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2023-09-29T13:21:02Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* Rest of the Robots */ Thanks</p>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== A Hand-Drawn Map of New Crobuzon - interior artwork by China Miéville ==<br />
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Hi Ron, I have a 12th printing of the 2011 edition of China's novel Perdido Street Station and I'm trying to sort out all the map references under different titles to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442912 his credited map here]. So I can make sure it's the same map, could you do me a favour and check for me:<br />
:China is definitely credited as the artist.<br />
:"New Crobuzon" appears as the title at bottom left.<br />
:4 points of the compass at top right.<br />
:Key (Skyrail, Railways, Woodland) at bottom right.<br />
:Scale (2 miles) at top left.<br />
If the map is the same as the one I have, I think several changes would be in order.<br />
:'Your' map pub date is 2013-10-00 - I think this should be a variant of the original map pub title/date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 - see here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19616 and here].<br />
:Further, a search on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crobuzon&type=All+Titles on Crobuzon] shows Hitspacebar (in his 2014 entry) to be the only one titling the map correctly according to the Help guidelines.<br />
:Accordingly and if you think it's correct, I propose changing the titles of all the maps to "New Corbuzon (map) (2000-03-00) by China Miéville (as by uncredited)" and varianting your 2013 title to that.<br />
I hope this all makes sense - the maps are a mess :) Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:18, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi BanjoKev<br />
:I also have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?311532 7th Del Rey printing]. The map in the World Fantasy Convention book is definitely a different map than that published in the Del Rey editions. It is credited to Miéville insofar as it is part of a collection of his drawings with a paragraph explaining when and why he drew them. While I don't believe it's mentioned in the help pages, there is a de facto standard of naming INTERIORART records by their caption when present, which is why the hand drawn map is named as it is. Thus, the 2013 map should not be re-titled or made a variant of the other maps.<br />
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::That's great! Could you add a note to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1713854 title record] so that this doesn't get messed up in future? --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I see you've done that already, thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:41, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:The map in the Del Rey edition matches your description with the exception that there is no artist credited. The map is not currently listed in the publication record of my copy. I agree with you that this map should be titled "New Crobuzon (map)" (correcting a small typo). Since you're working on this, I'll hold off on adding it to my publication until after you've determined the title and original date of the other maps. I do suspect that it occurs in all the Del Rey editions. You can go ahead and import the ultimate title record for the map to the 7th Del Rey edition. Alternatively, you can let me know once you're done merging that maps and I can do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:11, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::So, your different map is the only one credited to China - all the rest are uncredited. I'll sort all this out, including the 7th Del Rey and let you know when it's all done. Many thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've completed all the changes needed for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 all the maps], including your 7th Del Rey printing. The only loose end is the map & novel pagination in yours if you'd do the honours. Thanks for your help, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:52, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forest J. Ackerman credits ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest+J.+Ackerman&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Rtrace&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication verified Forest J Ackerman] pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} as opposed to {{A|Forrest J. Ackerman}}, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Both lacked the period after the middle initial and I've changed them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:09, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:40, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Moon Maiden ==<br />
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Dear sir:<br />
I am fond of Garrett P. Serviss. In fact, I have read all his works (but The Moon Maiden) and I am translating them into Spanish for first time (e.g. https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B09NRJTWT3).<br />
I have not managed to get a text of The Moon Maiden in any format and I have not been able to find Argosy 1915 not in paper nor scanned. I tried everything! <br />
Could you, please, somehow, hand me a scanned version (or pictured by phone or any mean) of the pages of Argosy May 1915 where it was first published? Nothing I can offer in exchange but gratitude and, if you wish, credit.<br />
Best regards.<br />
Rubene Guirauta (RubeneGuirauta@gmail.com){{unsigned|Lidenbrock}} <br />
:Hi Rubene<br />
:Unfortunately, I do not own a copy of that issue of Argosy. I think you may have gotten the impression that I do because of the secondary verifications that I have marked on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?277246 the publication record]. What I have verified is that Bleiler's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1280738 Science-Fiction: The Early Years]'', Clute and Nicholls ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102324 Encyclopedia of Science Fiction]'' and Tuck's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102393 The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy]'' all mention that issue of Argosy. Without rechecking each of those references, I suspect the issue is listed because of the Serviss story, the Franklin story, or both. As I'm sure you are aware, there is a later publication of the novel by Crawford/FPCI, but again, I don't possess a copy and have only verified its existence through secondary sources. I did also look for that issue of Argosy at [https://archive.org/ the Internet Archive], which does have scans of many pulps, but unfortunately not the one you're looking for. Good luck with your project, and I'm sorry I couldn't be more help. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:55, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Hi Ron<br />
::Thank you very much for your answer. I understand the role of verificator... but I had to make this attempt, there was a chance you could have it. It is really a challenge to find this issue of Argosy (or the edition of 1978 of The Moon Maiden). I have tried in Internet Archive, Hathi Trust, Library of Congress and others, and in second hand sellers (Abebooks, eBay, Facebook groups...) unsuccessfully. In case in future (this quest is going to last, I am afraid) you could get any information, copy, scan, picture or any clue, please let me know. Best regards. Rubene.<br />
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== Heroic Fantasy frontispiece artist ==<br />
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There's an unentered frontispiece in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16965 Heroic Fantasy] that has a signature that I don't know how to interpret. Do you? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:20, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is that an "R G K" which may indicate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?901 Roy G. Krenkel]? He did do some covers for DAW. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:37, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon image for Assassin's Price ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan from my copy for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657176 Assassin's Price] by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lovecraft's Notes ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20222766M/Some_notes_on_H.P._Lovecraft.; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281745; OL cover has the price on it; alternate? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I don't think it's an alternate. My copy has the price and I've replaced the image with a scan of my copy. Given the date of the previous upload, I was probably replacing an unstable Amazon image and may have just saved theirs and re-uploaded. I don't know what publication the image without a price represents. Chalker/Owings mentions two subsequent editions. There was a library edition published without imprint by people associated with the University of Wisconsin. However C/O states that it was bound in green cloth and issued without a jacket. There was also a 1982 edition from Necronomicon Press, but their publications are usually larger in size. In any case, the image is now correct. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:00, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Wizard of Maldoone ==<br />
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Ron, Any objection to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 to CHAPBOOK]? While approving the addition of the softcover, I looked at the scan in the internet archive. There is no way this is 40,000 words. I'm checking since you entered the hc edition and added the secondary verifications. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:30, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No objection at all. I've only verified from secondary sources. Reginald uses the terms "novel" or "story" for length and I believe has different thresholds for these terms than ours. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whispers, 1987 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289107; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/219866_3; I added FantLab ID to digest edition; Russell story says "Kolorized" on contents page, not "Kolarized", and Eisenstein story says "Weasling", not "Weaseling". 1 seems like contents may be right, the other one seems like a misspelling. So if you can check your HC copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It looks like [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] has already taken care of the correction and explained the contents error. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:07, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pearl Pumpkin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342293; Halloween, not Haloween, according to title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:31, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:08, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baxter - Raft ==<br />
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Hi Ron, just noticed your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664698 Raft]. My later printing pagination is x-245 - perhaps yours is a typo? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:57, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Not a typo. The last numbered page in my copy is 246. The last page has the author bio and is numbered. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:43, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Black Sorcerer ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you moderate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5568056 this submission] please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:59, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Done. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thank you Ron! That record solves a lot of problems. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:14, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Walter Wiggins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5567353; Isn't that a title page photo in the AbeBooks link I provided in the moderator note, with a Jr. on it? Also, I re-did the other edit of mine you rejected recently re: changing Charnal to Charnel with the page that says Charnel House on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:19, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:So it does. I've changed the author's name which allowed me to approve your original edit without losing data. Just keep in mind, that when you change the last reference to an author's name in a publication or title, the software deletes the old author record and creates a new one. Thus, any data on the old author record is lost. No need to inform me about the re-issued edit, it will come up in the queue be handled by whoever is working it at the time. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Honestly, you're the main handler of my edits these days; some mods have quit recently, at least for the time being, others just do a few of my edits now and then that you skip for one reason or another. Dirk used to do a lot of mine until recently (he used to do a lot in my early days but got mad at me and stopped doing them for awhile) when he got mad at somebody else on these boards and decided to take a break until 2024, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Acceptable_moderator_behavior.3F, and JLaTondre and Ahasuerus used to do a bunch when they had the time but they're so busy doing site stuff that it rarely happens anymore. So odds are you'll be the one to approve that specific edit and you'll know why I provided the zine link because you're the one who rejected it and asked for proof; someone else may be unclear why I'm adding something like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::As it turns out, I was the one who worked that edit. However, the title wasn't correct for what was in the scan. I've corrected it and it's fine now. If I'm the only one working the queue, then that's a problem. As I am going on vacation starting tomorrow, I will be approving few if any edits in the next 10 days. I do see other moderators approving edits other than their own in the recent approvals page. I'm not surprised that other moderators skip some of your edits. I do that myself when you've failed to notify primary verifiers, or not provided sufficient sources for your edit. I also skip them in cases where the research required to approve your edit is more than I have time for while I'm working the queue. In the past, I have held your submissions and left notes on your talk page, but this invariably results in arguments that you feel you don't need to notify or document. I'm tired of making the same arguments each time, so I choose to ignore these edits. I will still reject or hold edits that are destructive, or that introduce potentially incorrect data. I can't speak as to why others skip your edits, but this has been my experience. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:25, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I'm fully aware of why you skip certain of my edits, although in almost all cases whatever I did in those edits ends up being approved by others because it was correct; most of my edits end up being approved by you, anyway, so the ones you skip are in the minority. As I've said before, with the massive amount of edits I do (more than almost any other non-moderator in the history of this site, and that's in just 2 years or so) I don't expect every one of them to be approved; a few always fall by the wayside. In the case of the Charnel House thing, I see that you added those secondary verifications you mentioned which had the incorrect "Charnal", but the scan of the issue at hand has been available on Archive.org for many years, so really before adding those verifications less than a year ago you could easily have checked all info in the magazine itself and would have discovered this problem and fixed it yourself instead of me having to fix it like I've had to fix thousands of other things on this site (and I suspect there are many other Cemetery Dance mistakes on ISFDB since so many different people have worked on the 70+ issues). Re: Dirk, he used to do a lot of mine, didn't like the fact that I questioned some of his rejections, and decided to stop, but started again last year, then stopped completely because of his problems with other mods, including both of those I mentioned above and a few others, questioning him. Apparently he has a problem with being questioned. Other mods just don't have the time because the server move created such a big mess they spend most of their time bug-fixing. I'm sure there's a couple that have some personal grudge against me because I'm not an ass-kisser who bows and scrapes so they can get themselves self-moderator status and that's why they rarely approve anything of mine (although they still do occasionally, usually for edits that have some minor problem they can complain about) but honestly, who cares, 43,000 edits and counting. I'm an amateur just doing this to pass the time; I have no time for any of the personal issues so many on here seem to have. As I go through old board messages I can see that many of the angry people who still edit on this site behaved the same way LONG before I started here, so really none of this has anything to do with me. Also, if you ever feel upset about a few of my edits not being exactly done right, just remember how many countless edits either approved by you for others or entered by you personally I've had to fix. Do I complain about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. I should be a self-approver here and I expect you agree with that. I prefer to be nominated by a longtime heavy-duty contributor, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if you, plural, is available, ready and willing in the next ~20 hours. I write to a couple others too.<br />
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A couple hours ago, you approved this morning's creation of a parent Nancy Drew collection as by "unknown", noted "1st of 5 this collection". Recently I had deleted the other four, and several more, upon suddenly recognizing that it only creates more work to Make parent titles without attending first to the Juvenile tag, among other things. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:39, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Wind's Twelve Quarters and The Compass Rose ==<br />
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Hi Ron, is [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THWNDSTWLC0000.jpg this image] any use for your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523721 PV here]?<br />
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Same for this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THMNWHFLLD0000.jpg image] for yours [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567977 here]. Kev.<br />
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: Better yet, I can upload to your pubs "your-pub-specific" images which are exactly the same as the Amazon ones if that's ok with you. I'm trying to avoid linked images like the plague now, I did a test to find out the bad things that can happen with linked images. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:41, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I don't worry that much about Amazon images except for the ones known to be unstable. I do know with the SF Masterworks they've frequently had images that differ slightly from the printed copies, but not in this case. However, if you're more comfortable, I can link to your images. No need to duplicate them in the server. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:46, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Demons By Daylight ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/demonsbydaylight0000camp; Does this require a separate entry, having the $6.00 sticker you mention in your notes, or should I just add it to your PV? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:10, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No need for a separate publication record. None of the secondary sources ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983721 Chalker/Owings], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?971274 Jaffery], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?152881 Nielsen], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?709492 Joshi]) mention a change in price, though I'm sure that is what this is. My copy is one of the ones with the sticker. However, the addition of a sticker isn't really a new publication. I've gone ahead and added the link to the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Visions ==<br />
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You verified a {{P|792984|3rd printing}}. I'd like to verify the {{P|278195|4th}} but I have some updates to the contents which are likely the same in your printing:<br />
* artwork on page ii is same as on page 260. I would change the latter to the same title.<br />
* artwork on page 42 is not listed. We could call this "Robot Visions [12]"<br />
* page 82 should say 83<br />
I can update both printings if you're in agreement. Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:13, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:All these changes are fine, except for the repeated artwork on pages ii and 260. A single title record cannot occur twice in the same publication. Thus if you renamed the artwork on page 260 to "Robot Visions" and then tried to merge the two INTERIORART titles, it would create a problem. What we want to do instead is to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?954582 Robot Visions (8)] (changed brackets to parentheses for the wiki markup only) into a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?645229 Robot Visions]. Please feel fee to proceed with the changes. I can help with the variant if you're not familiar with how to do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the help. I found instructions on making variants and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 went ahead]. Hope I got that right. Once that lands I'll go ahead with the edits to both pubs. I could use a clue on creating the new art title "Robot Visions [12]." My guess is I just put that in when editing a publication, and a title entry is automatically created in the db? [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::By sheer coincidence, Robot Visions is next up on my pile and this thread came up on my watchlist. I have the VGSF [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227061 1st printing] if I can be of any assistance :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:34, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Does your book have the same interior art? If so you could add them to the contents, once we're done with the title changes. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Not the same. I'll use your pagination for clarity (mine is different).<br />
::::* Yours has 11 pages of interiorart, mine has 12.<br />
::::* My art in the stories agrees with your pages: ii, 3, 24, 51, 82, 123, 235, 245, 343, 359, 401.<br />
::::* Mine also has art in "Too Bad!" (a couple looking at a robot they're considering buying). It would be good if you would allow a gap for this in your numbering(?) system, so that this one can fit in nicely with the sequence when I add it.<br />
::::* The art for "The Bicentennial Man" is the same as at your ii.<br />
::::* My book pagination is correct at 383 pages and it's counted from the very first page inside the front cover. The first numbered page is page 7 and the Introduction starts on page 9. There are no pages with Roman numerals, as yours has.<br />
::::[edit] It might be a good idea to put a brief description of the art in the title records when the dust has settled, to aid identification and guard against publishers swapping the art around. Let me know if there's anything else. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Kev, [https://photos.app.goo.gl/CrMbkK7oU1AnS3GU7 here are photos] of all the art in {{P|278195|my book}} if you want to compare with yours. If you were comparing with what isfdb currently says, I'm sorry, I haven't fixed that yet. (I'll let you know.) I love your idea of describing the art in the notes. I mean, unless there's a way to put in actual pictures (Ron?) then notes are needed to make the entries useful so I will add some. My book does indeed have roman numerals, only on the TOC pages oddly enough. ymmv. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 14:59, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::I wouldn't suggest linking to scans of the artwork, which is under copyright. I do have a suggestion, though it is a bit more work. There are a few ways that INTERIORART can be named. Here we have named it after the title of the collection, with a numeric disambiguator added to all but the first title. However, we could name each INTERIORART with the title of the story where the artwork occurs (and for which it presumably illustrates). Thus, we would avoid having to name a missed record our of sequence (Robot Visions [12]), and it would also go some way to describe each title. This would make a description less necessary, but it can still be added if desired. I would recommend naming the artwork on page ii as "Robot Visions (frontispiece)" while still making it's repeat on page 260 a variant. The only drawbacks to this, are that it's a bunch of edits, and we would want to notify the active primary verifiers of all the editions. Actually, it looks that aside from us three, that would only include [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]. We should also probably break the variant relationship for the Portuguese title. That title appears to be for all the artwork for the book and not just the frontispiece. This should be checked with the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:12, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::Thanks for the suggestion Ron. I'm willing to tackle this. I was going to edit all the titles anyway so renaming them along the way doesn't seem like much more work. I think it's ok to start with the variant business you proposed above? As I said up there (but easily missed because I foolishly inserted it in the middle of the thread) I already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 a submission] in for that. And as I asked up there, to create a title one just adds it to a publication, and if it doesn't match an existing title a new entry is created? Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 19:45, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Sorry, I meant to answer that. But it sounds like you've got it. Just edit the publication and use the add title button. After you've added it to one publication, you can use the import tools to get it in the other publications. You'll need the Title Record # from either the newly added title (after it is approved), if you want to add an individual title, or you can import all the titles from the container that has the new one. The software is smart enough that it doesn't try to import titles that are already there, so you'll catch anything missing from the target record that is in the source record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:00, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
(unindent) Good idea putting the photos up for me to identify! It does take us a little further down the wormhole though.<br />
* We've each got all 12 artworks.<br />
* My versions of your p.37 (Too Bad!) & p.359 (Galley Slave) have been horizontally reversed - not that that matters to our titling, but it's a nice little observation to include in the ''Publication Notes'' if they're different from your description in the canonical title - for instance, in my publication notes I would add "The image for [........] has been reversed in this collection". This led me to consider how you would describe the art depiction in the ''Title Records''#. The only thing I could come up with to overcome the 'direction' would be something like, for p.37, "....Robot facing ''page-right''." and similarly for p.359. It's a bit more difficult with a couple of others... For the frontispiece (good one Ron) and p.260, the best indicator is the lighting on the robot's hand to ''page-left'': brighter than the other one. For p.235 something like "...top of head hinged up towards ''page-left''."<br />
* I like the titling method: "Robot Visions (frontispiece)", "Robot Visions (Introduction: The Robot Chronicles)" ...etc. This will cover all eventualities I think.<br />
*:Not precisely what I was suggesting. For the artwork on page 3, I would name it "Introduction: The Robot Chronicles"; "Robot Visions" for page 24, "Too Bad!" for page 42, etc. This is how these would be handled if this were a magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:24, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
I appreciate the work you're putting into this, I'm sure the end result will be rewarding :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: It's good practice doing different kinds of edits. I drafted [[User_talk:Fjh#The_Robot_Visions_McQuarrie_INTERIORART_Project_:.29|descriptions]] for each piece of art, if anyone wants to suggest improvements before I start submitting them. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 15:14, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I think you've done a pretty good job of meeting your goals there! Here are some suggestions for you:<br />
::* Too Bad! - "...glasses at left and man at right standing..." - i.e. lose the brackets.<br />
::* The Bicentennial Man - again, lose the brackets, plus:<br />
:::* Make this the canonical and the frontispiece the variant - if a publisher is going to drop one of them, it'd probably be the frontispiece - yes/no?.<br />
:::* "Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket."<br />
::* frontispiece - "Same illustration as for The Bicentennial Man. Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket." - the use of 'variant' could be misconstrued?<br />
:: The other nine descriptions are excellent, and I also like Ron's magazine-like title treatment. Hope this helps.<br />
:: Btw Ron, how much do we owe you for the rent? :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:16, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::No charge. My talk page is your talk page. I just appreciate you and [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] doing all this work. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for the suggestions Kev. Unfortunately by the time I saw them some edits had already landed. You can of course edit again. Sorry too for my long absence, but I am still working on this and eager to wrap it up. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 14:59, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::No problem, thanks for the update. Like you, I'm waiting for the edits to land :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:10, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Now that the dust has settled, may I make some suggestions, beginning with what I think might be a more elegant way of handling the frontispiece...<br />
:::::::* Change "Robot Visions" to either "The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)" or "The Bicentennial Man (as frontispiece)" - your p.ii<br />
:::::::* Make "The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)" a variant of "The Bicentennial Man" - your p.260<br />
:::::::* Change "Robot Visions [3]" to "Robot Visions" - your p.24<br />
::::::At present, all the McQuarrie titles carry a 1990-00-00 date, I'd like to change that to the 1st printing date {{P|203401|1990-04-00}}<br />
::::::Add image descriptions to the title pages for (your) pps ii, 24, 260.<br />
::::::Add the source of the cover art credit to your notes.<br />
::::::If you're in agreement, I'll make the changes. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:24, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::For the title of the artwork on my page ii, I would have named this "Robot Visions (frontispiece)". The naming of the artwork is dependent on where it is located, and in this instance it is nowhere near "The Bicentennial Man". It is the frontispiece of the book as a whole. That being said, I've no objection to the current variant relationship being reversed. I think what you're getting at here is that the artwork illustrates the story. If {{T|954582|The Bicentennial Man}} were the parent title, the fact that is re-used as the frontispiece to the book is a little more obvious. <br />
:::::::I agree that "Robot Visions [3]" should be simply "Robot Visions", provided that we use the "(frontispiece)" disambiguator to the artwork on page ii.<br />
:::::::I've no objections to adding descriptions or source of artist credits.<br />
:::::::While I actually agree with you about the dates, it's against ISFDB policy. The first printing has a {{T|645229|single title}} for all artwork in the book. Each of the individual artwork titles should carry the date of the first time they appeared in our records as individual titles. Right now, they should have the unknown date (0000-00-00). If the overall title in the first printing were replaced with the individual titles, then we could date them 1990-04-00. You could try contacting [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] through the email system (his preference for contact) to see if he is amenable to changing to the individual records. It looks like there is a scan of the book, so we wouldn't need him to provide us with the page numbers. Failing that, you could add them to the {{P|178053|Gollancz}} printing, and we could then use a 1990-09-00 date. I had argued previously that differences in disambiguators or title type (COVERART reprinted as INTERIORART) should carry the date of the original appearance. However, the consensus on that issue went the other way. Thus, we'll need to stick with the earliest appearance as individual titles. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:49, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Hello Ron, I borrowed a copy of the {{P|203401|1990-04-03 Roc hc}} and have started editing it. Also, I've just taken delivery of the {{P|178053|1990-09-13 Guild/Gollancz hc}} (yes, that's the date) - so all things will lead to the sunny uplands from here. I'm tracking all the things which need to be done and so, if you're in agreement, I can make all the necessary changes to {{P|792984|your pub}} (and {{P|278195|fjh's}} too, if he's agreeable). Once those four are in alignment, I'll go on to sort out all the other Robot Visions on the db. If I step off the lighted path, please let me know :) And thanks for all your good advice. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:15, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== plan/progress ===<br />
* done: {{T|954582|pg. 260 art}} is a variant of {{T|645229|pg. ii art}}. {{P|792984|3rd}} and {{P|278195|4th}} printing notes already say these are the same picture.<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art and fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|278195|4th printing}}<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* done: fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* done: add descriptive note to {{T|3146409|new art title}}.<br />
* rename and describe all other interior art:<br />
** [4] Robbie [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5587750 done]<br />
** [2] Introduction: The Robot Chronicles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608873 pending]<br />
** [5] Reason [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608874 pending]<br />
** [6] Runaround [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608876 pending]<br />
** [7] Feminine Intuition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608879 pending]<br />
** [8] The Bicentennial Man [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608893 pending]<br />
** [9] Lenny [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608897 pending]<br />
** [10] Galley Slave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608902 pending]<br />
** [11] Christmas Without Rodney [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608906 pending]<br />
* todo: investigate {{T|2374637|Portuguese title}}<br />
latest update [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 15:42, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258877; I added an Archive.org link in a pending edit to the second VGSF edition and cloned the 17th Roc printing for a 19th printing also on Archive.org, but "Too Bad!" was on p. 37, not p. 3. I fixed it in my edit but 17th has no PV (ChrisJ is only editor in the history) so if anyone has 17th they can fix that; editor also didn't enter Roman numeral (x) in page count so I added that in my edit, too. I'm sure 17th is the same as 19th and editor just made mistakes. 1st printing here has right number for "Too Bad!" but is missing the Roman numeral; PV, Viter, is long-gone so if anyone has that printing they can add the x if it's there, which I'm sure it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Early Asimov Book One ==<br />
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Thanks for moderating [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582810 my submission] to add the introduction to the contents.<br />
Unfortunately I did it wrong. A {{T|3145057|new title}} was created when I wanted to link to {{T|630321|this one}}.<br />
(I have both books in front of me and the contents are the same.)<br />
I don't suppose you have an undo function for that submission?<br />
If not then I think I need to:<br />
* "Remove Titles From This Pub" to get rid of what I just added<br />
* "Import Content" to add it back, as a link to the {{T|630321|existing title}}<br />
* delete the {{T|3145057|unwanted title}}, unless it magically evaporates when nothing links to it<br />
Appreciate your patience as I learn how to do things here. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:40, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No worries. This is actually easy to fix What you want to do is go to either title record and click on the Check for Duplicate Titles tool. This will bring up a list showing both titles. Check both boxes and then click the merge selected records button. There is another page where you would be able to see conflicts and decide what to do with them. In this case, there are none, so you can just click on Complete Merge. Once approved, both publications will have the same title. For your future information, what you wanted to do (i.e. what would have done this in a single edit) is to use the Import Content tool from the publication record. You would then use option 2 to import an individual title. Let me know if you run into any problems. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:23, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: done! that was easy, thanks [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:04, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Masque of Mañana ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584480; Does the ISBN-13 on back cover barcode count? Note says there's none in the second printing, just the ISBN-10 from the original edition. I just fixed the printing wording in the note to what it really says on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'd say no. All of the copyright page and the stated ISBNs above and below the barcode show the 10 digit ISBN. That's probably Don's note, and I suspect it was added because this would have shown up on the cleanup report. However, it's long since been marked as ignored, and removed from that report. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:34, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baby ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409130; I made an edit in 2021 for this, you just made an edit, the Archive.org copy is an uncorrected proof with a higher page count (someone actually wrote in page numbers with a pen), so is it acceptable here to add a link even if it's not exactly the same or should the link be moved to the title record? Because I've seen some other proofs for various books that could be added if it is acceptable. Also, the 1982 Dell PB has been on Archive.org even longer than the proof but was never entered so I just did that but the 1 copy I can see on Amazon has a totally white cover instead of totally black. Not sure what that means; I doubt they released alternate covers for such a relatively minor work but who knows. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:37, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I hadn't realized that the scan was of a proof, which we don't and shouldn't track in the database. I've removed the link and the data added as a result of that scan. I wouldn't add it to the title record. We generally don't track proofs here as they don't meet the definition of published. I did question the note about a publication month that was determined by examining a pre-publication scan. It seems wrong to me, insofar as anything in the proof is merely predictive and there is no way of knowing whether the schedule slipped between when the proof was issued and the book was eventually published. However, the note is likely sufficient to indicate that the publication month we have is unreliable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:31, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov & Silverberg - Nightfall ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you check the title of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24156 essay here]. Should yours be titled ''To the Reader (Nightfall)''? If so, I'm handling four other titles and can fix yours at the same time. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:29, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it is titled "To the Reader". Please go ahead and change it with the others. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Great, will do. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:24, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1000 Faces ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337145; It wasn't supposed to be a mod note, it was supposed to be a note explaining that the price was changed from what was there before when someone entered the wrong price. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Why would we want that in a publication note? After the price is changed, there is no context to show that the price was ever anything else than what is shown. We don't add publication notes stating that incorrect data was changed and I'm unaware that you've ever done so in the past. That note is totally appropriate for a moderator note, but not for a publication note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:OK, if you say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"? ==<br />
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Ron, could you check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178417 The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F] to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:48, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please proceed with the change. The tile with the dash (actually looks like an em dash), appears that way in the table of contents. The title page uses the colon. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Music ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285854; LCCN ID added, publisher was longer, checked FantLab and longer name's on title page so I made it so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please don't do that this way. As I know I've explained before, if you change the publisher on the only publication by that publisher, you effectively erase the existing record for that publisher, and all the data contained therein. It's better to update the publisher record directly (or if that's a moderator only function, ask on the moderator board that it be done). I'm going to reject this edit and I'll update the publisher record as to preserve the existing notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:37, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::So you're saying I should have added LCCN ID and then made another edit in the publisher record changing their name? Is that how it's supposed to be done? Also, I did some edits for 2 books by the same author (C. Pallen) from Manhattanville Press, the only 2 books on ISFDB from that publisher, 1 of which started with "The" and the other, published much later, which didn't, so I differed them; since there's no info on that publisher record it doesn't matter that I changed it from within the book record, right? Is that what you're saying? Also, if the Herald info had been lost it would have been a shame since I'm the one who added it in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Yes, when you change the publisher within a publication record, what you're really doing is removing the existing publisher, and adding a new one. If you remove the last publication to which the old publisher refers, the software will delete that publisher record. So yes, in this case you should have done it in two edits. For your other example, it's correct that it doesn't matter if the publisher being deleted has no additional data. If it had, what you would want to do is to merge the two publishers, which I'm fairly certain is a moderator only function. Even then, if both publisher records have conflicting data, that would have to be resolved during the merge. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:10, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sutro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346448; Transient, couple of titles differ from contents page but I assume you entered them as they appeared at story heads, but "Ships That Pass" says 73, not 23, in copy just added to Dalby's site; https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/collections/newest-shopify-test/products/sutro-miller-ghost-stories-sentinel-publications-1947-paperbacks. Was that an error in book or an entry error here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:53, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Unfortunately, I no longer have that copy. Thus the transient verification. I think it's likely that the page number is our typo, given the record numbers of the individual titles. Please feel free to change that if you'd like. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::http://www.philsp.com/resources/ISFAC/t155.htm#A2781; Fixed page number and another story's date which was actually published years earlier. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:38, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Introduction for The Wit and Wisdom of Discworld ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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you verified two variants of the book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301290 and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?421825). I think the title record for the introduction is very likely wrong. It should be "Introduction: Through the Wardrobe Into Discworld". At least for the ebook I'm sure the title should be as said via Amazon LookInside: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?463079. That would also remove the duplicate title with "&" and "and", as adding the book name would no longer be necessary. Also it would match the German translation title.<br />
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Can you please verify if that's true for your copy? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 09:57, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for pointing this out. I've corrected the titles. I also corrected the book title of the first printing and reversed the parent variant relationship. I'm pretty sure that Doubleday wouldn't have changed between printings, and I'm sure the "and" was introduced because of the cover title. I was also able to verify the Harper trade paperback as having an ampersand for the Amazon look inside version. Oddly, the Harper eBook, uses "and". I suspect some of the other "and" printing are incorrect, but can't find evidence to switch them. In any case, I left the variant of the translation of the introduction to you. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:02, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== J.W. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327628; I think co-editor is this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11081. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:35, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Futures Forestalled ... for Now: South African Science Fiction and Futurism ==<br />
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I was taking a look at {{P|935348|this publication}} based on [[ISFDB:Verification_requests#Futures_Forestalled_..._for_Now%3A_South_African_Science_Fiction_and_Futurism|this discussion]]. As far as I can tell, this is an essay (and not a publication) that appeared in the non-genre magazine [https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/rcwr20/34/1 Current Writing]. I wanted to check with you as the processing moderator to see if you saw something I missed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:51, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the submission, I probably thought I was skipping it rather than approving it. I never intentionally approve submissions with a image link from a site for which we don't have permissions. I do give deference when the submitter is working from their own copy, but the image warning would have made me think this one should not be approved without contacting the submitter. The verifier was active recently. It may be worth reaching out to them to see what they thought they were adding. It looks like this may need to be converted to an essay in a non-genre magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Archer (I) adaptations of Oz novels ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. Recently I recognized that your Peter Archer A{{a|359605}} is distinct from others, so I revised your verified record of ''The Road to Oz'' picture book adaptation, in its 3rd printing of 2009 edition P{{p|366091}}, to distinguish the adapter as Peter Archer (I). A second edit/self-approve was necessary for the chapbook title --you probably know; I didn't.<br />
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Pursuing Peter Archer (I), I learned that that is a joint pseudonym. More descriptive disambiguators and fewer roman numerals are used here recently (CoViD era, i have noticed since returning). Perhaps "Peter Archer (pseudonym)" would be a better choice.<br />
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Byron and {{a|Kathryn Jackson}} are new to the database. (Husband and wife seem likely but I didn't find it stated.) From library records I learned that they adapted at least three Oz novels for Little Golden Books in the early 1950s. Last hour I added the other two as 1952 chapbooks. Library of Congress reports no other Peter Archer adaptations of Oz. WorldCat does not enable any such negative conclusions, as far as I know. <br />
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The number of submissions was greater than should have been. If I understand correctly, best practice is to set all toggles {Non-Genre ; Juvenile ; Novelization ; Graphic Format} and set Length if known --all for the child SHORTFICTION created as content of the new CHAPBOOK. Only then, make that one a variant. Then put parent SHORTFICTION in a series, or add title Note or Synopsis, if appropriate. Right?<br />
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How many of the 4 toggles and Length should be set for the CHAPBOOKs? Here I made the child CHAPBOOK juvenile. Then make CHAPBOOK a variant. New parent CHAPBOOK gets a Note occasionally; no Synopsis or series.<br />
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Your verified ''Road to Oz'' contains CHAPBOOK "The Road to Oz (abridged)" and SHORTFICTION "The Road to Oz". I did not name any of the four 1952 CHAPBOOKs and SHORTFICTION "(abridged)". What do you think nowadays?<br />
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Take a look at all these Peter Archer (I) records if and when you have a chance. For the next 10 days I will be away from home, and maybe away from ISFDB. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have a larger concern about these records. My understanding is that an adapter should not be listed with an author credit, but should be reflected in the notes only. It appears these records were changed after I verified the copy. I'm going to start a new Rules and Standards discussion to ensure my understanding is correct. Regarding your question about the flags being used on CHAPBOOK titles. Non-Genre seems appropriate for chapbooks, as it would place the title record at the bottom of the author's bibliography. The other flags, to my mind appear to apply specifically to the SHORTFICTION, and not to the container (CHAPBOOK). That's just my opinion, and you could pose that question on one of the community boards to get wider input. I did add the disambiguator (abridged) to the SHORTFICTION title. This especially makes sense if the adapter is not listed as an author. It's partially to prevent the software from presenting it as a duplicate of the novel. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:33, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I have been away for most of this fortnight. Now I have redd that new discussion [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements Adaptations and Abridgements (at Rules and Standards)].<br />
:: For my information, does the 2015 publication update by Mhhutchins [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2706045] show up on your report "My Changed Primary Verifications [New!]" or is the report limited in scope to "recent" updates?<br />
:::No it does not. The oldest update listed is from October 2016. This may have been when that report or the underlying data supporting it was added.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:06, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree that the story title should be disambiguated, such as "(abridged)" or "(adapted)". I guess I would call this one an adaptation but I haven't seen it. With DougH, I would prefer to see those or similar parenthetical notations used when titles do not match. <br />
:: I'll take your suggestion concerning CHAPBOOK titles as Juvenile, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:06, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rohmer's Bast Pyramid Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289865; Philsp.com page for this book says J. Lombardero did the cover and I see a little JL on the lower right. I assume if his name was in the book you would have entered it so how should it be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:21, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well your eyes are better than mine. I can't find the initials even with a magnifying glass. Since the artist is not credited in the book, you should add it as the canonical name, i.e. {{A|Joseph Lombardero}}. When you not the source, I'd go with "The Page of Fu Manchu". Galactic Central (philsp.com) hosts a large number of indexes and bibliographies, so giving the domain name doesn't really give enough information to identify the source. Especially, as in this case, when they are only hosting the site, rather than creating it. Good find. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:51, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK, I made an edit, but this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27160, reveals that the other 5 Pyramid covers done by Lombardero for Rohmer have all been entered, but as J. It's a mess, with 1 PV mentioning the artist is credited on the back cover (as J.), 1 non-PV mentioning the same thing, some not mentioning anything, etc. Only 1 has an active PV (I think), MLB, and he doesn't complain much about change these days, so if you or some other Rohmer fan wanted to look at this further I'm sure you could probably improve things. I assume your back cover doesn't say anything; if it does it would probably say J., which means my edit entering Joseph will need to be cancelled. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::As I mentioned above, there is no credit on the book, which includes the back cover. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:43, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== My Favorites in Suspense ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597540; I believe the other Archive.org copy, which you worked on, is a book club edition. It has the same incomplete copyright page as the one here, https://www.ebay.com/itm/185721019229; publisher should be Random House / BCE, I think. There's also the question of where external ID's really belong since neither copy is the original edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well, no. {{P|570083|this}} publication record is clearly for the trade edition. The link to the scan was added to the record. The record was not created from that scan. I guess that may be a scan of a book club edition, but there's not really enough evidence to say definitively. It's possible that the copyright page of the trade edition would include a printing or edition statement, or the LCCN. However, there are many examples of trade books that do not. If we were certain that the scan was for a book club edition, it should be removed from this record, but I'm not certain. Feel free to clone that record to create a record for the book club edition, if you'd like. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:32, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Well, OK. At least there'll be another edition here soon once mine is approved. I see there's this, too, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334763510639, a third printing, so I don't know how many times they printed this thing, but I also found this, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334768776674, a first printing, so that's likely the original non-book club edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::And thus you've proven that the title page differs for the first edition. I've removed the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:01, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== PKD - Dr. Bloodmoney ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm about to add a 2003 3rd printing of your {{P|289298|2004 4th printing}} and I notice that your novel title is the long version. Is that correct, or should it be just "Dr. Bloodmoney"?<br />
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edit... and what about this {{P|115221|1st printing}} while we're at it? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:03, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've changed the record for my copy. You should contact [[User talk:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] about the first printing. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks Ron, I've alerted Pete to this. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Necronomicon's Reanimator ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309542; I corrected a minor mistake (On/One) but noticed that every cover I can see online says $3.95 on the lower right corner, not $3.50. SFE has a clear cover showing the price. Wrong verification or higher-priced reprint? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:{{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the price as $3.50. They also note, as does {{Reginald3}} that it was reprinted in 1985 with C/O stating that there were additional reprints after. I would assume that the covers you are seeing are from later printings. Reginald also has a variation in title between the 1977 and the 1985 editions, and I'm still researching that. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:58, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I see price is $3.95 now; what changed? Also, you probably know already but there's this, too: https://fantlab.ru/edition249786. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:38, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Well, after seeing that the cover included the date, and that it was listed on several sale listings described as the first edition from 1977, I determined that Chalker/Owings were probably in error about the price. Fantlab is for a different printing than the two I working with. Feel free to add it if you'd like. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:47, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Guinever's Gift ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5598537; I made some changes in case that affects your verifications since this isn't the regular edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please don't make edits converting the publication record of the trade edition of a book into the book club edition. The record you were trying to change is clearly for the trade edition. It includes the ISBN. The linked Worldcat record has the ISBN and notes first edition. The publisher name nor the notes indicate that it is a book club edition. The only piece of data that is incorrect is the link to the scan (which I've now removed). As that link was obtained from a [https://www.worldcat.org/title/606129407 Worldcat record] which also indicates that it is a first edition, and upon your further research it is incorrect. The problem with the edit you attempted is that it effectively deletes the trad edition and replaces it with a book club edition. It also would create a record with incorrect external ids as they all refer to the trade edition. I'm going to reject your edit for these reasons. If you wish to add the book club edition, please submit a new edit cloning the existing record, which is a better approach as it doesn't delete the trade edition. Also, if you see a publication record with an incorrect scan, feel free to submit an edit removing that link with an explanation that it belongs to a different edition. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I added LCCN, cover artist (only photo of full back flap I could find anywhere and even then it's barely legible) and cover image to trade edition; however, I can't find price anywhere since almost every auction online is for the book club, so maybe you or someone can find it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:41, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Carnival Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8771; I added LCCN and also month/day to reg. title and cover art only to see Wiki says October, not May 10. Did you write the note about where the exact date came from? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:36, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I did not, but it is in the LOC Catalog of Copyright Entries on page 192 [https://archive.org/details/catalogofcopyrig311libr/page/n207/mode/2up here]. That note appears to have been added by [[User talk:PatConolly|PatConolly]] on 2019-09-15. My only complaint about your edit is that LCCN numbers of that vintage generally have a dash instead of 0s. I don't know precisely when LOC stopped using the dashes, but is was at the end of the 20th century. Since the LCCN does not appear in the the book, it's a minor quibble. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:53, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I enter LCCN as they appear on the LoC site; as long as clicking the ID link leads to the right page on their site it seems OK to me. If pre-2000 LCCN should have had dashes then somebody should have said something before countless moderators approved the hundreds/thousands of LCCN I've entered in the last 2+ years. I think I'll ask on Community if anyone can whip up something that can automatically change all LCCN entered here with 00 to -; unlikely but you never know. In this case I'll cancel my edit and enter it with the dash since this is a seminal work that should have info entered exactly right. Re: the date, it seems more right to me that a horror collection would be released in the month of Halloween, but then most of what Arkham House released was horror so it could very well have been released earlier like other books of theirs that year; just to be safe I'll remove the month changes and just do the LCCN. If anyone can say for sure what the exact date is then those can be changed later. EDIT: I added LCCN with the dash and the FantLab ID which I've somehow never entered and noticed something: there are several cover photos on their site and it's signed G. Barrows + front flap says George Barrows, yet George Burrows is entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The artist name should be changed. However, it would be best to change at the author level. I'll check with the other verifiers to ensure it's ok to change all instances. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MoM ==<br />
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Re: your rejection, it was discussed with him/her on their board under the title "A Month of Mystery". Usually we wait until they reply before rejecting (which rarely happens because they usually agree with the changes(s) I made). I'm not clear on what you mean about deleting the trade edition, the one that I entered recently. PV edition is book club (fewer pages; https://www.ebay.com/itm/266154678368) and needs BCE in publisher to differ it from the trade edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:15, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The policy is that you should seek (and receive) agreement before you submit the edit. I know that's how I've explained it to you in the past. The current record is for a trade edition of the book that has been verified by two editors. If your edit had been approved, there would no longer be a record for the first printing of the trade edition. There would only be a record for a book club edition and the second printing of the trade edition. Even if [[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] agreed that their copy is a book club edition, there would still be a verification for the trade edition that can't be questioned as the editor is no longer active. What you should have done, is to clone this publication record to make a record for the book club edition. Then if Swfritter has the BCE, they should move their verification to the new record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:51, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I see. OK. I think I'll give up on this particular area of editing; way too many books were PV that have wrong info entered, in many cases this same issue of people not knowing or caring exactly what edition of the book they had, and my trying to fix them is more trouble than it's worth. There's endless other things to be done here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:20, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stained-Glass World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; You're the last person in the edit history so I'm letting you know that when I was adding an Archive.org link I noticed that even though it says July in book and in note here someone entered the month as April. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:06, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well, since my edit added only Worldcat and Reginald numbers and neither source gives more than the year, I have no special insight as to what the date should be. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:41, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Disciple ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246597; I made the 1 missing story that I added to this collection a variant of author's parent name but what's the procedure to get rid of the 6 variant titles in the contents? Should I correct the titles under the alternate name as I did for the name used in the book? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:51, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'm not sure I completely understand what you are asking. Are you saying that there are title records in this book that are incorrect? If so, what you depends on whether they occur in any other publications. If not, then you can correct the title record. If the title is in another publication, then you should add a new title to this publication record, and make it a variant to the canonical title. You would then need to remove the incorrect title record from this publication. If you are asking about something else, please explain further. Links to the titles you think are incorrect and what you think needs updating would be helpful. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:04, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I'm asking about the 6 stories in the link that say "variant"; as you know since you approved it, I corrected several incorrect titles but those titles are still incorrect under the alternate name. So how do I get both names to display the same correct title? Do I have to retitle them individually, merge, or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:14, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All of the contained titles in that work are variants. However, when a variant differs in title from its parent, it is displayed with both titles. If you updated the canonical title, it would have no effect on the variant title. This makes sense as one of the purposes of variant titles is to show variations in title. Then my answer above is what you want and how you'd proceed depends on whether the variant title appears in other publications or not. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:34, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hyde & Wintz - Précieuses reliques ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you process [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601198 my submission] for this title that I asked in the Moderator note to not process. Marty has given me great advice which I will take post approval. I'll fix the titling, "nom" -> "Nom" and anything else I can find. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:07, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Sure. Done. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:16, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Smooth running :) Thanks. Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:26, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Resurrectionist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601382; Isn't the procedure to unmerge when the artist name is different as I explained in my note, HefferMan vs. HefferNan? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's easier to remove the incorrect COVERART title from the publication that is in error. Then add a new COVERART title to the same pub. These can be done in either order, but best to explain in the notes to the moderator what is intended for subsequent edits. Of course you'll also have to build the variant relationship once the new title is created. The issue with unmerging, is that until you update the author credit on the unmerged title, it will appear as a potential duplicate both in the cleanup reports and if anyone checks for duplicates. Given that approvals are running two days behind from submissions, that creates a window where the titles could get re-merged. I will note that you could have expanded a bit in your note to the moderator. Maybe specifically stating that the author credit is different rather than listing the two names and expecting the moderator to recognize they differ. Your note left me wondering if you wanted to make a variant between the paperback and hardcover editions because of differences in trim. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Same or different authors / artists? ==<br />
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Hello, Ron! We have both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273536 Tania Ianovskaia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?225848 Tatiana Ianovskaia], both did interior art related to Lewis Carroll's work, which brings up the question if they are related, or even maybe one and the same person. They both pop up in publications verified by you, for example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?668434 here] (Tania). Would it be possible for you to take a look into the identities? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:26, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Christian<br />
:The credits are as they appear in each book. ''The Annotated Alice'' has short biographies of the artists and mentions that Tatiana illustrated some Carroll books that were published by "Tania Press". There's also [https://www.lewiscarroll.org/2008/07/17/tanias-alice/ this post] from the Lewis Carroll Society of North America that uses both "Tania" in the header, and "Tatiana" in the body of the post. I think this is enough evidence that they are the same person, and I'm going to make the variant relationship. Despite the number of titles that we have, I'm going to make Tatiana canonical. From what I'm seeing, that appear to be how she is most often credited in books which we don't seem to have in the database, but could. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Tanya/Tania is also a very common diminutive for Tatiana in Russian (it is also a name on its own of course). Which also adds to the evidence. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:04, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Minotaur Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello Ron. Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284345 this] pblication. Cound you ell me if your copy is a limited edition (of 500) signed by Charles de Lint, George Barr, Robert Collins and Mathew Hargreaves. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:21, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:It is. I'm guessing that you are asking because you want to verify the publication? If so, feel free to add notes about the limitation, or I can do that if you'd prefer. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I will indeed be verifying it once the copy I ordered arrives from the US. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:23, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Coming Attractions in F&SF July-Aug 2015 ==<br />
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Hi, you're one of 2 PVs of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?526483 this magazine issue]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1883751 Coming Attractions] seems to have a couple of minor (*) issues:<br />
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* It's categorized as a COLLECTION, should be an ESSAY I think?<br />
* The "July-June" in the title seems a bit odd, looking at the similar entry in other issues, I'm guessing it should be "July-August"?<br />
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(* - minor, but the unexpected type is enough to break some program code I'm working on that is using the short fiction data...)<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:48, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aldiss - Cryptozoic! ==<br />
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Hi Ron, re this {{P|633905|1st printing}}, am I right in thinking we record the "official" pub date, not when it becomes available? Gollancz.co.uk and Amazon date is 2017-11-02. What do you think?<br />
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Even worse, [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL26792277M/Cryptozoic Open Library] has 2017-03-19. Kev.<br />
:My recollection is that there have been several discussions regarding publication dates over the years. I did find a [[Rules and standards discussions/Archive/Archive20#Proposed Date help text revision|recent update discussion]] that points to [[Template:PublicationFields:Date|this template]] (see Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality). Looking at the edit history, it appears that [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] changed the date and added that note. You may want to reach out to him to find out what his thought process was. I've no objection if the date changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:28, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for taking the time to root out those links for me and I've left a note on his page. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:29, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::: As a Transient verifier I'll defer to the PVs. No problem here if the date is amended. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:11, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks both of you for your help. I've submitted an edit to change the date and expand the notes. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:01, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:44, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Necropolis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1482; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/138662_6; While adding LCCN and FantLab ID to Arkham House first printing, which you PV, I noticed 1 of the FantLab photos says second printing on copyright page. Second isn't verified here so I don't know if seeing an actual photo would help to add anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:20, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I don't read Russian, is the Fantlab record for the first or second printing? Since they are showing pictures of the reprint and show no data that is inconsistent with the reprint, I would assume it's for the second printing. In that case the Fantlab id should be added to that record and not that of the first printing. If that record is for the first printing, then showing only photographs of the second printing is misleading. Please cancel your submission and add only the LCCN to the first printing. You can add the Fantlab ID can be added to the record for the second printing with any additional data that you can find from that record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:46, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Right-click, "Translate to English". Also, I'll cancel and just add LCCN; there's already a link to an Archive.org copy of the first printing, so if anyone ever has the second printing and PV it that'll be better than relying on FantLab's usual jumble of random photos without any context. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thieves' World Printing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?299652; What's the number line in your copy which you said is 2nd printing? Because there's one of those OL-only non-preview copies which has 2 4 6 8 0 9 7 5 3; I think that means 3rd printing, which is not on ISFDB. There are many other Asprin books which are also OL-only. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That number line, which matches the one in my copy, is for a second printing. You'll note that the lowest number in the line is "2". Sometimes publishers put the odd numbers on one side with the even numbers on the other. My understanding is that number lines were created so that the plates for a printing could be used for a subsequent printing by scraping off the prior printing number. When a number line is done in the manner of this one, it keeps the line roughly centered on the page as each number is scraped off. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, so I'll add the link to your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete ==<br />
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Hi Ron, with reference to your approvals [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604143 5604143] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604180 5604180], could you delete the related, old images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSTRSMDSF0000.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSTRSMDST2010.jpg here] for me, to prevent them being reverted. The old ones do not have the Haldeman quote. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:53, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:40, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov G&S ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?741539; Copy uploaded on Archive.org in 2014, your PV in 2019, I want to add a link but the front flap price, $50.00, and the back flap month, 0388, are visible along with artist's signature on back cover (good for notes), so I want to enter those, too. Is your copy coverless, which would explain why you didn't enter those bits of info? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My copy does have a jacket. However, the price is inked out. I suspect that it was originally given as a gift as there is an inscription on the flyleaf. I'm less sure about dating by the jacket date and have started a [[Rules and standards discussions#Dates on Dust Jackets|Rules and Standards discussion]] to see how we want to treat these dates. However, I was able to get a full publication date from the LOC copyright record, so the jacket date is moot in this case. I generally don't note the source of the artist credit when it is somewhere in the book. If we were to do this for every piece of data in the record, it would soon get unwieldy. I might have done so if the artist was identified by signature alone, since that can be a matter of interpretation. I did add a note about the copyright office, because that source is unexpected. As I approve my own edits, I don't need to let the moderator know where the data came from. It's still a good idea to add such sources in the moderator notes. Thanks for finding the scan. I've also added that to the record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:37, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Run ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606436; The 1999 date was wrong, as should have been obvious juding by the awards which were for books published in 2000, but apparently someone entered the date long ago from somewhere and never bothered changing it; the HC is 2000, PB is 2001. When I entered the new PB edition the merged title date still said 1999 because my edit changing it to the correct date of 2000 hadn't been approved yet. That's why, so this should be un-rejected so the correct title date is shown. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My mistake for thinking you were adding a 1999 publication. I'm still not used to the title data appearing on the publication update approval page, which was a recent change. As it was, I had originally skipped the title update as there was no explanation in the moderator notes as to why you were making the change. Even here, I'm not sure that dating based on award years is dispositive. However, I've checked Worldcat and the earliest publication they have is from 2000, so I'll go ahead and approve this one. You frequently add moderator notes, but not always. You may want to add them to more edits, especially, as in this case, when the reasons for your edit are unclear. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:51, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dance of Demons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8641; I've been trying to standardize New Infinities books, as I said on Community Portal, and you are the only active PV of the 5 Gord books, but while the other cover images are the same as the covers of the Archive.org copies the image for Dance of Demons has the same ID on the upper left that I mentioned re: Sea of Death on CP while the Archive.org copy, https://archive.org/search?query=dance-of-demons, doesn't, and also it has New Infinities and BSM logo while image doesn't. So it seems there are other editions out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I no longer have access to the book as evidenced by the fact that the verification is transient. I don't recall whether that scan was from my physical copy or not. Please feel free to upload a new cover from the Internet Archive scan. Let me know when you've done so and I can delete the old scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:57, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Can't do that as it's dark, was photographed badly with lens flare, and has a price sticker on it. There's several copies on eBay. I'm just trying to fix the various publisher names and get them all down to 2, with Ace and without; I get the feeling after I'm done with that some new editions with those ID's on the cover will be added and then cover images can be taken care of for everything. The one New Infinities cover by Gygax that I tried to replace ISFDB's cover with gave me a warning because it's a "nicholls" which is not one of the approved subdirectories on SFE, even though it probably should be because Peter Nicholls passed away a few years ago. Maybe somebody here with some pull can convince them to grant access to more of their images. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:11, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The One Tree ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159731<br />
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Mine says:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>"First Hardcover Edition: April 1982"</li><br />
<li>"First International Edition: April 1982"</li><br />
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Thus seems to indicate a publication date of April 1982 instead of 1983 for del rey's pb edition. I also spot some layout differences on the cover, so maybe this is a different edition?<br />
--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 16:47, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Spacecow<br />
:You have a different edition. Mine has "First Edition: April 1982" over "Paperback format:" over "First Edition: April 1983". There is no mention of an international edition, nor is the first edition specified as hardcover, though you could assume so as the paperback edition is specified. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:53, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for fast reply. I'll create a new publication. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:54, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cadigan - Synners ==<br />
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Hello Ron, can I suggest the pagination for the {{P|390622|1st printing}} should be xiii+475. Gaiman's introduction finishes on the last numbered page xiii before the novel. And pages 476-477 are acknowledgements and unnumbered. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:28, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I completely agree with your proposed change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::And submitted :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:51, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Topper ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269056; SFE just added a cover image and it is clearly signed "C V Farrow" on lower right corner but ISFDB image doesn't have a signature. Is there a signature on your copy or a credit for Farrow in your copy (maybe it's coverless)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My copy lacks a dustjacket. I don't recall where I got that cover scan from. Please feel free to add the cover artist and upload a new scan if you can find a better one. The SFE one has some condition issues. [https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/4954/thorne-smith/topper-an-improbable-adventure Facsimile Dust Jackets] has it, but that would need to be cropped. Good find. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:07, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Purcell Papers ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=purcell+papers+arkham&sort=-addeddate; Another copy was just upped on Archive.org, sticker with $8.95 price on flap, new edition or just add link to old one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I don't think this necessitates a new publication record. I added a note about the price increases from Jaffery. My recollection was that I purchased this one directly from Arkham House. However, my copy has no sticker. Personally, I wouldn't add a second scan since we already have one. However, if you feel it's important, you can go ahead and do so. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:16, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I added a link to the new copy because the old one is an ex-library with sticker on front cover, library stamp on copyright page and card jacket inside the cover, etc. Also, the new copy's cover is better then the one on ISFDB in my opinion, with sharper color and more art visible on left and right and bottom (you can see the artist's signature), any objection to my uploading the new cover and replacing the one here? I also noticed there's some kind of slip inside the front flap in the new copy and someone wrote something next to the back flap that looks like 10.00, probably meaningless but noted anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, you can go ahead and upload that cover. That slip looks like a bookplate. Neither that, nor the handwritten note you mention need be mentioned. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:24, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::OK, uploading the cover, ignoring the rest. Just a note that I also have a pending edit adding an Archive.org link to an ex-Canadian library copy of C. Jacobi's AH collection Portraits in Moonlight, but there's no cover so not really helpful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Slipstream Journal ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I suspect there is a good reason why you added the series number to the notes {{P|394841|here}} and not elsewhere. What's wrong with doing it as these submissions? Please reject them if they are wrong... [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621013 #1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621014 #2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621012 #3], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621011 #4]. Thanks, kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:05, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev<br />
:The reason I moved the issue number to the notes was because I was removing it from the title field so that it would conform to the standards. See [[Template:PublicationFields:Title|this help template]] 3rd and last bullets. As I didn't want to lose the issue number data, I moved it to the notes. The last time this standard was discussed, I recall that it was proposed that a new field be added for the issue numbers (volume and issue or whole number). However I don't recall if there was decision to move forward with proposal. Regardless, a [[Template:PublicationFields:Title|publication series]] should not be used for magazines or fanzines. Magazines/Fanzines are handled differently from other types of publications. For example, the rules for the title field and the fact that all issues from a given year with a given editor share a singe title record. The series for Magazines/Fanzines is handled with a title series. I'll go ahead and reject those edits. Let me know if something is unclear or if you have further questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:48, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Holdstock - Mythago Wood ==<br />
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Hi Ron, does your {{P|604046|1st printing}} contain an excerpt? If it does, I can enter it as:<br />
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:299 * Avilion (excerpt) * (2014-11-27) * short fiction by Robert Holdstock<br />
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Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:27, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:It does. Thanks for finding that and you can go ahead and add it. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's good, will do :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:06, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done. I also replaced the Amazon image while I was there - if you could just check that's ok. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:34, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roadmarks pub date ==<br />
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Hi Ron, your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 verified pub] has a pub date of 2022-00-00, although several online sources ([http://zenoagency.com/news/roger-zelaznys-roadmarks-out-today-in-the-uk e.g.]) cite 2023-01-19. Can you check? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 04:57, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The copyright pages states "This edition first published in Great Britain in 2022 by Gollancz..." I would have thought that the 2023-01-19 was a street date. However, I received my copy on January 6, in the US. I checked my emails and the bookseller indicated that it was shipped on December 29. There is also an earlier email from December 25 stating that the publisher had released the book and it was on its way to the bookseller's warehouse. So it does look like while published late in the year, it was published in 2022. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:30, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Finney - The Body Snatchers ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as I'm editing a later printing of this {{P|328224|1st printing}}, I see that both Amazon and orionbooks.co.uk are listing the pub date as 2010-10-14. Would you agree to my amending the date to that. If that's ok, I'll submit. I'd also amend the Intro title date. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:07, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's fine with me. Please amend the note to state that both the month and day are not stated in the book. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. Just check you're happy with the notes wording :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:47, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sterling & Gibson - The Difference Engine ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm editing my 9th printing of {{P|337727|this one}}. In mine the novel ends on page 383, not 384 (and there's the {{P|435107|3rd printing}} as well).<br />
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Also, there are seemingly two versions of this cover. Mine has Gibson above Sterling, the reverse of Amazon's. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:16, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::...and I've done the 3rd printing. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:23, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boulevard Assassin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7270; Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin is titled The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin in the anthology, Resurrected Holmes, where it first appeared but the title in Claremont is actually The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin. Both editions of Resurrected Holmes are on ISFDB but only 1 story was entered in the HC and none in the TP. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:59, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected the title. Feel free to import any missing titles to the anthology records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:53, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You didn't correct the title correctly. Per my note above, title in Lupoff's collection is "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin", original title in Kaye's anthology is "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin". You added "The" but not "s" in "Adventures". So, when you've done that, feel free to enter the title in both editions of the anthology and variant the collection's title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well presumably you have a source for the contents of the anthologies, which I do not. Your source would also perhaps have the page number on which the story occurs. Perhaps you even still have the publication records open in a tab since you presumably looked at them to determine the story was missing. I see no reason to redo research that you've already done. If you don't want to take the effort to add the contents to those anthologies, I wonder why you researched them in the first place. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Regardless of whether you feel like entering the original title of Lupoff's story in the 2 anthology records, which I would think would be necessary since the later title in Lupoff's collection with the extra "s" would need to be made a variant of it, the title was entered incorrectly in the collection when it was first added here long ago and you didn't replace it with the correct title earlier today even though I said above what the correct title is. I have a pending edit adding the Archive.org link to the collection but I didn't fix the title myself because, as you've complained about many times, any changes that aren't minor, which this is not, need to be asked about first. There are 2 PV of the collection, you and some dude named Dmatlock who hasn't been here since 2010, so you are the only active PV. It clearly states in the collection where the story originally came from, so why it wasn't imported to the anthology back whenever you or somebody else entered it is a mystery. Lupoff isn't some obscure author so I would think you would want this done right. You seem to be one of the main PV of the old-time pulp stuff judging by all your verifications of Arkham House books and suchlike, so these Holmes pastiches should be right up your alley; they're not up mine. Perhaps most of the contents are non-genre but Lupoff should still be entered, being above the threshold. You obviously have a copy of the collection since you PV it, but if you really need me to point you to the anthology, here it is: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL9324870M/The_Resurrected_Holmes; they even list the contents in the OL record itself where it can be clearly seen that there's no "s" in the title and they actually list all the page numbers so you don't have to waste time actually opening the book's link. If you can't be bothered with any of this it's no big deal; I have 450 pending edits waiting to be approved. Speaking of which, I can understand why my Moonchasers edits are on hold since Feb. 18 because a TP copy still needs to be found to determine the correct title, but did any of you ever decide per your recent discussion on one of these boards what's to be done about the whole Argo/McElderry/Atheneum publisher/pub. series thing? Because I have 3 of those on hold since Feb. 23. If not, let me know and I'll just cancel all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Sorry, but demanding that another editor submit edits on your behalf, for which you've done the research and only share incomplete information seems particularly petulant. Your held edits are discussed [[User talk:Username#Title Change of One of Multiple Publications with the Same Title|here]] where you've failed to respond, and [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Atheneum publisher.|here]]. There is no consensus yet. You're welcome to join in that discussion. Regarding the numerous other edits of yours that are aging, the ones I've skipped generally fall into two categories. Either they are inadequately sourced, or active verifiers have not been notified. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Maybe I'm not understanding all of this correctly, but you, the PV of a collection where one of the story titles was entered wrong here, being neither the same as the title as it originally appeared in Kaye's anthology or as it actually appears in the collection (and neither the editor who entered the contents or you or anybody in the intervening years seemed to notice it was wrong), and was never made a variant of the parent title because for some reason nobody ever entered the story in the contents of the anthology, had it brought to your attention by me, as I've done with hundreds/thousands of other wrong things entered here by the many editors who came before me, that it was wrong and, instead of saying thanks and fixing the title, and possibly actually entering the story in both editions of the anthology that are on ISFDB so you could make the collection's title a variant of it, decided to argue about this. If you had not bothered to enter the original title in the anthology and just fixed the title in your PV that would have been acceptable but you didn't do that and entered it wrong even though I wrote how it appears and you should know anyway because you actually own the book. The least you could have done if you have some kind of problem with doing anything in books you didn't PV is add a note in the story's record saying "first published in Resurrected Holmes" or something similar so people would know where it came from but I don't see any note. There's nothing petulant about this, it's simply making sure a book you PV has correct info entered, which may not be required but seems like the right thing to do on a site that claims to be about accuracy; Lord knows I've corrected countless things in other books that are PV. As for the edits you skipped, they are being taken care of now and then by other mods and, as far as I can recall, every single one of them was approved, so it seems to me that your skipping them is more out of spite than because there was really anything wrong with them; it's not relevant, anyway, because the vast majority of those 450 pending edits are very recent and weren't skipped but are just laying there because of the complete disorganization here (made even worse by the recent server move) in getting edits approved in a timely manner, as can be seen by the many messages on the boards complaining that edits are taking a long time to get approved. Whatever your real problem is, I don't care. I don't like most of the people here, their childishness or anger not to mention the low quality of much of their editing, but I continue to do what I do because my personal feelings mean nothing; this is a site about books. So you can do what I suggest or not, whatever, none of this really means anything, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:03, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Silverberg's ''Needle in a Timestack'' cover art ==<br />
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Hi Ron, quick question for a side project I'm working on: How is the cover art credited on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?834559 verified pub]? If it's just a picture agency/library and not an artist, which agency? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Actually I have the same question for many of the recent Masterworks: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943091 Lord Valentine's Castle], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?798420 Bold As Love], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?810578 Desolation Road], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?826915 The Best of Greg Egan], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854301 White Queen], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865798 Kairos], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 Roadmarks], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 Nineteen Eighty-Four], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 Life], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 The Chronicles of Amber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908772 The Second Chronicles of Amber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897 Growing Up Weightless] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897 The Secret of Life]. I think it's a shame the series are using so many generic stock images these days, and I'd much rather they commissioned artists. Anyway, sorry for your trouble, and thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 12:26, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You and [[User:BanjoKev|Kev]] are killing me with the Masterwoks titles ;-) I agree with you about the stock images. Although, I generally like the covers. I'm not sure that I agree that the various companies should be listed as artists and generally don't list them for the records I enter. I know other do, and I've no objection if folks add the names to my publications. Anyway, I thing I've got them all:<br />
:::* {{P|834559|Needle in a Timestack}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|943091|Lord Valentine's Castle}} - Image © Gerry Images<br />
:::* {{P|798420|Bold As Love}} - Images © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|810578|Desolation Road}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|826915|The Best of Greg Egan}} - Illustration © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|854301|White Queen}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|865798|Kairos}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|930344|Roadmarks}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873253|Nineteen Eighty-Four}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873102|Life}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873253|The Chronicles of Amber}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|908772|The Second Chronicles of Amber}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|913897|Growing Up Weightless}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|916090|The Secret of Life}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::Hope that's helpful --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for the accolade Ron, just when I needed a good laugh :) (...just come along with us, Sir, and mind your head as you get in the car...). Seriously though, I don't think "generic stock images" quite describes what's happening. People who create images put them up to these image libraries in the hope that someone (a publishing house perhaps) will want to use them. I don't think anybody "at", say, Shutterstock actually creates any images - they might provide several images to Gateway and then Gateway arranges them. Sometimes the agency gets the copyright, sometimes the creator, depends on their T&Cs. Take a look at the notes in this pub, Doc Smith's {{P|700037|Galactic Patrol}}. I searched for ages on Shutterstock to eventually find the artist. In that case, one artist created the whole image, but in, say, your White Queen, there are likely two elements to that picture, created by "artists" but the credit goes to Shutterstock. Anyway, that's my 2p, I hope you don't mind me jumping in. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:46, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 submitting] an edit to this {{P|602865|1st printing}}. Would you take a look and let me know if you are agreeable to the essay title changes in particular, as well as the addition of the 3rd essay. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:32, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My first impression is that I don't really agree with the title changes for the essays. To me, that really looks like a simple author credit for each essay. Also, if we do change the title, I'm not sure is we still need the parenthetical disambiguator. However, they are also singed at the end. I'll add an inquiry on the Community Portal to see what other folks think, and hold the edit pending that discussion. The rest of the edit is fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:44, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for putting that up to the portal Ron, it's cleared up something that's been nagging at me for a while. I've cancelled the original and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5628098 resubmitted], amending the titling errors. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:40, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nailed By the Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372; I'm not sure what happened there, but I made another edit with right link; however, while doing that, I noticed that the original Brit HC/PB and the 2010 edition have totally different art and yet Steve Crisp is credited on the back of both. Since his ISFDB page stops in 2005 (except for a 2017 cover that may or may not be original) and the 2010 art doesn't look like his usual style and is just the usual modern mass-market stock photo, I think his credit there is in error and was just reprinted from the old editions. But who knows, just mentioning it in case anyone knows and can unmerge if he really did both or delete his credit from 2010 if he didn't do that one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:59, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Union ==<br />
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Hi Ron, <br />
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I was working on forthcoming books and Fixer found the new Dragon Soul Press anthology which got me to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938978 this record]. After fixing quite a lot of issues which one would expect to be caught during moderation (see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JarlFrank#Union my message to the user]), I noticed that you moderated but never edited it after that - probably an oversight so just heads up - especially as it is a new editor who won't learn how to do things if we do not help them :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:47, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about that. I did miss the poorly formed suffix and the amazon link. I noted the format was not entered, and thought that odd, but I generally give quite a bit of deference to primarily verified submissions. Regarding the add this ASIN. I thought our policy was to not add those when an ISBN is present. I did catch a similar error on another submission and advised the submitter that there is no need to add a link as Amazon links are auto generated in the sidebar. My understanding was that is the same reason for not adding ASINs when there is and ISBN. In any case, I'll try to be more careful going forward. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: This is an ISBN starting with 979. These do not form their ASINs by getting the ISBN10 as these do not exist - so the side link cannot create a link for these books as the side bar (try to click on it to see what happens and compare that to a 978 ISBN book ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?936640 for example]) and the Amazon URLs in general use the ASIN and not the ISBN so switching the bar to ISBN13 is not an option. So for books with 979 ISNBs, we generally also want the ASIN (it always starts with B) so we can have a link to Amazon. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:08, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm getting a valid link in the sidebar for the US Amazon from the book with the 979 isbn and it does not appear to be forming it from the ASIN external id (<nowiki>https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_66%3A9798376838440&tag=isfdb-20</nowiki>). I also tried a random publication {{P|911048}} with an ISBN starting with a 979 and no ASIN. Again, the Amazon US sidebar link if fine. My recollection is that I noticed the comment discouraging adding ASINs in a conversation on one of the boards. It was some years ago, and I don't believe it is documented anywhere, so perhaps I was mistaken. Perhaps someone was trying to move traffic to the sidebar links to that we would get the commission on the sale. I believe that is moot now as I recall Amazon discontinued that program, although we still have a disclaimer on the links. In any case the sidebar links seem to be fine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: It drops you into the search screen with the whole book selected but NOT into the edition as a 978 ISBN link or an ASIN link does. We do not record ASINs which are ISBN10; if they start with B, we always record them. And that had been documented [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here]: "Look for the "ASIN" line in the "Product Details" section of the page. If the ASIN matches the ISBN10 of the book, do not record it. Most ASINs will start with B but for some older books, there may be exceptions." for a long time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:52, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959 ==<br />
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For your verified {{P|61294|The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959}}, I updated the title of the story on page 5 from "Tenth Time Around" to "Tenth Time Round" based on the [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v016n05_1959-05_PDF/page/n3/mode/2up Internet Archive scan]. This seemed pretty straightforward based on the scan, but let me know if on the off chance there were two versions of this magazine and we need updates. I am posting this message on all active verifiers' pages. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:32, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Venture Science Fiction [UK] ==<br />
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Our [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29404 Venture Science Fiction &#91;UK&#93;] records contain a publication note of "Editor from Tymn & Ashley [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?88429 here]." Where the here is a title record link to {{T|88429|The Inscrutable God}}. I am assuming this was supposed to be a publication record link as the corresponding publication record number is {{P|88429|Science Fiction, Fantasy and Weird Fiction Magazines}}. Since you have verified that publication, would you mind checking if that is the correct source? If so, I will update the records to fix the link. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, Tymn & Ashley list Ronald R. Wickers as the editor while also noting that he is not credited in the magazine itself. Neither {{Tuck}} nor Miller/Contento list an editor. As an aside here, it may be worthwhile to create a [[Help:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields|template]] for Tymn and Ashley to be used in these instances. A few days ago, I thought about asking if one could be created for {{Series|36285|Chalker/Owings}}, but there are several editions of that, so it's hard to link to a specific publication. I've no idea how difficult the notes field templates are to create. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:29, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. The uncredited part matches the one issue whose scan I found on Internet Archive. I will update the records. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:56, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Naomi Kanakia ==<br />
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Am I to understand that she needs to publish 50 more titles before isfdb respects her name change? [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 17:39, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No disrespect is intended. We are a bibliographical database and thus we reflect what has been published. The canonical name of an author is not meant to imply that it is the author's preferred name nor their legal name. It is simply the name by which they are most commonly known in genre publications. In this case Naomi has had many more works published using the name Rahul than she has as Naomi. Please see [[Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this help template]] and [[ISFDB:FAQ#How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?|this FAQ]] for further information on how we determine canonical name. I hope this helps you to understand why her bibliography appears as it does. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:26, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Is there any way I can propose a change of policy? [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 20:56, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You absolutely can. Changes have been proposed before and I looked for the prior discussions while composing my original response but was unable to find them. The place to propose policy changes is [[Rules and standards discussions]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:02, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks! [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 21:06, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Summon, Bind, Banish ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?323471; I have a pending edit with Archive.org link, Mamatas story has commas, already on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=banish&type=All+Titles, fix/merge needed. I discovered this while adding links to stories from Apex Magazine's online days, which seem to have disappeared from the modern web and only exist as archived pages now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:41, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. I also removed the comment about the story's first appearance in ''Apex'' as its appearance in ''Bandersnatch'' predates the magazine publication. By the way, [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/fmi/j00/j00046.htm#A164 FictionMags] indexes the online version of ''Apex'' if you're interested. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:02, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've been using the index to add stories that were originally published somewhere else before Apex; once I got to the Mamatas story they apparently started breaking stories up into separate pages, the old click-bait scheme, and the story after Mamatas, by Jay Lake, doesn't have the second page archived, so I think I'm done with that. Added nearly 2 dozen, though. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MFFS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644683; There's a 6-page unsigned intro that's not mentioned here, in case you think it needs adding to contents/mentioning in notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:17, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:48, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruno E. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?947748; I own an edition of the American book but you just entered the original Brit edition; problem is, as was discussed here by some people not so long ago, the cover artist was credited differently sometimes. In this case, per back cover, it's Bruno Ellitori, which is a variation not yet on ISFDB and judging by text search there's no other book on Archive.org with that particular spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:30, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, I got that from one of the secondary sites. Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:17, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - The Thunder-Thieves (afterword) ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you have a look at {{P|29759|this title}}. Is that correct or should it be "Afterword (The Thunder-Thieves)" ? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:17, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev -<br />
:I'm going to stick with the current titling. Both the poem and the subsequent essay are under a single title page (on page 239), i.e. the essay does not have a separate title. It's much longer than the poem. Thus I think using the same title as for the poem with a disambiguator is closest to how it appears in the book. I'll add a note to the essay explaining that it is not separately titled. I'll assume that the paperback presents these in the same manner. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:35, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's helped me be clear as to its identity. The titling stood out a mile on Asimov's summary page amongst all the "Afterword (piece name)" formats.<br />
::and btw, in case it got lost in the mix, I've added to the "Robot Visions" thread, above. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:01, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolf Leader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648658; Changes OK? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:49, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They're fine. I've approved the edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:38, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Summer Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1918982; Made some edits for T. Due's collection, bunch of stuff was wrong, I didn't change the artist because you PV an art book that included the cover, real artists are Sten Schneider and Vesperity-Stock. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:53, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The cover in the WFC Souvenir Book does not have an artist credit. We don't use "uncredited" for artist credits when the acutual artist is known. I've updated both art records with the correct artists. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:51, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Avati ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650644; Barcode on back says 3999, not $39.95. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:29, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:29, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula: or the Adventure of the Sanguinary Count, by John H. Watson, M.D. ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287233 Your pub] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406844 this pub] look like duplicates. Any concerns about me merging the newer one into your entry? [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:25, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are different. Mine lacks the first edition statement mentioned in your edition and is presumably a later printing. It does have the 1978 date on the title page. The publication month is from an unknown source and was added to the record prior to my verification. In any case, they shouldn't be merged. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:04, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== GToFaI ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363044; This, https://archive.org/details/bwb_T2-FPH-238, says 3rd on copyright page, you say 2nd. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:48, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:52, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monter - Monster? ==<br />
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Hello Ron, is {{T|2092130|this title}} really Monter? Could you transliterate the hyphen while you're there please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:28, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:53, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Alderburn ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/external_id_search_results.cgi?ID_TYPE=12&OPERATOR=contains&ID_VALUE=GB; I just made an edit with Archive.org link to Bride and saw the GB WorldCat ID; those 2 linked above are the only ones with GB here, both entered by you, so should they be some other ID, not WorldCat? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, that should have been BNB. Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:16, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK, but does the other one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?941692, need fixing, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry, but it's rather confusing when you paste bare urls in the wiki. Perhaps individual links to each publication with either wiki markup (the link tool in the toolbar), or using the [[Template:P|publication template]] would make your posts easier to understand. I looked at this while at work, so I didn't have time to deal with it for more than a moment. My recollection is the link returned a single publication which I fixed. The other one is now fixed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think the problem might be your computer setup, something I vaguely remember us discussing a long time ago when you complained about something similar, because on my end clicking the link I provided showed both Bride and the other book just fine, and later after you fixed Bride but before you left your first response here the link showed just the other book. After you fixed the other book it now says "No matching records found". So all of that makes perfect sense to me. My writing "the 2 linked above" and "only ones" and "both" and "they" was probably a good indication that I was talking about more than 1 book. Jargon about "wiki markup" and templates is pointless because I'm no computer expert, just a regular person, so I have no idea what that stuff means. Perhaps part of the problem as to why you made these ID mistakes and all the countless others I've had to fix or asked you to fix is the same reason you didn't notice my clear message about 2 books, because you're doing this while you're preoccupied with work and not giving it your full attention. I'm not sure why you didn't just wait until you were done with work before you looked into this issue. There's no hurry, obviously, since I currently have nearly 1,300 pending edits awaiting approval. Gratitude, not attitude. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Since you are editing a wiki, I assume that you are comfortable with the the terms used in editing wikis. In fact you you use the signature tool in your posts. However, you balk at using the link tool which is in the same toolbar (or perhaps you are hand typing the signature markup, but refuse to hand type the link markup). The link to the publication template that I provided explains how to use it with examples. I'm not sure what the number of pending edits has to do with this discussion. In any case, I've given you suggestions on how to better communicate and make your posts easier to read. If you can't be bothered to make your posts more readable, misunderstandings will continue to happen. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:09, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'm tired of talking about this. I used advanced search to find books with WorldCat ID that included "GB", 2 results were found and my link above showed both books, and both were no longer there after you fixed their ID. Simple, and even if your computer didn't allow you to see that my several uses of plural terms in my message made it obvious there were 2 books with wrong ID, so your "recollection" of the link only showing 1 book makes no sense. So my point about the reason for all these mistakes and often further problems when I ask you to fix them being due to you doing other things at the same time and not giving ISFDB your full attention seems likely. Obviously work is more important, this stuff is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but my suggestion somewhere on this site recently to a mod that the webmasters, whoever they are, should look into "hiring" more mods seems logical, since many here now are either too busy with work/moving/hospital/doing background coding on the site instead of approving edits, or have seemingly lost interest/are angry at one or more people here, thus the enormous backlog of pending edits with mine being the majority because I usually do so many every day but also several hundred from other editors. Editors don't have to do things exactly the same way you do them; the problem isn't me adding a URL link because I've done that in hundreds of other messages and people seem to see them just fine, the problem was not entering those ID properly and then not reading my message properly about fixing the ID because you were rushed at work. You and the others here have certainly never had a problem since I started here a few years ago complaining about every little mistake I make so you shouldn't have a problem when I do the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:55, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Delaware ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649495; https://delaware.gov/artistroster/artistProfile.php?aid=365. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:48, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, it would have saved a lot of time if you had documented your source in the original edit. I can approve this edit if you agree to add the additional link, or if you'd prefer you can enter this edit again with both links. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't think it was necessary because when I typed "born Delaware Margiotta" on Google the first site that came up was the one above, so your "but I can't find anything stating it is her birth place" doesn't make sense; where do you search? I've been told, or someone else was told, I can't remember, that it's only required when the person's info is not publicly available and comes from a private or not-easily-found source; this couldn't be more easily found. So approve it, if I remember I'll add the link, if not you can add it or nobody can, who cares, I'm tired of these constant rejections and complaints for no legitimate reason except personal ones; my time is just as important as yours. P.S. I also left a message on CP about the Hitler cover you rejected because the cover artist is almost certainly wrong, not being mentioned in the book and by an artist who died long before Hitler was known by anyone, so hopefully someone will find out which cover the artist really did and that rejection can be un-rejected, too. Just because SFE says it's by him means nothing; they, like all other online sites including this one, are unreliable and from personal experience they've been wrong many times before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry, I'm not willing to rely on whether you remember to fix the record, so please re-enter the edit with both links. I stated in the rejection message that I couldn't find her birth place in the source you did add in the edit. You've been asked several times to site your sources. There isn't an exception if the source can be found in Google. I'll also point out that moderators can approve more edits if you don't require them to do extra work. You've stated that edits aren't approved as quickly as you like. Well, properly sourcing your edits would be one way you could speed up their approval. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Locus Award category names ==<br />
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Hi, I'm pinging you as the most prolific - by an order of magnitude ;-) - creator of award records. I've just added the last of this year's Locus top 10 nominees, and I noticed a couple of things that I was a bit puzzled by.<br />
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I'm using [https://locusmag.com/2023/04/2023-locus-awards-top-ten-finalists-2/ this page on their site] as reference. Amongst the category subheadings, it has "PUBLISHER" and "ILLUSTRATED AND ART BOOK", so I've added those respectively as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?367+1 Best Publisher] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?332+1 Best Art or Illustrated Book]. The latter isn't an exact match for what's on that locusmag.com page, but seemed closer than [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?331+0 Best Art Book]. Most recent publisher entries have been recorded under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?370+0 Best Publisher/Imprint], rather than "(Best) Publisher" which is what I've used for this year's entries.<br />
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Do you have any recollection about what the correct names for these are, or what the definitive reference might be? I've not looked at previous year's pages on locusmag.com - and I haven't seen a copy of the mag since before the pandemic - but I see that the SFADB entries for [http://www.sfadb.com/Locus_Awards_2022 2022] and [http://www.sfadb.com/Locus_Awards_2021 2021] have different names for this pair of categories for those 2 years, which doesn't match what what we have. <br />
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Thanks for any thoughts you might have. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:21, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Hi ErsatzCulture -<br />
::I don't know that we have any documented standards for naming award categories. The way I've approached it previously is that minor differences in category names should probably be ignored (e.g. "Science Fiction Novel" vs "Best SF Novel") My theory is that there is usefulness in looking at a category as a whole and seeing all the years for that category together. That being said, when a category name changes enough to denote something new is included (for locus see the non-fiction, related, art categories). I've also let previous categories remain as they are unless I have a good reason to believe they should be changed. As to what the authoritative source for the category names for Locus, I would refer to the magazine where they are presented. I skimmed through this years issues and I don't see the ballot for 2023. I did find last July's issue with the winners announcement and the categories are nearly identical to what we have for 2022. The differences being "Best Non-Fiction Book" (mag, winners) vs "Best Non-Fiction" (mag, full results) vs "Best Non-Fiction" (us); "Best Book Publisher" (mag, winners) vs "Best Publisher/Imprint" (mag, full results) vs "Best Publisher/Imprint" (us). The 2022 ballot (top ten) is [https://locusmag.com/2022/05/2022-locus-awards-top-ten-finalists/ here]. Maybe my memory about standardizing categories is faulty as last years seem to match the categories as listed in the full results exactly.<br />
::Clearly, Locus can alter the names between ballot, winner announcement and full results. I would probably stick with what we used last year to start with and make adjustments when the full results are published, if they seem necessary. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for response. I'll leave these two 2023 categories as-is for now, and if they get changed when the final results are announced, I guess they can/should be changed then.<br />
::: One minor positive side-effect of this is that I've dusted off some incomplete code I wrote ages ago to report on when award categories were run, and fixed it. This has highlighted that there are gaps in our data:<br />
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$ ./award_categories.py -W "Locus Poll Award" -c "publisher"<br />
= Locus Poll Award =<br />
* Best Book Publisher [1972-1974, 1980-1990, 1993-1999]<br />
* Best Book Publisher/Imprint [2000-2003]<br />
* Best Publisher [1977-1978, 1991-1992, 2023]<br />
* Best Publisher - hardcover [1975-1976]<br />
* Best Publisher - Paperback (old) [1975-1976]<br />
* Best Publisher/Imprint [2004, 2009-2022]<br />
# There are no awards on record for the years 1979, 2005-2008<br />
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SFADB doesn't have anything for 1979, but does have data for 2005-2008. If no-one else beats me to it, I'll add those 4 years at some point, but I've had my fill of Locus right now, so it won't be for a week or two at least... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:46, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== August Derleth ==<br />
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We seem to have duplicate entries for {{T|1009500|August Derleth}}. The version with less information (no contents, no cover, etc.) has your secondary verification for Reginald3. It looks like that should be moved over to the more complete record and the less complete one deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:01, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2021 Locus Poll Award ==<br />
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A quick question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?69581 this Locus Poll award] which you added in 2021. The Note field currently reads "For Inclusivity, Representation, and Education". However, the [https://locusmag.com/2021/06/2021-locus-awards-winners/ announcement reads] "Amplifying diverse voices". Would you happen to remember where "For Inclusivity, Representation, and Education" comes from? TIA!<br />
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Also, as an FYI, I have changed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78672 2020 award] based on Dave Langford's update -- see the Note field for details. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:23, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I got that language from the [https://file770.com/2021-locus-awards/ File 770] announcement, which is where I usually learn about award news. I've no objection to changing the note. I can check later in the magazine if you'd like. With the research done for [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]]'s question above, we've determined that the locus.com and magazine publications can be slightly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:32, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the clarification! Both announcements look plausible, so I have updated the Notes field of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?69581 our award record] to reflect what they say and added links. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:39, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - Robot Visions ==<br />
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Hello Ron, just letting you know I've completed all the edits affecting {{T|517297|the main title}} and which arose from our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Robot_Visions earlier conversation] above. If you have time have a look. Please let me know if you find anything amiss. I'll drop a note on Fjh's page to let him know too. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:10, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi Kev <br />
:There is one issue that I have with the changes now that they're done. That is the title of {{T|3175000|The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)}}. As I explained in my post at 18:49, 16 April 2023 (EDT) in the above thread, I feel fairly strongly that the title of this should be "Robot Visions (frontispiece)". As I argued above, the frontispiece is for the collection as a whole, not just for the story "The Bicentennial Man". There's a lot in that topic, so perhaps you missed that point. Other than that, things look good. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:10, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Good, I'm glad you found that, it will look much better. I've submitted the change :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::And...fixed. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:57, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Looks good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:59, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Teresa T. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401191; Tunaly is credited as Tunaley elsewhere on ISFDB; mistake or variant? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It was a typo and I've fixed it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:36, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stapledon - Odd John ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you are joint PV for the {{P|373991|1st printing}}. I'm editing a 3rd printing of this edition and yours is the only one extant to clone from. I notice a couple of things that don't seem quite right and propose the following for your copy (which will also apply to mine):<br />
* Pages change x+208+[2] to x+208. There isn't any "...additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record" (from the help).<br />
*:I agree completely. I think these bracketed numbers are frequently misused. If Pete agrees, please go ahead with this change.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT) <br />
* Title record {{T|1403847|1403847}}. Change date 2011-03-00 to 2012-03-00. This looks like a simple typo - I can find no reference to a 2011 Roberts Introduction.<br />
*:Sure. I'm not sure how that was introduced as new content takes the date of the container unless specifically specified. Perhaps the publication record was dated incorrectly and subsequently changed.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
* Apart from that I have an image to replace the Amazon one and can add the publisher (Gollancz / Orion).<br />
*:I'm fine with the publisher change. The Amazon image matches my copy and is one of the stable URLs. I've no issues with changing it as long as it still matches.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
What do you think? If you agree, I can make the changes while I'm processing my 3rd printing. I've posted the same to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Stapledon_-_Odd_John Pete's page]. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:01, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Responses inline above. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Ron, I'll wait for Pete's reply. On the covers, to reassure you, I'm always very careful with replacements, checking for text alignment and looking for all the things that I know publishers (Gollancz in particular) like to fiddle with, sometimes to only small degrees :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Pete has agreed to the changes so I'll submit them before I clone for my printing. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:31, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Now I'm submitting the changes, I see the [https://www.orionbooks.co.uk/titles/olaf-stapledon/odd-john/9780575072244/?v2=true Orion website] gives 2012-03-08 as the published date. Are you happy with me amending that? Sorry I didn't spot it earlier. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:40, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::That's fine. You can proceed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:37, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Haldeman - The Forever War ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you're PV2 {{P|500093|here}}. On the title record page for the {{T|847613|Author's Note}} I can't find the origin of the 1997-08-00 date. Could you sleuth it please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:41, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I can't with complete certainty. However, my edition does list 1997 as one of the copyright dates. Further, the August 1987 {{P|40063|Avon edition}} has the following note in its Locus1 listing: "According to the author’s note, this is the “definitive” version." Further still, Locus1's note for the 1997 {{P|40062|SFBC edition}} states "This has a 1997 copyright, but lacks the author’s note of the “definitive” version published last month by AvoNova...". Given those statements, I think we could safely import the note into the 1997 Avon edition. I'm certain that the record was added prior to my verification. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::There's lots of editions available and while trying to add a link to original '74 St. Martin's which ironically is the most recently uploaded, https://archive.org/search?query=1974+forever-war+joe-haldeman, it turned out it's a book club (?) edition which is missing the "first printing" on copyright page, so it seems it's an edition not on ISFDB. I just added an eBay link with a note, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671796. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:21, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ron, I'll import the Author's Note into the August 1987 {{P|40063|Avon edition}} and add a note referencing the Locus1 entry and your {{P|500093|11th printing}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:34, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Destiny Times Three (Part 1 of 2) ==<br />
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For "Destiny Times Three (Part 1 of 2)" in {{P|57566|Astounding Science Fiction, March 1945}}, it looks like the credit should be Fritz Leiber, Jr. (instead of Fritz Leiber) per the Internet Archive scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:08, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. Fixed. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Best Tales of Hoffmann ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=best-tales-of-hoffmann&sort=-addeddate; Edition with $2.00 on cover just uploaded, $6.95 in your PV high for 1967, you may want to adjust price/add other editions using this info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:02, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Actually, mine is priced at $3.00 which is very difficult to see. I've cloned the record we have for my edition and another for the $6.95 edition. I've removed the price and the ISBN from the 1967 edition. It's unlikely that it had an ISBN then. The archive scan with the yellow cover is a good candidate for the first printing, but we can't say for sure. Unfortunately, Dover didn't go in much for providing printing history or marking first editions. It looks like they may have gotten better at some point. Tuck is the only verified secondary source which has a price ($2.50) which disagrees with the $2.00 price of the scanned copy. Whether Tuck is in error, or the price was reduced at some point requires additional research. Thanks for pointing this out. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:40, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The 1968 Budrys review was easy to find and has the $2.00 price. I think that's enough evidence that the scanned copy is the first edition. I'll update accordingly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tragedy of Macbeth ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Macbeth]]. We currently have a 1988 Shakespeare review linked to a 1997 retelling by Coville. You have verified one of the pubs containing this review so would you mind checking if this should linked to the original Shakespeare story instead? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Strugatsky - The Snail on the Slope ==<br />
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Hello Ron, with regard to our PVd {{P|730349|1st printing}}, I propose changing the coverart credit to Getty Images. It's my understanding that, as a rule, we don't credit designers. Someone authored this image and made it available through Getty and the copyright is with Getty. To credit Getty with authorship is not to say they created the image, if that makes sense. If you think my reasoning is sound, then the {{T|2645121|title record}} will need amending. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:36, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, it clearly shouldn't be Almeida. Personally, I don't ordinarily like crediting Getty who, as you say, is the copyright holder and not the cover artist. I'm uncomfortable with it for that reason, though I know others have added credits that way. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:21, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I find it easier to think of the photo-stock library as the intermedial link between our credit and the artist responsible. I also used to feel ambivalent about adding a library as credit until I went looking on Shutterstock's site for the artist who created the works that Gollancz used for their Golden Age Masterworks series. Using their image search function I found {{P|700041|Tithi Luadthong}} and all the rest of her works for the series. My reasoning now is that, <i>where the art merits it</i>, we ought to point the way to finding the actual identity - if someone has the time or inclination. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:09, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think it would be fine to include this in the notes, but I don't think it should be added as the cover artist. I did a bit of searching to see if this had been discussed, and there are discussions including [[Rules and standards discussions/Archive/Archive14#Entering authors as credited--complex attributions|this discussion]] on the R&S board from 2016. There is also [[User talk:BanjoKev#Getty Images and similar|this one]] from your own talk page. The consensus seems to be that these sorts of credits should not be used in the cover artist field. However, as I said, they are fine in the notes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:51, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Ha. I'd completely forgotten about that thread on my own page. Doh. Muchas for finding that, and the one on the Rules & Standards page is very good. Is deleting the Almeida at title level the best way to do this? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'll go ahead and take care of it. You can either remove the title from the publication or blank out the name in the publication record. Either way will result in an orphan title record (for the COVERART) which will have to be deleted. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:36, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks! While you're on Almeida, there's another which may be suspect, your PV {{P|671399|1st printing here}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:28, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::That credit states "Illustration by Tomás Almeida", so I think we're good. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:04, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosmos ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33498; I just added an Archive.org link in an edit to this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?147141, and copyright page says published by Dorchester so should publisher be re-named to what it is in the first link I provided here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:41, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I wouldn't say so. It's only on Cosmos on the title page which is an imprint of Wildside. You need to check with the other primary verifiers who are all active. If they wish to change it, I won't object, but I don't think it's necessary. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:19, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Visitants ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5677110; Intro is "of Sorts". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:00, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Held Submissions ==<br />
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Ron, we're both holding submissions pending a resolution [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Atheneum_publisher. here]. The discussion appears abandoned. Based on the title page, I disagree with the submissions I'm holding. What what are your thoughts? We should apply whatever is decided to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?76275 these] as well. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:51, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I just re-read the thread, and my sense is that the consensus was that Argo would be listed as a publication series rather than listed as an additional imprint of the publisher. Some of the ones I'm holding are for changing "Aladdin / Atheneum" to " Aladdin / Margaret K. McElderry / Atheneum" which doesn't seem as clear cut. I'll drop another note on that thread and see if we can kick-start the discussion to reach a final consensus. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:06, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FantLab Artist Image ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678984; I don't know what happened with this, whether it was my error or some change they made between my edit and approval, but I made another edit with the correct image. Is there a way to check ISFDB for any other "missing" FantLab images which show that cartoon image? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:35, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Advanced search allows you search authors by author image (i.e. the URL). That would find any where the URL is identical. There are other operators (starts with or ends with) that may be useful if you can determine if there is a pattern in the URLs for the cartoon images. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:45, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brunner - The Shockwave Rider ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I just checked [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671070 this submission] but I can't find that I did in fact tell you of the changes. I'm sorry for that oversight. I'm expanding the notes and, of course, preserving your original data. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:56, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No worries. Since I was the approving moderator, I gave it a look before I approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:52, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Phew! Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:47, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jimgrim Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679967; I saw the name and added it. SFE only credits Ricca for this cover but they did mainstream covers, too. Maybe a first name for the artist will turn up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:03, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Note Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648635; Is my note fix correct? If so, this can be un-rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:16, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm good with that change. However, there are two other primary verifiers who are active and I don't see that you've asked them as well. All primary verifiers need to be consulted before changing data on their publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If you're referring to MartyD and Chavey, 1 is a transient PV so they wouldn't have a copy to check and the other hasn't responded to anyone on their page for a year. So you can decide what to do with this. I'm just trying to get the several rejections of my edits today un-rejected (although 2 were rejected and then my info was entered by a mod in their own edits without letting me know about it once they realized they had rejected mine incorrectly). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:30, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::A transient verification doesn't excuse you from the requirement to ask before submitting the edit. Some years ago, transient verifications were the only way to add an additional verifier after all of the limited slots (there were 5 as I recall) were taken. [[User:Chavey|Darrah]] is still active and has made edits as recently as May 21 in the main database and on April 7 in the Wiki. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:41, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::So I should ask a transient PV to check a copy they don't have anymore so they can say, "I don't have a copy and can't check"? And Chavey, or Darrah as you call them, may still make edits but doesn't respond to messages on their page, which I know because I see 37 messages from me and the last one they answered was in May of 2022 and even that was answered nearly 2 months after I asked. So I don't see the point in asking about a note that someone, probably not Marty or Chavey judging by edit history, made a minor mistake in by entering the wrong year. Forget it. Nobody else ever noticed or fixed it in the years it's been there so obviously it's not really important. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:55, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Animal Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?168962; This book is already on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:23, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:18, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== NtSNtS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5682165; There's a foreword dated 1978, apparently original to this edition, that could be added and other prices on back cover are blacked out so those could be added, too, assuming your copy has the foreword and visible prices. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:33, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:38, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit History Glitch? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23; Chavey's 2014 edit is indented; is that a problem that should be fixed or does it not matter? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:19, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:While I am a programmer, I don't work in Python and thus I don't work on our software. You might try asking [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:22, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Actually, I can tell why it's happening. The edit question added HTML to the title of the record, which is being interpreted when the affected title is displayed in the edit history. Specifically, the title was updated to make it into an unordered list of one item, which the browser interprets with an indent and a bullet. If you look at the raw XML for that edit, it becomes clear. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:27, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kirsch, et al - Aldous Huxley, 1894-1963 ==<br />
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Hello Ron, re this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?928819 edit history], I'm submitting a correction to the date (1894-1980 -> 1894-1963) per the Reginald3 entry. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:38, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As you are the only one in the edit history, and you have Reginald3, I'm hoping you'll be able to tell what happened with the titling. Could you moderate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5683050 this submission] accordingly? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:59, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It was just a typo. Edit approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:40, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The City and the Stars ==<br />
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Ron, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5672924 this submission] affects one of your verified publications. Another mod approved the original change to the 1973 edition. I approved the subsequent submissions for the pubs with inactive pv. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:24, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Approved and merged. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:59, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RuneQuest ==<br />
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Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?954633 this one] definitely eligible for inclusion? AFAIK RuneQuest - at least as of the late 70s - is/was just an RPG ruleset and setting, not a novel. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RuneQuest#History Wikipedia] thinks the 1979 one is a second edition, FWIW. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:53, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I added that because it is listed in {{Reginald3}}. I am familiar with the RPG and played it back in high school. I recall that I played the 2nd edition and that it included Greg Stafford as an author. I am also aware that there is other fiction based on the campaign setting (e.g. {{T|186148|this}}). Reginald describes it as "fiction" and lists the authors as Perrin and Turney only with a 1979 date. Perhaps the Perrin/Turney edition includes enough fictional content to qualify. The only record I found in Worldcat for a Perrin/Turney edition is [https://www.worldcat.org/title/8673087 this 1980 printing] by a different publisher. I'd prefer to keep it in. I chose to enter it as a novel because of the length and Reginald's description as fiction. We don't really have a good type for fiction that isn't a traditional novel or story. I thought I had included a note about the Reginald description, but it doesn't seem to be there. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:17, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I was under the impression that RPGs were explicitly excluded, but on examining [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] there is no mention of them, whether pro or anti. I then trawled back through the Rules & Standards archives, and had to go back ~15 years before I found anything that mentions them in the item heading. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive05#What_is_an_RPG.3F That item] starts off ''"I know Role Playing Games are out but I don't know for sure what an RPG is"'', but (a) much of the discussion is about gamebooks, which are probably a different topic, and (b) doesn't really resolve anything. I don't see any earlier discussion of RPGs there.<br />
:: My concern is that if a new editor sees the RQ entry or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68177 the AD&D ones], they might submit some other RPG book, and wonder why that would likely get rejected by a moderator. I certainly experienced something similar personally when I had a film-related submission rejected in my early days here, but could point to comparable entries already in the DB that had been deemed acceptable. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:12, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Silverberg - Homefaring ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your {{P|227965|PV here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I make those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:21, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's fine. In the future, you only need add a note in the Notes to the Moderator. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:31, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Always do :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:01, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6346; I wrote Kraang as you suggested, he didn't reply (yet) but un-rejected my edit and made one of his own. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:15, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's not how I would have handled it. The publisher and price were specific and I have a hard time believing that an editor created that record intentionally adding false values. Like any negative, it's extremely difficult to prove that an Indiana University Press edition never existed. Absence of evidence not being definitive evidence of absence. I would have left the IUP edition in place and added the BFI as a separate publication record under the same title. Since we still have a note as to the prior record, it can be recreated if proof of the publication can be found. Aside from overwriting the IUP edition, what we couldn't have is a record for the first BFI printing with a price from the IUP printing and a scan from a later BFI printing. For all those reasons, I had to reject your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russ - The Female Man ==<br />
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Hello Ron, while I was entering two printings of this title I noticed that the Amazon image for your {{P|331690|PV here}} has the author's name compressed; different to {{P|952242|this printing}}. The link at the bottom of the notes there, "Compare here", shows the alternative cover (which matches yours). If your copy is not the same as the Amazon image I can upload the correct one for you. What do you think? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:53, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's a subtle difference and I think mine matched the Amazon cover. However, I went ahead and scanned my copy, so there's no question. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:28, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for doing that, it's Gollancz up to their tricks again (they just can't leave the covers alone), changing it between the 1st & 7th printing. I'll add the publisher before I leave :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:38, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Gods and Scarlet Dreams ==<br />
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Ron, I saw one your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?168921 verified publications] on an exception report. The variant was severed and type changed to omnibus on the first collection. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:45, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've put it back the way it was. Both the collections in the omnibus match previously published collections in contents, but the titles of the collections are new to this publication. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Courts of Chaos ==<br />
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Ron, you're PV3 {{P|129711|here}}. Can you say how a gutter code for August 1978 (print) and a Locus date of November result in the pub date of October? The August part is ok, it's the Oct/Nov that doen't make sense to me. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:43, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It looks like [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] added the publication month and you could reach out to him. However, I think you're confusing the month of the Locus issue, with the publication date reported in Locus, i.e. issue 216 is the {{P|266232|November 1978}} issue. The note doesn't specify what publication date is in that issue. [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] has also verified that issue, if you wish to have someone check. I hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:20, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Ron, and yes, for some reason, I misread November as the pub date rather than the Locus issue date. I've asked Willem to have a look for me. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:18, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I can see the confusion. There are a lot of notes like this, and indeed November is the month of the Locus issue. The publication date comes from the section "Books received - Oktober" in this issue. Hope that helps. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for looking that up Willem. If it's alright with you two (and I'll ask Biomassbob) I'll change the wording slightly, to make it clearer, and also add a link to the Doubleday gutter code page (it took me a while to find that initially). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:24, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Dark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918858; cover image is broken and I don't see any on Amazon; also, page count is wrong, 3 OL copies with 2 saying Berkley and 220 pages but 1 saying Lancer and 190 pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:16, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Into the Sun & Other Stories ==<br />
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I've uploaded the full wraparound art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18449 this], however, my copy's dustwrapper is a tad damaged so if you have a better one you may wish to replace it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:51, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:While my copy is in good condition, I really don't like posting full wraparound covers and don't do so for my verified publications. My feeling is that we post cover scans which are copyrighted under fair use. I'm not a lawyer, but I worry that going beyond the front cover even in a reduced resolution might be considered beyond fair use. In any case, I don't really want to scan the full cover and would actually prefer that we revert to the original scan of just the front cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:40, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Budrys - Rogue Moon ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you're joint PV with Pete {{P|344978|here}}. I've asked about this pub on [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Budrys_-_Rogue_Moon Pete's page]. Could you drop in and let me know what you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:16, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Morrice ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5695803; I updated the record in case you have anything further to add to it after approval. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:49, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Growing Up Weightless ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897; Should that be "introduction"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:47, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:55, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== M. Ness ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1884197; I think the 2 items by Marni Ness should be by Mari Ness or made a variant of it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 25 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It was a typo. I've merged the authors. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 25 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolf-Leader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?343846; I made 3 edits adding month via copyright page of archived '21 edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:48, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Camelot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33381; There is an OL-only non-preview copy which has a number line that starts with 3 and ends with 4. I think that's a 3rd printing, not on ISFDB and something I could clone, but what does your 2nd printing say for number line? Also, your publisher is the only one on ISFDB; this copy says Philomel Books on title page just like first printing someone entered here so does yours say Putnam on title page or should it be the same as the others? EDIT: Also, illustrator is referred to as Winslow Pels several times but back flap says jacket is by Winslow Pinney Pels. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:14, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The lowest number in the number line of my copy is "2". Alternating numbers in a number line (odd numbers on the left, evens on the right) is common. When a subsequent printings were done the prior printing number was scraped off of the plates. My theory is that by arranging the numbers this way, it keeps the number line centered. Of course, with printing done electronically now, the need for such an arrangement is no longer necessary. Putnam is mentioned only on the verso of the title page. The first printing originally had the publisher listed as "Putnam/Philomel" when I cloned that record for the second printing. The publisher was subsequently changed for that record. Since the Philomel publisher record has the history of the imprint, I have merged the two publisher records. The title page has the artist credit as "Winslow Pels" which I would user over the flap copy, especially since the text on the flap is a statement of copyright rather than a specific credit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:21, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hugos ==<br />
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I see you've started on adding them; I don't know if you saw, but I started working on the contents of the leaked ballot a few days ago. I didn't get that far through, but there are some relevant links here: [[User:ErsatzCulture/Hugo2023]], although there are a few more records in the DB that hadn't yet got added to that page. Regards<br />
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At first glance, I only see one difference from the leak, Upstart (which people were querying the category for) isn't in the final list. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I had entered the novels from the early list before I realized it was withdrawn. I decided not to delete that work unless the final list came out and disagreed (for novels it did not). I've entered the short fiction categories with the exception of those works that appear to only have been published in Chinese. It's going to take some work to track those down. I'll work on these more later today unless you've gotten to all of them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I think I got all the short fiction that was on the leaked list, but I think there might be one on the official list that wasn't on the leak. Didn't get as far as related work, other than making a couple of notes about some of the people nominated for fan awards etc. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:10, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I've now done the awards for the 3 stories that I'd added to the database. I'll dig out and add details for the final missing story (White Cliff). I'm not planning on touching any of the others so that I don't duplicate any work that you're doing. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:34, 6 July 2023 (EDT) EDIT: final shortfiction is done. (The mag publication for it is really horrible and in need of a cleanup when I get chance to look into who the editor, publisher, etc is) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:46, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
(dedent)<br />
: So I lied - I've now added all the Chinese finalists. Some of the peripheral stuff (e.g. publication records for the magazine a story first appeared in) needs tidying up, but I think the relevant title records are all OK, and the relevant author records.<br />
: There's a weirdness with 2 different finalists seemingly having the same Chinese characters for their name, but for the time being I've gotten around that with a (I) disambiguation. Will try to find a better solution if possible.<br />
: I'm now completely fed up with the Hugos, so I'll leave the remaining entries to you. I did do all of the pro-artist nominees, as that category should be all clear. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:42, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for all that. It looks good. I tried for a bit to find the details of 时空画师 this morning, but was unable to get very far with the amount of time I could devote. I was somewhat flummoxed by the notation that it had been published in ''Galaxy's Edge'' not realizing that there is a separate Chinese publication with that title. I'll start working on the remaining items. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:25, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998 ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386118 this] magazine/anthology, can you show me where it's verified on Locus1?<br />
Thanks. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:33, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. The current link is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t903.htm#A43742 here]. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:03, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I just noticed your other post regarding this. Locus1 does cover magazines in addition to books. See their [http://www.locusmag.com/index/0start.htm#TOC table of contents]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:10, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! It's too bad they don't have a cover scan, since Galactic Central's is deleted, but that's the way it goes. I found another one on AbeBooks. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 19:16, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sixty Selected Poems ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?833943 this pv pub] there is an External ID "Reginald-3: 84-62734" but the Secondary Verifications show "Reginald3 N/A". What do You think about? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:52, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Nope. Clearly that was supposed to be LCCN. Thanks for pointing it out. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:05, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards where the title has multiple authors, but some have declined ==<br />
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Just bringing this to your attention, if you have any thoughts: [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Awards_where_the_title_has_multiple_authors.2C_but_some_have_declined]]. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:40, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SitD ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5703635; They may say what it is but, as so often, they were wrong; the link I provided shows that it is a story and it even says story in the URL of that link. I think this should be un-rejected. On the plus side, while looking into this just now I found Yates' page at encyclopedia.com which reveals that a work with the same title was a radio play in 1970, was collected in a book of his plays in 1971, and was a TV play in 1975, so I'll add that link to his page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Why do you suggest that Locus1 is often wrong? I find mistakes in their date to be rare. I Certainly trust them more than how a webzine structures their URLs and links. There are many different types of poems including prose poems and free verse and I don't claim to be expert at identifying the forms. I would rely on how Locus classified it as well as the fact that the verifiers saw no need to change the title type. Of course, you can put this on the community portal and see if any poetry experts disagree with Locus. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:50, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blue Lady #7 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=who%27s+that%3F&type=All+Titles; Hard to say what name was really used in either magazine his story appeared in because Ultimate Unknown and Blue Lady are very obscure and Locusmag/Philsp had/have a tendency to just lump together alternate names under a single name, but just mentioning that his name was supposedly different in the first zine and also appeared in 2 parts in 2 separate issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:01, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?519989; I discovered J.K. Potter did the cover for Faeries in this series and while looking for anything else I could do I noticed the later printing of Witches has Craft as artist but the first printing doesn't. You PV both so should you import it? It already has the right date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've only got a transient verification on the first printing, so no longer have a copy of that printing. I'd reach out to [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] who is also active. As the later printing has an unusual credit, we would want to make sure that she is similarly credited in the first printing. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:28, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Involution Ocean ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18533; I imported map from 1980 NEL into this and also into 1977 Canadian, same date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:20, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eye Hath Not Seen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5717534; I made an edit, so can you approve it in case you do something else later and it conflicts? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:17, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reginald3 ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as you also have Reginald, could you check a couple of things for me please?<br />
I'm looking at these two pubs; {{P|175751|Coils - Wallaby - tp}} and {{P|172481|Coils - Doubleday - hc}}. To me it looks as though the Reg3 verification has been attributed to the wrong pub. Reg3 states "Doubleday & Co., 1982, 183 p, cloth" (i.e. hc). What do you think?<br />
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While you've got Reg3 out, could you also have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#SV_removal this topic]. I think Reg3 references the US pub, not the Canadian (simultaneous?) one. I've noticed that where this situation arises elsewhere, the non-referenced one (i.e. the Canadian one) gets marked "N/A" and the Reg3-referenced US one is verified. What do you make of that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:51, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done and done. Reginald lists the publisher of ''Coils'' as simply "Doubldeay & Co." which is distinct from Nelson Doubleday which is generally for book club editions. However, I can find no evidence for a Doubleday trade edition either in Worldcat, nor in {{P|197321|Amber Dreams: A Roger Zelazny Bibliography}}, so I have to assume that Reginald got the publisher slightly off. I did see your note earlier on the moderator board, but I had hoped someone else would have acted on that. Since the remove verification function was added, I appear to be the only moderator who has made use of it. Many years ago, before we had this function, I was inaccurately accused of deleting another editor's verifications, so I try to be careful with using it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:47, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's great Ron, thank you for taking the time to fix these :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:20, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Coven of Vampires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19403; I just added Archive.org link to 2007 HC and noticed the foreword is dated 1997-02-00, not 1998 like the Fedogan first editions, so it's likely a case of someone entering signed date instead of book date; date should be changed to 1998 but I'd like to know first from your PV expensive edition (cheap edition was transient) whether it's signed with the 1997 date. Also, foreword in 2007 HC is dated December 2006 so I don't know if it was updated; if it was, it should be split and given a title like Foreword to the 2006 Edition or something, I think. Lumley's bibliography, https://www.brianlumley.com/books/bibliography.html, mentions a chapbook with TP and "Clean Slate", an uncollected story. Does your copy include anything like that? They only say Subterranean but they may be wrong. Also, title page, which hasn't been updated in 15 years, mentions missing text in 1 story from the Hodder edition; there is none listed so was Hodder the parent of NEL? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The date was indeed from the signature on the essay, and I've corrected it. The signed edition only differs in the slipcase and the limitation page. I also believe the endpapers are different. I don't have any information on subsequent editions, but the foreword in the 2006 edition is the same as that in the F&B editions and did not have a 2006 date. I do have {{P|640485|Subterranean Press: Bibliography 1995 - 2015}} which mentions a chapbook issued with {{P|198273|the Subterranean edition}}. However, it gives the title of the chapbook as "A Coven of Vampires". It does not give contents. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:38, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Title-based awards ==<br />
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I have posted a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Awards_where_the_title_has_multiple_authors.2C_but_some_have_declined reply on the Community Portal]. Sorry about the delay -- it's a complicated area and I needed to address other issues before I could do the topic justice. Sometimes there are just too many balls in the air :-\ [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:10, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Absolutely no worries at all. The issues are certainly complicated. I've even thought of an additional wrinkle since my post. I'll respond in the main thread. Thanks, and also thanks for all the other balls you keep in the air!. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:42, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Simak - City ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as you're PV for {{P|350375|this pub}}, I can't find a 2010-06-00 instance of Gwyneth Jones' {{T|1297168|Introduction (City)}}. The pub itself is dated 2011-06-00, so this looks like a typo. What do you think?<br />
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While I'm here, and about the paper (not the ebook) editions of the Masterworks (II) series, you've verified many entries in this series which currently only state Gollancz as the imprint, missing that Orion is the publisher. Would you agree to me amending these to Gollancz / Orion? If you are agreeable, would you want to be notified of every instance of this specific type of edit, given that I always detail the change in the Moderator note? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:18, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev -<br />
:I'm not sure what to do about Jones' introduction. The Masterworks edition is definitely 2011. The 2010 date for the introduction is not from a signature or a typo. Instead, it is given a copyright date of 2010 (no month) on the the copyright page. I wonder if perhaps the introduction was published elsewhere in 2010 and re-used for this book. If that is the case, then we should date the introduction with the 2011-06-00 date as the title would have changed. I'd be OK with changing the date and adding a note on the title record that the copyright date is 2010 and the essay may have been published earlier. Please feel free to refine the publisher by adding the parent Orion imprint. Just be careful as some of the earlier volumes were published by Millennium as an imprint of Gollancz. Those may all be in the earlier numbered series. You can add a moderator note that I've agreed that this sort of change is OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:05, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think you mean Millennium as as imprint of Orion, but never mind and yes, I'm aware of the Millenium/Gollancz subleties in the first series. Thanks for the heads-up though.<br />
::If I'm inferring correctly, it's your copyright page that carries the copyright date of "2010" for the introduction so I think I'll put a brief note to that effect in your pub. I'll change the date at title level to 2011-06-00 and add a note there as well, to the same effect. That way we have all the angles covered.<br />
::Thanks for your agreement about adding the publisher in this second series, it'll save us a lot of reading :) and I'll reference this thread in the mod notes. Thanks again! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:16, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Drawing of the Three TP ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5723266; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1711477; Afterword on last page should be imported into this TP, I think. I added Archive.org link to first printing, January '90, of Signet PB, changed count from 463 to 464 with a note about last page being unnumbered, and imported afterword giving it a number of [464]; PV of that edition is gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:58, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:36, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 100 Years of OZ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331462; Copy on Archive.org, 2nd printing so I just added LCCN to 1st, but I noticed LoC says 159 pages, not 160, and back flap says Shaner was designer, not artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've removed the COVERART and added a note about the last page. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:36, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lafferty - The Best of R. A. Lafferty ==<br />
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Hello Ron, looking at {{P|698044|this pub}}, I see Gaiman's introduction on page ix, which doesn't fit with 446 pages. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:51, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I submitted the following edit on this edition: Submitting four web page reviews, correcting pages (adding prefatory page in lower-case roman numeral), & adding Gollancz to pub note. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 06:28, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for sorting that out Mike. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:55, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I corrected the pagecount from ix to xiv and restored the line breaks in the notefield. Good find! Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:08, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== McAuley - The Secret of Life ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I've submitted an edit for {{P|916090|this pub}}, expanding notes and replacing cover. Do you think there's a case for making Paul McAuley the canonical name? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:04, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for letting me know about the changes. Changing Paul Mcauley to the canonical author would be a major undertaking. I believe that I've considered it before, but in looking over his bibliography, there are a large number of essays and reviews that are credited to "Paul J. McAuley". There are more than I would want to count, but my sense is that the longer name may be the most frequently used. If you want to press for a change, I'd suggest proposing it on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and see what others think. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your thoughts on that. I think I'd like to do an actual count to see if there really is a case to be made for change and to put it up to the community. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Now that the edit is up, do you think the novel page should be 5, not 3? I thought we use the page where the body of the works starts, rather than the titling page... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:42, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I've always considered a section title to be part of the novel. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:50, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Ok, fair enough :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:00, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Face ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737168; Old cover was the wrong one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doomsman / Telepower ==<br />
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I wonder if [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10660 this pv pub] is really an omnibus. Probably none of the titles appeared before as a single publication. The title length seem to be shortfiction. So I guess it could be an anthology? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 15:12, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It almost certainly was before my verification. I suspect that it was treated the same as Ace Doublez (see [[Template:TitleFields:TitleType|this help template]] under NOVEL) and which are commonly entered as OMNIBUS despite the length of their contents. Personally, I've no objection is you want to convert this to an anthology, but there are other active verifiers that you would want to contact before proceeding. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Far Future Calling ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5741322; Do you think adding subtitle from title page would be good since it's unique and doesn't appear on the cover? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:15, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, but I think one of the words is spelled wrong. Also, so as not to have to open another thread I'll mention here that I noticed you just upped a Fantasy Forest cover; one of your previous entries in that series had a cover by Macari, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=macari&type=Name, who started off with Jr. in his name and then used his middle initial and finally just went by Mario, which is the name his website is linked under. In case you want to decide who's the parent and link the other names. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:02, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::All fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:43, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moore / Scarlet Dream ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29005 Scarlet Dream] and will add pub month (Sept) to all associated records, state source (Locus #249) and add pub note: The story "Dust of Gods" is titled "Dust of the Gods" on copyright page and Table of Contents. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. You can add a note about the difference in title in the contents and copyright. Of course, the title should remain as it appears on the story's title page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:17, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Illustrated Frankenstein ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737334; What happened is I entered the new edition on August 9, you entered it on August 10, so when I made my edit it was a clone because yours didn't exist yet but since you're a mod you instantly approved yours while mine wasn't approved until nearly a week later. So I'll have to make another edit adding correctly spelled publisher, cover image, price, Archive.org link, and 3 more WorldCat links. I'll do that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Vinge - A Fire Upon the Deep ==<br />
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Hello Ron, {{T|1250274|Mitchell's map}} is mentioned in the notes {{P|548988|here}}, if you want to add it.<br />
Description of the map in my 4th printing: The map is divided into three; upper is titled "The Milky Way Galaxy (edge-on view)", lower is titled "The Milky Way Galaxy (disk plane)". The third is an inset, halfway down the page, and one of the labels is "Projection of OOB II proposed flightpath". Map is not credited and is unsigned.<br />
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This is the same map as in my copy of "Zones of Thought" where it is credited and signed. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:27, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. I've copied your text and added the map. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:38, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wilson Tucker / The Lincoln Hunters ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43095 The Lincoln Hunters] and will add the Author's Note and pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:11, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Made in Goatswood: New Tales of Horror in the Severn Valley ==<br />
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● I recently read [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21046 Made in Goatswood: New Tales of Horror in the Severn Valley] and I have added the illustrations and I have put them in their proper order. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:28, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, November 2014 (cover) ==<br />
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Can you please check the date on {{T|2321509|this title}} from your verified {{P|649810|The Weird Fiction Review, Fall 2017}}? The date is given as 1914-11-00, yet the title has "November 2014". Should the date be 2014-11-00? If not, then the author needs to be disambiguated as the {{A|Garry Brown}} record is for an artist born in 1981. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:12, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. I used to enter dates for reprints with the date of the original appearance. Although, here there was clearly a typo. My logic was that the differences in name (the disambiguation of "(cover)") and title type are purely artificial. However, when it was discussed, I could not convince the other editors. As a consequence, there are many years worth of edits where the dates I entered reflect the original appearance. So, in this case, I changed it to the date of its reprint in the magazine. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:22, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantastic, February 1969 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5738987 this submission] that impacts your verified pub. Looking at an Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/Fantastic_v18n03_1969-02/page/n143/mode/2up scan], the submitter's Note to Moderator is correct. However, those two reviews should be credited to just Skinner in my opinion. If you are agreeable, I will reject this submission, but edit the pub to change the credit on the last two reviews to Skinner, add a pub note explaining the situation, and add a link to the Internet Archive scan. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:32, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree with your assessment that those two reviews should be credited to Skinner alone. Thanks.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:46, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Changes made as discussed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:41, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 12:26, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yoh-Vombis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747431; Vornoff, who entered this, hasn't been around for 3 years so no use asking them. You've entered a lot of these old pulps so I figured you could flesh this out after my edit's approved. Seems odd that Don Herron would be involved and yet the publisher is Heron but it's there on the title page (I discovered the correct name because Margo Skinner has a 1990 poetry collection on FantLab which also has Heron). It's also odd he's credited for art because he only has 1 other credit here. Biblio.com seller says it's unknown binding but gives the dimensions as huge, so if it is paper it would probably be TP, and as you can see the price was crossed out and a new one written in but neither matches what's here. Also, page count varies online but is usually much less than what's here. So lots of discrepancies. A real copy would be useful but I'm guessing this is pretty rare. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:50, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No help I'm afraid. I checked Chalker/Owings for both Dawn Herron and Dawn Heron, but it's not listed there. I've no special knowledge about the author. Good luck. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Return of the Sorcerer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747664; Last few pages are unnumbered publication history so I adjusted the count. Also, the ID you added has 2 other records under "see all formats and editions" that have the wrong date. Should those be added, too? Do they count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:54, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Both of the Worldcat records refer to different ISBNs. It seems unlikely that Prime would have have published a collection with a different contents and using the same title. Wildside certainly may have done so. Regardless, the copyright dates for the cover, introduction and for the collection itself are all 2009 so it seems unlikely that the Wildside book is the same collection. I don't know what to make of the second Prime record. I suppose the 2008 date could either be a typo, or a street date that isn't reflected in the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:51, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starswarm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747770; Should publisher have New American Library added to it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Per [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher|this help template]], it can be, but it's not required. Since the record predates my verification, and the publisher is within the rules, I never considered changing it. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:57, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Michaelmas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749051; It's by Algis J. Budrys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:16, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FAoWW ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753273; "About" essays at the end aren't on contents page and have no numbers but they're in the contents here; should they have brackets around their numbers and should +[4] be added to page count? Or should essays just be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Penguin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753361; Title page doesn't include the word Volume; [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/wsAAAOSw5OVhnpKC/s-l1600.jpg]. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thomas - The Crystal Button ==<br />
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Hello Ron, looking at the edit history for {{P|211249|this pub}} it's not apparent where the improbable page count came from. Does this look to you as though someone was correcting the page count (to xiv+302) but forgot to delete the previous count of xiii? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:49, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That sounds likely and fits with the Worldcat record. I can double check Bleiler when I get home next week. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:41, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That would be good, thanks. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 01:36, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::''Science-Fiction: The Early Years'' does not appear to have page counts. I've corrected the record to match Worldcat. Thanks for finding the error. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:09, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== <b>Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2</b> ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:01, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I’m out of town for another week. If you don’t get a response from one of the other verifiers by then, I will check. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:45, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out though. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:43, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nyarlathotep Cycle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5758166; Series changed to #14. Other number entered previously is catalog ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I’m holding this until I return home next week and can check the book. You really should have sought agreement from all the verifiers before submitting this edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:24, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I had a feeling you'd say that. I'll cancel the edit and do it again with just the link although the numbering is correct because the date follows #13. When you return you can look into it and if you decide to change it just add my name to the notes as the one who discovered it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:51, 1 September 2023 (EDT)--<br />
:::No, the numbering submitted with your edit is not correct. There is nowhere in the book that lists it as #14 in the Cthulhu Cycle publication series. The blog you linked to appears to be conflating what we have as two different publication series {{PS|1744|Cthulhu Cycle}} and {{PS|1742|Call of Cthulhu Fiction}} both of which have some overlap. This book lists the latter series on the spine and lists a series number of 6019. All books in the Cycle series also list Call of Cthulhu Fiction. Further, it describes the book as a "Cycle Book" on the back cover. This is how all of the preceding Cthulhu cycle books are described on the back cover except for {{P|5244|The Book of Iod}}. ''The Nyarlathotep Cycle'' appears to be the last book to use the term "Cycle Book", excepting the second edition of {{P|276907|The Hastur Cycle}} which is stated as book 6020 in the Cthulhu Cycle series. So, the record is correct before your attempted edits. We could add the MultiPubS template which I don't believe existed when these books were added.<br />
:::I do have to ask that if you predicted that I would complain that you should have sought verifier approval '''before''' submitting these edits, why then did you submit them without first seeking that approval? You've been told many times before about the requirement for pre-notification, and your anticipation of my complaint makes it clear that you were aware of the requirement. And yet, you submitted anyway. If you feel the requirement for pre-notification should be changed, you could certainly propose such a change at the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page. However, you cannot continue to ignore standards. Please don't do it again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::There's something you may have noticed called "Cancel submission" at the end of every edit. I think after more than two-and-a-half years it should be obvious to those who approve my edits that most of them, including the ones that sit around for weeks or months unnecessarily, are correct, certainly far more often than a lot of the others here I could name, so the occasional "incorrect" one like this (assuming the series stuff you wrote above is correct) doesn't bother me when I have to cancel it. I like to actually see something on the page rather than just an abstract note; I don't have time to wait around and try to remember which of the myriad PV here are still active/alive (because many of them stopped editing long ago but none of you actually marked their pages with a "no longer active" so people are still leaving them messages years later) or are in the process of moving/finished moving but haven't unpacked their books yet or are going into hospital/coming out of hospital or don't care about their edits anymore/hate one or more of the other people here and are holding a grudge, etc. etc. etc. Nothing is permanent here, any inadvertent edit can be reversed with the click of a button. While you've been away on vacation or wherever you were a mod "fixed" a couple of edits of mine that they approved without asking my opinion about the fixes and in both cases they were wrong so I politely asked them to undo their edits and they did so. I stopped editing after Labor Day and plan on not doing any edits until 10/1 and ending on 10/31 (HALLOWEEN!) which is my favorite time of the year. After that, I can't really see myself doing this any longer because, as I've said many times, nobody cares; print books were mostly abandoned on this site long before I started here with only myself and a few others working on them regularly (and some of them don't exactly enter their edits very carefully and I have to fix them) and the majority of edits these days are for e-books and other ephemera which don't interest me because one or more of the people running this site are clearly more interested in having Amazon links in the records that people can click on and bring in cash. By the time I'm done I should have well over 60,000 edits including thousands of Archive.org links so that should keep people occupied long after I'm gone with adding to what I did, as I know some here like to detail every little thing. In the meantime, I have 1,200+ pending edits so hopefully those will be mostly approved by the time I start editing again next month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Aside from the fact that you've interacted with me and am well aware that I am active, every publication has a list of verifiers with a date they were last active, so stating that you had no idea whether pre-notification was required in this or any other instance is disingenuous. In fact, you admit that you anticipated the complaint showing that you were conscious that you were doing was going against the standards. Stating that you don't have time to wait for a reply, which is a requirement that rest of the community abides by, shows contempt for our rules. How other edits were handled, the number of edits pending, your favorite season and your plans for not editing or quitting the project are immaterial to this discussion. If you disagree with the policy, try to get it changed. You cannot continue to ignore the policy because you find it inconvenient. Do not do it again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:40, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::You seem to be a very angry person judging by your responses to me and many other discussions you've had with other editors that I've read in the message board archives going back to several years ago; perhaps you don't enjoy doing this anymore and should find something else to do that makes you happy. Also, my edit adding series # was cancelled and, like I said, I made another one just adding the archived link which is most important, anyway, because it allows people to actually read the book themselves, so I'm not sure what you're still complaining about. Most of my edits are approvable without any issues but to hear you talk you'd think that almost all of my edits are a problem, not to mention that most of the ones you skip over because you think there's something wrong with them end up getting approved by other mods; as I've said before, my correction of edits related to you, whether entered by you personally or approved for someone else, far outweighs anything you have to do re: me, and you've been here far longer than I have. You (and most of the others here) are totally ungrateful and help me with absolutely nothing, only chiming in when you can find something to complain about. Also also, I do think the fact that I have lost interest in editing due to the attitude of others here and the complete breakdown in getting edits approved in a timely fashion because of the huge backlog due to the disorganization behind the scenes and the disastrous recent server move will be a problem soon because, as I said above, I'm one of the very few who edit for print books on a regular basis, not to mention that the number of my edits is usually several times that of all the edits by other editors combined, and in addition to all the new material I've added I've also fixed countless mistakes which apparently none of the thousands of other editors who came before me ever noticed or cared to fix; once I'm gone I seriously doubt anyone else is going to take up the mantle and continue doing that. I also don't appreciate the implied threat at the end of your message; don't do that again. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:59, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Again, your speculations about my mood, complaints about how the project is run, your perceived lack of gratitude, etc. are completely unrelated to the subject we're discussing. I've informed you of the policy. You have stated that "I don't have time to wait around and try to remember which of the myriad PV here are still active/alive..." indicating that you have no intention of following the policy. I don't see how insisting that you must follow the policy is a threat. Again, do not submit edits making substantive changes to records with active verifiers without first seeking their approval. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:06, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Companhy of Battered Women ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757949 this edit] that would impact your verified pub. It looks like a database typo, but wanted to get your confirmation before accepting. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:51, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. I’m out of town until next week. I’ll check when I get home. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It's a typo and the edit is good. Please go ahead and approve. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:39, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Great Ghost Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?372164; I just entered the 1971 Books for libraries reprint and there's vii Roman pages, not xii, since it's a copy of the original I assume yours is the same (as are the 2 copies on Archive.org) and should also be changed to vii. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:54, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:42, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Naomi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#Naomi; PV disagrees with you about the date so you can discuss that with him if you want to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:24, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Turner - The Sea and Summer ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Turner_-_The_Sea_and_Summer this query] and leave a comment there? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:57, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edgar Rice Burroughs: Master of Adventure interior art ==<br />
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I imported all the interior art into the 1968 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11955 Edgar Rice Burroughs: Master of Adventure] from the 1975 edition when I confirmed on the Internet Archive copy of the 1968 one that the list of illustrations is identical. Then I deleted the comment that the frontispiece by Crandall and Williamson is unidentified, as all the illos are credited on the list. (The frontispiece is used as the cover of the even later Bison Press edition, and I knew I'd seen it in my old copy of the '68 edition.)--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 07:49, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thundercats ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=thundercats+random&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; Copies are available to fill in missing info like prices, cover artists, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - Second Foundation ==<br />
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Hello Ron, regarding {{P|471791|this pub}}, do you think the Pages field should be [10]+210, and the Prolog as page [7] (with piping to make it [7]|0.1) ? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:00, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll go ahead and make that change. However, the Prolog is listed as page vii in the table of contents and there is an ongoing [[User talk:Nihonjoe#1634: The Bavarian Crisis|discussion]] on exactly this topic, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone wants to revisit this in the future. Personally, I'm not fond of the bracketed page counts and probably would have entered this as "bp" had I created the record. I'm guessing that I cloned the A state record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:59, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for fixing that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:40, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Other Aliens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?623866; There was a copy uploaded last year so I linked it; maybe you'd like to verify stories or poems per your note and enter the page numbers, too, if you care to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Flashing Swords #7 ==<br />
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Ron, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5769794 this submission], by the author, looks to correct a typo in your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961971 verified pub]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:39, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's a duplicate submission. See [[#In the Companhy of Battered Women|above]]. [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] is holding the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757949 prior submission] and I informed them it was OK to approve. I'll reach out to JLaTondre who may have missed my response. The duplicate submission should probably be rejected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:50, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Rejected , [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== All the Old Fringe Stuff .. ==<br />
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Quick question: You said (about my attempted modification of "All the Old Fringe Stuff You Need to Remember") that "The NONFICTION title record is a container title, which is required in a NONFICTION publication. You could add an ESSAY in the content section as a separate record." But what is the difference between this new entry, and all the other nonfiction essays about science fiction I have listed under "Essays" (not "Nonfiction") on my author's page? (Also, it may be worth mentioning that SciFi Wire was renamed SyFy Wire.) Thanks! [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 17:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi PaulLev<br />
:The reason that I rejected your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757579 edit] was that it would leave the publication record in an invalid state. Every publication record has a type, in this case NONFICTION and has a corresponding title record of the same type. You were attempting to change the type of the corresponding record from NONFICTION to ESSAY, which would leave the NONFICTION publication record without its corresponding title record. Looking further into the this record, I'm not certain whether it should have been created at all. The NONFICTION type is for book length works that are primarily nonfiction. It appears that what you originally added was an essay that appeared on a web site and I would guess that is why you chose webzine as the format of the nonfiction. Webzine is not commonly used as a format for NONFICTION. Now that I've looked more closely at the record in question, I'm not certain whether it falls within our [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|criteria]] for inclusion. I'm not particularly familiar with Sci Fi Wire and so have started a [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Sci Fi Wire/ SyFy Wire - webzine or website?|discussion]] on the community portal, seeking advice on whether this should be in or out. Please feel free to join in that discussion with your opinion. Hope that explains why the edit was rejected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:37, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks, Ron. I offered some info in the discussion on the community portal. [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 01:18, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rest of the Robots ==<br />
Hi -- just logged in for the first time in years and saw [[User_talk:Mike_Christie#Review_of_Asimov_in_February_1969_New_Worlds|this]]; sorry, I no longer have that issue -- I sold all my magazines except the Unknowns. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 19:06, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for the reply; sorry I couldn't be more helpful. By the way, I have just made an edit that's pending, to fix an error in Paul Di Filippo's bibliography; would you be able to take a look and let me know if I did it correctly? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:06, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Hi -- thanks for approving that. I've submitted a follow up, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5778761 here], that I think will finish the clean up. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 06:58, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:01, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks; I'll let Paul know. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:21, 29 September 2023 (EDT)</div>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== A Hand-Drawn Map of New Crobuzon - interior artwork by China Miéville ==<br />
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Hi Ron, I have a 12th printing of the 2011 edition of China's novel Perdido Street Station and I'm trying to sort out all the map references under different titles to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442912 his credited map here]. So I can make sure it's the same map, could you do me a favour and check for me:<br />
:China is definitely credited as the artist.<br />
:"New Crobuzon" appears as the title at bottom left.<br />
:4 points of the compass at top right.<br />
:Key (Skyrail, Railways, Woodland) at bottom right.<br />
:Scale (2 miles) at top left.<br />
If the map is the same as the one I have, I think several changes would be in order.<br />
:'Your' map pub date is 2013-10-00 - I think this should be a variant of the original map pub title/date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 - see here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19616 and here].<br />
:Further, a search on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crobuzon&type=All+Titles on Crobuzon] shows Hitspacebar (in his 2014 entry) to be the only one titling the map correctly according to the Help guidelines.<br />
:Accordingly and if you think it's correct, I propose changing the titles of all the maps to "New Corbuzon (map) (2000-03-00) by China Miéville (as by uncredited)" and varianting your 2013 title to that.<br />
I hope this all makes sense - the maps are a mess :) Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:18, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi BanjoKev<br />
:I also have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?311532 7th Del Rey printing]. The map in the World Fantasy Convention book is definitely a different map than that published in the Del Rey editions. It is credited to Miéville insofar as it is part of a collection of his drawings with a paragraph explaining when and why he drew them. While I don't believe it's mentioned in the help pages, there is a de facto standard of naming INTERIORART records by their caption when present, which is why the hand drawn map is named as it is. Thus, the 2013 map should not be re-titled or made a variant of the other maps.<br />
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::That's great! Could you add a note to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1713854 title record] so that this doesn't get messed up in future? --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I see you've done that already, thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:41, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:The map in the Del Rey edition matches your description with the exception that there is no artist credited. The map is not currently listed in the publication record of my copy. I agree with you that this map should be titled "New Crobuzon (map)" (correcting a small typo). Since you're working on this, I'll hold off on adding it to my publication until after you've determined the title and original date of the other maps. I do suspect that it occurs in all the Del Rey editions. You can go ahead and import the ultimate title record for the map to the 7th Del Rey edition. Alternatively, you can let me know once you're done merging that maps and I can do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:11, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::So, your different map is the only one credited to China - all the rest are uncredited. I'll sort all this out, including the 7th Del Rey and let you know when it's all done. Many thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've completed all the changes needed for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 all the maps], including your 7th Del Rey printing. The only loose end is the map & novel pagination in yours if you'd do the honours. Thanks for your help, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:52, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forest J. Ackerman credits ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest+J.+Ackerman&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Rtrace&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication verified Forest J Ackerman] pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} as opposed to {{A|Forrest J. Ackerman}}, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Both lacked the period after the middle initial and I've changed them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:09, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:40, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Moon Maiden ==<br />
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Dear sir:<br />
I am fond of Garrett P. Serviss. In fact, I have read all his works (but The Moon Maiden) and I am translating them into Spanish for first time (e.g. https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B09NRJTWT3).<br />
I have not managed to get a text of The Moon Maiden in any format and I have not been able to find Argosy 1915 not in paper nor scanned. I tried everything! <br />
Could you, please, somehow, hand me a scanned version (or pictured by phone or any mean) of the pages of Argosy May 1915 where it was first published? Nothing I can offer in exchange but gratitude and, if you wish, credit.<br />
Best regards.<br />
Rubene Guirauta (RubeneGuirauta@gmail.com){{unsigned|Lidenbrock}} <br />
:Hi Rubene<br />
:Unfortunately, I do not own a copy of that issue of Argosy. I think you may have gotten the impression that I do because of the secondary verifications that I have marked on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?277246 the publication record]. What I have verified is that Bleiler's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1280738 Science-Fiction: The Early Years]'', Clute and Nicholls ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102324 Encyclopedia of Science Fiction]'' and Tuck's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102393 The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy]'' all mention that issue of Argosy. Without rechecking each of those references, I suspect the issue is listed because of the Serviss story, the Franklin story, or both. As I'm sure you are aware, there is a later publication of the novel by Crawford/FPCI, but again, I don't possess a copy and have only verified its existence through secondary sources. I did also look for that issue of Argosy at [https://archive.org/ the Internet Archive], which does have scans of many pulps, but unfortunately not the one you're looking for. Good luck with your project, and I'm sorry I couldn't be more help. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:55, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Hi Ron<br />
::Thank you very much for your answer. I understand the role of verificator... but I had to make this attempt, there was a chance you could have it. It is really a challenge to find this issue of Argosy (or the edition of 1978 of The Moon Maiden). I have tried in Internet Archive, Hathi Trust, Library of Congress and others, and in second hand sellers (Abebooks, eBay, Facebook groups...) unsuccessfully. In case in future (this quest is going to last, I am afraid) you could get any information, copy, scan, picture or any clue, please let me know. Best regards. Rubene.<br />
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== Heroic Fantasy frontispiece artist ==<br />
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There's an unentered frontispiece in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16965 Heroic Fantasy] that has a signature that I don't know how to interpret. Do you? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:20, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is that an "R G K" which may indicate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?901 Roy G. Krenkel]? He did do some covers for DAW. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:37, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon image for Assassin's Price ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan from my copy for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657176 Assassin's Price] by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lovecraft's Notes ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20222766M/Some_notes_on_H.P._Lovecraft.; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281745; OL cover has the price on it; alternate? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I don't think it's an alternate. My copy has the price and I've replaced the image with a scan of my copy. Given the date of the previous upload, I was probably replacing an unstable Amazon image and may have just saved theirs and re-uploaded. I don't know what publication the image without a price represents. Chalker/Owings mentions two subsequent editions. There was a library edition published without imprint by people associated with the University of Wisconsin. However C/O states that it was bound in green cloth and issued without a jacket. There was also a 1982 edition from Necronomicon Press, but their publications are usually larger in size. In any case, the image is now correct. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:00, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Wizard of Maldoone ==<br />
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Ron, Any objection to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 to CHAPBOOK]? While approving the addition of the softcover, I looked at the scan in the internet archive. There is no way this is 40,000 words. I'm checking since you entered the hc edition and added the secondary verifications. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:30, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No objection at all. I've only verified from secondary sources. Reginald uses the terms "novel" or "story" for length and I believe has different thresholds for these terms than ours. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whispers, 1987 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289107; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/219866_3; I added FantLab ID to digest edition; Russell story says "Kolorized" on contents page, not "Kolarized", and Eisenstein story says "Weasling", not "Weaseling". 1 seems like contents may be right, the other one seems like a misspelling. So if you can check your HC copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It looks like [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] has already taken care of the correction and explained the contents error. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:07, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pearl Pumpkin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342293; Halloween, not Haloween, according to title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:31, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:08, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baxter - Raft ==<br />
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Hi Ron, just noticed your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664698 Raft]. My later printing pagination is x-245 - perhaps yours is a typo? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:57, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Not a typo. The last numbered page in my copy is 246. The last page has the author bio and is numbered. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:43, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Black Sorcerer ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you moderate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5568056 this submission] please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:59, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Done. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thank you Ron! That record solves a lot of problems. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:14, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Walter Wiggins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5567353; Isn't that a title page photo in the AbeBooks link I provided in the moderator note, with a Jr. on it? Also, I re-did the other edit of mine you rejected recently re: changing Charnal to Charnel with the page that says Charnel House on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:19, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:So it does. I've changed the author's name which allowed me to approve your original edit without losing data. Just keep in mind, that when you change the last reference to an author's name in a publication or title, the software deletes the old author record and creates a new one. Thus, any data on the old author record is lost. No need to inform me about the re-issued edit, it will come up in the queue be handled by whoever is working it at the time. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Honestly, you're the main handler of my edits these days; some mods have quit recently, at least for the time being, others just do a few of my edits now and then that you skip for one reason or another. Dirk used to do a lot of mine until recently (he used to do a lot in my early days but got mad at me and stopped doing them for awhile) when he got mad at somebody else on these boards and decided to take a break until 2024, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Acceptable_moderator_behavior.3F, and JLaTondre and Ahasuerus used to do a bunch when they had the time but they're so busy doing site stuff that it rarely happens anymore. So odds are you'll be the one to approve that specific edit and you'll know why I provided the zine link because you're the one who rejected it and asked for proof; someone else may be unclear why I'm adding something like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::As it turns out, I was the one who worked that edit. However, the title wasn't correct for what was in the scan. I've corrected it and it's fine now. If I'm the only one working the queue, then that's a problem. As I am going on vacation starting tomorrow, I will be approving few if any edits in the next 10 days. I do see other moderators approving edits other than their own in the recent approvals page. I'm not surprised that other moderators skip some of your edits. I do that myself when you've failed to notify primary verifiers, or not provided sufficient sources for your edit. I also skip them in cases where the research required to approve your edit is more than I have time for while I'm working the queue. In the past, I have held your submissions and left notes on your talk page, but this invariably results in arguments that you feel you don't need to notify or document. I'm tired of making the same arguments each time, so I choose to ignore these edits. I will still reject or hold edits that are destructive, or that introduce potentially incorrect data. I can't speak as to why others skip your edits, but this has been my experience. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:25, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I'm fully aware of why you skip certain of my edits, although in almost all cases whatever I did in those edits ends up being approved by others because it was correct; most of my edits end up being approved by you, anyway, so the ones you skip are in the minority. As I've said before, with the massive amount of edits I do (more than almost any other non-moderator in the history of this site, and that's in just 2 years or so) I don't expect every one of them to be approved; a few always fall by the wayside. In the case of the Charnel House thing, I see that you added those secondary verifications you mentioned which had the incorrect "Charnal", but the scan of the issue at hand has been available on Archive.org for many years, so really before adding those verifications less than a year ago you could easily have checked all info in the magazine itself and would have discovered this problem and fixed it yourself instead of me having to fix it like I've had to fix thousands of other things on this site (and I suspect there are many other Cemetery Dance mistakes on ISFDB since so many different people have worked on the 70+ issues). Re: Dirk, he used to do a lot of mine, didn't like the fact that I questioned some of his rejections, and decided to stop, but started again last year, then stopped completely because of his problems with other mods, including both of those I mentioned above and a few others, questioning him. Apparently he has a problem with being questioned. Other mods just don't have the time because the server move created such a big mess they spend most of their time bug-fixing. I'm sure there's a couple that have some personal grudge against me because I'm not an ass-kisser who bows and scrapes so they can get themselves self-moderator status and that's why they rarely approve anything of mine (although they still do occasionally, usually for edits that have some minor problem they can complain about) but honestly, who cares, 43,000 edits and counting. I'm an amateur just doing this to pass the time; I have no time for any of the personal issues so many on here seem to have. As I go through old board messages I can see that many of the angry people who still edit on this site behaved the same way LONG before I started here, so really none of this has anything to do with me. Also, if you ever feel upset about a few of my edits not being exactly done right, just remember how many countless edits either approved by you for others or entered by you personally I've had to fix. Do I complain about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. I should be a self-approver here and I expect you agree with that. I prefer to be nominated by a longtime heavy-duty contributor, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if you, plural, is available, ready and willing in the next ~20 hours. I write to a couple others too.<br />
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A couple hours ago, you approved this morning's creation of a parent Nancy Drew collection as by "unknown", noted "1st of 5 this collection". Recently I had deleted the other four, and several more, upon suddenly recognizing that it only creates more work to Make parent titles without attending first to the Juvenile tag, among other things. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:39, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Wind's Twelve Quarters and The Compass Rose ==<br />
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Hi Ron, is [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THWNDSTWLC0000.jpg this image] any use for your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523721 PV here]?<br />
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Same for this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THMNWHFLLD0000.jpg image] for yours [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567977 here]. Kev.<br />
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: Better yet, I can upload to your pubs "your-pub-specific" images which are exactly the same as the Amazon ones if that's ok with you. I'm trying to avoid linked images like the plague now, I did a test to find out the bad things that can happen with linked images. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:41, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I don't worry that much about Amazon images except for the ones known to be unstable. I do know with the SF Masterworks they've frequently had images that differ slightly from the printed copies, but not in this case. However, if you're more comfortable, I can link to your images. No need to duplicate them in the server. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:46, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Demons By Daylight ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/demonsbydaylight0000camp; Does this require a separate entry, having the $6.00 sticker you mention in your notes, or should I just add it to your PV? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:10, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No need for a separate publication record. None of the secondary sources ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983721 Chalker/Owings], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?971274 Jaffery], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?152881 Nielsen], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?709492 Joshi]) mention a change in price, though I'm sure that is what this is. My copy is one of the ones with the sticker. However, the addition of a sticker isn't really a new publication. I've gone ahead and added the link to the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Visions ==<br />
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You verified a {{P|792984|3rd printing}}. I'd like to verify the {{P|278195|4th}} but I have some updates to the contents which are likely the same in your printing:<br />
* artwork on page ii is same as on page 260. I would change the latter to the same title.<br />
* artwork on page 42 is not listed. We could call this "Robot Visions [12]"<br />
* page 82 should say 83<br />
I can update both printings if you're in agreement. Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:13, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:All these changes are fine, except for the repeated artwork on pages ii and 260. A single title record cannot occur twice in the same publication. Thus if you renamed the artwork on page 260 to "Robot Visions" and then tried to merge the two INTERIORART titles, it would create a problem. What we want to do instead is to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?954582 Robot Visions (8)] (changed brackets to parentheses for the wiki markup only) into a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?645229 Robot Visions]. Please feel fee to proceed with the changes. I can help with the variant if you're not familiar with how to do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the help. I found instructions on making variants and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 went ahead]. Hope I got that right. Once that lands I'll go ahead with the edits to both pubs. I could use a clue on creating the new art title "Robot Visions [12]." My guess is I just put that in when editing a publication, and a title entry is automatically created in the db? [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::By sheer coincidence, Robot Visions is next up on my pile and this thread came up on my watchlist. I have the VGSF [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227061 1st printing] if I can be of any assistance :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:34, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Does your book have the same interior art? If so you could add them to the contents, once we're done with the title changes. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Not the same. I'll use your pagination for clarity (mine is different).<br />
::::* Yours has 11 pages of interiorart, mine has 12.<br />
::::* My art in the stories agrees with your pages: ii, 3, 24, 51, 82, 123, 235, 245, 343, 359, 401.<br />
::::* Mine also has art in "Too Bad!" (a couple looking at a robot they're considering buying). It would be good if you would allow a gap for this in your numbering(?) system, so that this one can fit in nicely with the sequence when I add it.<br />
::::* The art for "The Bicentennial Man" is the same as at your ii.<br />
::::* My book pagination is correct at 383 pages and it's counted from the very first page inside the front cover. The first numbered page is page 7 and the Introduction starts on page 9. There are no pages with Roman numerals, as yours has.<br />
::::[edit] It might be a good idea to put a brief description of the art in the title records when the dust has settled, to aid identification and guard against publishers swapping the art around. Let me know if there's anything else. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Kev, [https://photos.app.goo.gl/CrMbkK7oU1AnS3GU7 here are photos] of all the art in {{P|278195|my book}} if you want to compare with yours. If you were comparing with what isfdb currently says, I'm sorry, I haven't fixed that yet. (I'll let you know.) I love your idea of describing the art in the notes. I mean, unless there's a way to put in actual pictures (Ron?) then notes are needed to make the entries useful so I will add some. My book does indeed have roman numerals, only on the TOC pages oddly enough. ymmv. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 14:59, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::I wouldn't suggest linking to scans of the artwork, which is under copyright. I do have a suggestion, though it is a bit more work. There are a few ways that INTERIORART can be named. Here we have named it after the title of the collection, with a numeric disambiguator added to all but the first title. However, we could name each INTERIORART with the title of the story where the artwork occurs (and for which it presumably illustrates). Thus, we would avoid having to name a missed record our of sequence (Robot Visions [12]), and it would also go some way to describe each title. This would make a description less necessary, but it can still be added if desired. I would recommend naming the artwork on page ii as "Robot Visions (frontispiece)" while still making it's repeat on page 260 a variant. The only drawbacks to this, are that it's a bunch of edits, and we would want to notify the active primary verifiers of all the editions. Actually, it looks that aside from us three, that would only include [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]. We should also probably break the variant relationship for the Portuguese title. That title appears to be for all the artwork for the book and not just the frontispiece. This should be checked with the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:12, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::Thanks for the suggestion Ron. I'm willing to tackle this. I was going to edit all the titles anyway so renaming them along the way doesn't seem like much more work. I think it's ok to start with the variant business you proposed above? As I said up there (but easily missed because I foolishly inserted it in the middle of the thread) I already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 a submission] in for that. And as I asked up there, to create a title one just adds it to a publication, and if it doesn't match an existing title a new entry is created? Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 19:45, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Sorry, I meant to answer that. But it sounds like you've got it. Just edit the publication and use the add title button. After you've added it to one publication, you can use the import tools to get it in the other publications. You'll need the Title Record # from either the newly added title (after it is approved), if you want to add an individual title, or you can import all the titles from the container that has the new one. The software is smart enough that it doesn't try to import titles that are already there, so you'll catch anything missing from the target record that is in the source record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:00, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
(unindent) Good idea putting the photos up for me to identify! It does take us a little further down the wormhole though.<br />
* We've each got all 12 artworks.<br />
* My versions of your p.37 (Too Bad!) & p.359 (Galley Slave) have been horizontally reversed - not that that matters to our titling, but it's a nice little observation to include in the ''Publication Notes'' if they're different from your description in the canonical title - for instance, in my publication notes I would add "The image for [........] has been reversed in this collection". This led me to consider how you would describe the art depiction in the ''Title Records''#. The only thing I could come up with to overcome the 'direction' would be something like, for p.37, "....Robot facing ''page-right''." and similarly for p.359. It's a bit more difficult with a couple of others... For the frontispiece (good one Ron) and p.260, the best indicator is the lighting on the robot's hand to ''page-left'': brighter than the other one. For p.235 something like "...top of head hinged up towards ''page-left''."<br />
* I like the titling method: "Robot Visions (frontispiece)", "Robot Visions (Introduction: The Robot Chronicles)" ...etc. This will cover all eventualities I think.<br />
*:Not precisely what I was suggesting. For the artwork on page 3, I would name it "Introduction: The Robot Chronicles"; "Robot Visions" for page 24, "Too Bad!" for page 42, etc. This is how these would be handled if this were a magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:24, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
I appreciate the work you're putting into this, I'm sure the end result will be rewarding :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: It's good practice doing different kinds of edits. I drafted [[User_talk:Fjh#The_Robot_Visions_McQuarrie_INTERIORART_Project_:.29|descriptions]] for each piece of art, if anyone wants to suggest improvements before I start submitting them. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 15:14, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I think you've done a pretty good job of meeting your goals there! Here are some suggestions for you:<br />
::* Too Bad! - "...glasses at left and man at right standing..." - i.e. lose the brackets.<br />
::* The Bicentennial Man - again, lose the brackets, plus:<br />
:::* Make this the canonical and the frontispiece the variant - if a publisher is going to drop one of them, it'd probably be the frontispiece - yes/no?.<br />
:::* "Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket."<br />
::* frontispiece - "Same illustration as for The Bicentennial Man. Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket." - the use of 'variant' could be misconstrued?<br />
:: The other nine descriptions are excellent, and I also like Ron's magazine-like title treatment. Hope this helps.<br />
:: Btw Ron, how much do we owe you for the rent? :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:16, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::No charge. My talk page is your talk page. I just appreciate you and [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] doing all this work. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for the suggestions Kev. Unfortunately by the time I saw them some edits had already landed. You can of course edit again. Sorry too for my long absence, but I am still working on this and eager to wrap it up. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 14:59, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::No problem, thanks for the update. Like you, I'm waiting for the edits to land :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:10, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Now that the dust has settled, may I make some suggestions, beginning with what I think might be a more elegant way of handling the frontispiece...<br />
:::::::* Change "Robot Visions" to either "The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)" or "The Bicentennial Man (as frontispiece)" - your p.ii<br />
:::::::* Make "The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)" a variant of "The Bicentennial Man" - your p.260<br />
:::::::* Change "Robot Visions [3]" to "Robot Visions" - your p.24<br />
::::::At present, all the McQuarrie titles carry a 1990-00-00 date, I'd like to change that to the 1st printing date {{P|203401|1990-04-00}}<br />
::::::Add image descriptions to the title pages for (your) pps ii, 24, 260.<br />
::::::Add the source of the cover art credit to your notes.<br />
::::::If you're in agreement, I'll make the changes. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:24, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::For the title of the artwork on my page ii, I would have named this "Robot Visions (frontispiece)". The naming of the artwork is dependent on where it is located, and in this instance it is nowhere near "The Bicentennial Man". It is the frontispiece of the book as a whole. That being said, I've no objection to the current variant relationship being reversed. I think what you're getting at here is that the artwork illustrates the story. If {{T|954582|The Bicentennial Man}} were the parent title, the fact that is re-used as the frontispiece to the book is a little more obvious. <br />
:::::::I agree that "Robot Visions [3]" should be simply "Robot Visions", provided that we use the "(frontispiece)" disambiguator to the artwork on page ii.<br />
:::::::I've no objections to adding descriptions or source of artist credits.<br />
:::::::While I actually agree with you about the dates, it's against ISFDB policy. The first printing has a {{T|645229|single title}} for all artwork in the book. Each of the individual artwork titles should carry the date of the first time they appeared in our records as individual titles. Right now, they should have the unknown date (0000-00-00). If the overall title in the first printing were replaced with the individual titles, then we could date them 1990-04-00. You could try contacting [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] through the email system (his preference for contact) to see if he is amenable to changing to the individual records. It looks like there is a scan of the book, so we wouldn't need him to provide us with the page numbers. Failing that, you could add them to the {{P|178053|Gollancz}} printing, and we could then use a 1990-09-00 date. I had argued previously that differences in disambiguators or title type (COVERART reprinted as INTERIORART) should carry the date of the original appearance. However, the consensus on that issue went the other way. Thus, we'll need to stick with the earliest appearance as individual titles. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:49, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Hello Ron, I borrowed a copy of the {{P|203401|1990-04-03 Roc hc}} and have started editing it. Also, I've just taken delivery of the {{P|178053|1990-09-13 Guild/Gollancz hc}} (yes, that's the date) - so all things will lead to the sunny uplands from here. I'm tracking all the things which need to be done and so, if you're in agreement, I can make all the necessary changes to {{P|792984|your pub}} (and {{P|278195|fjh's}} too, if he's agreeable). Once those four are in alignment, I'll go on to sort out all the other Robot Visions on the db. If I step off the lighted path, please let me know :) And thanks for all your good advice. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:15, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== plan/progress ===<br />
* done: {{T|954582|pg. 260 art}} is a variant of {{T|645229|pg. ii art}}. {{P|792984|3rd}} and {{P|278195|4th}} printing notes already say these are the same picture.<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art and fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|278195|4th printing}}<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* done: fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* done: add descriptive note to {{T|3146409|new art title}}.<br />
* rename and describe all other interior art:<br />
** [4] Robbie [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5587750 done]<br />
** [2] Introduction: The Robot Chronicles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608873 pending]<br />
** [5] Reason [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608874 pending]<br />
** [6] Runaround [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608876 pending]<br />
** [7] Feminine Intuition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608879 pending]<br />
** [8] The Bicentennial Man [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608893 pending]<br />
** [9] Lenny [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608897 pending]<br />
** [10] Galley Slave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608902 pending]<br />
** [11] Christmas Without Rodney [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608906 pending]<br />
* todo: investigate {{T|2374637|Portuguese title}}<br />
latest update [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 15:42, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258877; I added an Archive.org link in a pending edit to the second VGSF edition and cloned the 17th Roc printing for a 19th printing also on Archive.org, but "Too Bad!" was on p. 37, not p. 3. I fixed it in my edit but 17th has no PV (ChrisJ is only editor in the history) so if anyone has 17th they can fix that; editor also didn't enter Roman numeral (x) in page count so I added that in my edit, too. I'm sure 17th is the same as 19th and editor just made mistakes. 1st printing here has right number for "Too Bad!" but is missing the Roman numeral; PV, Viter, is long-gone so if anyone has that printing they can add the x if it's there, which I'm sure it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Early Asimov Book One ==<br />
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Thanks for moderating [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582810 my submission] to add the introduction to the contents.<br />
Unfortunately I did it wrong. A {{T|3145057|new title}} was created when I wanted to link to {{T|630321|this one}}.<br />
(I have both books in front of me and the contents are the same.)<br />
I don't suppose you have an undo function for that submission?<br />
If not then I think I need to:<br />
* "Remove Titles From This Pub" to get rid of what I just added<br />
* "Import Content" to add it back, as a link to the {{T|630321|existing title}}<br />
* delete the {{T|3145057|unwanted title}}, unless it magically evaporates when nothing links to it<br />
Appreciate your patience as I learn how to do things here. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:40, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No worries. This is actually easy to fix What you want to do is go to either title record and click on the Check for Duplicate Titles tool. This will bring up a list showing both titles. Check both boxes and then click the merge selected records button. There is another page where you would be able to see conflicts and decide what to do with them. In this case, there are none, so you can just click on Complete Merge. Once approved, both publications will have the same title. For your future information, what you wanted to do (i.e. what would have done this in a single edit) is to use the Import Content tool from the publication record. You would then use option 2 to import an individual title. Let me know if you run into any problems. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:23, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: done! that was easy, thanks [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:04, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Masque of Mañana ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584480; Does the ISBN-13 on back cover barcode count? Note says there's none in the second printing, just the ISBN-10 from the original edition. I just fixed the printing wording in the note to what it really says on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'd say no. All of the copyright page and the stated ISBNs above and below the barcode show the 10 digit ISBN. That's probably Don's note, and I suspect it was added because this would have shown up on the cleanup report. However, it's long since been marked as ignored, and removed from that report. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:34, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baby ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409130; I made an edit in 2021 for this, you just made an edit, the Archive.org copy is an uncorrected proof with a higher page count (someone actually wrote in page numbers with a pen), so is it acceptable here to add a link even if it's not exactly the same or should the link be moved to the title record? Because I've seen some other proofs for various books that could be added if it is acceptable. Also, the 1982 Dell PB has been on Archive.org even longer than the proof but was never entered so I just did that but the 1 copy I can see on Amazon has a totally white cover instead of totally black. Not sure what that means; I doubt they released alternate covers for such a relatively minor work but who knows. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:37, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I hadn't realized that the scan was of a proof, which we don't and shouldn't track in the database. I've removed the link and the data added as a result of that scan. I wouldn't add it to the title record. We generally don't track proofs here as they don't meet the definition of published. I did question the note about a publication month that was determined by examining a pre-publication scan. It seems wrong to me, insofar as anything in the proof is merely predictive and there is no way of knowing whether the schedule slipped between when the proof was issued and the book was eventually published. However, the note is likely sufficient to indicate that the publication month we have is unreliable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:31, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov & Silverberg - Nightfall ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you check the title of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24156 essay here]. Should yours be titled ''To the Reader (Nightfall)''? If so, I'm handling four other titles and can fix yours at the same time. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:29, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it is titled "To the Reader". Please go ahead and change it with the others. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Great, will do. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:24, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1000 Faces ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337145; It wasn't supposed to be a mod note, it was supposed to be a note explaining that the price was changed from what was there before when someone entered the wrong price. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Why would we want that in a publication note? After the price is changed, there is no context to show that the price was ever anything else than what is shown. We don't add publication notes stating that incorrect data was changed and I'm unaware that you've ever done so in the past. That note is totally appropriate for a moderator note, but not for a publication note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:OK, if you say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"? ==<br />
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Ron, could you check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178417 The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F] to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:48, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please proceed with the change. The tile with the dash (actually looks like an em dash), appears that way in the table of contents. The title page uses the colon. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Music ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285854; LCCN ID added, publisher was longer, checked FantLab and longer name's on title page so I made it so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please don't do that this way. As I know I've explained before, if you change the publisher on the only publication by that publisher, you effectively erase the existing record for that publisher, and all the data contained therein. It's better to update the publisher record directly (or if that's a moderator only function, ask on the moderator board that it be done). I'm going to reject this edit and I'll update the publisher record as to preserve the existing notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:37, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::So you're saying I should have added LCCN ID and then made another edit in the publisher record changing their name? Is that how it's supposed to be done? Also, I did some edits for 2 books by the same author (C. Pallen) from Manhattanville Press, the only 2 books on ISFDB from that publisher, 1 of which started with "The" and the other, published much later, which didn't, so I differed them; since there's no info on that publisher record it doesn't matter that I changed it from within the book record, right? Is that what you're saying? Also, if the Herald info had been lost it would have been a shame since I'm the one who added it in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Yes, when you change the publisher within a publication record, what you're really doing is removing the existing publisher, and adding a new one. If you remove the last publication to which the old publisher refers, the software will delete that publisher record. So yes, in this case you should have done it in two edits. For your other example, it's correct that it doesn't matter if the publisher being deleted has no additional data. If it had, what you would want to do is to merge the two publishers, which I'm fairly certain is a moderator only function. Even then, if both publisher records have conflicting data, that would have to be resolved during the merge. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:10, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sutro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346448; Transient, couple of titles differ from contents page but I assume you entered them as they appeared at story heads, but "Ships That Pass" says 73, not 23, in copy just added to Dalby's site; https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/collections/newest-shopify-test/products/sutro-miller-ghost-stories-sentinel-publications-1947-paperbacks. Was that an error in book or an entry error here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:53, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Unfortunately, I no longer have that copy. Thus the transient verification. I think it's likely that the page number is our typo, given the record numbers of the individual titles. Please feel free to change that if you'd like. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::http://www.philsp.com/resources/ISFAC/t155.htm#A2781; Fixed page number and another story's date which was actually published years earlier. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:38, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Introduction for The Wit and Wisdom of Discworld ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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you verified two variants of the book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301290 and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?421825). I think the title record for the introduction is very likely wrong. It should be "Introduction: Through the Wardrobe Into Discworld". At least for the ebook I'm sure the title should be as said via Amazon LookInside: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?463079. That would also remove the duplicate title with "&" and "and", as adding the book name would no longer be necessary. Also it would match the German translation title.<br />
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Can you please verify if that's true for your copy? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 09:57, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for pointing this out. I've corrected the titles. I also corrected the book title of the first printing and reversed the parent variant relationship. I'm pretty sure that Doubleday wouldn't have changed between printings, and I'm sure the "and" was introduced because of the cover title. I was also able to verify the Harper trade paperback as having an ampersand for the Amazon look inside version. Oddly, the Harper eBook, uses "and". I suspect some of the other "and" printing are incorrect, but can't find evidence to switch them. In any case, I left the variant of the translation of the introduction to you. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:02, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== J.W. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327628; I think co-editor is this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11081. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:35, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Futures Forestalled ... for Now: South African Science Fiction and Futurism ==<br />
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I was taking a look at {{P|935348|this publication}} based on [[ISFDB:Verification_requests#Futures_Forestalled_..._for_Now%3A_South_African_Science_Fiction_and_Futurism|this discussion]]. As far as I can tell, this is an essay (and not a publication) that appeared in the non-genre magazine [https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/rcwr20/34/1 Current Writing]. I wanted to check with you as the processing moderator to see if you saw something I missed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:51, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the submission, I probably thought I was skipping it rather than approving it. I never intentionally approve submissions with a image link from a site for which we don't have permissions. I do give deference when the submitter is working from their own copy, but the image warning would have made me think this one should not be approved without contacting the submitter. The verifier was active recently. It may be worth reaching out to them to see what they thought they were adding. It looks like this may need to be converted to an essay in a non-genre magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Archer (I) adaptations of Oz novels ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. Recently I recognized that your Peter Archer A{{a|359605}} is distinct from others, so I revised your verified record of ''The Road to Oz'' picture book adaptation, in its 3rd printing of 2009 edition P{{p|366091}}, to distinguish the adapter as Peter Archer (I). A second edit/self-approve was necessary for the chapbook title --you probably know; I didn't.<br />
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Pursuing Peter Archer (I), I learned that that is a joint pseudonym. More descriptive disambiguators and fewer roman numerals are used here recently (CoViD era, i have noticed since returning). Perhaps "Peter Archer (pseudonym)" would be a better choice.<br />
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Byron and {{a|Kathryn Jackson}} are new to the database. (Husband and wife seem likely but I didn't find it stated.) From library records I learned that they adapted at least three Oz novels for Little Golden Books in the early 1950s. Last hour I added the other two as 1952 chapbooks. Library of Congress reports no other Peter Archer adaptations of Oz. WorldCat does not enable any such negative conclusions, as far as I know. <br />
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The number of submissions was greater than should have been. If I understand correctly, best practice is to set all toggles {Non-Genre ; Juvenile ; Novelization ; Graphic Format} and set Length if known --all for the child SHORTFICTION created as content of the new CHAPBOOK. Only then, make that one a variant. Then put parent SHORTFICTION in a series, or add title Note or Synopsis, if appropriate. Right?<br />
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How many of the 4 toggles and Length should be set for the CHAPBOOKs? Here I made the child CHAPBOOK juvenile. Then make CHAPBOOK a variant. New parent CHAPBOOK gets a Note occasionally; no Synopsis or series.<br />
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Your verified ''Road to Oz'' contains CHAPBOOK "The Road to Oz (abridged)" and SHORTFICTION "The Road to Oz". I did not name any of the four 1952 CHAPBOOKs and SHORTFICTION "(abridged)". What do you think nowadays?<br />
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Take a look at all these Peter Archer (I) records if and when you have a chance. For the next 10 days I will be away from home, and maybe away from ISFDB. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have a larger concern about these records. My understanding is that an adapter should not be listed with an author credit, but should be reflected in the notes only. It appears these records were changed after I verified the copy. I'm going to start a new Rules and Standards discussion to ensure my understanding is correct. Regarding your question about the flags being used on CHAPBOOK titles. Non-Genre seems appropriate for chapbooks, as it would place the title record at the bottom of the author's bibliography. The other flags, to my mind appear to apply specifically to the SHORTFICTION, and not to the container (CHAPBOOK). That's just my opinion, and you could pose that question on one of the community boards to get wider input. I did add the disambiguator (abridged) to the SHORTFICTION title. This especially makes sense if the adapter is not listed as an author. It's partially to prevent the software from presenting it as a duplicate of the novel. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:33, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I have been away for most of this fortnight. Now I have redd that new discussion [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements Adaptations and Abridgements (at Rules and Standards)].<br />
:: For my information, does the 2015 publication update by Mhhutchins [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2706045] show up on your report "My Changed Primary Verifications [New!]" or is the report limited in scope to "recent" updates?<br />
:::No it does not. The oldest update listed is from October 2016. This may have been when that report or the underlying data supporting it was added.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:06, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree that the story title should be disambiguated, such as "(abridged)" or "(adapted)". I guess I would call this one an adaptation but I haven't seen it. With DougH, I would prefer to see those or similar parenthetical notations used when titles do not match. <br />
:: I'll take your suggestion concerning CHAPBOOK titles as Juvenile, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:06, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rohmer's Bast Pyramid Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289865; Philsp.com page for this book says J. Lombardero did the cover and I see a little JL on the lower right. I assume if his name was in the book you would have entered it so how should it be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:21, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well your eyes are better than mine. I can't find the initials even with a magnifying glass. Since the artist is not credited in the book, you should add it as the canonical name, i.e. {{A|Joseph Lombardero}}. When you not the source, I'd go with "The Page of Fu Manchu". Galactic Central (philsp.com) hosts a large number of indexes and bibliographies, so giving the domain name doesn't really give enough information to identify the source. Especially, as in this case, when they are only hosting the site, rather than creating it. Good find. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:51, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK, I made an edit, but this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27160, reveals that the other 5 Pyramid covers done by Lombardero for Rohmer have all been entered, but as J. It's a mess, with 1 PV mentioning the artist is credited on the back cover (as J.), 1 non-PV mentioning the same thing, some not mentioning anything, etc. Only 1 has an active PV (I think), MLB, and he doesn't complain much about change these days, so if you or some other Rohmer fan wanted to look at this further I'm sure you could probably improve things. I assume your back cover doesn't say anything; if it does it would probably say J., which means my edit entering Joseph will need to be cancelled. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::As I mentioned above, there is no credit on the book, which includes the back cover. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:43, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== My Favorites in Suspense ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597540; I believe the other Archive.org copy, which you worked on, is a book club edition. It has the same incomplete copyright page as the one here, https://www.ebay.com/itm/185721019229; publisher should be Random House / BCE, I think. There's also the question of where external ID's really belong since neither copy is the original edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well, no. {{P|570083|this}} publication record is clearly for the trade edition. The link to the scan was added to the record. The record was not created from that scan. I guess that may be a scan of a book club edition, but there's not really enough evidence to say definitively. It's possible that the copyright page of the trade edition would include a printing or edition statement, or the LCCN. However, there are many examples of trade books that do not. If we were certain that the scan was for a book club edition, it should be removed from this record, but I'm not certain. Feel free to clone that record to create a record for the book club edition, if you'd like. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:32, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Well, OK. At least there'll be another edition here soon once mine is approved. I see there's this, too, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334763510639, a third printing, so I don't know how many times they printed this thing, but I also found this, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334768776674, a first printing, so that's likely the original non-book club edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::And thus you've proven that the title page differs for the first edition. I've removed the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:01, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== PKD - Dr. Bloodmoney ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm about to add a 2003 3rd printing of your {{P|289298|2004 4th printing}} and I notice that your novel title is the long version. Is that correct, or should it be just "Dr. Bloodmoney"?<br />
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edit... and what about this {{P|115221|1st printing}} while we're at it? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:03, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've changed the record for my copy. You should contact [[User talk:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] about the first printing. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks Ron, I've alerted Pete to this. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Necronomicon's Reanimator ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309542; I corrected a minor mistake (On/One) but noticed that every cover I can see online says $3.95 on the lower right corner, not $3.50. SFE has a clear cover showing the price. Wrong verification or higher-priced reprint? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:{{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the price as $3.50. They also note, as does {{Reginald3}} that it was reprinted in 1985 with C/O stating that there were additional reprints after. I would assume that the covers you are seeing are from later printings. Reginald also has a variation in title between the 1977 and the 1985 editions, and I'm still researching that. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:58, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I see price is $3.95 now; what changed? Also, you probably know already but there's this, too: https://fantlab.ru/edition249786. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:38, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Well, after seeing that the cover included the date, and that it was listed on several sale listings described as the first edition from 1977, I determined that Chalker/Owings were probably in error about the price. Fantlab is for a different printing than the two I working with. Feel free to add it if you'd like. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:47, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Guinever's Gift ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5598537; I made some changes in case that affects your verifications since this isn't the regular edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please don't make edits converting the publication record of the trade edition of a book into the book club edition. The record you were trying to change is clearly for the trade edition. It includes the ISBN. The linked Worldcat record has the ISBN and notes first edition. The publisher name nor the notes indicate that it is a book club edition. The only piece of data that is incorrect is the link to the scan (which I've now removed). As that link was obtained from a [https://www.worldcat.org/title/606129407 Worldcat record] which also indicates that it is a first edition, and upon your further research it is incorrect. The problem with the edit you attempted is that it effectively deletes the trad edition and replaces it with a book club edition. It also would create a record with incorrect external ids as they all refer to the trade edition. I'm going to reject your edit for these reasons. If you wish to add the book club edition, please submit a new edit cloning the existing record, which is a better approach as it doesn't delete the trade edition. Also, if you see a publication record with an incorrect scan, feel free to submit an edit removing that link with an explanation that it belongs to a different edition. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I added LCCN, cover artist (only photo of full back flap I could find anywhere and even then it's barely legible) and cover image to trade edition; however, I can't find price anywhere since almost every auction online is for the book club, so maybe you or someone can find it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:41, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Carnival Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8771; I added LCCN and also month/day to reg. title and cover art only to see Wiki says October, not May 10. Did you write the note about where the exact date came from? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:36, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I did not, but it is in the LOC Catalog of Copyright Entries on page 192 [https://archive.org/details/catalogofcopyrig311libr/page/n207/mode/2up here]. That note appears to have been added by [[User talk:PatConolly|PatConolly]] on 2019-09-15. My only complaint about your edit is that LCCN numbers of that vintage generally have a dash instead of 0s. I don't know precisely when LOC stopped using the dashes, but is was at the end of the 20th century. Since the LCCN does not appear in the the book, it's a minor quibble. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:53, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I enter LCCN as they appear on the LoC site; as long as clicking the ID link leads to the right page on their site it seems OK to me. If pre-2000 LCCN should have had dashes then somebody should have said something before countless moderators approved the hundreds/thousands of LCCN I've entered in the last 2+ years. I think I'll ask on Community if anyone can whip up something that can automatically change all LCCN entered here with 00 to -; unlikely but you never know. In this case I'll cancel my edit and enter it with the dash since this is a seminal work that should have info entered exactly right. Re: the date, it seems more right to me that a horror collection would be released in the month of Halloween, but then most of what Arkham House released was horror so it could very well have been released earlier like other books of theirs that year; just to be safe I'll remove the month changes and just do the LCCN. If anyone can say for sure what the exact date is then those can be changed later. EDIT: I added LCCN with the dash and the FantLab ID which I've somehow never entered and noticed something: there are several cover photos on their site and it's signed G. Barrows + front flap says George Barrows, yet George Burrows is entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The artist name should be changed. However, it would be best to change at the author level. I'll check with the other verifiers to ensure it's ok to change all instances. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MoM ==<br />
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Re: your rejection, it was discussed with him/her on their board under the title "A Month of Mystery". Usually we wait until they reply before rejecting (which rarely happens because they usually agree with the changes(s) I made). I'm not clear on what you mean about deleting the trade edition, the one that I entered recently. PV edition is book club (fewer pages; https://www.ebay.com/itm/266154678368) and needs BCE in publisher to differ it from the trade edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:15, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The policy is that you should seek (and receive) agreement before you submit the edit. I know that's how I've explained it to you in the past. The current record is for a trade edition of the book that has been verified by two editors. If your edit had been approved, there would no longer be a record for the first printing of the trade edition. There would only be a record for a book club edition and the second printing of the trade edition. Even if [[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] agreed that their copy is a book club edition, there would still be a verification for the trade edition that can't be questioned as the editor is no longer active. What you should have done, is to clone this publication record to make a record for the book club edition. Then if Swfritter has the BCE, they should move their verification to the new record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:51, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I see. OK. I think I'll give up on this particular area of editing; way too many books were PV that have wrong info entered, in many cases this same issue of people not knowing or caring exactly what edition of the book they had, and my trying to fix them is more trouble than it's worth. There's endless other things to be done here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:20, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stained-Glass World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; You're the last person in the edit history so I'm letting you know that when I was adding an Archive.org link I noticed that even though it says July in book and in note here someone entered the month as April. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:06, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well, since my edit added only Worldcat and Reginald numbers and neither source gives more than the year, I have no special insight as to what the date should be. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:41, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Disciple ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246597; I made the 1 missing story that I added to this collection a variant of author's parent name but what's the procedure to get rid of the 6 variant titles in the contents? Should I correct the titles under the alternate name as I did for the name used in the book? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:51, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'm not sure I completely understand what you are asking. Are you saying that there are title records in this book that are incorrect? If so, what you depends on whether they occur in any other publications. If not, then you can correct the title record. If the title is in another publication, then you should add a new title to this publication record, and make it a variant to the canonical title. You would then need to remove the incorrect title record from this publication. If you are asking about something else, please explain further. Links to the titles you think are incorrect and what you think needs updating would be helpful. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:04, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I'm asking about the 6 stories in the link that say "variant"; as you know since you approved it, I corrected several incorrect titles but those titles are still incorrect under the alternate name. So how do I get both names to display the same correct title? Do I have to retitle them individually, merge, or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:14, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All of the contained titles in that work are variants. However, when a variant differs in title from its parent, it is displayed with both titles. If you updated the canonical title, it would have no effect on the variant title. This makes sense as one of the purposes of variant titles is to show variations in title. Then my answer above is what you want and how you'd proceed depends on whether the variant title appears in other publications or not. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:34, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hyde & Wintz - Précieuses reliques ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you process [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601198 my submission] for this title that I asked in the Moderator note to not process. Marty has given me great advice which I will take post approval. I'll fix the titling, "nom" -> "Nom" and anything else I can find. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:07, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Sure. Done. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:16, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Smooth running :) Thanks. Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:26, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Resurrectionist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601382; Isn't the procedure to unmerge when the artist name is different as I explained in my note, HefferMan vs. HefferNan? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's easier to remove the incorrect COVERART title from the publication that is in error. Then add a new COVERART title to the same pub. These can be done in either order, but best to explain in the notes to the moderator what is intended for subsequent edits. Of course you'll also have to build the variant relationship once the new title is created. The issue with unmerging, is that until you update the author credit on the unmerged title, it will appear as a potential duplicate both in the cleanup reports and if anyone checks for duplicates. Given that approvals are running two days behind from submissions, that creates a window where the titles could get re-merged. I will note that you could have expanded a bit in your note to the moderator. Maybe specifically stating that the author credit is different rather than listing the two names and expecting the moderator to recognize they differ. Your note left me wondering if you wanted to make a variant between the paperback and hardcover editions because of differences in trim. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Same or different authors / artists? ==<br />
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Hello, Ron! We have both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273536 Tania Ianovskaia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?225848 Tatiana Ianovskaia], both did interior art related to Lewis Carroll's work, which brings up the question if they are related, or even maybe one and the same person. They both pop up in publications verified by you, for example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?668434 here] (Tania). Would it be possible for you to take a look into the identities? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:26, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Christian<br />
:The credits are as they appear in each book. ''The Annotated Alice'' has short biographies of the artists and mentions that Tatiana illustrated some Carroll books that were published by "Tania Press". There's also [https://www.lewiscarroll.org/2008/07/17/tanias-alice/ this post] from the Lewis Carroll Society of North America that uses both "Tania" in the header, and "Tatiana" in the body of the post. I think this is enough evidence that they are the same person, and I'm going to make the variant relationship. Despite the number of titles that we have, I'm going to make Tatiana canonical. From what I'm seeing, that appear to be how she is most often credited in books which we don't seem to have in the database, but could. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Tanya/Tania is also a very common diminutive for Tatiana in Russian (it is also a name on its own of course). Which also adds to the evidence. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:04, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Minotaur Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello Ron. Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284345 this] pblication. Cound you ell me if your copy is a limited edition (of 500) signed by Charles de Lint, George Barr, Robert Collins and Mathew Hargreaves. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:21, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:It is. I'm guessing that you are asking because you want to verify the publication? If so, feel free to add notes about the limitation, or I can do that if you'd prefer. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I will indeed be verifying it once the copy I ordered arrives from the US. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:23, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Coming Attractions in F&SF July-Aug 2015 ==<br />
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Hi, you're one of 2 PVs of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?526483 this magazine issue]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1883751 Coming Attractions] seems to have a couple of minor (*) issues:<br />
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* It's categorized as a COLLECTION, should be an ESSAY I think?<br />
* The "July-June" in the title seems a bit odd, looking at the similar entry in other issues, I'm guessing it should be "July-August"?<br />
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(* - minor, but the unexpected type is enough to break some program code I'm working on that is using the short fiction data...)<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:48, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aldiss - Cryptozoic! ==<br />
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Hi Ron, re this {{P|633905|1st printing}}, am I right in thinking we record the "official" pub date, not when it becomes available? Gollancz.co.uk and Amazon date is 2017-11-02. What do you think?<br />
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Even worse, [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL26792277M/Cryptozoic Open Library] has 2017-03-19. Kev.<br />
:My recollection is that there have been several discussions regarding publication dates over the years. I did find a [[Rules and standards discussions/Archive/Archive20#Proposed Date help text revision|recent update discussion]] that points to [[Template:PublicationFields:Date|this template]] (see Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality). Looking at the edit history, it appears that [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] changed the date and added that note. You may want to reach out to him to find out what his thought process was. I've no objection if the date changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:28, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for taking the time to root out those links for me and I've left a note on his page. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:29, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::: As a Transient verifier I'll defer to the PVs. No problem here if the date is amended. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:11, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks both of you for your help. I've submitted an edit to change the date and expand the notes. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:01, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:44, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Necropolis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1482; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/138662_6; While adding LCCN and FantLab ID to Arkham House first printing, which you PV, I noticed 1 of the FantLab photos says second printing on copyright page. Second isn't verified here so I don't know if seeing an actual photo would help to add anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:20, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I don't read Russian, is the Fantlab record for the first or second printing? Since they are showing pictures of the reprint and show no data that is inconsistent with the reprint, I would assume it's for the second printing. In that case the Fantlab id should be added to that record and not that of the first printing. If that record is for the first printing, then showing only photographs of the second printing is misleading. Please cancel your submission and add only the LCCN to the first printing. You can add the Fantlab ID can be added to the record for the second printing with any additional data that you can find from that record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:46, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Right-click, "Translate to English". Also, I'll cancel and just add LCCN; there's already a link to an Archive.org copy of the first printing, so if anyone ever has the second printing and PV it that'll be better than relying on FantLab's usual jumble of random photos without any context. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thieves' World Printing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?299652; What's the number line in your copy which you said is 2nd printing? Because there's one of those OL-only non-preview copies which has 2 4 6 8 0 9 7 5 3; I think that means 3rd printing, which is not on ISFDB. There are many other Asprin books which are also OL-only. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That number line, which matches the one in my copy, is for a second printing. You'll note that the lowest number in the line is "2". Sometimes publishers put the odd numbers on one side with the even numbers on the other. My understanding is that number lines were created so that the plates for a printing could be used for a subsequent printing by scraping off the prior printing number. When a number line is done in the manner of this one, it keeps the line roughly centered on the page as each number is scraped off. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, so I'll add the link to your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete ==<br />
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Hi Ron, with reference to your approvals [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604143 5604143] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604180 5604180], could you delete the related, old images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSTRSMDSF0000.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSTRSMDST2010.jpg here] for me, to prevent them being reverted. The old ones do not have the Haldeman quote. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:53, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:40, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov G&S ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?741539; Copy uploaded on Archive.org in 2014, your PV in 2019, I want to add a link but the front flap price, $50.00, and the back flap month, 0388, are visible along with artist's signature on back cover (good for notes), so I want to enter those, too. Is your copy coverless, which would explain why you didn't enter those bits of info? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My copy does have a jacket. However, the price is inked out. I suspect that it was originally given as a gift as there is an inscription on the flyleaf. I'm less sure about dating by the jacket date and have started a [[Rules and standards discussions#Dates on Dust Jackets|Rules and Standards discussion]] to see how we want to treat these dates. However, I was able to get a full publication date from the LOC copyright record, so the jacket date is moot in this case. I generally don't note the source of the artist credit when it is somewhere in the book. If we were to do this for every piece of data in the record, it would soon get unwieldy. I might have done so if the artist was identified by signature alone, since that can be a matter of interpretation. I did add a note about the copyright office, because that source is unexpected. As I approve my own edits, I don't need to let the moderator know where the data came from. It's still a good idea to add such sources in the moderator notes. Thanks for finding the scan. I've also added that to the record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:37, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Run ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606436; The 1999 date was wrong, as should have been obvious juding by the awards which were for books published in 2000, but apparently someone entered the date long ago from somewhere and never bothered changing it; the HC is 2000, PB is 2001. When I entered the new PB edition the merged title date still said 1999 because my edit changing it to the correct date of 2000 hadn't been approved yet. That's why, so this should be un-rejected so the correct title date is shown. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My mistake for thinking you were adding a 1999 publication. I'm still not used to the title data appearing on the publication update approval page, which was a recent change. As it was, I had originally skipped the title update as there was no explanation in the moderator notes as to why you were making the change. Even here, I'm not sure that dating based on award years is dispositive. However, I've checked Worldcat and the earliest publication they have is from 2000, so I'll go ahead and approve this one. You frequently add moderator notes, but not always. You may want to add them to more edits, especially, as in this case, when the reasons for your edit are unclear. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:51, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dance of Demons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8641; I've been trying to standardize New Infinities books, as I said on Community Portal, and you are the only active PV of the 5 Gord books, but while the other cover images are the same as the covers of the Archive.org copies the image for Dance of Demons has the same ID on the upper left that I mentioned re: Sea of Death on CP while the Archive.org copy, https://archive.org/search?query=dance-of-demons, doesn't, and also it has New Infinities and BSM logo while image doesn't. So it seems there are other editions out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I no longer have access to the book as evidenced by the fact that the verification is transient. I don't recall whether that scan was from my physical copy or not. Please feel free to upload a new cover from the Internet Archive scan. Let me know when you've done so and I can delete the old scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:57, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Can't do that as it's dark, was photographed badly with lens flare, and has a price sticker on it. There's several copies on eBay. I'm just trying to fix the various publisher names and get them all down to 2, with Ace and without; I get the feeling after I'm done with that some new editions with those ID's on the cover will be added and then cover images can be taken care of for everything. The one New Infinities cover by Gygax that I tried to replace ISFDB's cover with gave me a warning because it's a "nicholls" which is not one of the approved subdirectories on SFE, even though it probably should be because Peter Nicholls passed away a few years ago. Maybe somebody here with some pull can convince them to grant access to more of their images. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:11, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The One Tree ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159731<br />
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Mine says:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>"First Hardcover Edition: April 1982"</li><br />
<li>"First International Edition: April 1982"</li><br />
</ul><br />
Thus seems to indicate a publication date of April 1982 instead of 1983 for del rey's pb edition. I also spot some layout differences on the cover, so maybe this is a different edition?<br />
--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 16:47, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Spacecow<br />
:You have a different edition. Mine has "First Edition: April 1982" over "Paperback format:" over "First Edition: April 1983". There is no mention of an international edition, nor is the first edition specified as hardcover, though you could assume so as the paperback edition is specified. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:53, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for fast reply. I'll create a new publication. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:54, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cadigan - Synners ==<br />
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Hello Ron, can I suggest the pagination for the {{P|390622|1st printing}} should be xiii+475. Gaiman's introduction finishes on the last numbered page xiii before the novel. And pages 476-477 are acknowledgements and unnumbered. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:28, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I completely agree with your proposed change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::And submitted :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:51, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Topper ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269056; SFE just added a cover image and it is clearly signed "C V Farrow" on lower right corner but ISFDB image doesn't have a signature. Is there a signature on your copy or a credit for Farrow in your copy (maybe it's coverless)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My copy lacks a dustjacket. I don't recall where I got that cover scan from. Please feel free to add the cover artist and upload a new scan if you can find a better one. The SFE one has some condition issues. [https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/4954/thorne-smith/topper-an-improbable-adventure Facsimile Dust Jackets] has it, but that would need to be cropped. Good find. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:07, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Purcell Papers ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=purcell+papers+arkham&sort=-addeddate; Another copy was just upped on Archive.org, sticker with $8.95 price on flap, new edition or just add link to old one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I don't think this necessitates a new publication record. I added a note about the price increases from Jaffery. My recollection was that I purchased this one directly from Arkham House. However, my copy has no sticker. Personally, I wouldn't add a second scan since we already have one. However, if you feel it's important, you can go ahead and do so. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:16, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I added a link to the new copy because the old one is an ex-library with sticker on front cover, library stamp on copyright page and card jacket inside the cover, etc. Also, the new copy's cover is better then the one on ISFDB in my opinion, with sharper color and more art visible on left and right and bottom (you can see the artist's signature), any objection to my uploading the new cover and replacing the one here? I also noticed there's some kind of slip inside the front flap in the new copy and someone wrote something next to the back flap that looks like 10.00, probably meaningless but noted anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, you can go ahead and upload that cover. That slip looks like a bookplate. Neither that, nor the handwritten note you mention need be mentioned. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:24, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::OK, uploading the cover, ignoring the rest. Just a note that I also have a pending edit adding an Archive.org link to an ex-Canadian library copy of C. Jacobi's AH collection Portraits in Moonlight, but there's no cover so not really helpful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Slipstream Journal ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I suspect there is a good reason why you added the series number to the notes {{P|394841|here}} and not elsewhere. What's wrong with doing it as these submissions? Please reject them if they are wrong... [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621013 #1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621014 #2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621012 #3], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621011 #4]. Thanks, kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:05, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev<br />
:The reason I moved the issue number to the notes was because I was removing it from the title field so that it would conform to the standards. See [[Template:PublicationFields:Title|this help template]] 3rd and last bullets. As I didn't want to lose the issue number data, I moved it to the notes. The last time this standard was discussed, I recall that it was proposed that a new field be added for the issue numbers (volume and issue or whole number). However I don't recall if there was decision to move forward with proposal. Regardless, a [[Template:PublicationFields:Title|publication series]] should not be used for magazines or fanzines. Magazines/Fanzines are handled differently from other types of publications. For example, the rules for the title field and the fact that all issues from a given year with a given editor share a singe title record. The series for Magazines/Fanzines is handled with a title series. I'll go ahead and reject those edits. Let me know if something is unclear or if you have further questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:48, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Holdstock - Mythago Wood ==<br />
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Hi Ron, does your {{P|604046|1st printing}} contain an excerpt? If it does, I can enter it as:<br />
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:299 * Avilion (excerpt) * (2014-11-27) * short fiction by Robert Holdstock<br />
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Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:27, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:It does. Thanks for finding that and you can go ahead and add it. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's good, will do :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:06, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done. I also replaced the Amazon image while I was there - if you could just check that's ok. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:34, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roadmarks pub date ==<br />
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Hi Ron, your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 verified pub] has a pub date of 2022-00-00, although several online sources ([http://zenoagency.com/news/roger-zelaznys-roadmarks-out-today-in-the-uk e.g.]) cite 2023-01-19. Can you check? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 04:57, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The copyright pages states "This edition first published in Great Britain in 2022 by Gollancz..." I would have thought that the 2023-01-19 was a street date. However, I received my copy on January 6, in the US. I checked my emails and the bookseller indicated that it was shipped on December 29. There is also an earlier email from December 25 stating that the publisher had released the book and it was on its way to the bookseller's warehouse. So it does look like while published late in the year, it was published in 2022. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:30, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Finney - The Body Snatchers ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as I'm editing a later printing of this {{P|328224|1st printing}}, I see that both Amazon and orionbooks.co.uk are listing the pub date as 2010-10-14. Would you agree to my amending the date to that. If that's ok, I'll submit. I'd also amend the Intro title date. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:07, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's fine with me. Please amend the note to state that both the month and day are not stated in the book. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. Just check you're happy with the notes wording :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:47, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sterling & Gibson - The Difference Engine ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm editing my 9th printing of {{P|337727|this one}}. In mine the novel ends on page 383, not 384 (and there's the {{P|435107|3rd printing}} as well).<br />
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Also, there are seemingly two versions of this cover. Mine has Gibson above Sterling, the reverse of Amazon's. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:16, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::...and I've done the 3rd printing. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:23, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boulevard Assassin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7270; Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin is titled The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin in the anthology, Resurrected Holmes, where it first appeared but the title in Claremont is actually The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin. Both editions of Resurrected Holmes are on ISFDB but only 1 story was entered in the HC and none in the TP. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:59, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected the title. Feel free to import any missing titles to the anthology records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:53, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You didn't correct the title correctly. Per my note above, title in Lupoff's collection is "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin", original title in Kaye's anthology is "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin". You added "The" but not "s" in "Adventures". So, when you've done that, feel free to enter the title in both editions of the anthology and variant the collection's title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well presumably you have a source for the contents of the anthologies, which I do not. Your source would also perhaps have the page number on which the story occurs. Perhaps you even still have the publication records open in a tab since you presumably looked at them to determine the story was missing. I see no reason to redo research that you've already done. If you don't want to take the effort to add the contents to those anthologies, I wonder why you researched them in the first place. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Regardless of whether you feel like entering the original title of Lupoff's story in the 2 anthology records, which I would think would be necessary since the later title in Lupoff's collection with the extra "s" would need to be made a variant of it, the title was entered incorrectly in the collection when it was first added here long ago and you didn't replace it with the correct title earlier today even though I said above what the correct title is. I have a pending edit adding the Archive.org link to the collection but I didn't fix the title myself because, as you've complained about many times, any changes that aren't minor, which this is not, need to be asked about first. There are 2 PV of the collection, you and some dude named Dmatlock who hasn't been here since 2010, so you are the only active PV. It clearly states in the collection where the story originally came from, so why it wasn't imported to the anthology back whenever you or somebody else entered it is a mystery. Lupoff isn't some obscure author so I would think you would want this done right. You seem to be one of the main PV of the old-time pulp stuff judging by all your verifications of Arkham House books and suchlike, so these Holmes pastiches should be right up your alley; they're not up mine. Perhaps most of the contents are non-genre but Lupoff should still be entered, being above the threshold. You obviously have a copy of the collection since you PV it, but if you really need me to point you to the anthology, here it is: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL9324870M/The_Resurrected_Holmes; they even list the contents in the OL record itself where it can be clearly seen that there's no "s" in the title and they actually list all the page numbers so you don't have to waste time actually opening the book's link. If you can't be bothered with any of this it's no big deal; I have 450 pending edits waiting to be approved. Speaking of which, I can understand why my Moonchasers edits are on hold since Feb. 18 because a TP copy still needs to be found to determine the correct title, but did any of you ever decide per your recent discussion on one of these boards what's to be done about the whole Argo/McElderry/Atheneum publisher/pub. series thing? Because I have 3 of those on hold since Feb. 23. If not, let me know and I'll just cancel all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Sorry, but demanding that another editor submit edits on your behalf, for which you've done the research and only share incomplete information seems particularly petulant. Your held edits are discussed [[User talk:Username#Title Change of One of Multiple Publications with the Same Title|here]] where you've failed to respond, and [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Atheneum publisher.|here]]. There is no consensus yet. You're welcome to join in that discussion. Regarding the numerous other edits of yours that are aging, the ones I've skipped generally fall into two categories. Either they are inadequately sourced, or active verifiers have not been notified. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Maybe I'm not understanding all of this correctly, but you, the PV of a collection where one of the story titles was entered wrong here, being neither the same as the title as it originally appeared in Kaye's anthology or as it actually appears in the collection (and neither the editor who entered the contents or you or anybody in the intervening years seemed to notice it was wrong), and was never made a variant of the parent title because for some reason nobody ever entered the story in the contents of the anthology, had it brought to your attention by me, as I've done with hundreds/thousands of other wrong things entered here by the many editors who came before me, that it was wrong and, instead of saying thanks and fixing the title, and possibly actually entering the story in both editions of the anthology that are on ISFDB so you could make the collection's title a variant of it, decided to argue about this. If you had not bothered to enter the original title in the anthology and just fixed the title in your PV that would have been acceptable but you didn't do that and entered it wrong even though I wrote how it appears and you should know anyway because you actually own the book. The least you could have done if you have some kind of problem with doing anything in books you didn't PV is add a note in the story's record saying "first published in Resurrected Holmes" or something similar so people would know where it came from but I don't see any note. There's nothing petulant about this, it's simply making sure a book you PV has correct info entered, which may not be required but seems like the right thing to do on a site that claims to be about accuracy; Lord knows I've corrected countless things in other books that are PV. As for the edits you skipped, they are being taken care of now and then by other mods and, as far as I can recall, every single one of them was approved, so it seems to me that your skipping them is more out of spite than because there was really anything wrong with them; it's not relevant, anyway, because the vast majority of those 450 pending edits are very recent and weren't skipped but are just laying there because of the complete disorganization here (made even worse by the recent server move) in getting edits approved in a timely manner, as can be seen by the many messages on the boards complaining that edits are taking a long time to get approved. Whatever your real problem is, I don't care. I don't like most of the people here, their childishness or anger not to mention the low quality of much of their editing, but I continue to do what I do because my personal feelings mean nothing; this is a site about books. So you can do what I suggest or not, whatever, none of this really means anything, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:03, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Silverberg's ''Needle in a Timestack'' cover art ==<br />
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Hi Ron, quick question for a side project I'm working on: How is the cover art credited on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?834559 verified pub]? If it's just a picture agency/library and not an artist, which agency? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Actually I have the same question for many of the recent Masterworks: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943091 Lord Valentine's Castle], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?798420 Bold As Love], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?810578 Desolation Road], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?826915 The Best of Greg Egan], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854301 White Queen], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865798 Kairos], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 Roadmarks], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 Nineteen Eighty-Four], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 Life], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 The Chronicles of Amber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908772 The Second Chronicles of Amber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897 Growing Up Weightless] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897 The Secret of Life]. I think it's a shame the series are using so many generic stock images these days, and I'd much rather they commissioned artists. Anyway, sorry for your trouble, and thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 12:26, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You and [[User:BanjoKev|Kev]] are killing me with the Masterwoks titles ;-) I agree with you about the stock images. Although, I generally like the covers. I'm not sure that I agree that the various companies should be listed as artists and generally don't list them for the records I enter. I know other do, and I've no objection if folks add the names to my publications. Anyway, I thing I've got them all:<br />
:::* {{P|834559|Needle in a Timestack}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|943091|Lord Valentine's Castle}} - Image © Gerry Images<br />
:::* {{P|798420|Bold As Love}} - Images © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|810578|Desolation Road}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|826915|The Best of Greg Egan}} - Illustration © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|854301|White Queen}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|865798|Kairos}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|930344|Roadmarks}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873253|Nineteen Eighty-Four}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873102|Life}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873253|The Chronicles of Amber}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|908772|The Second Chronicles of Amber}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|913897|Growing Up Weightless}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|916090|The Secret of Life}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::Hope that's helpful --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for the accolade Ron, just when I needed a good laugh :) (...just come along with us, Sir, and mind your head as you get in the car...). Seriously though, I don't think "generic stock images" quite describes what's happening. People who create images put them up to these image libraries in the hope that someone (a publishing house perhaps) will want to use them. I don't think anybody "at", say, Shutterstock actually creates any images - they might provide several images to Gateway and then Gateway arranges them. Sometimes the agency gets the copyright, sometimes the creator, depends on their T&Cs. Take a look at the notes in this pub, Doc Smith's {{P|700037|Galactic Patrol}}. I searched for ages on Shutterstock to eventually find the artist. In that case, one artist created the whole image, but in, say, your White Queen, there are likely two elements to that picture, created by "artists" but the credit goes to Shutterstock. Anyway, that's my 2p, I hope you don't mind me jumping in. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:46, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 submitting] an edit to this {{P|602865|1st printing}}. Would you take a look and let me know if you are agreeable to the essay title changes in particular, as well as the addition of the 3rd essay. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:32, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My first impression is that I don't really agree with the title changes for the essays. To me, that really looks like a simple author credit for each essay. Also, if we do change the title, I'm not sure is we still need the parenthetical disambiguator. However, they are also singed at the end. I'll add an inquiry on the Community Portal to see what other folks think, and hold the edit pending that discussion. The rest of the edit is fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:44, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for putting that up to the portal Ron, it's cleared up something that's been nagging at me for a while. I've cancelled the original and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5628098 resubmitted], amending the titling errors. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:40, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nailed By the Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372; I'm not sure what happened there, but I made another edit with right link; however, while doing that, I noticed that the original Brit HC/PB and the 2010 edition have totally different art and yet Steve Crisp is credited on the back of both. Since his ISFDB page stops in 2005 (except for a 2017 cover that may or may not be original) and the 2010 art doesn't look like his usual style and is just the usual modern mass-market stock photo, I think his credit there is in error and was just reprinted from the old editions. But who knows, just mentioning it in case anyone knows and can unmerge if he really did both or delete his credit from 2010 if he didn't do that one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:59, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Union ==<br />
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Hi Ron, <br />
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I was working on forthcoming books and Fixer found the new Dragon Soul Press anthology which got me to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938978 this record]. After fixing quite a lot of issues which one would expect to be caught during moderation (see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JarlFrank#Union my message to the user]), I noticed that you moderated but never edited it after that - probably an oversight so just heads up - especially as it is a new editor who won't learn how to do things if we do not help them :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:47, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about that. I did miss the poorly formed suffix and the amazon link. I noted the format was not entered, and thought that odd, but I generally give quite a bit of deference to primarily verified submissions. Regarding the add this ASIN. I thought our policy was to not add those when an ISBN is present. I did catch a similar error on another submission and advised the submitter that there is no need to add a link as Amazon links are auto generated in the sidebar. My understanding was that is the same reason for not adding ASINs when there is and ISBN. In any case, I'll try to be more careful going forward. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: This is an ISBN starting with 979. These do not form their ASINs by getting the ISBN10 as these do not exist - so the side link cannot create a link for these books as the side bar (try to click on it to see what happens and compare that to a 978 ISBN book ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?936640 for example]) and the Amazon URLs in general use the ASIN and not the ISBN so switching the bar to ISBN13 is not an option. So for books with 979 ISNBs, we generally also want the ASIN (it always starts with B) so we can have a link to Amazon. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:08, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm getting a valid link in the sidebar for the US Amazon from the book with the 979 isbn and it does not appear to be forming it from the ASIN external id (<nowiki>https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_66%3A9798376838440&tag=isfdb-20</nowiki>). I also tried a random publication {{P|911048}} with an ISBN starting with a 979 and no ASIN. Again, the Amazon US sidebar link if fine. My recollection is that I noticed the comment discouraging adding ASINs in a conversation on one of the boards. It was some years ago, and I don't believe it is documented anywhere, so perhaps I was mistaken. Perhaps someone was trying to move traffic to the sidebar links to that we would get the commission on the sale. I believe that is moot now as I recall Amazon discontinued that program, although we still have a disclaimer on the links. In any case the sidebar links seem to be fine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: It drops you into the search screen with the whole book selected but NOT into the edition as a 978 ISBN link or an ASIN link does. We do not record ASINs which are ISBN10; if they start with B, we always record them. And that had been documented [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here]: "Look for the "ASIN" line in the "Product Details" section of the page. If the ASIN matches the ISBN10 of the book, do not record it. Most ASINs will start with B but for some older books, there may be exceptions." for a long time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:52, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959 ==<br />
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For your verified {{P|61294|The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959}}, I updated the title of the story on page 5 from "Tenth Time Around" to "Tenth Time Round" based on the [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v016n05_1959-05_PDF/page/n3/mode/2up Internet Archive scan]. This seemed pretty straightforward based on the scan, but let me know if on the off chance there were two versions of this magazine and we need updates. I am posting this message on all active verifiers' pages. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:32, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Venture Science Fiction [UK] ==<br />
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Our [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29404 Venture Science Fiction &#91;UK&#93;] records contain a publication note of "Editor from Tymn & Ashley [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?88429 here]." Where the here is a title record link to {{T|88429|The Inscrutable God}}. I am assuming this was supposed to be a publication record link as the corresponding publication record number is {{P|88429|Science Fiction, Fantasy and Weird Fiction Magazines}}. Since you have verified that publication, would you mind checking if that is the correct source? If so, I will update the records to fix the link. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, Tymn & Ashley list Ronald R. Wickers as the editor while also noting that he is not credited in the magazine itself. Neither {{Tuck}} nor Miller/Contento list an editor. As an aside here, it may be worthwhile to create a [[Help:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields|template]] for Tymn and Ashley to be used in these instances. A few days ago, I thought about asking if one could be created for {{Series|36285|Chalker/Owings}}, but there are several editions of that, so it's hard to link to a specific publication. I've no idea how difficult the notes field templates are to create. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:29, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. The uncredited part matches the one issue whose scan I found on Internet Archive. I will update the records. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:56, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Naomi Kanakia ==<br />
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Am I to understand that she needs to publish 50 more titles before isfdb respects her name change? [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 17:39, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No disrespect is intended. We are a bibliographical database and thus we reflect what has been published. The canonical name of an author is not meant to imply that it is the author's preferred name nor their legal name. It is simply the name by which they are most commonly known in genre publications. In this case Naomi has had many more works published using the name Rahul than she has as Naomi. Please see [[Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this help template]] and [[ISFDB:FAQ#How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?|this FAQ]] for further information on how we determine canonical name. I hope this helps you to understand why her bibliography appears as it does. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:26, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Is there any way I can propose a change of policy? [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 20:56, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You absolutely can. Changes have been proposed before and I looked for the prior discussions while composing my original response but was unable to find them. The place to propose policy changes is [[Rules and standards discussions]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:02, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks! [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 21:06, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Summon, Bind, Banish ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?323471; I have a pending edit with Archive.org link, Mamatas story has commas, already on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=banish&type=All+Titles, fix/merge needed. I discovered this while adding links to stories from Apex Magazine's online days, which seem to have disappeared from the modern web and only exist as archived pages now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:41, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. I also removed the comment about the story's first appearance in ''Apex'' as its appearance in ''Bandersnatch'' predates the magazine publication. By the way, [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/fmi/j00/j00046.htm#A164 FictionMags] indexes the online version of ''Apex'' if you're interested. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:02, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've been using the index to add stories that were originally published somewhere else before Apex; once I got to the Mamatas story they apparently started breaking stories up into separate pages, the old click-bait scheme, and the story after Mamatas, by Jay Lake, doesn't have the second page archived, so I think I'm done with that. Added nearly 2 dozen, though. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MFFS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644683; There's a 6-page unsigned intro that's not mentioned here, in case you think it needs adding to contents/mentioning in notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:17, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:48, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruno E. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?947748; I own an edition of the American book but you just entered the original Brit edition; problem is, as was discussed here by some people not so long ago, the cover artist was credited differently sometimes. In this case, per back cover, it's Bruno Ellitori, which is a variation not yet on ISFDB and judging by text search there's no other book on Archive.org with that particular spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:30, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, I got that from one of the secondary sites. Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:17, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - The Thunder-Thieves (afterword) ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you have a look at {{P|29759|this title}}. Is that correct or should it be "Afterword (The Thunder-Thieves)" ? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:17, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev -<br />
:I'm going to stick with the current titling. Both the poem and the subsequent essay are under a single title page (on page 239), i.e. the essay does not have a separate title. It's much longer than the poem. Thus I think using the same title as for the poem with a disambiguator is closest to how it appears in the book. I'll add a note to the essay explaining that it is not separately titled. I'll assume that the paperback presents these in the same manner. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:35, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's helped me be clear as to its identity. The titling stood out a mile on Asimov's summary page amongst all the "Afterword (piece name)" formats.<br />
::and btw, in case it got lost in the mix, I've added to the "Robot Visions" thread, above. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:01, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolf Leader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648658; Changes OK? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:49, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They're fine. I've approved the edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:38, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Summer Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1918982; Made some edits for T. Due's collection, bunch of stuff was wrong, I didn't change the artist because you PV an art book that included the cover, real artists are Sten Schneider and Vesperity-Stock. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:53, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The cover in the WFC Souvenir Book does not have an artist credit. We don't use "uncredited" for artist credits when the acutual artist is known. I've updated both art records with the correct artists. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:51, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Avati ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650644; Barcode on back says 3999, not $39.95. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:29, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:29, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula: or the Adventure of the Sanguinary Count, by John H. Watson, M.D. ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287233 Your pub] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406844 this pub] look like duplicates. Any concerns about me merging the newer one into your entry? [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:25, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are different. Mine lacks the first edition statement mentioned in your edition and is presumably a later printing. It does have the 1978 date on the title page. The publication month is from an unknown source and was added to the record prior to my verification. In any case, they shouldn't be merged. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:04, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== GToFaI ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363044; This, https://archive.org/details/bwb_T2-FPH-238, says 3rd on copyright page, you say 2nd. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:48, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:52, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monter - Monster? ==<br />
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Hello Ron, is {{T|2092130|this title}} really Monter? Could you transliterate the hyphen while you're there please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:28, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:53, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Alderburn ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/external_id_search_results.cgi?ID_TYPE=12&OPERATOR=contains&ID_VALUE=GB; I just made an edit with Archive.org link to Bride and saw the GB WorldCat ID; those 2 linked above are the only ones with GB here, both entered by you, so should they be some other ID, not WorldCat? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, that should have been BNB. Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:16, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK, but does the other one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?941692, need fixing, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry, but it's rather confusing when you paste bare urls in the wiki. Perhaps individual links to each publication with either wiki markup (the link tool in the toolbar), or using the [[Template:P|publication template]] would make your posts easier to understand. I looked at this while at work, so I didn't have time to deal with it for more than a moment. My recollection is the link returned a single publication which I fixed. The other one is now fixed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think the problem might be your computer setup, something I vaguely remember us discussing a long time ago when you complained about something similar, because on my end clicking the link I provided showed both Bride and the other book just fine, and later after you fixed Bride but before you left your first response here the link showed just the other book. After you fixed the other book it now says "No matching records found". So all of that makes perfect sense to me. My writing "the 2 linked above" and "only ones" and "both" and "they" was probably a good indication that I was talking about more than 1 book. Jargon about "wiki markup" and templates is pointless because I'm no computer expert, just a regular person, so I have no idea what that stuff means. Perhaps part of the problem as to why you made these ID mistakes and all the countless others I've had to fix or asked you to fix is the same reason you didn't notice my clear message about 2 books, because you're doing this while you're preoccupied with work and not giving it your full attention. I'm not sure why you didn't just wait until you were done with work before you looked into this issue. There's no hurry, obviously, since I currently have nearly 1,300 pending edits awaiting approval. Gratitude, not attitude. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Since you are editing a wiki, I assume that you are comfortable with the the terms used in editing wikis. In fact you you use the signature tool in your posts. However, you balk at using the link tool which is in the same toolbar (or perhaps you are hand typing the signature markup, but refuse to hand type the link markup). The link to the publication template that I provided explains how to use it with examples. I'm not sure what the number of pending edits has to do with this discussion. In any case, I've given you suggestions on how to better communicate and make your posts easier to read. If you can't be bothered to make your posts more readable, misunderstandings will continue to happen. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:09, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'm tired of talking about this. I used advanced search to find books with WorldCat ID that included "GB", 2 results were found and my link above showed both books, and both were no longer there after you fixed their ID. Simple, and even if your computer didn't allow you to see that my several uses of plural terms in my message made it obvious there were 2 books with wrong ID, so your "recollection" of the link only showing 1 book makes no sense. So my point about the reason for all these mistakes and often further problems when I ask you to fix them being due to you doing other things at the same time and not giving ISFDB your full attention seems likely. Obviously work is more important, this stuff is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but my suggestion somewhere on this site recently to a mod that the webmasters, whoever they are, should look into "hiring" more mods seems logical, since many here now are either too busy with work/moving/hospital/doing background coding on the site instead of approving edits, or have seemingly lost interest/are angry at one or more people here, thus the enormous backlog of pending edits with mine being the majority because I usually do so many every day but also several hundred from other editors. Editors don't have to do things exactly the same way you do them; the problem isn't me adding a URL link because I've done that in hundreds of other messages and people seem to see them just fine, the problem was not entering those ID properly and then not reading my message properly about fixing the ID because you were rushed at work. You and the others here have certainly never had a problem since I started here a few years ago complaining about every little mistake I make so you shouldn't have a problem when I do the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:55, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Delaware ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649495; https://delaware.gov/artistroster/artistProfile.php?aid=365. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:48, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, it would have saved a lot of time if you had documented your source in the original edit. I can approve this edit if you agree to add the additional link, or if you'd prefer you can enter this edit again with both links. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't think it was necessary because when I typed "born Delaware Margiotta" on Google the first site that came up was the one above, so your "but I can't find anything stating it is her birth place" doesn't make sense; where do you search? I've been told, or someone else was told, I can't remember, that it's only required when the person's info is not publicly available and comes from a private or not-easily-found source; this couldn't be more easily found. So approve it, if I remember I'll add the link, if not you can add it or nobody can, who cares, I'm tired of these constant rejections and complaints for no legitimate reason except personal ones; my time is just as important as yours. P.S. I also left a message on CP about the Hitler cover you rejected because the cover artist is almost certainly wrong, not being mentioned in the book and by an artist who died long before Hitler was known by anyone, so hopefully someone will find out which cover the artist really did and that rejection can be un-rejected, too. Just because SFE says it's by him means nothing; they, like all other online sites including this one, are unreliable and from personal experience they've been wrong many times before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry, I'm not willing to rely on whether you remember to fix the record, so please re-enter the edit with both links. I stated in the rejection message that I couldn't find her birth place in the source you did add in the edit. You've been asked several times to site your sources. There isn't an exception if the source can be found in Google. I'll also point out that moderators can approve more edits if you don't require them to do extra work. You've stated that edits aren't approved as quickly as you like. Well, properly sourcing your edits would be one way you could speed up their approval. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Locus Award category names ==<br />
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Hi, I'm pinging you as the most prolific - by an order of magnitude ;-) - creator of award records. I've just added the last of this year's Locus top 10 nominees, and I noticed a couple of things that I was a bit puzzled by.<br />
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I'm using [https://locusmag.com/2023/04/2023-locus-awards-top-ten-finalists-2/ this page on their site] as reference. Amongst the category subheadings, it has "PUBLISHER" and "ILLUSTRATED AND ART BOOK", so I've added those respectively as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?367+1 Best Publisher] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?332+1 Best Art or Illustrated Book]. The latter isn't an exact match for what's on that locusmag.com page, but seemed closer than [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?331+0 Best Art Book]. Most recent publisher entries have been recorded under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?370+0 Best Publisher/Imprint], rather than "(Best) Publisher" which is what I've used for this year's entries.<br />
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Do you have any recollection about what the correct names for these are, or what the definitive reference might be? I've not looked at previous year's pages on locusmag.com - and I haven't seen a copy of the mag since before the pandemic - but I see that the SFADB entries for [http://www.sfadb.com/Locus_Awards_2022 2022] and [http://www.sfadb.com/Locus_Awards_2021 2021] have different names for this pair of categories for those 2 years, which doesn't match what what we have. <br />
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Thanks for any thoughts you might have. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:21, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Hi ErsatzCulture -<br />
::I don't know that we have any documented standards for naming award categories. The way I've approached it previously is that minor differences in category names should probably be ignored (e.g. "Science Fiction Novel" vs "Best SF Novel") My theory is that there is usefulness in looking at a category as a whole and seeing all the years for that category together. That being said, when a category name changes enough to denote something new is included (for locus see the non-fiction, related, art categories). I've also let previous categories remain as they are unless I have a good reason to believe they should be changed. As to what the authoritative source for the category names for Locus, I would refer to the magazine where they are presented. I skimmed through this years issues and I don't see the ballot for 2023. I did find last July's issue with the winners announcement and the categories are nearly identical to what we have for 2022. The differences being "Best Non-Fiction Book" (mag, winners) vs "Best Non-Fiction" (mag, full results) vs "Best Non-Fiction" (us); "Best Book Publisher" (mag, winners) vs "Best Publisher/Imprint" (mag, full results) vs "Best Publisher/Imprint" (us). The 2022 ballot (top ten) is [https://locusmag.com/2022/05/2022-locus-awards-top-ten-finalists/ here]. Maybe my memory about standardizing categories is faulty as last years seem to match the categories as listed in the full results exactly.<br />
::Clearly, Locus can alter the names between ballot, winner announcement and full results. I would probably stick with what we used last year to start with and make adjustments when the full results are published, if they seem necessary. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for response. I'll leave these two 2023 categories as-is for now, and if they get changed when the final results are announced, I guess they can/should be changed then.<br />
::: One minor positive side-effect of this is that I've dusted off some incomplete code I wrote ages ago to report on when award categories were run, and fixed it. This has highlighted that there are gaps in our data:<br />
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$ ./award_categories.py -W "Locus Poll Award" -c "publisher"<br />
= Locus Poll Award =<br />
* Best Book Publisher [1972-1974, 1980-1990, 1993-1999]<br />
* Best Book Publisher/Imprint [2000-2003]<br />
* Best Publisher [1977-1978, 1991-1992, 2023]<br />
* Best Publisher - hardcover [1975-1976]<br />
* Best Publisher - Paperback (old) [1975-1976]<br />
* Best Publisher/Imprint [2004, 2009-2022]<br />
# There are no awards on record for the years 1979, 2005-2008<br />
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SFADB doesn't have anything for 1979, but does have data for 2005-2008. If no-one else beats me to it, I'll add those 4 years at some point, but I've had my fill of Locus right now, so it won't be for a week or two at least... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:46, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== August Derleth ==<br />
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We seem to have duplicate entries for {{T|1009500|August Derleth}}. The version with less information (no contents, no cover, etc.) has your secondary verification for Reginald3. It looks like that should be moved over to the more complete record and the less complete one deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:01, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2021 Locus Poll Award ==<br />
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A quick question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?69581 this Locus Poll award] which you added in 2021. The Note field currently reads "For Inclusivity, Representation, and Education". However, the [https://locusmag.com/2021/06/2021-locus-awards-winners/ announcement reads] "Amplifying diverse voices". Would you happen to remember where "For Inclusivity, Representation, and Education" comes from? TIA!<br />
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Also, as an FYI, I have changed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78672 2020 award] based on Dave Langford's update -- see the Note field for details. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:23, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I got that language from the [https://file770.com/2021-locus-awards/ File 770] announcement, which is where I usually learn about award news. I've no objection to changing the note. I can check later in the magazine if you'd like. With the research done for [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]]'s question above, we've determined that the locus.com and magazine publications can be slightly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:32, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the clarification! Both announcements look plausible, so I have updated the Notes field of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?69581 our award record] to reflect what they say and added links. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:39, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - Robot Visions ==<br />
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Hello Ron, just letting you know I've completed all the edits affecting {{T|517297|the main title}} and which arose from our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Robot_Visions earlier conversation] above. If you have time have a look. Please let me know if you find anything amiss. I'll drop a note on Fjh's page to let him know too. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:10, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi Kev <br />
:There is one issue that I have with the changes now that they're done. That is the title of {{T|3175000|The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)}}. As I explained in my post at 18:49, 16 April 2023 (EDT) in the above thread, I feel fairly strongly that the title of this should be "Robot Visions (frontispiece)". As I argued above, the frontispiece is for the collection as a whole, not just for the story "The Bicentennial Man". There's a lot in that topic, so perhaps you missed that point. Other than that, things look good. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:10, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Good, I'm glad you found that, it will look much better. I've submitted the change :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::And...fixed. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:57, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Looks good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:59, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Teresa T. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401191; Tunaly is credited as Tunaley elsewhere on ISFDB; mistake or variant? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It was a typo and I've fixed it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:36, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stapledon - Odd John ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you are joint PV for the {{P|373991|1st printing}}. I'm editing a 3rd printing of this edition and yours is the only one extant to clone from. I notice a couple of things that don't seem quite right and propose the following for your copy (which will also apply to mine):<br />
* Pages change x+208+[2] to x+208. There isn't any "...additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record" (from the help).<br />
*:I agree completely. I think these bracketed numbers are frequently misused. If Pete agrees, please go ahead with this change.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT) <br />
* Title record {{T|1403847|1403847}}. Change date 2011-03-00 to 2012-03-00. This looks like a simple typo - I can find no reference to a 2011 Roberts Introduction.<br />
*:Sure. I'm not sure how that was introduced as new content takes the date of the container unless specifically specified. Perhaps the publication record was dated incorrectly and subsequently changed.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
* Apart from that I have an image to replace the Amazon one and can add the publisher (Gollancz / Orion).<br />
*:I'm fine with the publisher change. The Amazon image matches my copy and is one of the stable URLs. I've no issues with changing it as long as it still matches.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
What do you think? If you agree, I can make the changes while I'm processing my 3rd printing. I've posted the same to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Stapledon_-_Odd_John Pete's page]. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:01, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Responses inline above. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Ron, I'll wait for Pete's reply. On the covers, to reassure you, I'm always very careful with replacements, checking for text alignment and looking for all the things that I know publishers (Gollancz in particular) like to fiddle with, sometimes to only small degrees :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Pete has agreed to the changes so I'll submit them before I clone for my printing. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:31, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Now I'm submitting the changes, I see the [https://www.orionbooks.co.uk/titles/olaf-stapledon/odd-john/9780575072244/?v2=true Orion website] gives 2012-03-08 as the published date. Are you happy with me amending that? Sorry I didn't spot it earlier. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:40, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::That's fine. You can proceed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:37, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Haldeman - The Forever War ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you're PV2 {{P|500093|here}}. On the title record page for the {{T|847613|Author's Note}} I can't find the origin of the 1997-08-00 date. Could you sleuth it please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:41, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I can't with complete certainty. However, my edition does list 1997 as one of the copyright dates. Further, the August 1987 {{P|40063|Avon edition}} has the following note in its Locus1 listing: "According to the author’s note, this is the “definitive” version." Further still, Locus1's note for the 1997 {{P|40062|SFBC edition}} states "This has a 1997 copyright, but lacks the author’s note of the “definitive” version published last month by AvoNova...". Given those statements, I think we could safely import the note into the 1997 Avon edition. I'm certain that the record was added prior to my verification. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::There's lots of editions available and while trying to add a link to original '74 St. Martin's which ironically is the most recently uploaded, https://archive.org/search?query=1974+forever-war+joe-haldeman, it turned out it's a book club (?) edition which is missing the "first printing" on copyright page, so it seems it's an edition not on ISFDB. I just added an eBay link with a note, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671796. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:21, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ron, I'll import the Author's Note into the August 1987 {{P|40063|Avon edition}} and add a note referencing the Locus1 entry and your {{P|500093|11th printing}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:34, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Destiny Times Three (Part 1 of 2) ==<br />
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For "Destiny Times Three (Part 1 of 2)" in {{P|57566|Astounding Science Fiction, March 1945}}, it looks like the credit should be Fritz Leiber, Jr. (instead of Fritz Leiber) per the Internet Archive scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:08, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. Fixed. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Best Tales of Hoffmann ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=best-tales-of-hoffmann&sort=-addeddate; Edition with $2.00 on cover just uploaded, $6.95 in your PV high for 1967, you may want to adjust price/add other editions using this info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:02, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Actually, mine is priced at $3.00 which is very difficult to see. I've cloned the record we have for my edition and another for the $6.95 edition. I've removed the price and the ISBN from the 1967 edition. It's unlikely that it had an ISBN then. The archive scan with the yellow cover is a good candidate for the first printing, but we can't say for sure. Unfortunately, Dover didn't go in much for providing printing history or marking first editions. It looks like they may have gotten better at some point. Tuck is the only verified secondary source which has a price ($2.50) which disagrees with the $2.00 price of the scanned copy. Whether Tuck is in error, or the price was reduced at some point requires additional research. Thanks for pointing this out. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:40, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The 1968 Budrys review was easy to find and has the $2.00 price. I think that's enough evidence that the scanned copy is the first edition. I'll update accordingly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tragedy of Macbeth ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Macbeth]]. We currently have a 1988 Shakespeare review linked to a 1997 retelling by Coville. You have verified one of the pubs containing this review so would you mind checking if this should linked to the original Shakespeare story instead? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Strugatsky - The Snail on the Slope ==<br />
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Hello Ron, with regard to our PVd {{P|730349|1st printing}}, I propose changing the coverart credit to Getty Images. It's my understanding that, as a rule, we don't credit designers. Someone authored this image and made it available through Getty and the copyright is with Getty. To credit Getty with authorship is not to say they created the image, if that makes sense. If you think my reasoning is sound, then the {{T|2645121|title record}} will need amending. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:36, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, it clearly shouldn't be Almeida. Personally, I don't ordinarily like crediting Getty who, as you say, is the copyright holder and not the cover artist. I'm uncomfortable with it for that reason, though I know others have added credits that way. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:21, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I find it easier to think of the photo-stock library as the intermedial link between our credit and the artist responsible. I also used to feel ambivalent about adding a library as credit until I went looking on Shutterstock's site for the artist who created the works that Gollancz used for their Golden Age Masterworks series. Using their image search function I found {{P|700041|Tithi Luadthong}} and all the rest of her works for the series. My reasoning now is that, <i>where the art merits it</i>, we ought to point the way to finding the actual identity - if someone has the time or inclination. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:09, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think it would be fine to include this in the notes, but I don't think it should be added as the cover artist. I did a bit of searching to see if this had been discussed, and there are discussions including [[Rules and standards discussions/Archive/Archive14#Entering authors as credited--complex attributions|this discussion]] on the R&S board from 2016. There is also [[User talk:BanjoKev#Getty Images and similar|this one]] from your own talk page. The consensus seems to be that these sorts of credits should not be used in the cover artist field. However, as I said, they are fine in the notes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:51, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Ha. I'd completely forgotten about that thread on my own page. Doh. Muchas for finding that, and the one on the Rules & Standards page is very good. Is deleting the Almeida at title level the best way to do this? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'll go ahead and take care of it. You can either remove the title from the publication or blank out the name in the publication record. Either way will result in an orphan title record (for the COVERART) which will have to be deleted. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:36, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks! While you're on Almeida, there's another which may be suspect, your PV {{P|671399|1st printing here}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:28, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::That credit states "Illustration by Tomás Almeida", so I think we're good. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:04, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosmos ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33498; I just added an Archive.org link in an edit to this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?147141, and copyright page says published by Dorchester so should publisher be re-named to what it is in the first link I provided here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:41, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I wouldn't say so. It's only on Cosmos on the title page which is an imprint of Wildside. You need to check with the other primary verifiers who are all active. If they wish to change it, I won't object, but I don't think it's necessary. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:19, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Visitants ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5677110; Intro is "of Sorts". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:00, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Held Submissions ==<br />
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Ron, we're both holding submissions pending a resolution [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Atheneum_publisher. here]. The discussion appears abandoned. Based on the title page, I disagree with the submissions I'm holding. What what are your thoughts? We should apply whatever is decided to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?76275 these] as well. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:51, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I just re-read the thread, and my sense is that the consensus was that Argo would be listed as a publication series rather than listed as an additional imprint of the publisher. Some of the ones I'm holding are for changing "Aladdin / Atheneum" to " Aladdin / Margaret K. McElderry / Atheneum" which doesn't seem as clear cut. I'll drop another note on that thread and see if we can kick-start the discussion to reach a final consensus. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:06, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FantLab Artist Image ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678984; I don't know what happened with this, whether it was my error or some change they made between my edit and approval, but I made another edit with the correct image. Is there a way to check ISFDB for any other "missing" FantLab images which show that cartoon image? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:35, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Advanced search allows you search authors by author image (i.e. the URL). That would find any where the URL is identical. There are other operators (starts with or ends with) that may be useful if you can determine if there is a pattern in the URLs for the cartoon images. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:45, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brunner - The Shockwave Rider ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I just checked [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671070 this submission] but I can't find that I did in fact tell you of the changes. I'm sorry for that oversight. I'm expanding the notes and, of course, preserving your original data. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:56, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No worries. Since I was the approving moderator, I gave it a look before I approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:52, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Phew! Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:47, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jimgrim Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679967; I saw the name and added it. SFE only credits Ricca for this cover but they did mainstream covers, too. Maybe a first name for the artist will turn up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:03, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Note Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648635; Is my note fix correct? If so, this can be un-rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:16, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm good with that change. However, there are two other primary verifiers who are active and I don't see that you've asked them as well. All primary verifiers need to be consulted before changing data on their publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If you're referring to MartyD and Chavey, 1 is a transient PV so they wouldn't have a copy to check and the other hasn't responded to anyone on their page for a year. So you can decide what to do with this. I'm just trying to get the several rejections of my edits today un-rejected (although 2 were rejected and then my info was entered by a mod in their own edits without letting me know about it once they realized they had rejected mine incorrectly). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:30, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::A transient verification doesn't excuse you from the requirement to ask before submitting the edit. Some years ago, transient verifications were the only way to add an additional verifier after all of the limited slots (there were 5 as I recall) were taken. [[User:Chavey|Darrah]] is still active and has made edits as recently as May 21 in the main database and on April 7 in the Wiki. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:41, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::So I should ask a transient PV to check a copy they don't have anymore so they can say, "I don't have a copy and can't check"? And Chavey, or Darrah as you call them, may still make edits but doesn't respond to messages on their page, which I know because I see 37 messages from me and the last one they answered was in May of 2022 and even that was answered nearly 2 months after I asked. So I don't see the point in asking about a note that someone, probably not Marty or Chavey judging by edit history, made a minor mistake in by entering the wrong year. Forget it. Nobody else ever noticed or fixed it in the years it's been there so obviously it's not really important. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:55, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Animal Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?168962; This book is already on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:23, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:18, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== NtSNtS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5682165; There's a foreword dated 1978, apparently original to this edition, that could be added and other prices on back cover are blacked out so those could be added, too, assuming your copy has the foreword and visible prices. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:33, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:38, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit History Glitch? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23; Chavey's 2014 edit is indented; is that a problem that should be fixed or does it not matter? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:19, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:While I am a programmer, I don't work in Python and thus I don't work on our software. You might try asking [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:22, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Actually, I can tell why it's happening. The edit question added HTML to the title of the record, which is being interpreted when the affected title is displayed in the edit history. Specifically, the title was updated to make it into an unordered list of one item, which the browser interprets with an indent and a bullet. If you look at the raw XML for that edit, it becomes clear. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:27, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kirsch, et al - Aldous Huxley, 1894-1963 ==<br />
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Hello Ron, re this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?928819 edit history], I'm submitting a correction to the date (1894-1980 -> 1894-1963) per the Reginald3 entry. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:38, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As you are the only one in the edit history, and you have Reginald3, I'm hoping you'll be able to tell what happened with the titling. Could you moderate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5683050 this submission] accordingly? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:59, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It was just a typo. Edit approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:40, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The City and the Stars ==<br />
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Ron, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5672924 this submission] affects one of your verified publications. Another mod approved the original change to the 1973 edition. I approved the subsequent submissions for the pubs with inactive pv. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:24, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Approved and merged. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:59, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RuneQuest ==<br />
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Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?954633 this one] definitely eligible for inclusion? AFAIK RuneQuest - at least as of the late 70s - is/was just an RPG ruleset and setting, not a novel. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RuneQuest#History Wikipedia] thinks the 1979 one is a second edition, FWIW. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:53, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I added that because it is listed in {{Reginald3}}. I am familiar with the RPG and played it back in high school. I recall that I played the 2nd edition and that it included Greg Stafford as an author. I am also aware that there is other fiction based on the campaign setting (e.g. {{T|186148|this}}). Reginald describes it as "fiction" and lists the authors as Perrin and Turney only with a 1979 date. Perhaps the Perrin/Turney edition includes enough fictional content to qualify. The only record I found in Worldcat for a Perrin/Turney edition is [https://www.worldcat.org/title/8673087 this 1980 printing] by a different publisher. I'd prefer to keep it in. I chose to enter it as a novel because of the length and Reginald's description as fiction. We don't really have a good type for fiction that isn't a traditional novel or story. I thought I had included a note about the Reginald description, but it doesn't seem to be there. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:17, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I was under the impression that RPGs were explicitly excluded, but on examining [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] there is no mention of them, whether pro or anti. I then trawled back through the Rules & Standards archives, and had to go back ~15 years before I found anything that mentions them in the item heading. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive05#What_is_an_RPG.3F That item] starts off ''"I know Role Playing Games are out but I don't know for sure what an RPG is"'', but (a) much of the discussion is about gamebooks, which are probably a different topic, and (b) doesn't really resolve anything. I don't see any earlier discussion of RPGs there.<br />
:: My concern is that if a new editor sees the RQ entry or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68177 the AD&D ones], they might submit some other RPG book, and wonder why that would likely get rejected by a moderator. I certainly experienced something similar personally when I had a film-related submission rejected in my early days here, but could point to comparable entries already in the DB that had been deemed acceptable. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:12, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Silverberg - Homefaring ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your {{P|227965|PV here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I make those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:21, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's fine. In the future, you only need add a note in the Notes to the Moderator. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:31, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Always do :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:01, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6346; I wrote Kraang as you suggested, he didn't reply (yet) but un-rejected my edit and made one of his own. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:15, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's not how I would have handled it. The publisher and price were specific and I have a hard time believing that an editor created that record intentionally adding false values. Like any negative, it's extremely difficult to prove that an Indiana University Press edition never existed. Absence of evidence not being definitive evidence of absence. I would have left the IUP edition in place and added the BFI as a separate publication record under the same title. Since we still have a note as to the prior record, it can be recreated if proof of the publication can be found. Aside from overwriting the IUP edition, what we couldn't have is a record for the first BFI printing with a price from the IUP printing and a scan from a later BFI printing. For all those reasons, I had to reject your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russ - The Female Man ==<br />
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Hello Ron, while I was entering two printings of this title I noticed that the Amazon image for your {{P|331690|PV here}} has the author's name compressed; different to {{P|952242|this printing}}. The link at the bottom of the notes there, "Compare here", shows the alternative cover (which matches yours). If your copy is not the same as the Amazon image I can upload the correct one for you. What do you think? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:53, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's a subtle difference and I think mine matched the Amazon cover. However, I went ahead and scanned my copy, so there's no question. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:28, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for doing that, it's Gollancz up to their tricks again (they just can't leave the covers alone), changing it between the 1st & 7th printing. I'll add the publisher before I leave :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:38, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Gods and Scarlet Dreams ==<br />
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Ron, I saw one your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?168921 verified publications] on an exception report. The variant was severed and type changed to omnibus on the first collection. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:45, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've put it back the way it was. Both the collections in the omnibus match previously published collections in contents, but the titles of the collections are new to this publication. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Courts of Chaos ==<br />
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Ron, you're PV3 {{P|129711|here}}. Can you say how a gutter code for August 1978 (print) and a Locus date of November result in the pub date of October? The August part is ok, it's the Oct/Nov that doen't make sense to me. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:43, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It looks like [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] added the publication month and you could reach out to him. However, I think you're confusing the month of the Locus issue, with the publication date reported in Locus, i.e. issue 216 is the {{P|266232|November 1978}} issue. The note doesn't specify what publication date is in that issue. [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] has also verified that issue, if you wish to have someone check. I hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:20, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Ron, and yes, for some reason, I misread November as the pub date rather than the Locus issue date. I've asked Willem to have a look for me. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:18, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I can see the confusion. There are a lot of notes like this, and indeed November is the month of the Locus issue. The publication date comes from the section "Books received - Oktober" in this issue. Hope that helps. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for looking that up Willem. If it's alright with you two (and I'll ask Biomassbob) I'll change the wording slightly, to make it clearer, and also add a link to the Doubleday gutter code page (it took me a while to find that initially). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:24, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Dark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918858; cover image is broken and I don't see any on Amazon; also, page count is wrong, 3 OL copies with 2 saying Berkley and 220 pages but 1 saying Lancer and 190 pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:16, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Into the Sun & Other Stories ==<br />
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I've uploaded the full wraparound art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18449 this], however, my copy's dustwrapper is a tad damaged so if you have a better one you may wish to replace it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:51, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:While my copy is in good condition, I really don't like posting full wraparound covers and don't do so for my verified publications. My feeling is that we post cover scans which are copyrighted under fair use. I'm not a lawyer, but I worry that going beyond the front cover even in a reduced resolution might be considered beyond fair use. In any case, I don't really want to scan the full cover and would actually prefer that we revert to the original scan of just the front cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:40, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Budrys - Rogue Moon ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you're joint PV with Pete {{P|344978|here}}. I've asked about this pub on [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Budrys_-_Rogue_Moon Pete's page]. Could you drop in and let me know what you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:16, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Morrice ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5695803; I updated the record in case you have anything further to add to it after approval. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:49, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Growing Up Weightless ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897; Should that be "introduction"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:47, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:55, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== M. Ness ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1884197; I think the 2 items by Marni Ness should be by Mari Ness or made a variant of it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 25 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It was a typo. I've merged the authors. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 25 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolf-Leader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?343846; I made 3 edits adding month via copyright page of archived '21 edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:48, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Camelot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33381; There is an OL-only non-preview copy which has a number line that starts with 3 and ends with 4. I think that's a 3rd printing, not on ISFDB and something I could clone, but what does your 2nd printing say for number line? Also, your publisher is the only one on ISFDB; this copy says Philomel Books on title page just like first printing someone entered here so does yours say Putnam on title page or should it be the same as the others? EDIT: Also, illustrator is referred to as Winslow Pels several times but back flap says jacket is by Winslow Pinney Pels. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:14, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The lowest number in the number line of my copy is "2". Alternating numbers in a number line (odd numbers on the left, evens on the right) is common. When a subsequent printings were done the prior printing number was scraped off of the plates. My theory is that by arranging the numbers this way, it keeps the number line centered. Of course, with printing done electronically now, the need for such an arrangement is no longer necessary. Putnam is mentioned only on the verso of the title page. The first printing originally had the publisher listed as "Putnam/Philomel" when I cloned that record for the second printing. The publisher was subsequently changed for that record. Since the Philomel publisher record has the history of the imprint, I have merged the two publisher records. The title page has the artist credit as "Winslow Pels" which I would user over the flap copy, especially since the text on the flap is a statement of copyright rather than a specific credit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:21, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hugos ==<br />
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I see you've started on adding them; I don't know if you saw, but I started working on the contents of the leaked ballot a few days ago. I didn't get that far through, but there are some relevant links here: [[User:ErsatzCulture/Hugo2023]], although there are a few more records in the DB that hadn't yet got added to that page. Regards<br />
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At first glance, I only see one difference from the leak, Upstart (which people were querying the category for) isn't in the final list. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I had entered the novels from the early list before I realized it was withdrawn. I decided not to delete that work unless the final list came out and disagreed (for novels it did not). I've entered the short fiction categories with the exception of those works that appear to only have been published in Chinese. It's going to take some work to track those down. I'll work on these more later today unless you've gotten to all of them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I think I got all the short fiction that was on the leaked list, but I think there might be one on the official list that wasn't on the leak. Didn't get as far as related work, other than making a couple of notes about some of the people nominated for fan awards etc. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:10, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I've now done the awards for the 3 stories that I'd added to the database. I'll dig out and add details for the final missing story (White Cliff). I'm not planning on touching any of the others so that I don't duplicate any work that you're doing. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:34, 6 July 2023 (EDT) EDIT: final shortfiction is done. (The mag publication for it is really horrible and in need of a cleanup when I get chance to look into who the editor, publisher, etc is) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:46, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
(dedent)<br />
: So I lied - I've now added all the Chinese finalists. Some of the peripheral stuff (e.g. publication records for the magazine a story first appeared in) needs tidying up, but I think the relevant title records are all OK, and the relevant author records.<br />
: There's a weirdness with 2 different finalists seemingly having the same Chinese characters for their name, but for the time being I've gotten around that with a (I) disambiguation. Will try to find a better solution if possible.<br />
: I'm now completely fed up with the Hugos, so I'll leave the remaining entries to you. I did do all of the pro-artist nominees, as that category should be all clear. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:42, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for all that. It looks good. I tried for a bit to find the details of 时空画师 this morning, but was unable to get very far with the amount of time I could devote. I was somewhat flummoxed by the notation that it had been published in ''Galaxy's Edge'' not realizing that there is a separate Chinese publication with that title. I'll start working on the remaining items. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:25, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998 ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386118 this] magazine/anthology, can you show me where it's verified on Locus1?<br />
Thanks. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:33, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. The current link is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t903.htm#A43742 here]. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:03, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I just noticed your other post regarding this. Locus1 does cover magazines in addition to books. See their [http://www.locusmag.com/index/0start.htm#TOC table of contents]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:10, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! It's too bad they don't have a cover scan, since Galactic Central's is deleted, but that's the way it goes. I found another one on AbeBooks. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 19:16, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sixty Selected Poems ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?833943 this pv pub] there is an External ID "Reginald-3: 84-62734" but the Secondary Verifications show "Reginald3 N/A". What do You think about? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:52, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Nope. Clearly that was supposed to be LCCN. Thanks for pointing it out. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:05, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards where the title has multiple authors, but some have declined ==<br />
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Just bringing this to your attention, if you have any thoughts: [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Awards_where_the_title_has_multiple_authors.2C_but_some_have_declined]]. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:40, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SitD ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5703635; They may say what it is but, as so often, they were wrong; the link I provided shows that it is a story and it even says story in the URL of that link. I think this should be un-rejected. On the plus side, while looking into this just now I found Yates' page at encyclopedia.com which reveals that a work with the same title was a radio play in 1970, was collected in a book of his plays in 1971, and was a TV play in 1975, so I'll add that link to his page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Why do you suggest that Locus1 is often wrong? I find mistakes in their date to be rare. I Certainly trust them more than how a webzine structures their URLs and links. There are many different types of poems including prose poems and free verse and I don't claim to be expert at identifying the forms. I would rely on how Locus classified it as well as the fact that the verifiers saw no need to change the title type. Of course, you can put this on the community portal and see if any poetry experts disagree with Locus. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:50, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blue Lady #7 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=who%27s+that%3F&type=All+Titles; Hard to say what name was really used in either magazine his story appeared in because Ultimate Unknown and Blue Lady are very obscure and Locusmag/Philsp had/have a tendency to just lump together alternate names under a single name, but just mentioning that his name was supposedly different in the first zine and also appeared in 2 parts in 2 separate issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:01, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?519989; I discovered J.K. Potter did the cover for Faeries in this series and while looking for anything else I could do I noticed the later printing of Witches has Craft as artist but the first printing doesn't. You PV both so should you import it? It already has the right date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've only got a transient verification on the first printing, so no longer have a copy of that printing. I'd reach out to [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] who is also active. As the later printing has an unusual credit, we would want to make sure that she is similarly credited in the first printing. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:28, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Involution Ocean ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18533; I imported map from 1980 NEL into this and also into 1977 Canadian, same date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:20, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eye Hath Not Seen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5717534; I made an edit, so can you approve it in case you do something else later and it conflicts? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:17, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reginald3 ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as you also have Reginald, could you check a couple of things for me please?<br />
I'm looking at these two pubs; {{P|175751|Coils - Wallaby - tp}} and {{P|172481|Coils - Doubleday - hc}}. To me it looks as though the Reg3 verification has been attributed to the wrong pub. Reg3 states "Doubleday & Co., 1982, 183 p, cloth" (i.e. hc). What do you think?<br />
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While you've got Reg3 out, could you also have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#SV_removal this topic]. I think Reg3 references the US pub, not the Canadian (simultaneous?) one. I've noticed that where this situation arises elsewhere, the non-referenced one (i.e. the Canadian one) gets marked "N/A" and the Reg3-referenced US one is verified. What do you make of that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:51, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done and done. Reginald lists the publisher of ''Coils'' as simply "Doubldeay & Co." which is distinct from Nelson Doubleday which is generally for book club editions. However, I can find no evidence for a Doubleday trade edition either in Worldcat, nor in {{P|197321|Amber Dreams: A Roger Zelazny Bibliography}}, so I have to assume that Reginald got the publisher slightly off. I did see your note earlier on the moderator board, but I had hoped someone else would have acted on that. Since the remove verification function was added, I appear to be the only moderator who has made use of it. Many years ago, before we had this function, I was inaccurately accused of deleting another editor's verifications, so I try to be careful with using it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:47, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's great Ron, thank you for taking the time to fix these :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:20, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Coven of Vampires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19403; I just added Archive.org link to 2007 HC and noticed the foreword is dated 1997-02-00, not 1998 like the Fedogan first editions, so it's likely a case of someone entering signed date instead of book date; date should be changed to 1998 but I'd like to know first from your PV expensive edition (cheap edition was transient) whether it's signed with the 1997 date. Also, foreword in 2007 HC is dated December 2006 so I don't know if it was updated; if it was, it should be split and given a title like Foreword to the 2006 Edition or something, I think. Lumley's bibliography, https://www.brianlumley.com/books/bibliography.html, mentions a chapbook with TP and "Clean Slate", an uncollected story. Does your copy include anything like that? They only say Subterranean but they may be wrong. Also, title page, which hasn't been updated in 15 years, mentions missing text in 1 story from the Hodder edition; there is none listed so was Hodder the parent of NEL? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The date was indeed from the signature on the essay, and I've corrected it. The signed edition only differs in the slipcase and the limitation page. I also believe the endpapers are different. I don't have any information on subsequent editions, but the foreword in the 2006 edition is the same as that in the F&B editions and did not have a 2006 date. I do have {{P|640485|Subterranean Press: Bibliography 1995 - 2015}} which mentions a chapbook issued with {{P|198273|the Subterranean edition}}. However, it gives the title of the chapbook as "A Coven of Vampires". It does not give contents. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:38, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Title-based awards ==<br />
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I have posted a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Awards_where_the_title_has_multiple_authors.2C_but_some_have_declined reply on the Community Portal]. Sorry about the delay -- it's a complicated area and I needed to address other issues before I could do the topic justice. Sometimes there are just too many balls in the air :-\ [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:10, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Absolutely no worries at all. The issues are certainly complicated. I've even thought of an additional wrinkle since my post. I'll respond in the main thread. Thanks, and also thanks for all the other balls you keep in the air!. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:42, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Simak - City ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as you're PV for {{P|350375|this pub}}, I can't find a 2010-06-00 instance of Gwyneth Jones' {{T|1297168|Introduction (City)}}. The pub itself is dated 2011-06-00, so this looks like a typo. What do you think?<br />
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While I'm here, and about the paper (not the ebook) editions of the Masterworks (II) series, you've verified many entries in this series which currently only state Gollancz as the imprint, missing that Orion is the publisher. Would you agree to me amending these to Gollancz / Orion? If you are agreeable, would you want to be notified of every instance of this specific type of edit, given that I always detail the change in the Moderator note? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:18, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev -<br />
:I'm not sure what to do about Jones' introduction. The Masterworks edition is definitely 2011. The 2010 date for the introduction is not from a signature or a typo. Instead, it is given a copyright date of 2010 (no month) on the the copyright page. I wonder if perhaps the introduction was published elsewhere in 2010 and re-used for this book. If that is the case, then we should date the introduction with the 2011-06-00 date as the title would have changed. I'd be OK with changing the date and adding a note on the title record that the copyright date is 2010 and the essay may have been published earlier. Please feel free to refine the publisher by adding the parent Orion imprint. Just be careful as some of the earlier volumes were published by Millennium as an imprint of Gollancz. Those may all be in the earlier numbered series. You can add a moderator note that I've agreed that this sort of change is OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:05, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think you mean Millennium as as imprint of Orion, but never mind and yes, I'm aware of the Millenium/Gollancz subleties in the first series. Thanks for the heads-up though.<br />
::If I'm inferring correctly, it's your copyright page that carries the copyright date of "2010" for the introduction so I think I'll put a brief note to that effect in your pub. I'll change the date at title level to 2011-06-00 and add a note there as well, to the same effect. That way we have all the angles covered.<br />
::Thanks for your agreement about adding the publisher in this second series, it'll save us a lot of reading :) and I'll reference this thread in the mod notes. Thanks again! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:16, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Drawing of the Three TP ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5723266; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1711477; Afterword on last page should be imported into this TP, I think. I added Archive.org link to first printing, January '90, of Signet PB, changed count from 463 to 464 with a note about last page being unnumbered, and imported afterword giving it a number of [464]; PV of that edition is gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:58, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:36, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 100 Years of OZ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331462; Copy on Archive.org, 2nd printing so I just added LCCN to 1st, but I noticed LoC says 159 pages, not 160, and back flap says Shaner was designer, not artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've removed the COVERART and added a note about the last page. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:36, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lafferty - The Best of R. A. Lafferty ==<br />
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Hello Ron, looking at {{P|698044|this pub}}, I see Gaiman's introduction on page ix, which doesn't fit with 446 pages. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:51, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I submitted the following edit on this edition: Submitting four web page reviews, correcting pages (adding prefatory page in lower-case roman numeral), & adding Gollancz to pub note. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 06:28, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for sorting that out Mike. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:55, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I corrected the pagecount from ix to xiv and restored the line breaks in the notefield. Good find! Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:08, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== McAuley - The Secret of Life ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I've submitted an edit for {{P|916090|this pub}}, expanding notes and replacing cover. Do you think there's a case for making Paul McAuley the canonical name? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:04, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for letting me know about the changes. Changing Paul Mcauley to the canonical author would be a major undertaking. I believe that I've considered it before, but in looking over his bibliography, there are a large number of essays and reviews that are credited to "Paul J. McAuley". There are more than I would want to count, but my sense is that the longer name may be the most frequently used. If you want to press for a change, I'd suggest proposing it on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and see what others think. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your thoughts on that. I think I'd like to do an actual count to see if there really is a case to be made for change and to put it up to the community. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Now that the edit is up, do you think the novel page should be 5, not 3? I thought we use the page where the body of the works starts, rather than the titling page... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:42, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I've always considered a section title to be part of the novel. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:50, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Ok, fair enough :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:00, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Face ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737168; Old cover was the wrong one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doomsman / Telepower ==<br />
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I wonder if [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10660 this pv pub] is really an omnibus. Probably none of the titles appeared before as a single publication. The title length seem to be shortfiction. So I guess it could be an anthology? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 15:12, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It almost certainly was before my verification. I suspect that it was treated the same as Ace Doublez (see [[Template:TitleFields:TitleType|this help template]] under NOVEL) and which are commonly entered as OMNIBUS despite the length of their contents. Personally, I've no objection is you want to convert this to an anthology, but there are other active verifiers that you would want to contact before proceeding. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Far Future Calling ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5741322; Do you think adding subtitle from title page would be good since it's unique and doesn't appear on the cover? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:15, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, but I think one of the words is spelled wrong. Also, so as not to have to open another thread I'll mention here that I noticed you just upped a Fantasy Forest cover; one of your previous entries in that series had a cover by Macari, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=macari&type=Name, who started off with Jr. in his name and then used his middle initial and finally just went by Mario, which is the name his website is linked under. In case you want to decide who's the parent and link the other names. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:02, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::All fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:43, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moore / Scarlet Dream ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29005 Scarlet Dream] and will add pub month (Sept) to all associated records, state source (Locus #249) and add pub note: The story "Dust of Gods" is titled "Dust of the Gods" on copyright page and Table of Contents. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. You can add a note about the difference in title in the contents and copyright. Of course, the title should remain as it appears on the story's title page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:17, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Illustrated Frankenstein ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737334; What happened is I entered the new edition on August 9, you entered it on August 10, so when I made my edit it was a clone because yours didn't exist yet but since you're a mod you instantly approved yours while mine wasn't approved until nearly a week later. So I'll have to make another edit adding correctly spelled publisher, cover image, price, Archive.org link, and 3 more WorldCat links. I'll do that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Vinge - A Fire Upon the Deep ==<br />
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Hello Ron, {{T|1250274|Mitchell's map}} is mentioned in the notes {{P|548988|here}}, if you want to add it.<br />
Description of the map in my 4th printing: The map is divided into three; upper is titled "The Milky Way Galaxy (edge-on view)", lower is titled "The Milky Way Galaxy (disk plane)". The third is an inset, halfway down the page, and one of the labels is "Projection of OOB II proposed flightpath". Map is not credited and is unsigned.<br />
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This is the same map as in my copy of "Zones of Thought" where it is credited and signed. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:27, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. I've copied your text and added the map. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:38, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wilson Tucker / The Lincoln Hunters ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43095 The Lincoln Hunters] and will add the Author's Note and pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:11, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Made in Goatswood: New Tales of Horror in the Severn Valley ==<br />
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● I recently read [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21046 Made in Goatswood: New Tales of Horror in the Severn Valley] and I have added the illustrations and I have put them in their proper order. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:28, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, November 2014 (cover) ==<br />
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Can you please check the date on {{T|2321509|this title}} from your verified {{P|649810|The Weird Fiction Review, Fall 2017}}? The date is given as 1914-11-00, yet the title has "November 2014". Should the date be 2014-11-00? If not, then the author needs to be disambiguated as the {{A|Garry Brown}} record is for an artist born in 1981. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:12, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. I used to enter dates for reprints with the date of the original appearance. Although, here there was clearly a typo. My logic was that the differences in name (the disambiguation of "(cover)") and title type are purely artificial. However, when it was discussed, I could not convince the other editors. As a consequence, there are many years worth of edits where the dates I entered reflect the original appearance. So, in this case, I changed it to the date of its reprint in the magazine. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:22, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantastic, February 1969 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5738987 this submission] that impacts your verified pub. Looking at an Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/Fantastic_v18n03_1969-02/page/n143/mode/2up scan], the submitter's Note to Moderator is correct. However, those two reviews should be credited to just Skinner in my opinion. If you are agreeable, I will reject this submission, but edit the pub to change the credit on the last two reviews to Skinner, add a pub note explaining the situation, and add a link to the Internet Archive scan. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:32, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree with your assessment that those two reviews should be credited to Skinner alone. Thanks.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:46, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Changes made as discussed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:41, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 12:26, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yoh-Vombis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747431; Vornoff, who entered this, hasn't been around for 3 years so no use asking them. You've entered a lot of these old pulps so I figured you could flesh this out after my edit's approved. Seems odd that Don Herron would be involved and yet the publisher is Heron but it's there on the title page (I discovered the correct name because Margo Skinner has a 1990 poetry collection on FantLab which also has Heron). It's also odd he's credited for art because he only has 1 other credit here. Biblio.com seller says it's unknown binding but gives the dimensions as huge, so if it is paper it would probably be TP, and as you can see the price was crossed out and a new one written in but neither matches what's here. Also, page count varies online but is usually much less than what's here. So lots of discrepancies. A real copy would be useful but I'm guessing this is pretty rare. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:50, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No help I'm afraid. I checked Chalker/Owings for both Dawn Herron and Dawn Heron, but it's not listed there. I've no special knowledge about the author. Good luck. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Return of the Sorcerer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747664; Last few pages are unnumbered publication history so I adjusted the count. Also, the ID you added has 2 other records under "see all formats and editions" that have the wrong date. Should those be added, too? Do they count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:54, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Both of the Worldcat records refer to different ISBNs. It seems unlikely that Prime would have have published a collection with a different contents and using the same title. Wildside certainly may have done so. Regardless, the copyright dates for the cover, introduction and for the collection itself are all 2009 so it seems unlikely that the Wildside book is the same collection. I don't know what to make of the second Prime record. I suppose the 2008 date could either be a typo, or a street date that isn't reflected in the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:51, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starswarm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747770; Should publisher have New American Library added to it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Per [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher|this help template]], it can be, but it's not required. Since the record predates my verification, and the publisher is within the rules, I never considered changing it. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:57, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Michaelmas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749051; It's by Algis J. Budrys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:16, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FAoWW ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753273; "About" essays at the end aren't on contents page and have no numbers but they're in the contents here; should they have brackets around their numbers and should +[4] be added to page count? Or should essays just be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Penguin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753361; Title page doesn't include the word Volume; [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/wsAAAOSw5OVhnpKC/s-l1600.jpg]. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thomas - The Crystal Button ==<br />
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Hello Ron, looking at the edit history for {{P|211249|this pub}} it's not apparent where the improbable page count came from. Does this look to you as though someone was correcting the page count (to xiv+302) but forgot to delete the previous count of xiii? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:49, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That sounds likely and fits with the Worldcat record. I can double check Bleiler when I get home next week. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:41, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That would be good, thanks. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 01:36, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::''Science-Fiction: The Early Years'' does not appear to have page counts. I've corrected the record to match Worldcat. Thanks for finding the error. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:09, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== <b>Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2</b> ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:01, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I’m out of town for another week. If you don’t get a response from one of the other verifiers by then, I will check. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:45, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out though. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:43, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nyarlathotep Cycle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5758166; Series changed to #14. Other number entered previously is catalog ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I’m holding this until I return home next week and can check the book. You really should have sought agreement from all the verifiers before submitting this edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:24, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I had a feeling you'd say that. I'll cancel the edit and do it again with just the link although the numbering is correct because the date follows #13. When you return you can look into it and if you decide to change it just add my name to the notes as the one who discovered it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:51, 1 September 2023 (EDT)--<br />
:::No, the numbering submitted with your edit is not correct. There is nowhere in the book that lists it as #14 in the Cthulhu Cycle publication series. The blog you linked to appears to be conflating what we have as two different publication series {{PS|1744|Cthulhu Cycle}} and {{PS|1742|Call of Cthulhu Fiction}} both of which have some overlap. This book lists the latter series on the spine and lists a series number of 6019. All books in the Cycle series also list Call of Cthulhu Fiction. Further, it describes the book as a "Cycle Book" on the back cover. This is how all of the preceding Cthulhu cycle books are described on the back cover except for {{P|5244|The Book of Iod}}. ''The Nyarlathotep Cycle'' appears to be the last book to use the term "Cycle Book", excepting the second edition of {{P|276907|The Hastur Cycle}} which is stated as book 6020 in the Cthulhu Cycle series. So, the record is correct before your attempted edits. We could add the MultiPubS template which I don't believe existed when these books were added.<br />
:::I do have to ask that if you predicted that I would complain that you should have sought verifier approval '''before''' submitting these edits, why then did you submit them without first seeking that approval? You've been told many times before about the requirement for pre-notification, and your anticipation of my complaint makes it clear that you were aware of the requirement. And yet, you submitted anyway. If you feel the requirement for pre-notification should be changed, you could certainly propose such a change at the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page. However, you cannot continue to ignore standards. Please don't do it again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::There's something you may have noticed called "Cancel submission" at the end of every edit. I think after more than two-and-a-half years it should be obvious to those who approve my edits that most of them, including the ones that sit around for weeks or months unnecessarily, are correct, certainly far more often than a lot of the others here I could name, so the occasional "incorrect" one like this (assuming the series stuff you wrote above is correct) doesn't bother me when I have to cancel it. I like to actually see something on the page rather than just an abstract note; I don't have time to wait around and try to remember which of the myriad PV here are still active/alive (because many of them stopped editing long ago but none of you actually marked their pages with a "no longer active" so people are still leaving them messages years later) or are in the process of moving/finished moving but haven't unpacked their books yet or are going into hospital/coming out of hospital or don't care about their edits anymore/hate one or more of the other people here and are holding a grudge, etc. etc. etc. Nothing is permanent here, any inadvertent edit can be reversed with the click of a button. While you've been away on vacation or wherever you were a mod "fixed" a couple of edits of mine that they approved without asking my opinion about the fixes and in both cases they were wrong so I politely asked them to undo their edits and they did so. I stopped editing after Labor Day and plan on not doing any edits until 10/1 and ending on 10/31 (HALLOWEEN!) which is my favorite time of the year. After that, I can't really see myself doing this any longer because, as I've said many times, nobody cares; print books were mostly abandoned on this site long before I started here with only myself and a few others working on them regularly (and some of them don't exactly enter their edits very carefully and I have to fix them) and the majority of edits these days are for e-books and other ephemera which don't interest me because one or more of the people running this site are clearly more interested in having Amazon links in the records that people can click on and bring in cash. By the time I'm done I should have well over 60,000 edits including thousands of Archive.org links so that should keep people occupied long after I'm gone with adding to what I did, as I know some here like to detail every little thing. In the meantime, I have 1,200+ pending edits so hopefully those will be mostly approved by the time I start editing again next month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Aside from the fact that you've interacted with me and am well aware that I am active, every publication has a list of verifiers with a date they were last active, so stating that you had no idea whether pre-notification was required in this or any other instance is disingenuous. In fact, you admit that you anticipated the complaint showing that you were conscious that you were doing was going against the standards. Stating that you don't have time to wait for a reply, which is a requirement that rest of the community abides by, shows contempt for our rules. How other edits were handled, the number of edits pending, your favorite season and your plans for not editing or quitting the project are immaterial to this discussion. If you disagree with the policy, try to get it changed. You cannot continue to ignore the policy because you find it inconvenient. Do not do it again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:40, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::You seem to be a very angry person judging by your responses to me and many other discussions you've had with other editors that I've read in the message board archives going back to several years ago; perhaps you don't enjoy doing this anymore and should find something else to do that makes you happy. Also, my edit adding series # was cancelled and, like I said, I made another one just adding the archived link which is most important, anyway, because it allows people to actually read the book themselves, so I'm not sure what you're still complaining about. Most of my edits are approvable without any issues but to hear you talk you'd think that almost all of my edits are a problem, not to mention that most of the ones you skip over because you think there's something wrong with them end up getting approved by other mods; as I've said before, my correction of edits related to you, whether entered by you personally or approved for someone else, far outweighs anything you have to do re: me, and you've been here far longer than I have. You (and most of the others here) are totally ungrateful and help me with absolutely nothing, only chiming in when you can find something to complain about. Also also, I do think the fact that I have lost interest in editing due to the attitude of others here and the complete breakdown in getting edits approved in a timely fashion because of the huge backlog due to the disorganization behind the scenes and the disastrous recent server move will be a problem soon because, as I said above, I'm one of the very few who edit for print books on a regular basis, not to mention that the number of my edits is usually several times that of all the edits by other editors combined, and in addition to all the new material I've added I've also fixed countless mistakes which apparently none of the thousands of other editors who came before me ever noticed or cared to fix; once I'm gone I seriously doubt anyone else is going to take up the mantle and continue doing that. I also don't appreciate the implied threat at the end of your message; don't do that again. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:59, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Again, your speculations about my mood, complaints about how the project is run, your perceived lack of gratitude, etc. are completely unrelated to the subject we're discussing. I've informed you of the policy. You have stated that "I don't have time to wait around and try to remember which of the myriad PV here are still active/alive..." indicating that you have no intention of following the policy. I don't see how insisting that you must follow the policy is a threat. Again, do not submit edits making substantive changes to records with active verifiers without first seeking their approval. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:06, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Companhy of Battered Women ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757949 this edit] that would impact your verified pub. It looks like a database typo, but wanted to get your confirmation before accepting. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:51, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. I’m out of town until next week. I’ll check when I get home. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It's a typo and the edit is good. Please go ahead and approve. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:39, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Great Ghost Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?372164; I just entered the 1971 Books for libraries reprint and there's vii Roman pages, not xii, since it's a copy of the original I assume yours is the same (as are the 2 copies on Archive.org) and should also be changed to vii. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:54, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:42, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Naomi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#Naomi; PV disagrees with you about the date so you can discuss that with him if you want to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:24, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Turner - The Sea and Summer ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Turner_-_The_Sea_and_Summer this query] and leave a comment there? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:57, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edgar Rice Burroughs: Master of Adventure interior art ==<br />
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I imported all the interior art into the 1968 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11955 Edgar Rice Burroughs: Master of Adventure] from the 1975 edition when I confirmed on the Internet Archive copy of the 1968 one that the list of illustrations is identical. Then I deleted the comment that the frontispiece by Crandall and Williamson is unidentified, as all the illos are credited on the list. (The frontispiece is used as the cover of the even later Bison Press edition, and I knew I'd seen it in my old copy of the '68 edition.)--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 07:49, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thundercats ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=thundercats+random&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; Copies are available to fill in missing info like prices, cover artists, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - Second Foundation ==<br />
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Hello Ron, regarding {{P|471791|this pub}}, do you think the Pages field should be [10]+210, and the Prolog as page [7] (with piping to make it [7]|0.1) ? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:00, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll go ahead and make that change. However, the Prolog is listed as page vii in the table of contents and there is an ongoing [[User talk:Nihonjoe#1634: The Bavarian Crisis|discussion]] on exactly this topic, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone wants to revisit this in the future. Personally, I'm not fond of the bracketed page counts and probably would have entered this as "bp" had I created the record. I'm guessing that I cloned the A state record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:59, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for fixing that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:40, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Other Aliens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?623866; There was a copy uploaded last year so I linked it; maybe you'd like to verify stories or poems per your note and enter the page numbers, too, if you care to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Flashing Swords #7 ==<br />
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Ron, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5769794 this submission], by the author, looks to correct a typo in your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961971 verified pub]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:39, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's a duplicate submission. See [[#In the Companhy of Battered Women|above]]. [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] is holding the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757949 prior submission] and I informed them it was OK to approve. I'll reach out to JLaTondre who may have missed my response. The duplicate submission should probably be rejected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:50, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Rejected , [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== All the Old Fringe Stuff .. ==<br />
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Quick question: You said (about my attempted modification of "All the Old Fringe Stuff You Need to Remember") that "The NONFICTION title record is a container title, which is required in a NONFICTION publication. You could add an ESSAY in the content section as a separate record." But what is the difference between this new entry, and all the other nonfiction essays about science fiction I have listed under "Essays" (not "Nonfiction") on my author's page? (Also, it may be worth mentioning that SciFi Wire was renamed SyFy Wire.) Thanks! [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 17:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi PaulLev<br />
:The reason that I rejected your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757579 edit] was that it would leave the publication record in an invalid state. Every publication record has a type, in this case NONFICTION and has a corresponding title record of the same type. You were attempting to change the type of the corresponding record from NONFICTION to ESSAY, which would leave the NONFICTION publication record without its corresponding title record. Looking further into the this record, I'm not certain whether it should have been created at all. The NONFICTION type is for book length works that are primarily nonfiction. It appears that what you originally added was an essay that appeared on a web site and I would guess that is why you chose webzine as the format of the nonfiction. Webzine is not commonly used as a format for NONFICTION. Now that I've looked more closely at the record in question, I'm not certain whether it falls within our [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|criteria]] for inclusion. I'm not particularly familiar with Sci Fi Wire and so have started a [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Sci Fi Wire/ SyFy Wire - webzine or website?|discussion]] on the community portal, seeking advice on whether this should be in or out. Please feel free to join in that discussion with your opinion. Hope that explains why the edit was rejected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:37, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks, Ron. I offered some info in the discussion on the community portal. [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 01:18, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rest of the Robots ==<br />
Hi -- just logged in for the first time in years and saw [[User_talk:Mike_Christie#Review_of_Asimov_in_February_1969_New_Worlds|this]]; sorry, I no longer have that issue -- I sold all my magazines except the Unknowns. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 19:06, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for the reply; sorry I couldn't be more helpful. By the way, I have just made an edit that's pending, to fix an error in Paul Di Filippo's bibliography; would you be able to take a look and let me know if I did it correctly? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:06, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Hi -- thanks for approving that. I've submitted a follow up, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5778761 here], that I think will finish the clean up. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 06:58, 29 September 2023 (EDT)</div>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== A Hand-Drawn Map of New Crobuzon - interior artwork by China Miéville ==<br />
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Hi Ron, I have a 12th printing of the 2011 edition of China's novel Perdido Street Station and I'm trying to sort out all the map references under different titles to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442912 his credited map here]. So I can make sure it's the same map, could you do me a favour and check for me:<br />
:China is definitely credited as the artist.<br />
:"New Crobuzon" appears as the title at bottom left.<br />
:4 points of the compass at top right.<br />
:Key (Skyrail, Railways, Woodland) at bottom right.<br />
:Scale (2 miles) at top left.<br />
If the map is the same as the one I have, I think several changes would be in order.<br />
:'Your' map pub date is 2013-10-00 - I think this should be a variant of the original map pub title/date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 - see here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19616 and here].<br />
:Further, a search on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crobuzon&type=All+Titles on Crobuzon] shows Hitspacebar (in his 2014 entry) to be the only one titling the map correctly according to the Help guidelines.<br />
:Accordingly and if you think it's correct, I propose changing the titles of all the maps to "New Corbuzon (map) (2000-03-00) by China Miéville (as by uncredited)" and varianting your 2013 title to that.<br />
I hope this all makes sense - the maps are a mess :) Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:18, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi BanjoKev<br />
:I also have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?311532 7th Del Rey printing]. The map in the World Fantasy Convention book is definitely a different map than that published in the Del Rey editions. It is credited to Miéville insofar as it is part of a collection of his drawings with a paragraph explaining when and why he drew them. While I don't believe it's mentioned in the help pages, there is a de facto standard of naming INTERIORART records by their caption when present, which is why the hand drawn map is named as it is. Thus, the 2013 map should not be re-titled or made a variant of the other maps.<br />
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::That's great! Could you add a note to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1713854 title record] so that this doesn't get messed up in future? --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I see you've done that already, thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:41, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:The map in the Del Rey edition matches your description with the exception that there is no artist credited. The map is not currently listed in the publication record of my copy. I agree with you that this map should be titled "New Crobuzon (map)" (correcting a small typo). Since you're working on this, I'll hold off on adding it to my publication until after you've determined the title and original date of the other maps. I do suspect that it occurs in all the Del Rey editions. You can go ahead and import the ultimate title record for the map to the 7th Del Rey edition. Alternatively, you can let me know once you're done merging that maps and I can do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:11, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::So, your different map is the only one credited to China - all the rest are uncredited. I'll sort all this out, including the 7th Del Rey and let you know when it's all done. Many thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've completed all the changes needed for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 all the maps], including your 7th Del Rey printing. The only loose end is the map & novel pagination in yours if you'd do the honours. Thanks for your help, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:52, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forest J. Ackerman credits ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest+J.+Ackerman&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Rtrace&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication verified Forest J Ackerman] pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} as opposed to {{A|Forrest J. Ackerman}}, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Both lacked the period after the middle initial and I've changed them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:09, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:40, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Moon Maiden ==<br />
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Dear sir:<br />
I am fond of Garrett P. Serviss. In fact, I have read all his works (but The Moon Maiden) and I am translating them into Spanish for first time (e.g. https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B09NRJTWT3).<br />
I have not managed to get a text of The Moon Maiden in any format and I have not been able to find Argosy 1915 not in paper nor scanned. I tried everything! <br />
Could you, please, somehow, hand me a scanned version (or pictured by phone or any mean) of the pages of Argosy May 1915 where it was first published? Nothing I can offer in exchange but gratitude and, if you wish, credit.<br />
Best regards.<br />
Rubene Guirauta (RubeneGuirauta@gmail.com){{unsigned|Lidenbrock}} <br />
:Hi Rubene<br />
:Unfortunately, I do not own a copy of that issue of Argosy. I think you may have gotten the impression that I do because of the secondary verifications that I have marked on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?277246 the publication record]. What I have verified is that Bleiler's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1280738 Science-Fiction: The Early Years]'', Clute and Nicholls ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102324 Encyclopedia of Science Fiction]'' and Tuck's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102393 The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy]'' all mention that issue of Argosy. Without rechecking each of those references, I suspect the issue is listed because of the Serviss story, the Franklin story, or both. As I'm sure you are aware, there is a later publication of the novel by Crawford/FPCI, but again, I don't possess a copy and have only verified its existence through secondary sources. I did also look for that issue of Argosy at [https://archive.org/ the Internet Archive], which does have scans of many pulps, but unfortunately not the one you're looking for. Good luck with your project, and I'm sorry I couldn't be more help. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:55, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Hi Ron<br />
::Thank you very much for your answer. I understand the role of verificator... but I had to make this attempt, there was a chance you could have it. It is really a challenge to find this issue of Argosy (or the edition of 1978 of The Moon Maiden). I have tried in Internet Archive, Hathi Trust, Library of Congress and others, and in second hand sellers (Abebooks, eBay, Facebook groups...) unsuccessfully. In case in future (this quest is going to last, I am afraid) you could get any information, copy, scan, picture or any clue, please let me know. Best regards. Rubene.<br />
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== Heroic Fantasy frontispiece artist ==<br />
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There's an unentered frontispiece in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16965 Heroic Fantasy] that has a signature that I don't know how to interpret. Do you? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:20, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is that an "R G K" which may indicate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?901 Roy G. Krenkel]? He did do some covers for DAW. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:37, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon image for Assassin's Price ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan from my copy for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657176 Assassin's Price] by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lovecraft's Notes ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20222766M/Some_notes_on_H.P._Lovecraft.; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281745; OL cover has the price on it; alternate? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I don't think it's an alternate. My copy has the price and I've replaced the image with a scan of my copy. Given the date of the previous upload, I was probably replacing an unstable Amazon image and may have just saved theirs and re-uploaded. I don't know what publication the image without a price represents. Chalker/Owings mentions two subsequent editions. There was a library edition published without imprint by people associated with the University of Wisconsin. However C/O states that it was bound in green cloth and issued without a jacket. There was also a 1982 edition from Necronomicon Press, but their publications are usually larger in size. In any case, the image is now correct. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:00, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Wizard of Maldoone ==<br />
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Ron, Any objection to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 to CHAPBOOK]? While approving the addition of the softcover, I looked at the scan in the internet archive. There is no way this is 40,000 words. I'm checking since you entered the hc edition and added the secondary verifications. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:30, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No objection at all. I've only verified from secondary sources. Reginald uses the terms "novel" or "story" for length and I believe has different thresholds for these terms than ours. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whispers, 1987 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289107; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/219866_3; I added FantLab ID to digest edition; Russell story says "Kolorized" on contents page, not "Kolarized", and Eisenstein story says "Weasling", not "Weaseling". 1 seems like contents may be right, the other one seems like a misspelling. So if you can check your HC copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It looks like [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] has already taken care of the correction and explained the contents error. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:07, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pearl Pumpkin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342293; Halloween, not Haloween, according to title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:31, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:08, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baxter - Raft ==<br />
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Hi Ron, just noticed your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664698 Raft]. My later printing pagination is x-245 - perhaps yours is a typo? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:57, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Not a typo. The last numbered page in my copy is 246. The last page has the author bio and is numbered. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:43, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Black Sorcerer ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you moderate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5568056 this submission] please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:59, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Done. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thank you Ron! That record solves a lot of problems. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:14, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Walter Wiggins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5567353; Isn't that a title page photo in the AbeBooks link I provided in the moderator note, with a Jr. on it? Also, I re-did the other edit of mine you rejected recently re: changing Charnal to Charnel with the page that says Charnel House on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:19, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:So it does. I've changed the author's name which allowed me to approve your original edit without losing data. Just keep in mind, that when you change the last reference to an author's name in a publication or title, the software deletes the old author record and creates a new one. Thus, any data on the old author record is lost. No need to inform me about the re-issued edit, it will come up in the queue be handled by whoever is working it at the time. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Honestly, you're the main handler of my edits these days; some mods have quit recently, at least for the time being, others just do a few of my edits now and then that you skip for one reason or another. Dirk used to do a lot of mine until recently (he used to do a lot in my early days but got mad at me and stopped doing them for awhile) when he got mad at somebody else on these boards and decided to take a break until 2024, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Acceptable_moderator_behavior.3F, and JLaTondre and Ahasuerus used to do a bunch when they had the time but they're so busy doing site stuff that it rarely happens anymore. So odds are you'll be the one to approve that specific edit and you'll know why I provided the zine link because you're the one who rejected it and asked for proof; someone else may be unclear why I'm adding something like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::As it turns out, I was the one who worked that edit. However, the title wasn't correct for what was in the scan. I've corrected it and it's fine now. If I'm the only one working the queue, then that's a problem. As I am going on vacation starting tomorrow, I will be approving few if any edits in the next 10 days. I do see other moderators approving edits other than their own in the recent approvals page. I'm not surprised that other moderators skip some of your edits. I do that myself when you've failed to notify primary verifiers, or not provided sufficient sources for your edit. I also skip them in cases where the research required to approve your edit is more than I have time for while I'm working the queue. In the past, I have held your submissions and left notes on your talk page, but this invariably results in arguments that you feel you don't need to notify or document. I'm tired of making the same arguments each time, so I choose to ignore these edits. I will still reject or hold edits that are destructive, or that introduce potentially incorrect data. I can't speak as to why others skip your edits, but this has been my experience. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:25, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I'm fully aware of why you skip certain of my edits, although in almost all cases whatever I did in those edits ends up being approved by others because it was correct; most of my edits end up being approved by you, anyway, so the ones you skip are in the minority. As I've said before, with the massive amount of edits I do (more than almost any other non-moderator in the history of this site, and that's in just 2 years or so) I don't expect every one of them to be approved; a few always fall by the wayside. In the case of the Charnel House thing, I see that you added those secondary verifications you mentioned which had the incorrect "Charnal", but the scan of the issue at hand has been available on Archive.org for many years, so really before adding those verifications less than a year ago you could easily have checked all info in the magazine itself and would have discovered this problem and fixed it yourself instead of me having to fix it like I've had to fix thousands of other things on this site (and I suspect there are many other Cemetery Dance mistakes on ISFDB since so many different people have worked on the 70+ issues). Re: Dirk, he used to do a lot of mine, didn't like the fact that I questioned some of his rejections, and decided to stop, but started again last year, then stopped completely because of his problems with other mods, including both of those I mentioned above and a few others, questioning him. Apparently he has a problem with being questioned. Other mods just don't have the time because the server move created such a big mess they spend most of their time bug-fixing. I'm sure there's a couple that have some personal grudge against me because I'm not an ass-kisser who bows and scrapes so they can get themselves self-moderator status and that's why they rarely approve anything of mine (although they still do occasionally, usually for edits that have some minor problem they can complain about) but honestly, who cares, 43,000 edits and counting. I'm an amateur just doing this to pass the time; I have no time for any of the personal issues so many on here seem to have. As I go through old board messages I can see that many of the angry people who still edit on this site behaved the same way LONG before I started here, so really none of this has anything to do with me. Also, if you ever feel upset about a few of my edits not being exactly done right, just remember how many countless edits either approved by you for others or entered by you personally I've had to fix. Do I complain about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. I should be a self-approver here and I expect you agree with that. I prefer to be nominated by a longtime heavy-duty contributor, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if you, plural, is available, ready and willing in the next ~20 hours. I write to a couple others too.<br />
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A couple hours ago, you approved this morning's creation of a parent Nancy Drew collection as by "unknown", noted "1st of 5 this collection". Recently I had deleted the other four, and several more, upon suddenly recognizing that it only creates more work to Make parent titles without attending first to the Juvenile tag, among other things. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:39, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Wind's Twelve Quarters and The Compass Rose ==<br />
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Hi Ron, is [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THWNDSTWLC0000.jpg this image] any use for your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523721 PV here]?<br />
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Same for this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THMNWHFLLD0000.jpg image] for yours [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567977 here]. Kev.<br />
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: Better yet, I can upload to your pubs "your-pub-specific" images which are exactly the same as the Amazon ones if that's ok with you. I'm trying to avoid linked images like the plague now, I did a test to find out the bad things that can happen with linked images. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:41, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I don't worry that much about Amazon images except for the ones known to be unstable. I do know with the SF Masterworks they've frequently had images that differ slightly from the printed copies, but not in this case. However, if you're more comfortable, I can link to your images. No need to duplicate them in the server. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:46, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Demons By Daylight ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/demonsbydaylight0000camp; Does this require a separate entry, having the $6.00 sticker you mention in your notes, or should I just add it to your PV? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:10, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No need for a separate publication record. None of the secondary sources ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983721 Chalker/Owings], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?971274 Jaffery], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?152881 Nielsen], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?709492 Joshi]) mention a change in price, though I'm sure that is what this is. My copy is one of the ones with the sticker. However, the addition of a sticker isn't really a new publication. I've gone ahead and added the link to the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Visions ==<br />
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You verified a {{P|792984|3rd printing}}. I'd like to verify the {{P|278195|4th}} but I have some updates to the contents which are likely the same in your printing:<br />
* artwork on page ii is same as on page 260. I would change the latter to the same title.<br />
* artwork on page 42 is not listed. We could call this "Robot Visions [12]"<br />
* page 82 should say 83<br />
I can update both printings if you're in agreement. Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:13, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:All these changes are fine, except for the repeated artwork on pages ii and 260. A single title record cannot occur twice in the same publication. Thus if you renamed the artwork on page 260 to "Robot Visions" and then tried to merge the two INTERIORART titles, it would create a problem. What we want to do instead is to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?954582 Robot Visions (8)] (changed brackets to parentheses for the wiki markup only) into a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?645229 Robot Visions]. Please feel fee to proceed with the changes. I can help with the variant if you're not familiar with how to do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the help. I found instructions on making variants and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 went ahead]. Hope I got that right. Once that lands I'll go ahead with the edits to both pubs. I could use a clue on creating the new art title "Robot Visions [12]." My guess is I just put that in when editing a publication, and a title entry is automatically created in the db? [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::By sheer coincidence, Robot Visions is next up on my pile and this thread came up on my watchlist. I have the VGSF [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227061 1st printing] if I can be of any assistance :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:34, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Does your book have the same interior art? If so you could add them to the contents, once we're done with the title changes. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Not the same. I'll use your pagination for clarity (mine is different).<br />
::::* Yours has 11 pages of interiorart, mine has 12.<br />
::::* My art in the stories agrees with your pages: ii, 3, 24, 51, 82, 123, 235, 245, 343, 359, 401.<br />
::::* Mine also has art in "Too Bad!" (a couple looking at a robot they're considering buying). It would be good if you would allow a gap for this in your numbering(?) system, so that this one can fit in nicely with the sequence when I add it.<br />
::::* The art for "The Bicentennial Man" is the same as at your ii.<br />
::::* My book pagination is correct at 383 pages and it's counted from the very first page inside the front cover. The first numbered page is page 7 and the Introduction starts on page 9. There are no pages with Roman numerals, as yours has.<br />
::::[edit] It might be a good idea to put a brief description of the art in the title records when the dust has settled, to aid identification and guard against publishers swapping the art around. Let me know if there's anything else. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Kev, [https://photos.app.goo.gl/CrMbkK7oU1AnS3GU7 here are photos] of all the art in {{P|278195|my book}} if you want to compare with yours. If you were comparing with what isfdb currently says, I'm sorry, I haven't fixed that yet. (I'll let you know.) I love your idea of describing the art in the notes. I mean, unless there's a way to put in actual pictures (Ron?) then notes are needed to make the entries useful so I will add some. My book does indeed have roman numerals, only on the TOC pages oddly enough. ymmv. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 14:59, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::I wouldn't suggest linking to scans of the artwork, which is under copyright. I do have a suggestion, though it is a bit more work. There are a few ways that INTERIORART can be named. Here we have named it after the title of the collection, with a numeric disambiguator added to all but the first title. However, we could name each INTERIORART with the title of the story where the artwork occurs (and for which it presumably illustrates). Thus, we would avoid having to name a missed record our of sequence (Robot Visions [12]), and it would also go some way to describe each title. This would make a description less necessary, but it can still be added if desired. I would recommend naming the artwork on page ii as "Robot Visions (frontispiece)" while still making it's repeat on page 260 a variant. The only drawbacks to this, are that it's a bunch of edits, and we would want to notify the active primary verifiers of all the editions. Actually, it looks that aside from us three, that would only include [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]. We should also probably break the variant relationship for the Portuguese title. That title appears to be for all the artwork for the book and not just the frontispiece. This should be checked with the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:12, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::Thanks for the suggestion Ron. I'm willing to tackle this. I was going to edit all the titles anyway so renaming them along the way doesn't seem like much more work. I think it's ok to start with the variant business you proposed above? As I said up there (but easily missed because I foolishly inserted it in the middle of the thread) I already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 a submission] in for that. And as I asked up there, to create a title one just adds it to a publication, and if it doesn't match an existing title a new entry is created? Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 19:45, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Sorry, I meant to answer that. But it sounds like you've got it. Just edit the publication and use the add title button. After you've added it to one publication, you can use the import tools to get it in the other publications. You'll need the Title Record # from either the newly added title (after it is approved), if you want to add an individual title, or you can import all the titles from the container that has the new one. The software is smart enough that it doesn't try to import titles that are already there, so you'll catch anything missing from the target record that is in the source record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:00, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
(unindent) Good idea putting the photos up for me to identify! It does take us a little further down the wormhole though.<br />
* We've each got all 12 artworks.<br />
* My versions of your p.37 (Too Bad!) & p.359 (Galley Slave) have been horizontally reversed - not that that matters to our titling, but it's a nice little observation to include in the ''Publication Notes'' if they're different from your description in the canonical title - for instance, in my publication notes I would add "The image for [........] has been reversed in this collection". This led me to consider how you would describe the art depiction in the ''Title Records''#. The only thing I could come up with to overcome the 'direction' would be something like, for p.37, "....Robot facing ''page-right''." and similarly for p.359. It's a bit more difficult with a couple of others... For the frontispiece (good one Ron) and p.260, the best indicator is the lighting on the robot's hand to ''page-left'': brighter than the other one. For p.235 something like "...top of head hinged up towards ''page-left''."<br />
* I like the titling method: "Robot Visions (frontispiece)", "Robot Visions (Introduction: The Robot Chronicles)" ...etc. This will cover all eventualities I think.<br />
*:Not precisely what I was suggesting. For the artwork on page 3, I would name it "Introduction: The Robot Chronicles"; "Robot Visions" for page 24, "Too Bad!" for page 42, etc. This is how these would be handled if this were a magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:24, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
I appreciate the work you're putting into this, I'm sure the end result will be rewarding :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: It's good practice doing different kinds of edits. I drafted [[User_talk:Fjh#The_Robot_Visions_McQuarrie_INTERIORART_Project_:.29|descriptions]] for each piece of art, if anyone wants to suggest improvements before I start submitting them. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 15:14, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I think you've done a pretty good job of meeting your goals there! Here are some suggestions for you:<br />
::* Too Bad! - "...glasses at left and man at right standing..." - i.e. lose the brackets.<br />
::* The Bicentennial Man - again, lose the brackets, plus:<br />
:::* Make this the canonical and the frontispiece the variant - if a publisher is going to drop one of them, it'd probably be the frontispiece - yes/no?.<br />
:::* "Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket."<br />
::* frontispiece - "Same illustration as for The Bicentennial Man. Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket." - the use of 'variant' could be misconstrued?<br />
:: The other nine descriptions are excellent, and I also like Ron's magazine-like title treatment. Hope this helps.<br />
:: Btw Ron, how much do we owe you for the rent? :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:16, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::No charge. My talk page is your talk page. I just appreciate you and [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] doing all this work. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for the suggestions Kev. Unfortunately by the time I saw them some edits had already landed. You can of course edit again. Sorry too for my long absence, but I am still working on this and eager to wrap it up. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 14:59, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::No problem, thanks for the update. Like you, I'm waiting for the edits to land :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:10, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Now that the dust has settled, may I make some suggestions, beginning with what I think might be a more elegant way of handling the frontispiece...<br />
:::::::* Change "Robot Visions" to either "The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)" or "The Bicentennial Man (as frontispiece)" - your p.ii<br />
:::::::* Make "The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)" a variant of "The Bicentennial Man" - your p.260<br />
:::::::* Change "Robot Visions [3]" to "Robot Visions" - your p.24<br />
::::::At present, all the McQuarrie titles carry a 1990-00-00 date, I'd like to change that to the 1st printing date {{P|203401|1990-04-00}}<br />
::::::Add image descriptions to the title pages for (your) pps ii, 24, 260.<br />
::::::Add the source of the cover art credit to your notes.<br />
::::::If you're in agreement, I'll make the changes. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:24, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::For the title of the artwork on my page ii, I would have named this "Robot Visions (frontispiece)". The naming of the artwork is dependent on where it is located, and in this instance it is nowhere near "The Bicentennial Man". It is the frontispiece of the book as a whole. That being said, I've no objection to the current variant relationship being reversed. I think what you're getting at here is that the artwork illustrates the story. If {{T|954582|The Bicentennial Man}} were the parent title, the fact that is re-used as the frontispiece to the book is a little more obvious. <br />
:::::::I agree that "Robot Visions [3]" should be simply "Robot Visions", provided that we use the "(frontispiece)" disambiguator to the artwork on page ii.<br />
:::::::I've no objections to adding descriptions or source of artist credits.<br />
:::::::While I actually agree with you about the dates, it's against ISFDB policy. The first printing has a {{T|645229|single title}} for all artwork in the book. Each of the individual artwork titles should carry the date of the first time they appeared in our records as individual titles. Right now, they should have the unknown date (0000-00-00). If the overall title in the first printing were replaced with the individual titles, then we could date them 1990-04-00. You could try contacting [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] through the email system (his preference for contact) to see if he is amenable to changing to the individual records. It looks like there is a scan of the book, so we wouldn't need him to provide us with the page numbers. Failing that, you could add them to the {{P|178053|Gollancz}} printing, and we could then use a 1990-09-00 date. I had argued previously that differences in disambiguators or title type (COVERART reprinted as INTERIORART) should carry the date of the original appearance. However, the consensus on that issue went the other way. Thus, we'll need to stick with the earliest appearance as individual titles. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:49, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Hello Ron, I borrowed a copy of the {{P|203401|1990-04-03 Roc hc}} and have started editing it. Also, I've just taken delivery of the {{P|178053|1990-09-13 Guild/Gollancz hc}} (yes, that's the date) - so all things will lead to the sunny uplands from here. I'm tracking all the things which need to be done and so, if you're in agreement, I can make all the necessary changes to {{P|792984|your pub}} (and {{P|278195|fjh's}} too, if he's agreeable). Once those four are in alignment, I'll go on to sort out all the other Robot Visions on the db. If I step off the lighted path, please let me know :) And thanks for all your good advice. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:15, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== plan/progress ===<br />
* done: {{T|954582|pg. 260 art}} is a variant of {{T|645229|pg. ii art}}. {{P|792984|3rd}} and {{P|278195|4th}} printing notes already say these are the same picture.<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art and fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|278195|4th printing}}<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* done: fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* done: add descriptive note to {{T|3146409|new art title}}.<br />
* rename and describe all other interior art:<br />
** [4] Robbie [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5587750 done]<br />
** [2] Introduction: The Robot Chronicles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608873 pending]<br />
** [5] Reason [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608874 pending]<br />
** [6] Runaround [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608876 pending]<br />
** [7] Feminine Intuition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608879 pending]<br />
** [8] The Bicentennial Man [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608893 pending]<br />
** [9] Lenny [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608897 pending]<br />
** [10] Galley Slave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608902 pending]<br />
** [11] Christmas Without Rodney [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608906 pending]<br />
* todo: investigate {{T|2374637|Portuguese title}}<br />
latest update [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 15:42, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258877; I added an Archive.org link in a pending edit to the second VGSF edition and cloned the 17th Roc printing for a 19th printing also on Archive.org, but "Too Bad!" was on p. 37, not p. 3. I fixed it in my edit but 17th has no PV (ChrisJ is only editor in the history) so if anyone has 17th they can fix that; editor also didn't enter Roman numeral (x) in page count so I added that in my edit, too. I'm sure 17th is the same as 19th and editor just made mistakes. 1st printing here has right number for "Too Bad!" but is missing the Roman numeral; PV, Viter, is long-gone so if anyone has that printing they can add the x if it's there, which I'm sure it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Early Asimov Book One ==<br />
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Thanks for moderating [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582810 my submission] to add the introduction to the contents.<br />
Unfortunately I did it wrong. A {{T|3145057|new title}} was created when I wanted to link to {{T|630321|this one}}.<br />
(I have both books in front of me and the contents are the same.)<br />
I don't suppose you have an undo function for that submission?<br />
If not then I think I need to:<br />
* "Remove Titles From This Pub" to get rid of what I just added<br />
* "Import Content" to add it back, as a link to the {{T|630321|existing title}}<br />
* delete the {{T|3145057|unwanted title}}, unless it magically evaporates when nothing links to it<br />
Appreciate your patience as I learn how to do things here. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:40, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No worries. This is actually easy to fix What you want to do is go to either title record and click on the Check for Duplicate Titles tool. This will bring up a list showing both titles. Check both boxes and then click the merge selected records button. There is another page where you would be able to see conflicts and decide what to do with them. In this case, there are none, so you can just click on Complete Merge. Once approved, both publications will have the same title. For your future information, what you wanted to do (i.e. what would have done this in a single edit) is to use the Import Content tool from the publication record. You would then use option 2 to import an individual title. Let me know if you run into any problems. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:23, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: done! that was easy, thanks [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:04, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Masque of Mañana ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584480; Does the ISBN-13 on back cover barcode count? Note says there's none in the second printing, just the ISBN-10 from the original edition. I just fixed the printing wording in the note to what it really says on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'd say no. All of the copyright page and the stated ISBNs above and below the barcode show the 10 digit ISBN. That's probably Don's note, and I suspect it was added because this would have shown up on the cleanup report. However, it's long since been marked as ignored, and removed from that report. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:34, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baby ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409130; I made an edit in 2021 for this, you just made an edit, the Archive.org copy is an uncorrected proof with a higher page count (someone actually wrote in page numbers with a pen), so is it acceptable here to add a link even if it's not exactly the same or should the link be moved to the title record? Because I've seen some other proofs for various books that could be added if it is acceptable. Also, the 1982 Dell PB has been on Archive.org even longer than the proof but was never entered so I just did that but the 1 copy I can see on Amazon has a totally white cover instead of totally black. Not sure what that means; I doubt they released alternate covers for such a relatively minor work but who knows. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:37, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I hadn't realized that the scan was of a proof, which we don't and shouldn't track in the database. I've removed the link and the data added as a result of that scan. I wouldn't add it to the title record. We generally don't track proofs here as they don't meet the definition of published. I did question the note about a publication month that was determined by examining a pre-publication scan. It seems wrong to me, insofar as anything in the proof is merely predictive and there is no way of knowing whether the schedule slipped between when the proof was issued and the book was eventually published. However, the note is likely sufficient to indicate that the publication month we have is unreliable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:31, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov & Silverberg - Nightfall ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you check the title of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24156 essay here]. Should yours be titled ''To the Reader (Nightfall)''? If so, I'm handling four other titles and can fix yours at the same time. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:29, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it is titled "To the Reader". Please go ahead and change it with the others. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Great, will do. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:24, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1000 Faces ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337145; It wasn't supposed to be a mod note, it was supposed to be a note explaining that the price was changed from what was there before when someone entered the wrong price. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Why would we want that in a publication note? After the price is changed, there is no context to show that the price was ever anything else than what is shown. We don't add publication notes stating that incorrect data was changed and I'm unaware that you've ever done so in the past. That note is totally appropriate for a moderator note, but not for a publication note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:OK, if you say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"? ==<br />
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Ron, could you check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178417 The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F] to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:48, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please proceed with the change. The tile with the dash (actually looks like an em dash), appears that way in the table of contents. The title page uses the colon. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Music ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285854; LCCN ID added, publisher was longer, checked FantLab and longer name's on title page so I made it so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please don't do that this way. As I know I've explained before, if you change the publisher on the only publication by that publisher, you effectively erase the existing record for that publisher, and all the data contained therein. It's better to update the publisher record directly (or if that's a moderator only function, ask on the moderator board that it be done). I'm going to reject this edit and I'll update the publisher record as to preserve the existing notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:37, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::So you're saying I should have added LCCN ID and then made another edit in the publisher record changing their name? Is that how it's supposed to be done? Also, I did some edits for 2 books by the same author (C. Pallen) from Manhattanville Press, the only 2 books on ISFDB from that publisher, 1 of which started with "The" and the other, published much later, which didn't, so I differed them; since there's no info on that publisher record it doesn't matter that I changed it from within the book record, right? Is that what you're saying? Also, if the Herald info had been lost it would have been a shame since I'm the one who added it in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Yes, when you change the publisher within a publication record, what you're really doing is removing the existing publisher, and adding a new one. If you remove the last publication to which the old publisher refers, the software will delete that publisher record. So yes, in this case you should have done it in two edits. For your other example, it's correct that it doesn't matter if the publisher being deleted has no additional data. If it had, what you would want to do is to merge the two publishers, which I'm fairly certain is a moderator only function. Even then, if both publisher records have conflicting data, that would have to be resolved during the merge. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:10, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sutro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346448; Transient, couple of titles differ from contents page but I assume you entered them as they appeared at story heads, but "Ships That Pass" says 73, not 23, in copy just added to Dalby's site; https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/collections/newest-shopify-test/products/sutro-miller-ghost-stories-sentinel-publications-1947-paperbacks. Was that an error in book or an entry error here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:53, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Unfortunately, I no longer have that copy. Thus the transient verification. I think it's likely that the page number is our typo, given the record numbers of the individual titles. Please feel free to change that if you'd like. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::http://www.philsp.com/resources/ISFAC/t155.htm#A2781; Fixed page number and another story's date which was actually published years earlier. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:38, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Introduction for The Wit and Wisdom of Discworld ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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you verified two variants of the book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301290 and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?421825). I think the title record for the introduction is very likely wrong. It should be "Introduction: Through the Wardrobe Into Discworld". At least for the ebook I'm sure the title should be as said via Amazon LookInside: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?463079. That would also remove the duplicate title with "&" and "and", as adding the book name would no longer be necessary. Also it would match the German translation title.<br />
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Can you please verify if that's true for your copy? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 09:57, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for pointing this out. I've corrected the titles. I also corrected the book title of the first printing and reversed the parent variant relationship. I'm pretty sure that Doubleday wouldn't have changed between printings, and I'm sure the "and" was introduced because of the cover title. I was also able to verify the Harper trade paperback as having an ampersand for the Amazon look inside version. Oddly, the Harper eBook, uses "and". I suspect some of the other "and" printing are incorrect, but can't find evidence to switch them. In any case, I left the variant of the translation of the introduction to you. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:02, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== J.W. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327628; I think co-editor is this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11081. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:35, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Futures Forestalled ... for Now: South African Science Fiction and Futurism ==<br />
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I was taking a look at {{P|935348|this publication}} based on [[ISFDB:Verification_requests#Futures_Forestalled_..._for_Now%3A_South_African_Science_Fiction_and_Futurism|this discussion]]. As far as I can tell, this is an essay (and not a publication) that appeared in the non-genre magazine [https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/rcwr20/34/1 Current Writing]. I wanted to check with you as the processing moderator to see if you saw something I missed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:51, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the submission, I probably thought I was skipping it rather than approving it. I never intentionally approve submissions with a image link from a site for which we don't have permissions. I do give deference when the submitter is working from their own copy, but the image warning would have made me think this one should not be approved without contacting the submitter. The verifier was active recently. It may be worth reaching out to them to see what they thought they were adding. It looks like this may need to be converted to an essay in a non-genre magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Archer (I) adaptations of Oz novels ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. Recently I recognized that your Peter Archer A{{a|359605}} is distinct from others, so I revised your verified record of ''The Road to Oz'' picture book adaptation, in its 3rd printing of 2009 edition P{{p|366091}}, to distinguish the adapter as Peter Archer (I). A second edit/self-approve was necessary for the chapbook title --you probably know; I didn't.<br />
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Pursuing Peter Archer (I), I learned that that is a joint pseudonym. More descriptive disambiguators and fewer roman numerals are used here recently (CoViD era, i have noticed since returning). Perhaps "Peter Archer (pseudonym)" would be a better choice.<br />
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Byron and {{a|Kathryn Jackson}} are new to the database. (Husband and wife seem likely but I didn't find it stated.) From library records I learned that they adapted at least three Oz novels for Little Golden Books in the early 1950s. Last hour I added the other two as 1952 chapbooks. Library of Congress reports no other Peter Archer adaptations of Oz. WorldCat does not enable any such negative conclusions, as far as I know. <br />
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The number of submissions was greater than should have been. If I understand correctly, best practice is to set all toggles {Non-Genre ; Juvenile ; Novelization ; Graphic Format} and set Length if known --all for the child SHORTFICTION created as content of the new CHAPBOOK. Only then, make that one a variant. Then put parent SHORTFICTION in a series, or add title Note or Synopsis, if appropriate. Right?<br />
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How many of the 4 toggles and Length should be set for the CHAPBOOKs? Here I made the child CHAPBOOK juvenile. Then make CHAPBOOK a variant. New parent CHAPBOOK gets a Note occasionally; no Synopsis or series.<br />
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Your verified ''Road to Oz'' contains CHAPBOOK "The Road to Oz (abridged)" and SHORTFICTION "The Road to Oz". I did not name any of the four 1952 CHAPBOOKs and SHORTFICTION "(abridged)". What do you think nowadays?<br />
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Take a look at all these Peter Archer (I) records if and when you have a chance. For the next 10 days I will be away from home, and maybe away from ISFDB. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have a larger concern about these records. My understanding is that an adapter should not be listed with an author credit, but should be reflected in the notes only. It appears these records were changed after I verified the copy. I'm going to start a new Rules and Standards discussion to ensure my understanding is correct. Regarding your question about the flags being used on CHAPBOOK titles. Non-Genre seems appropriate for chapbooks, as it would place the title record at the bottom of the author's bibliography. The other flags, to my mind appear to apply specifically to the SHORTFICTION, and not to the container (CHAPBOOK). That's just my opinion, and you could pose that question on one of the community boards to get wider input. I did add the disambiguator (abridged) to the SHORTFICTION title. This especially makes sense if the adapter is not listed as an author. It's partially to prevent the software from presenting it as a duplicate of the novel. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:33, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I have been away for most of this fortnight. Now I have redd that new discussion [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements Adaptations and Abridgements (at Rules and Standards)].<br />
:: For my information, does the 2015 publication update by Mhhutchins [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2706045] show up on your report "My Changed Primary Verifications [New!]" or is the report limited in scope to "recent" updates?<br />
:::No it does not. The oldest update listed is from October 2016. This may have been when that report or the underlying data supporting it was added.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:06, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree that the story title should be disambiguated, such as "(abridged)" or "(adapted)". I guess I would call this one an adaptation but I haven't seen it. With DougH, I would prefer to see those or similar parenthetical notations used when titles do not match. <br />
:: I'll take your suggestion concerning CHAPBOOK titles as Juvenile, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:06, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rohmer's Bast Pyramid Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289865; Philsp.com page for this book says J. Lombardero did the cover and I see a little JL on the lower right. I assume if his name was in the book you would have entered it so how should it be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:21, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well your eyes are better than mine. I can't find the initials even with a magnifying glass. Since the artist is not credited in the book, you should add it as the canonical name, i.e. {{A|Joseph Lombardero}}. When you not the source, I'd go with "The Page of Fu Manchu". Galactic Central (philsp.com) hosts a large number of indexes and bibliographies, so giving the domain name doesn't really give enough information to identify the source. Especially, as in this case, when they are only hosting the site, rather than creating it. Good find. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:51, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK, I made an edit, but this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27160, reveals that the other 5 Pyramid covers done by Lombardero for Rohmer have all been entered, but as J. It's a mess, with 1 PV mentioning the artist is credited on the back cover (as J.), 1 non-PV mentioning the same thing, some not mentioning anything, etc. Only 1 has an active PV (I think), MLB, and he doesn't complain much about change these days, so if you or some other Rohmer fan wanted to look at this further I'm sure you could probably improve things. I assume your back cover doesn't say anything; if it does it would probably say J., which means my edit entering Joseph will need to be cancelled. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::As I mentioned above, there is no credit on the book, which includes the back cover. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:43, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== My Favorites in Suspense ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597540; I believe the other Archive.org copy, which you worked on, is a book club edition. It has the same incomplete copyright page as the one here, https://www.ebay.com/itm/185721019229; publisher should be Random House / BCE, I think. There's also the question of where external ID's really belong since neither copy is the original edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well, no. {{P|570083|this}} publication record is clearly for the trade edition. The link to the scan was added to the record. The record was not created from that scan. I guess that may be a scan of a book club edition, but there's not really enough evidence to say definitively. It's possible that the copyright page of the trade edition would include a printing or edition statement, or the LCCN. However, there are many examples of trade books that do not. If we were certain that the scan was for a book club edition, it should be removed from this record, but I'm not certain. Feel free to clone that record to create a record for the book club edition, if you'd like. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:32, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Well, OK. At least there'll be another edition here soon once mine is approved. I see there's this, too, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334763510639, a third printing, so I don't know how many times they printed this thing, but I also found this, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334768776674, a first printing, so that's likely the original non-book club edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::And thus you've proven that the title page differs for the first edition. I've removed the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:01, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== PKD - Dr. Bloodmoney ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm about to add a 2003 3rd printing of your {{P|289298|2004 4th printing}} and I notice that your novel title is the long version. Is that correct, or should it be just "Dr. Bloodmoney"?<br />
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edit... and what about this {{P|115221|1st printing}} while we're at it? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:03, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've changed the record for my copy. You should contact [[User talk:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] about the first printing. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks Ron, I've alerted Pete to this. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Necronomicon's Reanimator ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309542; I corrected a minor mistake (On/One) but noticed that every cover I can see online says $3.95 on the lower right corner, not $3.50. SFE has a clear cover showing the price. Wrong verification or higher-priced reprint? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:{{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the price as $3.50. They also note, as does {{Reginald3}} that it was reprinted in 1985 with C/O stating that there were additional reprints after. I would assume that the covers you are seeing are from later printings. Reginald also has a variation in title between the 1977 and the 1985 editions, and I'm still researching that. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:58, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I see price is $3.95 now; what changed? Also, you probably know already but there's this, too: https://fantlab.ru/edition249786. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:38, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Well, after seeing that the cover included the date, and that it was listed on several sale listings described as the first edition from 1977, I determined that Chalker/Owings were probably in error about the price. Fantlab is for a different printing than the two I working with. Feel free to add it if you'd like. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:47, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Guinever's Gift ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5598537; I made some changes in case that affects your verifications since this isn't the regular edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please don't make edits converting the publication record of the trade edition of a book into the book club edition. The record you were trying to change is clearly for the trade edition. It includes the ISBN. The linked Worldcat record has the ISBN and notes first edition. The publisher name nor the notes indicate that it is a book club edition. The only piece of data that is incorrect is the link to the scan (which I've now removed). As that link was obtained from a [https://www.worldcat.org/title/606129407 Worldcat record] which also indicates that it is a first edition, and upon your further research it is incorrect. The problem with the edit you attempted is that it effectively deletes the trad edition and replaces it with a book club edition. It also would create a record with incorrect external ids as they all refer to the trade edition. I'm going to reject your edit for these reasons. If you wish to add the book club edition, please submit a new edit cloning the existing record, which is a better approach as it doesn't delete the trade edition. Also, if you see a publication record with an incorrect scan, feel free to submit an edit removing that link with an explanation that it belongs to a different edition. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I added LCCN, cover artist (only photo of full back flap I could find anywhere and even then it's barely legible) and cover image to trade edition; however, I can't find price anywhere since almost every auction online is for the book club, so maybe you or someone can find it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:41, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Carnival Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8771; I added LCCN and also month/day to reg. title and cover art only to see Wiki says October, not May 10. Did you write the note about where the exact date came from? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:36, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I did not, but it is in the LOC Catalog of Copyright Entries on page 192 [https://archive.org/details/catalogofcopyrig311libr/page/n207/mode/2up here]. That note appears to have been added by [[User talk:PatConolly|PatConolly]] on 2019-09-15. My only complaint about your edit is that LCCN numbers of that vintage generally have a dash instead of 0s. I don't know precisely when LOC stopped using the dashes, but is was at the end of the 20th century. Since the LCCN does not appear in the the book, it's a minor quibble. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:53, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I enter LCCN as they appear on the LoC site; as long as clicking the ID link leads to the right page on their site it seems OK to me. If pre-2000 LCCN should have had dashes then somebody should have said something before countless moderators approved the hundreds/thousands of LCCN I've entered in the last 2+ years. I think I'll ask on Community if anyone can whip up something that can automatically change all LCCN entered here with 00 to -; unlikely but you never know. In this case I'll cancel my edit and enter it with the dash since this is a seminal work that should have info entered exactly right. Re: the date, it seems more right to me that a horror collection would be released in the month of Halloween, but then most of what Arkham House released was horror so it could very well have been released earlier like other books of theirs that year; just to be safe I'll remove the month changes and just do the LCCN. If anyone can say for sure what the exact date is then those can be changed later. EDIT: I added LCCN with the dash and the FantLab ID which I've somehow never entered and noticed something: there are several cover photos on their site and it's signed G. Barrows + front flap says George Barrows, yet George Burrows is entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The artist name should be changed. However, it would be best to change at the author level. I'll check with the other verifiers to ensure it's ok to change all instances. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MoM ==<br />
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Re: your rejection, it was discussed with him/her on their board under the title "A Month of Mystery". Usually we wait until they reply before rejecting (which rarely happens because they usually agree with the changes(s) I made). I'm not clear on what you mean about deleting the trade edition, the one that I entered recently. PV edition is book club (fewer pages; https://www.ebay.com/itm/266154678368) and needs BCE in publisher to differ it from the trade edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:15, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The policy is that you should seek (and receive) agreement before you submit the edit. I know that's how I've explained it to you in the past. The current record is for a trade edition of the book that has been verified by two editors. If your edit had been approved, there would no longer be a record for the first printing of the trade edition. There would only be a record for a book club edition and the second printing of the trade edition. Even if [[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] agreed that their copy is a book club edition, there would still be a verification for the trade edition that can't be questioned as the editor is no longer active. What you should have done, is to clone this publication record to make a record for the book club edition. Then if Swfritter has the BCE, they should move their verification to the new record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:51, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I see. OK. I think I'll give up on this particular area of editing; way too many books were PV that have wrong info entered, in many cases this same issue of people not knowing or caring exactly what edition of the book they had, and my trying to fix them is more trouble than it's worth. There's endless other things to be done here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:20, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stained-Glass World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; You're the last person in the edit history so I'm letting you know that when I was adding an Archive.org link I noticed that even though it says July in book and in note here someone entered the month as April. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:06, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well, since my edit added only Worldcat and Reginald numbers and neither source gives more than the year, I have no special insight as to what the date should be. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:41, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Disciple ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246597; I made the 1 missing story that I added to this collection a variant of author's parent name but what's the procedure to get rid of the 6 variant titles in the contents? Should I correct the titles under the alternate name as I did for the name used in the book? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:51, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'm not sure I completely understand what you are asking. Are you saying that there are title records in this book that are incorrect? If so, what you depends on whether they occur in any other publications. If not, then you can correct the title record. If the title is in another publication, then you should add a new title to this publication record, and make it a variant to the canonical title. You would then need to remove the incorrect title record from this publication. If you are asking about something else, please explain further. Links to the titles you think are incorrect and what you think needs updating would be helpful. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:04, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I'm asking about the 6 stories in the link that say "variant"; as you know since you approved it, I corrected several incorrect titles but those titles are still incorrect under the alternate name. So how do I get both names to display the same correct title? Do I have to retitle them individually, merge, or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:14, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All of the contained titles in that work are variants. However, when a variant differs in title from its parent, it is displayed with both titles. If you updated the canonical title, it would have no effect on the variant title. This makes sense as one of the purposes of variant titles is to show variations in title. Then my answer above is what you want and how you'd proceed depends on whether the variant title appears in other publications or not. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:34, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hyde & Wintz - Précieuses reliques ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you process [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601198 my submission] for this title that I asked in the Moderator note to not process. Marty has given me great advice which I will take post approval. I'll fix the titling, "nom" -> "Nom" and anything else I can find. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:07, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Sure. Done. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:16, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Smooth running :) Thanks. Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:26, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Resurrectionist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601382; Isn't the procedure to unmerge when the artist name is different as I explained in my note, HefferMan vs. HefferNan? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's easier to remove the incorrect COVERART title from the publication that is in error. Then add a new COVERART title to the same pub. These can be done in either order, but best to explain in the notes to the moderator what is intended for subsequent edits. Of course you'll also have to build the variant relationship once the new title is created. The issue with unmerging, is that until you update the author credit on the unmerged title, it will appear as a potential duplicate both in the cleanup reports and if anyone checks for duplicates. Given that approvals are running two days behind from submissions, that creates a window where the titles could get re-merged. I will note that you could have expanded a bit in your note to the moderator. Maybe specifically stating that the author credit is different rather than listing the two names and expecting the moderator to recognize they differ. Your note left me wondering if you wanted to make a variant between the paperback and hardcover editions because of differences in trim. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Same or different authors / artists? ==<br />
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Hello, Ron! We have both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273536 Tania Ianovskaia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?225848 Tatiana Ianovskaia], both did interior art related to Lewis Carroll's work, which brings up the question if they are related, or even maybe one and the same person. They both pop up in publications verified by you, for example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?668434 here] (Tania). Would it be possible for you to take a look into the identities? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:26, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Christian<br />
:The credits are as they appear in each book. ''The Annotated Alice'' has short biographies of the artists and mentions that Tatiana illustrated some Carroll books that were published by "Tania Press". There's also [https://www.lewiscarroll.org/2008/07/17/tanias-alice/ this post] from the Lewis Carroll Society of North America that uses both "Tania" in the header, and "Tatiana" in the body of the post. I think this is enough evidence that they are the same person, and I'm going to make the variant relationship. Despite the number of titles that we have, I'm going to make Tatiana canonical. From what I'm seeing, that appear to be how she is most often credited in books which we don't seem to have in the database, but could. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Tanya/Tania is also a very common diminutive for Tatiana in Russian (it is also a name on its own of course). Which also adds to the evidence. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:04, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Minotaur Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello Ron. Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284345 this] pblication. Cound you ell me if your copy is a limited edition (of 500) signed by Charles de Lint, George Barr, Robert Collins and Mathew Hargreaves. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:21, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:It is. I'm guessing that you are asking because you want to verify the publication? If so, feel free to add notes about the limitation, or I can do that if you'd prefer. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I will indeed be verifying it once the copy I ordered arrives from the US. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:23, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Coming Attractions in F&SF July-Aug 2015 ==<br />
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Hi, you're one of 2 PVs of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?526483 this magazine issue]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1883751 Coming Attractions] seems to have a couple of minor (*) issues:<br />
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* It's categorized as a COLLECTION, should be an ESSAY I think?<br />
* The "July-June" in the title seems a bit odd, looking at the similar entry in other issues, I'm guessing it should be "July-August"?<br />
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(* - minor, but the unexpected type is enough to break some program code I'm working on that is using the short fiction data...)<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:48, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aldiss - Cryptozoic! ==<br />
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Hi Ron, re this {{P|633905|1st printing}}, am I right in thinking we record the "official" pub date, not when it becomes available? Gollancz.co.uk and Amazon date is 2017-11-02. What do you think?<br />
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Even worse, [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL26792277M/Cryptozoic Open Library] has 2017-03-19. Kev.<br />
:My recollection is that there have been several discussions regarding publication dates over the years. I did find a [[Rules and standards discussions/Archive/Archive20#Proposed Date help text revision|recent update discussion]] that points to [[Template:PublicationFields:Date|this template]] (see Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality). Looking at the edit history, it appears that [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] changed the date and added that note. You may want to reach out to him to find out what his thought process was. I've no objection if the date changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:28, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for taking the time to root out those links for me and I've left a note on his page. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:29, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::: As a Transient verifier I'll defer to the PVs. No problem here if the date is amended. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:11, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks both of you for your help. I've submitted an edit to change the date and expand the notes. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:01, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:44, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Necropolis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1482; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/138662_6; While adding LCCN and FantLab ID to Arkham House first printing, which you PV, I noticed 1 of the FantLab photos says second printing on copyright page. Second isn't verified here so I don't know if seeing an actual photo would help to add anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:20, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I don't read Russian, is the Fantlab record for the first or second printing? Since they are showing pictures of the reprint and show no data that is inconsistent with the reprint, I would assume it's for the second printing. In that case the Fantlab id should be added to that record and not that of the first printing. If that record is for the first printing, then showing only photographs of the second printing is misleading. Please cancel your submission and add only the LCCN to the first printing. You can add the Fantlab ID can be added to the record for the second printing with any additional data that you can find from that record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:46, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Right-click, "Translate to English". Also, I'll cancel and just add LCCN; there's already a link to an Archive.org copy of the first printing, so if anyone ever has the second printing and PV it that'll be better than relying on FantLab's usual jumble of random photos without any context. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thieves' World Printing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?299652; What's the number line in your copy which you said is 2nd printing? Because there's one of those OL-only non-preview copies which has 2 4 6 8 0 9 7 5 3; I think that means 3rd printing, which is not on ISFDB. There are many other Asprin books which are also OL-only. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That number line, which matches the one in my copy, is for a second printing. You'll note that the lowest number in the line is "2". Sometimes publishers put the odd numbers on one side with the even numbers on the other. My understanding is that number lines were created so that the plates for a printing could be used for a subsequent printing by scraping off the prior printing number. When a number line is done in the manner of this one, it keeps the line roughly centered on the page as each number is scraped off. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, so I'll add the link to your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete ==<br />
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Hi Ron, with reference to your approvals [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604143 5604143] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604180 5604180], could you delete the related, old images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSTRSMDSF0000.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSTRSMDST2010.jpg here] for me, to prevent them being reverted. The old ones do not have the Haldeman quote. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:53, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:40, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov G&S ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?741539; Copy uploaded on Archive.org in 2014, your PV in 2019, I want to add a link but the front flap price, $50.00, and the back flap month, 0388, are visible along with artist's signature on back cover (good for notes), so I want to enter those, too. Is your copy coverless, which would explain why you didn't enter those bits of info? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My copy does have a jacket. However, the price is inked out. I suspect that it was originally given as a gift as there is an inscription on the flyleaf. I'm less sure about dating by the jacket date and have started a [[Rules and standards discussions#Dates on Dust Jackets|Rules and Standards discussion]] to see how we want to treat these dates. However, I was able to get a full publication date from the LOC copyright record, so the jacket date is moot in this case. I generally don't note the source of the artist credit when it is somewhere in the book. If we were to do this for every piece of data in the record, it would soon get unwieldy. I might have done so if the artist was identified by signature alone, since that can be a matter of interpretation. I did add a note about the copyright office, because that source is unexpected. As I approve my own edits, I don't need to let the moderator know where the data came from. It's still a good idea to add such sources in the moderator notes. Thanks for finding the scan. I've also added that to the record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:37, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Run ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606436; The 1999 date was wrong, as should have been obvious juding by the awards which were for books published in 2000, but apparently someone entered the date long ago from somewhere and never bothered changing it; the HC is 2000, PB is 2001. When I entered the new PB edition the merged title date still said 1999 because my edit changing it to the correct date of 2000 hadn't been approved yet. That's why, so this should be un-rejected so the correct title date is shown. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My mistake for thinking you were adding a 1999 publication. I'm still not used to the title data appearing on the publication update approval page, which was a recent change. As it was, I had originally skipped the title update as there was no explanation in the moderator notes as to why you were making the change. Even here, I'm not sure that dating based on award years is dispositive. However, I've checked Worldcat and the earliest publication they have is from 2000, so I'll go ahead and approve this one. You frequently add moderator notes, but not always. You may want to add them to more edits, especially, as in this case, when the reasons for your edit are unclear. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:51, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dance of Demons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8641; I've been trying to standardize New Infinities books, as I said on Community Portal, and you are the only active PV of the 5 Gord books, but while the other cover images are the same as the covers of the Archive.org copies the image for Dance of Demons has the same ID on the upper left that I mentioned re: Sea of Death on CP while the Archive.org copy, https://archive.org/search?query=dance-of-demons, doesn't, and also it has New Infinities and BSM logo while image doesn't. So it seems there are other editions out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I no longer have access to the book as evidenced by the fact that the verification is transient. I don't recall whether that scan was from my physical copy or not. Please feel free to upload a new cover from the Internet Archive scan. Let me know when you've done so and I can delete the old scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:57, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Can't do that as it's dark, was photographed badly with lens flare, and has a price sticker on it. There's several copies on eBay. I'm just trying to fix the various publisher names and get them all down to 2, with Ace and without; I get the feeling after I'm done with that some new editions with those ID's on the cover will be added and then cover images can be taken care of for everything. The one New Infinities cover by Gygax that I tried to replace ISFDB's cover with gave me a warning because it's a "nicholls" which is not one of the approved subdirectories on SFE, even though it probably should be because Peter Nicholls passed away a few years ago. Maybe somebody here with some pull can convince them to grant access to more of their images. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:11, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The One Tree ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159731<br />
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Mine says:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>"First Hardcover Edition: April 1982"</li><br />
<li>"First International Edition: April 1982"</li><br />
</ul><br />
Thus seems to indicate a publication date of April 1982 instead of 1983 for del rey's pb edition. I also spot some layout differences on the cover, so maybe this is a different edition?<br />
--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 16:47, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Spacecow<br />
:You have a different edition. Mine has "First Edition: April 1982" over "Paperback format:" over "First Edition: April 1983". There is no mention of an international edition, nor is the first edition specified as hardcover, though you could assume so as the paperback edition is specified. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:53, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for fast reply. I'll create a new publication. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:54, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cadigan - Synners ==<br />
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Hello Ron, can I suggest the pagination for the {{P|390622|1st printing}} should be xiii+475. Gaiman's introduction finishes on the last numbered page xiii before the novel. And pages 476-477 are acknowledgements and unnumbered. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:28, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I completely agree with your proposed change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::And submitted :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:51, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Topper ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269056; SFE just added a cover image and it is clearly signed "C V Farrow" on lower right corner but ISFDB image doesn't have a signature. Is there a signature on your copy or a credit for Farrow in your copy (maybe it's coverless)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My copy lacks a dustjacket. I don't recall where I got that cover scan from. Please feel free to add the cover artist and upload a new scan if you can find a better one. The SFE one has some condition issues. [https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/4954/thorne-smith/topper-an-improbable-adventure Facsimile Dust Jackets] has it, but that would need to be cropped. Good find. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:07, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Purcell Papers ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=purcell+papers+arkham&sort=-addeddate; Another copy was just upped on Archive.org, sticker with $8.95 price on flap, new edition or just add link to old one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I don't think this necessitates a new publication record. I added a note about the price increases from Jaffery. My recollection was that I purchased this one directly from Arkham House. However, my copy has no sticker. Personally, I wouldn't add a second scan since we already have one. However, if you feel it's important, you can go ahead and do so. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:16, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I added a link to the new copy because the old one is an ex-library with sticker on front cover, library stamp on copyright page and card jacket inside the cover, etc. Also, the new copy's cover is better then the one on ISFDB in my opinion, with sharper color and more art visible on left and right and bottom (you can see the artist's signature), any objection to my uploading the new cover and replacing the one here? I also noticed there's some kind of slip inside the front flap in the new copy and someone wrote something next to the back flap that looks like 10.00, probably meaningless but noted anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, you can go ahead and upload that cover. That slip looks like a bookplate. Neither that, nor the handwritten note you mention need be mentioned. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:24, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::OK, uploading the cover, ignoring the rest. Just a note that I also have a pending edit adding an Archive.org link to an ex-Canadian library copy of C. Jacobi's AH collection Portraits in Moonlight, but there's no cover so not really helpful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Slipstream Journal ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I suspect there is a good reason why you added the series number to the notes {{P|394841|here}} and not elsewhere. What's wrong with doing it as these submissions? Please reject them if they are wrong... [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621013 #1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621014 #2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621012 #3], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621011 #4]. Thanks, kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:05, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev<br />
:The reason I moved the issue number to the notes was because I was removing it from the title field so that it would conform to the standards. See [[Template:PublicationFields:Title|this help template]] 3rd and last bullets. As I didn't want to lose the issue number data, I moved it to the notes. The last time this standard was discussed, I recall that it was proposed that a new field be added for the issue numbers (volume and issue or whole number). However I don't recall if there was decision to move forward with proposal. Regardless, a [[Template:PublicationFields:Title|publication series]] should not be used for magazines or fanzines. Magazines/Fanzines are handled differently from other types of publications. For example, the rules for the title field and the fact that all issues from a given year with a given editor share a singe title record. The series for Magazines/Fanzines is handled with a title series. I'll go ahead and reject those edits. Let me know if something is unclear or if you have further questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:48, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Holdstock - Mythago Wood ==<br />
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Hi Ron, does your {{P|604046|1st printing}} contain an excerpt? If it does, I can enter it as:<br />
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:299 * Avilion (excerpt) * (2014-11-27) * short fiction by Robert Holdstock<br />
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Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:27, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:It does. Thanks for finding that and you can go ahead and add it. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's good, will do :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:06, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done. I also replaced the Amazon image while I was there - if you could just check that's ok. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:34, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roadmarks pub date ==<br />
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Hi Ron, your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 verified pub] has a pub date of 2022-00-00, although several online sources ([http://zenoagency.com/news/roger-zelaznys-roadmarks-out-today-in-the-uk e.g.]) cite 2023-01-19. Can you check? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 04:57, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The copyright pages states "This edition first published in Great Britain in 2022 by Gollancz..." I would have thought that the 2023-01-19 was a street date. However, I received my copy on January 6, in the US. I checked my emails and the bookseller indicated that it was shipped on December 29. There is also an earlier email from December 25 stating that the publisher had released the book and it was on its way to the bookseller's warehouse. So it does look like while published late in the year, it was published in 2022. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:30, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Finney - The Body Snatchers ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as I'm editing a later printing of this {{P|328224|1st printing}}, I see that both Amazon and orionbooks.co.uk are listing the pub date as 2010-10-14. Would you agree to my amending the date to that. If that's ok, I'll submit. I'd also amend the Intro title date. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:07, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's fine with me. Please amend the note to state that both the month and day are not stated in the book. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. Just check you're happy with the notes wording :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:47, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sterling & Gibson - The Difference Engine ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm editing my 9th printing of {{P|337727|this one}}. In mine the novel ends on page 383, not 384 (and there's the {{P|435107|3rd printing}} as well).<br />
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Also, there are seemingly two versions of this cover. Mine has Gibson above Sterling, the reverse of Amazon's. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:16, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::...and I've done the 3rd printing. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:23, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boulevard Assassin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7270; Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin is titled The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin in the anthology, Resurrected Holmes, where it first appeared but the title in Claremont is actually The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin. Both editions of Resurrected Holmes are on ISFDB but only 1 story was entered in the HC and none in the TP. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:59, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected the title. Feel free to import any missing titles to the anthology records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:53, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You didn't correct the title correctly. Per my note above, title in Lupoff's collection is "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin", original title in Kaye's anthology is "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin". You added "The" but not "s" in "Adventures". So, when you've done that, feel free to enter the title in both editions of the anthology and variant the collection's title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well presumably you have a source for the contents of the anthologies, which I do not. Your source would also perhaps have the page number on which the story occurs. Perhaps you even still have the publication records open in a tab since you presumably looked at them to determine the story was missing. I see no reason to redo research that you've already done. If you don't want to take the effort to add the contents to those anthologies, I wonder why you researched them in the first place. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Regardless of whether you feel like entering the original title of Lupoff's story in the 2 anthology records, which I would think would be necessary since the later title in Lupoff's collection with the extra "s" would need to be made a variant of it, the title was entered incorrectly in the collection when it was first added here long ago and you didn't replace it with the correct title earlier today even though I said above what the correct title is. I have a pending edit adding the Archive.org link to the collection but I didn't fix the title myself because, as you've complained about many times, any changes that aren't minor, which this is not, need to be asked about first. There are 2 PV of the collection, you and some dude named Dmatlock who hasn't been here since 2010, so you are the only active PV. It clearly states in the collection where the story originally came from, so why it wasn't imported to the anthology back whenever you or somebody else entered it is a mystery. Lupoff isn't some obscure author so I would think you would want this done right. You seem to be one of the main PV of the old-time pulp stuff judging by all your verifications of Arkham House books and suchlike, so these Holmes pastiches should be right up your alley; they're not up mine. Perhaps most of the contents are non-genre but Lupoff should still be entered, being above the threshold. You obviously have a copy of the collection since you PV it, but if you really need me to point you to the anthology, here it is: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL9324870M/The_Resurrected_Holmes; they even list the contents in the OL record itself where it can be clearly seen that there's no "s" in the title and they actually list all the page numbers so you don't have to waste time actually opening the book's link. If you can't be bothered with any of this it's no big deal; I have 450 pending edits waiting to be approved. Speaking of which, I can understand why my Moonchasers edits are on hold since Feb. 18 because a TP copy still needs to be found to determine the correct title, but did any of you ever decide per your recent discussion on one of these boards what's to be done about the whole Argo/McElderry/Atheneum publisher/pub. series thing? Because I have 3 of those on hold since Feb. 23. If not, let me know and I'll just cancel all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Sorry, but demanding that another editor submit edits on your behalf, for which you've done the research and only share incomplete information seems particularly petulant. Your held edits are discussed [[User talk:Username#Title Change of One of Multiple Publications with the Same Title|here]] where you've failed to respond, and [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Atheneum publisher.|here]]. There is no consensus yet. You're welcome to join in that discussion. Regarding the numerous other edits of yours that are aging, the ones I've skipped generally fall into two categories. Either they are inadequately sourced, or active verifiers have not been notified. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Maybe I'm not understanding all of this correctly, but you, the PV of a collection where one of the story titles was entered wrong here, being neither the same as the title as it originally appeared in Kaye's anthology or as it actually appears in the collection (and neither the editor who entered the contents or you or anybody in the intervening years seemed to notice it was wrong), and was never made a variant of the parent title because for some reason nobody ever entered the story in the contents of the anthology, had it brought to your attention by me, as I've done with hundreds/thousands of other wrong things entered here by the many editors who came before me, that it was wrong and, instead of saying thanks and fixing the title, and possibly actually entering the story in both editions of the anthology that are on ISFDB so you could make the collection's title a variant of it, decided to argue about this. If you had not bothered to enter the original title in the anthology and just fixed the title in your PV that would have been acceptable but you didn't do that and entered it wrong even though I wrote how it appears and you should know anyway because you actually own the book. The least you could have done if you have some kind of problem with doing anything in books you didn't PV is add a note in the story's record saying "first published in Resurrected Holmes" or something similar so people would know where it came from but I don't see any note. There's nothing petulant about this, it's simply making sure a book you PV has correct info entered, which may not be required but seems like the right thing to do on a site that claims to be about accuracy; Lord knows I've corrected countless things in other books that are PV. As for the edits you skipped, they are being taken care of now and then by other mods and, as far as I can recall, every single one of them was approved, so it seems to me that your skipping them is more out of spite than because there was really anything wrong with them; it's not relevant, anyway, because the vast majority of those 450 pending edits are very recent and weren't skipped but are just laying there because of the complete disorganization here (made even worse by the recent server move) in getting edits approved in a timely manner, as can be seen by the many messages on the boards complaining that edits are taking a long time to get approved. Whatever your real problem is, I don't care. I don't like most of the people here, their childishness or anger not to mention the low quality of much of their editing, but I continue to do what I do because my personal feelings mean nothing; this is a site about books. So you can do what I suggest or not, whatever, none of this really means anything, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:03, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Silverberg's ''Needle in a Timestack'' cover art ==<br />
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Hi Ron, quick question for a side project I'm working on: How is the cover art credited on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?834559 verified pub]? If it's just a picture agency/library and not an artist, which agency? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Actually I have the same question for many of the recent Masterworks: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943091 Lord Valentine's Castle], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?798420 Bold As Love], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?810578 Desolation Road], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?826915 The Best of Greg Egan], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854301 White Queen], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865798 Kairos], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 Roadmarks], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 Nineteen Eighty-Four], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 Life], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 The Chronicles of Amber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908772 The Second Chronicles of Amber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897 Growing Up Weightless] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897 The Secret of Life]. I think it's a shame the series are using so many generic stock images these days, and I'd much rather they commissioned artists. Anyway, sorry for your trouble, and thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 12:26, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You and [[User:BanjoKev|Kev]] are killing me with the Masterwoks titles ;-) I agree with you about the stock images. Although, I generally like the covers. I'm not sure that I agree that the various companies should be listed as artists and generally don't list them for the records I enter. I know other do, and I've no objection if folks add the names to my publications. Anyway, I thing I've got them all:<br />
:::* {{P|834559|Needle in a Timestack}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|943091|Lord Valentine's Castle}} - Image © Gerry Images<br />
:::* {{P|798420|Bold As Love}} - Images © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|810578|Desolation Road}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|826915|The Best of Greg Egan}} - Illustration © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|854301|White Queen}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|865798|Kairos}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|930344|Roadmarks}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873253|Nineteen Eighty-Four}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873102|Life}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873253|The Chronicles of Amber}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|908772|The Second Chronicles of Amber}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|913897|Growing Up Weightless}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|916090|The Secret of Life}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::Hope that's helpful --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for the accolade Ron, just when I needed a good laugh :) (...just come along with us, Sir, and mind your head as you get in the car...). Seriously though, I don't think "generic stock images" quite describes what's happening. People who create images put them up to these image libraries in the hope that someone (a publishing house perhaps) will want to use them. I don't think anybody "at", say, Shutterstock actually creates any images - they might provide several images to Gateway and then Gateway arranges them. Sometimes the agency gets the copyright, sometimes the creator, depends on their T&Cs. Take a look at the notes in this pub, Doc Smith's {{P|700037|Galactic Patrol}}. I searched for ages on Shutterstock to eventually find the artist. In that case, one artist created the whole image, but in, say, your White Queen, there are likely two elements to that picture, created by "artists" but the credit goes to Shutterstock. Anyway, that's my 2p, I hope you don't mind me jumping in. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:46, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 submitting] an edit to this {{P|602865|1st printing}}. Would you take a look and let me know if you are agreeable to the essay title changes in particular, as well as the addition of the 3rd essay. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:32, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My first impression is that I don't really agree with the title changes for the essays. To me, that really looks like a simple author credit for each essay. Also, if we do change the title, I'm not sure is we still need the parenthetical disambiguator. However, they are also singed at the end. I'll add an inquiry on the Community Portal to see what other folks think, and hold the edit pending that discussion. The rest of the edit is fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:44, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for putting that up to the portal Ron, it's cleared up something that's been nagging at me for a while. I've cancelled the original and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5628098 resubmitted], amending the titling errors. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:40, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nailed By the Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372; I'm not sure what happened there, but I made another edit with right link; however, while doing that, I noticed that the original Brit HC/PB and the 2010 edition have totally different art and yet Steve Crisp is credited on the back of both. Since his ISFDB page stops in 2005 (except for a 2017 cover that may or may not be original) and the 2010 art doesn't look like his usual style and is just the usual modern mass-market stock photo, I think his credit there is in error and was just reprinted from the old editions. But who knows, just mentioning it in case anyone knows and can unmerge if he really did both or delete his credit from 2010 if he didn't do that one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:59, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Union ==<br />
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Hi Ron, <br />
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I was working on forthcoming books and Fixer found the new Dragon Soul Press anthology which got me to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938978 this record]. After fixing quite a lot of issues which one would expect to be caught during moderation (see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JarlFrank#Union my message to the user]), I noticed that you moderated but never edited it after that - probably an oversight so just heads up - especially as it is a new editor who won't learn how to do things if we do not help them :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:47, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about that. I did miss the poorly formed suffix and the amazon link. I noted the format was not entered, and thought that odd, but I generally give quite a bit of deference to primarily verified submissions. Regarding the add this ASIN. I thought our policy was to not add those when an ISBN is present. I did catch a similar error on another submission and advised the submitter that there is no need to add a link as Amazon links are auto generated in the sidebar. My understanding was that is the same reason for not adding ASINs when there is and ISBN. In any case, I'll try to be more careful going forward. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: This is an ISBN starting with 979. These do not form their ASINs by getting the ISBN10 as these do not exist - so the side link cannot create a link for these books as the side bar (try to click on it to see what happens and compare that to a 978 ISBN book ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?936640 for example]) and the Amazon URLs in general use the ASIN and not the ISBN so switching the bar to ISBN13 is not an option. So for books with 979 ISNBs, we generally also want the ASIN (it always starts with B) so we can have a link to Amazon. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:08, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm getting a valid link in the sidebar for the US Amazon from the book with the 979 isbn and it does not appear to be forming it from the ASIN external id (<nowiki>https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_66%3A9798376838440&tag=isfdb-20</nowiki>). I also tried a random publication {{P|911048}} with an ISBN starting with a 979 and no ASIN. Again, the Amazon US sidebar link if fine. My recollection is that I noticed the comment discouraging adding ASINs in a conversation on one of the boards. It was some years ago, and I don't believe it is documented anywhere, so perhaps I was mistaken. Perhaps someone was trying to move traffic to the sidebar links to that we would get the commission on the sale. I believe that is moot now as I recall Amazon discontinued that program, although we still have a disclaimer on the links. In any case the sidebar links seem to be fine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: It drops you into the search screen with the whole book selected but NOT into the edition as a 978 ISBN link or an ASIN link does. We do not record ASINs which are ISBN10; if they start with B, we always record them. And that had been documented [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here]: "Look for the "ASIN" line in the "Product Details" section of the page. If the ASIN matches the ISBN10 of the book, do not record it. Most ASINs will start with B but for some older books, there may be exceptions." for a long time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:52, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959 ==<br />
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For your verified {{P|61294|The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959}}, I updated the title of the story on page 5 from "Tenth Time Around" to "Tenth Time Round" based on the [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v016n05_1959-05_PDF/page/n3/mode/2up Internet Archive scan]. This seemed pretty straightforward based on the scan, but let me know if on the off chance there were two versions of this magazine and we need updates. I am posting this message on all active verifiers' pages. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:32, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Venture Science Fiction [UK] ==<br />
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Our [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29404 Venture Science Fiction &#91;UK&#93;] records contain a publication note of "Editor from Tymn & Ashley [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?88429 here]." Where the here is a title record link to {{T|88429|The Inscrutable God}}. I am assuming this was supposed to be a publication record link as the corresponding publication record number is {{P|88429|Science Fiction, Fantasy and Weird Fiction Magazines}}. Since you have verified that publication, would you mind checking if that is the correct source? If so, I will update the records to fix the link. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, Tymn & Ashley list Ronald R. Wickers as the editor while also noting that he is not credited in the magazine itself. Neither {{Tuck}} nor Miller/Contento list an editor. As an aside here, it may be worthwhile to create a [[Help:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields|template]] for Tymn and Ashley to be used in these instances. A few days ago, I thought about asking if one could be created for {{Series|36285|Chalker/Owings}}, but there are several editions of that, so it's hard to link to a specific publication. I've no idea how difficult the notes field templates are to create. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:29, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. The uncredited part matches the one issue whose scan I found on Internet Archive. I will update the records. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:56, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Naomi Kanakia ==<br />
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Am I to understand that she needs to publish 50 more titles before isfdb respects her name change? [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 17:39, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No disrespect is intended. We are a bibliographical database and thus we reflect what has been published. The canonical name of an author is not meant to imply that it is the author's preferred name nor their legal name. It is simply the name by which they are most commonly known in genre publications. In this case Naomi has had many more works published using the name Rahul than she has as Naomi. Please see [[Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this help template]] and [[ISFDB:FAQ#How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?|this FAQ]] for further information on how we determine canonical name. I hope this helps you to understand why her bibliography appears as it does. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:26, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Is there any way I can propose a change of policy? [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 20:56, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You absolutely can. Changes have been proposed before and I looked for the prior discussions while composing my original response but was unable to find them. The place to propose policy changes is [[Rules and standards discussions]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:02, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks! [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 21:06, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Summon, Bind, Banish ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?323471; I have a pending edit with Archive.org link, Mamatas story has commas, already on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=banish&type=All+Titles, fix/merge needed. I discovered this while adding links to stories from Apex Magazine's online days, which seem to have disappeared from the modern web and only exist as archived pages now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:41, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. I also removed the comment about the story's first appearance in ''Apex'' as its appearance in ''Bandersnatch'' predates the magazine publication. By the way, [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/fmi/j00/j00046.htm#A164 FictionMags] indexes the online version of ''Apex'' if you're interested. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:02, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've been using the index to add stories that were originally published somewhere else before Apex; once I got to the Mamatas story they apparently started breaking stories up into separate pages, the old click-bait scheme, and the story after Mamatas, by Jay Lake, doesn't have the second page archived, so I think I'm done with that. Added nearly 2 dozen, though. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MFFS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644683; There's a 6-page unsigned intro that's not mentioned here, in case you think it needs adding to contents/mentioning in notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:17, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:48, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruno E. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?947748; I own an edition of the American book but you just entered the original Brit edition; problem is, as was discussed here by some people not so long ago, the cover artist was credited differently sometimes. In this case, per back cover, it's Bruno Ellitori, which is a variation not yet on ISFDB and judging by text search there's no other book on Archive.org with that particular spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:30, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, I got that from one of the secondary sites. Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:17, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - The Thunder-Thieves (afterword) ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you have a look at {{P|29759|this title}}. Is that correct or should it be "Afterword (The Thunder-Thieves)" ? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:17, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev -<br />
:I'm going to stick with the current titling. Both the poem and the subsequent essay are under a single title page (on page 239), i.e. the essay does not have a separate title. It's much longer than the poem. Thus I think using the same title as for the poem with a disambiguator is closest to how it appears in the book. I'll add a note to the essay explaining that it is not separately titled. I'll assume that the paperback presents these in the same manner. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:35, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's helped me be clear as to its identity. The titling stood out a mile on Asimov's summary page amongst all the "Afterword (piece name)" formats.<br />
::and btw, in case it got lost in the mix, I've added to the "Robot Visions" thread, above. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:01, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolf Leader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648658; Changes OK? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:49, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They're fine. I've approved the edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:38, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Summer Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1918982; Made some edits for T. Due's collection, bunch of stuff was wrong, I didn't change the artist because you PV an art book that included the cover, real artists are Sten Schneider and Vesperity-Stock. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:53, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The cover in the WFC Souvenir Book does not have an artist credit. We don't use "uncredited" for artist credits when the acutual artist is known. I've updated both art records with the correct artists. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:51, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Avati ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650644; Barcode on back says 3999, not $39.95. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:29, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:29, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula: or the Adventure of the Sanguinary Count, by John H. Watson, M.D. ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287233 Your pub] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406844 this pub] look like duplicates. Any concerns about me merging the newer one into your entry? [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:25, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are different. Mine lacks the first edition statement mentioned in your edition and is presumably a later printing. It does have the 1978 date on the title page. The publication month is from an unknown source and was added to the record prior to my verification. In any case, they shouldn't be merged. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:04, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== GToFaI ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363044; This, https://archive.org/details/bwb_T2-FPH-238, says 3rd on copyright page, you say 2nd. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:48, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:52, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monter - Monster? ==<br />
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Hello Ron, is {{T|2092130|this title}} really Monter? Could you transliterate the hyphen while you're there please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:28, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:53, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Alderburn ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/external_id_search_results.cgi?ID_TYPE=12&OPERATOR=contains&ID_VALUE=GB; I just made an edit with Archive.org link to Bride and saw the GB WorldCat ID; those 2 linked above are the only ones with GB here, both entered by you, so should they be some other ID, not WorldCat? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, that should have been BNB. Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:16, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK, but does the other one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?941692, need fixing, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry, but it's rather confusing when you paste bare urls in the wiki. Perhaps individual links to each publication with either wiki markup (the link tool in the toolbar), or using the [[Template:P|publication template]] would make your posts easier to understand. I looked at this while at work, so I didn't have time to deal with it for more than a moment. My recollection is the link returned a single publication which I fixed. The other one is now fixed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think the problem might be your computer setup, something I vaguely remember us discussing a long time ago when you complained about something similar, because on my end clicking the link I provided showed both Bride and the other book just fine, and later after you fixed Bride but before you left your first response here the link showed just the other book. After you fixed the other book it now says "No matching records found". So all of that makes perfect sense to me. My writing "the 2 linked above" and "only ones" and "both" and "they" was probably a good indication that I was talking about more than 1 book. Jargon about "wiki markup" and templates is pointless because I'm no computer expert, just a regular person, so I have no idea what that stuff means. Perhaps part of the problem as to why you made these ID mistakes and all the countless others I've had to fix or asked you to fix is the same reason you didn't notice my clear message about 2 books, because you're doing this while you're preoccupied with work and not giving it your full attention. I'm not sure why you didn't just wait until you were done with work before you looked into this issue. There's no hurry, obviously, since I currently have nearly 1,300 pending edits awaiting approval. Gratitude, not attitude. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Since you are editing a wiki, I assume that you are comfortable with the the terms used in editing wikis. In fact you you use the signature tool in your posts. However, you balk at using the link tool which is in the same toolbar (or perhaps you are hand typing the signature markup, but refuse to hand type the link markup). The link to the publication template that I provided explains how to use it with examples. I'm not sure what the number of pending edits has to do with this discussion. In any case, I've given you suggestions on how to better communicate and make your posts easier to read. If you can't be bothered to make your posts more readable, misunderstandings will continue to happen. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:09, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'm tired of talking about this. I used advanced search to find books with WorldCat ID that included "GB", 2 results were found and my link above showed both books, and both were no longer there after you fixed their ID. Simple, and even if your computer didn't allow you to see that my several uses of plural terms in my message made it obvious there were 2 books with wrong ID, so your "recollection" of the link only showing 1 book makes no sense. So my point about the reason for all these mistakes and often further problems when I ask you to fix them being due to you doing other things at the same time and not giving ISFDB your full attention seems likely. Obviously work is more important, this stuff is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but my suggestion somewhere on this site recently to a mod that the webmasters, whoever they are, should look into "hiring" more mods seems logical, since many here now are either too busy with work/moving/hospital/doing background coding on the site instead of approving edits, or have seemingly lost interest/are angry at one or more people here, thus the enormous backlog of pending edits with mine being the majority because I usually do so many every day but also several hundred from other editors. Editors don't have to do things exactly the same way you do them; the problem isn't me adding a URL link because I've done that in hundreds of other messages and people seem to see them just fine, the problem was not entering those ID properly and then not reading my message properly about fixing the ID because you were rushed at work. You and the others here have certainly never had a problem since I started here a few years ago complaining about every little mistake I make so you shouldn't have a problem when I do the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:55, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Delaware ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649495; https://delaware.gov/artistroster/artistProfile.php?aid=365. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:48, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, it would have saved a lot of time if you had documented your source in the original edit. I can approve this edit if you agree to add the additional link, or if you'd prefer you can enter this edit again with both links. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't think it was necessary because when I typed "born Delaware Margiotta" on Google the first site that came up was the one above, so your "but I can't find anything stating it is her birth place" doesn't make sense; where do you search? I've been told, or someone else was told, I can't remember, that it's only required when the person's info is not publicly available and comes from a private or not-easily-found source; this couldn't be more easily found. So approve it, if I remember I'll add the link, if not you can add it or nobody can, who cares, I'm tired of these constant rejections and complaints for no legitimate reason except personal ones; my time is just as important as yours. P.S. I also left a message on CP about the Hitler cover you rejected because the cover artist is almost certainly wrong, not being mentioned in the book and by an artist who died long before Hitler was known by anyone, so hopefully someone will find out which cover the artist really did and that rejection can be un-rejected, too. Just because SFE says it's by him means nothing; they, like all other online sites including this one, are unreliable and from personal experience they've been wrong many times before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry, I'm not willing to rely on whether you remember to fix the record, so please re-enter the edit with both links. I stated in the rejection message that I couldn't find her birth place in the source you did add in the edit. You've been asked several times to site your sources. There isn't an exception if the source can be found in Google. I'll also point out that moderators can approve more edits if you don't require them to do extra work. You've stated that edits aren't approved as quickly as you like. Well, properly sourcing your edits would be one way you could speed up their approval. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Locus Award category names ==<br />
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Hi, I'm pinging you as the most prolific - by an order of magnitude ;-) - creator of award records. I've just added the last of this year's Locus top 10 nominees, and I noticed a couple of things that I was a bit puzzled by.<br />
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I'm using [https://locusmag.com/2023/04/2023-locus-awards-top-ten-finalists-2/ this page on their site] as reference. Amongst the category subheadings, it has "PUBLISHER" and "ILLUSTRATED AND ART BOOK", so I've added those respectively as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?367+1 Best Publisher] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?332+1 Best Art or Illustrated Book]. The latter isn't an exact match for what's on that locusmag.com page, but seemed closer than [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?331+0 Best Art Book]. Most recent publisher entries have been recorded under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?370+0 Best Publisher/Imprint], rather than "(Best) Publisher" which is what I've used for this year's entries.<br />
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Do you have any recollection about what the correct names for these are, or what the definitive reference might be? I've not looked at previous year's pages on locusmag.com - and I haven't seen a copy of the mag since before the pandemic - but I see that the SFADB entries for [http://www.sfadb.com/Locus_Awards_2022 2022] and [http://www.sfadb.com/Locus_Awards_2021 2021] have different names for this pair of categories for those 2 years, which doesn't match what what we have. <br />
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Thanks for any thoughts you might have. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:21, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Hi ErsatzCulture -<br />
::I don't know that we have any documented standards for naming award categories. The way I've approached it previously is that minor differences in category names should probably be ignored (e.g. "Science Fiction Novel" vs "Best SF Novel") My theory is that there is usefulness in looking at a category as a whole and seeing all the years for that category together. That being said, when a category name changes enough to denote something new is included (for locus see the non-fiction, related, art categories). I've also let previous categories remain as they are unless I have a good reason to believe they should be changed. As to what the authoritative source for the category names for Locus, I would refer to the magazine where they are presented. I skimmed through this years issues and I don't see the ballot for 2023. I did find last July's issue with the winners announcement and the categories are nearly identical to what we have for 2022. The differences being "Best Non-Fiction Book" (mag, winners) vs "Best Non-Fiction" (mag, full results) vs "Best Non-Fiction" (us); "Best Book Publisher" (mag, winners) vs "Best Publisher/Imprint" (mag, full results) vs "Best Publisher/Imprint" (us). The 2022 ballot (top ten) is [https://locusmag.com/2022/05/2022-locus-awards-top-ten-finalists/ here]. Maybe my memory about standardizing categories is faulty as last years seem to match the categories as listed in the full results exactly.<br />
::Clearly, Locus can alter the names between ballot, winner announcement and full results. I would probably stick with what we used last year to start with and make adjustments when the full results are published, if they seem necessary. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for response. I'll leave these two 2023 categories as-is for now, and if they get changed when the final results are announced, I guess they can/should be changed then.<br />
::: One minor positive side-effect of this is that I've dusted off some incomplete code I wrote ages ago to report on when award categories were run, and fixed it. This has highlighted that there are gaps in our data:<br />
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$ ./award_categories.py -W "Locus Poll Award" -c "publisher"<br />
= Locus Poll Award =<br />
* Best Book Publisher [1972-1974, 1980-1990, 1993-1999]<br />
* Best Book Publisher/Imprint [2000-2003]<br />
* Best Publisher [1977-1978, 1991-1992, 2023]<br />
* Best Publisher - hardcover [1975-1976]<br />
* Best Publisher - Paperback (old) [1975-1976]<br />
* Best Publisher/Imprint [2004, 2009-2022]<br />
# There are no awards on record for the years 1979, 2005-2008<br />
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SFADB doesn't have anything for 1979, but does have data for 2005-2008. If no-one else beats me to it, I'll add those 4 years at some point, but I've had my fill of Locus right now, so it won't be for a week or two at least... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:46, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== August Derleth ==<br />
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We seem to have duplicate entries for {{T|1009500|August Derleth}}. The version with less information (no contents, no cover, etc.) has your secondary verification for Reginald3. It looks like that should be moved over to the more complete record and the less complete one deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:01, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2021 Locus Poll Award ==<br />
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A quick question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?69581 this Locus Poll award] which you added in 2021. The Note field currently reads "For Inclusivity, Representation, and Education". However, the [https://locusmag.com/2021/06/2021-locus-awards-winners/ announcement reads] "Amplifying diverse voices". Would you happen to remember where "For Inclusivity, Representation, and Education" comes from? TIA!<br />
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Also, as an FYI, I have changed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78672 2020 award] based on Dave Langford's update -- see the Note field for details. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:23, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I got that language from the [https://file770.com/2021-locus-awards/ File 770] announcement, which is where I usually learn about award news. I've no objection to changing the note. I can check later in the magazine if you'd like. With the research done for [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]]'s question above, we've determined that the locus.com and magazine publications can be slightly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:32, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the clarification! Both announcements look plausible, so I have updated the Notes field of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?69581 our award record] to reflect what they say and added links. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:39, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - Robot Visions ==<br />
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Hello Ron, just letting you know I've completed all the edits affecting {{T|517297|the main title}} and which arose from our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Robot_Visions earlier conversation] above. If you have time have a look. Please let me know if you find anything amiss. I'll drop a note on Fjh's page to let him know too. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:10, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi Kev <br />
:There is one issue that I have with the changes now that they're done. That is the title of {{T|3175000|The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)}}. As I explained in my post at 18:49, 16 April 2023 (EDT) in the above thread, I feel fairly strongly that the title of this should be "Robot Visions (frontispiece)". As I argued above, the frontispiece is for the collection as a whole, not just for the story "The Bicentennial Man". There's a lot in that topic, so perhaps you missed that point. Other than that, things look good. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:10, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Good, I'm glad you found that, it will look much better. I've submitted the change :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::And...fixed. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:57, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Looks good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:59, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Teresa T. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401191; Tunaly is credited as Tunaley elsewhere on ISFDB; mistake or variant? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It was a typo and I've fixed it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:36, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stapledon - Odd John ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you are joint PV for the {{P|373991|1st printing}}. I'm editing a 3rd printing of this edition and yours is the only one extant to clone from. I notice a couple of things that don't seem quite right and propose the following for your copy (which will also apply to mine):<br />
* Pages change x+208+[2] to x+208. There isn't any "...additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record" (from the help).<br />
*:I agree completely. I think these bracketed numbers are frequently misused. If Pete agrees, please go ahead with this change.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT) <br />
* Title record {{T|1403847|1403847}}. Change date 2011-03-00 to 2012-03-00. This looks like a simple typo - I can find no reference to a 2011 Roberts Introduction.<br />
*:Sure. I'm not sure how that was introduced as new content takes the date of the container unless specifically specified. Perhaps the publication record was dated incorrectly and subsequently changed.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
* Apart from that I have an image to replace the Amazon one and can add the publisher (Gollancz / Orion).<br />
*:I'm fine with the publisher change. The Amazon image matches my copy and is one of the stable URLs. I've no issues with changing it as long as it still matches.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
What do you think? If you agree, I can make the changes while I'm processing my 3rd printing. I've posted the same to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Stapledon_-_Odd_John Pete's page]. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:01, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Responses inline above. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Ron, I'll wait for Pete's reply. On the covers, to reassure you, I'm always very careful with replacements, checking for text alignment and looking for all the things that I know publishers (Gollancz in particular) like to fiddle with, sometimes to only small degrees :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Pete has agreed to the changes so I'll submit them before I clone for my printing. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:31, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Now I'm submitting the changes, I see the [https://www.orionbooks.co.uk/titles/olaf-stapledon/odd-john/9780575072244/?v2=true Orion website] gives 2012-03-08 as the published date. Are you happy with me amending that? Sorry I didn't spot it earlier. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:40, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::That's fine. You can proceed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:37, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Haldeman - The Forever War ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you're PV2 {{P|500093|here}}. On the title record page for the {{T|847613|Author's Note}} I can't find the origin of the 1997-08-00 date. Could you sleuth it please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:41, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I can't with complete certainty. However, my edition does list 1997 as one of the copyright dates. Further, the August 1987 {{P|40063|Avon edition}} has the following note in its Locus1 listing: "According to the author’s note, this is the “definitive” version." Further still, Locus1's note for the 1997 {{P|40062|SFBC edition}} states "This has a 1997 copyright, but lacks the author’s note of the “definitive” version published last month by AvoNova...". Given those statements, I think we could safely import the note into the 1997 Avon edition. I'm certain that the record was added prior to my verification. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::There's lots of editions available and while trying to add a link to original '74 St. Martin's which ironically is the most recently uploaded, https://archive.org/search?query=1974+forever-war+joe-haldeman, it turned out it's a book club (?) edition which is missing the "first printing" on copyright page, so it seems it's an edition not on ISFDB. I just added an eBay link with a note, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671796. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:21, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ron, I'll import the Author's Note into the August 1987 {{P|40063|Avon edition}} and add a note referencing the Locus1 entry and your {{P|500093|11th printing}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:34, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Destiny Times Three (Part 1 of 2) ==<br />
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For "Destiny Times Three (Part 1 of 2)" in {{P|57566|Astounding Science Fiction, March 1945}}, it looks like the credit should be Fritz Leiber, Jr. (instead of Fritz Leiber) per the Internet Archive scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:08, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. Fixed. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Best Tales of Hoffmann ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=best-tales-of-hoffmann&sort=-addeddate; Edition with $2.00 on cover just uploaded, $6.95 in your PV high for 1967, you may want to adjust price/add other editions using this info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:02, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Actually, mine is priced at $3.00 which is very difficult to see. I've cloned the record we have for my edition and another for the $6.95 edition. I've removed the price and the ISBN from the 1967 edition. It's unlikely that it had an ISBN then. The archive scan with the yellow cover is a good candidate for the first printing, but we can't say for sure. Unfortunately, Dover didn't go in much for providing printing history or marking first editions. It looks like they may have gotten better at some point. Tuck is the only verified secondary source which has a price ($2.50) which disagrees with the $2.00 price of the scanned copy. Whether Tuck is in error, or the price was reduced at some point requires additional research. Thanks for pointing this out. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:40, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The 1968 Budrys review was easy to find and has the $2.00 price. I think that's enough evidence that the scanned copy is the first edition. I'll update accordingly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tragedy of Macbeth ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Macbeth]]. We currently have a 1988 Shakespeare review linked to a 1997 retelling by Coville. You have verified one of the pubs containing this review so would you mind checking if this should linked to the original Shakespeare story instead? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Strugatsky - The Snail on the Slope ==<br />
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Hello Ron, with regard to our PVd {{P|730349|1st printing}}, I propose changing the coverart credit to Getty Images. It's my understanding that, as a rule, we don't credit designers. Someone authored this image and made it available through Getty and the copyright is with Getty. To credit Getty with authorship is not to say they created the image, if that makes sense. If you think my reasoning is sound, then the {{T|2645121|title record}} will need amending. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:36, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, it clearly shouldn't be Almeida. Personally, I don't ordinarily like crediting Getty who, as you say, is the copyright holder and not the cover artist. I'm uncomfortable with it for that reason, though I know others have added credits that way. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:21, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I find it easier to think of the photo-stock library as the intermedial link between our credit and the artist responsible. I also used to feel ambivalent about adding a library as credit until I went looking on Shutterstock's site for the artist who created the works that Gollancz used for their Golden Age Masterworks series. Using their image search function I found {{P|700041|Tithi Luadthong}} and all the rest of her works for the series. My reasoning now is that, <i>where the art merits it</i>, we ought to point the way to finding the actual identity - if someone has the time or inclination. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:09, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think it would be fine to include this in the notes, but I don't think it should be added as the cover artist. I did a bit of searching to see if this had been discussed, and there are discussions including [[Rules and standards discussions/Archive/Archive14#Entering authors as credited--complex attributions|this discussion]] on the R&S board from 2016. There is also [[User talk:BanjoKev#Getty Images and similar|this one]] from your own talk page. The consensus seems to be that these sorts of credits should not be used in the cover artist field. However, as I said, they are fine in the notes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:51, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Ha. I'd completely forgotten about that thread on my own page. Doh. Muchas for finding that, and the one on the Rules & Standards page is very good. Is deleting the Almeida at title level the best way to do this? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'll go ahead and take care of it. You can either remove the title from the publication or blank out the name in the publication record. Either way will result in an orphan title record (for the COVERART) which will have to be deleted. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:36, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks! While you're on Almeida, there's another which may be suspect, your PV {{P|671399|1st printing here}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:28, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::That credit states "Illustration by Tomás Almeida", so I think we're good. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:04, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosmos ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33498; I just added an Archive.org link in an edit to this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?147141, and copyright page says published by Dorchester so should publisher be re-named to what it is in the first link I provided here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:41, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I wouldn't say so. It's only on Cosmos on the title page which is an imprint of Wildside. You need to check with the other primary verifiers who are all active. If they wish to change it, I won't object, but I don't think it's necessary. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:19, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Visitants ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5677110; Intro is "of Sorts". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:00, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Held Submissions ==<br />
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Ron, we're both holding submissions pending a resolution [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Atheneum_publisher. here]. The discussion appears abandoned. Based on the title page, I disagree with the submissions I'm holding. What what are your thoughts? We should apply whatever is decided to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?76275 these] as well. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:51, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I just re-read the thread, and my sense is that the consensus was that Argo would be listed as a publication series rather than listed as an additional imprint of the publisher. Some of the ones I'm holding are for changing "Aladdin / Atheneum" to " Aladdin / Margaret K. McElderry / Atheneum" which doesn't seem as clear cut. I'll drop another note on that thread and see if we can kick-start the discussion to reach a final consensus. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:06, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FantLab Artist Image ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678984; I don't know what happened with this, whether it was my error or some change they made between my edit and approval, but I made another edit with the correct image. Is there a way to check ISFDB for any other "missing" FantLab images which show that cartoon image? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:35, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Advanced search allows you search authors by author image (i.e. the URL). That would find any where the URL is identical. There are other operators (starts with or ends with) that may be useful if you can determine if there is a pattern in the URLs for the cartoon images. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:45, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brunner - The Shockwave Rider ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I just checked [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671070 this submission] but I can't find that I did in fact tell you of the changes. I'm sorry for that oversight. I'm expanding the notes and, of course, preserving your original data. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:56, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No worries. Since I was the approving moderator, I gave it a look before I approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:52, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Phew! Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:47, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jimgrim Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679967; I saw the name and added it. SFE only credits Ricca for this cover but they did mainstream covers, too. Maybe a first name for the artist will turn up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:03, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Note Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648635; Is my note fix correct? If so, this can be un-rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:16, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm good with that change. However, there are two other primary verifiers who are active and I don't see that you've asked them as well. All primary verifiers need to be consulted before changing data on their publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If you're referring to MartyD and Chavey, 1 is a transient PV so they wouldn't have a copy to check and the other hasn't responded to anyone on their page for a year. So you can decide what to do with this. I'm just trying to get the several rejections of my edits today un-rejected (although 2 were rejected and then my info was entered by a mod in their own edits without letting me know about it once they realized they had rejected mine incorrectly). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:30, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::A transient verification doesn't excuse you from the requirement to ask before submitting the edit. Some years ago, transient verifications were the only way to add an additional verifier after all of the limited slots (there were 5 as I recall) were taken. [[User:Chavey|Darrah]] is still active and has made edits as recently as May 21 in the main database and on April 7 in the Wiki. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:41, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::So I should ask a transient PV to check a copy they don't have anymore so they can say, "I don't have a copy and can't check"? And Chavey, or Darrah as you call them, may still make edits but doesn't respond to messages on their page, which I know because I see 37 messages from me and the last one they answered was in May of 2022 and even that was answered nearly 2 months after I asked. So I don't see the point in asking about a note that someone, probably not Marty or Chavey judging by edit history, made a minor mistake in by entering the wrong year. Forget it. Nobody else ever noticed or fixed it in the years it's been there so obviously it's not really important. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:55, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Animal Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?168962; This book is already on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:23, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:18, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== NtSNtS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5682165; There's a foreword dated 1978, apparently original to this edition, that could be added and other prices on back cover are blacked out so those could be added, too, assuming your copy has the foreword and visible prices. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:33, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:38, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit History Glitch? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23; Chavey's 2014 edit is indented; is that a problem that should be fixed or does it not matter? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:19, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:While I am a programmer, I don't work in Python and thus I don't work on our software. You might try asking [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:22, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Actually, I can tell why it's happening. The edit question added HTML to the title of the record, which is being interpreted when the affected title is displayed in the edit history. Specifically, the title was updated to make it into an unordered list of one item, which the browser interprets with an indent and a bullet. If you look at the raw XML for that edit, it becomes clear. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:27, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kirsch, et al - Aldous Huxley, 1894-1963 ==<br />
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Hello Ron, re this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?928819 edit history], I'm submitting a correction to the date (1894-1980 -> 1894-1963) per the Reginald3 entry. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:38, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As you are the only one in the edit history, and you have Reginald3, I'm hoping you'll be able to tell what happened with the titling. Could you moderate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5683050 this submission] accordingly? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:59, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It was just a typo. Edit approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:40, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The City and the Stars ==<br />
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Ron, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5672924 this submission] affects one of your verified publications. Another mod approved the original change to the 1973 edition. I approved the subsequent submissions for the pubs with inactive pv. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:24, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Approved and merged. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:59, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RuneQuest ==<br />
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Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?954633 this one] definitely eligible for inclusion? AFAIK RuneQuest - at least as of the late 70s - is/was just an RPG ruleset and setting, not a novel. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RuneQuest#History Wikipedia] thinks the 1979 one is a second edition, FWIW. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:53, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I added that because it is listed in {{Reginald3}}. I am familiar with the RPG and played it back in high school. I recall that I played the 2nd edition and that it included Greg Stafford as an author. I am also aware that there is other fiction based on the campaign setting (e.g. {{T|186148|this}}). Reginald describes it as "fiction" and lists the authors as Perrin and Turney only with a 1979 date. Perhaps the Perrin/Turney edition includes enough fictional content to qualify. The only record I found in Worldcat for a Perrin/Turney edition is [https://www.worldcat.org/title/8673087 this 1980 printing] by a different publisher. I'd prefer to keep it in. I chose to enter it as a novel because of the length and Reginald's description as fiction. We don't really have a good type for fiction that isn't a traditional novel or story. I thought I had included a note about the Reginald description, but it doesn't seem to be there. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:17, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I was under the impression that RPGs were explicitly excluded, but on examining [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] there is no mention of them, whether pro or anti. I then trawled back through the Rules & Standards archives, and had to go back ~15 years before I found anything that mentions them in the item heading. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive05#What_is_an_RPG.3F That item] starts off ''"I know Role Playing Games are out but I don't know for sure what an RPG is"'', but (a) much of the discussion is about gamebooks, which are probably a different topic, and (b) doesn't really resolve anything. I don't see any earlier discussion of RPGs there.<br />
:: My concern is that if a new editor sees the RQ entry or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68177 the AD&D ones], they might submit some other RPG book, and wonder why that would likely get rejected by a moderator. I certainly experienced something similar personally when I had a film-related submission rejected in my early days here, but could point to comparable entries already in the DB that had been deemed acceptable. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:12, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Silverberg - Homefaring ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your {{P|227965|PV here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I make those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:21, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's fine. In the future, you only need add a note in the Notes to the Moderator. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:31, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Always do :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:01, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6346; I wrote Kraang as you suggested, he didn't reply (yet) but un-rejected my edit and made one of his own. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:15, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's not how I would have handled it. The publisher and price were specific and I have a hard time believing that an editor created that record intentionally adding false values. Like any negative, it's extremely difficult to prove that an Indiana University Press edition never existed. Absence of evidence not being definitive evidence of absence. I would have left the IUP edition in place and added the BFI as a separate publication record under the same title. Since we still have a note as to the prior record, it can be recreated if proof of the publication can be found. Aside from overwriting the IUP edition, what we couldn't have is a record for the first BFI printing with a price from the IUP printing and a scan from a later BFI printing. For all those reasons, I had to reject your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russ - The Female Man ==<br />
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Hello Ron, while I was entering two printings of this title I noticed that the Amazon image for your {{P|331690|PV here}} has the author's name compressed; different to {{P|952242|this printing}}. The link at the bottom of the notes there, "Compare here", shows the alternative cover (which matches yours). If your copy is not the same as the Amazon image I can upload the correct one for you. What do you think? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:53, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's a subtle difference and I think mine matched the Amazon cover. However, I went ahead and scanned my copy, so there's no question. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:28, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for doing that, it's Gollancz up to their tricks again (they just can't leave the covers alone), changing it between the 1st & 7th printing. I'll add the publisher before I leave :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:38, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Gods and Scarlet Dreams ==<br />
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Ron, I saw one your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?168921 verified publications] on an exception report. The variant was severed and type changed to omnibus on the first collection. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:45, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've put it back the way it was. Both the collections in the omnibus match previously published collections in contents, but the titles of the collections are new to this publication. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Courts of Chaos ==<br />
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Ron, you're PV3 {{P|129711|here}}. Can you say how a gutter code for August 1978 (print) and a Locus date of November result in the pub date of October? The August part is ok, it's the Oct/Nov that doen't make sense to me. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:43, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It looks like [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] added the publication month and you could reach out to him. However, I think you're confusing the month of the Locus issue, with the publication date reported in Locus, i.e. issue 216 is the {{P|266232|November 1978}} issue. The note doesn't specify what publication date is in that issue. [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] has also verified that issue, if you wish to have someone check. I hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:20, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Ron, and yes, for some reason, I misread November as the pub date rather than the Locus issue date. I've asked Willem to have a look for me. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:18, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I can see the confusion. There are a lot of notes like this, and indeed November is the month of the Locus issue. The publication date comes from the section "Books received - Oktober" in this issue. Hope that helps. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for looking that up Willem. If it's alright with you two (and I'll ask Biomassbob) I'll change the wording slightly, to make it clearer, and also add a link to the Doubleday gutter code page (it took me a while to find that initially). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:24, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Dark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918858; cover image is broken and I don't see any on Amazon; also, page count is wrong, 3 OL copies with 2 saying Berkley and 220 pages but 1 saying Lancer and 190 pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:16, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Into the Sun & Other Stories ==<br />
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I've uploaded the full wraparound art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18449 this], however, my copy's dustwrapper is a tad damaged so if you have a better one you may wish to replace it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:51, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:While my copy is in good condition, I really don't like posting full wraparound covers and don't do so for my verified publications. My feeling is that we post cover scans which are copyrighted under fair use. I'm not a lawyer, but I worry that going beyond the front cover even in a reduced resolution might be considered beyond fair use. In any case, I don't really want to scan the full cover and would actually prefer that we revert to the original scan of just the front cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:40, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Budrys - Rogue Moon ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you're joint PV with Pete {{P|344978|here}}. I've asked about this pub on [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Budrys_-_Rogue_Moon Pete's page]. Could you drop in and let me know what you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:16, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Morrice ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5695803; I updated the record in case you have anything further to add to it after approval. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:49, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Growing Up Weightless ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897; Should that be "introduction"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:47, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:55, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== M. Ness ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1884197; I think the 2 items by Marni Ness should be by Mari Ness or made a variant of it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 25 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It was a typo. I've merged the authors. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 25 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolf-Leader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?343846; I made 3 edits adding month via copyright page of archived '21 edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:48, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Camelot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33381; There is an OL-only non-preview copy which has a number line that starts with 3 and ends with 4. I think that's a 3rd printing, not on ISFDB and something I could clone, but what does your 2nd printing say for number line? Also, your publisher is the only one on ISFDB; this copy says Philomel Books on title page just like first printing someone entered here so does yours say Putnam on title page or should it be the same as the others? EDIT: Also, illustrator is referred to as Winslow Pels several times but back flap says jacket is by Winslow Pinney Pels. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:14, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The lowest number in the number line of my copy is "2". Alternating numbers in a number line (odd numbers on the left, evens on the right) is common. When a subsequent printings were done the prior printing number was scraped off of the plates. My theory is that by arranging the numbers this way, it keeps the number line centered. Of course, with printing done electronically now, the need for such an arrangement is no longer necessary. Putnam is mentioned only on the verso of the title page. The first printing originally had the publisher listed as "Putnam/Philomel" when I cloned that record for the second printing. The publisher was subsequently changed for that record. Since the Philomel publisher record has the history of the imprint, I have merged the two publisher records. The title page has the artist credit as "Winslow Pels" which I would user over the flap copy, especially since the text on the flap is a statement of copyright rather than a specific credit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:21, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hugos ==<br />
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I see you've started on adding them; I don't know if you saw, but I started working on the contents of the leaked ballot a few days ago. I didn't get that far through, but there are some relevant links here: [[User:ErsatzCulture/Hugo2023]], although there are a few more records in the DB that hadn't yet got added to that page. Regards<br />
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At first glance, I only see one difference from the leak, Upstart (which people were querying the category for) isn't in the final list. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I had entered the novels from the early list before I realized it was withdrawn. I decided not to delete that work unless the final list came out and disagreed (for novels it did not). I've entered the short fiction categories with the exception of those works that appear to only have been published in Chinese. It's going to take some work to track those down. I'll work on these more later today unless you've gotten to all of them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I think I got all the short fiction that was on the leaked list, but I think there might be one on the official list that wasn't on the leak. Didn't get as far as related work, other than making a couple of notes about some of the people nominated for fan awards etc. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:10, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I've now done the awards for the 3 stories that I'd added to the database. I'll dig out and add details for the final missing story (White Cliff). I'm not planning on touching any of the others so that I don't duplicate any work that you're doing. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:34, 6 July 2023 (EDT) EDIT: final shortfiction is done. (The mag publication for it is really horrible and in need of a cleanup when I get chance to look into who the editor, publisher, etc is) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:46, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
(dedent)<br />
: So I lied - I've now added all the Chinese finalists. Some of the peripheral stuff (e.g. publication records for the magazine a story first appeared in) needs tidying up, but I think the relevant title records are all OK, and the relevant author records.<br />
: There's a weirdness with 2 different finalists seemingly having the same Chinese characters for their name, but for the time being I've gotten around that with a (I) disambiguation. Will try to find a better solution if possible.<br />
: I'm now completely fed up with the Hugos, so I'll leave the remaining entries to you. I did do all of the pro-artist nominees, as that category should be all clear. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:42, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for all that. It looks good. I tried for a bit to find the details of 时空画师 this morning, but was unable to get very far with the amount of time I could devote. I was somewhat flummoxed by the notation that it had been published in ''Galaxy's Edge'' not realizing that there is a separate Chinese publication with that title. I'll start working on the remaining items. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:25, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998 ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386118 this] magazine/anthology, can you show me where it's verified on Locus1?<br />
Thanks. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:33, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. The current link is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t903.htm#A43742 here]. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:03, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I just noticed your other post regarding this. Locus1 does cover magazines in addition to books. See their [http://www.locusmag.com/index/0start.htm#TOC table of contents]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:10, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! It's too bad they don't have a cover scan, since Galactic Central's is deleted, but that's the way it goes. I found another one on AbeBooks. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 19:16, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sixty Selected Poems ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?833943 this pv pub] there is an External ID "Reginald-3: 84-62734" but the Secondary Verifications show "Reginald3 N/A". What do You think about? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:52, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Nope. Clearly that was supposed to be LCCN. Thanks for pointing it out. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:05, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards where the title has multiple authors, but some have declined ==<br />
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Just bringing this to your attention, if you have any thoughts: [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Awards_where_the_title_has_multiple_authors.2C_but_some_have_declined]]. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:40, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SitD ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5703635; They may say what it is but, as so often, they were wrong; the link I provided shows that it is a story and it even says story in the URL of that link. I think this should be un-rejected. On the plus side, while looking into this just now I found Yates' page at encyclopedia.com which reveals that a work with the same title was a radio play in 1970, was collected in a book of his plays in 1971, and was a TV play in 1975, so I'll add that link to his page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Why do you suggest that Locus1 is often wrong? I find mistakes in their date to be rare. I Certainly trust them more than how a webzine structures their URLs and links. There are many different types of poems including prose poems and free verse and I don't claim to be expert at identifying the forms. I would rely on how Locus classified it as well as the fact that the verifiers saw no need to change the title type. Of course, you can put this on the community portal and see if any poetry experts disagree with Locus. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:50, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blue Lady #7 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=who%27s+that%3F&type=All+Titles; Hard to say what name was really used in either magazine his story appeared in because Ultimate Unknown and Blue Lady are very obscure and Locusmag/Philsp had/have a tendency to just lump together alternate names under a single name, but just mentioning that his name was supposedly different in the first zine and also appeared in 2 parts in 2 separate issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:01, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?519989; I discovered J.K. Potter did the cover for Faeries in this series and while looking for anything else I could do I noticed the later printing of Witches has Craft as artist but the first printing doesn't. You PV both so should you import it? It already has the right date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've only got a transient verification on the first printing, so no longer have a copy of that printing. I'd reach out to [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] who is also active. As the later printing has an unusual credit, we would want to make sure that she is similarly credited in the first printing. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:28, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Involution Ocean ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18533; I imported map from 1980 NEL into this and also into 1977 Canadian, same date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:20, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eye Hath Not Seen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5717534; I made an edit, so can you approve it in case you do something else later and it conflicts? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:17, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reginald3 ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as you also have Reginald, could you check a couple of things for me please?<br />
I'm looking at these two pubs; {{P|175751|Coils - Wallaby - tp}} and {{P|172481|Coils - Doubleday - hc}}. To me it looks as though the Reg3 verification has been attributed to the wrong pub. Reg3 states "Doubleday & Co., 1982, 183 p, cloth" (i.e. hc). What do you think?<br />
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While you've got Reg3 out, could you also have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#SV_removal this topic]. I think Reg3 references the US pub, not the Canadian (simultaneous?) one. I've noticed that where this situation arises elsewhere, the non-referenced one (i.e. the Canadian one) gets marked "N/A" and the Reg3-referenced US one is verified. What do you make of that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:51, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done and done. Reginald lists the publisher of ''Coils'' as simply "Doubldeay & Co." which is distinct from Nelson Doubleday which is generally for book club editions. However, I can find no evidence for a Doubleday trade edition either in Worldcat, nor in {{P|197321|Amber Dreams: A Roger Zelazny Bibliography}}, so I have to assume that Reginald got the publisher slightly off. I did see your note earlier on the moderator board, but I had hoped someone else would have acted on that. Since the remove verification function was added, I appear to be the only moderator who has made use of it. Many years ago, before we had this function, I was inaccurately accused of deleting another editor's verifications, so I try to be careful with using it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:47, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's great Ron, thank you for taking the time to fix these :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:20, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Coven of Vampires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19403; I just added Archive.org link to 2007 HC and noticed the foreword is dated 1997-02-00, not 1998 like the Fedogan first editions, so it's likely a case of someone entering signed date instead of book date; date should be changed to 1998 but I'd like to know first from your PV expensive edition (cheap edition was transient) whether it's signed with the 1997 date. Also, foreword in 2007 HC is dated December 2006 so I don't know if it was updated; if it was, it should be split and given a title like Foreword to the 2006 Edition or something, I think. Lumley's bibliography, https://www.brianlumley.com/books/bibliography.html, mentions a chapbook with TP and "Clean Slate", an uncollected story. Does your copy include anything like that? They only say Subterranean but they may be wrong. Also, title page, which hasn't been updated in 15 years, mentions missing text in 1 story from the Hodder edition; there is none listed so was Hodder the parent of NEL? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The date was indeed from the signature on the essay, and I've corrected it. The signed edition only differs in the slipcase and the limitation page. I also believe the endpapers are different. I don't have any information on subsequent editions, but the foreword in the 2006 edition is the same as that in the F&B editions and did not have a 2006 date. I do have {{P|640485|Subterranean Press: Bibliography 1995 - 2015}} which mentions a chapbook issued with {{P|198273|the Subterranean edition}}. However, it gives the title of the chapbook as "A Coven of Vampires". It does not give contents. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:38, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Title-based awards ==<br />
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I have posted a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Awards_where_the_title_has_multiple_authors.2C_but_some_have_declined reply on the Community Portal]. Sorry about the delay -- it's a complicated area and I needed to address other issues before I could do the topic justice. Sometimes there are just too many balls in the air :-\ [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:10, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Absolutely no worries at all. The issues are certainly complicated. I've even thought of an additional wrinkle since my post. I'll respond in the main thread. Thanks, and also thanks for all the other balls you keep in the air!. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:42, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Simak - City ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as you're PV for {{P|350375|this pub}}, I can't find a 2010-06-00 instance of Gwyneth Jones' {{T|1297168|Introduction (City)}}. The pub itself is dated 2011-06-00, so this looks like a typo. What do you think?<br />
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While I'm here, and about the paper (not the ebook) editions of the Masterworks (II) series, you've verified many entries in this series which currently only state Gollancz as the imprint, missing that Orion is the publisher. Would you agree to me amending these to Gollancz / Orion? If you are agreeable, would you want to be notified of every instance of this specific type of edit, given that I always detail the change in the Moderator note? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:18, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev -<br />
:I'm not sure what to do about Jones' introduction. The Masterworks edition is definitely 2011. The 2010 date for the introduction is not from a signature or a typo. Instead, it is given a copyright date of 2010 (no month) on the the copyright page. I wonder if perhaps the introduction was published elsewhere in 2010 and re-used for this book. If that is the case, then we should date the introduction with the 2011-06-00 date as the title would have changed. I'd be OK with changing the date and adding a note on the title record that the copyright date is 2010 and the essay may have been published earlier. Please feel free to refine the publisher by adding the parent Orion imprint. Just be careful as some of the earlier volumes were published by Millennium as an imprint of Gollancz. Those may all be in the earlier numbered series. You can add a moderator note that I've agreed that this sort of change is OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:05, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think you mean Millennium as as imprint of Orion, but never mind and yes, I'm aware of the Millenium/Gollancz subleties in the first series. Thanks for the heads-up though.<br />
::If I'm inferring correctly, it's your copyright page that carries the copyright date of "2010" for the introduction so I think I'll put a brief note to that effect in your pub. I'll change the date at title level to 2011-06-00 and add a note there as well, to the same effect. That way we have all the angles covered.<br />
::Thanks for your agreement about adding the publisher in this second series, it'll save us a lot of reading :) and I'll reference this thread in the mod notes. Thanks again! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:16, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Drawing of the Three TP ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5723266; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1711477; Afterword on last page should be imported into this TP, I think. I added Archive.org link to first printing, January '90, of Signet PB, changed count from 463 to 464 with a note about last page being unnumbered, and imported afterword giving it a number of [464]; PV of that edition is gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:58, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:36, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 100 Years of OZ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331462; Copy on Archive.org, 2nd printing so I just added LCCN to 1st, but I noticed LoC says 159 pages, not 160, and back flap says Shaner was designer, not artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've removed the COVERART and added a note about the last page. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:36, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lafferty - The Best of R. A. Lafferty ==<br />
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Hello Ron, looking at {{P|698044|this pub}}, I see Gaiman's introduction on page ix, which doesn't fit with 446 pages. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:51, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I submitted the following edit on this edition: Submitting four web page reviews, correcting pages (adding prefatory page in lower-case roman numeral), & adding Gollancz to pub note. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 06:28, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for sorting that out Mike. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:55, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I corrected the pagecount from ix to xiv and restored the line breaks in the notefield. Good find! Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:08, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== McAuley - The Secret of Life ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I've submitted an edit for {{P|916090|this pub}}, expanding notes and replacing cover. Do you think there's a case for making Paul McAuley the canonical name? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:04, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for letting me know about the changes. Changing Paul Mcauley to the canonical author would be a major undertaking. I believe that I've considered it before, but in looking over his bibliography, there are a large number of essays and reviews that are credited to "Paul J. McAuley". There are more than I would want to count, but my sense is that the longer name may be the most frequently used. If you want to press for a change, I'd suggest proposing it on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and see what others think. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your thoughts on that. I think I'd like to do an actual count to see if there really is a case to be made for change and to put it up to the community. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Now that the edit is up, do you think the novel page should be 5, not 3? I thought we use the page where the body of the works starts, rather than the titling page... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:42, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I've always considered a section title to be part of the novel. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:50, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Ok, fair enough :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:00, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Face ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737168; Old cover was the wrong one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doomsman / Telepower ==<br />
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I wonder if [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10660 this pv pub] is really an omnibus. Probably none of the titles appeared before as a single publication. The title length seem to be shortfiction. So I guess it could be an anthology? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 15:12, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It almost certainly was before my verification. I suspect that it was treated the same as Ace Doublez (see [[Template:TitleFields:TitleType|this help template]] under NOVEL) and which are commonly entered as OMNIBUS despite the length of their contents. Personally, I've no objection is you want to convert this to an anthology, but there are other active verifiers that you would want to contact before proceeding. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Far Future Calling ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5741322; Do you think adding subtitle from title page would be good since it's unique and doesn't appear on the cover? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:15, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, but I think one of the words is spelled wrong. Also, so as not to have to open another thread I'll mention here that I noticed you just upped a Fantasy Forest cover; one of your previous entries in that series had a cover by Macari, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=macari&type=Name, who started off with Jr. in his name and then used his middle initial and finally just went by Mario, which is the name his website is linked under. In case you want to decide who's the parent and link the other names. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:02, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::All fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:43, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moore / Scarlet Dream ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29005 Scarlet Dream] and will add pub month (Sept) to all associated records, state source (Locus #249) and add pub note: The story "Dust of Gods" is titled "Dust of the Gods" on copyright page and Table of Contents. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. You can add a note about the difference in title in the contents and copyright. Of course, the title should remain as it appears on the story's title page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:17, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Illustrated Frankenstein ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737334; What happened is I entered the new edition on August 9, you entered it on August 10, so when I made my edit it was a clone because yours didn't exist yet but since you're a mod you instantly approved yours while mine wasn't approved until nearly a week later. So I'll have to make another edit adding correctly spelled publisher, cover image, price, Archive.org link, and 3 more WorldCat links. I'll do that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Vinge - A Fire Upon the Deep ==<br />
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Hello Ron, {{T|1250274|Mitchell's map}} is mentioned in the notes {{P|548988|here}}, if you want to add it.<br />
Description of the map in my 4th printing: The map is divided into three; upper is titled "The Milky Way Galaxy (edge-on view)", lower is titled "The Milky Way Galaxy (disk plane)". The third is an inset, halfway down the page, and one of the labels is "Projection of OOB II proposed flightpath". Map is not credited and is unsigned.<br />
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This is the same map as in my copy of "Zones of Thought" where it is credited and signed. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:27, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. I've copied your text and added the map. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:38, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wilson Tucker / The Lincoln Hunters ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43095 The Lincoln Hunters] and will add the Author's Note and pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:11, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Made in Goatswood: New Tales of Horror in the Severn Valley ==<br />
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● I recently read [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21046 Made in Goatswood: New Tales of Horror in the Severn Valley] and I have added the illustrations and I have put them in their proper order. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:28, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, November 2014 (cover) ==<br />
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Can you please check the date on {{T|2321509|this title}} from your verified {{P|649810|The Weird Fiction Review, Fall 2017}}? The date is given as 1914-11-00, yet the title has "November 2014". Should the date be 2014-11-00? If not, then the author needs to be disambiguated as the {{A|Garry Brown}} record is for an artist born in 1981. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:12, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. I used to enter dates for reprints with the date of the original appearance. Although, here there was clearly a typo. My logic was that the differences in name (the disambiguation of "(cover)") and title type are purely artificial. However, when it was discussed, I could not convince the other editors. As a consequence, there are many years worth of edits where the dates I entered reflect the original appearance. So, in this case, I changed it to the date of its reprint in the magazine. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:22, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantastic, February 1969 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5738987 this submission] that impacts your verified pub. Looking at an Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/Fantastic_v18n03_1969-02/page/n143/mode/2up scan], the submitter's Note to Moderator is correct. However, those two reviews should be credited to just Skinner in my opinion. If you are agreeable, I will reject this submission, but edit the pub to change the credit on the last two reviews to Skinner, add a pub note explaining the situation, and add a link to the Internet Archive scan. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:32, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree with your assessment that those two reviews should be credited to Skinner alone. Thanks.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:46, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Changes made as discussed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:41, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 12:26, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yoh-Vombis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747431; Vornoff, who entered this, hasn't been around for 3 years so no use asking them. You've entered a lot of these old pulps so I figured you could flesh this out after my edit's approved. Seems odd that Don Herron would be involved and yet the publisher is Heron but it's there on the title page (I discovered the correct name because Margo Skinner has a 1990 poetry collection on FantLab which also has Heron). It's also odd he's credited for art because he only has 1 other credit here. Biblio.com seller says it's unknown binding but gives the dimensions as huge, so if it is paper it would probably be TP, and as you can see the price was crossed out and a new one written in but neither matches what's here. Also, page count varies online but is usually much less than what's here. So lots of discrepancies. A real copy would be useful but I'm guessing this is pretty rare. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:50, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No help I'm afraid. I checked Chalker/Owings for both Dawn Herron and Dawn Heron, but it's not listed there. I've no special knowledge about the author. Good luck. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Return of the Sorcerer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747664; Last few pages are unnumbered publication history so I adjusted the count. Also, the ID you added has 2 other records under "see all formats and editions" that have the wrong date. Should those be added, too? Do they count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:54, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Both of the Worldcat records refer to different ISBNs. It seems unlikely that Prime would have have published a collection with a different contents and using the same title. Wildside certainly may have done so. Regardless, the copyright dates for the cover, introduction and for the collection itself are all 2009 so it seems unlikely that the Wildside book is the same collection. I don't know what to make of the second Prime record. I suppose the 2008 date could either be a typo, or a street date that isn't reflected in the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:51, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starswarm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747770; Should publisher have New American Library added to it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Per [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher|this help template]], it can be, but it's not required. Since the record predates my verification, and the publisher is within the rules, I never considered changing it. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:57, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Michaelmas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749051; It's by Algis J. Budrys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:16, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FAoWW ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753273; "About" essays at the end aren't on contents page and have no numbers but they're in the contents here; should they have brackets around their numbers and should +[4] be added to page count? Or should essays just be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Penguin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753361; Title page doesn't include the word Volume; [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/wsAAAOSw5OVhnpKC/s-l1600.jpg]. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thomas - The Crystal Button ==<br />
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Hello Ron, looking at the edit history for {{P|211249|this pub}} it's not apparent where the improbable page count came from. Does this look to you as though someone was correcting the page count (to xiv+302) but forgot to delete the previous count of xiii? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:49, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That sounds likely and fits with the Worldcat record. I can double check Bleiler when I get home next week. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:41, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That would be good, thanks. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 01:36, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::''Science-Fiction: The Early Years'' does not appear to have page counts. I've corrected the record to match Worldcat. Thanks for finding the error. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:09, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== <b>Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2</b> ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:01, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I’m out of town for another week. If you don’t get a response from one of the other verifiers by then, I will check. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:45, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out though. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:43, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nyarlathotep Cycle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5758166; Series changed to #14. Other number entered previously is catalog ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I’m holding this until I return home next week and can check the book. You really should have sought agreement from all the verifiers before submitting this edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:24, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I had a feeling you'd say that. I'll cancel the edit and do it again with just the link although the numbering is correct because the date follows #13. When you return you can look into it and if you decide to change it just add my name to the notes as the one who discovered it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:51, 1 September 2023 (EDT)--<br />
:::No, the numbering submitted with your edit is not correct. There is nowhere in the book that lists it as #14 in the Cthulhu Cycle publication series. The blog you linked to appears to be conflating what we have as two different publication series {{PS|1744|Cthulhu Cycle}} and {{PS|1742|Call of Cthulhu Fiction}} both of which have some overlap. This book lists the latter series on the spine and lists a series number of 6019. All books in the Cycle series also list Call of Cthulhu Fiction. Further, it describes the book as a "Cycle Book" on the back cover. This is how all of the preceding Cthulhu cycle books are described on the back cover except for {{P|5244|The Book of Iod}}. ''The Nyarlathotep Cycle'' appears to be the last book to use the term "Cycle Book", excepting the second edition of {{P|276907|The Hastur Cycle}} which is stated as book 6020 in the Cthulhu Cycle series. So, the record is correct before your attempted edits. We could add the MultiPubS template which I don't believe existed when these books were added.<br />
:::I do have to ask that if you predicted that I would complain that you should have sought verifier approval '''before''' submitting these edits, why then did you submit them without first seeking that approval? You've been told many times before about the requirement for pre-notification, and your anticipation of my complaint makes it clear that you were aware of the requirement. And yet, you submitted anyway. If you feel the requirement for pre-notification should be changed, you could certainly propose such a change at the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page. However, you cannot continue to ignore standards. Please don't do it again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::There's something you may have noticed called "Cancel submission" at the end of every edit. I think after more than two-and-a-half years it should be obvious to those who approve my edits that most of them, including the ones that sit around for weeks or months unnecessarily, are correct, certainly far more often than a lot of the others here I could name, so the occasional "incorrect" one like this (assuming the series stuff you wrote above is correct) doesn't bother me when I have to cancel it. I like to actually see something on the page rather than just an abstract note; I don't have time to wait around and try to remember which of the myriad PV here are still active/alive (because many of them stopped editing long ago but none of you actually marked their pages with a "no longer active" so people are still leaving them messages years later) or are in the process of moving/finished moving but haven't unpacked their books yet or are going into hospital/coming out of hospital or don't care about their edits anymore/hate one or more of the other people here and are holding a grudge, etc. etc. etc. Nothing is permanent here, any inadvertent edit can be reversed with the click of a button. While you've been away on vacation or wherever you were a mod "fixed" a couple of edits of mine that they approved without asking my opinion about the fixes and in both cases they were wrong so I politely asked them to undo their edits and they did so. I stopped editing after Labor Day and plan on not doing any edits until 10/1 and ending on 10/31 (HALLOWEEN!) which is my favorite time of the year. After that, I can't really see myself doing this any longer because, as I've said many times, nobody cares; print books were mostly abandoned on this site long before I started here with only myself and a few others working on them regularly (and some of them don't exactly enter their edits very carefully and I have to fix them) and the majority of edits these days are for e-books and other ephemera which don't interest me because one or more of the people running this site are clearly more interested in having Amazon links in the records that people can click on and bring in cash. By the time I'm done I should have well over 60,000 edits including thousands of Archive.org links so that should keep people occupied long after I'm gone with adding to what I did, as I know some here like to detail every little thing. In the meantime, I have 1,200+ pending edits so hopefully those will be mostly approved by the time I start editing again next month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Aside from the fact that you've interacted with me and am well aware that I am active, every publication has a list of verifiers with a date they were last active, so stating that you had no idea whether pre-notification was required in this or any other instance is disingenuous. In fact, you admit that you anticipated the complaint showing that you were conscious that you were doing was going against the standards. Stating that you don't have time to wait for a reply, which is a requirement that rest of the community abides by, shows contempt for our rules. How other edits were handled, the number of edits pending, your favorite season and your plans for not editing or quitting the project are immaterial to this discussion. If you disagree with the policy, try to get it changed. You cannot continue to ignore the policy because you find it inconvenient. Do not do it again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:40, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::You seem to be a very angry person judging by your responses to me and many other discussions you've had with other editors that I've read in the message board archives going back to several years ago; perhaps you don't enjoy doing this anymore and should find something else to do that makes you happy. Also, my edit adding series # was cancelled and, like I said, I made another one just adding the archived link which is most important, anyway, because it allows people to actually read the book themselves, so I'm not sure what you're still complaining about. Most of my edits are approvable without any issues but to hear you talk you'd think that almost all of my edits are a problem, not to mention that most of the ones you skip over because you think there's something wrong with them end up getting approved by other mods; as I've said before, my correction of edits related to you, whether entered by you personally or approved for someone else, far outweighs anything you have to do re: me, and you've been here far longer than I have. You (and most of the others here) are totally ungrateful and help me with absolutely nothing, only chiming in when you can find something to complain about. Also also, I do think the fact that I have lost interest in editing due to the attitude of others here and the complete breakdown in getting edits approved in a timely fashion because of the huge backlog due to the disorganization behind the scenes and the disastrous recent server move will be a problem soon because, as I said above, I'm one of the very few who edit for print books on a regular basis, not to mention that the number of my edits is usually several times that of all the edits by other editors combined, and in addition to all the new material I've added I've also fixed countless mistakes which apparently none of the thousands of other editors who came before me ever noticed or cared to fix; once I'm gone I seriously doubt anyone else is going to take up the mantle and continue doing that. I also don't appreciate the implied threat at the end of your message; don't do that again. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:59, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Again, your speculations about my mood, complaints about how the project is run, your perceived lack of gratitude, etc. are completely unrelated to the subject we're discussing. I've informed you of the policy. You have stated that "I don't have time to wait around and try to remember which of the myriad PV here are still active/alive..." indicating that you have no intention of following the policy. I don't see how insisting that you must follow the policy is a threat. Again, do not submit edits making substantive changes to records with active verifiers without first seeking their approval. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:06, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Companhy of Battered Women ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757949 this edit] that would impact your verified pub. It looks like a database typo, but wanted to get your confirmation before accepting. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:51, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. I’m out of town until next week. I’ll check when I get home. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It's a typo and the edit is good. Please go ahead and approve. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:39, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Great Ghost Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?372164; I just entered the 1971 Books for libraries reprint and there's vii Roman pages, not xii, since it's a copy of the original I assume yours is the same (as are the 2 copies on Archive.org) and should also be changed to vii. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:54, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:42, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Naomi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#Naomi; PV disagrees with you about the date so you can discuss that with him if you want to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:24, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Turner - The Sea and Summer ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Turner_-_The_Sea_and_Summer this query] and leave a comment there? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:57, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edgar Rice Burroughs: Master of Adventure interior art ==<br />
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I imported all the interior art into the 1968 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11955 Edgar Rice Burroughs: Master of Adventure] from the 1975 edition when I confirmed on the Internet Archive copy of the 1968 one that the list of illustrations is identical. Then I deleted the comment that the frontispiece by Crandall and Williamson is unidentified, as all the illos are credited on the list. (The frontispiece is used as the cover of the even later Bison Press edition, and I knew I'd seen it in my old copy of the '68 edition.)--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 07:49, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thundercats ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=thundercats+random&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; Copies are available to fill in missing info like prices, cover artists, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - Second Foundation ==<br />
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Hello Ron, regarding {{P|471791|this pub}}, do you think the Pages field should be [10]+210, and the Prolog as page [7] (with piping to make it [7]|0.1) ? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:00, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll go ahead and make that change. However, the Prolog is listed as page vii in the table of contents and there is an ongoing [[User talk:Nihonjoe#1634: The Bavarian Crisis|discussion]] on exactly this topic, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone wants to revisit this in the future. Personally, I'm not fond of the bracketed page counts and probably would have entered this as "bp" had I created the record. I'm guessing that I cloned the A state record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:59, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for fixing that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:40, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Other Aliens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?623866; There was a copy uploaded last year so I linked it; maybe you'd like to verify stories or poems per your note and enter the page numbers, too, if you care to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Flashing Swords #7 ==<br />
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Ron, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5769794 this submission], by the author, looks to correct a typo in your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961971 verified pub]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:39, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's a duplicate submission. See [[#In the Companhy of Battered Women|above]]. [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] is holding the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757949 prior submission] and I informed them it was OK to approve. I'll reach out to JLaTondre who may have missed my response. The duplicate submission should probably be rejected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:50, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Rejected , [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== All the Old Fringe Stuff .. ==<br />
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Quick question: You said (about my attempted modification of "All the Old Fringe Stuff You Need to Remember") that "The NONFICTION title record is a container title, which is required in a NONFICTION publication. You could add an ESSAY in the content section as a separate record." But what is the difference between this new entry, and all the other nonfiction essays about science fiction I have listed under "Essays" (not "Nonfiction") on my author's page? (Also, it may be worth mentioning that SciFi Wire was renamed SyFy Wire.) Thanks! [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 17:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:The reason that I rejected your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757579 edit] was that it would leave the publication record in an invalid state. Every publication record has a type, in this case NONFICTION and has a corresponding title record of the same type. You were attempting to change the type of the corresponding record from NONFICTION to ESSAY, which would leave the NONFICTION publication record without its corresponding title record. Looking further into the this record, I'm not certain whether it should have been created at all. The NONFICTION type is for book length works that are primarily nonfiction. It appears that what you originally added was an essay that appeared on a web site and I would guess that is why you chose webzine as the format of the nonfiction. Webzine is not commonly used as a format for NONFICTION. Now that I've looked more closely at the record in question, I'm not certain whether it falls within our [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|criteria]] for inclusion. I'm not particularly familiar with Sci Fi Wire and so have started a [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Sci Fi Wire/ SyFy Wire - webzine or website?|discussion]] on the community portal, seeking advice on whether this should be in or out. Please feel free to join in that discussion with your opinion. Hope that explains why the edit was rejected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:37, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rest of the Robots ==<br />
Hi -- just logged in for the first time in years and saw [[User_talk:Mike_Christie#Review_of_Asimov_in_February_1969_New_Worlds|this]]; sorry, I no longer have that issue -- I sold all my magazines except the Unknowns. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 19:06, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for the reply; sorry I couldn't be more helpful. By the way, I have just made an edit that's pending, to fix an error in Paul Di Filippo's bibliography; would you be able to take a look and let me know if I did it correctly? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:06, 26 September 2023 (EDT)</div>
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<div>Welcome to my talk page.<br />
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== Welcome :) ==<br />
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Welcome aboard! I think we have all the "hot" topics linked from the Main page for your browsing convenience. If you have any questions, just post them on that page or its Talk page. If you have general questions (e.g. "what the heck are we doing here anyway??"), feel free to post them either at [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] or on my or Al's User page any time :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:44, 22 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==A note from T. Jackson King==<br />
Hi Mike! This is T. Jackson King (Tom) logging in here to say thanks for the 6/27 welcome note on my talk page, and to ask you for guidance on how I can modify the listing of my short and long works that key to my author name (above). I've put in a third person biography here and on Wikipedia, but I'd like to update my short fiction listing, the awards category, and then link the biblio stuff to the bio page on Wikipedia. I've read through the How Tos and other stuff, but every time I try to "edit" anything other than my bio, I get a screen message saying editing is presently limited to moderators. Having read the main page stuff and info on new software, etc., I guess that explains that. Any suggestions on how I could gain moderator status solely for my writing info stuff? Or can you or Al or who knows? open up my biblio section so I can do as above? Anyway, thanks much for all the work you and others do to maintain this site. While I have my own website, I love Wikipedia (newbie enthusiasm) and have found the ISFDB to include a lot of fellow writers I've known since the early 1980s. My personal email address should be listed on my login data, or, if not, then you can find it on my web site at www.sfwa.org/members/tjacksonking The email address there doesn't work to link to me, but the address is accurate. Enough chatter. Thanks for your time. Tom<br />
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== Budrys ==<br />
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Responses posted on [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:39, 23 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Vacuum tubes ==<br />
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Thanks for the heads up about transistors! Normally, I am not a fan of new and unproven technologies, but spare parts ''are'' getting harder to get these days... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:35, 25 Jun 2006 (CDT)== Agent of the Terran Empire ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115971 this] is Bob Fowke, as the same art is on page 54-55 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476572+f Dangerous Frontiers]. Thanks. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 21:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Oops! I knew I was missing something! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:53, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Thanks for the welcome ==<br />
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Howdy Mike and thanks for the welcome. I certainly hope to be able to help out with fixing that which needs it and the verification process (I almost called it an effort but that implies there is an end to it whereas a process can be never ending . . .) [[User:PortForlorn|PortForlorn]] 00:02, 19 Oct 2006 (CDT)<br />
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Answered on my Talk page to preserve context, continuity, etc :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:58, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
:Answers updated on my Talk page. We may want to move the last part of the discussion to the Portal since it may have broader applicability. Also, we may want to revive the [[Bibliographic Rules]] page at some point since the Community Portal is getting crowded. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:22, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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Yes, I saw a big chunk of text seemingly disapper about an hour ago. As far as I can tell, the text is still there and you can access it if you pull up the whole page in "Edit Page", but it is not displayed any more. Probably some special characters and/or formatting messing it up. I'll see if I can unscramble it, thanks :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:42, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:The problem with the Community Portal page was the "p" template which was messing it up for some reason. I took it out for now and the page is back in business :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:51, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn ==<br />
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Mike,<br />
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FYI, "Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn", "Vithaldas O'Quinn", "Vithaldas H. O'Quinn", etc were all pseudonyms used by Santesson -- see Contento and http://www.trussel.com/books/pseud_o.htm [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:06, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Aha. Thanks for that. I wonder what his source is? I just checked Who's Hugh (should have done that before), and it gives Contento and McGhan as sources for this; McGhan predates Contento but I'm not familiar with it.<br />
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:I wonder if it would be a good idea for us to eventually have a "sources" table, with a way of citing a source for any non-obvious connection -- primarily assigning pseudonyms. E.g. the variant titles connection could have a secondary table with a key of parent title, child title, and an attribute of source id, pointing to the source which attests the connection. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:26, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::It's probably a good idea to formalize the pseudonym attribution process, which is currently effectively undefined. However, I am not sure what the best approach would be. Something for the Community Portal, perhaps? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::Yes, but I think I'll hold off on that for now -- it's not going to happen before beta testing, and I'd like to avoid any red herrings. I think we do need a couple more features to go live effectively, but not much, so I plan to be minimalist about non-go-live-related issues for a bit. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:41, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Certainly understandable. I have been reluctant to start a discussion of my top secret LIAM module for pretty much the same reason. My biggest concern is that although the software is currently largely functional, it has enough built-in gotchas and twists to discourage all but the most dedicated editors. And once a potential contributor is discouraged, he may not be easy to lure back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:48, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Good point; hadn't really thought about it that way. I think one goal of the beta is to identify what can be improved along these lines. However, to me the main implication is that usability and workflow enhancements are the main thing to look at between now and the beta, since we can actually *do* most things now. That's why, for example, I think award editing is low priority, but an ISFDB watchlist is high priority. I can't see a Heinlein project team member getting very far without the ability to keep an eye on "his" data. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:53, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::It's entirely possible that the majority of the ISFDB activity will be eventually Author-centric, but it's hard to tell ahead of time. In the past, the ISFDB had two primary categories of editors: authors and bibliographers. Authors tended to be highly author-centric (not entirely surprisingly, one might add) and their activity was sporadic, based on random factors like the appearance of new stories/books, writer's block, insomnia, etc. I can certainly see how a returning author may want to see a list of changes to his biblio since his last visit.<br />
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::::::Bibliographers, on the other hand, tended to be much more thorough and '''much''' less author-centric. Some would concentrate on magazines, others on first editions, yet another category would be interested in certain publishers (e.g. DAW and Baen as can be seen elseWiki), etc. They would be much less likely to benefit from this proposed tool unless it could be made highly configurable and track many different fields in various clever ways, which I consider unlikely given our limitations.<br />
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::::::Finally, there are two other categories of editors from years past: unpublished writers who would try to sneak their work undercover, as it were, and regular genre readers, who typically come and go at random intervals. Having said that, the Internet has grown so much and the idea of user-editable databases has become so widespread in recent years, that it's hard to tell what kind of audience we will draw this time around. Oh well, time will tell :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::That list of likely editor types is very illuminating. I guess I was thinking that some authors have such a following that they would draw interested editors, but I suppose the list of authors that would have a sufficiently dedicated following is quite short. On the other hand, my watchlist at Wikipedia has a high overlap with the pages I've edited; I think a lot of editors would like to work that way.<br />
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::::::::There are good-to-excellent single author bibliographies on the net (Bramah, Farmer, Leinster, Vance, etc) that are maintained either by individuals or by small groups, but I don't think we had a whole lot of luck getting them to update the ISFDB. Or, if we did, they were not as visible as the other types of editors. Perhaps we will have beter luck this time. I suppose that "struggling writers", who tended to be more visible, saw the ISFDB and similar outlets as a way to get free publicity. Clearly, Stephen King didn't need the ISFDB to maintain a decent standard of living :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::The key point seems to me to be that we have to have a way to watch data being degraded, so we can stop it. You're putting in many hours of work doing consistency checks. How do you know they are still consistent? (Well, there's not many people editing right now, but you know what I mean.) I spent a long time on the "Ace Books" article in Wikipedia, and I have it watchlisted. I go check every single edit that's done to it, because I have an interest in keeping it high quality. If I can't do that for, e.g., the Fantastic Universe issues I've been entering, I won't really want to enter any more of them. I recently noticed that a title in one of the issues had been changed for an editorial, for example. I'm pretty sure that Al did it, in verifying against Contento2, so I asked him about it. If 20,000 changes had gone by while I was on vacation, I'd have no way of knowing if those issues were still in good shape.<br />
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::::::::This is definitely a major concern, but I am not sure that the proposed software solution is as easy to implement as all that -- see below. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::I realize that moderators are going to be eyeballing changes, and we can have rules about not approving changes to records that are verified, without some justification given in the notes. That's actually pretty strong protection, but I don't think it's quite enough.<br />
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:::::::To get back to your editor types, I think the pure bibliographers will want to know that their work is not just going to get corrupted, otherwise they won't want to enter data. They may not watchlist everything they enter, but they may watchlist most of it.<br />
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:::::::Finally, I don't think it's necessarily that hard to do. To watchlist a title, for example, you need a userid/titleid cross reference table; pretty straightforward. Then you need "for each title: list approved submissions that affect this title, get all publications; for each publication: list approved submissions that affect this title". The user could click on the submission to see the original update request. That would be the equivalent of a diff. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 21:31, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::::Well, that may be easy to implement in a static environment, but Title IDs and Publication IDs get merged and deleted all the time. I really don't know how much work it would take to get even to the low hanging fruit, so I would need to defer to Al. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::Yuck. Merged ids changing the id of what you're watchlisting; hadn't really considered that. I can think of answers, but fundamentally you're right that there are some gotchas -- though I still suspect we need to do it, or something like it. Anyway, I've started a beta discussion on the community portal, so let's wait and see what comes out of that -- maybe nobody else will agree we need the watchlist function. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 09:28, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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I noticed that [[Template:PublicationFields:Title]] and related pages do not include "on" in the list of words that should not be capilized in titles. For example - The DAW list has the following and they look "correct" to me but don't follow ISFDB's conventions and I'm wondering if the conventions should be updated or the DAW titles. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:07, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
*''Incident on Ath''<br />
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*''The Sailor on the Seas of Fate''<br />
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:You're right; "on" looks correct. I'll fix this in the templates -- thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 07:46, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Bug 10009 ==<br />
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Looks plenty fixed to me! :) Al rolled out a number of fairly major changes today, so I would guess that he also zapped 10009 as a "ah heck, might as well do it now" kind of thing. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:12, 7 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== "Nevile Shute"? ==<br />
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Mike, does http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVSEP1959 reflect the spelling of Nevil Shute's name in the magazine correctly or is it a typo? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:17, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:Oops. Fixed. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 18:26, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Templates for magazines ==<br />
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I think the conservative thing to do for now is to "just make the template available so that projects that get going can use it". That way we won't forget about it and can always go back and propagate the template if it becomes popular.<br />
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As far as "author-centricity" goes, it's the natural way to ''organize'' projects and keep track of them. It's not that we will necessarily have all that many author-centric editors, but rather that I can't think of a better way to record what has been done and where things stand. On any given day I may jump between a dozen different Authors and two dozen Series, merging things, deleting, adding, checking secondary biblios, etc, but at the end of the day I go back to the respective Author (and sometimes Series) pages in the Wiki to record what has been done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:37, 17 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Collections contents ==<br />
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I'll happily add the contents, it's just I couldn't see a way to do it from the create page. <br />
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I'll try the clone options page next time. I'm only going to be touching any books if I've got them in front of me. [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 08:48, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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One possible beta bug, I entered years (xxxx-0-0) for all the stories in scared stiff but they've all come through zeroed.<br />
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I'll correct those and see if they go through this time.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 09:59, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Cold print answer ==<br />
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It is a collection, with a second expanded edition, so the initial verification as a novel is a mistake.<br />
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==Recent Hayford Peirce edits==<br />
Hi Mike, I see you're online approving my edits. I seem to have done some things wrong, however. When I go to the Hayford Peirce article it doesn't show Der Zeit-etc. as a foreign edition of Napoleon Disentimed. And now there are two entries for Dinosaur Park -- I was just trying to add the month of publication (May 1994) to the original entry of 1994. Sorry for screwing things up! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:17, 25 Dec <br />
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::No problem. You might find [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant|this help page]] useful -- your data entry was fine, but now you need to tell the ISFDB that "Der Zeit . . ." is actually a variant of "Napoleon Disentimed". When you entered "Der Zeit" it created a publication record, and a title record, both saying "Der Zeit" was the title. Pub records track physical books, so that record doesn't need to change. Title records are the things that connect multiple publications of the same work. So you need to connect the title record of "Der Zeit" to the title record of "Napoleon Disentimed"; the help page link should help you figure it out. If it's not clear, ask again. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::A couple of things to keep in mind. One is that we have a display bug in the current version of the ISFDB software. It causes Variant Titles to appear twice, once as a "Variant Title" under the parent title and once by itself. The bug used to be limited to short fiction titles, but now that Al is trying to integrate short fiction and novel length data on the same page, it has spread to novels as well. That's why ''Dinosaur Park'' is displayed twice. It's just a display issue, there is no need to adjust the data -- I am sure it will be fixed soon.<br />
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:::The second thing to keep in mind is that we are currently listing foreign language translations of English language books as Publications under the main English language title. The reason for it is to avoid clutter on the main Author page for Authors that have been translated into numerous languages. I have already merged the German language version with the English langiage original, so we are all set for now. In the future, you can simply use the "Add Publication to this Title" link on the Title's page to avoid the need to merge the newly entered title with the parent. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Regarding Zeit-etc. Yes, the first entry I made I had the date structure wrong (according to a warning), so I went back and corrected it, or so I thought. Evidently that led to two different entries being made. There should only be one. In any case, the date of publication should, correctly, be 1992-00-00 -- I guess! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
::OK -- have a go at deleting the incorrect one; it should be easy to figure out how. I know the warning message you're talking about; it's just informative, and doesn't stop the data being entered. The format for unknown dates is zeroes, so you can just enter 1992 and ignore the warnings if it's going to be zeroes anyway. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Righto -- it's easier to have the discussion going on at a single page. I have already deleted one of the Zeits. I started to delete Dinosaur Park from my list of novels, since it's now shown as a variant title of Thirteenth Majestral. But then I was afraid that deleting it would also remove it from the variant status. Is a puzzlement! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Yup, it's that bug mentioned above raising its ugly head :( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Ah, so you're saying that I *can't* delete that second listing?! That sounds like a pretty major bug to me! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:57, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::Well, it's just a display bug: if you look at the URLs that the two displayed titles point to, it's the same location, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?15751 This bug only popped up the other day, so it's presumably due to the software overhaul that Al von Ruff is currently in the middle of. I will re-report it again on the Bug page just to make sure he is aware of it :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:03, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::And thanks for the on-going tips -- I'm sure that I'll get up to speed on this eventually. I do have, for instance, other foreign edition info to put in for various books. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 <br />
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::::Hi Mike, it's actually a trade paperback, I guess, the big glossy pb -- I should have realized that there was a different entry for that. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 14:23, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Pence and pounds==<br />
Hi Mike, thanks for the tip on the pound sign -- I use the character set from time to time for other things, so I'll remember to use it here also. Regarding the price of the Canning book, however, we've gotta remember that it was a 1973 book, before the pound had a hundred units of whatever it is. <br />
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1971 was the changeover: a pre-decimal pound was the same as a post-decimal pound though.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:06, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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In those days (and I just checked it in my big old Websters) the pound had 20 shillings and each shilling had 12 pence. So a pound consisted of 240 pence. Which means that a book that sold for 50p (or 50 pence, I'm pretty sure) was not the equivalent of £0.50 -- it would actually be the equivalent of £0.208 (50 divided by 240). Or so I think. Maybe I should go back to the Canning item and change the "p" to "pence"? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 16:20, 30 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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A pound still has twenty shillings in it, but no youth will know what a shilling was. (It's 5 new pence rather than 12 old pence.)<br />
You'd never see a pre-decimal price in pence alone, though, unless it was less than a shilling: and those would have been labelled "d" rather than "p". So "6d" would be half a shilling, or "£0.025" in current parlance. I forget when we lost the half-penny, but I'm pretty sure we don't need to go to three decimals after the mid 1980s....<br />
For pre-decimal prices though, 50p didn't exist, we'd call half a pound "10 shillings" or "10 Bob". If it was really 50 pennies, then it would be "Four shillings and tuppence" or "4/2".<br />
I apologise for my country's weird currency shift,but all I can do now is resist joining the Euro and making it THREE currency systems in my lifetime...<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:06, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Burr by Gore Vidal==<br />
Hi, Mike, and Happy New Year! I see that Burr is listed as a novel by Gore Vidal -- he did indeed write, although not on that date, and it is NOT possibly SF or anything associated with it. I just tried to delete it completely from the list but evidently one has to be a moderator to do so. So, would you be kind enough to do so when you have a moment? Thanks! (It's a *great* book, by the way!) [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:11, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Hmmm, that's very strange -- I just looked at the Vidal biblio summary and Burr is still there. Plus, when I tried to delete it, there was a message across the top of the screen that only a moderator could do so.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:34, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Charles McCarry==<br />
Sorry, I just saw why you had rejected my edit -- *after* I had redone it. I thought that maybe I had forgotten to hit the submit button. I'll redo it, correctly, this time, as Non-Fiction. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:24, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==The "pre" tags==<br />
Hi Mike, I'm using them because someone put this info in the Jonathan Gash discussion and suggested that I use the phrase I've been putting in. I myself thought it looked "awful" once it showed up but I figgered he knew more about it than I did! I wish this Wiki had a preview feature in it so I could see what the changes are gonna look like! I'll go back and remove all the "pre" if you think that's what I should do. Or I'll do whatever you suggest to make things look better.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:02, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Okie, thanks. I copied the tag from "Edit" mode, and maybe there were some formatting things in there that were only for the note he wrote to me and that shouldn't have been copied into the Lovejoy stuff. I'll clean it up, but bear with me if it turns out to be a trial and error process.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Bad ISBN ==<br />
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It's impossible to edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO1318 title] as it has a # at the start of the ISBN and it makes it throws a Python error.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 14:23, 6 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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As I've just added a few entries with '#' at the start of the ISBN (as they are old books but have internal publishers numbers) I'm worried I may be causing you problems.<br />
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Although I see no problem with THAT particular entry.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:10, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Danke! I've been seeing that birthday thing for a while now and wondering if I wuz gonna show up -- now we know that at least *one* thing works! And most of the rest, too, for that matter. It's a wonder that there aren't *more* bugs -- my mind is boggled by how much info there is in here and how it's already so structured.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 11:27, 7 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== British Currency ==<br />
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Thanks for the note on this. Is there a standard for the pre-metric prices? Pounds, shillings and pence. Or is it okay to write them as they are on the books, i.e. 3/6 = three shillings and six pence.<br />
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I've been told that if there are no pence, we should use a dash - e.g. "three shillings exactly" is "3/-".<br />
I don't own any book that would give me an example of POUNDS, shillings and pence. I think there must have been a few, but those were no doubt luxury editions, and would probably need an explanation of "Guineas" too.<br />
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==Check outcome of discussion on use of # in ISBN field==<br />
Hi Mike - I saw you added this but am not sure what page the discussion is on. I saw that you had edited the ISBN help to asking that people not enter the hyphens. That surprised me as I thought we wanted the hyphens as it makes it easier for humans to verify that the ISBN is correct. As moderators, hyphens work to our advantage because right now the moderator/approval page shows the raw data meaning that if I see a hyphenated value I know that an editor entered it with hyphens and ISFDB did not recognize it as an ISBN otherwise it would have stripped out the hyphens. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:28, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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Here's an update since I can't find the ISBN discussion. I just entered/verified a book (Starship by Brian W. Aldiss...) using an ISBN of V2321. ISFDB set up links to Amazon, etc. in the navbar as though this was a valid ISBN. I edited the pub to prefix the catalogue code with # and that got rid of the links to Amazon. I suspect it's a bug but might as well include this with the ISBN discussion.) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:59, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thanks for the update -- I guess I misunderstood the outcome of that discussion. I had previously been entering ISBNs exactly as they appeared on the books, with the hyphens; this led to ISBNs that were truncated and incorrect. I rather suspect that's what's going on with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 this pub], for example; if you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?227671 title reference] you'll see there's something odd going on with the ISBN. I entered that from my copy; it's in my daughter's room and she's asleep right now, so I can't check it, but I'm willing to bet I entered that ISBN with hyphens and if I reenter it without hyphens it will fix the problem.<br />
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:What have you been doing for data entry of ISBNs? Are you using hyphens successfully? I know it displays them on output, but I'd like to know how to use them on input if that can work.<br />
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:For the "#", I take the point about the Amazon link -- hadn't noticed that. However I really dislike that "#" because it isn't actually on the publication. I would rather enter the real data and treat the Amazon link problem as a bug or feature request. Did we have a discussion on this somewhere about the pros and cons of the "#"? I am afraid we did, and it was agreed to use it, but I can't find that discussion now. I really want to suggest we make it optional, at least. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Regarding the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 pub] with the odd ISBN. I did an edit-pub and change the page count from 40 to 40x so that on the mod-screen I could see what the DB value was for the ISBN. The approval screen said <br />
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::It looks like the ISBN had been entered with hyphens before Al started removing them. It seems like there’s a lot of outstanding project requests but yet another one will be to do a DB scan and for all of the publications with valid (good checksum) hyphenated ISBNs we need to remove the hyphens. I believe I have already reported the display bug where the code is inconsistent in its interpretation of valid vs. invalid data.<br />
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::Yes, I am entering hyphens successfully. At the moment when you enter a publication the code looks at the ISBN and if it looks valid, including the checksum, the code will remove the hyphens. Thus had you reentered or just edited your book it would work. There is a bug in this area where if the checksum is not valid then the hyphens are not removed but some of the display code does assume it’s a valid ISBN and that leads to messy results. The good news is that on the moderator screen if you see hyphens then you know it’s an invalid ISBN. If the hyphens are gone then we know it’s either a valid ISBN (editor entered it with hyphens and they were stripped) or it’s an invalid ISBN entered without hyphens). I already have a feature request in for ISBN to better explain it’s interpretation of the data rather than us needing to rely on non-obvious (and unreliable) clues like hyphens in the mod-screens or if the link to Amazon is there.<br />
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::I agree with you about the “#” stuff and that it’s not stated and don’t particularly like the # prefix but also see that it helps makes the edit/display logic very clean and also easy to understand for the humans. Right now the code is getting messy as it attempts to allow for or to deal with human error when entering data into ISFDB, publisher errors, codes that look like ISBNs but are not (SBNs for example), etc. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Genre authors in non-genre periodicals ==<br />
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Hi Mike!<br />
I found where my "talk" page is accessed (I am a brand NOOB about wiki) and read your note about The Universe Well Lost. What is policy regarding stories that we want to index, because they are SF or are by an SF writer (like Sturgeon), but first appeared in a non-SF magazine? Should we add a note to the title record for the story?<br />
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== Re: recent edits (a little late) ==<br />
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Mike: you left a note for me which included the following puzzle:<br />
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"One is you've been deleting the "jvn" that is found in some of the Story Length fields. In fact this is intended to be there; I just realized it's not documented properly."<br />
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I hate to say this but, I've never even SEEN "jvn" on an entry let alone removed it.<br />
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It would seem that either something I'm doing is triggering an automatic removal or some error in a script is removing it. Where does the info show up?? I'd like to help track this down if I can...<br />
[[User:Dsorgen|Dave Sorgen]] 20:54, 17 Jan 07<br />
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:As I dealt with one of these dropped "jvn"s today I took a look into what I had approved/edited and then was able to replicate the issue with one of my test titles. It's an ISFDB bug. See [[Open_Editing_Bugs]] 10090 Minor dataloss – Edit-pub wipes out title storylens for novels. Dave is right in that he's never seen a "jnv" and I filed a bug report about that too at [[Open_Display_Bugs]] 20092 Display of storylen for novels. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:42, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Marc, thanks for figuring this out. Dave, I hope that clarifies it; let one of us know if not. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:50, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Aldiss/Non-Stop==<br />
Mike, on [[User_talk:Thomas_conneely#Aldiss.2FNon-Stop]] you wrote "I could have sworn he'd entered a variant title for "Non-Stop, by Brian Aldiss" at one point, but it's not there now." That's one of the few times where I decided to just leave it as a variant publication. The title record is for Brian W. Aldiss and the publications under that title are by both Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss. Had it been a pseudonym rather than a small variation in the author's name I would have added a variant title. Do you think I should add the VT every time? [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:21, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think so; I understood that to be current policy. Let's take it to Bibliographic Rules or the Community Portal if you think it should be revisited. As with other issues like this, I think the difficulty with your approach would be where to draw the boundary. What about "U. K. Le Guin", which Le Guin agreed to for "Playboy" (I think it was) at one point, only to later discover that the reason was they wanted to conceal her gender from their readers? Is that a significant enough difference? I'd say it was. Rather than make judgements, my preference would be to make 'em all vts unless they are identical in every respect -- punctuation, everything. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::It turned out there was already a title record (two of them in fact) for Non-Stop under Brian Aldiss and so I merged them and made the result a VT of Non-Stop by Brian W. Aldiss. In looking at the main [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?123 title] record it's painful as you can see that the Millennium publication must be one or the other, or maybe both. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:51, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Publications listed "as by Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss" or "Robert Heinlein and Robert A. Heinlein" etc are (unfortunately) not uncommon in the database. They mostly come from Amazon.com, which frequently mishandles middle initials. Have I mentioned the dope smoking penguins lately? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:27, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Magazine Tags==<br />
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Mike, when you wrote "All pubs have tags; for everything but magazine the tag is generated automatically, and the uniqueness is ensured by the ISFDB scripts. I believe the reason that the magazines don't do this is to make it easier to build the magazine index pages", were you basing it on the documentation or on your editing experience? I don't recall manually adding tags for any of the magazines that I entered in December and they seemed to be auto-generated just fine, so I wonder if this issue was resolved a while back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:23, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Wow. I never even thought of just leaving the field blank and letting it do the work! I assumed that the reason it was exposed in the New Mag screen was to ensure the human entered it. I'll update the help to correspond. Thanks for the heads up! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:10, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::I think it goes back to the ISFDB1 days when we had a separate magazine editor who had his own locally hosted database and had to do some magic with tags to get the two databases to talk to each other. Al would probably remember more about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:30, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== More on sigs ==<br />
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Marc, I forgot to mention that you need to check the "raw sig" checkbox to make the sig I gave you work. Also, when you sign on your own talk page, it's smart enough to unlink the talk link (since that's to the current page), so testing it on your own talk page is a bit misleading. Hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thank you Mike - I knew it would be misleading to test on my own pages but for some silly reason I got distracted and failed to test on some other page. The signature should be ok now. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 12:59, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space==<br />
Mike, I noticed that you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space]. Is the editor's name spelled Donald A. Wolheim or is the last name Wollheim in your copy? The contents are a bit tricky to read given it looks like you have both the A and B side stories. Maybe it would work if you create a new publication called ''Tales of Outer Space/Adventures in the Far Future'' Each pub would then list the title of the other on an unnumbered page and would only list the numbered stories for that side. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 15:38, 20 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Good catch; it was a typo on my part. I've fixed it.<br />
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:As for the two pub records approach -- I think this particular pub is the trickiest one I've entered. I don't really like the two pubs idea, because it really is just one pub. The anthology records are part of what's confusing -- they don't really correspond to a single physical pub, as one would expect. I think the right answer is to permit titles within a pub to have a hierarchical relationship to each other, so that the stories could be put inside the anthologies, but I think that's a big change with lots of coding difficulties. So for now I'm inclined to leave it as it is -- at least there are not very many of these omnibuses with anthologies inside them, so it's not a big problem. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:57, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Hello, printings & other thoughts ==<br />
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Hello mike. Still learning how to use site. Discovered enter key works like submit button.<br />
#Printings:Dated printings like ballantine seem straight forward to enter , but what about line numbers 1,2,3, etc.where printing 1-4 lets say are all identical, they raise price of book & printings run 5-9. Should the 1st book have a note saying printings seen 1-4 & 2nd book a note saying printings seen 7-9 & so on with new priced books.Than adjust note for newly discovered printings?<br />
#Older books with letter & number codes. Should i place "#" in front like #F-123 or enter F-123. I see it both ways which is preferred?<br />
#Instead of using "L" how do i get the pound sign?<br />
#I see you have a separate site for DAW books. I have about 200, most from 1-350. Where would this information be of most use?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:12, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Howdy; yes, it takes a while to learn your way around. I hope I can help. Some answers:<br />
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:#Printings: Currently the plan is to have 9 publications in the situation you describe. Each might differ only by printing date (which might not even be determinable) but they are physically different, if only by the number line. In some cases you can derive information about some printings from information in the later printings, and it's OK to enter this information. However, it would be good to explain the source in the notes, and also of course these printings should not be marked as verified unless you have a physical copy to hand.<br />
:#The "#" sign is preferred. I personally dislike this approach, but there are good reasons for it. I think the debate is likely to come up again in the future, but it is complicated, since that field is used for ISBN, which brings a variety of issues with it.<br />
:#If you're using Windows, you can go to Start->All Programs->Accessories->System Tools->Character Map, which permits you to copy all kinds of special characters into the clipboard, whence you can paste them into the price field. The other character I find I use it for is the em dash.<br />
:#Marc will probably notice your comment and respond to you directly, but if not, post a note to [[User talk:Marc Kupper]]. Marc is the DAW expert, and if you're willing he can send you a spreadsheet you can edit with your information. I did the same thing, and sent him about 150 verifications. He'd be glad of any offers to verify, I know.<br />
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:I hope that's useful; ask if there are more questions. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:30, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::*Printings: Note that if you add extra publication entries that you should note very carefully the source of the record. I normally also leave the price and ISBN fields blank to that people don't mistakenly believe a publication may exist with that particular price or ISBN. BTW Mike - I did not realize the plan was to have one publication record per printing. I had assumed one per ISBN/Price pair and that the notes field would have a list of the printings found. One record per printing though makes it much easier to deal with verification. As there is no printing field maybe we should adopt something like "Bantam (16th)" for the publisher name.<br />
::*On the price field and getting the £ sign. You can also use the numeric keypad on the right side of your keyboard. Hold down either ALT key and on the numeric keypad enter 0163, and release the ALT key. A “£” will appear.<br />
::*That's excellent about your DAW collection. Yes, I can e-mail you the spreadsheet. My e-mail is on http://marc.kupper.googlepages.com/contact --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 03:03, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==11th printing of A Wizard of Earthsea==<br />
Hi Mike - I see you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSR0000 A Wizard of Earthsea] using 0000-00-00 for the publication date. The printing history table in my 16th printing says the 11th printing was January 1979. Do you want me to update your record? I see that the 7th [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSD0000 publication] was not dated and someone "back-filled" in the date using the 11th printing as the source and assume that practice is ok with you. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:42, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:That would be great -- in fact I'll go ahead and make the change now. Could you also update the printing history information at [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea|the Le Guin biblio page]]? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
::Aha. I see you have. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Mike - I see you added 5-552-89816-8 to [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea]] - That's a Russian Federation ISBN meaning this may be a translated work. Here's a summary of the ISBN prefixes. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:07, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:::*0- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*1- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*2- French (language - Primarily France but also Canada, Luxembourg, Switzerland and Belgium)<br />
:::*3- German (language - Primarily Germany but also Austria, Belgium, Switzerland, and Liechtenstein)<br />
:::*4- Japan (country)<br />
:::*5- Russian Federation (Primarily Russia but also Azerbaijan to Ukraine)<br />
:::*6- Unassigned<br />
:::*7- China (country) (Taiwan uses the 957- and 986- prefixes. Hong Kong uses 962- and 988-)<br />
:::*After 7 we get into two to five digit group prefixes.<br />
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:::*Group codes 0 to 7 are one digit leaving eight digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 80 to 94 are two digits leaving seven digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 950 to 993 are three digits leaving six digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 9940 to 9989 are four digits leaving five digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 99900 to 99999 are five digits leaving four digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
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::::Mike - After I shut down last night I realized I should have said that a publication being in a particular language or country group is no guarantee that the publication is printed in that language. For example, I have several English language publications printed in Japan that have "4" series ISBNs and am sure that most foreign language books printed in the USA/UK/Canada are using the 0 or 1 prefix. Thus all we can say about that copy of Earthsea with a "5" prefix is that if the ISBN is accurate that the book was probably printed in one of the Russian states. A Google search for the ISBN only came up with English language pages implying that if it's a valid ISBN that the book is printed in English. It could also be bogus data being replicated from site to site. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 17:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::The big Z39.50 search engine at http://www.sigla.ru (click on the tiny Union Jack in the corner to get the English language version of the interface and keep in mind that some functionality is appararently only supported under IE) returns zero hits on 5-552-89816-8. Since the engine is based in Russia and has a good coverage of Russian libraries, it's comewhat unlikely that none of them have this edition, but stranger things have been known to happen. On the other hand, it looks like this particular Pub record comes from Amazon.com and is supposedly a "Spectra" book. I am willing to bet dollars (rubles?) to donuts that Amazon.com screwed up and the ISBN should have been our old friend "0-553-26250-5" -- see http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7653 [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::Hmmm. So you think we should just delete it? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:00, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::Well, what are the chances that any book published in the USSR (note the 1991 date) was priced in dollars? :) It's just another bogus Amazon.com ISBN; unfortunately, there are thousands of them and many have migrated to the ISFDB. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:20, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::::You convinced me; it's gone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:23, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm catching up on random things. Deleting seems fine - I had stared at the ISBN for a bit trying to see if it was a transposition error, someone who shifted a column or row while keying, etc. and did not see anything where I could say "this looks like that ISBN over there." Maybe the verification logic should check to see if an ISBN is in Amazon and refuse to accept any publications that that match Amazon's data? :-) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:54, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Where was the thread about vt display?==<br />
Hi Mike - I'm trying to find the thread, and I'm not sure if its one you or I started, about when there is just one VT that it can be confusing and when there's more than one it looks good. I just added a couple of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?John%20W.%20Campbell,%20Jr. John W. Campbell] books and used VT to get them linked to John W. Campbell, Jr.'s page. At first the bibliography looked pretty terrible as it showed <br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965) [as by John W. Campbell ]<br />
and it was not clear the title was available under both Campbell and Campbell, Jr. I did a hack in that from ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1528 The Mightiest Machine]'' Campbell, Jr. I used "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" to make a new title called ''The Mightiest Machine'' by Campbell, Jr. Now there more than one VT record and the display looks like<br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1972) [as by John W. Campbell ] <br />
The first one is not really a "Variant Title" but it seems clearer that the story was published using both "John W. Campbell, Jr." and "John W. Campbell."<br />
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I wanted to add this to the original thread for comment but now I can't find it. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 18:52, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I had an outstanding action to make that thread into a feature request, which I've now done at [[Feature:90115 Enhance vt display to show both canonical name and pseudonym]]. For the moment I've just redirected the feature link to the original edit-bug link. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 06:40, 25 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Oops!==<br />
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Oops! Sorry, Mike, I have accidentally approved one of your changes instead of mine. It looked like a simple correction of the "first name - last name" order in an author's legal name, so hopefully no harm done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:05, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:No problem, I realized what had happened. Good thing I wasn't testing an Author Merge submit of Le Guin and Asimov! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:09, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::My thoughts exactly :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:38, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:"The Moon Maker" by A. Train ==<br />
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Mike- There is also a second author "Robert W. Wood" but when i used the add author button no 2nd author box turned up, so i entered what i could. also the book lists seven other books on the dust jacket as available from publisher or bookstore, none are in your DB. Should i enter them with cautionary note about there source? They list then as SF & Fantasy.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:15, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Danke! ==<br />
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Just a quick note to say thanks for the tips and info about merging records. Gracias.<br />
-- Mike Arnzen<br />
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== The Land of Laughs ==<br />
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Yes, it was a slip of the mouse. The merged title should be "The Land of Laughs".<br />
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Sorry it took a while to reply, I kept checking my user page but didn't realise I wasn't actually logged in.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:23, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Cover design/Illustrator ==<br />
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Mike, the cover illustrator is listed as an artist, but what about the cover designers? Should they be listed as artists or separately in the notes?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:29, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think the best solution here is to list them in the notes. Marc suggested using an INTERIORART record with a location of "cv" for "cover"; that works too. I use the notes myself. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:48, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moorcock/DAW question ==<br />
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Marc, can you answer a DAW question for me? I was about to enter Moorcock's "Warriors of Mars" and "Barbarians of Mars", which I have in the Compact pb editions from 1965. The title listings, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 here] each show a DAW edition dated 1965. This is obviously nonsense, but I was wondering if there were any DAW editions at all that you know of. If not, I'll overwrite these with the Compact data; if so, I'll leave them and change the dates to unknown. Thanks -- [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:07, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:* http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 Barbarians of Mars] - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:--[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 16:28, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Messiah at the End of Time ==<br />
Mike - please take a look at [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Messiah_at_the_End_of_Time]] --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 1 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Front cover images ==<br />
Thanks, I should be more careful with paste & copy :-) [[User:A.kesrith|A.kesrith]] 11:04, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moving misidentified titles ie:Novels to Collections. ==<br />
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Mike, this may have an obvious answer but if i want to move a title from novel to coll. or the other way, is there an easy way? Also moving title or titles from novel to serial & the other way? Example Schroeder's Permanence is a stand alone novel but Lady of Mazes should be in Ventus? series.Lady is a loose prequel to Ventus, per conversation with the author.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:49, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Changing the type of a title requires at least one step; one for the title, and then one for each publication that needs to be changed. First display the title, then choose "Edit Title Data" and change the pulldown data type to be whatever it should be. When that's approved, display the title again and look at each publication to see if it has the right type; you can display and edit each in turn to change it to suit. Remember that not every publication may need to be changed -- if the novel has appeared in an OMNIBUS, for example, the OMNIBUS doesn't get a NOVEL type.<br />
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:Re your second question: I assume you mean "series", not "serial"; ISFDB uses the latter term to refer to serialization in a magazine. The way to change series data is covered in [[Help:How to work with series]]. Briefly, what you do is go to the title page -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22286 here] is the title page for Permanence -- and choose "Edit Title Data". You'll see a "Series" field and a "Series Num" field; these should be blanked out to make the title a standalone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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==dos-a-dos collections==<br />
Mike = please take a look at this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BTWNTWWRLD1997 publication] and see if how I handled the pagination works for you. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:16, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:That's a pretty neat way to do it. I certainly don't like the alternative, which comes out like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 this]. I don't like hacking fields to make them do something different, but there are very few dos-a-dos collections and anthologies, so I think this is fine as a workaround. You might post a note to Al or at the CP to see if anyone can think of a reason not to do this. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:28, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::ok - I may propose it as a standard where instead of author names we use "A" and "B" with a note to explain which side is which. The reason is the page # field is 8 characters long. I knew that going in and was happy that both Carr and Shaw are short names. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:30, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oops - I just did a test where I changed one of the page #s from Shaw-35 to Shaw-3 and it did not sort up. The logic must look at the page # field and if it's not obviously a number to not sort the record meaning the entire list is not sorted at the moment but instead we are looking at the MySql record order. Well, back to the drawing board on that one. I thought about creating two standalone publications for the collections and making the dos-a-dos an omnibus. I'd need to add notes explaining that the publications are placeholders and that it's 1/2 of a dos-a-dos. If I want to get sneaky I make both of the collection titles variant titles of each other and they will vanish from the author bibliograpies leaving just the dos-a-dos... <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:46, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Variant help question==<br />
Mike, at [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant#Marking_a_title_record_so_that_it.27s_a_variant_title_of.2C_or_a_pseudonym_for.2C_a_title_that_does_not_exist_yet_in_ISFDB]] is the sentence "In this case it is generally best to make the canonical form of that title the one with the pseudonym." It's the second sentence of the second paragraph and is throwing me for a spin cycle. I believe the first sentence states there is no canonical form yet and so I'm not sure what you were trying to add to the explanation with the second sentence. TIA. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:28, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
:Marc, sorry for the delay on replying on this. That text dates from before I understood how canonical forms controlled bibliographic displays. What I meant was that if, for example, Asimov wrote a story called "Obscure Story" as by "Fred Bloggs", and it had never been published as by Isaac Asimov, then the canonical form would be "Obscure Story" by "Fred Bloggs". My assumption now is that we want every title by author X to use the canonical form of author X in the canonical title. In the example, that would be "Obscure Story" by "Isaac Asimov" and there would be a variant for the version with the pseudonym. I've changed the text in the help to correspond to this but let me know if you think this is not correct. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:28, 10 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:Betancourt/Dawn of Amber series ==<br />
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Mike , i entered a new series title for two books and ended up with two series with a book each. they should be under one series title only. Did i miss a step somewhere? Also with regards to SFBC is it okay to use the codes on the back page for dating books, or list them as 0000-00-00 and put a mention in notes about the code? Like Foster's Midworld L25 p.178 translates into 1981-06-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:48, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Re the series: can you tell me the titles you were working on? From what you say, it should have worked; the only requirement is that the series name matches. For the SFBC, I would use the codes to date books but add a note explaining the source, as not everyone will understand this -- I wouldn't know how to do this myself, for example, though I know that the book clubs have periodically used codes that are traceable to dates. If you can find a reference to a date in another source, such as Locus1, which is pretty good about dating SFBC editions, there's no need to add the confirming note in that case as your verification against the Locus1 source will show where you got the data.<br />
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:Would you consider posting a note to the community portal about the translation of the codes? It would be useful to others; no doubt some people know about it, but not everyone. We might add a note about it to the helptext for the date field. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:58, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:John Gregory Betancourt - Series-Roger Zelazny's the Dawn of Amber.Have a look at www.bookthink.com/0005/05sfb.htm (Collecting the SFBC)they have a good overview and table.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:50, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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Marc, you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSX0000 this pub] of "A Wizard of Earthsea". I noticed you didn't add the "About the Author" and "About the Illustrator" sections -- can you check and see if they're there? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:28, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi Mike - Yes, they are there on an un-numbered page that's just after page 183. I added these to the publication. There is also an exerpt/blurb at the very front of the book just after the cover titled '''The Great Spell'''. The first and last lines are<br />
:* The words of the enchantment hissed and mumbled on Ged's lips, and then he cried out aloud and clearly, "Elfarran!"<br />
:* ... breach clambered something like a clot of black shadow, quick and hideous, and it leaped straight out at Ged's face.<br />
:Google finds the text in the middle of http://www.isibrno.cz/~jakl/genesis/index.php?Thera/book_3.html though the text in the book has been edited down with strategic dot-dot-dots. I don't even know what to call this and thus am not sure if it's in or out per [[Help:Screen:NewPub#What_to_include]]. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 14:08, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Time Dweller ==<br />
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First, I'm back up and running again now (with my MTU tweaked from 1500 to 1458). So hopefully it'll be permanent this time.<br />
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As for the Time Dweller, I did miss this one, but had listed a few others I wanted to go back and look at. I assume I just need to add a new title to the publication, remove the old one from the publication, and make the new record a varient of the original one.<br />
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Your mention of the comic strip in My Experiences in the Third War also reminds me of the ones in New Nature of the Catastrophe (which also contains a music score). I put them all as interior art, but could change them to fiction. Comic Strip might be a sensible option to have, there's also one in Mieville's Looking for Jake. I suppose they could be entered as a short story against the author, with interior art set to the artist. <br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:54, 12 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Cornelius price checks ==<br />
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I'm looking at some Moorcock books you've already verified so thought I'd double check before I go adding duplicates. <br />
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I changed the price of The Final Programme, Quartet 1976 from 75p to 70p.<br />
I've got a copy of The English Assassin Fontana/Collins which only lists the 1979 date but is priced at £1.50<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 17:29, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi -- on The Final Programme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFNLPRGRM1976 this] is the one I verified -- did you mean a different title? My one is definitely 40p, but it's a Mayflower.<br />
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:My "English Assassin" does seem to be the 1979 date. The copyright page says "First published in Great Britain by Alison and Busby Ltd 1972. This revised edition first published by Fontana Paperbacks 1979. Copyright Michael Moorcock 1972." The cover is green and black, with white and yellow lettering; it shows what seems to be a bowl of some sort covered by green cloth. It says "Cover illustration by Bill Sanderson" on the back. Pricing is "U.K. £1.00; Australia $3.50; New Zealand $3.75; Canada $3.50". Does that sound like your copy? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:02, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: Sorry I meant A Cure for Cancer for the Quartet edition. <br />
::I've definitely got £1.50 on the back of The English Assassin, with a black block underneath and then the other prices are the same. Exact same text on copyright page. It must have been an undated stealth reprint. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 01:22, 23 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::I agree -- your "English Assassin" must be a reprint; that black box is a giveaway.<br />
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:::For "A Cure for Cancer" I think we are also looking at a stealth reprint; presumably mine this time, since my copy definitely says 75p. Here's the copyright page text: "Published by Quartet Books 1976 . . . Copyright (C) 1971 by Michael Moorcock. ISBN 0 704 31". The ISBN really is chopped like that. The back cover says "SCIENCE FICTION/ISBN 0 704 31256 5" then U.K. 75p; Australia $2.45; New Zealand $2.30 Canada $2.25". The title page says "Quartet Books", but the logo on the front and spine is the Futura logo, with "Futura" on the front next to the logo. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:42, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::I think these should be sorted out now, though the ordering is unfortunate. I realised I couldn't re-verify one you'd already done so have put yours back to 75p and created a clone for the 70p version. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 19:18, 19 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Other Days, Other Eyes==<br />
Hi Mike - Can you check your Pan edition of ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and see if there is any evidence of<br />
* Mar 1974 publication date - you verified 1974.<br />
* Cover by Mark Harrison - you did not credit anyone<br />
* Is there a note about "First British Paperback Publication?"<br />
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What happened was I did not realize there were two title records for ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and via scanning Amazon/AbeBooks constructed publication records for all of the editions I could find. When I was done I saw the other title record and merged them. My constructed record lists the extra details but I have no idea how the sellers came up with them. Also, does your cover have the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/772788165.jpg lady with the glasses] or the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/171644290.jpg lady in the window]? <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 22:07, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Can't see any evidence of March; it just says "First published 1972 by Victor Gollancz Ltd. This edition published 1974 by Pan Books Ltd" on the copyright page. The cover is the lady with the glasses; no credits for the cover that I can see anywhere. Googling Harrison finds some evidence he's a cover artist so I think this is probably not by him -- the lady in the window is art but the lady in the glasses is a photo. There's no note about "first British paperback publication" anywhere. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:55, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Dancing at the Edge of the World==<br />
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Mike, I see that you verified the Grove Press hardcover edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DNCGEW1989 Dancing at the Edge of the World] with a date of 1990-00-00. My copy, which is otherwise identical in terms of the data shown, anyway, has a date of 1989; is your copy a later printing by chance? Since it's verified, I didn't want to just change it, and I'm wondering if I should enter my copy as a new edition.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 15:36, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I'll check; I am only going to be home about a day between Singapore (where I am now) and Colorado (where I'm going skiing 10-17 March), so if I don't get to it at the end of this week it will be another week or two. By the way, has "Brave New Words" started shipping yet? I checked Amazon and it still shows pre-order status. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:09, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Have fun skiing! I haven't seen any copies yet, so I'm not sure what the status is. My editor stopped working for the press a couple months ago, so my flow of information has also been somewhat disrupted.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 22:14, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: You have not been to the Singapore markets yet to get a bootleg "Brave New Words"? :-) {{Marc Kupper}} 02:21, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958 ==<br />
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Mike, there is what appears to be a duplicate Silverberg article in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INFNTJAN58 Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958]. Jan has submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_remove.cgi?394321 "Title Removal" request], which I then put on hold. Since you did most (if not all) of the work on ''Infinity'' earlier this year, it would probably be best if you could take a look at the issue when you get back. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:40, 8 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
:I'm back from Singapore; off to Colorado tomorrow. Yes, approve it; it's debris from an earlier incomplete clean-up. As I recall, another editor created this using the EDITOR type, so when I followed up I added the ESSAY and then realized the error. Don't know why I missed deleting it, but it can go now. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:40, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
::Done, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:34, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Imagination - wrong year ==<br />
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Should be April 1951 Beyond the Fearful Forest cover --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 16:36, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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Thanks. The pages in my woeful copy were loose from the spine so there could be some other explanation. I'm going to try to track down another copy for my own personal collection before I make such a notation. --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 19:59, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Reference book adoption ==<br />
It's yours, Mike, and there's no charge. Just give me a snail-mail address and I'll send it. ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 13:02, 10 Mar 2007 (CST))<br />
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:Thanks! It's 2511 Great Oaks Parkway, Austin, TX 78756. I appreciate it -- I've been meaning to buy that book for about twenty years now. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:13, 18 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Shipped out today via media mail, so you can expect it in 7-10 days. Enjoy! ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 16:39, 21 Mar 2007 (CDT))<br />
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==Dissolute Diplomat==<br />
Mike, can you check your copy of "Dark Night in Toyland" and see if "Walt Willis" is credited on "Dissolute Diplomat"? My paperback doesn't, which seems strange: British pubs usually stay quite consistent between hc and pb editions. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:00, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:No credit to Willis at all. I checked copyright statement, title page, ToC, and story heading. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 14:19, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Cheers: I finally got around to making the edits, let me know if anything looks wrong. Or if you just wanted the variant the other way round. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 15:55, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Omni or Coll.? ==<br />
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Mike I have a Jules Verne novel(1958) "From the Earth to the Moon -and A Trip Around It(Round the Moon) described as "Modernized Abridgment". From Earth.. is 80 pages and A Trip... is 125 pages. What do you think would be the right classification?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:20, 27 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think I'd call it a novel, still, but I'd put a note on the publication explaining the situation. Using alternative titles (e.g. "<title> (abridged)" has been discussed, but that brings other problems. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:34, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Brin1==<br />
Just a heads-up that you may want to be even more careful with Brin1's edits: I suspect he's constructing publications from reviews, or something equally strange. :-(<br />
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The one that caught my eye was "Judge Dredd: Wetworks" - the publication title is debatable as to whether the "Judge Dredd" is part of the title, but the author is definitely "Dave Stone" rather than "David Stone". (I used to know him quite well, I even used to stay at his house when I was dating one of his house-mates: he's definitely not the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?David%20Stone older David Stone] that we have as a cover-artist that Brin1's edit ended up with.) I've put the title and author back to the correct ones (Brin1's edit at least gave us a pub with a different price) but to keep the review link I've also edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BNDFNTSSCB1995 this magazine] - that may not be correct, but we'd need another "David Stone" even if that's the way it's printed in the magazine. :-/<br />
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I'm not sure if Brin1 has any more surprises up his sleeve, but he's not responding to his talk-page so all it seems I can do is warn the reviewers. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:27, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:OK, thanks for the note. I know I'm not the most thorough moderator we have, so reminders to be extra careful are worth it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:23, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I sure wish there was a way to pop-up a message as I just held few more Brin1 but if s/he is not reading the talk I'm not sure how useful it is to add more notes. Overall, I believe many of the brin1 edits are good and in fact just approved one where I did a double-take as it was a book I have and s/he added a note very much like one I would have added. I had to go look and see if s/he was adding a duplicate pub but it turned out I had not added the book to ISFDB yet. {{Marc Kupper}} 13:58, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::I have been thinking about requiring an e-mail address at account creation time, but then again, it may scare away potential casual contributors, e.g. published authors... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:42, 4 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::::The DB side of things could check for "new messages" and link to the user's talk page. {{Marc Kupper}} 11:35, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Amazing-The Rain of Fish ==<br />
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Mike The essay is included in the contents page but is nowhere in the magazine. My original edit did not include it. Did you read my question about the omni or coll. If a novel has been abriged(severly) is it still a novel or short story?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:26, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think the best thing to do is to put in a note as you have done, but not to add the content record, as the entry does not actually exist. If you agree I'll reject the submission; or if you prefer I can accept it and do a remove-title on the added record. Otherwise let me know how else we might approach this one. Sorry about the slow reply on the other question; I've answered above -- hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:36, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: I thought it best to include what was in the contents page, because the essay maybe referenced somewhere else and if someone was looking for it they would find the note about it not being in the magazine. Although if you think its best than delete the submission. On the other question i'll treat them as novels and enter it as an omni, but not tonight have to go to london tomorrow, will be gone for a couple of days.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:00, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden ==<br />
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Mike, you verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THVSNRWNDR1984 The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden: Audubon's Early Years] by Le Guin and Sanders back in December. Would you say that, at 79 pages, Sanders's piece is a novella (as Locus describes it)? And do we want to change "Authors: uncredited" to Le Guin and Sanders? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:49, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Aargh. I hate estimating lengths. I'll do a rough word count on a page, and multiply, and see what I get. Re "uncredited": this format was based on an approach discussed on the CP, though I don't think there was a consensus. The idea was that a dos-a-dos book should be done as an anonymous omnibus, since placing authors at the pub level implied collaboration. The contents then get appropriate attribution at the title level. The discussion was really about Ace doubles, but of course it applies here too (these are dos-a-dos). So if you want to change them, that's fine, but I'm not sure it's worth it till we get a consensus on the definitive approach to doubles. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:00, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification! I do remember the dos-a-dos discussion, alhtough it occurred while I was mostly busy elsewhere, so I may not have done it justice. Personally, I am inclined to enter dos-a-dos Authors at the Publication level as well since I tend to think of "uncredited" as something that we would want to use exclusively for anonymous authors and editors. However, it's not a huge deal and I can certainly wait until we sort it all out. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:51, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Well, I don't think that others are necessarily entering dos-a-dos works in the same way. Personally I think the right answer is a change in the software to permit special handling for this kind of book, but that will have to wait. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:19, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Aldiss/Starswarm ==<br />
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Mike, can you check and see if your copy has "Sector Grey" spelled with an "e" or "a" my copy is spelled "Gray" if yours is "e" than mine is a variant, thanks. I see my Rain of Fish is still on hold(to keep or not to keep that is the question?):-)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:46, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Always Coming Home ==<br />
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Do you think this should be classified as a collection? Some of the stories/songs appeared in other works but as there are so many publications it'll be a pain to add all of the stories to each one.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHMR1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon and am pretty sure it matches your edition as I have a copy.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWYSCH1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon but am unsure if it matches your edition.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHML1986}} which you also verified - You have the ISBN as 0-575-038555-1 but that's one digit too long though ISFDB does not complain about it. I guess the only clue is the header is "Catalog ID:" and not "ISBN." I believe the ISBN should be 0-575-03855-1 as in {{amazon|0575038551}} and {{amazon.co.uk|0575038551}} and so updated the publication record.<br />
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{{Marc Kupper}} 19:08, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think of it as a novel; a reverse fixup, if you like -- bits are easily publishable elsewhere. Yes, both images are right; and I rechecked the ISBN and you are correct on the fix -- good catch. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:47, 19 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Mankind Under the Leash, Thomas M. Disch ==<br />
Mike, you verified the first Ace [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?PLNTXLE1966 publication] of this title, but did so showing the author(s) as "Uncredited." Did you mean that about the cover artist or the writer(s)? I was scanning an eBay auction today, and saw a copy with Disch's name on the cover... ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 21:04, 27 May 2007 (CDT))<br />
:Hi, Scott -- it's uncredited because of the approach I was taking at the time, which is that an Ace double is an omnibus with an anonymous editor. The individual books get credited to the authors, but the overall title is not credited to either.<br />
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:The alternative is to credit the book to both, which just seems ugly to me. I think that the right answer, long-term, is to have special display logic for anonymous omnibuses or dos-a-dos books. For now, deal with it however you think best -- we never reached a consensus to use this approach, though there was no agreement on any other representation of dos-a-dos books either. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 13:58, 29 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: I personally credit both authors though know the [[Template:PublicationFields:Author|help]] says to state it as "N/A" though {{a|n/a}} shows that that only one person read and followed that bit of help implying the help page should be updated to drop the reference to "N/A" but I'm not sure if people-consensus is that they use "uncredited" or state the author names. {{Marc Kupper}} 15:00, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Welcome back ==<br />
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Mike, I see you must have had more than two consecutive minutes for ISFDB recently and so figured I'd welcome you back and may even send you some DAW verifications to look into though not until the weekend. {{Marc Kupper}} 14:46, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: Yes, welcome back! I know I've added some DAW stuff recently (from Josh Kirby cover-art references mostly, I think, and all the pages they led me to) so there is probably work to be done fixing up my and/or my publications errors. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:04, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Page numbers for artwork ==<br />
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I want to modify the help on interiorart so it explicity states what was relayed to me by Ahasuerus, namely, "Listing the first page on which a piece of art appears". The magazine used as an example is the December 1956 issue of '''Infinity'''. The first piece of artwork for the Lesser story is actually on page nine although the database entry lists it as page five. Since it is also acceptable (though not mandatory) to print the page number for each piece of art (and help should reflect this more explicitly) it seems like the actual page number where the art appears should used. Clarification?--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 11:14, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think there has been some debate on where to enter the artwork page number. If I recall correctly, I was arguing for making the page number the same as that of the story. The reason was that I thought it was likely we would not enter every single illo for a story; we would only record the fact that story X was illustrated by author Y. In that case, the page number couldn't in general reflect the page number of the artwork, so it seemed sensible to use the page number on which the story started.<br />
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:I don't think we ever got complete consensus on it, but we did agree that ''if'' you're entering every illo, you obviously do put the artwork in with page numbers referring to each illo in turn. The problem with that approach, for me, was that there were no titles for the illos; it didn't really seem to me that the multiple illos were separate delivered artefacts, any more than we index the chapters in a novel separately. But there was no consensus, so I suggest you do something consistent and reasonable and document it in the help. Does that make sense? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:55, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I am going to change it to say that the first page where artwork is found should be used. Al and Ahasuerus intended this. It will save editing time if an eventual consensus is reached that all pages should be entered, which is what Al would like to do. Artists like Virgil Finlay and Hannes Bok take my breath away every time I come across a piece of their work; I consider each piece they do a seperate masterpiece.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 08:13, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::: I haven't been entering every illustration, but may eventually: as usual Marc keeps raising the bar. I notice that even he doesn't enter it all as Interiorart though, e.g. see what he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WHNTHGRNST0000 did here]. The titles are ''paraphrases'' of text in the main novel. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 12:43, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: There ya go - makin'un 'ple of me 'gin. :-) The publication I entered should be viewed as an exception rather than as a "standard" on how to treat illustrations. In that case I entered the illustrations as the publication was unusual in several ways. 1) It has a list of illustrations page. 2) DAW books rarely have interior art. 3) The drawings are cool. I started to the enter the illustrations in the ISFDB contents but then realized they were titled using paraphrased text and did not have actual titles and so went with the publication notes.<br />
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:::: FWIW - I don't have a strong opinion on if and how illustrations should be entered. In one case I carefully described the illustrations for a Ursula Le Guin book, including the little dohickies at the start of each chapter and top of each page as the story had been reprinted by several publishers and I wanted other editors to be able to title-merge illustration credits if possible or if they cloned the publication to know if they should delete the illustrator credit. Usually though I just note the artist's name and either no page #, the first page of a story if there is more than one illustration, or the page # of the illustration if there's just one. The primary goal is to acknowledge that the person did the work so that if someone wants to collect a particular illustrator's work they will know where to find it. {{Marc Kupper}} 22:07, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Change to verified pub Infinity, October 1956 ==<br />
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Changed Infinity's Choice from short story to essay because it is book review column.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 07:40, 26 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Runestaff ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added the cover-art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 your verified pub] if you'd like to check it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:15, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars ==<br />
Another heads-up that I added the price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123671 your edition] based on the review I found. Are the notes clear enough for your taste? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 07:28, 20 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson's After Doomsday ==<br />
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Mike, can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965 this verified edition] of Anderson's novel and see if the catalog number in the db is correct? Tuck shows the catalog number is 1798. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:25, 22 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Tuck's right; don't know why I made that mistake, but I'm glad you spotted it. I've fixed it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:19, 28 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I've added a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128141 cover image] --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 16:47, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie ==<br />
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Added a cover and artist update to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?STRPRNCCHR1976 Star Prince Charlie]. Does it match? [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 07:31, 9 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson, The Warriors From Nowhere ==<br />
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Copied from verification page.<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1980 Agent of the Terran Empire] Ace, 0-441-01066-0 it's The Warriors From Nowhere. In the other four publications of that title it's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?62695 Warriors from Nowhere]. Can someone with one of those pubs please check. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1977 Coronet] edition was verified by Mike Christie, I'll ask on his talk page also. Thats a British edition, so I'd still like to know about the other US editions. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 22:41, 13 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: Mike, I've added cover-art to that pub as I believe I have the identical edition. I'll respond to the verification request as well. However, I also corrected the "Honourable Enemies" entry back to the British spelling it actually has, so please double-check that too - I'm beginning to worry about US printings being overstamped for the UK market, although I've not seen that in Coronet yet. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 13:10, 14 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Home page protected ==<br />
Mike - your home page has turned into a target for OamTra. I protected it as it looks like the only people who normally edit it are moderators but did not add <nowiki>{{protected}}</nowiki>. Your user-talk page is still unprotected. {{Marc Kupper}} 23:50, 22 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added cover-art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 verified pub] and standardised the ISBN. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:38, 27 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
And cover-art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16086 this pub]. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:30, 9 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Merman's Children ==<br />
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I've added the cover art[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22013] plus a note about the printing.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:51, 11 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Caviar ==<br />
DGeiser13 added art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6458 verified pub], please check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 10:49, 13 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash ==<br />
I've added covers to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26239 Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash] if you'd like to check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 09:39, 28 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Butterfly Kid ==<br />
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I added cover art to your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36689 this novel]. As I have the same edition I can safely assume it has the same cover as yours. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:38, 7 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Sword and the Stallion ==<br />
Can you please check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSWRDNDTH1984 verified pub] - the Publisher and ISBN don't seem to match up. (Panther would normally be an 0586 prefix.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:29, 24 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== change to title in pub you verified ==<br />
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I'm changing an author's name in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?806309 this omnibus (Ace double)] from "Avaram Davidson" to "Avram Davidson". I think everything in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RCNNNSW1966 the pub itself], which is what you're listed as having verified, actually had it correctly. Please let me know if this is a problem. Thanks! -- [[User:Davecat|Dave (davecat)]] 16:07, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Mike is on an extended ISFDB vacation, so we may want to repost this request on the Verification board in case somebody has a copy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:44, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oh, I see that you have already posted on the Help Desk! Never mind then :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:53, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Could you please check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89769 this pub] you have verified; I would like to know if ''112 • Strictly Confidential • shortfiction'' was by Gordon Dickson or Gordon R. Dickson. Something wrong happened to the author's record and we are trying to recover the missing info. Thanks. I'm also posting this on the [[ISFDB:Verification_requests|Verification board]]. --[[User:Roglo|Roglo]] 15:16, 11 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== The Star Fox ==<br />
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I have uploaded an image for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117861 verified publication] plus added a couple of notes. {{Marc Kupper}} 04:49, 23 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== Note to the outside world ==<br />
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It would be great if we could co-ordinate our work with yours. I would be glad to re-prioritize some of the tasks I am likely to do if they are consistent with your goals. I think I have pretty much exhausted my collector's budget for a lifetime but I do have nearly all of the mags from the 50's and the major titles from the 60's. My collection is quite accessible so if I have a pub that is not in your collection feel to ask questions.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 21:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't think I'll have much need for you to reprioritize data entry -- I have good index references, as well as having a decent collection (if not as good as Ahasuerus's). If I do have a need to look at a 50s or 60s issue that I don't have, I'll definitely ask you. That could come up if I have a question about something that the indexes don't cover, such as circulation figures, in an issue I don't have. Thanks for the offer.<br />
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:One thing that the ISFDB doesn't do well, though the data is there, is to look at a magazine over a period of time. For example, in the bibliographic details for each magazine, I like to be able to list the changes in page count and size, and the use of different internal features like letters, or science articles. There's no easy way to do most of this in the ISFDB, though you can look up this information issue by issue. At least it's there. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Circulation figures ==<br />
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Mike Ashley's ''Gateways to Forever'' which covers the sf mags of the 70's also has tables in Appendix 5 which list magazine circulation figures for 1962 through 1980.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 15:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Outstanding! Thanks for letting me know; I have that book but hadn't noticed. Much appreciated! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::Just stopping by to say "Hi!" and point out that your signature link to the Talk page seems to be broken :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::A link to the page being displayed always shows as bold rather than a clickable link. That is a feature of the MediaWiki software. Look at any of my sigs on my talk page. [[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 17:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, very devious! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Fox versus H. Fox ==<br />
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I've taken the liberty of adjusting several of your verified pubs to reflect the cover-artist as I read the signature. There's an [[Bio:H._Fox|H. Fox]] that seems to have done many of the Badger Books and Magazines, but I don't think it's the same person as [[Bio:Fox|Fox (no "H"]]. If you've got a magnifying glass handy, and some spare time for ISFDB, can you please check to see if there's a little "H" under the "Fox" on your Badger covers? The "Fox" probably also has an underline coming off the "X". The most dubious edit I made was probably to {{P|BDGRSNS73|name=Supernatural Stories Number 73}} which has a slightly different signature to my eyes, see [http://www.peltorro.com/sn073.jpg here]. But I'm working from secondary sources so a good Primary re-check would be good. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date to verified ==<br />
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I added a printing date to your verified THE TOMBS OF ATUAN (THTMBSFTNS1980). from a later printing.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarians of Mars ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added the artist J. Cawthorn to your verified ''{{p|123151|name=Barbarians of Mars}}''. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 06:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Ground Zero Man ==<br />
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Added $AUS & $NZ prices to {{P|GRNDZM1971A}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG01136] . My copy matches yours except the copyright pages says "First Pocket Books printing December 1984". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 22:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Hi, Mike! Just did a Currey and Transient on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} and there is a signature on the bottom left corner of the cover (not Powers') but I can't quite make it out. Maybe you can recognize it?--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling-cover artist not Vaughn Andrews ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THTLLNG2000] . My copy matches your verification. This is the cover. [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DAS01XMPL.jpg] . In checking the backcover inner flap I found this in my copy. Jacket art (figures) copyright Hulton-Deutsch Collection / CORBIS (over) Jacket design by Vaughn Andrews. As I understand it, Andrews was not the cover artist. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 23:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Pan edition of Case and the Dreamer ==<br />
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Locus #199 (February 1977) gives a January 1977 publication for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CSNDTHDRMR1974 your verified edition] of this title. Does your copy show a publication date or the copyright date of 1974? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I own the same edition I believe (that's my cover, with the sticker damage). The copyright page only gives copyright date of 1974, no clear printing date. It's also erroneous in that it gives "Case and the Dreamer"'s original printing as Galaxy January 1972 rather than 1973. I'm happy to move this to 1977-01-00 if the rest of you are. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::That was one of the very first verifications and Mike hasn't been active here in over a year, so I think it's safe to correct the record and take over the verification. I believe that Mike is still active on Wikipedia, so if you want to be 110% sure, you can drop him a note there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barefoot in the Head ==<br />
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Added some prices and a note about no credited artist to your verified pub {{P|BRFTNTHHDQ1974}}. Mant of the verifiers have said they don't need to have a note if all I am adding is various prices. Please let me know your preferences. Thanks & cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 17:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THGHTMNTHR1975}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THMLCTPSTS1978}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Dialogue With Darkness ==<br />
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Added some notes to your verified pub {{P|DLGWDRK1985}} re: first printing, CDN ISBN shown as well, $C price. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie 2 ==<br />
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Massaged the notes of {{P|STRPRNCCHR1976}} as, with a small magnifying lens, the signature is quite legible. Not sure if all or part of the original notes were yours or DCarson's. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Do note that two sections of a talk page with the same title (e.g. "Star Prince Charlie") will misdirect those of us checking Recent Changes. It's always good to make the section name unique. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Wasn't aware of that! I haven't checked previous contents of a talk page before, but now I will. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Manifold: Origin ==<br />
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Added some notes to {{P|MNFLDRGN2003}} about first PB edition and printing; no artist; $c price and that there is an excerpt in the back. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile/ Mankind.... ==<br />
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Added the two interior artworks (both by Gaughan) to the contents of {{P|PLNTXLE1966}} with notes and some for cover statements, page counts, etc. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roccanon's World/Kar-chee Reign ==<br />
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One of the two interior art pieces (Kar-Chee half) has Gaughan's "JG" on it. {{P|RCNNNSW1966}} Amended the notes. Also added Wolheim's introduction to Rocannon's world to the contents. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mars Monopoly/The Man Who Lived Forever ==<br />
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Added cover images and some notes to {{P|TMNWLF1956}}. ~BIll, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Found Powers' signature on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} (''rmpowers'') on the bottom left corner of the front cover. Added that to the field and amended the notes. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added a cover to your verified {{p|7202|City of Illusions}}. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 03:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Four Ways to Forgiveness ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|FRWYSTFRG1995}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling [2]==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THTLLNG2000}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orphan Star-added cover image/notation ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPHNSTRGXG1977]. I added the cover image and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 01:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Flinx in Flux- added cover/notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG03465]. I added the cover as per my copy compared to your ver. I added notation and deleted map to change it to "The Blight"(space map)(Flinx in Flux). I took the titling from the upper left corner, which explains the extent under the title. Note the two current space empires appear below it. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Bloodhype-- added cvoer image/ notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLDHPBTQRR1978]. I added the cover image as per my copy's match of your ver and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Plus the note "Stated 3rd printing of March 1973 Del Rey edition." was expanded. Approved. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 21:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing Planes ==<br />
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Added notes and the interior illustrations to {{P|CHNGNGPLNS2003}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Eye of the Heron ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THYFTHHRN1983}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 pub] appears to be an amalgamation of two different pubs: the Wallaby trade paperback first edition and the Tor paperback edition, both of which are already in the database. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THLFTHNDFD1976 THLFTHNDFD1976]. Stumbled across it while looking for one for my later printing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Midworld ==<br />
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Added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDWRLDFFCD1976 MDWRLDFFCD1976] that matches my copy of the same 1st edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Content titles in Mission to Moulokin ==<br />
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Hi. I added my 1st printing ''Mission to Moulokin'' by cloning your {{P|MSSNTMLKNX1979}} 2nd printing entry. I noticed that the bare "About the Author" and "Map" content titles don't conform to the current practice of embedding the containing work title parenthetically. Of course, there's also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Titles_for_Maps_as_Content this discussion] about titling maps, but be that as it may.... I was thinking that while I noticed it I would change the title records. If I understand correctly, I would edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268211 About the Author] title and this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268201 Map] title. And then since I don't know how it all ties together, I'd go check the pubs with content using those titles and verify that the change was reflected in them. :-)<br />
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Do you agree, and, if so, is the above the right way to go about it? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul ==<br />
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I added coverart and some notes on your verified pub {{P|BKTG05433}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 17:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I added Wilson McLean as coverartist (credited on the copyrightpage). Thanks [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge ==<br />
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I added a cover image and notes to your verified pub {{P|THGLDNBRGF1979}}--[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 02:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions -- notes and interiorart ==<br />
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I added a Jack Gaughan INTERIORART credit and some notes to your verfied {{P|CTYLLSNS1967}} based on my copy of the same edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Other Wind ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|OTHRWND2001}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|WZRDFRTHSR0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Wind's Twelve Quarters ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|THWNDSTWLV0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to user rights ==<br />
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Just to let you know that there was a discussion of the best way to handle inactive moderators over on [[ISFDB talk:Policy]]. The executive summary of the discussion is that a moderator who hasn't been active for a over a year will have a hard time keeping up with all the policy and software changes that we have been going through. [[ISFDB:Policy]] has been updated accordingly and, since you haven't been active since mid-2007, I have turned your "moderator" flag off, so when you come back, you won't be able to approve submissions. No need to panic, though :) as we have a list of [[Moderator Qualifications]] and you can reclaim the ability to approve submissions once you go through the process. Hope to see you again when you have time for the ISFDB! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in the Far Future / Tales of Outer Space (Ace Double D-73) ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|ADVFFTOS1954}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|BFFLGLSNDT1990}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's Always Coming Home ==<br />
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Are you certain about the date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LWYSCH1985 this pb edition] of the title? That is very close to the hardcover edition, and before the UK edition. There is a record almost identical dated January 1987. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 17:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars [2]==<br />
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Added cover images to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WRRRSFMRSL1965 this]] and the other two Compact pub records. The price is clear in the image if you want to adjust the notes. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Sundered Worlds ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDRDWRL1965]]--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, October 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover photo to your verified pub: {{P|FANTUNIVOCT1956}} -- [[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 09:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - August 1958 - Cover ==<br />
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I Added a cover image to you pub {{P|FANTUNIVAUG1958}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - Cover Photos ==<br />
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I added covers to your verified pubs: {{P|FANTUNIVAUGSEP1953}} {{P|FANTUNIVJUL1954}} {{P|FANTUNIVJAN1959}} --[[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 18:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Touch of Strange'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/ciu/5d/ac/9b54012912a0480bb0702210.L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|TCHFSTRNGZ1978|A Touch of Strange}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash - Publication Month ==<br />
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I identified the month of publication for {{P|PLNTXLE1966|Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash}} as October based on the information in the third printing of {{P|PLNTFXLNJZ1973|Planet of Exile}}. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 04:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape - replaced cover image ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37543]. I matched your ver and found the image url broken. I replaced it matching my copy. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?EPLBSU1956] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyond Fantasy Fiction #9 -- Queen's Mate questions ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|BEYONDF91954|Beyond Fantasy Fiction, # 9 1954}} is a Jean M. Janis shortstory, {{T|81609|Queen's Mate}}, and on the same page an inteview by Ashman, also titled {{T|236851|Queen's Mate}}. Is this correct, and, if so, what author is the subject of the interview, Janis? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Never mind. I found a scan and know it should be INTERIORART instead of INTERVIEW. I will submit a change. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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I added a cover image to your verified pub {{P|BKTG01136}}. I also changed the publication date from 11/84 to 12/84 as is listed on the copyright page. If you have additional information that indicates the earlier publication, let me know and I'll change it back. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 01:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added the roman numberd pages and the introductory essays to your verified pub {{P|THBRKNSWRD1971}}. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 04:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THWRDFRWRL1976] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ace Double D-162 [2]==<br />
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Added artist credits for both covers courtesy of the ACE Image Library to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== U. F. O. 517 ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:FWSSZLBBFG1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== What Entropy Means to Me ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WHTNTRPMNS0000.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89801 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 12:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:CCHLTFMVBL1980.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Medusa's Children - added cover image/start page number ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDSCHL1980]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LUIB9NV8L.jpg], and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 12:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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Added a cover image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Catalog ID ==<br />
I've uniformated this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFCFXVTGJ1960 CatalogID]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== M. D'Antona ==<br />
The cover of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLCKBSSXBN1960 publication] is not credited, but the artist is M. D'Antona: see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RMNZDRNNCG1959 Urania #213]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:06, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Badger Books ==<br />
I've modified for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSTRNGNSP1963 publication] the publisher in '''Badger''' to make uniform the publisher.--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 07:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified the title of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105991 publication] as ''Out of This World: Supernatural Stories, No. 15'' and added a cover--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106001 SN38]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106151 SN46]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THGLDNCHLC1961 SN50]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 19:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106171 SN60]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month and cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106181 SN66]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 13:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106191 SN70]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106201 SN73]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106231 SN98]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 22:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, artist at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106241 SN102]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BDGRSNS105 SN105]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Volteface'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YD0OLhh-L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|VLTFCXZQJV1977|Volteface}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Bull and the Spear ==<br />
I added the cover artist to your verified pub {{P|THBLLNDTHS1975}} after having verified it at [http://www.multiverse.org/imagehive/v/bookcovers/books/mikebooks/tbats/ this] site. I noted my source and added the non UK pricing while I was in there. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Fireclown ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THFRCLWNHQ1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122431 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Searoad ==<br />
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Added an image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SEARD1991 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 02:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rainbow Abyss ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|1314781|The Rainbow Abyss}}. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 08:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Equator ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?QTRNDSGRGT1973 Equator] but the copyright page of my book states "first nel paperback edition june 1973" and below "Reprinted june 1973", two printing for the same month ? Do you think I must create a new publication ? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Helliconia spring ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HLLCNSPRNC1983 Equator] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Report on probability A ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPRTNPRBBL1973 Report on probability A] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The corridors of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCRRDRSFT1975] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mirkheim ==<br />
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I also have a 1986 version of this book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MRKHMWJPVD1986 here] but the price is £ 2.50 and it is stated "reprinted 1983,1986 (twice)" on copyright page, which suggests a fourth printing overall. Can you verify your copy so that i can eventually add this printing. BTW, the artist if Peter Elson (see PE on the ship bottom left). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== No world of their own ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NOWORLD1962 here] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== For Love of Mother-Not ==<br />
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Added cover for {{P|14161|For Love of Mother-Not}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 04:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of Time - artist added/confirmed/notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]. I added Bruce Pennington as artist after confirmation in "Ultraterranium" by Bruce Penningtion, page 20. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Dec 1959 - added cover/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVDEC1959]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LI6PZ39BL.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Mar 60 - added cover image/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVMAR1960]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515BPYUeu5L.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two", page 68. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Incorporated Knight ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|107861|The Incorporated Knight}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 19:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THBRKNSWRD1971 The Broken Sword] to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?26 Ballantine Adult Fantasy] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:23, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LFTHNDDRKNSS1969 The Left Hand of Darkness]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDRTHS1970 A Wizard of Earthsea]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 One Million Tomorrows]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1 Ace Double] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 04:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I added an interior art credit for Tschirky to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WTS1948 verified pub]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== cover for ''Gloriana'' ==<br />
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[[User:Dsorgen|Dsorgen]] has added a cover to your verified {{P|128191|Gloriana}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:31, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Norton Book of Science Fiction: North American Science Fiction, 1960-1990 ==<br />
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Add a cover image and a note on the printing line to {{P|NRTNBKSF19XX|your verified pub}}. Thanks. --[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 14:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Note on "Eye of the Heron" ==<br />
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I added a note to your verified pub {{P|THYFTHHRN1983|Eye of the Heron}} that the artist's signature is on the front cover. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals, by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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The anthology [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39287 Buffalo Gals] has 5 different verified editions. Three of those include a content listing for "Come Into Animal Presence", poem by Denise Levertov, on p. 14. Two publications, including [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BFFLGLSNDT1990 your verified] edition does not include that content listing. Could you check your copy to see if that belongs in there? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's there; page 14. Sorry I missed it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I think the original TOC must have been pulled from Locus (or somewhere), and they missed it, since three versions (2 verified and 1 unverified) had that item omitted. I've added that poem to this collection, and the other two have been updated similarly. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover for Tehanu ==<br />
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[[User:Bgibbard|Bgibbard]] has added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/2/21/THLSTB1990.jpg this cover] to your verified {{P|1530114|Tehanu}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka! ==<br />
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There appears to be two records for the same pub, and they've been verified by two different editors. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 Yours] is dated 1983, and I'm pretty sure the mass-market edition wasn't published until 1984. It also gives the publisher as Wallaby, who only published the trade paperback edition. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKA1985 other verified record] has the same ISBN, price and page count as the record you verified. Can you check them out when you get a chance? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow on Heaven ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128501 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Tales from Earthsea'' ==<br />
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I've added a cover image, from Amazon, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34251 verified copy] of this edition. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Among Out Contributors" ==<br />
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Hi, I assume this should be "Our" instead of "Out" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?224941 here] [[User:Jonschaper|Jonschaper]] 01:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Virgin Planet (Mayflower-Dell 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I've found a scan saying the price is 3/6 on [http://www.sfreviews.com/displays/Poul%20Anderson_1959_Virgin%20Planet.htm SF Reviews].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I added the price and the scan I used for the price. You remark in the note field coul;d therefore be dropped.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compass Rose'', by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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In keeping with what has become the current standard, I've updated the page count in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 verified copy] of this publication from "271" to "xii+271". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== More than Human ==<br />
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Hi, I've made {{P|94731|More than Human}} part of the ''Corgi SF Collector's Library'' series. I also added the ISBN number.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Treshold ==<br />
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Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|101341|Treshold (Panther, 1982)}} into Panther / Granada on account of the name Granada being the sole publisher named on the cover (to be more exact: on the spine) and also being named on the title page (as was already stated in the notes). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:15, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a coverscan and notes (there weren't any) for {{P|112391|Enemies of the System (Triad Panther, 1980)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:And he also added a cover scan and note to your verified {{P|112491|Last Orders}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I've also changed the complete title to "Enemies of the System: A Tale of Homo Uniformis" to reflect the information given on the title page. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Starswarm ==<br />
Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|107201|Starswarm (1985)}} from Panther Books - imprint of Granada into Panther / Granada, added a coverscan and elaborated the notes, especially about the confusing mentioning of publisher names on this book (Grafton, Panther and Granada al being mentioned at some place). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a scan for {{P|131151|A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows (Sphere, 1984)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness Ursula K. Le Guin 1983 ==<br />
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Could you check a cover from this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100971 pub]? I think it may be the same cover from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189029 1st] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?119161 3rd] editions by Tim White. [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 16:05, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Quest for Tanelorn ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128231 The Quest for Tanelorn] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 23:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Phoenix in Obsidian ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128121 Phoenix in Obsidian] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 00:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency ==<br />
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Hi, I have submitted cover and artist for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10224 pub]. --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 20:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Ursula K. Le Guin cover images ==<br />
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I've added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100861 Eye of the Heron] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 The Compass Rose]. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Word for World Is Forest", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the cover artist for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100801 verified publication], based on the "Powers" signature at the bottom right corner, and the identification of this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Powers_LAZ_org.jpg signature] in our collection of artists' signatures. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I have added all the notes to {{P|2325|Always Coming Home}}. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 19:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, April 1956 ==<br />
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I linked to a cover scan for the April 1956 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89730 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, May 1954 ==<br />
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I've linked to a cover image for the May 1954 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89681 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:20, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== DAW Collectors publication series ==<br />
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In filling out the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1544 DAW Collectors Books] publication series, I have a question about a book that you verified. C. J. Cherryh's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?195933 Fires of Azeroth], 3rd printing, has a note with the "DAW Collector's Number". Since many reprint editions didn't actually list this number, I was hoping you could tell me whether this note was "inherited" from other editions of the book, or whether it actually appears on this edition of the book, and if so, where -- e.g. on the cover, the spine, or the copyright page. Thanks much, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Added additional international prices ==<br />
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I added the other prices to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116591][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25131][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Unlocking the Air and Other Stories ==<br />
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Expanded the notes for {{P|52881|Unlocking the Air and Other Stories}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Malacia Tapestry by Brian W. Aldiss ==<br />
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Only chimera was used for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115621 this] cover from art by Peter Goodfellow (from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401733 The Flights of Icarus]). [[User:BarDenis|Denis]] 20:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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Added scan and notes for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93991 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Lathe of Heaven ==<br />
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Added cover image and notes to {{P|100821|this pub}}. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 17:07, 1 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Solomon Leviathan", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a cover image, and a couple of minor notes, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101371 verified copy] of this publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist for "The Dispossessed" (first printing of Gollancz SF Masterwork edition) ==<br />
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Hi. You did a Locus1 verification of {{P|109841|this pub}}, which is why I am contacting you. I believe the pub you verified has the wrong cover artist (Jim Burns), and I would like to fix this. Some background: I own a {{P|404674|3rd printing}} of the book where Chris Moore is credited as the cover artist. Rtrace owns a {{P|289330|6th printing}} of the book where Jim Burns is credited. In addition, Locus1 ([http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/b27.htm#A859 current link]) has a credit for Chris Moore for the first printing. This leads me to believe that the first few printings of the book miscredited the cover art (to Chris Moore), and that the publisher fixed the credit in either the 4th, 5th or (at the latest) the 6th printing. I propose the following changes to the first printing you verified (and will implement them if you agree):<br />
* Set the cover artist to "Chris Moore". Even though we know the attribution is probably false, it is the name that appears in Locus1, and thus probably also on the physical book<br />
* Add a note to the pub record (similar to the one in my verified pub) that explains the situation to future editors<br />
* Unrelated, but while I am already editing the pub record: Remove the "volume 16" note, since nowadays the publication series is recorded in a dedicated field<br />
Sorry for being so verbose, I didn't know how to explain this in less words. What do you think about the proposal? Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 15:06, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Unbound ==<br />
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I believe that {{P|358878|this pub}} is the exact same printing as {{P|115631|this pub}} that you PV'ed, and that the two records could therefore be merged. To confirm (or disprove) my theory, could you please have a look at the copyright page of your book and check the printing history that you find there? For comparison, in my book it says<br />
* Published by Triad/Panther Books 1982<br />
* Reprinted 1985<br />
I am not sure how Panther records same-year reprints, but I believe it is rather unlikely that they made two reprints of that book in 1985. Thanks for your time, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- yes, the copyright page matches exactly, so I think you're right. Re The Dispossessed above: I would suggest you go ahead on the basis of your judgement. I don't have that edition, and have no memory of whatever I did to do the verification via Locus. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Sorry for this (very) late follow-up, but I still had this "Frankenstein Unbound" issue on my TODO list from 1.5 years ago. I notice that your verified pub is still around - if you're still willing to go through with this, then I think the simplest way to do it would be for you 1) to delete the pub record that you PV'ed, then 2) to just add yourself to the list of primary verifiers on the other pub. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a couple of notes to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101081 verified publication], i.e. everything after the first note. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 09:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 Cachalot]<br /><br />
Clarifying no number line in notes, adding LCCN from copyright page. Notifying all verifiers.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 14:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Terry Pratchett's Hogfather ==<br />
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Is [[http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514xkYhoiTL.jpg this link]] the cover for {{P|108081|your copy of Hogfather}}? I also have the 11th printing, same ISBN, and that is the cover on mine. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 23:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, that's the same cover as on mine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:20, 12 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, I have added it to the publication. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I would also like to make the following changes/additions: change Pages from 354 to 354+{16} to include unnumbered pages at the end, change page for The World of Terry Pratchett from 355 to [355] to indicate it is un-numbered, add note that cover artist is not credited in book. Is that OK? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I count ten leaves after 354 in my copy; the last two are just advertising, so perhaps you're not counting them? The other changes are fine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I thought it was ISBDB policy not to count the ads in the back of books, but now that I look at the [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] I don't see that. Not sure what is "standard." I was just counting the pages that have "The World of Terry Pratchett" on them. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I think I wrote the first draft of that help page, six or seven years ago; I have no memory of any discussion on that point. How about asking at the community portal to see what others do? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I was thinking of the "contents" area, where we definitely do not include ads. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 21:55, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Language of the Night ==<br />
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I see you did a Locus1 verification of the first US revised edition of {P|42684|The Language of the Night.} Did Locus1 give the publication date as 1992-05-00? My copy in hand has only one indication of the publication month, which is a small code of "0692P" on the inside flap of the front cover. I'm thinking I should note the discrepancy in the Notes. Amazon.com says 1992-05-00 for the date, too, but I don't know how reliable that is. Can't find any info on HarperCollins website (too long ago, no doubt). [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 00:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, haven't really been active here for years, so whatever verification I did I have no memory of. I do have a copy of Language of the Night but don't recall which edition it is; I can pull it and take a look if you like. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, more interested in seeing the Locus1 information -- or is that available on-line somewhere? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::OK, found it on-line [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b291.htm#TOP Locus1] but now I am not sure how to interpret what I see. The line for this book says " +The Language of the Night: Essays on Fantasy and Science Fiction (HarperCollins 0-06-016835-8, May ’92 [Jun ’92], $20.00, 250pp, hc, cover by Steve McLeod) Non-fiction collection of 24 essays and other non-fiction pieces about fantasy and sf, with introductions to each section. This edition has been extensively revised by the author; the original was published by Putnam in 1979 and edited by the late Susan Wood. First American edition of the revised edition (Women’s Press 1989)."<br />
::So, what do I make of the "May ’92 [Jun ’92]" business? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:20, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::That's also something that someone at the Community Portal might know. My best guess would be that the two dates are the official publication date and the date the book actually first appeared; they're certainly not always the same. I remember seeing a 1998 copyright book on a station bookstall in late December 1997. I don't know which would be which, though the later one is more likely to be the official one. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 03:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::The date in brackets is given as being [Date first seen] in the physical copies of the Bronw/Contento indexes. For me, when this date is only slightly later than the Publication Date, it doesn't have any bibliographic meaning(only that Locus' mail was peraphs delayed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Diana Wynne Jones' ''Changeover'' ==<br />
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When a work such as this one is borderline, we tend to err on the side of inclusion. I've added a description to the title record which would lend credence to the work being speculative fiction, but perhaps not science fiction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:OK. Thanks for the note. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe ==<br />
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Hello, have added covers (from galactic central) for several of your verified issues of "Fantastic Universe". Thank you. [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]] 00:23, 14 February 2013 (UTC).<br />
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== The Garden on the Moon ==<br />
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Hello, I accepted your submission. There are a few open questions left, however: 1) Well, the English translation is from 1965, so the date for the introduction should be also 1965 (we handle translations as substantially different texts). 2) Maybe it'd be better to rename the Introduction as 'Introduction (Garden on the Moon)'. As at this point we only have one Introduction by Boulle, but it seems possible if not likely that there will be others (and we differentiate same titles by giving the information in parenthesis). 3)If it's really 'The Garden on the Moon' and not 'Garden on the Moon' this would really have to be made into yet another variant title. Do you already know how to unmerge and variant? Thanks for your submissions anyway! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's really "The Garden on the Moon" on the title page. I used to know how to unmerge and variant, but have forgotten. Looking at the help pages it seems the first step is an unmerge while displaying the parent title, so I'll submit that to start with. Thanks for the other fixes. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted the submission to unmerge the UK edition, and because I was aware of what you were doing, went ahead and made it into a variant of the original French title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:35, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I went ahead and verified it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dancer from Atlantis ==<br />
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Hello, I've added some notes and replaced the amazon scan for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116611 here], I've also changed the price from £0.70 to £0.75 as per my copy. Can you have a look at yours to see if it's correct? Thanks. Hervé [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1957 ==<br />
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Hello, I added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89770 this magazine] for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chris_DeVito Chris DeVito]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Intruders'' ==<br />
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Added to the Note for Fane/Fanthorpe's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105791 ''The Intruders''], re the availability of a facsimile PDF of this edition. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 01:54, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Also [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106221 ''Unknown Destiny'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:00, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 ''U.F.O. 517'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The High Crusade ==<br />
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Hello, the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41493 this] publication is Jack Faragasso, see [http://www.faragassoart.com/book/id20.html faragassoart.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959'' ==<br />
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A cover image has been added to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959''] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?95241 ''Fantastic Universe, March 1959'']. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== About the Author (The Tombs of Atuan) ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:MartyD#The Tombs of Atuan|this discussion]] regarding the {{T|228421|About the Author}} which appears in your verified {{P|101011|The Tombs of Atuan}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Earth Book of Stormgate One ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with scan of verified copy here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118521 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 10:44, 13 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon image with a scan of my verified copy http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 12:51, 15 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, March 1958 ==<br />
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Have added a a cover scan of my verified copy to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?91931 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 11:04, 7 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, September 1959 ==<br />
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Have added a note regarding Miller-Contento listing to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds ==<br />
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Have replaced the Amazon link with a scan of my verified copy in The Rebel Worlds http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 14:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Generic" content titles ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome back. You might want to edit the notice at the top of this page....<br />
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I don't know if it's a change, but current practice for generic (I think the help calls them "standard") content titles, such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Preface", etc. -- just about anything you could easily imagine appearing in other publications over completely different text -- is to disambiguate them by including the publication's title in parentheses, at the end. I did this to "Preface", "About the Editor", and "Notes on the Authors" in {{P|257517|I Shudder at Your Touch}}. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Makes sense; I recall that now. It's been a while! I'm selling a few hundred of my books and thought I'd do some verifications and updates on anything not yet verified before they leave my hands. I'll make sure I do that from now on. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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== ''Snow White, Blood Red'' ==<br />
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A couple of questions/comments about {{P|173951|Snow White, Blood Red}}. I accepted the submissions, but:<br />
* Should the "Ellen Datlow" piece at the end be ESSAY instead of SHORTFICTION? I'm guessing it's a bio?<br />
* With the page count as you've supplied it, I think the pieces on p. 412 and beyond should have their page numbers in brackets per [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Page]].<br />
* See my previous note about disambiguating content titles. I'd consider that for "Recommended Reading", and it might be appropriate for the two author bios.<br />
Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Got it. Will go do that now; thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:15, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Clipper of the Clouds'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437545 this publication], but changed the publisher to "Scottie Books" to match the current publisher in ISFDB records. (If that's not correct, please change it back.) A question: what is on the 2 unnumbered pages at the end of the book? Unless there is significant text, such as the last two pages of the novel are unnumbered, or there's an afterword, etc., then recording them in the page count isn't usually done. We don't record pages that include advertising or catalog lists, a usual practice for paperbacks. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for the [6] pages added to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268941 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:27, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing data fields of primary verified records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to discuss changes in the data fields of primary verified records with the editor who verified it. I'm holding your submission to add [5] pages to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250308 this record]. Is there significant text on these pages? Otherwise, I'm certain the verifier would have included them in the original record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I knew that rule, so I apologize; I should have asked the verifier. There is no significant text on those pages, so I'd guess that the verifier simply ignored them. I take it that that's standard practice, then? Even if there are clearly unnumbered pages before or after the main text block, one doesn't indicate that with "[n]" unless there are content entries to be made from those pages? The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages help text] doesn't specify, so I wasn't sure. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
::And I now see you've answered my question above. OK if I change the help text to say that? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Before making changes to help documentation, you should post a message on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions ISFDB:Rules and Standards discussions] page. If there is no objection, and no debate is generated within a couple of days or so, feel free to update the documentation. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I made a couple of other edits recently to the help text and will add links to those there too so they can be discussed. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Airmont edition of ''Round the Moon'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295411 this record]. The price would indicate that it was published several years after the original 1969 printing, probably circa 1980. (Look at the prices of other printings from this publisher.) Airmont sometimes indicates the printing date as a code on the last page or so of text. Perhaps your copy has such a printing code? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There's a "3-77" at the foot of the last page; is that a date? It's perfect bound so doesn't appear to be a signature identifier. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's the printing code. You can update the record and provide the source for the date in the Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Done. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Assassin's Apprentice'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437604 this record], but it wasn't sourced. I assumed you're working from a copy but didn't indicate that with the proper bullet (the default indicates that you would be providing your source in the Note field, but it's not there.) Also, if you include the excerpt from the end of the book as a content record, then the page count field should indicate that as well. Fifteen unnumbered pages would be entered as "435+[15]". It seems that none of the ISFDB records for other printings of this edition have the correct page count either. (Don't know how they got through moderation, and one of them is primary verified by a moderator. Oh, well.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:17, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437605 this record] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437606 this one]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Ouch. I knew that. Sorry, was careless there. Unfortunately I can't do an accurate page count now because I had to ship the books to a buyer. The 15 page addendum starts on 439 so goes through 453, but I don't recall if that's the last unnumbered page or if there were more blank pages after that. What's the best thing to do now? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:08, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Since you stated in the notes that the excerpt was 15 pages long, there's no need to record any of the blank pages or pages of advertising. So "435+[15]" should be fine. It doesn't matter what page it started on. The page count field gives the page count, not the pagination, which is a whole kettle of fish that we don't deal with here. A "stick-up-the-ass" bibliographer would give the pagination, for example as "[1-8],9-435,[436-438:blank],[439-453],[454-462:blank]". You can see now why we just give a simplified page count! Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Howard's ''Almuric'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that there is no ISBN stated in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179857 this publication]? I thought that by 1971, NEL had already started using them. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There is an ISBN; I missed it -- it's just a string of digits at the bottom of the page with no explanation. I'll add it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:31, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::And thanks for doing the followup edits on the titlemerges, by the way! I appreciate it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem at all. It's a lot easier for a moderator to do it, and I keep my eye out for such followup edits. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Binding/format for ''Time Must Have a Stop'' ==<br />
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This {{P|439319|Time Must Have a Stop}} addition came through with a binding/format of "unknown". I'm guessing you do know? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Oops; careless of me. Yes; fixed. I also added a note indicating that this is definitely not a first edition. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== 16th Pocket ''Contact'' ==<br />
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I believe your proposed 16th Pocket printing of ''Contact'' is a duplicate of {{P|289704|this}}, unless you meant a number other than 16. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:It must be; can't tell because I packed and shipped it. I thought I searched those pubs for a 16th printing but I guess I missed it -- thanks for catching that. And sorry for the slow response; I'm selling my house so things are a bit frantic. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. Good luck! I rejected the clone and moved the note about Canada price and the new content / page numbers to the existing entry. I'll leave Ron a note about the changes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover image ==<br />
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... by a user to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89710 this magazine]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Conan from Sphere ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437790 About this record] I have a quick question. I see the ISBN you've listed for the book on the back cover, but a different ISBN inside on the title page (0722146914) from a previous printing. I believe that they did not update the ISBN when they reprinted the book. I plan to add a note to the record if that's ok with you. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 14:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== I add the other prices to the verified ==<br />
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I add the other prices to the verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 22:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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Hi. I added a cover scan and some notes (9-digit ISBN, overseas prices) to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101251 your verified]. Furthermore, I think the writer's name should be recorded as Ursula K. LeGuin (in one word), and varianted to the canonical one, as it is spelt thus on both cover and title page. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:13, 12 May 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Tales of the White Hart ==<br />
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Added some notes and a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?90571 your verified]. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 09:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
:Added artist's name (Peter Goodfellow) from previous editions. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Edward Valigursky ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Ed(ward) Valigursky|this discussion]] regarding covers by Edward Valigursky. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fire Time ==<br />
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Hi, I have found the cover artist for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118841 Fire Time]. It is Colin Hay, see [http://www.chameleon-arts.com/colin-hay/jackets-10.html here].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 13:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Rebound, redux ==<br />
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This is just to ping you that I replied to an old discussion we had [[#Frankenstein_Unbound|further up on this talk page]]. Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow of Heaven ==<br />
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Hi. I think there is a typo in your verified {{P|128501}} where the Australian price should be 80c instead of 60c. Do you have any objections to me making that change? Many thanks. --[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 15:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Bloodhype'' ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon image of Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108291 ''Bloodhype''] with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 14:00, 2 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1956 ==<br />
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Mike: Downloaded an image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89722 Fantastic Universe, January 1956]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Ditto for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89749 Fantastic Universe, June 1956]. As a sidebar, this may have been the first science fiction digest that I ever read, way back in '71 or '72. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Unlocking the Air", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I made a couple of minor edits to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52881 verified publication]: I added an "ix+" to the page count; added a note giving the title of the Paul Klee painting on the cover; and added the LCCN. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher for "Fantastic Universe" ==<br />
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We have 63 issues of "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18631 Fantastic Universe] entered, all of which have been verified. Of those, 62 have been verified with the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6775 King-Size Publications], and one verified by you with a publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93401 King-Size Publishers]. Could you check whether that one odd issue was really entered correctly? Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Deep Fix - Colvin ==<br />
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Replaced cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38232 this book] with a better scan from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge (Savoy) ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128371 this book] with one that includes the rear and also added other prices to notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin - Threshold ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101341 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Condition of Muzak ==<br />
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Added cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125951 this book] and just wanted to check. My copy dated August 1980 has the price £1.50 printed above a small back rectangular box (preumably hiding the original price). I'll make a note of that but could you let me know please. Thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Elric of Melniboné ==<br />
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Added full wraparound cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128261 this book] and other prices. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Rituals of Infinity ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128321 this book] is by Geoff Taylor from his website [http://www.geofftaylor-artist.com/galleries/cover-art/art/rituals-infinity here]. Record amended accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:24, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Queen of the Swords ==<br />
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Added cover scan taken from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125921 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Runestaff ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 this book] with one from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Sleeping Sorceress ==<br />
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Added cover art scanned from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:04, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 thids book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Vertigo ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127311 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:36, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the interior art illustrator to the contents of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101401 verified publication], as credited on the copyright page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Added two additional cover prices to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?112391<i>Enemies of the System</I>] from back cover of my copy. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 17:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Taran Wanderer ==<br />
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I added the (real) Jody Lee cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115891 Taran Wanderer], which you verified... [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 07:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds - additional Pub Notes ==<br />
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Verifying my edition of your PV1'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841<i>The Rebel Worlds</I>], I added a couple of Pub Notes with some extra publication history, and additional pricing. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 15:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Colony - pub notes ==<br />
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Hi, I added a pub note and slightly re-arranged a couple of others on your PV of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437868 <I>Colony</i>], [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 19:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Unforsaken Hiero - pub notes ==<br />
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I've added pub notes on pub history, cover artist credit and pricing to your P(T)'d [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278994<i>The Unforsaken Hiero</I>], and amended the 'Publisher' field in the metadata to show what's on the title and copyright pages. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 12:00, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dispossessed - special overseas edition? ==<br />
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Hi, I have a rather tatty ?th-hand 1975 Panther/Granada pb copy of <I>The Dispossessed</I>, but really need to check one detail before doing an additional verification of the copy it otherwise matches, your PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101351 edition]. Could you let me know how your copy's copyright page compares with what's in mine? It reads as follows from the top:<br />
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:Granada Publishing Limited<br />
:Special overseas edition published in 1975 by Panther Books Ltd<br />
:[...address details...]<br />
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:First published in Great Britain by<br />
:Victor Gollancz Ltd 1974<br />
:Copyright © Ursula Le Guin 1974<br />
:[...printers details...]<br />
:[...legal warnings etc...]<br />
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If yours doesn't have the 'Special overseas edition...' line, then I imagine I can submit a New or Clone Pub submission. Thanks, [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 07:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- I'm no longer here much, but I stopped by for another purpose. I may eventually be able to pull this out of a box, but it'll be a while; I suggest you go ahead on the assumption I won't be able to look at this any time soon. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:09, 14 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover image to your verified {{P|89769|Fantastic Universe, December 1956}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:51, 31 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Night in Toyland ==<br />
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Have replaced the cover scan for our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8897 Dark Night in Toyland] with one that does not include a white background/border. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 22:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Cover artist Colin Hay of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100891 this] is credited on pages 80 and 96 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362758+f this] art book. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 09:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover for ''Fantastic Universe, June-July 1953'' ==<br />
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[[User talk:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] has added a cover image to your verified {{P|88195|Fantastic Universe, June-July 1953}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mandrake ==<br />
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Hi, Mike. I've put a hold on the update to the record as the month is from the Penguin website. I should have added the link when I did the secondary verifications but have now done so. Don't know if this would change any notes you might add? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I wasn't paying enough attention and didn't see that the attribution to the website would cover the month. No, I think the submission can be cancelled. The only other possible edit would be to put in the text the way I have it since that's what's on the book (including "photographs" rather than "photography", and then clarify that the month is not on the book. I was just correcting the text to match the book. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Black Cauldron ==<br />
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Hi, you verified some Yearling ''The Black Cauldron'' in one undated printing P{{p|115871}}. No cover image but I wonder can you verify that we have the correct illustration --that is, probably, the correct front cover image for your book except for the "Special Low Price $2.69" seal. See Cover {{t|143162}}. <br />
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If the Jody Lee image, probably that title is wrongly dated 1990 by assumption that (Dell) Yearling (Newbery). <br />
Anyway we also have this reported, unverified 1990 Jody Lee cover {{t|1717339}}.<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Five relevant publication records reportedly ISBN tp format (4)<br />
# 10th printing 1999-04 {{p|41503}}, Locus1 only<br />
# 38th printing 1999-03 {{p|157221}}, Locus1 only<br />
# 35th printing {{p|115901}}, you verified, maybe your notes, no cover image<br />
# 48th printing {{p|258147}}, no source, notes apparently by same user<br />
: and ISBN 0-440-22030-0 pb format (1)<br />
:5. Yearling Newbery 1996-06 {{p|41505}}, verified Auric, different cover illustration<br />
: Among them 1, 2, 3, and 5 attribute the cover to Jody Lee, yours with no cover image. <br />
: 1, 2, and 4 show cover images with the same illustration attributed twice to Jody Lee and once to Don Maitz.<br />
: 5 shows a cover with different illustration attributed to Jody Lee; this is the real Jody Lee illustration(?)<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 1 that we attribute twice to Jody Lee T{{t|143244}} and once (by user Taweiss whom I consulted[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#The_Book_of_Three]) to Jean-Leon Huens T{{t|1817072}}<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 2 that we attribute to Jean-Leon Huens T{{t|1092028}}<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 3 that we attribute usually to Don Maitz T{{t|1357212}} and once to Jody Lee {{t|143321}} --you verified one copy as by Jody Lee, without a cover image, presumably because this is not the Lee illustration<br />
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: You note "Cover art uncredited but signed with the same logo used on other editions credited to Jody Lee." I don't know see the logo but I wonder whether it may really be the logo of Jean-Leon Huens, as 'Jean-Leon' is similary to 'Jody Lee'.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:08, 2 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: P.S. I suppose that 5 shows "the real Jody Lee illustration(?)" because of the match in style with covers for ''Castle in the Attic'' and ''Battle for the Castle'' T{{t|1537927}} and T{{t|1537928}} (no logo visible to me), which I fixed last month. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:14, 2 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: I wrote also to TAWeiss who has verified some records of Prydain novels,<br />
::: who at [[User talk:Taweiss#The Book of Three]] now recommends this [http://prydain.wikia.com/wiki/Book_Editions_and_Cover_Illustrations article on Prydain illustrations].<br />
::: I will pursue this another day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:47, 21 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Agent of the Terran Empire ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115971 this] is Bob Fowke, as the same art is on page 54-55 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476572+f Dangerous Frontiers]. Thanks. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 21:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cryptozoic ==<br />
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Added cover image to your verified Cryptozoic. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?111781 Cryptozoic]]Thanks. -- --[[User:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] 22:21, 4 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Norton Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I second verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24518 and uploaded a new scan showing the jacket spine. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 07:48, 12 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, March 1957 ==<br />
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Hi. Added cover image to your Verified {{P|89778|Fantastic Universe, March 1957}}. [[User:Xipetotec|Xipetotec]] 07:07, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Aldiss's ''Starswarm'' ==<br />
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Added overseas cover prices to our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107201 Starswarm]. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 07:06, 7 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile 72' Tandem ==<br />
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Added Peter Goodfellow artist to your verified pub.[[User:Collectible Science Fiction|Collectible Science Fiction]] 18:44, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Venture Science Fiction ==<br />
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Hi Mike. While going through what Venture Science Fiction I have, I noticed that in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104291 May 1969] and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104431 February 1970] issues you have interior art contents with "untitled" as the titles. I understand that the current rules say those should be given the name of the publication title if not specifically meant for a content title. Added the 2nd illo for Plague Ship in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104351 Nov 1969] issue. Added 2 illos and one review as an essay for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104871 May 1970] issue. Added notes to issues May 69 thru August 70. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 00:33, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== What Entropy Means to Me ==<br />
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Hi, I've found the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89801 What Entropy Means to Me]. It is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1615101 Fernando Fernandes].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:52, 13 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in the Far Future / Tales of Outer Space ==<br />
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I added pub month with explanatory pub note to your PV'd http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100991. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101051 Dreams Must Explain Themselves] ==<br />
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Hello, I have added the extra page to the page count and a note on the date of publication.<br />
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I have also some associated questions: <br />
:1) Could you describe the interior art (as I presume that it was previously published in Algol)?<br />
:2) Is the map by John Bush also the one that accompanies the classic novels of Earthsea? (We could finally identify the artist for that one).<br />
Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Change needed to Assassin's Quest? ==<br />
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Hi, I recently verified the {{P|565870|7th printing of Assassin's Quest}} and noticed that the {{P|437606|10th printing}} you verified might need an update. <br />
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1) You used the generic Amazon link for the cover, [[http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0553565699.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg here]], and this has now changed to the new Alejandro Colucci cover which was released in mid-2014. It looks like yours had the {{T|1883503|older Steven Youll cover}}, so the link needs to be updated. Any chance you can get it back to take another look? The cover seems to have remained pretty much the same over the years, except for the part just under the author's name where it says "Author of xxxx." If you need another image, I will be glad to look through the Internet Archive for a link to one.<br />
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2) If you are able to view the book again, does your version also include a map, like the 7th printing? If it does, may I add it to your version?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 06:21, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, I no longer have the book. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:07, 20 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Operation Satellite ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87905 Operation Satellite]. Found it on Amazon. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:20, 17 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Again, cover for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105571 Edge of Eternity]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:41, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::And for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105731 In the Beginning]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:47, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Other Days, Other Eyes ==<br />
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Shouldn't the Publication Price for {{P|128471|Other Days, Other Eyes}} be £0.35 and not £0.30? The Notes has a UK price of 35p which matches my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 11:44, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:My copy is buried; sorry, I can't check. It's quite possible I made a mistake so feel free to correct it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:46, 9 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyond #1 ==<br />
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Added a better cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57845 Beyond #1].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 01:17, 6 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Beyond ==<br />
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Updated the Printing History for {{P|116051|Beyond the Beyond}}. Changed the OCLC to a more exact entry. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 17:42, 29 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Carlton J. Fassbinder vs Carlton J. Fassbeinder ==<br />
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Hi, your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115611 Infinity Science Fiction, November 1957] contains [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?298911 Reflections on Falling Over Backwards in a Swivel Chair] by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?51441 Carlton J. Fassbinder]. Could you please check the spelling of that name? [http://fancyclopedia.org/t-bruce-yerke Fancyclopedia] suggests it is Carlton J. Fassbeinder, which gets verified [https://www.abebooks.com/Bedside-Fassbeinder-Yerke-Bruce-Carlton-Diablorist/1171116606/bd here].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:38, 2 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Krazy Kat / Venture May 1970 ==<br />
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Hi Mike. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Vornoff&redirect=no#Krazy_Kat this conversation] regarding our mutually verified above title. Thanks. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 18:58, 21 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker's Books of Blood: Volume I ==<br />
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Found an image URL for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250860 this pub]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 14:18, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== In the Beginning ==<br />
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Cover artist H. Fox found for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105731 this pub]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:30, 1 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cover added. ==<br />
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Added cover for [Fantastic Universe Nov. 1956 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89763].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 15:18, 15 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Firebird's Vengeance ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70138 -- I added more details to the notes field. [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 05:32, 24 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Agent of Chaos ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?319014 this] is Peter Jones, see [http://peterandrewjones.net/catalog/page2.htm peterandrewjones.net], picture swa213. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 14:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Additional interiorart in Sep 28 1981 Asimov's ==<br />
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An editor added a second Val Lakey interior art piece to the contents of your verified {{P|59281|Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, September 28, 1981}}. I accepted it based on an [https://archive.org/details/Asimovs_v05n10_1981-09-28/page/n155/mode/2up Internet Archive] scan. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:51, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Some Kinds of Life - PKD as by Richard Phillipps ==<br />
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Hi Mike, is there any chance at all that you could check the spelling of 'Phillipps' in your PV {{P|89676|here}}? I suspect that it should be spelled 'Phillips'. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 11:51, 14 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry, I sold that issue earlier this year. I know I marked many verifications as permanent, but I started selling all my magazines last year and plan to keep nothing but the ''Unknown'''s. I took a look in my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?515321 this], and it does say "Phillipps" there too, so I suspect it's correct. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 14:29, 16 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for checking that out for me. I saw that PKD's Wikipedia page also has "Phillipps". I have it as "Phillips" in a PKD reference work, hence my question, so the single 'p' spelling is a typo then :) Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 14:41, 16 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Queen of the Swords ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|125921|The Queen of Swords}} since that cover is used for five other editions of that title. [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 15:37, 24 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Review of Asimov in February 1969 New Worlds ==<br />
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Hi Mike. Could I get you to take a look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?408211 review] of Asimov's ''The Rest of the Robots'' in the February 1969 issue of New Worlds. That review is currently linked to the omnibus [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37675 edition] which includes two novels. An abridged [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25329 edition] was first published in 1966 under the title "Eight Stories from The Rest of the Robots" and omitting the novels. This abridged edition was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2775675 published] in the UK in 1968 by Panther who changed the title back to ''The Rest of the Robots''. Given the date of the review, I suspect that it should be linked to the 1968 title record (2775675) instead of the 1964 omnibus. Could you take a look and see if the review is of the Panther edition? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:57, 22 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Case and the Dreamer ==<br />
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Hi, Simona D'Achille has checked the archives and confirmed by email that her father Gino D'Achille painted the cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93601 this]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 15:55, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Beyond Fantasy Fiction, July 1953 ==<br />
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See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rreett#Beyond_Fantasy_Fiction.2C_July_1953 this conversation] for the changes I approved in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57845 your verified] (based on a scanned copy [https://s3.us-west-1.wasabisys.com/luminist/SF/BFF_1953_07.pdf here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:23, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Just a quick note to let you know I'll likely be updating the illustration info for the whole Beyond Fantasy Fiction series based on the scans available at [https://www.luminist.org/archives/SF/ The Luminist], like I did with the first issue. --[[User:Rreett|Rreett]] 17:07, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hiero's Journey ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?211517 this] is Peter Goodfellow as shown on this webiste [http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/22-sf2 here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:46, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sturgeon - A Touch of Sturgeon ==<br />
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Hello Mike, re your {{P|1302|PV here}}, I'm letting you know I'm adding "Reginald3 states [Edited by David Pringle]" to the notes. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:12, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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You PV'd the following edition: https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25003 I sent this in to moderators: Submitting two web pages (Wikipedia, blog retrospective review) & Goodreads external ID. I met Bob in 1982 while I was living in London. Nice guy. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:45, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ID ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15136; Do any of those credits belong to you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, all of them. Crikey, hadn't seen some of those in a while. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 19:30, 26 September 2023 (EDT)</div>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== A Hand-Drawn Map of New Crobuzon - interior artwork by China Miéville ==<br />
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Hi Ron, I have a 12th printing of the 2011 edition of China's novel Perdido Street Station and I'm trying to sort out all the map references under different titles to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442912 his credited map here]. So I can make sure it's the same map, could you do me a favour and check for me:<br />
:China is definitely credited as the artist.<br />
:"New Crobuzon" appears as the title at bottom left.<br />
:4 points of the compass at top right.<br />
:Key (Skyrail, Railways, Woodland) at bottom right.<br />
:Scale (2 miles) at top left.<br />
If the map is the same as the one I have, I think several changes would be in order.<br />
:'Your' map pub date is 2013-10-00 - I think this should be a variant of the original map pub title/date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 - see here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19616 and here].<br />
:Further, a search on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crobuzon&type=All+Titles on Crobuzon] shows Hitspacebar (in his 2014 entry) to be the only one titling the map correctly according to the Help guidelines.<br />
:Accordingly and if you think it's correct, I propose changing the titles of all the maps to "New Corbuzon (map) (2000-03-00) by China Miéville (as by uncredited)" and varianting your 2013 title to that.<br />
I hope this all makes sense - the maps are a mess :) Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:18, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi BanjoKev<br />
:I also have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?311532 7th Del Rey printing]. The map in the World Fantasy Convention book is definitely a different map than that published in the Del Rey editions. It is credited to Miéville insofar as it is part of a collection of his drawings with a paragraph explaining when and why he drew them. While I don't believe it's mentioned in the help pages, there is a de facto standard of naming INTERIORART records by their caption when present, which is why the hand drawn map is named as it is. Thus, the 2013 map should not be re-titled or made a variant of the other maps.<br />
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::That's great! Could you add a note to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1713854 title record] so that this doesn't get messed up in future? --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I see you've done that already, thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:41, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:The map in the Del Rey edition matches your description with the exception that there is no artist credited. The map is not currently listed in the publication record of my copy. I agree with you that this map should be titled "New Crobuzon (map)" (correcting a small typo). Since you're working on this, I'll hold off on adding it to my publication until after you've determined the title and original date of the other maps. I do suspect that it occurs in all the Del Rey editions. You can go ahead and import the ultimate title record for the map to the 7th Del Rey edition. Alternatively, you can let me know once you're done merging that maps and I can do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:11, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::So, your different map is the only one credited to China - all the rest are uncredited. I'll sort all this out, including the 7th Del Rey and let you know when it's all done. Many thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:30, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've completed all the changes needed for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1666143 all the maps], including your 7th Del Rey printing. The only loose end is the map & novel pagination in yours if you'd do the honours. Thanks for your help, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:52, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forest J. Ackerman credits ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest+J.+Ackerman&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Rtrace&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication verified Forest J Ackerman] pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} as opposed to {{A|Forrest J. Ackerman}}, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Both lacked the period after the middle initial and I've changed them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:09, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:40, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Moon Maiden ==<br />
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Dear sir:<br />
I am fond of Garrett P. Serviss. In fact, I have read all his works (but The Moon Maiden) and I am translating them into Spanish for first time (e.g. https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B09NRJTWT3).<br />
I have not managed to get a text of The Moon Maiden in any format and I have not been able to find Argosy 1915 not in paper nor scanned. I tried everything! <br />
Could you, please, somehow, hand me a scanned version (or pictured by phone or any mean) of the pages of Argosy May 1915 where it was first published? Nothing I can offer in exchange but gratitude and, if you wish, credit.<br />
Best regards.<br />
Rubene Guirauta (RubeneGuirauta@gmail.com){{unsigned|Lidenbrock}} <br />
:Hi Rubene<br />
:Unfortunately, I do not own a copy of that issue of Argosy. I think you may have gotten the impression that I do because of the secondary verifications that I have marked on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?277246 the publication record]. What I have verified is that Bleiler's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1280738 Science-Fiction: The Early Years]'', Clute and Nicholls ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102324 Encyclopedia of Science Fiction]'' and Tuck's ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102393 The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy]'' all mention that issue of Argosy. Without rechecking each of those references, I suspect the issue is listed because of the Serviss story, the Franklin story, or both. As I'm sure you are aware, there is a later publication of the novel by Crawford/FPCI, but again, I don't possess a copy and have only verified its existence through secondary sources. I did also look for that issue of Argosy at [https://archive.org/ the Internet Archive], which does have scans of many pulps, but unfortunately not the one you're looking for. Good luck with your project, and I'm sorry I couldn't be more help. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:55, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Hi Ron<br />
::Thank you very much for your answer. I understand the role of verificator... but I had to make this attempt, there was a chance you could have it. It is really a challenge to find this issue of Argosy (or the edition of 1978 of The Moon Maiden). I have tried in Internet Archive, Hathi Trust, Library of Congress and others, and in second hand sellers (Abebooks, eBay, Facebook groups...) unsuccessfully. In case in future (this quest is going to last, I am afraid) you could get any information, copy, scan, picture or any clue, please let me know. Best regards. Rubene.<br />
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== Heroic Fantasy frontispiece artist ==<br />
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There's an unentered frontispiece in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16965 Heroic Fantasy] that has a signature that I don't know how to interpret. Do you? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:20, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is that an "R G K" which may indicate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?901 Roy G. Krenkel]? He did do some covers for DAW. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:37, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon image for Assassin's Price ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan from my copy for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657176 Assassin's Price] by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lovecraft's Notes ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20222766M/Some_notes_on_H.P._Lovecraft.; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281745; OL cover has the price on it; alternate? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I don't think it's an alternate. My copy has the price and I've replaced the image with a scan of my copy. Given the date of the previous upload, I was probably replacing an unstable Amazon image and may have just saved theirs and re-uploaded. I don't know what publication the image without a price represents. Chalker/Owings mentions two subsequent editions. There was a library edition published without imprint by people associated with the University of Wisconsin. However C/O states that it was bound in green cloth and issued without a jacket. There was also a 1982 edition from Necronomicon Press, but their publications are usually larger in size. In any case, the image is now correct. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:00, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Wizard of Maldoone ==<br />
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Ron, Any objection to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 to CHAPBOOK]? While approving the addition of the softcover, I looked at the scan in the internet archive. There is no way this is 40,000 words. I'm checking since you entered the hc edition and added the secondary verifications. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:30, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No objection at all. I've only verified from secondary sources. Reginald uses the terms "novel" or "story" for length and I believe has different thresholds for these terms than ours. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whispers, 1987 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289107; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/219866_3; I added FantLab ID to digest edition; Russell story says "Kolorized" on contents page, not "Kolarized", and Eisenstein story says "Weasling", not "Weaseling". 1 seems like contents may be right, the other one seems like a misspelling. So if you can check your HC copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It looks like [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] has already taken care of the correction and explained the contents error. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:07, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pearl Pumpkin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342293; Halloween, not Haloween, according to title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:31, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:08, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baxter - Raft ==<br />
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Hi Ron, just noticed your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664698 Raft]. My later printing pagination is x-245 - perhaps yours is a typo? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:57, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Not a typo. The last numbered page in my copy is 246. The last page has the author bio and is numbered. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:43, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Black Sorcerer ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you moderate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5568056 this submission] please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:59, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Done. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thank you Ron! That record solves a lot of problems. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:14, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Walter Wiggins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5567353; Isn't that a title page photo in the AbeBooks link I provided in the moderator note, with a Jr. on it? Also, I re-did the other edit of mine you rejected recently re: changing Charnal to Charnel with the page that says Charnel House on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:19, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:So it does. I've changed the author's name which allowed me to approve your original edit without losing data. Just keep in mind, that when you change the last reference to an author's name in a publication or title, the software deletes the old author record and creates a new one. Thus, any data on the old author record is lost. No need to inform me about the re-issued edit, it will come up in the queue be handled by whoever is working it at the time. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Honestly, you're the main handler of my edits these days; some mods have quit recently, at least for the time being, others just do a few of my edits now and then that you skip for one reason or another. Dirk used to do a lot of mine until recently (he used to do a lot in my early days but got mad at me and stopped doing them for awhile) when he got mad at somebody else on these boards and decided to take a break until 2024, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Acceptable_moderator_behavior.3F, and JLaTondre and Ahasuerus used to do a bunch when they had the time but they're so busy doing site stuff that it rarely happens anymore. So odds are you'll be the one to approve that specific edit and you'll know why I provided the zine link because you're the one who rejected it and asked for proof; someone else may be unclear why I'm adding something like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::As it turns out, I was the one who worked that edit. However, the title wasn't correct for what was in the scan. I've corrected it and it's fine now. If I'm the only one working the queue, then that's a problem. As I am going on vacation starting tomorrow, I will be approving few if any edits in the next 10 days. I do see other moderators approving edits other than their own in the recent approvals page. I'm not surprised that other moderators skip some of your edits. I do that myself when you've failed to notify primary verifiers, or not provided sufficient sources for your edit. I also skip them in cases where the research required to approve your edit is more than I have time for while I'm working the queue. In the past, I have held your submissions and left notes on your talk page, but this invariably results in arguments that you feel you don't need to notify or document. I'm tired of making the same arguments each time, so I choose to ignore these edits. I will still reject or hold edits that are destructive, or that introduce potentially incorrect data. I can't speak as to why others skip your edits, but this has been my experience. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:25, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I'm fully aware of why you skip certain of my edits, although in almost all cases whatever I did in those edits ends up being approved by others because it was correct; most of my edits end up being approved by you, anyway, so the ones you skip are in the minority. As I've said before, with the massive amount of edits I do (more than almost any other non-moderator in the history of this site, and that's in just 2 years or so) I don't expect every one of them to be approved; a few always fall by the wayside. In the case of the Charnel House thing, I see that you added those secondary verifications you mentioned which had the incorrect "Charnal", but the scan of the issue at hand has been available on Archive.org for many years, so really before adding those verifications less than a year ago you could easily have checked all info in the magazine itself and would have discovered this problem and fixed it yourself instead of me having to fix it like I've had to fix thousands of other things on this site (and I suspect there are many other Cemetery Dance mistakes on ISFDB since so many different people have worked on the 70+ issues). Re: Dirk, he used to do a lot of mine, didn't like the fact that I questioned some of his rejections, and decided to stop, but started again last year, then stopped completely because of his problems with other mods, including both of those I mentioned above and a few others, questioning him. Apparently he has a problem with being questioned. Other mods just don't have the time because the server move created such a big mess they spend most of their time bug-fixing. I'm sure there's a couple that have some personal grudge against me because I'm not an ass-kisser who bows and scrapes so they can get themselves self-moderator status and that's why they rarely approve anything of mine (although they still do occasionally, usually for edits that have some minor problem they can complain about) but honestly, who cares, 43,000 edits and counting. I'm an amateur just doing this to pass the time; I have no time for any of the personal issues so many on here seem to have. As I go through old board messages I can see that many of the angry people who still edit on this site behaved the same way LONG before I started here, so really none of this has anything to do with me. Also, if you ever feel upset about a few of my edits not being exactly done right, just remember how many countless edits either approved by you for others or entered by you personally I've had to fix. Do I complain about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. I should be a self-approver here and I expect you agree with that. I prefer to be nominated by a longtime heavy-duty contributor, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if you, plural, is available, ready and willing in the next ~20 hours. I write to a couple others too.<br />
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A couple hours ago, you approved this morning's creation of a parent Nancy Drew collection as by "unknown", noted "1st of 5 this collection". Recently I had deleted the other four, and several more, upon suddenly recognizing that it only creates more work to Make parent titles without attending first to the Juvenile tag, among other things. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:39, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Wind's Twelve Quarters and The Compass Rose ==<br />
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Hi Ron, is [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THWNDSTWLC0000.jpg this image] any use for your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523721 PV here]?<br />
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Same for this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THMNWHFLLD0000.jpg image] for yours [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567977 here]. Kev.<br />
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: Better yet, I can upload to your pubs "your-pub-specific" images which are exactly the same as the Amazon ones if that's ok with you. I'm trying to avoid linked images like the plague now, I did a test to find out the bad things that can happen with linked images. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:41, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I don't worry that much about Amazon images except for the ones known to be unstable. I do know with the SF Masterworks they've frequently had images that differ slightly from the printed copies, but not in this case. However, if you're more comfortable, I can link to your images. No need to duplicate them in the server. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:46, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Demons By Daylight ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/demonsbydaylight0000camp; Does this require a separate entry, having the $6.00 sticker you mention in your notes, or should I just add it to your PV? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:10, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No need for a separate publication record. None of the secondary sources ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983721 Chalker/Owings], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?971274 Jaffery], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?152881 Nielsen], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?709492 Joshi]) mention a change in price, though I'm sure that is what this is. My copy is one of the ones with the sticker. However, the addition of a sticker isn't really a new publication. I've gone ahead and added the link to the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Visions ==<br />
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You verified a {{P|792984|3rd printing}}. I'd like to verify the {{P|278195|4th}} but I have some updates to the contents which are likely the same in your printing:<br />
* artwork on page ii is same as on page 260. I would change the latter to the same title.<br />
* artwork on page 42 is not listed. We could call this "Robot Visions [12]"<br />
* page 82 should say 83<br />
I can update both printings if you're in agreement. Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:13, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:All these changes are fine, except for the repeated artwork on pages ii and 260. A single title record cannot occur twice in the same publication. Thus if you renamed the artwork on page 260 to "Robot Visions" and then tried to merge the two INTERIORART titles, it would create a problem. What we want to do instead is to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?954582 Robot Visions (8)] (changed brackets to parentheses for the wiki markup only) into a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?645229 Robot Visions]. Please feel fee to proceed with the changes. I can help with the variant if you're not familiar with how to do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the help. I found instructions on making variants and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 went ahead]. Hope I got that right. Once that lands I'll go ahead with the edits to both pubs. I could use a clue on creating the new art title "Robot Visions [12]." My guess is I just put that in when editing a publication, and a title entry is automatically created in the db? [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::By sheer coincidence, Robot Visions is next up on my pile and this thread came up on my watchlist. I have the VGSF [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227061 1st printing] if I can be of any assistance :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:34, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Does your book have the same interior art? If so you could add them to the contents, once we're done with the title changes. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 10:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Not the same. I'll use your pagination for clarity (mine is different).<br />
::::* Yours has 11 pages of interiorart, mine has 12.<br />
::::* My art in the stories agrees with your pages: ii, 3, 24, 51, 82, 123, 235, 245, 343, 359, 401.<br />
::::* Mine also has art in "Too Bad!" (a couple looking at a robot they're considering buying). It would be good if you would allow a gap for this in your numbering(?) system, so that this one can fit in nicely with the sequence when I add it.<br />
::::* The art for "The Bicentennial Man" is the same as at your ii.<br />
::::* My book pagination is correct at 383 pages and it's counted from the very first page inside the front cover. The first numbered page is page 7 and the Introduction starts on page 9. There are no pages with Roman numerals, as yours has.<br />
::::[edit] It might be a good idea to put a brief description of the art in the title records when the dust has settled, to aid identification and guard against publishers swapping the art around. Let me know if there's anything else. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Kev, [https://photos.app.goo.gl/CrMbkK7oU1AnS3GU7 here are photos] of all the art in {{P|278195|my book}} if you want to compare with yours. If you were comparing with what isfdb currently says, I'm sorry, I haven't fixed that yet. (I'll let you know.) I love your idea of describing the art in the notes. I mean, unless there's a way to put in actual pictures (Ron?) then notes are needed to make the entries useful so I will add some. My book does indeed have roman numerals, only on the TOC pages oddly enough. ymmv. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 14:59, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::I wouldn't suggest linking to scans of the artwork, which is under copyright. I do have a suggestion, though it is a bit more work. There are a few ways that INTERIORART can be named. Here we have named it after the title of the collection, with a numeric disambiguator added to all but the first title. However, we could name each INTERIORART with the title of the story where the artwork occurs (and for which it presumably illustrates). Thus, we would avoid having to name a missed record our of sequence (Robot Visions [12]), and it would also go some way to describe each title. This would make a description less necessary, but it can still be added if desired. I would recommend naming the artwork on page ii as "Robot Visions (frontispiece)" while still making it's repeat on page 260 a variant. The only drawbacks to this, are that it's a bunch of edits, and we would want to notify the active primary verifiers of all the editions. Actually, it looks that aside from us three, that would only include [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]. We should also probably break the variant relationship for the Portuguese title. That title appears to be for all the artwork for the book and not just the frontispiece. This should be checked with the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:12, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::Thanks for the suggestion Ron. I'm willing to tackle this. I was going to edit all the titles anyway so renaming them along the way doesn't seem like much more work. I think it's ok to start with the variant business you proposed above? As I said up there (but easily missed because I foolishly inserted it in the middle of the thread) I already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584016 a submission] in for that. And as I asked up there, to create a title one just adds it to a publication, and if it doesn't match an existing title a new entry is created? Thanks. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 19:45, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Sorry, I meant to answer that. But it sounds like you've got it. Just edit the publication and use the add title button. After you've added it to one publication, you can use the import tools to get it in the other publications. You'll need the Title Record # from either the newly added title (after it is approved), if you want to add an individual title, or you can import all the titles from the container that has the new one. The software is smart enough that it doesn't try to import titles that are already there, so you'll catch anything missing from the target record that is in the source record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:00, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
(unindent) Good idea putting the photos up for me to identify! It does take us a little further down the wormhole though.<br />
* We've each got all 12 artworks.<br />
* My versions of your p.37 (Too Bad!) & p.359 (Galley Slave) have been horizontally reversed - not that that matters to our titling, but it's a nice little observation to include in the ''Publication Notes'' if they're different from your description in the canonical title - for instance, in my publication notes I would add "The image for [........] has been reversed in this collection". This led me to consider how you would describe the art depiction in the ''Title Records''#. The only thing I could come up with to overcome the 'direction' would be something like, for p.37, "....Robot facing ''page-right''." and similarly for p.359. It's a bit more difficult with a couple of others... For the frontispiece (good one Ron) and p.260, the best indicator is the lighting on the robot's hand to ''page-left'': brighter than the other one. For p.235 something like "...top of head hinged up towards ''page-left''."<br />
* I like the titling method: "Robot Visions (frontispiece)", "Robot Visions (Introduction: The Robot Chronicles)" ...etc. This will cover all eventualities I think.<br />
*:Not precisely what I was suggesting. For the artwork on page 3, I would name it "Introduction: The Robot Chronicles"; "Robot Visions" for page 24, "Too Bad!" for page 42, etc. This is how these would be handled if this were a magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:24, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
I appreciate the work you're putting into this, I'm sure the end result will be rewarding :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:58, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: It's good practice doing different kinds of edits. I drafted [[User_talk:Fjh#The_Robot_Visions_McQuarrie_INTERIORART_Project_:.29|descriptions]] for each piece of art, if anyone wants to suggest improvements before I start submitting them. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 15:14, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I think you've done a pretty good job of meeting your goals there! Here are some suggestions for you:<br />
::* Too Bad! - "...glasses at left and man at right standing..." - i.e. lose the brackets.<br />
::* The Bicentennial Man - again, lose the brackets, plus:<br />
:::* Make this the canonical and the frontispiece the variant - if a publisher is going to drop one of them, it'd probably be the frontispiece - yes/no?.<br />
:::* "Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket."<br />
::* frontispiece - "Same illustration as for The Bicentennial Man. Robot in open shirt, holding board over its head. Pens in robot's left shirt pocket." - the use of 'variant' could be misconstrued?<br />
:: The other nine descriptions are excellent, and I also like Ron's magazine-like title treatment. Hope this helps.<br />
:: Btw Ron, how much do we owe you for the rent? :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:16, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::No charge. My talk page is your talk page. I just appreciate you and [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] doing all this work. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for the suggestions Kev. Unfortunately by the time I saw them some edits had already landed. You can of course edit again. Sorry too for my long absence, but I am still working on this and eager to wrap it up. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 14:59, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::No problem, thanks for the update. Like you, I'm waiting for the edits to land :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:10, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Now that the dust has settled, may I make some suggestions, beginning with what I think might be a more elegant way of handling the frontispiece...<br />
:::::::* Change "Robot Visions" to either "The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)" or "The Bicentennial Man (as frontispiece)" - your p.ii<br />
:::::::* Make "The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)" a variant of "The Bicentennial Man" - your p.260<br />
:::::::* Change "Robot Visions [3]" to "Robot Visions" - your p.24<br />
::::::At present, all the McQuarrie titles carry a 1990-00-00 date, I'd like to change that to the 1st printing date {{P|203401|1990-04-00}}<br />
::::::Add image descriptions to the title pages for (your) pps ii, 24, 260.<br />
::::::Add the source of the cover art credit to your notes.<br />
::::::If you're in agreement, I'll make the changes. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:24, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::For the title of the artwork on my page ii, I would have named this "Robot Visions (frontispiece)". The naming of the artwork is dependent on where it is located, and in this instance it is nowhere near "The Bicentennial Man". It is the frontispiece of the book as a whole. That being said, I've no objection to the current variant relationship being reversed. I think what you're getting at here is that the artwork illustrates the story. If {{T|954582|The Bicentennial Man}} were the parent title, the fact that is re-used as the frontispiece to the book is a little more obvious. <br />
:::::::I agree that "Robot Visions [3]" should be simply "Robot Visions", provided that we use the "(frontispiece)" disambiguator to the artwork on page ii.<br />
:::::::I've no objections to adding descriptions or source of artist credits.<br />
:::::::While I actually agree with you about the dates, it's against ISFDB policy. The first printing has a {{T|645229|single title}} for all artwork in the book. Each of the individual artwork titles should carry the date of the first time they appeared in our records as individual titles. Right now, they should have the unknown date (0000-00-00). If the overall title in the first printing were replaced with the individual titles, then we could date them 1990-04-00. You could try contacting [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] through the email system (his preference for contact) to see if he is amenable to changing to the individual records. It looks like there is a scan of the book, so we wouldn't need him to provide us with the page numbers. Failing that, you could add them to the {{P|178053|Gollancz}} printing, and we could then use a 1990-09-00 date. I had argued previously that differences in disambiguators or title type (COVERART reprinted as INTERIORART) should carry the date of the original appearance. However, the consensus on that issue went the other way. Thus, we'll need to stick with the earliest appearance as individual titles. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:49, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Hello Ron, I borrowed a copy of the {{P|203401|1990-04-03 Roc hc}} and have started editing it. Also, I've just taken delivery of the {{P|178053|1990-09-13 Guild/Gollancz hc}} (yes, that's the date) - so all things will lead to the sunny uplands from here. I'm tracking all the things which need to be done and so, if you're in agreement, I can make all the necessary changes to {{P|792984|your pub}} (and {{P|278195|fjh's}} too, if he's agreeable). Once those four are in alignment, I'll go on to sort out all the other Robot Visions on the db. If I step off the lighted path, please let me know :) And thanks for all your good advice. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:15, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== plan/progress ===<br />
* done: {{T|954582|pg. 260 art}} is a variant of {{T|645229|pg. ii art}}. {{P|792984|3rd}} and {{P|278195|4th}} printing notes already say these are the same picture.<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art and fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|278195|4th printing}}<br />
* done: add pg. 42 art in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* done: fix page numbering 82 -> 83 in {{P|792984|3rd printing}}<br />
* done: add descriptive note to {{T|3146409|new art title}}.<br />
* rename and describe all other interior art:<br />
** [4] Robbie [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5587750 done]<br />
** [2] Introduction: The Robot Chronicles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608873 pending]<br />
** [5] Reason [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608874 pending]<br />
** [6] Runaround [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608876 pending]<br />
** [7] Feminine Intuition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608879 pending]<br />
** [8] The Bicentennial Man [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608893 pending]<br />
** [9] Lenny [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608897 pending]<br />
** [10] Galley Slave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608902 pending]<br />
** [11] Christmas Without Rodney [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608906 pending]<br />
* todo: investigate {{T|2374637|Portuguese title}}<br />
latest update [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 15:42, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258877; I added an Archive.org link in a pending edit to the second VGSF edition and cloned the 17th Roc printing for a 19th printing also on Archive.org, but "Too Bad!" was on p. 37, not p. 3. I fixed it in my edit but 17th has no PV (ChrisJ is only editor in the history) so if anyone has 17th they can fix that; editor also didn't enter Roman numeral (x) in page count so I added that in my edit, too. I'm sure 17th is the same as 19th and editor just made mistakes. 1st printing here has right number for "Too Bad!" but is missing the Roman numeral; PV, Viter, is long-gone so if anyone has that printing they can add the x if it's there, which I'm sure it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Early Asimov Book One ==<br />
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Thanks for moderating [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582810 my submission] to add the introduction to the contents.<br />
Unfortunately I did it wrong. A {{T|3145057|new title}} was created when I wanted to link to {{T|630321|this one}}.<br />
(I have both books in front of me and the contents are the same.)<br />
I don't suppose you have an undo function for that submission?<br />
If not then I think I need to:<br />
* "Remove Titles From This Pub" to get rid of what I just added<br />
* "Import Content" to add it back, as a link to the {{T|630321|existing title}}<br />
* delete the {{T|3145057|unwanted title}}, unless it magically evaporates when nothing links to it<br />
Appreciate your patience as I learn how to do things here. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:40, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No worries. This is actually easy to fix What you want to do is go to either title record and click on the Check for Duplicate Titles tool. This will bring up a list showing both titles. Check both boxes and then click the merge selected records button. There is another page where you would be able to see conflicts and decide what to do with them. In this case, there are none, so you can just click on Complete Merge. Once approved, both publications will have the same title. For your future information, what you wanted to do (i.e. what would have done this in a single edit) is to use the Import Content tool from the publication record. You would then use option 2 to import an individual title. Let me know if you run into any problems. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:23, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: done! that was easy, thanks [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 20:04, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Masque of Mañana ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584480; Does the ISBN-13 on back cover barcode count? Note says there's none in the second printing, just the ISBN-10 from the original edition. I just fixed the printing wording in the note to what it really says on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'd say no. All of the copyright page and the stated ISBNs above and below the barcode show the 10 digit ISBN. That's probably Don's note, and I suspect it was added because this would have shown up on the cleanup report. However, it's long since been marked as ignored, and removed from that report. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:34, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baby ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409130; I made an edit in 2021 for this, you just made an edit, the Archive.org copy is an uncorrected proof with a higher page count (someone actually wrote in page numbers with a pen), so is it acceptable here to add a link even if it's not exactly the same or should the link be moved to the title record? Because I've seen some other proofs for various books that could be added if it is acceptable. Also, the 1982 Dell PB has been on Archive.org even longer than the proof but was never entered so I just did that but the 1 copy I can see on Amazon has a totally white cover instead of totally black. Not sure what that means; I doubt they released alternate covers for such a relatively minor work but who knows. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:37, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I hadn't realized that the scan was of a proof, which we don't and shouldn't track in the database. I've removed the link and the data added as a result of that scan. I wouldn't add it to the title record. We generally don't track proofs here as they don't meet the definition of published. I did question the note about a publication month that was determined by examining a pre-publication scan. It seems wrong to me, insofar as anything in the proof is merely predictive and there is no way of knowing whether the schedule slipped between when the proof was issued and the book was eventually published. However, the note is likely sufficient to indicate that the publication month we have is unreliable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:31, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov & Silverberg - Nightfall ==<br />
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Hi Ron, could you check the title of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24156 essay here]. Should yours be titled ''To the Reader (Nightfall)''? If so, I'm handling four other titles and can fix yours at the same time. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:29, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it is titled "To the Reader". Please go ahead and change it with the others. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Great, will do. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:24, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1000 Faces ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337145; It wasn't supposed to be a mod note, it was supposed to be a note explaining that the price was changed from what was there before when someone entered the wrong price. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Why would we want that in a publication note? After the price is changed, there is no context to show that the price was ever anything else than what is shown. We don't add publication notes stating that incorrect data was changed and I'm unaware that you've ever done so in the past. That note is totally appropriate for a moderator note, but not for a publication note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:OK, if you say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"? ==<br />
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Ron, could you check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178417 The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F] to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:48, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please proceed with the change. The tile with the dash (actually looks like an em dash), appears that way in the table of contents. The title page uses the colon. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Music ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285854; LCCN ID added, publisher was longer, checked FantLab and longer name's on title page so I made it so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please don't do that this way. As I know I've explained before, if you change the publisher on the only publication by that publisher, you effectively erase the existing record for that publisher, and all the data contained therein. It's better to update the publisher record directly (or if that's a moderator only function, ask on the moderator board that it be done). I'm going to reject this edit and I'll update the publisher record as to preserve the existing notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:37, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::So you're saying I should have added LCCN ID and then made another edit in the publisher record changing their name? Is that how it's supposed to be done? Also, I did some edits for 2 books by the same author (C. Pallen) from Manhattanville Press, the only 2 books on ISFDB from that publisher, 1 of which started with "The" and the other, published much later, which didn't, so I differed them; since there's no info on that publisher record it doesn't matter that I changed it from within the book record, right? Is that what you're saying? Also, if the Herald info had been lost it would have been a shame since I'm the one who added it in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Yes, when you change the publisher within a publication record, what you're really doing is removing the existing publisher, and adding a new one. If you remove the last publication to which the old publisher refers, the software will delete that publisher record. So yes, in this case you should have done it in two edits. For your other example, it's correct that it doesn't matter if the publisher being deleted has no additional data. If it had, what you would want to do is to merge the two publishers, which I'm fairly certain is a moderator only function. Even then, if both publisher records have conflicting data, that would have to be resolved during the merge. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:10, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sutro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346448; Transient, couple of titles differ from contents page but I assume you entered them as they appeared at story heads, but "Ships That Pass" says 73, not 23, in copy just added to Dalby's site; https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/collections/newest-shopify-test/products/sutro-miller-ghost-stories-sentinel-publications-1947-paperbacks. Was that an error in book or an entry error here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:53, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Unfortunately, I no longer have that copy. Thus the transient verification. I think it's likely that the page number is our typo, given the record numbers of the individual titles. Please feel free to change that if you'd like. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::http://www.philsp.com/resources/ISFAC/t155.htm#A2781; Fixed page number and another story's date which was actually published years earlier. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:38, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Introduction for The Wit and Wisdom of Discworld ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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you verified two variants of the book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301290 and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?421825). I think the title record for the introduction is very likely wrong. It should be "Introduction: Through the Wardrobe Into Discworld". At least for the ebook I'm sure the title should be as said via Amazon LookInside: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?463079. That would also remove the duplicate title with "&" and "and", as adding the book name would no longer be necessary. Also it would match the German translation title.<br />
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Can you please verify if that's true for your copy? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 09:57, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for pointing this out. I've corrected the titles. I also corrected the book title of the first printing and reversed the parent variant relationship. I'm pretty sure that Doubleday wouldn't have changed between printings, and I'm sure the "and" was introduced because of the cover title. I was also able to verify the Harper trade paperback as having an ampersand for the Amazon look inside version. Oddly, the Harper eBook, uses "and". I suspect some of the other "and" printing are incorrect, but can't find evidence to switch them. In any case, I left the variant of the translation of the introduction to you. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:02, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== J.W. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327628; I think co-editor is this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11081. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:35, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Futures Forestalled ... for Now: South African Science Fiction and Futurism ==<br />
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I was taking a look at {{P|935348|this publication}} based on [[ISFDB:Verification_requests#Futures_Forestalled_..._for_Now%3A_South_African_Science_Fiction_and_Futurism|this discussion]]. As far as I can tell, this is an essay (and not a publication) that appeared in the non-genre magazine [https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/rcwr20/34/1 Current Writing]. I wanted to check with you as the processing moderator to see if you saw something I missed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:51, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the submission, I probably thought I was skipping it rather than approving it. I never intentionally approve submissions with a image link from a site for which we don't have permissions. I do give deference when the submitter is working from their own copy, but the image warning would have made me think this one should not be approved without contacting the submitter. The verifier was active recently. It may be worth reaching out to them to see what they thought they were adding. It looks like this may need to be converted to an essay in a non-genre magazine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Archer (I) adaptations of Oz novels ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. Recently I recognized that your Peter Archer A{{a|359605}} is distinct from others, so I revised your verified record of ''The Road to Oz'' picture book adaptation, in its 3rd printing of 2009 edition P{{p|366091}}, to distinguish the adapter as Peter Archer (I). A second edit/self-approve was necessary for the chapbook title --you probably know; I didn't.<br />
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Pursuing Peter Archer (I), I learned that that is a joint pseudonym. More descriptive disambiguators and fewer roman numerals are used here recently (CoViD era, i have noticed since returning). Perhaps "Peter Archer (pseudonym)" would be a better choice.<br />
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Byron and {{a|Kathryn Jackson}} are new to the database. (Husband and wife seem likely but I didn't find it stated.) From library records I learned that they adapted at least three Oz novels for Little Golden Books in the early 1950s. Last hour I added the other two as 1952 chapbooks. Library of Congress reports no other Peter Archer adaptations of Oz. WorldCat does not enable any such negative conclusions, as far as I know. <br />
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The number of submissions was greater than should have been. If I understand correctly, best practice is to set all toggles {Non-Genre ; Juvenile ; Novelization ; Graphic Format} and set Length if known --all for the child SHORTFICTION created as content of the new CHAPBOOK. Only then, make that one a variant. Then put parent SHORTFICTION in a series, or add title Note or Synopsis, if appropriate. Right?<br />
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How many of the 4 toggles and Length should be set for the CHAPBOOKs? Here I made the child CHAPBOOK juvenile. Then make CHAPBOOK a variant. New parent CHAPBOOK gets a Note occasionally; no Synopsis or series.<br />
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Your verified ''Road to Oz'' contains CHAPBOOK "The Road to Oz (abridged)" and SHORTFICTION "The Road to Oz". I did not name any of the four 1952 CHAPBOOKs and SHORTFICTION "(abridged)". What do you think nowadays?<br />
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Take a look at all these Peter Archer (I) records if and when you have a chance. For the next 10 days I will be away from home, and maybe away from ISFDB. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have a larger concern about these records. My understanding is that an adapter should not be listed with an author credit, but should be reflected in the notes only. It appears these records were changed after I verified the copy. I'm going to start a new Rules and Standards discussion to ensure my understanding is correct. Regarding your question about the flags being used on CHAPBOOK titles. Non-Genre seems appropriate for chapbooks, as it would place the title record at the bottom of the author's bibliography. The other flags, to my mind appear to apply specifically to the SHORTFICTION, and not to the container (CHAPBOOK). That's just my opinion, and you could pose that question on one of the community boards to get wider input. I did add the disambiguator (abridged) to the SHORTFICTION title. This especially makes sense if the adapter is not listed as an author. It's partially to prevent the software from presenting it as a duplicate of the novel. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:33, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I have been away for most of this fortnight. Now I have redd that new discussion [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements Adaptations and Abridgements (at Rules and Standards)].<br />
:: For my information, does the 2015 publication update by Mhhutchins [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?2706045] show up on your report "My Changed Primary Verifications [New!]" or is the report limited in scope to "recent" updates?<br />
:::No it does not. The oldest update listed is from October 2016. This may have been when that report or the underlying data supporting it was added.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:06, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree that the story title should be disambiguated, such as "(abridged)" or "(adapted)". I guess I would call this one an adaptation but I haven't seen it. With DougH, I would prefer to see those or similar parenthetical notations used when titles do not match. <br />
:: I'll take your suggestion concerning CHAPBOOK titles as Juvenile, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:06, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rohmer's Bast Pyramid Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289865; Philsp.com page for this book says J. Lombardero did the cover and I see a little JL on the lower right. I assume if his name was in the book you would have entered it so how should it be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:21, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well your eyes are better than mine. I can't find the initials even with a magnifying glass. Since the artist is not credited in the book, you should add it as the canonical name, i.e. {{A|Joseph Lombardero}}. When you not the source, I'd go with "The Page of Fu Manchu". Galactic Central (philsp.com) hosts a large number of indexes and bibliographies, so giving the domain name doesn't really give enough information to identify the source. Especially, as in this case, when they are only hosting the site, rather than creating it. Good find. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:51, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK, I made an edit, but this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27160, reveals that the other 5 Pyramid covers done by Lombardero for Rohmer have all been entered, but as J. It's a mess, with 1 PV mentioning the artist is credited on the back cover (as J.), 1 non-PV mentioning the same thing, some not mentioning anything, etc. Only 1 has an active PV (I think), MLB, and he doesn't complain much about change these days, so if you or some other Rohmer fan wanted to look at this further I'm sure you could probably improve things. I assume your back cover doesn't say anything; if it does it would probably say J., which means my edit entering Joseph will need to be cancelled. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::As I mentioned above, there is no credit on the book, which includes the back cover. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:43, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== My Favorites in Suspense ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597540; I believe the other Archive.org copy, which you worked on, is a book club edition. It has the same incomplete copyright page as the one here, https://www.ebay.com/itm/185721019229; publisher should be Random House / BCE, I think. There's also the question of where external ID's really belong since neither copy is the original edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well, no. {{P|570083|this}} publication record is clearly for the trade edition. The link to the scan was added to the record. The record was not created from that scan. I guess that may be a scan of a book club edition, but there's not really enough evidence to say definitively. It's possible that the copyright page of the trade edition would include a printing or edition statement, or the LCCN. However, there are many examples of trade books that do not. If we were certain that the scan was for a book club edition, it should be removed from this record, but I'm not certain. Feel free to clone that record to create a record for the book club edition, if you'd like. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:32, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Well, OK. At least there'll be another edition here soon once mine is approved. I see there's this, too, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334763510639, a third printing, so I don't know how many times they printed this thing, but I also found this, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334768776674, a first printing, so that's likely the original non-book club edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::And thus you've proven that the title page differs for the first edition. I've removed the scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:01, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== PKD - Dr. Bloodmoney ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm about to add a 2003 3rd printing of your {{P|289298|2004 4th printing}} and I notice that your novel title is the long version. Is that correct, or should it be just "Dr. Bloodmoney"?<br />
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edit... and what about this {{P|115221|1st printing}} while we're at it? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:03, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've changed the record for my copy. You should contact [[User talk:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] about the first printing. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks Ron, I've alerted Pete to this. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Necronomicon's Reanimator ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309542; I corrected a minor mistake (On/One) but noticed that every cover I can see online says $3.95 on the lower right corner, not $3.50. SFE has a clear cover showing the price. Wrong verification or higher-priced reprint? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:{{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the price as $3.50. They also note, as does {{Reginald3}} that it was reprinted in 1985 with C/O stating that there were additional reprints after. I would assume that the covers you are seeing are from later printings. Reginald also has a variation in title between the 1977 and the 1985 editions, and I'm still researching that. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:58, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I see price is $3.95 now; what changed? Also, you probably know already but there's this, too: https://fantlab.ru/edition249786. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:38, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Well, after seeing that the cover included the date, and that it was listed on several sale listings described as the first edition from 1977, I determined that Chalker/Owings were probably in error about the price. Fantlab is for a different printing than the two I working with. Feel free to add it if you'd like. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:47, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Guinever's Gift ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5598537; I made some changes in case that affects your verifications since this isn't the regular edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please don't make edits converting the publication record of the trade edition of a book into the book club edition. The record you were trying to change is clearly for the trade edition. It includes the ISBN. The linked Worldcat record has the ISBN and notes first edition. The publisher name nor the notes indicate that it is a book club edition. The only piece of data that is incorrect is the link to the scan (which I've now removed). As that link was obtained from a [https://www.worldcat.org/title/606129407 Worldcat record] which also indicates that it is a first edition, and upon your further research it is incorrect. The problem with the edit you attempted is that it effectively deletes the trad edition and replaces it with a book club edition. It also would create a record with incorrect external ids as they all refer to the trade edition. I'm going to reject your edit for these reasons. If you wish to add the book club edition, please submit a new edit cloning the existing record, which is a better approach as it doesn't delete the trade edition. Also, if you see a publication record with an incorrect scan, feel free to submit an edit removing that link with an explanation that it belongs to a different edition. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I added LCCN, cover artist (only photo of full back flap I could find anywhere and even then it's barely legible) and cover image to trade edition; however, I can't find price anywhere since almost every auction online is for the book club, so maybe you or someone can find it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:41, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Carnival Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8771; I added LCCN and also month/day to reg. title and cover art only to see Wiki says October, not May 10. Did you write the note about where the exact date came from? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:36, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I did not, but it is in the LOC Catalog of Copyright Entries on page 192 [https://archive.org/details/catalogofcopyrig311libr/page/n207/mode/2up here]. That note appears to have been added by [[User talk:PatConolly|PatConolly]] on 2019-09-15. My only complaint about your edit is that LCCN numbers of that vintage generally have a dash instead of 0s. I don't know precisely when LOC stopped using the dashes, but is was at the end of the 20th century. Since the LCCN does not appear in the the book, it's a minor quibble. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:53, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I enter LCCN as they appear on the LoC site; as long as clicking the ID link leads to the right page on their site it seems OK to me. If pre-2000 LCCN should have had dashes then somebody should have said something before countless moderators approved the hundreds/thousands of LCCN I've entered in the last 2+ years. I think I'll ask on Community if anyone can whip up something that can automatically change all LCCN entered here with 00 to -; unlikely but you never know. In this case I'll cancel my edit and enter it with the dash since this is a seminal work that should have info entered exactly right. Re: the date, it seems more right to me that a horror collection would be released in the month of Halloween, but then most of what Arkham House released was horror so it could very well have been released earlier like other books of theirs that year; just to be safe I'll remove the month changes and just do the LCCN. If anyone can say for sure what the exact date is then those can be changed later. EDIT: I added LCCN with the dash and the FantLab ID which I've somehow never entered and noticed something: there are several cover photos on their site and it's signed G. Barrows + front flap says George Barrows, yet George Burrows is entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The artist name should be changed. However, it would be best to change at the author level. I'll check with the other verifiers to ensure it's ok to change all instances. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MoM ==<br />
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Re: your rejection, it was discussed with him/her on their board under the title "A Month of Mystery". Usually we wait until they reply before rejecting (which rarely happens because they usually agree with the changes(s) I made). I'm not clear on what you mean about deleting the trade edition, the one that I entered recently. PV edition is book club (fewer pages; https://www.ebay.com/itm/266154678368) and needs BCE in publisher to differ it from the trade edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:15, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The policy is that you should seek (and receive) agreement before you submit the edit. I know that's how I've explained it to you in the past. The current record is for a trade edition of the book that has been verified by two editors. If your edit had been approved, there would no longer be a record for the first printing of the trade edition. There would only be a record for a book club edition and the second printing of the trade edition. Even if [[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] agreed that their copy is a book club edition, there would still be a verification for the trade edition that can't be questioned as the editor is no longer active. What you should have done, is to clone this publication record to make a record for the book club edition. Then if Swfritter has the BCE, they should move their verification to the new record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:51, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I see. OK. I think I'll give up on this particular area of editing; way too many books were PV that have wrong info entered, in many cases this same issue of people not knowing or caring exactly what edition of the book they had, and my trying to fix them is more trouble than it's worth. There's endless other things to be done here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:20, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stained-Glass World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; You're the last person in the edit history so I'm letting you know that when I was adding an Archive.org link I noticed that even though it says July in book and in note here someone entered the month as April. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:06, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Well, since my edit added only Worldcat and Reginald numbers and neither source gives more than the year, I have no special insight as to what the date should be. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:41, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Disciple ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246597; I made the 1 missing story that I added to this collection a variant of author's parent name but what's the procedure to get rid of the 6 variant titles in the contents? Should I correct the titles under the alternate name as I did for the name used in the book? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:51, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'm not sure I completely understand what you are asking. Are you saying that there are title records in this book that are incorrect? If so, what you depends on whether they occur in any other publications. If not, then you can correct the title record. If the title is in another publication, then you should add a new title to this publication record, and make it a variant to the canonical title. You would then need to remove the incorrect title record from this publication. If you are asking about something else, please explain further. Links to the titles you think are incorrect and what you think needs updating would be helpful. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:04, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I'm asking about the 6 stories in the link that say "variant"; as you know since you approved it, I corrected several incorrect titles but those titles are still incorrect under the alternate name. So how do I get both names to display the same correct title? Do I have to retitle them individually, merge, or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:14, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All of the contained titles in that work are variants. However, when a variant differs in title from its parent, it is displayed with both titles. If you updated the canonical title, it would have no effect on the variant title. This makes sense as one of the purposes of variant titles is to show variations in title. Then my answer above is what you want and how you'd proceed depends on whether the variant title appears in other publications or not. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:34, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hyde & Wintz - Précieuses reliques ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you process [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601198 my submission] for this title that I asked in the Moderator note to not process. Marty has given me great advice which I will take post approval. I'll fix the titling, "nom" -> "Nom" and anything else I can find. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:07, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Sure. Done. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:16, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Smooth running :) Thanks. Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:26, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Resurrectionist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601382; Isn't the procedure to unmerge when the artist name is different as I explained in my note, HefferMan vs. HefferNan? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's easier to remove the incorrect COVERART title from the publication that is in error. Then add a new COVERART title to the same pub. These can be done in either order, but best to explain in the notes to the moderator what is intended for subsequent edits. Of course you'll also have to build the variant relationship once the new title is created. The issue with unmerging, is that until you update the author credit on the unmerged title, it will appear as a potential duplicate both in the cleanup reports and if anyone checks for duplicates. Given that approvals are running two days behind from submissions, that creates a window where the titles could get re-merged. I will note that you could have expanded a bit in your note to the moderator. Maybe specifically stating that the author credit is different rather than listing the two names and expecting the moderator to recognize they differ. Your note left me wondering if you wanted to make a variant between the paperback and hardcover editions because of differences in trim. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Same or different authors / artists? ==<br />
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Hello, Ron! We have both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273536 Tania Ianovskaia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?225848 Tatiana Ianovskaia], both did interior art related to Lewis Carroll's work, which brings up the question if they are related, or even maybe one and the same person. They both pop up in publications verified by you, for example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?668434 here] (Tania). Would it be possible for you to take a look into the identities? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:26, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Christian<br />
:The credits are as they appear in each book. ''The Annotated Alice'' has short biographies of the artists and mentions that Tatiana illustrated some Carroll books that were published by "Tania Press". There's also [https://www.lewiscarroll.org/2008/07/17/tanias-alice/ this post] from the Lewis Carroll Society of North America that uses both "Tania" in the header, and "Tatiana" in the body of the post. I think this is enough evidence that they are the same person, and I'm going to make the variant relationship. Despite the number of titles that we have, I'm going to make Tatiana canonical. From what I'm seeing, that appear to be how she is most often credited in books which we don't seem to have in the database, but could. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Tanya/Tania is also a very common diminutive for Tatiana in Russian (it is also a name on its own of course). Which also adds to the evidence. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:04, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Minotaur Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello Ron. Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284345 this] pblication. Cound you ell me if your copy is a limited edition (of 500) signed by Charles de Lint, George Barr, Robert Collins and Mathew Hargreaves. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:21, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:It is. I'm guessing that you are asking because you want to verify the publication? If so, feel free to add notes about the limitation, or I can do that if you'd prefer. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I will indeed be verifying it once the copy I ordered arrives from the US. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:23, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Coming Attractions in F&SF July-Aug 2015 ==<br />
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Hi, you're one of 2 PVs of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?526483 this magazine issue]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1883751 Coming Attractions] seems to have a couple of minor (*) issues:<br />
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* It's categorized as a COLLECTION, should be an ESSAY I think?<br />
* The "July-June" in the title seems a bit odd, looking at the similar entry in other issues, I'm guessing it should be "July-August"?<br />
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(* - minor, but the unexpected type is enough to break some program code I'm working on that is using the short fiction data...)<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:48, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aldiss - Cryptozoic! ==<br />
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Hi Ron, re this {{P|633905|1st printing}}, am I right in thinking we record the "official" pub date, not when it becomes available? Gollancz.co.uk and Amazon date is 2017-11-02. What do you think?<br />
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Even worse, [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL26792277M/Cryptozoic Open Library] has 2017-03-19. Kev.<br />
:My recollection is that there have been several discussions regarding publication dates over the years. I did find a [[Rules and standards discussions/Archive/Archive20#Proposed Date help text revision|recent update discussion]] that points to [[Template:PublicationFields:Date|this template]] (see Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality). Looking at the edit history, it appears that [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] changed the date and added that note. You may want to reach out to him to find out what his thought process was. I've no objection if the date changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:28, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for taking the time to root out those links for me and I've left a note on his page. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:29, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::: As a Transient verifier I'll defer to the PVs. No problem here if the date is amended. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:11, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks both of you for your help. I've submitted an edit to change the date and expand the notes. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:01, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:44, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Necropolis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1482; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/138662_6; While adding LCCN and FantLab ID to Arkham House first printing, which you PV, I noticed 1 of the FantLab photos says second printing on copyright page. Second isn't verified here so I don't know if seeing an actual photo would help to add anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:20, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I don't read Russian, is the Fantlab record for the first or second printing? Since they are showing pictures of the reprint and show no data that is inconsistent with the reprint, I would assume it's for the second printing. In that case the Fantlab id should be added to that record and not that of the first printing. If that record is for the first printing, then showing only photographs of the second printing is misleading. Please cancel your submission and add only the LCCN to the first printing. You can add the Fantlab ID can be added to the record for the second printing with any additional data that you can find from that record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:46, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Right-click, "Translate to English". Also, I'll cancel and just add LCCN; there's already a link to an Archive.org copy of the first printing, so if anyone ever has the second printing and PV it that'll be better than relying on FantLab's usual jumble of random photos without any context. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thieves' World Printing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?299652; What's the number line in your copy which you said is 2nd printing? Because there's one of those OL-only non-preview copies which has 2 4 6 8 0 9 7 5 3; I think that means 3rd printing, which is not on ISFDB. There are many other Asprin books which are also OL-only. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That number line, which matches the one in my copy, is for a second printing. You'll note that the lowest number in the line is "2". Sometimes publishers put the odd numbers on one side with the even numbers on the other. My understanding is that number lines were created so that the plates for a printing could be used for a subsequent printing by scraping off the prior printing number. When a number line is done in the manner of this one, it keeps the line roughly centered on the page as each number is scraped off. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, so I'll add the link to your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete ==<br />
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Hi Ron, with reference to your approvals [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604143 5604143] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5604180 5604180], could you delete the related, old images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSTRSMDSF0000.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSTRSMDST2010.jpg here] for me, to prevent them being reverted. The old ones do not have the Haldeman quote. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:53, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:40, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov G&S ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?741539; Copy uploaded on Archive.org in 2014, your PV in 2019, I want to add a link but the front flap price, $50.00, and the back flap month, 0388, are visible along with artist's signature on back cover (good for notes), so I want to enter those, too. Is your copy coverless, which would explain why you didn't enter those bits of info? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My copy does have a jacket. However, the price is inked out. I suspect that it was originally given as a gift as there is an inscription on the flyleaf. I'm less sure about dating by the jacket date and have started a [[Rules and standards discussions#Dates on Dust Jackets|Rules and Standards discussion]] to see how we want to treat these dates. However, I was able to get a full publication date from the LOC copyright record, so the jacket date is moot in this case. I generally don't note the source of the artist credit when it is somewhere in the book. If we were to do this for every piece of data in the record, it would soon get unwieldy. I might have done so if the artist was identified by signature alone, since that can be a matter of interpretation. I did add a note about the copyright office, because that source is unexpected. As I approve my own edits, I don't need to let the moderator know where the data came from. It's still a good idea to add such sources in the moderator notes. Thanks for finding the scan. I've also added that to the record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:37, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Run ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606436; The 1999 date was wrong, as should have been obvious juding by the awards which were for books published in 2000, but apparently someone entered the date long ago from somewhere and never bothered changing it; the HC is 2000, PB is 2001. When I entered the new PB edition the merged title date still said 1999 because my edit changing it to the correct date of 2000 hadn't been approved yet. That's why, so this should be un-rejected so the correct title date is shown. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My mistake for thinking you were adding a 1999 publication. I'm still not used to the title data appearing on the publication update approval page, which was a recent change. As it was, I had originally skipped the title update as there was no explanation in the moderator notes as to why you were making the change. Even here, I'm not sure that dating based on award years is dispositive. However, I've checked Worldcat and the earliest publication they have is from 2000, so I'll go ahead and approve this one. You frequently add moderator notes, but not always. You may want to add them to more edits, especially, as in this case, when the reasons for your edit are unclear. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:51, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dance of Demons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8641; I've been trying to standardize New Infinities books, as I said on Community Portal, and you are the only active PV of the 5 Gord books, but while the other cover images are the same as the covers of the Archive.org copies the image for Dance of Demons has the same ID on the upper left that I mentioned re: Sea of Death on CP while the Archive.org copy, https://archive.org/search?query=dance-of-demons, doesn't, and also it has New Infinities and BSM logo while image doesn't. So it seems there are other editions out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I no longer have access to the book as evidenced by the fact that the verification is transient. I don't recall whether that scan was from my physical copy or not. Please feel free to upload a new cover from the Internet Archive scan. Let me know when you've done so and I can delete the old scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:57, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Can't do that as it's dark, was photographed badly with lens flare, and has a price sticker on it. There's several copies on eBay. I'm just trying to fix the various publisher names and get them all down to 2, with Ace and without; I get the feeling after I'm done with that some new editions with those ID's on the cover will be added and then cover images can be taken care of for everything. The one New Infinities cover by Gygax that I tried to replace ISFDB's cover with gave me a warning because it's a "nicholls" which is not one of the approved subdirectories on SFE, even though it probably should be because Peter Nicholls passed away a few years ago. Maybe somebody here with some pull can convince them to grant access to more of their images. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:11, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The One Tree ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159731<br />
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Mine says:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>"First Hardcover Edition: April 1982"</li><br />
<li>"First International Edition: April 1982"</li><br />
</ul><br />
Thus seems to indicate a publication date of April 1982 instead of 1983 for del rey's pb edition. I also spot some layout differences on the cover, so maybe this is a different edition?<br />
--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 16:47, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Spacecow<br />
:You have a different edition. Mine has "First Edition: April 1982" over "Paperback format:" over "First Edition: April 1983". There is no mention of an international edition, nor is the first edition specified as hardcover, though you could assume so as the paperback edition is specified. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:53, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for fast reply. I'll create a new publication. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:54, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cadigan - Synners ==<br />
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Hello Ron, can I suggest the pagination for the {{P|390622|1st printing}} should be xiii+475. Gaiman's introduction finishes on the last numbered page xiii before the novel. And pages 476-477 are acknowledgements and unnumbered. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:28, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I completely agree with your proposed change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::And submitted :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:51, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Topper ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269056; SFE just added a cover image and it is clearly signed "C V Farrow" on lower right corner but ISFDB image doesn't have a signature. Is there a signature on your copy or a credit for Farrow in your copy (maybe it's coverless)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My copy lacks a dustjacket. I don't recall where I got that cover scan from. Please feel free to add the cover artist and upload a new scan if you can find a better one. The SFE one has some condition issues. [https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/4954/thorne-smith/topper-an-improbable-adventure Facsimile Dust Jackets] has it, but that would need to be cropped. Good find. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:07, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Purcell Papers ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=purcell+papers+arkham&sort=-addeddate; Another copy was just upped on Archive.org, sticker with $8.95 price on flap, new edition or just add link to old one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I don't think this necessitates a new publication record. I added a note about the price increases from Jaffery. My recollection was that I purchased this one directly from Arkham House. However, my copy has no sticker. Personally, I wouldn't add a second scan since we already have one. However, if you feel it's important, you can go ahead and do so. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:16, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I added a link to the new copy because the old one is an ex-library with sticker on front cover, library stamp on copyright page and card jacket inside the cover, etc. Also, the new copy's cover is better then the one on ISFDB in my opinion, with sharper color and more art visible on left and right and bottom (you can see the artist's signature), any objection to my uploading the new cover and replacing the one here? I also noticed there's some kind of slip inside the front flap in the new copy and someone wrote something next to the back flap that looks like 10.00, probably meaningless but noted anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, you can go ahead and upload that cover. That slip looks like a bookplate. Neither that, nor the handwritten note you mention need be mentioned. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:24, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::OK, uploading the cover, ignoring the rest. Just a note that I also have a pending edit adding an Archive.org link to an ex-Canadian library copy of C. Jacobi's AH collection Portraits in Moonlight, but there's no cover so not really helpful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Slipstream Journal ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I suspect there is a good reason why you added the series number to the notes {{P|394841|here}} and not elsewhere. What's wrong with doing it as these submissions? Please reject them if they are wrong... [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621013 #1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621014 #2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621012 #3], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5621011 #4]. Thanks, kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:05, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev<br />
:The reason I moved the issue number to the notes was because I was removing it from the title field so that it would conform to the standards. See [[Template:PublicationFields:Title|this help template]] 3rd and last bullets. As I didn't want to lose the issue number data, I moved it to the notes. The last time this standard was discussed, I recall that it was proposed that a new field be added for the issue numbers (volume and issue or whole number). However I don't recall if there was decision to move forward with proposal. Regardless, a [[Template:PublicationFields:Title|publication series]] should not be used for magazines or fanzines. Magazines/Fanzines are handled differently from other types of publications. For example, the rules for the title field and the fact that all issues from a given year with a given editor share a singe title record. The series for Magazines/Fanzines is handled with a title series. I'll go ahead and reject those edits. Let me know if something is unclear or if you have further questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:48, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Holdstock - Mythago Wood ==<br />
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Hi Ron, does your {{P|604046|1st printing}} contain an excerpt? If it does, I can enter it as:<br />
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:299 * Avilion (excerpt) * (2014-11-27) * short fiction by Robert Holdstock<br />
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Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:27, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:It does. Thanks for finding that and you can go ahead and add it. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's good, will do :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:06, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done. I also replaced the Amazon image while I was there - if you could just check that's ok. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:34, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roadmarks pub date ==<br />
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Hi Ron, your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 verified pub] has a pub date of 2022-00-00, although several online sources ([http://zenoagency.com/news/roger-zelaznys-roadmarks-out-today-in-the-uk e.g.]) cite 2023-01-19. Can you check? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 04:57, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The copyright pages states "This edition first published in Great Britain in 2022 by Gollancz..." I would have thought that the 2023-01-19 was a street date. However, I received my copy on January 6, in the US. I checked my emails and the bookseller indicated that it was shipped on December 29. There is also an earlier email from December 25 stating that the publisher had released the book and it was on its way to the bookseller's warehouse. So it does look like while published late in the year, it was published in 2022. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:30, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Finney - The Body Snatchers ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as I'm editing a later printing of this {{P|328224|1st printing}}, I see that both Amazon and orionbooks.co.uk are listing the pub date as 2010-10-14. Would you agree to my amending the date to that. If that's ok, I'll submit. I'd also amend the Intro title date. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:07, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's fine with me. Please amend the note to state that both the month and day are not stated in the book. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. Just check you're happy with the notes wording :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:47, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sterling & Gibson - The Difference Engine ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm editing my 9th printing of {{P|337727|this one}}. In mine the novel ends on page 383, not 384 (and there's the {{P|435107|3rd printing}} as well).<br />
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Also, there are seemingly two versions of this cover. Mine has Gibson above Sterling, the reverse of Amazon's. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:16, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::...and I've done the 3rd printing. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:23, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boulevard Assassin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7270; Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin is titled The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin in the anthology, Resurrected Holmes, where it first appeared but the title in Claremont is actually The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin. Both editions of Resurrected Holmes are on ISFDB but only 1 story was entered in the HC and none in the TP. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:59, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected the title. Feel free to import any missing titles to the anthology records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:53, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You didn't correct the title correctly. Per my note above, title in Lupoff's collection is "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin", original title in Kaye's anthology is "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin". You added "The" but not "s" in "Adventures". So, when you've done that, feel free to enter the title in both editions of the anthology and variant the collection's title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well presumably you have a source for the contents of the anthologies, which I do not. Your source would also perhaps have the page number on which the story occurs. Perhaps you even still have the publication records open in a tab since you presumably looked at them to determine the story was missing. I see no reason to redo research that you've already done. If you don't want to take the effort to add the contents to those anthologies, I wonder why you researched them in the first place. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Regardless of whether you feel like entering the original title of Lupoff's story in the 2 anthology records, which I would think would be necessary since the later title in Lupoff's collection with the extra "s" would need to be made a variant of it, the title was entered incorrectly in the collection when it was first added here long ago and you didn't replace it with the correct title earlier today even though I said above what the correct title is. I have a pending edit adding the Archive.org link to the collection but I didn't fix the title myself because, as you've complained about many times, any changes that aren't minor, which this is not, need to be asked about first. There are 2 PV of the collection, you and some dude named Dmatlock who hasn't been here since 2010, so you are the only active PV. It clearly states in the collection where the story originally came from, so why it wasn't imported to the anthology back whenever you or somebody else entered it is a mystery. Lupoff isn't some obscure author so I would think you would want this done right. You seem to be one of the main PV of the old-time pulp stuff judging by all your verifications of Arkham House books and suchlike, so these Holmes pastiches should be right up your alley; they're not up mine. Perhaps most of the contents are non-genre but Lupoff should still be entered, being above the threshold. You obviously have a copy of the collection since you PV it, but if you really need me to point you to the anthology, here it is: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL9324870M/The_Resurrected_Holmes; they even list the contents in the OL record itself where it can be clearly seen that there's no "s" in the title and they actually list all the page numbers so you don't have to waste time actually opening the book's link. If you can't be bothered with any of this it's no big deal; I have 450 pending edits waiting to be approved. Speaking of which, I can understand why my Moonchasers edits are on hold since Feb. 18 because a TP copy still needs to be found to determine the correct title, but did any of you ever decide per your recent discussion on one of these boards what's to be done about the whole Argo/McElderry/Atheneum publisher/pub. series thing? Because I have 3 of those on hold since Feb. 23. If not, let me know and I'll just cancel all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Sorry, but demanding that another editor submit edits on your behalf, for which you've done the research and only share incomplete information seems particularly petulant. Your held edits are discussed [[User talk:Username#Title Change of One of Multiple Publications with the Same Title|here]] where you've failed to respond, and [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Atheneum publisher.|here]]. There is no consensus yet. You're welcome to join in that discussion. Regarding the numerous other edits of yours that are aging, the ones I've skipped generally fall into two categories. Either they are inadequately sourced, or active verifiers have not been notified. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Maybe I'm not understanding all of this correctly, but you, the PV of a collection where one of the story titles was entered wrong here, being neither the same as the title as it originally appeared in Kaye's anthology or as it actually appears in the collection (and neither the editor who entered the contents or you or anybody in the intervening years seemed to notice it was wrong), and was never made a variant of the parent title because for some reason nobody ever entered the story in the contents of the anthology, had it brought to your attention by me, as I've done with hundreds/thousands of other wrong things entered here by the many editors who came before me, that it was wrong and, instead of saying thanks and fixing the title, and possibly actually entering the story in both editions of the anthology that are on ISFDB so you could make the collection's title a variant of it, decided to argue about this. If you had not bothered to enter the original title in the anthology and just fixed the title in your PV that would have been acceptable but you didn't do that and entered it wrong even though I wrote how it appears and you should know anyway because you actually own the book. The least you could have done if you have some kind of problem with doing anything in books you didn't PV is add a note in the story's record saying "first published in Resurrected Holmes" or something similar so people would know where it came from but I don't see any note. There's nothing petulant about this, it's simply making sure a book you PV has correct info entered, which may not be required but seems like the right thing to do on a site that claims to be about accuracy; Lord knows I've corrected countless things in other books that are PV. As for the edits you skipped, they are being taken care of now and then by other mods and, as far as I can recall, every single one of them was approved, so it seems to me that your skipping them is more out of spite than because there was really anything wrong with them; it's not relevant, anyway, because the vast majority of those 450 pending edits are very recent and weren't skipped but are just laying there because of the complete disorganization here (made even worse by the recent server move) in getting edits approved in a timely manner, as can be seen by the many messages on the boards complaining that edits are taking a long time to get approved. Whatever your real problem is, I don't care. I don't like most of the people here, their childishness or anger not to mention the low quality of much of their editing, but I continue to do what I do because my personal feelings mean nothing; this is a site about books. So you can do what I suggest or not, whatever, none of this really means anything, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:03, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Silverberg's ''Needle in a Timestack'' cover art ==<br />
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Hi Ron, quick question for a side project I'm working on: How is the cover art credited on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?834559 verified pub]? If it's just a picture agency/library and not an artist, which agency? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 12:11, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Actually I have the same question for many of the recent Masterworks: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943091 Lord Valentine's Castle], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?798420 Bold As Love], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?810578 Desolation Road], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?826915 The Best of Greg Egan], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854301 White Queen], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865798 Kairos], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 Roadmarks], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 Nineteen Eighty-Four], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 Life], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?873253 The Chronicles of Amber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908772 The Second Chronicles of Amber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897 Growing Up Weightless] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897 The Secret of Life]. I think it's a shame the series are using so many generic stock images these days, and I'd much rather they commissioned artists. Anyway, sorry for your trouble, and thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 12:26, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You and [[User:BanjoKev|Kev]] are killing me with the Masterwoks titles ;-) I agree with you about the stock images. Although, I generally like the covers. I'm not sure that I agree that the various companies should be listed as artists and generally don't list them for the records I enter. I know other do, and I've no objection if folks add the names to my publications. Anyway, I thing I've got them all:<br />
:::* {{P|834559|Needle in a Timestack}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|943091|Lord Valentine's Castle}} - Image © Gerry Images<br />
:::* {{P|798420|Bold As Love}} - Images © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|810578|Desolation Road}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|826915|The Best of Greg Egan}} - Illustration © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|854301|White Queen}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|865798|Kairos}} - Image © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|930344|Roadmarks}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873253|Nineteen Eighty-Four}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873102|Life}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|873253|The Chronicles of Amber}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|908772|The Second Chronicles of Amber}} - Cover image Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|913897|Growing Up Weightless}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::* {{P|916090|The Secret of Life}} - Photography © Shutterstock<br />
:::Hope that's helpful --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for the accolade Ron, just when I needed a good laugh :) (...just come along with us, Sir, and mind your head as you get in the car...). Seriously though, I don't think "generic stock images" quite describes what's happening. People who create images put them up to these image libraries in the hope that someone (a publishing house perhaps) will want to use them. I don't think anybody "at", say, Shutterstock actually creates any images - they might provide several images to Gateway and then Gateway arranges them. Sometimes the agency gets the copyright, sometimes the creator, depends on their T&Cs. Take a look at the notes in this pub, Doc Smith's {{P|700037|Galactic Patrol}}. I searched for ages on Shutterstock to eventually find the artist. In that case, one artist created the whole image, but in, say, your White Queen, there are likely two elements to that picture, created by "artists" but the credit goes to Shutterstock. Anyway, that's my 2p, I hope you don't mind me jumping in. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:46, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 submitting] an edit to this {{P|602865|1st printing}}. Would you take a look and let me know if you are agreeable to the essay title changes in particular, as well as the addition of the 3rd essay. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:32, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My first impression is that I don't really agree with the title changes for the essays. To me, that really looks like a simple author credit for each essay. Also, if we do change the title, I'm not sure is we still need the parenthetical disambiguator. However, they are also singed at the end. I'll add an inquiry on the Community Portal to see what other folks think, and hold the edit pending that discussion. The rest of the edit is fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:44, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for putting that up to the portal Ron, it's cleared up something that's been nagging at me for a while. I've cancelled the original and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5628098 resubmitted], amending the titling errors. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:40, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nailed By the Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372; I'm not sure what happened there, but I made another edit with right link; however, while doing that, I noticed that the original Brit HC/PB and the 2010 edition have totally different art and yet Steve Crisp is credited on the back of both. Since his ISFDB page stops in 2005 (except for a 2017 cover that may or may not be original) and the 2010 art doesn't look like his usual style and is just the usual modern mass-market stock photo, I think his credit there is in error and was just reprinted from the old editions. But who knows, just mentioning it in case anyone knows and can unmerge if he really did both or delete his credit from 2010 if he didn't do that one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:59, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Union ==<br />
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Hi Ron, <br />
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I was working on forthcoming books and Fixer found the new Dragon Soul Press anthology which got me to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938978 this record]. After fixing quite a lot of issues which one would expect to be caught during moderation (see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JarlFrank#Union my message to the user]), I noticed that you moderated but never edited it after that - probably an oversight so just heads up - especially as it is a new editor who won't learn how to do things if we do not help them :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:47, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about that. I did miss the poorly formed suffix and the amazon link. I noted the format was not entered, and thought that odd, but I generally give quite a bit of deference to primarily verified submissions. Regarding the add this ASIN. I thought our policy was to not add those when an ISBN is present. I did catch a similar error on another submission and advised the submitter that there is no need to add a link as Amazon links are auto generated in the sidebar. My understanding was that is the same reason for not adding ASINs when there is and ISBN. In any case, I'll try to be more careful going forward. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: This is an ISBN starting with 979. These do not form their ASINs by getting the ISBN10 as these do not exist - so the side link cannot create a link for these books as the side bar (try to click on it to see what happens and compare that to a 978 ISBN book ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?936640 for example]) and the Amazon URLs in general use the ASIN and not the ISBN so switching the bar to ISBN13 is not an option. So for books with 979 ISNBs, we generally also want the ASIN (it always starts with B) so we can have a link to Amazon. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:08, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm getting a valid link in the sidebar for the US Amazon from the book with the 979 isbn and it does not appear to be forming it from the ASIN external id (<nowiki>https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_66%3A9798376838440&tag=isfdb-20</nowiki>). I also tried a random publication {{P|911048}} with an ISBN starting with a 979 and no ASIN. Again, the Amazon US sidebar link if fine. My recollection is that I noticed the comment discouraging adding ASINs in a conversation on one of the boards. It was some years ago, and I don't believe it is documented anywhere, so perhaps I was mistaken. Perhaps someone was trying to move traffic to the sidebar links to that we would get the commission on the sale. I believe that is moot now as I recall Amazon discontinued that program, although we still have a disclaimer on the links. In any case the sidebar links seem to be fine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: It drops you into the search screen with the whole book selected but NOT into the edition as a 978 ISBN link or an ASIN link does. We do not record ASINs which are ISBN10; if they start with B, we always record them. And that had been documented [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here]: "Look for the "ASIN" line in the "Product Details" section of the page. If the ASIN matches the ISBN10 of the book, do not record it. Most ASINs will start with B but for some older books, there may be exceptions." for a long time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:52, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959 ==<br />
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For your verified {{P|61294|The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959}}, I updated the title of the story on page 5 from "Tenth Time Around" to "Tenth Time Round" based on the [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v016n05_1959-05_PDF/page/n3/mode/2up Internet Archive scan]. This seemed pretty straightforward based on the scan, but let me know if on the off chance there were two versions of this magazine and we need updates. I am posting this message on all active verifiers' pages. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:32, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Venture Science Fiction [UK] ==<br />
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Our [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29404 Venture Science Fiction &#91;UK&#93;] records contain a publication note of "Editor from Tymn & Ashley [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?88429 here]." Where the here is a title record link to {{T|88429|The Inscrutable God}}. I am assuming this was supposed to be a publication record link as the corresponding publication record number is {{P|88429|Science Fiction, Fantasy and Weird Fiction Magazines}}. Since you have verified that publication, would you mind checking if that is the correct source? If so, I will update the records to fix the link. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, Tymn & Ashley list Ronald R. Wickers as the editor while also noting that he is not credited in the magazine itself. Neither {{Tuck}} nor Miller/Contento list an editor. As an aside here, it may be worthwhile to create a [[Help:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields|template]] for Tymn and Ashley to be used in these instances. A few days ago, I thought about asking if one could be created for {{Series|36285|Chalker/Owings}}, but there are several editions of that, so it's hard to link to a specific publication. I've no idea how difficult the notes field templates are to create. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:29, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. The uncredited part matches the one issue whose scan I found on Internet Archive. I will update the records. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:56, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Naomi Kanakia ==<br />
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Am I to understand that she needs to publish 50 more titles before isfdb respects her name change? [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 17:39, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No disrespect is intended. We are a bibliographical database and thus we reflect what has been published. The canonical name of an author is not meant to imply that it is the author's preferred name nor their legal name. It is simply the name by which they are most commonly known in genre publications. In this case Naomi has had many more works published using the name Rahul than she has as Naomi. Please see [[Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this help template]] and [[ISFDB:FAQ#How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?|this FAQ]] for further information on how we determine canonical name. I hope this helps you to understand why her bibliography appears as it does. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:26, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Is there any way I can propose a change of policy? [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 20:56, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You absolutely can. Changes have been proposed before and I looked for the prior discussions while composing my original response but was unable to find them. The place to propose policy changes is [[Rules and standards discussions]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:02, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks! [[User:Pnppl|Pnppl]] ([[User talk:Pnppl|talk]]) 21:06, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Summon, Bind, Banish ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?323471; I have a pending edit with Archive.org link, Mamatas story has commas, already on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=banish&type=All+Titles, fix/merge needed. I discovered this while adding links to stories from Apex Magazine's online days, which seem to have disappeared from the modern web and only exist as archived pages now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:41, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. I also removed the comment about the story's first appearance in ''Apex'' as its appearance in ''Bandersnatch'' predates the magazine publication. By the way, [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/fmi/j00/j00046.htm#A164 FictionMags] indexes the online version of ''Apex'' if you're interested. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:02, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've been using the index to add stories that were originally published somewhere else before Apex; once I got to the Mamatas story they apparently started breaking stories up into separate pages, the old click-bait scheme, and the story after Mamatas, by Jay Lake, doesn't have the second page archived, so I think I'm done with that. Added nearly 2 dozen, though. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MFFS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644683; There's a 6-page unsigned intro that's not mentioned here, in case you think it needs adding to contents/mentioning in notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:17, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:48, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruno E. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?947748; I own an edition of the American book but you just entered the original Brit edition; problem is, as was discussed here by some people not so long ago, the cover artist was credited differently sometimes. In this case, per back cover, it's Bruno Ellitori, which is a variation not yet on ISFDB and judging by text search there's no other book on Archive.org with that particular spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:30, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, I got that from one of the secondary sites. Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:17, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - The Thunder-Thieves (afterword) ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you have a look at {{P|29759|this title}}. Is that correct or should it be "Afterword (The Thunder-Thieves)" ? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:17, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev -<br />
:I'm going to stick with the current titling. Both the poem and the subsequent essay are under a single title page (on page 239), i.e. the essay does not have a separate title. It's much longer than the poem. Thus I think using the same title as for the poem with a disambiguator is closest to how it appears in the book. I'll add a note to the essay explaining that it is not separately titled. I'll assume that the paperback presents these in the same manner. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:35, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's helped me be clear as to its identity. The titling stood out a mile on Asimov's summary page amongst all the "Afterword (piece name)" formats.<br />
::and btw, in case it got lost in the mix, I've added to the "Robot Visions" thread, above. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:01, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolf Leader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648658; Changes OK? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:49, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They're fine. I've approved the edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:38, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Summer Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1918982; Made some edits for T. Due's collection, bunch of stuff was wrong, I didn't change the artist because you PV an art book that included the cover, real artists are Sten Schneider and Vesperity-Stock. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:53, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The cover in the WFC Souvenir Book does not have an artist credit. We don't use "uncredited" for artist credits when the acutual artist is known. I've updated both art records with the correct artists. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:51, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Avati ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650644; Barcode on back says 3999, not $39.95. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:29, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:29, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula: or the Adventure of the Sanguinary Count, by John H. Watson, M.D. ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287233 Your pub] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406844 this pub] look like duplicates. Any concerns about me merging the newer one into your entry? [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:25, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are different. Mine lacks the first edition statement mentioned in your edition and is presumably a later printing. It does have the 1978 date on the title page. The publication month is from an unknown source and was added to the record prior to my verification. In any case, they shouldn't be merged. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:04, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== GToFaI ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363044; This, https://archive.org/details/bwb_T2-FPH-238, says 3rd on copyright page, you say 2nd. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:48, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:52, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monter - Monster? ==<br />
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Hello Ron, is {{T|2092130|this title}} really Monter? Could you transliterate the hyphen while you're there please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:28, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:53, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Alderburn ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/external_id_search_results.cgi?ID_TYPE=12&OPERATOR=contains&ID_VALUE=GB; I just made an edit with Archive.org link to Bride and saw the GB WorldCat ID; those 2 linked above are the only ones with GB here, both entered by you, so should they be some other ID, not WorldCat? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, that should have been BNB. Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:16, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK, but does the other one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?941692, need fixing, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry, but it's rather confusing when you paste bare urls in the wiki. Perhaps individual links to each publication with either wiki markup (the link tool in the toolbar), or using the [[Template:P|publication template]] would make your posts easier to understand. I looked at this while at work, so I didn't have time to deal with it for more than a moment. My recollection is the link returned a single publication which I fixed. The other one is now fixed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think the problem might be your computer setup, something I vaguely remember us discussing a long time ago when you complained about something similar, because on my end clicking the link I provided showed both Bride and the other book just fine, and later after you fixed Bride but before you left your first response here the link showed just the other book. After you fixed the other book it now says "No matching records found". So all of that makes perfect sense to me. My writing "the 2 linked above" and "only ones" and "both" and "they" was probably a good indication that I was talking about more than 1 book. Jargon about "wiki markup" and templates is pointless because I'm no computer expert, just a regular person, so I have no idea what that stuff means. Perhaps part of the problem as to why you made these ID mistakes and all the countless others I've had to fix or asked you to fix is the same reason you didn't notice my clear message about 2 books, because you're doing this while you're preoccupied with work and not giving it your full attention. I'm not sure why you didn't just wait until you were done with work before you looked into this issue. There's no hurry, obviously, since I currently have nearly 1,300 pending edits awaiting approval. Gratitude, not attitude. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Since you are editing a wiki, I assume that you are comfortable with the the terms used in editing wikis. In fact you you use the signature tool in your posts. However, you balk at using the link tool which is in the same toolbar (or perhaps you are hand typing the signature markup, but refuse to hand type the link markup). The link to the publication template that I provided explains how to use it with examples. I'm not sure what the number of pending edits has to do with this discussion. In any case, I've given you suggestions on how to better communicate and make your posts easier to read. If you can't be bothered to make your posts more readable, misunderstandings will continue to happen. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:09, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'm tired of talking about this. I used advanced search to find books with WorldCat ID that included "GB", 2 results were found and my link above showed both books, and both were no longer there after you fixed their ID. Simple, and even if your computer didn't allow you to see that my several uses of plural terms in my message made it obvious there were 2 books with wrong ID, so your "recollection" of the link only showing 1 book makes no sense. So my point about the reason for all these mistakes and often further problems when I ask you to fix them being due to you doing other things at the same time and not giving ISFDB your full attention seems likely. Obviously work is more important, this stuff is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but my suggestion somewhere on this site recently to a mod that the webmasters, whoever they are, should look into "hiring" more mods seems logical, since many here now are either too busy with work/moving/hospital/doing background coding on the site instead of approving edits, or have seemingly lost interest/are angry at one or more people here, thus the enormous backlog of pending edits with mine being the majority because I usually do so many every day but also several hundred from other editors. Editors don't have to do things exactly the same way you do them; the problem isn't me adding a URL link because I've done that in hundreds of other messages and people seem to see them just fine, the problem was not entering those ID properly and then not reading my message properly about fixing the ID because you were rushed at work. You and the others here have certainly never had a problem since I started here a few years ago complaining about every little mistake I make so you shouldn't have a problem when I do the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:55, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Delaware ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649495; https://delaware.gov/artistroster/artistProfile.php?aid=365. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:48, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, it would have saved a lot of time if you had documented your source in the original edit. I can approve this edit if you agree to add the additional link, or if you'd prefer you can enter this edit again with both links. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't think it was necessary because when I typed "born Delaware Margiotta" on Google the first site that came up was the one above, so your "but I can't find anything stating it is her birth place" doesn't make sense; where do you search? I've been told, or someone else was told, I can't remember, that it's only required when the person's info is not publicly available and comes from a private or not-easily-found source; this couldn't be more easily found. So approve it, if I remember I'll add the link, if not you can add it or nobody can, who cares, I'm tired of these constant rejections and complaints for no legitimate reason except personal ones; my time is just as important as yours. P.S. I also left a message on CP about the Hitler cover you rejected because the cover artist is almost certainly wrong, not being mentioned in the book and by an artist who died long before Hitler was known by anyone, so hopefully someone will find out which cover the artist really did and that rejection can be un-rejected, too. Just because SFE says it's by him means nothing; they, like all other online sites including this one, are unreliable and from personal experience they've been wrong many times before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry, I'm not willing to rely on whether you remember to fix the record, so please re-enter the edit with both links. I stated in the rejection message that I couldn't find her birth place in the source you did add in the edit. You've been asked several times to site your sources. There isn't an exception if the source can be found in Google. I'll also point out that moderators can approve more edits if you don't require them to do extra work. You've stated that edits aren't approved as quickly as you like. Well, properly sourcing your edits would be one way you could speed up their approval. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Locus Award category names ==<br />
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Hi, I'm pinging you as the most prolific - by an order of magnitude ;-) - creator of award records. I've just added the last of this year's Locus top 10 nominees, and I noticed a couple of things that I was a bit puzzled by.<br />
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I'm using [https://locusmag.com/2023/04/2023-locus-awards-top-ten-finalists-2/ this page on their site] as reference. Amongst the category subheadings, it has "PUBLISHER" and "ILLUSTRATED AND ART BOOK", so I've added those respectively as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?367+1 Best Publisher] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?332+1 Best Art or Illustrated Book]. The latter isn't an exact match for what's on that locusmag.com page, but seemed closer than [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?331+0 Best Art Book]. Most recent publisher entries have been recorded under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?370+0 Best Publisher/Imprint], rather than "(Best) Publisher" which is what I've used for this year's entries.<br />
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Do you have any recollection about what the correct names for these are, or what the definitive reference might be? I've not looked at previous year's pages on locusmag.com - and I haven't seen a copy of the mag since before the pandemic - but I see that the SFADB entries for [http://www.sfadb.com/Locus_Awards_2022 2022] and [http://www.sfadb.com/Locus_Awards_2021 2021] have different names for this pair of categories for those 2 years, which doesn't match what what we have. <br />
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Thanks for any thoughts you might have. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:21, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Hi ErsatzCulture -<br />
::I don't know that we have any documented standards for naming award categories. The way I've approached it previously is that minor differences in category names should probably be ignored (e.g. "Science Fiction Novel" vs "Best SF Novel") My theory is that there is usefulness in looking at a category as a whole and seeing all the years for that category together. That being said, when a category name changes enough to denote something new is included (for locus see the non-fiction, related, art categories). I've also let previous categories remain as they are unless I have a good reason to believe they should be changed. As to what the authoritative source for the category names for Locus, I would refer to the magazine where they are presented. I skimmed through this years issues and I don't see the ballot for 2023. I did find last July's issue with the winners announcement and the categories are nearly identical to what we have for 2022. The differences being "Best Non-Fiction Book" (mag, winners) vs "Best Non-Fiction" (mag, full results) vs "Best Non-Fiction" (us); "Best Book Publisher" (mag, winners) vs "Best Publisher/Imprint" (mag, full results) vs "Best Publisher/Imprint" (us). The 2022 ballot (top ten) is [https://locusmag.com/2022/05/2022-locus-awards-top-ten-finalists/ here]. Maybe my memory about standardizing categories is faulty as last years seem to match the categories as listed in the full results exactly.<br />
::Clearly, Locus can alter the names between ballot, winner announcement and full results. I would probably stick with what we used last year to start with and make adjustments when the full results are published, if they seem necessary. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks for response. I'll leave these two 2023 categories as-is for now, and if they get changed when the final results are announced, I guess they can/should be changed then.<br />
::: One minor positive side-effect of this is that I've dusted off some incomplete code I wrote ages ago to report on when award categories were run, and fixed it. This has highlighted that there are gaps in our data:<br />
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$ ./award_categories.py -W "Locus Poll Award" -c "publisher"<br />
= Locus Poll Award =<br />
* Best Book Publisher [1972-1974, 1980-1990, 1993-1999]<br />
* Best Book Publisher/Imprint [2000-2003]<br />
* Best Publisher [1977-1978, 1991-1992, 2023]<br />
* Best Publisher - hardcover [1975-1976]<br />
* Best Publisher - Paperback (old) [1975-1976]<br />
* Best Publisher/Imprint [2004, 2009-2022]<br />
# There are no awards on record for the years 1979, 2005-2008<br />
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SFADB doesn't have anything for 1979, but does have data for 2005-2008. If no-one else beats me to it, I'll add those 4 years at some point, but I've had my fill of Locus right now, so it won't be for a week or two at least... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:46, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== August Derleth ==<br />
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We seem to have duplicate entries for {{T|1009500|August Derleth}}. The version with less information (no contents, no cover, etc.) has your secondary verification for Reginald3. It looks like that should be moved over to the more complete record and the less complete one deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:01, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2021 Locus Poll Award ==<br />
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A quick question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?69581 this Locus Poll award] which you added in 2021. The Note field currently reads "For Inclusivity, Representation, and Education". However, the [https://locusmag.com/2021/06/2021-locus-awards-winners/ announcement reads] "Amplifying diverse voices". Would you happen to remember where "For Inclusivity, Representation, and Education" comes from? TIA!<br />
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Also, as an FYI, I have changed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78672 2020 award] based on Dave Langford's update -- see the Note field for details. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:23, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I got that language from the [https://file770.com/2021-locus-awards/ File 770] announcement, which is where I usually learn about award news. I've no objection to changing the note. I can check later in the magazine if you'd like. With the research done for [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]]'s question above, we've determined that the locus.com and magazine publications can be slightly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:32, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the clarification! Both announcements look plausible, so I have updated the Notes field of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?69581 our award record] to reflect what they say and added links. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:39, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - Robot Visions ==<br />
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Hello Ron, just letting you know I've completed all the edits affecting {{T|517297|the main title}} and which arose from our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Robot_Visions earlier conversation] above. If you have time have a look. Please let me know if you find anything amiss. I'll drop a note on Fjh's page to let him know too. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:10, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi Kev <br />
:There is one issue that I have with the changes now that they're done. That is the title of {{T|3175000|The Bicentennial Man (frontispiece)}}. As I explained in my post at 18:49, 16 April 2023 (EDT) in the above thread, I feel fairly strongly that the title of this should be "Robot Visions (frontispiece)". As I argued above, the frontispiece is for the collection as a whole, not just for the story "The Bicentennial Man". There's a lot in that topic, so perhaps you missed that point. Other than that, things look good. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:10, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Good, I'm glad you found that, it will look much better. I've submitted the change :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::And...fixed. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:57, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Looks good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:59, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Teresa T. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401191; Tunaly is credited as Tunaley elsewhere on ISFDB; mistake or variant? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It was a typo and I've fixed it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:36, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stapledon - Odd John ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you are joint PV for the {{P|373991|1st printing}}. I'm editing a 3rd printing of this edition and yours is the only one extant to clone from. I notice a couple of things that don't seem quite right and propose the following for your copy (which will also apply to mine):<br />
* Pages change x+208+[2] to x+208. There isn't any "...additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record" (from the help).<br />
*:I agree completely. I think these bracketed numbers are frequently misused. If Pete agrees, please go ahead with this change.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT) <br />
* Title record {{T|1403847|1403847}}. Change date 2011-03-00 to 2012-03-00. This looks like a simple typo - I can find no reference to a 2011 Roberts Introduction.<br />
*:Sure. I'm not sure how that was introduced as new content takes the date of the container unless specifically specified. Perhaps the publication record was dated incorrectly and subsequently changed.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
* Apart from that I have an image to replace the Amazon one and can add the publisher (Gollancz / Orion).<br />
*:I'm fine with the publisher change. The Amazon image matches my copy and is one of the stable URLs. I've no issues with changing it as long as it still matches.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
What do you think? If you agree, I can make the changes while I'm processing my 3rd printing. I've posted the same to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Stapledon_-_Odd_John Pete's page]. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:01, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Responses inline above. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:43, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Ron, I'll wait for Pete's reply. On the covers, to reassure you, I'm always very careful with replacements, checking for text alignment and looking for all the things that I know publishers (Gollancz in particular) like to fiddle with, sometimes to only small degrees :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Pete has agreed to the changes so I'll submit them before I clone for my printing. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:31, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Now I'm submitting the changes, I see the [https://www.orionbooks.co.uk/titles/olaf-stapledon/odd-john/9780575072244/?v2=true Orion website] gives 2012-03-08 as the published date. Are you happy with me amending that? Sorry I didn't spot it earlier. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:40, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::That's fine. You can proceed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:37, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Haldeman - The Forever War ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you're PV2 {{P|500093|here}}. On the title record page for the {{T|847613|Author's Note}} I can't find the origin of the 1997-08-00 date. Could you sleuth it please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:41, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I can't with complete certainty. However, my edition does list 1997 as one of the copyright dates. Further, the August 1987 {{P|40063|Avon edition}} has the following note in its Locus1 listing: "According to the author’s note, this is the “definitive” version." Further still, Locus1's note for the 1997 {{P|40062|SFBC edition}} states "This has a 1997 copyright, but lacks the author’s note of the “definitive” version published last month by AvoNova...". Given those statements, I think we could safely import the note into the 1997 Avon edition. I'm certain that the record was added prior to my verification. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::There's lots of editions available and while trying to add a link to original '74 St. Martin's which ironically is the most recently uploaded, https://archive.org/search?query=1974+forever-war+joe-haldeman, it turned out it's a book club (?) edition which is missing the "first printing" on copyright page, so it seems it's an edition not on ISFDB. I just added an eBay link with a note, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671796. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:21, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ron, I'll import the Author's Note into the August 1987 {{P|40063|Avon edition}} and add a note referencing the Locus1 entry and your {{P|500093|11th printing}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:34, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Destiny Times Three (Part 1 of 2) ==<br />
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For "Destiny Times Three (Part 1 of 2)" in {{P|57566|Astounding Science Fiction, March 1945}}, it looks like the credit should be Fritz Leiber, Jr. (instead of Fritz Leiber) per the Internet Archive scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:08, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. Fixed. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Best Tales of Hoffmann ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=best-tales-of-hoffmann&sort=-addeddate; Edition with $2.00 on cover just uploaded, $6.95 in your PV high for 1967, you may want to adjust price/add other editions using this info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:02, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Actually, mine is priced at $3.00 which is very difficult to see. I've cloned the record we have for my edition and another for the $6.95 edition. I've removed the price and the ISBN from the 1967 edition. It's unlikely that it had an ISBN then. The archive scan with the yellow cover is a good candidate for the first printing, but we can't say for sure. Unfortunately, Dover didn't go in much for providing printing history or marking first editions. It looks like they may have gotten better at some point. Tuck is the only verified secondary source which has a price ($2.50) which disagrees with the $2.00 price of the scanned copy. Whether Tuck is in error, or the price was reduced at some point requires additional research. Thanks for pointing this out. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:40, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The 1968 Budrys review was easy to find and has the $2.00 price. I think that's enough evidence that the scanned copy is the first edition. I'll update accordingly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tragedy of Macbeth ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Macbeth]]. We currently have a 1988 Shakespeare review linked to a 1997 retelling by Coville. You have verified one of the pubs containing this review so would you mind checking if this should linked to the original Shakespeare story instead? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Strugatsky - The Snail on the Slope ==<br />
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Hello Ron, with regard to our PVd {{P|730349|1st printing}}, I propose changing the coverart credit to Getty Images. It's my understanding that, as a rule, we don't credit designers. Someone authored this image and made it available through Getty and the copyright is with Getty. To credit Getty with authorship is not to say they created the image, if that makes sense. If you think my reasoning is sound, then the {{T|2645121|title record}} will need amending. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:36, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, it clearly shouldn't be Almeida. Personally, I don't ordinarily like crediting Getty who, as you say, is the copyright holder and not the cover artist. I'm uncomfortable with it for that reason, though I know others have added credits that way. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:21, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I find it easier to think of the photo-stock library as the intermedial link between our credit and the artist responsible. I also used to feel ambivalent about adding a library as credit until I went looking on Shutterstock's site for the artist who created the works that Gollancz used for their Golden Age Masterworks series. Using their image search function I found {{P|700041|Tithi Luadthong}} and all the rest of her works for the series. My reasoning now is that, <i>where the art merits it</i>, we ought to point the way to finding the actual identity - if someone has the time or inclination. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:09, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think it would be fine to include this in the notes, but I don't think it should be added as the cover artist. I did a bit of searching to see if this had been discussed, and there are discussions including [[Rules and standards discussions/Archive/Archive14#Entering authors as credited--complex attributions|this discussion]] on the R&S board from 2016. There is also [[User talk:BanjoKev#Getty Images and similar|this one]] from your own talk page. The consensus seems to be that these sorts of credits should not be used in the cover artist field. However, as I said, they are fine in the notes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:51, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Ha. I'd completely forgotten about that thread on my own page. Doh. Muchas for finding that, and the one on the Rules & Standards page is very good. Is deleting the Almeida at title level the best way to do this? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'll go ahead and take care of it. You can either remove the title from the publication or blank out the name in the publication record. Either way will result in an orphan title record (for the COVERART) which will have to be deleted. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:36, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks! While you're on Almeida, there's another which may be suspect, your PV {{P|671399|1st printing here}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:28, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::That credit states "Illustration by Tomás Almeida", so I think we're good. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:04, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosmos ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33498; I just added an Archive.org link in an edit to this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?147141, and copyright page says published by Dorchester so should publisher be re-named to what it is in the first link I provided here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:41, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I wouldn't say so. It's only on Cosmos on the title page which is an imprint of Wildside. You need to check with the other primary verifiers who are all active. If they wish to change it, I won't object, but I don't think it's necessary. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:19, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Visitants ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5677110; Intro is "of Sorts". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:00, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Held Submissions ==<br />
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Ron, we're both holding submissions pending a resolution [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Atheneum_publisher. here]. The discussion appears abandoned. Based on the title page, I disagree with the submissions I'm holding. What what are your thoughts? We should apply whatever is decided to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?76275 these] as well. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:51, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I just re-read the thread, and my sense is that the consensus was that Argo would be listed as a publication series rather than listed as an additional imprint of the publisher. Some of the ones I'm holding are for changing "Aladdin / Atheneum" to " Aladdin / Margaret K. McElderry / Atheneum" which doesn't seem as clear cut. I'll drop another note on that thread and see if we can kick-start the discussion to reach a final consensus. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:06, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FantLab Artist Image ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678984; I don't know what happened with this, whether it was my error or some change they made between my edit and approval, but I made another edit with the correct image. Is there a way to check ISFDB for any other "missing" FantLab images which show that cartoon image? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:35, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Advanced search allows you search authors by author image (i.e. the URL). That would find any where the URL is identical. There are other operators (starts with or ends with) that may be useful if you can determine if there is a pattern in the URLs for the cartoon images. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:45, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brunner - The Shockwave Rider ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I just checked [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671070 this submission] but I can't find that I did in fact tell you of the changes. I'm sorry for that oversight. I'm expanding the notes and, of course, preserving your original data. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:56, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No worries. Since I was the approving moderator, I gave it a look before I approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:52, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Phew! Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:47, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jimgrim Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679967; I saw the name and added it. SFE only credits Ricca for this cover but they did mainstream covers, too. Maybe a first name for the artist will turn up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:03, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Note Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648635; Is my note fix correct? If so, this can be un-rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:16, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm good with that change. However, there are two other primary verifiers who are active and I don't see that you've asked them as well. All primary verifiers need to be consulted before changing data on their publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If you're referring to MartyD and Chavey, 1 is a transient PV so they wouldn't have a copy to check and the other hasn't responded to anyone on their page for a year. So you can decide what to do with this. I'm just trying to get the several rejections of my edits today un-rejected (although 2 were rejected and then my info was entered by a mod in their own edits without letting me know about it once they realized they had rejected mine incorrectly). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:30, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::A transient verification doesn't excuse you from the requirement to ask before submitting the edit. Some years ago, transient verifications were the only way to add an additional verifier after all of the limited slots (there were 5 as I recall) were taken. [[User:Chavey|Darrah]] is still active and has made edits as recently as May 21 in the main database and on April 7 in the Wiki. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:41, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::So I should ask a transient PV to check a copy they don't have anymore so they can say, "I don't have a copy and can't check"? And Chavey, or Darrah as you call them, may still make edits but doesn't respond to messages on their page, which I know because I see 37 messages from me and the last one they answered was in May of 2022 and even that was answered nearly 2 months after I asked. So I don't see the point in asking about a note that someone, probably not Marty or Chavey judging by edit history, made a minor mistake in by entering the wrong year. Forget it. Nobody else ever noticed or fixed it in the years it's been there so obviously it's not really important. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:55, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Animal Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?168962; This book is already on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:23, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:18, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== NtSNtS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5682165; There's a foreword dated 1978, apparently original to this edition, that could be added and other prices on back cover are blacked out so those could be added, too, assuming your copy has the foreword and visible prices. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:33, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:38, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit History Glitch? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23; Chavey's 2014 edit is indented; is that a problem that should be fixed or does it not matter? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:19, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:While I am a programmer, I don't work in Python and thus I don't work on our software. You might try asking [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:22, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Actually, I can tell why it's happening. The edit question added HTML to the title of the record, which is being interpreted when the affected title is displayed in the edit history. Specifically, the title was updated to make it into an unordered list of one item, which the browser interprets with an indent and a bullet. If you look at the raw XML for that edit, it becomes clear. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:27, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kirsch, et al - Aldous Huxley, 1894-1963 ==<br />
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Hello Ron, re this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?928819 edit history], I'm submitting a correction to the date (1894-1980 -> 1894-1963) per the Reginald3 entry. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:38, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As you are the only one in the edit history, and you have Reginald3, I'm hoping you'll be able to tell what happened with the titling. Could you moderate [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5683050 this submission] accordingly? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:59, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It was just a typo. Edit approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:40, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The City and the Stars ==<br />
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Ron, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5672924 this submission] affects one of your verified publications. Another mod approved the original change to the 1973 edition. I approved the subsequent submissions for the pubs with inactive pv. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:24, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Approved and merged. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:59, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RuneQuest ==<br />
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Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?954633 this one] definitely eligible for inclusion? AFAIK RuneQuest - at least as of the late 70s - is/was just an RPG ruleset and setting, not a novel. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RuneQuest#History Wikipedia] thinks the 1979 one is a second edition, FWIW. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:53, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I added that because it is listed in {{Reginald3}}. I am familiar with the RPG and played it back in high school. I recall that I played the 2nd edition and that it included Greg Stafford as an author. I am also aware that there is other fiction based on the campaign setting (e.g. {{T|186148|this}}). Reginald describes it as "fiction" and lists the authors as Perrin and Turney only with a 1979 date. Perhaps the Perrin/Turney edition includes enough fictional content to qualify. The only record I found in Worldcat for a Perrin/Turney edition is [https://www.worldcat.org/title/8673087 this 1980 printing] by a different publisher. I'd prefer to keep it in. I chose to enter it as a novel because of the length and Reginald's description as fiction. We don't really have a good type for fiction that isn't a traditional novel or story. I thought I had included a note about the Reginald description, but it doesn't seem to be there. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:17, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I was under the impression that RPGs were explicitly excluded, but on examining [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] there is no mention of them, whether pro or anti. I then trawled back through the Rules & Standards archives, and had to go back ~15 years before I found anything that mentions them in the item heading. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive05#What_is_an_RPG.3F That item] starts off ''"I know Role Playing Games are out but I don't know for sure what an RPG is"'', but (a) much of the discussion is about gamebooks, which are probably a different topic, and (b) doesn't really resolve anything. I don't see any earlier discussion of RPGs there.<br />
:: My concern is that if a new editor sees the RQ entry or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68177 the AD&D ones], they might submit some other RPG book, and wonder why that would likely get rejected by a moderator. I certainly experienced something similar personally when I had a film-related submission rejected in my early days here, but could point to comparable entries already in the DB that had been deemed acceptable. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:12, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Silverberg - Homefaring ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your {{P|227965|PV here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I make those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:21, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's fine. In the future, you only need add a note in the Notes to the Moderator. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:31, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Always do :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:01, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6346; I wrote Kraang as you suggested, he didn't reply (yet) but un-rejected my edit and made one of his own. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:15, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's not how I would have handled it. The publisher and price were specific and I have a hard time believing that an editor created that record intentionally adding false values. Like any negative, it's extremely difficult to prove that an Indiana University Press edition never existed. Absence of evidence not being definitive evidence of absence. I would have left the IUP edition in place and added the BFI as a separate publication record under the same title. Since we still have a note as to the prior record, it can be recreated if proof of the publication can be found. Aside from overwriting the IUP edition, what we couldn't have is a record for the first BFI printing with a price from the IUP printing and a scan from a later BFI printing. For all those reasons, I had to reject your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russ - The Female Man ==<br />
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Hello Ron, while I was entering two printings of this title I noticed that the Amazon image for your {{P|331690|PV here}} has the author's name compressed; different to {{P|952242|this printing}}. The link at the bottom of the notes there, "Compare here", shows the alternative cover (which matches yours). If your copy is not the same as the Amazon image I can upload the correct one for you. What do you think? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:53, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's a subtle difference and I think mine matched the Amazon cover. However, I went ahead and scanned my copy, so there's no question. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:28, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for doing that, it's Gollancz up to their tricks again (they just can't leave the covers alone), changing it between the 1st & 7th printing. I'll add the publisher before I leave :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:38, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Gods and Scarlet Dreams ==<br />
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Ron, I saw one your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?168921 verified publications] on an exception report. The variant was severed and type changed to omnibus on the first collection. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:45, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've put it back the way it was. Both the collections in the omnibus match previously published collections in contents, but the titles of the collections are new to this publication. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:33, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Courts of Chaos ==<br />
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Ron, you're PV3 {{P|129711|here}}. Can you say how a gutter code for August 1978 (print) and a Locus date of November result in the pub date of October? The August part is ok, it's the Oct/Nov that doen't make sense to me. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:43, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It looks like [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] added the publication month and you could reach out to him. However, I think you're confusing the month of the Locus issue, with the publication date reported in Locus, i.e. issue 216 is the {{P|266232|November 1978}} issue. The note doesn't specify what publication date is in that issue. [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] has also verified that issue, if you wish to have someone check. I hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:20, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Ron, and yes, for some reason, I misread November as the pub date rather than the Locus issue date. I've asked Willem to have a look for me. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:18, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I can see the confusion. There are a lot of notes like this, and indeed November is the month of the Locus issue. The publication date comes from the section "Books received - Oktober" in this issue. Hope that helps. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:57, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for looking that up Willem. If it's alright with you two (and I'll ask Biomassbob) I'll change the wording slightly, to make it clearer, and also add a link to the Doubleday gutter code page (it took me a while to find that initially). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:24, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Dark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918858; cover image is broken and I don't see any on Amazon; also, page count is wrong, 3 OL copies with 2 saying Berkley and 220 pages but 1 saying Lancer and 190 pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:16, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Into the Sun & Other Stories ==<br />
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I've uploaded the full wraparound art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18449 this], however, my copy's dustwrapper is a tad damaged so if you have a better one you may wish to replace it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:51, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:While my copy is in good condition, I really don't like posting full wraparound covers and don't do so for my verified publications. My feeling is that we post cover scans which are copyrighted under fair use. I'm not a lawyer, but I worry that going beyond the front cover even in a reduced resolution might be considered beyond fair use. In any case, I don't really want to scan the full cover and would actually prefer that we revert to the original scan of just the front cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:40, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Budrys - Rogue Moon ==<br />
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Hello Ron, you're joint PV with Pete {{P|344978|here}}. I've asked about this pub on [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Budrys_-_Rogue_Moon Pete's page]. Could you drop in and let me know what you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:16, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Morrice ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5695803; I updated the record in case you have anything further to add to it after approval. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:49, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Growing Up Weightless ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913897; Should that be "introduction"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:47, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:55, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== M. Ness ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1884197; I think the 2 items by Marni Ness should be by Mari Ness or made a variant of it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 25 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It was a typo. I've merged the authors. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 25 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolf-Leader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?343846; I made 3 edits adding month via copyright page of archived '21 edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:48, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Camelot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33381; There is an OL-only non-preview copy which has a number line that starts with 3 and ends with 4. I think that's a 3rd printing, not on ISFDB and something I could clone, but what does your 2nd printing say for number line? Also, your publisher is the only one on ISFDB; this copy says Philomel Books on title page just like first printing someone entered here so does yours say Putnam on title page or should it be the same as the others? EDIT: Also, illustrator is referred to as Winslow Pels several times but back flap says jacket is by Winslow Pinney Pels. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:14, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The lowest number in the number line of my copy is "2". Alternating numbers in a number line (odd numbers on the left, evens on the right) is common. When a subsequent printings were done the prior printing number was scraped off of the plates. My theory is that by arranging the numbers this way, it keeps the number line centered. Of course, with printing done electronically now, the need for such an arrangement is no longer necessary. Putnam is mentioned only on the verso of the title page. The first printing originally had the publisher listed as "Putnam/Philomel" when I cloned that record for the second printing. The publisher was subsequently changed for that record. Since the Philomel publisher record has the history of the imprint, I have merged the two publisher records. The title page has the artist credit as "Winslow Pels" which I would user over the flap copy, especially since the text on the flap is a statement of copyright rather than a specific credit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:21, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hugos ==<br />
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I see you've started on adding them; I don't know if you saw, but I started working on the contents of the leaked ballot a few days ago. I didn't get that far through, but there are some relevant links here: [[User:ErsatzCulture/Hugo2023]], although there are a few more records in the DB that hadn't yet got added to that page. Regards<br />
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At first glance, I only see one difference from the leak, Upstart (which people were querying the category for) isn't in the final list. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I had entered the novels from the early list before I realized it was withdrawn. I decided not to delete that work unless the final list came out and disagreed (for novels it did not). I've entered the short fiction categories with the exception of those works that appear to only have been published in Chinese. It's going to take some work to track those down. I'll work on these more later today unless you've gotten to all of them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I think I got all the short fiction that was on the leaked list, but I think there might be one on the official list that wasn't on the leak. Didn't get as far as related work, other than making a couple of notes about some of the people nominated for fan awards etc. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:10, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I've now done the awards for the 3 stories that I'd added to the database. I'll dig out and add details for the final missing story (White Cliff). I'm not planning on touching any of the others so that I don't duplicate any work that you're doing. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:34, 6 July 2023 (EDT) EDIT: final shortfiction is done. (The mag publication for it is really horrible and in need of a cleanup when I get chance to look into who the editor, publisher, etc is) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:46, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
(dedent)<br />
: So I lied - I've now added all the Chinese finalists. Some of the peripheral stuff (e.g. publication records for the magazine a story first appeared in) needs tidying up, but I think the relevant title records are all OK, and the relevant author records.<br />
: There's a weirdness with 2 different finalists seemingly having the same Chinese characters for their name, but for the time being I've gotten around that with a (I) disambiguation. Will try to find a better solution if possible.<br />
: I'm now completely fed up with the Hugos, so I'll leave the remaining entries to you. I did do all of the pro-artist nominees, as that category should be all clear. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:42, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for all that. It looks good. I tried for a bit to find the details of 时空画师 this morning, but was unable to get very far with the amount of time I could devote. I was somewhat flummoxed by the notation that it had been published in ''Galaxy's Edge'' not realizing that there is a separate Chinese publication with that title. I'll start working on the remaining items. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:25, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998 ==<br />
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Hi, Ron. For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386118 this] magazine/anthology, can you show me where it's verified on Locus1?<br />
Thanks. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:33, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. The current link is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t903.htm#A43742 here]. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:03, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I just noticed your other post regarding this. Locus1 does cover magazines in addition to books. See their [http://www.locusmag.com/index/0start.htm#TOC table of contents]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:10, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! It's too bad they don't have a cover scan, since Galactic Central's is deleted, but that's the way it goes. I found another one on AbeBooks. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 19:16, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sixty Selected Poems ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?833943 this pv pub] there is an External ID "Reginald-3: 84-62734" but the Secondary Verifications show "Reginald3 N/A". What do You think about? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:52, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Nope. Clearly that was supposed to be LCCN. Thanks for pointing it out. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:05, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards where the title has multiple authors, but some have declined ==<br />
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Just bringing this to your attention, if you have any thoughts: [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Awards_where_the_title_has_multiple_authors.2C_but_some_have_declined]]. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:40, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SitD ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5703635; They may say what it is but, as so often, they were wrong; the link I provided shows that it is a story and it even says story in the URL of that link. I think this should be un-rejected. On the plus side, while looking into this just now I found Yates' page at encyclopedia.com which reveals that a work with the same title was a radio play in 1970, was collected in a book of his plays in 1971, and was a TV play in 1975, so I'll add that link to his page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Why do you suggest that Locus1 is often wrong? I find mistakes in their date to be rare. I Certainly trust them more than how a webzine structures their URLs and links. There are many different types of poems including prose poems and free verse and I don't claim to be expert at identifying the forms. I would rely on how Locus classified it as well as the fact that the verifiers saw no need to change the title type. Of course, you can put this on the community portal and see if any poetry experts disagree with Locus. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:50, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blue Lady #7 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=who%27s+that%3F&type=All+Titles; Hard to say what name was really used in either magazine his story appeared in because Ultimate Unknown and Blue Lady are very obscure and Locusmag/Philsp had/have a tendency to just lump together alternate names under a single name, but just mentioning that his name was supposedly different in the first zine and also appeared in 2 parts in 2 separate issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:01, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?519989; I discovered J.K. Potter did the cover for Faeries in this series and while looking for anything else I could do I noticed the later printing of Witches has Craft as artist but the first printing doesn't. You PV both so should you import it? It already has the right date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've only got a transient verification on the first printing, so no longer have a copy of that printing. I'd reach out to [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] who is also active. As the later printing has an unusual credit, we would want to make sure that she is similarly credited in the first printing. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:28, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Involution Ocean ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18533; I imported map from 1980 NEL into this and also into 1977 Canadian, same date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:20, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eye Hath Not Seen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5717534; I made an edit, so can you approve it in case you do something else later and it conflicts? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:17, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reginald3 ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as you also have Reginald, could you check a couple of things for me please?<br />
I'm looking at these two pubs; {{P|175751|Coils - Wallaby - tp}} and {{P|172481|Coils - Doubleday - hc}}. To me it looks as though the Reg3 verification has been attributed to the wrong pub. Reg3 states "Doubleday & Co., 1982, 183 p, cloth" (i.e. hc). What do you think?<br />
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While you've got Reg3 out, could you also have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#SV_removal this topic]. I think Reg3 references the US pub, not the Canadian (simultaneous?) one. I've noticed that where this situation arises elsewhere, the non-referenced one (i.e. the Canadian one) gets marked "N/A" and the Reg3-referenced US one is verified. What do you make of that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:51, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done and done. Reginald lists the publisher of ''Coils'' as simply "Doubldeay & Co." which is distinct from Nelson Doubleday which is generally for book club editions. However, I can find no evidence for a Doubleday trade edition either in Worldcat, nor in {{P|197321|Amber Dreams: A Roger Zelazny Bibliography}}, so I have to assume that Reginald got the publisher slightly off. I did see your note earlier on the moderator board, but I had hoped someone else would have acted on that. Since the remove verification function was added, I appear to be the only moderator who has made use of it. Many years ago, before we had this function, I was inaccurately accused of deleting another editor's verifications, so I try to be careful with using it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:47, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That's great Ron, thank you for taking the time to fix these :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:20, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Coven of Vampires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19403; I just added Archive.org link to 2007 HC and noticed the foreword is dated 1997-02-00, not 1998 like the Fedogan first editions, so it's likely a case of someone entering signed date instead of book date; date should be changed to 1998 but I'd like to know first from your PV expensive edition (cheap edition was transient) whether it's signed with the 1997 date. Also, foreword in 2007 HC is dated December 2006 so I don't know if it was updated; if it was, it should be split and given a title like Foreword to the 2006 Edition or something, I think. Lumley's bibliography, https://www.brianlumley.com/books/bibliography.html, mentions a chapbook with TP and "Clean Slate", an uncollected story. Does your copy include anything like that? They only say Subterranean but they may be wrong. Also, title page, which hasn't been updated in 15 years, mentions missing text in 1 story from the Hodder edition; there is none listed so was Hodder the parent of NEL? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The date was indeed from the signature on the essay, and I've corrected it. The signed edition only differs in the slipcase and the limitation page. I also believe the endpapers are different. I don't have any information on subsequent editions, but the foreword in the 2006 edition is the same as that in the F&B editions and did not have a 2006 date. I do have {{P|640485|Subterranean Press: Bibliography 1995 - 2015}} which mentions a chapbook issued with {{P|198273|the Subterranean edition}}. However, it gives the title of the chapbook as "A Coven of Vampires". It does not give contents. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:38, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Title-based awards ==<br />
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I have posted a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Awards_where_the_title_has_multiple_authors.2C_but_some_have_declined reply on the Community Portal]. Sorry about the delay -- it's a complicated area and I needed to address other issues before I could do the topic justice. Sometimes there are just too many balls in the air :-\ [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:10, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Absolutely no worries at all. The issues are certainly complicated. I've even thought of an additional wrinkle since my post. I'll respond in the main thread. Thanks, and also thanks for all the other balls you keep in the air!. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:42, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Simak - City ==<br />
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Hello Ron, as you're PV for {{P|350375|this pub}}, I can't find a 2010-06-00 instance of Gwyneth Jones' {{T|1297168|Introduction (City)}}. The pub itself is dated 2011-06-00, so this looks like a typo. What do you think?<br />
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While I'm here, and about the paper (not the ebook) editions of the Masterworks (II) series, you've verified many entries in this series which currently only state Gollancz as the imprint, missing that Orion is the publisher. Would you agree to me amending these to Gollancz / Orion? If you are agreeable, would you want to be notified of every instance of this specific type of edit, given that I always detail the change in the Moderator note? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:18, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Kev -<br />
:I'm not sure what to do about Jones' introduction. The Masterworks edition is definitely 2011. The 2010 date for the introduction is not from a signature or a typo. Instead, it is given a copyright date of 2010 (no month) on the the copyright page. I wonder if perhaps the introduction was published elsewhere in 2010 and re-used for this book. If that is the case, then we should date the introduction with the 2011-06-00 date as the title would have changed. I'd be OK with changing the date and adding a note on the title record that the copyright date is 2010 and the essay may have been published earlier. Please feel free to refine the publisher by adding the parent Orion imprint. Just be careful as some of the earlier volumes were published by Millennium as an imprint of Gollancz. Those may all be in the earlier numbered series. You can add a moderator note that I've agreed that this sort of change is OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:05, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think you mean Millennium as as imprint of Orion, but never mind and yes, I'm aware of the Millenium/Gollancz subleties in the first series. Thanks for the heads-up though.<br />
::If I'm inferring correctly, it's your copyright page that carries the copyright date of "2010" for the introduction so I think I'll put a brief note to that effect in your pub. I'll change the date at title level to 2011-06-00 and add a note there as well, to the same effect. That way we have all the angles covered.<br />
::Thanks for your agreement about adding the publisher in this second series, it'll save us a lot of reading :) and I'll reference this thread in the mod notes. Thanks again! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:16, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Drawing of the Three TP ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5723266; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1711477; Afterword on last page should be imported into this TP, I think. I added Archive.org link to first printing, January '90, of Signet PB, changed count from 463 to 464 with a note about last page being unnumbered, and imported afterword giving it a number of [464]; PV of that edition is gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:58, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:36, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 100 Years of OZ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331462; Copy on Archive.org, 2nd printing so I just added LCCN to 1st, but I noticed LoC says 159 pages, not 160, and back flap says Shaner was designer, not artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've removed the COVERART and added a note about the last page. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:36, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lafferty - The Best of R. A. Lafferty ==<br />
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Hello Ron, looking at {{P|698044|this pub}}, I see Gaiman's introduction on page ix, which doesn't fit with 446 pages. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:51, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I submitted the following edit on this edition: Submitting four web page reviews, correcting pages (adding prefatory page in lower-case roman numeral), & adding Gollancz to pub note. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 06:28, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for sorting that out Mike. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:55, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I corrected the pagecount from ix to xiv and restored the line breaks in the notefield. Good find! Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:08, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== McAuley - The Secret of Life ==<br />
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Hello Ron, I've submitted an edit for {{P|916090|this pub}}, expanding notes and replacing cover. Do you think there's a case for making Paul McAuley the canonical name? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:04, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for letting me know about the changes. Changing Paul Mcauley to the canonical author would be a major undertaking. I believe that I've considered it before, but in looking over his bibliography, there are a large number of essays and reviews that are credited to "Paul J. McAuley". There are more than I would want to count, but my sense is that the longer name may be the most frequently used. If you want to press for a change, I'd suggest proposing it on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and see what others think. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your thoughts on that. I think I'd like to do an actual count to see if there really is a case to be made for change and to put it up to the community. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Now that the edit is up, do you think the novel page should be 5, not 3? I thought we use the page where the body of the works starts, rather than the titling page... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:42, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I've always considered a section title to be part of the novel. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:50, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Ok, fair enough :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:00, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Face ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737168; Old cover was the wrong one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doomsman / Telepower ==<br />
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I wonder if [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10660 this pv pub] is really an omnibus. Probably none of the titles appeared before as a single publication. The title length seem to be shortfiction. So I guess it could be an anthology? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 15:12, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It almost certainly was before my verification. I suspect that it was treated the same as Ace Doublez (see [[Template:TitleFields:TitleType|this help template]] under NOVEL) and which are commonly entered as OMNIBUS despite the length of their contents. Personally, I've no objection is you want to convert this to an anthology, but there are other active verifiers that you would want to contact before proceeding. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Far Future Calling ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5741322; Do you think adding subtitle from title page would be good since it's unique and doesn't appear on the cover? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:15, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, but I think one of the words is spelled wrong. Also, so as not to have to open another thread I'll mention here that I noticed you just upped a Fantasy Forest cover; one of your previous entries in that series had a cover by Macari, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=macari&type=Name, who started off with Jr. in his name and then used his middle initial and finally just went by Mario, which is the name his website is linked under. In case you want to decide who's the parent and link the other names. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:02, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::All fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:43, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moore / Scarlet Dream ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29005 Scarlet Dream] and will add pub month (Sept) to all associated records, state source (Locus #249) and add pub note: The story "Dust of Gods" is titled "Dust of the Gods" on copyright page and Table of Contents. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. You can add a note about the difference in title in the contents and copyright. Of course, the title should remain as it appears on the story's title page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:17, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Illustrated Frankenstein ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737334; What happened is I entered the new edition on August 9, you entered it on August 10, so when I made my edit it was a clone because yours didn't exist yet but since you're a mod you instantly approved yours while mine wasn't approved until nearly a week later. So I'll have to make another edit adding correctly spelled publisher, cover image, price, Archive.org link, and 3 more WorldCat links. I'll do that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Vinge - A Fire Upon the Deep ==<br />
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Hello Ron, {{T|1250274|Mitchell's map}} is mentioned in the notes {{P|548988|here}}, if you want to add it.<br />
Description of the map in my 4th printing: The map is divided into three; upper is titled "The Milky Way Galaxy (edge-on view)", lower is titled "The Milky Way Galaxy (disk plane)". The third is an inset, halfway down the page, and one of the labels is "Projection of OOB II proposed flightpath". Map is not credited and is unsigned.<br />
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This is the same map as in my copy of "Zones of Thought" where it is credited and signed. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:27, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. I've copied your text and added the map. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:38, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wilson Tucker / The Lincoln Hunters ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43095 The Lincoln Hunters] and will add the Author's Note and pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:11, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Made in Goatswood: New Tales of Horror in the Severn Valley ==<br />
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● I recently read [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21046 Made in Goatswood: New Tales of Horror in the Severn Valley] and I have added the illustrations and I have put them in their proper order. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:28, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, November 2014 (cover) ==<br />
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Can you please check the date on {{T|2321509|this title}} from your verified {{P|649810|The Weird Fiction Review, Fall 2017}}? The date is given as 1914-11-00, yet the title has "November 2014". Should the date be 2014-11-00? If not, then the author needs to be disambiguated as the {{A|Garry Brown}} record is for an artist born in 1981. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:12, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. I used to enter dates for reprints with the date of the original appearance. Although, here there was clearly a typo. My logic was that the differences in name (the disambiguation of "(cover)") and title type are purely artificial. However, when it was discussed, I could not convince the other editors. As a consequence, there are many years worth of edits where the dates I entered reflect the original appearance. So, in this case, I changed it to the date of its reprint in the magazine. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:22, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantastic, February 1969 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5738987 this submission] that impacts your verified pub. Looking at an Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/Fantastic_v18n03_1969-02/page/n143/mode/2up scan], the submitter's Note to Moderator is correct. However, those two reviews should be credited to just Skinner in my opinion. If you are agreeable, I will reject this submission, but edit the pub to change the credit on the last two reviews to Skinner, add a pub note explaining the situation, and add a link to the Internet Archive scan. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:32, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree with your assessment that those two reviews should be credited to Skinner alone. Thanks.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:46, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Changes made as discussed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:41, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 12:26, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yoh-Vombis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747431; Vornoff, who entered this, hasn't been around for 3 years so no use asking them. You've entered a lot of these old pulps so I figured you could flesh this out after my edit's approved. Seems odd that Don Herron would be involved and yet the publisher is Heron but it's there on the title page (I discovered the correct name because Margo Skinner has a 1990 poetry collection on FantLab which also has Heron). It's also odd he's credited for art because he only has 1 other credit here. Biblio.com seller says it's unknown binding but gives the dimensions as huge, so if it is paper it would probably be TP, and as you can see the price was crossed out and a new one written in but neither matches what's here. Also, page count varies online but is usually much less than what's here. So lots of discrepancies. A real copy would be useful but I'm guessing this is pretty rare. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:50, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No help I'm afraid. I checked Chalker/Owings for both Dawn Herron and Dawn Heron, but it's not listed there. I've no special knowledge about the author. Good luck. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Return of the Sorcerer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747664; Last few pages are unnumbered publication history so I adjusted the count. Also, the ID you added has 2 other records under "see all formats and editions" that have the wrong date. Should those be added, too? Do they count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:54, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Both of the Worldcat records refer to different ISBNs. It seems unlikely that Prime would have have published a collection with a different contents and using the same title. Wildside certainly may have done so. Regardless, the copyright dates for the cover, introduction and for the collection itself are all 2009 so it seems unlikely that the Wildside book is the same collection. I don't know what to make of the second Prime record. I suppose the 2008 date could either be a typo, or a street date that isn't reflected in the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:51, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starswarm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747770; Should publisher have New American Library added to it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Per [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher|this help template]], it can be, but it's not required. Since the record predates my verification, and the publisher is within the rules, I never considered changing it. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:57, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Michaelmas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749051; It's by Algis J. Budrys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:16, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FAoWW ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753273; "About" essays at the end aren't on contents page and have no numbers but they're in the contents here; should they have brackets around their numbers and should +[4] be added to page count? Or should essays just be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Penguin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753361; Title page doesn't include the word Volume; [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/wsAAAOSw5OVhnpKC/s-l1600.jpg]. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thomas - The Crystal Button ==<br />
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Hello Ron, looking at the edit history for {{P|211249|this pub}} it's not apparent where the improbable page count came from. Does this look to you as though someone was correcting the page count (to xiv+302) but forgot to delete the previous count of xiii? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:49, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That sounds likely and fits with the Worldcat record. I can double check Bleiler when I get home next week. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:41, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That would be good, thanks. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 01:36, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::''Science-Fiction: The Early Years'' does not appear to have page counts. I've corrected the record to match Worldcat. Thanks for finding the error. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:09, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== <b>Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2</b> ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:01, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I’m out of town for another week. If you don’t get a response from one of the other verifiers by then, I will check. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:45, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out though. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:43, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nyarlathotep Cycle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5758166; Series changed to #14. Other number entered previously is catalog ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I’m holding this until I return home next week and can check the book. You really should have sought agreement from all the verifiers before submitting this edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:24, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I had a feeling you'd say that. I'll cancel the edit and do it again with just the link although the numbering is correct because the date follows #13. When you return you can look into it and if you decide to change it just add my name to the notes as the one who discovered it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:51, 1 September 2023 (EDT)--<br />
:::No, the numbering submitted with your edit is not correct. There is nowhere in the book that lists it as #14 in the Cthulhu Cycle publication series. The blog you linked to appears to be conflating what we have as two different publication series {{PS|1744|Cthulhu Cycle}} and {{PS|1742|Call of Cthulhu Fiction}} both of which have some overlap. This book lists the latter series on the spine and lists a series number of 6019. All books in the Cycle series also list Call of Cthulhu Fiction. Further, it describes the book as a "Cycle Book" on the back cover. This is how all of the preceding Cthulhu cycle books are described on the back cover except for {{P|5244|The Book of Iod}}. ''The Nyarlathotep Cycle'' appears to be the last book to use the term "Cycle Book", excepting the second edition of {{P|276907|The Hastur Cycle}} which is stated as book 6020 in the Cthulhu Cycle series. So, the record is correct before your attempted edits. We could add the MultiPubS template which I don't believe existed when these books were added.<br />
:::I do have to ask that if you predicted that I would complain that you should have sought verifier approval '''before''' submitting these edits, why then did you submit them without first seeking that approval? You've been told many times before about the requirement for pre-notification, and your anticipation of my complaint makes it clear that you were aware of the requirement. And yet, you submitted anyway. If you feel the requirement for pre-notification should be changed, you could certainly propose such a change at the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page. However, you cannot continue to ignore standards. Please don't do it again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::There's something you may have noticed called "Cancel submission" at the end of every edit. I think after more than two-and-a-half years it should be obvious to those who approve my edits that most of them, including the ones that sit around for weeks or months unnecessarily, are correct, certainly far more often than a lot of the others here I could name, so the occasional "incorrect" one like this (assuming the series stuff you wrote above is correct) doesn't bother me when I have to cancel it. I like to actually see something on the page rather than just an abstract note; I don't have time to wait around and try to remember which of the myriad PV here are still active/alive (because many of them stopped editing long ago but none of you actually marked their pages with a "no longer active" so people are still leaving them messages years later) or are in the process of moving/finished moving but haven't unpacked their books yet or are going into hospital/coming out of hospital or don't care about their edits anymore/hate one or more of the other people here and are holding a grudge, etc. etc. etc. Nothing is permanent here, any inadvertent edit can be reversed with the click of a button. While you've been away on vacation or wherever you were a mod "fixed" a couple of edits of mine that they approved without asking my opinion about the fixes and in both cases they were wrong so I politely asked them to undo their edits and they did so. I stopped editing after Labor Day and plan on not doing any edits until 10/1 and ending on 10/31 (HALLOWEEN!) which is my favorite time of the year. After that, I can't really see myself doing this any longer because, as I've said many times, nobody cares; print books were mostly abandoned on this site long before I started here with only myself and a few others working on them regularly (and some of them don't exactly enter their edits very carefully and I have to fix them) and the majority of edits these days are for e-books and other ephemera which don't interest me because one or more of the people running this site are clearly more interested in having Amazon links in the records that people can click on and bring in cash. By the time I'm done I should have well over 60,000 edits including thousands of Archive.org links so that should keep people occupied long after I'm gone with adding to what I did, as I know some here like to detail every little thing. In the meantime, I have 1,200+ pending edits so hopefully those will be mostly approved by the time I start editing again next month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Aside from the fact that you've interacted with me and am well aware that I am active, every publication has a list of verifiers with a date they were last active, so stating that you had no idea whether pre-notification was required in this or any other instance is disingenuous. In fact, you admit that you anticipated the complaint showing that you were conscious that you were doing was going against the standards. Stating that you don't have time to wait for a reply, which is a requirement that rest of the community abides by, shows contempt for our rules. How other edits were handled, the number of edits pending, your favorite season and your plans for not editing or quitting the project are immaterial to this discussion. If you disagree with the policy, try to get it changed. You cannot continue to ignore the policy because you find it inconvenient. Do not do it again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:40, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::You seem to be a very angry person judging by your responses to me and many other discussions you've had with other editors that I've read in the message board archives going back to several years ago; perhaps you don't enjoy doing this anymore and should find something else to do that makes you happy. Also, my edit adding series # was cancelled and, like I said, I made another one just adding the archived link which is most important, anyway, because it allows people to actually read the book themselves, so I'm not sure what you're still complaining about. Most of my edits are approvable without any issues but to hear you talk you'd think that almost all of my edits are a problem, not to mention that most of the ones you skip over because you think there's something wrong with them end up getting approved by other mods; as I've said before, my correction of edits related to you, whether entered by you personally or approved for someone else, far outweighs anything you have to do re: me, and you've been here far longer than I have. You (and most of the others here) are totally ungrateful and help me with absolutely nothing, only chiming in when you can find something to complain about. Also also, I do think the fact that I have lost interest in editing due to the attitude of others here and the complete breakdown in getting edits approved in a timely fashion because of the huge backlog due to the disorganization behind the scenes and the disastrous recent server move will be a problem soon because, as I said above, I'm one of the very few who edit for print books on a regular basis, not to mention that the number of my edits is usually several times that of all the edits by other editors combined, and in addition to all the new material I've added I've also fixed countless mistakes which apparently none of the thousands of other editors who came before me ever noticed or cared to fix; once I'm gone I seriously doubt anyone else is going to take up the mantle and continue doing that. I also don't appreciate the implied threat at the end of your message; don't do that again. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:59, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Again, your speculations about my mood, complaints about how the project is run, your perceived lack of gratitude, etc. are completely unrelated to the subject we're discussing. I've informed you of the policy. You have stated that "I don't have time to wait around and try to remember which of the myriad PV here are still active/alive..." indicating that you have no intention of following the policy. I don't see how insisting that you must follow the policy is a threat. Again, do not submit edits making substantive changes to records with active verifiers without first seeking their approval. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:06, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Companhy of Battered Women ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757949 this edit] that would impact your verified pub. It looks like a database typo, but wanted to get your confirmation before accepting. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:51, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. I’m out of town until next week. I’ll check when I get home. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It's a typo and the edit is good. Please go ahead and approve. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:39, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Great Ghost Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?372164; I just entered the 1971 Books for libraries reprint and there's vii Roman pages, not xii, since it's a copy of the original I assume yours is the same (as are the 2 copies on Archive.org) and should also be changed to vii. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:54, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:42, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Naomi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#Naomi; PV disagrees with you about the date so you can discuss that with him if you want to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:24, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Turner - The Sea and Summer ==<br />
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Hello Ron, could you have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Turner_-_The_Sea_and_Summer this query] and leave a comment there? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:57, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edgar Rice Burroughs: Master of Adventure interior art ==<br />
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I imported all the interior art into the 1968 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11955 Edgar Rice Burroughs: Master of Adventure] from the 1975 edition when I confirmed on the Internet Archive copy of the 1968 one that the list of illustrations is identical. Then I deleted the comment that the frontispiece by Crandall and Williamson is unidentified, as all the illos are credited on the list. (The frontispiece is used as the cover of the even later Bison Press edition, and I knew I'd seen it in my old copy of the '68 edition.)--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 07:49, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thundercats ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=thundercats+random&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; Copies are available to fill in missing info like prices, cover artists, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - Second Foundation ==<br />
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Hello Ron, regarding {{P|471791|this pub}}, do you think the Pages field should be [10]+210, and the Prolog as page [7] (with piping to make it [7]|0.1) ? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:00, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll go ahead and make that change. However, the Prolog is listed as page vii in the table of contents and there is an ongoing [[User talk:Nihonjoe#1634: The Bavarian Crisis|discussion]] on exactly this topic, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone wants to revisit this in the future. Personally, I'm not fond of the bracketed page counts and probably would have entered this as "bp" had I created the record. I'm guessing that I cloned the A state record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:59, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for fixing that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:40, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Other Aliens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?623866; There was a copy uploaded last year so I linked it; maybe you'd like to verify stories or poems per your note and enter the page numbers, too, if you care to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Flashing Swords #7 ==<br />
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Ron, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5769794 this submission], by the author, looks to correct a typo in your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961971 verified pub]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:39, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's a duplicate submission. See [[#In the Companhy of Battered Women|above]]. [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] is holding the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757949 prior submission] and I informed them it was OK to approve. I'll reach out to JLaTondre who may have missed my response. The duplicate submission should probably be rejected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:50, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Rejected , [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== All the Old Fringe Stuff .. ==<br />
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Quick question: You said (about my attempted modification of "All the Old Fringe Stuff You Need to Remember") that "The NONFICTION title record is a container title, which is required in a NONFICTION publication. You could add an ESSAY in the content section as a separate record." But what is the difference between this new entry, and all the other nonfiction essays about science fiction I have listed under "Essays" (not "Nonfiction") on my author's page? (Also, it may be worth mentioning that SciFi Wire was renamed SyFy Wire.) Thanks! [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 17:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rest of the Robots ==<br />
Hi -- just logged in for the first time in years and saw [[User_talk:Mike_Christie#Review_of_Asimov_in_February_1969_New_Worlds|this]]; sorry, I no longer have that issue -- I sold all my magazines except the Unknowns. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 19:06, 26 September 2023 (EDT)</div>
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<div>Welcome to my talk page.<br />
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== Welcome :) ==<br />
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Welcome aboard! I think we have all the "hot" topics linked from the Main page for your browsing convenience. If you have any questions, just post them on that page or its Talk page. If you have general questions (e.g. "what the heck are we doing here anyway??"), feel free to post them either at [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] or on my or Al's User page any time :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:44, 22 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==A note from T. Jackson King==<br />
Hi Mike! This is T. Jackson King (Tom) logging in here to say thanks for the 6/27 welcome note on my talk page, and to ask you for guidance on how I can modify the listing of my short and long works that key to my author name (above). I've put in a third person biography here and on Wikipedia, but I'd like to update my short fiction listing, the awards category, and then link the biblio stuff to the bio page on Wikipedia. I've read through the How Tos and other stuff, but every time I try to "edit" anything other than my bio, I get a screen message saying editing is presently limited to moderators. Having read the main page stuff and info on new software, etc., I guess that explains that. Any suggestions on how I could gain moderator status solely for my writing info stuff? Or can you or Al or who knows? open up my biblio section so I can do as above? Anyway, thanks much for all the work you and others do to maintain this site. While I have my own website, I love Wikipedia (newbie enthusiasm) and have found the ISFDB to include a lot of fellow writers I've known since the early 1980s. My personal email address should be listed on my login data, or, if not, then you can find it on my web site at www.sfwa.org/members/tjacksonking The email address there doesn't work to link to me, but the address is accurate. Enough chatter. Thanks for your time. Tom<br />
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== Budrys ==<br />
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Responses posted on [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:39, 23 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Vacuum tubes ==<br />
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Thanks for the heads up about transistors! Normally, I am not a fan of new and unproven technologies, but spare parts ''are'' getting harder to get these days... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:35, 25 Jun 2006 (CDT)== Agent of the Terran Empire ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115971 this] is Bob Fowke, as the same art is on page 54-55 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476572+f Dangerous Frontiers]. Thanks. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 21:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Oops! I knew I was missing something! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:53, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Thanks for the welcome ==<br />
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Howdy Mike and thanks for the welcome. I certainly hope to be able to help out with fixing that which needs it and the verification process (I almost called it an effort but that implies there is an end to it whereas a process can be never ending . . .) [[User:PortForlorn|PortForlorn]] 00:02, 19 Oct 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==Collection==<br />
Answered on my Talk page to preserve context, continuity, etc :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:58, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
:Answers updated on my Talk page. We may want to move the last part of the discussion to the Portal since it may have broader applicability. Also, we may want to revive the [[Bibliographic Rules]] page at some point since the Community Portal is getting crowded. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:22, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Dropped Text==<br />
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Yes, I saw a big chunk of text seemingly disapper about an hour ago. As far as I can tell, the text is still there and you can access it if you pull up the whole page in "Edit Page", but it is not displayed any more. Probably some special characters and/or formatting messing it up. I'll see if I can unscramble it, thanks :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:42, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:The problem with the Community Portal page was the "p" template which was messing it up for some reason. I took it out for now and the page is back in business :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:51, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn ==<br />
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Mike,<br />
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FYI, "Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn", "Vithaldas O'Quinn", "Vithaldas H. O'Quinn", etc were all pseudonyms used by Santesson -- see Contento and http://www.trussel.com/books/pseud_o.htm [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:06, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Aha. Thanks for that. I wonder what his source is? I just checked Who's Hugh (should have done that before), and it gives Contento and McGhan as sources for this; McGhan predates Contento but I'm not familiar with it.<br />
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:I wonder if it would be a good idea for us to eventually have a "sources" table, with a way of citing a source for any non-obvious connection -- primarily assigning pseudonyms. E.g. the variant titles connection could have a secondary table with a key of parent title, child title, and an attribute of source id, pointing to the source which attests the connection. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:26, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::It's probably a good idea to formalize the pseudonym attribution process, which is currently effectively undefined. However, I am not sure what the best approach would be. Something for the Community Portal, perhaps? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::Yes, but I think I'll hold off on that for now -- it's not going to happen before beta testing, and I'd like to avoid any red herrings. I think we do need a couple more features to go live effectively, but not much, so I plan to be minimalist about non-go-live-related issues for a bit. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:41, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Certainly understandable. I have been reluctant to start a discussion of my top secret LIAM module for pretty much the same reason. My biggest concern is that although the software is currently largely functional, it has enough built-in gotchas and twists to discourage all but the most dedicated editors. And once a potential contributor is discouraged, he may not be easy to lure back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:48, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Good point; hadn't really thought about it that way. I think one goal of the beta is to identify what can be improved along these lines. However, to me the main implication is that usability and workflow enhancements are the main thing to look at between now and the beta, since we can actually *do* most things now. That's why, for example, I think award editing is low priority, but an ISFDB watchlist is high priority. I can't see a Heinlein project team member getting very far without the ability to keep an eye on "his" data. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:53, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::It's entirely possible that the majority of the ISFDB activity will be eventually Author-centric, but it's hard to tell ahead of time. In the past, the ISFDB had two primary categories of editors: authors and bibliographers. Authors tended to be highly author-centric (not entirely surprisingly, one might add) and their activity was sporadic, based on random factors like the appearance of new stories/books, writer's block, insomnia, etc. I can certainly see how a returning author may want to see a list of changes to his biblio since his last visit.<br />
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::::::Bibliographers, on the other hand, tended to be much more thorough and '''much''' less author-centric. Some would concentrate on magazines, others on first editions, yet another category would be interested in certain publishers (e.g. DAW and Baen as can be seen elseWiki), etc. They would be much less likely to benefit from this proposed tool unless it could be made highly configurable and track many different fields in various clever ways, which I consider unlikely given our limitations.<br />
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::::::Finally, there are two other categories of editors from years past: unpublished writers who would try to sneak their work undercover, as it were, and regular genre readers, who typically come and go at random intervals. Having said that, the Internet has grown so much and the idea of user-editable databases has become so widespread in recent years, that it's hard to tell what kind of audience we will draw this time around. Oh well, time will tell :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::That list of likely editor types is very illuminating. I guess I was thinking that some authors have such a following that they would draw interested editors, but I suppose the list of authors that would have a sufficiently dedicated following is quite short. On the other hand, my watchlist at Wikipedia has a high overlap with the pages I've edited; I think a lot of editors would like to work that way.<br />
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::::::::There are good-to-excellent single author bibliographies on the net (Bramah, Farmer, Leinster, Vance, etc) that are maintained either by individuals or by small groups, but I don't think we had a whole lot of luck getting them to update the ISFDB. Or, if we did, they were not as visible as the other types of editors. Perhaps we will have beter luck this time. I suppose that "struggling writers", who tended to be more visible, saw the ISFDB and similar outlets as a way to get free publicity. Clearly, Stephen King didn't need the ISFDB to maintain a decent standard of living :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::The key point seems to me to be that we have to have a way to watch data being degraded, so we can stop it. You're putting in many hours of work doing consistency checks. How do you know they are still consistent? (Well, there's not many people editing right now, but you know what I mean.) I spent a long time on the "Ace Books" article in Wikipedia, and I have it watchlisted. I go check every single edit that's done to it, because I have an interest in keeping it high quality. If I can't do that for, e.g., the Fantastic Universe issues I've been entering, I won't really want to enter any more of them. I recently noticed that a title in one of the issues had been changed for an editorial, for example. I'm pretty sure that Al did it, in verifying against Contento2, so I asked him about it. If 20,000 changes had gone by while I was on vacation, I'd have no way of knowing if those issues were still in good shape.<br />
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::::::::This is definitely a major concern, but I am not sure that the proposed software solution is as easy to implement as all that -- see below. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::I realize that moderators are going to be eyeballing changes, and we can have rules about not approving changes to records that are verified, without some justification given in the notes. That's actually pretty strong protection, but I don't think it's quite enough.<br />
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:::::::To get back to your editor types, I think the pure bibliographers will want to know that their work is not just going to get corrupted, otherwise they won't want to enter data. They may not watchlist everything they enter, but they may watchlist most of it.<br />
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:::::::Finally, I don't think it's necessarily that hard to do. To watchlist a title, for example, you need a userid/titleid cross reference table; pretty straightforward. Then you need "for each title: list approved submissions that affect this title, get all publications; for each publication: list approved submissions that affect this title". The user could click on the submission to see the original update request. That would be the equivalent of a diff. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 21:31, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::::Well, that may be easy to implement in a static environment, but Title IDs and Publication IDs get merged and deleted all the time. I really don't know how much work it would take to get even to the low hanging fruit, so I would need to defer to Al. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::Yuck. Merged ids changing the id of what you're watchlisting; hadn't really considered that. I can think of answers, but fundamentally you're right that there are some gotchas -- though I still suspect we need to do it, or something like it. Anyway, I've started a beta discussion on the community portal, so let's wait and see what comes out of that -- maybe nobody else will agree we need the watchlist function. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 09:28, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Regularized Case==<br />
I noticed that [[Template:PublicationFields:Title]] and related pages do not include "on" in the list of words that should not be capilized in titles. For example - The DAW list has the following and they look "correct" to me but don't follow ISFDB's conventions and I'm wondering if the conventions should be updated or the DAW titles. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:07, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
*''Incident on Ath''<br />
*''Monday Begins on Saturday''<br />
*''Ocean on Top''<br />
*''One on Me''<br />
*''The Darkness on Diamondia''<br />
*''The Sailor on the Seas of Fate''<br />
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:You're right; "on" looks correct. I'll fix this in the templates -- thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 07:46, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Bug 10009 ==<br />
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Looks plenty fixed to me! :) Al rolled out a number of fairly major changes today, so I would guess that he also zapped 10009 as a "ah heck, might as well do it now" kind of thing. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:12, 7 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== "Nevile Shute"? ==<br />
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Mike, does http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVSEP1959 reflect the spelling of Nevil Shute's name in the magazine correctly or is it a typo? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:17, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:Oops. Fixed. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 18:26, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Templates for magazines ==<br />
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I think the conservative thing to do for now is to "just make the template available so that projects that get going can use it". That way we won't forget about it and can always go back and propagate the template if it becomes popular.<br />
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As far as "author-centricity" goes, it's the natural way to ''organize'' projects and keep track of them. It's not that we will necessarily have all that many author-centric editors, but rather that I can't think of a better way to record what has been done and where things stand. On any given day I may jump between a dozen different Authors and two dozen Series, merging things, deleting, adding, checking secondary biblios, etc, but at the end of the day I go back to the respective Author (and sometimes Series) pages in the Wiki to record what has been done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:37, 17 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Collections contents ==<br />
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I'll happily add the contents, it's just I couldn't see a way to do it from the create page. <br />
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I'll try the clone options page next time. I'm only going to be touching any books if I've got them in front of me. [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 08:48, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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One possible beta bug, I entered years (xxxx-0-0) for all the stories in scared stiff but they've all come through zeroed.<br />
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I'll correct those and see if they go through this time.<br />
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== Cold print answer ==<br />
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It is a collection, with a second expanded edition, so the initial verification as a novel is a mistake.<br />
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==Recent Hayford Peirce edits==<br />
Hi Mike, I see you're online approving my edits. I seem to have done some things wrong, however. When I go to the Hayford Peirce article it doesn't show Der Zeit-etc. as a foreign edition of Napoleon Disentimed. And now there are two entries for Dinosaur Park -- I was just trying to add the month of publication (May 1994) to the original entry of 1994. Sorry for screwing things up! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:17, 25 Dec <br />
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::No problem. You might find [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant|this help page]] useful -- your data entry was fine, but now you need to tell the ISFDB that "Der Zeit . . ." is actually a variant of "Napoleon Disentimed". When you entered "Der Zeit" it created a publication record, and a title record, both saying "Der Zeit" was the title. Pub records track physical books, so that record doesn't need to change. Title records are the things that connect multiple publications of the same work. So you need to connect the title record of "Der Zeit" to the title record of "Napoleon Disentimed"; the help page link should help you figure it out. If it's not clear, ask again. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::A couple of things to keep in mind. One is that we have a display bug in the current version of the ISFDB software. It causes Variant Titles to appear twice, once as a "Variant Title" under the parent title and once by itself. The bug used to be limited to short fiction titles, but now that Al is trying to integrate short fiction and novel length data on the same page, it has spread to novels as well. That's why ''Dinosaur Park'' is displayed twice. It's just a display issue, there is no need to adjust the data -- I am sure it will be fixed soon.<br />
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:::The second thing to keep in mind is that we are currently listing foreign language translations of English language books as Publications under the main English language title. The reason for it is to avoid clutter on the main Author page for Authors that have been translated into numerous languages. I have already merged the German language version with the English langiage original, so we are all set for now. In the future, you can simply use the "Add Publication to this Title" link on the Title's page to avoid the need to merge the newly entered title with the parent. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Regarding Zeit-etc. Yes, the first entry I made I had the date structure wrong (according to a warning), so I went back and corrected it, or so I thought. Evidently that led to two different entries being made. There should only be one. In any case, the date of publication should, correctly, be 1992-00-00 -- I guess! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
::OK -- have a go at deleting the incorrect one; it should be easy to figure out how. I know the warning message you're talking about; it's just informative, and doesn't stop the data being entered. The format for unknown dates is zeroes, so you can just enter 1992 and ignore the warnings if it's going to be zeroes anyway. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Righto -- it's easier to have the discussion going on at a single page. I have already deleted one of the Zeits. I started to delete Dinosaur Park from my list of novels, since it's now shown as a variant title of Thirteenth Majestral. But then I was afraid that deleting it would also remove it from the variant status. Is a puzzlement! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Yup, it's that bug mentioned above raising its ugly head :( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Ah, so you're saying that I *can't* delete that second listing?! That sounds like a pretty major bug to me! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:57, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::Well, it's just a display bug: if you look at the URLs that the two displayed titles point to, it's the same location, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?15751 This bug only popped up the other day, so it's presumably due to the software overhaul that Al von Ruff is currently in the middle of. I will re-report it again on the Bug page just to make sure he is aware of it :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:03, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::And thanks for the on-going tips -- I'm sure that I'll get up to speed on this eventually. I do have, for instance, other foreign edition info to put in for various books. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 <br />
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::::Hi Mike, it's actually a trade paperback, I guess, the big glossy pb -- I should have realized that there was a different entry for that. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 14:23, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Pence and pounds==<br />
Hi Mike, thanks for the tip on the pound sign -- I use the character set from time to time for other things, so I'll remember to use it here also. Regarding the price of the Canning book, however, we've gotta remember that it was a 1973 book, before the pound had a hundred units of whatever it is. <br />
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1971 was the changeover: a pre-decimal pound was the same as a post-decimal pound though.<br />
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In those days (and I just checked it in my big old Websters) the pound had 20 shillings and each shilling had 12 pence. So a pound consisted of 240 pence. Which means that a book that sold for 50p (or 50 pence, I'm pretty sure) was not the equivalent of £0.50 -- it would actually be the equivalent of £0.208 (50 divided by 240). Or so I think. Maybe I should go back to the Canning item and change the "p" to "pence"? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 16:20, 30 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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A pound still has twenty shillings in it, but no youth will know what a shilling was. (It's 5 new pence rather than 12 old pence.)<br />
You'd never see a pre-decimal price in pence alone, though, unless it was less than a shilling: and those would have been labelled "d" rather than "p". So "6d" would be half a shilling, or "£0.025" in current parlance. I forget when we lost the half-penny, but I'm pretty sure we don't need to go to three decimals after the mid 1980s....<br />
For pre-decimal prices though, 50p didn't exist, we'd call half a pound "10 shillings" or "10 Bob". If it was really 50 pennies, then it would be "Four shillings and tuppence" or "4/2".<br />
I apologise for my country's weird currency shift,but all I can do now is resist joining the Euro and making it THREE currency systems in my lifetime...<br />
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==Burr by Gore Vidal==<br />
Hi, Mike, and Happy New Year! I see that Burr is listed as a novel by Gore Vidal -- he did indeed write, although not on that date, and it is NOT possibly SF or anything associated with it. I just tried to delete it completely from the list but evidently one has to be a moderator to do so. So, would you be kind enough to do so when you have a moment? Thanks! (It's a *great* book, by the way!) [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:11, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Hmmm, that's very strange -- I just looked at the Vidal biblio summary and Burr is still there. Plus, when I tried to delete it, there was a message across the top of the screen that only a moderator could do so.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:34, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Charles McCarry==<br />
Sorry, I just saw why you had rejected my edit -- *after* I had redone it. I thought that maybe I had forgotten to hit the submit button. I'll redo it, correctly, this time, as Non-Fiction. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:24, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==The "pre" tags==<br />
Hi Mike, I'm using them because someone put this info in the Jonathan Gash discussion and suggested that I use the phrase I've been putting in. I myself thought it looked "awful" once it showed up but I figgered he knew more about it than I did! I wish this Wiki had a preview feature in it so I could see what the changes are gonna look like! I'll go back and remove all the "pre" if you think that's what I should do. Or I'll do whatever you suggest to make things look better.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:02, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Okie, thanks. I copied the tag from "Edit" mode, and maybe there were some formatting things in there that were only for the note he wrote to me and that shouldn't have been copied into the Lovejoy stuff. I'll clean it up, but bear with me if it turns out to be a trial and error process.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Bad ISBN ==<br />
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It's impossible to edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO1318 title] as it has a # at the start of the ISBN and it makes it throws a Python error.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 14:23, 6 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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As I've just added a few entries with '#' at the start of the ISBN (as they are old books but have internal publishers numbers) I'm worried I may be causing you problems.<br />
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Although I see no problem with THAT particular entry.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:10, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Danke! I've been seeing that birthday thing for a while now and wondering if I wuz gonna show up -- now we know that at least *one* thing works! And most of the rest, too, for that matter. It's a wonder that there aren't *more* bugs -- my mind is boggled by how much info there is in here and how it's already so structured.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 11:27, 7 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== British Currency ==<br />
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Thanks for the note on this. Is there a standard for the pre-metric prices? Pounds, shillings and pence. Or is it okay to write them as they are on the books, i.e. 3/6 = three shillings and six pence.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 13:38, 7 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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I've been told that if there are no pence, we should use a dash - e.g. "three shillings exactly" is "3/-".<br />
I don't own any book that would give me an example of POUNDS, shillings and pence. I think there must have been a few, but those were no doubt luxury editions, and would probably need an explanation of "Guineas" too.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:16, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Check outcome of discussion on use of # in ISBN field==<br />
Hi Mike - I saw you added this but am not sure what page the discussion is on. I saw that you had edited the ISBN help to asking that people not enter the hyphens. That surprised me as I thought we wanted the hyphens as it makes it easier for humans to verify that the ISBN is correct. As moderators, hyphens work to our advantage because right now the moderator/approval page shows the raw data meaning that if I see a hyphenated value I know that an editor entered it with hyphens and ISFDB did not recognize it as an ISBN otherwise it would have stripped out the hyphens. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:28, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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Here's an update since I can't find the ISBN discussion. I just entered/verified a book (Starship by Brian W. Aldiss...) using an ISBN of V2321. ISFDB set up links to Amazon, etc. in the navbar as though this was a valid ISBN. I edited the pub to prefix the catalogue code with # and that got rid of the links to Amazon. I suspect it's a bug but might as well include this with the ISBN discussion.) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:59, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thanks for the update -- I guess I misunderstood the outcome of that discussion. I had previously been entering ISBNs exactly as they appeared on the books, with the hyphens; this led to ISBNs that were truncated and incorrect. I rather suspect that's what's going on with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 this pub], for example; if you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?227671 title reference] you'll see there's something odd going on with the ISBN. I entered that from my copy; it's in my daughter's room and she's asleep right now, so I can't check it, but I'm willing to bet I entered that ISBN with hyphens and if I reenter it without hyphens it will fix the problem.<br />
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:What have you been doing for data entry of ISBNs? Are you using hyphens successfully? I know it displays them on output, but I'd like to know how to use them on input if that can work.<br />
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:For the "#", I take the point about the Amazon link -- hadn't noticed that. However I really dislike that "#" because it isn't actually on the publication. I would rather enter the real data and treat the Amazon link problem as a bug or feature request. Did we have a discussion on this somewhere about the pros and cons of the "#"? I am afraid we did, and it was agreed to use it, but I can't find that discussion now. I really want to suggest we make it optional, at least. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Regarding the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 pub] with the odd ISBN. I did an edit-pub and change the page count from 40 to 40x so that on the mod-screen I could see what the DB value was for the ISBN. The approval screen said <br />
:::{| border="1"<br />
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! align=left|Column!! align=left|Current [Record #100841]!! align=left|Proposed Changes<br />
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|'''Isbn:'''|| bgcolor="#ffc0c0"|0-590-42833-0|| bgcolor="#d0ffd0"|0590428330<br />
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::It looks like the ISBN had been entered with hyphens before Al started removing them. It seems like there’s a lot of outstanding project requests but yet another one will be to do a DB scan and for all of the publications with valid (good checksum) hyphenated ISBNs we need to remove the hyphens. I believe I have already reported the display bug where the code is inconsistent in its interpretation of valid vs. invalid data.<br />
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::Yes, I am entering hyphens successfully. At the moment when you enter a publication the code looks at the ISBN and if it looks valid, including the checksum, the code will remove the hyphens. Thus had you reentered or just edited your book it would work. There is a bug in this area where if the checksum is not valid then the hyphens are not removed but some of the display code does assume it’s a valid ISBN and that leads to messy results. The good news is that on the moderator screen if you see hyphens then you know it’s an invalid ISBN. If the hyphens are gone then we know it’s either a valid ISBN (editor entered it with hyphens and they were stripped) or it’s an invalid ISBN entered without hyphens). I already have a feature request in for ISBN to better explain it’s interpretation of the data rather than us needing to rely on non-obvious (and unreliable) clues like hyphens in the mod-screens or if the link to Amazon is there.<br />
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::I agree with you about the “#” stuff and that it’s not stated and don’t particularly like the # prefix but also see that it helps makes the edit/display logic very clean and also easy to understand for the humans. Right now the code is getting messy as it attempts to allow for or to deal with human error when entering data into ISFDB, publisher errors, codes that look like ISBNs but are not (SBNs for example), etc. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Genre authors in non-genre periodicals ==<br />
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Hi Mike!<br />
I found where my "talk" page is accessed (I am a brand NOOB about wiki) and read your note about The Universe Well Lost. What is policy regarding stories that we want to index, because they are SF or are by an SF writer (like Sturgeon), but first appeared in a non-SF magazine? Should we add a note to the title record for the story?<br />
[[User:Chenrich|Chenrich]] 16:36, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re: recent edits (a little late) ==<br />
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Mike: you left a note for me which included the following puzzle:<br />
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"One is you've been deleting the "jvn" that is found in some of the Story Length fields. In fact this is intended to be there; I just realized it's not documented properly."<br />
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I hate to say this but, I've never even SEEN "jvn" on an entry let alone removed it.<br />
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It would seem that either something I'm doing is triggering an automatic removal or some error in a script is removing it. Where does the info show up?? I'd like to help track this down if I can...<br />
[[User:Dsorgen|Dave Sorgen]] 20:54, 17 Jan 07<br />
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:As I dealt with one of these dropped "jvn"s today I took a look into what I had approved/edited and then was able to replicate the issue with one of my test titles. It's an ISFDB bug. See [[Open_Editing_Bugs]] 10090 Minor dataloss – Edit-pub wipes out title storylens for novels. Dave is right in that he's never seen a "jnv" and I filed a bug report about that too at [[Open_Display_Bugs]] 20092 Display of storylen for novels. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:42, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Marc, thanks for figuring this out. Dave, I hope that clarifies it; let one of us know if not. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:50, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Aldiss/Non-Stop==<br />
Mike, on [[User_talk:Thomas_conneely#Aldiss.2FNon-Stop]] you wrote "I could have sworn he'd entered a variant title for "Non-Stop, by Brian Aldiss" at one point, but it's not there now." That's one of the few times where I decided to just leave it as a variant publication. The title record is for Brian W. Aldiss and the publications under that title are by both Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss. Had it been a pseudonym rather than a small variation in the author's name I would have added a variant title. Do you think I should add the VT every time? [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:21, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think so; I understood that to be current policy. Let's take it to Bibliographic Rules or the Community Portal if you think it should be revisited. As with other issues like this, I think the difficulty with your approach would be where to draw the boundary. What about "U. K. Le Guin", which Le Guin agreed to for "Playboy" (I think it was) at one point, only to later discover that the reason was they wanted to conceal her gender from their readers? Is that a significant enough difference? I'd say it was. Rather than make judgements, my preference would be to make 'em all vts unless they are identical in every respect -- punctuation, everything. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::It turned out there was already a title record (two of them in fact) for Non-Stop under Brian Aldiss and so I merged them and made the result a VT of Non-Stop by Brian W. Aldiss. In looking at the main [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?123 title] record it's painful as you can see that the Millennium publication must be one or the other, or maybe both. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:51, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Publications listed "as by Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss" or "Robert Heinlein and Robert A. Heinlein" etc are (unfortunately) not uncommon in the database. They mostly come from Amazon.com, which frequently mishandles middle initials. Have I mentioned the dope smoking penguins lately? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:27, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Magazine Tags==<br />
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Mike, when you wrote "All pubs have tags; for everything but magazine the tag is generated automatically, and the uniqueness is ensured by the ISFDB scripts. I believe the reason that the magazines don't do this is to make it easier to build the magazine index pages", were you basing it on the documentation or on your editing experience? I don't recall manually adding tags for any of the magazines that I entered in December and they seemed to be auto-generated just fine, so I wonder if this issue was resolved a while back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:23, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Wow. I never even thought of just leaving the field blank and letting it do the work! I assumed that the reason it was exposed in the New Mag screen was to ensure the human entered it. I'll update the help to correspond. Thanks for the heads up! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:10, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::I think it goes back to the ISFDB1 days when we had a separate magazine editor who had his own locally hosted database and had to do some magic with tags to get the two databases to talk to each other. Al would probably remember more about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:30, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== More on sigs ==<br />
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Marc, I forgot to mention that you need to check the "raw sig" checkbox to make the sig I gave you work. Also, when you sign on your own talk page, it's smart enough to unlink the talk link (since that's to the current page), so testing it on your own talk page is a bit misleading. Hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thank you Mike - I knew it would be misleading to test on my own pages but for some silly reason I got distracted and failed to test on some other page. The signature should be ok now. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 12:59, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space==<br />
Mike, I noticed that you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space]. Is the editor's name spelled Donald A. Wolheim or is the last name Wollheim in your copy? The contents are a bit tricky to read given it looks like you have both the A and B side stories. Maybe it would work if you create a new publication called ''Tales of Outer Space/Adventures in the Far Future'' Each pub would then list the title of the other on an unnumbered page and would only list the numbered stories for that side. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 15:38, 20 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Good catch; it was a typo on my part. I've fixed it.<br />
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:As for the two pub records approach -- I think this particular pub is the trickiest one I've entered. I don't really like the two pubs idea, because it really is just one pub. The anthology records are part of what's confusing -- they don't really correspond to a single physical pub, as one would expect. I think the right answer is to permit titles within a pub to have a hierarchical relationship to each other, so that the stories could be put inside the anthologies, but I think that's a big change with lots of coding difficulties. So for now I'm inclined to leave it as it is -- at least there are not very many of these omnibuses with anthologies inside them, so it's not a big problem. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:57, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Hello, printings & other thoughts ==<br />
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Hello mike. Still learning how to use site. Discovered enter key works like submit button.<br />
#Printings:Dated printings like ballantine seem straight forward to enter , but what about line numbers 1,2,3, etc.where printing 1-4 lets say are all identical, they raise price of book & printings run 5-9. Should the 1st book have a note saying printings seen 1-4 & 2nd book a note saying printings seen 7-9 & so on with new priced books.Than adjust note for newly discovered printings?<br />
#Older books with letter & number codes. Should i place "#" in front like #F-123 or enter F-123. I see it both ways which is preferred?<br />
#Instead of using "L" how do i get the pound sign?<br />
#I see you have a separate site for DAW books. I have about 200, most from 1-350. Where would this information be of most use?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:12, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Howdy; yes, it takes a while to learn your way around. I hope I can help. Some answers:<br />
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:#Printings: Currently the plan is to have 9 publications in the situation you describe. Each might differ only by printing date (which might not even be determinable) but they are physically different, if only by the number line. In some cases you can derive information about some printings from information in the later printings, and it's OK to enter this information. However, it would be good to explain the source in the notes, and also of course these printings should not be marked as verified unless you have a physical copy to hand.<br />
:#The "#" sign is preferred. I personally dislike this approach, but there are good reasons for it. I think the debate is likely to come up again in the future, but it is complicated, since that field is used for ISBN, which brings a variety of issues with it.<br />
:#If you're using Windows, you can go to Start->All Programs->Accessories->System Tools->Character Map, which permits you to copy all kinds of special characters into the clipboard, whence you can paste them into the price field. The other character I find I use it for is the em dash.<br />
:#Marc will probably notice your comment and respond to you directly, but if not, post a note to [[User talk:Marc Kupper]]. Marc is the DAW expert, and if you're willing he can send you a spreadsheet you can edit with your information. I did the same thing, and sent him about 150 verifications. He'd be glad of any offers to verify, I know.<br />
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:I hope that's useful; ask if there are more questions. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:30, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::*Printings: Note that if you add extra publication entries that you should note very carefully the source of the record. I normally also leave the price and ISBN fields blank to that people don't mistakenly believe a publication may exist with that particular price or ISBN. BTW Mike - I did not realize the plan was to have one publication record per printing. I had assumed one per ISBN/Price pair and that the notes field would have a list of the printings found. One record per printing though makes it much easier to deal with verification. As there is no printing field maybe we should adopt something like "Bantam (16th)" for the publisher name.<br />
::*On the price field and getting the £ sign. You can also use the numeric keypad on the right side of your keyboard. Hold down either ALT key and on the numeric keypad enter 0163, and release the ALT key. A “£” will appear.<br />
::*That's excellent about your DAW collection. Yes, I can e-mail you the spreadsheet. My e-mail is on http://marc.kupper.googlepages.com/contact --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 03:03, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==11th printing of A Wizard of Earthsea==<br />
Hi Mike - I see you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSR0000 A Wizard of Earthsea] using 0000-00-00 for the publication date. The printing history table in my 16th printing says the 11th printing was January 1979. Do you want me to update your record? I see that the 7th [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSD0000 publication] was not dated and someone "back-filled" in the date using the 11th printing as the source and assume that practice is ok with you. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:42, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:That would be great -- in fact I'll go ahead and make the change now. Could you also update the printing history information at [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea|the Le Guin biblio page]]? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
::Aha. I see you have. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Mike - I see you added 5-552-89816-8 to [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea]] - That's a Russian Federation ISBN meaning this may be a translated work. Here's a summary of the ISBN prefixes. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:07, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:::*0- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*1- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*2- French (language - Primarily France but also Canada, Luxembourg, Switzerland and Belgium)<br />
:::*3- German (language - Primarily Germany but also Austria, Belgium, Switzerland, and Liechtenstein)<br />
:::*4- Japan (country)<br />
:::*5- Russian Federation (Primarily Russia but also Azerbaijan to Ukraine)<br />
:::*6- Unassigned<br />
:::*7- China (country) (Taiwan uses the 957- and 986- prefixes. Hong Kong uses 962- and 988-)<br />
:::*After 7 we get into two to five digit group prefixes.<br />
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:::*Group codes 0 to 7 are one digit leaving eight digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 80 to 94 are two digits leaving seven digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 950 to 993 are three digits leaving six digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 9940 to 9989 are four digits leaving five digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 99900 to 99999 are five digits leaving four digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
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::::Mike - After I shut down last night I realized I should have said that a publication being in a particular language or country group is no guarantee that the publication is printed in that language. For example, I have several English language publications printed in Japan that have "4" series ISBNs and am sure that most foreign language books printed in the USA/UK/Canada are using the 0 or 1 prefix. Thus all we can say about that copy of Earthsea with a "5" prefix is that if the ISBN is accurate that the book was probably printed in one of the Russian states. A Google search for the ISBN only came up with English language pages implying that if it's a valid ISBN that the book is printed in English. It could also be bogus data being replicated from site to site. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 17:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::The big Z39.50 search engine at http://www.sigla.ru (click on the tiny Union Jack in the corner to get the English language version of the interface and keep in mind that some functionality is appararently only supported under IE) returns zero hits on 5-552-89816-8. Since the engine is based in Russia and has a good coverage of Russian libraries, it's comewhat unlikely that none of them have this edition, but stranger things have been known to happen. On the other hand, it looks like this particular Pub record comes from Amazon.com and is supposedly a "Spectra" book. I am willing to bet dollars (rubles?) to donuts that Amazon.com screwed up and the ISBN should have been our old friend "0-553-26250-5" -- see http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7653 [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::Hmmm. So you think we should just delete it? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:00, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::Well, what are the chances that any book published in the USSR (note the 1991 date) was priced in dollars? :) It's just another bogus Amazon.com ISBN; unfortunately, there are thousands of them and many have migrated to the ISFDB. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:20, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::::You convinced me; it's gone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:23, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm catching up on random things. Deleting seems fine - I had stared at the ISBN for a bit trying to see if it was a transposition error, someone who shifted a column or row while keying, etc. and did not see anything where I could say "this looks like that ISBN over there." Maybe the verification logic should check to see if an ISBN is in Amazon and refuse to accept any publications that that match Amazon's data? :-) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:54, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Where was the thread about vt display?==<br />
Hi Mike - I'm trying to find the thread, and I'm not sure if its one you or I started, about when there is just one VT that it can be confusing and when there's more than one it looks good. I just added a couple of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?John%20W.%20Campbell,%20Jr. John W. Campbell] books and used VT to get them linked to John W. Campbell, Jr.'s page. At first the bibliography looked pretty terrible as it showed <br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965) [as by John W. Campbell ]<br />
and it was not clear the title was available under both Campbell and Campbell, Jr. I did a hack in that from ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1528 The Mightiest Machine]'' Campbell, Jr. I used "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" to make a new title called ''The Mightiest Machine'' by Campbell, Jr. Now there more than one VT record and the display looks like<br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1972) [as by John W. Campbell ] <br />
The first one is not really a "Variant Title" but it seems clearer that the story was published using both "John W. Campbell, Jr." and "John W. Campbell."<br />
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I wanted to add this to the original thread for comment but now I can't find it. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 18:52, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I had an outstanding action to make that thread into a feature request, which I've now done at [[Feature:90115 Enhance vt display to show both canonical name and pseudonym]]. For the moment I've just redirected the feature link to the original edit-bug link. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 06:40, 25 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Oops!==<br />
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Oops! Sorry, Mike, I have accidentally approved one of your changes instead of mine. It looked like a simple correction of the "first name - last name" order in an author's legal name, so hopefully no harm done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:05, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:No problem, I realized what had happened. Good thing I wasn't testing an Author Merge submit of Le Guin and Asimov! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:09, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::My thoughts exactly :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:38, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:"The Moon Maker" by A. Train ==<br />
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Mike- There is also a second author "Robert W. Wood" but when i used the add author button no 2nd author box turned up, so i entered what i could. also the book lists seven other books on the dust jacket as available from publisher or bookstore, none are in your DB. Should i enter them with cautionary note about there source? They list then as SF & Fantasy.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:15, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Danke! ==<br />
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Just a quick note to say thanks for the tips and info about merging records. Gracias.<br />
-- Mike Arnzen<br />
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== The Land of Laughs ==<br />
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Yes, it was a slip of the mouse. The merged title should be "The Land of Laughs".<br />
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Sorry it took a while to reply, I kept checking my user page but didn't realise I wasn't actually logged in.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:23, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Cover design/Illustrator ==<br />
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Mike, the cover illustrator is listed as an artist, but what about the cover designers? Should they be listed as artists or separately in the notes?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:29, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think the best solution here is to list them in the notes. Marc suggested using an INTERIORART record with a location of "cv" for "cover"; that works too. I use the notes myself. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:48, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moorcock/DAW question ==<br />
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Marc, can you answer a DAW question for me? I was about to enter Moorcock's "Warriors of Mars" and "Barbarians of Mars", which I have in the Compact pb editions from 1965. The title listings, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 here] each show a DAW edition dated 1965. This is obviously nonsense, but I was wondering if there were any DAW editions at all that you know of. If not, I'll overwrite these with the Compact data; if so, I'll leave them and change the dates to unknown. Thanks -- [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:07, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:* http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 Barbarians of Mars] - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:--[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 16:28, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Messiah at the End of Time ==<br />
Mike - please take a look at [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Messiah_at_the_End_of_Time]] --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 1 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Front cover images ==<br />
Thanks, I should be more careful with paste & copy :-) [[User:A.kesrith|A.kesrith]] 11:04, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moving misidentified titles ie:Novels to Collections. ==<br />
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Mike, this may have an obvious answer but if i want to move a title from novel to coll. or the other way, is there an easy way? Also moving title or titles from novel to serial & the other way? Example Schroeder's Permanence is a stand alone novel but Lady of Mazes should be in Ventus? series.Lady is a loose prequel to Ventus, per conversation with the author.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:49, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Changing the type of a title requires at least one step; one for the title, and then one for each publication that needs to be changed. First display the title, then choose "Edit Title Data" and change the pulldown data type to be whatever it should be. When that's approved, display the title again and look at each publication to see if it has the right type; you can display and edit each in turn to change it to suit. Remember that not every publication may need to be changed -- if the novel has appeared in an OMNIBUS, for example, the OMNIBUS doesn't get a NOVEL type.<br />
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:Re your second question: I assume you mean "series", not "serial"; ISFDB uses the latter term to refer to serialization in a magazine. The way to change series data is covered in [[Help:How to work with series]]. Briefly, what you do is go to the title page -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22286 here] is the title page for Permanence -- and choose "Edit Title Data". You'll see a "Series" field and a "Series Num" field; these should be blanked out to make the title a standalone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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==dos-a-dos collections==<br />
Mike = please take a look at this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BTWNTWWRLD1997 publication] and see if how I handled the pagination works for you. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:16, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:That's a pretty neat way to do it. I certainly don't like the alternative, which comes out like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 this]. I don't like hacking fields to make them do something different, but there are very few dos-a-dos collections and anthologies, so I think this is fine as a workaround. You might post a note to Al or at the CP to see if anyone can think of a reason not to do this. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:28, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::ok - I may propose it as a standard where instead of author names we use "A" and "B" with a note to explain which side is which. The reason is the page # field is 8 characters long. I knew that going in and was happy that both Carr and Shaw are short names. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:30, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oops - I just did a test where I changed one of the page #s from Shaw-35 to Shaw-3 and it did not sort up. The logic must look at the page # field and if it's not obviously a number to not sort the record meaning the entire list is not sorted at the moment but instead we are looking at the MySql record order. Well, back to the drawing board on that one. I thought about creating two standalone publications for the collections and making the dos-a-dos an omnibus. I'd need to add notes explaining that the publications are placeholders and that it's 1/2 of a dos-a-dos. If I want to get sneaky I make both of the collection titles variant titles of each other and they will vanish from the author bibliograpies leaving just the dos-a-dos... <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:46, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Variant help question==<br />
Mike, at [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant#Marking_a_title_record_so_that_it.27s_a_variant_title_of.2C_or_a_pseudonym_for.2C_a_title_that_does_not_exist_yet_in_ISFDB]] is the sentence "In this case it is generally best to make the canonical form of that title the one with the pseudonym." It's the second sentence of the second paragraph and is throwing me for a spin cycle. I believe the first sentence states there is no canonical form yet and so I'm not sure what you were trying to add to the explanation with the second sentence. TIA. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:28, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
:Marc, sorry for the delay on replying on this. That text dates from before I understood how canonical forms controlled bibliographic displays. What I meant was that if, for example, Asimov wrote a story called "Obscure Story" as by "Fred Bloggs", and it had never been published as by Isaac Asimov, then the canonical form would be "Obscure Story" by "Fred Bloggs". My assumption now is that we want every title by author X to use the canonical form of author X in the canonical title. In the example, that would be "Obscure Story" by "Isaac Asimov" and there would be a variant for the version with the pseudonym. I've changed the text in the help to correspond to this but let me know if you think this is not correct. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:28, 10 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:Betancourt/Dawn of Amber series ==<br />
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Mike , i entered a new series title for two books and ended up with two series with a book each. they should be under one series title only. Did i miss a step somewhere? Also with regards to SFBC is it okay to use the codes on the back page for dating books, or list them as 0000-00-00 and put a mention in notes about the code? Like Foster's Midworld L25 p.178 translates into 1981-06-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:48, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Re the series: can you tell me the titles you were working on? From what you say, it should have worked; the only requirement is that the series name matches. For the SFBC, I would use the codes to date books but add a note explaining the source, as not everyone will understand this -- I wouldn't know how to do this myself, for example, though I know that the book clubs have periodically used codes that are traceable to dates. If you can find a reference to a date in another source, such as Locus1, which is pretty good about dating SFBC editions, there's no need to add the confirming note in that case as your verification against the Locus1 source will show where you got the data.<br />
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:Would you consider posting a note to the community portal about the translation of the codes? It would be useful to others; no doubt some people know about it, but not everyone. We might add a note about it to the helptext for the date field. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:58, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:John Gregory Betancourt - Series-Roger Zelazny's the Dawn of Amber.Have a look at www.bookthink.com/0005/05sfb.htm (Collecting the SFBC)they have a good overview and table.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:50, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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Marc, you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSX0000 this pub] of "A Wizard of Earthsea". I noticed you didn't add the "About the Author" and "About the Illustrator" sections -- can you check and see if they're there? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:28, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi Mike - Yes, they are there on an un-numbered page that's just after page 183. I added these to the publication. There is also an exerpt/blurb at the very front of the book just after the cover titled '''The Great Spell'''. The first and last lines are<br />
:* The words of the enchantment hissed and mumbled on Ged's lips, and then he cried out aloud and clearly, "Elfarran!"<br />
:* ... breach clambered something like a clot of black shadow, quick and hideous, and it leaped straight out at Ged's face.<br />
:Google finds the text in the middle of http://www.isibrno.cz/~jakl/genesis/index.php?Thera/book_3.html though the text in the book has been edited down with strategic dot-dot-dots. I don't even know what to call this and thus am not sure if it's in or out per [[Help:Screen:NewPub#What_to_include]]. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 14:08, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Time Dweller ==<br />
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First, I'm back up and running again now (with my MTU tweaked from 1500 to 1458). So hopefully it'll be permanent this time.<br />
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As for the Time Dweller, I did miss this one, but had listed a few others I wanted to go back and look at. I assume I just need to add a new title to the publication, remove the old one from the publication, and make the new record a varient of the original one.<br />
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Your mention of the comic strip in My Experiences in the Third War also reminds me of the ones in New Nature of the Catastrophe (which also contains a music score). I put them all as interior art, but could change them to fiction. Comic Strip might be a sensible option to have, there's also one in Mieville's Looking for Jake. I suppose they could be entered as a short story against the author, with interior art set to the artist. <br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:54, 12 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Cornelius price checks ==<br />
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I'm looking at some Moorcock books you've already verified so thought I'd double check before I go adding duplicates. <br />
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I changed the price of The Final Programme, Quartet 1976 from 75p to 70p.<br />
I've got a copy of The English Assassin Fontana/Collins which only lists the 1979 date but is priced at £1.50<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 17:29, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi -- on The Final Programme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFNLPRGRM1976 this] is the one I verified -- did you mean a different title? My one is definitely 40p, but it's a Mayflower.<br />
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:My "English Assassin" does seem to be the 1979 date. The copyright page says "First published in Great Britain by Alison and Busby Ltd 1972. This revised edition first published by Fontana Paperbacks 1979. Copyright Michael Moorcock 1972." The cover is green and black, with white and yellow lettering; it shows what seems to be a bowl of some sort covered by green cloth. It says "Cover illustration by Bill Sanderson" on the back. Pricing is "U.K. £1.00; Australia $3.50; New Zealand $3.75; Canada $3.50". Does that sound like your copy? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:02, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: Sorry I meant A Cure for Cancer for the Quartet edition. <br />
::I've definitely got £1.50 on the back of The English Assassin, with a black block underneath and then the other prices are the same. Exact same text on copyright page. It must have been an undated stealth reprint. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 01:22, 23 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::I agree -- your "English Assassin" must be a reprint; that black box is a giveaway.<br />
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:::For "A Cure for Cancer" I think we are also looking at a stealth reprint; presumably mine this time, since my copy definitely says 75p. Here's the copyright page text: "Published by Quartet Books 1976 . . . Copyright (C) 1971 by Michael Moorcock. ISBN 0 704 31". The ISBN really is chopped like that. The back cover says "SCIENCE FICTION/ISBN 0 704 31256 5" then U.K. 75p; Australia $2.45; New Zealand $2.30 Canada $2.25". The title page says "Quartet Books", but the logo on the front and spine is the Futura logo, with "Futura" on the front next to the logo. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:42, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::I think these should be sorted out now, though the ordering is unfortunate. I realised I couldn't re-verify one you'd already done so have put yours back to 75p and created a clone for the 70p version. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 19:18, 19 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Other Days, Other Eyes==<br />
Hi Mike - Can you check your Pan edition of ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and see if there is any evidence of<br />
* Mar 1974 publication date - you verified 1974.<br />
* Cover by Mark Harrison - you did not credit anyone<br />
* Is there a note about "First British Paperback Publication?"<br />
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What happened was I did not realize there were two title records for ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and via scanning Amazon/AbeBooks constructed publication records for all of the editions I could find. When I was done I saw the other title record and merged them. My constructed record lists the extra details but I have no idea how the sellers came up with them. Also, does your cover have the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/772788165.jpg lady with the glasses] or the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/171644290.jpg lady in the window]? <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 22:07, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Can't see any evidence of March; it just says "First published 1972 by Victor Gollancz Ltd. This edition published 1974 by Pan Books Ltd" on the copyright page. The cover is the lady with the glasses; no credits for the cover that I can see anywhere. Googling Harrison finds some evidence he's a cover artist so I think this is probably not by him -- the lady in the window is art but the lady in the glasses is a photo. There's no note about "first British paperback publication" anywhere. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:55, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Dancing at the Edge of the World==<br />
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Mike, I see that you verified the Grove Press hardcover edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DNCGEW1989 Dancing at the Edge of the World] with a date of 1990-00-00. My copy, which is otherwise identical in terms of the data shown, anyway, has a date of 1989; is your copy a later printing by chance? Since it's verified, I didn't want to just change it, and I'm wondering if I should enter my copy as a new edition.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 15:36, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I'll check; I am only going to be home about a day between Singapore (where I am now) and Colorado (where I'm going skiing 10-17 March), so if I don't get to it at the end of this week it will be another week or two. By the way, has "Brave New Words" started shipping yet? I checked Amazon and it still shows pre-order status. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:09, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Have fun skiing! I haven't seen any copies yet, so I'm not sure what the status is. My editor stopped working for the press a couple months ago, so my flow of information has also been somewhat disrupted.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 22:14, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: You have not been to the Singapore markets yet to get a bootleg "Brave New Words"? :-) {{Marc Kupper}} 02:21, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958 ==<br />
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Mike, there is what appears to be a duplicate Silverberg article in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INFNTJAN58 Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958]. Jan has submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_remove.cgi?394321 "Title Removal" request], which I then put on hold. Since you did most (if not all) of the work on ''Infinity'' earlier this year, it would probably be best if you could take a look at the issue when you get back. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:40, 8 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
:I'm back from Singapore; off to Colorado tomorrow. Yes, approve it; it's debris from an earlier incomplete clean-up. As I recall, another editor created this using the EDITOR type, so when I followed up I added the ESSAY and then realized the error. Don't know why I missed deleting it, but it can go now. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:40, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
::Done, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:34, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Imagination - wrong year ==<br />
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Should be April 1951 Beyond the Fearful Forest cover --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 16:36, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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Thanks. The pages in my woeful copy were loose from the spine so there could be some other explanation. I'm going to try to track down another copy for my own personal collection before I make such a notation. --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 19:59, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Reference book adoption ==<br />
It's yours, Mike, and there's no charge. Just give me a snail-mail address and I'll send it. ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 13:02, 10 Mar 2007 (CST))<br />
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:Thanks! It's 2511 Great Oaks Parkway, Austin, TX 78756. I appreciate it -- I've been meaning to buy that book for about twenty years now. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:13, 18 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Shipped out today via media mail, so you can expect it in 7-10 days. Enjoy! ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 16:39, 21 Mar 2007 (CDT))<br />
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==Dissolute Diplomat==<br />
Mike, can you check your copy of "Dark Night in Toyland" and see if "Walt Willis" is credited on "Dissolute Diplomat"? My paperback doesn't, which seems strange: British pubs usually stay quite consistent between hc and pb editions. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:00, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:No credit to Willis at all. I checked copyright statement, title page, ToC, and story heading. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 14:19, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Cheers: I finally got around to making the edits, let me know if anything looks wrong. Or if you just wanted the variant the other way round. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 15:55, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Omni or Coll.? ==<br />
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Mike I have a Jules Verne novel(1958) "From the Earth to the Moon -and A Trip Around It(Round the Moon) described as "Modernized Abridgment". From Earth.. is 80 pages and A Trip... is 125 pages. What do you think would be the right classification?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:20, 27 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think I'd call it a novel, still, but I'd put a note on the publication explaining the situation. Using alternative titles (e.g. "<title> (abridged)" has been discussed, but that brings other problems. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:34, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Brin1==<br />
Just a heads-up that you may want to be even more careful with Brin1's edits: I suspect he's constructing publications from reviews, or something equally strange. :-(<br />
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The one that caught my eye was "Judge Dredd: Wetworks" - the publication title is debatable as to whether the "Judge Dredd" is part of the title, but the author is definitely "Dave Stone" rather than "David Stone". (I used to know him quite well, I even used to stay at his house when I was dating one of his house-mates: he's definitely not the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?David%20Stone older David Stone] that we have as a cover-artist that Brin1's edit ended up with.) I've put the title and author back to the correct ones (Brin1's edit at least gave us a pub with a different price) but to keep the review link I've also edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BNDFNTSSCB1995 this magazine] - that may not be correct, but we'd need another "David Stone" even if that's the way it's printed in the magazine. :-/<br />
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I'm not sure if Brin1 has any more surprises up his sleeve, but he's not responding to his talk-page so all it seems I can do is warn the reviewers. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:27, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:OK, thanks for the note. I know I'm not the most thorough moderator we have, so reminders to be extra careful are worth it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:23, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I sure wish there was a way to pop-up a message as I just held few more Brin1 but if s/he is not reading the talk I'm not sure how useful it is to add more notes. Overall, I believe many of the brin1 edits are good and in fact just approved one where I did a double-take as it was a book I have and s/he added a note very much like one I would have added. I had to go look and see if s/he was adding a duplicate pub but it turned out I had not added the book to ISFDB yet. {{Marc Kupper}} 13:58, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::I have been thinking about requiring an e-mail address at account creation time, but then again, it may scare away potential casual contributors, e.g. published authors... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:42, 4 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::::The DB side of things could check for "new messages" and link to the user's talk page. {{Marc Kupper}} 11:35, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Amazing-The Rain of Fish ==<br />
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Mike The essay is included in the contents page but is nowhere in the magazine. My original edit did not include it. Did you read my question about the omni or coll. If a novel has been abriged(severly) is it still a novel or short story?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:26, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think the best thing to do is to put in a note as you have done, but not to add the content record, as the entry does not actually exist. If you agree I'll reject the submission; or if you prefer I can accept it and do a remove-title on the added record. Otherwise let me know how else we might approach this one. Sorry about the slow reply on the other question; I've answered above -- hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:36, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: I thought it best to include what was in the contents page, because the essay maybe referenced somewhere else and if someone was looking for it they would find the note about it not being in the magazine. Although if you think its best than delete the submission. On the other question i'll treat them as novels and enter it as an omni, but not tonight have to go to london tomorrow, will be gone for a couple of days.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:00, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden ==<br />
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Mike, you verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THVSNRWNDR1984 The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden: Audubon's Early Years] by Le Guin and Sanders back in December. Would you say that, at 79 pages, Sanders's piece is a novella (as Locus describes it)? And do we want to change "Authors: uncredited" to Le Guin and Sanders? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:49, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Aargh. I hate estimating lengths. I'll do a rough word count on a page, and multiply, and see what I get. Re "uncredited": this format was based on an approach discussed on the CP, though I don't think there was a consensus. The idea was that a dos-a-dos book should be done as an anonymous omnibus, since placing authors at the pub level implied collaboration. The contents then get appropriate attribution at the title level. The discussion was really about Ace doubles, but of course it applies here too (these are dos-a-dos). So if you want to change them, that's fine, but I'm not sure it's worth it till we get a consensus on the definitive approach to doubles. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:00, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification! I do remember the dos-a-dos discussion, alhtough it occurred while I was mostly busy elsewhere, so I may not have done it justice. Personally, I am inclined to enter dos-a-dos Authors at the Publication level as well since I tend to think of "uncredited" as something that we would want to use exclusively for anonymous authors and editors. However, it's not a huge deal and I can certainly wait until we sort it all out. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:51, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Well, I don't think that others are necessarily entering dos-a-dos works in the same way. Personally I think the right answer is a change in the software to permit special handling for this kind of book, but that will have to wait. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:19, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Aldiss/Starswarm ==<br />
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Mike, can you check and see if your copy has "Sector Grey" spelled with an "e" or "a" my copy is spelled "Gray" if yours is "e" than mine is a variant, thanks. I see my Rain of Fish is still on hold(to keep or not to keep that is the question?):-)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:46, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Always Coming Home ==<br />
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Do you think this should be classified as a collection? Some of the stories/songs appeared in other works but as there are so many publications it'll be a pain to add all of the stories to each one.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHMR1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon and am pretty sure it matches your edition as I have a copy.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWYSCH1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon but am unsure if it matches your edition.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHML1986}} which you also verified - You have the ISBN as 0-575-038555-1 but that's one digit too long though ISFDB does not complain about it. I guess the only clue is the header is "Catalog ID:" and not "ISBN." I believe the ISBN should be 0-575-03855-1 as in {{amazon|0575038551}} and {{amazon.co.uk|0575038551}} and so updated the publication record.<br />
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{{Marc Kupper}} 19:08, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think of it as a novel; a reverse fixup, if you like -- bits are easily publishable elsewhere. Yes, both images are right; and I rechecked the ISBN and you are correct on the fix -- good catch. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:47, 19 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Mankind Under the Leash, Thomas M. Disch ==<br />
Mike, you verified the first Ace [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?PLNTXLE1966 publication] of this title, but did so showing the author(s) as "Uncredited." Did you mean that about the cover artist or the writer(s)? I was scanning an eBay auction today, and saw a copy with Disch's name on the cover... ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 21:04, 27 May 2007 (CDT))<br />
:Hi, Scott -- it's uncredited because of the approach I was taking at the time, which is that an Ace double is an omnibus with an anonymous editor. The individual books get credited to the authors, but the overall title is not credited to either.<br />
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:The alternative is to credit the book to both, which just seems ugly to me. I think that the right answer, long-term, is to have special display logic for anonymous omnibuses or dos-a-dos books. For now, deal with it however you think best -- we never reached a consensus to use this approach, though there was no agreement on any other representation of dos-a-dos books either. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 13:58, 29 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: I personally credit both authors though know the [[Template:PublicationFields:Author|help]] says to state it as "N/A" though {{a|n/a}} shows that that only one person read and followed that bit of help implying the help page should be updated to drop the reference to "N/A" but I'm not sure if people-consensus is that they use "uncredited" or state the author names. {{Marc Kupper}} 15:00, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Welcome back ==<br />
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Mike, I see you must have had more than two consecutive minutes for ISFDB recently and so figured I'd welcome you back and may even send you some DAW verifications to look into though not until the weekend. {{Marc Kupper}} 14:46, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: Yes, welcome back! I know I've added some DAW stuff recently (from Josh Kirby cover-art references mostly, I think, and all the pages they led me to) so there is probably work to be done fixing up my and/or my publications errors. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:04, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Page numbers for artwork ==<br />
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I want to modify the help on interiorart so it explicity states what was relayed to me by Ahasuerus, namely, "Listing the first page on which a piece of art appears". The magazine used as an example is the December 1956 issue of '''Infinity'''. The first piece of artwork for the Lesser story is actually on page nine although the database entry lists it as page five. Since it is also acceptable (though not mandatory) to print the page number for each piece of art (and help should reflect this more explicitly) it seems like the actual page number where the art appears should used. Clarification?--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 11:14, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think there has been some debate on where to enter the artwork page number. If I recall correctly, I was arguing for making the page number the same as that of the story. The reason was that I thought it was likely we would not enter every single illo for a story; we would only record the fact that story X was illustrated by author Y. In that case, the page number couldn't in general reflect the page number of the artwork, so it seemed sensible to use the page number on which the story started.<br />
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:I don't think we ever got complete consensus on it, but we did agree that ''if'' you're entering every illo, you obviously do put the artwork in with page numbers referring to each illo in turn. The problem with that approach, for me, was that there were no titles for the illos; it didn't really seem to me that the multiple illos were separate delivered artefacts, any more than we index the chapters in a novel separately. But there was no consensus, so I suggest you do something consistent and reasonable and document it in the help. Does that make sense? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:55, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I am going to change it to say that the first page where artwork is found should be used. Al and Ahasuerus intended this. It will save editing time if an eventual consensus is reached that all pages should be entered, which is what Al would like to do. Artists like Virgil Finlay and Hannes Bok take my breath away every time I come across a piece of their work; I consider each piece they do a seperate masterpiece.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 08:13, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::: I haven't been entering every illustration, but may eventually: as usual Marc keeps raising the bar. I notice that even he doesn't enter it all as Interiorart though, e.g. see what he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WHNTHGRNST0000 did here]. The titles are ''paraphrases'' of text in the main novel. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 12:43, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: There ya go - makin'un 'ple of me 'gin. :-) The publication I entered should be viewed as an exception rather than as a "standard" on how to treat illustrations. In that case I entered the illustrations as the publication was unusual in several ways. 1) It has a list of illustrations page. 2) DAW books rarely have interior art. 3) The drawings are cool. I started to the enter the illustrations in the ISFDB contents but then realized they were titled using paraphrased text and did not have actual titles and so went with the publication notes.<br />
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:::: FWIW - I don't have a strong opinion on if and how illustrations should be entered. In one case I carefully described the illustrations for a Ursula Le Guin book, including the little dohickies at the start of each chapter and top of each page as the story had been reprinted by several publishers and I wanted other editors to be able to title-merge illustration credits if possible or if they cloned the publication to know if they should delete the illustrator credit. Usually though I just note the artist's name and either no page #, the first page of a story if there is more than one illustration, or the page # of the illustration if there's just one. The primary goal is to acknowledge that the person did the work so that if someone wants to collect a particular illustrator's work they will know where to find it. {{Marc Kupper}} 22:07, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Change to verified pub Infinity, October 1956 ==<br />
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Changed Infinity's Choice from short story to essay because it is book review column.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 07:40, 26 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Runestaff ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added the cover-art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 your verified pub] if you'd like to check it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:15, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars ==<br />
Another heads-up that I added the price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123671 your edition] based on the review I found. Are the notes clear enough for your taste? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 07:28, 20 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson's After Doomsday ==<br />
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Mike, can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965 this verified edition] of Anderson's novel and see if the catalog number in the db is correct? Tuck shows the catalog number is 1798. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:25, 22 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Tuck's right; don't know why I made that mistake, but I'm glad you spotted it. I've fixed it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:19, 28 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I've added a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128141 cover image] --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 16:47, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie ==<br />
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Added a cover and artist update to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?STRPRNCCHR1976 Star Prince Charlie]. Does it match? [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 07:31, 9 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson, The Warriors From Nowhere ==<br />
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Copied from verification page.<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1980 Agent of the Terran Empire] Ace, 0-441-01066-0 it's The Warriors From Nowhere. In the other four publications of that title it's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?62695 Warriors from Nowhere]. Can someone with one of those pubs please check. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1977 Coronet] edition was verified by Mike Christie, I'll ask on his talk page also. Thats a British edition, so I'd still like to know about the other US editions. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 22:41, 13 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: Mike, I've added cover-art to that pub as I believe I have the identical edition. I'll respond to the verification request as well. However, I also corrected the "Honourable Enemies" entry back to the British spelling it actually has, so please double-check that too - I'm beginning to worry about US printings being overstamped for the UK market, although I've not seen that in Coronet yet. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 13:10, 14 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Home page protected ==<br />
Mike - your home page has turned into a target for OamTra. I protected it as it looks like the only people who normally edit it are moderators but did not add <nowiki>{{protected}}</nowiki>. Your user-talk page is still unprotected. {{Marc Kupper}} 23:50, 22 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added cover-art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 verified pub] and standardised the ISBN. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:38, 27 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
And cover-art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16086 this pub]. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:30, 9 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Merman's Children ==<br />
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I've added the cover art[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22013] plus a note about the printing.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:51, 11 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Caviar ==<br />
DGeiser13 added art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6458 verified pub], please check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 10:49, 13 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash ==<br />
I've added covers to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26239 Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash] if you'd like to check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 09:39, 28 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Butterfly Kid ==<br />
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I added cover art to your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36689 this novel]. As I have the same edition I can safely assume it has the same cover as yours. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:38, 7 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Sword and the Stallion ==<br />
Can you please check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSWRDNDTH1984 verified pub] - the Publisher and ISBN don't seem to match up. (Panther would normally be an 0586 prefix.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:29, 24 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== change to title in pub you verified ==<br />
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I'm changing an author's name in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?806309 this omnibus (Ace double)] from "Avaram Davidson" to "Avram Davidson". I think everything in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RCNNNSW1966 the pub itself], which is what you're listed as having verified, actually had it correctly. Please let me know if this is a problem. Thanks! -- [[User:Davecat|Dave (davecat)]] 16:07, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Mike is on an extended ISFDB vacation, so we may want to repost this request on the Verification board in case somebody has a copy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:44, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oh, I see that you have already posted on the Help Desk! Never mind then :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:53, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Could you please check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89769 this pub] you have verified; I would like to know if ''112 • Strictly Confidential • shortfiction'' was by Gordon Dickson or Gordon R. Dickson. Something wrong happened to the author's record and we are trying to recover the missing info. Thanks. I'm also posting this on the [[ISFDB:Verification_requests|Verification board]]. --[[User:Roglo|Roglo]] 15:16, 11 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== The Star Fox ==<br />
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I have uploaded an image for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117861 verified publication] plus added a couple of notes. {{Marc Kupper}} 04:49, 23 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== Note to the outside world ==<br />
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It would be great if we could co-ordinate our work with yours. I would be glad to re-prioritize some of the tasks I am likely to do if they are consistent with your goals. I think I have pretty much exhausted my collector's budget for a lifetime but I do have nearly all of the mags from the 50's and the major titles from the 60's. My collection is quite accessible so if I have a pub that is not in your collection feel to ask questions.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 21:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't think I'll have much need for you to reprioritize data entry -- I have good index references, as well as having a decent collection (if not as good as Ahasuerus's). If I do have a need to look at a 50s or 60s issue that I don't have, I'll definitely ask you. That could come up if I have a question about something that the indexes don't cover, such as circulation figures, in an issue I don't have. Thanks for the offer.<br />
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:One thing that the ISFDB doesn't do well, though the data is there, is to look at a magazine over a period of time. For example, in the bibliographic details for each magazine, I like to be able to list the changes in page count and size, and the use of different internal features like letters, or science articles. There's no easy way to do most of this in the ISFDB, though you can look up this information issue by issue. At least it's there. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Circulation figures ==<br />
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Mike Ashley's ''Gateways to Forever'' which covers the sf mags of the 70's also has tables in Appendix 5 which list magazine circulation figures for 1962 through 1980.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 15:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Outstanding! Thanks for letting me know; I have that book but hadn't noticed. Much appreciated! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::Just stopping by to say "Hi!" and point out that your signature link to the Talk page seems to be broken :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::A link to the page being displayed always shows as bold rather than a clickable link. That is a feature of the MediaWiki software. Look at any of my sigs on my talk page. [[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 17:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, very devious! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Fox versus H. Fox ==<br />
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I've taken the liberty of adjusting several of your verified pubs to reflect the cover-artist as I read the signature. There's an [[Bio:H._Fox|H. Fox]] that seems to have done many of the Badger Books and Magazines, but I don't think it's the same person as [[Bio:Fox|Fox (no "H"]]. If you've got a magnifying glass handy, and some spare time for ISFDB, can you please check to see if there's a little "H" under the "Fox" on your Badger covers? The "Fox" probably also has an underline coming off the "X". The most dubious edit I made was probably to {{P|BDGRSNS73|name=Supernatural Stories Number 73}} which has a slightly different signature to my eyes, see [http://www.peltorro.com/sn073.jpg here]. But I'm working from secondary sources so a good Primary re-check would be good. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date to verified ==<br />
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I added a printing date to your verified THE TOMBS OF ATUAN (THTMBSFTNS1980). from a later printing.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarians of Mars ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added the artist J. Cawthorn to your verified ''{{p|123151|name=Barbarians of Mars}}''. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 06:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Ground Zero Man ==<br />
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Added $AUS & $NZ prices to {{P|GRNDZM1971A}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG01136] . My copy matches yours except the copyright pages says "First Pocket Books printing December 1984". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 22:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Hi, Mike! Just did a Currey and Transient on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} and there is a signature on the bottom left corner of the cover (not Powers') but I can't quite make it out. Maybe you can recognize it?--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling-cover artist not Vaughn Andrews ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THTLLNG2000] . My copy matches your verification. This is the cover. [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DAS01XMPL.jpg] . In checking the backcover inner flap I found this in my copy. Jacket art (figures) copyright Hulton-Deutsch Collection / CORBIS (over) Jacket design by Vaughn Andrews. As I understand it, Andrews was not the cover artist. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 23:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Pan edition of Case and the Dreamer ==<br />
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Locus #199 (February 1977) gives a January 1977 publication for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CSNDTHDRMR1974 your verified edition] of this title. Does your copy show a publication date or the copyright date of 1974? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I own the same edition I believe (that's my cover, with the sticker damage). The copyright page only gives copyright date of 1974, no clear printing date. It's also erroneous in that it gives "Case and the Dreamer"'s original printing as Galaxy January 1972 rather than 1973. I'm happy to move this to 1977-01-00 if the rest of you are. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::That was one of the very first verifications and Mike hasn't been active here in over a year, so I think it's safe to correct the record and take over the verification. I believe that Mike is still active on Wikipedia, so if you want to be 110% sure, you can drop him a note there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barefoot in the Head ==<br />
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Added some prices and a note about no credited artist to your verified pub {{P|BRFTNTHHDQ1974}}. Mant of the verifiers have said they don't need to have a note if all I am adding is various prices. Please let me know your preferences. Thanks & cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 17:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THGHTMNTHR1975}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THMLCTPSTS1978}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Dialogue With Darkness ==<br />
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Added some notes to your verified pub {{P|DLGWDRK1985}} re: first printing, CDN ISBN shown as well, $C price. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie 2 ==<br />
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Massaged the notes of {{P|STRPRNCCHR1976}} as, with a small magnifying lens, the signature is quite legible. Not sure if all or part of the original notes were yours or DCarson's. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Do note that two sections of a talk page with the same title (e.g. "Star Prince Charlie") will misdirect those of us checking Recent Changes. It's always good to make the section name unique. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Wasn't aware of that! I haven't checked previous contents of a talk page before, but now I will. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Manifold: Origin ==<br />
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Added some notes to {{P|MNFLDRGN2003}} about first PB edition and printing; no artist; $c price and that there is an excerpt in the back. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile/ Mankind.... ==<br />
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Added the two interior artworks (both by Gaughan) to the contents of {{P|PLNTXLE1966}} with notes and some for cover statements, page counts, etc. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roccanon's World/Kar-chee Reign ==<br />
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One of the two interior art pieces (Kar-Chee half) has Gaughan's "JG" on it. {{P|RCNNNSW1966}} Amended the notes. Also added Wolheim's introduction to Rocannon's world to the contents. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mars Monopoly/The Man Who Lived Forever ==<br />
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Added cover images and some notes to {{P|TMNWLF1956}}. ~BIll, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Found Powers' signature on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} (''rmpowers'') on the bottom left corner of the front cover. Added that to the field and amended the notes. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added a cover to your verified {{p|7202|City of Illusions}}. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 03:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Four Ways to Forgiveness ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|FRWYSTFRG1995}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling [2]==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THTLLNG2000}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orphan Star-added cover image/notation ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPHNSTRGXG1977]. I added the cover image and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 01:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Flinx in Flux- added cover/notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG03465]. I added the cover as per my copy compared to your ver. I added notation and deleted map to change it to "The Blight"(space map)(Flinx in Flux). I took the titling from the upper left corner, which explains the extent under the title. Note the two current space empires appear below it. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Bloodhype-- added cvoer image/ notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLDHPBTQRR1978]. I added the cover image as per my copy's match of your ver and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Plus the note "Stated 3rd printing of March 1973 Del Rey edition." was expanded. Approved. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 21:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing Planes ==<br />
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Added notes and the interior illustrations to {{P|CHNGNGPLNS2003}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Eye of the Heron ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THYFTHHRN1983}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 pub] appears to be an amalgamation of two different pubs: the Wallaby trade paperback first edition and the Tor paperback edition, both of which are already in the database. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THLFTHNDFD1976 THLFTHNDFD1976]. Stumbled across it while looking for one for my later printing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Midworld ==<br />
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Added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDWRLDFFCD1976 MDWRLDFFCD1976] that matches my copy of the same 1st edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Content titles in Mission to Moulokin ==<br />
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Hi. I added my 1st printing ''Mission to Moulokin'' by cloning your {{P|MSSNTMLKNX1979}} 2nd printing entry. I noticed that the bare "About the Author" and "Map" content titles don't conform to the current practice of embedding the containing work title parenthetically. Of course, there's also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Titles_for_Maps_as_Content this discussion] about titling maps, but be that as it may.... I was thinking that while I noticed it I would change the title records. If I understand correctly, I would edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268211 About the Author] title and this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268201 Map] title. And then since I don't know how it all ties together, I'd go check the pubs with content using those titles and verify that the change was reflected in them. :-)<br />
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Do you agree, and, if so, is the above the right way to go about it? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul ==<br />
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I added coverart and some notes on your verified pub {{P|BKTG05433}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 17:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I added Wilson McLean as coverartist (credited on the copyrightpage). Thanks [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge ==<br />
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I added a cover image and notes to your verified pub {{P|THGLDNBRGF1979}}--[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 02:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions -- notes and interiorart ==<br />
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I added a Jack Gaughan INTERIORART credit and some notes to your verfied {{P|CTYLLSNS1967}} based on my copy of the same edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Other Wind ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|OTHRWND2001}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|WZRDFRTHSR0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Wind's Twelve Quarters ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|THWNDSTWLV0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to user rights ==<br />
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Just to let you know that there was a discussion of the best way to handle inactive moderators over on [[ISFDB talk:Policy]]. The executive summary of the discussion is that a moderator who hasn't been active for a over a year will have a hard time keeping up with all the policy and software changes that we have been going through. [[ISFDB:Policy]] has been updated accordingly and, since you haven't been active since mid-2007, I have turned your "moderator" flag off, so when you come back, you won't be able to approve submissions. No need to panic, though :) as we have a list of [[Moderator Qualifications]] and you can reclaim the ability to approve submissions once you go through the process. Hope to see you again when you have time for the ISFDB! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in the Far Future / Tales of Outer Space (Ace Double D-73) ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|ADVFFTOS1954}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|BFFLGLSNDT1990}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's Always Coming Home ==<br />
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Are you certain about the date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LWYSCH1985 this pb edition] of the title? That is very close to the hardcover edition, and before the UK edition. There is a record almost identical dated January 1987. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 17:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars [2]==<br />
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Added cover images to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WRRRSFMRSL1965 this]] and the other two Compact pub records. The price is clear in the image if you want to adjust the notes. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Sundered Worlds ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDRDWRL1965]]--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, October 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover photo to your verified pub: {{P|FANTUNIVOCT1956}} -- [[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 09:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - August 1958 - Cover ==<br />
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I Added a cover image to you pub {{P|FANTUNIVAUG1958}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - Cover Photos ==<br />
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I added covers to your verified pubs: {{P|FANTUNIVAUGSEP1953}} {{P|FANTUNIVJUL1954}} {{P|FANTUNIVJAN1959}} --[[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 18:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Touch of Strange'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/ciu/5d/ac/9b54012912a0480bb0702210.L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|TCHFSTRNGZ1978|A Touch of Strange}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash - Publication Month ==<br />
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I identified the month of publication for {{P|PLNTXLE1966|Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash}} as October based on the information in the third printing of {{P|PLNTFXLNJZ1973|Planet of Exile}}. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 04:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape - replaced cover image ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37543]. I matched your ver and found the image url broken. I replaced it matching my copy. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?EPLBSU1956] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyond Fantasy Fiction #9 -- Queen's Mate questions ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|BEYONDF91954|Beyond Fantasy Fiction, # 9 1954}} is a Jean M. Janis shortstory, {{T|81609|Queen's Mate}}, and on the same page an inteview by Ashman, also titled {{T|236851|Queen's Mate}}. Is this correct, and, if so, what author is the subject of the interview, Janis? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Never mind. I found a scan and know it should be INTERIORART instead of INTERVIEW. I will submit a change. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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I added a cover image to your verified pub {{P|BKTG01136}}. I also changed the publication date from 11/84 to 12/84 as is listed on the copyright page. If you have additional information that indicates the earlier publication, let me know and I'll change it back. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 01:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added the roman numberd pages and the introductory essays to your verified pub {{P|THBRKNSWRD1971}}. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 04:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THWRDFRWRL1976] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ace Double D-162 [2]==<br />
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Added artist credits for both covers courtesy of the ACE Image Library to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== U. F. O. 517 ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:FWSSZLBBFG1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== What Entropy Means to Me ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WHTNTRPMNS0000.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89801 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 12:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:CCHLTFMVBL1980.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Medusa's Children - added cover image/start page number ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDSCHL1980]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LUIB9NV8L.jpg], and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 12:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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Added a cover image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Catalog ID ==<br />
I've uniformated this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFCFXVTGJ1960 CatalogID]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== M. D'Antona ==<br />
The cover of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLCKBSSXBN1960 publication] is not credited, but the artist is M. D'Antona: see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RMNZDRNNCG1959 Urania #213]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:06, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Badger Books ==<br />
I've modified for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSTRNGNSP1963 publication] the publisher in '''Badger''' to make uniform the publisher.--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 07:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified the title of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105991 publication] as ''Out of This World: Supernatural Stories, No. 15'' and added a cover--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106001 SN38]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106151 SN46]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THGLDNCHLC1961 SN50]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 19:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106171 SN60]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month and cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106181 SN66]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 13:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106191 SN70]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106201 SN73]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106231 SN98]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 22:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, artist at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106241 SN102]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BDGRSNS105 SN105]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Volteface'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YD0OLhh-L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|VLTFCXZQJV1977|Volteface}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Bull and the Spear ==<br />
I added the cover artist to your verified pub {{P|THBLLNDTHS1975}} after having verified it at [http://www.multiverse.org/imagehive/v/bookcovers/books/mikebooks/tbats/ this] site. I noted my source and added the non UK pricing while I was in there. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Fireclown ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THFRCLWNHQ1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122431 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Searoad ==<br />
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Added an image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SEARD1991 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 02:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rainbow Abyss ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|1314781|The Rainbow Abyss}}. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 08:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Equator ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?QTRNDSGRGT1973 Equator] but the copyright page of my book states "first nel paperback edition june 1973" and below "Reprinted june 1973", two printing for the same month ? Do you think I must create a new publication ? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Helliconia spring ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HLLCNSPRNC1983 Equator] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Report on probability A ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPRTNPRBBL1973 Report on probability A] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The corridors of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCRRDRSFT1975] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mirkheim ==<br />
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I also have a 1986 version of this book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MRKHMWJPVD1986 here] but the price is £ 2.50 and it is stated "reprinted 1983,1986 (twice)" on copyright page, which suggests a fourth printing overall. Can you verify your copy so that i can eventually add this printing. BTW, the artist if Peter Elson (see PE on the ship bottom left). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== No world of their own ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NOWORLD1962 here] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== For Love of Mother-Not ==<br />
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Added cover for {{P|14161|For Love of Mother-Not}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 04:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of Time - artist added/confirmed/notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]. I added Bruce Pennington as artist after confirmation in "Ultraterranium" by Bruce Penningtion, page 20. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Dec 1959 - added cover/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVDEC1959]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LI6PZ39BL.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Mar 60 - added cover image/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVMAR1960]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515BPYUeu5L.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two", page 68. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Incorporated Knight ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|107861|The Incorporated Knight}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 19:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THBRKNSWRD1971 The Broken Sword] to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?26 Ballantine Adult Fantasy] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:23, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LFTHNDDRKNSS1969 The Left Hand of Darkness]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDRTHS1970 A Wizard of Earthsea]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 One Million Tomorrows]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1 Ace Double] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 04:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I added an interior art credit for Tschirky to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WTS1948 verified pub]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== cover for ''Gloriana'' ==<br />
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[[User:Dsorgen|Dsorgen]] has added a cover to your verified {{P|128191|Gloriana}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:31, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Norton Book of Science Fiction: North American Science Fiction, 1960-1990 ==<br />
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Add a cover image and a note on the printing line to {{P|NRTNBKSF19XX|your verified pub}}. Thanks. --[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 14:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Note on "Eye of the Heron" ==<br />
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I added a note to your verified pub {{P|THYFTHHRN1983|Eye of the Heron}} that the artist's signature is on the front cover. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals, by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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The anthology [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39287 Buffalo Gals] has 5 different verified editions. Three of those include a content listing for "Come Into Animal Presence", poem by Denise Levertov, on p. 14. Two publications, including [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BFFLGLSNDT1990 your verified] edition does not include that content listing. Could you check your copy to see if that belongs in there? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's there; page 14. Sorry I missed it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I think the original TOC must have been pulled from Locus (or somewhere), and they missed it, since three versions (2 verified and 1 unverified) had that item omitted. I've added that poem to this collection, and the other two have been updated similarly. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover for Tehanu ==<br />
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[[User:Bgibbard|Bgibbard]] has added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/2/21/THLSTB1990.jpg this cover] to your verified {{P|1530114|Tehanu}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka! ==<br />
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There appears to be two records for the same pub, and they've been verified by two different editors. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 Yours] is dated 1983, and I'm pretty sure the mass-market edition wasn't published until 1984. It also gives the publisher as Wallaby, who only published the trade paperback edition. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKA1985 other verified record] has the same ISBN, price and page count as the record you verified. Can you check them out when you get a chance? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow on Heaven ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128501 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Tales from Earthsea'' ==<br />
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I've added a cover image, from Amazon, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34251 verified copy] of this edition. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Among Out Contributors" ==<br />
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Hi, I assume this should be "Our" instead of "Out" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?224941 here] [[User:Jonschaper|Jonschaper]] 01:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Virgin Planet (Mayflower-Dell 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I've found a scan saying the price is 3/6 on [http://www.sfreviews.com/displays/Poul%20Anderson_1959_Virgin%20Planet.htm SF Reviews].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I added the price and the scan I used for the price. You remark in the note field coul;d therefore be dropped.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compass Rose'', by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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In keeping with what has become the current standard, I've updated the page count in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 verified copy] of this publication from "271" to "xii+271". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== More than Human ==<br />
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Hi, I've made {{P|94731|More than Human}} part of the ''Corgi SF Collector's Library'' series. I also added the ISBN number.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Treshold ==<br />
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Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|101341|Treshold (Panther, 1982)}} into Panther / Granada on account of the name Granada being the sole publisher named on the cover (to be more exact: on the spine) and also being named on the title page (as was already stated in the notes). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:15, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a coverscan and notes (there weren't any) for {{P|112391|Enemies of the System (Triad Panther, 1980)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:And he also added a cover scan and note to your verified {{P|112491|Last Orders}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I've also changed the complete title to "Enemies of the System: A Tale of Homo Uniformis" to reflect the information given on the title page. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Starswarm ==<br />
Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|107201|Starswarm (1985)}} from Panther Books - imprint of Granada into Panther / Granada, added a coverscan and elaborated the notes, especially about the confusing mentioning of publisher names on this book (Grafton, Panther and Granada al being mentioned at some place). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a scan for {{P|131151|A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows (Sphere, 1984)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness Ursula K. Le Guin 1983 ==<br />
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Could you check a cover from this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100971 pub]? I think it may be the same cover from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189029 1st] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?119161 3rd] editions by Tim White. [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 16:05, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Quest for Tanelorn ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128231 The Quest for Tanelorn] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 23:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Phoenix in Obsidian ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128121 Phoenix in Obsidian] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 00:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency ==<br />
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Hi, I have submitted cover and artist for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10224 pub]. --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 20:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Ursula K. Le Guin cover images ==<br />
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I've added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100861 Eye of the Heron] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 The Compass Rose]. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Word for World Is Forest", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the cover artist for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100801 verified publication], based on the "Powers" signature at the bottom right corner, and the identification of this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Powers_LAZ_org.jpg signature] in our collection of artists' signatures. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I have added all the notes to {{P|2325|Always Coming Home}}. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 19:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, April 1956 ==<br />
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I linked to a cover scan for the April 1956 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89730 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, May 1954 ==<br />
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I've linked to a cover image for the May 1954 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89681 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:20, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== DAW Collectors publication series ==<br />
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In filling out the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1544 DAW Collectors Books] publication series, I have a question about a book that you verified. C. J. Cherryh's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?195933 Fires of Azeroth], 3rd printing, has a note with the "DAW Collector's Number". Since many reprint editions didn't actually list this number, I was hoping you could tell me whether this note was "inherited" from other editions of the book, or whether it actually appears on this edition of the book, and if so, where -- e.g. on the cover, the spine, or the copyright page. Thanks much, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Added additional international prices ==<br />
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I added the other prices to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116591][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25131][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Unlocking the Air and Other Stories ==<br />
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Expanded the notes for {{P|52881|Unlocking the Air and Other Stories}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Malacia Tapestry by Brian W. Aldiss ==<br />
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Only chimera was used for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115621 this] cover from art by Peter Goodfellow (from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401733 The Flights of Icarus]). [[User:BarDenis|Denis]] 20:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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Added scan and notes for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93991 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Lathe of Heaven ==<br />
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Added cover image and notes to {{P|100821|this pub}}. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 17:07, 1 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Solomon Leviathan", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a cover image, and a couple of minor notes, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101371 verified copy] of this publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist for "The Dispossessed" (first printing of Gollancz SF Masterwork edition) ==<br />
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Hi. You did a Locus1 verification of {{P|109841|this pub}}, which is why I am contacting you. I believe the pub you verified has the wrong cover artist (Jim Burns), and I would like to fix this. Some background: I own a {{P|404674|3rd printing}} of the book where Chris Moore is credited as the cover artist. Rtrace owns a {{P|289330|6th printing}} of the book where Jim Burns is credited. In addition, Locus1 ([http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/b27.htm#A859 current link]) has a credit for Chris Moore for the first printing. This leads me to believe that the first few printings of the book miscredited the cover art (to Chris Moore), and that the publisher fixed the credit in either the 4th, 5th or (at the latest) the 6th printing. I propose the following changes to the first printing you verified (and will implement them if you agree):<br />
* Set the cover artist to "Chris Moore". Even though we know the attribution is probably false, it is the name that appears in Locus1, and thus probably also on the physical book<br />
* Add a note to the pub record (similar to the one in my verified pub) that explains the situation to future editors<br />
* Unrelated, but while I am already editing the pub record: Remove the "volume 16" note, since nowadays the publication series is recorded in a dedicated field<br />
Sorry for being so verbose, I didn't know how to explain this in less words. What do you think about the proposal? Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 15:06, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Unbound ==<br />
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I believe that {{P|358878|this pub}} is the exact same printing as {{P|115631|this pub}} that you PV'ed, and that the two records could therefore be merged. To confirm (or disprove) my theory, could you please have a look at the copyright page of your book and check the printing history that you find there? For comparison, in my book it says<br />
* Published by Triad/Panther Books 1982<br />
* Reprinted 1985<br />
I am not sure how Panther records same-year reprints, but I believe it is rather unlikely that they made two reprints of that book in 1985. Thanks for your time, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- yes, the copyright page matches exactly, so I think you're right. Re The Dispossessed above: I would suggest you go ahead on the basis of your judgement. I don't have that edition, and have no memory of whatever I did to do the verification via Locus. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Sorry for this (very) late follow-up, but I still had this "Frankenstein Unbound" issue on my TODO list from 1.5 years ago. I notice that your verified pub is still around - if you're still willing to go through with this, then I think the simplest way to do it would be for you 1) to delete the pub record that you PV'ed, then 2) to just add yourself to the list of primary verifiers on the other pub. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a couple of notes to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101081 verified publication], i.e. everything after the first note. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 09:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 Cachalot]<br /><br />
Clarifying no number line in notes, adding LCCN from copyright page. Notifying all verifiers.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 14:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Terry Pratchett's Hogfather ==<br />
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Is [[http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514xkYhoiTL.jpg this link]] the cover for {{P|108081|your copy of Hogfather}}? I also have the 11th printing, same ISBN, and that is the cover on mine. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 23:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, that's the same cover as on mine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:20, 12 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, I have added it to the publication. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I would also like to make the following changes/additions: change Pages from 354 to 354+{16} to include unnumbered pages at the end, change page for The World of Terry Pratchett from 355 to [355] to indicate it is un-numbered, add note that cover artist is not credited in book. Is that OK? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I count ten leaves after 354 in my copy; the last two are just advertising, so perhaps you're not counting them? The other changes are fine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I thought it was ISBDB policy not to count the ads in the back of books, but now that I look at the [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] I don't see that. Not sure what is "standard." I was just counting the pages that have "The World of Terry Pratchett" on them. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I think I wrote the first draft of that help page, six or seven years ago; I have no memory of any discussion on that point. How about asking at the community portal to see what others do? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I was thinking of the "contents" area, where we definitely do not include ads. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 21:55, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Language of the Night ==<br />
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I see you did a Locus1 verification of the first US revised edition of {P|42684|The Language of the Night.} Did Locus1 give the publication date as 1992-05-00? My copy in hand has only one indication of the publication month, which is a small code of "0692P" on the inside flap of the front cover. I'm thinking I should note the discrepancy in the Notes. Amazon.com says 1992-05-00 for the date, too, but I don't know how reliable that is. Can't find any info on HarperCollins website (too long ago, no doubt). [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 00:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, haven't really been active here for years, so whatever verification I did I have no memory of. I do have a copy of Language of the Night but don't recall which edition it is; I can pull it and take a look if you like. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, more interested in seeing the Locus1 information -- or is that available on-line somewhere? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::OK, found it on-line [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b291.htm#TOP Locus1] but now I am not sure how to interpret what I see. The line for this book says " +The Language of the Night: Essays on Fantasy and Science Fiction (HarperCollins 0-06-016835-8, May ’92 [Jun ’92], $20.00, 250pp, hc, cover by Steve McLeod) Non-fiction collection of 24 essays and other non-fiction pieces about fantasy and sf, with introductions to each section. This edition has been extensively revised by the author; the original was published by Putnam in 1979 and edited by the late Susan Wood. First American edition of the revised edition (Women’s Press 1989)."<br />
::So, what do I make of the "May ’92 [Jun ’92]" business? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:20, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::That's also something that someone at the Community Portal might know. My best guess would be that the two dates are the official publication date and the date the book actually first appeared; they're certainly not always the same. I remember seeing a 1998 copyright book on a station bookstall in late December 1997. I don't know which would be which, though the later one is more likely to be the official one. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 03:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::The date in brackets is given as being [Date first seen] in the physical copies of the Bronw/Contento indexes. For me, when this date is only slightly later than the Publication Date, it doesn't have any bibliographic meaning(only that Locus' mail was peraphs delayed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Diana Wynne Jones' ''Changeover'' ==<br />
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When a work such as this one is borderline, we tend to err on the side of inclusion. I've added a description to the title record which would lend credence to the work being speculative fiction, but perhaps not science fiction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:OK. Thanks for the note. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe ==<br />
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Hello, have added covers (from galactic central) for several of your verified issues of "Fantastic Universe". Thank you. [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]] 00:23, 14 February 2013 (UTC).<br />
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== The Garden on the Moon ==<br />
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Hello, I accepted your submission. There are a few open questions left, however: 1) Well, the English translation is from 1965, so the date for the introduction should be also 1965 (we handle translations as substantially different texts). 2) Maybe it'd be better to rename the Introduction as 'Introduction (Garden on the Moon)'. As at this point we only have one Introduction by Boulle, but it seems possible if not likely that there will be others (and we differentiate same titles by giving the information in parenthesis). 3)If it's really 'The Garden on the Moon' and not 'Garden on the Moon' this would really have to be made into yet another variant title. Do you already know how to unmerge and variant? Thanks for your submissions anyway! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's really "The Garden on the Moon" on the title page. I used to know how to unmerge and variant, but have forgotten. Looking at the help pages it seems the first step is an unmerge while displaying the parent title, so I'll submit that to start with. Thanks for the other fixes. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted the submission to unmerge the UK edition, and because I was aware of what you were doing, went ahead and made it into a variant of the original French title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:35, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I went ahead and verified it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dancer from Atlantis ==<br />
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Hello, I've added some notes and replaced the amazon scan for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116611 here], I've also changed the price from £0.70 to £0.75 as per my copy. Can you have a look at yours to see if it's correct? Thanks. Hervé [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1957 ==<br />
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Hello, I added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89770 this magazine] for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chris_DeVito Chris DeVito]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Intruders'' ==<br />
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Added to the Note for Fane/Fanthorpe's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105791 ''The Intruders''], re the availability of a facsimile PDF of this edition. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 01:54, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Also [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106221 ''Unknown Destiny'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:00, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 ''U.F.O. 517'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The High Crusade ==<br />
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Hello, the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41493 this] publication is Jack Faragasso, see [http://www.faragassoart.com/book/id20.html faragassoart.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959'' ==<br />
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A cover image has been added to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959''] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?95241 ''Fantastic Universe, March 1959'']. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== About the Author (The Tombs of Atuan) ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:MartyD#The Tombs of Atuan|this discussion]] regarding the {{T|228421|About the Author}} which appears in your verified {{P|101011|The Tombs of Atuan}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Earth Book of Stormgate One ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with scan of verified copy here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118521 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 10:44, 13 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon image with a scan of my verified copy http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 12:51, 15 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, March 1958 ==<br />
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Have added a a cover scan of my verified copy to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?91931 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 11:04, 7 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, September 1959 ==<br />
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Have added a note regarding Miller-Contento listing to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds ==<br />
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Have replaced the Amazon link with a scan of my verified copy in The Rebel Worlds http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 14:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Generic" content titles ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome back. You might want to edit the notice at the top of this page....<br />
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I don't know if it's a change, but current practice for generic (I think the help calls them "standard") content titles, such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Preface", etc. -- just about anything you could easily imagine appearing in other publications over completely different text -- is to disambiguate them by including the publication's title in parentheses, at the end. I did this to "Preface", "About the Editor", and "Notes on the Authors" in {{P|257517|I Shudder at Your Touch}}. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Makes sense; I recall that now. It's been a while! I'm selling a few hundred of my books and thought I'd do some verifications and updates on anything not yet verified before they leave my hands. I'll make sure I do that from now on. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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== ''Snow White, Blood Red'' ==<br />
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A couple of questions/comments about {{P|173951|Snow White, Blood Red}}. I accepted the submissions, but:<br />
* Should the "Ellen Datlow" piece at the end be ESSAY instead of SHORTFICTION? I'm guessing it's a bio?<br />
* With the page count as you've supplied it, I think the pieces on p. 412 and beyond should have their page numbers in brackets per [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Page]].<br />
* See my previous note about disambiguating content titles. I'd consider that for "Recommended Reading", and it might be appropriate for the two author bios.<br />
Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Got it. Will go do that now; thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:15, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Clipper of the Clouds'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437545 this publication], but changed the publisher to "Scottie Books" to match the current publisher in ISFDB records. (If that's not correct, please change it back.) A question: what is on the 2 unnumbered pages at the end of the book? Unless there is significant text, such as the last two pages of the novel are unnumbered, or there's an afterword, etc., then recording them in the page count isn't usually done. We don't record pages that include advertising or catalog lists, a usual practice for paperbacks. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for the [6] pages added to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268941 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:27, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing data fields of primary verified records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to discuss changes in the data fields of primary verified records with the editor who verified it. I'm holding your submission to add [5] pages to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250308 this record]. Is there significant text on these pages? Otherwise, I'm certain the verifier would have included them in the original record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I knew that rule, so I apologize; I should have asked the verifier. There is no significant text on those pages, so I'd guess that the verifier simply ignored them. I take it that that's standard practice, then? Even if there are clearly unnumbered pages before or after the main text block, one doesn't indicate that with "[n]" unless there are content entries to be made from those pages? The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages help text] doesn't specify, so I wasn't sure. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
::And I now see you've answered my question above. OK if I change the help text to say that? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Before making changes to help documentation, you should post a message on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions ISFDB:Rules and Standards discussions] page. If there is no objection, and no debate is generated within a couple of days or so, feel free to update the documentation. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I made a couple of other edits recently to the help text and will add links to those there too so they can be discussed. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Airmont edition of ''Round the Moon'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295411 this record]. The price would indicate that it was published several years after the original 1969 printing, probably circa 1980. (Look at the prices of other printings from this publisher.) Airmont sometimes indicates the printing date as a code on the last page or so of text. Perhaps your copy has such a printing code? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There's a "3-77" at the foot of the last page; is that a date? It's perfect bound so doesn't appear to be a signature identifier. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's the printing code. You can update the record and provide the source for the date in the Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Done. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Assassin's Apprentice'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437604 this record], but it wasn't sourced. I assumed you're working from a copy but didn't indicate that with the proper bullet (the default indicates that you would be providing your source in the Note field, but it's not there.) Also, if you include the excerpt from the end of the book as a content record, then the page count field should indicate that as well. Fifteen unnumbered pages would be entered as "435+[15]". It seems that none of the ISFDB records for other printings of this edition have the correct page count either. (Don't know how they got through moderation, and one of them is primary verified by a moderator. Oh, well.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:17, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437605 this record] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437606 this one]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Ouch. I knew that. Sorry, was careless there. Unfortunately I can't do an accurate page count now because I had to ship the books to a buyer. The 15 page addendum starts on 439 so goes through 453, but I don't recall if that's the last unnumbered page or if there were more blank pages after that. What's the best thing to do now? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:08, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Since you stated in the notes that the excerpt was 15 pages long, there's no need to record any of the blank pages or pages of advertising. So "435+[15]" should be fine. It doesn't matter what page it started on. The page count field gives the page count, not the pagination, which is a whole kettle of fish that we don't deal with here. A "stick-up-the-ass" bibliographer would give the pagination, for example as "[1-8],9-435,[436-438:blank],[439-453],[454-462:blank]". You can see now why we just give a simplified page count! Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Howard's ''Almuric'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that there is no ISBN stated in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179857 this publication]? I thought that by 1971, NEL had already started using them. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There is an ISBN; I missed it -- it's just a string of digits at the bottom of the page with no explanation. I'll add it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:31, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::And thanks for doing the followup edits on the titlemerges, by the way! I appreciate it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem at all. It's a lot easier for a moderator to do it, and I keep my eye out for such followup edits. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Binding/format for ''Time Must Have a Stop'' ==<br />
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This {{P|439319|Time Must Have a Stop}} addition came through with a binding/format of "unknown". I'm guessing you do know? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Oops; careless of me. Yes; fixed. I also added a note indicating that this is definitely not a first edition. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== 16th Pocket ''Contact'' ==<br />
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I believe your proposed 16th Pocket printing of ''Contact'' is a duplicate of {{P|289704|this}}, unless you meant a number other than 16. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:It must be; can't tell because I packed and shipped it. I thought I searched those pubs for a 16th printing but I guess I missed it -- thanks for catching that. And sorry for the slow response; I'm selling my house so things are a bit frantic. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. Good luck! I rejected the clone and moved the note about Canada price and the new content / page numbers to the existing entry. I'll leave Ron a note about the changes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover image ==<br />
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... by a user to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89710 this magazine]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Conan from Sphere ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437790 About this record] I have a quick question. I see the ISBN you've listed for the book on the back cover, but a different ISBN inside on the title page (0722146914) from a previous printing. I believe that they did not update the ISBN when they reprinted the book. I plan to add a note to the record if that's ok with you. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 14:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== I add the other prices to the verified ==<br />
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I add the other prices to the verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 22:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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Hi. I added a cover scan and some notes (9-digit ISBN, overseas prices) to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101251 your verified]. Furthermore, I think the writer's name should be recorded as Ursula K. LeGuin (in one word), and varianted to the canonical one, as it is spelt thus on both cover and title page. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:13, 12 May 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Tales of the White Hart ==<br />
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Added some notes and a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?90571 your verified]. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 09:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
:Added artist's name (Peter Goodfellow) from previous editions. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Edward Valigursky ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Ed(ward) Valigursky|this discussion]] regarding covers by Edward Valigursky. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fire Time ==<br />
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Hi, I have found the cover artist for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118841 Fire Time]. It is Colin Hay, see [http://www.chameleon-arts.com/colin-hay/jackets-10.html here].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 13:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Rebound, redux ==<br />
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This is just to ping you that I replied to an old discussion we had [[#Frankenstein_Unbound|further up on this talk page]]. Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow of Heaven ==<br />
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Hi. I think there is a typo in your verified {{P|128501}} where the Australian price should be 80c instead of 60c. Do you have any objections to me making that change? Many thanks. --[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 15:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Bloodhype'' ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon image of Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108291 ''Bloodhype''] with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 14:00, 2 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1956 ==<br />
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Mike: Downloaded an image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89722 Fantastic Universe, January 1956]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Ditto for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89749 Fantastic Universe, June 1956]. As a sidebar, this may have been the first science fiction digest that I ever read, way back in '71 or '72. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Unlocking the Air", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I made a couple of minor edits to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52881 verified publication]: I added an "ix+" to the page count; added a note giving the title of the Paul Klee painting on the cover; and added the LCCN. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher for "Fantastic Universe" ==<br />
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We have 63 issues of "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18631 Fantastic Universe] entered, all of which have been verified. Of those, 62 have been verified with the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6775 King-Size Publications], and one verified by you with a publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93401 King-Size Publishers]. Could you check whether that one odd issue was really entered correctly? Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Deep Fix - Colvin ==<br />
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Replaced cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38232 this book] with a better scan from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge (Savoy) ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128371 this book] with one that includes the rear and also added other prices to notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin - Threshold ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101341 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Condition of Muzak ==<br />
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Added cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125951 this book] and just wanted to check. My copy dated August 1980 has the price £1.50 printed above a small back rectangular box (preumably hiding the original price). I'll make a note of that but could you let me know please. Thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Elric of Melniboné ==<br />
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Added full wraparound cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128261 this book] and other prices. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Rituals of Infinity ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128321 this book] is by Geoff Taylor from his website [http://www.geofftaylor-artist.com/galleries/cover-art/art/rituals-infinity here]. Record amended accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:24, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Queen of the Swords ==<br />
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Added cover scan taken from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125921 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Runestaff ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 this book] with one from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Sleeping Sorceress ==<br />
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Added cover art scanned from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:04, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 thids book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Vertigo ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127311 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:36, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the interior art illustrator to the contents of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101401 verified publication], as credited on the copyright page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Added two additional cover prices to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?112391<i>Enemies of the System</I>] from back cover of my copy. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 17:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Taran Wanderer ==<br />
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I added the (real) Jody Lee cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115891 Taran Wanderer], which you verified... [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 07:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds - additional Pub Notes ==<br />
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Verifying my edition of your PV1'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841<i>The Rebel Worlds</I>], I added a couple of Pub Notes with some extra publication history, and additional pricing. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 15:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Colony - pub notes ==<br />
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Hi, I added a pub note and slightly re-arranged a couple of others on your PV of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437868 <I>Colony</i>], [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 19:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Unforsaken Hiero - pub notes ==<br />
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I've added pub notes on pub history, cover artist credit and pricing to your P(T)'d [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278994<i>The Unforsaken Hiero</I>], and amended the 'Publisher' field in the metadata to show what's on the title and copyright pages. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 12:00, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dispossessed - special overseas edition? ==<br />
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Hi, I have a rather tatty ?th-hand 1975 Panther/Granada pb copy of <I>The Dispossessed</I>, but really need to check one detail before doing an additional verification of the copy it otherwise matches, your PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101351 edition]. Could you let me know how your copy's copyright page compares with what's in mine? It reads as follows from the top:<br />
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:Granada Publishing Limited<br />
:Special overseas edition published in 1975 by Panther Books Ltd<br />
:[...address details...]<br />
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:First published in Great Britain by<br />
:Victor Gollancz Ltd 1974<br />
:Copyright © Ursula Le Guin 1974<br />
:[...printers details...]<br />
:[...legal warnings etc...]<br />
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If yours doesn't have the 'Special overseas edition...' line, then I imagine I can submit a New or Clone Pub submission. Thanks, [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 07:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- I'm no longer here much, but I stopped by for another purpose. I may eventually be able to pull this out of a box, but it'll be a while; I suggest you go ahead on the assumption I won't be able to look at this any time soon. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:09, 14 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover image to your verified {{P|89769|Fantastic Universe, December 1956}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:51, 31 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Night in Toyland ==<br />
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Have replaced the cover scan for our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8897 Dark Night in Toyland] with one that does not include a white background/border. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 22:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Cover artist Colin Hay of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100891 this] is credited on pages 80 and 96 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362758+f this] art book. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 09:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover for ''Fantastic Universe, June-July 1953'' ==<br />
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[[User talk:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] has added a cover image to your verified {{P|88195|Fantastic Universe, June-July 1953}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mandrake ==<br />
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Hi, Mike. I've put a hold on the update to the record as the month is from the Penguin website. I should have added the link when I did the secondary verifications but have now done so. Don't know if this would change any notes you might add? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I wasn't paying enough attention and didn't see that the attribution to the website would cover the month. No, I think the submission can be cancelled. The only other possible edit would be to put in the text the way I have it since that's what's on the book (including "photographs" rather than "photography", and then clarify that the month is not on the book. I was just correcting the text to match the book. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Black Cauldron ==<br />
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Hi, you verified some Yearling ''The Black Cauldron'' in one undated printing P{{p|115871}}. No cover image but I wonder can you verify that we have the correct illustration --that is, probably, the correct front cover image for your book except for the "Special Low Price $2.69" seal. See Cover {{t|143162}}. <br />
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If the Jody Lee image, probably that title is wrongly dated 1990 by assumption that (Dell) Yearling (Newbery). <br />
Anyway we also have this reported, unverified 1990 Jody Lee cover {{t|1717339}}.<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Five relevant publication records reportedly ISBN tp format (4)<br />
# 10th printing 1999-04 {{p|41503}}, Locus1 only<br />
# 38th printing 1999-03 {{p|157221}}, Locus1 only<br />
# 35th printing {{p|115901}}, you verified, maybe your notes, no cover image<br />
# 48th printing {{p|258147}}, no source, notes apparently by same user<br />
: and ISBN 0-440-22030-0 pb format (1)<br />
:5. Yearling Newbery 1996-06 {{p|41505}}, verified Auric, different cover illustration<br />
: Among them 1, 2, 3, and 5 attribute the cover to Jody Lee, yours with no cover image. <br />
: 1, 2, and 4 show cover images with the same illustration attributed twice to Jody Lee and once to Don Maitz.<br />
: 5 shows a cover with different illustration attributed to Jody Lee; this is the real Jody Lee illustration(?)<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 1 that we attribute twice to Jody Lee T{{t|143244}} and once (by user Taweiss whom I consulted[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#The_Book_of_Three]) to Jean-Leon Huens T{{t|1817072}}<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 2 that we attribute to Jean-Leon Huens T{{t|1092028}}<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 3 that we attribute usually to Don Maitz T{{t|1357212}} and once to Jody Lee {{t|143321}} --you verified one copy as by Jody Lee, without a cover image, presumably because this is not the Lee illustration<br />
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: You note "Cover art uncredited but signed with the same logo used on other editions credited to Jody Lee." I don't know see the logo but I wonder whether it may really be the logo of Jean-Leon Huens, as 'Jean-Leon' is similary to 'Jody Lee'.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:08, 2 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: P.S. I suppose that 5 shows "the real Jody Lee illustration(?)" because of the match in style with covers for ''Castle in the Attic'' and ''Battle for the Castle'' T{{t|1537927}} and T{{t|1537928}} (no logo visible to me), which I fixed last month. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:14, 2 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: I wrote also to TAWeiss who has verified some records of Prydain novels,<br />
::: who at [[User talk:Taweiss#The Book of Three]] now recommends this [http://prydain.wikia.com/wiki/Book_Editions_and_Cover_Illustrations article on Prydain illustrations].<br />
::: I will pursue this another day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:47, 21 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Agent of the Terran Empire ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115971 this] is Bob Fowke, as the same art is on page 54-55 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476572+f Dangerous Frontiers]. Thanks. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 21:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cryptozoic ==<br />
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Added cover image to your verified Cryptozoic. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?111781 Cryptozoic]]Thanks. -- --[[User:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] 22:21, 4 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Norton Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I second verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24518 and uploaded a new scan showing the jacket spine. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 07:48, 12 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, March 1957 ==<br />
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Hi. Added cover image to your Verified {{P|89778|Fantastic Universe, March 1957}}. [[User:Xipetotec|Xipetotec]] 07:07, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Aldiss's ''Starswarm'' ==<br />
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Added overseas cover prices to our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107201 Starswarm]. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 07:06, 7 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile 72' Tandem ==<br />
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Added Peter Goodfellow artist to your verified pub.[[User:Collectible Science Fiction|Collectible Science Fiction]] 18:44, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Venture Science Fiction ==<br />
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Hi Mike. While going through what Venture Science Fiction I have, I noticed that in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104291 May 1969] and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104431 February 1970] issues you have interior art contents with "untitled" as the titles. I understand that the current rules say those should be given the name of the publication title if not specifically meant for a content title. Added the 2nd illo for Plague Ship in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104351 Nov 1969] issue. Added 2 illos and one review as an essay for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104871 May 1970] issue. Added notes to issues May 69 thru August 70. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 00:33, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== What Entropy Means to Me ==<br />
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Hi, I've found the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89801 What Entropy Means to Me]. It is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1615101 Fernando Fernandes].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:52, 13 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in the Far Future / Tales of Outer Space ==<br />
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I added pub month with explanatory pub note to your PV'd http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100991. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101051 Dreams Must Explain Themselves] ==<br />
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Hello, I have added the extra page to the page count and a note on the date of publication.<br />
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I have also some associated questions: <br />
:1) Could you describe the interior art (as I presume that it was previously published in Algol)?<br />
:2) Is the map by John Bush also the one that accompanies the classic novels of Earthsea? (We could finally identify the artist for that one).<br />
Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Change needed to Assassin's Quest? ==<br />
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Hi, I recently verified the {{P|565870|7th printing of Assassin's Quest}} and noticed that the {{P|437606|10th printing}} you verified might need an update. <br />
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1) You used the generic Amazon link for the cover, [[http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0553565699.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg here]], and this has now changed to the new Alejandro Colucci cover which was released in mid-2014. It looks like yours had the {{T|1883503|older Steven Youll cover}}, so the link needs to be updated. Any chance you can get it back to take another look? The cover seems to have remained pretty much the same over the years, except for the part just under the author's name where it says "Author of xxxx." If you need another image, I will be glad to look through the Internet Archive for a link to one.<br />
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2) If you are able to view the book again, does your version also include a map, like the 7th printing? If it does, may I add it to your version?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 06:21, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, I no longer have the book. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:07, 20 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Operation Satellite ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87905 Operation Satellite]. Found it on Amazon. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:20, 17 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Again, cover for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105571 Edge of Eternity]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:41, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::And for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105731 In the Beginning]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:47, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Other Days, Other Eyes ==<br />
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Shouldn't the Publication Price for {{P|128471|Other Days, Other Eyes}} be £0.35 and not £0.30? The Notes has a UK price of 35p which matches my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 11:44, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:My copy is buried; sorry, I can't check. It's quite possible I made a mistake so feel free to correct it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:46, 9 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyond #1 ==<br />
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Added a better cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57845 Beyond #1].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 01:17, 6 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Beyond ==<br />
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Updated the Printing History for {{P|116051|Beyond the Beyond}}. Changed the OCLC to a more exact entry. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 17:42, 29 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Carlton J. Fassbinder vs Carlton J. Fassbeinder ==<br />
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Hi, your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115611 Infinity Science Fiction, November 1957] contains [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?298911 Reflections on Falling Over Backwards in a Swivel Chair] by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?51441 Carlton J. Fassbinder]. Could you please check the spelling of that name? [http://fancyclopedia.org/t-bruce-yerke Fancyclopedia] suggests it is Carlton J. Fassbeinder, which gets verified [https://www.abebooks.com/Bedside-Fassbeinder-Yerke-Bruce-Carlton-Diablorist/1171116606/bd here].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:38, 2 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Krazy Kat / Venture May 1970 ==<br />
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Hi Mike. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Vornoff&redirect=no#Krazy_Kat this conversation] regarding our mutually verified above title. Thanks. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 18:58, 21 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker's Books of Blood: Volume I ==<br />
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Found an image URL for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250860 this pub]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 14:18, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== In the Beginning ==<br />
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Cover artist H. Fox found for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105731 this pub]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:30, 1 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cover added. ==<br />
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Added cover for [Fantastic Universe Nov. 1956 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89763].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 15:18, 15 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Firebird's Vengeance ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70138 -- I added more details to the notes field. [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 05:32, 24 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Agent of Chaos ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?319014 this] is Peter Jones, see [http://peterandrewjones.net/catalog/page2.htm peterandrewjones.net], picture swa213. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 14:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Additional interiorart in Sep 28 1981 Asimov's ==<br />
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An editor added a second Val Lakey interior art piece to the contents of your verified {{P|59281|Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, September 28, 1981}}. I accepted it based on an [https://archive.org/details/Asimovs_v05n10_1981-09-28/page/n155/mode/2up Internet Archive] scan. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:51, 22 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Some Kinds of Life - PKD as by Richard Phillipps ==<br />
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Hi Mike, is there any chance at all that you could check the spelling of 'Phillipps' in your PV {{P|89676|here}}? I suspect that it should be spelled 'Phillips'. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 11:51, 14 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry, I sold that issue earlier this year. I know I marked many verifications as permanent, but I started selling all my magazines last year and plan to keep nothing but the ''Unknown'''s. I took a look in my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?515321 this], and it does say "Phillipps" there too, so I suspect it's correct. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 14:29, 16 May 2020 (EDT)</div>
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<div>Welcome to my talk page.<br />
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== Welcome :) ==<br />
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Welcome aboard! I think we have all the "hot" topics linked from the Main page for your browsing convenience. If you have any questions, just post them on that page or its Talk page. If you have general questions (e.g. "what the heck are we doing here anyway??"), feel free to post them either at [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] or on my or Al's User page any time :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:44, 22 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==A note from T. Jackson King==<br />
Hi Mike! This is T. Jackson King (Tom) logging in here to say thanks for the 6/27 welcome note on my talk page, and to ask you for guidance on how I can modify the listing of my short and long works that key to my author name (above). I've put in a third person biography here and on Wikipedia, but I'd like to update my short fiction listing, the awards category, and then link the biblio stuff to the bio page on Wikipedia. I've read through the How Tos and other stuff, but every time I try to "edit" anything other than my bio, I get a screen message saying editing is presently limited to moderators. Having read the main page stuff and info on new software, etc., I guess that explains that. Any suggestions on how I could gain moderator status solely for my writing info stuff? Or can you or Al or who knows? open up my biblio section so I can do as above? Anyway, thanks much for all the work you and others do to maintain this site. While I have my own website, I love Wikipedia (newbie enthusiasm) and have found the ISFDB to include a lot of fellow writers I've known since the early 1980s. My personal email address should be listed on my login data, or, if not, then you can find it on my web site at www.sfwa.org/members/tjacksonking The email address there doesn't work to link to me, but the address is accurate. Enough chatter. Thanks for your time. Tom<br />
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== Budrys ==<br />
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Responses posted on [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:39, 23 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Vacuum tubes ==<br />
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Thanks for the heads up about transistors! Normally, I am not a fan of new and unproven technologies, but spare parts ''are'' getting harder to get these days... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:35, 25 Jun 2006 (CDT)== Agent of the Terran Empire ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115971 this] is Bob Fowke, as the same art is on page 54-55 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476572+f Dangerous Frontiers]. Thanks. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 21:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Oops! I knew I was missing something! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:53, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Thanks for the welcome ==<br />
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Howdy Mike and thanks for the welcome. I certainly hope to be able to help out with fixing that which needs it and the verification process (I almost called it an effort but that implies there is an end to it whereas a process can be never ending . . .) [[User:PortForlorn|PortForlorn]] 00:02, 19 Oct 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==Collection==<br />
Answered on my Talk page to preserve context, continuity, etc :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:58, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
:Answers updated on my Talk page. We may want to move the last part of the discussion to the Portal since it may have broader applicability. Also, we may want to revive the [[Bibliographic Rules]] page at some point since the Community Portal is getting crowded. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:22, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Dropped Text==<br />
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Yes, I saw a big chunk of text seemingly disapper about an hour ago. As far as I can tell, the text is still there and you can access it if you pull up the whole page in "Edit Page", but it is not displayed any more. Probably some special characters and/or formatting messing it up. I'll see if I can unscramble it, thanks :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:42, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:The problem with the Community Portal page was the "p" template which was messing it up for some reason. I took it out for now and the page is back in business :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:51, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn ==<br />
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Mike,<br />
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FYI, "Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn", "Vithaldas O'Quinn", "Vithaldas H. O'Quinn", etc were all pseudonyms used by Santesson -- see Contento and http://www.trussel.com/books/pseud_o.htm [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:06, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Aha. Thanks for that. I wonder what his source is? I just checked Who's Hugh (should have done that before), and it gives Contento and McGhan as sources for this; McGhan predates Contento but I'm not familiar with it.<br />
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:I wonder if it would be a good idea for us to eventually have a "sources" table, with a way of citing a source for any non-obvious connection -- primarily assigning pseudonyms. E.g. the variant titles connection could have a secondary table with a key of parent title, child title, and an attribute of source id, pointing to the source which attests the connection. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:26, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::It's probably a good idea to formalize the pseudonym attribution process, which is currently effectively undefined. However, I am not sure what the best approach would be. Something for the Community Portal, perhaps? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::Yes, but I think I'll hold off on that for now -- it's not going to happen before beta testing, and I'd like to avoid any red herrings. I think we do need a couple more features to go live effectively, but not much, so I plan to be minimalist about non-go-live-related issues for a bit. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:41, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Certainly understandable. I have been reluctant to start a discussion of my top secret LIAM module for pretty much the same reason. My biggest concern is that although the software is currently largely functional, it has enough built-in gotchas and twists to discourage all but the most dedicated editors. And once a potential contributor is discouraged, he may not be easy to lure back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:48, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Good point; hadn't really thought about it that way. I think one goal of the beta is to identify what can be improved along these lines. However, to me the main implication is that usability and workflow enhancements are the main thing to look at between now and the beta, since we can actually *do* most things now. That's why, for example, I think award editing is low priority, but an ISFDB watchlist is high priority. I can't see a Heinlein project team member getting very far without the ability to keep an eye on "his" data. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:53, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::It's entirely possible that the majority of the ISFDB activity will be eventually Author-centric, but it's hard to tell ahead of time. In the past, the ISFDB had two primary categories of editors: authors and bibliographers. Authors tended to be highly author-centric (not entirely surprisingly, one might add) and their activity was sporadic, based on random factors like the appearance of new stories/books, writer's block, insomnia, etc. I can certainly see how a returning author may want to see a list of changes to his biblio since his last visit.<br />
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::::::Bibliographers, on the other hand, tended to be much more thorough and '''much''' less author-centric. Some would concentrate on magazines, others on first editions, yet another category would be interested in certain publishers (e.g. DAW and Baen as can be seen elseWiki), etc. They would be much less likely to benefit from this proposed tool unless it could be made highly configurable and track many different fields in various clever ways, which I consider unlikely given our limitations.<br />
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::::::Finally, there are two other categories of editors from years past: unpublished writers who would try to sneak their work undercover, as it were, and regular genre readers, who typically come and go at random intervals. Having said that, the Internet has grown so much and the idea of user-editable databases has become so widespread in recent years, that it's hard to tell what kind of audience we will draw this time around. Oh well, time will tell :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::That list of likely editor types is very illuminating. I guess I was thinking that some authors have such a following that they would draw interested editors, but I suppose the list of authors that would have a sufficiently dedicated following is quite short. On the other hand, my watchlist at Wikipedia has a high overlap with the pages I've edited; I think a lot of editors would like to work that way.<br />
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::::::::There are good-to-excellent single author bibliographies on the net (Bramah, Farmer, Leinster, Vance, etc) that are maintained either by individuals or by small groups, but I don't think we had a whole lot of luck getting them to update the ISFDB. Or, if we did, they were not as visible as the other types of editors. Perhaps we will have beter luck this time. I suppose that "struggling writers", who tended to be more visible, saw the ISFDB and similar outlets as a way to get free publicity. Clearly, Stephen King didn't need the ISFDB to maintain a decent standard of living :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::The key point seems to me to be that we have to have a way to watch data being degraded, so we can stop it. You're putting in many hours of work doing consistency checks. How do you know they are still consistent? (Well, there's not many people editing right now, but you know what I mean.) I spent a long time on the "Ace Books" article in Wikipedia, and I have it watchlisted. I go check every single edit that's done to it, because I have an interest in keeping it high quality. If I can't do that for, e.g., the Fantastic Universe issues I've been entering, I won't really want to enter any more of them. I recently noticed that a title in one of the issues had been changed for an editorial, for example. I'm pretty sure that Al did it, in verifying against Contento2, so I asked him about it. If 20,000 changes had gone by while I was on vacation, I'd have no way of knowing if those issues were still in good shape.<br />
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::::::::This is definitely a major concern, but I am not sure that the proposed software solution is as easy to implement as all that -- see below. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::I realize that moderators are going to be eyeballing changes, and we can have rules about not approving changes to records that are verified, without some justification given in the notes. That's actually pretty strong protection, but I don't think it's quite enough.<br />
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:::::::To get back to your editor types, I think the pure bibliographers will want to know that their work is not just going to get corrupted, otherwise they won't want to enter data. They may not watchlist everything they enter, but they may watchlist most of it.<br />
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:::::::Finally, I don't think it's necessarily that hard to do. To watchlist a title, for example, you need a userid/titleid cross reference table; pretty straightforward. Then you need "for each title: list approved submissions that affect this title, get all publications; for each publication: list approved submissions that affect this title". The user could click on the submission to see the original update request. That would be the equivalent of a diff. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 21:31, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::::Well, that may be easy to implement in a static environment, but Title IDs and Publication IDs get merged and deleted all the time. I really don't know how much work it would take to get even to the low hanging fruit, so I would need to defer to Al. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::Yuck. Merged ids changing the id of what you're watchlisting; hadn't really considered that. I can think of answers, but fundamentally you're right that there are some gotchas -- though I still suspect we need to do it, or something like it. Anyway, I've started a beta discussion on the community portal, so let's wait and see what comes out of that -- maybe nobody else will agree we need the watchlist function. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 09:28, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Regularized Case==<br />
I noticed that [[Template:PublicationFields:Title]] and related pages do not include "on" in the list of words that should not be capilized in titles. For example - The DAW list has the following and they look "correct" to me but don't follow ISFDB's conventions and I'm wondering if the conventions should be updated or the DAW titles. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:07, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
*''Incident on Ath''<br />
*''Monday Begins on Saturday''<br />
*''Ocean on Top''<br />
*''One on Me''<br />
*''The Darkness on Diamondia''<br />
*''The Sailor on the Seas of Fate''<br />
*''Walkers on the Sky''<br />
:You're right; "on" looks correct. I'll fix this in the templates -- thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 07:46, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Bug 10009 ==<br />
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Looks plenty fixed to me! :) Al rolled out a number of fairly major changes today, so I would guess that he also zapped 10009 as a "ah heck, might as well do it now" kind of thing. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:12, 7 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== "Nevile Shute"? ==<br />
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Mike, does http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVSEP1959 reflect the spelling of Nevil Shute's name in the magazine correctly or is it a typo? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:17, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:Oops. Fixed. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 18:26, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Templates for magazines ==<br />
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I think the conservative thing to do for now is to "just make the template available so that projects that get going can use it". That way we won't forget about it and can always go back and propagate the template if it becomes popular.<br />
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As far as "author-centricity" goes, it's the natural way to ''organize'' projects and keep track of them. It's not that we will necessarily have all that many author-centric editors, but rather that I can't think of a better way to record what has been done and where things stand. On any given day I may jump between a dozen different Authors and two dozen Series, merging things, deleting, adding, checking secondary biblios, etc, but at the end of the day I go back to the respective Author (and sometimes Series) pages in the Wiki to record what has been done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:37, 17 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Collections contents ==<br />
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I'll happily add the contents, it's just I couldn't see a way to do it from the create page. <br />
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I'll try the clone options page next time. I'm only going to be touching any books if I've got them in front of me. [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 08:48, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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One possible beta bug, I entered years (xxxx-0-0) for all the stories in scared stiff but they've all come through zeroed.<br />
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I'll correct those and see if they go through this time.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 09:59, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Cold print answer ==<br />
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It is a collection, with a second expanded edition, so the initial verification as a novel is a mistake.<br />
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==Recent Hayford Peirce edits==<br />
Hi Mike, I see you're online approving my edits. I seem to have done some things wrong, however. When I go to the Hayford Peirce article it doesn't show Der Zeit-etc. as a foreign edition of Napoleon Disentimed. And now there are two entries for Dinosaur Park -- I was just trying to add the month of publication (May 1994) to the original entry of 1994. Sorry for screwing things up! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:17, 25 Dec <br />
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::No problem. You might find [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant|this help page]] useful -- your data entry was fine, but now you need to tell the ISFDB that "Der Zeit . . ." is actually a variant of "Napoleon Disentimed". When you entered "Der Zeit" it created a publication record, and a title record, both saying "Der Zeit" was the title. Pub records track physical books, so that record doesn't need to change. Title records are the things that connect multiple publications of the same work. So you need to connect the title record of "Der Zeit" to the title record of "Napoleon Disentimed"; the help page link should help you figure it out. If it's not clear, ask again. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::A couple of things to keep in mind. One is that we have a display bug in the current version of the ISFDB software. It causes Variant Titles to appear twice, once as a "Variant Title" under the parent title and once by itself. The bug used to be limited to short fiction titles, but now that Al is trying to integrate short fiction and novel length data on the same page, it has spread to novels as well. That's why ''Dinosaur Park'' is displayed twice. It's just a display issue, there is no need to adjust the data -- I am sure it will be fixed soon.<br />
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:::The second thing to keep in mind is that we are currently listing foreign language translations of English language books as Publications under the main English language title. The reason for it is to avoid clutter on the main Author page for Authors that have been translated into numerous languages. I have already merged the German language version with the English langiage original, so we are all set for now. In the future, you can simply use the "Add Publication to this Title" link on the Title's page to avoid the need to merge the newly entered title with the parent. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Regarding Zeit-etc. Yes, the first entry I made I had the date structure wrong (according to a warning), so I went back and corrected it, or so I thought. Evidently that led to two different entries being made. There should only be one. In any case, the date of publication should, correctly, be 1992-00-00 -- I guess! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
::OK -- have a go at deleting the incorrect one; it should be easy to figure out how. I know the warning message you're talking about; it's just informative, and doesn't stop the data being entered. The format for unknown dates is zeroes, so you can just enter 1992 and ignore the warnings if it's going to be zeroes anyway. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Righto -- it's easier to have the discussion going on at a single page. I have already deleted one of the Zeits. I started to delete Dinosaur Park from my list of novels, since it's now shown as a variant title of Thirteenth Majestral. But then I was afraid that deleting it would also remove it from the variant status. Is a puzzlement! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Yup, it's that bug mentioned above raising its ugly head :( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Ah, so you're saying that I *can't* delete that second listing?! That sounds like a pretty major bug to me! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:57, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::Well, it's just a display bug: if you look at the URLs that the two displayed titles point to, it's the same location, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?15751 This bug only popped up the other day, so it's presumably due to the software overhaul that Al von Ruff is currently in the middle of. I will re-report it again on the Bug page just to make sure he is aware of it :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:03, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::And thanks for the on-going tips -- I'm sure that I'll get up to speed on this eventually. I do have, for instance, other foreign edition info to put in for various books. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 <br />
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::::Hi Mike, it's actually a trade paperback, I guess, the big glossy pb -- I should have realized that there was a different entry for that. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 14:23, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Pence and pounds==<br />
Hi Mike, thanks for the tip on the pound sign -- I use the character set from time to time for other things, so I'll remember to use it here also. Regarding the price of the Canning book, however, we've gotta remember that it was a 1973 book, before the pound had a hundred units of whatever it is. <br />
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1971 was the changeover: a pre-decimal pound was the same as a post-decimal pound though.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:06, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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In those days (and I just checked it in my big old Websters) the pound had 20 shillings and each shilling had 12 pence. So a pound consisted of 240 pence. Which means that a book that sold for 50p (or 50 pence, I'm pretty sure) was not the equivalent of £0.50 -- it would actually be the equivalent of £0.208 (50 divided by 240). Or so I think. Maybe I should go back to the Canning item and change the "p" to "pence"? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 16:20, 30 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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A pound still has twenty shillings in it, but no youth will know what a shilling was. (It's 5 new pence rather than 12 old pence.)<br />
You'd never see a pre-decimal price in pence alone, though, unless it was less than a shilling: and those would have been labelled "d" rather than "p". So "6d" would be half a shilling, or "£0.025" in current parlance. I forget when we lost the half-penny, but I'm pretty sure we don't need to go to three decimals after the mid 1980s....<br />
For pre-decimal prices though, 50p didn't exist, we'd call half a pound "10 shillings" or "10 Bob". If it was really 50 pennies, then it would be "Four shillings and tuppence" or "4/2".<br />
I apologise for my country's weird currency shift,but all I can do now is resist joining the Euro and making it THREE currency systems in my lifetime...<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:06, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Burr by Gore Vidal==<br />
Hi, Mike, and Happy New Year! I see that Burr is listed as a novel by Gore Vidal -- he did indeed write, although not on that date, and it is NOT possibly SF or anything associated with it. I just tried to delete it completely from the list but evidently one has to be a moderator to do so. So, would you be kind enough to do so when you have a moment? Thanks! (It's a *great* book, by the way!) [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:11, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Hmmm, that's very strange -- I just looked at the Vidal biblio summary and Burr is still there. Plus, when I tried to delete it, there was a message across the top of the screen that only a moderator could do so.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:34, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Charles McCarry==<br />
Sorry, I just saw why you had rejected my edit -- *after* I had redone it. I thought that maybe I had forgotten to hit the submit button. I'll redo it, correctly, this time, as Non-Fiction. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:24, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==The "pre" tags==<br />
Hi Mike, I'm using them because someone put this info in the Jonathan Gash discussion and suggested that I use the phrase I've been putting in. I myself thought it looked "awful" once it showed up but I figgered he knew more about it than I did! I wish this Wiki had a preview feature in it so I could see what the changes are gonna look like! I'll go back and remove all the "pre" if you think that's what I should do. Or I'll do whatever you suggest to make things look better.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:02, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Okie, thanks. I copied the tag from "Edit" mode, and maybe there were some formatting things in there that were only for the note he wrote to me and that shouldn't have been copied into the Lovejoy stuff. I'll clean it up, but bear with me if it turns out to be a trial and error process.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Bad ISBN ==<br />
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It's impossible to edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO1318 title] as it has a # at the start of the ISBN and it makes it throws a Python error.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 14:23, 6 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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As I've just added a few entries with '#' at the start of the ISBN (as they are old books but have internal publishers numbers) I'm worried I may be causing you problems.<br />
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Although I see no problem with THAT particular entry.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:10, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Danke! I've been seeing that birthday thing for a while now and wondering if I wuz gonna show up -- now we know that at least *one* thing works! And most of the rest, too, for that matter. It's a wonder that there aren't *more* bugs -- my mind is boggled by how much info there is in here and how it's already so structured.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 11:27, 7 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== British Currency ==<br />
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Thanks for the note on this. Is there a standard for the pre-metric prices? Pounds, shillings and pence. Or is it okay to write them as they are on the books, i.e. 3/6 = three shillings and six pence.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 13:38, 7 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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I've been told that if there are no pence, we should use a dash - e.g. "three shillings exactly" is "3/-".<br />
I don't own any book that would give me an example of POUNDS, shillings and pence. I think there must have been a few, but those were no doubt luxury editions, and would probably need an explanation of "Guineas" too.<br />
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==Check outcome of discussion on use of # in ISBN field==<br />
Hi Mike - I saw you added this but am not sure what page the discussion is on. I saw that you had edited the ISBN help to asking that people not enter the hyphens. That surprised me as I thought we wanted the hyphens as it makes it easier for humans to verify that the ISBN is correct. As moderators, hyphens work to our advantage because right now the moderator/approval page shows the raw data meaning that if I see a hyphenated value I know that an editor entered it with hyphens and ISFDB did not recognize it as an ISBN otherwise it would have stripped out the hyphens. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:28, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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Here's an update since I can't find the ISBN discussion. I just entered/verified a book (Starship by Brian W. Aldiss...) using an ISBN of V2321. ISFDB set up links to Amazon, etc. in the navbar as though this was a valid ISBN. I edited the pub to prefix the catalogue code with # and that got rid of the links to Amazon. I suspect it's a bug but might as well include this with the ISBN discussion.) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:59, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thanks for the update -- I guess I misunderstood the outcome of that discussion. I had previously been entering ISBNs exactly as they appeared on the books, with the hyphens; this led to ISBNs that were truncated and incorrect. I rather suspect that's what's going on with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 this pub], for example; if you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?227671 title reference] you'll see there's something odd going on with the ISBN. I entered that from my copy; it's in my daughter's room and she's asleep right now, so I can't check it, but I'm willing to bet I entered that ISBN with hyphens and if I reenter it without hyphens it will fix the problem.<br />
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:What have you been doing for data entry of ISBNs? Are you using hyphens successfully? I know it displays them on output, but I'd like to know how to use them on input if that can work.<br />
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:For the "#", I take the point about the Amazon link -- hadn't noticed that. However I really dislike that "#" because it isn't actually on the publication. I would rather enter the real data and treat the Amazon link problem as a bug or feature request. Did we have a discussion on this somewhere about the pros and cons of the "#"? I am afraid we did, and it was agreed to use it, but I can't find that discussion now. I really want to suggest we make it optional, at least. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Regarding the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 pub] with the odd ISBN. I did an edit-pub and change the page count from 40 to 40x so that on the mod-screen I could see what the DB value was for the ISBN. The approval screen said <br />
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::It looks like the ISBN had been entered with hyphens before Al started removing them. It seems like there’s a lot of outstanding project requests but yet another one will be to do a DB scan and for all of the publications with valid (good checksum) hyphenated ISBNs we need to remove the hyphens. I believe I have already reported the display bug where the code is inconsistent in its interpretation of valid vs. invalid data.<br />
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::Yes, I am entering hyphens successfully. At the moment when you enter a publication the code looks at the ISBN and if it looks valid, including the checksum, the code will remove the hyphens. Thus had you reentered or just edited your book it would work. There is a bug in this area where if the checksum is not valid then the hyphens are not removed but some of the display code does assume it’s a valid ISBN and that leads to messy results. The good news is that on the moderator screen if you see hyphens then you know it’s an invalid ISBN. If the hyphens are gone then we know it’s either a valid ISBN (editor entered it with hyphens and they were stripped) or it’s an invalid ISBN entered without hyphens). I already have a feature request in for ISBN to better explain it’s interpretation of the data rather than us needing to rely on non-obvious (and unreliable) clues like hyphens in the mod-screens or if the link to Amazon is there.<br />
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::I agree with you about the “#” stuff and that it’s not stated and don’t particularly like the # prefix but also see that it helps makes the edit/display logic very clean and also easy to understand for the humans. Right now the code is getting messy as it attempts to allow for or to deal with human error when entering data into ISFDB, publisher errors, codes that look like ISBNs but are not (SBNs for example), etc. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Genre authors in non-genre periodicals ==<br />
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Hi Mike!<br />
I found where my "talk" page is accessed (I am a brand NOOB about wiki) and read your note about The Universe Well Lost. What is policy regarding stories that we want to index, because they are SF or are by an SF writer (like Sturgeon), but first appeared in a non-SF magazine? Should we add a note to the title record for the story?<br />
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== Re: recent edits (a little late) ==<br />
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Mike: you left a note for me which included the following puzzle:<br />
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"One is you've been deleting the "jvn" that is found in some of the Story Length fields. In fact this is intended to be there; I just realized it's not documented properly."<br />
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I hate to say this but, I've never even SEEN "jvn" on an entry let alone removed it.<br />
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It would seem that either something I'm doing is triggering an automatic removal or some error in a script is removing it. Where does the info show up?? I'd like to help track this down if I can...<br />
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:As I dealt with one of these dropped "jvn"s today I took a look into what I had approved/edited and then was able to replicate the issue with one of my test titles. It's an ISFDB bug. See [[Open_Editing_Bugs]] 10090 Minor dataloss – Edit-pub wipes out title storylens for novels. Dave is right in that he's never seen a "jnv" and I filed a bug report about that too at [[Open_Display_Bugs]] 20092 Display of storylen for novels. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:42, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Marc, thanks for figuring this out. Dave, I hope that clarifies it; let one of us know if not. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:50, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Aldiss/Non-Stop==<br />
Mike, on [[User_talk:Thomas_conneely#Aldiss.2FNon-Stop]] you wrote "I could have sworn he'd entered a variant title for "Non-Stop, by Brian Aldiss" at one point, but it's not there now." That's one of the few times where I decided to just leave it as a variant publication. The title record is for Brian W. Aldiss and the publications under that title are by both Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss. Had it been a pseudonym rather than a small variation in the author's name I would have added a variant title. Do you think I should add the VT every time? [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:21, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think so; I understood that to be current policy. Let's take it to Bibliographic Rules or the Community Portal if you think it should be revisited. As with other issues like this, I think the difficulty with your approach would be where to draw the boundary. What about "U. K. Le Guin", which Le Guin agreed to for "Playboy" (I think it was) at one point, only to later discover that the reason was they wanted to conceal her gender from their readers? Is that a significant enough difference? I'd say it was. Rather than make judgements, my preference would be to make 'em all vts unless they are identical in every respect -- punctuation, everything. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::It turned out there was already a title record (two of them in fact) for Non-Stop under Brian Aldiss and so I merged them and made the result a VT of Non-Stop by Brian W. Aldiss. In looking at the main [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?123 title] record it's painful as you can see that the Millennium publication must be one or the other, or maybe both. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:51, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Publications listed "as by Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss" or "Robert Heinlein and Robert A. Heinlein" etc are (unfortunately) not uncommon in the database. They mostly come from Amazon.com, which frequently mishandles middle initials. Have I mentioned the dope smoking penguins lately? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:27, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Magazine Tags==<br />
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Mike, when you wrote "All pubs have tags; for everything but magazine the tag is generated automatically, and the uniqueness is ensured by the ISFDB scripts. I believe the reason that the magazines don't do this is to make it easier to build the magazine index pages", were you basing it on the documentation or on your editing experience? I don't recall manually adding tags for any of the magazines that I entered in December and they seemed to be auto-generated just fine, so I wonder if this issue was resolved a while back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:23, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Wow. I never even thought of just leaving the field blank and letting it do the work! I assumed that the reason it was exposed in the New Mag screen was to ensure the human entered it. I'll update the help to correspond. Thanks for the heads up! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:10, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::I think it goes back to the ISFDB1 days when we had a separate magazine editor who had his own locally hosted database and had to do some magic with tags to get the two databases to talk to each other. Al would probably remember more about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:30, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== More on sigs ==<br />
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Marc, I forgot to mention that you need to check the "raw sig" checkbox to make the sig I gave you work. Also, when you sign on your own talk page, it's smart enough to unlink the talk link (since that's to the current page), so testing it on your own talk page is a bit misleading. Hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thank you Mike - I knew it would be misleading to test on my own pages but for some silly reason I got distracted and failed to test on some other page. The signature should be ok now. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 12:59, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space==<br />
Mike, I noticed that you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space]. Is the editor's name spelled Donald A. Wolheim or is the last name Wollheim in your copy? The contents are a bit tricky to read given it looks like you have both the A and B side stories. Maybe it would work if you create a new publication called ''Tales of Outer Space/Adventures in the Far Future'' Each pub would then list the title of the other on an unnumbered page and would only list the numbered stories for that side. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 15:38, 20 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Good catch; it was a typo on my part. I've fixed it.<br />
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:As for the two pub records approach -- I think this particular pub is the trickiest one I've entered. I don't really like the two pubs idea, because it really is just one pub. The anthology records are part of what's confusing -- they don't really correspond to a single physical pub, as one would expect. I think the right answer is to permit titles within a pub to have a hierarchical relationship to each other, so that the stories could be put inside the anthologies, but I think that's a big change with lots of coding difficulties. So for now I'm inclined to leave it as it is -- at least there are not very many of these omnibuses with anthologies inside them, so it's not a big problem. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:57, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Hello, printings & other thoughts ==<br />
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Hello mike. Still learning how to use site. Discovered enter key works like submit button.<br />
#Printings:Dated printings like ballantine seem straight forward to enter , but what about line numbers 1,2,3, etc.where printing 1-4 lets say are all identical, they raise price of book & printings run 5-9. Should the 1st book have a note saying printings seen 1-4 & 2nd book a note saying printings seen 7-9 & so on with new priced books.Than adjust note for newly discovered printings?<br />
#Older books with letter & number codes. Should i place "#" in front like #F-123 or enter F-123. I see it both ways which is preferred?<br />
#Instead of using "L" how do i get the pound sign?<br />
#I see you have a separate site for DAW books. I have about 200, most from 1-350. Where would this information be of most use?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:12, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Howdy; yes, it takes a while to learn your way around. I hope I can help. Some answers:<br />
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:#Printings: Currently the plan is to have 9 publications in the situation you describe. Each might differ only by printing date (which might not even be determinable) but they are physically different, if only by the number line. In some cases you can derive information about some printings from information in the later printings, and it's OK to enter this information. However, it would be good to explain the source in the notes, and also of course these printings should not be marked as verified unless you have a physical copy to hand.<br />
:#The "#" sign is preferred. I personally dislike this approach, but there are good reasons for it. I think the debate is likely to come up again in the future, but it is complicated, since that field is used for ISBN, which brings a variety of issues with it.<br />
:#If you're using Windows, you can go to Start->All Programs->Accessories->System Tools->Character Map, which permits you to copy all kinds of special characters into the clipboard, whence you can paste them into the price field. The other character I find I use it for is the em dash.<br />
:#Marc will probably notice your comment and respond to you directly, but if not, post a note to [[User talk:Marc Kupper]]. Marc is the DAW expert, and if you're willing he can send you a spreadsheet you can edit with your information. I did the same thing, and sent him about 150 verifications. He'd be glad of any offers to verify, I know.<br />
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:I hope that's useful; ask if there are more questions. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:30, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::*Printings: Note that if you add extra publication entries that you should note very carefully the source of the record. I normally also leave the price and ISBN fields blank to that people don't mistakenly believe a publication may exist with that particular price or ISBN. BTW Mike - I did not realize the plan was to have one publication record per printing. I had assumed one per ISBN/Price pair and that the notes field would have a list of the printings found. One record per printing though makes it much easier to deal with verification. As there is no printing field maybe we should adopt something like "Bantam (16th)" for the publisher name.<br />
::*On the price field and getting the £ sign. You can also use the numeric keypad on the right side of your keyboard. Hold down either ALT key and on the numeric keypad enter 0163, and release the ALT key. A “£” will appear.<br />
::*That's excellent about your DAW collection. Yes, I can e-mail you the spreadsheet. My e-mail is on http://marc.kupper.googlepages.com/contact --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 03:03, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==11th printing of A Wizard of Earthsea==<br />
Hi Mike - I see you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSR0000 A Wizard of Earthsea] using 0000-00-00 for the publication date. The printing history table in my 16th printing says the 11th printing was January 1979. Do you want me to update your record? I see that the 7th [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSD0000 publication] was not dated and someone "back-filled" in the date using the 11th printing as the source and assume that practice is ok with you. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:42, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:That would be great -- in fact I'll go ahead and make the change now. Could you also update the printing history information at [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea|the Le Guin biblio page]]? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
::Aha. I see you have. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Mike - I see you added 5-552-89816-8 to [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea]] - That's a Russian Federation ISBN meaning this may be a translated work. Here's a summary of the ISBN prefixes. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:07, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:::*0- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*1- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*2- French (language - Primarily France but also Canada, Luxembourg, Switzerland and Belgium)<br />
:::*3- German (language - Primarily Germany but also Austria, Belgium, Switzerland, and Liechtenstein)<br />
:::*4- Japan (country)<br />
:::*5- Russian Federation (Primarily Russia but also Azerbaijan to Ukraine)<br />
:::*6- Unassigned<br />
:::*7- China (country) (Taiwan uses the 957- and 986- prefixes. Hong Kong uses 962- and 988-)<br />
:::*After 7 we get into two to five digit group prefixes.<br />
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:::*Group codes 0 to 7 are one digit leaving eight digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 80 to 94 are two digits leaving seven digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 950 to 993 are three digits leaving six digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 9940 to 9989 are four digits leaving five digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 99900 to 99999 are five digits leaving four digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
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::::Mike - After I shut down last night I realized I should have said that a publication being in a particular language or country group is no guarantee that the publication is printed in that language. For example, I have several English language publications printed in Japan that have "4" series ISBNs and am sure that most foreign language books printed in the USA/UK/Canada are using the 0 or 1 prefix. Thus all we can say about that copy of Earthsea with a "5" prefix is that if the ISBN is accurate that the book was probably printed in one of the Russian states. A Google search for the ISBN only came up with English language pages implying that if it's a valid ISBN that the book is printed in English. It could also be bogus data being replicated from site to site. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 17:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::The big Z39.50 search engine at http://www.sigla.ru (click on the tiny Union Jack in the corner to get the English language version of the interface and keep in mind that some functionality is appararently only supported under IE) returns zero hits on 5-552-89816-8. Since the engine is based in Russia and has a good coverage of Russian libraries, it's comewhat unlikely that none of them have this edition, but stranger things have been known to happen. On the other hand, it looks like this particular Pub record comes from Amazon.com and is supposedly a "Spectra" book. I am willing to bet dollars (rubles?) to donuts that Amazon.com screwed up and the ISBN should have been our old friend "0-553-26250-5" -- see http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7653 [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::Hmmm. So you think we should just delete it? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:00, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::Well, what are the chances that any book published in the USSR (note the 1991 date) was priced in dollars? :) It's just another bogus Amazon.com ISBN; unfortunately, there are thousands of them and many have migrated to the ISFDB. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:20, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::::You convinced me; it's gone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:23, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm catching up on random things. Deleting seems fine - I had stared at the ISBN for a bit trying to see if it was a transposition error, someone who shifted a column or row while keying, etc. and did not see anything where I could say "this looks like that ISBN over there." Maybe the verification logic should check to see if an ISBN is in Amazon and refuse to accept any publications that that match Amazon's data? :-) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:54, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Where was the thread about vt display?==<br />
Hi Mike - I'm trying to find the thread, and I'm not sure if its one you or I started, about when there is just one VT that it can be confusing and when there's more than one it looks good. I just added a couple of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?John%20W.%20Campbell,%20Jr. John W. Campbell] books and used VT to get them linked to John W. Campbell, Jr.'s page. At first the bibliography looked pretty terrible as it showed <br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965) [as by John W. Campbell ]<br />
and it was not clear the title was available under both Campbell and Campbell, Jr. I did a hack in that from ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1528 The Mightiest Machine]'' Campbell, Jr. I used "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" to make a new title called ''The Mightiest Machine'' by Campbell, Jr. Now there more than one VT record and the display looks like<br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1972) [as by John W. Campbell ] <br />
The first one is not really a "Variant Title" but it seems clearer that the story was published using both "John W. Campbell, Jr." and "John W. Campbell."<br />
<br />
I wanted to add this to the original thread for comment but now I can't find it. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 18:52, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I had an outstanding action to make that thread into a feature request, which I've now done at [[Feature:90115 Enhance vt display to show both canonical name and pseudonym]]. For the moment I've just redirected the feature link to the original edit-bug link. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 06:40, 25 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Oops!==<br />
<br />
Oops! Sorry, Mike, I have accidentally approved one of your changes instead of mine. It looked like a simple correction of the "first name - last name" order in an author's legal name, so hopefully no harm done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:05, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:No problem, I realized what had happened. Good thing I wasn't testing an Author Merge submit of Le Guin and Asimov! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:09, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::My thoughts exactly :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:38, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:"The Moon Maker" by A. Train ==<br />
<br />
Mike- There is also a second author "Robert W. Wood" but when i used the add author button no 2nd author box turned up, so i entered what i could. also the book lists seven other books on the dust jacket as available from publisher or bookstore, none are in your DB. Should i enter them with cautionary note about there source? They list then as SF & Fantasy.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:15, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Danke! ==<br />
<br />
Just a quick note to say thanks for the tips and info about merging records. Gracias.<br />
-- Mike Arnzen<br />
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== The Land of Laughs ==<br />
<br />
Yes, it was a slip of the mouse. The merged title should be "The Land of Laughs".<br />
<br />
Sorry it took a while to reply, I kept checking my user page but didn't realise I wasn't actually logged in.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:23, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Cover design/Illustrator ==<br />
<br />
Mike, the cover illustrator is listed as an artist, but what about the cover designers? Should they be listed as artists or separately in the notes?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:29, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think the best solution here is to list them in the notes. Marc suggested using an INTERIORART record with a location of "cv" for "cover"; that works too. I use the notes myself. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:48, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moorcock/DAW question ==<br />
<br />
Marc, can you answer a DAW question for me? I was about to enter Moorcock's "Warriors of Mars" and "Barbarians of Mars", which I have in the Compact pb editions from 1965. The title listings, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 here] each show a DAW edition dated 1965. This is obviously nonsense, but I was wondering if there were any DAW editions at all that you know of. If not, I'll overwrite these with the Compact data; if so, I'll leave them and change the dates to unknown. Thanks -- [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:07, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:* http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 Barbarians of Mars] - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:--[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 16:28, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Messiah at the End of Time ==<br />
Mike - please take a look at [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Messiah_at_the_End_of_Time]] --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 1 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Front cover images ==<br />
Thanks, I should be more careful with paste & copy :-) [[User:A.kesrith|A.kesrith]] 11:04, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moving misidentified titles ie:Novels to Collections. ==<br />
<br />
Mike, this may have an obvious answer but if i want to move a title from novel to coll. or the other way, is there an easy way? Also moving title or titles from novel to serial & the other way? Example Schroeder's Permanence is a stand alone novel but Lady of Mazes should be in Ventus? series.Lady is a loose prequel to Ventus, per conversation with the author.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:49, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Changing the type of a title requires at least one step; one for the title, and then one for each publication that needs to be changed. First display the title, then choose "Edit Title Data" and change the pulldown data type to be whatever it should be. When that's approved, display the title again and look at each publication to see if it has the right type; you can display and edit each in turn to change it to suit. Remember that not every publication may need to be changed -- if the novel has appeared in an OMNIBUS, for example, the OMNIBUS doesn't get a NOVEL type.<br />
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:Re your second question: I assume you mean "series", not "serial"; ISFDB uses the latter term to refer to serialization in a magazine. The way to change series data is covered in [[Help:How to work with series]]. Briefly, what you do is go to the title page -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22286 here] is the title page for Permanence -- and choose "Edit Title Data". You'll see a "Series" field and a "Series Num" field; these should be blanked out to make the title a standalone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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==dos-a-dos collections==<br />
Mike = please take a look at this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BTWNTWWRLD1997 publication] and see if how I handled the pagination works for you. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:16, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:That's a pretty neat way to do it. I certainly don't like the alternative, which comes out like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 this]. I don't like hacking fields to make them do something different, but there are very few dos-a-dos collections and anthologies, so I think this is fine as a workaround. You might post a note to Al or at the CP to see if anyone can think of a reason not to do this. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:28, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::ok - I may propose it as a standard where instead of author names we use "A" and "B" with a note to explain which side is which. The reason is the page # field is 8 characters long. I knew that going in and was happy that both Carr and Shaw are short names. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:30, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oops - I just did a test where I changed one of the page #s from Shaw-35 to Shaw-3 and it did not sort up. The logic must look at the page # field and if it's not obviously a number to not sort the record meaning the entire list is not sorted at the moment but instead we are looking at the MySql record order. Well, back to the drawing board on that one. I thought about creating two standalone publications for the collections and making the dos-a-dos an omnibus. I'd need to add notes explaining that the publications are placeholders and that it's 1/2 of a dos-a-dos. If I want to get sneaky I make both of the collection titles variant titles of each other and they will vanish from the author bibliograpies leaving just the dos-a-dos... <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:46, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Variant help question==<br />
Mike, at [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant#Marking_a_title_record_so_that_it.27s_a_variant_title_of.2C_or_a_pseudonym_for.2C_a_title_that_does_not_exist_yet_in_ISFDB]] is the sentence "In this case it is generally best to make the canonical form of that title the one with the pseudonym." It's the second sentence of the second paragraph and is throwing me for a spin cycle. I believe the first sentence states there is no canonical form yet and so I'm not sure what you were trying to add to the explanation with the second sentence. TIA. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:28, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
:Marc, sorry for the delay on replying on this. That text dates from before I understood how canonical forms controlled bibliographic displays. What I meant was that if, for example, Asimov wrote a story called "Obscure Story" as by "Fred Bloggs", and it had never been published as by Isaac Asimov, then the canonical form would be "Obscure Story" by "Fred Bloggs". My assumption now is that we want every title by author X to use the canonical form of author X in the canonical title. In the example, that would be "Obscure Story" by "Isaac Asimov" and there would be a variant for the version with the pseudonym. I've changed the text in the help to correspond to this but let me know if you think this is not correct. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:28, 10 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:Betancourt/Dawn of Amber series ==<br />
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Mike , i entered a new series title for two books and ended up with two series with a book each. they should be under one series title only. Did i miss a step somewhere? Also with regards to SFBC is it okay to use the codes on the back page for dating books, or list them as 0000-00-00 and put a mention in notes about the code? Like Foster's Midworld L25 p.178 translates into 1981-06-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:48, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Re the series: can you tell me the titles you were working on? From what you say, it should have worked; the only requirement is that the series name matches. For the SFBC, I would use the codes to date books but add a note explaining the source, as not everyone will understand this -- I wouldn't know how to do this myself, for example, though I know that the book clubs have periodically used codes that are traceable to dates. If you can find a reference to a date in another source, such as Locus1, which is pretty good about dating SFBC editions, there's no need to add the confirming note in that case as your verification against the Locus1 source will show where you got the data.<br />
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:Would you consider posting a note to the community portal about the translation of the codes? It would be useful to others; no doubt some people know about it, but not everyone. We might add a note about it to the helptext for the date field. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:58, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:John Gregory Betancourt - Series-Roger Zelazny's the Dawn of Amber.Have a look at www.bookthink.com/0005/05sfb.htm (Collecting the SFBC)they have a good overview and table.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:50, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
<br />
Marc, you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSX0000 this pub] of "A Wizard of Earthsea". I noticed you didn't add the "About the Author" and "About the Illustrator" sections -- can you check and see if they're there? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:28, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi Mike - Yes, they are there on an un-numbered page that's just after page 183. I added these to the publication. There is also an exerpt/blurb at the very front of the book just after the cover titled '''The Great Spell'''. The first and last lines are<br />
:* The words of the enchantment hissed and mumbled on Ged's lips, and then he cried out aloud and clearly, "Elfarran!"<br />
:* ... breach clambered something like a clot of black shadow, quick and hideous, and it leaped straight out at Ged's face.<br />
:Google finds the text in the middle of http://www.isibrno.cz/~jakl/genesis/index.php?Thera/book_3.html though the text in the book has been edited down with strategic dot-dot-dots. I don't even know what to call this and thus am not sure if it's in or out per [[Help:Screen:NewPub#What_to_include]]. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 14:08, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Time Dweller ==<br />
<br />
First, I'm back up and running again now (with my MTU tweaked from 1500 to 1458). So hopefully it'll be permanent this time.<br />
<br />
As for the Time Dweller, I did miss this one, but had listed a few others I wanted to go back and look at. I assume I just need to add a new title to the publication, remove the old one from the publication, and make the new record a varient of the original one.<br />
<br />
Your mention of the comic strip in My Experiences in the Third War also reminds me of the ones in New Nature of the Catastrophe (which also contains a music score). I put them all as interior art, but could change them to fiction. Comic Strip might be a sensible option to have, there's also one in Mieville's Looking for Jake. I suppose they could be entered as a short story against the author, with interior art set to the artist. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:54, 12 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Cornelius price checks ==<br />
<br />
I'm looking at some Moorcock books you've already verified so thought I'd double check before I go adding duplicates. <br />
<br />
I changed the price of The Final Programme, Quartet 1976 from 75p to 70p.<br />
I've got a copy of The English Assassin Fontana/Collins which only lists the 1979 date but is priced at £1.50<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 17:29, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi -- on The Final Programme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFNLPRGRM1976 this] is the one I verified -- did you mean a different title? My one is definitely 40p, but it's a Mayflower.<br />
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:My "English Assassin" does seem to be the 1979 date. The copyright page says "First published in Great Britain by Alison and Busby Ltd 1972. This revised edition first published by Fontana Paperbacks 1979. Copyright Michael Moorcock 1972." The cover is green and black, with white and yellow lettering; it shows what seems to be a bowl of some sort covered by green cloth. It says "Cover illustration by Bill Sanderson" on the back. Pricing is "U.K. £1.00; Australia $3.50; New Zealand $3.75; Canada $3.50". Does that sound like your copy? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:02, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: Sorry I meant A Cure for Cancer for the Quartet edition. <br />
::I've definitely got £1.50 on the back of The English Assassin, with a black block underneath and then the other prices are the same. Exact same text on copyright page. It must have been an undated stealth reprint. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 01:22, 23 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::I agree -- your "English Assassin" must be a reprint; that black box is a giveaway.<br />
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:::For "A Cure for Cancer" I think we are also looking at a stealth reprint; presumably mine this time, since my copy definitely says 75p. Here's the copyright page text: "Published by Quartet Books 1976 . . . Copyright (C) 1971 by Michael Moorcock. ISBN 0 704 31". The ISBN really is chopped like that. The back cover says "SCIENCE FICTION/ISBN 0 704 31256 5" then U.K. 75p; Australia $2.45; New Zealand $2.30 Canada $2.25". The title page says "Quartet Books", but the logo on the front and spine is the Futura logo, with "Futura" on the front next to the logo. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:42, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::I think these should be sorted out now, though the ordering is unfortunate. I realised I couldn't re-verify one you'd already done so have put yours back to 75p and created a clone for the 70p version. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 19:18, 19 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Other Days, Other Eyes==<br />
Hi Mike - Can you check your Pan edition of ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and see if there is any evidence of<br />
* Mar 1974 publication date - you verified 1974.<br />
* Cover by Mark Harrison - you did not credit anyone<br />
* Is there a note about "First British Paperback Publication?"<br />
<br />
What happened was I did not realize there were two title records for ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and via scanning Amazon/AbeBooks constructed publication records for all of the editions I could find. When I was done I saw the other title record and merged them. My constructed record lists the extra details but I have no idea how the sellers came up with them. Also, does your cover have the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/772788165.jpg lady with the glasses] or the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/171644290.jpg lady in the window]? <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 22:07, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Can't see any evidence of March; it just says "First published 1972 by Victor Gollancz Ltd. This edition published 1974 by Pan Books Ltd" on the copyright page. The cover is the lady with the glasses; no credits for the cover that I can see anywhere. Googling Harrison finds some evidence he's a cover artist so I think this is probably not by him -- the lady in the window is art but the lady in the glasses is a photo. There's no note about "first British paperback publication" anywhere. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:55, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Dancing at the Edge of the World==<br />
<br />
Mike, I see that you verified the Grove Press hardcover edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DNCGEW1989 Dancing at the Edge of the World] with a date of 1990-00-00. My copy, which is otherwise identical in terms of the data shown, anyway, has a date of 1989; is your copy a later printing by chance? Since it's verified, I didn't want to just change it, and I'm wondering if I should enter my copy as a new edition.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 15:36, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I'll check; I am only going to be home about a day between Singapore (where I am now) and Colorado (where I'm going skiing 10-17 March), so if I don't get to it at the end of this week it will be another week or two. By the way, has "Brave New Words" started shipping yet? I checked Amazon and it still shows pre-order status. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:09, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Have fun skiing! I haven't seen any copies yet, so I'm not sure what the status is. My editor stopped working for the press a couple months ago, so my flow of information has also been somewhat disrupted.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 22:14, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: You have not been to the Singapore markets yet to get a bootleg "Brave New Words"? :-) {{Marc Kupper}} 02:21, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958 ==<br />
<br />
Mike, there is what appears to be a duplicate Silverberg article in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INFNTJAN58 Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958]. Jan has submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_remove.cgi?394321 "Title Removal" request], which I then put on hold. Since you did most (if not all) of the work on ''Infinity'' earlier this year, it would probably be best if you could take a look at the issue when you get back. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:40, 8 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
:I'm back from Singapore; off to Colorado tomorrow. Yes, approve it; it's debris from an earlier incomplete clean-up. As I recall, another editor created this using the EDITOR type, so when I followed up I added the ESSAY and then realized the error. Don't know why I missed deleting it, but it can go now. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:40, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
::Done, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:34, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Imagination - wrong year ==<br />
<br />
Should be April 1951 Beyond the Fearful Forest cover --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 16:36, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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Thanks. The pages in my woeful copy were loose from the spine so there could be some other explanation. I'm going to try to track down another copy for my own personal collection before I make such a notation. --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 19:59, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Reference book adoption ==<br />
It's yours, Mike, and there's no charge. Just give me a snail-mail address and I'll send it. ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 13:02, 10 Mar 2007 (CST))<br />
<br />
:Thanks! It's 2511 Great Oaks Parkway, Austin, TX 78756. I appreciate it -- I've been meaning to buy that book for about twenty years now. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:13, 18 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Shipped out today via media mail, so you can expect it in 7-10 days. Enjoy! ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 16:39, 21 Mar 2007 (CDT))<br />
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==Dissolute Diplomat==<br />
Mike, can you check your copy of "Dark Night in Toyland" and see if "Walt Willis" is credited on "Dissolute Diplomat"? My paperback doesn't, which seems strange: British pubs usually stay quite consistent between hc and pb editions. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:00, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:No credit to Willis at all. I checked copyright statement, title page, ToC, and story heading. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 14:19, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Cheers: I finally got around to making the edits, let me know if anything looks wrong. Or if you just wanted the variant the other way round. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 15:55, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Omni or Coll.? ==<br />
<br />
Mike I have a Jules Verne novel(1958) "From the Earth to the Moon -and A Trip Around It(Round the Moon) described as "Modernized Abridgment". From Earth.. is 80 pages and A Trip... is 125 pages. What do you think would be the right classification?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:20, 27 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think I'd call it a novel, still, but I'd put a note on the publication explaining the situation. Using alternative titles (e.g. "<title> (abridged)" has been discussed, but that brings other problems. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:34, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Brin1==<br />
Just a heads-up that you may want to be even more careful with Brin1's edits: I suspect he's constructing publications from reviews, or something equally strange. :-(<br />
<br />
The one that caught my eye was "Judge Dredd: Wetworks" - the publication title is debatable as to whether the "Judge Dredd" is part of the title, but the author is definitely "Dave Stone" rather than "David Stone". (I used to know him quite well, I even used to stay at his house when I was dating one of his house-mates: he's definitely not the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?David%20Stone older David Stone] that we have as a cover-artist that Brin1's edit ended up with.) I've put the title and author back to the correct ones (Brin1's edit at least gave us a pub with a different price) but to keep the review link I've also edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BNDFNTSSCB1995 this magazine] - that may not be correct, but we'd need another "David Stone" even if that's the way it's printed in the magazine. :-/<br />
<br />
I'm not sure if Brin1 has any more surprises up his sleeve, but he's not responding to his talk-page so all it seems I can do is warn the reviewers. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:27, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
:OK, thanks for the note. I know I'm not the most thorough moderator we have, so reminders to be extra careful are worth it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:23, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I sure wish there was a way to pop-up a message as I just held few more Brin1 but if s/he is not reading the talk I'm not sure how useful it is to add more notes. Overall, I believe many of the brin1 edits are good and in fact just approved one where I did a double-take as it was a book I have and s/he added a note very much like one I would have added. I had to go look and see if s/he was adding a duplicate pub but it turned out I had not added the book to ISFDB yet. {{Marc Kupper}} 13:58, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::I have been thinking about requiring an e-mail address at account creation time, but then again, it may scare away potential casual contributors, e.g. published authors... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:42, 4 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
<br />
::::The DB side of things could check for "new messages" and link to the user's talk page. {{Marc Kupper}} 11:35, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Amazing-The Rain of Fish ==<br />
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Mike The essay is included in the contents page but is nowhere in the magazine. My original edit did not include it. Did you read my question about the omni or coll. If a novel has been abriged(severly) is it still a novel or short story?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:26, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think the best thing to do is to put in a note as you have done, but not to add the content record, as the entry does not actually exist. If you agree I'll reject the submission; or if you prefer I can accept it and do a remove-title on the added record. Otherwise let me know how else we might approach this one. Sorry about the slow reply on the other question; I've answered above -- hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:36, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: I thought it best to include what was in the contents page, because the essay maybe referenced somewhere else and if someone was looking for it they would find the note about it not being in the magazine. Although if you think its best than delete the submission. On the other question i'll treat them as novels and enter it as an omni, but not tonight have to go to london tomorrow, will be gone for a couple of days.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:00, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden ==<br />
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Mike, you verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THVSNRWNDR1984 The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden: Audubon's Early Years] by Le Guin and Sanders back in December. Would you say that, at 79 pages, Sanders's piece is a novella (as Locus describes it)? And do we want to change "Authors: uncredited" to Le Guin and Sanders? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:49, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Aargh. I hate estimating lengths. I'll do a rough word count on a page, and multiply, and see what I get. Re "uncredited": this format was based on an approach discussed on the CP, though I don't think there was a consensus. The idea was that a dos-a-dos book should be done as an anonymous omnibus, since placing authors at the pub level implied collaboration. The contents then get appropriate attribution at the title level. The discussion was really about Ace doubles, but of course it applies here too (these are dos-a-dos). So if you want to change them, that's fine, but I'm not sure it's worth it till we get a consensus on the definitive approach to doubles. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:00, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification! I do remember the dos-a-dos discussion, alhtough it occurred while I was mostly busy elsewhere, so I may not have done it justice. Personally, I am inclined to enter dos-a-dos Authors at the Publication level as well since I tend to think of "uncredited" as something that we would want to use exclusively for anonymous authors and editors. However, it's not a huge deal and I can certainly wait until we sort it all out. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:51, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Well, I don't think that others are necessarily entering dos-a-dos works in the same way. Personally I think the right answer is a change in the software to permit special handling for this kind of book, but that will have to wait. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:19, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Aldiss/Starswarm ==<br />
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Mike, can you check and see if your copy has "Sector Grey" spelled with an "e" or "a" my copy is spelled "Gray" if yours is "e" than mine is a variant, thanks. I see my Rain of Fish is still on hold(to keep or not to keep that is the question?):-)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:46, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Always Coming Home ==<br />
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Do you think this should be classified as a collection? Some of the stories/songs appeared in other works but as there are so many publications it'll be a pain to add all of the stories to each one.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHMR1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon and am pretty sure it matches your edition as I have a copy.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWYSCH1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon but am unsure if it matches your edition.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHML1986}} which you also verified - You have the ISBN as 0-575-038555-1 but that's one digit too long though ISFDB does not complain about it. I guess the only clue is the header is "Catalog ID:" and not "ISBN." I believe the ISBN should be 0-575-03855-1 as in {{amazon|0575038551}} and {{amazon.co.uk|0575038551}} and so updated the publication record.<br />
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{{Marc Kupper}} 19:08, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think of it as a novel; a reverse fixup, if you like -- bits are easily publishable elsewhere. Yes, both images are right; and I rechecked the ISBN and you are correct on the fix -- good catch. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:47, 19 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Mankind Under the Leash, Thomas M. Disch ==<br />
Mike, you verified the first Ace [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?PLNTXLE1966 publication] of this title, but did so showing the author(s) as "Uncredited." Did you mean that about the cover artist or the writer(s)? I was scanning an eBay auction today, and saw a copy with Disch's name on the cover... ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 21:04, 27 May 2007 (CDT))<br />
:Hi, Scott -- it's uncredited because of the approach I was taking at the time, which is that an Ace double is an omnibus with an anonymous editor. The individual books get credited to the authors, but the overall title is not credited to either.<br />
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:The alternative is to credit the book to both, which just seems ugly to me. I think that the right answer, long-term, is to have special display logic for anonymous omnibuses or dos-a-dos books. For now, deal with it however you think best -- we never reached a consensus to use this approach, though there was no agreement on any other representation of dos-a-dos books either. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 13:58, 29 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: I personally credit both authors though know the [[Template:PublicationFields:Author|help]] says to state it as "N/A" though {{a|n/a}} shows that that only one person read and followed that bit of help implying the help page should be updated to drop the reference to "N/A" but I'm not sure if people-consensus is that they use "uncredited" or state the author names. {{Marc Kupper}} 15:00, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Welcome back ==<br />
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Mike, I see you must have had more than two consecutive minutes for ISFDB recently and so figured I'd welcome you back and may even send you some DAW verifications to look into though not until the weekend. {{Marc Kupper}} 14:46, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: Yes, welcome back! I know I've added some DAW stuff recently (from Josh Kirby cover-art references mostly, I think, and all the pages they led me to) so there is probably work to be done fixing up my and/or my publications errors. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:04, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Page numbers for artwork ==<br />
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I want to modify the help on interiorart so it explicity states what was relayed to me by Ahasuerus, namely, "Listing the first page on which a piece of art appears". The magazine used as an example is the December 1956 issue of '''Infinity'''. The first piece of artwork for the Lesser story is actually on page nine although the database entry lists it as page five. Since it is also acceptable (though not mandatory) to print the page number for each piece of art (and help should reflect this more explicitly) it seems like the actual page number where the art appears should used. Clarification?--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 11:14, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think there has been some debate on where to enter the artwork page number. If I recall correctly, I was arguing for making the page number the same as that of the story. The reason was that I thought it was likely we would not enter every single illo for a story; we would only record the fact that story X was illustrated by author Y. In that case, the page number couldn't in general reflect the page number of the artwork, so it seemed sensible to use the page number on which the story started.<br />
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:I don't think we ever got complete consensus on it, but we did agree that ''if'' you're entering every illo, you obviously do put the artwork in with page numbers referring to each illo in turn. The problem with that approach, for me, was that there were no titles for the illos; it didn't really seem to me that the multiple illos were separate delivered artefacts, any more than we index the chapters in a novel separately. But there was no consensus, so I suggest you do something consistent and reasonable and document it in the help. Does that make sense? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:55, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I am going to change it to say that the first page where artwork is found should be used. Al and Ahasuerus intended this. It will save editing time if an eventual consensus is reached that all pages should be entered, which is what Al would like to do. Artists like Virgil Finlay and Hannes Bok take my breath away every time I come across a piece of their work; I consider each piece they do a seperate masterpiece.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 08:13, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::: I haven't been entering every illustration, but may eventually: as usual Marc keeps raising the bar. I notice that even he doesn't enter it all as Interiorart though, e.g. see what he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WHNTHGRNST0000 did here]. The titles are ''paraphrases'' of text in the main novel. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 12:43, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: There ya go - makin'un 'ple of me 'gin. :-) The publication I entered should be viewed as an exception rather than as a "standard" on how to treat illustrations. In that case I entered the illustrations as the publication was unusual in several ways. 1) It has a list of illustrations page. 2) DAW books rarely have interior art. 3) The drawings are cool. I started to the enter the illustrations in the ISFDB contents but then realized they were titled using paraphrased text and did not have actual titles and so went with the publication notes.<br />
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:::: FWIW - I don't have a strong opinion on if and how illustrations should be entered. In one case I carefully described the illustrations for a Ursula Le Guin book, including the little dohickies at the start of each chapter and top of each page as the story had been reprinted by several publishers and I wanted other editors to be able to title-merge illustration credits if possible or if they cloned the publication to know if they should delete the illustrator credit. Usually though I just note the artist's name and either no page #, the first page of a story if there is more than one illustration, or the page # of the illustration if there's just one. The primary goal is to acknowledge that the person did the work so that if someone wants to collect a particular illustrator's work they will know where to find it. {{Marc Kupper}} 22:07, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Change to verified pub Infinity, October 1956 ==<br />
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Changed Infinity's Choice from short story to essay because it is book review column.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 07:40, 26 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Runestaff ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added the cover-art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 your verified pub] if you'd like to check it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:15, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars ==<br />
Another heads-up that I added the price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123671 your edition] based on the review I found. Are the notes clear enough for your taste? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 07:28, 20 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson's After Doomsday ==<br />
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Mike, can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965 this verified edition] of Anderson's novel and see if the catalog number in the db is correct? Tuck shows the catalog number is 1798. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:25, 22 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Tuck's right; don't know why I made that mistake, but I'm glad you spotted it. I've fixed it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:19, 28 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I've added a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128141 cover image] --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 16:47, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie ==<br />
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Added a cover and artist update to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?STRPRNCCHR1976 Star Prince Charlie]. Does it match? [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 07:31, 9 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson, The Warriors From Nowhere ==<br />
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Copied from verification page.<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1980 Agent of the Terran Empire] Ace, 0-441-01066-0 it's The Warriors From Nowhere. In the other four publications of that title it's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?62695 Warriors from Nowhere]. Can someone with one of those pubs please check. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1977 Coronet] edition was verified by Mike Christie, I'll ask on his talk page also. Thats a British edition, so I'd still like to know about the other US editions. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 22:41, 13 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: Mike, I've added cover-art to that pub as I believe I have the identical edition. I'll respond to the verification request as well. However, I also corrected the "Honourable Enemies" entry back to the British spelling it actually has, so please double-check that too - I'm beginning to worry about US printings being overstamped for the UK market, although I've not seen that in Coronet yet. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 13:10, 14 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Home page protected ==<br />
Mike - your home page has turned into a target for OamTra. I protected it as it looks like the only people who normally edit it are moderators but did not add <nowiki>{{protected}}</nowiki>. Your user-talk page is still unprotected. {{Marc Kupper}} 23:50, 22 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added cover-art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 verified pub] and standardised the ISBN. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:38, 27 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
And cover-art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16086 this pub]. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:30, 9 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Merman's Children ==<br />
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I've added the cover art[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22013] plus a note about the printing.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:51, 11 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Caviar ==<br />
DGeiser13 added art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6458 verified pub], please check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 10:49, 13 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash ==<br />
I've added covers to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26239 Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash] if you'd like to check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 09:39, 28 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Butterfly Kid ==<br />
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I added cover art to your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36689 this novel]. As I have the same edition I can safely assume it has the same cover as yours. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:38, 7 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Sword and the Stallion ==<br />
Can you please check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSWRDNDTH1984 verified pub] - the Publisher and ISBN don't seem to match up. (Panther would normally be an 0586 prefix.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:29, 24 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== change to title in pub you verified ==<br />
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I'm changing an author's name in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?806309 this omnibus (Ace double)] from "Avaram Davidson" to "Avram Davidson". I think everything in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RCNNNSW1966 the pub itself], which is what you're listed as having verified, actually had it correctly. Please let me know if this is a problem. Thanks! -- [[User:Davecat|Dave (davecat)]] 16:07, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Mike is on an extended ISFDB vacation, so we may want to repost this request on the Verification board in case somebody has a copy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:44, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oh, I see that you have already posted on the Help Desk! Never mind then :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:53, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Could you please check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89769 this pub] you have verified; I would like to know if ''112 • Strictly Confidential • shortfiction'' was by Gordon Dickson or Gordon R. Dickson. Something wrong happened to the author's record and we are trying to recover the missing info. Thanks. I'm also posting this on the [[ISFDB:Verification_requests|Verification board]]. --[[User:Roglo|Roglo]] 15:16, 11 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== The Star Fox ==<br />
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I have uploaded an image for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117861 verified publication] plus added a couple of notes. {{Marc Kupper}} 04:49, 23 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== Note to the outside world ==<br />
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It would be great if we could co-ordinate our work with yours. I would be glad to re-prioritize some of the tasks I am likely to do if they are consistent with your goals. I think I have pretty much exhausted my collector's budget for a lifetime but I do have nearly all of the mags from the 50's and the major titles from the 60's. My collection is quite accessible so if I have a pub that is not in your collection feel to ask questions.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 21:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't think I'll have much need for you to reprioritize data entry -- I have good index references, as well as having a decent collection (if not as good as Ahasuerus's). If I do have a need to look at a 50s or 60s issue that I don't have, I'll definitely ask you. That could come up if I have a question about something that the indexes don't cover, such as circulation figures, in an issue I don't have. Thanks for the offer.<br />
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:One thing that the ISFDB doesn't do well, though the data is there, is to look at a magazine over a period of time. For example, in the bibliographic details for each magazine, I like to be able to list the changes in page count and size, and the use of different internal features like letters, or science articles. There's no easy way to do most of this in the ISFDB, though you can look up this information issue by issue. At least it's there. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Circulation figures ==<br />
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Mike Ashley's ''Gateways to Forever'' which covers the sf mags of the 70's also has tables in Appendix 5 which list magazine circulation figures for 1962 through 1980.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 15:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Outstanding! Thanks for letting me know; I have that book but hadn't noticed. Much appreciated! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::Just stopping by to say "Hi!" and point out that your signature link to the Talk page seems to be broken :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::A link to the page being displayed always shows as bold rather than a clickable link. That is a feature of the MediaWiki software. Look at any of my sigs on my talk page. [[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 17:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, very devious! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Fox versus H. Fox ==<br />
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I've taken the liberty of adjusting several of your verified pubs to reflect the cover-artist as I read the signature. There's an [[Bio:H._Fox|H. Fox]] that seems to have done many of the Badger Books and Magazines, but I don't think it's the same person as [[Bio:Fox|Fox (no "H"]]. If you've got a magnifying glass handy, and some spare time for ISFDB, can you please check to see if there's a little "H" under the "Fox" on your Badger covers? The "Fox" probably also has an underline coming off the "X". The most dubious edit I made was probably to {{P|BDGRSNS73|name=Supernatural Stories Number 73}} which has a slightly different signature to my eyes, see [http://www.peltorro.com/sn073.jpg here]. But I'm working from secondary sources so a good Primary re-check would be good. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date to verified ==<br />
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I added a printing date to your verified THE TOMBS OF ATUAN (THTMBSFTNS1980). from a later printing.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarians of Mars ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added the artist J. Cawthorn to your verified ''{{p|123151|name=Barbarians of Mars}}''. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 06:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Ground Zero Man ==<br />
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Added $AUS & $NZ prices to {{P|GRNDZM1971A}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG01136] . My copy matches yours except the copyright pages says "First Pocket Books printing December 1984". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 22:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Hi, Mike! Just did a Currey and Transient on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} and there is a signature on the bottom left corner of the cover (not Powers') but I can't quite make it out. Maybe you can recognize it?--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling-cover artist not Vaughn Andrews ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THTLLNG2000] . My copy matches your verification. This is the cover. [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DAS01XMPL.jpg] . In checking the backcover inner flap I found this in my copy. Jacket art (figures) copyright Hulton-Deutsch Collection / CORBIS (over) Jacket design by Vaughn Andrews. As I understand it, Andrews was not the cover artist. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 23:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Pan edition of Case and the Dreamer ==<br />
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Locus #199 (February 1977) gives a January 1977 publication for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CSNDTHDRMR1974 your verified edition] of this title. Does your copy show a publication date or the copyright date of 1974? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I own the same edition I believe (that's my cover, with the sticker damage). The copyright page only gives copyright date of 1974, no clear printing date. It's also erroneous in that it gives "Case and the Dreamer"'s original printing as Galaxy January 1972 rather than 1973. I'm happy to move this to 1977-01-00 if the rest of you are. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::That was one of the very first verifications and Mike hasn't been active here in over a year, so I think it's safe to correct the record and take over the verification. I believe that Mike is still active on Wikipedia, so if you want to be 110% sure, you can drop him a note there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barefoot in the Head ==<br />
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Added some prices and a note about no credited artist to your verified pub {{P|BRFTNTHHDQ1974}}. Mant of the verifiers have said they don't need to have a note if all I am adding is various prices. Please let me know your preferences. Thanks & cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 17:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THGHTMNTHR1975}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THMLCTPSTS1978}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Dialogue With Darkness ==<br />
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Added some notes to your verified pub {{P|DLGWDRK1985}} re: first printing, CDN ISBN shown as well, $C price. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie 2 ==<br />
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Massaged the notes of {{P|STRPRNCCHR1976}} as, with a small magnifying lens, the signature is quite legible. Not sure if all or part of the original notes were yours or DCarson's. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Do note that two sections of a talk page with the same title (e.g. "Star Prince Charlie") will misdirect those of us checking Recent Changes. It's always good to make the section name unique. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Wasn't aware of that! I haven't checked previous contents of a talk page before, but now I will. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Manifold: Origin ==<br />
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Added some notes to {{P|MNFLDRGN2003}} about first PB edition and printing; no artist; $c price and that there is an excerpt in the back. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile/ Mankind.... ==<br />
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Added the two interior artworks (both by Gaughan) to the contents of {{P|PLNTXLE1966}} with notes and some for cover statements, page counts, etc. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roccanon's World/Kar-chee Reign ==<br />
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One of the two interior art pieces (Kar-Chee half) has Gaughan's "JG" on it. {{P|RCNNNSW1966}} Amended the notes. Also added Wolheim's introduction to Rocannon's world to the contents. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mars Monopoly/The Man Who Lived Forever ==<br />
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Added cover images and some notes to {{P|TMNWLF1956}}. ~BIll, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Found Powers' signature on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} (''rmpowers'') on the bottom left corner of the front cover. Added that to the field and amended the notes. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added a cover to your verified {{p|7202|City of Illusions}}. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 03:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Four Ways to Forgiveness ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|FRWYSTFRG1995}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling [2]==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THTLLNG2000}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orphan Star-added cover image/notation ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPHNSTRGXG1977]. I added the cover image and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 01:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Flinx in Flux- added cover/notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG03465]. I added the cover as per my copy compared to your ver. I added notation and deleted map to change it to "The Blight"(space map)(Flinx in Flux). I took the titling from the upper left corner, which explains the extent under the title. Note the two current space empires appear below it. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Bloodhype-- added cvoer image/ notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLDHPBTQRR1978]. I added the cover image as per my copy's match of your ver and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Plus the note "Stated 3rd printing of March 1973 Del Rey edition." was expanded. Approved. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 21:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing Planes ==<br />
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Added notes and the interior illustrations to {{P|CHNGNGPLNS2003}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Eye of the Heron ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THYFTHHRN1983}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 pub] appears to be an amalgamation of two different pubs: the Wallaby trade paperback first edition and the Tor paperback edition, both of which are already in the database. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THLFTHNDFD1976 THLFTHNDFD1976]. Stumbled across it while looking for one for my later printing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Midworld ==<br />
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Added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDWRLDFFCD1976 MDWRLDFFCD1976] that matches my copy of the same 1st edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Content titles in Mission to Moulokin ==<br />
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Hi. I added my 1st printing ''Mission to Moulokin'' by cloning your {{P|MSSNTMLKNX1979}} 2nd printing entry. I noticed that the bare "About the Author" and "Map" content titles don't conform to the current practice of embedding the containing work title parenthetically. Of course, there's also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Titles_for_Maps_as_Content this discussion] about titling maps, but be that as it may.... I was thinking that while I noticed it I would change the title records. If I understand correctly, I would edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268211 About the Author] title and this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268201 Map] title. And then since I don't know how it all ties together, I'd go check the pubs with content using those titles and verify that the change was reflected in them. :-)<br />
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Do you agree, and, if so, is the above the right way to go about it? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul ==<br />
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I added coverart and some notes on your verified pub {{P|BKTG05433}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 17:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I added Wilson McLean as coverartist (credited on the copyrightpage). Thanks [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge ==<br />
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I added a cover image and notes to your verified pub {{P|THGLDNBRGF1979}}--[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 02:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions -- notes and interiorart ==<br />
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I added a Jack Gaughan INTERIORART credit and some notes to your verfied {{P|CTYLLSNS1967}} based on my copy of the same edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Other Wind ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|OTHRWND2001}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|WZRDFRTHSR0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Wind's Twelve Quarters ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|THWNDSTWLV0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to user rights ==<br />
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Just to let you know that there was a discussion of the best way to handle inactive moderators over on [[ISFDB talk:Policy]]. The executive summary of the discussion is that a moderator who hasn't been active for a over a year will have a hard time keeping up with all the policy and software changes that we have been going through. [[ISFDB:Policy]] has been updated accordingly and, since you haven't been active since mid-2007, I have turned your "moderator" flag off, so when you come back, you won't be able to approve submissions. No need to panic, though :) as we have a list of [[Moderator Qualifications]] and you can reclaim the ability to approve submissions once you go through the process. Hope to see you again when you have time for the ISFDB! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in the Far Future / Tales of Outer Space (Ace Double D-73) ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|ADVFFTOS1954}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|BFFLGLSNDT1990}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's Always Coming Home ==<br />
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Are you certain about the date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LWYSCH1985 this pb edition] of the title? That is very close to the hardcover edition, and before the UK edition. There is a record almost identical dated January 1987. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 17:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars [2]==<br />
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Added cover images to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WRRRSFMRSL1965 this]] and the other two Compact pub records. The price is clear in the image if you want to adjust the notes. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Sundered Worlds ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDRDWRL1965]]--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, October 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover photo to your verified pub: {{P|FANTUNIVOCT1956}} -- [[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 09:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - August 1958 - Cover ==<br />
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I Added a cover image to you pub {{P|FANTUNIVAUG1958}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - Cover Photos ==<br />
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I added covers to your verified pubs: {{P|FANTUNIVAUGSEP1953}} {{P|FANTUNIVJUL1954}} {{P|FANTUNIVJAN1959}} --[[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 18:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Touch of Strange'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/ciu/5d/ac/9b54012912a0480bb0702210.L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|TCHFSTRNGZ1978|A Touch of Strange}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash - Publication Month ==<br />
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I identified the month of publication for {{P|PLNTXLE1966|Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash}} as October based on the information in the third printing of {{P|PLNTFXLNJZ1973|Planet of Exile}}. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 04:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape - replaced cover image ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37543]. I matched your ver and found the image url broken. I replaced it matching my copy. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?EPLBSU1956] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyond Fantasy Fiction #9 -- Queen's Mate questions ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|BEYONDF91954|Beyond Fantasy Fiction, # 9 1954}} is a Jean M. Janis shortstory, {{T|81609|Queen's Mate}}, and on the same page an inteview by Ashman, also titled {{T|236851|Queen's Mate}}. Is this correct, and, if so, what author is the subject of the interview, Janis? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Never mind. I found a scan and know it should be INTERIORART instead of INTERVIEW. I will submit a change. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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I added a cover image to your verified pub {{P|BKTG01136}}. I also changed the publication date from 11/84 to 12/84 as is listed on the copyright page. If you have additional information that indicates the earlier publication, let me know and I'll change it back. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 01:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added the roman numberd pages and the introductory essays to your verified pub {{P|THBRKNSWRD1971}}. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 04:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THWRDFRWRL1976] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ace Double D-162 [2]==<br />
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Added artist credits for both covers courtesy of the ACE Image Library to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== U. F. O. 517 ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:FWSSZLBBFG1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== What Entropy Means to Me ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WHTNTRPMNS0000.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89801 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 12:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:CCHLTFMVBL1980.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Medusa's Children - added cover image/start page number ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDSCHL1980]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LUIB9NV8L.jpg], and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 12:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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Added a cover image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Catalog ID ==<br />
I've uniformated this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFCFXVTGJ1960 CatalogID]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== M. D'Antona ==<br />
The cover of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLCKBSSXBN1960 publication] is not credited, but the artist is M. D'Antona: see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RMNZDRNNCG1959 Urania #213]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:06, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Badger Books ==<br />
I've modified for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSTRNGNSP1963 publication] the publisher in '''Badger''' to make uniform the publisher.--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 07:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified the title of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105991 publication] as ''Out of This World: Supernatural Stories, No. 15'' and added a cover--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106001 SN38]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106151 SN46]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THGLDNCHLC1961 SN50]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 19:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106171 SN60]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month and cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106181 SN66]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 13:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106191 SN70]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106201 SN73]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106231 SN98]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 22:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, artist at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106241 SN102]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BDGRSNS105 SN105]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Volteface'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YD0OLhh-L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|VLTFCXZQJV1977|Volteface}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Bull and the Spear ==<br />
I added the cover artist to your verified pub {{P|THBLLNDTHS1975}} after having verified it at [http://www.multiverse.org/imagehive/v/bookcovers/books/mikebooks/tbats/ this] site. I noted my source and added the non UK pricing while I was in there. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Fireclown ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THFRCLWNHQ1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122431 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Searoad ==<br />
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Added an image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SEARD1991 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 02:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rainbow Abyss ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|1314781|The Rainbow Abyss}}. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 08:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Equator ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?QTRNDSGRGT1973 Equator] but the copyright page of my book states "first nel paperback edition june 1973" and below "Reprinted june 1973", two printing for the same month ? Do you think I must create a new publication ? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Helliconia spring ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HLLCNSPRNC1983 Equator] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Report on probability A ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPRTNPRBBL1973 Report on probability A] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The corridors of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCRRDRSFT1975] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mirkheim ==<br />
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I also have a 1986 version of this book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MRKHMWJPVD1986 here] but the price is £ 2.50 and it is stated "reprinted 1983,1986 (twice)" on copyright page, which suggests a fourth printing overall. Can you verify your copy so that i can eventually add this printing. BTW, the artist if Peter Elson (see PE on the ship bottom left). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== No world of their own ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NOWORLD1962 here] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== For Love of Mother-Not ==<br />
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Added cover for {{P|14161|For Love of Mother-Not}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 04:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of Time - artist added/confirmed/notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]. I added Bruce Pennington as artist after confirmation in "Ultraterranium" by Bruce Penningtion, page 20. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Dec 1959 - added cover/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVDEC1959]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LI6PZ39BL.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Mar 60 - added cover image/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVMAR1960]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515BPYUeu5L.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two", page 68. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Incorporated Knight ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|107861|The Incorporated Knight}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 19:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THBRKNSWRD1971 The Broken Sword] to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?26 Ballantine Adult Fantasy] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:23, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LFTHNDDRKNSS1969 The Left Hand of Darkness]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDRTHS1970 A Wizard of Earthsea]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 One Million Tomorrows]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1 Ace Double] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 04:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I added an interior art credit for Tschirky to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WTS1948 verified pub]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== cover for ''Gloriana'' ==<br />
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[[User:Dsorgen|Dsorgen]] has added a cover to your verified {{P|128191|Gloriana}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:31, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Norton Book of Science Fiction: North American Science Fiction, 1960-1990 ==<br />
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Add a cover image and a note on the printing line to {{P|NRTNBKSF19XX|your verified pub}}. Thanks. --[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 14:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Note on "Eye of the Heron" ==<br />
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I added a note to your verified pub {{P|THYFTHHRN1983|Eye of the Heron}} that the artist's signature is on the front cover. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals, by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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The anthology [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39287 Buffalo Gals] has 5 different verified editions. Three of those include a content listing for "Come Into Animal Presence", poem by Denise Levertov, on p. 14. Two publications, including [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BFFLGLSNDT1990 your verified] edition does not include that content listing. Could you check your copy to see if that belongs in there? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's there; page 14. Sorry I missed it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I think the original TOC must have been pulled from Locus (or somewhere), and they missed it, since three versions (2 verified and 1 unverified) had that item omitted. I've added that poem to this collection, and the other two have been updated similarly. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover for Tehanu ==<br />
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[[User:Bgibbard|Bgibbard]] has added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/2/21/THLSTB1990.jpg this cover] to your verified {{P|1530114|Tehanu}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka! ==<br />
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There appears to be two records for the same pub, and they've been verified by two different editors. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 Yours] is dated 1983, and I'm pretty sure the mass-market edition wasn't published until 1984. It also gives the publisher as Wallaby, who only published the trade paperback edition. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKA1985 other verified record] has the same ISBN, price and page count as the record you verified. Can you check them out when you get a chance? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow on Heaven ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128501 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Tales from Earthsea'' ==<br />
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I've added a cover image, from Amazon, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34251 verified copy] of this edition. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Among Out Contributors" ==<br />
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Hi, I assume this should be "Our" instead of "Out" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?224941 here] [[User:Jonschaper|Jonschaper]] 01:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Virgin Planet (Mayflower-Dell 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I've found a scan saying the price is 3/6 on [http://www.sfreviews.com/displays/Poul%20Anderson_1959_Virgin%20Planet.htm SF Reviews].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I added the price and the scan I used for the price. You remark in the note field coul;d therefore be dropped.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compass Rose'', by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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In keeping with what has become the current standard, I've updated the page count in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 verified copy] of this publication from "271" to "xii+271". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== More than Human ==<br />
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Hi, I've made {{P|94731|More than Human}} part of the ''Corgi SF Collector's Library'' series. I also added the ISBN number.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Treshold ==<br />
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Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|101341|Treshold (Panther, 1982)}} into Panther / Granada on account of the name Granada being the sole publisher named on the cover (to be more exact: on the spine) and also being named on the title page (as was already stated in the notes). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:15, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a coverscan and notes (there weren't any) for {{P|112391|Enemies of the System (Triad Panther, 1980)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:And he also added a cover scan and note to your verified {{P|112491|Last Orders}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I've also changed the complete title to "Enemies of the System: A Tale of Homo Uniformis" to reflect the information given on the title page. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Starswarm ==<br />
Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|107201|Starswarm (1985)}} from Panther Books - imprint of Granada into Panther / Granada, added a coverscan and elaborated the notes, especially about the confusing mentioning of publisher names on this book (Grafton, Panther and Granada al being mentioned at some place). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a scan for {{P|131151|A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows (Sphere, 1984)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness Ursula K. Le Guin 1983 ==<br />
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Could you check a cover from this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100971 pub]? I think it may be the same cover from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189029 1st] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?119161 3rd] editions by Tim White. [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 16:05, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Quest for Tanelorn ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128231 The Quest for Tanelorn] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 23:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Phoenix in Obsidian ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128121 Phoenix in Obsidian] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 00:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency ==<br />
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Hi, I have submitted cover and artist for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10224 pub]. --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 20:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Ursula K. Le Guin cover images ==<br />
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I've added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100861 Eye of the Heron] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 The Compass Rose]. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Word for World Is Forest", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the cover artist for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100801 verified publication], based on the "Powers" signature at the bottom right corner, and the identification of this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Powers_LAZ_org.jpg signature] in our collection of artists' signatures. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I have added all the notes to {{P|2325|Always Coming Home}}. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 19:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, April 1956 ==<br />
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I linked to a cover scan for the April 1956 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89730 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, May 1954 ==<br />
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I've linked to a cover image for the May 1954 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89681 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:20, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== DAW Collectors publication series ==<br />
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In filling out the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1544 DAW Collectors Books] publication series, I have a question about a book that you verified. C. J. Cherryh's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?195933 Fires of Azeroth], 3rd printing, has a note with the "DAW Collector's Number". Since many reprint editions didn't actually list this number, I was hoping you could tell me whether this note was "inherited" from other editions of the book, or whether it actually appears on this edition of the book, and if so, where -- e.g. on the cover, the spine, or the copyright page. Thanks much, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Added additional international prices ==<br />
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I added the other prices to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116591][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25131][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Unlocking the Air and Other Stories ==<br />
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Expanded the notes for {{P|52881|Unlocking the Air and Other Stories}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Malacia Tapestry by Brian W. Aldiss ==<br />
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Only chimera was used for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115621 this] cover from art by Peter Goodfellow (from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401733 The Flights of Icarus]). [[User:BarDenis|Denis]] 20:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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Added scan and notes for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93991 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Lathe of Heaven ==<br />
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Added cover image and notes to {{P|100821|this pub}}. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 17:07, 1 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Solomon Leviathan", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a cover image, and a couple of minor notes, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101371 verified copy] of this publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist for "The Dispossessed" (first printing of Gollancz SF Masterwork edition) ==<br />
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Hi. You did a Locus1 verification of {{P|109841|this pub}}, which is why I am contacting you. I believe the pub you verified has the wrong cover artist (Jim Burns), and I would like to fix this. Some background: I own a {{P|404674|3rd printing}} of the book where Chris Moore is credited as the cover artist. Rtrace owns a {{P|289330|6th printing}} of the book where Jim Burns is credited. In addition, Locus1 ([http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/b27.htm#A859 current link]) has a credit for Chris Moore for the first printing. This leads me to believe that the first few printings of the book miscredited the cover art (to Chris Moore), and that the publisher fixed the credit in either the 4th, 5th or (at the latest) the 6th printing. I propose the following changes to the first printing you verified (and will implement them if you agree):<br />
* Set the cover artist to "Chris Moore". Even though we know the attribution is probably false, it is the name that appears in Locus1, and thus probably also on the physical book<br />
* Add a note to the pub record (similar to the one in my verified pub) that explains the situation to future editors<br />
* Unrelated, but while I am already editing the pub record: Remove the "volume 16" note, since nowadays the publication series is recorded in a dedicated field<br />
Sorry for being so verbose, I didn't know how to explain this in less words. What do you think about the proposal? Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 15:06, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Unbound ==<br />
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I believe that {{P|358878|this pub}} is the exact same printing as {{P|115631|this pub}} that you PV'ed, and that the two records could therefore be merged. To confirm (or disprove) my theory, could you please have a look at the copyright page of your book and check the printing history that you find there? For comparison, in my book it says<br />
* Published by Triad/Panther Books 1982<br />
* Reprinted 1985<br />
I am not sure how Panther records same-year reprints, but I believe it is rather unlikely that they made two reprints of that book in 1985. Thanks for your time, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- yes, the copyright page matches exactly, so I think you're right. Re The Dispossessed above: I would suggest you go ahead on the basis of your judgement. I don't have that edition, and have no memory of whatever I did to do the verification via Locus. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Sorry for this (very) late follow-up, but I still had this "Frankenstein Unbound" issue on my TODO list from 1.5 years ago. I notice that your verified pub is still around - if you're still willing to go through with this, then I think the simplest way to do it would be for you 1) to delete the pub record that you PV'ed, then 2) to just add yourself to the list of primary verifiers on the other pub. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a couple of notes to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101081 verified publication], i.e. everything after the first note. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 09:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 Cachalot]<br /><br />
Clarifying no number line in notes, adding LCCN from copyright page. Notifying all verifiers.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 14:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Terry Pratchett's Hogfather ==<br />
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Is [[http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514xkYhoiTL.jpg this link]] the cover for {{P|108081|your copy of Hogfather}}? I also have the 11th printing, same ISBN, and that is the cover on mine. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 23:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, that's the same cover as on mine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:20, 12 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, I have added it to the publication. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I would also like to make the following changes/additions: change Pages from 354 to 354+{16} to include unnumbered pages at the end, change page for The World of Terry Pratchett from 355 to [355] to indicate it is un-numbered, add note that cover artist is not credited in book. Is that OK? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I count ten leaves after 354 in my copy; the last two are just advertising, so perhaps you're not counting them? The other changes are fine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I thought it was ISBDB policy not to count the ads in the back of books, but now that I look at the [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] I don't see that. Not sure what is "standard." I was just counting the pages that have "The World of Terry Pratchett" on them. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I think I wrote the first draft of that help page, six or seven years ago; I have no memory of any discussion on that point. How about asking at the community portal to see what others do? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I was thinking of the "contents" area, where we definitely do not include ads. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 21:55, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Language of the Night ==<br />
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I see you did a Locus1 verification of the first US revised edition of {P|42684|The Language of the Night.} Did Locus1 give the publication date as 1992-05-00? My copy in hand has only one indication of the publication month, which is a small code of "0692P" on the inside flap of the front cover. I'm thinking I should note the discrepancy in the Notes. Amazon.com says 1992-05-00 for the date, too, but I don't know how reliable that is. Can't find any info on HarperCollins website (too long ago, no doubt). [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 00:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, haven't really been active here for years, so whatever verification I did I have no memory of. I do have a copy of Language of the Night but don't recall which edition it is; I can pull it and take a look if you like. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, more interested in seeing the Locus1 information -- or is that available on-line somewhere? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::OK, found it on-line [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b291.htm#TOP Locus1] but now I am not sure how to interpret what I see. The line for this book says " +The Language of the Night: Essays on Fantasy and Science Fiction (HarperCollins 0-06-016835-8, May ’92 [Jun ’92], $20.00, 250pp, hc, cover by Steve McLeod) Non-fiction collection of 24 essays and other non-fiction pieces about fantasy and sf, with introductions to each section. This edition has been extensively revised by the author; the original was published by Putnam in 1979 and edited by the late Susan Wood. First American edition of the revised edition (Women’s Press 1989)."<br />
::So, what do I make of the "May ’92 [Jun ’92]" business? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:20, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::That's also something that someone at the Community Portal might know. My best guess would be that the two dates are the official publication date and the date the book actually first appeared; they're certainly not always the same. I remember seeing a 1998 copyright book on a station bookstall in late December 1997. I don't know which would be which, though the later one is more likely to be the official one. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 03:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::The date in brackets is given as being [Date first seen] in the physical copies of the Bronw/Contento indexes. For me, when this date is only slightly later than the Publication Date, it doesn't have any bibliographic meaning(only that Locus' mail was peraphs delayed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Diana Wynne Jones' ''Changeover'' ==<br />
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When a work such as this one is borderline, we tend to err on the side of inclusion. I've added a description to the title record which would lend credence to the work being speculative fiction, but perhaps not science fiction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:OK. Thanks for the note. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe ==<br />
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Hello, have added covers (from galactic central) for several of your verified issues of "Fantastic Universe". Thank you. [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]] 00:23, 14 February 2013 (UTC).<br />
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== The Garden on the Moon ==<br />
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Hello, I accepted your submission. There are a few open questions left, however: 1) Well, the English translation is from 1965, so the date for the introduction should be also 1965 (we handle translations as substantially different texts). 2) Maybe it'd be better to rename the Introduction as 'Introduction (Garden on the Moon)'. As at this point we only have one Introduction by Boulle, but it seems possible if not likely that there will be others (and we differentiate same titles by giving the information in parenthesis). 3)If it's really 'The Garden on the Moon' and not 'Garden on the Moon' this would really have to be made into yet another variant title. Do you already know how to unmerge and variant? Thanks for your submissions anyway! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's really "The Garden on the Moon" on the title page. I used to know how to unmerge and variant, but have forgotten. Looking at the help pages it seems the first step is an unmerge while displaying the parent title, so I'll submit that to start with. Thanks for the other fixes. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted the submission to unmerge the UK edition, and because I was aware of what you were doing, went ahead and made it into a variant of the original French title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:35, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I went ahead and verified it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dancer from Atlantis ==<br />
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Hello, I've added some notes and replaced the amazon scan for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116611 here], I've also changed the price from £0.70 to £0.75 as per my copy. Can you have a look at yours to see if it's correct? Thanks. Hervé [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1957 ==<br />
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Hello, I added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89770 this magazine] for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chris_DeVito Chris DeVito]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Intruders'' ==<br />
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Added to the Note for Fane/Fanthorpe's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105791 ''The Intruders''], re the availability of a facsimile PDF of this edition. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 01:54, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Also [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106221 ''Unknown Destiny'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:00, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 ''U.F.O. 517'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The High Crusade ==<br />
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Hello, the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41493 this] publication is Jack Faragasso, see [http://www.faragassoart.com/book/id20.html faragassoart.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959'' ==<br />
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A cover image has been added to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959''] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?95241 ''Fantastic Universe, March 1959'']. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== About the Author (The Tombs of Atuan) ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:MartyD#The Tombs of Atuan|this discussion]] regarding the {{T|228421|About the Author}} which appears in your verified {{P|101011|The Tombs of Atuan}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Earth Book of Stormgate One ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with scan of verified copy here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118521 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 10:44, 13 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon image with a scan of my verified copy http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 12:51, 15 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, March 1958 ==<br />
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Have added a a cover scan of my verified copy to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?91931 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 11:04, 7 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, September 1959 ==<br />
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Have added a note regarding Miller-Contento listing to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds ==<br />
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Have replaced the Amazon link with a scan of my verified copy in The Rebel Worlds http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 14:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Generic" content titles ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome back. You might want to edit the notice at the top of this page....<br />
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I don't know if it's a change, but current practice for generic (I think the help calls them "standard") content titles, such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Preface", etc. -- just about anything you could easily imagine appearing in other publications over completely different text -- is to disambiguate them by including the publication's title in parentheses, at the end. I did this to "Preface", "About the Editor", and "Notes on the Authors" in {{P|257517|I Shudder at Your Touch}}. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Makes sense; I recall that now. It's been a while! I'm selling a few hundred of my books and thought I'd do some verifications and updates on anything not yet verified before they leave my hands. I'll make sure I do that from now on. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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== ''Snow White, Blood Red'' ==<br />
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A couple of questions/comments about {{P|173951|Snow White, Blood Red}}. I accepted the submissions, but:<br />
* Should the "Ellen Datlow" piece at the end be ESSAY instead of SHORTFICTION? I'm guessing it's a bio?<br />
* With the page count as you've supplied it, I think the pieces on p. 412 and beyond should have their page numbers in brackets per [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Page]].<br />
* See my previous note about disambiguating content titles. I'd consider that for "Recommended Reading", and it might be appropriate for the two author bios.<br />
Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Got it. Will go do that now; thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:15, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Clipper of the Clouds'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437545 this publication], but changed the publisher to "Scottie Books" to match the current publisher in ISFDB records. (If that's not correct, please change it back.) A question: what is on the 2 unnumbered pages at the end of the book? Unless there is significant text, such as the last two pages of the novel are unnumbered, or there's an afterword, etc., then recording them in the page count isn't usually done. We don't record pages that include advertising or catalog lists, a usual practice for paperbacks. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for the [6] pages added to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268941 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:27, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing data fields of primary verified records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to discuss changes in the data fields of primary verified records with the editor who verified it. I'm holding your submission to add [5] pages to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250308 this record]. Is there significant text on these pages? Otherwise, I'm certain the verifier would have included them in the original record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I knew that rule, so I apologize; I should have asked the verifier. There is no significant text on those pages, so I'd guess that the verifier simply ignored them. I take it that that's standard practice, then? Even if there are clearly unnumbered pages before or after the main text block, one doesn't indicate that with "[n]" unless there are content entries to be made from those pages? The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages help text] doesn't specify, so I wasn't sure. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
::And I now see you've answered my question above. OK if I change the help text to say that? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Before making changes to help documentation, you should post a message on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions ISFDB:Rules and Standards discussions] page. If there is no objection, and no debate is generated within a couple of days or so, feel free to update the documentation. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I made a couple of other edits recently to the help text and will add links to those there too so they can be discussed. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Airmont edition of ''Round the Moon'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295411 this record]. The price would indicate that it was published several years after the original 1969 printing, probably circa 1980. (Look at the prices of other printings from this publisher.) Airmont sometimes indicates the printing date as a code on the last page or so of text. Perhaps your copy has such a printing code? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There's a "3-77" at the foot of the last page; is that a date? It's perfect bound so doesn't appear to be a signature identifier. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's the printing code. You can update the record and provide the source for the date in the Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Done. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Assassin's Apprentice'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437604 this record], but it wasn't sourced. I assumed you're working from a copy but didn't indicate that with the proper bullet (the default indicates that you would be providing your source in the Note field, but it's not there.) Also, if you include the excerpt from the end of the book as a content record, then the page count field should indicate that as well. Fifteen unnumbered pages would be entered as "435+[15]". It seems that none of the ISFDB records for other printings of this edition have the correct page count either. (Don't know how they got through moderation, and one of them is primary verified by a moderator. Oh, well.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:17, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437605 this record] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437606 this one]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Ouch. I knew that. Sorry, was careless there. Unfortunately I can't do an accurate page count now because I had to ship the books to a buyer. The 15 page addendum starts on 439 so goes through 453, but I don't recall if that's the last unnumbered page or if there were more blank pages after that. What's the best thing to do now? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:08, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Since you stated in the notes that the excerpt was 15 pages long, there's no need to record any of the blank pages or pages of advertising. So "435+[15]" should be fine. It doesn't matter what page it started on. The page count field gives the page count, not the pagination, which is a whole kettle of fish that we don't deal with here. A "stick-up-the-ass" bibliographer would give the pagination, for example as "[1-8],9-435,[436-438:blank],[439-453],[454-462:blank]". You can see now why we just give a simplified page count! Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Howard's ''Almuric'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that there is no ISBN stated in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179857 this publication]? I thought that by 1971, NEL had already started using them. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There is an ISBN; I missed it -- it's just a string of digits at the bottom of the page with no explanation. I'll add it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:31, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::And thanks for doing the followup edits on the titlemerges, by the way! I appreciate it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem at all. It's a lot easier for a moderator to do it, and I keep my eye out for such followup edits. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Binding/format for ''Time Must Have a Stop'' ==<br />
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This {{P|439319|Time Must Have a Stop}} addition came through with a binding/format of "unknown". I'm guessing you do know? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Oops; careless of me. Yes; fixed. I also added a note indicating that this is definitely not a first edition. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== 16th Pocket ''Contact'' ==<br />
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I believe your proposed 16th Pocket printing of ''Contact'' is a duplicate of {{P|289704|this}}, unless you meant a number other than 16. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:It must be; can't tell because I packed and shipped it. I thought I searched those pubs for a 16th printing but I guess I missed it -- thanks for catching that. And sorry for the slow response; I'm selling my house so things are a bit frantic. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. Good luck! I rejected the clone and moved the note about Canada price and the new content / page numbers to the existing entry. I'll leave Ron a note about the changes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover image ==<br />
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... by a user to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89710 this magazine]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Conan from Sphere ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437790 About this record] I have a quick question. I see the ISBN you've listed for the book on the back cover, but a different ISBN inside on the title page (0722146914) from a previous printing. I believe that they did not update the ISBN when they reprinted the book. I plan to add a note to the record if that's ok with you. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 14:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== I add the other prices to the verified ==<br />
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I add the other prices to the verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 22:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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Hi. I added a cover scan and some notes (9-digit ISBN, overseas prices) to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101251 your verified]. Furthermore, I think the writer's name should be recorded as Ursula K. LeGuin (in one word), and varianted to the canonical one, as it is spelt thus on both cover and title page. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:13, 12 May 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Tales of the White Hart ==<br />
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Added some notes and a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?90571 your verified]. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 09:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
:Added artist's name (Peter Goodfellow) from previous editions. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Edward Valigursky ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Ed(ward) Valigursky|this discussion]] regarding covers by Edward Valigursky. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fire Time ==<br />
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Hi, I have found the cover artist for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118841 Fire Time]. It is Colin Hay, see [http://www.chameleon-arts.com/colin-hay/jackets-10.html here].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 13:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Rebound, redux ==<br />
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This is just to ping you that I replied to an old discussion we had [[#Frankenstein_Unbound|further up on this talk page]]. Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow of Heaven ==<br />
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Hi. I think there is a typo in your verified {{P|128501}} where the Australian price should be 80c instead of 60c. Do you have any objections to me making that change? Many thanks. --[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 15:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Bloodhype'' ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon image of Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108291 ''Bloodhype''] with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 14:00, 2 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1956 ==<br />
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Mike: Downloaded an image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89722 Fantastic Universe, January 1956]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Ditto for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89749 Fantastic Universe, June 1956]. As a sidebar, this may have been the first science fiction digest that I ever read, way back in '71 or '72. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Unlocking the Air", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I made a couple of minor edits to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52881 verified publication]: I added an "ix+" to the page count; added a note giving the title of the Paul Klee painting on the cover; and added the LCCN. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher for "Fantastic Universe" ==<br />
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We have 63 issues of "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18631 Fantastic Universe] entered, all of which have been verified. Of those, 62 have been verified with the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6775 King-Size Publications], and one verified by you with a publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93401 King-Size Publishers]. Could you check whether that one odd issue was really entered correctly? Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Deep Fix - Colvin ==<br />
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Replaced cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38232 this book] with a better scan from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge (Savoy) ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128371 this book] with one that includes the rear and also added other prices to notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin - Threshold ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101341 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Condition of Muzak ==<br />
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Added cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125951 this book] and just wanted to check. My copy dated August 1980 has the price £1.50 printed above a small back rectangular box (preumably hiding the original price). I'll make a note of that but could you let me know please. Thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Elric of Melniboné ==<br />
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Added full wraparound cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128261 this book] and other prices. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Rituals of Infinity ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128321 this book] is by Geoff Taylor from his website [http://www.geofftaylor-artist.com/galleries/cover-art/art/rituals-infinity here]. Record amended accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:24, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Queen of the Swords ==<br />
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Added cover scan taken from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125921 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Runestaff ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 this book] with one from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Sleeping Sorceress ==<br />
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Added cover art scanned from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:04, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 thids book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Vertigo ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127311 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:36, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the interior art illustrator to the contents of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101401 verified publication], as credited on the copyright page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Added two additional cover prices to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?112391<i>Enemies of the System</I>] from back cover of my copy. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 17:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Taran Wanderer ==<br />
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I added the (real) Jody Lee cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115891 Taran Wanderer], which you verified... [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 07:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds - additional Pub Notes ==<br />
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Verifying my edition of your PV1'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841<i>The Rebel Worlds</I>], I added a couple of Pub Notes with some extra publication history, and additional pricing. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 15:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Colony - pub notes ==<br />
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Hi, I added a pub note and slightly re-arranged a couple of others on your PV of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437868 <I>Colony</i>], [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 19:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Unforsaken Hiero - pub notes ==<br />
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I've added pub notes on pub history, cover artist credit and pricing to your P(T)'d [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278994<i>The Unforsaken Hiero</I>], and amended the 'Publisher' field in the metadata to show what's on the title and copyright pages. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 12:00, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dispossessed - special overseas edition? ==<br />
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Hi, I have a rather tatty ?th-hand 1975 Panther/Granada pb copy of <I>The Dispossessed</I>, but really need to check one detail before doing an additional verification of the copy it otherwise matches, your PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101351 edition]. Could you let me know how your copy's copyright page compares with what's in mine? It reads as follows from the top:<br />
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:Granada Publishing Limited<br />
:Special overseas edition published in 1975 by Panther Books Ltd<br />
:[...address details...]<br />
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:First published in Great Britain by<br />
:Victor Gollancz Ltd 1974<br />
:Copyright © Ursula Le Guin 1974<br />
:[...printers details...]<br />
:[...legal warnings etc...]<br />
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If yours doesn't have the 'Special overseas edition...' line, then I imagine I can submit a New or Clone Pub submission. Thanks, [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 07:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- I'm no longer here much, but I stopped by for another purpose. I may eventually be able to pull this out of a box, but it'll be a while; I suggest you go ahead on the assumption I won't be able to look at this any time soon. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:09, 14 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover image to your verified {{P|89769|Fantastic Universe, December 1956}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:51, 31 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Night in Toyland ==<br />
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Have replaced the cover scan for our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8897 Dark Night in Toyland] with one that does not include a white background/border. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 22:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Cover artist Colin Hay of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100891 this] is credited on pages 80 and 96 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362758+f this] art book. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 09:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover for ''Fantastic Universe, June-July 1953'' ==<br />
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[[User talk:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] has added a cover image to your verified {{P|88195|Fantastic Universe, June-July 1953}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mandrake ==<br />
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Hi, Mike. I've put a hold on the update to the record as the month is from the Penguin website. I should have added the link when I did the secondary verifications but have now done so. Don't know if this would change any notes you might add? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I wasn't paying enough attention and didn't see that the attribution to the website would cover the month. No, I think the submission can be cancelled. The only other possible edit would be to put in the text the way I have it since that's what's on the book (including "photographs" rather than "photography", and then clarify that the month is not on the book. I was just correcting the text to match the book. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Black Cauldron ==<br />
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Hi, you verified some Yearling ''The Black Cauldron'' in one undated printing P{{p|115871}}. No cover image but I wonder can you verify that we have the correct illustration --that is, probably, the correct front cover image for your book except for the "Special Low Price $2.69" seal. See Cover {{t|143162}}. <br />
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If the Jody Lee image, probably that title is wrongly dated 1990 by assumption that (Dell) Yearling (Newbery). <br />
Anyway we also have this reported, unverified 1990 Jody Lee cover {{t|1717339}}.<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Five relevant publication records reportedly ISBN tp format (4)<br />
# 10th printing 1999-04 {{p|41503}}, Locus1 only<br />
# 38th printing 1999-03 {{p|157221}}, Locus1 only<br />
# 35th printing {{p|115901}}, you verified, maybe your notes, no cover image<br />
# 48th printing {{p|258147}}, no source, notes apparently by same user<br />
: and ISBN 0-440-22030-0 pb format (1)<br />
:5. Yearling Newbery 1996-06 {{p|41505}}, verified Auric, different cover illustration<br />
: Among them 1, 2, 3, and 5 attribute the cover to Jody Lee, yours with no cover image. <br />
: 1, 2, and 4 show cover images with the same illustration attributed twice to Jody Lee and once to Don Maitz.<br />
: 5 shows a cover with different illustration attributed to Jody Lee; this is the real Jody Lee illustration(?)<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 1 that we attribute twice to Jody Lee T{{t|143244}} and once (by user Taweiss whom I consulted[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#The_Book_of_Three]) to Jean-Leon Huens T{{t|1817072}}<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 2 that we attribute to Jean-Leon Huens T{{t|1092028}}<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 3 that we attribute usually to Don Maitz T{{t|1357212}} and once to Jody Lee {{t|143321}} --you verified one copy as by Jody Lee, without a cover image, presumably because this is not the Lee illustration<br />
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: You note "Cover art uncredited but signed with the same logo used on other editions credited to Jody Lee." I don't know see the logo but I wonder whether it may really be the logo of Jean-Leon Huens, as 'Jean-Leon' is similary to 'Jody Lee'.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:08, 2 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: P.S. I suppose that 5 shows "the real Jody Lee illustration(?)" because of the match in style with covers for ''Castle in the Attic'' and ''Battle for the Castle'' T{{t|1537927}} and T{{t|1537928}} (no logo visible to me), which I fixed last month. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:14, 2 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: I wrote also to TAWeiss who has verified some records of Prydain novels,<br />
::: who at [[User talk:Taweiss#The Book of Three]] now recommends this [http://prydain.wikia.com/wiki/Book_Editions_and_Cover_Illustrations article on Prydain illustrations].<br />
::: I will pursue this another day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:47, 21 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Agent of the Terran Empire ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115971 this] is Bob Fowke, as the same art is on page 54-55 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476572+f Dangerous Frontiers]. Thanks. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 21:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cryptozoic ==<br />
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Added cover image to your verified Cryptozoic. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?111781 Cryptozoic]]Thanks. -- --[[User:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] 22:21, 4 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Norton Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I second verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24518 and uploaded a new scan showing the jacket spine. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 07:48, 12 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, March 1957 ==<br />
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Hi. Added cover image to your Verified {{P|89778|Fantastic Universe, March 1957}}. [[User:Xipetotec|Xipetotec]] 07:07, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Aldiss's ''Starswarm'' ==<br />
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Added overseas cover prices to our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107201 Starswarm]. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 07:06, 7 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile 72' Tandem ==<br />
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Added Peter Goodfellow artist to your verified pub.[[User:Collectible Science Fiction|Collectible Science Fiction]] 18:44, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Venture Science Fiction ==<br />
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Hi Mike. While going through what Venture Science Fiction I have, I noticed that in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104291 May 1969] and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104431 February 1970] issues you have interior art contents with "untitled" as the titles. I understand that the current rules say those should be given the name of the publication title if not specifically meant for a content title. Added the 2nd illo for Plague Ship in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104351 Nov 1969] issue. Added 2 illos and one review as an essay for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104871 May 1970] issue. Added notes to issues May 69 thru August 70. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 00:33, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== What Entropy Means to Me ==<br />
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Hi, I've found the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89801 What Entropy Means to Me]. It is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1615101 Fernando Fernandes].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:52, 13 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in the Far Future / Tales of Outer Space ==<br />
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I added pub month with explanatory pub note to your PV'd http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100991. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101051 Dreams Must Explain Themselves] ==<br />
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Hello, I have added the extra page to the page count and a note on the date of publication.<br />
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I have also some associated questions: <br />
:1) Could you describe the interior art (as I presume that it was previously published in Algol)?<br />
:2) Is the map by John Bush also the one that accompanies the classic novels of Earthsea? (We could finally identify the artist for that one).<br />
Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Change needed to Assassin's Quest? ==<br />
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Hi, I recently verified the {{P|565870|7th printing of Assassin's Quest}} and noticed that the {{P|437606|10th printing}} you verified might need an update. <br />
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1) You used the generic Amazon link for the cover, [[http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0553565699.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg here]], and this has now changed to the new Alejandro Colucci cover which was released in mid-2014. It looks like yours had the {{T|1883503|older Steven Youll cover}}, so the link needs to be updated. Any chance you can get it back to take another look? The cover seems to have remained pretty much the same over the years, except for the part just under the author's name where it says "Author of xxxx." If you need another image, I will be glad to look through the Internet Archive for a link to one.<br />
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2) If you are able to view the book again, does your version also include a map, like the 7th printing? If it does, may I add it to your version?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 06:21, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, I no longer have the book. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:07, 20 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Operation Satellite ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87905 Operation Satellite]. Found it on Amazon. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 22:20, 17 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Again, cover for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105571 Edge of Eternity]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:41, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::And for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105731 In the Beginning]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 00:47, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Other Days, Other Eyes ==<br />
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Shouldn't the Publication Price for {{P|128471|Other Days, Other Eyes}} be £0.35 and not £0.30? The Notes has a UK price of 35p which matches my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 11:44, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:My copy is buried; sorry, I can't check. It's quite possible I made a mistake so feel free to correct it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:46, 9 March 2017 (UTC)</div>
Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Mike_Christie&diff=462435
User talk:Mike Christie
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<p>Mike Christie: I don't have it any longer</p>
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<div>Welcome to my talk page.<br />
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== Welcome :) ==<br />
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Welcome aboard! I think we have all the "hot" topics linked from the Main page for your browsing convenience. If you have any questions, just post them on that page or its Talk page. If you have general questions (e.g. "what the heck are we doing here anyway??"), feel free to post them either at [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] or on my or Al's User page any time :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:44, 22 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==A note from T. Jackson King==<br />
Hi Mike! This is T. Jackson King (Tom) logging in here to say thanks for the 6/27 welcome note on my talk page, and to ask you for guidance on how I can modify the listing of my short and long works that key to my author name (above). I've put in a third person biography here and on Wikipedia, but I'd like to update my short fiction listing, the awards category, and then link the biblio stuff to the bio page on Wikipedia. I've read through the How Tos and other stuff, but every time I try to "edit" anything other than my bio, I get a screen message saying editing is presently limited to moderators. Having read the main page stuff and info on new software, etc., I guess that explains that. Any suggestions on how I could gain moderator status solely for my writing info stuff? Or can you or Al or who knows? open up my biblio section so I can do as above? Anyway, thanks much for all the work you and others do to maintain this site. While I have my own website, I love Wikipedia (newbie enthusiasm) and have found the ISFDB to include a lot of fellow writers I've known since the early 1980s. My personal email address should be listed on my login data, or, if not, then you can find it on my web site at www.sfwa.org/members/tjacksonking The email address there doesn't work to link to me, but the address is accurate. Enough chatter. Thanks for your time. Tom<br />
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== Budrys ==<br />
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Responses posted on [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:39, 23 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Vacuum tubes ==<br />
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Thanks for the heads up about transistors! Normally, I am not a fan of new and unproven technologies, but spare parts ''are'' getting harder to get these days... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:35, 25 Jun 2006 (CDT)== Agent of the Terran Empire ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115971 this] is Bob Fowke, as the same art is on page 54-55 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476572+f Dangerous Frontiers]. Thanks. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 21:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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==Welcome template==<br />
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Oops! I knew I was missing something! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:53, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Thanks for the welcome ==<br />
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Howdy Mike and thanks for the welcome. I certainly hope to be able to help out with fixing that which needs it and the verification process (I almost called it an effort but that implies there is an end to it whereas a process can be never ending . . .) [[User:PortForlorn|PortForlorn]] 00:02, 19 Oct 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==Collection==<br />
Answered on my Talk page to preserve context, continuity, etc :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:58, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
:Answers updated on my Talk page. We may want to move the last part of the discussion to the Portal since it may have broader applicability. Also, we may want to revive the [[Bibliographic Rules]] page at some point since the Community Portal is getting crowded. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:22, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Dropped Text==<br />
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Yes, I saw a big chunk of text seemingly disapper about an hour ago. As far as I can tell, the text is still there and you can access it if you pull up the whole page in "Edit Page", but it is not displayed any more. Probably some special characters and/or formatting messing it up. I'll see if I can unscramble it, thanks :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:42, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:The problem with the Community Portal page was the "p" template which was messing it up for some reason. I took it out for now and the page is back in business :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:51, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn ==<br />
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Mike,<br />
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FYI, "Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn", "Vithaldas O'Quinn", "Vithaldas H. O'Quinn", etc were all pseudonyms used by Santesson -- see Contento and http://www.trussel.com/books/pseud_o.htm [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:06, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Aha. Thanks for that. I wonder what his source is? I just checked Who's Hugh (should have done that before), and it gives Contento and McGhan as sources for this; McGhan predates Contento but I'm not familiar with it.<br />
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:I wonder if it would be a good idea for us to eventually have a "sources" table, with a way of citing a source for any non-obvious connection -- primarily assigning pseudonyms. E.g. the variant titles connection could have a secondary table with a key of parent title, child title, and an attribute of source id, pointing to the source which attests the connection. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:26, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::It's probably a good idea to formalize the pseudonym attribution process, which is currently effectively undefined. However, I am not sure what the best approach would be. Something for the Community Portal, perhaps? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::Yes, but I think I'll hold off on that for now -- it's not going to happen before beta testing, and I'd like to avoid any red herrings. I think we do need a couple more features to go live effectively, but not much, so I plan to be minimalist about non-go-live-related issues for a bit. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:41, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Certainly understandable. I have been reluctant to start a discussion of my top secret LIAM module for pretty much the same reason. My biggest concern is that although the software is currently largely functional, it has enough built-in gotchas and twists to discourage all but the most dedicated editors. And once a potential contributor is discouraged, he may not be easy to lure back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:48, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Good point; hadn't really thought about it that way. I think one goal of the beta is to identify what can be improved along these lines. However, to me the main implication is that usability and workflow enhancements are the main thing to look at between now and the beta, since we can actually *do* most things now. That's why, for example, I think award editing is low priority, but an ISFDB watchlist is high priority. I can't see a Heinlein project team member getting very far without the ability to keep an eye on "his" data. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:53, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::It's entirely possible that the majority of the ISFDB activity will be eventually Author-centric, but it's hard to tell ahead of time. In the past, the ISFDB had two primary categories of editors: authors and bibliographers. Authors tended to be highly author-centric (not entirely surprisingly, one might add) and their activity was sporadic, based on random factors like the appearance of new stories/books, writer's block, insomnia, etc. I can certainly see how a returning author may want to see a list of changes to his biblio since his last visit.<br />
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::::::Bibliographers, on the other hand, tended to be much more thorough and '''much''' less author-centric. Some would concentrate on magazines, others on first editions, yet another category would be interested in certain publishers (e.g. DAW and Baen as can be seen elseWiki), etc. They would be much less likely to benefit from this proposed tool unless it could be made highly configurable and track many different fields in various clever ways, which I consider unlikely given our limitations.<br />
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::::::Finally, there are two other categories of editors from years past: unpublished writers who would try to sneak their work undercover, as it were, and regular genre readers, who typically come and go at random intervals. Having said that, the Internet has grown so much and the idea of user-editable databases has become so widespread in recent years, that it's hard to tell what kind of audience we will draw this time around. Oh well, time will tell :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::That list of likely editor types is very illuminating. I guess I was thinking that some authors have such a following that they would draw interested editors, but I suppose the list of authors that would have a sufficiently dedicated following is quite short. On the other hand, my watchlist at Wikipedia has a high overlap with the pages I've edited; I think a lot of editors would like to work that way.<br />
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::::::::There are good-to-excellent single author bibliographies on the net (Bramah, Farmer, Leinster, Vance, etc) that are maintained either by individuals or by small groups, but I don't think we had a whole lot of luck getting them to update the ISFDB. Or, if we did, they were not as visible as the other types of editors. Perhaps we will have beter luck this time. I suppose that "struggling writers", who tended to be more visible, saw the ISFDB and similar outlets as a way to get free publicity. Clearly, Stephen King didn't need the ISFDB to maintain a decent standard of living :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::The key point seems to me to be that we have to have a way to watch data being degraded, so we can stop it. You're putting in many hours of work doing consistency checks. How do you know they are still consistent? (Well, there's not many people editing right now, but you know what I mean.) I spent a long time on the "Ace Books" article in Wikipedia, and I have it watchlisted. I go check every single edit that's done to it, because I have an interest in keeping it high quality. If I can't do that for, e.g., the Fantastic Universe issues I've been entering, I won't really want to enter any more of them. I recently noticed that a title in one of the issues had been changed for an editorial, for example. I'm pretty sure that Al did it, in verifying against Contento2, so I asked him about it. If 20,000 changes had gone by while I was on vacation, I'd have no way of knowing if those issues were still in good shape.<br />
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::::::::This is definitely a major concern, but I am not sure that the proposed software solution is as easy to implement as all that -- see below. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::I realize that moderators are going to be eyeballing changes, and we can have rules about not approving changes to records that are verified, without some justification given in the notes. That's actually pretty strong protection, but I don't think it's quite enough.<br />
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:::::::To get back to your editor types, I think the pure bibliographers will want to know that their work is not just going to get corrupted, otherwise they won't want to enter data. They may not watchlist everything they enter, but they may watchlist most of it.<br />
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:::::::Finally, I don't think it's necessarily that hard to do. To watchlist a title, for example, you need a userid/titleid cross reference table; pretty straightforward. Then you need "for each title: list approved submissions that affect this title, get all publications; for each publication: list approved submissions that affect this title". The user could click on the submission to see the original update request. That would be the equivalent of a diff. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 21:31, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::::Well, that may be easy to implement in a static environment, but Title IDs and Publication IDs get merged and deleted all the time. I really don't know how much work it would take to get even to the low hanging fruit, so I would need to defer to Al. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::Yuck. Merged ids changing the id of what you're watchlisting; hadn't really considered that. I can think of answers, but fundamentally you're right that there are some gotchas -- though I still suspect we need to do it, or something like it. Anyway, I've started a beta discussion on the community portal, so let's wait and see what comes out of that -- maybe nobody else will agree we need the watchlist function. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 09:28, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Regularized Case==<br />
I noticed that [[Template:PublicationFields:Title]] and related pages do not include "on" in the list of words that should not be capilized in titles. For example - The DAW list has the following and they look "correct" to me but don't follow ISFDB's conventions and I'm wondering if the conventions should be updated or the DAW titles. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:07, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
*''Incident on Ath''<br />
*''Monday Begins on Saturday''<br />
*''Ocean on Top''<br />
*''One on Me''<br />
*''The Darkness on Diamondia''<br />
*''The Sailor on the Seas of Fate''<br />
*''Walkers on the Sky''<br />
:You're right; "on" looks correct. I'll fix this in the templates -- thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 07:46, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Bug 10009 ==<br />
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Looks plenty fixed to me! :) Al rolled out a number of fairly major changes today, so I would guess that he also zapped 10009 as a "ah heck, might as well do it now" kind of thing. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:12, 7 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== "Nevile Shute"? ==<br />
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Mike, does http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVSEP1959 reflect the spelling of Nevil Shute's name in the magazine correctly or is it a typo? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:17, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:Oops. Fixed. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 18:26, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Templates for magazines ==<br />
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I think the conservative thing to do for now is to "just make the template available so that projects that get going can use it". That way we won't forget about it and can always go back and propagate the template if it becomes popular.<br />
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As far as "author-centricity" goes, it's the natural way to ''organize'' projects and keep track of them. It's not that we will necessarily have all that many author-centric editors, but rather that I can't think of a better way to record what has been done and where things stand. On any given day I may jump between a dozen different Authors and two dozen Series, merging things, deleting, adding, checking secondary biblios, etc, but at the end of the day I go back to the respective Author (and sometimes Series) pages in the Wiki to record what has been done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:37, 17 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Collections contents ==<br />
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I'll happily add the contents, it's just I couldn't see a way to do it from the create page. <br />
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I'll try the clone options page next time. I'm only going to be touching any books if I've got them in front of me. [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 08:48, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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One possible beta bug, I entered years (xxxx-0-0) for all the stories in scared stiff but they've all come through zeroed.<br />
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I'll correct those and see if they go through this time.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 09:59, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Cold print answer ==<br />
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It is a collection, with a second expanded edition, so the initial verification as a novel is a mistake.<br />
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==Recent Hayford Peirce edits==<br />
Hi Mike, I see you're online approving my edits. I seem to have done some things wrong, however. When I go to the Hayford Peirce article it doesn't show Der Zeit-etc. as a foreign edition of Napoleon Disentimed. And now there are two entries for Dinosaur Park -- I was just trying to add the month of publication (May 1994) to the original entry of 1994. Sorry for screwing things up! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:17, 25 Dec <br />
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::No problem. You might find [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant|this help page]] useful -- your data entry was fine, but now you need to tell the ISFDB that "Der Zeit . . ." is actually a variant of "Napoleon Disentimed". When you entered "Der Zeit" it created a publication record, and a title record, both saying "Der Zeit" was the title. Pub records track physical books, so that record doesn't need to change. Title records are the things that connect multiple publications of the same work. So you need to connect the title record of "Der Zeit" to the title record of "Napoleon Disentimed"; the help page link should help you figure it out. If it's not clear, ask again. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::A couple of things to keep in mind. One is that we have a display bug in the current version of the ISFDB software. It causes Variant Titles to appear twice, once as a "Variant Title" under the parent title and once by itself. The bug used to be limited to short fiction titles, but now that Al is trying to integrate short fiction and novel length data on the same page, it has spread to novels as well. That's why ''Dinosaur Park'' is displayed twice. It's just a display issue, there is no need to adjust the data -- I am sure it will be fixed soon.<br />
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:::The second thing to keep in mind is that we are currently listing foreign language translations of English language books as Publications under the main English language title. The reason for it is to avoid clutter on the main Author page for Authors that have been translated into numerous languages. I have already merged the German language version with the English langiage original, so we are all set for now. In the future, you can simply use the "Add Publication to this Title" link on the Title's page to avoid the need to merge the newly entered title with the parent. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Regarding Zeit-etc. Yes, the first entry I made I had the date structure wrong (according to a warning), so I went back and corrected it, or so I thought. Evidently that led to two different entries being made. There should only be one. In any case, the date of publication should, correctly, be 1992-00-00 -- I guess! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
::OK -- have a go at deleting the incorrect one; it should be easy to figure out how. I know the warning message you're talking about; it's just informative, and doesn't stop the data being entered. The format for unknown dates is zeroes, so you can just enter 1992 and ignore the warnings if it's going to be zeroes anyway. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Righto -- it's easier to have the discussion going on at a single page. I have already deleted one of the Zeits. I started to delete Dinosaur Park from my list of novels, since it's now shown as a variant title of Thirteenth Majestral. But then I was afraid that deleting it would also remove it from the variant status. Is a puzzlement! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Yup, it's that bug mentioned above raising its ugly head :( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Ah, so you're saying that I *can't* delete that second listing?! That sounds like a pretty major bug to me! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:57, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::Well, it's just a display bug: if you look at the URLs that the two displayed titles point to, it's the same location, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?15751 This bug only popped up the other day, so it's presumably due to the software overhaul that Al von Ruff is currently in the middle of. I will re-report it again on the Bug page just to make sure he is aware of it :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:03, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::And thanks for the on-going tips -- I'm sure that I'll get up to speed on this eventually. I do have, for instance, other foreign edition info to put in for various books. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 <br />
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::::Hi Mike, it's actually a trade paperback, I guess, the big glossy pb -- I should have realized that there was a different entry for that. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 14:23, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Pence and pounds==<br />
Hi Mike, thanks for the tip on the pound sign -- I use the character set from time to time for other things, so I'll remember to use it here also. Regarding the price of the Canning book, however, we've gotta remember that it was a 1973 book, before the pound had a hundred units of whatever it is. <br />
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1971 was the changeover: a pre-decimal pound was the same as a post-decimal pound though.<br />
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In those days (and I just checked it in my big old Websters) the pound had 20 shillings and each shilling had 12 pence. So a pound consisted of 240 pence. Which means that a book that sold for 50p (or 50 pence, I'm pretty sure) was not the equivalent of £0.50 -- it would actually be the equivalent of £0.208 (50 divided by 240). Or so I think. Maybe I should go back to the Canning item and change the "p" to "pence"? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 16:20, 30 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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A pound still has twenty shillings in it, but no youth will know what a shilling was. (It's 5 new pence rather than 12 old pence.)<br />
You'd never see a pre-decimal price in pence alone, though, unless it was less than a shilling: and those would have been labelled "d" rather than "p". So "6d" would be half a shilling, or "£0.025" in current parlance. I forget when we lost the half-penny, but I'm pretty sure we don't need to go to three decimals after the mid 1980s....<br />
For pre-decimal prices though, 50p didn't exist, we'd call half a pound "10 shillings" or "10 Bob". If it was really 50 pennies, then it would be "Four shillings and tuppence" or "4/2".<br />
I apologise for my country's weird currency shift,but all I can do now is resist joining the Euro and making it THREE currency systems in my lifetime...<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:06, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Burr by Gore Vidal==<br />
Hi, Mike, and Happy New Year! I see that Burr is listed as a novel by Gore Vidal -- he did indeed write, although not on that date, and it is NOT possibly SF or anything associated with it. I just tried to delete it completely from the list but evidently one has to be a moderator to do so. So, would you be kind enough to do so when you have a moment? Thanks! (It's a *great* book, by the way!) [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:11, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Hmmm, that's very strange -- I just looked at the Vidal biblio summary and Burr is still there. Plus, when I tried to delete it, there was a message across the top of the screen that only a moderator could do so.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:34, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Charles McCarry==<br />
Sorry, I just saw why you had rejected my edit -- *after* I had redone it. I thought that maybe I had forgotten to hit the submit button. I'll redo it, correctly, this time, as Non-Fiction. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:24, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==The "pre" tags==<br />
Hi Mike, I'm using them because someone put this info in the Jonathan Gash discussion and suggested that I use the phrase I've been putting in. I myself thought it looked "awful" once it showed up but I figgered he knew more about it than I did! I wish this Wiki had a preview feature in it so I could see what the changes are gonna look like! I'll go back and remove all the "pre" if you think that's what I should do. Or I'll do whatever you suggest to make things look better.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:02, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Okie, thanks. I copied the tag from "Edit" mode, and maybe there were some formatting things in there that were only for the note he wrote to me and that shouldn't have been copied into the Lovejoy stuff. I'll clean it up, but bear with me if it turns out to be a trial and error process.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Bad ISBN ==<br />
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It's impossible to edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO1318 title] as it has a # at the start of the ISBN and it makes it throws a Python error.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 14:23, 6 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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As I've just added a few entries with '#' at the start of the ISBN (as they are old books but have internal publishers numbers) I'm worried I may be causing you problems.<br />
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Although I see no problem with THAT particular entry.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:10, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Danke! I've been seeing that birthday thing for a while now and wondering if I wuz gonna show up -- now we know that at least *one* thing works! And most of the rest, too, for that matter. It's a wonder that there aren't *more* bugs -- my mind is boggled by how much info there is in here and how it's already so structured.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 11:27, 7 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== British Currency ==<br />
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Thanks for the note on this. Is there a standard for the pre-metric prices? Pounds, shillings and pence. Or is it okay to write them as they are on the books, i.e. 3/6 = three shillings and six pence.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 13:38, 7 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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I've been told that if there are no pence, we should use a dash - e.g. "three shillings exactly" is "3/-".<br />
I don't own any book that would give me an example of POUNDS, shillings and pence. I think there must have been a few, but those were no doubt luxury editions, and would probably need an explanation of "Guineas" too.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:16, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Check outcome of discussion on use of # in ISBN field==<br />
Hi Mike - I saw you added this but am not sure what page the discussion is on. I saw that you had edited the ISBN help to asking that people not enter the hyphens. That surprised me as I thought we wanted the hyphens as it makes it easier for humans to verify that the ISBN is correct. As moderators, hyphens work to our advantage because right now the moderator/approval page shows the raw data meaning that if I see a hyphenated value I know that an editor entered it with hyphens and ISFDB did not recognize it as an ISBN otherwise it would have stripped out the hyphens. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:28, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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Here's an update since I can't find the ISBN discussion. I just entered/verified a book (Starship by Brian W. Aldiss...) using an ISBN of V2321. ISFDB set up links to Amazon, etc. in the navbar as though this was a valid ISBN. I edited the pub to prefix the catalogue code with # and that got rid of the links to Amazon. I suspect it's a bug but might as well include this with the ISBN discussion.) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:59, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thanks for the update -- I guess I misunderstood the outcome of that discussion. I had previously been entering ISBNs exactly as they appeared on the books, with the hyphens; this led to ISBNs that were truncated and incorrect. I rather suspect that's what's going on with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 this pub], for example; if you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?227671 title reference] you'll see there's something odd going on with the ISBN. I entered that from my copy; it's in my daughter's room and she's asleep right now, so I can't check it, but I'm willing to bet I entered that ISBN with hyphens and if I reenter it without hyphens it will fix the problem.<br />
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:What have you been doing for data entry of ISBNs? Are you using hyphens successfully? I know it displays them on output, but I'd like to know how to use them on input if that can work.<br />
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:For the "#", I take the point about the Amazon link -- hadn't noticed that. However I really dislike that "#" because it isn't actually on the publication. I would rather enter the real data and treat the Amazon link problem as a bug or feature request. Did we have a discussion on this somewhere about the pros and cons of the "#"? I am afraid we did, and it was agreed to use it, but I can't find that discussion now. I really want to suggest we make it optional, at least. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Regarding the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 pub] with the odd ISBN. I did an edit-pub and change the page count from 40 to 40x so that on the mod-screen I could see what the DB value was for the ISBN. The approval screen said <br />
:::{| border="1"<br />
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! align=left|Column!! align=left|Current [Record #100841]!! align=left|Proposed Changes<br />
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|'''Isbn:'''|| bgcolor="#ffc0c0"|0-590-42833-0|| bgcolor="#d0ffd0"|0590428330<br />
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|}<br />
::It looks like the ISBN had been entered with hyphens before Al started removing them. It seems like there’s a lot of outstanding project requests but yet another one will be to do a DB scan and for all of the publications with valid (good checksum) hyphenated ISBNs we need to remove the hyphens. I believe I have already reported the display bug where the code is inconsistent in its interpretation of valid vs. invalid data.<br />
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::Yes, I am entering hyphens successfully. At the moment when you enter a publication the code looks at the ISBN and if it looks valid, including the checksum, the code will remove the hyphens. Thus had you reentered or just edited your book it would work. There is a bug in this area where if the checksum is not valid then the hyphens are not removed but some of the display code does assume it’s a valid ISBN and that leads to messy results. The good news is that on the moderator screen if you see hyphens then you know it’s an invalid ISBN. If the hyphens are gone then we know it’s either a valid ISBN (editor entered it with hyphens and they were stripped) or it’s an invalid ISBN entered without hyphens). I already have a feature request in for ISBN to better explain it’s interpretation of the data rather than us needing to rely on non-obvious (and unreliable) clues like hyphens in the mod-screens or if the link to Amazon is there.<br />
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::I agree with you about the “#” stuff and that it’s not stated and don’t particularly like the # prefix but also see that it helps makes the edit/display logic very clean and also easy to understand for the humans. Right now the code is getting messy as it attempts to allow for or to deal with human error when entering data into ISFDB, publisher errors, codes that look like ISBNs but are not (SBNs for example), etc. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Genre authors in non-genre periodicals ==<br />
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Hi Mike!<br />
I found where my "talk" page is accessed (I am a brand NOOB about wiki) and read your note about The Universe Well Lost. What is policy regarding stories that we want to index, because they are SF or are by an SF writer (like Sturgeon), but first appeared in a non-SF magazine? Should we add a note to the title record for the story?<br />
[[User:Chenrich|Chenrich]] 16:36, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re: recent edits (a little late) ==<br />
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Mike: you left a note for me which included the following puzzle:<br />
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"One is you've been deleting the "jvn" that is found in some of the Story Length fields. In fact this is intended to be there; I just realized it's not documented properly."<br />
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I hate to say this but, I've never even SEEN "jvn" on an entry let alone removed it.<br />
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It would seem that either something I'm doing is triggering an automatic removal or some error in a script is removing it. Where does the info show up?? I'd like to help track this down if I can...<br />
[[User:Dsorgen|Dave Sorgen]] 20:54, 17 Jan 07<br />
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:As I dealt with one of these dropped "jvn"s today I took a look into what I had approved/edited and then was able to replicate the issue with one of my test titles. It's an ISFDB bug. See [[Open_Editing_Bugs]] 10090 Minor dataloss – Edit-pub wipes out title storylens for novels. Dave is right in that he's never seen a "jnv" and I filed a bug report about that too at [[Open_Display_Bugs]] 20092 Display of storylen for novels. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:42, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Marc, thanks for figuring this out. Dave, I hope that clarifies it; let one of us know if not. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:50, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Aldiss/Non-Stop==<br />
Mike, on [[User_talk:Thomas_conneely#Aldiss.2FNon-Stop]] you wrote "I could have sworn he'd entered a variant title for "Non-Stop, by Brian Aldiss" at one point, but it's not there now." That's one of the few times where I decided to just leave it as a variant publication. The title record is for Brian W. Aldiss and the publications under that title are by both Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss. Had it been a pseudonym rather than a small variation in the author's name I would have added a variant title. Do you think I should add the VT every time? [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:21, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think so; I understood that to be current policy. Let's take it to Bibliographic Rules or the Community Portal if you think it should be revisited. As with other issues like this, I think the difficulty with your approach would be where to draw the boundary. What about "U. K. Le Guin", which Le Guin agreed to for "Playboy" (I think it was) at one point, only to later discover that the reason was they wanted to conceal her gender from their readers? Is that a significant enough difference? I'd say it was. Rather than make judgements, my preference would be to make 'em all vts unless they are identical in every respect -- punctuation, everything. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::It turned out there was already a title record (two of them in fact) for Non-Stop under Brian Aldiss and so I merged them and made the result a VT of Non-Stop by Brian W. Aldiss. In looking at the main [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?123 title] record it's painful as you can see that the Millennium publication must be one or the other, or maybe both. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:51, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Publications listed "as by Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss" or "Robert Heinlein and Robert A. Heinlein" etc are (unfortunately) not uncommon in the database. They mostly come from Amazon.com, which frequently mishandles middle initials. Have I mentioned the dope smoking penguins lately? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:27, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Magazine Tags==<br />
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Mike, when you wrote "All pubs have tags; for everything but magazine the tag is generated automatically, and the uniqueness is ensured by the ISFDB scripts. I believe the reason that the magazines don't do this is to make it easier to build the magazine index pages", were you basing it on the documentation or on your editing experience? I don't recall manually adding tags for any of the magazines that I entered in December and they seemed to be auto-generated just fine, so I wonder if this issue was resolved a while back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:23, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Wow. I never even thought of just leaving the field blank and letting it do the work! I assumed that the reason it was exposed in the New Mag screen was to ensure the human entered it. I'll update the help to correspond. Thanks for the heads up! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:10, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::I think it goes back to the ISFDB1 days when we had a separate magazine editor who had his own locally hosted database and had to do some magic with tags to get the two databases to talk to each other. Al would probably remember more about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:30, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== More on sigs ==<br />
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Marc, I forgot to mention that you need to check the "raw sig" checkbox to make the sig I gave you work. Also, when you sign on your own talk page, it's smart enough to unlink the talk link (since that's to the current page), so testing it on your own talk page is a bit misleading. Hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thank you Mike - I knew it would be misleading to test on my own pages but for some silly reason I got distracted and failed to test on some other page. The signature should be ok now. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 12:59, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space==<br />
Mike, I noticed that you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space]. Is the editor's name spelled Donald A. Wolheim or is the last name Wollheim in your copy? The contents are a bit tricky to read given it looks like you have both the A and B side stories. Maybe it would work if you create a new publication called ''Tales of Outer Space/Adventures in the Far Future'' Each pub would then list the title of the other on an unnumbered page and would only list the numbered stories for that side. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 15:38, 20 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Good catch; it was a typo on my part. I've fixed it.<br />
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:As for the two pub records approach -- I think this particular pub is the trickiest one I've entered. I don't really like the two pubs idea, because it really is just one pub. The anthology records are part of what's confusing -- they don't really correspond to a single physical pub, as one would expect. I think the right answer is to permit titles within a pub to have a hierarchical relationship to each other, so that the stories could be put inside the anthologies, but I think that's a big change with lots of coding difficulties. So for now I'm inclined to leave it as it is -- at least there are not very many of these omnibuses with anthologies inside them, so it's not a big problem. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:57, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Hello, printings & other thoughts ==<br />
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Hello mike. Still learning how to use site. Discovered enter key works like submit button.<br />
#Printings:Dated printings like ballantine seem straight forward to enter , but what about line numbers 1,2,3, etc.where printing 1-4 lets say are all identical, they raise price of book & printings run 5-9. Should the 1st book have a note saying printings seen 1-4 & 2nd book a note saying printings seen 7-9 & so on with new priced books.Than adjust note for newly discovered printings?<br />
#Older books with letter & number codes. Should i place "#" in front like #F-123 or enter F-123. I see it both ways which is preferred?<br />
#Instead of using "L" how do i get the pound sign?<br />
#I see you have a separate site for DAW books. I have about 200, most from 1-350. Where would this information be of most use?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:12, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Howdy; yes, it takes a while to learn your way around. I hope I can help. Some answers:<br />
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:#Printings: Currently the plan is to have 9 publications in the situation you describe. Each might differ only by printing date (which might not even be determinable) but they are physically different, if only by the number line. In some cases you can derive information about some printings from information in the later printings, and it's OK to enter this information. However, it would be good to explain the source in the notes, and also of course these printings should not be marked as verified unless you have a physical copy to hand.<br />
:#The "#" sign is preferred. I personally dislike this approach, but there are good reasons for it. I think the debate is likely to come up again in the future, but it is complicated, since that field is used for ISBN, which brings a variety of issues with it.<br />
:#If you're using Windows, you can go to Start->All Programs->Accessories->System Tools->Character Map, which permits you to copy all kinds of special characters into the clipboard, whence you can paste them into the price field. The other character I find I use it for is the em dash.<br />
:#Marc will probably notice your comment and respond to you directly, but if not, post a note to [[User talk:Marc Kupper]]. Marc is the DAW expert, and if you're willing he can send you a spreadsheet you can edit with your information. I did the same thing, and sent him about 150 verifications. He'd be glad of any offers to verify, I know.<br />
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:I hope that's useful; ask if there are more questions. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:30, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::*Printings: Note that if you add extra publication entries that you should note very carefully the source of the record. I normally also leave the price and ISBN fields blank to that people don't mistakenly believe a publication may exist with that particular price or ISBN. BTW Mike - I did not realize the plan was to have one publication record per printing. I had assumed one per ISBN/Price pair and that the notes field would have a list of the printings found. One record per printing though makes it much easier to deal with verification. As there is no printing field maybe we should adopt something like "Bantam (16th)" for the publisher name.<br />
::*On the price field and getting the £ sign. You can also use the numeric keypad on the right side of your keyboard. Hold down either ALT key and on the numeric keypad enter 0163, and release the ALT key. A “£” will appear.<br />
::*That's excellent about your DAW collection. Yes, I can e-mail you the spreadsheet. My e-mail is on http://marc.kupper.googlepages.com/contact --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 03:03, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==11th printing of A Wizard of Earthsea==<br />
Hi Mike - I see you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSR0000 A Wizard of Earthsea] using 0000-00-00 for the publication date. The printing history table in my 16th printing says the 11th printing was January 1979. Do you want me to update your record? I see that the 7th [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSD0000 publication] was not dated and someone "back-filled" in the date using the 11th printing as the source and assume that practice is ok with you. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:42, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:That would be great -- in fact I'll go ahead and make the change now. Could you also update the printing history information at [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea|the Le Guin biblio page]]? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
::Aha. I see you have. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Mike - I see you added 5-552-89816-8 to [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea]] - That's a Russian Federation ISBN meaning this may be a translated work. Here's a summary of the ISBN prefixes. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:07, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:::*0- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*1- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*2- French (language - Primarily France but also Canada, Luxembourg, Switzerland and Belgium)<br />
:::*3- German (language - Primarily Germany but also Austria, Belgium, Switzerland, and Liechtenstein)<br />
:::*4- Japan (country)<br />
:::*5- Russian Federation (Primarily Russia but also Azerbaijan to Ukraine)<br />
:::*6- Unassigned<br />
:::*7- China (country) (Taiwan uses the 957- and 986- prefixes. Hong Kong uses 962- and 988-)<br />
:::*After 7 we get into two to five digit group prefixes.<br />
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:::*Group codes 0 to 7 are one digit leaving eight digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 80 to 94 are two digits leaving seven digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 950 to 993 are three digits leaving six digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 9940 to 9989 are four digits leaving five digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 99900 to 99999 are five digits leaving four digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
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::::Mike - After I shut down last night I realized I should have said that a publication being in a particular language or country group is no guarantee that the publication is printed in that language. For example, I have several English language publications printed in Japan that have "4" series ISBNs and am sure that most foreign language books printed in the USA/UK/Canada are using the 0 or 1 prefix. Thus all we can say about that copy of Earthsea with a "5" prefix is that if the ISBN is accurate that the book was probably printed in one of the Russian states. A Google search for the ISBN only came up with English language pages implying that if it's a valid ISBN that the book is printed in English. It could also be bogus data being replicated from site to site. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 17:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::The big Z39.50 search engine at http://www.sigla.ru (click on the tiny Union Jack in the corner to get the English language version of the interface and keep in mind that some functionality is appararently only supported under IE) returns zero hits on 5-552-89816-8. Since the engine is based in Russia and has a good coverage of Russian libraries, it's comewhat unlikely that none of them have this edition, but stranger things have been known to happen. On the other hand, it looks like this particular Pub record comes from Amazon.com and is supposedly a "Spectra" book. I am willing to bet dollars (rubles?) to donuts that Amazon.com screwed up and the ISBN should have been our old friend "0-553-26250-5" -- see http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7653 [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::Hmmm. So you think we should just delete it? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:00, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::Well, what are the chances that any book published in the USSR (note the 1991 date) was priced in dollars? :) It's just another bogus Amazon.com ISBN; unfortunately, there are thousands of them and many have migrated to the ISFDB. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:20, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::::You convinced me; it's gone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:23, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm catching up on random things. Deleting seems fine - I had stared at the ISBN for a bit trying to see if it was a transposition error, someone who shifted a column or row while keying, etc. and did not see anything where I could say "this looks like that ISBN over there." Maybe the verification logic should check to see if an ISBN is in Amazon and refuse to accept any publications that that match Amazon's data? :-) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:54, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Where was the thread about vt display?==<br />
Hi Mike - I'm trying to find the thread, and I'm not sure if its one you or I started, about when there is just one VT that it can be confusing and when there's more than one it looks good. I just added a couple of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?John%20W.%20Campbell,%20Jr. John W. Campbell] books and used VT to get them linked to John W. Campbell, Jr.'s page. At first the bibliography looked pretty terrible as it showed <br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965) [as by John W. Campbell ]<br />
and it was not clear the title was available under both Campbell and Campbell, Jr. I did a hack in that from ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1528 The Mightiest Machine]'' Campbell, Jr. I used "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" to make a new title called ''The Mightiest Machine'' by Campbell, Jr. Now there more than one VT record and the display looks like<br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1972) [as by John W. Campbell ] <br />
The first one is not really a "Variant Title" but it seems clearer that the story was published using both "John W. Campbell, Jr." and "John W. Campbell."<br />
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I wanted to add this to the original thread for comment but now I can't find it. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 18:52, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I had an outstanding action to make that thread into a feature request, which I've now done at [[Feature:90115 Enhance vt display to show both canonical name and pseudonym]]. For the moment I've just redirected the feature link to the original edit-bug link. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 06:40, 25 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Oops!==<br />
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Oops! Sorry, Mike, I have accidentally approved one of your changes instead of mine. It looked like a simple correction of the "first name - last name" order in an author's legal name, so hopefully no harm done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:05, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:No problem, I realized what had happened. Good thing I wasn't testing an Author Merge submit of Le Guin and Asimov! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:09, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::My thoughts exactly :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:38, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:"The Moon Maker" by A. Train ==<br />
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Mike- There is also a second author "Robert W. Wood" but when i used the add author button no 2nd author box turned up, so i entered what i could. also the book lists seven other books on the dust jacket as available from publisher or bookstore, none are in your DB. Should i enter them with cautionary note about there source? They list then as SF & Fantasy.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:15, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Danke! ==<br />
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Just a quick note to say thanks for the tips and info about merging records. Gracias.<br />
-- Mike Arnzen<br />
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== The Land of Laughs ==<br />
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Yes, it was a slip of the mouse. The merged title should be "The Land of Laughs".<br />
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Sorry it took a while to reply, I kept checking my user page but didn't realise I wasn't actually logged in.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:23, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Cover design/Illustrator ==<br />
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Mike, the cover illustrator is listed as an artist, but what about the cover designers? Should they be listed as artists or separately in the notes?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:29, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think the best solution here is to list them in the notes. Marc suggested using an INTERIORART record with a location of "cv" for "cover"; that works too. I use the notes myself. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:48, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moorcock/DAW question ==<br />
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Marc, can you answer a DAW question for me? I was about to enter Moorcock's "Warriors of Mars" and "Barbarians of Mars", which I have in the Compact pb editions from 1965. The title listings, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 here] each show a DAW edition dated 1965. This is obviously nonsense, but I was wondering if there were any DAW editions at all that you know of. If not, I'll overwrite these with the Compact data; if so, I'll leave them and change the dates to unknown. Thanks -- [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:07, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:* http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 Barbarians of Mars] - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:--[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 16:28, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Messiah at the End of Time ==<br />
Mike - please take a look at [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Messiah_at_the_End_of_Time]] --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 1 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Front cover images ==<br />
Thanks, I should be more careful with paste & copy :-) [[User:A.kesrith|A.kesrith]] 11:04, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moving misidentified titles ie:Novels to Collections. ==<br />
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Mike, this may have an obvious answer but if i want to move a title from novel to coll. or the other way, is there an easy way? Also moving title or titles from novel to serial & the other way? Example Schroeder's Permanence is a stand alone novel but Lady of Mazes should be in Ventus? series.Lady is a loose prequel to Ventus, per conversation with the author.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:49, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Changing the type of a title requires at least one step; one for the title, and then one for each publication that needs to be changed. First display the title, then choose "Edit Title Data" and change the pulldown data type to be whatever it should be. When that's approved, display the title again and look at each publication to see if it has the right type; you can display and edit each in turn to change it to suit. Remember that not every publication may need to be changed -- if the novel has appeared in an OMNIBUS, for example, the OMNIBUS doesn't get a NOVEL type.<br />
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:Re your second question: I assume you mean "series", not "serial"; ISFDB uses the latter term to refer to serialization in a magazine. The way to change series data is covered in [[Help:How to work with series]]. Briefly, what you do is go to the title page -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22286 here] is the title page for Permanence -- and choose "Edit Title Data". You'll see a "Series" field and a "Series Num" field; these should be blanked out to make the title a standalone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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==dos-a-dos collections==<br />
Mike = please take a look at this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BTWNTWWRLD1997 publication] and see if how I handled the pagination works for you. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:16, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:That's a pretty neat way to do it. I certainly don't like the alternative, which comes out like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 this]. I don't like hacking fields to make them do something different, but there are very few dos-a-dos collections and anthologies, so I think this is fine as a workaround. You might post a note to Al or at the CP to see if anyone can think of a reason not to do this. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:28, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::ok - I may propose it as a standard where instead of author names we use "A" and "B" with a note to explain which side is which. The reason is the page # field is 8 characters long. I knew that going in and was happy that both Carr and Shaw are short names. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:30, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oops - I just did a test where I changed one of the page #s from Shaw-35 to Shaw-3 and it did not sort up. The logic must look at the page # field and if it's not obviously a number to not sort the record meaning the entire list is not sorted at the moment but instead we are looking at the MySql record order. Well, back to the drawing board on that one. I thought about creating two standalone publications for the collections and making the dos-a-dos an omnibus. I'd need to add notes explaining that the publications are placeholders and that it's 1/2 of a dos-a-dos. If I want to get sneaky I make both of the collection titles variant titles of each other and they will vanish from the author bibliograpies leaving just the dos-a-dos... <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:46, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Variant help question==<br />
Mike, at [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant#Marking_a_title_record_so_that_it.27s_a_variant_title_of.2C_or_a_pseudonym_for.2C_a_title_that_does_not_exist_yet_in_ISFDB]] is the sentence "In this case it is generally best to make the canonical form of that title the one with the pseudonym." It's the second sentence of the second paragraph and is throwing me for a spin cycle. I believe the first sentence states there is no canonical form yet and so I'm not sure what you were trying to add to the explanation with the second sentence. TIA. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:28, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
:Marc, sorry for the delay on replying on this. That text dates from before I understood how canonical forms controlled bibliographic displays. What I meant was that if, for example, Asimov wrote a story called "Obscure Story" as by "Fred Bloggs", and it had never been published as by Isaac Asimov, then the canonical form would be "Obscure Story" by "Fred Bloggs". My assumption now is that we want every title by author X to use the canonical form of author X in the canonical title. In the example, that would be "Obscure Story" by "Isaac Asimov" and there would be a variant for the version with the pseudonym. I've changed the text in the help to correspond to this but let me know if you think this is not correct. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:28, 10 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:Betancourt/Dawn of Amber series ==<br />
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Mike , i entered a new series title for two books and ended up with two series with a book each. they should be under one series title only. Did i miss a step somewhere? Also with regards to SFBC is it okay to use the codes on the back page for dating books, or list them as 0000-00-00 and put a mention in notes about the code? Like Foster's Midworld L25 p.178 translates into 1981-06-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:48, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Re the series: can you tell me the titles you were working on? From what you say, it should have worked; the only requirement is that the series name matches. For the SFBC, I would use the codes to date books but add a note explaining the source, as not everyone will understand this -- I wouldn't know how to do this myself, for example, though I know that the book clubs have periodically used codes that are traceable to dates. If you can find a reference to a date in another source, such as Locus1, which is pretty good about dating SFBC editions, there's no need to add the confirming note in that case as your verification against the Locus1 source will show where you got the data.<br />
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:Would you consider posting a note to the community portal about the translation of the codes? It would be useful to others; no doubt some people know about it, but not everyone. We might add a note about it to the helptext for the date field. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:58, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:John Gregory Betancourt - Series-Roger Zelazny's the Dawn of Amber.Have a look at www.bookthink.com/0005/05sfb.htm (Collecting the SFBC)they have a good overview and table.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:50, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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Marc, you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSX0000 this pub] of "A Wizard of Earthsea". I noticed you didn't add the "About the Author" and "About the Illustrator" sections -- can you check and see if they're there? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:28, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi Mike - Yes, they are there on an un-numbered page that's just after page 183. I added these to the publication. There is also an exerpt/blurb at the very front of the book just after the cover titled '''The Great Spell'''. The first and last lines are<br />
:* The words of the enchantment hissed and mumbled on Ged's lips, and then he cried out aloud and clearly, "Elfarran!"<br />
:* ... breach clambered something like a clot of black shadow, quick and hideous, and it leaped straight out at Ged's face.<br />
:Google finds the text in the middle of http://www.isibrno.cz/~jakl/genesis/index.php?Thera/book_3.html though the text in the book has been edited down with strategic dot-dot-dots. I don't even know what to call this and thus am not sure if it's in or out per [[Help:Screen:NewPub#What_to_include]]. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 14:08, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Time Dweller ==<br />
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First, I'm back up and running again now (with my MTU tweaked from 1500 to 1458). So hopefully it'll be permanent this time.<br />
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As for the Time Dweller, I did miss this one, but had listed a few others I wanted to go back and look at. I assume I just need to add a new title to the publication, remove the old one from the publication, and make the new record a varient of the original one.<br />
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Your mention of the comic strip in My Experiences in the Third War also reminds me of the ones in New Nature of the Catastrophe (which also contains a music score). I put them all as interior art, but could change them to fiction. Comic Strip might be a sensible option to have, there's also one in Mieville's Looking for Jake. I suppose they could be entered as a short story against the author, with interior art set to the artist. <br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:54, 12 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Cornelius price checks ==<br />
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I'm looking at some Moorcock books you've already verified so thought I'd double check before I go adding duplicates. <br />
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I changed the price of The Final Programme, Quartet 1976 from 75p to 70p.<br />
I've got a copy of The English Assassin Fontana/Collins which only lists the 1979 date but is priced at £1.50<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 17:29, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi -- on The Final Programme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFNLPRGRM1976 this] is the one I verified -- did you mean a different title? My one is definitely 40p, but it's a Mayflower.<br />
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:My "English Assassin" does seem to be the 1979 date. The copyright page says "First published in Great Britain by Alison and Busby Ltd 1972. This revised edition first published by Fontana Paperbacks 1979. Copyright Michael Moorcock 1972." The cover is green and black, with white and yellow lettering; it shows what seems to be a bowl of some sort covered by green cloth. It says "Cover illustration by Bill Sanderson" on the back. Pricing is "U.K. £1.00; Australia $3.50; New Zealand $3.75; Canada $3.50". Does that sound like your copy? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:02, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: Sorry I meant A Cure for Cancer for the Quartet edition. <br />
::I've definitely got £1.50 on the back of The English Assassin, with a black block underneath and then the other prices are the same. Exact same text on copyright page. It must have been an undated stealth reprint. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 01:22, 23 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::I agree -- your "English Assassin" must be a reprint; that black box is a giveaway.<br />
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:::For "A Cure for Cancer" I think we are also looking at a stealth reprint; presumably mine this time, since my copy definitely says 75p. Here's the copyright page text: "Published by Quartet Books 1976 . . . Copyright (C) 1971 by Michael Moorcock. ISBN 0 704 31". The ISBN really is chopped like that. The back cover says "SCIENCE FICTION/ISBN 0 704 31256 5" then U.K. 75p; Australia $2.45; New Zealand $2.30 Canada $2.25". The title page says "Quartet Books", but the logo on the front and spine is the Futura logo, with "Futura" on the front next to the logo. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:42, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::I think these should be sorted out now, though the ordering is unfortunate. I realised I couldn't re-verify one you'd already done so have put yours back to 75p and created a clone for the 70p version. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 19:18, 19 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Other Days, Other Eyes==<br />
Hi Mike - Can you check your Pan edition of ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and see if there is any evidence of<br />
* Mar 1974 publication date - you verified 1974.<br />
* Cover by Mark Harrison - you did not credit anyone<br />
* Is there a note about "First British Paperback Publication?"<br />
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What happened was I did not realize there were two title records for ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and via scanning Amazon/AbeBooks constructed publication records for all of the editions I could find. When I was done I saw the other title record and merged them. My constructed record lists the extra details but I have no idea how the sellers came up with them. Also, does your cover have the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/772788165.jpg lady with the glasses] or the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/171644290.jpg lady in the window]? <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 22:07, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Can't see any evidence of March; it just says "First published 1972 by Victor Gollancz Ltd. This edition published 1974 by Pan Books Ltd" on the copyright page. The cover is the lady with the glasses; no credits for the cover that I can see anywhere. Googling Harrison finds some evidence he's a cover artist so I think this is probably not by him -- the lady in the window is art but the lady in the glasses is a photo. There's no note about "first British paperback publication" anywhere. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:55, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Dancing at the Edge of the World==<br />
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Mike, I see that you verified the Grove Press hardcover edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DNCGEW1989 Dancing at the Edge of the World] with a date of 1990-00-00. My copy, which is otherwise identical in terms of the data shown, anyway, has a date of 1989; is your copy a later printing by chance? Since it's verified, I didn't want to just change it, and I'm wondering if I should enter my copy as a new edition.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 15:36, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I'll check; I am only going to be home about a day between Singapore (where I am now) and Colorado (where I'm going skiing 10-17 March), so if I don't get to it at the end of this week it will be another week or two. By the way, has "Brave New Words" started shipping yet? I checked Amazon and it still shows pre-order status. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:09, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Have fun skiing! I haven't seen any copies yet, so I'm not sure what the status is. My editor stopped working for the press a couple months ago, so my flow of information has also been somewhat disrupted.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 22:14, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: You have not been to the Singapore markets yet to get a bootleg "Brave New Words"? :-) {{Marc Kupper}} 02:21, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958 ==<br />
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Mike, there is what appears to be a duplicate Silverberg article in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INFNTJAN58 Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958]. Jan has submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_remove.cgi?394321 "Title Removal" request], which I then put on hold. Since you did most (if not all) of the work on ''Infinity'' earlier this year, it would probably be best if you could take a look at the issue when you get back. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:40, 8 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
:I'm back from Singapore; off to Colorado tomorrow. Yes, approve it; it's debris from an earlier incomplete clean-up. As I recall, another editor created this using the EDITOR type, so when I followed up I added the ESSAY and then realized the error. Don't know why I missed deleting it, but it can go now. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:40, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
::Done, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:34, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Imagination - wrong year ==<br />
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Should be April 1951 Beyond the Fearful Forest cover --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 16:36, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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Thanks. The pages in my woeful copy were loose from the spine so there could be some other explanation. I'm going to try to track down another copy for my own personal collection before I make such a notation. --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 19:59, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Reference book adoption ==<br />
It's yours, Mike, and there's no charge. Just give me a snail-mail address and I'll send it. ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 13:02, 10 Mar 2007 (CST))<br />
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:Thanks! It's 2511 Great Oaks Parkway, Austin, TX 78756. I appreciate it -- I've been meaning to buy that book for about twenty years now. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:13, 18 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Shipped out today via media mail, so you can expect it in 7-10 days. Enjoy! ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 16:39, 21 Mar 2007 (CDT))<br />
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==Dissolute Diplomat==<br />
Mike, can you check your copy of "Dark Night in Toyland" and see if "Walt Willis" is credited on "Dissolute Diplomat"? My paperback doesn't, which seems strange: British pubs usually stay quite consistent between hc and pb editions. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:00, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:No credit to Willis at all. I checked copyright statement, title page, ToC, and story heading. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 14:19, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Cheers: I finally got around to making the edits, let me know if anything looks wrong. Or if you just wanted the variant the other way round. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 15:55, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Omni or Coll.? ==<br />
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Mike I have a Jules Verne novel(1958) "From the Earth to the Moon -and A Trip Around It(Round the Moon) described as "Modernized Abridgment". From Earth.. is 80 pages and A Trip... is 125 pages. What do you think would be the right classification?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:20, 27 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think I'd call it a novel, still, but I'd put a note on the publication explaining the situation. Using alternative titles (e.g. "<title> (abridged)" has been discussed, but that brings other problems. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:34, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Brin1==<br />
Just a heads-up that you may want to be even more careful with Brin1's edits: I suspect he's constructing publications from reviews, or something equally strange. :-(<br />
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The one that caught my eye was "Judge Dredd: Wetworks" - the publication title is debatable as to whether the "Judge Dredd" is part of the title, but the author is definitely "Dave Stone" rather than "David Stone". (I used to know him quite well, I even used to stay at his house when I was dating one of his house-mates: he's definitely not the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?David%20Stone older David Stone] that we have as a cover-artist that Brin1's edit ended up with.) I've put the title and author back to the correct ones (Brin1's edit at least gave us a pub with a different price) but to keep the review link I've also edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BNDFNTSSCB1995 this magazine] - that may not be correct, but we'd need another "David Stone" even if that's the way it's printed in the magazine. :-/<br />
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I'm not sure if Brin1 has any more surprises up his sleeve, but he's not responding to his talk-page so all it seems I can do is warn the reviewers. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:27, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:OK, thanks for the note. I know I'm not the most thorough moderator we have, so reminders to be extra careful are worth it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:23, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I sure wish there was a way to pop-up a message as I just held few more Brin1 but if s/he is not reading the talk I'm not sure how useful it is to add more notes. Overall, I believe many of the brin1 edits are good and in fact just approved one where I did a double-take as it was a book I have and s/he added a note very much like one I would have added. I had to go look and see if s/he was adding a duplicate pub but it turned out I had not added the book to ISFDB yet. {{Marc Kupper}} 13:58, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::I have been thinking about requiring an e-mail address at account creation time, but then again, it may scare away potential casual contributors, e.g. published authors... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:42, 4 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::::The DB side of things could check for "new messages" and link to the user's talk page. {{Marc Kupper}} 11:35, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Amazing-The Rain of Fish ==<br />
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Mike The essay is included in the contents page but is nowhere in the magazine. My original edit did not include it. Did you read my question about the omni or coll. If a novel has been abriged(severly) is it still a novel or short story?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:26, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think the best thing to do is to put in a note as you have done, but not to add the content record, as the entry does not actually exist. If you agree I'll reject the submission; or if you prefer I can accept it and do a remove-title on the added record. Otherwise let me know how else we might approach this one. Sorry about the slow reply on the other question; I've answered above -- hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:36, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: I thought it best to include what was in the contents page, because the essay maybe referenced somewhere else and if someone was looking for it they would find the note about it not being in the magazine. Although if you think its best than delete the submission. On the other question i'll treat them as novels and enter it as an omni, but not tonight have to go to london tomorrow, will be gone for a couple of days.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:00, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden ==<br />
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Mike, you verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THVSNRWNDR1984 The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden: Audubon's Early Years] by Le Guin and Sanders back in December. Would you say that, at 79 pages, Sanders's piece is a novella (as Locus describes it)? And do we want to change "Authors: uncredited" to Le Guin and Sanders? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:49, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Aargh. I hate estimating lengths. I'll do a rough word count on a page, and multiply, and see what I get. Re "uncredited": this format was based on an approach discussed on the CP, though I don't think there was a consensus. The idea was that a dos-a-dos book should be done as an anonymous omnibus, since placing authors at the pub level implied collaboration. The contents then get appropriate attribution at the title level. The discussion was really about Ace doubles, but of course it applies here too (these are dos-a-dos). So if you want to change them, that's fine, but I'm not sure it's worth it till we get a consensus on the definitive approach to doubles. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:00, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification! I do remember the dos-a-dos discussion, alhtough it occurred while I was mostly busy elsewhere, so I may not have done it justice. Personally, I am inclined to enter dos-a-dos Authors at the Publication level as well since I tend to think of "uncredited" as something that we would want to use exclusively for anonymous authors and editors. However, it's not a huge deal and I can certainly wait until we sort it all out. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:51, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Well, I don't think that others are necessarily entering dos-a-dos works in the same way. Personally I think the right answer is a change in the software to permit special handling for this kind of book, but that will have to wait. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:19, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Aldiss/Starswarm ==<br />
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Mike, can you check and see if your copy has "Sector Grey" spelled with an "e" or "a" my copy is spelled "Gray" if yours is "e" than mine is a variant, thanks. I see my Rain of Fish is still on hold(to keep or not to keep that is the question?):-)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:46, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Always Coming Home ==<br />
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Do you think this should be classified as a collection? Some of the stories/songs appeared in other works but as there are so many publications it'll be a pain to add all of the stories to each one.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHMR1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon and am pretty sure it matches your edition as I have a copy.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWYSCH1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon but am unsure if it matches your edition.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHML1986}} which you also verified - You have the ISBN as 0-575-038555-1 but that's one digit too long though ISFDB does not complain about it. I guess the only clue is the header is "Catalog ID:" and not "ISBN." I believe the ISBN should be 0-575-03855-1 as in {{amazon|0575038551}} and {{amazon.co.uk|0575038551}} and so updated the publication record.<br />
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{{Marc Kupper}} 19:08, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think of it as a novel; a reverse fixup, if you like -- bits are easily publishable elsewhere. Yes, both images are right; and I rechecked the ISBN and you are correct on the fix -- good catch. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:47, 19 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Mankind Under the Leash, Thomas M. Disch ==<br />
Mike, you verified the first Ace [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?PLNTXLE1966 publication] of this title, but did so showing the author(s) as "Uncredited." Did you mean that about the cover artist or the writer(s)? I was scanning an eBay auction today, and saw a copy with Disch's name on the cover... ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 21:04, 27 May 2007 (CDT))<br />
:Hi, Scott -- it's uncredited because of the approach I was taking at the time, which is that an Ace double is an omnibus with an anonymous editor. The individual books get credited to the authors, but the overall title is not credited to either.<br />
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:The alternative is to credit the book to both, which just seems ugly to me. I think that the right answer, long-term, is to have special display logic for anonymous omnibuses or dos-a-dos books. For now, deal with it however you think best -- we never reached a consensus to use this approach, though there was no agreement on any other representation of dos-a-dos books either. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 13:58, 29 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: I personally credit both authors though know the [[Template:PublicationFields:Author|help]] says to state it as "N/A" though {{a|n/a}} shows that that only one person read and followed that bit of help implying the help page should be updated to drop the reference to "N/A" but I'm not sure if people-consensus is that they use "uncredited" or state the author names. {{Marc Kupper}} 15:00, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Welcome back ==<br />
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Mike, I see you must have had more than two consecutive minutes for ISFDB recently and so figured I'd welcome you back and may even send you some DAW verifications to look into though not until the weekend. {{Marc Kupper}} 14:46, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: Yes, welcome back! I know I've added some DAW stuff recently (from Josh Kirby cover-art references mostly, I think, and all the pages they led me to) so there is probably work to be done fixing up my and/or my publications errors. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:04, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Page numbers for artwork ==<br />
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I want to modify the help on interiorart so it explicity states what was relayed to me by Ahasuerus, namely, "Listing the first page on which a piece of art appears". The magazine used as an example is the December 1956 issue of '''Infinity'''. The first piece of artwork for the Lesser story is actually on page nine although the database entry lists it as page five. Since it is also acceptable (though not mandatory) to print the page number for each piece of art (and help should reflect this more explicitly) it seems like the actual page number where the art appears should used. Clarification?--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 11:14, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think there has been some debate on where to enter the artwork page number. If I recall correctly, I was arguing for making the page number the same as that of the story. The reason was that I thought it was likely we would not enter every single illo for a story; we would only record the fact that story X was illustrated by author Y. In that case, the page number couldn't in general reflect the page number of the artwork, so it seemed sensible to use the page number on which the story started.<br />
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:I don't think we ever got complete consensus on it, but we did agree that ''if'' you're entering every illo, you obviously do put the artwork in with page numbers referring to each illo in turn. The problem with that approach, for me, was that there were no titles for the illos; it didn't really seem to me that the multiple illos were separate delivered artefacts, any more than we index the chapters in a novel separately. But there was no consensus, so I suggest you do something consistent and reasonable and document it in the help. Does that make sense? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:55, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I am going to change it to say that the first page where artwork is found should be used. Al and Ahasuerus intended this. It will save editing time if an eventual consensus is reached that all pages should be entered, which is what Al would like to do. Artists like Virgil Finlay and Hannes Bok take my breath away every time I come across a piece of their work; I consider each piece they do a seperate masterpiece.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 08:13, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::: I haven't been entering every illustration, but may eventually: as usual Marc keeps raising the bar. I notice that even he doesn't enter it all as Interiorart though, e.g. see what he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WHNTHGRNST0000 did here]. The titles are ''paraphrases'' of text in the main novel. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 12:43, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: There ya go - makin'un 'ple of me 'gin. :-) The publication I entered should be viewed as an exception rather than as a "standard" on how to treat illustrations. In that case I entered the illustrations as the publication was unusual in several ways. 1) It has a list of illustrations page. 2) DAW books rarely have interior art. 3) The drawings are cool. I started to the enter the illustrations in the ISFDB contents but then realized they were titled using paraphrased text and did not have actual titles and so went with the publication notes.<br />
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:::: FWIW - I don't have a strong opinion on if and how illustrations should be entered. In one case I carefully described the illustrations for a Ursula Le Guin book, including the little dohickies at the start of each chapter and top of each page as the story had been reprinted by several publishers and I wanted other editors to be able to title-merge illustration credits if possible or if they cloned the publication to know if they should delete the illustrator credit. Usually though I just note the artist's name and either no page #, the first page of a story if there is more than one illustration, or the page # of the illustration if there's just one. The primary goal is to acknowledge that the person did the work so that if someone wants to collect a particular illustrator's work they will know where to find it. {{Marc Kupper}} 22:07, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Change to verified pub Infinity, October 1956 ==<br />
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Changed Infinity's Choice from short story to essay because it is book review column.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 07:40, 26 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Runestaff ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added the cover-art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 your verified pub] if you'd like to check it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:15, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars ==<br />
Another heads-up that I added the price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123671 your edition] based on the review I found. Are the notes clear enough for your taste? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 07:28, 20 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson's After Doomsday ==<br />
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Mike, can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965 this verified edition] of Anderson's novel and see if the catalog number in the db is correct? Tuck shows the catalog number is 1798. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:25, 22 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Tuck's right; don't know why I made that mistake, but I'm glad you spotted it. I've fixed it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:19, 28 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I've added a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128141 cover image] --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 16:47, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie ==<br />
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Added a cover and artist update to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?STRPRNCCHR1976 Star Prince Charlie]. Does it match? [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 07:31, 9 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson, The Warriors From Nowhere ==<br />
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Copied from verification page.<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1980 Agent of the Terran Empire] Ace, 0-441-01066-0 it's The Warriors From Nowhere. In the other four publications of that title it's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?62695 Warriors from Nowhere]. Can someone with one of those pubs please check. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1977 Coronet] edition was verified by Mike Christie, I'll ask on his talk page also. Thats a British edition, so I'd still like to know about the other US editions. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 22:41, 13 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: Mike, I've added cover-art to that pub as I believe I have the identical edition. I'll respond to the verification request as well. However, I also corrected the "Honourable Enemies" entry back to the British spelling it actually has, so please double-check that too - I'm beginning to worry about US printings being overstamped for the UK market, although I've not seen that in Coronet yet. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 13:10, 14 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Home page protected ==<br />
Mike - your home page has turned into a target for OamTra. I protected it as it looks like the only people who normally edit it are moderators but did not add <nowiki>{{protected}}</nowiki>. Your user-talk page is still unprotected. {{Marc Kupper}} 23:50, 22 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added cover-art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 verified pub] and standardised the ISBN. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:38, 27 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
And cover-art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16086 this pub]. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:30, 9 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Merman's Children ==<br />
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I've added the cover art[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22013] plus a note about the printing.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:51, 11 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Caviar ==<br />
DGeiser13 added art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6458 verified pub], please check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 10:49, 13 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash ==<br />
I've added covers to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26239 Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash] if you'd like to check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 09:39, 28 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Butterfly Kid ==<br />
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I added cover art to your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36689 this novel]. As I have the same edition I can safely assume it has the same cover as yours. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:38, 7 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Sword and the Stallion ==<br />
Can you please check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSWRDNDTH1984 verified pub] - the Publisher and ISBN don't seem to match up. (Panther would normally be an 0586 prefix.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:29, 24 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== change to title in pub you verified ==<br />
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I'm changing an author's name in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?806309 this omnibus (Ace double)] from "Avaram Davidson" to "Avram Davidson". I think everything in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RCNNNSW1966 the pub itself], which is what you're listed as having verified, actually had it correctly. Please let me know if this is a problem. Thanks! -- [[User:Davecat|Dave (davecat)]] 16:07, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Mike is on an extended ISFDB vacation, so we may want to repost this request on the Verification board in case somebody has a copy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:44, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oh, I see that you have already posted on the Help Desk! Never mind then :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:53, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Could you please check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89769 this pub] you have verified; I would like to know if ''112 • Strictly Confidential • shortfiction'' was by Gordon Dickson or Gordon R. Dickson. Something wrong happened to the author's record and we are trying to recover the missing info. Thanks. I'm also posting this on the [[ISFDB:Verification_requests|Verification board]]. --[[User:Roglo|Roglo]] 15:16, 11 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== The Star Fox ==<br />
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I have uploaded an image for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117861 verified publication] plus added a couple of notes. {{Marc Kupper}} 04:49, 23 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== Note to the outside world ==<br />
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It would be great if we could co-ordinate our work with yours. I would be glad to re-prioritize some of the tasks I am likely to do if they are consistent with your goals. I think I have pretty much exhausted my collector's budget for a lifetime but I do have nearly all of the mags from the 50's and the major titles from the 60's. My collection is quite accessible so if I have a pub that is not in your collection feel to ask questions.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 21:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't think I'll have much need for you to reprioritize data entry -- I have good index references, as well as having a decent collection (if not as good as Ahasuerus's). If I do have a need to look at a 50s or 60s issue that I don't have, I'll definitely ask you. That could come up if I have a question about something that the indexes don't cover, such as circulation figures, in an issue I don't have. Thanks for the offer.<br />
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:One thing that the ISFDB doesn't do well, though the data is there, is to look at a magazine over a period of time. For example, in the bibliographic details for each magazine, I like to be able to list the changes in page count and size, and the use of different internal features like letters, or science articles. There's no easy way to do most of this in the ISFDB, though you can look up this information issue by issue. At least it's there. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Circulation figures ==<br />
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Mike Ashley's ''Gateways to Forever'' which covers the sf mags of the 70's also has tables in Appendix 5 which list magazine circulation figures for 1962 through 1980.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 15:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Outstanding! Thanks for letting me know; I have that book but hadn't noticed. Much appreciated! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::Just stopping by to say "Hi!" and point out that your signature link to the Talk page seems to be broken :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::A link to the page being displayed always shows as bold rather than a clickable link. That is a feature of the MediaWiki software. Look at any of my sigs on my talk page. [[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 17:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, very devious! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Fox versus H. Fox ==<br />
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I've taken the liberty of adjusting several of your verified pubs to reflect the cover-artist as I read the signature. There's an [[Bio:H._Fox|H. Fox]] that seems to have done many of the Badger Books and Magazines, but I don't think it's the same person as [[Bio:Fox|Fox (no "H"]]. If you've got a magnifying glass handy, and some spare time for ISFDB, can you please check to see if there's a little "H" under the "Fox" on your Badger covers? The "Fox" probably also has an underline coming off the "X". The most dubious edit I made was probably to {{P|BDGRSNS73|name=Supernatural Stories Number 73}} which has a slightly different signature to my eyes, see [http://www.peltorro.com/sn073.jpg here]. But I'm working from secondary sources so a good Primary re-check would be good. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date to verified ==<br />
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I added a printing date to your verified THE TOMBS OF ATUAN (THTMBSFTNS1980). from a later printing.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarians of Mars ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added the artist J. Cawthorn to your verified ''{{p|123151|name=Barbarians of Mars}}''. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 06:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Ground Zero Man ==<br />
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Added $AUS & $NZ prices to {{P|GRNDZM1971A}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG01136] . My copy matches yours except the copyright pages says "First Pocket Books printing December 1984". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 22:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Hi, Mike! Just did a Currey and Transient on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} and there is a signature on the bottom left corner of the cover (not Powers') but I can't quite make it out. Maybe you can recognize it?--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling-cover artist not Vaughn Andrews ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THTLLNG2000] . My copy matches your verification. This is the cover. [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DAS01XMPL.jpg] . In checking the backcover inner flap I found this in my copy. Jacket art (figures) copyright Hulton-Deutsch Collection / CORBIS (over) Jacket design by Vaughn Andrews. As I understand it, Andrews was not the cover artist. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 23:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Pan edition of Case and the Dreamer ==<br />
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Locus #199 (February 1977) gives a January 1977 publication for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CSNDTHDRMR1974 your verified edition] of this title. Does your copy show a publication date or the copyright date of 1974? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I own the same edition I believe (that's my cover, with the sticker damage). The copyright page only gives copyright date of 1974, no clear printing date. It's also erroneous in that it gives "Case and the Dreamer"'s original printing as Galaxy January 1972 rather than 1973. I'm happy to move this to 1977-01-00 if the rest of you are. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::That was one of the very first verifications and Mike hasn't been active here in over a year, so I think it's safe to correct the record and take over the verification. I believe that Mike is still active on Wikipedia, so if you want to be 110% sure, you can drop him a note there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barefoot in the Head ==<br />
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Added some prices and a note about no credited artist to your verified pub {{P|BRFTNTHHDQ1974}}. Mant of the verifiers have said they don't need to have a note if all I am adding is various prices. Please let me know your preferences. Thanks & cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 17:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THGHTMNTHR1975}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THMLCTPSTS1978}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Dialogue With Darkness ==<br />
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Added some notes to your verified pub {{P|DLGWDRK1985}} re: first printing, CDN ISBN shown as well, $C price. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie 2 ==<br />
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Massaged the notes of {{P|STRPRNCCHR1976}} as, with a small magnifying lens, the signature is quite legible. Not sure if all or part of the original notes were yours or DCarson's. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Do note that two sections of a talk page with the same title (e.g. "Star Prince Charlie") will misdirect those of us checking Recent Changes. It's always good to make the section name unique. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Wasn't aware of that! I haven't checked previous contents of a talk page before, but now I will. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Manifold: Origin ==<br />
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Added some notes to {{P|MNFLDRGN2003}} about first PB edition and printing; no artist; $c price and that there is an excerpt in the back. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile/ Mankind.... ==<br />
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Added the two interior artworks (both by Gaughan) to the contents of {{P|PLNTXLE1966}} with notes and some for cover statements, page counts, etc. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roccanon's World/Kar-chee Reign ==<br />
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One of the two interior art pieces (Kar-Chee half) has Gaughan's "JG" on it. {{P|RCNNNSW1966}} Amended the notes. Also added Wolheim's introduction to Rocannon's world to the contents. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mars Monopoly/The Man Who Lived Forever ==<br />
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Added cover images and some notes to {{P|TMNWLF1956}}. ~BIll, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Found Powers' signature on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} (''rmpowers'') on the bottom left corner of the front cover. Added that to the field and amended the notes. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added a cover to your verified {{p|7202|City of Illusions}}. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 03:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Four Ways to Forgiveness ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|FRWYSTFRG1995}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling [2]==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THTLLNG2000}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orphan Star-added cover image/notation ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPHNSTRGXG1977]. I added the cover image and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 01:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Flinx in Flux- added cover/notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG03465]. I added the cover as per my copy compared to your ver. I added notation and deleted map to change it to "The Blight"(space map)(Flinx in Flux). I took the titling from the upper left corner, which explains the extent under the title. Note the two current space empires appear below it. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Bloodhype-- added cvoer image/ notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLDHPBTQRR1978]. I added the cover image as per my copy's match of your ver and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Plus the note "Stated 3rd printing of March 1973 Del Rey edition." was expanded. Approved. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 21:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing Planes ==<br />
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Added notes and the interior illustrations to {{P|CHNGNGPLNS2003}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Eye of the Heron ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THYFTHHRN1983}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 pub] appears to be an amalgamation of two different pubs: the Wallaby trade paperback first edition and the Tor paperback edition, both of which are already in the database. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THLFTHNDFD1976 THLFTHNDFD1976]. Stumbled across it while looking for one for my later printing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Midworld ==<br />
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Added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDWRLDFFCD1976 MDWRLDFFCD1976] that matches my copy of the same 1st edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Content titles in Mission to Moulokin ==<br />
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Hi. I added my 1st printing ''Mission to Moulokin'' by cloning your {{P|MSSNTMLKNX1979}} 2nd printing entry. I noticed that the bare "About the Author" and "Map" content titles don't conform to the current practice of embedding the containing work title parenthetically. Of course, there's also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Titles_for_Maps_as_Content this discussion] about titling maps, but be that as it may.... I was thinking that while I noticed it I would change the title records. If I understand correctly, I would edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268211 About the Author] title and this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268201 Map] title. And then since I don't know how it all ties together, I'd go check the pubs with content using those titles and verify that the change was reflected in them. :-)<br />
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Do you agree, and, if so, is the above the right way to go about it? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul ==<br />
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I added coverart and some notes on your verified pub {{P|BKTG05433}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 17:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I added Wilson McLean as coverartist (credited on the copyrightpage). Thanks [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge ==<br />
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I added a cover image and notes to your verified pub {{P|THGLDNBRGF1979}}--[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 02:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions -- notes and interiorart ==<br />
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I added a Jack Gaughan INTERIORART credit and some notes to your verfied {{P|CTYLLSNS1967}} based on my copy of the same edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Other Wind ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|OTHRWND2001}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|WZRDFRTHSR0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Wind's Twelve Quarters ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|THWNDSTWLV0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to user rights ==<br />
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Just to let you know that there was a discussion of the best way to handle inactive moderators over on [[ISFDB talk:Policy]]. The executive summary of the discussion is that a moderator who hasn't been active for a over a year will have a hard time keeping up with all the policy and software changes that we have been going through. [[ISFDB:Policy]] has been updated accordingly and, since you haven't been active since mid-2007, I have turned your "moderator" flag off, so when you come back, you won't be able to approve submissions. No need to panic, though :) as we have a list of [[Moderator Qualifications]] and you can reclaim the ability to approve submissions once you go through the process. Hope to see you again when you have time for the ISFDB! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in the Far Future / Tales of Outer Space (Ace Double D-73) ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|ADVFFTOS1954}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|BFFLGLSNDT1990}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's Always Coming Home ==<br />
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Are you certain about the date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LWYSCH1985 this pb edition] of the title? That is very close to the hardcover edition, and before the UK edition. There is a record almost identical dated January 1987. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 17:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars [2]==<br />
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Added cover images to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WRRRSFMRSL1965 this]] and the other two Compact pub records. The price is clear in the image if you want to adjust the notes. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Sundered Worlds ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDRDWRL1965]]--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, October 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover photo to your verified pub: {{P|FANTUNIVOCT1956}} -- [[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 09:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - August 1958 - Cover ==<br />
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I Added a cover image to you pub {{P|FANTUNIVAUG1958}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - Cover Photos ==<br />
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I added covers to your verified pubs: {{P|FANTUNIVAUGSEP1953}} {{P|FANTUNIVJUL1954}} {{P|FANTUNIVJAN1959}} --[[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 18:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Touch of Strange'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/ciu/5d/ac/9b54012912a0480bb0702210.L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|TCHFSTRNGZ1978|A Touch of Strange}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash - Publication Month ==<br />
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I identified the month of publication for {{P|PLNTXLE1966|Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash}} as October based on the information in the third printing of {{P|PLNTFXLNJZ1973|Planet of Exile}}. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 04:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape - replaced cover image ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37543]. I matched your ver and found the image url broken. I replaced it matching my copy. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?EPLBSU1956] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyond Fantasy Fiction #9 -- Queen's Mate questions ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|BEYONDF91954|Beyond Fantasy Fiction, # 9 1954}} is a Jean M. Janis shortstory, {{T|81609|Queen's Mate}}, and on the same page an inteview by Ashman, also titled {{T|236851|Queen's Mate}}. Is this correct, and, if so, what author is the subject of the interview, Janis? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Never mind. I found a scan and know it should be INTERIORART instead of INTERVIEW. I will submit a change. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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I added a cover image to your verified pub {{P|BKTG01136}}. I also changed the publication date from 11/84 to 12/84 as is listed on the copyright page. If you have additional information that indicates the earlier publication, let me know and I'll change it back. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 01:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added the roman numberd pages and the introductory essays to your verified pub {{P|THBRKNSWRD1971}}. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 04:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THWRDFRWRL1976] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ace Double D-162 [2]==<br />
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Added artist credits for both covers courtesy of the ACE Image Library to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== U. F. O. 517 ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:FWSSZLBBFG1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== What Entropy Means to Me ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WHTNTRPMNS0000.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89801 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 12:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:CCHLTFMVBL1980.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Medusa's Children - added cover image/start page number ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDSCHL1980]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LUIB9NV8L.jpg], and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 12:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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Added a cover image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Catalog ID ==<br />
I've uniformated this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFCFXVTGJ1960 CatalogID]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== M. D'Antona ==<br />
The cover of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLCKBSSXBN1960 publication] is not credited, but the artist is M. D'Antona: see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RMNZDRNNCG1959 Urania #213]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:06, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Badger Books ==<br />
I've modified for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSTRNGNSP1963 publication] the publisher in '''Badger''' to make uniform the publisher.--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 07:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified the title of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105991 publication] as ''Out of This World: Supernatural Stories, No. 15'' and added a cover--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106001 SN38]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106151 SN46]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THGLDNCHLC1961 SN50]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 19:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106171 SN60]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month and cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106181 SN66]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 13:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106191 SN70]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106201 SN73]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106231 SN98]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 22:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, artist at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106241 SN102]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BDGRSNS105 SN105]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Volteface'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YD0OLhh-L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|VLTFCXZQJV1977|Volteface}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Bull and the Spear ==<br />
I added the cover artist to your verified pub {{P|THBLLNDTHS1975}} after having verified it at [http://www.multiverse.org/imagehive/v/bookcovers/books/mikebooks/tbats/ this] site. I noted my source and added the non UK pricing while I was in there. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Fireclown ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THFRCLWNHQ1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122431 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Searoad ==<br />
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Added an image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SEARD1991 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 02:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rainbow Abyss ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|1314781|The Rainbow Abyss}}. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 08:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Equator ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?QTRNDSGRGT1973 Equator] but the copyright page of my book states "first nel paperback edition june 1973" and below "Reprinted june 1973", two printing for the same month ? Do you think I must create a new publication ? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Helliconia spring ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HLLCNSPRNC1983 Equator] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Report on probability A ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPRTNPRBBL1973 Report on probability A] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The corridors of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCRRDRSFT1975] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mirkheim ==<br />
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I also have a 1986 version of this book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MRKHMWJPVD1986 here] but the price is £ 2.50 and it is stated "reprinted 1983,1986 (twice)" on copyright page, which suggests a fourth printing overall. Can you verify your copy so that i can eventually add this printing. BTW, the artist if Peter Elson (see PE on the ship bottom left). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== No world of their own ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NOWORLD1962 here] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== For Love of Mother-Not ==<br />
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Added cover for {{P|14161|For Love of Mother-Not}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 04:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of Time - artist added/confirmed/notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]. I added Bruce Pennington as artist after confirmation in "Ultraterranium" by Bruce Penningtion, page 20. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Dec 1959 - added cover/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVDEC1959]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LI6PZ39BL.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Mar 60 - added cover image/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVMAR1960]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515BPYUeu5L.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two", page 68. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Incorporated Knight ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|107861|The Incorporated Knight}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 19:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THBRKNSWRD1971 The Broken Sword] to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?26 Ballantine Adult Fantasy] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:23, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LFTHNDDRKNSS1969 The Left Hand of Darkness]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDRTHS1970 A Wizard of Earthsea]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 One Million Tomorrows]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1 Ace Double] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 04:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I added an interior art credit for Tschirky to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WTS1948 verified pub]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== cover for ''Gloriana'' ==<br />
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[[User:Dsorgen|Dsorgen]] has added a cover to your verified {{P|128191|Gloriana}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:31, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Norton Book of Science Fiction: North American Science Fiction, 1960-1990 ==<br />
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Add a cover image and a note on the printing line to {{P|NRTNBKSF19XX|your verified pub}}. Thanks. --[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 14:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Note on "Eye of the Heron" ==<br />
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I added a note to your verified pub {{P|THYFTHHRN1983|Eye of the Heron}} that the artist's signature is on the front cover. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals, by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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The anthology [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39287 Buffalo Gals] has 5 different verified editions. Three of those include a content listing for "Come Into Animal Presence", poem by Denise Levertov, on p. 14. Two publications, including [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BFFLGLSNDT1990 your verified] edition does not include that content listing. Could you check your copy to see if that belongs in there? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's there; page 14. Sorry I missed it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I think the original TOC must have been pulled from Locus (or somewhere), and they missed it, since three versions (2 verified and 1 unverified) had that item omitted. I've added that poem to this collection, and the other two have been updated similarly. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover for Tehanu ==<br />
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[[User:Bgibbard|Bgibbard]] has added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/2/21/THLSTB1990.jpg this cover] to your verified {{P|1530114|Tehanu}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka! ==<br />
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There appears to be two records for the same pub, and they've been verified by two different editors. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 Yours] is dated 1983, and I'm pretty sure the mass-market edition wasn't published until 1984. It also gives the publisher as Wallaby, who only published the trade paperback edition. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKA1985 other verified record] has the same ISBN, price and page count as the record you verified. Can you check them out when you get a chance? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow on Heaven ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128501 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Tales from Earthsea'' ==<br />
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I've added a cover image, from Amazon, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34251 verified copy] of this edition. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Among Out Contributors" ==<br />
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Hi, I assume this should be "Our" instead of "Out" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?224941 here] [[User:Jonschaper|Jonschaper]] 01:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Virgin Planet (Mayflower-Dell 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I've found a scan saying the price is 3/6 on [http://www.sfreviews.com/displays/Poul%20Anderson_1959_Virgin%20Planet.htm SF Reviews].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I added the price and the scan I used for the price. You remark in the note field coul;d therefore be dropped.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compass Rose'', by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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In keeping with what has become the current standard, I've updated the page count in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 verified copy] of this publication from "271" to "xii+271". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== More than Human ==<br />
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Hi, I've made {{P|94731|More than Human}} part of the ''Corgi SF Collector's Library'' series. I also added the ISBN number.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Treshold ==<br />
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Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|101341|Treshold (Panther, 1982)}} into Panther / Granada on account of the name Granada being the sole publisher named on the cover (to be more exact: on the spine) and also being named on the title page (as was already stated in the notes). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:15, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a coverscan and notes (there weren't any) for {{P|112391|Enemies of the System (Triad Panther, 1980)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:And he also added a cover scan and note to your verified {{P|112491|Last Orders}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I've also changed the complete title to "Enemies of the System: A Tale of Homo Uniformis" to reflect the information given on the title page. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Starswarm ==<br />
Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|107201|Starswarm (1985)}} from Panther Books - imprint of Granada into Panther / Granada, added a coverscan and elaborated the notes, especially about the confusing mentioning of publisher names on this book (Grafton, Panther and Granada al being mentioned at some place). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a scan for {{P|131151|A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows (Sphere, 1984)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness Ursula K. Le Guin 1983 ==<br />
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Could you check a cover from this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100971 pub]? I think it may be the same cover from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189029 1st] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?119161 3rd] editions by Tim White. [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 16:05, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Quest for Tanelorn ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128231 The Quest for Tanelorn] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 23:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Phoenix in Obsidian ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128121 Phoenix in Obsidian] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 00:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency ==<br />
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Hi, I have submitted cover and artist for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10224 pub]. --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 20:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Ursula K. Le Guin cover images ==<br />
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I've added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100861 Eye of the Heron] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 The Compass Rose]. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Word for World Is Forest", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the cover artist for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100801 verified publication], based on the "Powers" signature at the bottom right corner, and the identification of this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Powers_LAZ_org.jpg signature] in our collection of artists' signatures. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I have added all the notes to {{P|2325|Always Coming Home}}. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 19:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, April 1956 ==<br />
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I linked to a cover scan for the April 1956 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89730 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, May 1954 ==<br />
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I've linked to a cover image for the May 1954 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89681 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:20, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== DAW Collectors publication series ==<br />
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In filling out the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1544 DAW Collectors Books] publication series, I have a question about a book that you verified. C. J. Cherryh's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?195933 Fires of Azeroth], 3rd printing, has a note with the "DAW Collector's Number". Since many reprint editions didn't actually list this number, I was hoping you could tell me whether this note was "inherited" from other editions of the book, or whether it actually appears on this edition of the book, and if so, where -- e.g. on the cover, the spine, or the copyright page. Thanks much, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Added additional international prices ==<br />
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I added the other prices to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116591][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25131][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Unlocking the Air and Other Stories ==<br />
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Expanded the notes for {{P|52881|Unlocking the Air and Other Stories}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Malacia Tapestry by Brian W. Aldiss ==<br />
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Only chimera was used for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115621 this] cover from art by Peter Goodfellow (from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401733 The Flights of Icarus]). [[User:BarDenis|Denis]] 20:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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Added scan and notes for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93991 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Lathe of Heaven ==<br />
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Added cover image and notes to {{P|100821|this pub}}. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 17:07, 1 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Solomon Leviathan", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a cover image, and a couple of minor notes, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101371 verified copy] of this publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist for "The Dispossessed" (first printing of Gollancz SF Masterwork edition) ==<br />
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Hi. You did a Locus1 verification of {{P|109841|this pub}}, which is why I am contacting you. I believe the pub you verified has the wrong cover artist (Jim Burns), and I would like to fix this. Some background: I own a {{P|404674|3rd printing}} of the book where Chris Moore is credited as the cover artist. Rtrace owns a {{P|289330|6th printing}} of the book where Jim Burns is credited. In addition, Locus1 ([http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/b27.htm#A859 current link]) has a credit for Chris Moore for the first printing. This leads me to believe that the first few printings of the book miscredited the cover art (to Chris Moore), and that the publisher fixed the credit in either the 4th, 5th or (at the latest) the 6th printing. I propose the following changes to the first printing you verified (and will implement them if you agree):<br />
* Set the cover artist to "Chris Moore". Even though we know the attribution is probably false, it is the name that appears in Locus1, and thus probably also on the physical book<br />
* Add a note to the pub record (similar to the one in my verified pub) that explains the situation to future editors<br />
* Unrelated, but while I am already editing the pub record: Remove the "volume 16" note, since nowadays the publication series is recorded in a dedicated field<br />
Sorry for being so verbose, I didn't know how to explain this in less words. What do you think about the proposal? Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 15:06, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Unbound ==<br />
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I believe that {{P|358878|this pub}} is the exact same printing as {{P|115631|this pub}} that you PV'ed, and that the two records could therefore be merged. To confirm (or disprove) my theory, could you please have a look at the copyright page of your book and check the printing history that you find there? For comparison, in my book it says<br />
* Published by Triad/Panther Books 1982<br />
* Reprinted 1985<br />
I am not sure how Panther records same-year reprints, but I believe it is rather unlikely that they made two reprints of that book in 1985. Thanks for your time, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- yes, the copyright page matches exactly, so I think you're right. Re The Dispossessed above: I would suggest you go ahead on the basis of your judgement. I don't have that edition, and have no memory of whatever I did to do the verification via Locus. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Sorry for this (very) late follow-up, but I still had this "Frankenstein Unbound" issue on my TODO list from 1.5 years ago. I notice that your verified pub is still around - if you're still willing to go through with this, then I think the simplest way to do it would be for you 1) to delete the pub record that you PV'ed, then 2) to just add yourself to the list of primary verifiers on the other pub. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a couple of notes to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101081 verified publication], i.e. everything after the first note. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 09:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 Cachalot]<br /><br />
Clarifying no number line in notes, adding LCCN from copyright page. Notifying all verifiers.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 14:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Terry Pratchett's Hogfather ==<br />
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Is [[http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514xkYhoiTL.jpg this link]] the cover for {{P|108081|your copy of Hogfather}}? I also have the 11th printing, same ISBN, and that is the cover on mine. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 23:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, that's the same cover as on mine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:20, 12 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, I have added it to the publication. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I would also like to make the following changes/additions: change Pages from 354 to 354+{16} to include unnumbered pages at the end, change page for The World of Terry Pratchett from 355 to [355] to indicate it is un-numbered, add note that cover artist is not credited in book. Is that OK? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I count ten leaves after 354 in my copy; the last two are just advertising, so perhaps you're not counting them? The other changes are fine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I thought it was ISBDB policy not to count the ads in the back of books, but now that I look at the [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] I don't see that. Not sure what is "standard." I was just counting the pages that have "The World of Terry Pratchett" on them. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I think I wrote the first draft of that help page, six or seven years ago; I have no memory of any discussion on that point. How about asking at the community portal to see what others do? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I was thinking of the "contents" area, where we definitely do not include ads. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 21:55, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Language of the Night ==<br />
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I see you did a Locus1 verification of the first US revised edition of {P|42684|The Language of the Night.} Did Locus1 give the publication date as 1992-05-00? My copy in hand has only one indication of the publication month, which is a small code of "0692P" on the inside flap of the front cover. I'm thinking I should note the discrepancy in the Notes. Amazon.com says 1992-05-00 for the date, too, but I don't know how reliable that is. Can't find any info on HarperCollins website (too long ago, no doubt). [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 00:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, haven't really been active here for years, so whatever verification I did I have no memory of. I do have a copy of Language of the Night but don't recall which edition it is; I can pull it and take a look if you like. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, more interested in seeing the Locus1 information -- or is that available on-line somewhere? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::OK, found it on-line [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b291.htm#TOP Locus1] but now I am not sure how to interpret what I see. The line for this book says " +The Language of the Night: Essays on Fantasy and Science Fiction (HarperCollins 0-06-016835-8, May ’92 [Jun ’92], $20.00, 250pp, hc, cover by Steve McLeod) Non-fiction collection of 24 essays and other non-fiction pieces about fantasy and sf, with introductions to each section. This edition has been extensively revised by the author; the original was published by Putnam in 1979 and edited by the late Susan Wood. First American edition of the revised edition (Women’s Press 1989)."<br />
::So, what do I make of the "May ’92 [Jun ’92]" business? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:20, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::That's also something that someone at the Community Portal might know. My best guess would be that the two dates are the official publication date and the date the book actually first appeared; they're certainly not always the same. I remember seeing a 1998 copyright book on a station bookstall in late December 1997. I don't know which would be which, though the later one is more likely to be the official one. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 03:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::The date in brackets is given as being [Date first seen] in the physical copies of the Bronw/Contento indexes. For me, when this date is only slightly later than the Publication Date, it doesn't have any bibliographic meaning(only that Locus' mail was peraphs delayed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Diana Wynne Jones' ''Changeover'' ==<br />
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When a work such as this one is borderline, we tend to err on the side of inclusion. I've added a description to the title record which would lend credence to the work being speculative fiction, but perhaps not science fiction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:OK. Thanks for the note. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe ==<br />
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Hello, have added covers (from galactic central) for several of your verified issues of "Fantastic Universe". Thank you. [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]] 00:23, 14 February 2013 (UTC).<br />
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== The Garden on the Moon ==<br />
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Hello, I accepted your submission. There are a few open questions left, however: 1) Well, the English translation is from 1965, so the date for the introduction should be also 1965 (we handle translations as substantially different texts). 2) Maybe it'd be better to rename the Introduction as 'Introduction (Garden on the Moon)'. As at this point we only have one Introduction by Boulle, but it seems possible if not likely that there will be others (and we differentiate same titles by giving the information in parenthesis). 3)If it's really 'The Garden on the Moon' and not 'Garden on the Moon' this would really have to be made into yet another variant title. Do you already know how to unmerge and variant? Thanks for your submissions anyway! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's really "The Garden on the Moon" on the title page. I used to know how to unmerge and variant, but have forgotten. Looking at the help pages it seems the first step is an unmerge while displaying the parent title, so I'll submit that to start with. Thanks for the other fixes. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted the submission to unmerge the UK edition, and because I was aware of what you were doing, went ahead and made it into a variant of the original French title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:35, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I went ahead and verified it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dancer from Atlantis ==<br />
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Hello, I've added some notes and replaced the amazon scan for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116611 here], I've also changed the price from £0.70 to £0.75 as per my copy. Can you have a look at yours to see if it's correct? Thanks. Hervé [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1957 ==<br />
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Hello, I added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89770 this magazine] for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chris_DeVito Chris DeVito]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Intruders'' ==<br />
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Added to the Note for Fane/Fanthorpe's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105791 ''The Intruders''], re the availability of a facsimile PDF of this edition. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 01:54, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Also [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106221 ''Unknown Destiny'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:00, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 ''U.F.O. 517'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The High Crusade ==<br />
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Hello, the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41493 this] publication is Jack Faragasso, see [http://www.faragassoart.com/book/id20.html faragassoart.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959'' ==<br />
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A cover image has been added to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959''] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?95241 ''Fantastic Universe, March 1959'']. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== About the Author (The Tombs of Atuan) ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:MartyD#The Tombs of Atuan|this discussion]] regarding the {{T|228421|About the Author}} which appears in your verified {{P|101011|The Tombs of Atuan}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Earth Book of Stormgate One ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with scan of verified copy here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118521 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 10:44, 13 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon image with a scan of my verified copy http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 12:51, 15 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, March 1958 ==<br />
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Have added a a cover scan of my verified copy to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?91931 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 11:04, 7 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, September 1959 ==<br />
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Have added a note regarding Miller-Contento listing to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds ==<br />
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Have replaced the Amazon link with a scan of my verified copy in The Rebel Worlds http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 14:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Generic" content titles ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome back. You might want to edit the notice at the top of this page....<br />
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I don't know if it's a change, but current practice for generic (I think the help calls them "standard") content titles, such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Preface", etc. -- just about anything you could easily imagine appearing in other publications over completely different text -- is to disambiguate them by including the publication's title in parentheses, at the end. I did this to "Preface", "About the Editor", and "Notes on the Authors" in {{P|257517|I Shudder at Your Touch}}. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Makes sense; I recall that now. It's been a while! I'm selling a few hundred of my books and thought I'd do some verifications and updates on anything not yet verified before they leave my hands. I'll make sure I do that from now on. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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== ''Snow White, Blood Red'' ==<br />
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A couple of questions/comments about {{P|173951|Snow White, Blood Red}}. I accepted the submissions, but:<br />
* Should the "Ellen Datlow" piece at the end be ESSAY instead of SHORTFICTION? I'm guessing it's a bio?<br />
* With the page count as you've supplied it, I think the pieces on p. 412 and beyond should have their page numbers in brackets per [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Page]].<br />
* See my previous note about disambiguating content titles. I'd consider that for "Recommended Reading", and it might be appropriate for the two author bios.<br />
Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Got it. Will go do that now; thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:15, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Clipper of the Clouds'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437545 this publication], but changed the publisher to "Scottie Books" to match the current publisher in ISFDB records. (If that's not correct, please change it back.) A question: what is on the 2 unnumbered pages at the end of the book? Unless there is significant text, such as the last two pages of the novel are unnumbered, or there's an afterword, etc., then recording them in the page count isn't usually done. We don't record pages that include advertising or catalog lists, a usual practice for paperbacks. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for the [6] pages added to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268941 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:27, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing data fields of primary verified records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to discuss changes in the data fields of primary verified records with the editor who verified it. I'm holding your submission to add [5] pages to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250308 this record]. Is there significant text on these pages? Otherwise, I'm certain the verifier would have included them in the original record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I knew that rule, so I apologize; I should have asked the verifier. There is no significant text on those pages, so I'd guess that the verifier simply ignored them. I take it that that's standard practice, then? Even if there are clearly unnumbered pages before or after the main text block, one doesn't indicate that with "[n]" unless there are content entries to be made from those pages? The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages help text] doesn't specify, so I wasn't sure. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
::And I now see you've answered my question above. OK if I change the help text to say that? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Before making changes to help documentation, you should post a message on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions ISFDB:Rules and Standards discussions] page. If there is no objection, and no debate is generated within a couple of days or so, feel free to update the documentation. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I made a couple of other edits recently to the help text and will add links to those there too so they can be discussed. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Airmont edition of ''Round the Moon'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295411 this record]. The price would indicate that it was published several years after the original 1969 printing, probably circa 1980. (Look at the prices of other printings from this publisher.) Airmont sometimes indicates the printing date as a code on the last page or so of text. Perhaps your copy has such a printing code? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There's a "3-77" at the foot of the last page; is that a date? It's perfect bound so doesn't appear to be a signature identifier. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's the printing code. You can update the record and provide the source for the date in the Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Done. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Assassin's Apprentice'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437604 this record], but it wasn't sourced. I assumed you're working from a copy but didn't indicate that with the proper bullet (the default indicates that you would be providing your source in the Note field, but it's not there.) Also, if you include the excerpt from the end of the book as a content record, then the page count field should indicate that as well. Fifteen unnumbered pages would be entered as "435+[15]". It seems that none of the ISFDB records for other printings of this edition have the correct page count either. (Don't know how they got through moderation, and one of them is primary verified by a moderator. Oh, well.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:17, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437605 this record] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437606 this one]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Ouch. I knew that. Sorry, was careless there. Unfortunately I can't do an accurate page count now because I had to ship the books to a buyer. The 15 page addendum starts on 439 so goes through 453, but I don't recall if that's the last unnumbered page or if there were more blank pages after that. What's the best thing to do now? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:08, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Since you stated in the notes that the excerpt was 15 pages long, there's no need to record any of the blank pages or pages of advertising. So "435+[15]" should be fine. It doesn't matter what page it started on. The page count field gives the page count, not the pagination, which is a whole kettle of fish that we don't deal with here. A "stick-up-the-ass" bibliographer would give the pagination, for example as "[1-8],9-435,[436-438:blank],[439-453],[454-462:blank]". You can see now why we just give a simplified page count! Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Howard's ''Almuric'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that there is no ISBN stated in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179857 this publication]? I thought that by 1971, NEL had already started using them. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There is an ISBN; I missed it -- it's just a string of digits at the bottom of the page with no explanation. I'll add it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:31, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::And thanks for doing the followup edits on the titlemerges, by the way! I appreciate it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem at all. It's a lot easier for a moderator to do it, and I keep my eye out for such followup edits. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Binding/format for ''Time Must Have a Stop'' ==<br />
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This {{P|439319|Time Must Have a Stop}} addition came through with a binding/format of "unknown". I'm guessing you do know? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Oops; careless of me. Yes; fixed. I also added a note indicating that this is definitely not a first edition. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== 16th Pocket ''Contact'' ==<br />
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I believe your proposed 16th Pocket printing of ''Contact'' is a duplicate of {{P|289704|this}}, unless you meant a number other than 16. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:It must be; can't tell because I packed and shipped it. I thought I searched those pubs for a 16th printing but I guess I missed it -- thanks for catching that. And sorry for the slow response; I'm selling my house so things are a bit frantic. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. Good luck! I rejected the clone and moved the note about Canada price and the new content / page numbers to the existing entry. I'll leave Ron a note about the changes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover image ==<br />
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... by a user to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89710 this magazine]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Conan from Sphere ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437790 About this record] I have a quick question. I see the ISBN you've listed for the book on the back cover, but a different ISBN inside on the title page (0722146914) from a previous printing. I believe that they did not update the ISBN when they reprinted the book. I plan to add a note to the record if that's ok with you. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 14:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== I add the other prices to the verified ==<br />
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I add the other prices to the verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 22:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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Hi. I added a cover scan and some notes (9-digit ISBN, overseas prices) to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101251 your verified]. Furthermore, I think the writer's name should be recorded as Ursula K. LeGuin (in one word), and varianted to the canonical one, as it is spelt thus on both cover and title page. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:13, 12 May 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Tales of the White Hart ==<br />
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Added some notes and a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?90571 your verified]. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 09:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
:Added artist's name (Peter Goodfellow) from previous editions. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Edward Valigursky ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Ed(ward) Valigursky|this discussion]] regarding covers by Edward Valigursky. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fire Time ==<br />
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Hi, I have found the cover artist for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118841 Fire Time]. It is Colin Hay, see [http://www.chameleon-arts.com/colin-hay/jackets-10.html here].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 13:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Rebound, redux ==<br />
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This is just to ping you that I replied to an old discussion we had [[#Frankenstein_Unbound|further up on this talk page]]. Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow of Heaven ==<br />
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Hi. I think there is a typo in your verified {{P|128501}} where the Australian price should be 80c instead of 60c. Do you have any objections to me making that change? Many thanks. --[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 15:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Bloodhype'' ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon image of Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108291 ''Bloodhype''] with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 14:00, 2 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1956 ==<br />
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Mike: Downloaded an image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89722 Fantastic Universe, January 1956]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Ditto for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89749 Fantastic Universe, June 1956]. As a sidebar, this may have been the first science fiction digest that I ever read, way back in '71 or '72. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Unlocking the Air", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I made a couple of minor edits to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52881 verified publication]: I added an "ix+" to the page count; added a note giving the title of the Paul Klee painting on the cover; and added the LCCN. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher for "Fantastic Universe" ==<br />
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We have 63 issues of "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18631 Fantastic Universe] entered, all of which have been verified. Of those, 62 have been verified with the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6775 King-Size Publications], and one verified by you with a publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93401 King-Size Publishers]. Could you check whether that one odd issue was really entered correctly? Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Deep Fix - Colvin ==<br />
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Replaced cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38232 this book] with a better scan from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge (Savoy) ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128371 this book] with one that includes the rear and also added other prices to notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin - Threshold ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101341 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Condition of Muzak ==<br />
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Added cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125951 this book] and just wanted to check. My copy dated August 1980 has the price £1.50 printed above a small back rectangular box (preumably hiding the original price). I'll make a note of that but could you let me know please. Thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Elric of Melniboné ==<br />
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Added full wraparound cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128261 this book] and other prices. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Rituals of Infinity ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128321 this book] is by Geoff Taylor from his website [http://www.geofftaylor-artist.com/galleries/cover-art/art/rituals-infinity here]. Record amended accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:24, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Queen of the Swords ==<br />
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Added cover scan taken from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125921 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Runestaff ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 this book] with one from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Sleeping Sorceress ==<br />
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Added cover art scanned from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:04, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 thids book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Vertigo ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127311 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:36, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the interior art illustrator to the contents of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101401 verified publication], as credited on the copyright page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Added two additional cover prices to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?112391<i>Enemies of the System</I>] from back cover of my copy. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 17:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Taran Wanderer ==<br />
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I added the (real) Jody Lee cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115891 Taran Wanderer], which you verified... [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 07:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds - additional Pub Notes ==<br />
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Verifying my edition of your PV1'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841<i>The Rebel Worlds</I>], I added a couple of Pub Notes with some extra publication history, and additional pricing. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 15:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Colony - pub notes ==<br />
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Hi, I added a pub note and slightly re-arranged a couple of others on your PV of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437868 <I>Colony</i>], [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 19:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Unforsaken Hiero - pub notes ==<br />
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I've added pub notes on pub history, cover artist credit and pricing to your P(T)'d [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278994<i>The Unforsaken Hiero</I>], and amended the 'Publisher' field in the metadata to show what's on the title and copyright pages. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 12:00, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dispossessed - special overseas edition? ==<br />
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Hi, I have a rather tatty ?th-hand 1975 Panther/Granada pb copy of <I>The Dispossessed</I>, but really need to check one detail before doing an additional verification of the copy it otherwise matches, your PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101351 edition]. Could you let me know how your copy's copyright page compares with what's in mine? It reads as follows from the top:<br />
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:Granada Publishing Limited<br />
:Special overseas edition published in 1975 by Panther Books Ltd<br />
:[...address details...]<br />
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:First published in Great Britain by<br />
:Victor Gollancz Ltd 1974<br />
:Copyright © Ursula Le Guin 1974<br />
:[...printers details...]<br />
:[...legal warnings etc...]<br />
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If yours doesn't have the 'Special overseas edition...' line, then I imagine I can submit a New or Clone Pub submission. Thanks, [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 07:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- I'm no longer here much, but I stopped by for another purpose. I may eventually be able to pull this out of a box, but it'll be a while; I suggest you go ahead on the assumption I won't be able to look at this any time soon. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:09, 14 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover image to your verified {{P|89769|Fantastic Universe, December 1956}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:51, 31 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Night in Toyland ==<br />
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Have replaced the cover scan for our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8897 Dark Night in Toyland] with one that does not include a white background/border. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 22:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Cover artist Colin Hay of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100891 this] is credited on pages 80 and 96 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362758+f this] art book. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 09:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover for ''Fantastic Universe, June-July 1953'' ==<br />
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[[User talk:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] has added a cover image to your verified {{P|88195|Fantastic Universe, June-July 1953}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mandrake ==<br />
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Hi, Mike. I've put a hold on the update to the record as the month is from the Penguin website. I should have added the link when I did the secondary verifications but have now done so. Don't know if this would change any notes you might add? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I wasn't paying enough attention and didn't see that the attribution to the website would cover the month. No, I think the submission can be cancelled. The only other possible edit would be to put in the text the way I have it since that's what's on the book (including "photographs" rather than "photography", and then clarify that the month is not on the book. I was just correcting the text to match the book. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Black Cauldron ==<br />
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Hi, you verified some Yearling ''The Black Cauldron'' in one undated printing P{{p|115871}}. No cover image but I wonder can you verify that we have the correct illustration --that is, probably, the correct front cover image for your book except for the "Special Low Price $2.69" seal. See Cover {{t|143162}}. <br />
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If the Jody Lee image, probably that title is wrongly dated 1990 by assumption that (Dell) Yearling (Newbery). <br />
Anyway we also have this reported, unverified 1990 Jody Lee cover {{t|1717339}}.<br />
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--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Five relevant publication records reportedly ISBN tp format (4)<br />
# 10th printing 1999-04 {{p|41503}}, Locus1 only<br />
# 38th printing 1999-03 {{p|157221}}, Locus1 only<br />
# 35th printing {{p|115901}}, you verified, maybe your notes, no cover image<br />
# 48th printing {{p|258147}}, no source, notes apparently by same user<br />
: and ISBN 0-440-22030-0 pb format (1)<br />
:5. Yearling Newbery 1996-06 {{p|41505}}, verified Auric, different cover illustration<br />
: Among them 1, 2, 3, and 5 attribute the cover to Jody Lee, yours with no cover image. <br />
: 1, 2, and 4 show cover images with the same illustration attributed twice to Jody Lee and once to Don Maitz.<br />
: 5 shows a cover with different illustration attributed to Jody Lee; this is the real Jody Lee illustration(?)<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 1 that we attribute twice to Jody Lee T{{t|143244}} and once (by user Taweiss whom I consulted[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#The_Book_of_Three]) to Jean-Leon Huens T{{t|1817072}}<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 2 that we attribute to Jean-Leon Huens T{{t|1092028}}<br />
: There is a companion(?) cover illus for book 3 that we attribute usually to Don Maitz T{{t|1357212}} and once to Jody Lee {{t|143321}} --you verified one copy as by Jody Lee, without a cover image, presumably because this is not the Lee illustration<br />
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: You note "Cover art uncredited but signed with the same logo used on other editions credited to Jody Lee." I don't know see the logo but I wonder whether it may really be the logo of Jean-Leon Huens, as 'Jean-Leon' is similary to 'Jody Lee'.<br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:08, 2 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: P.S. I suppose that 5 shows "the real Jody Lee illustration(?)" because of the match in style with covers for ''Castle in the Attic'' and ''Battle for the Castle'' T{{t|1537927}} and T{{t|1537928}} (no logo visible to me), which I fixed last month. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:14, 2 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::: I wrote also to TAWeiss who has verified some records of Prydain novels,<br />
::: who at [[User talk:Taweiss#The Book of Three]] now recommends this [http://prydain.wikia.com/wiki/Book_Editions_and_Cover_Illustrations article on Prydain illustrations].<br />
::: I will pursue this another day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:47, 21 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Agent of the Terran Empire ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115971 this] is Bob Fowke, as the same art is on page 54-55 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476572+f Dangerous Frontiers]. Thanks. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 21:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cryptozoic ==<br />
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Added cover image to your verified Cryptozoic. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?111781 Cryptozoic]]Thanks. -- --[[User:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] 22:21, 4 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Norton Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I second verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24518 and uploaded a new scan showing the jacket spine. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 07:48, 12 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, March 1957 ==<br />
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Hi. Added cover image to your Verified {{P|89778|Fantastic Universe, March 1957}}. [[User:Xipetotec|Xipetotec]] 07:07, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Aldiss's ''Starswarm'' ==<br />
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Added overseas cover prices to our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107201 Starswarm]. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 07:06, 7 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile 72' Tandem ==<br />
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Added Peter Goodfellow artist to your verified pub.[[User:Collectible Science Fiction|Collectible Science Fiction]] 18:44, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Venture Science Fiction ==<br />
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Hi Mike. While going through what Venture Science Fiction I have, I noticed that in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104291 May 1969] and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104431 February 1970] issues you have interior art contents with "untitled" as the titles. I understand that the current rules say those should be given the name of the publication title if not specifically meant for a content title. Added the 2nd illo for Plague Ship in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104351 Nov 1969] issue. Added 2 illos and one review as an essay for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?104871 May 1970] issue. Added notes to issues May 69 thru August 70. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 00:33, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== What Entropy Means to Me ==<br />
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Hi, I've found the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89801 What Entropy Means to Me]. It is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1615101 Fernando Fernandes].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:52, 13 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in the Far Future / Tales of Outer Space ==<br />
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I added pub month with explanatory pub note to your PV'd http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100991. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101051 Dreams Must Explain Themselves] ==<br />
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Hello, I have added the extra page to the page count and a note on the date of publication.<br />
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I have also some associated questions: <br />
:1) Could you describe the interior art (as I presume that it was previously published in Algol)?<br />
:2) Is the map by John Bush also the one that accompanies the classic novels of Earthsea? (We could finally identify the artist for that one).<br />
Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Change needed to Assassin's Quest? ==<br />
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Hi, I recently verified the {{P|565870|7th printing of Assassin's Quest}} and noticed that the {{P|437606|10th printing}} you verified might need an update. <br />
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1) You used the generic Amazon link for the cover, [[http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0553565699.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg here]], and this has now changed to the new Alejandro Colucci cover which was released in mid-2014. It looks like yours had the {{T|1883503|older Steven Youll cover}}, so the link needs to be updated. Any chance you can get it back to take another look? The cover seems to have remained pretty much the same over the years, except for the part just under the author's name where it says "Author of xxxx." If you need another image, I will be glad to look through the Internet Archive for a link to one.<br />
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2) If you are able to view the book again, does your version also include a map, like the 7th printing? If it does, may I add it to your version?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 06:21, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, I no longer have the book. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:07, 20 January 2017 (UTC)</div>
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<div>Welcome to my talk page.<br />
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== Welcome :) ==<br />
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Welcome aboard! I think we have all the "hot" topics linked from the Main page for your browsing convenience. If you have any questions, just post them on that page or its Talk page. If you have general questions (e.g. "what the heck are we doing here anyway??"), feel free to post them either at [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] or on my or Al's User page any time :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:44, 22 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==A note from T. Jackson King==<br />
Hi Mike! This is T. Jackson King (Tom) logging in here to say thanks for the 6/27 welcome note on my talk page, and to ask you for guidance on how I can modify the listing of my short and long works that key to my author name (above). I've put in a third person biography here and on Wikipedia, but I'd like to update my short fiction listing, the awards category, and then link the biblio stuff to the bio page on Wikipedia. I've read through the How Tos and other stuff, but every time I try to "edit" anything other than my bio, I get a screen message saying editing is presently limited to moderators. Having read the main page stuff and info on new software, etc., I guess that explains that. Any suggestions on how I could gain moderator status solely for my writing info stuff? Or can you or Al or who knows? open up my biblio section so I can do as above? Anyway, thanks much for all the work you and others do to maintain this site. While I have my own website, I love Wikipedia (newbie enthusiasm) and have found the ISFDB to include a lot of fellow writers I've known since the early 1980s. My personal email address should be listed on my login data, or, if not, then you can find it on my web site at www.sfwa.org/members/tjacksonking The email address there doesn't work to link to me, but the address is accurate. Enough chatter. Thanks for your time. Tom<br />
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== Budrys ==<br />
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Responses posted on [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:39, 23 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Vacuum tubes ==<br />
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Thanks for the heads up about transistors! Normally, I am not a fan of new and unproven technologies, but spare parts ''are'' getting harder to get these days... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:35, 25 Jun 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==Welcome template==<br />
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Oops! I knew I was missing something! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:53, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Thanks for the welcome ==<br />
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Howdy Mike and thanks for the welcome. I certainly hope to be able to help out with fixing that which needs it and the verification process (I almost called it an effort but that implies there is an end to it whereas a process can be never ending . . .) [[User:PortForlorn|PortForlorn]] 00:02, 19 Oct 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==Collection==<br />
Answered on my Talk page to preserve context, continuity, etc :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:58, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
:Answers updated on my Talk page. We may want to move the last part of the discussion to the Portal since it may have broader applicability. Also, we may want to revive the [[Bibliographic Rules]] page at some point since the Community Portal is getting crowded. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:22, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Dropped Text==<br />
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Yes, I saw a big chunk of text seemingly disapper about an hour ago. As far as I can tell, the text is still there and you can access it if you pull up the whole page in "Edit Page", but it is not displayed any more. Probably some special characters and/or formatting messing it up. I'll see if I can unscramble it, thanks :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:42, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:The problem with the Community Portal page was the "p" template which was messing it up for some reason. I took it out for now and the page is back in business :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:51, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn ==<br />
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Mike,<br />
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FYI, "Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn", "Vithaldas O'Quinn", "Vithaldas H. O'Quinn", etc were all pseudonyms used by Santesson -- see Contento and http://www.trussel.com/books/pseud_o.htm [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:06, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Aha. Thanks for that. I wonder what his source is? I just checked Who's Hugh (should have done that before), and it gives Contento and McGhan as sources for this; McGhan predates Contento but I'm not familiar with it.<br />
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:I wonder if it would be a good idea for us to eventually have a "sources" table, with a way of citing a source for any non-obvious connection -- primarily assigning pseudonyms. E.g. the variant titles connection could have a secondary table with a key of parent title, child title, and an attribute of source id, pointing to the source which attests the connection. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:26, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::It's probably a good idea to formalize the pseudonym attribution process, which is currently effectively undefined. However, I am not sure what the best approach would be. Something for the Community Portal, perhaps? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::Yes, but I think I'll hold off on that for now -- it's not going to happen before beta testing, and I'd like to avoid any red herrings. I think we do need a couple more features to go live effectively, but not much, so I plan to be minimalist about non-go-live-related issues for a bit. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:41, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Certainly understandable. I have been reluctant to start a discussion of my top secret LIAM module for pretty much the same reason. My biggest concern is that although the software is currently largely functional, it has enough built-in gotchas and twists to discourage all but the most dedicated editors. And once a potential contributor is discouraged, he may not be easy to lure back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:48, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Good point; hadn't really thought about it that way. I think one goal of the beta is to identify what can be improved along these lines. However, to me the main implication is that usability and workflow enhancements are the main thing to look at between now and the beta, since we can actually *do* most things now. That's why, for example, I think award editing is low priority, but an ISFDB watchlist is high priority. I can't see a Heinlein project team member getting very far without the ability to keep an eye on "his" data. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:53, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::It's entirely possible that the majority of the ISFDB activity will be eventually Author-centric, but it's hard to tell ahead of time. In the past, the ISFDB had two primary categories of editors: authors and bibliographers. Authors tended to be highly author-centric (not entirely surprisingly, one might add) and their activity was sporadic, based on random factors like the appearance of new stories/books, writer's block, insomnia, etc. I can certainly see how a returning author may want to see a list of changes to his biblio since his last visit.<br />
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::::::Bibliographers, on the other hand, tended to be much more thorough and '''much''' less author-centric. Some would concentrate on magazines, others on first editions, yet another category would be interested in certain publishers (e.g. DAW and Baen as can be seen elseWiki), etc. They would be much less likely to benefit from this proposed tool unless it could be made highly configurable and track many different fields in various clever ways, which I consider unlikely given our limitations.<br />
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::::::Finally, there are two other categories of editors from years past: unpublished writers who would try to sneak their work undercover, as it were, and regular genre readers, who typically come and go at random intervals. Having said that, the Internet has grown so much and the idea of user-editable databases has become so widespread in recent years, that it's hard to tell what kind of audience we will draw this time around. Oh well, time will tell :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::That list of likely editor types is very illuminating. I guess I was thinking that some authors have such a following that they would draw interested editors, but I suppose the list of authors that would have a sufficiently dedicated following is quite short. On the other hand, my watchlist at Wikipedia has a high overlap with the pages I've edited; I think a lot of editors would like to work that way.<br />
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::::::::There are good-to-excellent single author bibliographies on the net (Bramah, Farmer, Leinster, Vance, etc) that are maintained either by individuals or by small groups, but I don't think we had a whole lot of luck getting them to update the ISFDB. Or, if we did, they were not as visible as the other types of editors. Perhaps we will have beter luck this time. I suppose that "struggling writers", who tended to be more visible, saw the ISFDB and similar outlets as a way to get free publicity. Clearly, Stephen King didn't need the ISFDB to maintain a decent standard of living :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::The key point seems to me to be that we have to have a way to watch data being degraded, so we can stop it. You're putting in many hours of work doing consistency checks. How do you know they are still consistent? (Well, there's not many people editing right now, but you know what I mean.) I spent a long time on the "Ace Books" article in Wikipedia, and I have it watchlisted. I go check every single edit that's done to it, because I have an interest in keeping it high quality. If I can't do that for, e.g., the Fantastic Universe issues I've been entering, I won't really want to enter any more of them. I recently noticed that a title in one of the issues had been changed for an editorial, for example. I'm pretty sure that Al did it, in verifying against Contento2, so I asked him about it. If 20,000 changes had gone by while I was on vacation, I'd have no way of knowing if those issues were still in good shape.<br />
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::::::::This is definitely a major concern, but I am not sure that the proposed software solution is as easy to implement as all that -- see below. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::I realize that moderators are going to be eyeballing changes, and we can have rules about not approving changes to records that are verified, without some justification given in the notes. That's actually pretty strong protection, but I don't think it's quite enough.<br />
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:::::::To get back to your editor types, I think the pure bibliographers will want to know that their work is not just going to get corrupted, otherwise they won't want to enter data. They may not watchlist everything they enter, but they may watchlist most of it.<br />
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:::::::Finally, I don't think it's necessarily that hard to do. To watchlist a title, for example, you need a userid/titleid cross reference table; pretty straightforward. Then you need "for each title: list approved submissions that affect this title, get all publications; for each publication: list approved submissions that affect this title". The user could click on the submission to see the original update request. That would be the equivalent of a diff. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 21:31, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::::Well, that may be easy to implement in a static environment, but Title IDs and Publication IDs get merged and deleted all the time. I really don't know how much work it would take to get even to the low hanging fruit, so I would need to defer to Al. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::Yuck. Merged ids changing the id of what you're watchlisting; hadn't really considered that. I can think of answers, but fundamentally you're right that there are some gotchas -- though I still suspect we need to do it, or something like it. Anyway, I've started a beta discussion on the community portal, so let's wait and see what comes out of that -- maybe nobody else will agree we need the watchlist function. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 09:28, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Regularized Case==<br />
I noticed that [[Template:PublicationFields:Title]] and related pages do not include "on" in the list of words that should not be capilized in titles. For example - The DAW list has the following and they look "correct" to me but don't follow ISFDB's conventions and I'm wondering if the conventions should be updated or the DAW titles. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:07, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
*''Incident on Ath''<br />
*''Monday Begins on Saturday''<br />
*''Ocean on Top''<br />
*''One on Me''<br />
*''The Darkness on Diamondia''<br />
*''The Sailor on the Seas of Fate''<br />
*''Walkers on the Sky''<br />
:You're right; "on" looks correct. I'll fix this in the templates -- thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 07:46, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Bug 10009 ==<br />
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Looks plenty fixed to me! :) Al rolled out a number of fairly major changes today, so I would guess that he also zapped 10009 as a "ah heck, might as well do it now" kind of thing. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:12, 7 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== "Nevile Shute"? ==<br />
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Mike, does http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVSEP1959 reflect the spelling of Nevil Shute's name in the magazine correctly or is it a typo? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:17, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:Oops. Fixed. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 18:26, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Templates for magazines ==<br />
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I think the conservative thing to do for now is to "just make the template available so that projects that get going can use it". That way we won't forget about it and can always go back and propagate the template if it becomes popular.<br />
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As far as "author-centricity" goes, it's the natural way to ''organize'' projects and keep track of them. It's not that we will necessarily have all that many author-centric editors, but rather that I can't think of a better way to record what has been done and where things stand. On any given day I may jump between a dozen different Authors and two dozen Series, merging things, deleting, adding, checking secondary biblios, etc, but at the end of the day I go back to the respective Author (and sometimes Series) pages in the Wiki to record what has been done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:37, 17 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Collections contents ==<br />
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I'll happily add the contents, it's just I couldn't see a way to do it from the create page. <br />
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I'll try the clone options page next time. I'm only going to be touching any books if I've got them in front of me. [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 08:48, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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One possible beta bug, I entered years (xxxx-0-0) for all the stories in scared stiff but they've all come through zeroed.<br />
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I'll correct those and see if they go through this time.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 09:59, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Cold print answer ==<br />
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It is a collection, with a second expanded edition, so the initial verification as a novel is a mistake.<br />
--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 11:44, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Recent Hayford Peirce edits==<br />
Hi Mike, I see you're online approving my edits. I seem to have done some things wrong, however. When I go to the Hayford Peirce article it doesn't show Der Zeit-etc. as a foreign edition of Napoleon Disentimed. And now there are two entries for Dinosaur Park -- I was just trying to add the month of publication (May 1994) to the original entry of 1994. Sorry for screwing things up! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:17, 25 Dec <br />
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::No problem. You might find [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant|this help page]] useful -- your data entry was fine, but now you need to tell the ISFDB that "Der Zeit . . ." is actually a variant of "Napoleon Disentimed". When you entered "Der Zeit" it created a publication record, and a title record, both saying "Der Zeit" was the title. Pub records track physical books, so that record doesn't need to change. Title records are the things that connect multiple publications of the same work. So you need to connect the title record of "Der Zeit" to the title record of "Napoleon Disentimed"; the help page link should help you figure it out. If it's not clear, ask again. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::A couple of things to keep in mind. One is that we have a display bug in the current version of the ISFDB software. It causes Variant Titles to appear twice, once as a "Variant Title" under the parent title and once by itself. The bug used to be limited to short fiction titles, but now that Al is trying to integrate short fiction and novel length data on the same page, it has spread to novels as well. That's why ''Dinosaur Park'' is displayed twice. It's just a display issue, there is no need to adjust the data -- I am sure it will be fixed soon.<br />
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:::The second thing to keep in mind is that we are currently listing foreign language translations of English language books as Publications under the main English language title. The reason for it is to avoid clutter on the main Author page for Authors that have been translated into numerous languages. I have already merged the German language version with the English langiage original, so we are all set for now. In the future, you can simply use the "Add Publication to this Title" link on the Title's page to avoid the need to merge the newly entered title with the parent. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Regarding Zeit-etc. Yes, the first entry I made I had the date structure wrong (according to a warning), so I went back and corrected it, or so I thought. Evidently that led to two different entries being made. There should only be one. In any case, the date of publication should, correctly, be 1992-00-00 -- I guess! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
::OK -- have a go at deleting the incorrect one; it should be easy to figure out how. I know the warning message you're talking about; it's just informative, and doesn't stop the data being entered. The format for unknown dates is zeroes, so you can just enter 1992 and ignore the warnings if it's going to be zeroes anyway. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Righto -- it's easier to have the discussion going on at a single page. I have already deleted one of the Zeits. I started to delete Dinosaur Park from my list of novels, since it's now shown as a variant title of Thirteenth Majestral. But then I was afraid that deleting it would also remove it from the variant status. Is a puzzlement! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Yup, it's that bug mentioned above raising its ugly head :( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Ah, so you're saying that I *can't* delete that second listing?! That sounds like a pretty major bug to me! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:57, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::Well, it's just a display bug: if you look at the URLs that the two displayed titles point to, it's the same location, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?15751 This bug only popped up the other day, so it's presumably due to the software overhaul that Al von Ruff is currently in the middle of. I will re-report it again on the Bug page just to make sure he is aware of it :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:03, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::And thanks for the on-going tips -- I'm sure that I'll get up to speed on this eventually. I do have, for instance, other foreign edition info to put in for various books. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 <br />
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::::Hi Mike, it's actually a trade paperback, I guess, the big glossy pb -- I should have realized that there was a different entry for that. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 14:23, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Pence and pounds==<br />
Hi Mike, thanks for the tip on the pound sign -- I use the character set from time to time for other things, so I'll remember to use it here also. Regarding the price of the Canning book, however, we've gotta remember that it was a 1973 book, before the pound had a hundred units of whatever it is. <br />
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1971 was the changeover: a pre-decimal pound was the same as a post-decimal pound though.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:06, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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In those days (and I just checked it in my big old Websters) the pound had 20 shillings and each shilling had 12 pence. So a pound consisted of 240 pence. Which means that a book that sold for 50p (or 50 pence, I'm pretty sure) was not the equivalent of £0.50 -- it would actually be the equivalent of £0.208 (50 divided by 240). Or so I think. Maybe I should go back to the Canning item and change the "p" to "pence"? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 16:20, 30 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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A pound still has twenty shillings in it, but no youth will know what a shilling was. (It's 5 new pence rather than 12 old pence.)<br />
You'd never see a pre-decimal price in pence alone, though, unless it was less than a shilling: and those would have been labelled "d" rather than "p". So "6d" would be half a shilling, or "£0.025" in current parlance. I forget when we lost the half-penny, but I'm pretty sure we don't need to go to three decimals after the mid 1980s....<br />
For pre-decimal prices though, 50p didn't exist, we'd call half a pound "10 shillings" or "10 Bob". If it was really 50 pennies, then it would be "Four shillings and tuppence" or "4/2".<br />
I apologise for my country's weird currency shift,but all I can do now is resist joining the Euro and making it THREE currency systems in my lifetime...<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:06, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Burr by Gore Vidal==<br />
Hi, Mike, and Happy New Year! I see that Burr is listed as a novel by Gore Vidal -- he did indeed write, although not on that date, and it is NOT possibly SF or anything associated with it. I just tried to delete it completely from the list but evidently one has to be a moderator to do so. So, would you be kind enough to do so when you have a moment? Thanks! (It's a *great* book, by the way!) [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:11, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Hmmm, that's very strange -- I just looked at the Vidal biblio summary and Burr is still there. Plus, when I tried to delete it, there was a message across the top of the screen that only a moderator could do so.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:34, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Charles McCarry==<br />
Sorry, I just saw why you had rejected my edit -- *after* I had redone it. I thought that maybe I had forgotten to hit the submit button. I'll redo it, correctly, this time, as Non-Fiction. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:24, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==The "pre" tags==<br />
Hi Mike, I'm using them because someone put this info in the Jonathan Gash discussion and suggested that I use the phrase I've been putting in. I myself thought it looked "awful" once it showed up but I figgered he knew more about it than I did! I wish this Wiki had a preview feature in it so I could see what the changes are gonna look like! I'll go back and remove all the "pre" if you think that's what I should do. Or I'll do whatever you suggest to make things look better.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:02, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Okie, thanks. I copied the tag from "Edit" mode, and maybe there were some formatting things in there that were only for the note he wrote to me and that shouldn't have been copied into the Lovejoy stuff. I'll clean it up, but bear with me if it turns out to be a trial and error process.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Bad ISBN ==<br />
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It's impossible to edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO1318 title] as it has a # at the start of the ISBN and it makes it throws a Python error.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 14:23, 6 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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As I've just added a few entries with '#' at the start of the ISBN (as they are old books but have internal publishers numbers) I'm worried I may be causing you problems.<br />
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Although I see no problem with THAT particular entry.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:10, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Danke! I've been seeing that birthday thing for a while now and wondering if I wuz gonna show up -- now we know that at least *one* thing works! And most of the rest, too, for that matter. It's a wonder that there aren't *more* bugs -- my mind is boggled by how much info there is in here and how it's already so structured.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 11:27, 7 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== British Currency ==<br />
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Thanks for the note on this. Is there a standard for the pre-metric prices? Pounds, shillings and pence. Or is it okay to write them as they are on the books, i.e. 3/6 = three shillings and six pence.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 13:38, 7 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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I've been told that if there are no pence, we should use a dash - e.g. "three shillings exactly" is "3/-".<br />
I don't own any book that would give me an example of POUNDS, shillings and pence. I think there must have been a few, but those were no doubt luxury editions, and would probably need an explanation of "Guineas" too.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:16, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Check outcome of discussion on use of # in ISBN field==<br />
Hi Mike - I saw you added this but am not sure what page the discussion is on. I saw that you had edited the ISBN help to asking that people not enter the hyphens. That surprised me as I thought we wanted the hyphens as it makes it easier for humans to verify that the ISBN is correct. As moderators, hyphens work to our advantage because right now the moderator/approval page shows the raw data meaning that if I see a hyphenated value I know that an editor entered it with hyphens and ISFDB did not recognize it as an ISBN otherwise it would have stripped out the hyphens. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:28, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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Here's an update since I can't find the ISBN discussion. I just entered/verified a book (Starship by Brian W. Aldiss...) using an ISBN of V2321. ISFDB set up links to Amazon, etc. in the navbar as though this was a valid ISBN. I edited the pub to prefix the catalogue code with # and that got rid of the links to Amazon. I suspect it's a bug but might as well include this with the ISBN discussion.) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:59, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thanks for the update -- I guess I misunderstood the outcome of that discussion. I had previously been entering ISBNs exactly as they appeared on the books, with the hyphens; this led to ISBNs that were truncated and incorrect. I rather suspect that's what's going on with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 this pub], for example; if you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?227671 title reference] you'll see there's something odd going on with the ISBN. I entered that from my copy; it's in my daughter's room and she's asleep right now, so I can't check it, but I'm willing to bet I entered that ISBN with hyphens and if I reenter it without hyphens it will fix the problem.<br />
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:What have you been doing for data entry of ISBNs? Are you using hyphens successfully? I know it displays them on output, but I'd like to know how to use them on input if that can work.<br />
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:For the "#", I take the point about the Amazon link -- hadn't noticed that. However I really dislike that "#" because it isn't actually on the publication. I would rather enter the real data and treat the Amazon link problem as a bug or feature request. Did we have a discussion on this somewhere about the pros and cons of the "#"? I am afraid we did, and it was agreed to use it, but I can't find that discussion now. I really want to suggest we make it optional, at least. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Regarding the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 pub] with the odd ISBN. I did an edit-pub and change the page count from 40 to 40x so that on the mod-screen I could see what the DB value was for the ISBN. The approval screen said <br />
:::{| border="1"<br />
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! align=left|Column!! align=left|Current [Record #100841]!! align=left|Proposed Changes<br />
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|'''Isbn:'''|| bgcolor="#ffc0c0"|0-590-42833-0|| bgcolor="#d0ffd0"|0590428330<br />
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::It looks like the ISBN had been entered with hyphens before Al started removing them. It seems like there’s a lot of outstanding project requests but yet another one will be to do a DB scan and for all of the publications with valid (good checksum) hyphenated ISBNs we need to remove the hyphens. I believe I have already reported the display bug where the code is inconsistent in its interpretation of valid vs. invalid data.<br />
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::Yes, I am entering hyphens successfully. At the moment when you enter a publication the code looks at the ISBN and if it looks valid, including the checksum, the code will remove the hyphens. Thus had you reentered or just edited your book it would work. There is a bug in this area where if the checksum is not valid then the hyphens are not removed but some of the display code does assume it’s a valid ISBN and that leads to messy results. The good news is that on the moderator screen if you see hyphens then you know it’s an invalid ISBN. If the hyphens are gone then we know it’s either a valid ISBN (editor entered it with hyphens and they were stripped) or it’s an invalid ISBN entered without hyphens). I already have a feature request in for ISBN to better explain it’s interpretation of the data rather than us needing to rely on non-obvious (and unreliable) clues like hyphens in the mod-screens or if the link to Amazon is there.<br />
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::I agree with you about the “#” stuff and that it’s not stated and don’t particularly like the # prefix but also see that it helps makes the edit/display logic very clean and also easy to understand for the humans. Right now the code is getting messy as it attempts to allow for or to deal with human error when entering data into ISFDB, publisher errors, codes that look like ISBNs but are not (SBNs for example), etc. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Genre authors in non-genre periodicals ==<br />
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Hi Mike!<br />
I found where my "talk" page is accessed (I am a brand NOOB about wiki) and read your note about The Universe Well Lost. What is policy regarding stories that we want to index, because they are SF or are by an SF writer (like Sturgeon), but first appeared in a non-SF magazine? Should we add a note to the title record for the story?<br />
[[User:Chenrich|Chenrich]] 16:36, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re: recent edits (a little late) ==<br />
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Mike: you left a note for me which included the following puzzle:<br />
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"One is you've been deleting the "jvn" that is found in some of the Story Length fields. In fact this is intended to be there; I just realized it's not documented properly."<br />
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I hate to say this but, I've never even SEEN "jvn" on an entry let alone removed it.<br />
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It would seem that either something I'm doing is triggering an automatic removal or some error in a script is removing it. Where does the info show up?? I'd like to help track this down if I can...<br />
[[User:Dsorgen|Dave Sorgen]] 20:54, 17 Jan 07<br />
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:As I dealt with one of these dropped "jvn"s today I took a look into what I had approved/edited and then was able to replicate the issue with one of my test titles. It's an ISFDB bug. See [[Open_Editing_Bugs]] 10090 Minor dataloss – Edit-pub wipes out title storylens for novels. Dave is right in that he's never seen a "jnv" and I filed a bug report about that too at [[Open_Display_Bugs]] 20092 Display of storylen for novels. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:42, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Marc, thanks for figuring this out. Dave, I hope that clarifies it; let one of us know if not. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:50, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Aldiss/Non-Stop==<br />
Mike, on [[User_talk:Thomas_conneely#Aldiss.2FNon-Stop]] you wrote "I could have sworn he'd entered a variant title for "Non-Stop, by Brian Aldiss" at one point, but it's not there now." That's one of the few times where I decided to just leave it as a variant publication. The title record is for Brian W. Aldiss and the publications under that title are by both Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss. Had it been a pseudonym rather than a small variation in the author's name I would have added a variant title. Do you think I should add the VT every time? [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:21, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think so; I understood that to be current policy. Let's take it to Bibliographic Rules or the Community Portal if you think it should be revisited. As with other issues like this, I think the difficulty with your approach would be where to draw the boundary. What about "U. K. Le Guin", which Le Guin agreed to for "Playboy" (I think it was) at one point, only to later discover that the reason was they wanted to conceal her gender from their readers? Is that a significant enough difference? I'd say it was. Rather than make judgements, my preference would be to make 'em all vts unless they are identical in every respect -- punctuation, everything. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::It turned out there was already a title record (two of them in fact) for Non-Stop under Brian Aldiss and so I merged them and made the result a VT of Non-Stop by Brian W. Aldiss. In looking at the main [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?123 title] record it's painful as you can see that the Millennium publication must be one or the other, or maybe both. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:51, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Publications listed "as by Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss" or "Robert Heinlein and Robert A. Heinlein" etc are (unfortunately) not uncommon in the database. They mostly come from Amazon.com, which frequently mishandles middle initials. Have I mentioned the dope smoking penguins lately? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:27, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Magazine Tags==<br />
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Mike, when you wrote "All pubs have tags; for everything but magazine the tag is generated automatically, and the uniqueness is ensured by the ISFDB scripts. I believe the reason that the magazines don't do this is to make it easier to build the magazine index pages", were you basing it on the documentation or on your editing experience? I don't recall manually adding tags for any of the magazines that I entered in December and they seemed to be auto-generated just fine, so I wonder if this issue was resolved a while back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:23, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Wow. I never even thought of just leaving the field blank and letting it do the work! I assumed that the reason it was exposed in the New Mag screen was to ensure the human entered it. I'll update the help to correspond. Thanks for the heads up! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:10, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::I think it goes back to the ISFDB1 days when we had a separate magazine editor who had his own locally hosted database and had to do some magic with tags to get the two databases to talk to each other. Al would probably remember more about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:30, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== More on sigs ==<br />
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Marc, I forgot to mention that you need to check the "raw sig" checkbox to make the sig I gave you work. Also, when you sign on your own talk page, it's smart enough to unlink the talk link (since that's to the current page), so testing it on your own talk page is a bit misleading. Hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thank you Mike - I knew it would be misleading to test on my own pages but for some silly reason I got distracted and failed to test on some other page. The signature should be ok now. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 12:59, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space==<br />
Mike, I noticed that you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space]. Is the editor's name spelled Donald A. Wolheim or is the last name Wollheim in your copy? The contents are a bit tricky to read given it looks like you have both the A and B side stories. Maybe it would work if you create a new publication called ''Tales of Outer Space/Adventures in the Far Future'' Each pub would then list the title of the other on an unnumbered page and would only list the numbered stories for that side. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 15:38, 20 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Good catch; it was a typo on my part. I've fixed it.<br />
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:As for the two pub records approach -- I think this particular pub is the trickiest one I've entered. I don't really like the two pubs idea, because it really is just one pub. The anthology records are part of what's confusing -- they don't really correspond to a single physical pub, as one would expect. I think the right answer is to permit titles within a pub to have a hierarchical relationship to each other, so that the stories could be put inside the anthologies, but I think that's a big change with lots of coding difficulties. So for now I'm inclined to leave it as it is -- at least there are not very many of these omnibuses with anthologies inside them, so it's not a big problem. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:57, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Hello, printings & other thoughts ==<br />
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Hello mike. Still learning how to use site. Discovered enter key works like submit button.<br />
#Printings:Dated printings like ballantine seem straight forward to enter , but what about line numbers 1,2,3, etc.where printing 1-4 lets say are all identical, they raise price of book & printings run 5-9. Should the 1st book have a note saying printings seen 1-4 & 2nd book a note saying printings seen 7-9 & so on with new priced books.Than adjust note for newly discovered printings?<br />
#Older books with letter & number codes. Should i place "#" in front like #F-123 or enter F-123. I see it both ways which is preferred?<br />
#Instead of using "L" how do i get the pound sign?<br />
#I see you have a separate site for DAW books. I have about 200, most from 1-350. Where would this information be of most use?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:12, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Howdy; yes, it takes a while to learn your way around. I hope I can help. Some answers:<br />
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:#Printings: Currently the plan is to have 9 publications in the situation you describe. Each might differ only by printing date (which might not even be determinable) but they are physically different, if only by the number line. In some cases you can derive information about some printings from information in the later printings, and it's OK to enter this information. However, it would be good to explain the source in the notes, and also of course these printings should not be marked as verified unless you have a physical copy to hand.<br />
:#The "#" sign is preferred. I personally dislike this approach, but there are good reasons for it. I think the debate is likely to come up again in the future, but it is complicated, since that field is used for ISBN, which brings a variety of issues with it.<br />
:#If you're using Windows, you can go to Start->All Programs->Accessories->System Tools->Character Map, which permits you to copy all kinds of special characters into the clipboard, whence you can paste them into the price field. The other character I find I use it for is the em dash.<br />
:#Marc will probably notice your comment and respond to you directly, but if not, post a note to [[User talk:Marc Kupper]]. Marc is the DAW expert, and if you're willing he can send you a spreadsheet you can edit with your information. I did the same thing, and sent him about 150 verifications. He'd be glad of any offers to verify, I know.<br />
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:I hope that's useful; ask if there are more questions. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:30, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::*Printings: Note that if you add extra publication entries that you should note very carefully the source of the record. I normally also leave the price and ISBN fields blank to that people don't mistakenly believe a publication may exist with that particular price or ISBN. BTW Mike - I did not realize the plan was to have one publication record per printing. I had assumed one per ISBN/Price pair and that the notes field would have a list of the printings found. One record per printing though makes it much easier to deal with verification. As there is no printing field maybe we should adopt something like "Bantam (16th)" for the publisher name.<br />
::*On the price field and getting the £ sign. You can also use the numeric keypad on the right side of your keyboard. Hold down either ALT key and on the numeric keypad enter 0163, and release the ALT key. A “£” will appear.<br />
::*That's excellent about your DAW collection. Yes, I can e-mail you the spreadsheet. My e-mail is on http://marc.kupper.googlepages.com/contact --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 03:03, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==11th printing of A Wizard of Earthsea==<br />
Hi Mike - I see you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSR0000 A Wizard of Earthsea] using 0000-00-00 for the publication date. The printing history table in my 16th printing says the 11th printing was January 1979. Do you want me to update your record? I see that the 7th [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSD0000 publication] was not dated and someone "back-filled" in the date using the 11th printing as the source and assume that practice is ok with you. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:42, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:That would be great -- in fact I'll go ahead and make the change now. Could you also update the printing history information at [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea|the Le Guin biblio page]]? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
::Aha. I see you have. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Mike - I see you added 5-552-89816-8 to [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea]] - That's a Russian Federation ISBN meaning this may be a translated work. Here's a summary of the ISBN prefixes. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:07, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:::*0- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*1- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*2- French (language - Primarily France but also Canada, Luxembourg, Switzerland and Belgium)<br />
:::*3- German (language - Primarily Germany but also Austria, Belgium, Switzerland, and Liechtenstein)<br />
:::*4- Japan (country)<br />
:::*5- Russian Federation (Primarily Russia but also Azerbaijan to Ukraine)<br />
:::*6- Unassigned<br />
:::*7- China (country) (Taiwan uses the 957- and 986- prefixes. Hong Kong uses 962- and 988-)<br />
:::*After 7 we get into two to five digit group prefixes.<br />
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:::*Group codes 0 to 7 are one digit leaving eight digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 80 to 94 are two digits leaving seven digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 950 to 993 are three digits leaving six digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 9940 to 9989 are four digits leaving five digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 99900 to 99999 are five digits leaving four digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
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::::Mike - After I shut down last night I realized I should have said that a publication being in a particular language or country group is no guarantee that the publication is printed in that language. For example, I have several English language publications printed in Japan that have "4" series ISBNs and am sure that most foreign language books printed in the USA/UK/Canada are using the 0 or 1 prefix. Thus all we can say about that copy of Earthsea with a "5" prefix is that if the ISBN is accurate that the book was probably printed in one of the Russian states. A Google search for the ISBN only came up with English language pages implying that if it's a valid ISBN that the book is printed in English. It could also be bogus data being replicated from site to site. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 17:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::The big Z39.50 search engine at http://www.sigla.ru (click on the tiny Union Jack in the corner to get the English language version of the interface and keep in mind that some functionality is appararently only supported under IE) returns zero hits on 5-552-89816-8. Since the engine is based in Russia and has a good coverage of Russian libraries, it's comewhat unlikely that none of them have this edition, but stranger things have been known to happen. On the other hand, it looks like this particular Pub record comes from Amazon.com and is supposedly a "Spectra" book. I am willing to bet dollars (rubles?) to donuts that Amazon.com screwed up and the ISBN should have been our old friend "0-553-26250-5" -- see http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7653 [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::Hmmm. So you think we should just delete it? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:00, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::Well, what are the chances that any book published in the USSR (note the 1991 date) was priced in dollars? :) It's just another bogus Amazon.com ISBN; unfortunately, there are thousands of them and many have migrated to the ISFDB. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:20, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::::You convinced me; it's gone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:23, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm catching up on random things. Deleting seems fine - I had stared at the ISBN for a bit trying to see if it was a transposition error, someone who shifted a column or row while keying, etc. and did not see anything where I could say "this looks like that ISBN over there." Maybe the verification logic should check to see if an ISBN is in Amazon and refuse to accept any publications that that match Amazon's data? :-) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:54, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Where was the thread about vt display?==<br />
Hi Mike - I'm trying to find the thread, and I'm not sure if its one you or I started, about when there is just one VT that it can be confusing and when there's more than one it looks good. I just added a couple of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?John%20W.%20Campbell,%20Jr. John W. Campbell] books and used VT to get them linked to John W. Campbell, Jr.'s page. At first the bibliography looked pretty terrible as it showed <br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965) [as by John W. Campbell ]<br />
and it was not clear the title was available under both Campbell and Campbell, Jr. I did a hack in that from ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1528 The Mightiest Machine]'' Campbell, Jr. I used "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" to make a new title called ''The Mightiest Machine'' by Campbell, Jr. Now there more than one VT record and the display looks like<br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1972) [as by John W. Campbell ] <br />
The first one is not really a "Variant Title" but it seems clearer that the story was published using both "John W. Campbell, Jr." and "John W. Campbell."<br />
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I wanted to add this to the original thread for comment but now I can't find it. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 18:52, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I had an outstanding action to make that thread into a feature request, which I've now done at [[Feature:90115 Enhance vt display to show both canonical name and pseudonym]]. For the moment I've just redirected the feature link to the original edit-bug link. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 06:40, 25 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Oops!==<br />
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Oops! Sorry, Mike, I have accidentally approved one of your changes instead of mine. It looked like a simple correction of the "first name - last name" order in an author's legal name, so hopefully no harm done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:05, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:No problem, I realized what had happened. Good thing I wasn't testing an Author Merge submit of Le Guin and Asimov! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:09, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::My thoughts exactly :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:38, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:"The Moon Maker" by A. Train ==<br />
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Mike- There is also a second author "Robert W. Wood" but when i used the add author button no 2nd author box turned up, so i entered what i could. also the book lists seven other books on the dust jacket as available from publisher or bookstore, none are in your DB. Should i enter them with cautionary note about there source? They list then as SF & Fantasy.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:15, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Danke! ==<br />
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Just a quick note to say thanks for the tips and info about merging records. Gracias.<br />
-- Mike Arnzen<br />
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== The Land of Laughs ==<br />
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Yes, it was a slip of the mouse. The merged title should be "The Land of Laughs".<br />
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Sorry it took a while to reply, I kept checking my user page but didn't realise I wasn't actually logged in.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:23, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Cover design/Illustrator ==<br />
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Mike, the cover illustrator is listed as an artist, but what about the cover designers? Should they be listed as artists or separately in the notes?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:29, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think the best solution here is to list them in the notes. Marc suggested using an INTERIORART record with a location of "cv" for "cover"; that works too. I use the notes myself. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:48, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moorcock/DAW question ==<br />
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Marc, can you answer a DAW question for me? I was about to enter Moorcock's "Warriors of Mars" and "Barbarians of Mars", which I have in the Compact pb editions from 1965. The title listings, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 here] each show a DAW edition dated 1965. This is obviously nonsense, but I was wondering if there were any DAW editions at all that you know of. If not, I'll overwrite these with the Compact data; if so, I'll leave them and change the dates to unknown. Thanks -- [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:07, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:* http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 Barbarians of Mars] - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:--[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 16:28, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Messiah at the End of Time ==<br />
Mike - please take a look at [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Messiah_at_the_End_of_Time]] --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 1 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Front cover images ==<br />
Thanks, I should be more careful with paste & copy :-) [[User:A.kesrith|A.kesrith]] 11:04, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moving misidentified titles ie:Novels to Collections. ==<br />
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Mike, this may have an obvious answer but if i want to move a title from novel to coll. or the other way, is there an easy way? Also moving title or titles from novel to serial & the other way? Example Schroeder's Permanence is a stand alone novel but Lady of Mazes should be in Ventus? series.Lady is a loose prequel to Ventus, per conversation with the author.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:49, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Changing the type of a title requires at least one step; one for the title, and then one for each publication that needs to be changed. First display the title, then choose "Edit Title Data" and change the pulldown data type to be whatever it should be. When that's approved, display the title again and look at each publication to see if it has the right type; you can display and edit each in turn to change it to suit. Remember that not every publication may need to be changed -- if the novel has appeared in an OMNIBUS, for example, the OMNIBUS doesn't get a NOVEL type.<br />
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:Re your second question: I assume you mean "series", not "serial"; ISFDB uses the latter term to refer to serialization in a magazine. The way to change series data is covered in [[Help:How to work with series]]. Briefly, what you do is go to the title page -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22286 here] is the title page for Permanence -- and choose "Edit Title Data". You'll see a "Series" field and a "Series Num" field; these should be blanked out to make the title a standalone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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==dos-a-dos collections==<br />
Mike = please take a look at this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BTWNTWWRLD1997 publication] and see if how I handled the pagination works for you. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:16, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:That's a pretty neat way to do it. I certainly don't like the alternative, which comes out like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 this]. I don't like hacking fields to make them do something different, but there are very few dos-a-dos collections and anthologies, so I think this is fine as a workaround. You might post a note to Al or at the CP to see if anyone can think of a reason not to do this. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:28, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::ok - I may propose it as a standard where instead of author names we use "A" and "B" with a note to explain which side is which. The reason is the page # field is 8 characters long. I knew that going in and was happy that both Carr and Shaw are short names. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:30, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oops - I just did a test where I changed one of the page #s from Shaw-35 to Shaw-3 and it did not sort up. The logic must look at the page # field and if it's not obviously a number to not sort the record meaning the entire list is not sorted at the moment but instead we are looking at the MySql record order. Well, back to the drawing board on that one. I thought about creating two standalone publications for the collections and making the dos-a-dos an omnibus. I'd need to add notes explaining that the publications are placeholders and that it's 1/2 of a dos-a-dos. If I want to get sneaky I make both of the collection titles variant titles of each other and they will vanish from the author bibliograpies leaving just the dos-a-dos... <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:46, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Variant help question==<br />
Mike, at [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant#Marking_a_title_record_so_that_it.27s_a_variant_title_of.2C_or_a_pseudonym_for.2C_a_title_that_does_not_exist_yet_in_ISFDB]] is the sentence "In this case it is generally best to make the canonical form of that title the one with the pseudonym." It's the second sentence of the second paragraph and is throwing me for a spin cycle. I believe the first sentence states there is no canonical form yet and so I'm not sure what you were trying to add to the explanation with the second sentence. TIA. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:28, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
:Marc, sorry for the delay on replying on this. That text dates from before I understood how canonical forms controlled bibliographic displays. What I meant was that if, for example, Asimov wrote a story called "Obscure Story" as by "Fred Bloggs", and it had never been published as by Isaac Asimov, then the canonical form would be "Obscure Story" by "Fred Bloggs". My assumption now is that we want every title by author X to use the canonical form of author X in the canonical title. In the example, that would be "Obscure Story" by "Isaac Asimov" and there would be a variant for the version with the pseudonym. I've changed the text in the help to correspond to this but let me know if you think this is not correct. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:28, 10 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:Betancourt/Dawn of Amber series ==<br />
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Mike , i entered a new series title for two books and ended up with two series with a book each. they should be under one series title only. Did i miss a step somewhere? Also with regards to SFBC is it okay to use the codes on the back page for dating books, or list them as 0000-00-00 and put a mention in notes about the code? Like Foster's Midworld L25 p.178 translates into 1981-06-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:48, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Re the series: can you tell me the titles you were working on? From what you say, it should have worked; the only requirement is that the series name matches. For the SFBC, I would use the codes to date books but add a note explaining the source, as not everyone will understand this -- I wouldn't know how to do this myself, for example, though I know that the book clubs have periodically used codes that are traceable to dates. If you can find a reference to a date in another source, such as Locus1, which is pretty good about dating SFBC editions, there's no need to add the confirming note in that case as your verification against the Locus1 source will show where you got the data.<br />
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:Would you consider posting a note to the community portal about the translation of the codes? It would be useful to others; no doubt some people know about it, but not everyone. We might add a note about it to the helptext for the date field. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:58, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:John Gregory Betancourt - Series-Roger Zelazny's the Dawn of Amber.Have a look at www.bookthink.com/0005/05sfb.htm (Collecting the SFBC)they have a good overview and table.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:50, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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Marc, you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSX0000 this pub] of "A Wizard of Earthsea". I noticed you didn't add the "About the Author" and "About the Illustrator" sections -- can you check and see if they're there? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:28, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi Mike - Yes, they are there on an un-numbered page that's just after page 183. I added these to the publication. There is also an exerpt/blurb at the very front of the book just after the cover titled '''The Great Spell'''. The first and last lines are<br />
:* The words of the enchantment hissed and mumbled on Ged's lips, and then he cried out aloud and clearly, "Elfarran!"<br />
:* ... breach clambered something like a clot of black shadow, quick and hideous, and it leaped straight out at Ged's face.<br />
:Google finds the text in the middle of http://www.isibrno.cz/~jakl/genesis/index.php?Thera/book_3.html though the text in the book has been edited down with strategic dot-dot-dots. I don't even know what to call this and thus am not sure if it's in or out per [[Help:Screen:NewPub#What_to_include]]. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 14:08, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Time Dweller ==<br />
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First, I'm back up and running again now (with my MTU tweaked from 1500 to 1458). So hopefully it'll be permanent this time.<br />
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As for the Time Dweller, I did miss this one, but had listed a few others I wanted to go back and look at. I assume I just need to add a new title to the publication, remove the old one from the publication, and make the new record a varient of the original one.<br />
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Your mention of the comic strip in My Experiences in the Third War also reminds me of the ones in New Nature of the Catastrophe (which also contains a music score). I put them all as interior art, but could change them to fiction. Comic Strip might be a sensible option to have, there's also one in Mieville's Looking for Jake. I suppose they could be entered as a short story against the author, with interior art set to the artist. <br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:54, 12 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Cornelius price checks ==<br />
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I'm looking at some Moorcock books you've already verified so thought I'd double check before I go adding duplicates. <br />
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I changed the price of The Final Programme, Quartet 1976 from 75p to 70p.<br />
I've got a copy of The English Assassin Fontana/Collins which only lists the 1979 date but is priced at £1.50<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 17:29, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi -- on The Final Programme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFNLPRGRM1976 this] is the one I verified -- did you mean a different title? My one is definitely 40p, but it's a Mayflower.<br />
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:My "English Assassin" does seem to be the 1979 date. The copyright page says "First published in Great Britain by Alison and Busby Ltd 1972. This revised edition first published by Fontana Paperbacks 1979. Copyright Michael Moorcock 1972." The cover is green and black, with white and yellow lettering; it shows what seems to be a bowl of some sort covered by green cloth. It says "Cover illustration by Bill Sanderson" on the back. Pricing is "U.K. £1.00; Australia $3.50; New Zealand $3.75; Canada $3.50". Does that sound like your copy? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:02, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: Sorry I meant A Cure for Cancer for the Quartet edition. <br />
::I've definitely got £1.50 on the back of The English Assassin, with a black block underneath and then the other prices are the same. Exact same text on copyright page. It must have been an undated stealth reprint. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 01:22, 23 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::I agree -- your "English Assassin" must be a reprint; that black box is a giveaway.<br />
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:::For "A Cure for Cancer" I think we are also looking at a stealth reprint; presumably mine this time, since my copy definitely says 75p. Here's the copyright page text: "Published by Quartet Books 1976 . . . Copyright (C) 1971 by Michael Moorcock. ISBN 0 704 31". The ISBN really is chopped like that. The back cover says "SCIENCE FICTION/ISBN 0 704 31256 5" then U.K. 75p; Australia $2.45; New Zealand $2.30 Canada $2.25". The title page says "Quartet Books", but the logo on the front and spine is the Futura logo, with "Futura" on the front next to the logo. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:42, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::I think these should be sorted out now, though the ordering is unfortunate. I realised I couldn't re-verify one you'd already done so have put yours back to 75p and created a clone for the 70p version. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 19:18, 19 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Other Days, Other Eyes==<br />
Hi Mike - Can you check your Pan edition of ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and see if there is any evidence of<br />
* Mar 1974 publication date - you verified 1974.<br />
* Cover by Mark Harrison - you did not credit anyone<br />
* Is there a note about "First British Paperback Publication?"<br />
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What happened was I did not realize there were two title records for ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and via scanning Amazon/AbeBooks constructed publication records for all of the editions I could find. When I was done I saw the other title record and merged them. My constructed record lists the extra details but I have no idea how the sellers came up with them. Also, does your cover have the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/772788165.jpg lady with the glasses] or the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/171644290.jpg lady in the window]? <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 22:07, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Can't see any evidence of March; it just says "First published 1972 by Victor Gollancz Ltd. This edition published 1974 by Pan Books Ltd" on the copyright page. The cover is the lady with the glasses; no credits for the cover that I can see anywhere. Googling Harrison finds some evidence he's a cover artist so I think this is probably not by him -- the lady in the window is art but the lady in the glasses is a photo. There's no note about "first British paperback publication" anywhere. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:55, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Dancing at the Edge of the World==<br />
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Mike, I see that you verified the Grove Press hardcover edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DNCGEW1989 Dancing at the Edge of the World] with a date of 1990-00-00. My copy, which is otherwise identical in terms of the data shown, anyway, has a date of 1989; is your copy a later printing by chance? Since it's verified, I didn't want to just change it, and I'm wondering if I should enter my copy as a new edition.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 15:36, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I'll check; I am only going to be home about a day between Singapore (where I am now) and Colorado (where I'm going skiing 10-17 March), so if I don't get to it at the end of this week it will be another week or two. By the way, has "Brave New Words" started shipping yet? I checked Amazon and it still shows pre-order status. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:09, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Have fun skiing! I haven't seen any copies yet, so I'm not sure what the status is. My editor stopped working for the press a couple months ago, so my flow of information has also been somewhat disrupted.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 22:14, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: You have not been to the Singapore markets yet to get a bootleg "Brave New Words"? :-) {{Marc Kupper}} 02:21, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958 ==<br />
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Mike, there is what appears to be a duplicate Silverberg article in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INFNTJAN58 Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958]. Jan has submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_remove.cgi?394321 "Title Removal" request], which I then put on hold. Since you did most (if not all) of the work on ''Infinity'' earlier this year, it would probably be best if you could take a look at the issue when you get back. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:40, 8 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
:I'm back from Singapore; off to Colorado tomorrow. Yes, approve it; it's debris from an earlier incomplete clean-up. As I recall, another editor created this using the EDITOR type, so when I followed up I added the ESSAY and then realized the error. Don't know why I missed deleting it, but it can go now. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:40, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
::Done, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:34, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Imagination - wrong year ==<br />
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Should be April 1951 Beyond the Fearful Forest cover --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 16:36, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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Thanks. The pages in my woeful copy were loose from the spine so there could be some other explanation. I'm going to try to track down another copy for my own personal collection before I make such a notation. --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 19:59, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Reference book adoption ==<br />
It's yours, Mike, and there's no charge. Just give me a snail-mail address and I'll send it. ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 13:02, 10 Mar 2007 (CST))<br />
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:Thanks! It's 2511 Great Oaks Parkway, Austin, TX 78756. I appreciate it -- I've been meaning to buy that book for about twenty years now. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:13, 18 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Shipped out today via media mail, so you can expect it in 7-10 days. Enjoy! ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 16:39, 21 Mar 2007 (CDT))<br />
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==Dissolute Diplomat==<br />
Mike, can you check your copy of "Dark Night in Toyland" and see if "Walt Willis" is credited on "Dissolute Diplomat"? My paperback doesn't, which seems strange: British pubs usually stay quite consistent between hc and pb editions. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:00, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:No credit to Willis at all. I checked copyright statement, title page, ToC, and story heading. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 14:19, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Cheers: I finally got around to making the edits, let me know if anything looks wrong. Or if you just wanted the variant the other way round. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 15:55, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Omni or Coll.? ==<br />
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Mike I have a Jules Verne novel(1958) "From the Earth to the Moon -and A Trip Around It(Round the Moon) described as "Modernized Abridgment". From Earth.. is 80 pages and A Trip... is 125 pages. What do you think would be the right classification?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:20, 27 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think I'd call it a novel, still, but I'd put a note on the publication explaining the situation. Using alternative titles (e.g. "<title> (abridged)" has been discussed, but that brings other problems. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:34, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Brin1==<br />
Just a heads-up that you may want to be even more careful with Brin1's edits: I suspect he's constructing publications from reviews, or something equally strange. :-(<br />
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The one that caught my eye was "Judge Dredd: Wetworks" - the publication title is debatable as to whether the "Judge Dredd" is part of the title, but the author is definitely "Dave Stone" rather than "David Stone". (I used to know him quite well, I even used to stay at his house when I was dating one of his house-mates: he's definitely not the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?David%20Stone older David Stone] that we have as a cover-artist that Brin1's edit ended up with.) I've put the title and author back to the correct ones (Brin1's edit at least gave us a pub with a different price) but to keep the review link I've also edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BNDFNTSSCB1995 this magazine] - that may not be correct, but we'd need another "David Stone" even if that's the way it's printed in the magazine. :-/<br />
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I'm not sure if Brin1 has any more surprises up his sleeve, but he's not responding to his talk-page so all it seems I can do is warn the reviewers. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:27, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:OK, thanks for the note. I know I'm not the most thorough moderator we have, so reminders to be extra careful are worth it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:23, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I sure wish there was a way to pop-up a message as I just held few more Brin1 but if s/he is not reading the talk I'm not sure how useful it is to add more notes. Overall, I believe many of the brin1 edits are good and in fact just approved one where I did a double-take as it was a book I have and s/he added a note very much like one I would have added. I had to go look and see if s/he was adding a duplicate pub but it turned out I had not added the book to ISFDB yet. {{Marc Kupper}} 13:58, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::I have been thinking about requiring an e-mail address at account creation time, but then again, it may scare away potential casual contributors, e.g. published authors... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:42, 4 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::::The DB side of things could check for "new messages" and link to the user's talk page. {{Marc Kupper}} 11:35, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Amazing-The Rain of Fish ==<br />
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Mike The essay is included in the contents page but is nowhere in the magazine. My original edit did not include it. Did you read my question about the omni or coll. If a novel has been abriged(severly) is it still a novel or short story?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:26, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think the best thing to do is to put in a note as you have done, but not to add the content record, as the entry does not actually exist. If you agree I'll reject the submission; or if you prefer I can accept it and do a remove-title on the added record. Otherwise let me know how else we might approach this one. Sorry about the slow reply on the other question; I've answered above -- hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:36, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: I thought it best to include what was in the contents page, because the essay maybe referenced somewhere else and if someone was looking for it they would find the note about it not being in the magazine. Although if you think its best than delete the submission. On the other question i'll treat them as novels and enter it as an omni, but not tonight have to go to london tomorrow, will be gone for a couple of days.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:00, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden ==<br />
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Mike, you verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THVSNRWNDR1984 The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden: Audubon's Early Years] by Le Guin and Sanders back in December. Would you say that, at 79 pages, Sanders's piece is a novella (as Locus describes it)? And do we want to change "Authors: uncredited" to Le Guin and Sanders? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:49, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Aargh. I hate estimating lengths. I'll do a rough word count on a page, and multiply, and see what I get. Re "uncredited": this format was based on an approach discussed on the CP, though I don't think there was a consensus. The idea was that a dos-a-dos book should be done as an anonymous omnibus, since placing authors at the pub level implied collaboration. The contents then get appropriate attribution at the title level. The discussion was really about Ace doubles, but of course it applies here too (these are dos-a-dos). So if you want to change them, that's fine, but I'm not sure it's worth it till we get a consensus on the definitive approach to doubles. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:00, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification! I do remember the dos-a-dos discussion, alhtough it occurred while I was mostly busy elsewhere, so I may not have done it justice. Personally, I am inclined to enter dos-a-dos Authors at the Publication level as well since I tend to think of "uncredited" as something that we would want to use exclusively for anonymous authors and editors. However, it's not a huge deal and I can certainly wait until we sort it all out. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:51, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Well, I don't think that others are necessarily entering dos-a-dos works in the same way. Personally I think the right answer is a change in the software to permit special handling for this kind of book, but that will have to wait. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:19, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Aldiss/Starswarm ==<br />
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Mike, can you check and see if your copy has "Sector Grey" spelled with an "e" or "a" my copy is spelled "Gray" if yours is "e" than mine is a variant, thanks. I see my Rain of Fish is still on hold(to keep or not to keep that is the question?):-)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:46, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Always Coming Home ==<br />
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Do you think this should be classified as a collection? Some of the stories/songs appeared in other works but as there are so many publications it'll be a pain to add all of the stories to each one.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHMR1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon and am pretty sure it matches your edition as I have a copy.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWYSCH1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon but am unsure if it matches your edition.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHML1986}} which you also verified - You have the ISBN as 0-575-038555-1 but that's one digit too long though ISFDB does not complain about it. I guess the only clue is the header is "Catalog ID:" and not "ISBN." I believe the ISBN should be 0-575-03855-1 as in {{amazon|0575038551}} and {{amazon.co.uk|0575038551}} and so updated the publication record.<br />
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{{Marc Kupper}} 19:08, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think of it as a novel; a reverse fixup, if you like -- bits are easily publishable elsewhere. Yes, both images are right; and I rechecked the ISBN and you are correct on the fix -- good catch. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:47, 19 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Mankind Under the Leash, Thomas M. Disch ==<br />
Mike, you verified the first Ace [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?PLNTXLE1966 publication] of this title, but did so showing the author(s) as "Uncredited." Did you mean that about the cover artist or the writer(s)? I was scanning an eBay auction today, and saw a copy with Disch's name on the cover... ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 21:04, 27 May 2007 (CDT))<br />
:Hi, Scott -- it's uncredited because of the approach I was taking at the time, which is that an Ace double is an omnibus with an anonymous editor. The individual books get credited to the authors, but the overall title is not credited to either.<br />
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:The alternative is to credit the book to both, which just seems ugly to me. I think that the right answer, long-term, is to have special display logic for anonymous omnibuses or dos-a-dos books. For now, deal with it however you think best -- we never reached a consensus to use this approach, though there was no agreement on any other representation of dos-a-dos books either. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 13:58, 29 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: I personally credit both authors though know the [[Template:PublicationFields:Author|help]] says to state it as "N/A" though {{a|n/a}} shows that that only one person read and followed that bit of help implying the help page should be updated to drop the reference to "N/A" but I'm not sure if people-consensus is that they use "uncredited" or state the author names. {{Marc Kupper}} 15:00, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Welcome back ==<br />
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Mike, I see you must have had more than two consecutive minutes for ISFDB recently and so figured I'd welcome you back and may even send you some DAW verifications to look into though not until the weekend. {{Marc Kupper}} 14:46, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: Yes, welcome back! I know I've added some DAW stuff recently (from Josh Kirby cover-art references mostly, I think, and all the pages they led me to) so there is probably work to be done fixing up my and/or my publications errors. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:04, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Page numbers for artwork ==<br />
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I want to modify the help on interiorart so it explicity states what was relayed to me by Ahasuerus, namely, "Listing the first page on which a piece of art appears". The magazine used as an example is the December 1956 issue of '''Infinity'''. The first piece of artwork for the Lesser story is actually on page nine although the database entry lists it as page five. Since it is also acceptable (though not mandatory) to print the page number for each piece of art (and help should reflect this more explicitly) it seems like the actual page number where the art appears should used. Clarification?--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 11:14, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think there has been some debate on where to enter the artwork page number. If I recall correctly, I was arguing for making the page number the same as that of the story. The reason was that I thought it was likely we would not enter every single illo for a story; we would only record the fact that story X was illustrated by author Y. In that case, the page number couldn't in general reflect the page number of the artwork, so it seemed sensible to use the page number on which the story started.<br />
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:I don't think we ever got complete consensus on it, but we did agree that ''if'' you're entering every illo, you obviously do put the artwork in with page numbers referring to each illo in turn. The problem with that approach, for me, was that there were no titles for the illos; it didn't really seem to me that the multiple illos were separate delivered artefacts, any more than we index the chapters in a novel separately. But there was no consensus, so I suggest you do something consistent and reasonable and document it in the help. Does that make sense? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:55, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I am going to change it to say that the first page where artwork is found should be used. Al and Ahasuerus intended this. It will save editing time if an eventual consensus is reached that all pages should be entered, which is what Al would like to do. Artists like Virgil Finlay and Hannes Bok take my breath away every time I come across a piece of their work; I consider each piece they do a seperate masterpiece.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 08:13, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::: I haven't been entering every illustration, but may eventually: as usual Marc keeps raising the bar. I notice that even he doesn't enter it all as Interiorart though, e.g. see what he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WHNTHGRNST0000 did here]. The titles are ''paraphrases'' of text in the main novel. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 12:43, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: There ya go - makin'un 'ple of me 'gin. :-) The publication I entered should be viewed as an exception rather than as a "standard" on how to treat illustrations. In that case I entered the illustrations as the publication was unusual in several ways. 1) It has a list of illustrations page. 2) DAW books rarely have interior art. 3) The drawings are cool. I started to the enter the illustrations in the ISFDB contents but then realized they were titled using paraphrased text and did not have actual titles and so went with the publication notes.<br />
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:::: FWIW - I don't have a strong opinion on if and how illustrations should be entered. In one case I carefully described the illustrations for a Ursula Le Guin book, including the little dohickies at the start of each chapter and top of each page as the story had been reprinted by several publishers and I wanted other editors to be able to title-merge illustration credits if possible or if they cloned the publication to know if they should delete the illustrator credit. Usually though I just note the artist's name and either no page #, the first page of a story if there is more than one illustration, or the page # of the illustration if there's just one. The primary goal is to acknowledge that the person did the work so that if someone wants to collect a particular illustrator's work they will know where to find it. {{Marc Kupper}} 22:07, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Change to verified pub Infinity, October 1956 ==<br />
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Changed Infinity's Choice from short story to essay because it is book review column.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 07:40, 26 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Runestaff ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added the cover-art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 your verified pub] if you'd like to check it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:15, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars ==<br />
Another heads-up that I added the price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123671 your edition] based on the review I found. Are the notes clear enough for your taste? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 07:28, 20 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson's After Doomsday ==<br />
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Mike, can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965 this verified edition] of Anderson's novel and see if the catalog number in the db is correct? Tuck shows the catalog number is 1798. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:25, 22 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Tuck's right; don't know why I made that mistake, but I'm glad you spotted it. I've fixed it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:19, 28 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I've added a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128141 cover image] --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 16:47, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie ==<br />
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Added a cover and artist update to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?STRPRNCCHR1976 Star Prince Charlie]. Does it match? [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 07:31, 9 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson, The Warriors From Nowhere ==<br />
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Copied from verification page.<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1980 Agent of the Terran Empire] Ace, 0-441-01066-0 it's The Warriors From Nowhere. In the other four publications of that title it's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?62695 Warriors from Nowhere]. Can someone with one of those pubs please check. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1977 Coronet] edition was verified by Mike Christie, I'll ask on his talk page also. Thats a British edition, so I'd still like to know about the other US editions. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 22:41, 13 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: Mike, I've added cover-art to that pub as I believe I have the identical edition. I'll respond to the verification request as well. However, I also corrected the "Honourable Enemies" entry back to the British spelling it actually has, so please double-check that too - I'm beginning to worry about US printings being overstamped for the UK market, although I've not seen that in Coronet yet. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 13:10, 14 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Home page protected ==<br />
Mike - your home page has turned into a target for OamTra. I protected it as it looks like the only people who normally edit it are moderators but did not add <nowiki>{{protected}}</nowiki>. Your user-talk page is still unprotected. {{Marc Kupper}} 23:50, 22 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added cover-art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 verified pub] and standardised the ISBN. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:38, 27 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
And cover-art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16086 this pub]. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:30, 9 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Merman's Children ==<br />
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I've added the cover art[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22013] plus a note about the printing.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:51, 11 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Caviar ==<br />
DGeiser13 added art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6458 verified pub], please check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 10:49, 13 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash ==<br />
I've added covers to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26239 Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash] if you'd like to check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 09:39, 28 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Butterfly Kid ==<br />
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I added cover art to your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36689 this novel]. As I have the same edition I can safely assume it has the same cover as yours. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:38, 7 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Sword and the Stallion ==<br />
Can you please check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSWRDNDTH1984 verified pub] - the Publisher and ISBN don't seem to match up. (Panther would normally be an 0586 prefix.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:29, 24 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== change to title in pub you verified ==<br />
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I'm changing an author's name in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?806309 this omnibus (Ace double)] from "Avaram Davidson" to "Avram Davidson". I think everything in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RCNNNSW1966 the pub itself], which is what you're listed as having verified, actually had it correctly. Please let me know if this is a problem. Thanks! -- [[User:Davecat|Dave (davecat)]] 16:07, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Mike is on an extended ISFDB vacation, so we may want to repost this request on the Verification board in case somebody has a copy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:44, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oh, I see that you have already posted on the Help Desk! Never mind then :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:53, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Could you please check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89769 this pub] you have verified; I would like to know if ''112 • Strictly Confidential • shortfiction'' was by Gordon Dickson or Gordon R. Dickson. Something wrong happened to the author's record and we are trying to recover the missing info. Thanks. I'm also posting this on the [[ISFDB:Verification_requests|Verification board]]. --[[User:Roglo|Roglo]] 15:16, 11 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== The Star Fox ==<br />
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I have uploaded an image for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117861 verified publication] plus added a couple of notes. {{Marc Kupper}} 04:49, 23 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== Note to the outside world ==<br />
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It would be great if we could co-ordinate our work with yours. I would be glad to re-prioritize some of the tasks I am likely to do if they are consistent with your goals. I think I have pretty much exhausted my collector's budget for a lifetime but I do have nearly all of the mags from the 50's and the major titles from the 60's. My collection is quite accessible so if I have a pub that is not in your collection feel to ask questions.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 21:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't think I'll have much need for you to reprioritize data entry -- I have good index references, as well as having a decent collection (if not as good as Ahasuerus's). If I do have a need to look at a 50s or 60s issue that I don't have, I'll definitely ask you. That could come up if I have a question about something that the indexes don't cover, such as circulation figures, in an issue I don't have. Thanks for the offer.<br />
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:One thing that the ISFDB doesn't do well, though the data is there, is to look at a magazine over a period of time. For example, in the bibliographic details for each magazine, I like to be able to list the changes in page count and size, and the use of different internal features like letters, or science articles. There's no easy way to do most of this in the ISFDB, though you can look up this information issue by issue. At least it's there. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Circulation figures ==<br />
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Mike Ashley's ''Gateways to Forever'' which covers the sf mags of the 70's also has tables in Appendix 5 which list magazine circulation figures for 1962 through 1980.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 15:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Outstanding! Thanks for letting me know; I have that book but hadn't noticed. Much appreciated! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::Just stopping by to say "Hi!" and point out that your signature link to the Talk page seems to be broken :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::A link to the page being displayed always shows as bold rather than a clickable link. That is a feature of the MediaWiki software. Look at any of my sigs on my talk page. [[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 17:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, very devious! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Fox versus H. Fox ==<br />
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I've taken the liberty of adjusting several of your verified pubs to reflect the cover-artist as I read the signature. There's an [[Bio:H._Fox|H. Fox]] that seems to have done many of the Badger Books and Magazines, but I don't think it's the same person as [[Bio:Fox|Fox (no "H"]]. If you've got a magnifying glass handy, and some spare time for ISFDB, can you please check to see if there's a little "H" under the "Fox" on your Badger covers? The "Fox" probably also has an underline coming off the "X". The most dubious edit I made was probably to {{P|BDGRSNS73|name=Supernatural Stories Number 73}} which has a slightly different signature to my eyes, see [http://www.peltorro.com/sn073.jpg here]. But I'm working from secondary sources so a good Primary re-check would be good. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date to verified ==<br />
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I added a printing date to your verified THE TOMBS OF ATUAN (THTMBSFTNS1980). from a later printing.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarians of Mars ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added the artist J. Cawthorn to your verified ''{{p|123151|name=Barbarians of Mars}}''. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 06:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Ground Zero Man ==<br />
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Added $AUS & $NZ prices to {{P|GRNDZM1971A}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG01136] . My copy matches yours except the copyright pages says "First Pocket Books printing December 1984". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 22:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Hi, Mike! Just did a Currey and Transient on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} and there is a signature on the bottom left corner of the cover (not Powers') but I can't quite make it out. Maybe you can recognize it?--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling-cover artist not Vaughn Andrews ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THTLLNG2000] . My copy matches your verification. This is the cover. [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DAS01XMPL.jpg] . In checking the backcover inner flap I found this in my copy. Jacket art (figures) copyright Hulton-Deutsch Collection / CORBIS (over) Jacket design by Vaughn Andrews. As I understand it, Andrews was not the cover artist. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 23:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Pan edition of Case and the Dreamer ==<br />
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Locus #199 (February 1977) gives a January 1977 publication for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CSNDTHDRMR1974 your verified edition] of this title. Does your copy show a publication date or the copyright date of 1974? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I own the same edition I believe (that's my cover, with the sticker damage). The copyright page only gives copyright date of 1974, no clear printing date. It's also erroneous in that it gives "Case and the Dreamer"'s original printing as Galaxy January 1972 rather than 1973. I'm happy to move this to 1977-01-00 if the rest of you are. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::That was one of the very first verifications and Mike hasn't been active here in over a year, so I think it's safe to correct the record and take over the verification. I believe that Mike is still active on Wikipedia, so if you want to be 110% sure, you can drop him a note there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barefoot in the Head ==<br />
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Added some prices and a note about no credited artist to your verified pub {{P|BRFTNTHHDQ1974}}. Mant of the verifiers have said they don't need to have a note if all I am adding is various prices. Please let me know your preferences. Thanks & cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 17:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THGHTMNTHR1975}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THMLCTPSTS1978}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Dialogue With Darkness ==<br />
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Added some notes to your verified pub {{P|DLGWDRK1985}} re: first printing, CDN ISBN shown as well, $C price. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie 2 ==<br />
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Massaged the notes of {{P|STRPRNCCHR1976}} as, with a small magnifying lens, the signature is quite legible. Not sure if all or part of the original notes were yours or DCarson's. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Do note that two sections of a talk page with the same title (e.g. "Star Prince Charlie") will misdirect those of us checking Recent Changes. It's always good to make the section name unique. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Wasn't aware of that! I haven't checked previous contents of a talk page before, but now I will. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Manifold: Origin ==<br />
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Added some notes to {{P|MNFLDRGN2003}} about first PB edition and printing; no artist; $c price and that there is an excerpt in the back. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile/ Mankind.... ==<br />
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Added the two interior artworks (both by Gaughan) to the contents of {{P|PLNTXLE1966}} with notes and some for cover statements, page counts, etc. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roccanon's World/Kar-chee Reign ==<br />
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One of the two interior art pieces (Kar-Chee half) has Gaughan's "JG" on it. {{P|RCNNNSW1966}} Amended the notes. Also added Wolheim's introduction to Rocannon's world to the contents. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mars Monopoly/The Man Who Lived Forever ==<br />
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Added cover images and some notes to {{P|TMNWLF1956}}. ~BIll, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Found Powers' signature on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} (''rmpowers'') on the bottom left corner of the front cover. Added that to the field and amended the notes. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added a cover to your verified {{p|7202|City of Illusions}}. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 03:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Four Ways to Forgiveness ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|FRWYSTFRG1995}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling [2]==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THTLLNG2000}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orphan Star-added cover image/notation ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPHNSTRGXG1977]. I added the cover image and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 01:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Flinx in Flux- added cover/notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG03465]. I added the cover as per my copy compared to your ver. I added notation and deleted map to change it to "The Blight"(space map)(Flinx in Flux). I took the titling from the upper left corner, which explains the extent under the title. Note the two current space empires appear below it. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Bloodhype-- added cvoer image/ notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLDHPBTQRR1978]. I added the cover image as per my copy's match of your ver and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Plus the note "Stated 3rd printing of March 1973 Del Rey edition." was expanded. Approved. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 21:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing Planes ==<br />
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Added notes and the interior illustrations to {{P|CHNGNGPLNS2003}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Eye of the Heron ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THYFTHHRN1983}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 pub] appears to be an amalgamation of two different pubs: the Wallaby trade paperback first edition and the Tor paperback edition, both of which are already in the database. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THLFTHNDFD1976 THLFTHNDFD1976]. Stumbled across it while looking for one for my later printing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Midworld ==<br />
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Added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDWRLDFFCD1976 MDWRLDFFCD1976] that matches my copy of the same 1st edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Content titles in Mission to Moulokin ==<br />
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Hi. I added my 1st printing ''Mission to Moulokin'' by cloning your {{P|MSSNTMLKNX1979}} 2nd printing entry. I noticed that the bare "About the Author" and "Map" content titles don't conform to the current practice of embedding the containing work title parenthetically. Of course, there's also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Titles_for_Maps_as_Content this discussion] about titling maps, but be that as it may.... I was thinking that while I noticed it I would change the title records. If I understand correctly, I would edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268211 About the Author] title and this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268201 Map] title. And then since I don't know how it all ties together, I'd go check the pubs with content using those titles and verify that the change was reflected in them. :-)<br />
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Do you agree, and, if so, is the above the right way to go about it? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul ==<br />
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I added coverart and some notes on your verified pub {{P|BKTG05433}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 17:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I added Wilson McLean as coverartist (credited on the copyrightpage). Thanks [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge ==<br />
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I added a cover image and notes to your verified pub {{P|THGLDNBRGF1979}}--[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 02:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions -- notes and interiorart ==<br />
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I added a Jack Gaughan INTERIORART credit and some notes to your verfied {{P|CTYLLSNS1967}} based on my copy of the same edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Other Wind ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|OTHRWND2001}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|WZRDFRTHSR0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Wind's Twelve Quarters ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|THWNDSTWLV0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to user rights ==<br />
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Just to let you know that there was a discussion of the best way to handle inactive moderators over on [[ISFDB talk:Policy]]. The executive summary of the discussion is that a moderator who hasn't been active for a over a year will have a hard time keeping up with all the policy and software changes that we have been going through. [[ISFDB:Policy]] has been updated accordingly and, since you haven't been active since mid-2007, I have turned your "moderator" flag off, so when you come back, you won't be able to approve submissions. No need to panic, though :) as we have a list of [[Moderator Qualifications]] and you can reclaim the ability to approve submissions once you go through the process. Hope to see you again when you have time for the ISFDB! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in the Far Future / Tales of Outer Space (Ace Double D-73) ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|ADVFFTOS1954}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|BFFLGLSNDT1990}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's Always Coming Home ==<br />
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Are you certain about the date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LWYSCH1985 this pb edition] of the title? That is very close to the hardcover edition, and before the UK edition. There is a record almost identical dated January 1987. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 17:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars [2]==<br />
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Added cover images to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WRRRSFMRSL1965 this]] and the other two Compact pub records. The price is clear in the image if you want to adjust the notes. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Sundered Worlds ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDRDWRL1965]]--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, October 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover photo to your verified pub: {{P|FANTUNIVOCT1956}} -- [[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 09:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - August 1958 - Cover ==<br />
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I Added a cover image to you pub {{P|FANTUNIVAUG1958}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - Cover Photos ==<br />
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I added covers to your verified pubs: {{P|FANTUNIVAUGSEP1953}} {{P|FANTUNIVJUL1954}} {{P|FANTUNIVJAN1959}} --[[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 18:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Touch of Strange'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/ciu/5d/ac/9b54012912a0480bb0702210.L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|TCHFSTRNGZ1978|A Touch of Strange}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash - Publication Month ==<br />
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I identified the month of publication for {{P|PLNTXLE1966|Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash}} as October based on the information in the third printing of {{P|PLNTFXLNJZ1973|Planet of Exile}}. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 04:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape - replaced cover image ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37543]. I matched your ver and found the image url broken. I replaced it matching my copy. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?EPLBSU1956] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyond Fantasy Fiction #9 -- Queen's Mate questions ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|BEYONDF91954|Beyond Fantasy Fiction, # 9 1954}} is a Jean M. Janis shortstory, {{T|81609|Queen's Mate}}, and on the same page an inteview by Ashman, also titled {{T|236851|Queen's Mate}}. Is this correct, and, if so, what author is the subject of the interview, Janis? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Never mind. I found a scan and know it should be INTERIORART instead of INTERVIEW. I will submit a change. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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I added a cover image to your verified pub {{P|BKTG01136}}. I also changed the publication date from 11/84 to 12/84 as is listed on the copyright page. If you have additional information that indicates the earlier publication, let me know and I'll change it back. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 01:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added the roman numberd pages and the introductory essays to your verified pub {{P|THBRKNSWRD1971}}. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 04:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THWRDFRWRL1976] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ace Double D-162 [2]==<br />
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Added artist credits for both covers courtesy of the ACE Image Library to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== U. F. O. 517 ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:FWSSZLBBFG1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== What Entropy Means to Me ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WHTNTRPMNS0000.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89801 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 12:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:CCHLTFMVBL1980.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Medusa's Children - added cover image/start page number ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDSCHL1980]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LUIB9NV8L.jpg], and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 12:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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Added a cover image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Catalog ID ==<br />
I've uniformated this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFCFXVTGJ1960 CatalogID]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== M. D'Antona ==<br />
The cover of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLCKBSSXBN1960 publication] is not credited, but the artist is M. D'Antona: see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RMNZDRNNCG1959 Urania #213]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:06, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Badger Books ==<br />
I've modified for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSTRNGNSP1963 publication] the publisher in '''Badger''' to make uniform the publisher.--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 07:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified the title of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105991 publication] as ''Out of This World: Supernatural Stories, No. 15'' and added a cover--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106001 SN38]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106151 SN46]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THGLDNCHLC1961 SN50]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 19:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106171 SN60]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month and cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106181 SN66]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 13:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106191 SN70]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106201 SN73]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106231 SN98]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 22:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, artist at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106241 SN102]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BDGRSNS105 SN105]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Volteface'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YD0OLhh-L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|VLTFCXZQJV1977|Volteface}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Bull and the Spear ==<br />
I added the cover artist to your verified pub {{P|THBLLNDTHS1975}} after having verified it at [http://www.multiverse.org/imagehive/v/bookcovers/books/mikebooks/tbats/ this] site. I noted my source and added the non UK pricing while I was in there. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Fireclown ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THFRCLWNHQ1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122431 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Searoad ==<br />
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Added an image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SEARD1991 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 02:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rainbow Abyss ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|1314781|The Rainbow Abyss}}. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 08:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Equator ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?QTRNDSGRGT1973 Equator] but the copyright page of my book states "first nel paperback edition june 1973" and below "Reprinted june 1973", two printing for the same month ? Do you think I must create a new publication ? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Helliconia spring ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HLLCNSPRNC1983 Equator] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Report on probability A ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPRTNPRBBL1973 Report on probability A] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The corridors of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCRRDRSFT1975] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mirkheim ==<br />
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I also have a 1986 version of this book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MRKHMWJPVD1986 here] but the price is £ 2.50 and it is stated "reprinted 1983,1986 (twice)" on copyright page, which suggests a fourth printing overall. Can you verify your copy so that i can eventually add this printing. BTW, the artist if Peter Elson (see PE on the ship bottom left). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== No world of their own ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NOWORLD1962 here] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== For Love of Mother-Not ==<br />
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Added cover for {{P|14161|For Love of Mother-Not}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 04:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of Time - artist added/confirmed/notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]. I added Bruce Pennington as artist after confirmation in "Ultraterranium" by Bruce Penningtion, page 20. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Dec 1959 - added cover/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVDEC1959]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LI6PZ39BL.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Mar 60 - added cover image/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVMAR1960]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515BPYUeu5L.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two", page 68. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Incorporated Knight ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|107861|The Incorporated Knight}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 19:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THBRKNSWRD1971 The Broken Sword] to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?26 Ballantine Adult Fantasy] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:23, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LFTHNDDRKNSS1969 The Left Hand of Darkness]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDRTHS1970 A Wizard of Earthsea]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 One Million Tomorrows]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1 Ace Double] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 04:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I added an interior art credit for Tschirky to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WTS1948 verified pub]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== cover for ''Gloriana'' ==<br />
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[[User:Dsorgen|Dsorgen]] has added a cover to your verified {{P|128191|Gloriana}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:31, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Norton Book of Science Fiction: North American Science Fiction, 1960-1990 ==<br />
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Add a cover image and a note on the printing line to {{P|NRTNBKSF19XX|your verified pub}}. Thanks. --[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 14:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Note on "Eye of the Heron" ==<br />
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I added a note to your verified pub {{P|THYFTHHRN1983|Eye of the Heron}} that the artist's signature is on the front cover. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals, by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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The anthology [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39287 Buffalo Gals] has 5 different verified editions. Three of those include a content listing for "Come Into Animal Presence", poem by Denise Levertov, on p. 14. Two publications, including [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BFFLGLSNDT1990 your verified] edition does not include that content listing. Could you check your copy to see if that belongs in there? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's there; page 14. Sorry I missed it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I think the original TOC must have been pulled from Locus (or somewhere), and they missed it, since three versions (2 verified and 1 unverified) had that item omitted. I've added that poem to this collection, and the other two have been updated similarly. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover for Tehanu ==<br />
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[[User:Bgibbard|Bgibbard]] has added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/2/21/THLSTB1990.jpg this cover] to your verified {{P|1530114|Tehanu}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka! ==<br />
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There appears to be two records for the same pub, and they've been verified by two different editors. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 Yours] is dated 1983, and I'm pretty sure the mass-market edition wasn't published until 1984. It also gives the publisher as Wallaby, who only published the trade paperback edition. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKA1985 other verified record] has the same ISBN, price and page count as the record you verified. Can you check them out when you get a chance? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow on Heaven ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128501 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Tales from Earthsea'' ==<br />
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I've added a cover image, from Amazon, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34251 verified copy] of this edition. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Among Out Contributors" ==<br />
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Hi, I assume this should be "Our" instead of "Out" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?224941 here] [[User:Jonschaper|Jonschaper]] 01:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Virgin Planet (Mayflower-Dell 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I've found a scan saying the price is 3/6 on [http://www.sfreviews.com/displays/Poul%20Anderson_1959_Virgin%20Planet.htm SF Reviews].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I added the price and the scan I used for the price. You remark in the note field coul;d therefore be dropped.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compass Rose'', by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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In keeping with what has become the current standard, I've updated the page count in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 verified copy] of this publication from "271" to "xii+271". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== More than Human ==<br />
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Hi, I've made {{P|94731|More than Human}} part of the ''Corgi SF Collector's Library'' series. I also added the ISBN number.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Treshold ==<br />
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Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|101341|Treshold (Panther, 1982)}} into Panther / Granada on account of the name Granada being the sole publisher named on the cover (to be more exact: on the spine) and also being named on the title page (as was already stated in the notes). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:15, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a coverscan and notes (there weren't any) for {{P|112391|Enemies of the System (Triad Panther, 1980)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:And he also added a cover scan and note to your verified {{P|112491|Last Orders}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I've also changed the complete title to "Enemies of the System: A Tale of Homo Uniformis" to reflect the information given on the title page. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Starswarm ==<br />
Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|107201|Starswarm (1985)}} from Panther Books - imprint of Granada into Panther / Granada, added a coverscan and elaborated the notes, especially about the confusing mentioning of publisher names on this book (Grafton, Panther and Granada al being mentioned at some place). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a scan for {{P|131151|A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows (Sphere, 1984)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness Ursula K. Le Guin 1983 ==<br />
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Could you check a cover from this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100971 pub]? I think it may be the same cover from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189029 1st] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?119161 3rd] editions by Tim White. [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 16:05, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Quest for Tanelorn ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128231 The Quest for Tanelorn] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 23:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Phoenix in Obsidian ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128121 Phoenix in Obsidian] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 00:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency ==<br />
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Hi, I have submitted cover and artist for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10224 pub]. --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 20:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Ursula K. Le Guin cover images ==<br />
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I've added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100861 Eye of the Heron] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 The Compass Rose]. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Word for World Is Forest", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the cover artist for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100801 verified publication], based on the "Powers" signature at the bottom right corner, and the identification of this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Powers_LAZ_org.jpg signature] in our collection of artists' signatures. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I have added all the notes to {{P|2325|Always Coming Home}}. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 19:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, April 1956 ==<br />
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I linked to a cover scan for the April 1956 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89730 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, May 1954 ==<br />
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I've linked to a cover image for the May 1954 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89681 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:20, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== DAW Collectors publication series ==<br />
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In filling out the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1544 DAW Collectors Books] publication series, I have a question about a book that you verified. C. J. Cherryh's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?195933 Fires of Azeroth], 3rd printing, has a note with the "DAW Collector's Number". Since many reprint editions didn't actually list this number, I was hoping you could tell me whether this note was "inherited" from other editions of the book, or whether it actually appears on this edition of the book, and if so, where -- e.g. on the cover, the spine, or the copyright page. Thanks much, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Added additional international prices ==<br />
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I added the other prices to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116591][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25131][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Unlocking the Air and Other Stories ==<br />
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Expanded the notes for {{P|52881|Unlocking the Air and Other Stories}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Malacia Tapestry by Brian W. Aldiss ==<br />
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Only chimera was used for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115621 this] cover from art by Peter Goodfellow (from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401733 The Flights of Icarus]). [[User:BarDenis|Denis]] 20:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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Added scan and notes for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93991 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Lathe of Heaven ==<br />
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Added cover image and notes to {{P|100821|this pub}}. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 17:07, 1 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Solomon Leviathan", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a cover image, and a couple of minor notes, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101371 verified copy] of this publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist for "The Dispossessed" (first printing of Gollancz SF Masterwork edition) ==<br />
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Hi. You did a Locus1 verification of {{P|109841|this pub}}, which is why I am contacting you. I believe the pub you verified has the wrong cover artist (Jim Burns), and I would like to fix this. Some background: I own a {{P|404674|3rd printing}} of the book where Chris Moore is credited as the cover artist. Rtrace owns a {{P|289330|6th printing}} of the book where Jim Burns is credited. In addition, Locus1 ([http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/b27.htm#A859 current link]) has a credit for Chris Moore for the first printing. This leads me to believe that the first few printings of the book miscredited the cover art (to Chris Moore), and that the publisher fixed the credit in either the 4th, 5th or (at the latest) the 6th printing. I propose the following changes to the first printing you verified (and will implement them if you agree):<br />
* Set the cover artist to "Chris Moore". Even though we know the attribution is probably false, it is the name that appears in Locus1, and thus probably also on the physical book<br />
* Add a note to the pub record (similar to the one in my verified pub) that explains the situation to future editors<br />
* Unrelated, but while I am already editing the pub record: Remove the "volume 16" note, since nowadays the publication series is recorded in a dedicated field<br />
Sorry for being so verbose, I didn't know how to explain this in less words. What do you think about the proposal? Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 15:06, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Unbound ==<br />
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I believe that {{P|358878|this pub}} is the exact same printing as {{P|115631|this pub}} that you PV'ed, and that the two records could therefore be merged. To confirm (or disprove) my theory, could you please have a look at the copyright page of your book and check the printing history that you find there? For comparison, in my book it says<br />
* Published by Triad/Panther Books 1982<br />
* Reprinted 1985<br />
I am not sure how Panther records same-year reprints, but I believe it is rather unlikely that they made two reprints of that book in 1985. Thanks for your time, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- yes, the copyright page matches exactly, so I think you're right. Re The Dispossessed above: I would suggest you go ahead on the basis of your judgement. I don't have that edition, and have no memory of whatever I did to do the verification via Locus. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Sorry for this (very) late follow-up, but I still had this "Frankenstein Unbound" issue on my TODO list from 1.5 years ago. I notice that your verified pub is still around - if you're still willing to go through with this, then I think the simplest way to do it would be for you 1) to delete the pub record that you PV'ed, then 2) to just add yourself to the list of primary verifiers on the other pub. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a couple of notes to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101081 verified publication], i.e. everything after the first note. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 09:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 Cachalot]<br /><br />
Clarifying no number line in notes, adding LCCN from copyright page. Notifying all verifiers.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 14:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Terry Pratchett's Hogfather ==<br />
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Is [[http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514xkYhoiTL.jpg this link]] the cover for {{P|108081|your copy of Hogfather}}? I also have the 11th printing, same ISBN, and that is the cover on mine. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 23:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, that's the same cover as on mine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:20, 12 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, I have added it to the publication. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I would also like to make the following changes/additions: change Pages from 354 to 354+{16} to include unnumbered pages at the end, change page for The World of Terry Pratchett from 355 to [355] to indicate it is un-numbered, add note that cover artist is not credited in book. Is that OK? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I count ten leaves after 354 in my copy; the last two are just advertising, so perhaps you're not counting them? The other changes are fine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I thought it was ISBDB policy not to count the ads in the back of books, but now that I look at the [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] I don't see that. Not sure what is "standard." I was just counting the pages that have "The World of Terry Pratchett" on them. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I think I wrote the first draft of that help page, six or seven years ago; I have no memory of any discussion on that point. How about asking at the community portal to see what others do? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I was thinking of the "contents" area, where we definitely do not include ads. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 21:55, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Language of the Night ==<br />
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I see you did a Locus1 verification of the first US revised edition of {P|42684|The Language of the Night.} Did Locus1 give the publication date as 1992-05-00? My copy in hand has only one indication of the publication month, which is a small code of "0692P" on the inside flap of the front cover. I'm thinking I should note the discrepancy in the Notes. Amazon.com says 1992-05-00 for the date, too, but I don't know how reliable that is. Can't find any info on HarperCollins website (too long ago, no doubt). [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 00:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, haven't really been active here for years, so whatever verification I did I have no memory of. I do have a copy of Language of the Night but don't recall which edition it is; I can pull it and take a look if you like. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, more interested in seeing the Locus1 information -- or is that available on-line somewhere? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::OK, found it on-line [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b291.htm#TOP Locus1] but now I am not sure how to interpret what I see. The line for this book says " +The Language of the Night: Essays on Fantasy and Science Fiction (HarperCollins 0-06-016835-8, May ’92 [Jun ’92], $20.00, 250pp, hc, cover by Steve McLeod) Non-fiction collection of 24 essays and other non-fiction pieces about fantasy and sf, with introductions to each section. This edition has been extensively revised by the author; the original was published by Putnam in 1979 and edited by the late Susan Wood. First American edition of the revised edition (Women’s Press 1989)."<br />
::So, what do I make of the "May ’92 [Jun ’92]" business? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:20, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::That's also something that someone at the Community Portal might know. My best guess would be that the two dates are the official publication date and the date the book actually first appeared; they're certainly not always the same. I remember seeing a 1998 copyright book on a station bookstall in late December 1997. I don't know which would be which, though the later one is more likely to be the official one. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 03:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::The date in brackets is given as being [Date first seen] in the physical copies of the Bronw/Contento indexes. For me, when this date is only slightly later than the Publication Date, it doesn't have any bibliographic meaning(only that Locus' mail was peraphs delayed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Diana Wynne Jones' ''Changeover'' ==<br />
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When a work such as this one is borderline, we tend to err on the side of inclusion. I've added a description to the title record which would lend credence to the work being speculative fiction, but perhaps not science fiction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:OK. Thanks for the note. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe ==<br />
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Hello, have added covers (from galactic central) for several of your verified issues of "Fantastic Universe". Thank you. [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]] 00:23, 14 February 2013 (UTC).<br />
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== The Garden on the Moon ==<br />
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Hello, I accepted your submission. There are a few open questions left, however: 1) Well, the English translation is from 1965, so the date for the introduction should be also 1965 (we handle translations as substantially different texts). 2) Maybe it'd be better to rename the Introduction as 'Introduction (Garden on the Moon)'. As at this point we only have one Introduction by Boulle, but it seems possible if not likely that there will be others (and we differentiate same titles by giving the information in parenthesis). 3)If it's really 'The Garden on the Moon' and not 'Garden on the Moon' this would really have to be made into yet another variant title. Do you already know how to unmerge and variant? Thanks for your submissions anyway! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's really "The Garden on the Moon" on the title page. I used to know how to unmerge and variant, but have forgotten. Looking at the help pages it seems the first step is an unmerge while displaying the parent title, so I'll submit that to start with. Thanks for the other fixes. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted the submission to unmerge the UK edition, and because I was aware of what you were doing, went ahead and made it into a variant of the original French title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:35, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I went ahead and verified it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dancer from Atlantis ==<br />
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Hello, I've added some notes and replaced the amazon scan for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116611 here], I've also changed the price from £0.70 to £0.75 as per my copy. Can you have a look at yours to see if it's correct? Thanks. Hervé [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1957 ==<br />
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Hello, I added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89770 this magazine] for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chris_DeVito Chris DeVito]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Intruders'' ==<br />
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Added to the Note for Fane/Fanthorpe's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105791 ''The Intruders''], re the availability of a facsimile PDF of this edition. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 01:54, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Also [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106221 ''Unknown Destiny'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:00, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 ''U.F.O. 517'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The High Crusade ==<br />
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Hello, the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41493 this] publication is Jack Faragasso, see [http://www.faragassoart.com/book/id20.html faragassoart.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959'' ==<br />
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A cover image has been added to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959''] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?95241 ''Fantastic Universe, March 1959'']. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== About the Author (The Tombs of Atuan) ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:MartyD#The Tombs of Atuan|this discussion]] regarding the {{T|228421|About the Author}} which appears in your verified {{P|101011|The Tombs of Atuan}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Earth Book of Stormgate One ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with scan of verified copy here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118521 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 10:44, 13 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon image with a scan of my verified copy http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 12:51, 15 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, March 1958 ==<br />
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Have added a a cover scan of my verified copy to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?91931 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 11:04, 7 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, September 1959 ==<br />
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Have added a note regarding Miller-Contento listing to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds ==<br />
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Have replaced the Amazon link with a scan of my verified copy in The Rebel Worlds http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 14:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Generic" content titles ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome back. You might want to edit the notice at the top of this page....<br />
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I don't know if it's a change, but current practice for generic (I think the help calls them "standard") content titles, such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Preface", etc. -- just about anything you could easily imagine appearing in other publications over completely different text -- is to disambiguate them by including the publication's title in parentheses, at the end. I did this to "Preface", "About the Editor", and "Notes on the Authors" in {{P|257517|I Shudder at Your Touch}}. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Makes sense; I recall that now. It's been a while! I'm selling a few hundred of my books and thought I'd do some verifications and updates on anything not yet verified before they leave my hands. I'll make sure I do that from now on. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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== ''Snow White, Blood Red'' ==<br />
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A couple of questions/comments about {{P|173951|Snow White, Blood Red}}. I accepted the submissions, but:<br />
* Should the "Ellen Datlow" piece at the end be ESSAY instead of SHORTFICTION? I'm guessing it's a bio?<br />
* With the page count as you've supplied it, I think the pieces on p. 412 and beyond should have their page numbers in brackets per [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Page]].<br />
* See my previous note about disambiguating content titles. I'd consider that for "Recommended Reading", and it might be appropriate for the two author bios.<br />
Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Got it. Will go do that now; thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:15, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Clipper of the Clouds'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437545 this publication], but changed the publisher to "Scottie Books" to match the current publisher in ISFDB records. (If that's not correct, please change it back.) A question: what is on the 2 unnumbered pages at the end of the book? Unless there is significant text, such as the last two pages of the novel are unnumbered, or there's an afterword, etc., then recording them in the page count isn't usually done. We don't record pages that include advertising or catalog lists, a usual practice for paperbacks. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for the [6] pages added to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268941 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:27, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing data fields of primary verified records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to discuss changes in the data fields of primary verified records with the editor who verified it. I'm holding your submission to add [5] pages to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250308 this record]. Is there significant text on these pages? Otherwise, I'm certain the verifier would have included them in the original record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I knew that rule, so I apologize; I should have asked the verifier. There is no significant text on those pages, so I'd guess that the verifier simply ignored them. I take it that that's standard practice, then? Even if there are clearly unnumbered pages before or after the main text block, one doesn't indicate that with "[n]" unless there are content entries to be made from those pages? The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages help text] doesn't specify, so I wasn't sure. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
::And I now see you've answered my question above. OK if I change the help text to say that? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Before making changes to help documentation, you should post a message on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions ISFDB:Rules and Standards discussions] page. If there is no objection, and no debate is generated within a couple of days or so, feel free to update the documentation. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I made a couple of other edits recently to the help text and will add links to those there too so they can be discussed. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Airmont edition of ''Round the Moon'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295411 this record]. The price would indicate that it was published several years after the original 1969 printing, probably circa 1980. (Look at the prices of other printings from this publisher.) Airmont sometimes indicates the printing date as a code on the last page or so of text. Perhaps your copy has such a printing code? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There's a "3-77" at the foot of the last page; is that a date? It's perfect bound so doesn't appear to be a signature identifier. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's the printing code. You can update the record and provide the source for the date in the Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Done. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Assassin's Apprentice'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437604 this record], but it wasn't sourced. I assumed you're working from a copy but didn't indicate that with the proper bullet (the default indicates that you would be providing your source in the Note field, but it's not there.) Also, if you include the excerpt from the end of the book as a content record, then the page count field should indicate that as well. Fifteen unnumbered pages would be entered as "435+[15]". It seems that none of the ISFDB records for other printings of this edition have the correct page count either. (Don't know how they got through moderation, and one of them is primary verified by a moderator. Oh, well.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:17, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437605 this record] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437606 this one]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Ouch. I knew that. Sorry, was careless there. Unfortunately I can't do an accurate page count now because I had to ship the books to a buyer. The 15 page addendum starts on 439 so goes through 453, but I don't recall if that's the last unnumbered page or if there were more blank pages after that. What's the best thing to do now? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:08, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Since you stated in the notes that the excerpt was 15 pages long, there's no need to record any of the blank pages or pages of advertising. So "435+[15]" should be fine. It doesn't matter what page it started on. The page count field gives the page count, not the pagination, which is a whole kettle of fish that we don't deal with here. A "stick-up-the-ass" bibliographer would give the pagination, for example as "[1-8],9-435,[436-438:blank],[439-453],[454-462:blank]". You can see now why we just give a simplified page count! Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Howard's ''Almuric'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that there is no ISBN stated in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179857 this publication]? I thought that by 1971, NEL had already started using them. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There is an ISBN; I missed it -- it's just a string of digits at the bottom of the page with no explanation. I'll add it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:31, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::And thanks for doing the followup edits on the titlemerges, by the way! I appreciate it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem at all. It's a lot easier for a moderator to do it, and I keep my eye out for such followup edits. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Binding/format for ''Time Must Have a Stop'' ==<br />
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This {{P|439319|Time Must Have a Stop}} addition came through with a binding/format of "unknown". I'm guessing you do know? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Oops; careless of me. Yes; fixed. I also added a note indicating that this is definitely not a first edition. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== 16th Pocket ''Contact'' ==<br />
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I believe your proposed 16th Pocket printing of ''Contact'' is a duplicate of {{P|289704|this}}, unless you meant a number other than 16. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:It must be; can't tell because I packed and shipped it. I thought I searched those pubs for a 16th printing but I guess I missed it -- thanks for catching that. And sorry for the slow response; I'm selling my house so things are a bit frantic. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. Good luck! I rejected the clone and moved the note about Canada price and the new content / page numbers to the existing entry. I'll leave Ron a note about the changes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover image ==<br />
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... by a user to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89710 this magazine]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Conan from Sphere ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437790 About this record] I have a quick question. I see the ISBN you've listed for the book on the back cover, but a different ISBN inside on the title page (0722146914) from a previous printing. I believe that they did not update the ISBN when they reprinted the book. I plan to add a note to the record if that's ok with you. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 14:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== I add the other prices to the verified ==<br />
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I add the other prices to the verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 22:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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Hi. I added a cover scan and some notes (9-digit ISBN, overseas prices) to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101251 your verified]. Furthermore, I think the writer's name should be recorded as Ursula K. LeGuin (in one word), and varianted to the canonical one, as it is spelt thus on both cover and title page. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:13, 12 May 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Tales of the White Hart ==<br />
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Added some notes and a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?90571 your verified]. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 09:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
:Added artist's name (Peter Goodfellow) from previous editions. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Edward Valigursky ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Ed(ward) Valigursky|this discussion]] regarding covers by Edward Valigursky. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fire Time ==<br />
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Hi, I have found the cover artist for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118841 Fire Time]. It is Colin Hay, see [http://www.chameleon-arts.com/colin-hay/jackets-10.html here].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 13:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Rebound, redux ==<br />
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This is just to ping you that I replied to an old discussion we had [[#Frankenstein_Unbound|further up on this talk page]]. Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow of Heaven ==<br />
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Hi. I think there is a typo in your verified {{P|128501}} where the Australian price should be 80c instead of 60c. Do you have any objections to me making that change? Many thanks. --[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 15:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Bloodhype'' ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon image of Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108291 ''Bloodhype''] with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 14:00, 2 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1956 ==<br />
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Mike: Downloaded an image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89722 Fantastic Universe, January 1956]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Ditto for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89749 Fantastic Universe, June 1956]. As a sidebar, this may have been the first science fiction digest that I ever read, way back in '71 or '72. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Unlocking the Air", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I made a couple of minor edits to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52881 verified publication]: I added an "ix+" to the page count; added a note giving the title of the Paul Klee painting on the cover; and added the LCCN. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher for "Fantastic Universe" ==<br />
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We have 63 issues of "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18631 Fantastic Universe] entered, all of which have been verified. Of those, 62 have been verified with the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6775 King-Size Publications], and one verified by you with a publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93401 King-Size Publishers]. Could you check whether that one odd issue was really entered correctly? Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Deep Fix - Colvin ==<br />
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Replaced cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38232 this book] with a better scan from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge (Savoy) ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128371 this book] with one that includes the rear and also added other prices to notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin - Threshold ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101341 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Condition of Muzak ==<br />
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Added cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125951 this book] and just wanted to check. My copy dated August 1980 has the price £1.50 printed above a small back rectangular box (preumably hiding the original price). I'll make a note of that but could you let me know please. Thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Elric of Melniboné ==<br />
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Added full wraparound cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128261 this book] and other prices. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Rituals of Infinity ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128321 this book] is by Geoff Taylor from his website [http://www.geofftaylor-artist.com/galleries/cover-art/art/rituals-infinity here]. Record amended accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:24, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Queen of the Swords ==<br />
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Added cover scan taken from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125921 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Runestaff ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 this book] with one from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Sleeping Sorceress ==<br />
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Added cover art scanned from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:04, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 thids book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Vertigo ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127311 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:36, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the interior art illustrator to the contents of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101401 verified publication], as credited on the copyright page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Added two additional cover prices to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?112391<i>Enemies of the System</I>] from back cover of my copy. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 17:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Taran Wanderer ==<br />
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I added the (real) Jody Lee cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115891 Taran Wanderer], which you verified... [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 07:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds - additional Pub Notes ==<br />
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Verifying my edition of your PV1'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841<i>The Rebel Worlds</I>], I added a couple of Pub Notes with some extra publication history, and additional pricing. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 15:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Colony - pub notes ==<br />
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Hi, I added a pub note and slightly re-arranged a couple of others on your PV of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437868 <I>Colony</i>], [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 19:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Unforsaken Hiero - pub notes ==<br />
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I've added pub notes on pub history, cover artist credit and pricing to your P(T)'d [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278994<i>The Unforsaken Hiero</I>], and amended the 'Publisher' field in the metadata to show what's on the title and copyright pages. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 12:00, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dispossessed - special overseas edition? ==<br />
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Hi, I have a rather tatty ?th-hand 1975 Panther/Granada pb copy of <I>The Dispossessed</I>, but really need to check one detail before doing an additional verification of the copy it otherwise matches, your PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101351 edition]. Could you let me know how your copy's copyright page compares with what's in mine? It reads as follows from the top:<br />
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:Granada Publishing Limited<br />
:Special overseas edition published in 1975 by Panther Books Ltd<br />
:[...address details...]<br />
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:First published in Great Britain by<br />
:Victor Gollancz Ltd 1974<br />
:Copyright © Ursula Le Guin 1974<br />
:[...printers details...]<br />
:[...legal warnings etc...]<br />
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If yours doesn't have the 'Special overseas edition...' line, then I imagine I can submit a New or Clone Pub submission. Thanks, [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 07:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- I'm no longer here much, but I stopped by for another purpose. I may eventually be able to pull this out of a box, but it'll be a while; I suggest you go ahead on the assumption I won't be able to look at this any time soon. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:09, 14 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover image to your verified {{P|89769|Fantastic Universe, December 1956}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:51, 31 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Night in Toyland ==<br />
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Have replaced the cover scan for our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8897 Dark Night in Toyland] with one that does not include a white background/border. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 22:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Cover artist Colin Hay of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100891 this] is credited on pages 80 and 96 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362758+f this] art book. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 09:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover for ''Fantastic Universe, June-July 1953'' ==<br />
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[[User talk:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] has added a cover image to your verified {{P|88195|Fantastic Universe, June-July 1953}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mandrake ==<br />
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Hi, Mike. I've put a hold on the update to the record as the month is from the Penguin website. I should have added the link when I did the secondary verifications but have now done so. Don't know if this would change any notes you might add? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I wasn't paying enough attention and didn't see that the attribution to the website would cover the month. No, I think the submission can be cancelled. The only other possible edit would be to put in the text the way I have it since that's what's on the book (including "photographs" rather than "photography", and then clarify that the month is not on the book. I was just correcting the text to match the book. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)</div>
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<div>Welcome to my talk page.<br />
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== Welcome :) ==<br />
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Welcome aboard! I think we have all the "hot" topics linked from the Main page for your browsing convenience. If you have any questions, just post them on that page or its Talk page. If you have general questions (e.g. "what the heck are we doing here anyway??"), feel free to post them either at [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] or on my or Al's User page any time :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:44, 22 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==A note from T. Jackson King==<br />
Hi Mike! This is T. Jackson King (Tom) logging in here to say thanks for the 6/27 welcome note on my talk page, and to ask you for guidance on how I can modify the listing of my short and long works that key to my author name (above). I've put in a third person biography here and on Wikipedia, but I'd like to update my short fiction listing, the awards category, and then link the biblio stuff to the bio page on Wikipedia. I've read through the How Tos and other stuff, but every time I try to "edit" anything other than my bio, I get a screen message saying editing is presently limited to moderators. Having read the main page stuff and info on new software, etc., I guess that explains that. Any suggestions on how I could gain moderator status solely for my writing info stuff? Or can you or Al or who knows? open up my biblio section so I can do as above? Anyway, thanks much for all the work you and others do to maintain this site. While I have my own website, I love Wikipedia (newbie enthusiasm) and have found the ISFDB to include a lot of fellow writers I've known since the early 1980s. My personal email address should be listed on my login data, or, if not, then you can find it on my web site at www.sfwa.org/members/tjacksonking The email address there doesn't work to link to me, but the address is accurate. Enough chatter. Thanks for your time. Tom<br />
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== Budrys ==<br />
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Responses posted on [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:39, 23 May 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Vacuum tubes ==<br />
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Thanks for the heads up about transistors! Normally, I am not a fan of new and unproven technologies, but spare parts ''are'' getting harder to get these days... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:35, 25 Jun 2006 (CDT)<br />
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Oops! I knew I was missing something! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:53, 7 Jul 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Thanks for the welcome ==<br />
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Howdy Mike and thanks for the welcome. I certainly hope to be able to help out with fixing that which needs it and the verification process (I almost called it an effort but that implies there is an end to it whereas a process can be never ending . . .) [[User:PortForlorn|PortForlorn]] 00:02, 19 Oct 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==Collection==<br />
Answered on my Talk page to preserve context, continuity, etc :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:58, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
:Answers updated on my Talk page. We may want to move the last part of the discussion to the Portal since it may have broader applicability. Also, we may want to revive the [[Bibliographic Rules]] page at some point since the Community Portal is getting crowded. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:22, 9 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Dropped Text==<br />
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Yes, I saw a big chunk of text seemingly disapper about an hour ago. As far as I can tell, the text is still there and you can access it if you pull up the whole page in "Edit Page", but it is not displayed any more. Probably some special characters and/or formatting messing it up. I'll see if I can unscramble it, thanks :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:42, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:The problem with the Community Portal page was the "p" template which was messing it up for some reason. I took it out for now and the page is back in business :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:51, 20 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn ==<br />
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Mike,<br />
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FYI, "Vithaldas Hattopadhyaya O'Quinn", "Vithaldas O'Quinn", "Vithaldas H. O'Quinn", etc were all pseudonyms used by Santesson -- see Contento and http://www.trussel.com/books/pseud_o.htm [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:06, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Aha. Thanks for that. I wonder what his source is? I just checked Who's Hugh (should have done that before), and it gives Contento and McGhan as sources for this; McGhan predates Contento but I'm not familiar with it.<br />
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:I wonder if it would be a good idea for us to eventually have a "sources" table, with a way of citing a source for any non-obvious connection -- primarily assigning pseudonyms. E.g. the variant titles connection could have a secondary table with a key of parent title, child title, and an attribute of source id, pointing to the source which attests the connection. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:26, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::It's probably a good idea to formalize the pseudonym attribution process, which is currently effectively undefined. However, I am not sure what the best approach would be. Something for the Community Portal, perhaps? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::Yes, but I think I'll hold off on that for now -- it's not going to happen before beta testing, and I'd like to avoid any red herrings. I think we do need a couple more features to go live effectively, but not much, so I plan to be minimalist about non-go-live-related issues for a bit. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:41, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Certainly understandable. I have been reluctant to start a discussion of my top secret LIAM module for pretty much the same reason. My biggest concern is that although the software is currently largely functional, it has enough built-in gotchas and twists to discourage all but the most dedicated editors. And once a potential contributor is discouraged, he may not be easy to lure back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:48, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Good point; hadn't really thought about it that way. I think one goal of the beta is to identify what can be improved along these lines. However, to me the main implication is that usability and workflow enhancements are the main thing to look at between now and the beta, since we can actually *do* most things now. That's why, for example, I think award editing is low priority, but an ISFDB watchlist is high priority. I can't see a Heinlein project team member getting very far without the ability to keep an eye on "his" data. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 19:53, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::It's entirely possible that the majority of the ISFDB activity will be eventually Author-centric, but it's hard to tell ahead of time. In the past, the ISFDB had two primary categories of editors: authors and bibliographers. Authors tended to be highly author-centric (not entirely surprisingly, one might add) and their activity was sporadic, based on random factors like the appearance of new stories/books, writer's block, insomnia, etc. I can certainly see how a returning author may want to see a list of changes to his biblio since his last visit.<br />
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::::::Bibliographers, on the other hand, tended to be much more thorough and '''much''' less author-centric. Some would concentrate on magazines, others on first editions, yet another category would be interested in certain publishers (e.g. DAW and Baen as can be seen elseWiki), etc. They would be much less likely to benefit from this proposed tool unless it could be made highly configurable and track many different fields in various clever ways, which I consider unlikely given our limitations.<br />
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::::::Finally, there are two other categories of editors from years past: unpublished writers who would try to sneak their work undercover, as it were, and regular genre readers, who typically come and go at random intervals. Having said that, the Internet has grown so much and the idea of user-editable databases has become so widespread in recent years, that it's hard to tell what kind of audience we will draw this time around. Oh well, time will tell :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:38, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::That list of likely editor types is very illuminating. I guess I was thinking that some authors have such a following that they would draw interested editors, but I suppose the list of authors that would have a sufficiently dedicated following is quite short. On the other hand, my watchlist at Wikipedia has a high overlap with the pages I've edited; I think a lot of editors would like to work that way.<br />
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::::::::There are good-to-excellent single author bibliographies on the net (Bramah, Farmer, Leinster, Vance, etc) that are maintained either by individuals or by small groups, but I don't think we had a whole lot of luck getting them to update the ISFDB. Or, if we did, they were not as visible as the other types of editors. Perhaps we will have beter luck this time. I suppose that "struggling writers", who tended to be more visible, saw the ISFDB and similar outlets as a way to get free publicity. Clearly, Stephen King didn't need the ISFDB to maintain a decent standard of living :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::The key point seems to me to be that we have to have a way to watch data being degraded, so we can stop it. You're putting in many hours of work doing consistency checks. How do you know they are still consistent? (Well, there's not many people editing right now, but you know what I mean.) I spent a long time on the "Ace Books" article in Wikipedia, and I have it watchlisted. I go check every single edit that's done to it, because I have an interest in keeping it high quality. If I can't do that for, e.g., the Fantastic Universe issues I've been entering, I won't really want to enter any more of them. I recently noticed that a title in one of the issues had been changed for an editorial, for example. I'm pretty sure that Al did it, in verifying against Contento2, so I asked him about it. If 20,000 changes had gone by while I was on vacation, I'd have no way of knowing if those issues were still in good shape.<br />
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::::::::This is definitely a major concern, but I am not sure that the proposed software solution is as easy to implement as all that -- see below. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::I realize that moderators are going to be eyeballing changes, and we can have rules about not approving changes to records that are verified, without some justification given in the notes. That's actually pretty strong protection, but I don't think it's quite enough.<br />
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:::::::To get back to your editor types, I think the pure bibliographers will want to know that their work is not just going to get corrupted, otherwise they won't want to enter data. They may not watchlist everything they enter, but they may watchlist most of it.<br />
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:::::::Finally, I don't think it's necessarily that hard to do. To watchlist a title, for example, you need a userid/titleid cross reference table; pretty straightforward. Then you need "for each title: list approved submissions that affect this title, get all publications; for each publication: list approved submissions that affect this title". The user could click on the submission to see the original update request. That would be the equivalent of a diff. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 21:31, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::::Well, that may be easy to implement in a static environment, but Title IDs and Publication IDs get merged and deleted all the time. I really don't know how much work it would take to get even to the low hanging fruit, so I would need to defer to Al. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:23, 27 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::Yuck. Merged ids changing the id of what you're watchlisting; hadn't really considered that. I can think of answers, but fundamentally you're right that there are some gotchas -- though I still suspect we need to do it, or something like it. Anyway, I've started a beta discussion on the community portal, so let's wait and see what comes out of that -- maybe nobody else will agree we need the watchlist function. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 09:28, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Regularized Case==<br />
I noticed that [[Template:PublicationFields:Title]] and related pages do not include "on" in the list of words that should not be capilized in titles. For example - The DAW list has the following and they look "correct" to me but don't follow ISFDB's conventions and I'm wondering if the conventions should be updated or the DAW titles. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:07, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
*''Incident on Ath''<br />
*''Monday Begins on Saturday''<br />
*''Ocean on Top''<br />
*''One on Me''<br />
*''The Darkness on Diamondia''<br />
*''The Sailor on the Seas of Fate''<br />
*''Walkers on the Sky''<br />
:You're right; "on" looks correct. I'll fix this in the templates -- thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] 07:46, 28 Nov 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Bug 10009 ==<br />
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Looks plenty fixed to me! :) Al rolled out a number of fairly major changes today, so I would guess that he also zapped 10009 as a "ah heck, might as well do it now" kind of thing. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:12, 7 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== "Nevile Shute"? ==<br />
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Mike, does http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVSEP1959 reflect the spelling of Nevil Shute's name in the magazine correctly or is it a typo? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:17, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:Oops. Fixed. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 18:26, 15 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Templates for magazines ==<br />
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I think the conservative thing to do for now is to "just make the template available so that projects that get going can use it". That way we won't forget about it and can always go back and propagate the template if it becomes popular.<br />
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As far as "author-centricity" goes, it's the natural way to ''organize'' projects and keep track of them. It's not that we will necessarily have all that many author-centric editors, but rather that I can't think of a better way to record what has been done and where things stand. On any given day I may jump between a dozen different Authors and two dozen Series, merging things, deleting, adding, checking secondary biblios, etc, but at the end of the day I go back to the respective Author (and sometimes Series) pages in the Wiki to record what has been done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:37, 17 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Collections contents ==<br />
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I'll happily add the contents, it's just I couldn't see a way to do it from the create page. <br />
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I'll try the clone options page next time. I'm only going to be touching any books if I've got them in front of me. [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 08:48, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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One possible beta bug, I entered years (xxxx-0-0) for all the stories in scared stiff but they've all come through zeroed.<br />
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I'll correct those and see if they go through this time.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 09:59, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Cold print answer ==<br />
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It is a collection, with a second expanded edition, so the initial verification as a novel is a mistake.<br />
--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 11:44, 22 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Recent Hayford Peirce edits==<br />
Hi Mike, I see you're online approving my edits. I seem to have done some things wrong, however. When I go to the Hayford Peirce article it doesn't show Der Zeit-etc. as a foreign edition of Napoleon Disentimed. And now there are two entries for Dinosaur Park -- I was just trying to add the month of publication (May 1994) to the original entry of 1994. Sorry for screwing things up! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:17, 25 Dec <br />
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::No problem. You might find [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant|this help page]] useful -- your data entry was fine, but now you need to tell the ISFDB that "Der Zeit . . ." is actually a variant of "Napoleon Disentimed". When you entered "Der Zeit" it created a publication record, and a title record, both saying "Der Zeit" was the title. Pub records track physical books, so that record doesn't need to change. Title records are the things that connect multiple publications of the same work. So you need to connect the title record of "Der Zeit" to the title record of "Napoleon Disentimed"; the help page link should help you figure it out. If it's not clear, ask again. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::A couple of things to keep in mind. One is that we have a display bug in the current version of the ISFDB software. It causes Variant Titles to appear twice, once as a "Variant Title" under the parent title and once by itself. The bug used to be limited to short fiction titles, but now that Al is trying to integrate short fiction and novel length data on the same page, it has spread to novels as well. That's why ''Dinosaur Park'' is displayed twice. It's just a display issue, there is no need to adjust the data -- I am sure it will be fixed soon.<br />
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:::The second thing to keep in mind is that we are currently listing foreign language translations of English language books as Publications under the main English language title. The reason for it is to avoid clutter on the main Author page for Authors that have been translated into numerous languages. I have already merged the German language version with the English langiage original, so we are all set for now. In the future, you can simply use the "Add Publication to this Title" link on the Title's page to avoid the need to merge the newly entered title with the parent. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Regarding Zeit-etc. Yes, the first entry I made I had the date structure wrong (according to a warning), so I went back and corrected it, or so I thought. Evidently that led to two different entries being made. There should only be one. In any case, the date of publication should, correctly, be 1992-00-00 -- I guess! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
::OK -- have a go at deleting the incorrect one; it should be easy to figure out how. I know the warning message you're talking about; it's just informative, and doesn't stop the data being entered. The format for unknown dates is zeroes, so you can just enter 1992 and ignore the warnings if it's going to be zeroes anyway. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:25, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Righto -- it's easier to have the discussion going on at a single page. I have already deleted one of the Zeits. I started to delete Dinosaur Park from my list of novels, since it's now shown as a variant title of Thirteenth Majestral. But then I was afraid that deleting it would also remove it from the variant status. Is a puzzlement! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Yup, it's that bug mentioned above raising its ugly head :( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:44, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Ah, so you're saying that I *can't* delete that second listing?! That sounds like a pretty major bug to me! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:57, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::Well, it's just a display bug: if you look at the URLs that the two displayed titles point to, it's the same location, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?15751 This bug only popped up the other day, so it's presumably due to the software overhaul that Al von Ruff is currently in the middle of. I will re-report it again on the Bug page just to make sure he is aware of it :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:03, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::And thanks for the on-going tips -- I'm sure that I'll get up to speed on this eventually. I do have, for instance, other foreign edition info to put in for various books. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:33, 25 <br />
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::::Hi Mike, it's actually a trade paperback, I guess, the big glossy pb -- I should have realized that there was a different entry for that. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 14:23, 25 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Pence and pounds==<br />
Hi Mike, thanks for the tip on the pound sign -- I use the character set from time to time for other things, so I'll remember to use it here also. Regarding the price of the Canning book, however, we've gotta remember that it was a 1973 book, before the pound had a hundred units of whatever it is. <br />
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1971 was the changeover: a pre-decimal pound was the same as a post-decimal pound though.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:06, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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In those days (and I just checked it in my big old Websters) the pound had 20 shillings and each shilling had 12 pence. So a pound consisted of 240 pence. Which means that a book that sold for 50p (or 50 pence, I'm pretty sure) was not the equivalent of £0.50 -- it would actually be the equivalent of £0.208 (50 divided by 240). Or so I think. Maybe I should go back to the Canning item and change the "p" to "pence"? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 16:20, 30 Dec 2006 (CST)<br />
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A pound still has twenty shillings in it, but no youth will know what a shilling was. (It's 5 new pence rather than 12 old pence.)<br />
You'd never see a pre-decimal price in pence alone, though, unless it was less than a shilling: and those would have been labelled "d" rather than "p". So "6d" would be half a shilling, or "£0.025" in current parlance. I forget when we lost the half-penny, but I'm pretty sure we don't need to go to three decimals after the mid 1980s....<br />
For pre-decimal prices though, 50p didn't exist, we'd call half a pound "10 shillings" or "10 Bob". If it was really 50 pennies, then it would be "Four shillings and tuppence" or "4/2".<br />
I apologise for my country's weird currency shift,but all I can do now is resist joining the Euro and making it THREE currency systems in my lifetime...<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:06, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Burr by Gore Vidal==<br />
Hi, Mike, and Happy New Year! I see that Burr is listed as a novel by Gore Vidal -- he did indeed write, although not on that date, and it is NOT possibly SF or anything associated with it. I just tried to delete it completely from the list but evidently one has to be a moderator to do so. So, would you be kind enough to do so when you have a moment? Thanks! (It's a *great* book, by the way!) [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:11, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Hmmm, that's very strange -- I just looked at the Vidal biblio summary and Burr is still there. Plus, when I tried to delete it, there was a message across the top of the screen that only a moderator could do so.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:34, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Charles McCarry==<br />
Sorry, I just saw why you had rejected my edit -- *after* I had redone it. I thought that maybe I had forgotten to hit the submit button. I'll redo it, correctly, this time, as Non-Fiction. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:24, 1 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==The "pre" tags==<br />
Hi Mike, I'm using them because someone put this info in the Jonathan Gash discussion and suggested that I use the phrase I've been putting in. I myself thought it looked "awful" once it showed up but I figgered he knew more about it than I did! I wish this Wiki had a preview feature in it so I could see what the changes are gonna look like! I'll go back and remove all the "pre" if you think that's what I should do. Or I'll do whatever you suggest to make things look better.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:02, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:Okie, thanks. I copied the tag from "Edit" mode, and maybe there were some formatting things in there that were only for the note he wrote to me and that shouldn't have been copied into the Lovejoy stuff. I'll clean it up, but bear with me if it turns out to be a trial and error process.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:20, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Bad ISBN ==<br />
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It's impossible to edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO1318 title] as it has a # at the start of the ISBN and it makes it throws a Python error.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 14:23, 6 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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As I've just added a few entries with '#' at the start of the ISBN (as they are old books but have internal publishers numbers) I'm worried I may be causing you problems.<br />
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Although I see no problem with THAT particular entry.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:10, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Birthday==<br />
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Danke! I've been seeing that birthday thing for a while now and wondering if I wuz gonna show up -- now we know that at least *one* thing works! And most of the rest, too, for that matter. It's a wonder that there aren't *more* bugs -- my mind is boggled by how much info there is in here and how it's already so structured.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 11:27, 7 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== British Currency ==<br />
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Thanks for the note on this. Is there a standard for the pre-metric prices? Pounds, shillings and pence. Or is it okay to write them as they are on the books, i.e. 3/6 = three shillings and six pence.<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 13:38, 7 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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I've been told that if there are no pence, we should use a dash - e.g. "three shillings exactly" is "3/-".<br />
I don't own any book that would give me an example of POUNDS, shillings and pence. I think there must have been a few, but those were no doubt luxury editions, and would probably need an explanation of "Guineas" too.<br />
[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:16, 13 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Check outcome of discussion on use of # in ISBN field==<br />
Hi Mike - I saw you added this but am not sure what page the discussion is on. I saw that you had edited the ISBN help to asking that people not enter the hyphens. That surprised me as I thought we wanted the hyphens as it makes it easier for humans to verify that the ISBN is correct. As moderators, hyphens work to our advantage because right now the moderator/approval page shows the raw data meaning that if I see a hyphenated value I know that an editor entered it with hyphens and ISFDB did not recognize it as an ISBN otherwise it would have stripped out the hyphens. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:28, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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Here's an update since I can't find the ISBN discussion. I just entered/verified a book (Starship by Brian W. Aldiss...) using an ISBN of V2321. ISFDB set up links to Amazon, etc. in the navbar as though this was a valid ISBN. I edited the pub to prefix the catalogue code with # and that got rid of the links to Amazon. I suspect it's a bug but might as well include this with the ISBN discussion.) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:59, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thanks for the update -- I guess I misunderstood the outcome of that discussion. I had previously been entering ISBNs exactly as they appeared on the books, with the hyphens; this led to ISBNs that were truncated and incorrect. I rather suspect that's what's going on with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 this pub], for example; if you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?227671 title reference] you'll see there's something odd going on with the ISBN. I entered that from my copy; it's in my daughter's room and she's asleep right now, so I can't check it, but I'm willing to bet I entered that ISBN with hyphens and if I reenter it without hyphens it will fix the problem.<br />
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:What have you been doing for data entry of ISBNs? Are you using hyphens successfully? I know it displays them on output, but I'd like to know how to use them on input if that can work.<br />
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:For the "#", I take the point about the Amazon link -- hadn't noticed that. However I really dislike that "#" because it isn't actually on the publication. I would rather enter the real data and treat the Amazon link problem as a bug or feature request. Did we have a discussion on this somewhere about the pros and cons of the "#"? I am afraid we did, and it was agreed to use it, but I can't find that discussion now. I really want to suggest we make it optional, at least. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Regarding the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTWNGSHRGL1998 pub] with the odd ISBN. I did an edit-pub and change the page count from 40 to 40x so that on the mod-screen I could see what the DB value was for the ISBN. The approval screen said <br />
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::It looks like the ISBN had been entered with hyphens before Al started removing them. It seems like there’s a lot of outstanding project requests but yet another one will be to do a DB scan and for all of the publications with valid (good checksum) hyphenated ISBNs we need to remove the hyphens. I believe I have already reported the display bug where the code is inconsistent in its interpretation of valid vs. invalid data.<br />
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::Yes, I am entering hyphens successfully. At the moment when you enter a publication the code looks at the ISBN and if it looks valid, including the checksum, the code will remove the hyphens. Thus had you reentered or just edited your book it would work. There is a bug in this area where if the checksum is not valid then the hyphens are not removed but some of the display code does assume it’s a valid ISBN and that leads to messy results. The good news is that on the moderator screen if you see hyphens then you know it’s an invalid ISBN. If the hyphens are gone then we know it’s either a valid ISBN (editor entered it with hyphens and they were stripped) or it’s an invalid ISBN entered without hyphens). I already have a feature request in for ISBN to better explain it’s interpretation of the data rather than us needing to rely on non-obvious (and unreliable) clues like hyphens in the mod-screens or if the link to Amazon is there.<br />
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::I agree with you about the “#” stuff and that it’s not stated and don’t particularly like the # prefix but also see that it helps makes the edit/display logic very clean and also easy to understand for the humans. Right now the code is getting messy as it attempts to allow for or to deal with human error when entering data into ISFDB, publisher errors, codes that look like ISBNs but are not (SBNs for example), etc. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Genre authors in non-genre periodicals ==<br />
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Hi Mike!<br />
I found where my "talk" page is accessed (I am a brand NOOB about wiki) and read your note about The Universe Well Lost. What is policy regarding stories that we want to index, because they are SF or are by an SF writer (like Sturgeon), but first appeared in a non-SF magazine? Should we add a note to the title record for the story?<br />
[[User:Chenrich|Chenrich]] 16:36, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re: recent edits (a little late) ==<br />
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Mike: you left a note for me which included the following puzzle:<br />
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"One is you've been deleting the "jvn" that is found in some of the Story Length fields. In fact this is intended to be there; I just realized it's not documented properly."<br />
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I hate to say this but, I've never even SEEN "jvn" on an entry let alone removed it.<br />
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It would seem that either something I'm doing is triggering an automatic removal or some error in a script is removing it. Where does the info show up?? I'd like to help track this down if I can...<br />
[[User:Dsorgen|Dave Sorgen]] 20:54, 17 Jan 07<br />
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:As I dealt with one of these dropped "jvn"s today I took a look into what I had approved/edited and then was able to replicate the issue with one of my test titles. It's an ISFDB bug. See [[Open_Editing_Bugs]] 10090 Minor dataloss – Edit-pub wipes out title storylens for novels. Dave is right in that he's never seen a "jnv" and I filed a bug report about that too at [[Open_Display_Bugs]] 20092 Display of storylen for novels. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:42, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Marc, thanks for figuring this out. Dave, I hope that clarifies it; let one of us know if not. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:50, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Aldiss/Non-Stop==<br />
Mike, on [[User_talk:Thomas_conneely#Aldiss.2FNon-Stop]] you wrote "I could have sworn he'd entered a variant title for "Non-Stop, by Brian Aldiss" at one point, but it's not there now." That's one of the few times where I decided to just leave it as a variant publication. The title record is for Brian W. Aldiss and the publications under that title are by both Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss. Had it been a pseudonym rather than a small variation in the author's name I would have added a variant title. Do you think I should add the VT every time? [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 01:21, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think so; I understood that to be current policy. Let's take it to Bibliographic Rules or the Community Portal if you think it should be revisited. As with other issues like this, I think the difficulty with your approach would be where to draw the boundary. What about "U. K. Le Guin", which Le Guin agreed to for "Playboy" (I think it was) at one point, only to later discover that the reason was they wanted to conceal her gender from their readers? Is that a significant enough difference? I'd say it was. Rather than make judgements, my preference would be to make 'em all vts unless they are identical in every respect -- punctuation, everything. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::It turned out there was already a title record (two of them in fact) for Non-Stop under Brian Aldiss and so I merged them and made the result a VT of Non-Stop by Brian W. Aldiss. In looking at the main [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?123 title] record it's painful as you can see that the Millennium publication must be one or the other, or maybe both. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:51, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Publications listed "as by Brian Aldiss and Brian W. Aldiss" or "Robert Heinlein and Robert A. Heinlein" etc are (unfortunately) not uncommon in the database. They mostly come from Amazon.com, which frequently mishandles middle initials. Have I mentioned the dope smoking penguins lately? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:27, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Magazine Tags==<br />
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Mike, when you wrote "All pubs have tags; for everything but magazine the tag is generated automatically, and the uniqueness is ensured by the ISFDB scripts. I believe the reason that the magazines don't do this is to make it easier to build the magazine index pages", were you basing it on the documentation or on your editing experience? I don't recall manually adding tags for any of the magazines that I entered in December and they seemed to be auto-generated just fine, so I wonder if this issue was resolved a while back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:23, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Wow. I never even thought of just leaving the field blank and letting it do the work! I assumed that the reason it was exposed in the New Mag screen was to ensure the human entered it. I'll update the help to correspond. Thanks for the heads up! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:10, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::I think it goes back to the ISFDB1 days when we had a separate magazine editor who had his own locally hosted database and had to do some magic with tags to get the two databases to talk to each other. Al would probably remember more about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:30, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== More on sigs ==<br />
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Marc, I forgot to mention that you need to check the "raw sig" checkbox to make the sig I gave you work. Also, when you sign on your own talk page, it's smart enough to unlink the talk link (since that's to the current page), so testing it on your own talk page is a bit misleading. Hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 07:17, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Thank you Mike - I knew it would be misleading to test on my own pages but for some silly reason I got distracted and failed to test on some other page. The signature should be ok now. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 12:59, 19 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space==<br />
Mike, I noticed that you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 Adventures in the Far Future/Tales of Outer Space]. Is the editor's name spelled Donald A. Wolheim or is the last name Wollheim in your copy? The contents are a bit tricky to read given it looks like you have both the A and B side stories. Maybe it would work if you create a new publication called ''Tales of Outer Space/Adventures in the Far Future'' Each pub would then list the title of the other on an unnumbered page and would only list the numbered stories for that side. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) 15:38, 20 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Good catch; it was a typo on my part. I've fixed it.<br />
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:As for the two pub records approach -- I think this particular pub is the trickiest one I've entered. I don't really like the two pubs idea, because it really is just one pub. The anthology records are part of what's confusing -- they don't really correspond to a single physical pub, as one would expect. I think the right answer is to permit titles within a pub to have a hierarchical relationship to each other, so that the stories could be put inside the anthologies, but I think that's a big change with lots of coding difficulties. So for now I'm inclined to leave it as it is -- at least there are not very many of these omnibuses with anthologies inside them, so it's not a big problem. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:57, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Hello, printings & other thoughts ==<br />
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Hello mike. Still learning how to use site. Discovered enter key works like submit button.<br />
#Printings:Dated printings like ballantine seem straight forward to enter , but what about line numbers 1,2,3, etc.where printing 1-4 lets say are all identical, they raise price of book & printings run 5-9. Should the 1st book have a note saying printings seen 1-4 & 2nd book a note saying printings seen 7-9 & so on with new priced books.Than adjust note for newly discovered printings?<br />
#Older books with letter & number codes. Should i place "#" in front like #F-123 or enter F-123. I see it both ways which is preferred?<br />
#Instead of using "L" how do i get the pound sign?<br />
#I see you have a separate site for DAW books. I have about 200, most from 1-350. Where would this information be of most use?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:12, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Howdy; yes, it takes a while to learn your way around. I hope I can help. Some answers:<br />
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:#Printings: Currently the plan is to have 9 publications in the situation you describe. Each might differ only by printing date (which might not even be determinable) but they are physically different, if only by the number line. In some cases you can derive information about some printings from information in the later printings, and it's OK to enter this information. However, it would be good to explain the source in the notes, and also of course these printings should not be marked as verified unless you have a physical copy to hand.<br />
:#The "#" sign is preferred. I personally dislike this approach, but there are good reasons for it. I think the debate is likely to come up again in the future, but it is complicated, since that field is used for ISBN, which brings a variety of issues with it.<br />
:#If you're using Windows, you can go to Start->All Programs->Accessories->System Tools->Character Map, which permits you to copy all kinds of special characters into the clipboard, whence you can paste them into the price field. The other character I find I use it for is the em dash.<br />
:#Marc will probably notice your comment and respond to you directly, but if not, post a note to [[User talk:Marc Kupper]]. Marc is the DAW expert, and if you're willing he can send you a spreadsheet you can edit with your information. I did the same thing, and sent him about 150 verifications. He'd be glad of any offers to verify, I know.<br />
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:I hope that's useful; ask if there are more questions. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:30, 21 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::*Printings: Note that if you add extra publication entries that you should note very carefully the source of the record. I normally also leave the price and ISBN fields blank to that people don't mistakenly believe a publication may exist with that particular price or ISBN. BTW Mike - I did not realize the plan was to have one publication record per printing. I had assumed one per ISBN/Price pair and that the notes field would have a list of the printings found. One record per printing though makes it much easier to deal with verification. As there is no printing field maybe we should adopt something like "Bantam (16th)" for the publisher name.<br />
::*On the price field and getting the £ sign. You can also use the numeric keypad on the right side of your keyboard. Hold down either ALT key and on the numeric keypad enter 0163, and release the ALT key. A “£” will appear.<br />
::*That's excellent about your DAW collection. Yes, I can e-mail you the spreadsheet. My e-mail is on http://marc.kupper.googlepages.com/contact --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 03:03, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==11th printing of A Wizard of Earthsea==<br />
Hi Mike - I see you have verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSR0000 A Wizard of Earthsea] using 0000-00-00 for the publication date. The printing history table in my 16th printing says the 11th printing was January 1979. Do you want me to update your record? I see that the 7th [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSD0000 publication] was not dated and someone "back-filled" in the date using the 11th printing as the source and assume that practice is ok with you. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 02:42, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:That would be great -- in fact I'll go ahead and make the change now. Could you also update the printing history information at [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea|the Le Guin biblio page]]? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
::Aha. I see you have. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:37, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::Mike - I see you added 5-552-89816-8 to [[Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin#A_Wizard_of_Earthsea]] - That's a Russian Federation ISBN meaning this may be a translated work. Here's a summary of the ISBN prefixes. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 00:07, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
:::*0- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*1- English (language - Primarily USA, UK, and Canada but also Australia to Zimbabwe)<br />
:::*2- French (language - Primarily France but also Canada, Luxembourg, Switzerland and Belgium)<br />
:::*3- German (language - Primarily Germany but also Austria, Belgium, Switzerland, and Liechtenstein)<br />
:::*4- Japan (country)<br />
:::*5- Russian Federation (Primarily Russia but also Azerbaijan to Ukraine)<br />
:::*6- Unassigned<br />
:::*7- China (country) (Taiwan uses the 957- and 986- prefixes. Hong Kong uses 962- and 988-)<br />
:::*After 7 we get into two to five digit group prefixes.<br />
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:::*Group codes 0 to 7 are one digit leaving eight digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 80 to 94 are two digits leaving seven digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 950 to 993 are three digits leaving six digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 9940 to 9989 are four digits leaving five digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
:::*Group codes 99900 to 99999 are five digits leaving four digits for the publisher/title codes<br />
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::::Mike - After I shut down last night I realized I should have said that a publication being in a particular language or country group is no guarantee that the publication is printed in that language. For example, I have several English language publications printed in Japan that have "4" series ISBNs and am sure that most foreign language books printed in the USA/UK/Canada are using the 0 or 1 prefix. Thus all we can say about that copy of Earthsea with a "5" prefix is that if the ISBN is accurate that the book was probably printed in one of the Russian states. A Google search for the ISBN only came up with English language pages implying that if it's a valid ISBN that the book is printed in English. It could also be bogus data being replicated from site to site. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 17:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::The big Z39.50 search engine at http://www.sigla.ru (click on the tiny Union Jack in the corner to get the English language version of the interface and keep in mind that some functionality is appararently only supported under IE) returns zero hits on 5-552-89816-8. Since the engine is based in Russia and has a good coverage of Russian libraries, it's comewhat unlikely that none of them have this edition, but stranger things have been known to happen. On the other hand, it looks like this particular Pub record comes from Amazon.com and is supposedly a "Spectra" book. I am willing to bet dollars (rubles?) to donuts that Amazon.com screwed up and the ISBN should have been our old friend "0-553-26250-5" -- see http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7653 [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:58, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::Hmmm. So you think we should just delete it? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:00, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::Well, what are the chances that any book published in the USSR (note the 1991 date) was priced in dollars? :) It's just another bogus Amazon.com ISBN; unfortunately, there are thousands of them and many have migrated to the ISFDB. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:20, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::::::You convinced me; it's gone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:23, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::I'm catching up on random things. Deleting seems fine - I had stared at the ISBN for a bit trying to see if it was a transposition error, someone who shifted a column or row while keying, etc. and did not see anything where I could say "this looks like that ISBN over there." Maybe the verification logic should check to see if an ISBN is in Amazon and refuse to accept any publications that that match Amazon's data? :-) [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 22:54, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Where was the thread about vt display?==<br />
Hi Mike - I'm trying to find the thread, and I'm not sure if its one you or I started, about when there is just one VT that it can be confusing and when there's more than one it looks good. I just added a couple of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?John%20W.%20Campbell,%20Jr. John W. Campbell] books and used VT to get them linked to John W. Campbell, Jr.'s page. At first the bibliography looked pretty terrible as it showed <br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965) [as by John W. Campbell ]<br />
and it was not clear the title was available under both Campbell and Campbell, Jr. I did a hack in that from ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1528 The Mightiest Machine]'' Campbell, Jr. I used "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" to make a new title called ''The Mightiest Machine'' by Campbell, Jr. Now there more than one VT record and the display looks like<br />
* The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1965)<br />
** Variant Title: The Mightiest Machine (1972) [as by John W. Campbell ] <br />
The first one is not really a "Variant Title" but it seems clearer that the story was published using both "John W. Campbell, Jr." and "John W. Campbell."<br />
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I wanted to add this to the original thread for comment but now I can't find it. [[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 18:52, 24 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I had an outstanding action to make that thread into a feature request, which I've now done at [[Feature:90115 Enhance vt display to show both canonical name and pseudonym]]. For the moment I've just redirected the feature link to the original edit-bug link. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 06:40, 25 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Oops!==<br />
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Oops! Sorry, Mike, I have accidentally approved one of your changes instead of mine. It looked like a simple correction of the "first name - last name" order in an author's legal name, so hopefully no harm done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:05, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:No problem, I realized what had happened. Good thing I wasn't testing an Author Merge submit of Le Guin and Asimov! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:09, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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::My thoughts exactly :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:38, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:"The Moon Maker" by A. Train ==<br />
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Mike- There is also a second author "Robert W. Wood" but when i used the add author button no 2nd author box turned up, so i entered what i could. also the book lists seven other books on the dust jacket as available from publisher or bookstore, none are in your DB. Should i enter them with cautionary note about there source? They list then as SF & Fantasy.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:15, 26 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Danke! ==<br />
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Just a quick note to say thanks for the tips and info about merging records. Gracias.<br />
-- Mike Arnzen<br />
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== The Land of Laughs ==<br />
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Yes, it was a slip of the mouse. The merged title should be "The Land of Laughs".<br />
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Sorry it took a while to reply, I kept checking my user page but didn't realise I wasn't actually logged in.<br />
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== Cover design/Illustrator ==<br />
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Mike, the cover illustrator is listed as an artist, but what about the cover designers? Should they be listed as artists or separately in the notes?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:29, 29 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I think the best solution here is to list them in the notes. Marc suggested using an INTERIORART record with a location of "cv" for "cover"; that works too. I use the notes myself. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:48, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moorcock/DAW question ==<br />
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Marc, can you answer a DAW question for me? I was about to enter Moorcock's "Warriors of Mars" and "Barbarians of Mars", which I have in the Compact pb editions from 1965. The title listings, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 here] each show a DAW edition dated 1965. This is obviously nonsense, but I was wondering if there were any DAW editions at all that you know of. If not, I'll overwrite these with the Compact data; if so, I'll leave them and change the dates to unknown. Thanks -- [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:07, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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:* http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?188458 - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7644 Barbarians of Mars] - I have corrected the DAW publication.<br />
:--[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 16:28, 30 Jan 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Messiah at the End of Time ==<br />
Mike - please take a look at [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Messiah_at_the_End_of_Time]] --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 14:12, 1 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Front cover images ==<br />
Thanks, I should be more careful with paste & copy :-) [[User:A.kesrith|A.kesrith]] 11:04, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Moving misidentified titles ie:Novels to Collections. ==<br />
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Mike, this may have an obvious answer but if i want to move a title from novel to coll. or the other way, is there an easy way? Also moving title or titles from novel to serial & the other way? Example Schroeder's Permanence is a stand alone novel but Lady of Mazes should be in Ventus? series.Lady is a loose prequel to Ventus, per conversation with the author.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:49, 3 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Changing the type of a title requires at least one step; one for the title, and then one for each publication that needs to be changed. First display the title, then choose "Edit Title Data" and change the pulldown data type to be whatever it should be. When that's approved, display the title again and look at each publication to see if it has the right type; you can display and edit each in turn to change it to suit. Remember that not every publication may need to be changed -- if the novel has appeared in an OMNIBUS, for example, the OMNIBUS doesn't get a NOVEL type.<br />
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:Re your second question: I assume you mean "series", not "serial"; ISFDB uses the latter term to refer to serialization in a magazine. The way to change series data is covered in [[Help:How to work with series]]. Briefly, what you do is go to the title page -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22286 here] is the title page for Permanence -- and choose "Edit Title Data". You'll see a "Series" field and a "Series Num" field; these should be blanked out to make the title a standalone. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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==dos-a-dos collections==<br />
Mike = please take a look at this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BTWNTWWRLD1997 publication] and see if how I handled the pagination works for you. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:16, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:That's a pretty neat way to do it. I certainly don't like the alternative, which comes out like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DVNTRSNTHF1954 this]. I don't like hacking fields to make them do something different, but there are very few dos-a-dos collections and anthologies, so I think this is fine as a workaround. You might post a note to Al or at the CP to see if anyone can think of a reason not to do this. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:28, 5 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::ok - I may propose it as a standard where instead of author names we use "A" and "B" with a note to explain which side is which. The reason is the page # field is 8 characters long. I knew that going in and was happy that both Carr and Shaw are short names. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:30, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oops - I just did a test where I changed one of the page #s from Shaw-35 to Shaw-3 and it did not sort up. The logic must look at the page # field and if it's not obviously a number to not sort the record meaning the entire list is not sorted at the moment but instead we are looking at the MySql record order. Well, back to the drawing board on that one. I thought about creating two standalone publications for the collections and making the dos-a-dos an omnibus. I'd need to add notes explaining that the publications are placeholders and that it's 1/2 of a dos-a-dos. If I want to get sneaky I make both of the collection titles variant titles of each other and they will vanish from the author bibliograpies leaving just the dos-a-dos... <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:46, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Variant help question==<br />
Mike, at [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant#Marking_a_title_record_so_that_it.27s_a_variant_title_of.2C_or_a_pseudonym_for.2C_a_title_that_does_not_exist_yet_in_ISFDB]] is the sentence "In this case it is generally best to make the canonical form of that title the one with the pseudonym." It's the second sentence of the second paragraph and is throwing me for a spin cycle. I believe the first sentence states there is no canonical form yet and so I'm not sure what you were trying to add to the explanation with the second sentence. TIA. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 12:28, 6 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
:Marc, sorry for the delay on replying on this. That text dates from before I understood how canonical forms controlled bibliographic displays. What I meant was that if, for example, Asimov wrote a story called "Obscure Story" as by "Fred Bloggs", and it had never been published as by Isaac Asimov, then the canonical form would be "Obscure Story" by "Fred Bloggs". My assumption now is that we want every title by author X to use the canonical form of author X in the canonical title. In the example, that would be "Obscure Story" by "Isaac Asimov" and there would be a variant for the version with the pseudonym. I've changed the text in the help to correspond to this but let me know if you think this is not correct. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 05:28, 10 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Re:Betancourt/Dawn of Amber series ==<br />
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Mike , i entered a new series title for two books and ended up with two series with a book each. they should be under one series title only. Did i miss a step somewhere? Also with regards to SFBC is it okay to use the codes on the back page for dating books, or list them as 0000-00-00 and put a mention in notes about the code? Like Foster's Midworld L25 p.178 translates into 1981-06-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:48, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Re the series: can you tell me the titles you were working on? From what you say, it should have worked; the only requirement is that the series name matches. For the SFBC, I would use the codes to date books but add a note explaining the source, as not everyone will understand this -- I wouldn't know how to do this myself, for example, though I know that the book clubs have periodically used codes that are traceable to dates. If you can find a reference to a date in another source, such as Locus1, which is pretty good about dating SFBC editions, there's no need to add the confirming note in that case as your verification against the Locus1 source will show where you got the data.<br />
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:Would you consider posting a note to the community portal about the translation of the codes? It would be useful to others; no doubt some people know about it, but not everyone. We might add a note about it to the helptext for the date field. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:58, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:John Gregory Betancourt - Series-Roger Zelazny's the Dawn of Amber.Have a look at www.bookthink.com/0005/05sfb.htm (Collecting the SFBC)they have a good overview and table.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:50, 7 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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Marc, you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDFRTHSX0000 this pub] of "A Wizard of Earthsea". I noticed you didn't add the "About the Author" and "About the Illustrator" sections -- can you check and see if they're there? Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:28, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi Mike - Yes, they are there on an un-numbered page that's just after page 183. I added these to the publication. There is also an exerpt/blurb at the very front of the book just after the cover titled '''The Great Spell'''. The first and last lines are<br />
:* The words of the enchantment hissed and mumbled on Ged's lips, and then he cried out aloud and clearly, "Elfarran!"<br />
:* ... breach clambered something like a clot of black shadow, quick and hideous, and it leaped straight out at Ged's face.<br />
:Google finds the text in the middle of http://www.isibrno.cz/~jakl/genesis/index.php?Thera/book_3.html though the text in the book has been edited down with strategic dot-dot-dots. I don't even know what to call this and thus am not sure if it's in or out per [[Help:Screen:NewPub#What_to_include]]. <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 14:08, 11 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Time Dweller ==<br />
<br />
First, I'm back up and running again now (with my MTU tweaked from 1500 to 1458). So hopefully it'll be permanent this time.<br />
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As for the Time Dweller, I did miss this one, but had listed a few others I wanted to go back and look at. I assume I just need to add a new title to the publication, remove the old one from the publication, and make the new record a varient of the original one.<br />
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Your mention of the comic strip in My Experiences in the Third War also reminds me of the ones in New Nature of the Catastrophe (which also contains a music score). I put them all as interior art, but could change them to fiction. Comic Strip might be a sensible option to have, there's also one in Mieville's Looking for Jake. I suppose they could be entered as a short story against the author, with interior art set to the artist. <br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:54, 12 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Cornelius price checks ==<br />
<br />
I'm looking at some Moorcock books you've already verified so thought I'd double check before I go adding duplicates. <br />
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I changed the price of The Final Programme, Quartet 1976 from 75p to 70p.<br />
I've got a copy of The English Assassin Fontana/Collins which only lists the 1979 date but is priced at £1.50<br />
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--[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 17:29, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Hi -- on The Final Programme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFNLPRGRM1976 this] is the one I verified -- did you mean a different title? My one is definitely 40p, but it's a Mayflower.<br />
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:My "English Assassin" does seem to be the 1979 date. The copyright page says "First published in Great Britain by Alison and Busby Ltd 1972. This revised edition first published by Fontana Paperbacks 1979. Copyright Michael Moorcock 1972." The cover is green and black, with white and yellow lettering; it shows what seems to be a bowl of some sort covered by green cloth. It says "Cover illustration by Bill Sanderson" on the back. Pricing is "U.K. £1.00; Australia $3.50; New Zealand $3.75; Canada $3.50". Does that sound like your copy? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:02, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: Sorry I meant A Cure for Cancer for the Quartet edition. <br />
::I've definitely got £1.50 on the back of The English Assassin, with a black block underneath and then the other prices are the same. Exact same text on copyright page. It must have been an undated stealth reprint. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 01:22, 23 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::I agree -- your "English Assassin" must be a reprint; that black box is a giveaway.<br />
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:::For "A Cure for Cancer" I think we are also looking at a stealth reprint; presumably mine this time, since my copy definitely says 75p. Here's the copyright page text: "Published by Quartet Books 1976 . . . Copyright (C) 1971 by Michael Moorcock. ISBN 0 704 31". The ISBN really is chopped like that. The back cover says "SCIENCE FICTION/ISBN 0 704 31256 5" then U.K. 75p; Australia $2.45; New Zealand $2.30 Canada $2.25". The title page says "Quartet Books", but the logo on the front and spine is the Futura logo, with "Futura" on the front next to the logo. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:42, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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::::I think these should be sorted out now, though the ordering is unfortunate. I realised I couldn't re-verify one you'd already done so have put yours back to 75p and created a clone for the 70p version. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 19:18, 19 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Other Days, Other Eyes==<br />
Hi Mike - Can you check your Pan edition of ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and see if there is any evidence of<br />
* Mar 1974 publication date - you verified 1974.<br />
* Cover by Mark Harrison - you did not credit anyone<br />
* Is there a note about "First British Paperback Publication?"<br />
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What happened was I did not realize there were two title records for ''Other Days, Other Eyes'' and via scanning Amazon/AbeBooks constructed publication records for all of the editions I could find. When I was done I saw the other title record and merged them. My constructed record lists the extra details but I have no idea how the sellers came up with them. Also, does your cover have the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/772788165.jpg lady with the glasses] or the [http://pictures.abebooks.com/RANDALL/171644290.jpg lady in the window]? <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 22:07, 22 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Can't see any evidence of March; it just says "First published 1972 by Victor Gollancz Ltd. This edition published 1974 by Pan Books Ltd" on the copyright page. The cover is the lady with the glasses; no credits for the cover that I can see anywhere. Googling Harrison finds some evidence he's a cover artist so I think this is probably not by him -- the lady in the window is art but the lady in the glasses is a photo. There's no note about "first British paperback publication" anywhere. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:55, 24 Feb 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Dancing at the Edge of the World==<br />
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Mike, I see that you verified the Grove Press hardcover edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DNCGEW1989 Dancing at the Edge of the World] with a date of 1990-00-00. My copy, which is otherwise identical in terms of the data shown, anyway, has a date of 1989; is your copy a later printing by chance? Since it's verified, I didn't want to just change it, and I'm wondering if I should enter my copy as a new edition.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 15:36, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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:I'll check; I am only going to be home about a day between Singapore (where I am now) and Colorado (where I'm going skiing 10-17 March), so if I don't get to it at the end of this week it will be another week or two. By the way, has "Brave New Words" started shipping yet? I checked Amazon and it still shows pre-order status. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:09, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Have fun skiing! I haven't seen any copies yet, so I'm not sure what the status is. My editor stopped working for the press a couple months ago, so my flow of information has also been somewhat disrupted.[[User:Jprucher|Jefe]] 22:14, 5 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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::: You have not been to the Singapore markets yet to get a bootleg "Brave New Words"? :-) {{Marc Kupper}} 02:21, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958 ==<br />
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Mike, there is what appears to be a duplicate Silverberg article in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INFNTJAN58 Infinity Science Fiction, January 1958]. Jan has submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_remove.cgi?394321 "Title Removal" request], which I then put on hold. Since you did most (if not all) of the work on ''Infinity'' earlier this year, it would probably be best if you could take a look at the issue when you get back. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:40, 8 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
:I'm back from Singapore; off to Colorado tomorrow. Yes, approve it; it's debris from an earlier incomplete clean-up. As I recall, another editor created this using the EDITOR type, so when I followed up I added the ESSAY and then realized the error. Don't know why I missed deleting it, but it can go now. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:40, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
::Done, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:34, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Imagination - wrong year ==<br />
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Should be April 1951 Beyond the Fearful Forest cover --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 16:36, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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Thanks. The pages in my woeful copy were loose from the spine so there could be some other explanation. I'm going to try to track down another copy for my own personal collection before I make such a notation. --[[User:Swfritter|Swfritter]] 19:59, 9 Mar 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Reference book adoption ==<br />
It's yours, Mike, and there's no charge. Just give me a snail-mail address and I'll send it. ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 13:02, 10 Mar 2007 (CST))<br />
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:Thanks! It's 2511 Great Oaks Parkway, Austin, TX 78756. I appreciate it -- I've been meaning to buy that book for about twenty years now. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:13, 18 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Shipped out today via media mail, so you can expect it in 7-10 days. Enjoy! ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 16:39, 21 Mar 2007 (CDT))<br />
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==Dissolute Diplomat==<br />
Mike, can you check your copy of "Dark Night in Toyland" and see if "Walt Willis" is credited on "Dissolute Diplomat"? My paperback doesn't, which seems strange: British pubs usually stay quite consistent between hc and pb editions. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:00, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:No credit to Willis at all. I checked copyright statement, title page, ToC, and story heading. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 14:19, 24 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: Cheers: I finally got around to making the edits, let me know if anything looks wrong. Or if you just wanted the variant the other way round. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 15:55, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Omni or Coll.? ==<br />
<br />
Mike I have a Jules Verne novel(1958) "From the Earth to the Moon -and A Trip Around It(Round the Moon) described as "Modernized Abridgment". From Earth.. is 80 pages and A Trip... is 125 pages. What do you think would be the right classification?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:20, 27 Mar 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think I'd call it a novel, still, but I'd put a note on the publication explaining the situation. Using alternative titles (e.g. "<title> (abridged)" has been discussed, but that brings other problems. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:34, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Brin1==<br />
Just a heads-up that you may want to be even more careful with Brin1's edits: I suspect he's constructing publications from reviews, or something equally strange. :-(<br />
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The one that caught my eye was "Judge Dredd: Wetworks" - the publication title is debatable as to whether the "Judge Dredd" is part of the title, but the author is definitely "Dave Stone" rather than "David Stone". (I used to know him quite well, I even used to stay at his house when I was dating one of his house-mates: he's definitely not the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?David%20Stone older David Stone] that we have as a cover-artist that Brin1's edit ended up with.) I've put the title and author back to the correct ones (Brin1's edit at least gave us a pub with a different price) but to keep the review link I've also edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BNDFNTSSCB1995 this magazine] - that may not be correct, but we'd need another "David Stone" even if that's the way it's printed in the magazine. :-/<br />
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I'm not sure if Brin1 has any more surprises up his sleeve, but he's not responding to his talk-page so all it seems I can do is warn the reviewers. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:27, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:OK, thanks for the note. I know I'm not the most thorough moderator we have, so reminders to be extra careful are worth it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:23, 2 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I sure wish there was a way to pop-up a message as I just held few more Brin1 but if s/he is not reading the talk I'm not sure how useful it is to add more notes. Overall, I believe many of the brin1 edits are good and in fact just approved one where I did a double-take as it was a book I have and s/he added a note very much like one I would have added. I had to go look and see if s/he was adding a duplicate pub but it turned out I had not added the book to ISFDB yet. {{Marc Kupper}} 13:58, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::I have been thinking about requiring an e-mail address at account creation time, but then again, it may scare away potential casual contributors, e.g. published authors... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:42, 4 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::::The DB side of things could check for "new messages" and link to the user's talk page. {{Marc Kupper}} 11:35, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Amazing-The Rain of Fish ==<br />
<br />
Mike The essay is included in the contents page but is nowhere in the magazine. My original edit did not include it. Did you read my question about the omni or coll. If a novel has been abriged(severly) is it still a novel or short story?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:26, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think the best thing to do is to put in a note as you have done, but not to add the content record, as the entry does not actually exist. If you agree I'll reject the submission; or if you prefer I can accept it and do a remove-title on the added record. Otherwise let me know how else we might approach this one. Sorry about the slow reply on the other question; I've answered above -- hope that helps. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 22:36, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: I thought it best to include what was in the contents page, because the essay maybe referenced somewhere else and if someone was looking for it they would find the note about it not being in the magazine. Although if you think its best than delete the submission. On the other question i'll treat them as novels and enter it as an omni, but not tonight have to go to london tomorrow, will be gone for a couple of days.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:00, 3 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden ==<br />
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Mike, you verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THVSNRWNDR1984 The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine/Wonders Hidden: Audubon's Early Years] by Le Guin and Sanders back in December. Would you say that, at 79 pages, Sanders's piece is a novella (as Locus describes it)? And do we want to change "Authors: uncredited" to Le Guin and Sanders? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:49, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Aargh. I hate estimating lengths. I'll do a rough word count on a page, and multiply, and see what I get. Re "uncredited": this format was based on an approach discussed on the CP, though I don't think there was a consensus. The idea was that a dos-a-dos book should be done as an anonymous omnibus, since placing authors at the pub level implied collaboration. The contents then get appropriate attribution at the title level. The discussion was really about Ace doubles, but of course it applies here too (these are dos-a-dos). So if you want to change them, that's fine, but I'm not sure it's worth it till we get a consensus on the definitive approach to doubles. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 09:00, 6 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification! I do remember the dos-a-dos discussion, alhtough it occurred while I was mostly busy elsewhere, so I may not have done it justice. Personally, I am inclined to enter dos-a-dos Authors at the Publication level as well since I tend to think of "uncredited" as something that we would want to use exclusively for anonymous authors and editors. However, it's not a huge deal and I can certainly wait until we sort it all out. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:51, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Well, I don't think that others are necessarily entering dos-a-dos works in the same way. Personally I think the right answer is a change in the software to permit special handling for this kind of book, but that will have to wait. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 08:19, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Aldiss/Starswarm ==<br />
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Mike, can you check and see if your copy has "Sector Grey" spelled with an "e" or "a" my copy is spelled "Gray" if yours is "e" than mine is a variant, thanks. I see my Rain of Fish is still on hold(to keep or not to keep that is the question?):-)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:46, 7 Apr 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Always Coming Home ==<br />
<br />
Do you think this should be classified as a collection? Some of the stories/songs appeared in other works but as there are so many publications it'll be a pain to add all of the stories to each one.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHMR1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon and am pretty sure it matches your edition as I have a copy.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWYSCH1985}} which you verified - I just added a cover image from Amazon but am unsure if it matches your edition.<br />
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re: pub {{p|LWSCMNGHML1986}} which you also verified - You have the ISBN as 0-575-038555-1 but that's one digit too long though ISFDB does not complain about it. I guess the only clue is the header is "Catalog ID:" and not "ISBN." I believe the ISBN should be 0-575-03855-1 as in {{amazon|0575038551}} and {{amazon.co.uk|0575038551}} and so updated the publication record.<br />
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{{Marc Kupper}} 19:08, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think of it as a novel; a reverse fixup, if you like -- bits are easily publishable elsewhere. Yes, both images are right; and I rechecked the ISBN and you are correct on the fix -- good catch. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:47, 19 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Mankind Under the Leash, Thomas M. Disch ==<br />
Mike, you verified the first Ace [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?PLNTXLE1966 publication] of this title, but did so showing the author(s) as "Uncredited." Did you mean that about the cover artist or the writer(s)? I was scanning an eBay auction today, and saw a copy with Disch's name on the cover... ([[User:Scott Latham|Scott Latham]] 21:04, 27 May 2007 (CDT))<br />
:Hi, Scott -- it's uncredited because of the approach I was taking at the time, which is that an Ace double is an omnibus with an anonymous editor. The individual books get credited to the authors, but the overall title is not credited to either.<br />
<br />
:The alternative is to credit the book to both, which just seems ugly to me. I think that the right answer, long-term, is to have special display logic for anonymous omnibuses or dos-a-dos books. For now, deal with it however you think best -- we never reached a consensus to use this approach, though there was no agreement on any other representation of dos-a-dos books either. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 13:58, 29 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: I personally credit both authors though know the [[Template:PublicationFields:Author|help]] says to state it as "N/A" though {{a|n/a}} shows that that only one person read and followed that bit of help implying the help page should be updated to drop the reference to "N/A" but I'm not sure if people-consensus is that they use "uncredited" or state the author names. {{Marc Kupper}} 15:00, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Welcome back ==<br />
<br />
Mike, I see you must have had more than two consecutive minutes for ISFDB recently and so figured I'd welcome you back and may even send you some DAW verifications to look into though not until the weekend. {{Marc Kupper}} 14:46, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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: Yes, welcome back! I know I've added some DAW stuff recently (from Josh Kirby cover-art references mostly, I think, and all the pages they led me to) so there is probably work to be done fixing up my and/or my publications errors. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:04, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Page numbers for artwork ==<br />
<br />
I want to modify the help on interiorart so it explicity states what was relayed to me by Ahasuerus, namely, "Listing the first page on which a piece of art appears". The magazine used as an example is the December 1956 issue of '''Infinity'''. The first piece of artwork for the Lesser story is actually on page nine although the database entry lists it as page five. Since it is also acceptable (though not mandatory) to print the page number for each piece of art (and help should reflect this more explicitly) it seems like the actual page number where the art appears should used. Clarification?--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 11:14, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think there has been some debate on where to enter the artwork page number. If I recall correctly, I was arguing for making the page number the same as that of the story. The reason was that I thought it was likely we would not enter every single illo for a story; we would only record the fact that story X was illustrated by author Y. In that case, the page number couldn't in general reflect the page number of the artwork, so it seemed sensible to use the page number on which the story started.<br />
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:I don't think we ever got complete consensus on it, but we did agree that ''if'' you're entering every illo, you obviously do put the artwork in with page numbers referring to each illo in turn. The problem with that approach, for me, was that there were no titles for the illos; it didn't really seem to me that the multiple illos were separate delivered artefacts, any more than we index the chapters in a novel separately. But there was no consensus, so I suggest you do something consistent and reasonable and document it in the help. Does that make sense? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:55, 16 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I am going to change it to say that the first page where artwork is found should be used. Al and Ahasuerus intended this. It will save editing time if an eventual consensus is reached that all pages should be entered, which is what Al would like to do. Artists like Virgil Finlay and Hannes Bok take my breath away every time I come across a piece of their work; I consider each piece they do a seperate masterpiece.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 08:13, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::: I haven't been entering every illustration, but may eventually: as usual Marc keeps raising the bar. I notice that even he doesn't enter it all as Interiorart though, e.g. see what he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WHNTHGRNST0000 did here]. The titles are ''paraphrases'' of text in the main novel. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 12:43, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::: There ya go - makin'un 'ple of me 'gin. :-) The publication I entered should be viewed as an exception rather than as a "standard" on how to treat illustrations. In that case I entered the illustrations as the publication was unusual in several ways. 1) It has a list of illustrations page. 2) DAW books rarely have interior art. 3) The drawings are cool. I started to the enter the illustrations in the ISFDB contents but then realized they were titled using paraphrased text and did not have actual titles and so went with the publication notes.<br />
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:::: FWIW - I don't have a strong opinion on if and how illustrations should be entered. In one case I carefully described the illustrations for a Ursula Le Guin book, including the little dohickies at the start of each chapter and top of each page as the story had been reprinted by several publishers and I wanted other editors to be able to title-merge illustration credits if possible or if they cloned the publication to know if they should delete the illustrator credit. Usually though I just note the artist's name and either no page #, the first page of a story if there is more than one illustration, or the page # of the illustration if there's just one. The primary goal is to acknowledge that the person did the work so that if someone wants to collect a particular illustrator's work they will know where to find it. {{Marc Kupper}} 22:07, 19 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Change to verified pub Infinity, October 1956 ==<br />
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Changed Infinity's Choice from short story to essay because it is book review column.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 07:40, 26 Jun 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Runestaff ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added the cover-art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 your verified pub] if you'd like to check it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:15, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars ==<br />
Another heads-up that I added the price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123671 your edition] based on the review I found. Are the notes clear enough for your taste? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 07:28, 20 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson's After Doomsday ==<br />
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Mike, can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965 this verified edition] of Anderson's novel and see if the catalog number in the db is correct? Tuck shows the catalog number is 1798. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:25, 22 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Tuck's right; don't know why I made that mistake, but I'm glad you spotted it. I've fixed it. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:19, 28 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I've added a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128141 cover image] --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 16:47, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie ==<br />
<br />
Added a cover and artist update to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?STRPRNCCHR1976 Star Prince Charlie]. Does it match? [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 07:31, 9 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Poul Anderson, The Warriors From Nowhere ==<br />
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Copied from verification page.<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1980 Agent of the Terran Empire] Ace, 0-441-01066-0 it's The Warriors From Nowhere. In the other four publications of that title it's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?62695 Warriors from Nowhere]. Can someone with one of those pubs please check. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GNTFTHTRRN1977 Coronet] edition was verified by Mike Christie, I'll ask on his talk page also. Thats a British edition, so I'd still like to know about the other US editions. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 22:41, 13 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:: Mike, I've added cover-art to that pub as I believe I have the identical edition. I'll respond to the verification request as well. However, I also corrected the "Honourable Enemies" entry back to the British spelling it actually has, so please double-check that too - I'm beginning to worry about US printings being overstamped for the UK market, although I've not seen that in Coronet yet. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 13:10, 14 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Home page protected ==<br />
Mike - your home page has turned into a target for OamTra. I protected it as it looks like the only people who normally edit it are moderators but did not add <nowiki>{{protected}}</nowiki>. Your user-talk page is still unprotected. {{Marc Kupper}} 23:50, 22 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
Just a heads-up that I added cover-art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 verified pub] and standardised the ISBN. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:38, 27 Aug 2007 (CDT)<br />
And cover-art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16086 this pub]. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:30, 9 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Merman's Children ==<br />
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I've added the cover art[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22013] plus a note about the printing.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:51, 11 Sep 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Caviar ==<br />
DGeiser13 added art to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6458 verified pub], please check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 10:49, 13 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash ==<br />
I've added covers to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26239 Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash] if you'd like to check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 09:39, 28 Oct 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Butterfly Kid ==<br />
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I added cover art to your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36689 this novel]. As I have the same edition I can safely assume it has the same cover as yours. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:38, 7 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== The Sword and the Stallion ==<br />
Can you please check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSWRDNDTH1984 verified pub] - the Publisher and ISBN don't seem to match up. (Panther would normally be an 0586 prefix.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:29, 24 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== change to title in pub you verified ==<br />
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I'm changing an author's name in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?806309 this omnibus (Ace double)] from "Avaram Davidson" to "Avram Davidson". I think everything in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RCNNNSW1966 the pub itself], which is what you're listed as having verified, actually had it correctly. Please let me know if this is a problem. Thanks! -- [[User:Davecat|Dave (davecat)]] 16:07, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Mike is on an extended ISFDB vacation, so we may want to repost this request on the Verification board in case somebody has a copy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:44, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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::Oh, I see that you have already posted on the Help Desk! Never mind then :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:53, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Could you please check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89769 this pub] you have verified; I would like to know if ''112 • Strictly Confidential • shortfiction'' was by Gordon Dickson or Gordon R. Dickson. Something wrong happened to the author's record and we are trying to recover the missing info. Thanks. I'm also posting this on the [[ISFDB:Verification_requests|Verification board]]. --[[User:Roglo|Roglo]] 15:16, 11 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== The Star Fox ==<br />
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I have uploaded an image for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117861 verified publication] plus added a couple of notes. {{Marc Kupper}} 04:49, 23 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== Note to the outside world ==<br />
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It would be great if we could co-ordinate our work with yours. I would be glad to re-prioritize some of the tasks I am likely to do if they are consistent with your goals. I think I have pretty much exhausted my collector's budget for a lifetime but I do have nearly all of the mags from the 50's and the major titles from the 60's. My collection is quite accessible so if I have a pub that is not in your collection feel to ask questions.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 21:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't think I'll have much need for you to reprioritize data entry -- I have good index references, as well as having a decent collection (if not as good as Ahasuerus's). If I do have a need to look at a 50s or 60s issue that I don't have, I'll definitely ask you. That could come up if I have a question about something that the indexes don't cover, such as circulation figures, in an issue I don't have. Thanks for the offer.<br />
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:One thing that the ISFDB doesn't do well, though the data is there, is to look at a magazine over a period of time. For example, in the bibliographic details for each magazine, I like to be able to list the changes in page count and size, and the use of different internal features like letters, or science articles. There's no easy way to do most of this in the ISFDB, though you can look up this information issue by issue. At least it's there. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Circulation figures ==<br />
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Mike Ashley's ''Gateways to Forever'' which covers the sf mags of the 70's also has tables in Appendix 5 which list magazine circulation figures for 1962 through 1980.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 15:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Outstanding! Thanks for letting me know; I have that book but hadn't noticed. Much appreciated! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 10:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::Just stopping by to say "Hi!" and point out that your signature link to the Talk page seems to be broken :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::A link to the page being displayed always shows as bold rather than a clickable link. That is a feature of the MediaWiki software. Look at any of my sigs on my talk page. [[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 17:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, very devious! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Fox versus H. Fox ==<br />
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I've taken the liberty of adjusting several of your verified pubs to reflect the cover-artist as I read the signature. There's an [[Bio:H._Fox|H. Fox]] that seems to have done many of the Badger Books and Magazines, but I don't think it's the same person as [[Bio:Fox|Fox (no "H"]]. If you've got a magnifying glass handy, and some spare time for ISFDB, can you please check to see if there's a little "H" under the "Fox" on your Badger covers? The "Fox" probably also has an underline coming off the "X". The most dubious edit I made was probably to {{P|BDGRSNS73|name=Supernatural Stories Number 73}} which has a slightly different signature to my eyes, see [http://www.peltorro.com/sn073.jpg here]. But I'm working from secondary sources so a good Primary re-check would be good. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date to verified ==<br />
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I added a printing date to your verified THE TOMBS OF ATUAN (THTMBSFTNS1980). from a later printing.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarians of Mars ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added the artist J. Cawthorn to your verified ''{{p|123151|name=Barbarians of Mars}}''. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 06:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Ground Zero Man ==<br />
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Added $AUS & $NZ prices to {{P|GRNDZM1971A}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG01136] . My copy matches yours except the copyright pages says "First Pocket Books printing December 1984". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 22:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Hi, Mike! Just did a Currey and Transient on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} and there is a signature on the bottom left corner of the cover (not Powers') but I can't quite make it out. Maybe you can recognize it?--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 22:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling-cover artist not Vaughn Andrews ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THTLLNG2000] . My copy matches your verification. This is the cover. [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DAS01XMPL.jpg] . In checking the backcover inner flap I found this in my copy. Jacket art (figures) copyright Hulton-Deutsch Collection / CORBIS (over) Jacket design by Vaughn Andrews. As I understand it, Andrews was not the cover artist. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 23:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Pan edition of Case and the Dreamer ==<br />
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Locus #199 (February 1977) gives a January 1977 publication for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CSNDTHDRMR1974 your verified edition] of this title. Does your copy show a publication date or the copyright date of 1974? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I own the same edition I believe (that's my cover, with the sticker damage). The copyright page only gives copyright date of 1974, no clear printing date. It's also erroneous in that it gives "Case and the Dreamer"'s original printing as Galaxy January 1972 rather than 1973. I'm happy to move this to 1977-01-00 if the rest of you are. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::That was one of the very first verifications and Mike hasn't been active here in over a year, so I think it's safe to correct the record and take over the verification. I believe that Mike is still active on Wikipedia, so if you want to be 110% sure, you can drop him a note there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Barefoot in the Head ==<br />
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Added some prices and a note about no credited artist to your verified pub {{P|BRFTNTHHDQ1974}}. Mant of the verifiers have said they don't need to have a note if all I am adding is various prices. Please let me know your preferences. Thanks & cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 17:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THGHTMNTHR1975}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Same additions to {{P|THMLCTPSTS1978}}. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Dialogue With Darkness ==<br />
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Added some notes to your verified pub {{P|DLGWDRK1985}} re: first printing, CDN ISBN shown as well, $C price. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Star Prince Charlie 2 ==<br />
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Massaged the notes of {{P|STRPRNCCHR1976}} as, with a small magnifying lens, the signature is quite legible. Not sure if all or part of the original notes were yours or DCarson's. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Do note that two sections of a talk page with the same title (e.g. "Star Prince Charlie") will misdirect those of us checking Recent Changes. It's always good to make the section name unique. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Wasn't aware of that! I haven't checked previous contents of a talk page before, but now I will. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Manifold: Origin ==<br />
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Added some notes to {{P|MNFLDRGN2003}} about first PB edition and printing; no artist; $c price and that there is an excerpt in the back. Cheers! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile/ Mankind.... ==<br />
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Added the two interior artworks (both by Gaughan) to the contents of {{P|PLNTXLE1966}} with notes and some for cover statements, page counts, etc. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roccanon's World/Kar-chee Reign ==<br />
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One of the two interior art pieces (Kar-Chee half) has Gaughan's "JG" on it. {{P|RCNNNSW1966}} Amended the notes. Also added Wolheim's introduction to Rocannon's world to the contents. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mars Monopoly/The Man Who Lived Forever ==<br />
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Added cover images and some notes to {{P|TMNWLF1956}}. ~BIll, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape ==<br />
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Found Powers' signature on {{P|CSMCRP1958}} (''rmpowers'') on the bottom left corner of the front cover. Added that to the field and amended the notes. --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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[[User:Bluesman]] added a cover to your verified {{p|7202|City of Illusions}}. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 03:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Four Ways to Forgiveness ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|FRWYSTFRG1995}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Telling [2]==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THTLLNG2000}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orphan Star-added cover image/notation ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPHNSTRGXG1977]. I added the cover image and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 01:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Flinx in Flux- added cover/notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG03465]. I added the cover as per my copy compared to your ver. I added notation and deleted map to change it to "The Blight"(space map)(Flinx in Flux). I took the titling from the upper left corner, which explains the extent under the title. Note the two current space empires appear below it. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Bloodhype-- added cvoer image/ notation. ==<br />
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This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLDHPBTQRR1978]. I added the cover image as per my copy's match of your ver and notation. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Plus the note "Stated 3rd printing of March 1973 Del Rey edition." was expanded. Approved. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 21:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing Planes ==<br />
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Added notes and the interior illustrations to {{P|CHNGNGPLNS2003}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Eye of the Heron ==<br />
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Added a cover image and notes to {{P|THYFTHHRN1983}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 18:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 pub] appears to be an amalgamation of two different pubs: the Wallaby trade paperback first edition and the Tor paperback edition, both of which are already in the database. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THLFTHNDFD1976 THLFTHNDFD1976]. Stumbled across it while looking for one for my later printing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 26 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Midworld ==<br />
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Added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDWRLDFFCD1976 MDWRLDFFCD1976] that matches my copy of the same 1st edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Content titles in Mission to Moulokin ==<br />
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Hi. I added my 1st printing ''Mission to Moulokin'' by cloning your {{P|MSSNTMLKNX1979}} 2nd printing entry. I noticed that the bare "About the Author" and "Map" content titles don't conform to the current practice of embedding the containing work title parenthetically. Of course, there's also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Titles_for_Maps_as_Content this discussion] about titling maps, but be that as it may.... I was thinking that while I noticed it I would change the title records. If I understand correctly, I would edit this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268211 About the Author] title and this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?268201 Map] title. And then since I don't know how it all ties together, I'd go check the pubs with content using those titles and verify that the change was reflected in them. :-)<br />
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Do you agree, and, if so, is the above the right way to go about it? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul ==<br />
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I added coverart and some notes on your verified pub {{P|BKTG05433}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 17:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I added Wilson McLean as coverartist (credited on the copyrightpage). Thanks [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge ==<br />
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I added a cover image and notes to your verified pub {{P|THGLDNBRGF1979}}--[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 02:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions -- notes and interiorart ==<br />
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I added a Jack Gaughan INTERIORART credit and some notes to your verfied {{P|CTYLLSNS1967}} based on my copy of the same edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Other Wind ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|OTHRWND2001}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|WZRDFRTHSR0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Wind's Twelve Quarters ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|THWNDSTWLV0000}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to user rights ==<br />
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Just to let you know that there was a discussion of the best way to handle inactive moderators over on [[ISFDB talk:Policy]]. The executive summary of the discussion is that a moderator who hasn't been active for a over a year will have a hard time keeping up with all the policy and software changes that we have been going through. [[ISFDB:Policy]] has been updated accordingly and, since you haven't been active since mid-2007, I have turned your "moderator" flag off, so when you come back, you won't be able to approve submissions. No need to panic, though :) as we have a list of [[Moderator Qualifications]] and you can reclaim the ability to approve submissions once you go through the process. Hope to see you again when you have time for the ISFDB! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in the Far Future / Tales of Outer Space (Ace Double D-73) ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|ADVFFTOS1954}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 00:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences ==<br />
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I added a cover to your verified pub {{P|BFFLGLSNDT1990}}. Thanks. --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 03:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's Always Coming Home ==<br />
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Are you certain about the date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LWYSCH1985 this pb edition] of the title? That is very close to the hardcover edition, and before the UK edition. There is a record almost identical dated January 1987. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 17:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Warriors of Mars [2]==<br />
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Added cover images to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WRRRSFMRSL1965 this]] and the other two Compact pub records. The price is clear in the image if you want to adjust the notes. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Sundered Worlds ==<br />
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Added a cover image to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSNDRDWRL1965]]--[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, October 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover photo to your verified pub: {{P|FANTUNIVOCT1956}} -- [[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 09:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - August 1958 - Cover ==<br />
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I Added a cover image to you pub {{P|FANTUNIVAUG1958}} - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe - Cover Photos ==<br />
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I added covers to your verified pubs: {{P|FANTUNIVAUGSEP1953}} {{P|FANTUNIVJUL1954}} {{P|FANTUNIVJAN1959}} --[[User:Phileas|Phileas]] 18:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Touch of Strange'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/ciu/5d/ac/9b54012912a0480bb0702210.L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|TCHFSTRNGZ1978|A Touch of Strange}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash - Publication Month ==<br />
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I identified the month of publication for {{P|PLNTXLE1966|Planet of Exile / Mankind Under the Leash}} as October based on the information in the third printing of {{P|PLNTFXLNJZ1973|Planet of Exile}}. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 04:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cosmic Rape - replaced cover image ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37543]. I matched your ver and found the image url broken. I replaced it matching my copy. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?EPLBSU1956] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyond Fantasy Fiction #9 -- Queen's Mate questions ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|BEYONDF91954|Beyond Fantasy Fiction, # 9 1954}} is a Jean M. Janis shortstory, {{T|81609|Queen's Mate}}, and on the same page an inteview by Ashman, also titled {{T|236851|Queen's Mate}}. Is this correct, and, if so, what author is the subject of the interview, Janis? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Never mind. I found a scan and know it should be INTERIORART instead of INTERVIEW. I will submit a change. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FTRDMSDGHT1965] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion Shall Rise ==<br />
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I added a cover image to your verified pub {{P|BKTG01136}}. I also changed the publication date from 11/84 to 12/84 as is listed on the copyright page. If you have additional information that indicates the earlier publication, let me know and I'll change it back. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 01:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added the roman numberd pages and the introductory essays to your verified pub {{P|THBRKNSWRD1971}}. Thanks. ~Ron --[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] 04:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THWRDFRWRL1976] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Ace Double D-162 [2]==<br />
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Added artist credits for both covers courtesy of the ACE Image Library to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 23:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== U. F. O. 517 ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:FWSSZLBBFG1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== What Entropy Means to Me ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WHTNTRPMNS0000.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89801 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 12:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:CCHLTFMVBL1980.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Medusa's Children - added cover image/start page number ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MDSCHL1980]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LUIB9NV8L.jpg], and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 12:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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Added a cover image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Catalog ID ==<br />
I've uniformated this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THFCFXVTGJ1960 CatalogID]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== M. D'Antona ==<br />
The cover of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLCKBSSXBN1960 publication] is not credited, but the artist is M. D'Antona: see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RMNZDRNNCG1959 Urania #213]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:06, 31 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Badger Books ==<br />
I've modified for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THSTRNGNSP1963 publication] the publisher in '''Badger''' to make uniform the publisher.--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 07:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified the title of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105991 publication] as ''Out of This World: Supernatural Stories, No. 15'' and added a cover--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106001 SN38]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 17:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106151 SN46]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 18:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I've modified editor, add note, add month, artist, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THGLDNCHLC1961 SN50]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 19:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106171 SN60]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 12:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month and cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106181 SN66]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 13:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added artist, month, cover at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106191 SN70]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106201 SN73]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 14:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106231 SN98]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 22:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, artist at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?106241 SN102]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br>I added month, cover, lenghts at this publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BDGRSNS105 SN105]--[[User:ErnestoVeg|ErnestoVeg]] 23:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Volteface'' -- cover image ==<br />
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I added [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YD0OLhh-L.jpg this image] to your verified {{P|VLTFCXZQJV1977|Volteface}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Bull and the Spear ==<br />
I added the cover artist to your verified pub {{P|THBLLNDTHS1975}} after having verified it at [http://www.multiverse.org/imagehive/v/bookcovers/books/mikebooks/tbats/ this] site. I noted my source and added the non UK pricing while I was in there. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Fireclown ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THFRCLWNHQ1965.jpg this cover scan] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122431 this verified pub]. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Searoad ==<br />
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Added an image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SEARD1991 this]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 02:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rainbow Abyss ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|1314781|The Rainbow Abyss}}. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 08:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Equator ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?QTRNDSGRGT1973 Equator] but the copyright page of my book states "first nel paperback edition june 1973" and below "Reprinted june 1973", two printing for the same month ? Do you think I must create a new publication ? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Helliconia spring ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HLLCNSPRNC1983 Equator] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Report on probability A ==<br />
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Added a cover scan and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RPRTNPRBBL1973 Report on probability A] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The corridors of time ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCRRDRSFT1975] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mirkheim ==<br />
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I also have a 1986 version of this book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MRKHMWJPVD1986 here] but the price is £ 2.50 and it is stated "reprinted 1983,1986 (twice)" on copyright page, which suggests a fourth printing overall. Can you verify your copy so that i can eventually add this printing. BTW, the artist if Peter Elson (see PE on the ship bottom left). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== No world of their own ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NOWORLD1962 here] [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== For Love of Mother-Not ==<br />
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Added cover for {{P|14161|For Love of Mother-Not}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 04:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Canopy of Time - artist added/confirmed/notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCNPFTMZZ1972]. I added Bruce Pennington as artist after confirmation in "Ultraterranium" by Bruce Penningtion, page 20. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Dec 1959 - added cover/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVDEC1959]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LI6PZ39BL.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe Mar 60 - added cover image/notation ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVMAR1960]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515BPYUeu5L.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two", page 68. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Incorporated Knight ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to {{P|107861|The Incorporated Knight}} [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 19:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Broken Sword ==<br />
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I added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THBRKNSWRD1971 The Broken Sword] to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?26 Ballantine Adult Fantasy] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:23, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LFTHNDDRKNSS1969 The Left Hand of Darkness]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WZRDRTHS1970 A Wizard of Earthsea]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ONEMTOM1970 One Million Tomorrows]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?31 Ace SF Special 1] pub series. I also added a cover scan link. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly ==<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMNWLF1956 The Man Who Lived Forever / The Mars Monopoly]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1 Ace Double] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 04:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I added an interior art credit for Tschirky to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WTS1948 verified pub]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== cover for ''Gloriana'' ==<br />
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[[User:Dsorgen|Dsorgen]] has added a cover to your verified {{P|128191|Gloriana}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:31, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Norton Book of Science Fiction: North American Science Fiction, 1960-1990 ==<br />
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Add a cover image and a note on the printing line to {{P|NRTNBKSF19XX|your verified pub}}. Thanks. --[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 14:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Note on "Eye of the Heron" ==<br />
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I added a note to your verified pub {{P|THYFTHHRN1983|Eye of the Heron}} that the artist's signature is on the front cover. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Buffalo Gals, by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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The anthology [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39287 Buffalo Gals] has 5 different verified editions. Three of those include a content listing for "Come Into Animal Presence", poem by Denise Levertov, on p. 14. Two publications, including [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BFFLGLSNDT1990 your verified] edition does not include that content listing. Could you check your copy to see if that belongs in there? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's there; page 14. Sorry I missed it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 04:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I think the original TOC must have been pulled from Locus (or somewhere), and they missed it, since three versions (2 verified and 1 unverified) had that item omitted. I've added that poem to this collection, and the other two have been updated similarly. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover for Tehanu ==<br />
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[[User:Bgibbard|Bgibbard]] has added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/2/21/THLSTB1990.jpg this cover] to your verified {{P|1530114|Tehanu}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hoka! ==<br />
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There appears to be two records for the same pub, and they've been verified by two different editors. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKZKJHRQND1983 Yours] is dated 1983, and I'm pretty sure the mass-market edition wasn't published until 1984. It also gives the publisher as Wallaby, who only published the trade paperback edition. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HKA1985 other verified record] has the same ISBN, price and page count as the record you verified. Can you check them out when you get a chance? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow on Heaven ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128501 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Tales from Earthsea'' ==<br />
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I've added a cover image, from Amazon, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34251 verified copy] of this edition. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Among Out Contributors" ==<br />
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Hi, I assume this should be "Our" instead of "Out" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?224941 here] [[User:Jonschaper|Jonschaper]] 01:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Virgin Planet (Mayflower-Dell 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I've found a scan saying the price is 3/6 on [http://www.sfreviews.com/displays/Poul%20Anderson_1959_Virgin%20Planet.htm SF Reviews].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I added the price and the scan I used for the price. You remark in the note field coul;d therefore be dropped.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compass Rose'', by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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In keeping with what has become the current standard, I've updated the page count in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 verified copy] of this publication from "271" to "xii+271". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== More than Human ==<br />
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Hi, I've made {{P|94731|More than Human}} part of the ''Corgi SF Collector's Library'' series. I also added the ISBN number.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Treshold ==<br />
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Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|101341|Treshold (Panther, 1982)}} into Panther / Granada on account of the name Granada being the sole publisher named on the cover (to be more exact: on the spine) and also being named on the title page (as was already stated in the notes). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:15, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Found artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a coverscan and notes (there weren't any) for {{P|112391|Enemies of the System (Triad Panther, 1980)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:And he also added a cover scan and note to your verified {{P|112491|Last Orders}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I've also changed the complete title to "Enemies of the System: A Tale of Homo Uniformis" to reflect the information given on the title page. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Starswarm ==<br />
Hi, I've changed the publisher of {{P|107201|Starswarm (1985)}} from Panther Books - imprint of Granada into Panther / Granada, added a coverscan and elaborated the notes, especially about the confusing mentioning of publisher names on this book (Grafton, Panther and Granada al being mentioned at some place). --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a scan for {{P|131151|A Knight of Ghosts and Shadows (Sphere, 1984)}}. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Left Hand of Darkness Ursula K. Le Guin 1983 ==<br />
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Could you check a cover from this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100971 pub]? I think it may be the same cover from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189029 1st] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?119161 3rd] editions by Tim White. [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 16:05, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Quest for Tanelorn ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128231 The Quest for Tanelorn] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 23:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Phoenix in Obsidian ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan and artist attribution to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128121 Phoenix in Obsidian] [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 00:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency ==<br />
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Hi, I have submitted cover and artist for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10224 pub]. --[[User:Pips55|Pips55]] 20:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Ursula K. Le Guin cover images ==<br />
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I've added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100861 Eye of the Heron] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101291 The Compass Rose]. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Word for World Is Forest", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the cover artist for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?100801 verified publication], based on the "Powers" signature at the bottom right corner, and the identification of this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Powers_LAZ_org.jpg signature] in our collection of artists' signatures. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I have added all the notes to {{P|2325|Always Coming Home}}. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 19:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, April 1956 ==<br />
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I linked to a cover scan for the April 1956 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89730 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, May 1954 ==<br />
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I've linked to a cover image for the May 1954 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89681 Fantastic Universe]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:20, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== DAW Collectors publication series ==<br />
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In filling out the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1544 DAW Collectors Books] publication series, I have a question about a book that you verified. C. J. Cherryh's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?195933 Fires of Azeroth], 3rd printing, has a note with the "DAW Collector's Number". Since many reprint editions didn't actually list this number, I was hoping you could tell me whether this note was "inherited" from other editions of the book, or whether it actually appears on this edition of the book, and if so, where -- e.g. on the cover, the spine, or the copyright page. Thanks much, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Added additional international prices ==<br />
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I added the other prices to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116591][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25131][[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Unlocking the Air and Other Stories ==<br />
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Expanded the notes for {{P|52881|Unlocking the Air and Other Stories}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:20, 20 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Malacia Tapestry by Brian W. Aldiss ==<br />
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Only chimera was used for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115621 this] cover from art by Peter Goodfellow (from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401733 The Flights of Icarus]). [[User:BarDenis|Denis]] 20:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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Added scan and notes for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93991 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Lathe of Heaven ==<br />
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Added cover image and notes to {{P|100821|this pub}}. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 17:07, 1 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Solomon Leviathan", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a cover image, and a couple of minor notes, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101371 verified copy] of this publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist for "The Dispossessed" (first printing of Gollancz SF Masterwork edition) ==<br />
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Hi. You did a Locus1 verification of {{P|109841|this pub}}, which is why I am contacting you. I believe the pub you verified has the wrong cover artist (Jim Burns), and I would like to fix this. Some background: I own a {{P|404674|3rd printing}} of the book where Chris Moore is credited as the cover artist. Rtrace owns a {{P|289330|6th printing}} of the book where Jim Burns is credited. In addition, Locus1 ([http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/b27.htm#A859 current link]) has a credit for Chris Moore for the first printing. This leads me to believe that the first few printings of the book miscredited the cover art (to Chris Moore), and that the publisher fixed the credit in either the 4th, 5th or (at the latest) the 6th printing. I propose the following changes to the first printing you verified (and will implement them if you agree):<br />
* Set the cover artist to "Chris Moore". Even though we know the attribution is probably false, it is the name that appears in Locus1, and thus probably also on the physical book<br />
* Add a note to the pub record (similar to the one in my verified pub) that explains the situation to future editors<br />
* Unrelated, but while I am already editing the pub record: Remove the "volume 16" note, since nowadays the publication series is recorded in a dedicated field<br />
Sorry for being so verbose, I didn't know how to explain this in less words. What do you think about the proposal? Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 15:06, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Unbound ==<br />
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I believe that {{P|358878|this pub}} is the exact same printing as {{P|115631|this pub}} that you PV'ed, and that the two records could therefore be merged. To confirm (or disprove) my theory, could you please have a look at the copyright page of your book and check the printing history that you find there? For comparison, in my book it says<br />
* Published by Triad/Panther Books 1982<br />
* Reprinted 1985<br />
I am not sure how Panther records same-year reprints, but I believe it is rather unlikely that they made two reprints of that book in 1985. Thanks for your time, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- yes, the copyright page matches exactly, so I think you're right. Re The Dispossessed above: I would suggest you go ahead on the basis of your judgement. I don't have that edition, and have no memory of whatever I did to do the verification via Locus. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 11:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Sorry for this (very) late follow-up, but I still had this "Frankenstein Unbound" issue on my TODO list from 1.5 years ago. I notice that your verified pub is still around - if you're still willing to go through with this, then I think the simplest way to do it would be for you 1) to delete the pub record that you PV'ed, then 2) to just add yourself to the list of primary verifiers on the other pub. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Visionary: The Life Story of Flicker of the Serpentine", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added a couple of notes to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101081 verified publication], i.e. everything after the first note. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 09:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cachalot ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82924 Cachalot]<br /><br />
Clarifying no number line in notes, adding LCCN from copyright page. Notifying all verifiers.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 14:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Terry Pratchett's Hogfather ==<br />
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Is [[http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514xkYhoiTL.jpg this link]] the cover for {{P|108081|your copy of Hogfather}}? I also have the 11th printing, same ISBN, and that is the cover on mine. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 23:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, that's the same cover as on mine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:20, 12 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, I have added it to the publication. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I would also like to make the following changes/additions: change Pages from 354 to 354+{16} to include unnumbered pages at the end, change page for The World of Terry Pratchett from 355 to [355] to indicate it is un-numbered, add note that cover artist is not credited in book. Is that OK? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I count ten leaves after 354 in my copy; the last two are just advertising, so perhaps you're not counting them? The other changes are fine. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 16:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I thought it was ISBDB policy not to count the ads in the back of books, but now that I look at the [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]] I don't see that. Not sure what is "standard." I was just counting the pages that have "The World of Terry Pratchett" on them. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 20:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I think I wrote the first draft of that help page, six or seven years ago; I have no memory of any discussion on that point. How about asking at the community portal to see what others do? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 21:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I was thinking of the "contents" area, where we definitely do not include ads. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 21:55, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Language of the Night ==<br />
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I see you did a Locus1 verification of the first US revised edition of {P|42684|The Language of the Night.} Did Locus1 give the publication date as 1992-05-00? My copy in hand has only one indication of the publication month, which is a small code of "0692P" on the inside flap of the front cover. I'm thinking I should note the discrepancy in the Notes. Amazon.com says 1992-05-00 for the date, too, but I don't know how reliable that is. Can't find any info on HarperCollins website (too long ago, no doubt). [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 00:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, haven't really been active here for years, so whatever verification I did I have no memory of. I do have a copy of Language of the Night but don't recall which edition it is; I can pull it and take a look if you like. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, more interested in seeing the Locus1 information -- or is that available on-line somewhere? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::OK, found it on-line [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b291.htm#TOP Locus1] but now I am not sure how to interpret what I see. The line for this book says " +The Language of the Night: Essays on Fantasy and Science Fiction (HarperCollins 0-06-016835-8, May ’92 [Jun ’92], $20.00, 250pp, hc, cover by Steve McLeod) Non-fiction collection of 24 essays and other non-fiction pieces about fantasy and sf, with introductions to each section. This edition has been extensively revised by the author; the original was published by Putnam in 1979 and edited by the late Susan Wood. First American edition of the revised edition (Women’s Press 1989)."<br />
::So, what do I make of the "May ’92 [Jun ’92]" business? [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 02:20, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::That's also something that someone at the Community Portal might know. My best guess would be that the two dates are the official publication date and the date the book actually first appeared; they're certainly not always the same. I remember seeing a 1998 copyright book on a station bookstall in late December 1997. I don't know which would be which, though the later one is more likely to be the official one. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 03:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::The date in brackets is given as being [Date first seen] in the physical copies of the Bronw/Contento indexes. For me, when this date is only slightly later than the Publication Date, it doesn't have any bibliographic meaning(only that Locus' mail was peraphs delayed). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Diana Wynne Jones' ''Changeover'' ==<br />
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When a work such as this one is borderline, we tend to err on the side of inclusion. I've added a description to the title record which would lend credence to the work being speculative fiction, but perhaps not science fiction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:OK. Thanks for the note. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 12:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe ==<br />
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Hello, have added covers (from galactic central) for several of your verified issues of "Fantastic Universe". Thank you. [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]] 00:23, 14 February 2013 (UTC).<br />
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== The Garden on the Moon ==<br />
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Hello, I accepted your submission. There are a few open questions left, however: 1) Well, the English translation is from 1965, so the date for the introduction should be also 1965 (we handle translations as substantially different texts). 2) Maybe it'd be better to rename the Introduction as 'Introduction (Garden on the Moon)'. As at this point we only have one Introduction by Boulle, but it seems possible if not likely that there will be others (and we differentiate same titles by giving the information in parenthesis). 3)If it's really 'The Garden on the Moon' and not 'Garden on the Moon' this would really have to be made into yet another variant title. Do you already know how to unmerge and variant? Thanks for your submissions anyway! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it's really "The Garden on the Moon" on the title page. I used to know how to unmerge and variant, but have forgotten. Looking at the help pages it seems the first step is an unmerge while displaying the parent title, so I'll submit that to start with. Thanks for the other fixes. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted the submission to unmerge the UK edition, and because I was aware of what you were doing, went ahead and made it into a variant of the original French title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:35, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I went ahead and verified it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dancer from Atlantis ==<br />
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Hello, I've added some notes and replaced the amazon scan for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?116611 here], I've also changed the price from £0.70 to £0.75 as per my copy. Can you have a look at yours to see if it's correct? Thanks. Hervé [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1957 ==<br />
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Hello, I added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89770 this magazine] for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chris_DeVito Chris DeVito]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Intruders'' ==<br />
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Added to the Note for Fane/Fanthorpe's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105791 ''The Intruders''], re the availability of a facsimile PDF of this edition. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 01:54, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Also [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?106221 ''Unknown Destiny'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:00, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?105921 ''U.F.O. 517'']. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The High Crusade ==<br />
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Hello, the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41493 this] publication is Jack Faragasso, see [http://www.faragassoart.com/book/id20.html faragassoart.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959'' ==<br />
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A cover image has been added to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 ''Fantastic Universe, September 1959''] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?95241 ''Fantastic Universe, March 1959'']. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 02:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== About the Author (The Tombs of Atuan) ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:MartyD#The Tombs of Atuan|this discussion]] regarding the {{T|228421|About the Author}} which appears in your verified {{P|101011|The Tombs of Atuan}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Earth Book of Stormgate One ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with scan of verified copy here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118521 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 10:44, 13 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Lord of the Spiders ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon image with a scan of my verified copy http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127811 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 12:51, 15 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, March 1958 ==<br />
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Have added a a cover scan of my verified copy to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?91931 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 11:04, 7 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, September 1959 ==<br />
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Have added a note regarding Miller-Contento listing to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99921 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds ==<br />
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Have replaced the Amazon link with a scan of my verified copy in The Rebel Worlds http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 14:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Generic" content titles ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome back. You might want to edit the notice at the top of this page....<br />
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I don't know if it's a change, but current practice for generic (I think the help calls them "standard") content titles, such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Preface", etc. -- just about anything you could easily imagine appearing in other publications over completely different text -- is to disambiguate them by including the publication's title in parentheses, at the end. I did this to "Preface", "About the Editor", and "Notes on the Authors" in {{P|257517|I Shudder at Your Touch}}. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Makes sense; I recall that now. It's been a while! I'm selling a few hundred of my books and thought I'd do some verifications and updates on anything not yet verified before they leave my hands. I'll make sure I do that from now on. Thanks! [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
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== ''Snow White, Blood Red'' ==<br />
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A couple of questions/comments about {{P|173951|Snow White, Blood Red}}. I accepted the submissions, but:<br />
* Should the "Ellen Datlow" piece at the end be ESSAY instead of SHORTFICTION? I'm guessing it's a bio?<br />
* With the page count as you've supplied it, I think the pieces on p. 412 and beyond should have their page numbers in brackets per [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Page]].<br />
* See my previous note about disambiguating content titles. I'd consider that for "Recommended Reading", and it might be appropriate for the two author bios.<br />
Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Got it. Will go do that now; thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:15, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Clipper of the Clouds'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437545 this publication], but changed the publisher to "Scottie Books" to match the current publisher in ISFDB records. (If that's not correct, please change it back.) A question: what is on the 2 unnumbered pages at the end of the book? Unless there is significant text, such as the last two pages of the novel are unnumbered, or there's an afterword, etc., then recording them in the page count isn't usually done. We don't record pages that include advertising or catalog lists, a usual practice for paperbacks. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for the [6] pages added to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268941 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:27, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing data fields of primary verified records ==<br />
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It is ISFDB policy to discuss changes in the data fields of primary verified records with the editor who verified it. I'm holding your submission to add [5] pages to the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250308 this record]. Is there significant text on these pages? Otherwise, I'm certain the verifier would have included them in the original record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I knew that rule, so I apologize; I should have asked the verifier. There is no significant text on those pages, so I'd guess that the verifier simply ignored them. I take it that that's standard practice, then? Even if there are clearly unnumbered pages before or after the main text block, one doesn't indicate that with "[n]" unless there are content entries to be made from those pages? The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages help text] doesn't specify, so I wasn't sure. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]]<br />
::And I now see you've answered my question above. OK if I change the help text to say that? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Before making changes to help documentation, you should post a message on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions ISFDB:Rules and Standards discussions] page. If there is no objection, and no debate is generated within a couple of days or so, feel free to update the documentation. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Will do. I made a couple of other edits recently to the help text and will add links to those there too so they can be discussed. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Airmont edition of ''Round the Moon'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295411 this record]. The price would indicate that it was published several years after the original 1969 printing, probably circa 1980. (Look at the prices of other printings from this publisher.) Airmont sometimes indicates the printing date as a code on the last page or so of text. Perhaps your copy has such a printing code? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There's a "3-77" at the foot of the last page; is that a date? It's perfect bound so doesn't appear to be a signature identifier. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's the printing code. You can update the record and provide the source for the date in the Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Done. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 20:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Assassin's Apprentice'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437604 this record], but it wasn't sourced. I assumed you're working from a copy but didn't indicate that with the proper bullet (the default indicates that you would be providing your source in the Note field, but it's not there.) Also, if you include the excerpt from the end of the book as a content record, then the page count field should indicate that as well. Fifteen unnumbered pages would be entered as "435+[15]". It seems that none of the ISFDB records for other printings of this edition have the correct page count either. (Don't know how they got through moderation, and one of them is primary verified by a moderator. Oh, well.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:17, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with the page count field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437605 this record] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437606 this one]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Ouch. I knew that. Sorry, was careless there. Unfortunately I can't do an accurate page count now because I had to ship the books to a buyer. The 15 page addendum starts on 439 so goes through 453, but I don't recall if that's the last unnumbered page or if there were more blank pages after that. What's the best thing to do now? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 01:08, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Since you stated in the notes that the excerpt was 15 pages long, there's no need to record any of the blank pages or pages of advertising. So "435+[15]" should be fine. It doesn't matter what page it started on. The page count field gives the page count, not the pagination, which is a whole kettle of fish that we don't deal with here. A "stick-up-the-ass" bibliographer would give the pagination, for example as "[1-8],9-435,[436-438:blank],[439-453],[454-462:blank]". You can see now why we just give a simplified page count! Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Howard's ''Almuric'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that there is no ISBN stated in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179857 this publication]? I thought that by 1971, NEL had already started using them. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:There is an ISBN; I missed it -- it's just a string of digits at the bottom of the page with no explanation. I'll add it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:31, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::And thanks for doing the followup edits on the titlemerges, by the way! I appreciate it. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem at all. It's a lot easier for a moderator to do it, and I keep my eye out for such followup edits. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Binding/format for ''Time Must Have a Stop'' ==<br />
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This {{P|439319|Time Must Have a Stop}} addition came through with a binding/format of "unknown". I'm guessing you do know? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Oops; careless of me. Yes; fixed. I also added a note indicating that this is definitely not a first edition. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 15:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== 16th Pocket ''Contact'' ==<br />
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I believe your proposed 16th Pocket printing of ''Contact'' is a duplicate of {{P|289704|this}}, unless you meant a number other than 16. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:It must be; can't tell because I packed and shipped it. I thought I searched those pubs for a 16th printing but I guess I missed it -- thanks for catching that. And sorry for the slow response; I'm selling my house so things are a bit frantic. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. Good luck! I rejected the clone and moved the note about Canada price and the new content / page numbers to the existing entry. I'll leave Ron a note about the changes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Added cover image ==<br />
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... by a user to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89710 this magazine]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Conan from Sphere ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437790 About this record] I have a quick question. I see the ISBN you've listed for the book on the back cover, but a different ISBN inside on the title page (0722146914) from a previous printing. I believe that they did not update the ISBN when they reprinted the book. I plan to add a note to the record if that's ok with you. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 14:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== I add the other prices to the verified ==<br />
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I add the other prices to the verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 22:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== City of Illusions ==<br />
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Hi. I added a cover scan and some notes (9-digit ISBN, overseas prices) to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101251 your verified]. Furthermore, I think the writer's name should be recorded as Ursula K. LeGuin (in one word), and varianted to the canonical one, as it is spelt thus on both cover and title page. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:13, 12 May 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Tales of the White Hart ==<br />
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Added some notes and a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?90571 your verified]. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 09:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
:Added artist's name (Peter Goodfellow) from previous editions. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Edward Valigursky ==<br />
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Please see [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Ed(ward) Valigursky|this discussion]] regarding covers by Edward Valigursky. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fire Time ==<br />
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Hi, I have found the cover artist for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118841 Fire Time]. It is Colin Hay, see [http://www.chameleon-arts.com/colin-hay/jackets-10.html here].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 13:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Frankenstein Rebound, redux ==<br />
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This is just to ping you that I replied to an old discussion we had [[#Frankenstein_Unbound|further up on this talk page]]. Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 23:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow of Heaven ==<br />
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Hi. I think there is a typo in your verified {{P|128501}} where the Australian price should be 80c instead of 60c. Do you have any objections to me making that change? Many thanks. --[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 15:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Bloodhype'' ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon image of Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108291 ''Bloodhype''] with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 14:00, 2 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, January 1956 ==<br />
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Mike: Downloaded an image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89722 Fantastic Universe, January 1956]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Ditto for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89749 Fantastic Universe, June 1956]. As a sidebar, this may have been the first science fiction digest that I ever read, way back in '71 or '72. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 21:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Unlocking the Air", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I made a couple of minor edits to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52881 verified publication]: I added an "ix+" to the page count; added a note giving the title of the Paul Klee painting on the cover; and added the LCCN. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 14:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher for "Fantastic Universe" ==<br />
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We have 63 issues of "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18631 Fantastic Universe] entered, all of which have been verified. Of those, 62 have been verified with the publisher as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6775 King-Size Publications], and one verified by you with a publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?93401 King-Size Publishers]. Could you check whether that one odd issue was really entered correctly? Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Deep Fix - Colvin ==<br />
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Replaced cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38232 this book] with a better scan from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Golden Barge (Savoy) ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128371 this book] with one that includes the rear and also added other prices to notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin - Threshold ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101341 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Condition of Muzak ==<br />
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Added cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125951 this book] and just wanted to check. My copy dated August 1980 has the price £1.50 printed above a small back rectangular box (preumably hiding the original price). I'll make a note of that but could you let me know please. Thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Elric of Melniboné ==<br />
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Added full wraparound cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128261 this book] and other prices. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Rituals of Infinity ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128321 this book] is by Geoff Taylor from his website [http://www.geofftaylor-artist.com/galleries/cover-art/art/rituals-infinity here]. Record amended accordingly. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:24, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Queen of the Swords ==<br />
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Added cover scan taken from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?125921 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Runestaff ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122351 this book] with one from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:56, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock - The Sleeping Sorceress ==<br />
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Added cover art scanned from my own copy to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127481 this book]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:04, 27 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Palace of Eternity ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128441 thids book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Vertigo ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?127311 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 18:36, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "Buffalo Gals and Other Animal Presences", by Ursula K. Le Guin ==<br />
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I added the interior art illustrator to the contents of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101401 verified publication], as credited on the copyright page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Enemies of the System ==<br />
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Added two additional cover prices to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?112391<i>Enemies of the System</I>] from back cover of my copy. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 17:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Taran Wanderer ==<br />
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I added the (real) Jody Lee cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115891 Taran Wanderer], which you verified... [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 07:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Rebel Worlds - additional Pub Notes ==<br />
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Verifying my edition of your PV1'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841<i>The Rebel Worlds</I>], I added a couple of Pub Notes with some extra publication history, and additional pricing. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 15:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Colony - pub notes ==<br />
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Hi, I added a pub note and slightly re-arranged a couple of others on your PV of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?437868 <I>Colony</i>], [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 19:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Unforsaken Hiero - pub notes ==<br />
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I've added pub notes on pub history, cover artist credit and pricing to your P(T)'d [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278994<i>The Unforsaken Hiero</I>], and amended the 'Publisher' field in the metadata to show what's on the title and copyright pages. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 12:00, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dispossessed - special overseas edition? ==<br />
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Hi, I have a rather tatty ?th-hand 1975 Panther/Granada pb copy of <I>The Dispossessed</I>, but really need to check one detail before doing an additional verification of the copy it otherwise matches, your PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?101351 edition]. Could you let me know how your copy's copyright page compares with what's in mine? It reads as follows from the top:<br />
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:Granada Publishing Limited<br />
:Special overseas edition published in 1975 by Panther Books Ltd<br />
:[...address details...]<br />
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:First published in Great Britain by<br />
:Victor Gollancz Ltd 1974<br />
:Copyright © Ursula Le Guin 1974<br />
:[...printers details...]<br />
:[...legal warnings etc...]<br />
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If yours doesn't have the 'Special overseas edition...' line, then I imagine I can submit a New or Clone Pub submission. Thanks, [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 07:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Hi -- I'm no longer here much, but I stopped by for another purpose. I may eventually be able to pull this out of a box, but it'll be a while; I suggest you go ahead on the assumption I won't be able to look at this any time soon. Thanks. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:09, 14 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastic Universe, December 1956 ==<br />
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Added cover image to your verified {{P|89769|Fantastic Universe, December 1956}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:51, 31 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Night in Toyland ==<br />
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Have replaced the cover scan for our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8897 Dark Night in Toyland] with one that does not include a white background/border. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 22:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)</div>
Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Community_Portal&diff=410906
ISFDB:Community Portal
2015-12-14T02:07:36Z
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Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:MartyD&diff=410905
User talk:MartyD
2015-12-14T02:07:10Z
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Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Scott_Latham&diff=410904
User talk:Scott Latham
2015-12-14T02:05:37Z
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<div>Previous posts have been archived [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Scott_Latham/Archive here].<br />
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== The General's Wife-Straub ==<br />
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Uploaded cover scan to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?234509.[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 05:07, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hellfire Club - Straub ==<br />
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Uploaded cover scan for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41417. [[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 05:20, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Houses Without Doors - Straub ==<br />
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Uploaded panoramic cover scan and added print-run info to notes for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?154451. [[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 05:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:As noted in the message above, this user is no longer active, and this message should have been left on the PV2's page. Please keep these instructions for inactive verifiers in mind. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 09:33, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Floating Dragon - Straub ==<br />
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Uploaded cover scan for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233093.[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 05:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Wild Animals - Straub ==<br />
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Uploaded cover scan for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?154441.[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 05:54, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Bad Dreams - Newman ==<br />
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Added cover scan to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3517.[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 05:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Roadmarks ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?147561 Roadmarks] Adding notes about no number line & LCCN.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 15:26, 6 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Generation ==<br />
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I just added a cover to {{P|38389|The Devil's Generation}}. [[User:Ofearna|O&#39;Fearna]] 04:56, 29 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Going Home Again - Waldrop ==<br />
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Added cover scan and a couple of notes to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15694. [[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 22:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Let the Ants Try" in ''Mutants'' ==<br />
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Just a note that, after checking my copy of the hardcover edition, I changed the authorship of "Let the Ants Try" from "James MacCreigh" (an early Pohl pseudonym) to the canonical name in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23161 ''Mutants'']. We have quite a few older records entered back in the 1990s which have similar problems, although things are getting better. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:11, 9 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Ditto its appearance in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18113 ''In the Problem Pit'']. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:50, 9 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Classic Car Killer - Lupoff ==<br />
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Added cover scan and links to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?305012.<br />
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== A Cupful of Space ==<br />
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I expanded the notes for Clingerman's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413 A Cupful of Space]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Br-r-r-! ==<br />
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I expanded the notes for Conklin's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5342 Br-r-r-!]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:34, 6 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Also his ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52590 Twisted]''. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Ellison Wonderland ==<br />
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I expanded the notes for Ellison's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12096 Ellison Wonderland]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:18, 24 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Judgment Night - C.L. Moore ==<br />
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Added links and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19160 Judgment Night]. [[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 03:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:As the instructions above explain, this should have been posted on the page of the Primary 2 verifier, who is a moderator and still active. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Sepia Siren Killer ==<br />
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Added cover scan, credits and LCCN/OCLC links to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?131681 Sepia Siren Killer]. [[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 04:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== 'The Scarf' by Robert Bloch ==<br />
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Noticed that you can clearly see signature of George Salter (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27829) on the dust jacket. Suggest you add to record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:19, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Mrs. God - Straub ==<br />
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Added cover scan and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286674 Mrs. God].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 18:25, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Final Stage ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon link with scan of verified copy http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193073 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 10:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Gutbucket Quest ==<br />
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Have replaced the Amazon image with a scan and added some notes to The Gutbucket Quest http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41190 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 11:03, 16 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Timemaster ==<br />
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Added cover scan and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51657 Timemaster].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 02:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Darwin's Radio'' ==<br />
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Have added Greg Bear's 'Afterword' and two other essays that appear in our verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9142 Darwin's Radio]. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 16:26, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Added page numbers ==<br />
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I added page numbers to the verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34107].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 00:55, 26 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== '''In The Night Room''' ==<br />
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I have updated the notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?67225 In the Night Room], and I have added the OCLN, the LCCN, and the Canadian pricing for this book. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:43, 28 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Night-World ==<br />
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Added notes & links to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?160491 Night-World].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 18:19, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sneak Preview ==<br />
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Added links & notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?160581 Sneak Preview].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 20:44, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Long Result - John Brunner ==<br />
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Added artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43268 The Long Result].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 18:24, 4 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== I added cover credit to your verified ==<br />
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I added cover credit from the 1st Ace to your verified[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9296].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 22:15, 12 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:This editor is no longer active. (Read the notification message at the top.) This message should have been posted on the pages of the other primary verifiers, and should have been discussed before making a submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:19, 12 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Science Fiction Art of Vincent Di Fate ==<br />
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I made a few changes to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185589 The Science Fiction Art of Vincent Di Fate]. I changed the price to pounds, since the book was published in Great Britain, and moved the dollars to the notes. Added the introduction and, for now, one interiorart item to the contents and added other notes. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Square Root of Man ==<br />
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Hi, I have found the cover artist for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47722 The Square Root of Man]. It is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?173892 Stephen Miller], look [http://www.raggedclaws.com/home/2012/10/26/look-here-three-of-six-william-tenn-covers-by-stephen-miller/ here].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 15:17, 28 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Encounter with Tiber ==<br />
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Updated [here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12318] to almost mention page viii being numbered.<br />
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== Added OCLC link for {{P|47681|The Spinner}} ==<br />
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Hi there, I added an OCLC link for {{P|47681|The Spinner}}--[[User:Thync|Thync]] 19:51, 26 December 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Update for ''Eternity'' ==<br />
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What is the source for the change in publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12607 this record]? Gollancz doesn't provide such exact dating in their publications. All secondary sources should be cited in the Note field. I'll accept it, but you need to add the source. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:02, 19 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best of Henry Kuttner - Cover artist ==<br />
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Hi, I found the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117311 The Best of Henry Kuttner]. It is [http://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/111354226801/dean-ellis-the-proud-robot-1975-proud-robot Dean Ellis].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:49, 18 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Schrödinger's Kitten ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon cover with actual scan on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29066 Schrödinger's Kitten].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 16:39, 12 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Blood and Iron by Elizabeth Bear ==<br />
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I made some additions to the Notes on the trade-paperback version of {{P|85896|Blood and Iron}}. Added Canada price, source of artist credit, copyright info, links for OCLC & LCCN. No deletions or changes. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 23:00, 23 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== A Little Blue Book of Rose Stories by Peter Straub ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?184245<br />
is part of Borderlands Press's Little Book II series according to http://borderlandspress.com/shop/display-cases/little-books-volume-ii-display-case-series-1/ so I changed that on the title page, but you've primary verified the publication itself... [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 01:37, 27 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Mother Night ==<br />
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Added cover scan: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180245<br />
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== Ruins of Earth ==<br />
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Replaced cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190481 this book] with full wraparound version. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:37, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Whiskey and Water by Elizabeth Bear ==<br />
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Made some additions to notes on verified copy of {{P|146981|Whiskey and Water}} by Elizabeth Bear. Also changed cover link -- only difference is in the award listing under the author's name. The copy I have (which is a 1st printing by number line) says "Campbell-Award Winning Author of <i>Blood and Iron</i>." [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Mind Partner ==<br />
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I updated the notes on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191425 your verified pub] to note that the signature is visible in at least some copies. See discussion [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Mind_Partner|here]]. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 02:05, 14 December 2015 (UTC)</div>
Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Community_Portal&diff=410841
ISFDB:Community Portal
2015-12-13T17:26:53Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* Mind Partner */ new section</p>
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Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Mike_Christie&diff=344572
User talk:Mike Christie
2014-03-05T02:53:31Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* 16th Pocket Contact */ Thanks</p>
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Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Bluesman/Verifications&diff=343805
User talk:Bluesman/Verifications
2014-02-25T11:41:52Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* Images and notes: */ The New Adam</p>
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Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Herzbube&diff=343803
User talk:Herzbube
2014-02-25T11:40:25Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* Price on The New Adam */ Rephrase, since it's not moderated yet</p>
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Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Hauck/Archive16&diff=343802
User talk:Hauck/Archive16
2014-02-25T11:39:59Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* The New Adam */ new section</p>
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Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Herzbube&diff=343800
User talk:Herzbube
2014-02-25T11:39:00Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* Price on The New Adam */ new section</p>
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Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Mike_Christie&diff=343377
User talk:Mike Christie
2014-02-22T15:25:44Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* Binding/format for Time Must Have a Stop */ Fixed and a note</p>
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Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Community_Portal&diff=342822
ISFDB:Community Portal
2014-02-17T00:06:17Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* Bill Longley update */ Sad news</p>
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Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Jorssi&diff=342718
User talk:Jorssi
2014-02-16T13:47:43Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* I Shudder at Your Touch */ new section</p>
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Mike Christie
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive1&diff=342717
User talk:Stonecreek/Archive1
2014-02-16T13:44:14Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* Preface to I Shudder at Your Touch */ Thanks</p>
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<div>{{Welcome}} [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:05, 5 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Art in ''Quest'' ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome. I have a question and comment about your change to {{P|334271|Quest}}. Is Thomas Thiemeyer also the cover artist, or did he only do the six illustrations you mention in the new note? The "Artist" field is for the cover artist(s). Interior artwork is credited by adding another content entry (as you did for the illustration on p. 6). If you do not want to create one content entry per illustration, you can create on general entry (with no page number) using the title of the book and type INTERIORART, with the artist as author. You do not have to do this, I only mention it because I know the purpose of the "Artist" field is not always obvious. Welcome again, and thank you for contributing! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:10, 7 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, Marty. My real forename is Christian. Thank you for your question. I will change the comment into a content entry. And yes, Thiemeyer is also the cover artist.<br />
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== Countdown ==<br />
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Hello. I'm trying to understand the note for deleting {{p|334300|Countdown}} where you said "I found out that it's bibliographically incorrect in the ISFDB to give the original titles of stories instead of the translated (then variant) titles." It appears the title is stated as ''Countdown'' on http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3426057115.<br />
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Is the issue that all of the story titles in the contents are translated? If so, I think it's a little less typing to do edit-pub, add the German titles, "Remove Titles From This Pub", and to select and remove the English titles. One benefit is that you can copy/paste the author names and related stuff on the edit-pub screen as you fill in the German titles. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 02:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Marc. My real name is Christian Steinbacher. Thank you for your very useful suggestion. I deleted the old deletion request and submitted a change request. Yes, that makes ii a lot easier. Thank you, again [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:22, 8 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The ISFDB doesn't currently support translated title records for shortfiction (this feature is planned for the future, but that appears to be far down the road.) I believe Marc may have misunderstood your intentions with the first edit of this record. Shortfiction records for translated works should be entered using their original English title and merged with the title record already in the database. No variant titles records should be created for translated titles. I will reject the submission and restore the record to its original state. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, translations have proved to be a bigger can of worms than expected. On the plus side, I have more time for development now and I am slowly working my way through the accumulated odds and ends, so we are getting there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Hello, you two. As I understand the background of the ISFDB it is the common policy to give the variant titles of a work. And when Clarke's "The Lion of Comarre" is published as "Der Löwe von Comarre" this is an alternative title. So, why don't we file it as such? What remains to do is to make it a variant title, but this I have seen already hundreds of times and I'd do it, although it means a hell of a lot of work (but I keep notes). Also, there is (as I understand) work in progress to include translators and translations. I can understand that you don't want to have crammed the ISFDB with variant titles on the same level as the original works, but when you make them variant they are pushed to the right and marked as such. I fear that we opened the can of worms when we started working on the ISFDB, what do you think? So, be assured that I am willing to make variant titles when there are variant titles. What does look better (at least for the author) than an bibliography of a work of fiction than this, f.e. (for "Das Jesus-Video" by Andreas Eschbach):<br />
French: Jésus video, translated by Claire Duval. (Edition L'Atalante, Nantes 2001) ISBN 2-84172-167-1 <br />
Italian: Lo specchio di Dio. (Fanucci Editore, Roma 2002) ISBN 88-347-0892-X <br />
Japanese: (HAYAKAWA SHOBO, Tokio, 2003) ISBN 4-15-041030-5 und ISBN 4-15-041031-3 <br />
Polish: Wideo z Jezusem, translated by Joanna Filipek. (SOLARIS, 2004) ISBN 83-88431-98-6 <br />
Dutch: Het Messias Mysterie, translated by Peter de Rijk. (Karakter Uitgevers) ISBN 90-6112-043-8 <br />
Russian: Видео Иисус, translated by T. Nabatnikow. (Zakharov Publishers, 2005) ISBN 5-8159-0433-3 <br />
Spanich: El vídeo jesús, translated by Henrike Fesefeldt und José María Faraldo. (Bibliópolis, 2007) ISBN 978-84-96173-56-9 <br />
Hungarian: A jézus-video (Aranyszarvas Kiado, 2007) ISBN 978-963868787-6 [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:19, 10 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I'll leave the nuts & bolts explanation to Ahasuerus, but here's my take. When the structure of the database was designed and built, there must have be a a decision, whether conscious or not, that it was to be an English-language database. The display of non-English language publications was not part of that design. (The I in ISFDB stands for Internet not International.) Now two decades on, there's is a conscious effort to include all spec-fic regardless of language and the pigeon-holing efforts are obviously not working very well. You and other non-English language readers, editors, collectors, etc. have discovered the database and wish to add records for books in other languages. Great. We want your contributions. Should you wait until full support for other languages has been added to the database? I don't know and can't advice you on that point. I doubt that any past contributions can be fixed with a global change, but I'm not a software person and don't know if such a fix is possible. I'd hate to have you add all of these records only to have to go back and fix them manually. As for your question concerning the many translations of the Eschbach novel, you can add them to the title record of the original language. If it's French, then all the pub records would be added to that title, without creating variant title records. That's how the database currently works, and there's not another way around it. Having all translated titles appear on an author's summary page would just be too unwieldy, and not very user friendly. The goal (and Ahasuerus can say more about this) is to let the user have a language preference (or none), so that in any case, he would decide how the records are displayed. How far away that feature will be implemented, I can't say. Until then, it's up to you to decide how much you want to contribute to the database. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::OK, I can live with that, and will continue my work. Eschbach and anthologies by Alpers are at the time my first interest but English language authors are a future issue, f.e. Aldiss. And while I am at it: there seems to be no entry for Aldiss' Science Fiction Blues, a book I have a question for: It consists mainly of adaptations of stories into short plays. Shall I give the hint (play) in the title of each piece or better file it under the original story without the hint? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::If they are adaptations of his stories, you can add "(play)" to the title. If they are original, just give the title. Leave the story type as SHORTFICTION without a length and record that they are plays in the note fields of the pub and in each story's title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:27, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ernst Vlcek ==<br />
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Christian, I decided to cancel the author update you submitted for Ernst Vlcek.<br />
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You wanted to change the canonical name from "Ernest Vleck" to "Ernst Vleck." The canonical name is used in ISFDB to display author credits. I see that the author name {{a|Ernest Vleck}} is credited for two short stories and both of them appear in a verifie publication. If we changed the author name in this case then the name shown in the publication would also change. If you think the name was credited as Ernst Vleck, or even Ernst Vlcek, in those publications a better path is to have the verifier(s) re-check the publication(s) and to change them.<br />
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I saw that we already had a record for {{a|Ernst Vlcek}} and so went ahead with making Ernest Vleck a pseudonym. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 18:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Author legal name ==<br />
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A small "gotcha" in ISFDB is that the "Legal Name" field in ISFDB is "Lastname, Firstname Middlenames" which is different than the "Firstname Lastname" format we use everywhere else. I went ahead with correcting the entries you submitted for {{a|Thomas Thiemeyer}}, <br />
{{a|Michael K. Iwoleit}}, and {{a|Michael Iwoleit}}. With the latter two I cleaned it up so that Michael Iwoleit is a pseudonym of Michael K. Iwoleit. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 19:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Heyne SF Magazin 5 ==<br />
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I've had to make adjustments to the update that you made for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?103531 this magazine]. You should always use the original title of the work, even if translated. All pieces originally written in German can retain the German title, but any that were originally written in English, even if translated into another language should use their English title. Also, any nonfiction work included in a larger work (book or magazine) should be entered using the ESSAY type. The NONFICTION type is used for book-length work. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Also when you get a chance, could you record the interior artwork individually giving each the name of the work it illustrates? Page numbers would help as well. This is not mandatory, but it's better to not record them as groups. If you'd rather not enter them as individual records, you can simply remove the group records from the pub entirely. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Der ewige Krieg by Haldeman ==<br />
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You will need to merge the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1193162 German language title record] with the English title record. What is the original English title? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Korpernikus 1 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334582 this pub], but you should change the title records of the translated titles into that of the original titles and merge them with those records already in the database. Or if you can give me the list of original titles here I can simply merge them, which will save some time and several submissions. I'm assuming the Clarke story is "The Lion of Comarre" but am not sure of the original titles by Vinge ("Fool's Gold" ?) or Martin ("The Way of Cross and Dragon" ?). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Rückkehr by Andreas Eschbach ==<br />
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I accepted the submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334626 this title] but you failed to add the fiction content. Unlike submissions for novels where a title record is automatically generated, when adding chapterbooks you must create records for each of the contents including, but not limited to, fiction, essays, and interior art. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Falle von Dhogar by Andreas Eschbach ==<br />
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Same as above for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334627 this chapterbook]. You'll need to add a content record for the fiction. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, I didn't know that I had to create content for chapterbooks. I will fix it until the next day. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Interior Art ==<br />
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You've added several publications giving a question mark for the title of interiorart. These should be given titles, otherwise each of the artist's summary pages would be filled with ?s and add nothing to searches for his work. Unless the artwork is given individual titles (not very common), we give the records the title of the work which it illustrates. If there are more than one piece of artwork, the second record would be given the title with the additional of a bracketed number: "title [2]", the third record would be "title [3]", etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Traum des Astronauten ==<br />
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I'm holding a submission which wants to change [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?841104 this record] from SHORTFICTION type to COLLECTION type. This is the title record for the story which is included on page 113 of the collection of the same name whose title record already exists [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1193352 here]. (I had to re-create the collection's title record because you overwrote it when you updated the pub. That's not a good idea.) Please reject the submission if you feel it was submitted in error. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:The publication was falsely indexed as novel. But in fact, it is a collection with 'Der Traum des Astronauten' being also the title of one story. Sorry if I mixed up two things in my submission. I tend to spend more attention into editing. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your submission corrected the pub's type and I added a new title record. It's in good shape now. I'll reject the submission making the short story's title record into a collection. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:57, 12 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to Wikipedia's images ==<br />
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Unfortunately, I had to remove your link to de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Joerg_von_Liebenfelss.jpg&filetimestamp=20091127081428 . Wikipedia doesn't allow direct links to its images since they consider it "bandwidth theft". If they find that a site does that, they can block the offending site and we wouldn't want to violate their policies anyway. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, thanks for correcting the fauxpas. I would have thought that there is a working relationship with wikipedia. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:38, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Engineman ==<br />
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The "new" pub you have submitted already exists [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NGNMNRKRCS2010 here]], with a couple of minor differences. Most of the new publication records are generated by a data-mining robot called Fixer. Since the majority of these come from Amazon, and not just the US site, but the UK one, that fact is left in the notes until someone can correct it from a book in hand. Nearly always the page count is wrong. Even if the date in the book contains only the year, Amazon will fill out the rest, whether correct or not [the month usually is] but that's because their software will not enter a date with zeroes for either the month or day. Since the existing record noted above has not been verified, you could just correct it and submit [change the page count and add the artist and page numbers to the contents]. I wouldn't change the binding to a PB however, as the UK edition is 19.6 cm, making it a trade paperback or 'tp'. Usually we drop the day from the date unless there is some secondary source [a reviewer's slip for example] other than Amazon. As for the note you added, while the UK book is not on the US site, it is on the [[http://www.amazon.co.uk/Engineman-Eric-Brown/dp/1907519424/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291052283&sr=1-1 UK]] site. Thanks for editing! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 18:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it is a tp (not a pb), but what is different is the ISBN and that puzzles me, because I can find the book with the given ISBN at amazon, but not the one I purchased. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A is for Brian ==<br />
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I've accepted the submissions updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288003 this pub], but I'm a little concerned about the INTERIORART entries. Most appear to be photographs, and I'm not sure if it's ever been decided about how or even if photos should be entered into the database. I'm going to start a conversation on the Rules and Standards page, so please use it to voice your opinion on the matter. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:09, 3 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:The discussion has begun [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Entries_for_photographs_in_the_database here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Nova 3 submission ==<br />
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Hello Christian. After some research I approved the addition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?336558 Nova 3], but I have a few questions. First, the publisher "Books on Demand". The first two editions of Nova were published by "Verlag Nummer Eins", and I can't find any reference to "Books on Demand" on the internet. Is it really published thus? Second, you have entered the first three editions as anthologies, but according to the publication's [http://nova-sf.de/wp/ website], "NOVA ist ein deutsches Science Fiction-Magazin und erscheint seit Dezember 2002 dreimal jährlich (Frühjahr, Herbst und Winter)". I think Nova should have been entered as a magazine. See this[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Information help text] under pub type. What do you think? If you need help, don't hesitate to ask. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 4 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Wilhelm. "Verlag Nummer Eins" was an attempt to establish an own publishing house by Ronald M. Hahn, but production and handling was at this point already done by Books On Demand, located in Norderstedt in Germany. With issue 3 of Nova BoD became the official publisher: note the different ISBN (3-8334 instead of 3-8311) for the publisher. Your second question: Yes, Nova calls itself a magazine but lacks some features of it, e.g. a letter column or some regular contributions. Also, it appears quite infrequently, now only about once a year. There is the Heyne Science Fiction Magazin, edited by Wolfgang Jeschke which faces a similar characterization. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:59, 4 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for explaining. I was just wondering about this. We have another wonderful option to show the publications are connected, the publication series. Want to try that? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 16:35, 4 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good suggestion, but in this case there already is an anthology series named Nova, edited by Harry Harrison in the seventies. As I see it, this would lead to a mix-up. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:13, 5 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Harrison's Nova is a Title Series, Willem is suggesting a Publication Series. When there is only one publication of a title, then a publication series can be used instead of, or as well as, a Title Series. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the good idea, you two. I have done it. So this anthology series will not be mixed up with other anthologies. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Sorry, I didn't see this discussion, before creating a title series named [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28388 Nova (German)]. I'm inclined to believe this is very similar to other anthology series and should be handled like New Dimensions, Universe, Orbit, etc. Publication series, for me, implies that the content is unrelated and is basically a marketing tool. If you disagree, please consider that Publication series are not grouped on an author's summary page and that Title series are. See how this series is displayed on the summary page for {{A|Ronald M. Hahn}}. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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OK, that's even better. Thank you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: OK, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28388 Title Series it is]. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unknown or uncredited cover art ==<br />
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According to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub Help page]: <br />
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:Cover artist. Enter the artist for the cover art if known. If not known, leave blank. If the artist is not credited, but a signature is visible on the artwork, this can be used; if you do this, clarify in the Notes where you found the information. If there is both a signature and a printed credit, follow the printed credit. If you believe you recognize the artist's style but can see no actual attribution, make a note in the Notes field but don't enter the artist's name. If you know from a secondary bibliographic source who the artist is, but there is no attribution, enter the artist's name and also add a comment to the Notes field explaining the source of the attribution. Note that entering this information will actually create a "COVERART" content record, behind the scenes, with a title of "Cover: " followed by the title of the publication.<br />
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Don't enter "uncredited" as this creates a record for an artist named "uncredited". You can record that the cover is uncredited in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:15, 8 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you for this information, didn't know that. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Designating multiple pieces of interiorart ==<br />
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The help page gives [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ANLGJAN65 this magazine] as an example of entering interiorart. Notice that the first piece that illustrates the story simply has the story's title. The subsequent pieces are given a bracketed number in the order in which they appear in the magazine. I accepted the submission adding interiorart to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58993 this issue] of ''Interzone'', but the records will have to be amended to conform to the standard. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Consider it done. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Guardians of the Phoenix ==<br />
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Replaced the amazon scan (it wasn't the correct one) and added notes to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331031 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone, February 1998 ==<br />
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The update for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58979 this pub] was accepted, but there are a couple of areas of concern. You note that there was a review of a recording. This can be entered as a content record under the ESSAY type: 61 - Review of "Talking in the Dark: An Evening of Horror Stories", a recording by Ramsey Campbell and Dennis Etchison - ESSAY - David Mathew. It's not necessary to note the type of recording. Also the standard for entering letters to an editor are such: Letter (<Magazine Title>). So the letters for this issue would be titled "Letter (Interzone, February 1998)". See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Letters_to_the_Editor this section] of the Help page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:12, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone, May 1998 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59045 this issue] but have a question about the change of page count from 68 to 66. Ordinarily a magazine's page count would be a multiple of 4 (based on the way most magazines are bound). It is also ISFDB policy to count the covers of a magazine as part of the page count (see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub here] under '''Pages'''.) Also, the review of "Albedo One, #15, 1997" a magazine issue, should be made into an essay. If a review is for a series of issues all within a the same year, you could link the review to the magazine's editor record for the year. It can't be linked to a magazine's title record because...well...magazines don't have title records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:31, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
: The change to an essay is underway. I modeled the page count after your verification of the Interzone, August 1998, issue. But if it's correct to count those ad pages, I can change that as well. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The page count on Issue 134 was an error which I'll correct (not sure if at the time the policy about counting covers was in place). The fact that they're ad pages would not have excluded them. There are ad pages throughout which we include in the page count. I just pulled out my copy of the issue and I see that the front cover is the first page in the count. The last numbered page is 66, and then the back cover adds an additional two pages to the total count. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Uploaded cover images ==<br />
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Hi. I approved a couple of your cover image additions, but they had the wrong page linked. Instead of using the main wiki page (e.g., <nowiki>'''http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:DVRMSSNGDR2005.jpg'''</nowiki>), you need to use the link to the image file itself (e.g., <nowiki>'''http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/4b/DVRMSSNGDR2005.jpg'''</nowiki>). This like appears immediately below the display of the image on the image's main page. I did fix the ones you submitted, so just please keep that in mind for future uploads. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 16:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I approved your edit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334627 PR#2503] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334626 PR#2295] to show the effect of adding the wrong link. You should use the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/fc/DFLLVNDHGR2009.jpg image link] instead of the image's [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:DFLLVNDHGR2009.jpg wiki page]. Try again? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:57, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Fixed the links before I read this.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 01:07, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Image linking to Wikipedia not allowed ==<br />
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Hi. I approved your edits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?145692 von Humboldt], but I removed the proposed image link to Wikipedia (<nowiki>'''http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:AvHumboldt.jpg&filetimestamp=20060705112224'''</nowiki>). We are not allowed to make deep links to Wikipedia, as they deem that bandwidth theft. See the "Author Image" section of [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] and also [[ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions]]. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 16:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone, July 1998 ==<br />
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Sorry, I placed the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59007 this] earlier today, without letting you know why...and promptly forgot all about it. My question concerned the overwriting of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?111519 the record] for Dominic Harman's interiorart for "The Barrier". I don't think you meant to do that. You changed its title to the url "http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/iplus" and into an essay by Keith Brooke. I'm not sure what you were attempting here. I did see that you've created three new records for Harman's interiorart, though. There's a lot of new data in the submission that would be lost if I rejected it, so I'm tempted to accept it and then let you straighten it out. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:16, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I went ahead and accepted the submission. Look at the entry on page 44. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::What happened is that I entered three new titles for the interior art by D.Harman, not aware that there already was an entry for one of them. As I realized the fact, I decided to overwrite the original with the entry for the essay by Keith Brooke, which wasn't in the contents before. Sorry to have caused some irritation, and: seasonal best wishes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Publication series "Rowohlt Paperback" ==<br />
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Hi Christian, with your latest addition (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?339033 this pub]) we now have two books by the publisher "Rowohlt Taschenbuch", under two publication series ("rororo sachbuch" and "Rowohlt Paperback"). I'm wondering if these are true publication series, or just imprints of the publisher (Rowohlt). I can imagine a publication series called "rororo" (without the "sachbuch", since these seem to share the "rororo" logo on the left side of the front cover, but I can't even find "Rowohlt Paperback" on the publisher's [http://www.rowohlt.de/verlag website]. Another thing is, we should keep the publisher as simple as possible. The database now has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4567 Rowohlt], the imprint [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?5887 Wunderlich/Rowohlt], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34594 Rowohlt Berlin] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34897 Rowohlt Taschenbuch] with the two publication series. Too much i.m.o. What do you think? Please read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_work_with_series#Publication_Series this] before responding. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:38, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Hi Willem, I still think that at least Rowohlt, Rowohlt Berlin and Rowohlt Taschenbuch are separate publishers, although presumably owned by the same holding company, because of the different ISBNs. Wunderlich/Rowohlt may be regarded as just an imprint. Wunderlich was a publishing house of its own before being bought by Rowohlt. If "Rowohlt Paperback" is a publishing series: I will check if those paperbacks have their own numbering. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Just looking at the book shows that there is no numbering at all (apart from ISBN), as opposed to the normal paperbacks, i.e. pocket books (E.g. "rororo sachbuch" (= rororo non-fiction) has its own numbering). I'd still say that it is a publishing series, alas not devoted to sf, because of the unusual format and the printing of PAPERBACK near the spine. Though, there will only be sporadic books of interest for us. What do you (or anybody) suggest? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:06, 29 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::: If you think it's a publication series, it should be entered thus. I was just wondering about this, and searched the Rowohlt website. Looked like one publisher to me, with a number of imprints. It's your call. Thanks for explaining. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 22:03, 29 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Title in Vonnegut collection ==<br />
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Your update of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338536 this pub] changed the story ''The Cruise of "The Jolly Roger"'' to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?99309 The Cruise of]. This may be an old bug that keeps popping up in the system. Were you trying to change the quotation marks from double ones to single ones? If so, that's unnecessary. It's considered a printer's choice, not an author's or editor's choice, and should not be used as a basis to change a record or to create a variant. The biggest question is how were you able to change a title record that belongs to several different pubs all from a change in one pub. Ordinarily the content title record would be grayed out and could not be edited from a pub record. Do you recall the circumstances around changing the title record for this story? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:51, 29 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I think we may have solved the mystery, but not yet fixed the bug. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#How_is_this_possible.3F here.] Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:10, 29 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you for this insight into complicateness - this time I was completely innocent ;-) . [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:48, 30 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Staubplanet ==<br />
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I approved your edit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9909 this pub]. The submission page showed that you wanted to change the ISBN (probably because the checksum was wrong), but the new number was the same as the old one, so the checksum is still wrong. Can you check the number again? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 21:36, 30 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I already thought that this is not the right ISBN, but that's what the copyright page says. I think that it has to be 3-426-05727-1 (in accordance with the publication series no. 5727). Would it be right to change this presumably false ISBN? Anyway, read you in 2011! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::This is one of those things the help pages have no solution for. In general, if you enter another ISBN than stated in the pub, this should be explained in the notes, but we only do this when a Google search for the right ISBN results in a lot of hits. In this case, Google has only 9 hits for both the right ISBN and the one stated in the pub, so we should keep what's in the database now. To get rid of the ugly red warning, it's best to add the prefix (#), and add a note about the ISBN having a bad checksum. Anyway, thanks for checking and have a good New Year's Eve! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 12:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== "Vorwort" ==<br />
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Ganz schlecht mein Deutsch ist, aber "Vorwort" bedeutet "Foreword", nicht? In {{P|339251|Bruderschaft der Unsterblichen}}, you did "Nachwort (Bruderschaft der Unsterblichen)" for the afterword, but just "Vorwort" for the foreword. It is up to you, but I would be inclined to include the same parenthetical title on it, too. I like consistency. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 1<br />
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:Welcome in 2011! You are absolutely right, I should have thought about that myself. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:51, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Heyne Science Fiction Magazin 5 ==<br />
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I have placed your submission to change [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?103531 this pub] from anthology to magazine on hold for now. It is probably a valid submission, but the pub is also part of a publication series (Heyne Science Fiction), and I don't know if that wil cause problems to the database. I will ask the other moderators what to do next, and will let you know. By the way, best wishes for 2011! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, it looks like there's no problem with having a magazine as part of a publication series. I did experiment a bit too much however, and had to create a new record for the publication and delete the old one. See the result [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HNSCNCFCTB1982 here]. I'm afraid you'll have to redo your primary verification, and please check the pub for missing items (there shouldn't be any). Thanks for the patience. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:02, 3 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for your efforts, I haven't been online ever since. I just decided that this is a magazine after all. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Guardians of the Phoenix ==<br />
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Expanded the notes somewhat for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GRDNSFTHPH2010 this]] --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 16:55, 8 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Wrong URL ==<br />
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You gave the URL of the image's wiki page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340017 Die Feuerschneise]. Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0c/DFRSCHNSNX1980.jpg the correct image URL]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, I just tend to get unconcentrated after some time of work, but I have corredted this fault. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Das Jesus Video ==<br />
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I want to change in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334514 pub] the publisher from "Knaur" to "Droemer Knaur" because it is used from the publisher [http://www.droemer-knaur.de/home Droemer Knaur] himself. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 23:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi, I have checked my copy and found that it bears only "Knaur" as publisher. Are you sure that this is the same pub? (Because the pub i verified was only distributed via a warehouse - see notes.) I will put an image upload later this day as verification help. "Jesus-Video" was in fact published also by "Droemer Knaur", but this would be a different publication. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: I don't have your specific pub of "Das Jesusvideo". But there are a lot of books from the publisher "Droemer Knaur ", who are only labeld with Knaur or with Droemer. You verified this book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DSCSNSSPLK2005 Das Cusanus Spiel]. I also own this book and my copy stated only Droemer. I found no Knaur inside. You labeled it with Droemer Knaur. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 21:15, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I see from the cover you added to the record that it gives the title as ''Das Jesusvideo''. Does the interior title page give the novel a different title? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: Adressing Rudam: OK, since "Knaur", "Droemer" and "Droemer Knaur" share the same ISBN it's better to mark them as the same publisher. I'll change the Eschbach book. And the dustjacket states "Das Jesusvideo" but the title page gives "Das Jesus Video", which is what I used. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::So the record's title remains the same. But...the sharing of ISBNs should not be the rationale behind merging of publisher records. A publisher may have several distinct imprints which should be preserved (Baen, Pocket, Archway, Washingto Square, Timescape, Summit, Poseidon, Fireside and Simon & Schuster all had ISBN 0-671- at one time). If it can be shown that the publisher credit is arbitrary (e.g. Pocket vs. Pocket Books) then a name should be arrived at by consensus. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:48, 11 January 2011 <br />
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You're right, but in this case "Knaur" and "Droemer" really can be regarded as imprints of the greater publisher. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NVLTNCN1980 this pub] as example, where "Droemer Knaur" is given as publisher on the title page. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:37, 11 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:If they're truly ''imprints'' (and not publication series, which is handled in another field), then they should be kept separate, e.g. "Knaur / Droemer Knaur" and "Droemer / Droemer Knaur" in the publication field. I'm beginning to think the Continental and American definitions for "publication series" might not be EXACTLY the same. If not, this discussion should be moved to the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:48, 11 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::In my understanding, for example "DAW sf" would be a publication series, as "Knaur Science Fiction". I have the impression that it's unusual for American publishers to give an ongoing numbering to such a pub. series (which would make it quite easy to distinguish), whereas over here it's the common usus. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:03, 11 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Except that "DAW SF" and "DAW Fantasy" share the same series numbering. I would not consider either to be a publication series, but closer to an imprint (but not exactly). Actually many American publication series give numbering: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?4 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?16 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?15 here]. I have a feeling there's going to be even more debate when/if we ever implement a separate imprint field. I'll accept the submission since you've got the actual book, have verified it, and am willing to place a publisher's name into the field that's not printed in the book itself. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:21, 11 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Rolle des Religiösen in den Romanen von Kurt Vonnegut ==<br />
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I have a submission that wants to change the title record of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340312 this pub] from NONFICTION to ESSAY. That's not a good idea. Because the pub is typed as NONFICTION, doing this would leave the pub without a matching title record, creating a stray publication. Now you can add a content record that is an ESSAY with the same name, which is what I think was your intention. If this was what you wanted to do, cancel the submission, then resubmit an update which adds a new content record, leaving the title record intact. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, I see now what you were attempting to do. There were TWO records with a NONFICTION type and you're changing one of them to an ESSAY. The moderator's page only shows the one record, and there was no way to tell if it were the content record or the title record. I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Interzone'' features as series ==<br />
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Hi. I noticed you have been adding content for what looks like some recurring features to various ''Interzone'' editions. A technique that has been used for such features with some other magazines is to place them into series representing the feature. See, for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26421 Mathoms] for ''Tales of the Unexpected'' or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27446 Editorial (Theaker's Quarterly Fiction)]. As with titles, the practice is to include the magazine's name if the series name would be generic (e.g., "Editorial" or "Letters to the Editor"). Seeing "Spinoffery" several times made me think of it. Doing this is completely optional; I only mention it so that you are aware of the possibility. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Thank you for mentioning this possibility. It will sure look more nicely. I'm in this with Hauck, so I will propose your idea, which looks very good to me, to him. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:12, 17 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Pagination / Page Count ==<br />
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I'm confused about the pagination and page count for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340976 this issue of PR] and am holding a submission that changes the pagination for the stories to "36+1", "36+2", "36+10". What do these numbers represent? The field is for the page on which the piece begins. If it begins on an unnumbered page after the pagination ends, you can count forward and give the page number in brackets. For example if a story begins on the tenth page after the last numbered page 36, you should enter [46] in the field. The page count is also confusing. "36+12+36" indicates that the pub has 36 numbered pages, and the pagination goes back to 1 on the 37th page, then after twelve numbered pages (on the 49th page of the book), the pagination returns to 1. Is that the case in this book? If there are 72 numbered pages with a 12 page insert in the middle (between pages 36 and 37), the page count should be entered as "72+[12]" and the note should indicate where the pages are inserted. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks, but I referred to the description of how to enter unnumbered pages. Citation: "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. You may record this by entering the count in [brackets]." The 12 pages have their own numbering. But you're right that 36+12+36 myight be confusing, so I will change it to 72+12 and mention the exactbeginning in the notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:But thinking of the consequence this would lead to the 36+1 notation, because 1 wouldn't be significant. I will move this discussion to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Magazine_talk:Perry_Rhodan_DE Perry Rhodan talk page.] [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Because the 12-page section has separate pagination "72+12" would be correct, with a note about where the section is located. If you want to give the page numbers for pieces within that section it's going to be hard to get the system to place them in any kind of order. This is a software display issue and that's out of my league. Do you wish to cancel the submission, or would you like me to hold it? Even if the submission is accepted. the pagination you're giving is not going to display correctly. I could approve it and let you see what it looks like. Heck, I'd like to see what it looks like! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Let's give it a try. If it works out, we could stick to it, else I will enter a new submission according to your and Willem's proposal (assigning the contents of the extra pages with i-xii). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I approved the submission and the record's a mess. Let's try the Roman-numeral method next, that can't be any worse. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:35, 19 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Record(s) changed (#2402 had the same problem). Thanks for the try. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #2400 ==<br />
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I approved the addition of #2400. The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?341815 here]. Also added the novel to the series "PR Zyklus 35: Negasphäre". You can now see the difference when a novel is entered in the series (compare [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?148282 Robert Feldhoff] with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120109 Ernst Vlcek]. Feldhoff now has two entries for the series, one for the novel, and one for the short fiction. This is new for me too, but it looks allright. Aside from this, I have now entered at least one title for each cycle (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27232 here]. It looks awful, but there is a feature request to be able to manually sort sub-series. When that possibility is open, we can put them in the right order. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 17:56, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Yes, I'd noted that you put some research into the Zyklen. You think it's looking awful? I think, it begins to look great! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: It's a while since I looked at the sort-ordering in displays, but even if we just made it alphabetical, then adding leading zeroes might be a quick fix? Date is another option of course - but the ideal of being able to order sub-series, and sub-sub-series, and place titles in multiple series, is probably a long way off still. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Would this be a possibility? I can't say, because I don't know the programming background. But thanks for the idea, maybe Willem can make something out of it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I believe both of those are quite possible but would require significant work (especially titles in multiple series as some data would have to be removed from one table and stuffed into another and all the scripts updated to understand the new linkage). [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 19:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::The feature request is [https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2800713&group_id=199503&atid=969757 here]. It has no high priority, but eventually .... --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== German Currency ==<br />
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I've seen quite a few variations in how Deutsche Marks are entered into the database. Examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SRSLNDBKHZ1997 DMX.XX], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MMNSGPDHWV1997 DM X.XX], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DSBNLTRVND1987 DM X,XX]. Is (or was) there a standard way to present the figure? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Yes, there is a difference. Although DM X,XX should be out of the league, if there ever will be a statistic (is it possible to determine who entered this pub to inform him or her?). I tend to use DMX.XX (according to the general standard?!), but not in the case of the Perry Rhodan magazine, where the established standard was DM X.XX. From my humble beginnings, there will still be some diversions from that rule. Thank you for your open eyes. (I changed the two pubs with a deviation from the standard.) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: If DMX.XX is preferred, I can change the Perry Rhodans of course. When I started with them, there was no German editor active, so I took the way they are presented on the magazines (DM X.XX). I have no problem one way or the other. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:56, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: I think it matters only if there are any statistics planned (and if it is a problem to run those with one or the other format). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:01, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I wouldn't think that a publication or series should have its own standard, but it should be determined by whatever the general consensus was during the years when the Deutsche Mark was used. The price of many US pubs were given in cents but we've determined for the database to convert everything to dollars. Some pubs may have even given a space between the dollar sign and the amount, but that's not the US standard of no spacing after the dollar sign. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Checking several German websites, I see many uses of the comma instead of a period. (See [http://www.chpr.at/sfstory.html Bibliographie deutschsprachiger Science Fiction-Stories und Bücher] which uses the comma throughout, and was the source of several of my own entries.) Is this ever an acceptable alternative? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::: I will always prefer this version (DM X,XX or € X,XX) because it is the common standard für german publications. The price is always written on a german book cover with a comma. Which "general standard" states that you have to use a period? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 22:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Since one goal of entering the price is to run statistics on it, I'd think it is more comfortable or even only possible if there is one standard. I am not sure if there is any actual problem with commas but would say it's at least easier if all prices are entered with one of (comma,point). If it is a problem to have a blank inside: I don't know. Who does? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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(unindent) I think this calls for a general discussion on how to deal with non-English currency. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Information help text] (under '''Price''') sais only ''For books priced in other currencies, use an appropriate symbol'', and to put the symbol before the price. Nothing about periods, commas or spaces. Shall I move this discussion to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions Rules and standards discussions]? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, I think this would be appropriate. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:19, 29 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::The discussion is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Foreign_currency_and_punctuation here]. You are invited to participate. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== incomplete note in Das Science Fiction Jahr 2001? ==<br />
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Hi. I approved your latest additions to {{P|342033|Das Science Fiction Jahr 2001}}, and I noticed an item in the section list in the notes: "◦ Bücher (reviews) pp." seems incomplete. I thought I'd mention it while noticing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll correct it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:02, 2 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #127, #128, #143 interiorart ==<br />
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Hi. Do you have {{P|318460|PR #127}}? I have your interiorart credit change on hold. [http://www.perrypedia.proc.org/wiki/Quelle:PR127 Perrypedia] claims "Themistokles Kanellakis" (the credit you propose changing). I am no Perry Rhodan expert; I just wanted to make sure this isn't a mistaken edit. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Marty. I have none of these issues but Willem and I agreed that Kanellakis has to be false. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Magazine_talk:Perry_Rhodan_DE#Early_Themistokles here]. If Johnny Bruck is actual the interior artist remains to be verified, but it is very, very likely, since he draw all interior art at that time (1964), if there was any (and I came across none early issue so far without one). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 3 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, I accepted them. Since this is an assumption and does not match what the only cited source says, I think you should add a note to each about that credit. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Sceptre du hasard ==<br />
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Hello, I approved your sub of this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DHRRSCHFTD1978 here] (then I corrected the french title with hasard not hazard) but IMHO It's not satisfying as it looks like that there are two novels in this book. I think that the german title should simply be made a vt of the french one. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for approving. It was my intention to enter the German title as vt of the French, didn't quite work out. But I'll fix it. For the original french title: the German edition said 'hazard' while Clute's 'Illustrated Encyclopedia of SF' said 'hasard'. Not able to decide the matter, I stuck to the title found in the book. Thank you for correcting it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gérard Klein ==<br />
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I have your proposed pseudonym on hold. I think those two author records should be merged (which I will do, if you agree with me). Do you see a difference between the two names? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
: No, there seems to be no difference. A merge would be perfect, thank you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I found it. The one-work entry is (was) in there as '''Ge&amp;#769;rard Klein''', the other '''Gérard Klein'''. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. Maybe the cryptic Gérard Klein is from an earlier time, when special letters weren't supported as thy are today? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, or perhaps one of the crawling 'bots captured it that way and failed to decode it. I am happy it was easy to figure out, and I expect we will find another instance like it someday and can put the knowledge to good use. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Schwarm ==<br />
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Did the price really not increase between 2004 and 2009? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:You're right, it did. Thank you for your open eye. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks for checking. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone 144 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59019 this issue] but have questions about a couple of changes. You changed the page count from 66 to 68. Most saddle-stapled magazines (like Interzone) should have page counts in multiples of 4. Remember that you should count the covers. Another thing, your entry into the pub format field is not one of the seven choices currently accepted for magazines (see [[Template:PublicationFields:PubFormat|here]]). I admit that this list is not exhaustive, it doesn't include "quarto", Locus's designation for 8 1/2 x 11 saddle-stapled magazines, but I don't believe the field should be used to record dimensions only. Feel free to bring this up for discussion on the Rules and Standards page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi, Michael. In my humble opinion, 68 pages are a bit closer to a multiple of 4 than 66, ;-). The chosen format stems from a verified pub, verified by one person quite close to you (again ;-) ). See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INTZJAN03 INTZJAN03]. But I can change that format: would you say that "quarto" is the format nearest to the dimensions of IZ? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry about the bad math regarding the page count. But I ''know'' I didn't put those dimensions in the record that bears my verification. I can't say how that happened unless another moderator accepted a later submission updating the pub. About "quarto", it appears that most of those who were working on Interzone chose to use the British designation "A4". Even those issues that you verified up through December 1998 (#138). Did the size change in January 1999? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
Yes, with the January, 1999, issue the dimension grew a bit smaller. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:31, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Ask [[User:BLongley]] about the dimension thing. It looks like most of those issues for which he did a secondary verification during those years have the dimensions. I'm going to let the rest of you figure out what the "pub format" field should be (one thing I do know is that it shouldn't be the dimensions). It's ISFDB policy that the fields of verified pub should not be changed without notifying the verifier, so I'm going to remove my verification of Issue #185. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have put the proposed edits to #148 on hold, specifically because the binding/format is supplied as dimensions, which is contrary to current ISFDB standards. I can see that other edits have been accepted with that, but since it didn't get discussed and agreed to, I'm going to hold this one until it's resolved. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:37, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Not only have other edits been accepted with this dimension, but also verified (and I don't mean the one verified by me). For magazines it seems to be fitting in a way to use dimensions, because it gives you a tight description, doesn't it? Anyway, I will ask Hauck about his opinion, too.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, as far as I'm concerned, the only way to be completely precise about the dimensions (which, according to the help seems to be the main caracteristic of the "Pub Format" field for magazines) is to give the precise measures of the copy. For exemple, IZ#100 (I have it just here) is not exactly an A4 format (height is about 1 cm shorter). Add to this the fact that there are some slight variations (it's, as you stated, the case for IZ), so the correct filling of the data field is going to be a chore. (And I won't go into the fact that there is only one official unit of length which is not the inch and on the difficulty of finding an inch-graduated rule in continetal Europe). So personaly I tend to leave this field blank when entering data as there seems to be no real consensus. That is also perhaps why I probably approved some exotic values. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: We're really bad at updating help. I think even "A4" and "A5" were comparatively recent additions, used mostly for British fanzines (which used to be excluded). One more format for magazines shouldn't be too awkward. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:39, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: IMHO there is perhaps already too much formats, for exemple the distinction between Bedsheet (8.5 x 11.25 only in the US) and A4 (8.3 x 11.7) is very slight and liable to cause some confusion for a 0.2 difference. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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The discussion seems to have moved to Rules and Standard Discussions. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I approved the submission as-is, while the discussion rages. Sorry about the delay. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:57, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Zeiter ==<br />
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Hi. I have your submission wanting to make {{T|1228196|this}} ''Der Zeiter'' a variant of {{T|1231221|this one}} on hold. I'm not sure what you intend. Variant relationships are for different attribution (either in title or author's name) of the same work, not for different contents. If the title does not differ and the author attribution does not differ, then making one a variant of the other is not appropriate. When the content differs, you are forced to judge whether the two published forms should be considered the same work or different works. If they are different works, then the author would have two identical titles in the bibliography, and you'd want to put notes in each title to prevent someone else's trying to merge them. Here, where two collections differ by one story included in one and not the other, I would consider them the same work and simply merge the titles. You have covered the small deviation in the note in the publication that's missing the story. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Hello, Marty. If you can merge the two to one, this would be most appreciated. I have put some crap before into the two, marking them as 2 different titles (aka Der Zeiter, 1970, and Der Zeiter, 1973) and tried to undo that. Guess what, it didn't work out. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:20, 19 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I rejected the variant submission and merged them instead. I think what you have there is fine. If you really want to, you could add a note to {{T|1228196}} stating that the collection was re-published in 1973 without "Der Riß im Berg". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:08, 19 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Thank you for merging the unmergeable (at least for me). I will add that note, thanks for suggesting it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Entropische Zyklon ==<br />
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I'm holding a submission from another editor who wants to change the series of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1226193 this title] from 35: Negashpare to #36: Stardust. Is the record correct as entered? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:No. I am afraid that the Zyklus #36 begins only with #2500 of the series. The editor may look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Magazine:Perry_Rhodan_DE the overview page] for further guidance or ask either WillemH or me. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:34, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::The title had #2518. I corrected this to #2418. The submission should be rejected. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:15, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== New Perry Rhodan editor ==<br />
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I accepted submissions adding three new PR titles: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HDNDSMHNND2011 #2578], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?PRRRHDNDRS2011 #2579], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?PRRRHDNHND2011 #2580]. The first was entered as a novel, the other two as magazines. The author of the novel was entered as the editor of the magazines. This contradicts earlier issues. Can you look them over, see if they conform with the other PR issues, and fix them if not? And then talk with the editor [[User Talk:WeAreGray|WeAreGray]] about PR standards? I know absolutely zero about PR and will leave entry concerns to those who do. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the information. We will take over. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Good job. I added one more message to WeAreGray's talkpage, and corrected the new pubs (I can't expect this from you ... yet :-). --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking reviews ==<br />
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I see you're updating the titles under review in Interzone that are not linked. This won't automatically link the reviews to the title records. That only occurs when a review record is created. Once it exists, you have to manually link them to the title record. Click on "Review" which brings up the review record, choose "Link Review to Title" in the editing tools menu, enter the number of the title record in the "Parent #" field and enter. You can get the parent number by going to the book's title record and recording the number after "...cgi-bin/title.cgi?" Let me know if you need assistance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:52, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I think it worked. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Do the titles of the review and the original title of the book have to be identical, or is a part sufficient? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:26, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::They don't have to be identical to link manually, in fact they don't have to match at all. If you want the system to link them at the time the review record is created they have to be identical, every character and space. But as I said above, once the review record is created it's all manual. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== New titles and sourcing data ==<br />
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Can I assume that you will be doing physical verifications of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ZNTRMDRMLC1990 this pub record] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HBSSTRNDMB1988 this one]? Neither submission gave a source for the data, so you must have a copy. Right? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:33, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right, I have copies of the pubs. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:44, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Merging editor records ==<br />
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I approved your submissions. It's not necessary to merge them one at a time, you can do them all in one edit, just select more checkboxes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you, I still keep learning. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:21, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Life gets easier once you achieve moderator status. You can then spot (and correct) your own mistakes. The catch of course is, that you first have to learn most of the tricks (took me a year and a half). --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:56, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone ==<br />
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Hello, I'm in the process of veryfing in second the batch of IZ you've already verified. I'm going to replace the external scans by internal ones and doing some cosmetic changes that I'll try to list here : adding Interaction for #116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 128; replacing _The Mind-Splice_ by _The Mind Splice_ in #117 (per title page); changing a [3] by [2] in the illustrations for _The Rust island_; adding the essay _Party Time_ in #118; replacing Pete Crowther by Peter Crowther (#118); replacing Holly by Molly in Amery's Title in #118; replacing _Thigmoo_ by _ThiGMOO_ as per title page and logic of the story; changing title of Merril's interview in #126; adding article and dropping comma in Langford's story in #126; modifying title of Knight's essay in #127. As I don't know if you're a "touchy" kind of contributor (some like to be informed of every comma displaced in the data they entered), just tell me if you really want to be notified of such small changes. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks for your information. In general, you don't have to inform me about additions I failed to include or mistakes I made. Only if there's something major going on, please ask. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: OK, let's do it that way (I confess it gives me less work as the notification phase is sometimes longer than the correction phase). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone 160-162 ==<br />
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I see you've skipped these issues. Would you like me to update and verify the current records using my copies? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:29, 7 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:You're welcome in this regard by me. But I think that Hauck is currently at work in the year 2000, I have only verified #157 so far. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:51, 7 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd thought both of you had skipped these, but Hauck tells me he'd only got up to #159 so far. I'll hold off entering anything and do another primary verification when you guys have finished. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:07, 7 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Pandemonium ==<br />
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The date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346059 this record] should be zeroed out unless you have more concrete evidence of the publication date. We try to record what's stated in the book, and then fall back on secondary sources for any missing information. Purchase date isn't a good indicator of publication date. You can give your estimated date within the pub notes until something more concrete comes along. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:47, 8 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, that sounds reasonable. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:56, 9 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Notes" by PKD ==<br />
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Concerning your submission crediting two additional authors for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?118797 this work]: It seems strange to me that this ambiguous title appears in 21 (!) different pubs, 8 of them verified. I can't see any circumstance in which all of the books contains the same set of "notes". It appears that someone merged all of them into this one record, probably because those who initially entered them into each of the pub records failed to disambiguate the title. I think we should hold off updating this title record until we've determined the extent to which the "notes" are the same. That's going to involve cooperation between you, the verifier of the Gollancz editions, and Bill Longley, who verified the Millennium editions. I can see no clearer way to do this than to delete this record from all 21 pubs and start from scratch. What do you think? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:30, 16 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:According to Locus1, none of the notes that originally appeared in the source publications (the Underwood-Miller editions) were credited. Even [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1257285 this one] which is credited to Dick, Rickman and Williams in your verified record but doesn't appear in Bill Longley's record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228545 the paperback reprint]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:38, 16 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I will reject the submission because the changes may not apply to every publication of the title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:28, 16 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Ahasuerus is currently testing a fix I proposed that means unmerging content titles should no longer lose length or page numbers. If it works, then unmerging all 21 and retitlng and remerging as necessary should be OK. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:32, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Good. I didn't know such a fix was possible, but glad to hear that it's being worked on. It would save tons of work necessary to straighten out this situation (and many others that may occur down the road.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: Oh, and I'm happy to recheck the PKD books I verified in 2007. I think I even know which room and bookcase they can be found on now! :-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:36, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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What I'd done was this: I found the "Notes" in different pubs that all turned out to be part of Dick's Collected Stories, though the pubs beared different names/titles. Since Rickman and Williams are mentioned in every of the five introductions to the Notes in the Gollancz edition as responsible for the chronology, I decided for my edit. I would have found it nicer to mark them individually as in: Notes (The Father-Thing), but found that this wasn't possible, because all five of them were denoted as 'Notes' and verified/uneditable. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:The question is: are Rickman and Williams credited for the notes too or are the chronology and the notes the same work? In any case, all of them will have to be unmerged before we make any changes in any of them. Once that is done, they must be disambiguated parenthetically by adding the title of the collection. After that we can determine how they're credited. If the books don't actually credit them, they should we credited to "uncredited". I'll leave that up to those of you who have the actual books. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:13, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have removed all but the verified pubs that were linked to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?118797 this content record]. It's in your and Bill's hands to do the rest. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I see you've been able to remove all of the Notes from the Gollancz editions and that you've created new records for four of the five books giving Rickman and Williams co-credit (only ''Beyond Lies the Wub'' credits Dick). I did the same for the Underwood-Miller editions but credited the notes only to Dick, based on the Locus1 listing. Above you say Rickman and Williams are credited for the chronology in the Notes introductions. That doesn't seem to explicitly credit them with the writing of the notes, only the order in which they appear. Or have I mistaken your meaning here? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: My apologies, I missed the update here. I'll go have a look at my Verifications in a day or two. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Rickman and Williams did write the chronology of the stories: when and where they were published (that's not such a formidable task), but more importantly, when they probably were written and when they were received by Scott Meredith's agency. Thanks to them it's possible to put into context a story published in 1959 but already written in 1953. And no doubt they digged the so far unpublished stories (i.e. 'Stability') and dated them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I missed your response and only thought about checking back now. Despite your explanation, I must respectfully disagree that Rickman and Williams should be credited as co-authors of the notes. I'm not denying or denigrating the value of their work, but they did what thousands of uncredited editors do. I don't have the books, but on the first page of the notes (from a Google snippet) I see that the editors state that "All notes in italics are by Philip K. Dick" and "...research for this chronology was done by Gregg Rickman and Paul Williams". In other words, they didn't write the notes and credit themselves as the editors of the notes. The Google preview doesn't go into further pages of the notes, so I'm not sure if there are any ''unitalicized'' notes, meaning notes that were not written by Dick. Are there any? If so, I would drop any objection to the editors being credited.<br />
:I think our biggest disagreement here is how the role of editor should be credited. Unfortunately, there is no separate field for the editor role in the ISFDB software. If there were, we would not be having this discussion. My conclusion is to drop the matter and let you as the verifier of the pubs have the final say. I only ask that you not merge these title records with those of other publications of the same titles, whether they're verified or not. Perhaps you can continue the discussion with Bill Longley who has verified the Millennium reprints. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:29, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::The role of the editor is not the biggest disagreement. I'd say the disagreement is mainly in the definition of a note. As you cite correctly, "All notes in italics are by Philip K. Dick". But: About half of the text of every of the five volumes isn't in italics, and that is the part of the notes that was written by Rickman and Williams. In 'The Father-Thing', for example, a typical entry is: NULL-O ("Loony Lemuel") 8/31/53. If, Dec 1958. (No italics: no comment or note by Dick).<br />
::So you get the information of a) the title of the story, b) an alternative title, c) the date, when the manuscript was received by SMLA, and d) date and magazine of eventual first publication.<br />
::Of the 23 shortfictions in this particular volume, only five have notes by PKD (and even these have - naturally - additions in regular typing).<br />
::So, I would differentiate the Notes into comments by PKD (on one side) and information on publication on the other side. This view would lead automatically to the addition of Rickman and Williams as co-authors. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:46, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::So don't we basically agree that the Notes, as few as they were, were written by PKD? A chronological listing of titles that gives dates and sources of publication is very close to the acknowledgements page found in hundreds of publications. That's what an editor does. The typical entry that you've provided makes it even more clear (at least to me) that Rickman and Williams are not the co-authors of the notes. They created a list which acknowledges the original publication of the stories with occasional notes from previously published sources by PKD himself. If you want to see story notes written by an editor check out any of the volumes that Paul Williams edited of ''The Complete Stories of Theodore Sturgeon''. I'll leave it at that as it appears we're not going to come to any agreement. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:19, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:1) Again the question, what to make of the two kinds of notes, one being the comments by Dick, the other being the notes on publication. Why should only one be credited?<br />
:2) Yes, you are right: It is the job of the editor to supply information on publication of the texts, and normally this is given on the copyright page(s), and we don't take notification of it. But this is not the case with the Collected Stories of PKD. We have a considerable amount of text in the Notes (at least half of it) that was not written by Dick and that he can't be credited for. So the authors who are credited in the opening paragraph for this text should be held responsible for it, I think.<br />
:3) And as I check the book again: Dick is only credited for the notes as Rickman and Williams are - in the introductory note at the beginning of Notes. At least that's the case in the Gollancz edition, this may vary in other editions. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:42, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking reviews ==<br />
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Review records can only be linked to title records, not pub records. It appears you wanted to link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1258452 this review] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344291 this pub (#344291)]. Instead you linked it to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?344291 this title record (#344291)]. I've linked the review to the correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28349 title record], so you can reject the submission on your side. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:06, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, will do so. Thanks for the clearance, ever learning. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== price ==<br />
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Should the currency on the price in {{P|292311|Der letzte Tag der Schöpfung}} be "DM"? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:09, 19 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
: No, I am afraid not. That one is a pub from the last days of the GDR and as far as I know they called their currency only 'Mark', so M seems to be appropriate (as I haven't found any other pubs from that deceased country). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Sounds good to me. I was just making sure it wasn't a typo. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:33, 20 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Pages ==<br />
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In my copy of this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?292253 Das Cusanus-Spiel] there are only 703 pages. Typo or two different publications? 13:48, 20 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I did look it up and the pub had an edit with 703 pages, or did you change it already? Anyway, you are right. Thanks for your open eye. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan: Jupiter ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I approved your "Perry Rhodan: Jupiter" edits, but then moved them to a new subseries of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27234 Perry Rhodan Universe] I called it "Perry Rhodan: Jupiter", but you can change the title of course. The parent series should i.m.o. not be used for individual stories, but only for the sub-series. What do you think? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 17:28, 21 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I completely approve your edit. Although, there are quite a few solo pubs: Foremost I am thinking of some novels from the early 2000s (the years) by the likes of Frank Borsch ('Fleisch der Erinnerung'), which weren't part of a sub-series. They are not yet entered but eventually will. There also were some illustrated books (i.e. 'PR Weltraumatlas'). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Thomas Schluck = Thomas Schlück ==<br />
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I rejected the submission making the pseudonym and merged the records under one name. It appears to me that the lack of diacritical marks is a typesetter's choice, not an authorial or editorial one. All but one of the letters appeared in pubs that I had verified, so I chose to change them to the corrected German spelling of the name. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: OK, you're the verifier but I have to disagree that "Thomas Schluck = Thomas Schlück". Search for the former and you won't find the latter. (In fact, in Advanced search you don't seem to find ''either''.) Definitely software problems, but ones we might have to work around for now. By the way, can anyone say if "Agentur Thomas Schlück" is the same person? I have no German skills but it looks like "Agentur" means "Agency" which would make it a company rather than an artist. (I don't like putting companies in the Cover Artist field as that makes us treat them like real human beings.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:33, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Is there any software that can give the results for either name? Why does "Philip José Farmer" come up in the current software when I search for "jose" or "Élisabeth Vonarburg" when I search for "elisabeth"? Can the software be changed so that the a search that includes "u" results in names that contain the umlauted "u"? I don't know why some letters with diacritical marks are treated differently than others. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I suspect that our current software ''could'' do better on searches if we configured the MySQL implementation better. Remember, we currently have a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Variants_based_on_diacriticals SWEDISH search]! It would be/will be one of the biggest changes we could make and so far nobody seems willing to risk it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Since Schluck and Schlück are the same person, it makes sense to make them one author. Agentur Thomas Schlück is in fact an agency owned by Schlück, but since he isn't an artist, it wouldn't make sense to credit him as person for the art. So the agency should remain as an entry of its own in my opinion. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:56, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: I'd move it to Notes and leave the Artist field for the human being that actually did the Art - but it's not my Verification so I won't interfere. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:12, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Same here. I personally do not credit corporations or agencies, and have just left the field blank (now artists' co-ops and studios are different). I've seen cover art credited to film studios! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: One of the things I've deliberately NOT done in the proposed Moderator Data Clean-Up Searches is to make exceptions for websites or agencies in the Cover artist field - I've allowed Doctors to keep their " M.D." or ", Ph.D." suffixes for instance, but any Mod using such will keep being nagged about "N.A.S.A." or ".com" entries. A subtle protest that will easily be overturned if another developer disagrees and Ahasuerus prefers it, but it's all I'm doing for now. I don't want to abuse my Developer status and already worry about abusing my Moderator status. (I normally let disagreements fizzle out on the Wiki pages.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:02, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I didn't enter one of the pubs with either Agentur Schlück or Agentur Thomas Schlück. Since in one of them an actual cover artist is credited (John Harris) it would seem appropriate to delete it. But the verifier (Phileas) hasn't answered on his talk page since May 2010. Do you know anything about his whereabouts and/or how to proceed in such a case? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:29, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've no idea where he is now, but I hope he's OK. (We've had Editors die on us before.) But certainly after such a long absence I'd make the change and leave a message, rather than wait for a message to be answered. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:10, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Change approved, but the Publication Update was enough: the Cover Update was automatic. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:54, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry-Rhodan-Lexikon ==<br />
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In your last bunch of edits (all aproved) you palaced "Folge 298" in parentheses in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1261854 this title]. I assumed you meant to remove the parenteses for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1261853 Folge 297] (makes more sense i.m.o., and surely makes Heidrun Scheer's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?153609 bio page] look better), so I removed them from both titles. Can you re-submit if the edit was intentional? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 17:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:My edit was intentional: I looked up on perrypedia the article on the Lexikon, and according to that the numbering was forgotten for these two 'Folgen'. I'll submit it again. By the way, wasn't these the issues you guessed that they were published within one week? What has been your clue in this? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:59, 25 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Re-submissions accepted. Thanks for the explanation, and indeed, those were the two. It was you who set me on the trail of the wrong publication dates actually, noticing the date on #650. I checked back from #650 until I found [http://www.perrypedia.proc.org/wiki/Quelle:PR578 #578] and [http://www.perrypedia.proc.org/wiki/Quelle:PR579 #579], both published on September 29, 1972 according to Perrypedia. Later there were some other moves in the publication day (friday to tuesday to thursday and back to tuesday). I hope I have the correct data in my spreadsheet now, but if you see other inconsistencies, please tell me. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:57, 25 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyond This Horizon anthology ==<br />
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According to your notes, Helmut Wenske's name is misspelled throughout [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4421 the book]. If so, the record should reflect that, with variants made for the correct name. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:43, 25 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: In this or similar cases I'd say that it is not a pseudonym. Does a mere misspelling really justify the installation of a deviant name? Most likely the editor read about Wenskes work in German, when it would have been Wenske's work in English, and assumed that Wenskes was the surname. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:07, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::The average reader, picking up the book for the first time, would have no reason to believe the author's name is misspelled. If they searched for it on the ISFDB, they wouldn't find it, and correctly assume that the record was in error and would try to correct it. I can see no other way around the problem. What would you suggest otherwise? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:15, 27 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::In this case it's not important if it's a misspelling or if it's intentional or not. The rules of the ISFDB are ''The name should be entered exactly as it actually appeared in the publication. This includes pseudonyms, abbreviated names ("I. Asimov" instead of "Isaac Asimov", "Robert Heinlein" instead of "Robert A. Heinlein"), etc. As with the title, take the name from the title page in preference to the cover or spine of the book. However in a collection or anthology, take the author for individual stories, essays, and other short content from that listed at the start of the story or essay, if such a listing is present and differs from the table of contents or title page.'' See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#General_contents here] under author. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 16:26, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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OK, the arguments of yours have turned around my opinion and I will succumb :-) .[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:19, 27 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== PKD: In His Own Words ==<br />
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In your submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256926 this pub] you overwrote the container title record with the record for Rickman's introduction. If I accept the submission, it will wipe out the pub's link to its title record, and someone will have to go back in and create a new container title record. If I reject the submission, all the new content records will have to be recreated in another submission. Which would you prefer? (I'd personally go for the first as it would be simpler that the latter.) Rule of Thumb: Never overwrite a content record when updating a pub record unless you're absolutely certain how the changes will affect this pub and others. If you're not certain, create a set of fields for a new content record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:49, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, ashes on my head. I thought about that possibility (that I made a serious mistake) only after submitting (in fact only when I lay in bed), but decided it was too late for any correction. Thanks for giving me a choice on the matter: I would prefer the first possibility, too. In future submissions I will take more care. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:18, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've accepted the submission, but before we make any corrections, I'll let you take a look at the results. Looking at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256926 the pub record], you'll see that there is no title reference (the link that goes back to a pub's title record). If you click on the second content item ("1 • Philip K. Dick: An Introduction • essay by Gregg Rickman") you'll be led back to the original [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103373 title record] but now updated. The reviews and awards that were linked the original title record are now attached to the record for Rickman's introduction. It's going to take a few submissions to correct the problem. Would you like to try and would you prefer that I fix it? If you want to try yourself, the first submission would update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103373 this title record] back to its original state. Change the title back to ''Philip K. Dick: In His Own Words'' and make the title type "NONFICTION". Then just update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256926 the pub record] adding a new entry for the introduction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 13:31, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I'll try to fix it. Thank you for your help. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:46, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::It looks in good shape now. Thanks. (I've been out of town the last couple of days and am trying to catch up on any issues I may have left hanging.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== SF Almanach 1981 ==<br />
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Your note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349099 this record] gives the author as "Elisabeth E. Lynn" while the content record is given as "Elizabeth E. Lynn". I need verification before approving the submission making a pseudonym of the name. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:13, 7 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Elizabeth it is. Thanks for keeping an eye. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Darwins Welt ==<br />
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I'm not sure that this would be eligible for inclusion in the database. It doesn't appear to be spec-fic related, and is written by authors who have only one piece of fiction in the database. Do you have a stronger case for its inclusion? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Two cases for inclusion: a) a review of this title in Das Science Fiction Jahr, and b) that I plan to edit their Collected Works into the database, which contains some of the strongest examples of Science Fiction in Germany. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:55, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Good enough. Submission accepted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #745: Die Letzten der Koltonen ==<br />
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I suspect [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349826 this] may be #744. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Sure, you are right. I changed the title record, thanks. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Place of birth ==<br />
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Just a note that cities/towns are entered based the way they were known when the person was born. Thus {{A|Stanislaw Lem}}'s birthplace is listed as "Lwów, Poland" rather than "Lviv" or "Lemberg". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:10, 14 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you, I wasn't sure about that point, so I decided to put both names in. I'll try to improve on my edits. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:12, 15 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing an anthology record to a magazine ==<br />
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You'll now have to change the original title records of each of the anthologies into editor records. At the same time you have to place the series data back into the record. (You didn't have to remove the series data from those records as they would have automatically became editor series.) Let me know if you need help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:10, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:First, I will try my luck (and then maybe need some help). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Looks good. If you want this title to appear on its own magazine grid, you have to place the editor records of each issue into a series (as I mentioned above, this could have been done with one submission per title.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:22, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Dick poem ==<br />
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I moved the note you added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1280721 this record] from the synopsis field to the note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:20, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you. Perhaps it is time to come to an end for today. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Breaks before a note ==<br />
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I'm not understanding why you're placing a line break before notes. When they're displayed (as in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1280722 this case]), they don't line up with the "'''Note:'''". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I guess it became a habit. I think it better to have the notes aligned when there are more than one, but if there is only one it is in fact surplus. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Nova ==<br />
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I had to disambiguate the series name, because one by the same name already exists. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:41, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Unter Meinem Dach ==<br />
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Is the cover art credit in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352007 this pub] correct? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:46, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, this is the 'cover artist' stated on the copyright page. I'll upload the image, so you may see that it is not a painting. It'd be possible to give the name of the two people who ran the publisher instead, though. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:54, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Many publishers copyright their in-house covers but we normally don't credit the company in the artist field unless a specific person is named. I know you'll find corporate entities given credit in ISFDB, but I don't think it's a good standard to follow. I will usually record such credits in the note field. There hasn't been much discussion about this, nor do I believe that's an established rule about it. (You shouldn't give the names of the publishers unless they're specifically credited, which '''is''' the ISFDB standard.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:46, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Die Negane Stadt" edit ==<br />
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Hi. Your submission for updating {{T|1232914|Die Negane Stadt}} made no changes. I accepted it, but I can't tell what you intended, so I don't know whether the title is now the way you want it to be or not. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Something was wrong on Saturday in parts of the db: at least for the Perry Rhodan issues it seemed it was the state of two or three months ago. But at editing this issue I wasn't sure about that. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:28, 9 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Title page credit vs. copyright ==<br />
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Who is credited on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20254 Letters from Home]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:02, 11 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:As editor: nobody. The title page only says: 'Letters from Home' (over) Stories by Pat Cadigan, Karen Joy Fowler, Pat Murphy (over) The Women's Press. As another indication for Lefanu the copyright page also says: Sarah Lefanu would like to give special thanks to Uwe Luserke for his enthusiastic help in initiating this project. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Anthologies without editor credit should be "uncredited" unless the authors are named on the title page, in which case the anthology is credited to them. The [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/24900277 OCLC record] credits the three authors. I believe the record should remain as credited. I'll keep the submission on hold if you wish to start a discussion on the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Just hold it a little longer, because I think it's an interesting case of known editor given in the copyrights vs. editor not stated on the title page. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:14, 12 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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(Unindent) It looks like I accidentally (momentary lapse of reason?) approved your edit of this pub before I saw the Rules and Standards discussion. It should i.m.o. have been put on hold during the discussion, to prevent mistakes like this. I changed the credits back to the way they were originally (replaced Sarah LeFanu with the three authors). I agree with Michael Hutchins on this, if you're sure Sarah LeFanu is the editor, and there's no explicit credit it should be entered as by "uncredited", a pseudonym of Sarah LeFanu and the three authors should stay in (only my opinion). Sorry about the trouble. Please take another look and re-submit. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:17, 23 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:To credit our hero 'uncredited' with this anthology would be fine for me, since actually nobody is credited anywhere in the book (Sarah Lefanu would be i.m.o. the only reasonable person, but Michael and you are right that this would be a deduction). I'll wait for the submit until tomorrow, though, for any second thoughts. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:24, 24 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Stray Kurt Brand titles ==<br />
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As an editor familiar with Perry Rhodan, you might be able to help me decide what to do with the shortfiction titles on {{A|Kurt Brand}}'s summary page. None of the seven titles have a publication associated with them. I'm thinking that the titles may have been removed from US printings of the magazine version and varianted into the German publications but I can't find anything that matches. Do you think they should they be deleted? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:09, 18 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:A printed bibliography of Brand's work led to no clue, although the one title with 'Thomas Cardif' in it seem to suggest that it is part of the Perry Rhodan Universe but I can't find anything that matches, either, so from my p.o.v. it'd be okay to delete them. In the worst case they have to be entered anew. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Proposed 3-way merge of "The Psychologist Who Wouldn't Do Awful Things to Rats" art ==<br />
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Hi. I have your proposed merge of:<br />
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on hold. The first two have Racoona Sheldon as the artist, but the third has James Tiptree, Jr. Also, that third one is the parent of the first one. Perhaps you meant to merge just the first two Sheldon ones? Or am I missing something? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi, Marty. I thought this was the right thing to do, since it said on the Tiptree author page that this artwork only appeared under the name Raccoona Sheldon. If this was false or led to undesired results, than I do want to merge only the two Sheldon titles. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::When merging, you usually should only merge titles where the title text and author credits are identical. If either of those things is different, you should make a variant (the rare exception is when one of the titles/credits is wrong, and you mean for it to be eliminated). Here, Sheldon is a pseudonym for Tiptree. While the artwork only ever appeared as by Sheldon, we make it a variant of the same title credited instead to the author's canonical name so that it appears in the canonical author's bibliography display. That display annotates each title ("also as by" means it appeared credited to the canonical name and to the cited name; "only as by" means it never appeared credited to the canonical name, just to the cited name; no annotation means it only appeared credited to the canonical name). Anytime we have a title credited to a pseudonym, we make that title a variant of a parent title credited to the canonical author, regardless of whether the work ever appeared credited to that canonical name. Does that make sense? It's definitely confusing.... I will reject your merge and merge just the two Sheldon titles. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:17, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thank you. I see that it makes sense to feature a work under the canonical name also and not only under the pseudonym. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:35, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Susan Schwartz ==<br />
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I'm holding the submission adding an essay by Susan Schwartz to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352900 this pub] pending the response to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:BLongley#Excerpt_in_Mind_Meld this inquiry]. It appears to be the only extant record for "Susan Schwartz" as a pseudonym for Susan Shwartz. Once that's determined we can decide if the author of your essay has to be disambiguated. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:In fact, it is not a pseudonym for Susan Shwartz but for the German author Uschi Zietsch. That is why WillemH.(I think) introduced the notation (3-8-1961) for disambiguation. She had quite a few novellas in the German Perry Rhodan series, none of them already entered. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It ''was'' a pseudonym because there was a record by Shwartz in the database which was incorrectly credited as "Schwartz". Now that the record's been corrected there is no reason to disambiguate her names as "Susan Schwartz (3-8-1961"). It can be entered simply as "Susan Schwartz" and then you can make it into a pseudonym for Uschi Zietsch and variant the title record. I'll accept the submission and let you make the corrections. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:08, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hey, thank you, that's even better. I will submit the necessary edits. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:52, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "An All-Day Poem" in ''The Right Way to Figure Plumbing'' ==<br />
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Should Disch's "An All-Day Poem" be a POEM instead of an OMNIBUS, in your proposed content addition to ''The Right Way to Figure Plumbing''? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:59, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Uh, yeah, I guess so: 14 pages are a little short for an OMNIBUS. Oh damn, how did that happen again? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:11, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::The choices are next to each other in the menu. It is easy to choose the wrong one. I accepted the submission and changed the type. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Search for Philip K. Dick'' ==<br />
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I have looked up this book in OCLC and corrected the number of pages. Also, when library catalogs put "c1995" in the date field, they are referring to the copyright date. Copyright dates are not always the same as publication dates, so I documented what we know in Notes. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, thank ''you'' for expanding my knowledge on library catalogs. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Science Fiction Eye #2 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194321 this pub], but made a couple of changes. Page count was changed based on ISFDB standards for magazine entry (with an adjustment of the note in the note field). The title of the book reviewed by Ted White was changed from "Only Apparently..." (the review's title) to ''Only Apparently Real: The World of Philip K. Dick'', and then linked to that book's title record. Thanks for adding the interior art credits which was not a priority when I added the pub four years ago. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #603: Planet der Ritterspiele ==<br />
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I added the CID (image data and license tag) to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Scan10002.jpg this image]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Sex and the Black Machine" by Aldiss ==<br />
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I've added a cover image to your verified record of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?336858 this pub]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Russ letter ==<br />
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Is the date that you appended to the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?960693 this record] the actual title as presented in the publication? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes it has the date from 1984. It is not actually stated in the introduction, but it seems to be published for the first time in 1995 (no earlier publication indicated). Sorry for the late answer, I have been on a short vacation over the long weekend here in Germany. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Herbert W. Franke's Der Auftrag ==<br />
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You verified {{P|353522|this pub}} which contains {{T|1058159|Der Auftrag}} (1960 ss) and {{P|353734|this pub}} which contains {{T|1289884|Der Auftrag}} (1982 nt). Is the second one an expansion of the first? Or are these actually the same? Thanks. --[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 17:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I would treat it as a different work of fiction, since the later work was written as a radio play. Are you further interested if it is actually adapted from the earlier short story? In this case I'd have to read the play. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:19, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Nope, that's fine. Thanks. --[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 23:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Unendliche Grenzen ==<br />
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I added a cover image, and corrected the ISBN number, for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337630 verified copy] of this publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Michael Marrak'' by Lord Gamma...or ''Lord Gamma'' by Michael Marrak? ==<br />
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The author and title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354205 this record] appear to be reversed. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:12, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right. I made a corrected submission. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::The note on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354232 this record] says there's no given series, yet it was placed into one. What does the note mean? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I intended the meaning that neither a series editor nor a title editor were given. Should I make it more clear in the note?[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 21:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, adding that extra "editor" after series makes a whole new meaning. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Ypsilon minus ==<br />
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Re the update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1289887 this title]: We consider a novel's title date to be the date of its first book publication, regardless of a previously published serialization. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, I changed it back. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:10, 10 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Synopsis or note field ==<br />
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You've made a few title record updates in the past hour or so that records a story's first appearance. Some have been placed in the Synopsis field and others in the Note field. Given a choice, I think they should be placed in the title record's Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:15, 10 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, you're right. In the title edit screen the synopsis field is so huge that I don't see the note field at once. Will do my best to avoid this fault. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Moloch'', by Peter Crowther ==<br />
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I added a cover image, from Amazon, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337737 verified copy] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:29, 13 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you, I must have missed out on this one (and the other Crowther edited anthology).[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== SF Eye #11 ==<br />
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Update of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60352 this pub] was accepted, but I wonder about the "c"s that start the note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:16, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::They must have crept in via the paste & copy edit. I'll change it.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I also accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60357 #9] but gave the more complete title to Westfahl's essay as it appears on the story's title page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:54, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's fine. Anyway, I wonder if it is more an essay or a story; I tend to the first. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Dr. Ihoka's Cure ==<br />
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Please re-check the ISBN for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354572 this publication]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I re-checked and it remains the same, and I can't find it in the Library of Congress Online Catalog. It remains a mystery. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Because it's not a valid ISBN, I've placed "#" before it to avoid the error message, and made a note to that effect in the note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Public Eye'' ==<br />
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I added more info from the OCLC record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354573 this publication]. Also changed the binding to "hc". All Abebooks.com dealers give this ISBN as hardcover. If the SF Eye review gives it as "tp", perhaps they may have reviewed the ARC. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:39, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:No, tp was a guess by me, deducted (wrongly) from the price. There should be given a type of binding by the editor of ISFDB, shouldn't it? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::In 1990, $20 was a typical hardcover price. And to answer your question about a source of the binding, did you state in your original submission that the binding was guessed by the ISFDB editor? :) I've added Abebooks.com dealers as the source for the binding. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:13, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== PR 1024 ==<br />
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I'm holding what appears to be a duplicate submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354335 this publication]. Can you verify that all the changes you wanted is in the current record? If I accept the submission, all of the contents will be duplicated, which would involve a lot of removing and deleting of content records. I don't know how this happened, but it appears to be a system glitch. The first submission and its acceptance isn't even showing up on the list of Recent Integrations, even though the pub appears to be updated. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:When I look at the pub there's only the novella by H. G. Francis as content. Maybe this won't be so in an hour. I propose to try it again, I'll leave a message so that you could accept the submission (or not). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Try refreshing your cache. My view of the record shows 17 content records and the cover image. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, now my view is up to date, too. This is the complete set of contents. Please reject the double, thanks.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Der Auftrag" by Herbert W. Franke ==<br />
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You've verified two records that appear to be different stories with this title. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1058159 first] (1960) is only three pages long, and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1289884 second] (1982) is 40 pages long. Are they related? We'll probably need to disambiguate them or place something in their title record's note field so that another editor won't come alone and merge them. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Will do so. The later one is a radio play, so I'll add this information.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Date for ''Stadt wischen den Planeten'' ==<br />
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I changed the date on {{P|231557|this pub}} from 1960-00-06 to 1960-06-00. I apologize if that's not correct. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:33, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'm sorry, but it is not correct. I intended this date only for the correct display of the pub. series, but don't be afraid, I will submit anew.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, I see. You should at least include a note about why the date is the way it is. I know one editor/moderator in the past has done something similar with using the day of the date to indicate a printing. I don't agree with the practice, as I think the date should just be the date and not have any other meaning. But I don't know what our actual policy is, so I will leave those edits for a moderator who knows better. But if you're trying to fix the order in the Publisher Series, all you need to do to get it to sort properly is to zero-pad the shorter numbers. For example, the sorting (if they all have the same date) is "Z 10", "Z 13", "Z 4", but would be "Z 04", "Z 10", "Z 13". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:44, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh, thank you, didn't know that. But with a little help from my friends it is so much easier (if I would stress my brain a little bit, there ''could'' creep out some equally good ideas). I will gladly use your proposal in the future. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::If you'd like, I can accept the submissions, change the dates to "-00", and change the series numbers to 02, 04, 06.... If you want them to be that way, it is faster for me to do it. Let me know. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:05, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::That'd be a fine doing. Thank you very much! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?551 doing] is done. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] <br />
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:Great! Looks a lot better, without compromising the date field. Thank you! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:37, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Das Science Fiction Jahr Ausgabe 1990 ==<br />
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I see that you've dated several of the reviews in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354252 year book] prior to this book's publication. I'm assuming these are translations of earlier published reviews and you gave them the date of their original publication. Does the book acknowledge the source of the original publications? If so, it would be nice to record that info in the note field of the review's title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hilfe aus Zeit und Raum ==<br />
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After approving the changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1297421 ''Hilfe aus Zeit und Raum''], I noticed that we now have two 792s in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28663 ''PR Zyklus 12: Die Aphilie'']. Could you please double check? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for your open eye. It had to be #791 in one case and I submiited the correction.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:48, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Heyne Science Fiction [& Fantasy] ==<br />
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Should the publisher series on {{P|355695|Zwei von Ihnen}} be [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?252 Heyne Science Fiction] instead of a new, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?716 Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy]? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I did see you added some others to that new series, so never mind.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #2486: Wispern des Hyperraums ==<br />
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I noticed that you didn't change the language to German in the submission of this issue. Are you aware of the change in software that allows the submitter to set the language of the publication? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I forgot to mention, this can only be done when adding new publications. The newly created title record gets the language designation, not the pub record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Oh, I seem to have not recognized this feature when entering the last pubs. I'll gladly use it in the future.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Updates to ''Foundation'' ==<br />
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Thanks for updating the stub issues that I entered of this title. What is the source for your data? Also, I see you're adding the issue number to the title field, which is good because they're more known by issue number than by date of publication. I also noticed that you're placing commas both before and after the issue number. Was that intentional? When we updated ''Interzone'' from the date only title to the issue number & date title, we placed a comma after the title with only a space between issue number and date. Do you think we should be consistent or that this title should be handled differently? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, it seems I remembered falsely the format of IZ titles with two commas - better to check it out before editing.<br />
:I found that the price information I added is only the price for a one year subscription. There is only a price for single back issues mentioned (not for the topical issue), but this price may be a reduced price. Should I enter this price with a remark in the notes?<br />
:I enter from the actual issues of Foundation. No. 15 is the earliest I have, and I have no complete run (#20 is missing, for example). But I own the most issues up to around #50.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have a few issues myself, and it looks like I avoided the price issue entirely. We should probably only give the subscription price in the note field and leave the price field blank (when or if an individual price is ever stated, not a back issue price.)<br />
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::I'm holding a submission that adds over two dozen more reviews to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293933 Issue #15], which seems to be pretty full as is. I think there may have been a conflict in timing, as several reviews are duplicated in the new submission. Also the cover URL is in the cover artist field. Do you want me to accept the submission? If so, you'll have to remove and delete about a dozen duplicate records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, please, accept it. Better to remove and change a bit than to enter them anew. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Submission accepted. Remember, once you've dropped the records from the pub, you'll also have to delete each one. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I still don't get why these double submissions occurred. Somehow it seems that after p. 94 (review of Aldiss' Last Orders) the mistake happened, because it was twice there but Aldiss wasn't mentioned as author in the first of them and after that page there was only one of each title. Mysterious, mysterious. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::If you entered partial contents in a previous submission, it's possible that in your second submission you updated from a version in your browser's cache, and not from the record in the database that you'd already updated with partial contents. (The previously entered contents may not even be visible on the page.) Whenever I'm entering a publication with many content records and have split the entry into several submissions, I always make sure I go directly to the database record, and not mistakenly use the browser's back button (although I admit doing that more than once and winding up in the same position as you are now.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Recent Integrations list shows a submission that updated the record last night [2011-06-26 21:44:56 1637185 - PubUpdate Stonecreek Mhhutchins Foundation, #15, January 1979] and then today [2011-06-27 13:20:21 1637683 - PubUpdate Stonecreek Mhhutchins Foundation, #15 January 1979]. I can't tell what each of them consists of, but the scenario I gave above is not likely because of the number of hours between the two submissions. So that still leaves the doubled contents a mystery. <br />
::A few years ago there was a period when I was getting many duplicate submissions, which I narrowed down to a mouse that double clicked when I didn't want it to. It got to the point that I was so paranoid that I never used the mouse to click on the submit button, but used the keyboard's "Enter" button instead. I got into the habit and 90% of the time I still don't click submit! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:37, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, it may be the mouse. Normally I also use the Enter button. In the first session (2011-06-26) I entered only the feature articles and a few reviews, and in the second session I submitted the rest of the reviews. But on the other side my keyboard has the 'ability' to fix on a button (for example getting 'vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv' when using the Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v combination. Still another mystery is why the addition of the review of Aldiss' Last Orders was accepted without the author of the book. But now on to rectify Foundation #15.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Hm, that sounds like a bug since it shouldn't be possible to create a pub with an author-less review. There were some problems in this area a while back, but I thought I had them resolved. Perhaps not... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: There are definitely oddities still. I don't think it's down to the submitter - the XML looks good. However, if the ''approver'' doesn't get the whole thing approved in '''one''' attempt, then there may be a ''partial'' update that gets through and then the ''second'' attempt at approval duplicates all the bits that got through before the failure. For Techies: check "MyISAM" versus "INNODB". If I'm right, I can't see any way around this except to build in proper transaction processing, which is a massive task. :-( [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Books Received ==<br />
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Hi, I changed "Books Received February 1998" to "1999" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59046 this] issue of Interzone. [[User:Jonschaper|Jonschaper]] 05:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Author initials ==<br />
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I approved the changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?329362 ''The Lunatics of Terra''] and then changed "JT Lindroos" to "J. T. Lindroos". This is a somewhat grey area and Help is ambiguous on the subject:<br />
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*Initials should normally be entered followed by a period and a space as "Gordon R. Dickson" or "K. D. Wentworth", even if period or space is omitted in the publication. However, when it is clearly the author's choice to omit the period, or when the author has a single letter name that is not an initial (e.g. "Harry S Truman") the period should be omitted. In the very rare case where an author prefers two (or more) initials as if they were a name (such as "TG Theodore"), without period or space, and is so credited, we follow the author's preference. A possible clue to such cases occurs when most authors have initials shown with period and space, but a particular author is handled differently in a magazine or anthology. Checking other sources, such as a Wikipedia article or the author's web site, is a good idea. Such non-standard forms should be mentioned in a publication or title note.<br />
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As an aside, we should really clarify Help to explain that this rule was originally put in place so that we wouldn't have to create pseudonyms when publishers try to get fancy, e.g. "robert a heinlein" instead of "Robert A. Heinlein". The "author preferences" clause was an afterthought to account for authors who consistently use a non-standard form of their name, a different issue.<br />
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In this case, we already had a {{A|J. T. Lindroos}} Summary page and the artist's [http://jtlindroos.carbonmade.com/about Web page] suggests that he uses both forms of the name, although "JT Lindroos" seems to be preferred. I think we'll want to stick with "J. T. Lindroos" for now and see how it evolves. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see Ahasuerus has caught it before me - and probably explained it better. I must go check the "Julia Lindroos" I verified - "Juha" seems more common although it's not a forename I recognise. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: And I see Ahasuerus has also identified an email address, which someone with more time than us might like to chase up. So many things to do, so little time - but that's why we have Editors! ;-) I do find that when I chase down a little known Author or Artist they're quite appreciative of the publicity we're giving them though. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:47, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the clarifying! I wasn't sure how to edit JT Lindroos, because that's the name given and the other Lindrooses weren't pseudonyms at that time. But hey, Juha may even be a misreading of Julia on the side of the publisher. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I think Julia is a misreading of Juha rather than vice versa. He appears to be male, with a Finnish name. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:45, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== I especially want your comments ==<br />
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On [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Design_for_phase_4.28.3F.29_of_foreign_language_support]], and on phase 3 too. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 00:49, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Freas Cover ==<br />
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Just an FYI that [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/6/6f/DLBNDNDJQK1978.jpg this]] cover is re-cycled from [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/43/THSTRCRWND1975.jpg.jpg this]] older cover. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 22:07, 2 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== SF Times ==<br />
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You'll need to manually link the reviews to the titles that they review. If the German language title isn't in the database, you can link them to the English title record. A question: did Rainer Zubeil [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321207 review] his own novel? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:No, he didn't. Thanks for finding the fault. The linking is under way. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Kopernikus 4 ==<br />
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How certain are you that the interior artwork and introduction that was supposedly commissioned by the SFBC (US) in 1996 for their stand-alone publication of the Tiptree story was the same artwork and introduction that was published in a 1981 edition of a German-language book? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:20, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I am absolutely certain (that they are not part of the book). I just wanted to grab the novella by Tiptree without having to link it afterwards and thought that a chapbook would be the brightest idea. But, alas, there still remains work to do ;-). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:53, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:On second thought it may have been wiser to use the Export Content device, wouldn't it? I will try this one on another item.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:40, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:That didn't do the trick, either.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:04, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, it would have been just as easy to 1) create a new content record and 2) merge it with the existing one. Exporting single records just isn't very efficient. You end up having to make just as many or even more submissions that you would have otherwise. I only use Import/Export to duplicate the entire contents of a book, but that's my personal preference (and from someone who's been around awhile, it's something to take into consideration.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::It'd be only efficient if a chapbook has only one entry (the one you would want to include), I think. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::True, but you chose a chapbook with three content records, which meant you had to made an additional submission to remove the two records you didn't want. Why take the chance that you would forget to come back to the pub record to remove the extraneous records? Both methods required two submissions. When faced with a situation where there are two choices, each requiring equal effort, it's better to choose the one with the least possible complications. All my humble opinion, of course, and Occam's. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:00, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Ed Cartier = Edd Cartier ==<br />
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I have submissions that want to merge records with credits by Ed Cartier with those by Edd Cartier. Were these records incorrectly credited? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they were credited to Ed Cartier in the copyright informations, but I don't think that they are worth a new pseudonym. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll accept the submissions. Be sure to record the actual credit in the pub's note field. Don't be surprise if other editors disagree with this choice. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Reinmar Cu[n]is ==<br />
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I changed the author credit from "Reinmar Cuis" to "Reinmar Cunis" on your {{P|360206|Der Mols-Zwischenfall}} submission. It looked like a typo to me, and I figured I would save you an edit-and-approve cycle. I apologize if that was not correct. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, thank you very much, indeed! That ''was'' a typo on my behalf. I guess a second look on the submission would have some merits. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:03, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing the credits on editor records ==<br />
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I have three submissions that want to change to editor credits for Perry Rhodan, years 1985 - 1987. You want to drop Günter M. Schelwokat and add Horst Hoffmann on all three. Will you be updating the pub records with the same substitution? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:11, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, I will. It's in the pipeline. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 21:15, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::During your inactive time, we added a field labeled "Note to Moderator". Use this field to supply addition information about the submission (not about the publication), especially if you anticipate a moderator having to ask you a question about the submission (such as the one I just asked). This note does not become part of the record, and disappears after the submission is accepted. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]<br />
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:: And please let me know of any other kind of edits where a "Note to Moderator" will be useful - I'm aware I've missed a few. I can't promise when they'll go live, but after some painful editing sessions recently I would like to relax with a bit more coding. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: In general, I'd say that it could be useful in any possible submission, though the ones where something is about to be changed have priority, at least in my opinion [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: It looks as though Ahasuerus is testing such for Making or Removing a Pseudonym, which could be useful given the amount of Author work going on at the moment. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Jager / Hunter ==<br />
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I have a submission on hold that wants to change the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1324016 this record] to "Hunter", and the language to English. According to the pub (Ganymedes 1), it is a Dutch original story. The note you want to add, "Ominously, this title was translated for the Dutch anthology Ganymedes 1 (translation by Les Cornwell)." makes no sense to me. Where does the information come from?<br />
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: It is from that anthology. It's an information given at the end of the story (on p. 30, to be exact). And there's another story in it that is also translated. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:43, 11 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Amazing. But I still have to reject your submission, since it wants to change the title of the Dutch version. Instead I made it a variant of a new title record and added your note to the translated title. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:44, 11 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Experiment mit nicht steuerbaren Folgeerscheinungen ==<br />
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I have a submission on hold that wants to turn the language of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1324141 this title] to Russian. It's the German translation, so I think it should be German (you already made it a variant of a Russian record). Could you also change the canonical title to Russian (not the language, but the title itself)? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, but it will be my transcription of the title written in Kyrillian. I have my doubts that it will be correct, so I hesitated in entering. Shall I proceed nevertheless? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:19, 10 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I guess so. It just looks strange to have the original Russian title the same as the translated German. You might ask Ahasuerus to take a look, his Russian is far better than mine (= nonexistent). --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:12, 10 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: Done! And Russian is not too bad if you don't mind spending twenty years getting comfortable with its perfective and imperfective aspects :-) {{unsigned|Ahasuerus}} 18:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I knew there were better things to do with my life. Learning to decipher the Cyrillic alphabet should have been my first priority. Too late now, alas :). Shall I reject your submission, or do you want to withdraw it? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I have cancelled the submisson. Thank you both. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Elianer ==<br />
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I approved your edit to number "Die Elianer" as a sub-series of "Stellaris", but I don't think the result is what you expected. Numbering sub-series does just that, numbering sub-series. It doesn't place a sub-series on that position of the items in the series. Take a look [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28636 here] and you'll see. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:40, 12 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Nah, that really isn't what I had in mind. Would a numeration as #22-#24 of the three individual parts of the serial help?[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I'm afraid not, numbering them only defines their order in the sub-series. I don't think we have a way to place a sub-series between the numbered items. Sorry. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:38, 12 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Eine Reise zu John Brunner art ==<br />
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Did you mean to change the art numbering from 12, 13, 16 to 2, 3, '''<u>6</u>''' as you submitted, or 2, 3, '''<u>4</u>''' on " Eine Reise zu John Brunner" ({{T|1325259|this}}) in {{P|359769|Science Fiction Times #150}}? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:29, 15 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, it should have been <u>4</u>. I have no idea how 12, 13, 16 got into it the first time. Shall I resubmit?[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No, that's ok, I will fix it. I think the original numbers were the page numbers. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Paddy Chayevsky / Paddy Chayefsky ==<br />
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Hi, you verified {{T|1299321|this review}} with the sole occurence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?158711 Paddy Chayevsky], while all other publication from or about this author are for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2400 Paddy Chayefsky]. Is yours a typo or a different transcription? Can you perhaps change the author name in the review and say in the note that the spelling in the review is slightly different from the usual? This saves us a lot of extra authors created from typos and different translations or so I've been told. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:As I remember it, this was the spelling in the review, but I will look it up - probably tomorrow. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: The cover image shows "Chayevsky" so it's likely to be a different transcription. But we try to avoid ''reviewees'' being pseudonyms when a note about the different spelling in the review record would suffice. When you've got 80,000 authors to cope with you really don't want too many extras! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:26, 20 September 2011 (UTC) <br />
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:: I know the problem of those transcriptions. I also keep speedskating statistics, and all hell breaks loose when I get Chinese names through Russian channels. There is even difference between the Norwegian, English and German way of transcription from the Russian Cyrillic to Roman script. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: It's worse than that -- check out [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian#Transliteration_table this table]. Even the English speaking world can't agree on a single standard :-( And to make things even more "interesting", historians usually make exceptions for "well known individuals" like Trotsky... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Don't scare editors off just as we're about to blackjack them! ;-) Christian is already up for approval as Moderator, and Dirk isn't far off I think. Although I suspect [[User:P-Brane]] is probably going to become our native(?) Russian expert eventually. I have enough problems with diacritics and accents and all sorts of things non-ASCII that I want to encourage them - if it wasn't for me liking the "£" sign to be represented correctly I'd go for a good old-fashioned "seven-bits with parity" option. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:02, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Sternträumer'' by Cordwainer Smith ==<br />
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I believe the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361869 this collection] is sufficiently different from the English collection that it should not be under the same title record. Only three of the eight stories appeared in the earlier collection. If you agree, do an umnerge from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37405 this title record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:55, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, done. Actually, 'Sternträumer' '''is''' regarded as original edition in Germany, I only did otherwise because 'Stardreamer' is given as original title. Thank you for clearing it up. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:02, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, it looks like you unmerged both the English and the German pub records from the title record. If I accept the submission you'll have to merge the two English title records back together. Your call. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh, oh, seems I misunderstood the unmerge window. I'll resubmit. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:07, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I wrote a note on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1328158 new title record] to warn other editors not to merge or variant this record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Gates of Creation'' ==<br />
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Did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362047 this publication] retain the English title? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:07, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:No, in the moment of submitting I already realized my omission, I will correct it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:36, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Planer der schmelzenden Berge'' ==<br />
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Is the cover artist's name hyphenated as shown in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362050 this record]? If so, we need to make it into a pseudonym and create a variant record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I also believe the first word in the title is misspelled. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:24, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, and yes: you're right on both points, but I changed the name to Morris Scott Dollens. In the German books he is the cover artist of (and that I have), he is credited without hyphenation, so I don't think it is worth a pseudonym. I will put a note into the pub record, though. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:44, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Do you think you're ready to be a Moderator? ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I've been following your progress on the database since you first started, and in a recent discussion your name has come up as a potential moderator. Multi language skills are more and more appreciated these days. I've had no problems with your submissions for some time now, and think you're at least ready for self-approval. Take a look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Moderator_Qualifications Moderator Qualifications] and the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Moderator Moderator Helpscreen], and let me know what you think. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:48, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, thank you, Willem! I don't know if I am ready to be a moderator, even if it's only for self-approval. There '''does creep''' the occasional typing error into my submissions, although I strive for more accuracy in this field. Having somebody taking a second look isn't too bad. As I realize, it would take on the other hand some workload off the shoulders of other moderators, especially in the German Perry Rhodan universe. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:19, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Even if you just self-moderated your Perry Rhodan entries that would save us a lot of work! An "occasional typing error" is normal - look at any Moderator's talk-page and you'll see we do check on each other and point out (sometimes embarrassing) mistakes still. It would be fine if you started with your own edits, and you can still leave any questionable ones to the rest of us to have a second look at. It's not a case of "Mods should know everything" - we'll support a new Moderator as much as, if not more than, a new Editor. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: I guess you are saying that nobody is perfect (I certainly am not). So, yes, if there'd be enough voices in favor of me getting into the task, I wouldn't say no. (But I'd forward my submissions without it, too.) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:39, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Becoming familiar with the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Moderator_Qualifications Moderator Qualifications] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Moderator Moderator Help] pages should inform your decision. It's not as daunting a task as it may first appear. Moderating your own submissions and questioning other moderators about unfamiliar procedures is the best approach. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: This looked like a "Yes I Do". Thanks for your honesty Christian! I'll start the process. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:30, 23 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Morgen ==<br />
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I'm assuming you don't have copies of this periodical (the page numbers aren't given.) If not, please note the source of your data. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Hello, Michael. I am assuming you refer to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362102 this pub]. Alas, I don't know anything about it. Could it have been submitted by Dirk P. Broer? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:26, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::You're absolutely correct. I was handling yours and Dirk's submissions at the same time and confused his with yours. Pardon. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Birthplace of Stefan Grabinski ==<br />
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Do you know in what country was Kamionka Strumilowa in 1887? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Not now, I planned a research for tomorrow. Now it is part of Ukraine, but in the history of this country and Poland there were quite some changes, most of them courtesy of Germany, alas. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's near Lviv (then Lemberg), so it must have been a part of Austria-Hungary in 1887. (Coincidentally, another SF writer, {{A|Stefan Grabinski}}, was also born in Kamionka Strumilowa.) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:32, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Woman Space submissions ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Yesterday I approved your edits for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35829 this title], but after [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins#Woman_Space_.2F_F.26SF_review this] changed the credit back to "uncredited", and copied your note about 'The New Victoria Collective' to the title record. This has no effect on the review [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293941 here]. Hope you can agree. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Fine by me, I just thought it'd be better even to have an 'institution' as editor than 'uncredited'. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:19, 26 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Kalimatan ==<br />
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Saw [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins#Shepard.27s_Kalimantan this]] post, so dug for my copy. Page numbers do not match, but that's irrelevant. First piece: Adult Movies/Live Girls Nude on signs in background; piece two: rope bridge with planks; piece three: figure with arm out on posts wired together, pointed on top; piece four: falling figure into snake's mouth; piece five: figure with knife in right hand, jungle background; piece six: two smaller figures, large one with hole in chest [?]. Go for the gusto on adding/merging/all that stuff we do! ;-) --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 23:08, 26 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Check! The artwork is in the same order as in my edition (should be, because it illustrates the text). Thank you for taking not one but six looks! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:48, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== William Moy Russell ==<br />
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I approved your submission to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1329113 this title] a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1330502 this one]. Remember that a second edit is necessary to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162217 W. M. S. Russell] a pseudonym of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3008 William Moy Russell]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:21, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Ok, done. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::And approved. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Moderator ==<br />
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Congratulations, you are now a moderator! When you get a chance, please take a look at [[Help:Screen:Moderator]] -- there is quite a bit of useful information there, especially re: moderating automated submissions. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:13, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Congratulations and welcome! Have fun with your new powers. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:25, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Welcome aboard! Remember you're not being thrown in the deep-end, you can still ask us for advice and help. But I look forward to not having to deal with your Perry Rhodan Title updates any more... ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:44, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you very much for trusting one imperfect guy! I'll try to get a bit deeper into moderating next week (it's a long weekend over here and I'm out for a prolonged visit), but to be able to approve your own edits feels great. Editing Perry Rhodan even gets somewhat on my nerves - and I have some interest in the series. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:12, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alien Contact #36 ==<br />
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I happen to have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362530 this German language publication] because it prints a translated excerpt from an essay by Michael Bishop about Brian Aldiss that is used as an introduction to an excerpt from Aldiss' biography. Well, I thought I'd try my hand at entering it and you can see the results. My biggest problem was that the titles under review were all capitalized, so I couldn't tell which words in the titles had initial capitalized letters. Also, there's a credit at the end of a review as simply "cak." which I assume is an abbreviation for a common German word. Do you know what this could be? I linked the reviews to the English language title records, but there are a set of reviews for German language books, most of which are not in the database, thus unlinked. I'd appreciate your looking over the record when you get a chance to tell me how many mistakes I made. :) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:31, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Michael! I happen to have this pub also. You did quite well in entering the reviews and the rest of the publication! As you suspected there are a few faults in the titles of the reviewed books regarding some initial capitalized letters. If you don't mind, I'd correct them to the German spelling (although I have to research the Kim Newman novel: it could be 'Der rote Baron' or 'Der Rote Baron'). There seems to exist no English version of 'Bären' by Diane Duane, which astonishes me (but it's possible). And regarding 'cak': it is most surely an abbreviation for somebody, maybe Carsten Kuhr, who did a lot of reviews in German fanzines and magazines. That remains a speculation nevertheless, because he is not mentioned in the pub. Probably it'd be better to leave it at 'cak'. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for looking it over. Please proceed to make the necessary corrections in capitalization. (There must be rules to German capitalization, but I just can't seem to get the knack. And those umlauts really pop up a lot, too!) The Duane story threw me for a loop as well. I kept looking for a statement about its original publication in English but never found it. And use your newly acquired power to moderate the submission. Congratulations! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Maybe the Duane story was the first publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1243852 this story]. I'll try to see if there was an earlier English publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:48, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I found [http://web.archive.org/web/20020204223637/http://www.owlsprings.com/bears.htm the original English version] of the story using the Wayback Machine on Archives.org. It has a 1995 copyright but no statement about any original publication. This page was pulled from a 2003 scan of Duane's older website. So now we know the story exists in English, but now I have to look for an actual publication... [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Looks good, because 'Bären' is the translation of 'Bears'. Maybe it wasn't published before: at least over here only small presses tend to publish shortfiction, the big publishers nowadays go only for novels & serials. If she hadn't found a publisher before, ebooks could be a clever way out. <br />
:::Thanks for the congratulations!<br />
:::For the German spelling: unlike in English titles (only) nouns are capitalized - with quite a lot of exceptions (who would've guessed otherwise?).<br />
:::I'll do the edits, after checking the one exception mentioned above (or more, if they creep up). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:00, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Images without licenses ==<br />
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I noticed that you uploaded five images yesterday without a license tag. If you didn't use the semi-automated "Upload Cover Scan" function from the database side, and uploaded them on the wiki side using the "Upload File" function, these images will not automatically have the image licenses attached to them. As an example, you can see that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:AraToxin2heyne07.jpg this wiki page] for one of the images is "naked" (without a license explaining our fair use rationale and a data tag which gives a link back to the publication record, as they appear on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THESCAR2002.jpg this page]). You can add a license to these images by editing the page and using this CID1 template in the edit window:<br />
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Replace the parameter, as well as the angle brackets (< >), with the image's data. If you need assistance, just ask. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry for this fault. I clearly forgot the legal side of adding cover images. Thanks for the reminder. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:41, 5 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Linien der Zeit ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I saw you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1333774 this pub] to the database. I have a question about this one. The Dutch edition states that the novel was written in German, and after publication by Ullstein was translated to Dutch by the author. What does your edition say about this (if anything)? One thing is certain, the German edition was published first and should probably be the canonical title. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:45, 6 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure about the canonical title: I'd say that the German title remains the variant. Because: the original Dutch title is given and it is stated that the author translated it from the Dutch (that is the other way around as stated in the Dutch edition - but I think that this statement was perhaps only on the side of the publisher). Regrettably, we can't ask the author anymore, but for me the most probable scenario would have been that the author at first couldn't find a Dutch publisher, translated it for the German publication and that made things easier to publish it in the original. After all - as an example - 'He Walked Among Us' by Norman Spinrad should have in the other case also the canonical German title (although Spinrad didn't do his own translation). Or one story that I can think of by the editor in question, Ronald M. Hahn, was published first in Dutch, as I recall it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:08, 7 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for checking. I can live with the Dutch version as canonical (of course). It was the statement that the novel was written in German and later translated in Dutch that triggered me. I added a note to the (Dutch) title record about this.<br />
::There are more titles with a first publication in another language of course. One of the most extreme is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1160521 Caroline Oh! Caroline], written in Dutch, but the only known edition is in French. Anyway , thanks. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 12:33, 7 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Patric Bernauw vs. Patrick Bernauw ==<br />
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Hi Christian, you have a Patric Bernauw as writer of 'Abno', but I think it is [http://www.deboekenplank.nl/naslag/aut/b/bernauw_p.htm Patrick Bernauw] [http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Bernauw and here], and that get's verified [http://www.deboekenplank.nl/naslag/antho/ganymedes_6.htm here], can you please check it?<br />
: You are right, it's Patrick Bernauw. I entered this name from the contents page (where he is spelled Patric), but on the first page of the story it's Patrick. I will change it.<br />
:: I have one problem with the publisher(s) of the Ganymedes series of anthologies: I happen to own four issues of it, #1 & #2 are published by A. W. Bruna & Zoon, #6 is published by Bruna Pockethuis, but copyrighted to A. W. Bruna & Zoon (#7 is still to be determined by me). They differ in the ISBN, though: The first have 90-229-, #6 has 90-449-. Do they qualify as separate publishers or shall they be entered as one and the same? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:48, 8 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: I would say [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] is far better able to answer that question than me, but on forhand I would say yes. The (zwarte beertjes) series numbering is continued. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:20, 8 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: If I'm getting the question right: You don't have to standardise a Publisher name to create a series - the reason they are called "Publication series" is because we recognised that series will move publishers at times, e.g. Arrow and Hamlyn for Venture SF, Gollancz and Millennium for the Masterworks etc. If I'm getting the intention wrong, just ignore me and go on with your European expertise. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:47, 8 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Well, you asked me for my opinion. There are a few things I would like to say about this. First the publisher; I'm all for standardization, so i.m.o. it should be "Bruna" or "A. W. Bruna" but not both, and certainly without "en Zoon" or "Pockethuis" or any other addition (there are more, believe me), no matter how it's stated in the publications (variants could be mentioned in the notes). The only exception would be books published after 2010, when Bruna was taken over by WPG Uitgevers, and became an imprint.<br />
::::: Second, the Ganymedes series is, of course, a title series. I created the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30270 series], and added the three already existing editions to it. I'll verify them, and add the others (there are 11) sometime in the not too distant future, if someone else doesn't do it first. I also changed the publication series for #6 from "Bruna SF" to "Zwarte Beertjes". I hope you can agree with this. (by the way, can you actually read Dutch?) --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:18, 9 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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You two have absolutely the last say in this - and I also tend more to have one publisher instead of a lot in this case, I just wanted to ask you. And I started to learn Dutch two years ago by reading it (with Ganymedes #6 by the way, because short stories don't require as much standing as a novel for beginners). I still have to read it as if reading aloud, then many words become meaningful to me as a German. I also still have to look up quite a lot in the dictionary, though. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:39, 9 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm amazed :-). Sounds a bit like my learning Portugese. When I read it real slow, and search for the gibberish in a dictionary, I can understand most of the meaning. But I only do that on vacation, not really for fun. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, vacations are the time to read it. I liked 'Coriolis' by Gerben Hellinga very much, and learned that there is a sequel of sorts to it that never was published in German. Together with some good stories by various authors this was a major drive. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:23, 9 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Robinson ''Sixty Days and Counting'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm a few things about the data in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260795 this record]? Is the publisher given as "Harper" (a US imprint) or "HarperCollins"? Does it print the ISFDB-10 or ISFDB-13? Is the page count 504 or 512? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Just discovered that HarperCollins has used the "Harper" imprint in the UK as well, so that may be as stated. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:43, 10 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, it is stated ''Harper'' (over) An imprint of HarperCollins''Publishers'' on the copyright page. On spine and title page is only 'Harper'. The page count is 504 (with six unnumbered pages preceding the novel and two after it). This edition only prints the ISBN-13. Thanks for the task. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:08, 11 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Deutsche Nationalbibliothek ==<br />
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Thanks for the pointer. It looks as though it would be easy to add an "Other Sites" link to them, e.g.<br> [[Image:Other Sites.jpg]]<br><br />
Would this be useful? If so, can you check their conditions to see if ISBN-10 or ISBN-13 links are preferred, and if there are any restrictions on use we should be aware of? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've been testing it out, and think it shows that {{P|PLSMWLTBQH2011|Plasmawelt}} should have a "978" ISBN-13 prefix rather than a "979" one? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:11, 7 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I think that both ISBNs are possible (some authors have 'links' from the German wikipedia), although it may be that older books only have a 'link' provided through ISBN-10. And yes, such an "Other Sites" link would be quite useful. <br><br />
:: The 978 prefix is the right one. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: OK, I've submitted the "Deutsche Nationalbibliothek" link for consideration, when Ahasuerus gets some time to test it. I did try and find a Dutch equivalent to help some other editors, and came across [http://search.theeuropeanlibrary.org/portal/en/index.html The European Library] - which seems to be a general site more suited to Europeans than Worldcat is. Have you come across this before? It seems quite useful (getting us to British Library prices for instance), although I'm not really qualified to test much else out. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:22, 9 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Njet, I haven't seen that one before, but in afterthought it seems quite logical for the EU to build a site like that. It should give us really some backup for research. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== PR #2600 ==<br />
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Is Christian Montillon interviewing his own pseudonym in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352967 this issue]? If so, we have to give the interviewee as the canonical author's name. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I looked into the magazine and yes, Montillon interviews himself, i. e. his real self (because Montillon is the pseudonym). But it would be totally misleading to make Dittert into the canonical name: All his genre fiction was published under Montillon. And this seemingly exception is none: the interviews in PR#2600 are all on work outside of the Perry Rhodan universe, and in this case even outside all fantastic genres. Dittert has published a juvenile mystery (the ??? should be or should have been quite popular in the US, too - were they also published as by Alfred Hitchcock?) and around this novel the interview revolves. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:33, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I don't think Michael is suggesting Dittert as the canonical name, that's fine. It's just that an interview of Christoph Dittert by Christian Montillon will only show up on Dittert's page, not Montillon's. Our current workaround is to make sure the ''interviewee'' is given as the canonical name, so in this case an interview of Christian Montillon by Christian Montillon will put things on the right page. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:56, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: Ah, yes, that makes some sense. I'll see to put it into this rightful meaning. And, as I just learned, the German ??? (Drei Fragezeichen = Three Question Marks) originated as the Three Investigators. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/cleanup.cgi Cleanup Script] that finds potential problems - "Interviews of Pseudonyms" is the fifth one. I don't know how often they are run, but they're often a nice mini-project when you're tired of other work. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It was Bill's cleanup script that brought this situation to my attention, and, yes, I meant that the interview record's interviewee be changed, not the canonical relationship between the two names. I go through all of the cleanup scripts about once a week. Maybe I'm the only one's whose doing it, because I find there are about 10-20 problems each week that I "cleanup". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:35, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Thanks, I'm glad someone ''does'' use them! I get very little feedback on software changes that mean ''more'' work rather than ''less'', even if it improves our data. And I'm happy to take requests for improvements or additions: Ahasuerus may not be so keen as he has to test them all, and he's overworked already. But I can also post mini-projects to wiki pages if desired: it just takes a fairly clear definition of what's needed. So for instance, if someone wants to work on "Meisterwerke der Science Fiction" publication series and has a list somewhere, I can knock up a quick page of publications that may or may not qualify. I suspect they're best left till we get the next round of language support improvements in, but if people want to do it the hard way in the meantime I'm happy to let them. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:02, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I'm barely proficient at English. No way I'm going to tackle a foreign-language series! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Aw, you wimp! I failed my "English Literature" exam while acing "English Language" (couldn't appreciate Jane Austen, still can't, even with added Zombies) - so apparently I can ''write'' but not ''read'' my native language. I didn't even attempt German, I took Latin and failed that instead. I did do three years of French at Junior School (very progressive!) and then another three at Secondary School which was so repetitive I lost interest. I have tried to learn a little French and German so that I can leave moderating such to the experts, as I'm never going to be one. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Guess I'm too old to learn another language. But my two years of high school Latin taught me more about English than any English grammar and composition course I ever took. And they've stood me well for the past forty years. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:19, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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On "Meisterwerke der Science Fiction": Yes, please! I have some (about 10) of them in my collection, but didn't start to collect them all, since I already had the most in English or German. The new bibliographies in 'Das Science Fiction Jahr' do not show the publication series anymore, so it remains a bit of guesswork. Alas, 'Perry Rhodan' seems to be more time-consuming than I thought before, so all other projects take so much more time. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:22, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: OK, I had a stab at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?874 Meisterwerke der Science Fiction] but I'm very suspicious of the Amazon data I used. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:04, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, but no: a first glance is very satisfactory. The publication dates at least do look very promising, since the series started at the turn of the millenium - and that is the first point of doubt for amazon data (but it seems they are not too reliable in that regard with older publications). The second point of doubt is the supplied cover image (also more for older pub.s), but I'll take a look while working through the series. Anyway, thanks a lot for supplying the data! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover image for PR #2507 ==<br />
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I see you've uploaded the cover for this issue twice: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:PR2507.jpg here] (without a license) and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:PR1DE2507.jpg this one] (with a license), both within minutes of each other. Did you intend on deleting the first one? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I have no idea (that is: no remembrance) how that could have happened, but I deleted the image without the licence tag. Thank you for finding this! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:21, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== PR #2502 ==<br />
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Are the two books reviewed in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?356368 this issue] SF-related? None of the four authors are in the database currently, and coming up as stray authors on one of the clean-up scripts. This can be corrected by adding the books to the database (if they're SF-related) and then linking the reviews to the new records. If the books are not SF-related (and not eligible for inclusion in the database), the reviews should be turned into essays. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:55, 13 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Better late, than never: I've done it (but had to look after my copy of the magazine because I weren't sure if one of the reviews in question was relevant). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 16 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Maximovic ==<br />
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Hello Christian. I found in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369022 Science Fiction Story Reader 3] that you record "Maximovic" with a acute accent. But here [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19790 Maximovic] is written without the accent. What is correct? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 19:23, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Rudolf! I decided for Maximović as canonical name so far, because most publications have this version. Another matter is how we treat his collection, because there he even is written Maximovič, another possible variant. I haven't found this spelling somewhere else so far, so I think it's a Suhrkamp thing. (But do we treat this as variant? What do you think?) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:36, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Hello Christian. I researched his name and found three variant spellings. In the publications from Moewig, Fischer, Suhrkamp and Ullstein he is written as Maximovič. The 'Encyclopedia of Science Fiction', the 'Lexikon der Sciecne Fiction Literatur', the 'Reclam Science Fiction Führer' and the Heyne-Anthologies spell him as Maximović. Wikipedia, other biographical internet-sites and also his own(!) SF-magazine PARSEK spell him only as Maximovic. It is difficult to decide, because every decision means a lot of changings and a lot of variant titles. If we want to have the most correct way then Maximović is canonical and all other spellings are variant titles. What do you think? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 14:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's perfect for me, let's do it this way. On PARSEK: I think about entering this magazine sometime in the future, but I don't know if there were two or three isues published (or even more?). I have the first two issues but have found the information that #3 was published, although only in an advertisement in SF Times; I have no hard evidence that this issue was published, do you? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:15, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::: OK. Let's start. I own also only the first two copies of PARSEK and never heard about a third one. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 16:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Clewiston-Test ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1355982 German language title record] should probably be merged with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2223 The Clewiston Test]? [[User:Fsfo|Fsfo]] 12:34, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:You're completely right about that. I guess it's one of those cases where you plan to do something and then there comes something focusing your mind in another direction. I'll do the merger, thanks for your open eyes! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:10, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet ohne Hoffnung ==<br />
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A little hint. I also own the anthology Planet ohne Hoffnung but this novella [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1359899 Planet ohne Hoffnung] is from Vonda McIntyre. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 17:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, this must have happened as I tried to unmerge the novella. This doesn't seem to be a good idea for contents of anthologies, collections etc. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:56, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Yes, there is a known bug in umerging content titles (as opposed to container titles). There is a fix awaiting testing but as you know Ahasuerus' time has been rather limited recently. And I'd like to see him test that before I submit "Unmerge foreign title" for consideration, I wouldn't want to propagate the same bug to a new feature. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thank you, Bill. I suspected that it wouldn't be possible, but still I had to try what would happen. I really am quite happy with the possiblities we do have right now! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Well, I'm really happy with recent changes but a bit frustrated that there aren't '''more'''! I'm working with a (potential) version of the software about 5 months ahead of what's currently live and can't wait to share the improvements. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Irrgarten des Todes ==<br />
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Can you have a look at {{T|1347231|Irrgarten des Todes }} please? I found one pub left behind on the English title, unmerged it and remerged it and am not sure which of the third(?) editions to keep. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 00:57, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you for finding this surplus publication! I deleted the one with less commentary and pumped up the page count from 223 to 224 pages, which should be the right number. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Jonathan Carroll story ==<br />
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Is the story on page 39 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361614 Phantastische Begegnungen] titled "A Lick of Time" or is that an English translation of the German title given in the book? And should we make it into a variant translation of the story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22644 this anthology] (page 103)? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I think it's better to state the given German titles instead of the English ones (it's on my todo list, but I'll check if these two stories are the same or not). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It's a German language record, but the title is in English, which is what prompted the question. I wasn't sure if you'd had a chance to change these records to the current standard. I was cleaning up Jonathan Carroll's bibliography and noticed the two similar titles. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:01, 19 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:They are one and the same (translated, that is). So I'll make it into an alternate title. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Foundation #93, A Celebration of British Science Fiction ==<br />
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Thanks for approving [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?370909 this submission], it was a bit of a toss-up between listing the publication as a magazine or a one-off book in the magazine 'series' as it has both ISBN and ISSN numbers. However one thing is bothering me (just a little) the more I think about it, namely that I entered the ISSN in the ISBN entry box. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#ISBN ISBN section] of the Edit Title Help page referring to magazines indicates it should be the ISBN there. It's a sad fact that any non-fiction publication with more than 15 long-winded academic titles is liable to scramble any editor's brain, so I'll fix it if you think it's necessary. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 19:54, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, this is a weird coincidence of book and magazine, but since it would otherwise disrupt the magazine series I'm all for keeping the continuity. Well, it'd be better though to enter the ISBN, just to have this vital information. <br />
:And for scrambled brains: that's exactly what I felt when I entered the few issues of 'Foundation' I own into the system (a few more are in the waiting line). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've got another 16 issues here staring at me from the shelf, all saying "Go on, I dare you..." [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 20:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I am tempted to say "Go on, I dare you...", but I'd have to say the same to myself and there's too much to do right now. I've scheduled this in my mind for February but since schedules are postponed with 99.9 % probability this doesn't mean that this will be the actual month. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Foundation is definitely worth recording, so go for it. I doubt we'll get Andy Sawyer submitting the data himself (although if he does, I'm willing to take his place looking after all those books in Liverpool!) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy ==<br />
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I've just saw that you renamed Heyne Science Fiction into Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy. But now we have two series with the same name. How could we merge them? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 20:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I hoped that it'd be possible to merge them (it is possible for publishers). I'll consult the help pages and/or someone with more knowledge. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's possible, but only by Ahasuerus (or Al von Ruff) at present. If such a merge is ''often'' desirable then I can develop the ability for Mods, but it would still require Ahasuerus to test and approve such. I suspect the European use of Publication Series might make it a lot more desirable, but I'm only English, so not very European. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, but that you are not so very European is only some temporary impression, I think. Just look at the interweavings between English, Latin, Dutch, French and German: some momentary disruptions can't shake the foundations! And even on the continent it's quite uncommon to rename a publication series every few years. Heyne is special in that they opened the door for fantasy in Germany but couldn't realize in the beginning that it'd be huge enough to sustain a series of its own, let alone a whole subgenre. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:35, 21 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: There were only 82 pubs involved, so I changed them manually while the weekly backup file was being generated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:47, 24 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Thank you very, very much for your effort! We promise to keep those tasks near to nul in the future. And if you need some support in the future, please let me know! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:48, 25 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Hello Ahasuerus! It was very kind of you that you helped us with our problem. But it was a little embarrassing for me that you changed this pubs manually. Of course we would have made this work for you! [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:36, 26 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I hope you two continue working well together - we're rather relying on the newer mods to suggest the even-newer ones, us older ones aren't necessarily any better when it comes to non-English languages. (In fact, I don't think I'm actually older than more than one of you anyway, and I'm certainly less language-proficient.) Keep up the good work! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:40, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Interior art standards ==<br />
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The ISFDB standard is to enter frontispieces, maps, back cover art, and other interior art records as "TITLE OF WORK (type of interior art)". So the frontispiece in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?370245 this record] would be "Der Zeiter (frontispiece)" and the back cover art would be "Der Zeiter (back cover)". I'm not sure if this standard is a stated policy but a quick search will reveal this is the de facto standard. The same standard would apply to the interior art records in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362553 this pub], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?372011 this pub], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362487 this one]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:49, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: There's probably a bit of wiggle-room left - I have no idea what "frontispiece" or "back cover" are in '''German'''. But please do disambiguate titles, and help us explain the rules - which are a bit fluid while we adapt to multiple languages. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the input! I will change the denominations to the common standard. "Frontispiece" is very similar: "Frontispiz", but "back cover" would be something like "hinterer Umschlag". [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Mark van Oppen / Marvano ==<br />
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Hi Christan, you verified two pubs with illustrations as by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?155107 Mark van Oppen], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367871 Heyne Science Fiction Magazin, #1] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345787 Framstag Sam]. Nearly all his work (in the Netherlands) was published as by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?167698 Marvano], so I'm going to move the author data there, and make Mark van Oppen a pseudonym. Can you confirm that he was really credited as Mark van Oppen in those two pubs? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Willem. Yes, he is credited in both publications as Mark van Oppen, on the copyright pages. There are more illustrations by him upcoming in the near future: he did some more vignettes for Heyne Science Fiction Magazin and did the interior art for one edition of ''The Flying Sorcerers''. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I'll variant the existing titles. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 08:53, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== New German Mod? ==<br />
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Do you think Rudam (or any other German Editor, for that matter) has reached the level at which he could at least self-approve? I'm keen to get more non-English experts involved here, but I'm rather unqualified to judge their abilities. The first Mod for a different language is easy, they just have to be better than me, but when we have an ''expert'' in another language I bow to their superior knowledge. Which in this case means you. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:58, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the kind words! But there's still so much I have to learn: I wouldn't call me an expert, except perhaps in the pub.s I have (and even with those...). <br />
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:: I think there is ''nobody'' that understands the whole of ISFDB nowadays - not the founder, not the other bureaucrat, nor any moderator. And I speak as someone that's spent five years learning how to edit, moderate, and even program this stuff. You don't have to be perfect to be a moderator, just someone active, communicative, and getting far more edits ''right'' than wrong. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:53, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, I'd say Rudam has earned enough merits (and collected enough knowledge) to promote him to moderator, but the same holds for Dirk P. Broer, I'd say. What do you think? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:43, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Rudam strikes me as worthy, he's been around a long time and he rarely submits something I disagree with. Dirk I'm still a little ambivalent about - I see him submitting a lot of Author updates, but not much in the way of other types of edit. But maybe he's gone through his own collection and is doing useful but minor stuff. I'd like to see him push the boundaries a little more. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:53, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::: But I think it's very useful for us to have somebody who updates the author informations like he does. I haven't his discipline and am a bit sloppy in this regard. And he has understood the secrets of (for example) merging the right things and has shown on the whole a responsible editor's soul, as I have seen in the edits I moderated. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:38, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Oh, it's certainly useful - and he's already [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?2 Number 3 in the Author updating]. But '''over half''' his edits are Author updates and I'm not seeing many other types of edit now. If he's finished his own collection and is looking for other things to do, that's fine - but I think he's claimed over 3000 SF pubs but has verified less than 2000, so might still have some primary work still to do? I'd like to catch him before he gets bored with us though. Moderators never get bored, they just get stressed. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:31, 19 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Oh, yes! This rings a bell, reminding me of postponing tasks for other, more pressing tasks. Well, OK, let's start with Rudam to sustain our ranks. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:44, 19 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Do you want to ask him if he's willing, or shall I? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:45, 19 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: I'll do it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:48, 19 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover images for non-genre magazines ==<br />
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I believe you may have accepted the submission adding the cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?374078 this record]. If so, please look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:WmFS1#Cover_images_for_non-genre_magazines the message] I left on the editor's talk page. If not, never mind. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:35, 20 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, I accepted this submission - didn't know of this policy, but won't happen again (at least for the cases I know to differentiate). But in any case I'll be more careful. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Eine Handvoll Venus und ehrbare Kaufleute ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366618 This record] shows up on the Stray Authors list because the authors credited on the pub record don't match the authors of its title record. Can you re-check the book to determine if the author credit is correct and, if so. unmerge it from the title record and make it a variant title? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?372582 This record] also showed up on the list, but it's not verified so I can't know who may have created it. Since it's from a different publisher, it may not have the same credit as yours. If you had nothing to do with the latter record, I will do some research to see how it's credited. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:58, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I created those publications in one session. In the first edition (Heyne) Kornbluth is credited with his full forename on the title page, whereas in the earlier edition from 1973 he is credited only with his initials - but it is essentially the same title (same translation). Would it be better to file another title? (Same question applies for the East German edition). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Dumb question, that last one. It's the only logical thing to do - so I'll do it. Thanks for the hint. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Variant of a variant ==<br />
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Can you take a look at the title record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1377902 Mutprobe in der Hensonröhre]. It's currently a variant of a variant title record. The only publication is in one of your verified pubs. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:15, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, sorry for that. I'll take a look on this matter and the one above. Thanks for finding this [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:50, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazine Editor ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I've just entered [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31027 Perry Rhodan NEO]. It was no problem to enter the publications and to make a fiction series. But I despair of developing a "Magazine Editor Series". How can I change the "container" of a publication and how can I make here [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?374995 Sternenstaub] a new "container", whom I've deleted? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Looks like Christian is not here today, I'll try to help. Only the first issue is lacking the editor record. You'll have to add this manually. Edit the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?374995 pub record], and add a content item (you can't choose "Editor", but essay is good enough for this step). After approving, you edit the item you just added, and change the type to "EDITOR". Next you go to the summary bibliography of one of the editors, under editing tools choose "show all titles" and merge the three 2011 "Perry Rhodan NEO" editor records (you can see the type there) any of the three titles is ok. Then you change the remaining title record to "Perry Rhodan NEO - 2011" and add a series name (you already used "Perry Rhodan NEO", so choose another name, like "Perry Rhodan NEO 1st Aufl." or something). After that things should be fine, and for following issues you only have to add the novels to the "Perry Rhodan NEO" series, and merge the new editor records with "Perry Rhodan NEO - 2011" (for 2012 you create a new record of course). More questions? Just ask. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: I really get it! Thanks Willem [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 22:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Looks very, very good. Thanks for entering this issues! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:02, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Many thanks from me too! If it wasn't for new Mods like you the rest of us would have burned out long ago. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 04:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::But no! We new editors are the lucky ones to get so much support from you much more experienced ones. It's this input on every level that keeps us going! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I can only agree you Christian! [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 19:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Ryszard Głowacki 's "Paroxysmus No. minus eins" ==<br />
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I was processing [[User:Zoltar]]'s submissions and saw that he was having trouble with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1261800 "Paroxysmus No. minus eins"], a German translation of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1384722 "Paroksyzm numer minus jeden"], which appeared in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347047 ''Heyne Science Fiction Jahresband 1990'']. It turns out that this anthology was originally entered using the old rules back when we used the original title record for translated short fiction, so this novella appeared as "Paroksyzm numer minus jeden" rather than as "Paroxysmus No. minus eins". Since Zoltar wanted to create a VT for the German title record, I have changed it to match the new rules and it now reads "Paroxysmus No. minus eins". I also changed the associated INTERIORART records, but didn't touch the rest of the stories. Hope everything is still OK! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:26, 4 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you! All your changes are perfect! I am currently at work to change the titles entered earlier, but haven't reached this anthology so far. Thank you for changing this novella: it's one less to change for me. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:53, 4 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Great, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Traum des Astronauten Jörg Weigand 1983 ==<br />
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Added cover for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252975 pub] [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 21:20, 14 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Lexikon der Science Fiction Literatur 1988 ==<br />
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Added cover for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334321 pub] [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 21:28, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for adding the two covers. Whereas I clean forgot to add the image for the Weigand collection my copy of the Lexikon looks (and is) much used. So I didn't want to add it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:25, 16 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Kuczka ==<br />
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Hi, you destroyed the data belonging to "Kuczka Péter"s author page. with your renaming all the Hungarian references disappeared from his page. On the other hand instead of renaming a pseudoname should be created for the English version of his name. But the main page should be the Hungarian one as "Kuczka Péter". The pseudoname should be "Peter Kuczka" if you have English translations from his works. Please try to revert somehow your modification and reestablish the destroyed Hungarian links.<br />
Thanks in advance. BR. [[User:GaborLajos|GaborLajos]] 10:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry, Gabor! My action had a grave effect I didn't intend! But the data isn't lost, take a look [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?378045 here]. I'll do my very best to restore the status quo in the course of this day! Again, sorry! I'm still not used to this convention. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:23, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Des Erdenmannes schwere Bürde ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:Rtrace#Earthman.27s Burden|this discussion]]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:13, 4 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Submission to change cover art credit ==<br />
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I was holding a submission that wanted to change the cover art credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252975 this record] from Tim White to Don Maitz, and left a note on the submitter's page. It's been a couple of days and I've not heard back from her, but I'm pretty sure the cover is by Don Maitz. It's identical to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188993 this book's cover]. I'm going to remove the hold and let you, as the primary verifier of the record, handle it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you! Tim White is in fact credited for the art, but when I look again at it, it surely looks more as to be in Maitz' vein. So I'll change it and add a note. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Request ==<br />
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Hi Christian. I've just asked Bluesman [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Bluesman#inquisitive], but he can't help me. Can you content my curiosity? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 20:02, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Rudolf. I'm sorry, but I didn't add either notes, nor the pub., nor cover image. (I did use this sort of style for my notes only for the last two months or so.) Still, it should be possible to sustain the month of publication from 'Lexikon der Science Fiction Literatur 2' (1980), as there were 12 books published in 1963 in this pub. series and this book was the tenth. Maybe someone just counted. (I used this for the books by Franke, I think, and there is the remote possibility that I did this for this book also, but this would have been at the beginning of my ISFDB stunt and I honestly don't remember). Feel free to comment or change. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: It probably remains a mystery. I'll check the other titles of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?551 series], if another title has a month of publication. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 19:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet Story title change submissions ==<br />
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It looks like the "Planet Story" interiorart title change submissions would affect your verified {{P|380927|Planeten-Story}}, so I left them for you. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, Marty! The changes are not quite what I'd intend. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:40, 29 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Das neue Atlantis' ==<br />
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Just a note that your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340309 ''Das neue Atlantis''] has been upgraded to the new data entry standard for translations. Hopefully the inhabitants suffered minimal damage during the transition process :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:41, 2 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you very much, it's perfect! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:28, 15 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Kornbluth ==<br />
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Hi Christian! I've noticed, that you named the author of this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366618 Eine Handvoll Venus und ehrbare Kaufleute] as ''Cyril M. Kornbluth'', but on the cover he is spelled as ''C. M. Kornbluth''. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 16:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right, there's a difference regarding cover and title page, see also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eine_Handvoll_Venus_und_ehrbare_Kaufleute this item]. But as I understand the rules, we go for the title page rather than covers; quite often Herbert W. Franke is named only H. W. Franke on the cover of his pub.s, but (nearly) always with his full name on title page. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:27, 15 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks for the advice! [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 16:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Heyne Science Fiction Jahresband 1980 ==<br />
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Uploaded new cover art for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338535 pub]. [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 13:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:27, 15 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== All About Emily ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Thanks for adding the interior art and note(s) to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364366 All About Emily]. I had to change the pagecount back from 97 to 96 however. We use the last printed pagenumber for the pagecount (unless there's text on following unnumbered pages). In this pub, the text ends on page 96, and there's an illustration on the unnumbered page 97. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, Willem! Good that you are back and getting healthier!<br />
:I learned about the correct way of entering the page count only quite recently, so thanks for correcting my fault. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:30, 15 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== SF international I ==<br />
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When you have a few minutes, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360575 ''SF international I''] to make sure that all stories have been successfully transitioned to the new standard for translations? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Will do, as soon as I find the book. I'm at work to enter the rest of Franke's books, so thanks for your effort to make his bibliography that more useful. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thankfully, it still (or again?) lay around. You did a perfect job finding out about Krzysztof Boruń's story first German publication (at least I don't remember knowing about that). Thank you very much: it's very encouraging to have such support! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:45, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! I was poking around the Web looking for more information about the stories in ''SF international I'' and found [http://www.spittel.de/sf/ this site about SF in DDR]. I have added it to the [[Sources of Bibliographic Information]] page since it seems useful. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, the SF in the GDR was quite interesting, even a sort of refuge for critics of society. Regretfully, I don't have a greater collection of it - but the site you found will be useful. Thanks for finding and adding it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sternträumer ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I've just changed the language in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361869 Sternträumer] and changed in this context your verfied pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362117 Sternträumer] too. Can you please check, wether have I caused any damage? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 13:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Rudolf! Thank you very much for your effort! Looks perfect to me, no damage done :-). There's obviously still a bit work to do on older submissions. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Blocking spammers ==<br />
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Thanks for keeping an eye out for the recent spamming attacks, and blocking the users. It's also better to delete the talk page rather than "undo" it. Deleting the page obliterates all traces of the ID they created. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:12, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Will keep my eyes open in the future, too. I guess there's no way to hinder any such attacks - other than to have a moderator on duty and keeping an controlling eye on new guests? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
::There must have been earlier precautions for which this particular spammer may have found a way around. This latest series of attacks appears to be from one source as all of the user names have a similar pattern. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]<br />
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== Periods in titles ==<br />
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As a result of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#German_Books our discussion], I'm looking through the ISFDB for titles and publications where periods appear as separators between a main title and a sub-title. This happens in some of the books you have verified (apparently, some older verifications). Consequently, I have changed the periods to commas in these books. If I am mistaken about this, and the period is used differently (i.e. the period really does exist in the title printed on the book), please let me know and I will revert those changes. The books I've found so far are:<br />
<ul><li>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352918 Science Fiction: Five Stories = Science Fiction: Fünf Geschichten]<br />
<li>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?341292 Perry Rhodan Jubiläumsband zum 1000: Roman der weltberühmten SF-Serie]<br />
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(I may add more to this list as I complete my search.) Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:03, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for finding those two, although in the latter case the period was correct (1000. meaning thousandth). I will change it back. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== New Worlds 3 ==<br />
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Hi, could you please check the title of story by Stross and Ings on page 105 in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23795 this] verified pub. I believe it should be "Tarkovsky's Cut" rather than "Tolkowsky's Cut". Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 04:20, 9 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
:Hi, I checked and it still stays as "Tolkowsky's Cut" (on contents page and title page of the story). What source told you otherwise? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Homepages of both authors claim it as "Tarkovsky's Cut" (which makes sense). Now I am intrigued! And need to read tit! Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 00:51, 10 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
::In fact, Stross has it [http://www.antipope.org/charlie/fiction/cut.html available] on his homepage as "Tarkovsky's Cut". Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 00:56, 10 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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== Fanzines vs. Magazines ==<br />
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You rejected a couple of my submissions that tried to merge fanzines from different years, based on the way magazines are usually treated in the data base. I've discussed how fanzines differ from magazines with at least two other moderators. Fanzines seldom meet consistent production schedules; some will come out 6 times one year, then only once the next. Some (REH: Two-Gun Raconteur http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31617 as one example)skip many years. Many of them only publish for a few years in any case. Since the purpose of gathering magazines into annual bundles is to reduce clutter on the editor's page, that strategy may not be useful for many fanzines. Look, for another example, at George Scithers' page http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?840. "Weird Tales" is gathered by year as usual, but "Amra", his earlier fanzine, is grouped differently. There are some fanzines where annual grouping makes sense (The Fantasy Fan http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28910, for example, which maintained a regular schedule), but many more will not. I'm not at all sure that collecting the fanzines whose merges you rejected in any kind of grouping makes much sense -- neither editor has a lot on his summary page. But I have no objection is someone else wants to group them. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:06, 9 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but I still do believe that fanzines should be in most ways treated as a magazine: there are too many magazines that are produced on a non-commercial basis (like fanzines) or fanzines that look (and are) like magazines. Not to speak of fanzines making the step towards a magazine (like Locus). There may be differences between the two, but I don't think that the way our publication order is organized should be one of them. You may want to make it into an issue for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions Rules and standards], though. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 21:51, 9 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Blumen wachsen im Himmel", by Hellmuth Lange ==<br />
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You had [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385916 this book] entered with a publisher of "Minerva". Unfortunately, that put it in with an [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1595 English publishing company]. To disambiguate this publisher, I changed its name to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?42162 Minerva (Germany)]. The WorldCat record lists it as from "Minerva-Verl.", and so I wonder if a better disambiguation might be "Minerva-Verlag", but I'll leave that for you to decide. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks for changing a misleading entry. Minerva (Germany) is just fine. 'Verlag' gets no mention with other publishing houses, too. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:07, 26 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Down to a Sunless Sea" ==<br />
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Somehow Genevieve Linebarger is solely credited as the author of the story in its [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61397 original appearance]. I just pulled out my copy of that issue and she's not mentioned once in the whole magazine. The record should be credited as it's stated in the publication: Cordwainer Smith. She's also solely credited in the three records for ''The Rediscovery of Man''. Unless her name is given as the author on the story's title page in that edition, Smith should be credited as the author. If no author is credited on the story's title page, ISFDB rules state the author of the collection should be credited as the author of its contents. Just because an editor credits her as the author in his introductory note doesn't mean the ISFDB record should. You can always do a variant to give her credit as the sole author (which it appears someone already has.) There are also three other records which give her printed credit: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?148491 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?305179 here] (both unverified records) and another one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338291 here]. The last one is verified by Hauck, and I'll leave a note on his page to ask him how the story is credited in that collection. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:46, 5 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:The fact - and we do try to give facts, don't we? - is that Cordwainer Smith (P. M. Linebarger) had nothing to do with writing this piece, it was a matter of convenience to publish it under his name. I've put a bibliographical note on his summary page and it'd be nicer if it wouldn't be as hidden as it is, but I've found no reasonable better way. <br />
:It is not ''an'' editor but ''the'' editor of the complete short fiction of Smith who stated this.<br />
:The right thing to do - for that shortfiction - would be to make Cordwainer Smith into a pseudonym of Genevieve Linebarger. But would that be what we'd want in the overall picture? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, time is running out in front of my upcoming vacation. I tried to fix the problems you had in varianting the appearances in MFSF and other pub.s. - they all should look better. In fact, I don't know what exactly went wrong with my varianting; it worked well with some publications, for example Terry Carr's 'Best Science Fiction of the Year', 'The Rediscovery of Man' and non-English ones. Why it didn't work out with others still puzzles me (and it seems I checked only those and not all appearances - sorry for that). It still remains to determine if there's a pseudonym to be set up. I trust in your decision and I hope you can live with my changes. Read you in August! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:46, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::The point I was trying to make had nothing to do with who wrote the story, just as long as the record reflects the way it was credited in the publication. If Genevieve Linebarger's name appears under the story I have no argument with the record showing her as the credited author. But I know for a fact that she was not credited for the story's F&SF publication, and that had to be changed. And, no, we don't have to make Cordwainer Smith into a pseudonym for Genevieve Linebarger. If he didn't write the story then it shouldn't appear on his summary page. BTW, "the" editor of the collection makes him "an" editor of the work, along with several other editors who have reprinted it, no matter how you look at. "The" ''editor'' of the work was most likely Edward L. Ferman who first published it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Back cover for Di Filippo's ''After the Collapse'' ==<br />
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You'll need to add a license tag to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:FilippoAfterCollapse.JPG this image file]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:51, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Marsprojekt_without_dj.JPG this file], [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Scan10003.JPG this one] and several author photographs which use a different license than cover art. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== License for author photographs ==<br />
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I've discovered to my surprise that we do have a license to attach to photographs of authors. Here's a link to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Author_Image_Data the template]. I have applied it to image you uploaded for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Johanna_Sinisalo.jpg Jihanna Sinisalo]. When you get a chance, please replace any of the "unknown" parameters with any that you know. This may not protect us if the image is challenged by the photographer, but at least it will show an attempt of trying not to violate copyrights. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:09, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I've done the same for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:DenisScheck.jpg Denis Scheck]. The data will have to be updated. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:19, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Also added a license to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Doris_lessing.jpg Doris Lessing]. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Michael-Weisser.jpg Michael Weisser], [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Heinlein-face-1-.jpg Robert A. Heinlein] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Oliverscholl.jpg Oliver Scholl]. Each of these will have to updated to show the source and other data that I've entered as "unknown". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:35, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, thank you for adding these templates! I didn't think that we do need a licence tag for this author photos: They all are from ''wikimedia commons'' & free of copyright for use. Only in the case of Denis Scheck the photographer liked to be mentioned. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:56, 18 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for adding the source. We ''do'' need a licence for photographs, even more so than for cover art. We can always claim fair use for cover art because we're using it as a visual representation of the work. That can't be as easily claimed when it comes to photographs, which is almost always the exclusive property of the photographer and our fair use claim is very tenuous ("visual identification" of the individual). By getting permission of the photographer, or only posting photographs that have been released under a Creative Commons attribution (like those on Wikimedia Commons), we're protected from claims of copyright infringement. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== 2312 ==<br />
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I uploaded a better resolution scan and added a few more notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?351053 2312]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:16, 26 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganymedes ==<br />
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Added to the notes and uploaded a cover scan for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360813 Ganymedes 1] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361907 Ganymedes 2]. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 08:45, 2 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Deus Irae ==<br />
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Angus McKie's thus far tentative credit for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?230793 Deus Irae] is proven correct at [http://www.wow-art.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1331138412 this on-line gallery]. I've changed the Note to reflect this. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 12:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you very much! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:58, 29 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Untitled Fragment ==<br />
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You rejected my submission to remove "ss" from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?534297 Untitled Fragment ("Beneath the glare...")]. I've resubmitted the change. A fragment is not a story, it is not a short story, a novelette, a novella or a novel. Neither is a synopsis. Both are short fiction, though. Since it is a fragment, there is no way to tell how long the completed piece would have been if the author had completed it. The only way to categorize either a fragment or a synopsis that I can see is as shortfiction. This particular fragment was taken by Robert M. Price as the basis for a novelette he "finished" titled "Black Eons". But I don't see that the fragment should be called a novelette, it clearly is not. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:20, 2 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:The sole definition for SHORTFICTION types is the length in words. Take a look at the Help screen for editing. There is stated: ''The length of the item in words. (...). The options are:''<br />
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:'''sf - Shortfiction - This is the default story length for shortfiction and means the length is not defined.'''<br />
:'''ss - Shortstory - A work whose length is less than or equal to 7,500 words. (Roughly, 20 or fewer pages in a book.)'''<br />
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:That means that shortfiction is only an option if we don't know the length of the SHORTFICTION, so I have put your submission on hold. You may bring this up on a discussion page, but even if the day comes when we know the length of the complete piece the fragment would be made into a variant title and still have its length as a short story. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:31, 2 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry, I have to agree with Bob here. Even if it's not spelled out in the rules, it has been a defacto standard ever since I can remember: all excerpts are entered as SHORTFICTION without a length designation. Perhaps it should be codified, but a discussion on the rules page will make it clear which moderators follow this unwritten standard. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:52, 2 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::: I agree with Michael - the defacto standard for excerpts has been "sf" for quite a while. We do need to codify some other (mis?)uses of the length field at some point (think Novelizations, Juvenile books, Omnibuses) and it would be possible to add excerpt as a length option. But we probably want to clarify the relationships between titles a bit more clearly, so that we can cover "expansion of", "abridgement of", "excerpt from", etc. Let Ahauserus catch up on his sleep and coding backlog and we might start fixing these things. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:12, 2 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ok, I didn't know about this standard, so I'll approve of your sub., Bob. Sorry for the inconvenience! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:19, 2 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A duplicate of ''Fugue for a Darkening Island'' ==<br />
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Christian, Michael believes we have created duplicate verified records for Chris Priest's ''Fugue for a Darkening Island'' ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385931 mine], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345292 yours]). A couple of differences: mine's a tp (correct), yours is a pb; mine has a foreword running to "ix" pages, yours to "x" pages (in my copy the supposed 10th page is blank). The notes are obviously different; yours is more comprehensive. Could you check your copy with an eye to deleting either of them? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 07:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Do you think the notes for 'my' publication could be pasted into 'yours'? If so, I'd delete mine and verify yours. The pb could have been there from the start - without me entering it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Done now. Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385931 the remaining pub], if you want to do a P2. Cheers! [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 05:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Tage sind gezählt ==<br />
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Hi Christian, where necessary I added the German titles to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362868 this pub], and varianted them to the Dutch originals. Please check for mistakes, even copy-paste can't always be perfect. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, Willem! All seems quite perfect! I deletd the now superfluous list of German titles. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:56, 10 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Hönne / Gebrüder Zimmermann ==<br />
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Regarding our discussion about [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#.22Raubvogel_der_Sterne.22.2C_by_Marion_Zimmer_Bradley Raubvogel der Sterne] on Willem's talk page, you mentioned that "Hönne(-Verlag) was an imprint of Gebrüder Zimmermann". I checked my book, and Gebrüder Zimmermann <em>was listed</em> on the copyright page, so I changed the "publisher" to the standard "imprint / publisher" format. We had three other books listed under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?40082 Hönne], none of which were verified, so I changed them to the same format. (And added a publisher link to the Gebrüder Zimmermann web page.) Thanks again for the help! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you for the additional information! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''What If Our World Is Their Heaven?'' ==<br />
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Christian, I've added a Canadian cover price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310338 this verified pub], but can you please check your US cover price? My copy is $14.95, 1st printing. Do you perhaps have a later printing with a different price? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 21:00, 26 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you, Pete! That was completely my fault: not really taking a look at the copyright page. I have changed my verified pub accordingly and already cloned a new pub for the first printing. Please take a look at the notes, especially at the printing statement. Thanks for finding this.<br />
:From one Dickhead to another: any chance that you would attend [http://www.philipkdickconferencedortmund.com/ this conference]? I think I'll go, at least for the weekend. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks, the Note was fine except for the Canadian cover price.<br />
::Re. the PKD conference, I'm not sure yet but it's possible I may be around. I'm certainly interested in attending, but is it actually a free conference? The registration form says they won't take a registration fee from attendants, and I couldn't see a price anywhere. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 19:49, 27 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::Well, it certainly looks like they won't take any fee. I think there'll be more readers of Dick attending than they do expect. It'd be nice to see you, or any other contributor. Please take also a look on my answer to Michael's suggestion: your input is wanted. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::A question for you guys: is there a sufficient amount of contributions by PKD for him to be co-credited? This title does not appear on his summary page, and it seems strange that only the editors are credited, if at least some or most of the wordage comes out of brain of PKD. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:02, 27 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::You are right, Michael. The question remains how to enter the conversations - as one loooong interview or would it be better to enter the sections that are on different themes as separate interviews? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::A book-length nonfiction work (as opposed to a nonfiction collection) doesn't have contents, except for introductions. We don't create a content record for the main body of the work. This is similar to a novel record's "content" being the novel itself. In this case, it appears that the interview '''is''' the work, regardless of how the editors broke it up into sections, like a novel broken into chapters. If you feel PKD should be credited, it would have to go into the author field of both the pub record and its title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:15, 28 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Ok, I added Dick as co-author in title and the three known publications.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Sorry for getting back to you late – I see you've just made the edits. Yes, it's definitely credit-worthy: the majority of everything that's said in the book is by Dick. And I remember thinking, years ago when reading it, that Gwen Lee appeared to know nothing about him when she interviewed him! Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 09:49, 29 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Das galaktische Imperium by Isaac Asimov ==<br />
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You've helped me out in the past when it came to German editions of books that I own. So here goes. I would like to enter this volume but I'm unsure as to what on this book I should enter. <br />
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'''So here's what I see on the copyright page:'''<br />
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•Heyne Allgemeine Reihe Nr. 01/6607 (Repeated on the back-cover-MLB)<br />
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•Deutsche Übersetzung von Heinz Nagel<br />
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•Deutsche Ünschlagbild schuf Jim Harris (Book editor? Cover artist?-MLB)<br />
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•Redaktion: Wolfgang Jeschke (Translater?-MLB)<br />
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•Copyright 1985 der deutschen Übersetzung<br />
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•Printed in Germany 1990 (So what edition would this be? Do German books have numberlines?-MLB)<br />
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•Umschlaggestaltung: Atelier Ingrid Schütz, München<br />
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•Gesamtherstellung: Presse-Druck Augsburg<br />
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'''So here's what I see on the title page:'''<br />
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•Isaac Asimov: Das galaktische Imperium: Roman (This is also on the book's cover, but "Roman" is left off the title on the book's spine.-MLB)<br />
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•Deutsche Erstausgabe (Also found on the back-cover. "German translation"?-MLB)<br />
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•Wilhelm Heyne Verlag. (Heyne Books?-MLB)<br />
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'''So here's what I see on the contents page:'''<br />
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•Five parts: Erster Teil: Aurora, Zweiter Teil: Solaria, Dritter Teil: Baley's Welt, Vierter Teil: Aurora and Fünter Teil: Erde. I really don't need a translation, but, does "Teil" mean "Part", as in Erster Part/First Part: Aurora?<br />
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'''Here's what I see on the back cover:'''<br />
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•DM +014.80 (Deutchmarks?, and if so, what is the symbol for a Deutchmark?-MLB)<br />
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•Ein Heyne-Buch<br />
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•T 3-59-30<br />
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•1480 (This is on the spine over the Heyne banner. Is this the 1480th Heyne book, or book in this series? Although I suspect that this is '''not''' the 1480th book in Asimov's Empire and Robot series.-MLB)<br />
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Thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:16, 6 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I forgot, I posted some images of this publication here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B000MCKCHM/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_all. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 11:04, 7 October 2012 (UTC)MLB<br />
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:: Hello MLB! Christian seems to be on vacation and I own this book too. I'll try to answer your questions in ''italics'', who are relevant for entering the pub.<br />
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:Heyne Allgemeine Reihe Nr. 01/6607 (Repeated on the back-cover-MLB) ''(pub series: Heyne Allgemeine Reihe and the pub series number is 6607)''<br />
:Deutsche Übersetzung von Heinz Nagel ''(German translation by Heinz Nagel)''<br />
:Deutsche Ünschlagbild schuf Jim Harris (Book editor? Cover artist?-MLB) ''(Cover artist is Jim Harris)''<br />
:Redaktion: Wolfgang Jeschke (Translater?-MLB) ''(the editor is Wolfgang Jeschke)''<br />
:Copyright 1985 der deutschen Übersetzung ''(copyright year of the first german translation)''<br />
:Printed in Germany 1990 (So what edition would this be? Do German books have numberlines?-MLB) ''(year of the printing ,no numberline in german books, according to Deutsche Nationalbibliothek it's the fifth printing "5. Aufl.")'' [[https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm;jsessionid=1DF5E33D5D08D3322D5616345509359A.prod-worker5?query=Das+galaktische+Imperium+1990&method=simpleSearch]]<br />
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:Isaac Asimov: Das galaktische Imperium: Roman (This is also on the book's cover, but "Roman" is left off the title on the book's spine.-MLB) ''("Roman" is an explantion that this book is a novel)''<br />
:Deutsche Erstausgabe (Also found on the back-cover. "German translation"?-MLB) ''(First german edition)''<br />
:Wilhelm Heyne Verlag. (Heyne Books?-MLB) ''(publisher: Heyne)''<br />
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:Five parts: Erster Teil: Aurora, Zweiter Teil: Solaria, Dritter Teil: Baley's Welt, Vierter Teil: Aurora and Fünter Teil: Erde. I really don't need a translation, but, does "Teil" mean "Part", as in Erster Part/First Part: Aurora? ''(you've translated it correctly)''<br />
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:DM +014.80 (Deutchmarks?, and if so, what is the symbol for a Deutchmark?-MLB) ''(It's the price: DM 14.80)''<br />
:1480 (This is on the spine over the Heyne banner. Is this the 1480th Heyne book, or book in this series? Although I suspect that this is '''not''' the 1480th book in Asimov's Empire and Robot series.-MLB) ''(It's the price again)''<br />
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::I hope I could help as well. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:08, 8 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thank you for helping out, Rudolf! I'm back from my vacation and may help from now on any questions I'm able to help. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Neue Adam - S. G. Weinbaum ==<br />
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Hi, do you perhaps heve access to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?400296 this S. G. Weinbaum (according to the cover) title]? If so, can you check whether the title page states Stanley G. Weinbaum, as the corresponding OCLC number suggests? --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] already answered this, stating "on the front cover is stated "S. G. Weinbaum", but on the title page and the spine is stated "Stanley G. Weinbaum". So no need to take further action for you. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:29, 15 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Eclipse One ==<br />
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Added notes to {{P|258398|Eclipse One}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Photo of Kir Bulychev ==<br />
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I added the proper image license to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Kir_Bulychev_1997-1-.jpg this image file]. ISFDB rules require that all images uploaded to the ISFDB server have a license tag. Please update the record to supply the missing data (remove as many of the "unknown"s as possible). If you have a question about how to add image licenses to files, just ask. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Will add the information. Thanks for adding the template! In fact, I still haven't figured out how to add this thing, so help would be welcome. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:53, 3 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Unlike the automatic creation of image licenses that occur when you do a cover image upload using the "Upload Cover Scan" link on a publication record, all other image licenses have to be manually added to the file. After you've uploaded the image to the server go back to its wiki page and edit the page. You should add the template provided on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Author_Image_Data this page] for Author images. Here is the raw template:<br />
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<nowiki>{{Author Image Data</nowiki> <br /><br />
|Name=<Name of author> (person shown in picture) <br /><br />
|Photographer=<Person who took the picture> <br /><br />
|Source=<where did we get the image from> <br /><br />
|Publication=<Where and when was this image published> <br /><br />
|Portion=<How much of the image was used, if not the whole> <br /><br />
|Replaceable=<Why this image can not be replaced by a freely licensed image> (example: "The person is dead.") <br /><br />
|LowRes=<YesOrNo> <br /><br />
<nowiki>}}</nowiki> <br /><br />
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::After adding this template into the edit box, you replace the info in the paramater fields with the proper data, that is everything inside the angle brackets (removing the brackets as well). An example:<br />
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<nowiki>{{Author Image Data </nowiki> <br><br />
|Name=John Smith<br><br />
|Photographer=Philip Smith<br><br />
|Source=Snagged from the author's website: www.johnsmith.com<br><br />
|Publication=Not applicable <br><br />
|Portion=Image cropped to just show the author's image. <br><br />
|Replaceable=Yes <br><br />
|LowRes=Yes <br><br />
<nowiki>}}</nowiki> <br /><br />
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::The example license will display like this:<br />
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{{Author Image Data <br />
|Name=John Smith<br />
|Photographer=Philip Smith<br />
|Source=Snagged from the author's website: www.johnsmith.com<br />
|Publication=Not applicable <br />
|Portion=Image cropped to just show the author's image. <br />
|Replaceable=Yes <br />
|LowRes=Yes <br />
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::Hope this helps. Let me know the next time you upload an author image if you need help. You have to be sure that the photograph isn't copyrighted by the author, publisher, or photographer. If it is, you have to get permission from the copyright holder and use [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:By_Permission this template.] If there is no copyright notice on the website, feel free to use the above template. I would be more careful about scanning photos from jacket covers which are very likely copyrighted even if the notice isn't present. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:45, 3 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A review of ''Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd'' ==<br />
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Christian, I'm entering data for issues of ''PKD Otaku'', some of which contain reprinted reviews. #12 has a review by Angus Taylor of Bruce Gillespie's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103335 ''Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd''], which it says first appeared in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293929 ''Foundation #10''], although that pub at the moment has no record of it. Can you please check? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 05:48, 5 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, I am in the process of entering the contents of this issue. The review is in this issue and should be in the ISFDB this evening at latest. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:30, 5 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Entered - though the issue still isn't complete: the review appears at the end and got pre-entered. I also merged the two reviews. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thanks very much. :) [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 09:24, 5 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Submissions to update records for ''Hunters of Gor'' ==<br />
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You accepted ten submissions on 2012-11-06 at 14:37 to update records of this title. There's no way of knowing what these submissions actually updated, but looking at the records it appears that publication dates were added to undated reprints of the title. It's possible that these may very well have been correctly dated, and the submissions may have been proper, but none of them show the source of the data. The editor who made the submission has had difficulty in understanding the need to provide a source for her updates. She's also had problems with responding to messages left on her talk page. One of these updates was for a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282235 verified record] for which she left a message on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dragoondelight the verifier's user page]. It was this improperly posted message that brought the situation to my attention. It is not ISFDB policy to enter "rough" publication dates based on unsourced data. When handling this editor's submissions, I have found it best to be even more careful than I would with other editors. Thanks for understanding. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:24, 7 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:You are right: I hoped that the editor would do as proposed, that is: update the records. If you do think it is better to be more careful then I will be in the future. Thanks for keeping eyes open! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Much appreciated. I'd missed the message you left her [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Cover_art_credit_and_publication_dates here] (it was in the body of another message I'd left earlier.) I'll let the other primary verifiers handle the changes to their records, especially Marc Kupper who is very particular when it comes to DAW Books and his verified records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:57, 7 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to book dealer listings ==<br />
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When you get a chance please take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Die_Welt_der_zwei_Monde this discussion] concerning the linked source for German editions of Edmund Cooper titles that Dirk submitted. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:54, 8 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Nova, #1" ==<br />
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Would it be safe to assume that the language of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1361828 Cartoon: no caption (Nova 1)] is German rather than English? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, of course! I have changed it accordingly. I must have switched it to English in a dark moment when I thought all untitled interior art should have English as language, in case they were or possibly would be published in English. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Hauptmann & Kompanie vs Hauptmann und Kompanie ==<br />
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Hi, did you know that you have verified both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?169796 Hauptmann und Kompanie Werbeagentur] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161873 Hauptmann & Kompanie Werbeagentur] as cover artist?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Dirk. Thank you very much for catching this one: I can't say if there was a change in crediting by Heyne or if it was my fault, since two of the books are packed away. But I'll change the lonely one. Thank you again! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Schlüssel zur anderen Welt" ==<br />
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Could the above be translated as 'Ring Around the Sun'? I ask because Tuck has a title ''Ring um die Sonne'' for a '62 edition by Zimmermann but under the same title has a '64 Moewig edition in the Terra series #329. The only record I can find for that series number has the title as in the posting header, as by Simak. But there are at least four Simak titles from Terra, see [[http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=simak+moewig&qt=results_page here]] not all of which I can match to English titles. Any help would be appreciated. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 19:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, yes and no. No, because it would be literally translated as 'Key to the Other World'. But yes, my bibliography of Simak's german publications - part of 'Bibliographisches Lexikon der utopisch-phantastischen Literatur' - says that it is a translation of 'Ring Around the Sun' and is its second german edition: it even states the translation as being the same (as by Heinz Zwack) and it is Terra #329. Hope that helps. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:32, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Excellent! I'll create the second [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404385 record/Variant]]. Much thanks! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 16:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::: On the OCLC page linked, there are three I haven't made records of. Terra #523 is mentioned by Tuck as containing three Simak stories, but he gives only the English titles and doesn't say if '''only''' Simak stories are in the edition. #269 ''Der Mond-Prospektor'' is maybe a translation of Cosmic Engineers?? And Terra-Nova #28 might be a translation of the novelette ''Physician to the Universe'' or another short collection? Neither of the latter two is mentioned by Tuck. Thanks! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 17:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Well, #523 has the title ''Nacht über dem Mars'' and does indeed contain three shortfictions by Simak: ''Physician . . .'' translated as ''Ärzte des Universums'', ''Skirmish'' translated as ''Vorpostengefecht'', and ''Seven Came Back'' translated as ''Nacht über dem Mars''. My bibliography has this as original collection (I even do own this one, but I am still in the process of determining the relatively exact date of publication, this is why I haven't verified it yet). <br />
:::::Tuck and OCLC give 1967; [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404404 entered]]<br />
:::: Correct, but as there were occasionally previews preceding the fiction content that linked the Terra digests to the 'Perry Rhodan' digests I hope to determine at least the month (or even the day), because for this latter magazine we have the pub. dates - I just haven't found the preview suggesting the dates for #523.<br />
:::: ''Der Mond-Prospektor'' is a translation of ''The Trouble with Tycho''.<br />
:::::Wouldn't have thought of that one! [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404405 entered]]<br />
:::: Probably it is because Tycho is a crater on the moon - you really have to think around some bendings to catch it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: My bibliography has #28 of Terra Nova as a selection from ''Worlds without End'', containing two shortfictions: ''Worlds without End'' translated as ''Die Gilde der Träumer'' (which is also the title of the digest), and ''Full Cycle'' translated as ''Die fliegenden Camps''.<br />
:::::My German really stinks .... lolol! I was sure 'Träumer' was physician ... ah, well. [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404406 entered]]<br />
:::::: 'Träumer' would be 'Dreamer'; both seem to share the same root (a few hundred years back).<br />
:::::::That was my first thought but couldn't find a Simak title with 'Dreamer' as a part, next idea was 'trauma', hence physician. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 21:26, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: I hope this will help. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:51, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Much thanks, will use the data provided to add the records and make the necessary variants. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:27, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone pub binding format ==<br />
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I am in the process of changing the stated binding format of "8½ in x 10¾ in" to "A4" in about two dozen issues of ''Interzone'' in order to conform with the other issues for the time period. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:38, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you! That is a worthy task and I appreciate it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:50, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== illustrations from Drawing Down the Moon ==<br />
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I'd added some notes to Hand in With Fairy Grace, And for Her Sake I Did Raise the Child, and Titania that you rejected for "No answer to my request, so I am rejecting" , but you asked questions about another book and had these on hold to "get my attention" and I answered your question about the Tim White art book -- why did you reject these three? There was nothing questionable about them as far as my talk page. [[User:Ofearna|Ofearna]] 10:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry for the reject but as I saw it there was no answer to expect anymore, because you already archived the message in question: there were open questions and I can only recommend to read the messages before archiving them. It had nothing to do with getting your attention: it was another problem entirely.<br />
:I am sorry, but what should one do other than addressing a problem on the user's talk page? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Advice for entering German pubs ==<br />
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Hi. At the current pace I will probably be ready to tackle the German publications in my collection in a few more weeks. Originally I didn't intend to enter data for those books, but now that you and Rudam are around for a bit of coaching ☺ I feel more comfortable with the idea. I have noticed that non-English publications are added under a variant title, and that the title record has a language setting. Are there any other major things that you can think of that I should be aware of when entering my German stuff? The main bulk of what I will enter is a complete collection of Heyne's "Bibliothek der SF-Literatur". Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Just chiming in to suggest that you may find [[Help:How to enter foreign language editions]] useful :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:20, 8 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, the bulk of the Bibliothek has already been entered (not by me, but by Bill Longley - BLongley. That was really very kind of him), but some of them still have to be verified and updated (looking for the right date of publication; it stems from amazon and amazon isn't really reliable; adding contents and metadata). My way of doing it may be seen [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366528 here] or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366562 here]. At the least there should be the mention of the translator, information if it's a german first publication or new edition (what is stated in the publication), the printing no. and information on credits for the cover art.<br />
::You may have to be a bit more careful with pub.s by Bastei Lübbe from ca. 1980 up to ca. 1985. We have spotted really a major number of miscredited artists and some mistakenly announced firsts. But if you start with Heyne, it seems to me that you'll be on the safe side. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:41, 9 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::My best advice to Herzube is to first check to see if there is an existing German-language ''title record'' in the database. If not, use "Add New Novel" function and then afterward make its title record into a variant (if the original was an English-language title). If the German-language title record exists and the pub record doesn't, use the "Add Publication to This Title" function. If the pub record exists, update it if necessary and then verify it. If you're working on the Heyne series, it appears all you have to do is the last step. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:23, 9 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Vecer u Gradskoj, s Lidijom u mislima ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|353126|Nova, #11}} contains the Croatian story {{T|1288118|Vecer u Gradskoj, s Lidijom u mislima}}. However, the publication notes state "Ziljak's story translated by Thomas Brem as 'Ein Abend im City-Café, die Gedanken bei Lydia'". This implies the story should be entered in this publication as "Ein Abend im City-Café, die Gedanken bei Lydia" and varianted to "Vecer u Gradskoj, s Lidijom u mislima". Would you mind checking and reconciling the disconnect (add the variant or clarify the note)? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:47, 9 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks for finding this! I think all attempts to completely cover the mistakes one has done in the course of time are forfeit. I added the variant. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:42, 9 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Matriarchen von Isis ==<br />
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Hello, the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405349 this pub] looks a lot like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122001 this one]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 21:38, 14 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it does indeed! Thank you very much for this great find, Hervé! This is exactly why this site ''is'' the greatest! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:46, 15 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Metatropolis ==<br />
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Hello, in the note field for {{P|354746|Metatropolis}} that you have verified it is stated that the book is the translation while contents have all titles in English. Could you please check what's correct. Thank you. [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]] 00:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC).<br />
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:Will do: the book was entered at a time when there were no different languages supported. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you! [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]] 00:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC).<br />
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== Lo specchio dei sogni ==<br />
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Can you tell me how 07242.jpg is a better image than LSPCCHDSGN1994.jpg, which you rejected as a replacement for {{P|402851|Lo specchio dei sogni}}? [[User:Ofearna|Ofearna]] 16:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, I think it is clear enough to see that the fantascienza image has brighter colours, isn't deviating from the rectangular and shows only the book cover, not the table cloth under the book. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Removing the images... To answer: to me, the colors match the original better in the larger photo than in the small oranged-pinked fantascienza scan, but oh, well. I tried to find a clearer scan that wasn't itty bitty <font size=+3>☺ </font>. I'll bow to your expertise . [[User:Ofearna|O&#39;Fearna]] 04:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Erweiterte Synopse der nicht beendeten Revision des vorliegenden Romans'' ==<br />
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Hi. Your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405250 Der unteleportierte Mann] contains [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1533499 Erweiterte Synopse der nicht beendeten Revision des vorliegenden Romans], which has the note ''May be identical to or derived from 'The Missing Pages of The Unteleported Man by Philip K. Dick' by Paul Williams but isn't credited as such and has to be determined.'' Since I have the PKDS Newsletter with that text, we can check if they're identical. I rather think they're not, because ''The Missing Pages ...'' is not a synopsis, but the content of four rediscovered manuscript pages that were missing, and which were responsible for three gaps in the 1983 publication of ''The Unteleported Man''. The last two sentences of ''The Missing Pages ...'' are "But the choice; that remained totally with him ... and with the other humans involved. For better or worse." [[User:Darkday|Darkday]] 22:38, 13 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you very much for that much wanted information. It now seems that the two texts don't are identical, variants or extracts. Instead, I think it is something else - naming the german text as 'Synopse' was a fault right from the start, because this word has a different meaning. They are in fact additions & changes to the novel but seemingly not the ones published in the PKDS Newsletter. I'll change the text accordingly. Thank you, again. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:12, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Held submission ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?2044983 This] has been on hold for more than a month. At this point, there's really nothing the editor can do from his end other than cancelling the submission and entering again using the proper function. Alternately, you can either accept the submission and then merge the title records, or reject it. Your call. I have noticed that the editor has begun using the "Add Publication to This Title" function instead of "Add New Novel" in his latest submissions, so your message has gotten through. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:42, 24 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Linien der Zeit ISBN ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|363079|Die Linien der Zeit}} has a non-numeric character in the ISBN. I believe it should be 3-548-31'''0'''95-8? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:17, 5 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Clearly, you were right. Thanks for catching the mistake! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:58, 5 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Literary MTV" in English or auf Deutsch? ==<br />
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Is {{T|1297500|Literary MTV}} in your verified {{P|354254|Das Science Fiction Jahr Ausgabe 1991}} in English? If so, I think it should be merged with {{T|434471|this one}}. If not, then I suspect its language should be set to German. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, Marty! It was published in german, so I'll set it to that language. Maybe someone thought it ''had'' to be English, judging from the title. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Submission by Valis ==<br />
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I've removed the link to the cover image file on Wikipedia that was given in the submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410204 this record] and have asked the submitter to provide a source for their data. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, Michael! I hadn't looked into the exact link: got to remind me to that in the future. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Author photograph ==<br />
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If you can tell me who [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Jeffpubphoto2006.jpg this] is, and the source for the photograph, I can add the proper image license. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:52, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:It's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11334 Jeff Duntemann]. I asked for permission to use the photo from his website and he gave permission to do so. And I have now added a template, hope it's sufficient. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:15, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, it's fine. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone #190 ==<br />
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Hello Christian, based on a remark by [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]], I've simplfied the data for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?301561 this story] by compacting the title and deleting the "part Two". Hope you'll agree. Hervé [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Barrier ==<br />
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Hi, I found cover artist Bill Botten for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201001 this] Sphere 1970 publication [http://harmonia.meccahosting.com/~a000682b/ here]. Thanks. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 12:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Could you perform the update. Apparently I'm not allowed to, when I don't PV, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Horzel#Changing_a_primary_verified_publication.2C_again 'Changing a primary verified publication, again' discussion]. Thank you. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:57, 6 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you, for reminding me! Well, it may seem frustrating, but it does have some meaning - though it would be okay for me to have a change by somebody like you accepted after notification. I will add the artist; thank you very much for the addition! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:43, 6 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Image linking ==<br />
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Christian, when you get a chance please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:XtinaS#Best_SF this message] (about ''Best SF'') to a new user concerning their linking the ISFDB record to a non-permitted server. You probably overlooked the URL when the submission was accepted. It wasn't a very good image to begin with, so there's not much loss from my deleting it. I'll try to find a better one. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've uploaded to the ISFDB server a much better cover image. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Title field dating of periodical publications ==<br />
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I've noticed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1543028 a series of records] which were entered with the dates given in the format "1/83". It is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title ISFDB standard] that ''The date part of a magazine title should be given after the title, following a comma and a space. The month should be given in full and then the year in full.'' So "1/83" would be entered as "January 1983". At the time this rule was adopted and codified, the dating of non-English publications may not have been part of the discussion, because they were not eligible for the database. (I don't know because it happened before I entered the picture.) If you feel there should be further discussion of the matter, feel free to start a topic on the Rules & Standards discussion page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:02, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Well, in this case I took the part ''the magazine cover and the heading on the contents page are about equal in priority'' as guide. Since there is no heading on the title page, I took the cover as the main source and here taking the emphasized (bigger) date, understanding '1/83', '2/83' ... as a form of month and year. After all, the help text doesn't say it should be entered exactly as stated, but leaving some room for variation: after all, you would have some more difficulties with determinig the months: 'Août', 'Settembre', 'März' come to mind from different languages. I really do think that the chosen format is within the boundaries outlayed by the help text and think it is sufficient. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I would have to disagree that the format you've chosen to use follows the standard that "month should be given in full and then the year in full". In several discussions over the years, the conclusion was reached that even though the actual publication might state "Jan 83", "Jan 1983", "January 83", or "1/83", that there should be a consistent format, and that format is clearly given in the current standard. You're right. Nothing in the standard for this field implies that our "enter data as published" rule be followed. That's why the standard format was established regardless of how the publication is dated. As for non-English months, it was determined that once those publications were eligible for the database, that the English language be the database's standard language. Otherwise you would be entering the notes in the language of the publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Sorry, but somehow this passage is hidden or misplaced. There wasn't something like ''given in full'' in the help text for titles of magazines. It is only to be found if you scroll down to the ''Missing or variant dates'' section, and that isn't a section that came to my mind as worth reading in that regard, because the date isn't missing and also not an exact variant (under which I would subsume something like 'second half of 19..' or 'Spring 20..'). Sorry about that. But we still have two conflicting guidelines: the first to enter the title as near as exacty as stated (which would lead directly to the use of non-english months in my opinion) and the standard which was established for English magazines. In short: Ithink it's okay to change '3/83' into 'März 1983' but not into 'March 1983', which would collide with the stated month on the cover (or anywhere in the magazine). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, it's awkwardly entered, and its placement is probably confusing, but there is a note at the end of the subsection which says "See the note on missing and variant dates below '''for more on formatting this part of the title'''." (That subsection should be merged with the main Magazine subsection.) But there is ''nothing'' under the Magazine subsection which tells the editor to enter the date "exactly as stated". It's the standard to enter the date completely, and if you choose not to follow it, there's nothing I can do about it. But don't be surprised if another editor brings it to your attention in the future. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:02, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::No, the standard to enter the title of a publication "exactly as stated" is a general standard to remain as true as possible to the publication in question. In the cases of magazines this spirit should IMHO include the stated date (i.e. month). I will change the recorded dates to the months specified in the publications to keep up the standard I missed. Thanks for bringing my attention to this. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Brad R. Torgers[o|e]n on "Peacekeeper" ==<br />
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Would you check the spelling of Torgerson on "Peacekeeper" in your verified {{P|381924|Mammoth Book of SF Wars}}? He spells his name "sen", not "son". The Look Inside shows it as "sen" in the ToC. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, Marty, but I am unable to find the book instantly. It may be deposited in a place where I don't suppose that it'd be. Please change the spelling in the way you think it is appropriate, I'll check and inform you as soon as I find the book. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: It's indeed Torgersen also on title page, corrected. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thanks for stepping in, Hervé! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Lonely Souls" ==<br />
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I am not sure if you have seen the following "Feature Request" opened by an anonymous user a few minutes ago:<br />
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"Hey Stonecreek, I'm trying to reply to your note about "Lonely Souls" but can't figure out how. Help!"<br />
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I assume it's related to the message about Van Gelder's "Lonely Souls", which you left on [[User talk:Chris DeVito]] the other day. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:22, 6 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== SF-Anthologie ==<br />
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Shouldn't for these four titles the bold part be added in the name? As it is now the title is only partial I think.<br />
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* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411990] '''Science Fiction Anthologie Band 4:''' Die Vierziger Jahre II<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406413] '''Science Fiction Anthologie Band 3:''' Die Vierziger Jahre I<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?397561] '''Science Fiction Anthologie Band 2:''' Die Fünfziger Jahre II<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376715] '''Science Fiction Anthologie Band 1:''' Die Fünfziger Jahre I<br />
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:Well, no. It was a projected series of anthologies, and while it'd be possible to enter the full title it would be somewhat superfluous to have it doubled. And another bonus: the first two were published also as paperback (by Bastei Lübbe) and can be added without further difficulties, while still being part of the title series. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: You know that the official DNB entry is "Science Fiction Anthologie", same for OCLC, so actually they take the part as title, which you leave out. I don't think that's right to skip that part. According to what I learned last day the title is what is written on the title page and there the full title is written. Intentions don't count I got told. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 10:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, DNB has it as work in several parts ('mehrteiliges Werk'), which is either a publication series (as, for example, 'Terra') or a title series by ISFDB standards. OCLC is used only as reference for the existence of a publication, they do have sometimes mistakes (misspellings, wrong cover images). The covers as well as the title pages have only '''Band X: Die ...ger Jahre I/II''' in bold faces, so that this could be considered as the title. The '''Band X''' part is already reflected in the volume numbering within the series. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:21, 18 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Compared with other books from same publisher they usually have the Author in non-bold. And The Author is a part of the title. I'm still not convinced - the current entry misses and essitial information. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 12:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::The author isn't part of the title, he is part of the title information (in the other case NOVEL or ANTHOLOGY would also be part of the title). If you search for a title, you don't enter the author, only the title of the published work. Your note does emphasize my opinion that this isn't part of the title, as initially planned by the publisher, because they have only the title in bold. If you look at the title page, you'll see that all required information is there: one of the beauties of ISFDB. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:39, 18 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Das Science Fiction Jahr 2000 ==<br />
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Uploaded a new cover scan of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?339252 Das Science Fiction Jahr 2000]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 08:28, 24 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Sixty Days and Counting ==<br />
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Added cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260795 this edition of Sixty Days and Counting]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Kalimantan ==<br />
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The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2018 Legend Novellas] series has all publications listed under the publisher "Legend / Century" except for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186209 Kalimantan]. My copy has "A Legend novella published by Century" on the copyright page, which would account for the imprint nature of the publisher credit on all other records for this series. I'm suggesting a change to the publisher field for this pub to match the rest of the series. Also notifying Mhhutchins. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 19:53, 22 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for catching that one, Pete! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:57, 29 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bios'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that there is an ISBN-13 in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?300143 this 2003 publication]? Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367187 this one]? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for finding this. I already have corrected the Wilson novel and I'll try to find the Silverberg tomorrow. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:16, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd ==<br />
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Found it! The item you want is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1464990 This one]. The full information on the letter is SF Commentary 9, February 1970, Pages 8-10, Written 8 June 1969. It occupies the bottom of page 31 through page 33. I found the book again while putting away some stuff from a trip to Worldcon.[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 22:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you very much for finding this! I know very well that you can lose track of a certain book, it seems to happen to me on a regular basis ;-( . [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Before it slips out of our universe again ;) could I ask you to take another look to establish an answer for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#A_title_in_Philip_K._Dick:_Electric_Shepherd this]? Thanks very much. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:10, 30 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Our Friends from Frolix 8 ==<br />
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Added a couple of generic notes to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25297 this]]. Nice scan! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 19:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the additions! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:59, 15 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Lösung Drei", by Naomi Mitchison ==<br />
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I was noticing that the cover of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405252 verified publication] has an unusual misspelling of the author's first name. Is it misspelled that way inside? Either way, it may deserve at least a note about the cover. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:37, 15 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for finding this omission on my side! While searching for an original English publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1364133 this story] (which I now added to a collection already in the database) I came across the site [http://www.lxnen.com/rogerbeccon/NMM/index.html Naomi Mitchison - Towards a Bibliography], which perhaps will be of interest to you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:40, 15 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks much for the link. I should spend some time going through that and see if they have volumes we need to add. (And ones to add to my collection :-) ) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:49, 16 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Aufbau" and "Aufbau Tb" publishers ==<br />
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I was hoping you could take a look at this, since you've at least done a couple of WorldCat verifications on these publishers. We have both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?31249 Aufbau] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6336 Aufbau Tb] listed as separate publishers. They both are part of "Aufbau Verlag". My weak German reading of the [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufbau-Verlag Aufbau Verlag Wikipedia page] implies that "Aufbau Taschenbücher" (i.e., "Aufbau Tb") is an imprint of, or a publication series of, Aufbau Verlag. I've tried to link the two publishers on those publisher pages. But: (1) I don't know if I've interpreted things right and linked them properly; (2) I wonder if they should be combined under a single name, and "Aufbau Taschenbücher" just listed as a publication series. Your thoughts would be appreciated. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, the text says that 'Aufbau Verlag' now is a group of publishing houses consisting among others of publishers Aufbau Tb and Aufbau proper (similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_House Random House], but only active in Germany). I tend to use this and the different ISBN designations of 351 (Aufbau proper) and 7466 (Aufbau Taschenbuch) as guidance to set up different publishers, since both seem to indicate different legal entities. I should have one or two of the Aufbau Tb (though boxed and not of speculative content) and will take a look how the publisher is stated. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay, I have found a book published in 2003. It has only ''Aufbau Taschenbuch Verlag'' on title & copyright pages and on back, it has the 3-7466- ISBN and no mentioning of the parent publisher. I hope this helps. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:42, 16 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: I see now that they use different ISBN ranges, so they really should be kept separate. But I wonder then if ''Aufbau Tb'' should be changed to ''Aufbau Taschenbuch'', both because it appears that this is how they list themselves, and to make the distinction easier. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:43, 17 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::You are right, thanks. I'll change it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:44, 17 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Fugue for a Darkening Island'' ==<br />
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Christian, I've moved my verification for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385931 this tp] to Transient, if you want to take over the P1. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 09:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Will do. Thank you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== From one Dickhead to another… ==<br />
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Christian, it just occurred to me that I should have let you know about a PKD fanzine I edited last month: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430563 Journey Planet #16]. You can download it for free from eFanzines [http://www.efanzines.com/JourneyPlanet/index.htm here]. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 23:03, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Wow, it looks terrific and features some real gems. Thanks for the link, I'll devour it during the next days. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:53, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Plain Kate ==<br />
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I added a link to the artist's cover for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1495129 Plain Kate]<br />
http://www.julianakolesova.com/show.php?pic=1&targ=illustration but the system split it into two lines which don't work...<br />
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Thanks for approving it, but how to fix that link? [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 16:41, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, the best I could come up with was the way it is now (I'm really no expert in fine tuning web references): at least it is the first picture in line and one gets a good impression of the artist's range of work. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Rothfuss series ==<br />
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It seems that the world of The Kingkiller Chronicle is called The Four Corners ([http://kingkiller.wikia.com/wiki/The_Four_Corners_of_Civilization Kingkiller Wiki]), that's why I wanted to put the story in that series. Maybe making the Chronicle a subseries of a Four Corners Universe would be better, but unless there are further subseries that's maybe a bit too much for just one story? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 12:40, 8 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dark Verse, Volume 1, regarding name of author. ==<br />
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Hello Stonecreek!<br />
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The name of the writer of ''The Dark Verse'' stories is M. Amanuensis Sharkchild. On the title page of the book it is only Sharkchild. In his podcasts he introduces himself as Sharkchild. The essay at the back of the book is merely a blurb about the author and is entitled simply, M. Amanuensis Sharkchild. Since the guidelines say to use whatever is on the title page, I went with Sharkchild.<br />
[[User:Zygilix|Zygilix]] 01:13, 16 December 2013 (UTC)Zygilix<br />
:And you were perfectly right with that! Thank you very much for the answer. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:08, 16 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Monologue About the Weather", by Tommi Brem ==<br />
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You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?408513 this book] as an English language publication. [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/723943015 WorldCat] claims it's a German-language book. Based on the content titles, I assume that WorldCat is wrong, and that a note should be added to the publication record mentioning that. But I could imagine that it might be bilingual, and it just happens that all the spec fic titles are in English. So I'm hopeful that you would be willing to clarify the language status in this book's notes. Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:04, 17 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was published in Germany, but all the contents were written (& published) in English. I also had the language set to English for this author. All his fiction only was published in this language, though his nonfiction was written and published originally in German. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:11, 17 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! I added a note to the publication record about this error in WorldCat. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:55, 17 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ISBN/Catalog # field in book club records ==<br />
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Christian, I saw Ofearna's submission to update the record for a book club edition in the queue, and when I tried to place it on hold, you'd already accepted it. There were a few problems with it which I brought to her attention on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#ISBN_.2F_ID_numbers_for_book_club_editions here talk page.] Just thought you'd be interested in the unusual situation with how to record the ISBN and/or catalog number in a book club edition. <br />
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BTW, I would like to thank you sincerely for your efforts to defend me in the discussion which took place over the past few weeks on the Moderator Noticeboard. Although I think the respite is only temporary (the poster has sworn to get some kind of revenge some how), it is a relief not to face them each day. After the first few rounds, I thought it best to just remain out of the discussion, and was very happy to see you step up to state a good case. Unfortunately, the guy's anger towards me doesn't allow him to see the truth. I'm sure he'll return again with another user name, and it will start all over again. Thank you again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry that I accepted the submission, Michael, it is still a process of learning for me in some fields.<br />
:The discussion really was unpleasant, and as I still think there has to be some kind of paranoia directed against people involved. The attacks seemingly come with no foundation or reason: I read through the first argument, and it appears that he gets tremendously upset when someone (alas, it were Chavey and you) only reminds him of his omissions, while you made it clear to him shortly before, that this may happen to a beginner. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Recent integration ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436634 This record] gives the Amazon sale price, not the list price. Also, "Dutton Adult" isn't a publisher in the database (there probably was a moderator warning stating this). According to the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/757469826 OCLC record] the publisher is Dutton, and the page count is 390. I seriously doubt that the data is from the author's website, as it appears to be identical to Amazon's (you know how they round off page numbers and give false publisher data.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:42, 16 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Header for the William Spencer bio page ==<br />
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I returned the BioHeader (which links back to the author's summary page) that was removed when you created the page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, Michael. I didn't consciously delete the heading, it wasn't on display after logging into the wiki. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:46, 16 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Epoch (and more) ==<br />
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Thank-you for letting me know how I can improve. In the future I will refrain from adding links to images. If you see other areas I can improve on please keep letting me know!<br />
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== Misaligned ISBN ==<br />
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Can you check to see if the ISBN-13 is given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?434692 this book]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?379115 this book], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414294 this book], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405339 this book], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?408495 this book], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375343 this book], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402348 this book]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Probably they were just copied while using the clone function, but I will check them one by one. It'll take some time, though, because some of them may be distributed at various places. Thanks anyway, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:20, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Interviews of pseudonyms ==<br />
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I changed the interviewee of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1659214 this interview] from "Monika Niehaus-Osterloh" to Monika Niehaus so that it matches that of the author's canonical name. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:59, 14 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you, Michael. I made the connection between the two names only recently, because it has crytallized with new titles that Monika Niehaus will be likely the canonical name. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:51, 14 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mammoth Book of SF Wars ==<br />
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I have a couple of questions on your verified {{P|381924|The Mammoth Book of SF Wars}}:<br />
*Junked, p145: In the {{P|387730|Running Press edition}}, this story is subtitled on the title page (Junked: A Combat K Adventure). Is the subtitle not present in Robinson edition?<br />
*Cover Artist: Per the notes field, it sounds like the credit should be {{A|joeroberts.co.uk}} which is a pseudonym of {{A|Joe Roberts}}?<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:58, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Well, I have to find the book first, before I am able to answer your first question and I hope that I will find it later this day.<br />
:For cover artists we have both usages: a) to credit the pseudonym stated or b) to credit the canonical name and note the actual statement. I now usually do the second, and I think the first is excluded per se in this case, because joeroberts.co.uk is no name, but an address. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:31, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::The ISFDB standard is to credit as explicitly stated within the publication (with a few exceptions like publisher name standardization). I know of no exception for cover artist credits that would credit the canonical name over a stated pseudonym. Can you point that out? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:30, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I chime in as I can perhaps more easily pull out my copy than Christian. The subtitle is present, I've made the changes. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:38, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Thank you very much for stepping in, Hervé. <br />
::::On the cover artist question: as I said above, joeroberts.co.uk is no pseudonym, because it is no proper name, but an address of which the artist's name is a part (quite similar to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?305099 this pub.], where we would have to credit 'Charles Brock/FaceOut Studio' if we took the credit as a proper pseudonym). For pseudonyms I had it not as clearly stated as I intended, sorry for that. I meant those cases where we have no credit per se, but only a signature, like 'Emsh'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:29, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's not a big deal to me one way or the other, but your approach is not consistent with our documentation. In the second pub, I also would just use the name (dropping the company) since it's been stated. But when a name is not specified, I use the publication credit per the principle of crediting per the pub. As for signatures, I know there were "Rules and standards discussions" about normalizing to the canonical name, but as far as I can tell, that never made it into our actual rules. Oh well, chalk it up to the long line of documentation / practice inconsistencies. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:02, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Preface to I Shudder at Your Touch ==<br />
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Hi -- I'm curious to know what you did to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1053917 this title]. I assumed that the version with Michele Slung's name should be a variant of the uncredited one, per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:TitleFields:Author this help page], but it looks as if you reversed that. I assume that's usual practice, in that case, and the help file is wrong? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry Mike for not informing you on that change, I ran out of time and also assumed that you wanted to do the reverse, which seemed the only logical way to do it, based on the help text: 'If there is external evidence (such as a collection of editorials from a magazine, making it clear who the author was) that identifies the author, then you can add a variant title to that item, using the real name.' Here the existence of credited variants (credited to Michele Slung that is) is the external evidence. Maybe you assumed that the first publication of a title defines the parent (?), but there ''are'' exceptions, like in this case. Sorry again for not coming back to you in the first place. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:08, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Reading the help page, I agree that it reads the opposite way ("you can add a variant title to that item, using the real name"). However, the key is the next sentence ("This will attach the work to the true author's bibliography, without giving incorrect data about what is actually in the source publication."). In order for that to happen, the real name needs to be the parent and the "uncredited" needs to be the variant. I'll make a clarification to the help. Thanks for pointing this out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::No problem; no need to tell me when you fix a submission -- if I'm curious I can always ask. Thanks for the explanation. I see that the two verifications that were done were by two editors who, I think, are not among the most experienced ISFDB contributors -- Jorssi and Jonschaper. Jorssi appears to be still active; I think I'll ask if the preface is actually credited in their copy. I suspect it's not, and that it's been entered that way because it's evidently by Slung. [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 13:44, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Moewig 3558 - Das Glück von Brins Fünf ==<br />
I've just updated the cover Artist to "Enric" and made the [http://fineart.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=5090&lotNo=78850 source reference] in the notes section.</div>
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<div>{{Welcome}} [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:05, 5 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Art in ''Quest'' ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome. I have a question and comment about your change to {{P|334271|Quest}}. Is Thomas Thiemeyer also the cover artist, or did he only do the six illustrations you mention in the new note? The "Artist" field is for the cover artist(s). Interior artwork is credited by adding another content entry (as you did for the illustration on p. 6). If you do not want to create one content entry per illustration, you can create on general entry (with no page number) using the title of the book and type INTERIORART, with the artist as author. You do not have to do this, I only mention it because I know the purpose of the "Artist" field is not always obvious. Welcome again, and thank you for contributing! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:10, 7 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, Marty. My real forename is Christian. Thank you for your question. I will change the comment into a content entry. And yes, Thiemeyer is also the cover artist.<br />
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== Countdown ==<br />
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Hello. I'm trying to understand the note for deleting {{p|334300|Countdown}} where you said "I found out that it's bibliographically incorrect in the ISFDB to give the original titles of stories instead of the translated (then variant) titles." It appears the title is stated as ''Countdown'' on http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3426057115.<br />
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Is the issue that all of the story titles in the contents are translated? If so, I think it's a little less typing to do edit-pub, add the German titles, "Remove Titles From This Pub", and to select and remove the English titles. One benefit is that you can copy/paste the author names and related stuff on the edit-pub screen as you fill in the German titles. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 02:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Marc. My real name is Christian Steinbacher. Thank you for your very useful suggestion. I deleted the old deletion request and submitted a change request. Yes, that makes ii a lot easier. Thank you, again [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:22, 8 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The ISFDB doesn't currently support translated title records for shortfiction (this feature is planned for the future, but that appears to be far down the road.) I believe Marc may have misunderstood your intentions with the first edit of this record. Shortfiction records for translated works should be entered using their original English title and merged with the title record already in the database. No variant titles records should be created for translated titles. I will reject the submission and restore the record to its original state. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, translations have proved to be a bigger can of worms than expected. On the plus side, I have more time for development now and I am slowly working my way through the accumulated odds and ends, so we are getting there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Hello, you two. As I understand the background of the ISFDB it is the common policy to give the variant titles of a work. And when Clarke's "The Lion of Comarre" is published as "Der Löwe von Comarre" this is an alternative title. So, why don't we file it as such? What remains to do is to make it a variant title, but this I have seen already hundreds of times and I'd do it, although it means a hell of a lot of work (but I keep notes). Also, there is (as I understand) work in progress to include translators and translations. I can understand that you don't want to have crammed the ISFDB with variant titles on the same level as the original works, but when you make them variant they are pushed to the right and marked as such. I fear that we opened the can of worms when we started working on the ISFDB, what do you think? So, be assured that I am willing to make variant titles when there are variant titles. What does look better (at least for the author) than an bibliography of a work of fiction than this, f.e. (for "Das Jesus-Video" by Andreas Eschbach):<br />
French: Jésus video, translated by Claire Duval. (Edition L'Atalante, Nantes 2001) ISBN 2-84172-167-1 <br />
Italian: Lo specchio di Dio. (Fanucci Editore, Roma 2002) ISBN 88-347-0892-X <br />
Japanese: (HAYAKAWA SHOBO, Tokio, 2003) ISBN 4-15-041030-5 und ISBN 4-15-041031-3 <br />
Polish: Wideo z Jezusem, translated by Joanna Filipek. (SOLARIS, 2004) ISBN 83-88431-98-6 <br />
Dutch: Het Messias Mysterie, translated by Peter de Rijk. (Karakter Uitgevers) ISBN 90-6112-043-8 <br />
Russian: Видео Иисус, translated by T. Nabatnikow. (Zakharov Publishers, 2005) ISBN 5-8159-0433-3 <br />
Spanich: El vídeo jesús, translated by Henrike Fesefeldt und José María Faraldo. (Bibliópolis, 2007) ISBN 978-84-96173-56-9 <br />
Hungarian: A jézus-video (Aranyszarvas Kiado, 2007) ISBN 978-963868787-6 [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:19, 10 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I'll leave the nuts & bolts explanation to Ahasuerus, but here's my take. When the structure of the database was designed and built, there must have be a a decision, whether conscious or not, that it was to be an English-language database. The display of non-English language publications was not part of that design. (The I in ISFDB stands for Internet not International.) Now two decades on, there's is a conscious effort to include all spec-fic regardless of language and the pigeon-holing efforts are obviously not working very well. You and other non-English language readers, editors, collectors, etc. have discovered the database and wish to add records for books in other languages. Great. We want your contributions. Should you wait until full support for other languages has been added to the database? I don't know and can't advice you on that point. I doubt that any past contributions can be fixed with a global change, but I'm not a software person and don't know if such a fix is possible. I'd hate to have you add all of these records only to have to go back and fix them manually. As for your question concerning the many translations of the Eschbach novel, you can add them to the title record of the original language. If it's French, then all the pub records would be added to that title, without creating variant title records. That's how the database currently works, and there's not another way around it. Having all translated titles appear on an author's summary page would just be too unwieldy, and not very user friendly. The goal (and Ahasuerus can say more about this) is to let the user have a language preference (or none), so that in any case, he would decide how the records are displayed. How far away that feature will be implemented, I can't say. Until then, it's up to you to decide how much you want to contribute to the database. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::OK, I can live with that, and will continue my work. Eschbach and anthologies by Alpers are at the time my first interest but English language authors are a future issue, f.e. Aldiss. And while I am at it: there seems to be no entry for Aldiss' Science Fiction Blues, a book I have a question for: It consists mainly of adaptations of stories into short plays. Shall I give the hint (play) in the title of each piece or better file it under the original story without the hint? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::If they are adaptations of his stories, you can add "(play)" to the title. If they are original, just give the title. Leave the story type as SHORTFICTION without a length and record that they are plays in the note fields of the pub and in each story's title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:27, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ernst Vlcek ==<br />
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Christian, I decided to cancel the author update you submitted for Ernst Vlcek.<br />
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You wanted to change the canonical name from "Ernest Vleck" to "Ernst Vleck." The canonical name is used in ISFDB to display author credits. I see that the author name {{a|Ernest Vleck}} is credited for two short stories and both of them appear in a verifie publication. If we changed the author name in this case then the name shown in the publication would also change. If you think the name was credited as Ernst Vleck, or even Ernst Vlcek, in those publications a better path is to have the verifier(s) re-check the publication(s) and to change them.<br />
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I saw that we already had a record for {{a|Ernst Vlcek}} and so went ahead with making Ernest Vleck a pseudonym. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 18:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Author legal name ==<br />
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A small "gotcha" in ISFDB is that the "Legal Name" field in ISFDB is "Lastname, Firstname Middlenames" which is different than the "Firstname Lastname" format we use everywhere else. I went ahead with correcting the entries you submitted for {{a|Thomas Thiemeyer}}, <br />
{{a|Michael K. Iwoleit}}, and {{a|Michael Iwoleit}}. With the latter two I cleaned it up so that Michael Iwoleit is a pseudonym of Michael K. Iwoleit. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 19:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Heyne SF Magazin 5 ==<br />
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I've had to make adjustments to the update that you made for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?103531 this magazine]. You should always use the original title of the work, even if translated. All pieces originally written in German can retain the German title, but any that were originally written in English, even if translated into another language should use their English title. Also, any nonfiction work included in a larger work (book or magazine) should be entered using the ESSAY type. The NONFICTION type is used for book-length work. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Also when you get a chance, could you record the interior artwork individually giving each the name of the work it illustrates? Page numbers would help as well. This is not mandatory, but it's better to not record them as groups. If you'd rather not enter them as individual records, you can simply remove the group records from the pub entirely. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Der ewige Krieg by Haldeman ==<br />
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You will need to merge the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1193162 German language title record] with the English title record. What is the original English title? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Korpernikus 1 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334582 this pub], but you should change the title records of the translated titles into that of the original titles and merge them with those records already in the database. Or if you can give me the list of original titles here I can simply merge them, which will save some time and several submissions. I'm assuming the Clarke story is "The Lion of Comarre" but am not sure of the original titles by Vinge ("Fool's Gold" ?) or Martin ("The Way of Cross and Dragon" ?). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Rückkehr by Andreas Eschbach ==<br />
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I accepted the submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334626 this title] but you failed to add the fiction content. Unlike submissions for novels where a title record is automatically generated, when adding chapterbooks you must create records for each of the contents including, but not limited to, fiction, essays, and interior art. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Falle von Dhogar by Andreas Eschbach ==<br />
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Same as above for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334627 this chapterbook]. You'll need to add a content record for the fiction. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, I didn't know that I had to create content for chapterbooks. I will fix it until the next day. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Interior Art ==<br />
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You've added several publications giving a question mark for the title of interiorart. These should be given titles, otherwise each of the artist's summary pages would be filled with ?s and add nothing to searches for his work. Unless the artwork is given individual titles (not very common), we give the records the title of the work which it illustrates. If there are more than one piece of artwork, the second record would be given the title with the additional of a bracketed number: "title [2]", the third record would be "title [3]", etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Traum des Astronauten ==<br />
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I'm holding a submission which wants to change [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?841104 this record] from SHORTFICTION type to COLLECTION type. This is the title record for the story which is included on page 113 of the collection of the same name whose title record already exists [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1193352 here]. (I had to re-create the collection's title record because you overwrote it when you updated the pub. That's not a good idea.) Please reject the submission if you feel it was submitted in error. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:The publication was falsely indexed as novel. But in fact, it is a collection with 'Der Traum des Astronauten' being also the title of one story. Sorry if I mixed up two things in my submission. I tend to spend more attention into editing. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your submission corrected the pub's type and I added a new title record. It's in good shape now. I'll reject the submission making the short story's title record into a collection. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:57, 12 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to Wikipedia's images ==<br />
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Unfortunately, I had to remove your link to de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Joerg_von_Liebenfelss.jpg&filetimestamp=20091127081428 . Wikipedia doesn't allow direct links to its images since they consider it "bandwidth theft". If they find that a site does that, they can block the offending site and we wouldn't want to violate their policies anyway. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, thanks for correcting the fauxpas. I would have thought that there is a working relationship with wikipedia. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:38, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Engineman ==<br />
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The "new" pub you have submitted already exists [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NGNMNRKRCS2010 here]], with a couple of minor differences. Most of the new publication records are generated by a data-mining robot called Fixer. Since the majority of these come from Amazon, and not just the US site, but the UK one, that fact is left in the notes until someone can correct it from a book in hand. Nearly always the page count is wrong. Even if the date in the book contains only the year, Amazon will fill out the rest, whether correct or not [the month usually is] but that's because their software will not enter a date with zeroes for either the month or day. Since the existing record noted above has not been verified, you could just correct it and submit [change the page count and add the artist and page numbers to the contents]. I wouldn't change the binding to a PB however, as the UK edition is 19.6 cm, making it a trade paperback or 'tp'. Usually we drop the day from the date unless there is some secondary source [a reviewer's slip for example] other than Amazon. As for the note you added, while the UK book is not on the US site, it is on the [[http://www.amazon.co.uk/Engineman-Eric-Brown/dp/1907519424/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291052283&sr=1-1 UK]] site. Thanks for editing! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 18:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it is a tp (not a pb), but what is different is the ISBN and that puzzles me, because I can find the book with the given ISBN at amazon, but not the one I purchased. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A is for Brian ==<br />
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I've accepted the submissions updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288003 this pub], but I'm a little concerned about the INTERIORART entries. Most appear to be photographs, and I'm not sure if it's ever been decided about how or even if photos should be entered into the database. I'm going to start a conversation on the Rules and Standards page, so please use it to voice your opinion on the matter. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:09, 3 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:The discussion has begun [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Entries_for_photographs_in_the_database here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Nova 3 submission ==<br />
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Hello Christian. After some research I approved the addition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?336558 Nova 3], but I have a few questions. First, the publisher "Books on Demand". The first two editions of Nova were published by "Verlag Nummer Eins", and I can't find any reference to "Books on Demand" on the internet. Is it really published thus? Second, you have entered the first three editions as anthologies, but according to the publication's [http://nova-sf.de/wp/ website], "NOVA ist ein deutsches Science Fiction-Magazin und erscheint seit Dezember 2002 dreimal jährlich (Frühjahr, Herbst und Winter)". I think Nova should have been entered as a magazine. See this[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Information help text] under pub type. What do you think? If you need help, don't hesitate to ask. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 4 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Wilhelm. "Verlag Nummer Eins" was an attempt to establish an own publishing house by Ronald M. Hahn, but production and handling was at this point already done by Books On Demand, located in Norderstedt in Germany. With issue 3 of Nova BoD became the official publisher: note the different ISBN (3-8334 instead of 3-8311) for the publisher. Your second question: Yes, Nova calls itself a magazine but lacks some features of it, e.g. a letter column or some regular contributions. Also, it appears quite infrequently, now only about once a year. There is the Heyne Science Fiction Magazin, edited by Wolfgang Jeschke which faces a similar characterization. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:59, 4 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for explaining. I was just wondering about this. We have another wonderful option to show the publications are connected, the publication series. Want to try that? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 16:35, 4 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good suggestion, but in this case there already is an anthology series named Nova, edited by Harry Harrison in the seventies. As I see it, this would lead to a mix-up. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:13, 5 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Harrison's Nova is a Title Series, Willem is suggesting a Publication Series. When there is only one publication of a title, then a publication series can be used instead of, or as well as, a Title Series. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the good idea, you two. I have done it. So this anthology series will not be mixed up with other anthologies. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Sorry, I didn't see this discussion, before creating a title series named [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28388 Nova (German)]. I'm inclined to believe this is very similar to other anthology series and should be handled like New Dimensions, Universe, Orbit, etc. Publication series, for me, implies that the content is unrelated and is basically a marketing tool. If you disagree, please consider that Publication series are not grouped on an author's summary page and that Title series are. See how this series is displayed on the summary page for {{A|Ronald M. Hahn}}. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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OK, that's even better. Thank you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: OK, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28388 Title Series it is]. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unknown or uncredited cover art ==<br />
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According to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub Help page]: <br />
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:Cover artist. Enter the artist for the cover art if known. If not known, leave blank. If the artist is not credited, but a signature is visible on the artwork, this can be used; if you do this, clarify in the Notes where you found the information. If there is both a signature and a printed credit, follow the printed credit. If you believe you recognize the artist's style but can see no actual attribution, make a note in the Notes field but don't enter the artist's name. If you know from a secondary bibliographic source who the artist is, but there is no attribution, enter the artist's name and also add a comment to the Notes field explaining the source of the attribution. Note that entering this information will actually create a "COVERART" content record, behind the scenes, with a title of "Cover: " followed by the title of the publication.<br />
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Don't enter "uncredited" as this creates a record for an artist named "uncredited". You can record that the cover is uncredited in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:15, 8 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thank you for this information, didn't know that. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Designating multiple pieces of interiorart ==<br />
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The help page gives [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ANLGJAN65 this magazine] as an example of entering interiorart. Notice that the first piece that illustrates the story simply has the story's title. The subsequent pieces are given a bracketed number in the order in which they appear in the magazine. I accepted the submission adding interiorart to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58993 this issue] of ''Interzone'', but the records will have to be amended to conform to the standard. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Consider it done. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Guardians of the Phoenix ==<br />
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Replaced the amazon scan (it wasn't the correct one) and added notes to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331031 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone, February 1998 ==<br />
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The update for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58979 this pub] was accepted, but there are a couple of areas of concern. You note that there was a review of a recording. This can be entered as a content record under the ESSAY type: 61 - Review of "Talking in the Dark: An Evening of Horror Stories", a recording by Ramsey Campbell and Dennis Etchison - ESSAY - David Mathew. It's not necessary to note the type of recording. Also the standard for entering letters to an editor are such: Letter (<Magazine Title>). So the letters for this issue would be titled "Letter (Interzone, February 1998)". See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Letters_to_the_Editor this section] of the Help page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:12, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone, May 1998 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59045 this issue] but have a question about the change of page count from 68 to 66. Ordinarily a magazine's page count would be a multiple of 4 (based on the way most magazines are bound). It is also ISFDB policy to count the covers of a magazine as part of the page count (see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub here] under '''Pages'''.) Also, the review of "Albedo One, #15, 1997" a magazine issue, should be made into an essay. If a review is for a series of issues all within a the same year, you could link the review to the magazine's editor record for the year. It can't be linked to a magazine's title record because...well...magazines don't have title records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:31, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
: The change to an essay is underway. I modeled the page count after your verification of the Interzone, August 1998, issue. But if it's correct to count those ad pages, I can change that as well. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The page count on Issue 134 was an error which I'll correct (not sure if at the time the policy about counting covers was in place). The fact that they're ad pages would not have excluded them. There are ad pages throughout which we include in the page count. I just pulled out my copy of the issue and I see that the front cover is the first page in the count. The last numbered page is 66, and then the back cover adds an additional two pages to the total count. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Uploaded cover images ==<br />
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Hi. I approved a couple of your cover image additions, but they had the wrong page linked. Instead of using the main wiki page (e.g., <nowiki>'''http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:DVRMSSNGDR2005.jpg'''</nowiki>), you need to use the link to the image file itself (e.g., <nowiki>'''http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/4b/DVRMSSNGDR2005.jpg'''</nowiki>). This like appears immediately below the display of the image on the image's main page. I did fix the ones you submitted, so just please keep that in mind for future uploads. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 16:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I approved your edit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334627 PR#2503] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334626 PR#2295] to show the effect of adding the wrong link. You should use the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/fc/DFLLVNDHGR2009.jpg image link] instead of the image's [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:DFLLVNDHGR2009.jpg wiki page]. Try again? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:57, 22 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Fixed the links before I read this.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 01:07, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Image linking to Wikipedia not allowed ==<br />
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Hi. I approved your edits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?145692 von Humboldt], but I removed the proposed image link to Wikipedia (<nowiki>'''http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:AvHumboldt.jpg&filetimestamp=20060705112224'''</nowiki>). We are not allowed to make deep links to Wikipedia, as they deem that bandwidth theft. See the "Author Image" section of [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] and also [[ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions]]. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 16:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone, July 1998 ==<br />
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Sorry, I placed the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59007 this] earlier today, without letting you know why...and promptly forgot all about it. My question concerned the overwriting of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?111519 the record] for Dominic Harman's interiorart for "The Barrier". I don't think you meant to do that. You changed its title to the url "http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/iplus" and into an essay by Keith Brooke. I'm not sure what you were attempting here. I did see that you've created three new records for Harman's interiorart, though. There's a lot of new data in the submission that would be lost if I rejected it, so I'm tempted to accept it and then let you straighten it out. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:16, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I went ahead and accepted the submission. Look at the entry on page 44. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::What happened is that I entered three new titles for the interior art by D.Harman, not aware that there already was an entry for one of them. As I realized the fact, I decided to overwrite the original with the entry for the essay by Keith Brooke, which wasn't in the contents before. Sorry to have caused some irritation, and: seasonal best wishes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Publication series "Rowohlt Paperback" ==<br />
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Hi Christian, with your latest addition (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?339033 this pub]) we now have two books by the publisher "Rowohlt Taschenbuch", under two publication series ("rororo sachbuch" and "Rowohlt Paperback"). I'm wondering if these are true publication series, or just imprints of the publisher (Rowohlt). I can imagine a publication series called "rororo" (without the "sachbuch", since these seem to share the "rororo" logo on the left side of the front cover, but I can't even find "Rowohlt Paperback" on the publisher's [http://www.rowohlt.de/verlag website]. Another thing is, we should keep the publisher as simple as possible. The database now has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4567 Rowohlt], the imprint [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?5887 Wunderlich/Rowohlt], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34594 Rowohlt Berlin] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34897 Rowohlt Taschenbuch] with the two publication series. Too much i.m.o. What do you think? Please read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_work_with_series#Publication_Series this] before responding. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:38, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Hi Willem, I still think that at least Rowohlt, Rowohlt Berlin and Rowohlt Taschenbuch are separate publishers, although presumably owned by the same holding company, because of the different ISBNs. Wunderlich/Rowohlt may be regarded as just an imprint. Wunderlich was a publishing house of its own before being bought by Rowohlt. If "Rowohlt Paperback" is a publishing series: I will check if those paperbacks have their own numbering. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Just looking at the book shows that there is no numbering at all (apart from ISBN), as opposed to the normal paperbacks, i.e. pocket books (E.g. "rororo sachbuch" (= rororo non-fiction) has its own numbering). I'd still say that it is a publishing series, alas not devoted to sf, because of the unusual format and the printing of PAPERBACK near the spine. Though, there will only be sporadic books of interest for us. What do you (or anybody) suggest? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:06, 29 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::: If you think it's a publication series, it should be entered thus. I was just wondering about this, and searched the Rowohlt website. Looked like one publisher to me, with a number of imprints. It's your call. Thanks for explaining. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 22:03, 29 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Title in Vonnegut collection ==<br />
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Your update of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338536 this pub] changed the story ''The Cruise of "The Jolly Roger"'' to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?99309 The Cruise of]. This may be an old bug that keeps popping up in the system. Were you trying to change the quotation marks from double ones to single ones? If so, that's unnecessary. It's considered a printer's choice, not an author's or editor's choice, and should not be used as a basis to change a record or to create a variant. The biggest question is how were you able to change a title record that belongs to several different pubs all from a change in one pub. Ordinarily the content title record would be grayed out and could not be edited from a pub record. Do you recall the circumstances around changing the title record for this story? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:51, 29 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I think we may have solved the mystery, but not yet fixed the bug. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#How_is_this_possible.3F here.] Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:10, 29 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you for this insight into complicateness - this time I was completely innocent ;-) . [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:48, 30 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Staubplanet ==<br />
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I approved your edit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9909 this pub]. The submission page showed that you wanted to change the ISBN (probably because the checksum was wrong), but the new number was the same as the old one, so the checksum is still wrong. Can you check the number again? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 21:36, 30 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I already thought that this is not the right ISBN, but that's what the copyright page says. I think that it has to be 3-426-05727-1 (in accordance with the publication series no. 5727). Would it be right to change this presumably false ISBN? Anyway, read you in 2011! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::This is one of those things the help pages have no solution for. In general, if you enter another ISBN than stated in the pub, this should be explained in the notes, but we only do this when a Google search for the right ISBN results in a lot of hits. In this case, Google has only 9 hits for both the right ISBN and the one stated in the pub, so we should keep what's in the database now. To get rid of the ugly red warning, it's best to add the prefix (#), and add a note about the ISBN having a bad checksum. Anyway, thanks for checking and have a good New Year's Eve! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 12:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== "Vorwort" ==<br />
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Ganz schlecht mein Deutsch ist, aber "Vorwort" bedeutet "Foreword", nicht? In {{P|339251|Bruderschaft der Unsterblichen}}, you did "Nachwort (Bruderschaft der Unsterblichen)" for the afterword, but just "Vorwort" for the foreword. It is up to you, but I would be inclined to include the same parenthetical title on it, too. I like consistency. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 1<br />
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:Welcome in 2011! You are absolutely right, I should have thought about that myself. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:51, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Heyne Science Fiction Magazin 5 ==<br />
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I have placed your submission to change [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?103531 this pub] from anthology to magazine on hold for now. It is probably a valid submission, but the pub is also part of a publication series (Heyne Science Fiction), and I don't know if that wil cause problems to the database. I will ask the other moderators what to do next, and will let you know. By the way, best wishes for 2011! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, it looks like there's no problem with having a magazine as part of a publication series. I did experiment a bit too much however, and had to create a new record for the publication and delete the old one. See the result [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HNSCNCFCTB1982 here]. I'm afraid you'll have to redo your primary verification, and please check the pub for missing items (there shouldn't be any). Thanks for the patience. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:02, 3 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for your efforts, I haven't been online ever since. I just decided that this is a magazine after all. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Guardians of the Phoenix ==<br />
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Expanded the notes somewhat for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?GRDNSFTHPH2010 this]] --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 16:55, 8 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Wrong URL ==<br />
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You gave the URL of the image's wiki page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340017 Die Feuerschneise]. Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0c/DFRSCHNSNX1980.jpg the correct image URL]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, I just tend to get unconcentrated after some time of work, but I have corredted this fault. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Das Jesus Video ==<br />
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I want to change in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334514 pub] the publisher from "Knaur" to "Droemer Knaur" because it is used from the publisher [http://www.droemer-knaur.de/home Droemer Knaur] himself. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 23:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi, I have checked my copy and found that it bears only "Knaur" as publisher. Are you sure that this is the same pub? (Because the pub i verified was only distributed via a warehouse - see notes.) I will put an image upload later this day as verification help. "Jesus-Video" was in fact published also by "Droemer Knaur", but this would be a different publication. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: I don't have your specific pub of "Das Jesusvideo". But there are a lot of books from the publisher "Droemer Knaur ", who are only labeld with Knaur or with Droemer. You verified this book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DSCSNSSPLK2005 Das Cusanus Spiel]. I also own this book and my copy stated only Droemer. I found no Knaur inside. You labeled it with Droemer Knaur. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 21:15, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I see from the cover you added to the record that it gives the title as ''Das Jesusvideo''. Does the interior title page give the novel a different title? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: Adressing Rudam: OK, since "Knaur", "Droemer" and "Droemer Knaur" share the same ISBN it's better to mark them as the same publisher. I'll change the Eschbach book. And the dustjacket states "Das Jesusvideo" but the title page gives "Das Jesus Video", which is what I used. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::So the record's title remains the same. But...the sharing of ISBNs should not be the rationale behind merging of publisher records. A publisher may have several distinct imprints which should be preserved (Baen, Pocket, Archway, Washingto Square, Timescape, Summit, Poseidon, Fireside and Simon & Schuster all had ISBN 0-671- at one time). If it can be shown that the publisher credit is arbitrary (e.g. Pocket vs. Pocket Books) then a name should be arrived at by consensus. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:48, 11 January 2011 <br />
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You're right, but in this case "Knaur" and "Droemer" really can be regarded as imprints of the greater publisher. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NVLTNCN1980 this pub] as example, where "Droemer Knaur" is given as publisher on the title page. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:37, 11 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:If they're truly ''imprints'' (and not publication series, which is handled in another field), then they should be kept separate, e.g. "Knaur / Droemer Knaur" and "Droemer / Droemer Knaur" in the publication field. I'm beginning to think the Continental and American definitions for "publication series" might not be EXACTLY the same. If not, this discussion should be moved to the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:48, 11 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::In my understanding, for example "DAW sf" would be a publication series, as "Knaur Science Fiction". I have the impression that it's unusual for American publishers to give an ongoing numbering to such a pub. series (which would make it quite easy to distinguish), whereas over here it's the common usus. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:03, 11 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Except that "DAW SF" and "DAW Fantasy" share the same series numbering. I would not consider either to be a publication series, but closer to an imprint (but not exactly). Actually many American publication series give numbering: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?4 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?16 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?15 here]. I have a feeling there's going to be even more debate when/if we ever implement a separate imprint field. I'll accept the submission since you've got the actual book, have verified it, and am willing to place a publisher's name into the field that's not printed in the book itself. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:21, 11 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Rolle des Religiösen in den Romanen von Kurt Vonnegut ==<br />
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I have a submission that wants to change the title record of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340312 this pub] from NONFICTION to ESSAY. That's not a good idea. Because the pub is typed as NONFICTION, doing this would leave the pub without a matching title record, creating a stray publication. Now you can add a content record that is an ESSAY with the same name, which is what I think was your intention. If this was what you wanted to do, cancel the submission, then resubmit an update which adds a new content record, leaving the title record intact. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, I see now what you were attempting to do. There were TWO records with a NONFICTION type and you're changing one of them to an ESSAY. The moderator's page only shows the one record, and there was no way to tell if it were the content record or the title record. I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Interzone'' features as series ==<br />
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Hi. I noticed you have been adding content for what looks like some recurring features to various ''Interzone'' editions. A technique that has been used for such features with some other magazines is to place them into series representing the feature. See, for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26421 Mathoms] for ''Tales of the Unexpected'' or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27446 Editorial (Theaker's Quarterly Fiction)]. As with titles, the practice is to include the magazine's name if the series name would be generic (e.g., "Editorial" or "Letters to the Editor"). Seeing "Spinoffery" several times made me think of it. Doing this is completely optional; I only mention it so that you are aware of the possibility. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Thank you for mentioning this possibility. It will sure look more nicely. I'm in this with Hauck, so I will propose your idea, which looks very good to me, to him. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:12, 17 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Pagination / Page Count ==<br />
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I'm confused about the pagination and page count for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340976 this issue of PR] and am holding a submission that changes the pagination for the stories to "36+1", "36+2", "36+10". What do these numbers represent? The field is for the page on which the piece begins. If it begins on an unnumbered page after the pagination ends, you can count forward and give the page number in brackets. For example if a story begins on the tenth page after the last numbered page 36, you should enter [46] in the field. The page count is also confusing. "36+12+36" indicates that the pub has 36 numbered pages, and the pagination goes back to 1 on the 37th page, then after twelve numbered pages (on the 49th page of the book), the pagination returns to 1. Is that the case in this book? If there are 72 numbered pages with a 12 page insert in the middle (between pages 36 and 37), the page count should be entered as "72+[12]" and the note should indicate where the pages are inserted. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks, but I referred to the description of how to enter unnumbered pages. Citation: "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. You may record this by entering the count in [brackets]." The 12 pages have their own numbering. But you're right that 36+12+36 myight be confusing, so I will change it to 72+12 and mention the exactbeginning in the notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:But thinking of the consequence this would lead to the 36+1 notation, because 1 wouldn't be significant. I will move this discussion to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Magazine_talk:Perry_Rhodan_DE Perry Rhodan talk page.] [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Because the 12-page section has separate pagination "72+12" would be correct, with a note about where the section is located. If you want to give the page numbers for pieces within that section it's going to be hard to get the system to place them in any kind of order. This is a software display issue and that's out of my league. Do you wish to cancel the submission, or would you like me to hold it? Even if the submission is accepted. the pagination you're giving is not going to display correctly. I could approve it and let you see what it looks like. Heck, I'd like to see what it looks like! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Let's give it a try. If it works out, we could stick to it, else I will enter a new submission according to your and Willem's proposal (assigning the contents of the extra pages with i-xii). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I approved the submission and the record's a mess. Let's try the Roman-numeral method next, that can't be any worse. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:35, 19 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Record(s) changed (#2402 had the same problem). Thanks for the try. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #2400 ==<br />
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I approved the addition of #2400. The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?341815 here]. Also added the novel to the series "PR Zyklus 35: Negasphäre". You can now see the difference when a novel is entered in the series (compare [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?148282 Robert Feldhoff] with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120109 Ernst Vlcek]. Feldhoff now has two entries for the series, one for the novel, and one for the short fiction. This is new for me too, but it looks allright. Aside from this, I have now entered at least one title for each cycle (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27232 here]. It looks awful, but there is a feature request to be able to manually sort sub-series. When that possibility is open, we can put them in the right order. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 17:56, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Yes, I'd noted that you put some research into the Zyklen. You think it's looking awful? I think, it begins to look great! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: It's a while since I looked at the sort-ordering in displays, but even if we just made it alphabetical, then adding leading zeroes might be a quick fix? Date is another option of course - but the ideal of being able to order sub-series, and sub-sub-series, and place titles in multiple series, is probably a long way off still. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Would this be a possibility? I can't say, because I don't know the programming background. But thanks for the idea, maybe Willem can make something out of it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I believe both of those are quite possible but would require significant work (especially titles in multiple series as some data would have to be removed from one table and stuffed into another and all the scripts updated to understand the new linkage). [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 19:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::The feature request is [https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2800713&group_id=199503&atid=969757 here]. It has no high priority, but eventually .... --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== German Currency ==<br />
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I've seen quite a few variations in how Deutsche Marks are entered into the database. Examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SRSLNDBKHZ1997 DMX.XX], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MMNSGPDHWV1997 DM X.XX], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DSBNLTRVND1987 DM X,XX]. Is (or was) there a standard way to present the figure? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Yes, there is a difference. Although DM X,XX should be out of the league, if there ever will be a statistic (is it possible to determine who entered this pub to inform him or her?). I tend to use DMX.XX (according to the general standard?!), but not in the case of the Perry Rhodan magazine, where the established standard was DM X.XX. From my humble beginnings, there will still be some diversions from that rule. Thank you for your open eyes. (I changed the two pubs with a deviation from the standard.) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: If DMX.XX is preferred, I can change the Perry Rhodans of course. When I started with them, there was no German editor active, so I took the way they are presented on the magazines (DM X.XX). I have no problem one way or the other. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:56, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: I think it matters only if there are any statistics planned (and if it is a problem to run those with one or the other format). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:01, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I wouldn't think that a publication or series should have its own standard, but it should be determined by whatever the general consensus was during the years when the Deutsche Mark was used. The price of many US pubs were given in cents but we've determined for the database to convert everything to dollars. Some pubs may have even given a space between the dollar sign and the amount, but that's not the US standard of no spacing after the dollar sign. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Checking several German websites, I see many uses of the comma instead of a period. (See [http://www.chpr.at/sfstory.html Bibliographie deutschsprachiger Science Fiction-Stories und Bücher] which uses the comma throughout, and was the source of several of my own entries.) Is this ever an acceptable alternative? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::: I will always prefer this version (DM X,XX or € X,XX) because it is the common standard für german publications. The price is always written on a german book cover with a comma. Which "general standard" states that you have to use a period? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 22:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Since one goal of entering the price is to run statistics on it, I'd think it is more comfortable or even only possible if there is one standard. I am not sure if there is any actual problem with commas but would say it's at least easier if all prices are entered with one of (comma,point). If it is a problem to have a blank inside: I don't know. Who does? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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(unindent) I think this calls for a general discussion on how to deal with non-English currency. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Information help text] (under '''Price''') sais only ''For books priced in other currencies, use an appropriate symbol'', and to put the symbol before the price. Nothing about periods, commas or spaces. Shall I move this discussion to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions Rules and standards discussions]? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, I think this would be appropriate. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:19, 29 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::The discussion is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Foreign_currency_and_punctuation here]. You are invited to participate. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== incomplete note in Das Science Fiction Jahr 2001? ==<br />
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Hi. I approved your latest additions to {{P|342033|Das Science Fiction Jahr 2001}}, and I noticed an item in the section list in the notes: "◦ Bücher (reviews) pp." seems incomplete. I thought I'd mention it while noticing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll correct it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:02, 2 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #127, #128, #143 interiorart ==<br />
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Hi. Do you have {{P|318460|PR #127}}? I have your interiorart credit change on hold. [http://www.perrypedia.proc.org/wiki/Quelle:PR127 Perrypedia] claims "Themistokles Kanellakis" (the credit you propose changing). I am no Perry Rhodan expert; I just wanted to make sure this isn't a mistaken edit. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Also #128 and #143. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:11, 3 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Marty. I have none of these issues but Willem and I agreed that Kanellakis has to be false. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Magazine_talk:Perry_Rhodan_DE#Early_Themistokles here]. If Johnny Bruck is actual the interior artist remains to be verified, but it is very, very likely, since he draw all interior art at that time (1964), if there was any (and I came across none early issue so far without one). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 3 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, I accepted them. Since this is an assumption and does not match what the only cited source says, I think you should add a note to each about that credit. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Sceptre du hasard ==<br />
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Hello, I approved your sub of this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DHRRSCHFTD1978 here] (then I corrected the french title with hasard not hazard) but IMHO It's not satisfying as it looks like that there are two novels in this book. I think that the german title should simply be made a vt of the french one. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for approving. It was my intention to enter the German title as vt of the French, didn't quite work out. But I'll fix it. For the original french title: the German edition said 'hazard' while Clute's 'Illustrated Encyclopedia of SF' said 'hasard'. Not able to decide the matter, I stuck to the title found in the book. Thank you for correcting it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gérard Klein ==<br />
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I have your proposed pseudonym on hold. I think those two author records should be merged (which I will do, if you agree with me). Do you see a difference between the two names? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
: No, there seems to be no difference. A merge would be perfect, thank you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I found it. The one-work entry is (was) in there as '''Ge&amp;#769;rard Klein''', the other '''Gérard Klein'''. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. Maybe the cryptic Gérard Klein is from an earlier time, when special letters weren't supported as thy are today? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, or perhaps one of the crawling 'bots captured it that way and failed to decode it. I am happy it was easy to figure out, and I expect we will find another instance like it someday and can put the knowledge to good use. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Schwarm ==<br />
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Did the price really not increase between 2004 and 2009? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:You're right, it did. Thank you for your open eye. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks for checking. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone 144 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59019 this issue] but have questions about a couple of changes. You changed the page count from 66 to 68. Most saddle-stapled magazines (like Interzone) should have page counts in multiples of 4. Remember that you should count the covers. Another thing, your entry into the pub format field is not one of the seven choices currently accepted for magazines (see [[Template:PublicationFields:PubFormat|here]]). I admit that this list is not exhaustive, it doesn't include "quarto", Locus's designation for 8 1/2 x 11 saddle-stapled magazines, but I don't believe the field should be used to record dimensions only. Feel free to bring this up for discussion on the Rules and Standards page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi, Michael. In my humble opinion, 68 pages are a bit closer to a multiple of 4 than 66, ;-). The chosen format stems from a verified pub, verified by one person quite close to you (again ;-) ). See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INTZJAN03 INTZJAN03]. But I can change that format: would you say that "quarto" is the format nearest to the dimensions of IZ? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry about the bad math regarding the page count. But I ''know'' I didn't put those dimensions in the record that bears my verification. I can't say how that happened unless another moderator accepted a later submission updating the pub. About "quarto", it appears that most of those who were working on Interzone chose to use the British designation "A4". Even those issues that you verified up through December 1998 (#138). Did the size change in January 1999? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
Yes, with the January, 1999, issue the dimension grew a bit smaller. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:31, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Ask [[User:BLongley]] about the dimension thing. It looks like most of those issues for which he did a secondary verification during those years have the dimensions. I'm going to let the rest of you figure out what the "pub format" field should be (one thing I do know is that it shouldn't be the dimensions). It's ISFDB policy that the fields of verified pub should not be changed without notifying the verifier, so I'm going to remove my verification of Issue #185. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have put the proposed edits to #148 on hold, specifically because the binding/format is supplied as dimensions, which is contrary to current ISFDB standards. I can see that other edits have been accepted with that, but since it didn't get discussed and agreed to, I'm going to hold this one until it's resolved. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:37, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Not only have other edits been accepted with this dimension, but also verified (and I don't mean the one verified by me). For magazines it seems to be fitting in a way to use dimensions, because it gives you a tight description, doesn't it? Anyway, I will ask Hauck about his opinion, too.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, as far as I'm concerned, the only way to be completely precise about the dimensions (which, according to the help seems to be the main caracteristic of the "Pub Format" field for magazines) is to give the precise measures of the copy. For exemple, IZ#100 (I have it just here) is not exactly an A4 format (height is about 1 cm shorter). Add to this the fact that there are some slight variations (it's, as you stated, the case for IZ), so the correct filling of the data field is going to be a chore. (And I won't go into the fact that there is only one official unit of length which is not the inch and on the difficulty of finding an inch-graduated rule in continetal Europe). So personaly I tend to leave this field blank when entering data as there seems to be no real consensus. That is also perhaps why I probably approved some exotic values. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: We're really bad at updating help. I think even "A4" and "A5" were comparatively recent additions, used mostly for British fanzines (which used to be excluded). One more format for magazines shouldn't be too awkward. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:39, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: IMHO there is perhaps already too much formats, for exemple the distinction between Bedsheet (8.5 x 11.25 only in the US) and A4 (8.3 x 11.7) is very slight and liable to cause some confusion for a 0.2 difference. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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The discussion seems to have moved to Rules and Standard Discussions. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I approved the submission as-is, while the discussion rages. Sorry about the delay. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:57, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Zeiter ==<br />
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Hi. I have your submission wanting to make {{T|1228196|this}} ''Der Zeiter'' a variant of {{T|1231221|this one}} on hold. I'm not sure what you intend. Variant relationships are for different attribution (either in title or author's name) of the same work, not for different contents. If the title does not differ and the author attribution does not differ, then making one a variant of the other is not appropriate. When the content differs, you are forced to judge whether the two published forms should be considered the same work or different works. If they are different works, then the author would have two identical titles in the bibliography, and you'd want to put notes in each title to prevent someone else's trying to merge them. Here, where two collections differ by one story included in one and not the other, I would consider them the same work and simply merge the titles. You have covered the small deviation in the note in the publication that's missing the story. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Hello, Marty. If you can merge the two to one, this would be most appreciated. I have put some crap before into the two, marking them as 2 different titles (aka Der Zeiter, 1970, and Der Zeiter, 1973) and tried to undo that. Guess what, it didn't work out. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:20, 19 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I rejected the variant submission and merged them instead. I think what you have there is fine. If you really want to, you could add a note to {{T|1228196}} stating that the collection was re-published in 1973 without "Der Riß im Berg". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:08, 19 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Thank you for merging the unmergeable (at least for me). I will add that note, thanks for suggesting it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Entropische Zyklon ==<br />
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I'm holding a submission from another editor who wants to change the series of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1226193 this title] from 35: Negashpare to #36: Stardust. Is the record correct as entered? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:No. I am afraid that the Zyklus #36 begins only with #2500 of the series. The editor may look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Magazine:Perry_Rhodan_DE the overview page] for further guidance or ask either WillemH or me. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:34, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::The title had #2518. I corrected this to #2418. The submission should be rejected. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:15, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== New Perry Rhodan editor ==<br />
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I accepted submissions adding three new PR titles: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HDNDSMHNND2011 #2578], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?PRRRHDNDRS2011 #2579], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?PRRRHDNHND2011 #2580]. The first was entered as a novel, the other two as magazines. The author of the novel was entered as the editor of the magazines. This contradicts earlier issues. Can you look them over, see if they conform with the other PR issues, and fix them if not? And then talk with the editor [[User Talk:WeAreGray|WeAreGray]] about PR standards? I know absolutely zero about PR and will leave entry concerns to those who do. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the information. We will take over. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Good job. I added one more message to WeAreGray's talkpage, and corrected the new pubs (I can't expect this from you ... yet :-). --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking reviews ==<br />
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I see you're updating the titles under review in Interzone that are not linked. This won't automatically link the reviews to the title records. That only occurs when a review record is created. Once it exists, you have to manually link them to the title record. Click on "Review" which brings up the review record, choose "Link Review to Title" in the editing tools menu, enter the number of the title record in the "Parent #" field and enter. You can get the parent number by going to the book's title record and recording the number after "...cgi-bin/title.cgi?" Let me know if you need assistance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:52, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I think it worked. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Do the titles of the review and the original title of the book have to be identical, or is a part sufficient? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:26, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::They don't have to be identical to link manually, in fact they don't have to match at all. If you want the system to link them at the time the review record is created they have to be identical, every character and space. But as I said above, once the review record is created it's all manual. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== New titles and sourcing data ==<br />
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Can I assume that you will be doing physical verifications of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ZNTRMDRMLC1990 this pub record] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HBSSTRNDMB1988 this one]? Neither submission gave a source for the data, so you must have a copy. Right? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:33, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right, I have copies of the pubs. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:44, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Merging editor records ==<br />
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I approved your submissions. It's not necessary to merge them one at a time, you can do them all in one edit, just select more checkboxes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you, I still keep learning. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:21, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Life gets easier once you achieve moderator status. You can then spot (and correct) your own mistakes. The catch of course is, that you first have to learn most of the tricks (took me a year and a half). --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:56, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone ==<br />
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Hello, I'm in the process of veryfing in second the batch of IZ you've already verified. I'm going to replace the external scans by internal ones and doing some cosmetic changes that I'll try to list here : adding Interaction for #116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 128; replacing _The Mind-Splice_ by _The Mind Splice_ in #117 (per title page); changing a [3] by [2] in the illustrations for _The Rust island_; adding the essay _Party Time_ in #118; replacing Pete Crowther by Peter Crowther (#118); replacing Holly by Molly in Amery's Title in #118; replacing _Thigmoo_ by _ThiGMOO_ as per title page and logic of the story; changing title of Merril's interview in #126; adding article and dropping comma in Langford's story in #126; modifying title of Knight's essay in #127. As I don't know if you're a "touchy" kind of contributor (some like to be informed of every comma displaced in the data they entered), just tell me if you really want to be notified of such small changes. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks for your information. In general, you don't have to inform me about additions I failed to include or mistakes I made. Only if there's something major going on, please ask. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: OK, let's do it that way (I confess it gives me less work as the notification phase is sometimes longer than the correction phase). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone 160-162 ==<br />
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I see you've skipped these issues. Would you like me to update and verify the current records using my copies? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:29, 7 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:You're welcome in this regard by me. But I think that Hauck is currently at work in the year 2000, I have only verified #157 so far. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:51, 7 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I'd thought both of you had skipped these, but Hauck tells me he'd only got up to #159 so far. I'll hold off entering anything and do another primary verification when you guys have finished. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:07, 7 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Pandemonium ==<br />
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The date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346059 this record] should be zeroed out unless you have more concrete evidence of the publication date. We try to record what's stated in the book, and then fall back on secondary sources for any missing information. Purchase date isn't a good indicator of publication date. You can give your estimated date within the pub notes until something more concrete comes along. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:47, 8 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, that sounds reasonable. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:56, 9 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Notes" by PKD ==<br />
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Concerning your submission crediting two additional authors for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?118797 this work]: It seems strange to me that this ambiguous title appears in 21 (!) different pubs, 8 of them verified. I can't see any circumstance in which all of the books contains the same set of "notes". It appears that someone merged all of them into this one record, probably because those who initially entered them into each of the pub records failed to disambiguate the title. I think we should hold off updating this title record until we've determined the extent to which the "notes" are the same. That's going to involve cooperation between you, the verifier of the Gollancz editions, and Bill Longley, who verified the Millennium editions. I can see no clearer way to do this than to delete this record from all 21 pubs and start from scratch. What do you think? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:30, 16 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:According to Locus1, none of the notes that originally appeared in the source publications (the Underwood-Miller editions) were credited. Even [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1257285 this one] which is credited to Dick, Rickman and Williams in your verified record but doesn't appear in Bill Longley's record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228545 the paperback reprint]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:38, 16 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I will reject the submission because the changes may not apply to every publication of the title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:28, 16 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Ahasuerus is currently testing a fix I proposed that means unmerging content titles should no longer lose length or page numbers. If it works, then unmerging all 21 and retitlng and remerging as necessary should be OK. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:32, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Good. I didn't know such a fix was possible, but glad to hear that it's being worked on. It would save tons of work necessary to straighten out this situation (and many others that may occur down the road.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: Oh, and I'm happy to recheck the PKD books I verified in 2007. I think I even know which room and bookcase they can be found on now! :-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:36, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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What I'd done was this: I found the "Notes" in different pubs that all turned out to be part of Dick's Collected Stories, though the pubs beared different names/titles. Since Rickman and Williams are mentioned in every of the five introductions to the Notes in the Gollancz edition as responsible for the chronology, I decided for my edit. I would have found it nicer to mark them individually as in: Notes (The Father-Thing), but found that this wasn't possible, because all five of them were denoted as 'Notes' and verified/uneditable. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:The question is: are Rickman and Williams credited for the notes too or are the chronology and the notes the same work? In any case, all of them will have to be unmerged before we make any changes in any of them. Once that is done, they must be disambiguated parenthetically by adding the title of the collection. After that we can determine how they're credited. If the books don't actually credit them, they should we credited to "uncredited". I'll leave that up to those of you who have the actual books. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:13, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have removed all but the verified pubs that were linked to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?118797 this content record]. It's in your and Bill's hands to do the rest. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I see you've been able to remove all of the Notes from the Gollancz editions and that you've created new records for four of the five books giving Rickman and Williams co-credit (only ''Beyond Lies the Wub'' credits Dick). I did the same for the Underwood-Miller editions but credited the notes only to Dick, based on the Locus1 listing. Above you say Rickman and Williams are credited for the chronology in the Notes introductions. That doesn't seem to explicitly credit them with the writing of the notes, only the order in which they appear. Or have I mistaken your meaning here? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: My apologies, I missed the update here. I'll go have a look at my Verifications in a day or two. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Rickman and Williams did write the chronology of the stories: when and where they were published (that's not such a formidable task), but more importantly, when they probably were written and when they were received by Scott Meredith's agency. Thanks to them it's possible to put into context a story published in 1959 but already written in 1953. And no doubt they digged the so far unpublished stories (i.e. 'Stability') and dated them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I missed your response and only thought about checking back now. Despite your explanation, I must respectfully disagree that Rickman and Williams should be credited as co-authors of the notes. I'm not denying or denigrating the value of their work, but they did what thousands of uncredited editors do. I don't have the books, but on the first page of the notes (from a Google snippet) I see that the editors state that "All notes in italics are by Philip K. Dick" and "...research for this chronology was done by Gregg Rickman and Paul Williams". In other words, they didn't write the notes and credit themselves as the editors of the notes. The Google preview doesn't go into further pages of the notes, so I'm not sure if there are any ''unitalicized'' notes, meaning notes that were not written by Dick. Are there any? If so, I would drop any objection to the editors being credited.<br />
:I think our biggest disagreement here is how the role of editor should be credited. Unfortunately, there is no separate field for the editor role in the ISFDB software. If there were, we would not be having this discussion. My conclusion is to drop the matter and let you as the verifier of the pubs have the final say. I only ask that you not merge these title records with those of other publications of the same titles, whether they're verified or not. Perhaps you can continue the discussion with Bill Longley who has verified the Millennium reprints. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:29, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::The role of the editor is not the biggest disagreement. I'd say the disagreement is mainly in the definition of a note. As you cite correctly, "All notes in italics are by Philip K. Dick". But: About half of the text of every of the five volumes isn't in italics, and that is the part of the notes that was written by Rickman and Williams. In 'The Father-Thing', for example, a typical entry is: NULL-O ("Loony Lemuel") 8/31/53. If, Dec 1958. (No italics: no comment or note by Dick).<br />
::So you get the information of a) the title of the story, b) an alternative title, c) the date, when the manuscript was received by SMLA, and d) date and magazine of eventual first publication.<br />
::Of the 23 shortfictions in this particular volume, only five have notes by PKD (and even these have - naturally - additions in regular typing).<br />
::So, I would differentiate the Notes into comments by PKD (on one side) and information on publication on the other side. This view would lead automatically to the addition of Rickman and Williams as co-authors. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:46, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::So don't we basically agree that the Notes, as few as they were, were written by PKD? A chronological listing of titles that gives dates and sources of publication is very close to the acknowledgements page found in hundreds of publications. That's what an editor does. The typical entry that you've provided makes it even more clear (at least to me) that Rickman and Williams are not the co-authors of the notes. They created a list which acknowledges the original publication of the stories with occasional notes from previously published sources by PKD himself. If you want to see story notes written by an editor check out any of the volumes that Paul Williams edited of ''The Complete Stories of Theodore Sturgeon''. I'll leave it at that as it appears we're not going to come to any agreement. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:19, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:1) Again the question, what to make of the two kinds of notes, one being the comments by Dick, the other being the notes on publication. Why should only one be credited?<br />
:2) Yes, you are right: It is the job of the editor to supply information on publication of the texts, and normally this is given on the copyright page(s), and we don't take notification of it. But this is not the case with the Collected Stories of PKD. We have a considerable amount of text in the Notes (at least half of it) that was not written by Dick and that he can't be credited for. So the authors who are credited in the opening paragraph for this text should be held responsible for it, I think.<br />
:3) And as I check the book again: Dick is only credited for the notes as Rickman and Williams are - in the introductory note at the beginning of Notes. At least that's the case in the Gollancz edition, this may vary in other editions. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:42, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking reviews ==<br />
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Review records can only be linked to title records, not pub records. It appears you wanted to link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1258452 this review] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344291 this pub (#344291)]. Instead you linked it to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?344291 this title record (#344291)]. I've linked the review to the correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28349 title record], so you can reject the submission on your side. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:06, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, will do so. Thanks for the clearance, ever learning. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== price ==<br />
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Should the currency on the price in {{P|292311|Der letzte Tag der Schöpfung}} be "DM"? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:09, 19 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
: No, I am afraid not. That one is a pub from the last days of the GDR and as far as I know they called their currency only 'Mark', so M seems to be appropriate (as I haven't found any other pubs from that deceased country). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Sounds good to me. I was just making sure it wasn't a typo. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:33, 20 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Pages ==<br />
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In my copy of this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?292253 Das Cusanus-Spiel] there are only 703 pages. Typo or two different publications? 13:48, 20 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I did look it up and the pub had an edit with 703 pages, or did you change it already? Anyway, you are right. Thanks for your open eye. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan: Jupiter ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I approved your "Perry Rhodan: Jupiter" edits, but then moved them to a new subseries of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27234 Perry Rhodan Universe] I called it "Perry Rhodan: Jupiter", but you can change the title of course. The parent series should i.m.o. not be used for individual stories, but only for the sub-series. What do you think? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 17:28, 21 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I completely approve your edit. Although, there are quite a few solo pubs: Foremost I am thinking of some novels from the early 2000s (the years) by the likes of Frank Borsch ('Fleisch der Erinnerung'), which weren't part of a sub-series. They are not yet entered but eventually will. There also were some illustrated books (i.e. 'PR Weltraumatlas'). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Thomas Schluck = Thomas Schlück ==<br />
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I rejected the submission making the pseudonym and merged the records under one name. It appears to me that the lack of diacritical marks is a typesetter's choice, not an authorial or editorial one. All but one of the letters appeared in pubs that I had verified, so I chose to change them to the corrected German spelling of the name. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: OK, you're the verifier but I have to disagree that "Thomas Schluck = Thomas Schlück". Search for the former and you won't find the latter. (In fact, in Advanced search you don't seem to find ''either''.) Definitely software problems, but ones we might have to work around for now. By the way, can anyone say if "Agentur Thomas Schlück" is the same person? I have no German skills but it looks like "Agentur" means "Agency" which would make it a company rather than an artist. (I don't like putting companies in the Cover Artist field as that makes us treat them like real human beings.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:33, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Is there any software that can give the results for either name? Why does "Philip José Farmer" come up in the current software when I search for "jose" or "Élisabeth Vonarburg" when I search for "elisabeth"? Can the software be changed so that the a search that includes "u" results in names that contain the umlauted "u"? I don't know why some letters with diacritical marks are treated differently than others. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I suspect that our current software ''could'' do better on searches if we configured the MySQL implementation better. Remember, we currently have a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Variants_based_on_diacriticals SWEDISH search]! It would be/will be one of the biggest changes we could make and so far nobody seems willing to risk it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Since Schluck and Schlück are the same person, it makes sense to make them one author. Agentur Thomas Schlück is in fact an agency owned by Schlück, but since he isn't an artist, it wouldn't make sense to credit him as person for the art. So the agency should remain as an entry of its own in my opinion. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:56, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: I'd move it to Notes and leave the Artist field for the human being that actually did the Art - but it's not my Verification so I won't interfere. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:12, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Same here. I personally do not credit corporations or agencies, and have just left the field blank (now artists' co-ops and studios are different). I've seen cover art credited to film studios! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: One of the things I've deliberately NOT done in the proposed Moderator Data Clean-Up Searches is to make exceptions for websites or agencies in the Cover artist field - I've allowed Doctors to keep their " M.D." or ", Ph.D." suffixes for instance, but any Mod using such will keep being nagged about "N.A.S.A." or ".com" entries. A subtle protest that will easily be overturned if another developer disagrees and Ahasuerus prefers it, but it's all I'm doing for now. I don't want to abuse my Developer status and already worry about abusing my Moderator status. (I normally let disagreements fizzle out on the Wiki pages.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:02, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I didn't enter one of the pubs with either Agentur Schlück or Agentur Thomas Schlück. Since in one of them an actual cover artist is credited (John Harris) it would seem appropriate to delete it. But the verifier (Phileas) hasn't answered on his talk page since May 2010. Do you know anything about his whereabouts and/or how to proceed in such a case? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:29, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've no idea where he is now, but I hope he's OK. (We've had Editors die on us before.) But certainly after such a long absence I'd make the change and leave a message, rather than wait for a message to be answered. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:10, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Change approved, but the Publication Update was enough: the Cover Update was automatic. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:54, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry-Rhodan-Lexikon ==<br />
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In your last bunch of edits (all aproved) you palaced "Folge 298" in parentheses in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1261854 this title]. I assumed you meant to remove the parenteses for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1261853 Folge 297] (makes more sense i.m.o., and surely makes Heidrun Scheer's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?153609 bio page] look better), so I removed them from both titles. Can you re-submit if the edit was intentional? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 17:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:My edit was intentional: I looked up on perrypedia the article on the Lexikon, and according to that the numbering was forgotten for these two 'Folgen'. I'll submit it again. By the way, wasn't these the issues you guessed that they were published within one week? What has been your clue in this? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:59, 25 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Re-submissions accepted. Thanks for the explanation, and indeed, those were the two. It was you who set me on the trail of the wrong publication dates actually, noticing the date on #650. I checked back from #650 until I found [http://www.perrypedia.proc.org/wiki/Quelle:PR578 #578] and [http://www.perrypedia.proc.org/wiki/Quelle:PR579 #579], both published on September 29, 1972 according to Perrypedia. Later there were some other moves in the publication day (friday to tuesday to thursday and back to tuesday). I hope I have the correct data in my spreadsheet now, but if you see other inconsistencies, please tell me. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:57, 25 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyond This Horizon anthology ==<br />
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According to your notes, Helmut Wenske's name is misspelled throughout [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4421 the book]. If so, the record should reflect that, with variants made for the correct name. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:43, 25 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: In this or similar cases I'd say that it is not a pseudonym. Does a mere misspelling really justify the installation of a deviant name? Most likely the editor read about Wenskes work in German, when it would have been Wenske's work in English, and assumed that Wenskes was the surname. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:07, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::The average reader, picking up the book for the first time, would have no reason to believe the author's name is misspelled. If they searched for it on the ISFDB, they wouldn't find it, and correctly assume that the record was in error and would try to correct it. I can see no other way around the problem. What would you suggest otherwise? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:15, 27 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::In this case it's not important if it's a misspelling or if it's intentional or not. The rules of the ISFDB are ''The name should be entered exactly as it actually appeared in the publication. This includes pseudonyms, abbreviated names ("I. Asimov" instead of "Isaac Asimov", "Robert Heinlein" instead of "Robert A. Heinlein"), etc. As with the title, take the name from the title page in preference to the cover or spine of the book. However in a collection or anthology, take the author for individual stories, essays, and other short content from that listed at the start of the story or essay, if such a listing is present and differs from the table of contents or title page.'' See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#General_contents here] under author. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 16:26, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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OK, the arguments of yours have turned around my opinion and I will succumb :-) .[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:19, 27 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== PKD: In His Own Words ==<br />
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In your submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256926 this pub] you overwrote the container title record with the record for Rickman's introduction. If I accept the submission, it will wipe out the pub's link to its title record, and someone will have to go back in and create a new container title record. If I reject the submission, all the new content records will have to be recreated in another submission. Which would you prefer? (I'd personally go for the first as it would be simpler that the latter.) Rule of Thumb: Never overwrite a content record when updating a pub record unless you're absolutely certain how the changes will affect this pub and others. If you're not certain, create a set of fields for a new content record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:49, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, ashes on my head. I thought about that possibility (that I made a serious mistake) only after submitting (in fact only when I lay in bed), but decided it was too late for any correction. Thanks for giving me a choice on the matter: I would prefer the first possibility, too. In future submissions I will take more care. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:18, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've accepted the submission, but before we make any corrections, I'll let you take a look at the results. Looking at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256926 the pub record], you'll see that there is no title reference (the link that goes back to a pub's title record). If you click on the second content item ("1 • Philip K. Dick: An Introduction • essay by Gregg Rickman") you'll be led back to the original [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103373 title record] but now updated. The reviews and awards that were linked the original title record are now attached to the record for Rickman's introduction. It's going to take a few submissions to correct the problem. Would you like to try and would you prefer that I fix it? If you want to try yourself, the first submission would update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103373 this title record] back to its original state. Change the title back to ''Philip K. Dick: In His Own Words'' and make the title type "NONFICTION". Then just update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256926 the pub record] adding a new entry for the introduction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 13:31, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I'll try to fix it. Thank you for your help. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:46, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::It looks in good shape now. Thanks. (I've been out of town the last couple of days and am trying to catch up on any issues I may have left hanging.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== SF Almanach 1981 ==<br />
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Your note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349099 this record] gives the author as "Elisabeth E. Lynn" while the content record is given as "Elizabeth E. Lynn". I need verification before approving the submission making a pseudonym of the name. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:13, 7 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Elizabeth it is. Thanks for keeping an eye. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Darwins Welt ==<br />
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I'm not sure that this would be eligible for inclusion in the database. It doesn't appear to be spec-fic related, and is written by authors who have only one piece of fiction in the database. Do you have a stronger case for its inclusion? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Two cases for inclusion: a) a review of this title in Das Science Fiction Jahr, and b) that I plan to edit their Collected Works into the database, which contains some of the strongest examples of Science Fiction in Germany. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:55, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Good enough. Submission accepted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #745: Die Letzten der Koltonen ==<br />
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I suspect [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349826 this] may be #744. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Sure, you are right. I changed the title record, thanks. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Place of birth ==<br />
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Just a note that cities/towns are entered based the way they were known when the person was born. Thus {{A|Stanislaw Lem}}'s birthplace is listed as "Lwów, Poland" rather than "Lviv" or "Lemberg". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:10, 14 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you, I wasn't sure about that point, so I decided to put both names in. I'll try to improve on my edits. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:12, 15 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing an anthology record to a magazine ==<br />
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You'll now have to change the original title records of each of the anthologies into editor records. At the same time you have to place the series data back into the record. (You didn't have to remove the series data from those records as they would have automatically became editor series.) Let me know if you need help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:10, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:First, I will try my luck (and then maybe need some help). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Looks good. If you want this title to appear on its own magazine grid, you have to place the editor records of each issue into a series (as I mentioned above, this could have been done with one submission per title.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:22, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Dick poem ==<br />
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I moved the note you added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1280721 this record] from the synopsis field to the note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:20, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you. Perhaps it is time to come to an end for today. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Breaks before a note ==<br />
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I'm not understanding why you're placing a line break before notes. When they're displayed (as in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1280722 this case]), they don't line up with the "'''Note:'''". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I guess it became a habit. I think it better to have the notes aligned when there are more than one, but if there is only one it is in fact surplus. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Nova ==<br />
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I had to disambiguate the series name, because one by the same name already exists. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:41, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Unter Meinem Dach ==<br />
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Is the cover art credit in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352007 this pub] correct? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:46, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, this is the 'cover artist' stated on the copyright page. I'll upload the image, so you may see that it is not a painting. It'd be possible to give the name of the two people who ran the publisher instead, though. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:54, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Many publishers copyright their in-house covers but we normally don't credit the company in the artist field unless a specific person is named. I know you'll find corporate entities given credit in ISFDB, but I don't think it's a good standard to follow. I will usually record such credits in the note field. There hasn't been much discussion about this, nor do I believe that's an established rule about it. (You shouldn't give the names of the publishers unless they're specifically credited, which '''is''' the ISFDB standard.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:46, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Die Negane Stadt" edit ==<br />
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Hi. Your submission for updating {{T|1232914|Die Negane Stadt}} made no changes. I accepted it, but I can't tell what you intended, so I don't know whether the title is now the way you want it to be or not. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Something was wrong on Saturday in parts of the db: at least for the Perry Rhodan issues it seemed it was the state of two or three months ago. But at editing this issue I wasn't sure about that. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:28, 9 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Title page credit vs. copyright ==<br />
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Who is credited on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20254 Letters from Home]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:02, 11 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:As editor: nobody. The title page only says: 'Letters from Home' (over) Stories by Pat Cadigan, Karen Joy Fowler, Pat Murphy (over) The Women's Press. As another indication for Lefanu the copyright page also says: Sarah Lefanu would like to give special thanks to Uwe Luserke for his enthusiastic help in initiating this project. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Anthologies without editor credit should be "uncredited" unless the authors are named on the title page, in which case the anthology is credited to them. The [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/24900277 OCLC record] credits the three authors. I believe the record should remain as credited. I'll keep the submission on hold if you wish to start a discussion on the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Just hold it a little longer, because I think it's an interesting case of known editor given in the copyrights vs. editor not stated on the title page. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:14, 12 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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(Unindent) It looks like I accidentally (momentary lapse of reason?) approved your edit of this pub before I saw the Rules and Standards discussion. It should i.m.o. have been put on hold during the discussion, to prevent mistakes like this. I changed the credits back to the way they were originally (replaced Sarah LeFanu with the three authors). I agree with Michael Hutchins on this, if you're sure Sarah LeFanu is the editor, and there's no explicit credit it should be entered as by "uncredited", a pseudonym of Sarah LeFanu and the three authors should stay in (only my opinion). Sorry about the trouble. Please take another look and re-submit. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:17, 23 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:To credit our hero 'uncredited' with this anthology would be fine for me, since actually nobody is credited anywhere in the book (Sarah Lefanu would be i.m.o. the only reasonable person, but Michael and you are right that this would be a deduction). I'll wait for the submit until tomorrow, though, for any second thoughts. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:24, 24 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Stray Kurt Brand titles ==<br />
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As an editor familiar with Perry Rhodan, you might be able to help me decide what to do with the shortfiction titles on {{A|Kurt Brand}}'s summary page. None of the seven titles have a publication associated with them. I'm thinking that the titles may have been removed from US printings of the magazine version and varianted into the German publications but I can't find anything that matches. Do you think they should they be deleted? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:09, 18 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:A printed bibliography of Brand's work led to no clue, although the one title with 'Thomas Cardif' in it seem to suggest that it is part of the Perry Rhodan Universe but I can't find anything that matches, either, so from my p.o.v. it'd be okay to delete them. In the worst case they have to be entered anew. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Proposed 3-way merge of "The Psychologist Who Wouldn't Do Awful Things to Rats" art ==<br />
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Hi. I have your proposed merge of:<br />
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on hold. The first two have Racoona Sheldon as the artist, but the third has James Tiptree, Jr. Also, that third one is the parent of the first one. Perhaps you meant to merge just the first two Sheldon ones? Or am I missing something? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi, Marty. I thought this was the right thing to do, since it said on the Tiptree author page that this artwork only appeared under the name Raccoona Sheldon. If this was false or led to undesired results, than I do want to merge only the two Sheldon titles. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::When merging, you usually should only merge titles where the title text and author credits are identical. If either of those things is different, you should make a variant (the rare exception is when one of the titles/credits is wrong, and you mean for it to be eliminated). Here, Sheldon is a pseudonym for Tiptree. While the artwork only ever appeared as by Sheldon, we make it a variant of the same title credited instead to the author's canonical name so that it appears in the canonical author's bibliography display. That display annotates each title ("also as by" means it appeared credited to the canonical name and to the cited name; "only as by" means it never appeared credited to the canonical name, just to the cited name; no annotation means it only appeared credited to the canonical name). Anytime we have a title credited to a pseudonym, we make that title a variant of a parent title credited to the canonical author, regardless of whether the work ever appeared credited to that canonical name. Does that make sense? It's definitely confusing.... I will reject your merge and merge just the two Sheldon titles. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:17, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thank you. I see that it makes sense to feature a work under the canonical name also and not only under the pseudonym. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:35, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Susan Schwartz ==<br />
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I'm holding the submission adding an essay by Susan Schwartz to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352900 this pub] pending the response to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:BLongley#Excerpt_in_Mind_Meld this inquiry]. It appears to be the only extant record for "Susan Schwartz" as a pseudonym for Susan Shwartz. Once that's determined we can decide if the author of your essay has to be disambiguated. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:In fact, it is not a pseudonym for Susan Shwartz but for the German author Uschi Zietsch. That is why WillemH.(I think) introduced the notation (3-8-1961) for disambiguation. She had quite a few novellas in the German Perry Rhodan series, none of them already entered. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It ''was'' a pseudonym because there was a record by Shwartz in the database which was incorrectly credited as "Schwartz". Now that the record's been corrected there is no reason to disambiguate her names as "Susan Schwartz (3-8-1961"). It can be entered simply as "Susan Schwartz" and then you can make it into a pseudonym for Uschi Zietsch and variant the title record. I'll accept the submission and let you make the corrections. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:08, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hey, thank you, that's even better. I will submit the necessary edits. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:52, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "An All-Day Poem" in ''The Right Way to Figure Plumbing'' ==<br />
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Should Disch's "An All-Day Poem" be a POEM instead of an OMNIBUS, in your proposed content addition to ''The Right Way to Figure Plumbing''? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:59, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Uh, yeah, I guess so: 14 pages are a little short for an OMNIBUS. Oh damn, how did that happen again? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:11, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::The choices are next to each other in the menu. It is easy to choose the wrong one. I accepted the submission and changed the type. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Search for Philip K. Dick'' ==<br />
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I have looked up this book in OCLC and corrected the number of pages. Also, when library catalogs put "c1995" in the date field, they are referring to the copyright date. Copyright dates are not always the same as publication dates, so I documented what we know in Notes. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, thank ''you'' for expanding my knowledge on library catalogs. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Science Fiction Eye #2 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194321 this pub], but made a couple of changes. Page count was changed based on ISFDB standards for magazine entry (with an adjustment of the note in the note field). The title of the book reviewed by Ted White was changed from "Only Apparently..." (the review's title) to ''Only Apparently Real: The World of Philip K. Dick'', and then linked to that book's title record. Thanks for adding the interior art credits which was not a priority when I added the pub four years ago. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #603: Planet der Ritterspiele ==<br />
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I added the CID (image data and license tag) to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Scan10002.jpg this image]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Sex and the Black Machine" by Aldiss ==<br />
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I've added a cover image to your verified record of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?336858 this pub]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Russ letter ==<br />
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Is the date that you appended to the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?960693 this record] the actual title as presented in the publication? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes it has the date from 1984. It is not actually stated in the introduction, but it seems to be published for the first time in 1995 (no earlier publication indicated). Sorry for the late answer, I have been on a short vacation over the long weekend here in Germany. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Herbert W. Franke's Der Auftrag ==<br />
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You verified {{P|353522|this pub}} which contains {{T|1058159|Der Auftrag}} (1960 ss) and {{P|353734|this pub}} which contains {{T|1289884|Der Auftrag}} (1982 nt). Is the second one an expansion of the first? Or are these actually the same? Thanks. --[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 17:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I would treat it as a different work of fiction, since the later work was written as a radio play. Are you further interested if it is actually adapted from the earlier short story? In this case I'd have to read the play. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:19, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Nope, that's fine. Thanks. --[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 23:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Unendliche Grenzen ==<br />
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I added a cover image, and corrected the ISBN number, for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337630 verified copy] of this publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Michael Marrak'' by Lord Gamma...or ''Lord Gamma'' by Michael Marrak? ==<br />
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The author and title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354205 this record] appear to be reversed. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:12, 6 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right. I made a corrected submission. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::The note on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354232 this record] says there's no given series, yet it was placed into one. What does the note mean? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I intended the meaning that neither a series editor nor a title editor were given. Should I make it more clear in the note?[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 21:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, adding that extra "editor" after series makes a whole new meaning. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Ypsilon minus ==<br />
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Re the update to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1289887 this title]: We consider a novel's title date to be the date of its first book publication, regardless of a previously published serialization. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, I changed it back. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:10, 10 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Synopsis or note field ==<br />
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You've made a few title record updates in the past hour or so that records a story's first appearance. Some have been placed in the Synopsis field and others in the Note field. Given a choice, I think they should be placed in the title record's Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:15, 10 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, you're right. In the title edit screen the synopsis field is so huge that I don't see the note field at once. Will do my best to avoid this fault. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Moloch'', by Peter Crowther ==<br />
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I added a cover image, from Amazon, to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337737 verified copy] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 03:29, 13 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you, I must have missed out on this one (and the other Crowther edited anthology).[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== SF Eye #11 ==<br />
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Update of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60352 this pub] was accepted, but I wonder about the "c"s that start the note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:16, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::They must have crept in via the paste & copy edit. I'll change it.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I also accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60357 #9] but gave the more complete title to Westfahl's essay as it appears on the story's title page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:54, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's fine. Anyway, I wonder if it is more an essay or a story; I tend to the first. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Dr. Ihoka's Cure ==<br />
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Please re-check the ISBN for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354572 this publication]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I re-checked and it remains the same, and I can't find it in the Library of Congress Online Catalog. It remains a mystery. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Because it's not a valid ISBN, I've placed "#" before it to avoid the error message, and made a note to that effect in the note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Public Eye'' ==<br />
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I added more info from the OCLC record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354573 this publication]. Also changed the binding to "hc". All Abebooks.com dealers give this ISBN as hardcover. If the SF Eye review gives it as "tp", perhaps they may have reviewed the ARC. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:39, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:No, tp was a guess by me, deducted (wrongly) from the price. There should be given a type of binding by the editor of ISFDB, shouldn't it? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::In 1990, $20 was a typical hardcover price. And to answer your question about a source of the binding, did you state in your original submission that the binding was guessed by the ISFDB editor? :) I've added Abebooks.com dealers as the source for the binding. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:13, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== PR 1024 ==<br />
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I'm holding what appears to be a duplicate submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354335 this publication]. Can you verify that all the changes you wanted is in the current record? If I accept the submission, all of the contents will be duplicated, which would involve a lot of removing and deleting of content records. I don't know how this happened, but it appears to be a system glitch. The first submission and its acceptance isn't even showing up on the list of Recent Integrations, even though the pub appears to be updated. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:When I look at the pub there's only the novella by H. G. Francis as content. Maybe this won't be so in an hour. I propose to try it again, I'll leave a message so that you could accept the submission (or not). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Try refreshing your cache. My view of the record shows 17 content records and the cover image. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, now my view is up to date, too. This is the complete set of contents. Please reject the double, thanks.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Der Auftrag" by Herbert W. Franke ==<br />
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You've verified two records that appear to be different stories with this title. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1058159 first] (1960) is only three pages long, and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1289884 second] (1982) is 40 pages long. Are they related? We'll probably need to disambiguate them or place something in their title record's note field so that another editor won't come alone and merge them. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Will do so. The later one is a radio play, so I'll add this information.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Date for ''Stadt wischen den Planeten'' ==<br />
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I changed the date on {{P|231557|this pub}} from 1960-00-06 to 1960-06-00. I apologize if that's not correct. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:33, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'm sorry, but it is not correct. I intended this date only for the correct display of the pub. series, but don't be afraid, I will submit anew.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, I see. You should at least include a note about why the date is the way it is. I know one editor/moderator in the past has done something similar with using the day of the date to indicate a printing. I don't agree with the practice, as I think the date should just be the date and not have any other meaning. But I don't know what our actual policy is, so I will leave those edits for a moderator who knows better. But if you're trying to fix the order in the Publisher Series, all you need to do to get it to sort properly is to zero-pad the shorter numbers. For example, the sorting (if they all have the same date) is "Z 10", "Z 13", "Z 4", but would be "Z 04", "Z 10", "Z 13". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:44, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh, thank you, didn't know that. But with a little help from my friends it is so much easier (if I would stress my brain a little bit, there ''could'' creep out some equally good ideas). I will gladly use your proposal in the future. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::If you'd like, I can accept the submissions, change the dates to "-00", and change the series numbers to 02, 04, 06.... If you want them to be that way, it is faster for me to do it. Let me know. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:05, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::That'd be a fine doing. Thank you very much! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?551 doing] is done. See what you think. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] <br />
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:Great! Looks a lot better, without compromising the date field. Thank you! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:37, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Das Science Fiction Jahr Ausgabe 1990 ==<br />
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I see that you've dated several of the reviews in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354252 year book] prior to this book's publication. I'm assuming these are translations of earlier published reviews and you gave them the date of their original publication. Does the book acknowledge the source of the original publications? If so, it would be nice to record that info in the note field of the review's title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hilfe aus Zeit und Raum ==<br />
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After approving the changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1297421 ''Hilfe aus Zeit und Raum''], I noticed that we now have two 792s in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28663 ''PR Zyklus 12: Die Aphilie'']. Could you please double check? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for your open eye. It had to be #791 in one case and I submiited the correction.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:48, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Heyne Science Fiction [& Fantasy] ==<br />
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Should the publisher series on {{P|355695|Zwei von Ihnen}} be [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?252 Heyne Science Fiction] instead of a new, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?716 Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy]? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I did see you added some others to that new series, so never mind.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #2486: Wispern des Hyperraums ==<br />
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I noticed that you didn't change the language to German in the submission of this issue. Are you aware of the change in software that allows the submitter to set the language of the publication? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I forgot to mention, this can only be done when adding new publications. The newly created title record gets the language designation, not the pub record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Oh, I seem to have not recognized this feature when entering the last pubs. I'll gladly use it in the future.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Updates to ''Foundation'' ==<br />
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Thanks for updating the stub issues that I entered of this title. What is the source for your data? Also, I see you're adding the issue number to the title field, which is good because they're more known by issue number than by date of publication. I also noticed that you're placing commas both before and after the issue number. Was that intentional? When we updated ''Interzone'' from the date only title to the issue number & date title, we placed a comma after the title with only a space between issue number and date. Do you think we should be consistent or that this title should be handled differently? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, it seems I remembered falsely the format of IZ titles with two commas - better to check it out before editing.<br />
:I found that the price information I added is only the price for a one year subscription. There is only a price for single back issues mentioned (not for the topical issue), but this price may be a reduced price. Should I enter this price with a remark in the notes?<br />
:I enter from the actual issues of Foundation. No. 15 is the earliest I have, and I have no complete run (#20 is missing, for example). But I own the most issues up to around #50.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have a few issues myself, and it looks like I avoided the price issue entirely. We should probably only give the subscription price in the note field and leave the price field blank (when or if an individual price is ever stated, not a back issue price.)<br />
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::I'm holding a submission that adds over two dozen more reviews to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293933 Issue #15], which seems to be pretty full as is. I think there may have been a conflict in timing, as several reviews are duplicated in the new submission. Also the cover URL is in the cover artist field. Do you want me to accept the submission? If so, you'll have to remove and delete about a dozen duplicate records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, please, accept it. Better to remove and change a bit than to enter them anew. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Submission accepted. Remember, once you've dropped the records from the pub, you'll also have to delete each one. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I still don't get why these double submissions occurred. Somehow it seems that after p. 94 (review of Aldiss' Last Orders) the mistake happened, because it was twice there but Aldiss wasn't mentioned as author in the first of them and after that page there was only one of each title. Mysterious, mysterious. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::If you entered partial contents in a previous submission, it's possible that in your second submission you updated from a version in your browser's cache, and not from the record in the database that you'd already updated with partial contents. (The previously entered contents may not even be visible on the page.) Whenever I'm entering a publication with many content records and have split the entry into several submissions, I always make sure I go directly to the database record, and not mistakenly use the browser's back button (although I admit doing that more than once and winding up in the same position as you are now.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Recent Integrations list shows a submission that updated the record last night [2011-06-26 21:44:56 1637185 - PubUpdate Stonecreek Mhhutchins Foundation, #15, January 1979] and then today [2011-06-27 13:20:21 1637683 - PubUpdate Stonecreek Mhhutchins Foundation, #15 January 1979]. I can't tell what each of them consists of, but the scenario I gave above is not likely because of the number of hours between the two submissions. So that still leaves the doubled contents a mystery. <br />
::A few years ago there was a period when I was getting many duplicate submissions, which I narrowed down to a mouse that double clicked when I didn't want it to. It got to the point that I was so paranoid that I never used the mouse to click on the submit button, but used the keyboard's "Enter" button instead. I got into the habit and 90% of the time I still don't click submit! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:37, 27 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, it may be the mouse. Normally I also use the Enter button. In the first session (2011-06-26) I entered only the feature articles and a few reviews, and in the second session I submitted the rest of the reviews. But on the other side my keyboard has the 'ability' to fix on a button (for example getting 'vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv' when using the Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v combination. Still another mystery is why the addition of the review of Aldiss' Last Orders was accepted without the author of the book. But now on to rectify Foundation #15.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Hm, that sounds like a bug since it shouldn't be possible to create a pub with an author-less review. There were some problems in this area a while back, but I thought I had them resolved. Perhaps not... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: There are definitely oddities still. I don't think it's down to the submitter - the XML looks good. However, if the ''approver'' doesn't get the whole thing approved in '''one''' attempt, then there may be a ''partial'' update that gets through and then the ''second'' attempt at approval duplicates all the bits that got through before the failure. For Techies: check "MyISAM" versus "INNODB". If I'm right, I can't see any way around this except to build in proper transaction processing, which is a massive task. :-( [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Books Received ==<br />
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Hi, I changed "Books Received February 1998" to "1999" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59046 this] issue of Interzone. [[User:Jonschaper|Jonschaper]] 05:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Author initials ==<br />
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I approved the changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?329362 ''The Lunatics of Terra''] and then changed "JT Lindroos" to "J. T. Lindroos". This is a somewhat grey area and Help is ambiguous on the subject:<br />
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*Initials should normally be entered followed by a period and a space as "Gordon R. Dickson" or "K. D. Wentworth", even if period or space is omitted in the publication. However, when it is clearly the author's choice to omit the period, or when the author has a single letter name that is not an initial (e.g. "Harry S Truman") the period should be omitted. In the very rare case where an author prefers two (or more) initials as if they were a name (such as "TG Theodore"), without period or space, and is so credited, we follow the author's preference. A possible clue to such cases occurs when most authors have initials shown with period and space, but a particular author is handled differently in a magazine or anthology. Checking other sources, such as a Wikipedia article or the author's web site, is a good idea. Such non-standard forms should be mentioned in a publication or title note.<br />
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As an aside, we should really clarify Help to explain that this rule was originally put in place so that we wouldn't have to create pseudonyms when publishers try to get fancy, e.g. "robert a heinlein" instead of "Robert A. Heinlein". The "author preferences" clause was an afterthought to account for authors who consistently use a non-standard form of their name, a different issue.<br />
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In this case, we already had a {{A|J. T. Lindroos}} Summary page and the artist's [http://jtlindroos.carbonmade.com/about Web page] suggests that he uses both forms of the name, although "JT Lindroos" seems to be preferred. I think we'll want to stick with "J. T. Lindroos" for now and see how it evolves. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see Ahasuerus has caught it before me - and probably explained it better. I must go check the "Julia Lindroos" I verified - "Juha" seems more common although it's not a forename I recognise. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: And I see Ahasuerus has also identified an email address, which someone with more time than us might like to chase up. So many things to do, so little time - but that's why we have Editors! ;-) I do find that when I chase down a little known Author or Artist they're quite appreciative of the publicity we're giving them though. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:47, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the clarifying! I wasn't sure how to edit JT Lindroos, because that's the name given and the other Lindrooses weren't pseudonyms at that time. But hey, Juha may even be a misreading of Julia on the side of the publisher. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I think Julia is a misreading of Juha rather than vice versa. He appears to be male, with a Finnish name. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:45, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== I especially want your comments ==<br />
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On [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Design_for_phase_4.28.3F.29_of_foreign_language_support]], and on phase 3 too. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 00:49, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Freas Cover ==<br />
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Just an FYI that [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/6/6f/DLBNDNDJQK1978.jpg this]] cover is re-cycled from [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/43/THSTRCRWND1975.jpg.jpg this]] older cover. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 22:07, 2 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== SF Times ==<br />
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You'll need to manually link the reviews to the titles that they review. If the German language title isn't in the database, you can link them to the English title record. A question: did Rainer Zubeil [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321207 review] his own novel? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:No, he didn't. Thanks for finding the fault. The linking is under way. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Kopernikus 4 ==<br />
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How certain are you that the interior artwork and introduction that was supposedly commissioned by the SFBC (US) in 1996 for their stand-alone publication of the Tiptree story was the same artwork and introduction that was published in a 1981 edition of a German-language book? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:20, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I am absolutely certain (that they are not part of the book). I just wanted to grab the novella by Tiptree without having to link it afterwards and thought that a chapbook would be the brightest idea. But, alas, there still remains work to do ;-). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:53, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:On second thought it may have been wiser to use the Export Content device, wouldn't it? I will try this one on another item.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:40, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:That didn't do the trick, either.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:04, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, it would have been just as easy to 1) create a new content record and 2) merge it with the existing one. Exporting single records just isn't very efficient. You end up having to make just as many or even more submissions that you would have otherwise. I only use Import/Export to duplicate the entire contents of a book, but that's my personal preference (and from someone who's been around awhile, it's something to take into consideration.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::It'd be only efficient if a chapbook has only one entry (the one you would want to include), I think. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::True, but you chose a chapbook with three content records, which meant you had to made an additional submission to remove the two records you didn't want. Why take the chance that you would forget to come back to the pub record to remove the extraneous records? Both methods required two submissions. When faced with a situation where there are two choices, each requiring equal effort, it's better to choose the one with the least possible complications. All my humble opinion, of course, and Occam's. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:00, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Ed Cartier = Edd Cartier ==<br />
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I have submissions that want to merge records with credits by Ed Cartier with those by Edd Cartier. Were these records incorrectly credited? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they were credited to Ed Cartier in the copyright informations, but I don't think that they are worth a new pseudonym. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll accept the submissions. Be sure to record the actual credit in the pub's note field. Don't be surprise if other editors disagree with this choice. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Reinmar Cu[n]is ==<br />
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I changed the author credit from "Reinmar Cuis" to "Reinmar Cunis" on your {{P|360206|Der Mols-Zwischenfall}} submission. It looked like a typo to me, and I figured I would save you an edit-and-approve cycle. I apologize if that was not correct. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, thank you very much, indeed! That ''was'' a typo on my behalf. I guess a second look on the submission would have some merits. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:03, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing the credits on editor records ==<br />
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I have three submissions that want to change to editor credits for Perry Rhodan, years 1985 - 1987. You want to drop Günter M. Schelwokat and add Horst Hoffmann on all three. Will you be updating the pub records with the same substitution? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:11, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, I will. It's in the pipeline. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 21:15, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::During your inactive time, we added a field labeled "Note to Moderator". Use this field to supply addition information about the submission (not about the publication), especially if you anticipate a moderator having to ask you a question about the submission (such as the one I just asked). This note does not become part of the record, and disappears after the submission is accepted. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]<br />
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:: And please let me know of any other kind of edits where a "Note to Moderator" will be useful - I'm aware I've missed a few. I can't promise when they'll go live, but after some painful editing sessions recently I would like to relax with a bit more coding. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: In general, I'd say that it could be useful in any possible submission, though the ones where something is about to be changed have priority, at least in my opinion [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: It looks as though Ahasuerus is testing such for Making or Removing a Pseudonym, which could be useful given the amount of Author work going on at the moment. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Jager / Hunter ==<br />
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I have a submission on hold that wants to change the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1324016 this record] to "Hunter", and the language to English. According to the pub (Ganymedes 1), it is a Dutch original story. The note you want to add, "Ominously, this title was translated for the Dutch anthology Ganymedes 1 (translation by Les Cornwell)." makes no sense to me. Where does the information come from?<br />
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: It is from that anthology. It's an information given at the end of the story (on p. 30, to be exact). And there's another story in it that is also translated. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:43, 11 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Amazing. But I still have to reject your submission, since it wants to change the title of the Dutch version. Instead I made it a variant of a new title record and added your note to the translated title. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:44, 11 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Experiment mit nicht steuerbaren Folgeerscheinungen ==<br />
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I have a submission on hold that wants to turn the language of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1324141 this title] to Russian. It's the German translation, so I think it should be German (you already made it a variant of a Russian record). Could you also change the canonical title to Russian (not the language, but the title itself)? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, but it will be my transcription of the title written in Kyrillian. I have my doubts that it will be correct, so I hesitated in entering. Shall I proceed nevertheless? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:19, 10 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I guess so. It just looks strange to have the original Russian title the same as the translated German. You might ask Ahasuerus to take a look, his Russian is far better than mine (= nonexistent). --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:12, 10 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: Done! And Russian is not too bad if you don't mind spending twenty years getting comfortable with its perfective and imperfective aspects :-) {{unsigned|Ahasuerus}} 18:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I knew there were better things to do with my life. Learning to decipher the Cyrillic alphabet should have been my first priority. Too late now, alas :). Shall I reject your submission, or do you want to withdraw it? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I have cancelled the submisson. Thank you both. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Elianer ==<br />
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I approved your edit to number "Die Elianer" as a sub-series of "Stellaris", but I don't think the result is what you expected. Numbering sub-series does just that, numbering sub-series. It doesn't place a sub-series on that position of the items in the series. Take a look [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28636 here] and you'll see. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:40, 12 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Nah, that really isn't what I had in mind. Would a numeration as #22-#24 of the three individual parts of the serial help?[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I'm afraid not, numbering them only defines their order in the sub-series. I don't think we have a way to place a sub-series between the numbered items. Sorry. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:38, 12 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Eine Reise zu John Brunner art ==<br />
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Did you mean to change the art numbering from 12, 13, 16 to 2, 3, '''<u>6</u>''' as you submitted, or 2, 3, '''<u>4</u>''' on " Eine Reise zu John Brunner" ({{T|1325259|this}}) in {{P|359769|Science Fiction Times #150}}? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:29, 15 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, it should have been <u>4</u>. I have no idea how 12, 13, 16 got into it the first time. Shall I resubmit?[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No, that's ok, I will fix it. I think the original numbers were the page numbers. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Paddy Chayevsky / Paddy Chayefsky ==<br />
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Hi, you verified {{T|1299321|this review}} with the sole occurence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?158711 Paddy Chayevsky], while all other publication from or about this author are for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2400 Paddy Chayefsky]. Is yours a typo or a different transcription? Can you perhaps change the author name in the review and say in the note that the spelling in the review is slightly different from the usual? This saves us a lot of extra authors created from typos and different translations or so I've been told. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:As I remember it, this was the spelling in the review, but I will look it up - probably tomorrow. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: The cover image shows "Chayevsky" so it's likely to be a different transcription. But we try to avoid ''reviewees'' being pseudonyms when a note about the different spelling in the review record would suffice. When you've got 80,000 authors to cope with you really don't want too many extras! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:26, 20 September 2011 (UTC) <br />
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:: I know the problem of those transcriptions. I also keep speedskating statistics, and all hell breaks loose when I get Chinese names through Russian channels. There is even difference between the Norwegian, English and German way of transcription from the Russian Cyrillic to Roman script. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: It's worse than that -- check out [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian#Transliteration_table this table]. Even the English speaking world can't agree on a single standard :-( And to make things even more "interesting", historians usually make exceptions for "well known individuals" like Trotsky... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Don't scare editors off just as we're about to blackjack them! ;-) Christian is already up for approval as Moderator, and Dirk isn't far off I think. Although I suspect [[User:P-Brane]] is probably going to become our native(?) Russian expert eventually. I have enough problems with diacritics and accents and all sorts of things non-ASCII that I want to encourage them - if it wasn't for me liking the "£" sign to be represented correctly I'd go for a good old-fashioned "seven-bits with parity" option. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:02, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Sternträumer'' by Cordwainer Smith ==<br />
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I believe the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361869 this collection] is sufficiently different from the English collection that it should not be under the same title record. Only three of the eight stories appeared in the earlier collection. If you agree, do an umnerge from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37405 this title record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:55, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, done. Actually, 'Sternträumer' '''is''' regarded as original edition in Germany, I only did otherwise because 'Stardreamer' is given as original title. Thank you for clearing it up. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:02, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, it looks like you unmerged both the English and the German pub records from the title record. If I accept the submission you'll have to merge the two English title records back together. Your call. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh, oh, seems I misunderstood the unmerge window. I'll resubmit. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:07, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I wrote a note on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1328158 new title record] to warn other editors not to merge or variant this record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Gates of Creation'' ==<br />
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Did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362047 this publication] retain the English title? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:07, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:No, in the moment of submitting I already realized my omission, I will correct it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:36, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Planer der schmelzenden Berge'' ==<br />
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Is the cover artist's name hyphenated as shown in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362050 this record]? If so, we need to make it into a pseudonym and create a variant record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I also believe the first word in the title is misspelled. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:24, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, and yes: you're right on both points, but I changed the name to Morris Scott Dollens. In the German books he is the cover artist of (and that I have), he is credited without hyphenation, so I don't think it is worth a pseudonym. I will put a note into the pub record, though. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:44, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Do you think you're ready to be a Moderator? ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I've been following your progress on the database since you first started, and in a recent discussion your name has come up as a potential moderator. Multi language skills are more and more appreciated these days. I've had no problems with your submissions for some time now, and think you're at least ready for self-approval. Take a look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Moderator_Qualifications Moderator Qualifications] and the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Moderator Moderator Helpscreen], and let me know what you think. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:48, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, thank you, Willem! I don't know if I am ready to be a moderator, even if it's only for self-approval. There '''does creep''' the occasional typing error into my submissions, although I strive for more accuracy in this field. Having somebody taking a second look isn't too bad. As I realize, it would take on the other hand some workload off the shoulders of other moderators, especially in the German Perry Rhodan universe. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:19, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Even if you just self-moderated your Perry Rhodan entries that would save us a lot of work! An "occasional typing error" is normal - look at any Moderator's talk-page and you'll see we do check on each other and point out (sometimes embarrassing) mistakes still. It would be fine if you started with your own edits, and you can still leave any questionable ones to the rest of us to have a second look at. It's not a case of "Mods should know everything" - we'll support a new Moderator as much as, if not more than, a new Editor. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: I guess you are saying that nobody is perfect (I certainly am not). So, yes, if there'd be enough voices in favor of me getting into the task, I wouldn't say no. (But I'd forward my submissions without it, too.) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:39, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Becoming familiar with the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Moderator_Qualifications Moderator Qualifications] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Moderator Moderator Help] pages should inform your decision. It's not as daunting a task as it may first appear. Moderating your own submissions and questioning other moderators about unfamiliar procedures is the best approach. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: This looked like a "Yes I Do". Thanks for your honesty Christian! I'll start the process. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:30, 23 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Morgen ==<br />
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I'm assuming you don't have copies of this periodical (the page numbers aren't given.) If not, please note the source of your data. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Hello, Michael. I am assuming you refer to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362102 this pub]. Alas, I don't know anything about it. Could it have been submitted by Dirk P. Broer? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:26, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::You're absolutely correct. I was handling yours and Dirk's submissions at the same time and confused his with yours. Pardon. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Birthplace of Stefan Grabinski ==<br />
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Do you know in what country was Kamionka Strumilowa in 1887? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Not now, I planned a research for tomorrow. Now it is part of Ukraine, but in the history of this country and Poland there were quite some changes, most of them courtesy of Germany, alas. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's near Lviv (then Lemberg), so it must have been a part of Austria-Hungary in 1887. (Coincidentally, another SF writer, {{A|Stefan Grabinski}}, was also born in Kamionka Strumilowa.) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:32, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Woman Space submissions ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Yesterday I approved your edits for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35829 this title], but after [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins#Woman_Space_.2F_F.26SF_review this] changed the credit back to "uncredited", and copied your note about 'The New Victoria Collective' to the title record. This has no effect on the review [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293941 here]. Hope you can agree. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Fine by me, I just thought it'd be better even to have an 'institution' as editor than 'uncredited'. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:19, 26 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Kalimatan ==<br />
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Saw [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins#Shepard.27s_Kalimantan this]] post, so dug for my copy. Page numbers do not match, but that's irrelevant. First piece: Adult Movies/Live Girls Nude on signs in background; piece two: rope bridge with planks; piece three: figure with arm out on posts wired together, pointed on top; piece four: falling figure into snake's mouth; piece five: figure with knife in right hand, jungle background; piece six: two smaller figures, large one with hole in chest [?]. Go for the gusto on adding/merging/all that stuff we do! ;-) --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 23:08, 26 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Check! The artwork is in the same order as in my edition (should be, because it illustrates the text). Thank you for taking not one but six looks! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:48, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== William Moy Russell ==<br />
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I approved your submission to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1329113 this title] a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1330502 this one]. Remember that a second edit is necessary to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162217 W. M. S. Russell] a pseudonym of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3008 William Moy Russell]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:21, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Ok, done. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::And approved. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Moderator ==<br />
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Congratulations, you are now a moderator! When you get a chance, please take a look at [[Help:Screen:Moderator]] -- there is quite a bit of useful information there, especially re: moderating automated submissions. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:13, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Congratulations and welcome! Have fun with your new powers. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:25, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Welcome aboard! Remember you're not being thrown in the deep-end, you can still ask us for advice and help. But I look forward to not having to deal with your Perry Rhodan Title updates any more... ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:44, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you very much for trusting one imperfect guy! I'll try to get a bit deeper into moderating next week (it's a long weekend over here and I'm out for a prolonged visit), but to be able to approve your own edits feels great. Editing Perry Rhodan even gets somewhat on my nerves - and I have some interest in the series. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:12, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alien Contact #36 ==<br />
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I happen to have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362530 this German language publication] because it prints a translated excerpt from an essay by Michael Bishop about Brian Aldiss that is used as an introduction to an excerpt from Aldiss' biography. Well, I thought I'd try my hand at entering it and you can see the results. My biggest problem was that the titles under review were all capitalized, so I couldn't tell which words in the titles had initial capitalized letters. Also, there's a credit at the end of a review as simply "cak." which I assume is an abbreviation for a common German word. Do you know what this could be? I linked the reviews to the English language title records, but there are a set of reviews for German language books, most of which are not in the database, thus unlinked. I'd appreciate your looking over the record when you get a chance to tell me how many mistakes I made. :) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:31, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Michael! I happen to have this pub also. You did quite well in entering the reviews and the rest of the publication! As you suspected there are a few faults in the titles of the reviewed books regarding some initial capitalized letters. If you don't mind, I'd correct them to the German spelling (although I have to research the Kim Newman novel: it could be 'Der rote Baron' or 'Der Rote Baron'). There seems to exist no English version of 'Bären' by Diane Duane, which astonishes me (but it's possible). And regarding 'cak': it is most surely an abbreviation for somebody, maybe Carsten Kuhr, who did a lot of reviews in German fanzines and magazines. That remains a speculation nevertheless, because he is not mentioned in the pub. Probably it'd be better to leave it at 'cak'. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for looking it over. Please proceed to make the necessary corrections in capitalization. (There must be rules to German capitalization, but I just can't seem to get the knack. And those umlauts really pop up a lot, too!) The Duane story threw me for a loop as well. I kept looking for a statement about its original publication in English but never found it. And use your newly acquired power to moderate the submission. Congratulations! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Maybe the Duane story was the first publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1243852 this story]. I'll try to see if there was an earlier English publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:48, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I found [http://web.archive.org/web/20020204223637/http://www.owlsprings.com/bears.htm the original English version] of the story using the Wayback Machine on Archives.org. It has a 1995 copyright but no statement about any original publication. This page was pulled from a 2003 scan of Duane's older website. So now we know the story exists in English, but now I have to look for an actual publication... [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Looks good, because 'Bären' is the translation of 'Bears'. Maybe it wasn't published before: at least over here only small presses tend to publish shortfiction, the big publishers nowadays go only for novels & serials. If she hadn't found a publisher before, ebooks could be a clever way out. <br />
:::Thanks for the congratulations!<br />
:::For the German spelling: unlike in English titles (only) nouns are capitalized - with quite a lot of exceptions (who would've guessed otherwise?).<br />
:::I'll do the edits, after checking the one exception mentioned above (or more, if they creep up). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:00, 29 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Images without licenses ==<br />
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I noticed that you uploaded five images yesterday without a license tag. If you didn't use the semi-automated "Upload Cover Scan" function from the database side, and uploaded them on the wiki side using the "Upload File" function, these images will not automatically have the image licenses attached to them. As an example, you can see that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:AraToxin2heyne07.jpg this wiki page] for one of the images is "naked" (without a license explaining our fair use rationale and a data tag which gives a link back to the publication record, as they appear on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THESCAR2002.jpg this page]). You can add a license to these images by editing the page and using this CID1 template in the edit window:<br />
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Replace the parameter, as well as the angle brackets (< >), with the image's data. If you need assistance, just ask. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry for this fault. I clearly forgot the legal side of adding cover images. Thanks for the reminder. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:41, 5 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Linien der Zeit ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I saw you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1333774 this pub] to the database. I have a question about this one. The Dutch edition states that the novel was written in German, and after publication by Ullstein was translated to Dutch by the author. What does your edition say about this (if anything)? One thing is certain, the German edition was published first and should probably be the canonical title. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:45, 6 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure about the canonical title: I'd say that the German title remains the variant. Because: the original Dutch title is given and it is stated that the author translated it from the Dutch (that is the other way around as stated in the Dutch edition - but I think that this statement was perhaps only on the side of the publisher). Regrettably, we can't ask the author anymore, but for me the most probable scenario would have been that the author at first couldn't find a Dutch publisher, translated it for the German publication and that made things easier to publish it in the original. After all - as an example - 'He Walked Among Us' by Norman Spinrad should have in the other case also the canonical German title (although Spinrad didn't do his own translation). Or one story that I can think of by the editor in question, Ronald M. Hahn, was published first in Dutch, as I recall it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:08, 7 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for checking. I can live with the Dutch version as canonical (of course). It was the statement that the novel was written in German and later translated in Dutch that triggered me. I added a note to the (Dutch) title record about this.<br />
::There are more titles with a first publication in another language of course. One of the most extreme is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1160521 Caroline Oh! Caroline], written in Dutch, but the only known edition is in French. Anyway , thanks. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 12:33, 7 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Patric Bernauw vs. Patrick Bernauw ==<br />
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Hi Christian, you have a Patric Bernauw as writer of 'Abno', but I think it is [http://www.deboekenplank.nl/naslag/aut/b/bernauw_p.htm Patrick Bernauw] [http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Bernauw and here], and that get's verified [http://www.deboekenplank.nl/naslag/antho/ganymedes_6.htm here], can you please check it?<br />
: You are right, it's Patrick Bernauw. I entered this name from the contents page (where he is spelled Patric), but on the first page of the story it's Patrick. I will change it.<br />
:: I have one problem with the publisher(s) of the Ganymedes series of anthologies: I happen to own four issues of it, #1 & #2 are published by A. W. Bruna & Zoon, #6 is published by Bruna Pockethuis, but copyrighted to A. W. Bruna & Zoon (#7 is still to be determined by me). They differ in the ISBN, though: The first have 90-229-, #6 has 90-449-. Do they qualify as separate publishers or shall they be entered as one and the same? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:48, 8 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: I would say [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] is far better able to answer that question than me, but on forhand I would say yes. The (zwarte beertjes) series numbering is continued. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:20, 8 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: If I'm getting the question right: You don't have to standardise a Publisher name to create a series - the reason they are called "Publication series" is because we recognised that series will move publishers at times, e.g. Arrow and Hamlyn for Venture SF, Gollancz and Millennium for the Masterworks etc. If I'm getting the intention wrong, just ignore me and go on with your European expertise. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:47, 8 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Well, you asked me for my opinion. There are a few things I would like to say about this. First the publisher; I'm all for standardization, so i.m.o. it should be "Bruna" or "A. W. Bruna" but not both, and certainly without "en Zoon" or "Pockethuis" or any other addition (there are more, believe me), no matter how it's stated in the publications (variants could be mentioned in the notes). The only exception would be books published after 2010, when Bruna was taken over by WPG Uitgevers, and became an imprint.<br />
::::: Second, the Ganymedes series is, of course, a title series. I created the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30270 series], and added the three already existing editions to it. I'll verify them, and add the others (there are 11) sometime in the not too distant future, if someone else doesn't do it first. I also changed the publication series for #6 from "Bruna SF" to "Zwarte Beertjes". I hope you can agree with this. (by the way, can you actually read Dutch?) --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:18, 9 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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You two have absolutely the last say in this - and I also tend more to have one publisher instead of a lot in this case, I just wanted to ask you. And I started to learn Dutch two years ago by reading it (with Ganymedes #6 by the way, because short stories don't require as much standing as a novel for beginners). I still have to read it as if reading aloud, then many words become meaningful to me as a German. I also still have to look up quite a lot in the dictionary, though. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:39, 9 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I'm amazed :-). Sounds a bit like my learning Portugese. When I read it real slow, and search for the gibberish in a dictionary, I can understand most of the meaning. But I only do that on vacation, not really for fun. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, vacations are the time to read it. I liked 'Coriolis' by Gerben Hellinga very much, and learned that there is a sequel of sorts to it that never was published in German. Together with some good stories by various authors this was a major drive. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:23, 9 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Robinson ''Sixty Days and Counting'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm a few things about the data in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260795 this record]? Is the publisher given as "Harper" (a US imprint) or "HarperCollins"? Does it print the ISFDB-10 or ISFDB-13? Is the page count 504 or 512? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Just discovered that HarperCollins has used the "Harper" imprint in the UK as well, so that may be as stated. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:43, 10 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, it is stated ''Harper'' (over) An imprint of HarperCollins''Publishers'' on the copyright page. On spine and title page is only 'Harper'. The page count is 504 (with six unnumbered pages preceding the novel and two after it). This edition only prints the ISBN-13. Thanks for the task. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:08, 11 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Deutsche Nationalbibliothek ==<br />
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Thanks for the pointer. It looks as though it would be easy to add an "Other Sites" link to them, e.g.<br> [[Image:Other Sites.jpg]]<br><br />
Would this be useful? If so, can you check their conditions to see if ISBN-10 or ISBN-13 links are preferred, and if there are any restrictions on use we should be aware of? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've been testing it out, and think it shows that {{P|PLSMWLTBQH2011|Plasmawelt}} should have a "978" ISBN-13 prefix rather than a "979" one? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:11, 7 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I think that both ISBNs are possible (some authors have 'links' from the German wikipedia), although it may be that older books only have a 'link' provided through ISBN-10. And yes, such an "Other Sites" link would be quite useful. <br><br />
:: The 978 prefix is the right one. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: OK, I've submitted the "Deutsche Nationalbibliothek" link for consideration, when Ahasuerus gets some time to test it. I did try and find a Dutch equivalent to help some other editors, and came across [http://search.theeuropeanlibrary.org/portal/en/index.html The European Library] - which seems to be a general site more suited to Europeans than Worldcat is. Have you come across this before? It seems quite useful (getting us to British Library prices for instance), although I'm not really qualified to test much else out. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:22, 9 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Njet, I haven't seen that one before, but in afterthought it seems quite logical for the EU to build a site like that. It should give us really some backup for research. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== PR #2600 ==<br />
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Is Christian Montillon interviewing his own pseudonym in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352967 this issue]? If so, we have to give the interviewee as the canonical author's name. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I looked into the magazine and yes, Montillon interviews himself, i. e. his real self (because Montillon is the pseudonym). But it would be totally misleading to make Dittert into the canonical name: All his genre fiction was published under Montillon. And this seemingly exception is none: the interviews in PR#2600 are all on work outside of the Perry Rhodan universe, and in this case even outside all fantastic genres. Dittert has published a juvenile mystery (the ??? should be or should have been quite popular in the US, too - were they also published as by Alfred Hitchcock?) and around this novel the interview revolves. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:33, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: I don't think Michael is suggesting Dittert as the canonical name, that's fine. It's just that an interview of Christoph Dittert by Christian Montillon will only show up on Dittert's page, not Montillon's. Our current workaround is to make sure the ''interviewee'' is given as the canonical name, so in this case an interview of Christian Montillon by Christian Montillon will put things on the right page. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:56, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: Ah, yes, that makes some sense. I'll see to put it into this rightful meaning. And, as I just learned, the German ??? (Drei Fragezeichen = Three Question Marks) originated as the Three Investigators. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/cleanup.cgi Cleanup Script] that finds potential problems - "Interviews of Pseudonyms" is the fifth one. I don't know how often they are run, but they're often a nice mini-project when you're tired of other work. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It was Bill's cleanup script that brought this situation to my attention, and, yes, I meant that the interview record's interviewee be changed, not the canonical relationship between the two names. I go through all of the cleanup scripts about once a week. Maybe I'm the only one's whose doing it, because I find there are about 10-20 problems each week that I "cleanup". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:35, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Thanks, I'm glad someone ''does'' use them! I get very little feedback on software changes that mean ''more'' work rather than ''less'', even if it improves our data. And I'm happy to take requests for improvements or additions: Ahasuerus may not be so keen as he has to test them all, and he's overworked already. But I can also post mini-projects to wiki pages if desired: it just takes a fairly clear definition of what's needed. So for instance, if someone wants to work on "Meisterwerke der Science Fiction" publication series and has a list somewhere, I can knock up a quick page of publications that may or may not qualify. I suspect they're best left till we get the next round of language support improvements in, but if people want to do it the hard way in the meantime I'm happy to let them. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:02, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I'm barely proficient at English. No way I'm going to tackle a foreign-language series! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Aw, you wimp! I failed my "English Literature" exam while acing "English Language" (couldn't appreciate Jane Austen, still can't, even with added Zombies) - so apparently I can ''write'' but not ''read'' my native language. I didn't even attempt German, I took Latin and failed that instead. I did do three years of French at Junior School (very progressive!) and then another three at Secondary School which was so repetitive I lost interest. I have tried to learn a little French and German so that I can leave moderating such to the experts, as I'm never going to be one. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Guess I'm too old to learn another language. But my two years of high school Latin taught me more about English than any English grammar and composition course I ever took. And they've stood me well for the past forty years. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:19, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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On "Meisterwerke der Science Fiction": Yes, please! I have some (about 10) of them in my collection, but didn't start to collect them all, since I already had the most in English or German. The new bibliographies in 'Das Science Fiction Jahr' do not show the publication series anymore, so it remains a bit of guesswork. Alas, 'Perry Rhodan' seems to be more time-consuming than I thought before, so all other projects take so much more time. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:22, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: OK, I had a stab at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?874 Meisterwerke der Science Fiction] but I'm very suspicious of the Amazon data I used. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:04, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, but no: a first glance is very satisfactory. The publication dates at least do look very promising, since the series started at the turn of the millenium - and that is the first point of doubt for amazon data (but it seems they are not too reliable in that regard with older publications). The second point of doubt is the supplied cover image (also more for older pub.s), but I'll take a look while working through the series. Anyway, thanks a lot for supplying the data! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover image for PR #2507 ==<br />
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I see you've uploaded the cover for this issue twice: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:PR2507.jpg here] (without a license) and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:PR1DE2507.jpg this one] (with a license), both within minutes of each other. Did you intend on deleting the first one? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I have no idea (that is: no remembrance) how that could have happened, but I deleted the image without the licence tag. Thank you for finding this! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:21, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== PR #2502 ==<br />
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Are the two books reviewed in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?356368 this issue] SF-related? None of the four authors are in the database currently, and coming up as stray authors on one of the clean-up scripts. This can be corrected by adding the books to the database (if they're SF-related) and then linking the reviews to the new records. If the books are not SF-related (and not eligible for inclusion in the database), the reviews should be turned into essays. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:55, 13 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Better late, than never: I've done it (but had to look after my copy of the magazine because I weren't sure if one of the reviews in question was relevant). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 16 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Maximovic ==<br />
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Hello Christian. I found in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369022 Science Fiction Story Reader 3] that you record "Maximovic" with a acute accent. But here [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19790 Maximovic] is written without the accent. What is correct? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 19:23, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Rudolf! I decided for Maximović as canonical name so far, because most publications have this version. Another matter is how we treat his collection, because there he even is written Maximovič, another possible variant. I haven't found this spelling somewhere else so far, so I think it's a Suhrkamp thing. (But do we treat this as variant? What do you think?) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:36, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Hello Christian. I researched his name and found three variant spellings. In the publications from Moewig, Fischer, Suhrkamp and Ullstein he is written as Maximovič. The 'Encyclopedia of Science Fiction', the 'Lexikon der Sciecne Fiction Literatur', the 'Reclam Science Fiction Führer' and the Heyne-Anthologies spell him as Maximović. Wikipedia, other biographical internet-sites and also his own(!) SF-magazine PARSEK spell him only as Maximovic. It is difficult to decide, because every decision means a lot of changings and a lot of variant titles. If we want to have the most correct way then Maximović is canonical and all other spellings are variant titles. What do you think? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 14:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's perfect for me, let's do it this way. On PARSEK: I think about entering this magazine sometime in the future, but I don't know if there were two or three isues published (or even more?). I have the first two issues but have found the information that #3 was published, although only in an advertisement in SF Times; I have no hard evidence that this issue was published, do you? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:15, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::: OK. Let's start. I own also only the first two copies of PARSEK and never heard about a third one. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 16:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Clewiston-Test ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1355982 German language title record] should probably be merged with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2223 The Clewiston Test]? [[User:Fsfo|Fsfo]] 12:34, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:You're completely right about that. I guess it's one of those cases where you plan to do something and then there comes something focusing your mind in another direction. I'll do the merger, thanks for your open eyes! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:10, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet ohne Hoffnung ==<br />
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A little hint. I also own the anthology Planet ohne Hoffnung but this novella [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1359899 Planet ohne Hoffnung] is from Vonda McIntyre. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 17:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, this must have happened as I tried to unmerge the novella. This doesn't seem to be a good idea for contents of anthologies, collections etc. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:56, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Yes, there is a known bug in umerging content titles (as opposed to container titles). There is a fix awaiting testing but as you know Ahasuerus' time has been rather limited recently. And I'd like to see him test that before I submit "Unmerge foreign title" for consideration, I wouldn't want to propagate the same bug to a new feature. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thank you, Bill. I suspected that it wouldn't be possible, but still I had to try what would happen. I really am quite happy with the possiblities we do have right now! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Well, I'm really happy with recent changes but a bit frustrated that there aren't '''more'''! I'm working with a (potential) version of the software about 5 months ahead of what's currently live and can't wait to share the improvements. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Irrgarten des Todes ==<br />
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Can you have a look at {{T|1347231|Irrgarten des Todes }} please? I found one pub left behind on the English title, unmerged it and remerged it and am not sure which of the third(?) editions to keep. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 00:57, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you for finding this surplus publication! I deleted the one with less commentary and pumped up the page count from 223 to 224 pages, which should be the right number. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Jonathan Carroll story ==<br />
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Is the story on page 39 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361614 Phantastische Begegnungen] titled "A Lick of Time" or is that an English translation of the German title given in the book? And should we make it into a variant translation of the story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22644 this anthology] (page 103)? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I think it's better to state the given German titles instead of the English ones (it's on my todo list, but I'll check if these two stories are the same or not). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It's a German language record, but the title is in English, which is what prompted the question. I wasn't sure if you'd had a chance to change these records to the current standard. I was cleaning up Jonathan Carroll's bibliography and noticed the two similar titles. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:01, 19 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:They are one and the same (translated, that is). So I'll make it into an alternate title. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Foundation #93, A Celebration of British Science Fiction ==<br />
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Thanks for approving [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?370909 this submission], it was a bit of a toss-up between listing the publication as a magazine or a one-off book in the magazine 'series' as it has both ISBN and ISSN numbers. However one thing is bothering me (just a little) the more I think about it, namely that I entered the ISSN in the ISBN entry box. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#ISBN ISBN section] of the Edit Title Help page referring to magazines indicates it should be the ISBN there. It's a sad fact that any non-fiction publication with more than 15 long-winded academic titles is liable to scramble any editor's brain, so I'll fix it if you think it's necessary. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 19:54, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, this is a weird coincidence of book and magazine, but since it would otherwise disrupt the magazine series I'm all for keeping the continuity. Well, it'd be better though to enter the ISBN, just to have this vital information. <br />
:And for scrambled brains: that's exactly what I felt when I entered the few issues of 'Foundation' I own into the system (a few more are in the waiting line). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've got another 16 issues here staring at me from the shelf, all saying "Go on, I dare you..." [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 20:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I am tempted to say "Go on, I dare you...", but I'd have to say the same to myself and there's too much to do right now. I've scheduled this in my mind for February but since schedules are postponed with 99.9 % probability this doesn't mean that this will be the actual month. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Foundation is definitely worth recording, so go for it. I doubt we'll get Andy Sawyer submitting the data himself (although if he does, I'm willing to take his place looking after all those books in Liverpool!) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy ==<br />
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I've just saw that you renamed Heyne Science Fiction into Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy. But now we have two series with the same name. How could we merge them? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 20:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I hoped that it'd be possible to merge them (it is possible for publishers). I'll consult the help pages and/or someone with more knowledge. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's possible, but only by Ahasuerus (or Al von Ruff) at present. If such a merge is ''often'' desirable then I can develop the ability for Mods, but it would still require Ahasuerus to test and approve such. I suspect the European use of Publication Series might make it a lot more desirable, but I'm only English, so not very European. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, but that you are not so very European is only some temporary impression, I think. Just look at the interweavings between English, Latin, Dutch, French and German: some momentary disruptions can't shake the foundations! And even on the continent it's quite uncommon to rename a publication series every few years. Heyne is special in that they opened the door for fantasy in Germany but couldn't realize in the beginning that it'd be huge enough to sustain a series of its own, let alone a whole subgenre. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:35, 21 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: There were only 82 pubs involved, so I changed them manually while the weekly backup file was being generated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:47, 24 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Thank you very, very much for your effort! We promise to keep those tasks near to nul in the future. And if you need some support in the future, please let me know! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:48, 25 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Hello Ahasuerus! It was very kind of you that you helped us with our problem. But it was a little embarrassing for me that you changed this pubs manually. Of course we would have made this work for you! [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:36, 26 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I hope you two continue working well together - we're rather relying on the newer mods to suggest the even-newer ones, us older ones aren't necessarily any better when it comes to non-English languages. (In fact, I don't think I'm actually older than more than one of you anyway, and I'm certainly less language-proficient.) Keep up the good work! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:40, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Interior art standards ==<br />
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The ISFDB standard is to enter frontispieces, maps, back cover art, and other interior art records as "TITLE OF WORK (type of interior art)". So the frontispiece in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?370245 this record] would be "Der Zeiter (frontispiece)" and the back cover art would be "Der Zeiter (back cover)". I'm not sure if this standard is a stated policy but a quick search will reveal this is the de facto standard. The same standard would apply to the interior art records in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362553 this pub], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?372011 this pub], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362487 this one]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:49, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: There's probably a bit of wiggle-room left - I have no idea what "frontispiece" or "back cover" are in '''German'''. But please do disambiguate titles, and help us explain the rules - which are a bit fluid while we adapt to multiple languages. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the input! I will change the denominations to the common standard. "Frontispiece" is very similar: "Frontispiz", but "back cover" would be something like "hinterer Umschlag". [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Mark van Oppen / Marvano ==<br />
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Hi Christan, you verified two pubs with illustrations as by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?155107 Mark van Oppen], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367871 Heyne Science Fiction Magazin, #1] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345787 Framstag Sam]. Nearly all his work (in the Netherlands) was published as by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?167698 Marvano], so I'm going to move the author data there, and make Mark van Oppen a pseudonym. Can you confirm that he was really credited as Mark van Oppen in those two pubs? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Willem. Yes, he is credited in both publications as Mark van Oppen, on the copyright pages. There are more illustrations by him upcoming in the near future: he did some more vignettes for Heyne Science Fiction Magazin and did the interior art for one edition of ''The Flying Sorcerers''. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I'll variant the existing titles. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 08:53, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== New German Mod? ==<br />
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Do you think Rudam (or any other German Editor, for that matter) has reached the level at which he could at least self-approve? I'm keen to get more non-English experts involved here, but I'm rather unqualified to judge their abilities. The first Mod for a different language is easy, they just have to be better than me, but when we have an ''expert'' in another language I bow to their superior knowledge. Which in this case means you. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:58, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the kind words! But there's still so much I have to learn: I wouldn't call me an expert, except perhaps in the pub.s I have (and even with those...). <br />
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:: I think there is ''nobody'' that understands the whole of ISFDB nowadays - not the founder, not the other bureaucrat, nor any moderator. And I speak as someone that's spent five years learning how to edit, moderate, and even program this stuff. You don't have to be perfect to be a moderator, just someone active, communicative, and getting far more edits ''right'' than wrong. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:53, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, I'd say Rudam has earned enough merits (and collected enough knowledge) to promote him to moderator, but the same holds for Dirk P. Broer, I'd say. What do you think? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:43, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Rudam strikes me as worthy, he's been around a long time and he rarely submits something I disagree with. Dirk I'm still a little ambivalent about - I see him submitting a lot of Author updates, but not much in the way of other types of edit. But maybe he's gone through his own collection and is doing useful but minor stuff. I'd like to see him push the boundaries a little more. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:53, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::: But I think it's very useful for us to have somebody who updates the author informations like he does. I haven't his discipline and am a bit sloppy in this regard. And he has understood the secrets of (for example) merging the right things and has shown on the whole a responsible editor's soul, as I have seen in the edits I moderated. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:38, 18 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Oh, it's certainly useful - and he's already [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?2 Number 3 in the Author updating]. But '''over half''' his edits are Author updates and I'm not seeing many other types of edit now. If he's finished his own collection and is looking for other things to do, that's fine - but I think he's claimed over 3000 SF pubs but has verified less than 2000, so might still have some primary work still to do? I'd like to catch him before he gets bored with us though. Moderators never get bored, they just get stressed. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:31, 19 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Oh, yes! This rings a bell, reminding me of postponing tasks for other, more pressing tasks. Well, OK, let's start with Rudam to sustain our ranks. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:44, 19 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Do you want to ask him if he's willing, or shall I? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:45, 19 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: I'll do it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:48, 19 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover images for non-genre magazines ==<br />
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I believe you may have accepted the submission adding the cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?374078 this record]. If so, please look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:WmFS1#Cover_images_for_non-genre_magazines the message] I left on the editor's talk page. If not, never mind. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:35, 20 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, I accepted this submission - didn't know of this policy, but won't happen again (at least for the cases I know to differentiate). But in any case I'll be more careful. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Eine Handvoll Venus und ehrbare Kaufleute ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366618 This record] shows up on the Stray Authors list because the authors credited on the pub record don't match the authors of its title record. Can you re-check the book to determine if the author credit is correct and, if so. unmerge it from the title record and make it a variant title? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?372582 This record] also showed up on the list, but it's not verified so I can't know who may have created it. Since it's from a different publisher, it may not have the same credit as yours. If you had nothing to do with the latter record, I will do some research to see how it's credited. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:58, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I created those publications in one session. In the first edition (Heyne) Kornbluth is credited with his full forename on the title page, whereas in the earlier edition from 1973 he is credited only with his initials - but it is essentially the same title (same translation). Would it be better to file another title? (Same question applies for the East German edition). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Dumb question, that last one. It's the only logical thing to do - so I'll do it. Thanks for the hint. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:44, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Variant of a variant ==<br />
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Can you take a look at the title record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1377902 Mutprobe in der Hensonröhre]. It's currently a variant of a variant title record. The only publication is in one of your verified pubs. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:15, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, sorry for that. I'll take a look on this matter and the one above. Thanks for finding this [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:50, 21 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazine Editor ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I've just entered [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31027 Perry Rhodan NEO]. It was no problem to enter the publications and to make a fiction series. But I despair of developing a "Magazine Editor Series". How can I change the "container" of a publication and how can I make here [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?374995 Sternenstaub] a new "container", whom I've deleted? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Looks like Christian is not here today, I'll try to help. Only the first issue is lacking the editor record. You'll have to add this manually. Edit the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?374995 pub record], and add a content item (you can't choose "Editor", but essay is good enough for this step). After approving, you edit the item you just added, and change the type to "EDITOR". Next you go to the summary bibliography of one of the editors, under editing tools choose "show all titles" and merge the three 2011 "Perry Rhodan NEO" editor records (you can see the type there) any of the three titles is ok. Then you change the remaining title record to "Perry Rhodan NEO - 2011" and add a series name (you already used "Perry Rhodan NEO", so choose another name, like "Perry Rhodan NEO 1st Aufl." or something). After that things should be fine, and for following issues you only have to add the novels to the "Perry Rhodan NEO" series, and merge the new editor records with "Perry Rhodan NEO - 2011" (for 2012 you create a new record of course). More questions? Just ask. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: I really get it! Thanks Willem [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 22:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Looks very, very good. Thanks for entering this issues! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:02, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Many thanks from me too! If it wasn't for new Mods like you the rest of us would have burned out long ago. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 04:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::But no! We new editors are the lucky ones to get so much support from you much more experienced ones. It's this input on every level that keeps us going! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I can only agree you Christian! [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 19:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Ryszard Głowacki 's "Paroxysmus No. minus eins" ==<br />
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I was processing [[User:Zoltar]]'s submissions and saw that he was having trouble with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1261800 "Paroxysmus No. minus eins"], a German translation of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1384722 "Paroksyzm numer minus jeden"], which appeared in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347047 ''Heyne Science Fiction Jahresband 1990'']. It turns out that this anthology was originally entered using the old rules back when we used the original title record for translated short fiction, so this novella appeared as "Paroksyzm numer minus jeden" rather than as "Paroxysmus No. minus eins". Since Zoltar wanted to create a VT for the German title record, I have changed it to match the new rules and it now reads "Paroxysmus No. minus eins". I also changed the associated INTERIORART records, but didn't touch the rest of the stories. Hope everything is still OK! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:26, 4 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you! All your changes are perfect! I am currently at work to change the titles entered earlier, but haven't reached this anthology so far. Thank you for changing this novella: it's one less to change for me. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:53, 4 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Great, thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Traum des Astronauten Jörg Weigand 1983 ==<br />
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Added cover for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252975 pub] [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 21:20, 14 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Lexikon der Science Fiction Literatur 1988 ==<br />
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Added cover for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334321 pub] [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 21:28, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for adding the two covers. Whereas I clean forgot to add the image for the Weigand collection my copy of the Lexikon looks (and is) much used. So I didn't want to add it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:25, 16 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Kuczka ==<br />
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Hi, you destroyed the data belonging to "Kuczka Péter"s author page. with your renaming all the Hungarian references disappeared from his page. On the other hand instead of renaming a pseudoname should be created for the English version of his name. But the main page should be the Hungarian one as "Kuczka Péter". The pseudoname should be "Peter Kuczka" if you have English translations from his works. Please try to revert somehow your modification and reestablish the destroyed Hungarian links.<br />
Thanks in advance. BR. [[User:GaborLajos|GaborLajos]] 10:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry, Gabor! My action had a grave effect I didn't intend! But the data isn't lost, take a look [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?378045 here]. I'll do my very best to restore the status quo in the course of this day! Again, sorry! I'm still not used to this convention. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:23, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Des Erdenmannes schwere Bürde ==<br />
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Please see [[User talk:Rtrace#Earthman.27s Burden|this discussion]]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:13, 4 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Submission to change cover art credit ==<br />
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I was holding a submission that wanted to change the cover art credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252975 this record] from Tim White to Don Maitz, and left a note on the submitter's page. It's been a couple of days and I've not heard back from her, but I'm pretty sure the cover is by Don Maitz. It's identical to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188993 this book's cover]. I'm going to remove the hold and let you, as the primary verifier of the record, handle it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you! Tim White is in fact credited for the art, but when I look again at it, it surely looks more as to be in Maitz' vein. So I'll change it and add a note. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Request ==<br />
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Hi Christian. I've just asked Bluesman [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Bluesman#inquisitive], but he can't help me. Can you content my curiosity? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 20:02, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Rudolf. I'm sorry, but I didn't add either notes, nor the pub., nor cover image. (I did use this sort of style for my notes only for the last two months or so.) Still, it should be possible to sustain the month of publication from 'Lexikon der Science Fiction Literatur 2' (1980), as there were 12 books published in 1963 in this pub. series and this book was the tenth. Maybe someone just counted. (I used this for the books by Franke, I think, and there is the remote possibility that I did this for this book also, but this would have been at the beginning of my ISFDB stunt and I honestly don't remember). Feel free to comment or change. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: It probably remains a mystery. I'll check the other titles of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?551 series], if another title has a month of publication. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 19:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet Story title change submissions ==<br />
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It looks like the "Planet Story" interiorart title change submissions would affect your verified {{P|380927|Planeten-Story}}, so I left them for you. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, Marty! The changes are not quite what I'd intend. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:40, 29 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Das neue Atlantis' ==<br />
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Just a note that your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340309 ''Das neue Atlantis''] has been upgraded to the new data entry standard for translations. Hopefully the inhabitants suffered minimal damage during the transition process :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:41, 2 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you very much, it's perfect! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:28, 15 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Kornbluth ==<br />
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Hi Christian! I've noticed, that you named the author of this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366618 Eine Handvoll Venus und ehrbare Kaufleute] as ''Cyril M. Kornbluth'', but on the cover he is spelled as ''C. M. Kornbluth''. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 16:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right, there's a difference regarding cover and title page, see also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eine_Handvoll_Venus_und_ehrbare_Kaufleute this item]. But as I understand the rules, we go for the title page rather than covers; quite often Herbert W. Franke is named only H. W. Franke on the cover of his pub.s, but (nearly) always with his full name on title page. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:27, 15 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks for the advice! [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 16:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Heyne Science Fiction Jahresband 1980 ==<br />
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Uploaded new cover art for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338535 pub]. [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 13:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:27, 15 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== All About Emily ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Thanks for adding the interior art and note(s) to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364366 All About Emily]. I had to change the pagecount back from 97 to 96 however. We use the last printed pagenumber for the pagecount (unless there's text on following unnumbered pages). In this pub, the text ends on page 96, and there's an illustration on the unnumbered page 97. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, Willem! Good that you are back and getting healthier!<br />
:I learned about the correct way of entering the page count only quite recently, so thanks for correcting my fault. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:30, 15 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== SF international I ==<br />
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When you have a few minutes, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360575 ''SF international I''] to make sure that all stories have been successfully transitioned to the new standard for translations? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Will do, as soon as I find the book. I'm at work to enter the rest of Franke's books, so thanks for your effort to make his bibliography that more useful. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thankfully, it still (or again?) lay around. You did a perfect job finding out about Krzysztof Boruń's story first German publication (at least I don't remember knowing about that). Thank you very much: it's very encouraging to have such support! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:45, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! I was poking around the Web looking for more information about the stories in ''SF international I'' and found [http://www.spittel.de/sf/ this site about SF in DDR]. I have added it to the [[Sources of Bibliographic Information]] page since it seems useful. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, the SF in the GDR was quite interesting, even a sort of refuge for critics of society. Regretfully, I don't have a greater collection of it - but the site you found will be useful. Thanks for finding and adding it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sternträumer ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I've just changed the language in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361869 Sternträumer] and changed in this context your verfied pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362117 Sternträumer] too. Can you please check, wether have I caused any damage? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 13:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Rudolf! Thank you very much for your effort! Looks perfect to me, no damage done :-). There's obviously still a bit work to do on older submissions. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Blocking spammers ==<br />
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Thanks for keeping an eye out for the recent spamming attacks, and blocking the users. It's also better to delete the talk page rather than "undo" it. Deleting the page obliterates all traces of the ID they created. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:12, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Will keep my eyes open in the future, too. I guess there's no way to hinder any such attacks - other than to have a moderator on duty and keeping an controlling eye on new guests? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
::There must have been earlier precautions for which this particular spammer may have found a way around. This latest series of attacks appears to be from one source as all of the user names have a similar pattern. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]<br />
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== Periods in titles ==<br />
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As a result of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#German_Books our discussion], I'm looking through the ISFDB for titles and publications where periods appear as separators between a main title and a sub-title. This happens in some of the books you have verified (apparently, some older verifications). Consequently, I have changed the periods to commas in these books. If I am mistaken about this, and the period is used differently (i.e. the period really does exist in the title printed on the book), please let me know and I will revert those changes. The books I've found so far are:<br />
<ul><li>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352918 Science Fiction: Five Stories = Science Fiction: Fünf Geschichten]<br />
<li>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?341292 Perry Rhodan Jubiläumsband zum 1000: Roman der weltberühmten SF-Serie]<br />
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(I may add more to this list as I complete my search.) Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 16:03, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for finding those two, although in the latter case the period was correct (1000. meaning thousandth). I will change it back. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== New Worlds 3 ==<br />
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Hi, could you please check the title of story by Stross and Ings on page 105 in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23795 this] verified pub. I believe it should be "Tarkovsky's Cut" rather than "Tolkowsky's Cut". Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 04:20, 9 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
:Hi, I checked and it still stays as "Tolkowsky's Cut" (on contents page and title page of the story). What source told you otherwise? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Homepages of both authors claim it as "Tarkovsky's Cut" (which makes sense). Now I am intrigued! And need to read tit! Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 00:51, 10 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
::In fact, Stross has it [http://www.antipope.org/charlie/fiction/cut.html available] on his homepage as "Tarkovsky's Cut". Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 00:56, 10 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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== Fanzines vs. Magazines ==<br />
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You rejected a couple of my submissions that tried to merge fanzines from different years, based on the way magazines are usually treated in the data base. I've discussed how fanzines differ from magazines with at least two other moderators. Fanzines seldom meet consistent production schedules; some will come out 6 times one year, then only once the next. Some (REH: Two-Gun Raconteur http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31617 as one example)skip many years. Many of them only publish for a few years in any case. Since the purpose of gathering magazines into annual bundles is to reduce clutter on the editor's page, that strategy may not be useful for many fanzines. Look, for another example, at George Scithers' page http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?840. "Weird Tales" is gathered by year as usual, but "Amra", his earlier fanzine, is grouped differently. There are some fanzines where annual grouping makes sense (The Fantasy Fan http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28910, for example, which maintained a regular schedule), but many more will not. I'm not at all sure that collecting the fanzines whose merges you rejected in any kind of grouping makes much sense -- neither editor has a lot on his summary page. But I have no objection is someone else wants to group them. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:06, 9 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but I still do believe that fanzines should be in most ways treated as a magazine: there are too many magazines that are produced on a non-commercial basis (like fanzines) or fanzines that look (and are) like magazines. Not to speak of fanzines making the step towards a magazine (like Locus). There may be differences between the two, but I don't think that the way our publication order is organized should be one of them. You may want to make it into an issue for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions Rules and standards], though. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 21:51, 9 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Blumen wachsen im Himmel", by Hellmuth Lange ==<br />
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You had [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385916 this book] entered with a publisher of "Minerva". Unfortunately, that put it in with an [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1595 English publishing company]. To disambiguate this publisher, I changed its name to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?42162 Minerva (Germany)]. The WorldCat record lists it as from "Minerva-Verl.", and so I wonder if a better disambiguation might be "Minerva-Verlag", but I'll leave that for you to decide. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks for changing a misleading entry. Minerva (Germany) is just fine. 'Verlag' gets no mention with other publishing houses, too. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:07, 26 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Down to a Sunless Sea" ==<br />
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Somehow Genevieve Linebarger is solely credited as the author of the story in its [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61397 original appearance]. I just pulled out my copy of that issue and she's not mentioned once in the whole magazine. The record should be credited as it's stated in the publication: Cordwainer Smith. She's also solely credited in the three records for ''The Rediscovery of Man''. Unless her name is given as the author on the story's title page in that edition, Smith should be credited as the author. If no author is credited on the story's title page, ISFDB rules state the author of the collection should be credited as the author of its contents. Just because an editor credits her as the author in his introductory note doesn't mean the ISFDB record should. You can always do a variant to give her credit as the sole author (which it appears someone already has.) There are also three other records which give her printed credit: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?148491 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?305179 here] (both unverified records) and another one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338291 here]. The last one is verified by Hauck, and I'll leave a note on his page to ask him how the story is credited in that collection. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:46, 5 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:The fact - and we do try to give facts, don't we? - is that Cordwainer Smith (P. M. Linebarger) had nothing to do with writing this piece, it was a matter of convenience to publish it under his name. I've put a bibliographical note on his summary page and it'd be nicer if it wouldn't be as hidden as it is, but I've found no reasonable better way. <br />
:It is not ''an'' editor but ''the'' editor of the complete short fiction of Smith who stated this.<br />
:The right thing to do - for that shortfiction - would be to make Cordwainer Smith into a pseudonym of Genevieve Linebarger. But would that be what we'd want in the overall picture? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, time is running out in front of my upcoming vacation. I tried to fix the problems you had in varianting the appearances in MFSF and other pub.s. - they all should look better. In fact, I don't know what exactly went wrong with my varianting; it worked well with some publications, for example Terry Carr's 'Best Science Fiction of the Year', 'The Rediscovery of Man' and non-English ones. Why it didn't work out with others still puzzles me (and it seems I checked only those and not all appearances - sorry for that). It still remains to determine if there's a pseudonym to be set up. I trust in your decision and I hope you can live with my changes. Read you in August! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:46, 6 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::The point I was trying to make had nothing to do with who wrote the story, just as long as the record reflects the way it was credited in the publication. If Genevieve Linebarger's name appears under the story I have no argument with the record showing her as the credited author. But I know for a fact that she was not credited for the story's F&SF publication, and that had to be changed. And, no, we don't have to make Cordwainer Smith into a pseudonym for Genevieve Linebarger. If he didn't write the story then it shouldn't appear on his summary page. BTW, "the" editor of the collection makes him "an" editor of the work, along with several other editors who have reprinted it, no matter how you look at. "The" ''editor'' of the work was most likely Edward L. Ferman who first published it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Back cover for Di Filippo's ''After the Collapse'' ==<br />
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You'll need to add a license tag to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:FilippoAfterCollapse.JPG this image file]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:51, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Marsprojekt_without_dj.JPG this file], [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Scan10003.JPG this one] and several author photographs which use a different license than cover art. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== License for author photographs ==<br />
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I've discovered to my surprise that we do have a license to attach to photographs of authors. Here's a link to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Author_Image_Data the template]. I have applied it to image you uploaded for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Johanna_Sinisalo.jpg Jihanna Sinisalo]. When you get a chance, please replace any of the "unknown" parameters with any that you know. This may not protect us if the image is challenged by the photographer, but at least it will show an attempt of trying not to violate copyrights. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:09, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I've done the same for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:DenisScheck.jpg Denis Scheck]. The data will have to be updated. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:19, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Also added a license to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Doris_lessing.jpg Doris Lessing]. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Michael-Weisser.jpg Michael Weisser], [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Heinlein-face-1-.jpg Robert A. Heinlein] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Oliverscholl.jpg Oliver Scholl]. Each of these will have to updated to show the source and other data that I've entered as "unknown". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:35, 20 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, thank you for adding these templates! I didn't think that we do need a licence tag for this author photos: They all are from ''wikimedia commons'' & free of copyright for use. Only in the case of Denis Scheck the photographer liked to be mentioned. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:56, 18 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for adding the source. We ''do'' need a licence for photographs, even more so than for cover art. We can always claim fair use for cover art because we're using it as a visual representation of the work. That can't be as easily claimed when it comes to photographs, which is almost always the exclusive property of the photographer and our fair use claim is very tenuous ("visual identification" of the individual). By getting permission of the photographer, or only posting photographs that have been released under a Creative Commons attribution (like those on Wikimedia Commons), we're protected from claims of copyright infringement. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== 2312 ==<br />
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I uploaded a better resolution scan and added a few more notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?351053 2312]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:16, 26 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganymedes ==<br />
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Added to the notes and uploaded a cover scan for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360813 Ganymedes 1] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361907 Ganymedes 2]. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 08:45, 2 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Deus Irae ==<br />
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Angus McKie's thus far tentative credit for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?230793 Deus Irae] is proven correct at [http://www.wow-art.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1331138412 this on-line gallery]. I've changed the Note to reflect this. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 12:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you very much! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:58, 29 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Untitled Fragment ==<br />
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You rejected my submission to remove "ss" from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?534297 Untitled Fragment ("Beneath the glare...")]. I've resubmitted the change. A fragment is not a story, it is not a short story, a novelette, a novella or a novel. Neither is a synopsis. Both are short fiction, though. Since it is a fragment, there is no way to tell how long the completed piece would have been if the author had completed it. The only way to categorize either a fragment or a synopsis that I can see is as shortfiction. This particular fragment was taken by Robert M. Price as the basis for a novelette he "finished" titled "Black Eons". But I don't see that the fragment should be called a novelette, it clearly is not. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:20, 2 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:The sole definition for SHORTFICTION types is the length in words. Take a look at the Help screen for editing. There is stated: ''The length of the item in words. (...). The options are:''<br />
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:'''sf - Shortfiction - This is the default story length for shortfiction and means the length is not defined.'''<br />
:'''ss - Shortstory - A work whose length is less than or equal to 7,500 words. (Roughly, 20 or fewer pages in a book.)'''<br />
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:That means that shortfiction is only an option if we don't know the length of the SHORTFICTION, so I have put your submission on hold. You may bring this up on a discussion page, but even if the day comes when we know the length of the complete piece the fragment would be made into a variant title and still have its length as a short story. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:31, 2 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry, I have to agree with Bob here. Even if it's not spelled out in the rules, it has been a defacto standard ever since I can remember: all excerpts are entered as SHORTFICTION without a length designation. Perhaps it should be codified, but a discussion on the rules page will make it clear which moderators follow this unwritten standard. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:52, 2 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::: I agree with Michael - the defacto standard for excerpts has been "sf" for quite a while. We do need to codify some other (mis?)uses of the length field at some point (think Novelizations, Juvenile books, Omnibuses) and it would be possible to add excerpt as a length option. But we probably want to clarify the relationships between titles a bit more clearly, so that we can cover "expansion of", "abridgement of", "excerpt from", etc. Let Ahauserus catch up on his sleep and coding backlog and we might start fixing these things. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:12, 2 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ok, I didn't know about this standard, so I'll approve of your sub., Bob. Sorry for the inconvenience! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:19, 2 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A duplicate of ''Fugue for a Darkening Island'' ==<br />
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Christian, Michael believes we have created duplicate verified records for Chris Priest's ''Fugue for a Darkening Island'' ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385931 mine], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345292 yours]). A couple of differences: mine's a tp (correct), yours is a pb; mine has a foreword running to "ix" pages, yours to "x" pages (in my copy the supposed 10th page is blank). The notes are obviously different; yours is more comprehensive. Could you check your copy with an eye to deleting either of them? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 07:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Do you think the notes for 'my' publication could be pasted into 'yours'? If so, I'd delete mine and verify yours. The pb could have been there from the start - without me entering it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Done now. Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385931 the remaining pub], if you want to do a P2. Cheers! [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 05:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Tage sind gezählt ==<br />
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Hi Christian, where necessary I added the German titles to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362868 this pub], and varianted them to the Dutch originals. Please check for mistakes, even copy-paste can't always be perfect. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, Willem! All seems quite perfect! I deletd the now superfluous list of German titles. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:56, 10 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Hönne / Gebrüder Zimmermann ==<br />
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Regarding our discussion about [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#.22Raubvogel_der_Sterne.22.2C_by_Marion_Zimmer_Bradley Raubvogel der Sterne] on Willem's talk page, you mentioned that "Hönne(-Verlag) was an imprint of Gebrüder Zimmermann". I checked my book, and Gebrüder Zimmermann <em>was listed</em> on the copyright page, so I changed the "publisher" to the standard "imprint / publisher" format. We had three other books listed under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?40082 Hönne], none of which were verified, so I changed them to the same format. (And added a publisher link to the Gebrüder Zimmermann web page.) Thanks again for the help! [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 18:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you for the additional information! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''What If Our World Is Their Heaven?'' ==<br />
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Christian, I've added a Canadian cover price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310338 this verified pub], but can you please check your US cover price? My copy is $14.95, 1st printing. Do you perhaps have a later printing with a different price? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 21:00, 26 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you, Pete! That was completely my fault: not really taking a look at the copyright page. I have changed my verified pub accordingly and already cloned a new pub for the first printing. Please take a look at the notes, especially at the printing statement. Thanks for finding this.<br />
:From one Dickhead to another: any chance that you would attend [http://www.philipkdickconferencedortmund.com/ this conference]? I think I'll go, at least for the weekend. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks, the Note was fine except for the Canadian cover price.<br />
::Re. the PKD conference, I'm not sure yet but it's possible I may be around. I'm certainly interested in attending, but is it actually a free conference? The registration form says they won't take a registration fee from attendants, and I couldn't see a price anywhere. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 19:49, 27 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::Well, it certainly looks like they won't take any fee. I think there'll be more readers of Dick attending than they do expect. It'd be nice to see you, or any other contributor. Please take also a look on my answer to Michael's suggestion: your input is wanted. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::A question for you guys: is there a sufficient amount of contributions by PKD for him to be co-credited? This title does not appear on his summary page, and it seems strange that only the editors are credited, if at least some or most of the wordage comes out of brain of PKD. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:02, 27 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::You are right, Michael. The question remains how to enter the conversations - as one loooong interview or would it be better to enter the sections that are on different themes as separate interviews? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::A book-length nonfiction work (as opposed to a nonfiction collection) doesn't have contents, except for introductions. We don't create a content record for the main body of the work. This is similar to a novel record's "content" being the novel itself. In this case, it appears that the interview '''is''' the work, regardless of how the editors broke it up into sections, like a novel broken into chapters. If you feel PKD should be credited, it would have to go into the author field of both the pub record and its title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:15, 28 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Ok, I added Dick as co-author in title and the three known publications.[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Sorry for getting back to you late – I see you've just made the edits. Yes, it's definitely credit-worthy: the majority of everything that's said in the book is by Dick. And I remember thinking, years ago when reading it, that Gwen Lee appeared to know nothing about him when she interviewed him! Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 09:49, 29 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Das galaktische Imperium by Isaac Asimov ==<br />
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You've helped me out in the past when it came to German editions of books that I own. So here goes. I would like to enter this volume but I'm unsure as to what on this book I should enter. <br />
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'''So here's what I see on the copyright page:'''<br />
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•Heyne Allgemeine Reihe Nr. 01/6607 (Repeated on the back-cover-MLB)<br />
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•Deutsche Übersetzung von Heinz Nagel<br />
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•Deutsche Ünschlagbild schuf Jim Harris (Book editor? Cover artist?-MLB)<br />
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•Redaktion: Wolfgang Jeschke (Translater?-MLB)<br />
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•Copyright 1985 der deutschen Übersetzung<br />
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•Printed in Germany 1990 (So what edition would this be? Do German books have numberlines?-MLB)<br />
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•Umschlaggestaltung: Atelier Ingrid Schütz, München<br />
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•Gesamtherstellung: Presse-Druck Augsburg<br />
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'''So here's what I see on the title page:'''<br />
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•Isaac Asimov: Das galaktische Imperium: Roman (This is also on the book's cover, but "Roman" is left off the title on the book's spine.-MLB)<br />
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•Deutsche Erstausgabe (Also found on the back-cover. "German translation"?-MLB)<br />
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•Wilhelm Heyne Verlag. (Heyne Books?-MLB)<br />
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'''So here's what I see on the contents page:'''<br />
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•Five parts: Erster Teil: Aurora, Zweiter Teil: Solaria, Dritter Teil: Baley's Welt, Vierter Teil: Aurora and Fünter Teil: Erde. I really don't need a translation, but, does "Teil" mean "Part", as in Erster Part/First Part: Aurora?<br />
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'''Here's what I see on the back cover:'''<br />
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•DM +014.80 (Deutchmarks?, and if so, what is the symbol for a Deutchmark?-MLB)<br />
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•Ein Heyne-Buch<br />
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•T 3-59-30<br />
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•1480 (This is on the spine over the Heyne banner. Is this the 1480th Heyne book, or book in this series? Although I suspect that this is '''not''' the 1480th book in Asimov's Empire and Robot series.-MLB)<br />
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Thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 23:16, 6 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I forgot, I posted some images of this publication here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B000MCKCHM/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_all. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 11:04, 7 October 2012 (UTC)MLB<br />
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:: Hello MLB! Christian seems to be on vacation and I own this book too. I'll try to answer your questions in ''italics'', who are relevant for entering the pub.<br />
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:Heyne Allgemeine Reihe Nr. 01/6607 (Repeated on the back-cover-MLB) ''(pub series: Heyne Allgemeine Reihe and the pub series number is 6607)''<br />
:Deutsche Übersetzung von Heinz Nagel ''(German translation by Heinz Nagel)''<br />
:Deutsche Ünschlagbild schuf Jim Harris (Book editor? Cover artist?-MLB) ''(Cover artist is Jim Harris)''<br />
:Redaktion: Wolfgang Jeschke (Translater?-MLB) ''(the editor is Wolfgang Jeschke)''<br />
:Copyright 1985 der deutschen Übersetzung ''(copyright year of the first german translation)''<br />
:Printed in Germany 1990 (So what edition would this be? Do German books have numberlines?-MLB) ''(year of the printing ,no numberline in german books, according to Deutsche Nationalbibliothek it's the fifth printing "5. Aufl.")'' [[https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm;jsessionid=1DF5E33D5D08D3322D5616345509359A.prod-worker5?query=Das+galaktische+Imperium+1990&method=simpleSearch]]<br />
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:Isaac Asimov: Das galaktische Imperium: Roman (This is also on the book's cover, but "Roman" is left off the title on the book's spine.-MLB) ''("Roman" is an explantion that this book is a novel)''<br />
:Deutsche Erstausgabe (Also found on the back-cover. "German translation"?-MLB) ''(First german edition)''<br />
:Wilhelm Heyne Verlag. (Heyne Books?-MLB) ''(publisher: Heyne)''<br />
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:Five parts: Erster Teil: Aurora, Zweiter Teil: Solaria, Dritter Teil: Baley's Welt, Vierter Teil: Aurora and Fünter Teil: Erde. I really don't need a translation, but, does "Teil" mean "Part", as in Erster Part/First Part: Aurora? ''(you've translated it correctly)''<br />
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:DM +014.80 (Deutchmarks?, and if so, what is the symbol for a Deutchmark?-MLB) ''(It's the price: DM 14.80)''<br />
:1480 (This is on the spine over the Heyne banner. Is this the 1480th Heyne book, or book in this series? Although I suspect that this is '''not''' the 1480th book in Asimov's Empire and Robot series.-MLB) ''(It's the price again)''<br />
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::I hope I could help as well. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:08, 8 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thank you for helping out, Rudolf! I'm back from my vacation and may help from now on any questions I'm able to help. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Neue Adam - S. G. Weinbaum ==<br />
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Hi, do you perhaps heve access to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?400296 this S. G. Weinbaum (according to the cover) title]? If so, can you check whether the title page states Stanley G. Weinbaum, as the corresponding OCLC number suggests? --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] already answered this, stating "on the front cover is stated "S. G. Weinbaum", but on the title page and the spine is stated "Stanley G. Weinbaum". So no need to take further action for you. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:29, 15 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Eclipse One ==<br />
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Added notes to {{P|258398|Eclipse One}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Photo of Kir Bulychev ==<br />
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I added the proper image license to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Kir_Bulychev_1997-1-.jpg this image file]. ISFDB rules require that all images uploaded to the ISFDB server have a license tag. Please update the record to supply the missing data (remove as many of the "unknown"s as possible). If you have a question about how to add image licenses to files, just ask. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Will add the information. Thanks for adding the template! In fact, I still haven't figured out how to add this thing, so help would be welcome. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:53, 3 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Unlike the automatic creation of image licenses that occur when you do a cover image upload using the "Upload Cover Scan" link on a publication record, all other image licenses have to be manually added to the file. After you've uploaded the image to the server go back to its wiki page and edit the page. You should add the template provided on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Author_Image_Data this page] for Author images. Here is the raw template:<br />
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<nowiki>{{Author Image Data</nowiki> <br /><br />
|Name=<Name of author> (person shown in picture) <br /><br />
|Photographer=<Person who took the picture> <br /><br />
|Source=<where did we get the image from> <br /><br />
|Publication=<Where and when was this image published> <br /><br />
|Portion=<How much of the image was used, if not the whole> <br /><br />
|Replaceable=<Why this image can not be replaced by a freely licensed image> (example: "The person is dead.") <br /><br />
|LowRes=<YesOrNo> <br /><br />
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::After adding this template into the edit box, you replace the info in the paramater fields with the proper data, that is everything inside the angle brackets (removing the brackets as well). An example:<br />
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<nowiki>{{Author Image Data </nowiki> <br><br />
|Name=John Smith<br><br />
|Photographer=Philip Smith<br><br />
|Source=Snagged from the author's website: www.johnsmith.com<br><br />
|Publication=Not applicable <br><br />
|Portion=Image cropped to just show the author's image. <br><br />
|Replaceable=Yes <br><br />
|LowRes=Yes <br><br />
<nowiki>}}</nowiki> <br /><br />
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::The example license will display like this:<br />
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{{Author Image Data <br />
|Name=John Smith<br />
|Photographer=Philip Smith<br />
|Source=Snagged from the author's website: www.johnsmith.com<br />
|Publication=Not applicable <br />
|Portion=Image cropped to just show the author's image. <br />
|Replaceable=Yes <br />
|LowRes=Yes <br />
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::Hope this helps. Let me know the next time you upload an author image if you need help. You have to be sure that the photograph isn't copyrighted by the author, publisher, or photographer. If it is, you have to get permission from the copyright holder and use [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:By_Permission this template.] If there is no copyright notice on the website, feel free to use the above template. I would be more careful about scanning photos from jacket covers which are very likely copyrighted even if the notice isn't present. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:45, 3 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A review of ''Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd'' ==<br />
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Christian, I'm entering data for issues of ''PKD Otaku'', some of which contain reprinted reviews. #12 has a review by Angus Taylor of Bruce Gillespie's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103335 ''Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd''], which it says first appeared in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293929 ''Foundation #10''], although that pub at the moment has no record of it. Can you please check? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 05:48, 5 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, I am in the process of entering the contents of this issue. The review is in this issue and should be in the ISFDB this evening at latest. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:30, 5 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Entered - though the issue still isn't complete: the review appears at the end and got pre-entered. I also merged the two reviews. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thanks very much. :) [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 09:24, 5 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Submissions to update records for ''Hunters of Gor'' ==<br />
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You accepted ten submissions on 2012-11-06 at 14:37 to update records of this title. There's no way of knowing what these submissions actually updated, but looking at the records it appears that publication dates were added to undated reprints of the title. It's possible that these may very well have been correctly dated, and the submissions may have been proper, but none of them show the source of the data. The editor who made the submission has had difficulty in understanding the need to provide a source for her updates. She's also had problems with responding to messages left on her talk page. One of these updates was for a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282235 verified record] for which she left a message on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dragoondelight the verifier's user page]. It was this improperly posted message that brought the situation to my attention. It is not ISFDB policy to enter "rough" publication dates based on unsourced data. When handling this editor's submissions, I have found it best to be even more careful than I would with other editors. Thanks for understanding. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:24, 7 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:You are right: I hoped that the editor would do as proposed, that is: update the records. If you do think it is better to be more careful then I will be in the future. Thanks for keeping eyes open! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Much appreciated. I'd missed the message you left her [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Cover_art_credit_and_publication_dates here] (it was in the body of another message I'd left earlier.) I'll let the other primary verifiers handle the changes to their records, especially Marc Kupper who is very particular when it comes to DAW Books and his verified records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:57, 7 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to book dealer listings ==<br />
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When you get a chance please take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Die_Welt_der_zwei_Monde this discussion] concerning the linked source for German editions of Edmund Cooper titles that Dirk submitted. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:54, 8 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Nova, #1" ==<br />
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Would it be safe to assume that the language of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1361828 Cartoon: no caption (Nova 1)] is German rather than English? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, of course! I have changed it accordingly. I must have switched it to English in a dark moment when I thought all untitled interior art should have English as language, in case they were or possibly would be published in English. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Hauptmann & Kompanie vs Hauptmann und Kompanie ==<br />
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Hi, did you know that you have verified both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?169796 Hauptmann und Kompanie Werbeagentur] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161873 Hauptmann & Kompanie Werbeagentur] as cover artist?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello, Dirk. Thank you very much for catching this one: I can't say if there was a change in crediting by Heyne or if it was my fault, since two of the books are packed away. But I'll change the lonely one. Thank you again! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Schlüssel zur anderen Welt" ==<br />
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Could the above be translated as 'Ring Around the Sun'? I ask because Tuck has a title ''Ring um die Sonne'' for a '62 edition by Zimmermann but under the same title has a '64 Moewig edition in the Terra series #329. The only record I can find for that series number has the title as in the posting header, as by Simak. But there are at least four Simak titles from Terra, see [[http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=simak+moewig&qt=results_page here]] not all of which I can match to English titles. Any help would be appreciated. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 19:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, yes and no. No, because it would be literally translated as 'Key to the Other World'. But yes, my bibliography of Simak's german publications - part of 'Bibliographisches Lexikon der utopisch-phantastischen Literatur' - says that it is a translation of 'Ring Around the Sun' and is its second german edition: it even states the translation as being the same (as by Heinz Zwack) and it is Terra #329. Hope that helps. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:32, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Excellent! I'll create the second [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404385 record/Variant]]. Much thanks! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 16:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::: On the OCLC page linked, there are three I haven't made records of. Terra #523 is mentioned by Tuck as containing three Simak stories, but he gives only the English titles and doesn't say if '''only''' Simak stories are in the edition. #269 ''Der Mond-Prospektor'' is maybe a translation of Cosmic Engineers?? And Terra-Nova #28 might be a translation of the novelette ''Physician to the Universe'' or another short collection? Neither of the latter two is mentioned by Tuck. Thanks! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 17:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Well, #523 has the title ''Nacht über dem Mars'' and does indeed contain three shortfictions by Simak: ''Physician . . .'' translated as ''Ärzte des Universums'', ''Skirmish'' translated as ''Vorpostengefecht'', and ''Seven Came Back'' translated as ''Nacht über dem Mars''. My bibliography has this as original collection (I even do own this one, but I am still in the process of determining the relatively exact date of publication, this is why I haven't verified it yet). <br />
:::::Tuck and OCLC give 1967; [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404404 entered]]<br />
:::: Correct, but as there were occasionally previews preceding the fiction content that linked the Terra digests to the 'Perry Rhodan' digests I hope to determine at least the month (or even the day), because for this latter magazine we have the pub. dates - I just haven't found the preview suggesting the dates for #523.<br />
:::: ''Der Mond-Prospektor'' is a translation of ''The Trouble with Tycho''.<br />
:::::Wouldn't have thought of that one! [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404405 entered]]<br />
:::: Probably it is because Tycho is a crater on the moon - you really have to think around some bendings to catch it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: My bibliography has #28 of Terra Nova as a selection from ''Worlds without End'', containing two shortfictions: ''Worlds without End'' translated as ''Die Gilde der Träumer'' (which is also the title of the digest), and ''Full Cycle'' translated as ''Die fliegenden Camps''.<br />
:::::My German really stinks .... lolol! I was sure 'Träumer' was physician ... ah, well. [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404406 entered]]<br />
:::::: 'Träumer' would be 'Dreamer'; both seem to share the same root (a few hundred years back).<br />
:::::::That was my first thought but couldn't find a Simak title with 'Dreamer' as a part, next idea was 'trauma', hence physician. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 21:26, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: I hope this will help. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:51, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Much thanks, will use the data provided to add the records and make the necessary variants. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:27, 29 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone pub binding format ==<br />
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I am in the process of changing the stated binding format of "8½ in x 10¾ in" to "A4" in about two dozen issues of ''Interzone'' in order to conform with the other issues for the time period. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:38, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you! That is a worthy task and I appreciate it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:50, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== illustrations from Drawing Down the Moon ==<br />
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I'd added some notes to Hand in With Fairy Grace, And for Her Sake I Did Raise the Child, and Titania that you rejected for "No answer to my request, so I am rejecting" , but you asked questions about another book and had these on hold to "get my attention" and I answered your question about the Tim White art book -- why did you reject these three? There was nothing questionable about them as far as my talk page. [[User:Ofearna|Ofearna]] 10:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry for the reject but as I saw it there was no answer to expect anymore, because you already archived the message in question: there were open questions and I can only recommend to read the messages before archiving them. It had nothing to do with getting your attention: it was another problem entirely.<br />
:I am sorry, but what should one do other than addressing a problem on the user's talk page? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Advice for entering German pubs ==<br />
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Hi. At the current pace I will probably be ready to tackle the German publications in my collection in a few more weeks. Originally I didn't intend to enter data for those books, but now that you and Rudam are around for a bit of coaching ☺ I feel more comfortable with the idea. I have noticed that non-English publications are added under a variant title, and that the title record has a language setting. Are there any other major things that you can think of that I should be aware of when entering my German stuff? The main bulk of what I will enter is a complete collection of Heyne's "Bibliothek der SF-Literatur". Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Just chiming in to suggest that you may find [[Help:How to enter foreign language editions]] useful :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:20, 8 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, the bulk of the Bibliothek has already been entered (not by me, but by Bill Longley - BLongley. That was really very kind of him), but some of them still have to be verified and updated (looking for the right date of publication; it stems from amazon and amazon isn't really reliable; adding contents and metadata). My way of doing it may be seen [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366528 here] or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366562 here]. At the least there should be the mention of the translator, information if it's a german first publication or new edition (what is stated in the publication), the printing no. and information on credits for the cover art.<br />
::You may have to be a bit more careful with pub.s by Bastei Lübbe from ca. 1980 up to ca. 1985. We have spotted really a major number of miscredited artists and some mistakenly announced firsts. But if you start with Heyne, it seems to me that you'll be on the safe side. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:41, 9 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::My best advice to Herzube is to first check to see if there is an existing German-language ''title record'' in the database. If not, use "Add New Novel" function and then afterward make its title record into a variant (if the original was an English-language title). If the German-language title record exists and the pub record doesn't, use the "Add Publication to This Title" function. If the pub record exists, update it if necessary and then verify it. If you're working on the Heyne series, it appears all you have to do is the last step. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:23, 9 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Vecer u Gradskoj, s Lidijom u mislima ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|353126|Nova, #11}} contains the Croatian story {{T|1288118|Vecer u Gradskoj, s Lidijom u mislima}}. However, the publication notes state "Ziljak's story translated by Thomas Brem as 'Ein Abend im City-Café, die Gedanken bei Lydia'". This implies the story should be entered in this publication as "Ein Abend im City-Café, die Gedanken bei Lydia" and varianted to "Vecer u Gradskoj, s Lidijom u mislima". Would you mind checking and reconciling the disconnect (add the variant or clarify the note)? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:47, 9 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks for finding this! I think all attempts to completely cover the mistakes one has done in the course of time are forfeit. I added the variant. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:42, 9 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Matriarchen von Isis ==<br />
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Hello, the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405349 this pub] looks a lot like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122001 this one]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 21:38, 14 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it does indeed! Thank you very much for this great find, Hervé! This is exactly why this site ''is'' the greatest! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:46, 15 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Metatropolis ==<br />
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Hello, in the note field for {{P|354746|Metatropolis}} that you have verified it is stated that the book is the translation while contents have all titles in English. Could you please check what's correct. Thank you. [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]] 00:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC).<br />
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:Will do: the book was entered at a time when there were no different languages supported. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you! [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]] 00:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC).<br />
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== Lo specchio dei sogni ==<br />
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Can you tell me how 07242.jpg is a better image than LSPCCHDSGN1994.jpg, which you rejected as a replacement for {{P|402851|Lo specchio dei sogni}}? [[User:Ofearna|Ofearna]] 16:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, I think it is clear enough to see that the fantascienza image has brighter colours, isn't deviating from the rectangular and shows only the book cover, not the table cloth under the book. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Removing the images... To answer: to me, the colors match the original better in the larger photo than in the small oranged-pinked fantascienza scan, but oh, well. I tried to find a clearer scan that wasn't itty bitty <font size=+3>☺ </font>. I'll bow to your expertise . [[User:Ofearna|O&#39;Fearna]] 04:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Erweiterte Synopse der nicht beendeten Revision des vorliegenden Romans'' ==<br />
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Hi. Your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405250 Der unteleportierte Mann] contains [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1533499 Erweiterte Synopse der nicht beendeten Revision des vorliegenden Romans], which has the note ''May be identical to or derived from 'The Missing Pages of The Unteleported Man by Philip K. Dick' by Paul Williams but isn't credited as such and has to be determined.'' Since I have the PKDS Newsletter with that text, we can check if they're identical. I rather think they're not, because ''The Missing Pages ...'' is not a synopsis, but the content of four rediscovered manuscript pages that were missing, and which were responsible for three gaps in the 1983 publication of ''The Unteleported Man''. The last two sentences of ''The Missing Pages ...'' are "But the choice; that remained totally with him ... and with the other humans involved. For better or worse." [[User:Darkday|Darkday]] 22:38, 13 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you very much for that much wanted information. It now seems that the two texts don't are identical, variants or extracts. Instead, I think it is something else - naming the german text as 'Synopse' was a fault right from the start, because this word has a different meaning. They are in fact additions & changes to the novel but seemingly not the ones published in the PKDS Newsletter. I'll change the text accordingly. Thank you, again. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:12, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Held submission ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?2044983 This] has been on hold for more than a month. At this point, there's really nothing the editor can do from his end other than cancelling the submission and entering again using the proper function. Alternately, you can either accept the submission and then merge the title records, or reject it. Your call. I have noticed that the editor has begun using the "Add Publication to This Title" function instead of "Add New Novel" in his latest submissions, so your message has gotten through. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:42, 24 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Linien der Zeit ISBN ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|363079|Die Linien der Zeit}} has a non-numeric character in the ISBN. I believe it should be 3-548-31'''0'''95-8? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:17, 5 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Clearly, you were right. Thanks for catching the mistake! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:58, 5 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Literary MTV" in English or auf Deutsch? ==<br />
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Is {{T|1297500|Literary MTV}} in your verified {{P|354254|Das Science Fiction Jahr Ausgabe 1991}} in English? If so, I think it should be merged with {{T|434471|this one}}. If not, then I suspect its language should be set to German. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, Marty! It was published in german, so I'll set it to that language. Maybe someone thought it ''had'' to be English, judging from the title. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Submission by Valis ==<br />
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I've removed the link to the cover image file on Wikipedia that was given in the submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410204 this record] and have asked the submitter to provide a source for their data. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, Michael! I hadn't looked into the exact link: got to remind me to that in the future. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Author photograph ==<br />
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If you can tell me who [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Jeffpubphoto2006.jpg this] is, and the source for the photograph, I can add the proper image license. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:52, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:It's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11334 Jeff Duntemann]. I asked for permission to use the photo from his website and he gave permission to do so. And I have now added a template, hope it's sufficient. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:15, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, it's fine. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Interzone #190 ==<br />
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Hello Christian, based on a remark by [[User:ForJohnScalzi|ForJohnScalzi]], I've simplfied the data for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?301561 this story] by compacting the title and deleting the "part Two". Hope you'll agree. Hervé [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Project Barrier ==<br />
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Hi, I found cover artist Bill Botten for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201001 this] Sphere 1970 publication [http://harmonia.meccahosting.com/~a000682b/ here]. Thanks. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 12:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Could you perform the update. Apparently I'm not allowed to, when I don't PV, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Horzel#Changing_a_primary_verified_publication.2C_again 'Changing a primary verified publication, again' discussion]. Thank you. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 11:57, 6 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you, for reminding me! Well, it may seem frustrating, but it does have some meaning - though it would be okay for me to have a change by somebody like you accepted after notification. I will add the artist; thank you very much for the addition! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:43, 6 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Image linking ==<br />
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Christian, when you get a chance please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:XtinaS#Best_SF this message] (about ''Best SF'') to a new user concerning their linking the ISFDB record to a non-permitted server. You probably overlooked the URL when the submission was accepted. It wasn't a very good image to begin with, so there's not much loss from my deleting it. I'll try to find a better one. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've uploaded to the ISFDB server a much better cover image. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Title field dating of periodical publications ==<br />
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I've noticed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1543028 a series of records] which were entered with the dates given in the format "1/83". It is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title ISFDB standard] that ''The date part of a magazine title should be given after the title, following a comma and a space. The month should be given in full and then the year in full.'' So "1/83" would be entered as "January 1983". At the time this rule was adopted and codified, the dating of non-English publications may not have been part of the discussion, because they were not eligible for the database. (I don't know because it happened before I entered the picture.) If you feel there should be further discussion of the matter, feel free to start a topic on the Rules & Standards discussion page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:02, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Well, in this case I took the part ''the magazine cover and the heading on the contents page are about equal in priority'' as guide. Since there is no heading on the title page, I took the cover as the main source and here taking the emphasized (bigger) date, understanding '1/83', '2/83' ... as a form of month and year. After all, the help text doesn't say it should be entered exactly as stated, but leaving some room for variation: after all, you would have some more difficulties with determinig the months: 'Août', 'Settembre', 'März' come to mind from different languages. I really do think that the chosen format is within the boundaries outlayed by the help text and think it is sufficient. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I would have to disagree that the format you've chosen to use follows the standard that "month should be given in full and then the year in full". In several discussions over the years, the conclusion was reached that even though the actual publication might state "Jan 83", "Jan 1983", "January 83", or "1/83", that there should be a consistent format, and that format is clearly given in the current standard. You're right. Nothing in the standard for this field implies that our "enter data as published" rule be followed. That's why the standard format was established regardless of how the publication is dated. As for non-English months, it was determined that once those publications were eligible for the database, that the English language be the database's standard language. Otherwise you would be entering the notes in the language of the publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Sorry, but somehow this passage is hidden or misplaced. There wasn't something like ''given in full'' in the help text for titles of magazines. It is only to be found if you scroll down to the ''Missing or variant dates'' section, and that isn't a section that came to my mind as worth reading in that regard, because the date isn't missing and also not an exact variant (under which I would subsume something like 'second half of 19..' or 'Spring 20..'). Sorry about that. But we still have two conflicting guidelines: the first to enter the title as near as exacty as stated (which would lead directly to the use of non-english months in my opinion) and the standard which was established for English magazines. In short: Ithink it's okay to change '3/83' into 'März 1983' but not into 'March 1983', which would collide with the stated month on the cover (or anywhere in the magazine). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, it's awkwardly entered, and its placement is probably confusing, but there is a note at the end of the subsection which says "See the note on missing and variant dates below '''for more on formatting this part of the title'''." (That subsection should be merged with the main Magazine subsection.) But there is ''nothing'' under the Magazine subsection which tells the editor to enter the date "exactly as stated". It's the standard to enter the date completely, and if you choose not to follow it, there's nothing I can do about it. But don't be surprised if another editor brings it to your attention in the future. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:02, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::No, the standard to enter the title of a publication "exactly as stated" is a general standard to remain as true as possible to the publication in question. In the cases of magazines this spirit should IMHO include the stated date (i.e. month). I will change the recorded dates to the months specified in the publications to keep up the standard I missed. Thanks for bringing my attention to this. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Brad R. Torgers[o|e]n on "Peacekeeper" ==<br />
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Would you check the spelling of Torgerson on "Peacekeeper" in your verified {{P|381924|Mammoth Book of SF Wars}}? He spells his name "sen", not "son". The Look Inside shows it as "sen" in the ToC. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, Marty, but I am unable to find the book instantly. It may be deposited in a place where I don't suppose that it'd be. Please change the spelling in the way you think it is appropriate, I'll check and inform you as soon as I find the book. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: It's indeed Torgersen also on title page, corrected. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thanks for stepping in, Hervé! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Lonely Souls" ==<br />
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I am not sure if you have seen the following "Feature Request" opened by an anonymous user a few minutes ago:<br />
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"Hey Stonecreek, I'm trying to reply to your note about "Lonely Souls" but can't figure out how. Help!"<br />
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I assume it's related to the message about Van Gelder's "Lonely Souls", which you left on [[User talk:Chris DeVito]] the other day. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:22, 6 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== SF-Anthologie ==<br />
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Shouldn't for these four titles the bold part be added in the name? As it is now the title is only partial I think.<br />
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* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411990] '''Science Fiction Anthologie Band 4:''' Die Vierziger Jahre II<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406413] '''Science Fiction Anthologie Band 3:''' Die Vierziger Jahre I<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?397561] '''Science Fiction Anthologie Band 2:''' Die Fünfziger Jahre II<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376715] '''Science Fiction Anthologie Band 1:''' Die Fünfziger Jahre I<br />
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:Well, no. It was a projected series of anthologies, and while it'd be possible to enter the full title it would be somewhat superfluous to have it doubled. And another bonus: the first two were published also as paperback (by Bastei Lübbe) and can be added without further difficulties, while still being part of the title series. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: You know that the official DNB entry is "Science Fiction Anthologie", same for OCLC, so actually they take the part as title, which you leave out. I don't think that's right to skip that part. According to what I learned last day the title is what is written on the title page and there the full title is written. Intentions don't count I got told. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 10:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, DNB has it as work in several parts ('mehrteiliges Werk'), which is either a publication series (as, for example, 'Terra') or a title series by ISFDB standards. OCLC is used only as reference for the existence of a publication, they do have sometimes mistakes (misspellings, wrong cover images). The covers as well as the title pages have only '''Band X: Die ...ger Jahre I/II''' in bold faces, so that this could be considered as the title. The '''Band X''' part is already reflected in the volume numbering within the series. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:21, 18 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Compared with other books from same publisher they usually have the Author in non-bold. And The Author is a part of the title. I'm still not convinced - the current entry misses and essitial information. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 12:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::The author isn't part of the title, he is part of the title information (in the other case NOVEL or ANTHOLOGY would also be part of the title). If you search for a title, you don't enter the author, only the title of the published work. Your note does emphasize my opinion that this isn't part of the title, as initially planned by the publisher, because they have only the title in bold. If you look at the title page, you'll see that all required information is there: one of the beauties of ISFDB. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:39, 18 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Das Science Fiction Jahr 2000 ==<br />
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Uploaded a new cover scan of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?339252 Das Science Fiction Jahr 2000]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 08:28, 24 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Sixty Days and Counting ==<br />
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Added cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260795 this edition of Sixty Days and Counting]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Kalimantan ==<br />
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The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2018 Legend Novellas] series has all publications listed under the publisher "Legend / Century" except for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186209 Kalimantan]. My copy has "A Legend novella published by Century" on the copyright page, which would account for the imprint nature of the publisher credit on all other records for this series. I'm suggesting a change to the publisher field for this pub to match the rest of the series. Also notifying Mhhutchins. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 19:53, 22 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for catching that one, Pete! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:57, 29 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bios'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that there is an ISBN-13 in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?300143 this 2003 publication]? Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367187 this one]? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for finding this. I already have corrected the Wilson novel and I'll try to find the Silverberg tomorrow. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:16, 18 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd ==<br />
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Found it! The item you want is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1464990 This one]. The full information on the letter is SF Commentary 9, February 1970, Pages 8-10, Written 8 June 1969. It occupies the bottom of page 31 through page 33. I found the book again while putting away some stuff from a trip to Worldcon.[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 22:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you very much for finding this! I know very well that you can lose track of a certain book, it seems to happen to me on a regular basis ;-( . [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Before it slips out of our universe again ;) could I ask you to take another look to establish an answer for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#A_title_in_Philip_K._Dick:_Electric_Shepherd this]? Thanks very much. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:10, 30 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Our Friends from Frolix 8 ==<br />
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Added a couple of generic notes to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25297 this]]. Nice scan! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 19:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the additions! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:59, 15 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Lösung Drei", by Naomi Mitchison ==<br />
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I was noticing that the cover of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405252 verified publication] has an unusual misspelling of the author's first name. Is it misspelled that way inside? Either way, it may deserve at least a note about the cover. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 01:37, 15 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for finding this omission on my side! While searching for an original English publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1364133 this story] (which I now added to a collection already in the database) I came across the site [http://www.lxnen.com/rogerbeccon/NMM/index.html Naomi Mitchison - Towards a Bibliography], which perhaps will be of interest to you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:40, 15 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks much for the link. I should spend some time going through that and see if they have volumes we need to add. (And ones to add to my collection :-) ) [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:49, 16 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Aufbau" and "Aufbau Tb" publishers ==<br />
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I was hoping you could take a look at this, since you've at least done a couple of WorldCat verifications on these publishers. We have both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?31249 Aufbau] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6336 Aufbau Tb] listed as separate publishers. They both are part of "Aufbau Verlag". My weak German reading of the [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufbau-Verlag Aufbau Verlag Wikipedia page] implies that "Aufbau Taschenbücher" (i.e., "Aufbau Tb") is an imprint of, or a publication series of, Aufbau Verlag. I've tried to link the two publishers on those publisher pages. But: (1) I don't know if I've interpreted things right and linked them properly; (2) I wonder if they should be combined under a single name, and "Aufbau Taschenbücher" just listed as a publication series. Your thoughts would be appreciated. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, the text says that 'Aufbau Verlag' now is a group of publishing houses consisting among others of publishers Aufbau Tb and Aufbau proper (similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_House Random House], but only active in Germany). I tend to use this and the different ISBN designations of 351 (Aufbau proper) and 7466 (Aufbau Taschenbuch) as guidance to set up different publishers, since both seem to indicate different legal entities. I should have one or two of the Aufbau Tb (though boxed and not of speculative content) and will take a look how the publisher is stated. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay, I have found a book published in 2003. It has only ''Aufbau Taschenbuch Verlag'' on title & copyright pages and on back, it has the 3-7466- ISBN and no mentioning of the parent publisher. I hope this helps. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:42, 16 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::: I see now that they use different ISBN ranges, so they really should be kept separate. But I wonder then if ''Aufbau Tb'' should be changed to ''Aufbau Taschenbuch'', both because it appears that this is how they list themselves, and to make the distinction easier. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:43, 17 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::You are right, thanks. I'll change it. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:44, 17 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Fugue for a Darkening Island'' ==<br />
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Christian, I've moved my verification for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385931 this tp] to Transient, if you want to take over the P1. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 09:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Will do. Thank you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== From one Dickhead to another… ==<br />
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Christian, it just occurred to me that I should have let you know about a PKD fanzine I edited last month: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430563 Journey Planet #16]. You can download it for free from eFanzines [http://www.efanzines.com/JourneyPlanet/index.htm here]. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 23:03, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Wow, it looks terrific and features some real gems. Thanks for the link, I'll devour it during the next days. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:53, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Plain Kate ==<br />
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I added a link to the artist's cover for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1495129 Plain Kate]<br />
http://www.julianakolesova.com/show.php?pic=1&targ=illustration but the system split it into two lines which don't work...<br />
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Thanks for approving it, but how to fix that link? [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 16:41, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, the best I could come up with was the way it is now (I'm really no expert in fine tuning web references): at least it is the first picture in line and one gets a good impression of the artist's range of work. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Rothfuss series ==<br />
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It seems that the world of The Kingkiller Chronicle is called The Four Corners ([http://kingkiller.wikia.com/wiki/The_Four_Corners_of_Civilization Kingkiller Wiki]), that's why I wanted to put the story in that series. Maybe making the Chronicle a subseries of a Four Corners Universe would be better, but unless there are further subseries that's maybe a bit too much for just one story? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 12:40, 8 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dark Verse, Volume 1, regarding name of author. ==<br />
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Hello Stonecreek!<br />
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The name of the writer of ''The Dark Verse'' stories is M. Amanuensis Sharkchild. On the title page of the book it is only Sharkchild. In his podcasts he introduces himself as Sharkchild. The essay at the back of the book is merely a blurb about the author and is entitled simply, M. Amanuensis Sharkchild. Since the guidelines say to use whatever is on the title page, I went with Sharkchild.<br />
[[User:Zygilix|Zygilix]] 01:13, 16 December 2013 (UTC)Zygilix<br />
:And you were perfectly right with that! Thank you very much for the answer. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:08, 16 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Monologue About the Weather", by Tommi Brem ==<br />
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You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?408513 this book] as an English language publication. [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/723943015 WorldCat] claims it's a German-language book. Based on the content titles, I assume that WorldCat is wrong, and that a note should be added to the publication record mentioning that. But I could imagine that it might be bilingual, and it just happens that all the spec fic titles are in English. So I'm hopeful that you would be willing to clarify the language status in this book's notes. Thanks, [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:04, 17 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was published in Germany, but all the contents were written (& published) in English. I also had the language set to English for this author. All his fiction only was published in this language, though his nonfiction was written and published originally in German. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:11, 17 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! I added a note to the publication record about this error in WorldCat. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 05:55, 17 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ISBN/Catalog # field in book club records ==<br />
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Christian, I saw Ofearna's submission to update the record for a book club edition in the queue, and when I tried to place it on hold, you'd already accepted it. There were a few problems with it which I brought to her attention on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#ISBN_.2F_ID_numbers_for_book_club_editions here talk page.] Just thought you'd be interested in the unusual situation with how to record the ISBN and/or catalog number in a book club edition. <br />
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BTW, I would like to thank you sincerely for your efforts to defend me in the discussion which took place over the past few weeks on the Moderator Noticeboard. Although I think the respite is only temporary (the poster has sworn to get some kind of revenge some how), it is a relief not to face them each day. After the first few rounds, I thought it best to just remain out of the discussion, and was very happy to see you step up to state a good case. Unfortunately, the guy's anger towards me doesn't allow him to see the truth. I'm sure he'll return again with another user name, and it will start all over again. Thank you again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry that I accepted the submission, Michael, it is still a process of learning for me in some fields.<br />
:The discussion really was unpleasant, and as I still think there has to be some kind of paranoia directed against people involved. The attacks seemingly come with no foundation or reason: I read through the first argument, and it appears that he gets tremendously upset when someone (alas, it were Chavey and you) only reminds him of his omissions, while you made it clear to him shortly before, that this may happen to a beginner. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Recent integration ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436634 This record] gives the Amazon sale price, not the list price. Also, "Dutton Adult" isn't a publisher in the database (there probably was a moderator warning stating this). According to the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/757469826 OCLC record] the publisher is Dutton, and the page count is 390. I seriously doubt that the data is from the author's website, as it appears to be identical to Amazon's (you know how they round off page numbers and give false publisher data.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:42, 16 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Header for the William Spencer bio page ==<br />
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I returned the BioHeader (which links back to the author's summary page) that was removed when you created the page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, Michael. I didn't consciously delete the heading, it wasn't on display after logging into the wiki. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:46, 16 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Epoch (and more) ==<br />
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Thank-you for letting me know how I can improve. In the future I will refrain from adding links to images. If you see other areas I can improve on please keep letting me know!<br />
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== Misaligned ISBN ==<br />
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Can you check to see if the ISBN-13 is given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?434692 this book]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?379115 this book], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414294 this book], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405339 this book], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?408495 this book], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375343 this book], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402348 this book]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Probably they were just copied while using the clone function, but I will check them one by one. It'll take some time, though, because some of them may be distributed at various places. Thanks anyway, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:20, 3 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Interviews of pseudonyms ==<br />
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I changed the interviewee of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1659214 this interview] from "Monika Niehaus-Osterloh" to Monika Niehaus so that it matches that of the author's canonical name. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:59, 14 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you, Michael. I made the connection between the two names only recently, because it has crytallized with new titles that Monika Niehaus will be likely the canonical name. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:51, 14 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mammoth Book of SF Wars ==<br />
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I have a couple of questions on your verified {{P|381924|The Mammoth Book of SF Wars}}:<br />
*Junked, p145: In the {{P|387730|Running Press edition}}, this story is subtitled on the title page (Junked: A Combat K Adventure). Is the subtitle not present in Robinson edition?<br />
*Cover Artist: Per the notes field, it sounds like the credit should be {{A|joeroberts.co.uk}} which is a pseudonym of {{A|Joe Roberts}}?<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:58, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Well, I have to find the book first, before I am able to answer your first question and I hope that I will find it later this day.<br />
:For cover artists we have both usages: a) to credit the pseudonym stated or b) to credit the canonical name and note the actual statement. I now usually do the second, and I think the first is excluded per se in this case, because joeroberts.co.uk is no name, but an address. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:31, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::The ISFDB standard is to credit as explicitly stated within the publication (with a few exceptions like publisher name standardization). I know of no exception for cover artist credits that would credit the canonical name over a stated pseudonym. Can you point that out? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:30, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I chime in as I can perhaps more easily pull out my copy than Christian. The subtitle is present, I've made the changes. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:38, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Preface to I Shudder at Your Touch ==<br />
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Hi -- I'm curious to know what you did to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1053917 this title]. I assumed that the version with Michele Slung's name should be a variant of the uncredited one, per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:TitleFields:Author this help page], but it looks as if you reversed that. I assume that's usual practice, in that case, and the help file is wrong? [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] [[User_talk:Mike Christie|(talk)]] 17:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahasuerus&diff=342535
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2014-02-15T14:38:39Z
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Chavey&diff=342153
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2014-02-13T01:22:17Z
<p>Mike Christie: /* Zettel/Playing God */ Fool's War too</p>
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