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<p>MartyD: /* The Year's Best Horror Stories: XIX */ there is disagreement about that.</p>
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== Harper Hall of Pern ==<br />
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Question about [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126781 this]] record. I have to assume your copy has one of the two "Q" gutter codes? I have one with a previous code "P05" but the number SFBC # does not have the leading '0', just 3678. I think there should be two records, one for copies with just the four-digit code [which Locus somehow '''adds''' a '0' to the end] and one for the five-digit, which can be dated to Feb or Apr '86 [likely both have the leading '0']. Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 23:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Mine has "03678" in a small white box at the bottom right of the back cover (which is solid green otherwise). The gutter code on p. 499 looks like "O29" to me. There's no mistaking the "29". I suppose it's possible it's Q29 instead of O29 -- the printing is not the crispest in the world -- but I can't tell, even under a magnifying glass. FWIW, there's a faint ring around the gutter code, I presume from the stamping. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: There is a possibility that the jacket was not original to the book, I've found that a couple of times buying SFBC editions second-hand. A seller may have two and just combines the best book with the best jacket ... otherwise it's probably a 'Q' as the SFBC never went back to a four-digit code once they used a five-digit one. Odd, too, my copy's jacket is blue on the back. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 16:45, 1 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm pretty sure I got this copy from the SFBC, not second-hand. But I would not have gotten it before mid-1985, and it's certainly possible I got it in 1986. I know I don't have those records anymore, unfortunately. Anyway, I'm not opposed to two records or to treating what I have as "Q29" and adjusting notes accordingly. I defer data entry/organization decisions to the SFBC organizers. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Yeah, I used to have all my stuff from the club but tossed it when I quit in about 1991. Who'd have known .... Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 18:26, 4 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Requiem for a Ruler of Worlds ==<br />
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I've made a small change to the note.[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27864] DK is visible before the cutoff.--[[User:Auric|Auric]] 16:06, 7 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Daughter of the Blood'' ==<br />
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I've removed the date from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567838 this publication record]. A book with an ISBN-13 can not have been published in 1998. Based on the ISBN range, it probably was published circa 2007-2008. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:54, 25 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|17136|this pub}}, is it really "Hitchiker" as entered or "Hitchhiker"? If that edition used "Hitchiker", then its title record needs to be unmerged from the others and a variant established. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:25, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:No, just a typo I never noticed. Thanks for catching it. Fixed. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:50, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Tom's Midnight Garden variant author name only ==<br />
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Hi. Today I completed verification of HarperTrophy edition 1st printings, after preliminary change from author "Philippa" to "A. Philippa" which you approved. Is there any alternative to the three-stage submission<br />
# import the other Title records (in this case, only the fiction Title as by "A. Philippa")<br />
# remove the other Title records (here the novel by "Philippa")<br />
# edit the publication record otherwise as appropriate<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:There is no way to do it with fewer steps, unless the title is not used by any other publication. If it is not used elsewhere, you can edit the publication directly and change the author credits for both it and the title. Then you only need a second step, to merge the new title record with the existing one (that you otherwise would have imported). Once you have a title that is used by more than one publication, the additional removal step is always required. And you can either add while editing and merge or import and edit, as you did -- each requiring two more steps. I slightly prefer add-and-merge because it avoids leaving a publication that does not match its title, making it a little safer. I'm sorry, I should have done those other steps for you to save you some time. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Variable Star ==<br />
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Can you check the cover image for {{P|220033|Variable Star}}. My copy has a short comment from The New York Times at the bottom right of the Front Cover. In fact it is the same as the Fourth edition {{P|542451|Variable Star}}. It's probably due to the cover coming from Amazon. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 13:43, 26 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:My wife has been reorganizing the books, and I don't immediately find it. I will have to look for it this weekend, when I will have time to dig through the boxes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Have you managed to find time to have a look through your boxes for this book? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 13:05, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Sorry, I hadn't meant for it to be quite such a long weekend.... I did find it. Mine has ''"I'd nominate Spider Robinson as the new Robert Heinlein." -- The New York Times"'' at the bottom right. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:29, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I uploaded the appropriate cover image. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:02, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, that matches my cover. Thanks. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 14:20, 16 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Small Favor" - Jim Butcher ==<br />
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I modified your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273938 pub] by replacing the Amazon image with a scan, and added the Author's Note as an additional title, just as a small favor. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Science Fiction Chronicle - 1993 ==<br />
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You recently okayed a submission from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vornoff Vornoff] of a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3148973 title merge] for Science Fiction Chronicle - 1993. while the merge was fine (I am entering issues for that year), there are multiple variant titles that appear for that year on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1111 author's summary page]. I would like to enlist your help on how I should handle this. Should I merge the variants<br />
together for that year separately, or with the titles already merged, is one question I have, and any other help you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 15:04, 8 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It looks like there are two for 1993 using Andrew Porter, and then a whole bunch for 1993 using Andrew I. Porter, with each Andrew Porter one having some of the Andrew I. Porter ones. The Andrew Porter ones will need to be merged with each other, and the Andrew I. Porter ones will need to be merged with each other. The end result will be one Andrew Porter as the parent and one Andrew I. Porter as the variant (and "only as by", the way it looks). The safest approach is to do one of those merges, then do the other once the first is accepted, although you can do them in parallel, as long as you keep in mind that the lowest ID is always the survivor in a merge (so when merging the variants, you'd need to keep the parent ID that is lowest). It doesn't really matter what order you do them in. If you do Andrew Porter first, all of the variants will then have the same parent. If you do the variants first, one of the Andrew Porter ones will no longer have any publications or variants, but that will be resolved when you merge those. Does that help? Please ask if it's not clear. If you'd rather I did it, let me know. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:49, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks for taking the time to give a great explanation. I've submitted the merges per your instructions. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 03:06, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Sorry if I caused any confusion, but your explanation was quite helpful for the future. Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 05:39, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?239817 Rebel Fey] ==<br />
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Somebody added the cover artist to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?95741 hardcover], and I added Stone's name to the ebook version, I hesitated to touch your verification. I suspect that Stone is responsible for many of these covers, if he really did them, as the same models turn up in them. What do you think? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Locus1 credits the artwork on the hardcover to Stone. A little Google work suggests the credit is given there on one of the dust wrapper's flaps. Since the paperback is the same artwork, there's no reason not to carry the credit along. I will add it and adjust the notes on that and the hardcover. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:36, 24 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Okay, looking at the acknowledgements page in '''''Traitor to the Blood''''' the authors thank both Koveck (who was given credit) and Steve Stone. I guess that settles that question. Now if only somebody would credit the mapmaker. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Corrected page count to '''''Traitor to the Blood''''' and added a note about the map in the note section. Hope this was okay. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:25, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, fine, thank you. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:51, 24 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Subtitles (Bilbo's Last Song) ==<br />
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Hi, MartyD. We exchanged a few months ago regarding the very long subtitles of Robert Nye's Falstaff and Faust books. Recalling that, and because I see you are hard at work as I must depart, I consult you.<br />
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This is one PV record that I will rearrange or reformat. The crucial points transcribed before returning the book to the library today:<br />
: -- Bilbo's Last Song (At the Grey Havens) :: title page of book <br />
: -- Bilbo's Last Song (at the Grey Havens) :: heading of poem p27<br />
Regarding the title of the book, I understand that we insert a colon optionally to designate a line break that we choose to interpret as title and subtitle. But that fashioning is inconsistent with the use of parentheses, so we would never use both, as one WorldCat record does: ''Bilbo's Last Song: (...)''<br />
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For us, too, I think the colon implies uppercase 'A' and the parentheses imply lowercase 'a'<br />
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Do you agree with both interpretations of our standards?<br />
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I chose to retain the parentheses, as LCCN does not, and downcase 'at'. This happens to match the title of the poem as fashioned on p27 of the book and has the big advantage that it matches one PV by Nihonjoe P{{p|402468}}. (Another PV simply Notes the title page subtitle.)<br />
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For the first edition Farmer Giles of Ham P{{p|269840}}, LC reports a very long subtitle that appears on the title page as I understand LCCN 86-155324. I chose to Note it in the same fashion. <br />
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Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I was done for the evening. For punctuation, what matters is what's actually in the publication. If it is presented with punctuation (parentheses, colon, dash, etc.), we preserve that. If it is presented as title over subtitle or title in one location and subtitle in another, we would insert a colon between the two in our record. Other than that, use of parentheses that we add is only for disambiguation. With different poems having the same title, we would use some or all of the first line in parentheses for that purpose. So it sounds like the book is using parentheses, and preserving them is correct.<br />
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:For capitalization, we normalize the capitalization according to our rules, unless we believe the choice of capitalization is deliberate and/or to carry special meaning. Here, that is clearly not the case. The rules are not explicit about subtitles, and practice is inconsistent from editor to editor. I treat the subtitle as if it were a standalone title and capitalize it that way. Others treat it as a continuation of the main title and capitalize it that way. So here, I would use "At", but some others would use "at", and neither is considered wrong. You should not, however, add another title with the opposite capitalization if there's already a record -- in that case, just follow the precedent for that title. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== {{P|282376|Dragonstar}} ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon cover art with a scan of my copy. I've also added a few extra notes. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 21:28, 18 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Star Trek 9 ==<br />
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Was able to add the month to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284324 this]] from a later printing [with note]. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 19:09, 29 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== City Psychonaut==<br />
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Hi, CITY PSYCHONAUT is out on Amazon; I'm not sure how to best grab the cover. <br />
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0997296895<br />
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Best wishes,<br />
Robin<br />
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:If you would like to try it yourself:<br />
:# Visit the above link, right-click on the image, and Copy (or Copy Link or Copy URL--[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:33, 5 November 2016 (UTC) or something like that, depending on your browser).<br />
:# Then go to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588436 the pub] and pick Edit This Pub from the menu at the left.<br />
:# Paste the link into the Image URL field. You should see something like: <pre>https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/519rNcj%2BVbL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg</pre>.<br />
:# Edit that to remove everything between the last two periods, and remove one of the periods as well. You should end up with something like: <pre>https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/519rNcj%2BVbL.jpg</pre><br />
:# Submit!<br />
:That's how to use Amazon links. (All of the stuff you deleted is embedded sizing information that Amazon's server interprets and will lead to white boxes and other undesirable things if left in there).<br />
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:Give it a try if you'd like. If not, I am happy to do it for you. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:33, 5 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Wraiths of Time ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|277310|Wraiths of Time}}: Your note states this is a first printing per the number line. This seems like it is a duplicate of {{P|55510}}. Unless I'm missing something (in which case the notes should be updated), your verification should be moved over to the later pub and 277310 deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:13, 30 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, you are probably right. I will dig up my copy and double-check. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:01, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Apparent 6th printing ==<br />
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Hi. Last hour you approved my entry of the "apparent 6th printing" of ''Dying to Meet You'' (Sandpiper, 2010), which I verified P{{p|596751}}. The crucial third list item transcribes the last three lines of the copyright page: <br />
: C.p. concludes below "Manufactured in the [USA]": <br />
: -- "DOC 10 9 8 7 6" (6th printing?) <br />
: -- "4500302178"<br />
Do you agree that this indicates I have 6th printing of the Sandpiper edition? Do you know the meaning of "DOC" or the last line (not ISBN-10)? <br />
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Mhhutchins urged me to reproduce numberlines, for someday analysis, but I rarely do so. (Without "DOC" I would be confident that its a printing-number line.) <br />
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Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:16, 6 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I like preserving unusual number lines in the notes. But it's up to you. I read "DOC 10 9 8 7 6" as indicating a 6th printing. If you Google that, you'll find examples of a full line "DOC 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1". I don't know what DOC might mean. Perhaps it's something as simple as "document". I believe the other number is some sort of serial/catalogue number. If you look at the numberline search hits that are on Google Books, you'll see those also have a similar number below the number line. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to story titles ==<br />
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I have twice submitted changes to the titles of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1465495 "The Messenger"] (currently spelled "The Messehger") and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1465481 "The Strega's Last Dance"] (currently spelled "Stega"); both times they were not changed. Why is that? Is it because the previous spellings were verified by someone else? Mine are based on a book in my possession. I have left a message for the verifier, Don Erikson, but since Don has not answered any messages in a month, I'm not going to wait for an answer before submitting the correction. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 03:52, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Never mind, Stonecreek took care of it. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 04:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Because it affected a verified copy, and you didn't mention anything about it in the submission's note to the moderator, I needed to go check whether you had notified the verifier of the change. When there are a lot of submissions in the queue, I usually skip ones where I have to do work in the Wiki and go back to them. Last night I ran out of time and did not get to go do that. Sorry. Some moderators may also avoid submissions that cannot obviously be accepted without additional work. Another thing that happens sometimes (did not apply to this submission, but if I recall correctly, you had one or two others I also skipped) is that most moderators will skip submissions that make any sort of significant change to a publication having other moderators among the primary verifiers; there the submission is often left for one of those moderators to look at. You don't need to worry -- anything not processed remains there for everyone to see, and someone will get to it. Does that make sense? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, that's fine, thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:48, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Story of Umetsu Chubei" ==<br />
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You are evidently wondering why I changed the date of this story - that's because it's a variant title, I'm going to variant it to one with the original date. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Ok, thanks. A note to the moderator would have avoided the hold -- I was going to have to go do some research. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Los asesinos del tiempo ==<br />
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I am canceling this one - the language needs to go in the other direction (looks like you are looking at it now - sorry for not catching it earlier - I was reviewing the ones I did and realized I got it wrong) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:49, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it looked backwards to me. I hadn't yet had a chance to research/write you a note. Many submissions! :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Cancelled and submitted in the other way (fixing the text entry instead). I had been careful today on clearing these but one slipped apparently - which is why I was reviewing a second time - you just got it before my review got to it. Sorry :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Not a problem. It's always good to be able to demonstrate that I actually review the submissions.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:01, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Steve Dillon ==<br />
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I would like to undo the edit that I did creating "Steve Dillon (comics)". I don't know who was interviewed in the Irish Science Fiction Association's magazine ''FTL''. I am pretty darn certain that it wasn't the Australian guy who created the Refuge Collection, but otherwise, who...? I will put up a verification request, unlikely as it is to find an answer, but meanwhile, please change that to something neutral like "Steve Dillon (I)". --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 04:03, 28 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I don't know how I missed this. Done now. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Birthstone Gothics ==<br />
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Answered your question about this series [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#The_Amethyst_Tears_publisher here]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:23, 28 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Darkenheight ==<br />
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My copy of {{P|9015|Darkenheight}} has a printing line [10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1] at the bottom of the Copyright page. Maybe it should be mentioned that some copies do have a printing line? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 16:54, 29 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:If yours has a numberline, we likely have different editions. I will see if I can dig up my copy and get more details from it for you so we can compare. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Capitalization ==<br />
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There is simply no way a two-letter preposition should be capitalized... not your fault, you're just following the list, but I'm going to take this to R&S because that list is all wrong. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:27, 30 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Farthest Shore ==<br />
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Updated {{P|282805|The Farthest Shore}} to add cover scan, add note on interior art credit, and update page numbers to reflect the last page is unnumbered. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 2 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== NOVEL to COLLECTION ==<br />
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Happy New Year. At User talk:Cary you remarked aside that there we have one publication of the book ''Doctor Dolittle's Puddleby Adventures'' --true, the other records for that title are for contents in editions of the ''Treasury'' book. In that circumstance is a single "toggle" of the Title{{t|1354275}} Type field from NOVEL to COLLECTION sufficient to amend the database on that point? Is that what you did after reading my Title Note, or my exchange with Cary? <br />
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:Yes, it's pretty much that simple: Change the title type and change the pub type. If the title had not been included in other publications, it could have been done in a single Edit Pub, but when a title appears in more than one publication it must be edited separately. There is only one title record, and all places it appears point to it, so once you've changed the type, that new type appears everywhere. If there were variants, separate edits would be required to change their types to match, though.<br />
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:One thing that should be done with the collection is to add the contents and then import the contents into the other publications that include the collection. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:53, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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At the end of 2016, i hustled to rid the Doctor Dolittle series of "Dr." titles. I was able to complete that by good fortune for all the cover and interior titles, and by hard work for the ''Green Canary'', whose final submission you approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3278563]. I guess you went ahead by analogy, or another editor did so NYEve/Day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:50, 3 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure what you mean. I think I did edit something where I accepted a submission changing the pub or title and there was no submission changing the other. But as long as you're happy, I'm happy. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:53, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Painter Knight ==<br />
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For {{P|45042|The Painter Knight}} I've added the source of the Cover Artist, included the Canadian Price and added the Maps. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 15:03, 10 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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==Missão Impossível==<br />
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Hi, please check the following discussion in my [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Wolland#Miss.C3.A3o_Imposs.C3.ADvel page].<br />
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== Green Knowe series Of/of At/at ==<br />
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Hi, Marty. Having entered much data on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?7311 Green Knowe series] this weekend, today I noticed that some of the titles are spelled with inappropriate capital prepositions 'Of' and 'At'. Evidently there is no automated clean-up, as all were verified from Tuck by Mhhutchins in 2008. Is there any shortcut to fix these? <br />
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As far as I know, those are the only remaining Green Knowe title errors in COVERART and INTERIORART as well as NOVEL and multiple Publication titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:34, 24 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Unfortunately, no. But [[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] has been on mission to fix capitalization inconsistencies lately. You could point him at them. :-) You could see if Ahasuerus would be willing to run a database script to fix them. I don't know how he would feel about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:43, 24 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== You are too quick for me ==<br />
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MartyD, Ten minutes ago you approved four or my TitleUpdate submissions for "My First Aeroplane" --while I submitted with errors, and re-submitted. If it works for you to lag a few minutes, let me recommend that. Lacking any preview, I submit and proofread the display to catch markup errors at least, then go back [Alt <-] and revise, etc; visit My Pending Edits and cancel all but the latest only when the display is correct. I don't often augment submissions, or make substantial revisions this way (instead cancel immediately). Most concern database markup, such as ">, /a>, /i>, and /ul>, and I do complete most of them within a few minutes. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:20, 20 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:It's ok, it wasn't a problem. I saw your additional submissions when I went to fix the HTML from the first one, and I realized you saw what was wrong, so I did not do any extra work. It was just as easy to approve them as to reject or cancel them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:14, 20 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sons of Maeve Trilogy later edition ==<br />
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Marty, thanks for approving my clone submission for {{P|606193|The Sons of Maeve Trilogy}}. Thanks also for letting me make the fixes you suggested. That has helped me learn things I didn't know I could do.[[User:Jolylchu|Jolylchu]] 01:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dragon's Hoard ==<br />
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Hi Marty! Thank you for looking over the Dragon's Hoard entry and approving it. I'd accidentally hit the submit button halfway through entering the data and just used the back button to return the entry screen. I didn't realize two records would be created. (Still learning my way around this place.) <br />
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I've edited the original record and cancelled the second entry this morning. Question, because I did forget Mosaic in the TOC the first time, and entered it at the bottom of the entries when I updated. Is there a problem entering TOC contents out of order? (If so, how do I make it right? You can point me to a help page if that's convenient.) Also: the poem is on an unnumbered page, and it looks as though I've forgotten the page number. Should I make a note of that? Thanks! [[User:Zinnia|Zinnia]] 13:58, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Responded to [[User_talk:Zinnia#The_Dragon.27s_Hoard|here]]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Einstein's Monsters ==<br />
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Hello Marty, in order to avoid an editing war for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?607091 this pub], I'm wondering how a 2003 book can have printed on it an ISBN-13 as it appeared only (in the 4th edition of the standards) in 2005 and was scheduled to be in use for 2007. Note also that, if you used [https://www.amazon.fr/Einsteins-Monsters-Martin-Amis/dp/0099768917/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1488443266&sr=8-1#reader_0099768917 this] as a source the price on bc is £6.99 and not the £8.99 that is stated in the involved record (which so hints to a later and undated printing coherent with an ISBN-13). Either we set the ISBN to ISBN-10 and keep the 2003 or we set the date to "0000" (as I did and that you changed) and suppose that it's a post-2007 printing with an ISBN-13. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:40, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Ha! I didn't even realize we were having an editing war. :-) I thought I had set the date to 0000 while meaning to have set it to 2003, so I "fixed" it. It did not occur to me that someone had changed it. You're right, of course. I wasn't thinking about that. I will fix it and adjust the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:34, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:p.s. ISBN-13s can go back to 2005 (still later than this 2003). See [http://www.isbn-13.info/example this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:39, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, Note that this 5th printing has a £6.99 price (see last page). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:49, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::You said that, didn't you? I can only plead no coffee yet.... Fixed. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
::::It's after lunch here... [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Full titles for Titles and Publications ==<br />
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Marty, I see that you are at your station as I depart. See my last [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3371214 submission 3371214]; no submissions on the publications or contents. We discussed the use of short titles once. So did Mhhutchins and I. Different guidelines, or leeway for editors, concerning Publication titles, or specifically art titles, or chapbook titles, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:59, 21 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Ok. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. If you think they all use that title, then go right ahead and change the pubs, too. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:07, 21 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Are you available to serve as moderator for a project this afternoon? ==<br />
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Hi Marty -- As I [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Proposed_canonical_name_change:_Paul_.28G..29_Tremblay mentioned on the moderator noticeboard], I'm about to start changing Paul Tremblay's canonical name from "Paul G. Tremblay", and it occurs to me that, seeing as it will be a multi-stage process, it would be nice to avoid having that standing about in a half-finished situation for too long by scheduling a time with a moderator. Are you going to be around this afternoon & would be willing to watch for my Tremblay edits and approve them? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:44, 26 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I had some big household chores to do this afternoon. I will be on for the next two hours or so. I'll be working on the queue, so if I see Tremblay submissions, I'll get after them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Management of canonical name change: Bo Balder ==<br />
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Hi, I saw that you accepted my edits changing the name on publess records from Boukje Balder to Bo Balder. Did you then variant them to the existing Bo Balder records? Actually, I was going to merge them. The reason for doing it that way is, when you start out with a new-canonical-name record varianted to a publess old-canonical-name record, there may be a different length or date between the two records, and if you just unvariant the NCN and discard the OCN, you lose that information. So, unvariant, change author on OCN record, merge. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:No, I did not touch them, other than to accept the edits. You've been working your way through them, so I didn't see the need to do anything and did not want to interfere. I usually only do variants when I see pseudonyms in new publication submissions. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:53, 6 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: Huh, I wonder who did that, then. Well, it's all fixed and done now. (There was the same thing with a few of the Robin Hobb books -- when I created the new titles, someone stepped in and varianted them instead of merging.) --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:14, 6 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to The Book of Night With Moon ==<br />
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I have made some changes to {{P|165361|The Book of Night with Moon}}. Imported contents to match verified {{P|36345|trade-paperback}} and {{P|275127|SF Book Club}} versions, added un-numbered pages in front because of those contents, and added more details to Notes. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:47, 8 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sintram ==<br />
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Marty<br />
Limited from my phone ..having departed today. Re title 1144969 sintram and his companions I expected to be able to change from collection to chapbook after removing spurious contents. Title story is only fiction in all 5 publications evidently ..altho back cover blurb is confusing. But COLLECTION is not editable. --Pwendt<br />
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:Ok, I will fix it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:26, 3 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:I think I got everything. Some of the dates on the English variants may not be correct. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:04, 3 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks. I am still working on the grouping and dating of Sintram and other Baron Friedrich dlMF title records, on/off, and E. Nesbit and George Macdonald records where translations are not involved. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:18, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Diacritics as well as caps ==<br />
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Recently you informed me that the database does not recognize names spelled with and without diacritics as distinct, [[User talk:Pwendt#Fouqué versus Fouque]], as it does not for names spelled with upper and lower case letters. So we may fund on title pages and in reliable library records eight fashionings of "de La Motte Fouqué" alone (without hyphen, forename, title) but they must be booked as one. I suppose you are right, which means that the manual is half right. It is clear that we should attend to diacritics.<br />
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[[Help:Screen:NewPub#Author(s)]] <br />
: (quote) The name should be entered ''exactly'' as it is actually given on the publication's title page." ...<br />
: ''Case''. Case should be regularized. ... Author names that vary only in capitalization are not tracked as variants.<br />
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: ''Accented characters''. If you are entering a name such as "Philip José Farmer" that is printed with an accented e, that accented character should be reproduced in your entry of the name. '''Two versions of an author's name that are printed with and without accents are treated as variants'''; you should not convert one form to another. However, if an accented form is given on a story title, but an unaccented form is given on the table of contents, use the accented form as the standard. (end quote)<br />
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Some time ago I failed to enter works, or update them, as by "Willy Pogány" --not even the joint work we have as by "Willy Pogany" and "Elaine Pogány" T{{t|1831219}}. Here I think I can recommend a change of our unique name for him, from Pogany to Pogány. Having 20 variants for Fouque/Fouqué, I am not ready to say that any one should gain or lose the diacritical mark, or a capital 'De' or 'La'.<br />
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Months ago concerning caps, [[#Green Knowe series Of/of At/at]], you suggested that I direct [[User:Vasha77]] to the series, which I did not. (Just now I submitted fixes of remaining Title records with 'Of' or 'At', leaving the publications for that someday script.) Just above I see that Vasha works on names. Do we have a process to propose and reach agreement on such choices? <br />
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(Later I will visit the Help desk re the manual, as the HelpHeader suggests, at least to ask them whether I should really use Help talk pages for that.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:12, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I have asked Ahasuerus to take a look at this and to make sure I did not give you incorrect information. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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A few months ago [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Diacritics_in_author_names the possibility was raised] of changing the software to support having Latin-1 diacritics as variants of non-diacritics, but it met with no enthusiasm. Such a change would certainly greatly increase the number of variant titles. Since then, since that seems to be off the table, what I've been doing (unsystematically, whenever I have a spare moment) with some names whose canonical form lacks diacritics is to check as many of the publications as I can, make notes on each publication record as to how the name is printed there, and then request a moderator to add the diacritics to the canonical name. <br />
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I think it ought to be standard practice to have the canonical form always be WITH diacritics, but I haven't actually proposed that on the boards yet. [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for finding the last discussion of this issue! I was going to go look for it myself, but you beat me to it :-) I seem to be unable to find the follow-up discussion in the Community Portal archives for some reason, but, as you alluded to, there were objections, so the proposal was shelved. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Voyage from Yesteryear ==<br />
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I added an entry for the maps in {{P|127421|Voyage from Yesteryear}}. They are initialed, but I can't make out the scrawl. The one for the Mayflower II seems to be SRH. The map of Chiron may have the same, but they could also be SGDN. I've added them in as uncredited, but perhaps you have a better idea of what they are.--[[User:Auric|Auric]] 18:54, 13 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:The one on Mayflower II looks like "J P. H" to me. Under my big magnifying glass, the initials on the map of Chiron look the same as on the Mayflower II. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:01, 15 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Ghost Brigade ==<br />
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I had entered a duplicate pub to your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270164 this pub]. My [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?544391 entry] includes the acknowledgements as an essay on page 345, and notes on the Canadian price and the author credit. If you and Wjmvanruth are good with these changes, I'll update this pub and delete my entry. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:14, 13 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:It's ok with me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Done. Thanks. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 18:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Held submission ==<br />
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Please approve [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3447789 this submission] so I can correct the date. I accidentally entered the wrong one. Thanks. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 01:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Sorry, I was off researching it to leave you a note. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:58, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. I've submitted the correction. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 02:00, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment ==<br />
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Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.<br />
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Firstly, there's ''Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural'' (verified copies: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517709 (1)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289442 (2)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?415777 (3)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435921 (4)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366609 (5)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?446362 (6)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?577863 (7)]), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:<br />
* "Taboo" by Geoffrey Household - An eastern European community is terrorized by a series of murders. The mystery is solved, but the terror, and other psychological effects, linger on. Non-supernatural - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359537 The Dark of the Soul]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516539 Van Lichtelijk Luguber tot Meedogenloos Macaber]<br />
* "A Rose for Emily" by William Faulkner - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rose_for_Emily#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333722 Classic Tales of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37873 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205381 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191317 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293237 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413748 The Lucifer Society]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196813 The Medusa in the Shield]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359245 The Giant Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?591258 The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43731 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2399 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?403273 Vóór Middernacht: De Beste Griezelverhalen]<br />
* "A Terribly Strange Bed" by Wilkie Collins - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Terribly_Strange_Bed SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369520 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368071 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326642 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326754 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?306036 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517776 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386608 Adventure Stories for Girls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369352 Horror by Lamplight]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346979 The Wordsworth Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189037 Mad Monkton and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413840 Masterpieces of Mystery in Four Volumes]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18059 In the Grip of Terror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514839 Van Edgar Allan Poe tot Roald Dahl]<br />
* "The Three Strangers" by Thomas Hardy - [http://klasikfanda.blogspot.com/2012/07/short-story-three-strangers-by-thomas.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424385 Tellers of Tales]<br />
* "Leiningen Versus the Ants" by Carl Stephenson - A lurid and much exaggerated account of army ants, but not intended to be taken as speculative, I feel sure - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]<br />
* "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell -[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558649 Early September]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?416364 Psychos]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302214 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291549 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?512071 Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbinders in Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394763 Stories and Storytellers]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375279 Verhalen die Hitchcock Koos]<br />
* "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_to_the_Slaughter#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176041 Someone Like You (Dell)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322881 Lamb to the Slaughter and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?480807 Tales of the Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?471509 Someone Like You (Livre de Poche)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537122 Rakkaani, kyyhkyläiseni / Joku kaltaisesi]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533499 Lammkeule und andere Geschichten]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371205 M'n Liefje, M'n Duifje]<br />
* "Contents of the Dead Man's Pockets" by Jack Finney - [http://www.elacommoncorelessonplans.com/contents-of-the-dead-mans-pocket-lesson-plans-summary-analysis.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180273 The Third Level]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258702 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258701 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439201 The Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301712 The First Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]<br />
* "Two Bottles of Relish" by Lord Dunsany - One of Dunsany's few non-speculative crime stories. [https://cgrishikesh.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/lord-dunsany-two-bottles-of-relish/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?64784 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588045 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17298 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17297 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444547 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257830 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 The Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9463 Death]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344994 Masterpieces of Horror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251144 Owls' Watch]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34443 Tall Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "A Note for the Milkman" by Sidney Carroll - [https://tentoinfinity.com/2013/06/05/a-note-for-the-milkman-by-sidney-carroll/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51648 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193021 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193049 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251425 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180161 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251424 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251426 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263437 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444141 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "The Cone" by H. G. Wells - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cone SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304364 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?574053 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439345 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495929 A Harvest of Horrors]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288845 The Time Machine: An Invention and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360304 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426598 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426599 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331258 Selected Short Stories of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?524428 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285926 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352106 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338206 Complete Short Story Omnibus]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37475 The Cone]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575308 Works of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420004 The Country of the Blind and Other Selected Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404370 Der gestohlene Bazillus und andere Geschichten]<br />
* "The Lodger" by Marie Belloc Lowndes - [https://margotkinberg.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/in-the-spotlight-marie-bellocc-lowndes-the-lodger/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18836 Jack the Knife]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27604 Red Jack]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]<br />
* "The Terrapin" by Patricia Highsmith - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrapin SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301711 The Twelfth Pan Book of Horror Stories]<br />
Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Nongenre_stories:_attempt_at_a_roundup Community Portal]. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:00, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry for the delay. I will comment there. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price to your verified ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15134].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 20:46, 11 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Seventh Son ==<br />
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Please check the back cover of {{p|309648|Seventh Son}} to see if there's a cover art credit for James C. Christensen. I have a 13th printing that credits Christensen on the back cover and Nolan on the copyright page. My copy has the Noland artwork. Your copy has a die-cut cover with the Noland artwork partially visible in the cutout. You open the cover to view the entire Nolan painting. If your copy credits Christensen on the back cover then he likely did the artwork that's on the outer cover. I suspect a fix would be to add a second cover title record sort of like a dos-a-dos. --[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 06:44, 30 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry to have taken so long. Finally managed to dig it up.... There are no credits of any kind on the back cover, just a blurb sandwiched between two quotes (''Washington Post Book World'' and ''Chicago Sun Times'') and "A Tom Doherty Associates, Inc. Book". The credits are:<br />
:*Cover art by Dennis Noland<br />
:*Cover design by Carol Russo<br />
:*Maps by Alan McKnight<br />
:and that's the extent of it. I have a very similar vintage -- and style -- book, {{P|27636|Red Prophet}}. On that there is also no additional credit, but the Nolan credit specifically says "'''Inside''' cover art..." (also, what looks like NOLAN is visible in the bottom right corner of the painting). If you want to add a second cover credited to Christensen based on your 13th printing, it's ok with me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:23, 9 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Prophet of Lamath ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon cover art for {{P|265759|The Prophet of Lamath}} with a scan of my copy, also added the Copyright statement. I've indicated that the LCCN is not valid. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 08:12, 6 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wizard in Waiting ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon Cover art for {{P|245277|The Wizard in Waiting}} with a scan of my copy, also added the Copyright statement. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 08:22, 6 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Power and the Prophet ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon Cover art for {{P|45485|The Power and the Prophet}} with a scan of my copy, also added the Copyright statement. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 08:31, 6 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Full Moon Tonight ==<br />
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Hi Marty. You approved my submittal of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629206 Moonbroth #11] and you made the title "Full Moon Tonight" by Amos Salmonson into a variant of "Amos"'s parent author Jessica Amanda Salmonson - all well and good. However that title appears a second time [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1880295 here] with a note saying that this is a "radically altered version" which first appeared in Moonbroth 11. My question is if it is "radically altered" should the title remain in the db twice as it exists now, with perhaps a note added to the one that appears in Moonbroth. Or should the Hag's Tapestry version be varianted to the Moonbroth version? Or something else? Thanks for any help. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 00:17, 9 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:If the texts are not "the same", then we consider them different works. I use "the same" in quotes because in practice we ignore situations where there are small differences. Without reading both pieces, I take the "radically altered" at face value and assume these are substantially different enough that they should not be merged. Also, with the exception of translations, we do not use variants to indicate derivation relationships. So no variant here. Adding a complementary note to the Moonbroth version about the Hag's Tapestry version is a good idea. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:32, 9 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for the clarification - very helpful. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 11:55, 9 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== four past midnight ==<br />
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fairly trivial; page # for introductory note for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14505 is xi,not xii; will fix if no objection. thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 21:55, 14 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:No objection! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:27, 15 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Castle Roogna ==<br />
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{{P|202541|Castle Roogna}}: I've updated the Printing History - the copyright statement does say <I>First Edition</I> not <I>First Printing</I>. The LCCN is as listed on the copyright statement but the web site says it is invalid. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 14:09, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Can you help with canonical name change ==<br />
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Hi, I'm about to change the canonical name of Jaspre Bark to Jasper Bark, as I posted on the moderator notice board yesterday. Would you be able to stand by and approve the first steps in the process so I can go on to the next steps? I will first unvariant all variants, then I will go through the remaining titles on Jaspre Bark's page and either make a new variant for it or change the name on it and merge it. (Please don't delete anything before I've dealt with it.) Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 10:24, 26 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. Go nuts. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:25, 26 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:: All done; thank you very much! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 10:51, 26 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Mathemagics ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon Cover Art of {{P|21696|Mathemagics}} with a scan of my copy. I’ve added the LCCN although the LoC record states that is a hardcopy edition. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 07:56, 5 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Master of Many Treasures ==<br />
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Updated the Printing History and added the source of the cover artist to {{P|21626|Master of Many Treasures}}. Added the LCCN. Replaced the Amazon Cover art with a scan of my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 12:51, 11 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Drgonne's Eg ==<br />
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Updated the Printing History and added the source of the cover artist to {{P|11221| Dragonne’s Eg}}. Added the LCCN. Replaced the Amazon Cover art with a scan of my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 12:57, 11 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Braintree Mission ==<br />
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Hi, In your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282184 The Braintree Mission] you credit the cover art to a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?170629 Jack O'Hara Cosgrave, II]. https://archive.org/details/braintreemission00nich has it as by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?121904 John O'Hara Cosgrave, II]. Could you pleease check?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:04, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:John, not Jack, it is. Corrected. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:04, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282870 Star Wars] ==<br />
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I was looking at verifying [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282870 this pub] and saw that you had already added it. However, it appears that it should have From the the Adventure of Luke Skywalker as a subtitle and be moved in with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25799 these pubs].<br />
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== Pohl's "Essay" or "Story" ==<br />
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If you want, I'll scan the item and send you a copy, just tell me where. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 10:13, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the offer. It's fine. Aside from double-checking that the ESSAY typing was intentional vs. an oversight, I wasn't trying to debate the absolute correctness of how it is typed. I was only trying to figure out if the translation (which I don't have access to) is of the entire piece or a subset. I tried, but I can't tell, so I've defaulted to assuming it is (or it matches other non-Galaxy appearances). The only consequence of my punt is that I changed the variant's type to ESSAY so that it matches the parent. Not much harm there if in the future we decide the type should be different or that there's two forms of it -- one the full "essay" and another just the story with no commentary -- that should have different types assigned. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:19, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== SQL bug in Advanced Search ==<br />
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It turns out that we have a somewhat obscure bug in the Advanced Search logic: {{Bug|690}}. I have experimented with [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/biblio/adv_search_results.py the code], but I can't find a way to fix the bug without redoing the query generator. Since you are much better at SQL, I wonder if you may find some time to take a look and see if a straightforward solution may be possible. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:31, 3 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Sure thing. Sorry about availability lately. My home computer is flaking out. Intermittently goes through bouts of freezing up for minutes at a time. I haven't been able to figure it out, and it makes doing anything involving multiple actions challenging.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:03, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: No worries, take your time! One thing that I have come across is that very low humidity can cause ESD (electrostatic discharge) issues with CPUs. And, of course, low humidity is something that goes hand in hand with cold winters and using heaters. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 08:07, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::Sorry, sorta bad news. You will need to rewrite at least a portion of it. The problem with "not exactly" and "does not contain" in the multi-table context is that with inner joins, those actually mean "has an XXX and XXX.yyy is not exactly/does not contain ZZZ". But the simple presentation leads one to expect the more intuitive: "does not have an XXX, or, if having XXX, XXX.yyy is not exactly/does not contain ZZZ". Notice you don't have the same problem with the complementary "is exactly" or "contains" because for those to work as expected, "has XXX" is quite obviously implicit and required.<br />
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:::So for those two operators, you would need outer join syntax instead, and then your query's test condition would need to treat null as equivalent to not matching/not containing. For example, ''... and (pub_series.pub_series_name is null or pub_series.pub_series_name not like '%ZZZ%')...'' or a MySQL-specific ''... and ifnull(pub_series.pub_series_name,<nowiki>''</nowiki>) not like '%ZZZ%'...''.<br />
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:::It's early in the morning, and I haven't yet had any coffee, but I think you might be able to rewrite the generation to do outer joins in all cases (rather than inner for some operators and outer for other operators) and always use the ifnull trick. If you didn't use ifnull, you'd need to vary the null checking -- ''is not null and...'' for the positive cases and ''is null or...'' for the negative cases. But with ifnull, you could always do ''ifnull(xxx,<nowiki>''</nowiki>) <comparison>...''. I don't know if an empty string in ifnull would work. If not, you could pick some arbitrary string that won't match, like ISFDBWILLNOTMATCH. The danger with going all outer joins all the time is you might get some bad performance and/or high peak memory usage. The optimizer is not going to be able to reduce the main table candidate row set via the smaller tables.<br />
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:::One final warning: In SQLServer, I ran into some issues mixing ANSI outer join syntax with inline inner joins (vs. using explicit ANSI inner join syntax). I have no reason to believe that MySQL would have that problem, but I figured I'd mention it.<br />
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:::I hope that helps. If you're not familiar with outer joins, let me know and I can give you some full examples. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:20, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thanks muchly! I remember reading about outer joins back when I was learning SQL, but I don't think I've ever had to use them. My earlier investigation had determined that the underlying problem was that inner joins assumed "has an XXX and XXX.yyy is not exactly/does not contain ZZZ", but I didn't realize that outer joins were the answer. I'll poke around to see what I can do... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::I sent you some examples in email. Let me know if you didn't get them. Happy to help with reformulation if you decide to go there. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:57, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== At the Earth's Core ==<br />
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I've added a line to the note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3271 this] pub regarding the publisher's address and the ad(s) at the end. My copy is for 1120 Avenue of the Americas and has one ERB ad with 18 titles, but rumor has it there's a version for 23 West 47th Street with only 3 ERB titles, plus other ads. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:10, 8 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, I will double-check my copy when I get a chance. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:37, 10 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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::My copy is the latter. It does not match the current notes. I will clone and make another edition. Mine has the 23 West 47th Street. The ad page has ERB F-157 - F-159, plus Otis Adelbert Kline D-516 and D-531, Leigh Brackett F-123, and Marion Zimmer Bradley F-117 and F-153 . F-titles 40&cent;, D-titles 35&cent;, repeating the 23 W. 47th St. address for purchases. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:00, 14 January 2018 (EST)<br />
::p.s. If your copy has F-204 in the ad, we have {{P|34551|that}} Ace edition as 1963-05-00 from the same source used for the 1962-09-00 date for ''At the Earth's Core''. We have F-159 as 1962-10-00, but I suppose it would be reasonable for a September F-157 to have a future date for something coming out the next month. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:22, 14 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::Mine does include the F-204. I presume the address change gives an approximate date and order for the two versions, much like the ads, but I have nothing to work with besides a number of Burroughs editions. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:27, 14 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Chessmen of Mars ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon image with scan and moved OCLC to External IDs in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283454 this] publication. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:16, 16 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Synthetic Men of Mars ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon image with scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283481 this] pub. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:44, 16 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Academ's Fury ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon image with scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296603 this] pub.[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:34, 22 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== LitRPG Freaks ==<br />
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Thanks for getting me to look this up. ''LitRPG Freaks'' seems to be a real thing, or once was anyway. A google search leads me to [http://litrpgfreaks.com/ this site] but it hasn’t been updated since May of 2017. Witness [http://litrpgfreaks.com/our-books/ this]. I still don’t know if this is an online fan site, a publishing group, an online meeting place, or whatever. However, based on the content of this site, I think I ''will'' list them as a publisher. When somebody has some hard cold facts, like being a member of this collective/group/fan sit and they contact ISFDB then they correct or add to the known data. Let me know what you think. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 13:57, 13 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I think that sounds fine. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:42, 14 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Let me know when you are around ==<br />
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Thanks again for volunteering! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:55, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I will check back in at 7:30 pm Eastern and then at 10 pm Eastern. Let's see if any of those work. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:52, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Sorry, to have been unreliable. I likely won't make 7:30, but I will 10 pm. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:25, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: No worries at all. You around now by any chance? 18:36, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: All yours. Feel free to deal with them in anyway you see fit. Thanks again and have a good weekend. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:02, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::: Thanks again for dealing with all of these! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:51, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Karlo Yeager Rodríguez ==<br />
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Good morning -- could you correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?241475 Karlo Yeager Rodriguez] to Karlo Yeager Rodríguez with an accent? He has one verified publication & the verifier confirms that the diacritic is there. Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 07:28, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:All set. Did you see the alternate, hyphenated name? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:39, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes-- the one publication where it appears didn't print the diacritic, so I guess we should leave it that way unless "Yeager-Rodríguez" turns up someplace. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 08:00, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Held submission ==<br />
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I'm not sure what that's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3812048 this submission] about. <br />
I made a change, but not there and all the changes I recall have been accomplished. <br />
I always leave a note--was there a note? [[User:Lucidobias|Luci]] 15:33, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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At a second glance it appears the same record of that number was previously approved the previous day; so somehow that record was duplicated almost 24 hours later. [[User:Lucidobias|Luci]] 16:32, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Tonight's author correcion ==<br />
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Could you correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?272891 Francisco J. Perez] to Francisco J. Pérez? Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 20:33, 24 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Lots of computer problems since the last batch of M$ updates, but done. It set his language to English. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:39, 24 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== A Fighting Man of Mars - Edgar Rice Burroughs ==<br />
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I recently added a variation [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676060 here] of the publication you had verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560 here]. The two versions differ in the ads in the final pages, which I documented in the notes. I had arbitrarily chosen which ads were associated with each publication, so you may need to move your verification to the other copy, depending on what you have in your copy. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:16, 28 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, thanks. I moderated that submission and checked my copy, which matched your notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:24, 29 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Trek 4 (German Terra Astra 122) and Star Trek 7 (Bantam Books, 1979) ==<br />
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Hi, I've placed a link in the notes at the German Terra Astra publication with a link to [https://www.sfandfantasy.co.uk/php/details2.php?id=1085 this page], where it says "This cover illustration was used for:<br />
Terra Astra #222 (Pabel, 1975) and Star Trek 7 (Bantam Books, 1979)".--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 04:47, 31 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== BB Codes discussion ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#BB_Codes_-_First_pass this discussion]? It's the latest iteration of the security-related issues which we discussed in the past. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== E-mail problems ==<br />
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I am trying to figure out if any of my attempts to e-mail you earlier today made it through since I have received a bunch of delivery failure notifications. Could you please respond here to let me know if the e-mail made it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:43, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi. No, nothing from you since 8/12 3:35pm with the numbered list, to which I replied about #3 with regard to zapping tags not whitelisted. Nothing in spam filter. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:49, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks, I'll try again. Both your main address and the Sourceforge one returned multiple errors: like "multiple delivery attempts failed" and "SMTP error from remote server for TEXT command, host: mx.sourceforge.net ([IP address]) reason: 550 This message scored 23.3 points." I may need to edit my email and remove the iffy bits in case it's a problem with the payload. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:06, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: SourceForge has returned yet another delivery failure message. I then used the ISFDB e-mail server and received a copy of my e-mail from SourceForge. I guess it means that SourceForge is OK, but the final destination is having issues. As I recall, they had problems last week, but I thought they were fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:09, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Updating SERIAL Help ==<br />
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I am leaving this message on the Talk pages of active editors who (AFAIK) are currently active in the magazine/fanzine area. Based on recent feedback from a new editor, I have attempted to streamline our Help templates which govern the use of the SERIAL title type. I have posted a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#SERIAL_in_Help_templates proposal] which shuffles the relevant snippets between 3 different Help templates and clarifies a few things. When you get a chance, could you please review the proposed language to make sure that it's accurate and comprehensive? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:24, 24 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== About the Illustrator (A Wizard of Earthsea) ==<br />
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Hi. We have 5 or 6 title records for About the Illustrator (A Wizard of Earthsea), some of which are in the queue as I depart [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=About+the+Illustrator&type=All+Titles]. Some of the later ones may be about illustrators other than Ruth Robbins, for all I know.<br />
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That listed in the January 1982 Bantam 16th printing, verified by you and Marc Kupper, is distinctive in crediting illustrator Ruth Robbins as the author of the essay T{{t|360461}}. I see that it may be useful to have that work listed on the Robbins summary bibliography page, but I doubt that she is credited for it. Do you know of any discussion, or proposal, to make ESSAY and NONFICTION about a person easier to find, whether by work-around or database augmentation?<br />
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Anyway, if your copy of the book is handy, does the essay provide no useful information about {{a|Ruth Robbins}}? (This weekend I provided what little we have.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:36, 10 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:The essay is uncredited. The credit is on the title page, "Illustrated by Ruth Robbins", and on the copyright page, "Copyright (c) 1968 …, by Ruth Robbins for drawings."<br />
:The entirety of the essay is:<br />
::''Ruth Robbins illustrated'' A Penny and a Perriwinkle'','' Fisherman's Luck'','' Wild Animals of the Far West'','' Stories California Indians Told'' and'' Ishi, Last of His Tribe'' (an ALA Notable Book). She is the author of'' Baboushka and the Three Kings'' (Caldecott Award), ''The Emperor and the Drummer Boy'' (an ALA Notable Book) and ''Harlequin and Mother Goose''. She lives in Berkeley, California, with her husband and son.''<br />
:FWIW, the "About the Author" isn't credited, either. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:20, 11 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the transcript. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:02, 12 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Jupiter ==<br />
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Added notes and a cover scan to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19207 Jupiter].<br />
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== Magazine dates redux ==<br />
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A quick FYI: the issue of magazine dates has [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Magazine_issue_dates|resurfaced]]. I have copy-pasted your August proposal. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:04, 1 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Onthuld duplicate epub submitted? ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4030641 submitted] a kindle edition of {{p|2461317|Onthuld}}. This is (highly likely) a duplicate of the already-existing entry with {{p|691436|ISBN 978-90-00-34317-1}}; this is evidenced by the fact that the publication dates are the same and, when searching with this ISBN on Amazon.nl, the kindle edition is retrieved. The fact that the publisher is different is not sufficient to warrant a separate entry since De Boekerij and Van Goor are part of the same publishers' group, and the entered publisher is likely in error (we won't know for sure unless we can check an electronic copy of the ebook; however, ISBN series 978-90-00 is typically used by Van Goor).<br><br />
I therefore suggest to merge both pub records, and make notes. Are you OK with that? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 04:48, 9 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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PS: A nice graph can be found [https://www.lannoo.be/nl/over-ons here] where you can see that Van Goor and De Boekerij both belong to LannooMeulenhoff bv<br />
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:Sorry, I was out of town for a few days. Yes, merging them seems appropriate. I somehow missed the existing entry. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:01, 11 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::np. I'll take care of the merger. Thanks for the confirmation. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:48, 11 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Weird LCCN ==<br />
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Hello Marty, <br />
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I am trying to clear the remaining non-linked and not-migrated LCCNs in the system and got to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282401 this one]. The number 200304618 does not seem to lead anywhere however the hardcover from the previous year (same publisher), has [https://lccn.loc.gov/2003042618 2003042618]. Is there a typo in the book? Or did a "2" in the middle get missed during the entry creation? <br />
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If it is a book typo, I would like to document that and template the actual number. Or just template the actual number if it is a typo in our DB. I will also direct the other PV here so we have the conversation in one place. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:43, 26 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I couldn't immediately find the book on my shelves. I will dig through the boxes tonight. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:14, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::Hi Annie. I found the book, and it is as documented. The bottom 1/4th of the copyright page:<br />
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ISBN 0-765-34390-8<br />
EAN 978-0765-34390-1<br />
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 200304618<br />
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First Edition: May 2003<br />
First mass market edition: May 2004<br />
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Printed in the United States of America<br />
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0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1<br />
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::Feel free to do what you want with it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:24, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for tracking it down. I edited to add what I found (if we know it, why not document it). Feel free to edit further if you want :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:40, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Imaro ==<br />
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Thank you, I would like to include an essay that Charles R. Saunder wrote for Dragon magazine, but I do not know how to put an issue, he also did one for The Savage Sword of Conan, but that one is not registered. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] 09:16, 30 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
:The issue where he published is # 122 (1987), which is not registered. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] 10:11, 30 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Steel Brother ==<br />
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You primary-verified this item: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?240605 . I added publication information on the story "Out of the Darkness," taken from that edition's acknowledgments. [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] 7:14, 2 June 2019 (CDT)<br />
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== Whispers II ==<br />
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You primary-verified this item: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282910 . I added a OCLC link. [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] 8:29, 10 July 2019 (CDT)<br />
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== Ee Leen Lee update ==<br />
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I was trying to set the primary language to English, but it seems like that's already the case. I'll cancel the edit.<br />
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== Of Time and Space and Other Things == <br />
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You primary-verified this edition: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205749 I added OCLC number to External ID, shifted the LCCN number from pub note to External ID, and lightly edited the pub note for consistent capitalization. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 18:49, 3 October 2019 (CST)<br />
: I have submitted a removal of the LCCN number from the pub note, since the number was for Doubleday's first edition, not this one. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 12:28, 9 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::The only problem I have with these changes is that now the documentation that the book lists an LCCN on its copyright page has been lost. I would rather than had been converted to a note saying what LCCN is listed and pointing out it's for a different edition. I will probably dig up my copy of the book and put that information back into the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:10, 10 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not sure why the removal was approved - when Mike shifted it to the External ID earlier this month, I moved it back to the notes and left it there as it was (and explained why). I tend to do notes instead of deleting - especially because these are on the copyright pages a lot. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 10:25, 10 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I did not investigate. It's ok, I can easily reconstruct it. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:43, 10 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== 二十二分間の予言 ==<br />
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Hi MartyD, <br />
The editor is not the most responsive but he adds works we do miss so... I tend to do some more legwork than usual - usually adding ASINs while I am at that when he adds kindle works. [https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00TNG7VBS This is the book] he is trying to add. Amazon has it as 86 pages which in any other language would be a novella; not entirely sure for Japanese but I rarely see him mixing up the containers lately. You may want to ping Nihonjoe for an opinion but at 86, I am pretty sure it will be too short for a novel. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:14, 5 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Ok, thanks. I am away this week and did not have time to do the research. I will fix it up when I get a chance. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:36, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Story Behind the Foundation - Asimov essay ==<br />
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Hi, could you please confirm whether the essay in your PV {{P|286824|here}} is actually the 1982-12-00 date? I'm asking because I have the same title but dated 1986 in a different Grafton edition and I'm trying to sort out loose ends. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 23:22, 8 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:For technical reasons, could you not change any records at the moment, if you think they might need it: Annie's sorting out some background stuff first. Hope this is ok with you. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 00:46, 9 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: After restoring back to where we were before I merged, this one indeed remained with the 1982 ones (where it was before) so the question still stands - if these essays are indeed different, is this one really the early one and not the revised? (newly written?) 1986 version? :) Thanks for the patience, gentlemen. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:24, 9 December 2019 (EST)<br />
(unindent) MartyD, could you please compare your essay with this 1986 one [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:The_Story_Behind_the_Foundation_1986.jpg] and let me know when yours is dated for. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 19:57, 9 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, I've been a bit busy. The one in my book matches the picture and is dated 1986 (as that one is). Someone probably merged it with something dated 1982. I will put a note in the pub about the essay credit but will otherwise leave everything else alone -- I assume one of you will fix the date. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:46, 10 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks Marty! I will go chase a few more PVs - I think that all the Foundation and Earth books have the newer essay - but we have enough verifier to check. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:36, 10 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Proven Guilty - Jim Butcher ==<br />
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I see you're a PV for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?96631]. Does your copy match the cover illustration exactly? Mine (1st printing, full numline) has different wording, and a 'As seen on SciFi' circle. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:49, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Seeing it's an Amazon-provided cover pic, chances are it's not the actual cover that's shown. I'll let Marty confirm for this case, but it's good practice (imo) to always replace any external cover link with a scan of the actual book at hand. I myself have had several occasions where cover of a book I own differs (considerably) from what Amazon shows. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:32, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry for the delay. I will check on it later today. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:37, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::No, it no longer matches. Mine has the "As seen on SciFi" circle, and the ROC logo is in the bottom left, not the bottom right. I will do a scan for it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:31, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Orc's opal ==<br />
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MartyD. I took your suggestion and tried to add a note regarding the erroneous LCCN on my copy. Was my post unacceptable. I did not include the correct LCCN 90-39230. Should I have? The submission number is 4720764. I don't know which moderator is handling. Thanks for your help. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:53, 12 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, my availability is a little sporadic. I see Annie handled the submission since you posted this. Submissions sometimes sit because no moderator has gotten to them yet. A wait does not necessarily imply that anything is wrong. If a moderator handles a submission and finds a problem with it, they will contact you, rest assured. If something is not the way it should be, the moderator's responsibilities include coaching the submitter to avoid the same problem in the future -- community training! :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:58, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Lord Halifax's Complete Ghost Book ==<br />
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As verifier of {{P|286432|Lord Halifax's Complete Ghost Book}}, please see [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Lord_Halifax.27s_Ghost_Stories|this discussion]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 17 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Industrial Magic ==<br />
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since the covers were "same" I replaced the amazon.com image that was changed -- can you confirm {{P|291045|Industrial Magic}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 15:13, 2 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:Hi Susan. You say "Industrial Magic", but the link is to "Dime Store Magic", and it looks like you did that in 2013. I did not see any of my primary verifications that you changed recently, so I'm not sure what's up. I looked for "Magic" in the pending Moderator queue and don't see anything there, either. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:38, 4 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Marty, I think [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4821054 this] was the change. As it is an ISFDB cover, specifically added to this publication, being replaced with an Amazon one and the moderator note made no sense considering where the cover was, I was very reluctant to approve without a positive note by the PVs. And I did not see this thread because the names did not match... You can unreject if it is a valid change (and the ISFDB cover will need to be deleted). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:52, 4 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:::Ah, got it. Looks like the original cover image addition was a mistake -- it's the wrong cover. The Amazon link in the rejected change is better (correct photo/art) but is still not the right cover (no Bantam logo + price line). I will scan and add the right one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:50, 6 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Wells Omnibus ==<br />
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I've got a question about your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269163 verified publication]. We have the title as "The War of the Worlds and The Time Machine" which certainly matches the cover and also the Worldcat record. However, Reginald1 has the title as "The Time Machine; and, The War of the Worlds" for the 1961 Dolphin edition. He specifically indicates that it is a variant title of the 1956 Globe edition. Could you double check and see if the title page differs from the cover, and our record? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:20, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Hi Ron. Sorry about the delay -- I had this shelved in an unexpected spot.... The immediate 1st interior endpaper-ish page and the title page both have the same<br />
::THE WAR OF THE WORLDS<br />
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::THE TIME MACHINE<br />
:The only difference between those and the cover is the formatting (titles in all-caps, "and" italicized). The back cover and spine omit the "and", simply stacking the two all-caps titles. Definitely Dolphin, 1961. 95c on the cover. Maybe he mixed up which edition has which text? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Storm Front ==<br />
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There appear to be two publication records for the same publication. Both are the 18th printing with one record using the ISBN10 and the other the ISBN13 of the same ISBN. I suspect you and the other editor should work out how to combine them or to add notes that explain why there are two records and how to distinguish the publications.<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?183681 Storm Front] PV by [[User talk:MartyD|MartyD]] on 2009-03-0 and using ISBN 978-0-451-45781-3<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?701326 Storm Front] PV by [[User talk:Taweiss|Taweiss]] on 2019-01-16 and using ISBN 0-451-45781-1<br />
--[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 15:33, 21 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Hmm. Thanks. Looks like that second one is even a clone of the first -- it has exactly my same note about the source of the cover credit. I wonder why it was let through. I'll try to figure out what's going on. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:31, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Nick St(r)aguzzi ==<br />
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Hi, Marty, a good new year to you! The co-author of the story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556749 this magazine] likely is Nick Straguzzi, but if there's a typo in the magazine or one in our database, that's the question. Are you able to take a look? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:56, 3 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes, definitely a typo. Fixed. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 4 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Now & Beyond ==<br />
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Hi<br />
I noticed that we have the editor of ''{{P|268841|Now & Beyond}}'' listed as "Ivan Howard" and I believe that his is the actual editor. However, {{Reginald1}} and Worldcat do not list an editor. Contento1 does list Howard as the editor but notes that the book was published as by "Anonymous" (equivalent to our "uncredited"). Could you double check the title page and if no editor is credited, I think we should changed the record to uncredited and make a variant of the resulting title to Howard. I'm leaving the same note on [[User talk:Stoecker|Stoecker]]'s and [[User talk:Willem H.|Willem H.]]'s pages as they are the other verifiers who have been active in the last 3 months. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:55, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, it was a bit of an archeological excavation to find the book. 12 years ago is a long time! There is absolutely no editor credit anywhere in/on the book, nor is there any sort of preface/introduction or afterword -- it's just the bare 8 stories. I wouldn't have created the credit. Unfortunately, I don't know if the record was there with the credit and I blindly "verified" it, or if someone added it from a secondary source. I'm ok with changing it to uncredited if we don't have any such source. It is copyright 1952, 1955, 1956, 1958 by Columbia Productions, Inc. I suspect that's for four of the stories, but it's not explicit in that regard. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:16, 12 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Mule ==<br />
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Isaac Asimov. I think this is actually a novel, not a novella. I estimate it at 50000 words. [[User:Ommadawndk|Ommadawndk]] 15:59, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I dug up my Doubleday omnibus and see it's about 143 full pages (roughly 138 full pages and 10 half pages). The density is about 350 words per page, so your estimate of 50000 looks right to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:47, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic Kingdom of Landover ==<br />
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As a PV of at least one volume please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== on or On? ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?title; typing "moving on" as an exact title shows maybe a dozen titles, and only the one I made an edit for has "on" in lowercase, so should all the others be lowercase, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:29, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: There is a reference in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Capitalization_in_English_and_special_cases this] discussion. I don't know that anything has changed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:46, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry for the delay, I was visiting my mother yesterday.... Under the current rules, "on" should only be capitalized if it is the first word in the title (or subtitle), regardless of its part of speech. So, yes, the instances where it is capitalized as "Moving On" are the non-conformers. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 10 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Terminal ==<br />
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Hi Marty, I started to verify [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282447 Terminal] and I saw the this note ' "03549" on rear cover '. What does that mean? Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:54, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I have looked high and low and haven't been able to find the book. It's here somewhere, but where exactly is a mystery.... My guess is there was a small white box in a lower corner with that number in it. I was probably somewhat worried that it might be a book club edition. If that were the case, the presence/absence of that number could be a clue for how to distinguish the retail edition from the book club edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:00, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for checking, Marty. My guess was that the book club editon was accidently verified. Should I remove that note, or clone the pub and create a true first edition? If I clone, we should remove the date, price, and printing note from the verified record. Let me know which you prefer [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:17, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::I pointed Gzuckier to this to see if he can contribute any information about his copy. I wish I could find mine. In the absence of that, my inclination is for you to clone it and make a record for your copy, noting the absence of any number on the back, and then add a note to this record that it's a likely book club edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:19, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::I submitted the edit to your pub as suggested. I left the other fields unchanged. If you do find it, and it is indeed a book club edition, the other fields should be changed. I'm curious to see if Gzuckier responds, his verification on 2016-11-09 was transient. I know I wouldn't remember that far back. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:09, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::If we keep this as an SFBC, shouldn't the publisher be changed into 'G. P. Putnam's Sons / SFBC' as well? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:20, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::We would use BCE unless we knew it to be SFBC specifically. I sort of doubt this would have been an SFBC, but we might be able to check catalogues/lists for that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:28, 29 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Hi. I'm afraid my copy's gone free range around the house somewhere, but if it turns up I'll let you guys know. Thanks for the info[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 01:10, 2 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Hi me again. I found my copy, and it doesn't have the number box on the back cover.[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 11:53, 3 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Bite of Monsters / O'Neal ==<br />
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My copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281875] has a copyright in Roman numerals. Does yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:22, 1 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, I have not been able to find it. The book storage area has been subject to some rearrangement, so I suspect it got mis-shelved. I will keep looking. But my copy apparently had no copyright date (from what my comment says), so if yours has a copyright, it is probably a different edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:18, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Ok, I've cloned it and noted the copyright. (My copy has a copyright page with just the single line near the bottom of the page). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:54, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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==Bound to the Dark Prince==<br />
"Bound to the Dark Prince" by Aria Lovely is a new book that I recently added to the data base. Title Record # 2898585 This is her first book in her "The Fae Wars" series. Unfortunately it has been tied to another Fae Wars series, "The Fae Wars: Onslaught" by J. F. Holmes and Lucas Marcum. Title Record # 2851786 "Bound to the Dark Prince" by Aria Lovely is book 1 of her The Fae Wars through Kindle (Goodreads 57399557) "The Fae Wars: Onslaught" by J. F. Holmes and Lucas Marcum is also a Vol One (Goodreads 57399557)(Kindle) Date base shows Cannon Publishing. Amazon shows this as a Kindle & Paperback and is the first of 2 books with the 2nd as "The Fae Wars: The Fall". These are 2 different series by 2 different authors with the same name and should be separated. [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] 17:31, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Ok, I'll take a look and straighten it out. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:28, 15 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Both series call themselves "The Fae Wars". The software links titles to series by name, so in a situation where we have multiple series with the same name, we have to add disambiguation to the those names. Where the titles in a series are all credited to the same author(s), we use their names. I've done that. Now we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62763 The Fae Wars (Lovely)] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?63994 The Fae Wars (Holmes, Marcum)]. If you visit either of those, you'll notice the software also automatically includes a prominent pointer to the other series with a similar name. I hope that makes sense. Please ask if that's not clear or if you have any questions. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:40, 15 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== MediaWiki upgrade ==<br />
<br />
<waves><br />
<br />
We have a new contributor, [https://sourceforge.net/u/erdnagel/ Klaus Elsbernd], who has been looking into upgrading MySQL, MediaWiki and HTTPS. I am currently working with him on the HTTPS migration, but I am a bit out of my depth on the MediaWiki side. When you have a free moment, do you think you could take a look at the proposed authentication upgrade for MedaWiki 1.25+? It's in the Discussion section of {{SR|184}}. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:17, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Well, during my ongoing manual acquisition of my SF collection (using Book Collector) I stumbled on ISFDB and used it a lot for my english SF. So I want to support your effort over all these years. Since I'd like to support OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana too, I created a local copy of ISFDB and upgraded it to the current software: Mariadb 10.3, Phyton 2.7, MediaWiki 1.36.1, Apache 2.4 and converting the database (including MediaWiki) to move to HTTPS (using bash-scripts).<br />
: Mediawiki has changed since version 1.24 the method of storing passwords in its databases, which ISFDB uses. From then on, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBKDF2 PBKDF2] is used. At least, one reference to the password in ISFDB-wiki is the login cgi-script submitlogin.cgi. I changed this script to support the newer MediaWiki, as can be seen in [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/support-requests/184/ sourceforge support-requests 184]. It should be compatible to an old MediaWiki, because the code around the MD5-checksum isn't removed.<br />
<br />
: The move of MD5 to PBKDF2 is referred in the documentation of MediaWiki somewhere. I have to search for it again, if needed. There are notes about changing the password hash in the database during user-login into the wiki automatically (first login).<br />
: MediaWiki 1.36.1 suggests a minimal password length of 10 characters. Can be skipped, but is somewhat annoying.<br />
<br />
: There is another small problem, I described too: The remove of mw_user->user_options, which is referred in some maintenance scripts scripts/create_user.py. This column is removed in MediaWiki 1.19.<br />
: During the upgrade process in MediaWiki, this column is removed smoothly in the database. But the ISFDB script has to remove the reference too.<br />
: With the help of scripts [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/feature-requests/1298/ sourceforge feature-requests 1298] I then changed all references in the MediaWiki-database to use HTTPS. [[User:Elsbernd|elsbernd]] 23:45, 26 August 2021 (EDT) (modified references --[[User:Elsbernd|elsbernd]] 06:42, 28 August 2021 (EDT))<br />
<br />
::Roger. Will look at it. I did an upgrade of a (work) MediaWiki installation from 1.16 to 1.34 and had no problems on the MediaWiki side. A few plug-ins were my only issue, and our use of Semantic MediaWiki made it a little more painful (had to do a few intermediate upgrades). If our code is hashing the password and looking it up in MediaWiki, then we'd necessarily have to change what we're doing if they changed their hash algorithm. That makes sense to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 16:36, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:36, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::: From MediaWiki 1.36.1, file HISTORY: Configuration changes in 1.24:<br />
:::: <nowiki>* The default password type for MediaWiki has been changed from MD5 to PBKDF2.<br />
Password hashes will automatically be updated as users log in. If necessary,<br />
the old MD5 hashing can be restored by changing $wgPasswordDefault to 'B'.<br />
In addition, there is a maintenance script wrapOldPassword.php that can wrap<br />
all passwords in PBKDF2 (or the hashing algorithm of your choice) if you don't<br />
want to wait for your users to log in.</nowiki>--[[User:Elsbernd|elsbernd]] 07:15, 28 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::::Ah, right. One thing we have to consider is that people will log into the main ISFDB instead of into the Wiki, in which case there will be no automatic upgrade benefit. So perhaps forcing it to continue to use the old algorithm would be best. But ideally, it would be good to upgrade to the better algorithm, so maybe just force everyone to log in again after the upgrade. You could post a notice. Shouldn't be too bad. I don't quite understand about how a wrapper would work -- the existing hash can't be used to make a compatible new hash. Seems hack-ish and worth avoiding. May as go one of the two straightforward routes. My vote would be to upgrade to the new hash and force everyone to log in again. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:47, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::::: MD5 is broken a dozen years ago. Staying with the old algorithm should therefore be avoided. Using the wrapper script I'll have to look at it, but I can't imagine how this can be archived. So I would "vote" (I'm not in that position) too to force everyone to change the password. There could be a hint, if submitlogin.cgi detects the MD5-storage. Additionally this would not only use the modern/better storage-algorithm, but although a longer password :-) <br />
:::::: I always login into www.isfdb.org first, and then have to login into the wiki again. Don't know what arguments would do it the other way round.<br />
:::::: Thanks to [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], who has already included the modification in patch-level [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/feature-requests/1298/ 718] [[Development/Recent_Patches]] He works hard on all those changes. {{unsigned|Elsbernd}}<br />
<br />
== Llana of Gathol / John Carter of Mars ==<br />
<br />
Your PV'd pub of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283482 Llana of Gathol] has a date of April 1979 and states it is the 11 printing of the US edition. April 1979 is also the date of the second Canadian printing, distinguished only by "Printed in Canada". A reference work I have to hand states that no eleventh US printing has been discovered. I was wondering if yours could be one. Could you check the print country? (P.S. if it is the US, I'd like to submit images of the cover/copyright page if possible). Many thanks ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:49, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
I see that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283801 John Carter of Mars] presents the same question, albeit as the ninth US vs third Canadian printing. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:40, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:'''Llana of Gathol''' -- I can't speak to the authority of your reference work, but my copy appears to me clearly a U.S. edition. Title page has "Ballantine Books - New York". Copyright page states "Published by Ballantine Books, a division of Random House, Inc., New York, and simultaneously in Canada by Random House of Canada, Limited, Toronto, Canada." Below that, it says: "Manufactured in the United States of America". I can't interpret that as anything but a U.S. printing.<br />
:<br />
: The are four printing dates given:<br />
::First U.S. Printing: August 1963<br />
::Eleventh U.S. Printing: April 1979<br />
::First Canadian Printing: September 1963<br />
::Second Canadian Printing: April 1979<br />
:<br />
:So it seems April 1979 does indeed have both a U.S. and a Canadian printing.<br />
:<br />
:'''John Carter of Mars''' -- This has all of the same details as above, except for the printing dates:<br />
::First U.S. Printing: April 1965<br />
::Ninth U.S. Printing: April 1979<br />
::First Canadian Printing: June 1965<br />
::Third Canadian Printing: April 1979<br />
:<br />
:So here, too, looks like two editions on April 1979 (makes sense -- they probably re-published the entire set), with the book I have the U.S. edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:09, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::p.s. I noticed while uploading cover images that both say "Cover printed in USA" at the bottom right corner on the back. I have uploaded pictures of everything.:<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-FrontCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-BackCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-TitlePage.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-CopyrightPage.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-FrontCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-BackCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-TitlePage.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-CopyrightPage.jpg]]<br />
::Sorry about the flash glare on the cover shots. Let me know if you need anything else. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:55, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: As to the authority, what he claims to have seen, he either has in his possession or has images of (I sent a number of Canadian editions). What he claims doesn't exist - absence of proof is not proof of absence and that's pretty much what he's going on. I've sent the images to him, we'll see what he says. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:28, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: After checking his inventory again, kicking himself and apologizing, he acknowledged that he actually owns the same US editions you have. It's the corresponding Canadian ones he believes exist but has no evidence for. Thanks for helping set things straight. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:32, 13 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Nice. Glad the info was useful. Thanks for the follow-up. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:23, 13 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== La Cuisine Humaine: How to Cook Like a Human Being ==<br />
<br />
Hi Marty, <br />
<br />
I am very confused by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5076045 this update]. Why would a non-fiction book that has no fiction elements be a chapbook when we require fiction (poem, story, serial) for chapbooks? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:28, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I don't remember what was going on at the time. I'm pretty sure I concluded it's not non-fiction, so CHAPBOOK seemed best, despite the ESSAY type. Feel free to change it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:40, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, if it is not non-fiction, a fiction type of a title needs to be added (changing the essay or adding a second one). We cannot have empty chapbooks. :) I will do some digging and see what may be best. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:46, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Changed it back and added a note to the nonfiction container. Looks like a fictional essay... which can be tricky. Maybe that essay needs to become a story actually. :) Will chase a few PVs in a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:01, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Bulfinch's Mythology ==<br />
<br />
In digging around the archives for ISFDB's take on mythology, I ran across [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive41#Bulfinch.27s_Mythology this] discussion on Bulfinch's Mythology. You seemed to have agreed with keeping these as collections, but have not entered your 1978 copy, nor responded to Vasha's request to enter the contents. Do yo have any comments before I submit my reprinted 1960's editions of these books? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:05, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Wow, there's a bit of a blast from the past. I don't know that I formed an opinion; I was only trying to provide information. To be honest, it is not clear to me if this material should be "in" under ISFDB policy. Anyway, I have no objection to your adding the information. Maybe that will motivate me to add mine :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:32, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I've submitted the Collection without contents for now, I figure I can import them easily enough. I did notice - based on the one edition that did include the detailed contents - that there is an extra section in my edition - List of Illustrative Passages. And, based on the preface, think there's an entirely new section in the Age of Chivalry called "The Knights of English History" added by Edward Everett Hale in 1883. I agree the inclusion is debatable, the reason I dug it up was trying to figure out whether to enter any of the Icelandic eddas and sagas. And by the by, 2016 isn't that long ago, I've only been here a year longer than you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:16, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::You want a real (but relevant) blast from the past - see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_03#The_Sword_of_the_Golem_by_Abraham_Rothberg this]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== No The in the Title ==<br />
<br />
https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/dermot-chesson-spence-little-red-shoes-ghost-story-1995-number-1-350; The extra "the" in the title is only in the original. The reprint doesn't have it; see title page at link. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:50, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Yeah, thanks. I figured it out and fixed it up. We needed a variant, which I've put in place. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:55, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: I made an edit with the cover artist's name, and found this, [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ty-3sObnSZkJ:https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw235461/Dermot-Spence-Muriel-Evelyn-Spence-ne-Crailsham&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0], which gives month and day of birth but also says he died in 1963, not 1966. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:23, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::I noticed the bio on the 1937 dust jacket (facsimile [https://www.dustjackets.com/pictures/31028.jpg?v=1316529675 here]) says he's 33, so that at least corroborates the 1904. [https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/GSF8-BNM/dermot-chesson-1904-1966 This site] says 1966 and age 62, and it looks like [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Supernatural_Index/RPrvLFYwm30C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=dermot+spence+chesson&pg=PA517 Contento] also thinks 1966. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:48, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::Oh, check out [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ this site]. [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=234609076:0785&d=bmd_1644238129 This] confirms 1966. They also have a [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=234609076:0785&d=bmd_1644238129&scan=1 scan] of the original record. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:52, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::::And [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=112394314:6716&d=bmd_1644238129 here] gives us Sep 1904 birth date, although it looks like the registry is July - September, so one can't tell the month precisely. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:54, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Lot No. 249 ==<br />
<br />
Regarding {{T|874151}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and artist credit. 1892 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was not knighted until 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:35, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Oops, missed that. The book gave 1892, and I failed to think about it further. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:55, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The High Lord ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41508 The High Lord], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+531 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The High Lord)" on pg 527, and "Glossary (The High Lord)" on pg 529? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:49, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Not at all. Knock yourself out! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:35, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Best of the Bolos: Their Finest Hour cover ==<br />
<br />
Hi, minor question, does the cover for your copy of The Best of the Bolos: Their Finest Hour look like the current Amazon link [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51vMtBHLLoL.jpg]? Mine (same isbn, first printing) has a BAEN logon in the top left corner and a blurb printed over the lower left. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 23:57, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the delay. No, it does not. I'll scan mine. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:01, 20 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Replaced it with [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/71/BLSTHRFNST2010.jpg] --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:17, 20 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 17:58, 24 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Star Trek 10 ==<br />
<br />
Added link to image to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284821 here]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:28, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== MediaWiki (Again) ==<br />
<br />
So I've been working on a modern LAMP stack, and as of this weekend Ahasuerus and I have the result up and running at isfdb2.org. Current versions are:<br />
<br />
* Linux: 4.18.0-240.15.1.el8_3.x86_64 x86_64<br />
* Apache: Apache/2.4.37 (AlmaLinux)<br />
* MySQL: 8.0.26<br />
* Python: 2.7.18<br />
<br />
There is no MediaWiki installed, but we have the full MySQL backup running there, meaning all the current MediaWiki tables are present. So this is a slightly different situation than upgrading MediaWiki on the isfdb live server, given that (simplistically), we just drop down the latest version of MediaWiki, run some magic upgrade script, and then... do something about the add-ons.<br />
<br />
So what are your suggested steps for upgrading in this case? We can afford to experiment at the staging site, since we can simply re-read in the database dump if things go askew. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] 20:48, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:I think all you need to do is put down the latest MediaWiki (or whatever version you want to run) and extensions that are being used, copy the current installation's LocalSettings.php into it, update some of the things in LocalSettings.php to work the new (incompatible) way, and then run update.php to convert the database. I know some of skin-type stuff has changed, and they changed the way you load extensions. There may also be some new variables, but I don't remember off the top of my head. I followed [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Adapt_your_LocalSettings.php this documentation] and had remarkably good results. If you could use some help, let me know. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:05, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: A quick reminder: an earlier review discovered that scripts/wikitrim.py wouldn't work with modern versions of MediaWiki due to a change in the table layout. Granted, we only run wikitrim when we need to reclaim disk space, so it won't be needed if and when we move to a server with more disk space. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:31, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::The current MediaWiki has a deleteOldRevisions.php maintenance script that purges all but the latest revision of a list of pages (or all pages). It could probably be adapted to keep a few more revisions. You then run purgeOldText.php (a wrapper for purgeRedundantText() in Maintenance.php) to get rid of of the orphaned text, which shouldn't need any change. If disk space is an issue, you could also look at turning on compression. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:53, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::: Oh, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Reduce_size_of_the_database I see]. Yes, $wgCompressRevisions and/or deleteOldRevisions.php would help address the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:40, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Wind's Twelve Quarters 3rd printing ==<br />
<br />
Based on the printing history on the 4th printing copyright page [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?587854 here], I'd like to change the date on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298777 3rd printing] to 1977-09-00 and add a source note. Would that be a problem? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:57, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:No, not at all. Perfect. Nice find! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:15, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Secret Texts ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?236593 Vengeance of Dragons], would you mind if I add the map on page [xii] to the titles? <br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?162031 Courage of Falcons], would you mind if I change the page count to xxiii+433 and add the map on page [xii] to the titles? <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:30, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:No objection. Feel free. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:30, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Houndstooth ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282244; I added OL ID and also replaced the unstable Amazon cover with OL cover, which is a bit sharper. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:22, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Adult Fantasy: Volume II ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15933; I replaced Amazon cover with Bookscans. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:36, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Bloodsongs ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5049; Current cover is small and unstable; you may want to replace it with OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:26, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:Did that. Thanks for the suggestion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:22, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Time Echo ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251200; While adding the few Arcadia House SF books on Archive.org in edits (most of them they have are westerns, mysteries and nurse novels) this one came up because it has the publisher's name on the copyright page. I added the Archive link but you may want to replace the now unstable cover with another one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:07, 4 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Barker's In the Flesh ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5511919; I replaced the unstable "G" image with another Amazon image that's stable and looks better; OK? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:55, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Looks good, thanks. I accepted the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:11, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Orbit One ==<br />
<br />
I have added the cover artist to both the Macfadden & Uni Book version (Jack Faragasso) the art can be found here www.liveauctioneers.com/item/66375301_jack-faragasso-american-b1929-orbit-time [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 13:29, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Thanks. I accepted both of the related submissions. When you discover something like this and add the credit, you should record the source in the Pub Notes, not just in notes to the moderator (unless you happen to see it is on the publication itself). The source for any piece of information that is not on/in the publication should be documented in the notes. I took the information you gave and added it to the notes for each pub. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:18, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Baynes Illustrations for Tolkien ==<br />
<br />
Hi MartyD<br />
<br />
I'm holding two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475700 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475701 here]. These would replace the single INTERIORART record for our mutually verified ''Smith of Wooten Major & Farmer Giles of Ham'' withe separate INTERIORART records for the illustrations from the separate publications of the two stories. If I were the sole verifier, I would approve these, but I'm actually ambivalent about the change. Do you have an opinion on whether these edits should be approved or rejected? I'm leaving the same note on all the active verifiers page and will follow up if we have a disagreement on what to do. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 5 January 2023 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Sorry, some family things had me out of town for a few days.... That's funny, I have a like pair of submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475729 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475730 here] for the same change to a different edition (where I am sole verifier) on hold because I wanted to go dig out the book and take a look at what's actually in it. I don't care much one way or the other, but I wanted to double-check that there are indeed separate illustrations for each story and that the two artists were each solely responsible for the respective art. If that is the case, the change is fine with me. If you have already checked, go for it. I will try to dig the books up sometime today. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I took a look, and it seems ok to me. I was thinking it's more one set of illustrations across the entire book, but you can see the styles are different. '''Smith of Wootton Major''' has fewer, large full-page illustrations, while '''Farmer Giles of Ham''' has many small illustrations embedded in the text. So I am good with splitting if that's what consensus wants to do. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:44, 10 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I'm going to go ahead and approve the edits. There is a [https://archive.org/details/smithofwoottonma1975tolk partial scan] of a 1978 standalone edition of SWM where the title page matches ours. There is also a [https://archive.org/details/farmergilesofham0000tolk full scan] of FGH included in a different collection in 1977 and with matching illustrations. While these are later printings, they all bear the same original copyright dates. These aren't definitive proof, but do suggest that the illustrations are the same as the original standalone publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hello Marty, re your {{P|284262|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:54, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Commented there. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Podkayne of Mars ==<br />
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I have an [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420964 earlier edition] than your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263664 Podkayne of Mars] with the same cover. Mine differs from the listed entry in having the author credit on the title page as "Robert Heinlein" rather than "Robert A. Heinlein". None of the PV's are available, but I wondered if your later printing suffered the same problem. How is the author listed on the title page for your copy? P.S. I've asked all three of the active PVs. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:19, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry for the delay. Needed to do a bit of excavation. Mine indeed has "Robert Heinlein" on the title page (as well as front and spine). The only "A." is on the copyright statement. I can only plead brain cramp. I will fix the record for mine. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:29, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I have fixed this up for the third printing. Based on what you said, I made the date on the variant be 1964-04-00. I assume you will be updating the record for the first printing, but if you'd rather I did it, let me know -- it takes a couple of submissions to switch out the title. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:46, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks for checking. I think I got mine done (self-moderated) correctly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:57, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Defining "Published" ==<br />
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A quick heads-up since you participated in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Defining_.22Published.22 this Rules and Standards discussion back in February]: a new version of the proposed Policy update [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#2023-04-30_version has been posted] and is available for review/discussion. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:30, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deathstone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38205; I was doing some Ken Eulo edits and you PV 2 of them back in '09; this one has an unstable "G" image, not a thing back then, so if you'd like to replace it with a modern stable image that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Element of Doubt ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5713109; I added to your entry in case you want to approve it before someone else sees it and decides to do the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:47, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Oh, nice find! Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:49, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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==SciFiwise magazine stories not merged==<br />
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Hello, you recently approved my entry for SciFiwise magazine May 2023. I just reviewed everything, and I found that every story in the magazine (they are all reprints) now has two separate entries, one entry for all its past publications, and one for its publication in SciFiwise magazine. An example of this is Kris Rusch's story "The Observer". Its SciFiwise publication page is here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3203792 and its other publications are all recorded here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916068<br />
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This is just one example, every story contained in the SciFiwise Magazine May 2023 isfdb record is like this.<br />
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My questions are (1) do these kind of things eventually get merged. and (2) Did I do anything wrong when I entered the data that caused this? I naively thought that if I was careful to match title, author, and date of publication then isfdb would figure out the story publication is a reprint that should be listed along with other printings. Was there some field I should have filled out to make this work, but somehow missed?<br />
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I ask because I am planning to start submitting the April, May, and June SciFiwise magazines, and those stories are also reprints. So if I did something wrong, I'd like to correct the error in future submisions.<br />
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Thanks in advance for any help you can provide! [[User:Petersdrang|Petersdrang]] ([[User talk:Petersdrang|talk]]) 12:43, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, poor moderatorship on my part. If a publication is created with all of the contents entered from scratch (which is fine and normal), after the submission is accepted, someone has to run Check for Duplicate Titles (available in the Editing Tools section of the navigation menu when viewing the publication record) and merge any of the newly-created content titles with existing title records for the same work. Since you can't do that until after acceptance, the accepting moderator will normally do it (and I will go do that now), although anyone can do it -- merging is a moderated action, just like most other edits, so you can't hurt anything by proposing a merge. To avoid the merge process, an alternative approach for a publication with not-original contents is to supply just any original contents on the initial submission and, after that is accepted, use Import Content (also in Editing Tools when viewing the publication) to bring in the existing title records. If you want to bring in only a couple of titles, or if you want to bring in a bunch of titles that come from only one or two publications, Import Content works well. But since you have to do one import submission per title or per other-publication, it is rather tedious if you have many titles from many other publications to bring in. Check-for-Duplicates after the fact and submitting the individual merges is easier in that case.<br />
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:Not relevant to your situation, one other option is Clone This Pub. If you have a new publication with a lot of contents similar to another publication's, you can clone it, which makes you a new publication that will include all of the other publication's contents. You can add more at submission time, and after the submission is accepted you can remove any contents that do not belong.<br />
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: So the TL;DR version of all of that: Sorry, I forgot to merge those titles, and I will go do it now. :) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:20, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::It should be all set now. I merged the duplicates and made "10^16 to 1" a variant of "10¹⁶ to 1". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:25, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::p.s. To answer your questions: You did nothing wrong. Unlike author credits, the software does not automatically match-and-merge titles, even if all of the information is the same. You should enter contents exactly as credited in the publication (except normalizing case/punctuation) per the help's instructions. So use the publication's exact title wording and exact author credit. For reprinted works, supply as much of the original publication date as you know, otherwise just leave it blank. The Check For Duplicate Titles operation will match things up whose title wording and author credits are the same. Those can be merged (and during that operation, you can choose which date to keep if they differ). For previously published items where the title wording is different or the author's name is credited differently, we have to make variant titles link titles with differing wording and/or author credit to each other. Depending on what information already exists, that variant process can be anything from easy to mildly complicated. In its simplest form, you find the canonical title, copy its ID or link (as you did above), then go to the newly added title and choose Make This Title a Variant. In there is an option to link it to an existing title, and you paste the ID/link in there and submit. If you run into one of those, just ask and someone will help you. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:41, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for all your help and the detailed explanation! [[User:Petersdrang|Petersdrang]] ([[User talk:Petersdrang|talk]]) 11:12, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saberhagen, Zelazny - The Black Throne ==<br />
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Hello Marty, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|36105|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you want to be notified every time I make those edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:30, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi. Thanks for the warning, but adding secondary IDs and/or verification is not something you normally need to notify PVers about. No harm in doing so, of course. You are welcome to add such IDs, or notes about secondary sources, to any of my PVed pubs without notifying me; just make sure the Note to the Moderator says what you did. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:58, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your considerate answer :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:07, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Castle Keeps ==<br />
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Germane to this edition you PV'd: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244357 I submitted note to moderator: Submitting pub note additions (Berkley Pub. Corp., assumed 1st ed., number on spine), & Goodreads external ID. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 03:38, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Taper ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?701440; I have a question about this. My edit adding the price sat around for more than 2 months for some reason until you approved it today; when I added it the guy who wrote the long note hadn't PV the book yet and didn't do so until nearly 2 weeks later. So why exactly wasn't my edit approved back when I made it? It wasn't the usual "you have to check with PV first before making any changes" thing mods always complain about because it wasn't verified yet. So now my note about where I found the price is gone and it looks like PV is solely responsible for adding the price. I suppose it makes more sense since he has an actual copy of the book with the price in it but still. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi. Sorry, I don't know why it would have been sitting there for so long, as the edits were straightforward and there was no PV at the time. As for the note about the price, the notes are meant to document information whose source is not the book itself, not who contributed the information. Since the PV's edit added the price in that later submission, I assume it is on the book itself. If I had left the note you added, it would have implied (at least, to me) that the price came from somewhere other than that book. So I removed it to avoid potential confusion about its source. I did not mean to minimize your research effort or contributions to the record. If you look at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708441 Edit History], that your submission provided price, a note regarding provenance, and external ID(s) is documented and preserved. If you think your note should still appear in the record's notes, I'd be happy to restore it with a slightly modified label (e.g., "Price corroborated by:" instead of "Price from:"). Let me know. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:31, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It's OK, no need to add anything. He has a copy of the actual book so that's more trustworthy than a price from a newspaper, although he oddly mentioned price info twice in the same note. I'm just trying to get all or at least most of my (currently) 1,150 edits to be approved (or at least rejected with good reason) before 10/1 when I resume editing because I plan to add as many horror-related edits as I can during the month of October before hopefully giving up editing on a regular basis. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:01, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blaedud ==<br />
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I think you've put message to Chavey in the middle instead of at the end of their very long list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:No good deed goes unpunished. Thanks, moved it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:46, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Can I ask if you clicked on my link before you moved it because it was a completely wrong one from another book that I was working on at the same time. Was it Blaedud or was it Stepford when (if) you looked at it? It bothers me that I made such a careless mistake but I'm sure you knew what I was really referring to because I put the right title in the title bar above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, the link was wrong when I looked at it, but I knew what you were talking about. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:48, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow of the Mutant Master ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=shadow-of-the-mutant&sort=-addeddate; That copy has 152 pages. What does your PV copy say? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:The disconnect is that these are recorded as magazine issues, rather than as books. The page count rule for magazines is different (see the first bullet of [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages|Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]]; also the instructions in the next bullet about handling cross-issue numbering). For those, the page count is all of the pages, including the covers. So while the last numbered page is 152, the total page count is 164, which matches the scan (and my copy). I don't know why these are recorded as magazines. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:04, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Empire by Orson Scott Card ==<br />
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Added an image for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219865 your verified pub]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:05, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Harry Harrison / Make Room(!) Make Room(!) ==<br />
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I'm looking at my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283246 Make Room Make Room] and completely agree with the final pub note regarding the punctuation of the title. It seems to me that the title of this pub should be changed to remove the exclamation marks and then varianted. Do you agree? If so, I'm happy to submit the edits. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi. I, along with whoever was the accepting moderator at the time, was happy to avoid making the variant, since the canonical form was also used in many places on the publication. If you want to set up a variant, though, it's ok with me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:52, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I'll proceed with the title change and varianting. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:54, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dixie Ray ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?77301; I stumbled on the fact that a 40-something printing of Fahrenheit 451 has art by Whistlin' Dixie, not Whistl'n, and since the 2 PV printings are by Don Erikson who dropped out of here years ago I changed it. He also PV 1 printing of October Country and someone from the old days named CoachPaul PV another but you are the only active PV. So if you can check and fix OC's artist to Whistlin' if that's what yours says. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hey, I could actually find my copy of OC! It's very clearly "Cover art by Whistl'n Dixie", though. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:58, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Uh oh, that's a problem because now it will need to be decided which fake name should be the parent. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:08, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Whichever has the most entries, unless we know who used it as a pseudonym. Then we can variant each of the pseudonyms to the actual name. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:03, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Another problem because after my fix is approved each name will have 1 entry. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:18, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Then I'd pick the oldest. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:33, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I suspect "Whistl'n" is correct. I found this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/364260669280 . Era corresponds, and the OC cover, at least, does look like the same style. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:38, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::p.s. I also found https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/products/fahrenheit-451-ray-bradbury-1977-del-rey-books-paperback which shows "Whistl'n Dixie" for the 45th printing of the Ballantine ''Farenheit 451''. I've held the title-level change and also added a note to the record for the 45th edition (I will add a note to the record for my OC copy as well). When I get a chance, I will unmerge and do varianting.... If we can find copyright page pictures of Farenheit 451 editions, that would be helpful. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:49, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::::In case anyone cares, I was able to find more copyright page pictures on eBay, so we have this evidence:<br />
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| 0-345-25027-3[-150] || 43rd || 1976-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 44th || 1977-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 45th || 1977-11-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 46th || 1978-08-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
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::::::::I think I have everything fixed up. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?537601 this]. I made records for additional printings and documented the credit in each. Let me know if anything looks wrong. I also started [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Secondary_source_artist_credit_in_face_of_credit_change_over_time|this discussion]] about how to handle the credit for the 40th printing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:22, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== 291 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5901171; I replaced unstable image with one that's slightly bigger and less ragged at the corners. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Got it, thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:38, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best Horror Stories: XIX ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5897763 This submission] that you've on hold needs to be rejected as editor states ''...roman and arab numbers are sequential.''. It would imply 378 pages instead of the actual 366. Notes to clarify may be in order. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 13:11, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, yes, but not everyone agrees. See [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Roman_Numerals]]. I have held it pending the outcome. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 21:40, 23 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== H. P. Lovecraft Wordsearch ==<br />
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Does [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09MZ1DHY6?ref_=dbs_m_mng_rwt_calw_tpbk_0&storeType=ebooks&asin=B09MZ1DHY6&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1 H. P. Lovecraft Wordsearch: Eldritch Wordsearch Puzzles in the World of the Cthulhu mythos] belong on this site? If so, how would it be listed? Just a listing of the book without the content? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:04, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I would enter it as NONFICTION and add a Note to the effect that, in addition to the puzzles, it contains a brief Lovecraft biography and an (also brief) secondary bibliography. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:54, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I hope [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?963829 this] is correct. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:47, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You noted two pieces of bibliographical nonfiction, but there is only one (an introduction) listed in that publication. I don't see any pending submissions for it, either. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:34, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:33, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Creating a separate page (linked) out of a publication's notes? ==<br />
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I'm trying to find out how to add a link in an individual publication's Notes which leads to a Wiki page where I can record a lot (5 book pages-worth) of biblio data about the pub. I'm not finding anything obvious in the template Help pages ([https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Header_templates here] & [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PubHeader here]). If the answer's in the latter, I'm not seeing how to use it... Is it even possible? Advice please, Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:23, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Create the wiki page, then link it as you would link any other page outside of the server - in the Web Pages field. One warning though - we have a multi-year project going on migrating data out of the wiki and into the DB (so a lot of these templates are now obsolete and the code connecting and serving them had been removed from the server) - the archiving and backups of both of them are done differently so if there is a catastrophic failure, we may not be able to restore both. Plus the public site archives do NOT contain the wiki - just covers and the DB. If you still want to create the page though, go ahead -- no template needed - it is just a regular page you then can add to the Web Pages field :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Technically, the automatic link between old publication-specific Wiki comments and related publication records still exists, e.g. see the following line in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RLFTRPTPHR1994 ''Reel Future'']:<br />
::* '''Bibliographic Comments''': View Publication comment (RLFTRPTPHR1994) <br />
:: However, it is based on the pub's "publication tag" (RLFTRPTPHR1994), which is not to be confused with title-based tags like "horror". "Publication tags" are neither visible nor editable anymore. Going forward you will want to do what Annie suggested, i.e. enter any publication-specific Wiki pages that you may decide to create within the ISFDB Wiki in the pub's "Web pages" multi-field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:22, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Oh, right, the publication one is still active - I know a few got killed when most of the existing data was moved. The ID is visible if you start uploading a cover - that’s what is used for the cover file title - so while not editable, they can at least be found if one needs them. However, if a page is added that way, it will just pop up in the cleanup report and someone will need to move the link to the Web Pages anyway so we may as well skip the middle step. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:32, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great, Web page it is then. I'll see what I can do, many thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:57, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Convert an anthology to omnibus ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369095 This pub] and two others I will add are collected into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369153 this pub]. Since all three works were published separately first, should [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369153 this pub] be converted to an Omnibus. If so, I assume I remove all of the contents and then import the associated three pubs. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:55, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://archive.org/search?query=interlyth&sort=-addeddate; You're probably already aware but there's an archived copy available. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:46, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I added the link. I was surprised that only the omnibus was uploaded. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 14:57, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge container ==<br />
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I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3214045 Dr. Jekyll] as a chapbook and then realized it was a novel. I tried to convert the chapbook to a novel, but now I have a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3214045 new container novel]. I've been trying to merge this container with the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28194 actual variant]. So far I've failed to merge this. I was about to delete it all and start over, but I'm hoping someone can help me sort it out. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 19:39, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think if you remove {{T|3214045|this title}} from the publication and then either delete or merge it, you should be fine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:01, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That worked. Thanks! Not sure why I didn't try that. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 19:39, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pages ==<br />
<br />
I have a book with an introduction on numbered pages Roman vii to xi. The novel starts on the first numbered page Arabic 1.<br />
<br />
Between the two sections are 3 unnumbered pages, the 2nd of which contains a map which I want to include in the regular titles (the pages either side of it are blank). Advice please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:42, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Pages: xi+[3]+Arabic - Page number of the map is [2]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:06, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As I read [[Template:PubContentFields:Page|this help template]], the map would be on page xiii. For the overall pages field per [[Template:PublicationFields:Pages|this template]], I would add as xi+Arabic count. It specifically states that unnumbered pages between Roman and Arabic pages can be ignored, whereas the first template states that page numbers can be extrapolated for unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages. The only possible question is whether the page the map is on would still be considered to be within the range of the numbered pages. I would consider it so. Despite the fact that the numbering (Roman vs Arabic) changes, it's still an unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:22, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ron, thanks for the correction. Although a content title with a Roman numeral higher than that stated in the pages field seems odd. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:12, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Agreed that it's a little odd. But it's understandable within the context of the help pages. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:55, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::This problem doesn't occur for regular content page counts because blank page(s) beyond the last page are included in the page count. The first template also states that page numbers for unnumbered pages can be derived for Roman-numeraled pages. These points suggest that Pages: could be xii+Arabic and the map page number would be xii. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:24, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::In my opinion, John has supplied the correct and best answer to this case.<br />
::::::Ron refers to bullet point 2 of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages Template:PublicationFields:Pages] which states "Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored.". However, bullet point 3 states "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets.". Nowhere in this bullet point does it state that it does not apply if there are also Roman numeral pages in the pub. You could argue that the two bullet points are contradictory but, to be fair, this unusual case probably wasn't considered when these Help notes were written.<br />
::::::For me, the clincher is: What do you consider constitutes a range of pages? Ron considers that the map falls within one range of numbered pages. I think it falls between two separate ranges of numbered pages. It's not so much that the style of numbering changes (Roman to Arabic). It's more that the values of the page numbers in the first range (vii-xi translates to 7-9) is repeated in the second range (1-999 (or whatever)). To me, that's two ranges. Once you interpret it this way, John's answer makes sense, is not inconsistent with the Help notes and follows the same principles that are used for additional content on unnumbered pages at the end of a book. It also avoids the scenario of having a content title with a Roman numeral higher than that stated in the Pages field which I find very undesirable and confusing for a user.<br />
::::::Doug H's reply does not apply to the case that has been raised. Unnumbered pages beyond the last numbered page are only included in the page count if there is content that starts in the numbered pages and continues onwards into the unnumbered pages. If content that needs to be indexed starts after the last numbered page then its page numbers are denoted in square brackets. See bullet point 3 of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages Template:PublicationFields:Pages] and also the 4th of the 5 examples in this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book How To]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for the comments. John's answer was the one I arrived at before I posted the question. One can look at that value and derive straight away what the layout is. Teallach, I agree with every point you make - I couldn't have set it out better. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:30, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Aeon 14: Title and series issues ==<br />
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I need advice on how to handle a rather complex situation. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?246271 M. D. Cooper] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249808 James S. Aaron] have written 10 novels plus 2 omnibuses in the currently named "Sentience Wars" series (as documented on the [https://www.aeon14.com/series/sentience-wars Aeon14 website]). The novels 1-5 were originally published as part of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?49667 Sentience Wars: Origins] series but are now shown on the author's website as numbers 1-5 of the "Sentience Wars" series. The later four novels are simply shown as numbers 6-9 of the "Sentience Wars" series and have yet to be added to the DB. Two of the novels were originally part of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?51889 Legends of the Sentience Wars] series: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2443987 The Proteus Bridge] and "Vesta Burning" (which has yet to be added to the DB). However, the author's website now shows "The Proteus Bridge" as book 0 of the "Sentience Wars" series. "Vesta Burning" has been renamed "Lyssa's Light" and is shown as number 6 of the "Sentience Wars" series. To add to the complexity, "Vesta Burning" was published as an ebook and an audiobook plus was included in the omnibus "Lyssa's Fire - Sentience Wars Books 4-5 Omnibus: Includes Vesta Burning". The omnibus was later republished as "Lyssa's Fire: The Sentience Wars - Books 4-6 Omnibus Edition" with "Vesta Burning" replaced by "Lyssa's Light" as the third component title.<br />
<br><br><br />
Issue 1: "Vesta Burning" / "Lyssa's Light". Should "Lyssa's Light" be considered a variant of "Vesta Burning" or is it a different publication that needs a note referring back to the original name? The Amazon Look-inside view of [https://www.amazon.com/Vesta-Burning-Assault-Mission-Sentience-ebook/dp/B07G4M7Z24/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=1-1 "Lyssa's Light"] has an editor's note at the beginning of the Foreword stating the rename and series change. The title page shows "Lyssa's Light: The Sentience Wars - Book 6". I'm leaning toward making these two separate titles with appropriate notes. Unfortunately, I can't find any information as to exactly when the rename occurred but suspect it was around the same time as "Lyssa's Fire: The Sentience Wars - Books 4-6 Omnibus Edition" was published in February 2019. Advice?<br />
<br><br><br />
Issue 2: Series name/numbering. I would like to reorganize the series entries for these books as follows:<br />
<br> > Age of the Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >> 1 The Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >>> 1 Legends of the Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >>>> 1 The Proteus Bridge<br />
<br> >>>> 2 Vesta Burning<br />
<br> >>> 2 Sentience Wars (with a series note "Titles 1-5 were originally part of a discontinued series called 'Sentience Wars: Origins'" and a similar note on each of the title records.)<br />
<br> >>>> titles #1-9<br />
<br>Would this be acceptable?<br />
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Issue 3: Completely reorganize the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?44561 Aeon 14] series to match the author's series and subseries demarcations as shown on the [https://www.aeon14.com/aeon14-books Aeon 14 website]. I think the existing series structure is not particularly useful for a reader and this would be a better organization for this large volume of titles. The top level would remain Aeon 14 and the first level subseries would be:<br />
<br>1 Age of the Sentience Wars <br />
<br>2 Second Age of Colonization<br />
<br>3 Age of Terra<br />
<br>4 Age of the FTL Wars<br />
<br>5 Age of Reconstruction<br />
<br>6 Age of the Orion War<br />
<br>7 Age of the Ascension War<br />
<br>The existing subseries would be moved under the appropriate "Age" subseries and renumbered appropriately. Would this be acceptable?<br />
<br><br>Thanks [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:35, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The first question that comes to mind is "Were the texts changed when the series was reorganized by the author(s)?" If they were, then we could enter them as separate titles and put them in different series the way it was done with {{A|David Wingrove}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?32596 Chung Kuo Universe], which was split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1573 Chung Kuo (original)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30074 Chung Kuo (recasting)].<br />
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: If the texts were not changed, then all identical texts which use different titles should be linked using the variant title system. In the case of Issue 1, "Lyssa's Light" would become a variant of "Vesta Burning".<br />
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: Re: reorganizing the series structure, I don't have a preference. I remember entering some of these books, either manually or via Fixer, but I was just following what was on Amazon and/or on the author's Web page when assigning series numbers. [[User:Chris J]] also did a fair amount of work on the series, so he may be a good person to consult.<br />
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: Unfortunately, this is not an uncommon occurrence. As series grow, their authors and/or publishers occasionally decide that it would be useful to change their structure and/or the recommended reading order. Sometimes they even list entries inconsistently, e.g. a prequel may be listed either as "Book 0" or as "Book 0.5" or not given a number at all. All we can do is pick the numbers/structure that make the most sense and explain the rest in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:51, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: P.S. I should also mention that, as [[Help:Screen:EditSeries]] says:<br />
:* A series can have only one name, so if two or more names are equally well known (e.g. one name is used in the UK and another in Australia), the only option is to list them all in a slash delimited format, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1455 ''Moon Singer / Free Trader / Moon Magic'']<br />
: It doesn't help much when dealing with series reorganizations (as opposed to series renamings), but it's something to keep in mind. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== g. haron davis uses lower case for their name ==<br />
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Like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22680 e. e. cummings], the author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?361205 g. haron davis] uses all lower case for their name. They do so consistently on [https://www.harlequin.com/shop/authors/29388_g-haron-davis.html their Harlequin author page], [https://www.harpercollins.com/blogs/authors/g-haron-davis-20221285357600 their HarperCollins author page], and [https://www.ghdis.me/ their own website].<br />
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Is there a process for getting their canonical name fixed? — [[User:Sylvar|Sylvar]] ([[User talk:Sylvar|talk]]) 13:33, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have checked Amazon Inside's data for the anthology that we have on file and, sure enough, the author is credited as "g. haron davis". I have adjusted the canonical name.<br />
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: Re: the process, some high-impact actions -- like changing an author's canonical name -- are limited to moderators. If you come across similar cases, please request assistance on [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]]. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:31, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thread link missing ==<br />
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Whenever [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Hifrommike65 Mike] posts to talk pages, and it shows up on my watchlist, a link to his posted thread is missing. Have others noticed this and does anyone know why? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:43, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The link is missing because he is not using 'Add topic' to start a new thread. He is using 'Edit' (whole page) or 'Edit' the last thread and adding a new thread title at the bottom. Hopefully he will see this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John, I hope that solves it. :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:54, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry, I'll correct this error. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 18:46, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moving existing publication to different variant title ==<br />
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Is there a process for moving an existing publication record to an existing variant title? For example, publication {{P|339486}} is an English translation of Mikhail Bulgakov's {{T|1020614|Мастер и Маргарита}} translated by Michael Glenny (according to its record notes) but it is linked to the variant title {{T|10458}} for English translations by "an unknown or uncredited hand" when there is a variant title for Michael Glenny's translation {{T|2587871}}. I expect this process will come up a lot when cleaning up translation records. Thanks! -- [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 12:17, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:You have a choice of two methods, both require two submissions.<br />
:* Method One <br />
:: Click on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?10458 title record]. Select 'Unmerge Titles' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Check the box for the 1974 title record. Submit.<br />
:: After the submission is approved, merge the new title with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2587871 this one]. In the note to mod, indicate whether you will submit the merge or you rather the moderator go ahead and do it.<br />
:* Method Two<br />
:: Click on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?339486 publication record].<br />
:: Select 'Import Content' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Under option 2 enter '2587871' and submit. (This is the Glenny translation title record).<br />
:: Select 'Remove Titles From This Pub' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Select the old container title and submit (This removes the Unknown hands translation and makes Glenny translation the container title).<br />
: The advantage of method 2 is that both edits can be submitted together. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks! I've gone ahead and entered the submissions using Method Two for the example I shared. -- [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 13:33, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:35, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robosoldiers / 2nd printing? ==<br />
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I'm second guessing my cloning to create [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968246 Robosoldiers: Thank Your for Your Servos]. It occurred to me that I had preordered from Amazon, and it kicked on the release date given in the 1st printing record. However, it has a number line indicating a 2nd printing. Upon thought, it seems more likely that the number line is wrong, rather than it having two printings out on the release date. There is no PV for the 1st printing PB record. Perhaps adding the number line to the 1st printing record, and noting the purchase date? Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:41, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Hmmm, not being an expert, but what I think could have happened is that the tp edition is considered 1st printing, and the pb edition considered 2nd printing. If that's the case, the printing line isn't wrong per se (this happens a lot with Dutch publications by the way). Anyway, your proposal makes sense. Keep yours, update with publication date per Amazon as of 2023-04-27, add clarifying notes per your arguments above, and delete the non-PV'd record. If it so happens that there ever is a 1st printing pb edition uncovered, it can still be added. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:28, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I had suggested editing the original (non-PV'd) record, while you're suggesting deleting it. Does it make a difference? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:57, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Not really - only difference is that it would preserve your verification data when keeping your record. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Award Records - How to create new year ==<br />
<br />
Hi.<br />
<br />
I'd love to add the 2023 Sturgeon Awards to the appropriate stories, but I've been searching and I have no clue on how to add a new year for an Award, etc. I did see one online item for "Help:Screen:EditAward" but I was unable to figure out how to use it or get to the Award Editor.<br />
<br />
Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:57, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Simply add an award record to a title and enter "2023" in the year when doing that. Once the award submission is approved, it will show the new year in the award listing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:15, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Assuming that the first issue is "...unable to figure out how to use it or get to the Award Editor", then you'll want to start by pulling up the Title record that you want to add an award to, then clicking on "Add an Award to This Title" in the navigation bar on the left. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:41, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reversed imprint publisher record ==<br />
<br />
According to the Belgrave House website [https://www.belgravehouse.com/about here], Regency Reads is an imprint. The publisher record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?54054 Belgrave House / Regency Reads] is therefore reversed. I'd like to correct the record to read "Regency Reads / Belgrave House". It will only impact 3 publications. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: You might also check [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49955 these]. It's possible some them should also be 'Regency Reads / Belgrave House'. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:59, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I'll make the change and then check the Belgrave House pubs that I haven't already checked. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:10, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Whoops. Looks like a moderator has to make the change. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:13, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I made the switch for you. If you find that all of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49955 these] are Regency Reads / Belgrave House, I can merge them. Otherwise, just change the pubs one by one. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:22, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::Some are legitimately just Belgrave House. I have changed the ones that should have had the imprint name as well. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:36, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks Phil, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:53, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Links from Social Media ==<br />
<br />
I frequently link to ISFDB as an authoritative repository of SF in print, but the links end up mangled with an equals sign at the end.<br />
<br />
* Is this due to handling of URI addenda?<br />
* Would a fixed rewrite to strip terminal equal signs from URI parameters solve the issue?<br />
<br />
'''Example 1''' (works despite itself):<br />
<br />
* I pasted the link to the Belgariad into Facebook with <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?704><br />
* Clicking on it takes me to <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?704=>, which '''still works'''.<br />
<br />
'''Example 2''' (fails):<br />
<br />
* I pasted the link to ''Pawn of Prophecy'' into Facebook with <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25761><br />
* Clicking on it takes me to <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25761=>, which '''fails'''.<br />
<br />
If Facebook is doing something annoying, it may be best to treat it as a force of nature and adapt. {{unsigned|Gnomon}}<br />
<br />
: Unfortunately, Facebook adding "stuff" to third party URLs is a known issue. We first ran into it in 2018 when Facebook started adding "&fbclid=lots-o-characters" to the end of ISFDB URLs. We addressed it in {{FR|1207}}, "Ignore Facebook tracking IDs", which has more technical details than you are probably interested in.<br />
<br />
: A single trailing "=" sign is new and may or may not confuse our software depending on what kind of Web page is being linked. Most ISFDB pages expect an ISFDB record number and optional "+"-delimited parameters specifying what kind of display format to use. Author and series pages accept both record numbers and author/series names, which may contain a "=" sign. Publication pages accept a publication record number OR an alphabetical "tag". (Publication tags are deprecated, but still supported to be backward compatible.) Finally, Advanced Search pages use a completely different format which uses "=" signs as special characters, e.g. "USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact". This means that "=" characters may or may not be valid depending on the type of the linked page, e.g. we have an author record for "ルイス=キャロル".<br />
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: The good news is that URL processing was centralized a year or two ago, so any tweaks should be easier to implement than was the case in 2018. I'll go ahead and take a closer look. Thanks for reporting the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:36, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have made a software change on the development server. The software now removes trailing "=" characters, but only if the rest of the parameter (i.s. the stuff after "?") is all digits. However, before I deploy it to the main server, could you please provide an example of a Facebook page that has this issue? I'd like to make sure that Facebook is doing what we think it's doing. Thanks in advance. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have updated the main server to strip trailing '=' signs from URLs. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:30, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Please forgive my missing your reply. That fixed the issue. Facebook still occasionally fails to load cover art with a direct link, but I take your point about chasing Facebook's behaviors. Thank you for maintaining this resource. [[User:Gnomon|Gnomon]] 06:56, 11 March 2023 (EDT).<br />
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::::: No worries. Thanks for confirming that the immediate issue has been been fixed! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:09, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Author with Two Different Names Question ==<br />
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Hello, ISFDB.<br />
I have published work under William Gillard and Bill Gillard. Those pages are here:<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?245999<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?197158<br />
<br />
My most commonly used name is Bill Gillard, and I'd like that to be my "main" page. Are we able to combine my pages somehow? <br />
Thank you so very much for helping to maintain this valuable resource!<br />
Bill Gillard {{Unsigned2|23:08, September 8, 2023|Billgillard}}<br />
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: Bill, thanks for bringing this to our attention. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?197158 William Gillard] is now an alternate name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?245999 Bill Gillard]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:32, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The American Weekly Magazine, cover and interior art and stories ==<br />
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Although not strictly a magazine, The Hearst Sunday supplement appeared in 20 newspapers for nearly 50 years and the artists and writers of the stories were also fantasy artists ( Virgil Findlay, Edmund Dulac, Willy Pogany, etc.). Could The American Weekly be added to the magazine list, and the front covers of these artists be listed as 'cover art' as well? Edmund Dulac alone produced 106 covers, Willy Pogany probably the same. Findlay did only one cover, but outstanding interior art, and the first book covering the American Weekly of was his work for the magazine.<br />
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Albert Seligman<br />
Editor<br />
"The American Weekly Covers of Edmund Dulac 1924-1951", Dulacebooks, 2021 {{Unsigned2|11:15, September 10, 2023|Albertcscs}}<br />
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:It should be Virgil Finlay, not Findlay. Also, the one issue of this magazine on ISFDB misspells A. Merritt as A. Merrit in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for identifying the typos. I have updated publication/author/series Notes, added the 1938-04-10 issue and sent a note to SFE with updated information. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:25, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: It looks like there may be two separate issues here: magazine eligibility and cover artist eligibility.<br />
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:: Re: magazine eligibility, [[Help:Entering_non-genre_periodicals]] states that:<br />
::* In many cases a work of speculative fiction has been published in a periodical that does not specialize in such works. In particular, many well-known (and many not so well-known) speculative fiction stories were first published in non-genre periodicals. In such cases it is desirable to record such publications in order to make the bibliography of the story complete. However, the ISFDB is not a general-fiction index and the non-speculative-fiction contents of such a periodical should not be entered.<br />
:: This means that the only issues of ''The American Weekly Magazine'' that are eligible are issues with speculative ''fiction'' content. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?271686 "The American Weekly, April 3, 1938"] included part 1 of {{A|John Hawkins}}'s ''Ark of Fire'', so the 1938-04-03 magazine issue is eligible. According to [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/hawkins_ward SFE], the serialization was completed in the April 10 issue, so we will want to create an ISFDB record for the 1938-04-10 issue as well.<br />
:: Re: cover artist eligibility, in the past we didn't enter cover artists for non-genre magazine issues unless the cover illustrated a work of speculative fiction. This rule was changed in 2022 and all eligible issues of non-genre magazines can have cover artist names entered.<br />
:: Hope this helps! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:56, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Two editions with different text ==<br />
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I'm trying to enter a supernatural romance fantasy book which has two editions from day one, one with explicit erotic content and one without. Does this situation requires anything specific I need to do? [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 15:23, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Do you happen to know how significant the differences are? If they are minor, we could create two Publication records under a single Title record and document any discrepancies in the Notes fields. If they are major, we would need to create two separate Title records with a single Publication record associated with each one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:34, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::IIRC (I read the book last fall), there's two sex scenes that are excised from the "clean" edition. I will also clarify that the two edition have actual different titles, ISBNs and slightly different cover designs (reddish pink vs. blue), BTW --[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 11:31, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::What's the title? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Oh, two different titles. In that case we will want to enter them via two separate "New Novel" submissions, then link the two titles using a "Make This Title a Variant" submission. Since the only textual difference is the presence of two sex scenes, we can document this fact in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:56, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Turns out they may not be ''technically'' different titles, though other differences remain. I would personally treat the "blah blah edition" as part of the formal title for at least one of the versions, since that's how the author chose to do so on Amazon (they did not use "flirting with fangs edition" on the default erotica version). [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 14:55, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Checking [https://joydemorra.com/books/ Joy Demorra's Web site], I see two works which have two separate editions: "True Love Bites", a novel, and "Crewel Intentions", a short story. Each one has a "Fluff and Fangs" edition and a "Flirting With Fangs" edition with the terms defined as follows:<br />
::::::* Flirting With Fangs edition: full romance, lots of kissing, and all the '''steamy scenes''' for those who want them.<br />
::::::* Fluff and Fangs edition: full romance, lots of kissing, and a '''fade to black''' for those who like a little more fluff with their fangs.<br />
:::::: Checking Amazon's Look Inside, I note that "Flirting With Fangs" appears on the title page, which is what we use to determine publication title. I suspect that the best way to enter these books would be with their full titles, e.g. ""True Love Bites: Flirting With Fangs", and then to variant them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Trumpet of the Last Judgment ==<br />
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I have a Spanish title "La trompeta del juicio Final" as it is on ISFDB, but on Spanish language sites it's given as "La trompeta del Juicio Final". How should it be for us, considering the recent agreement about sentence case for Portuguese titles, and maybe Spanish as well...? Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:45, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible to change a title record from ESSAY to INTERVIEW ==<br />
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I'm in the process of adding a fanzine in a language I don't read especially well, and accidentally added one article as an ESSAY, when it should have been an INTERVIEW.<br />
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Is there a way to change the type of that title to INTERVIEW, or should I delete that erroneous ESSAY and add a new INTERVIEW title record to replace it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:23, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You will need to add a new interview record and delete the old essay record. I don't believe there is a way to change types to/from interviews and reviews. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:40, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - given that I've been reprimanded more than once for doing a delete/(re)create, rather than an edit/merge/whatever, I thought I'd better double check first :-) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:05, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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I think I posted this in the wrong place so I will try here:<br />
Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1)) <br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages price: 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy <br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb <br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original) <br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original) <br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb <br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb <br />
page 155 Futureboro (original) <br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction: The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books<br />
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Thank you, Roger<br />
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== Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?53929 Good Omens] short story "[https://web.archive.org/web/20061103202606/http://www.harpercollins.com/author/AuthorExtra.aspx?displayType=essay&authorID=7848 Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions]" by Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman was published in 2006, apparently on the HarperCollins website; would it be eligible for addition to ISFDB? If so, how should the story's publication be added: as a webzine? a chapbook? I don't know if the story has been republished in any books or more traditional publications. But since the story was co-written by Pratchett and Gaiman, it's considered part of the "official" Good Omens book canon by both [https://www.tumblr.com/neil-gaiman/705373626386530304/fuckyeahgoodomens-neil-gaiman-neil-gaiman Gaiman] and fansites like the [https://goodomenslexicon.org/frequently-asked-questions/ Good Omens Lexicon]. <br />
[[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 13:21, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover Images ==<br />
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Well, I'm having problems, and that's all there is to it. I'm finding that I can no longer copy images from Amazon. Is this me, or is this something new? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:46, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Are you referring to the latest mouseover zoom feature for the cover images? I've found that I can still right click while hovering over the zoomed image and select "Copy image address". When I paste the link address into the Image URL field, I now always have to remove the formatting info. I already miss the "See This Image" link which Amazon seems to have removed. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:49, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, this "improvement" sux!!! Plain and simple!! [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Still having trouble. Get a lot of "Image hosted by a site which we do not have permission to link to." Yet the image comes from Amazon! [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 03:54, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Can you provide a sample URL in this message as well as which book it is for? Also which Amazon site? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:10, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::You can see an example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5773878 here] from the book on Amazon [https://www.amazon.com/Misery-Kings-Closet-Anthology-Hidden-ebook/dp/B08HGRV479/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1695203913&sr=1-10 here]. The URL is [https://d374oxlv7wyffd.cloudfront.net/B08HGRV479/77cb6452/cover.jpeg here], which, of course, now doesn't work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:45, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::[https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51-SJKAvQfL._SY445_SX342_.jpg]; Try Amazon UK. When I add author images I get them from UK because since amazon.com screwed up their site last year or whenever it was their pages only show a single author photo whereas UK and many other foreign Amazon pages show the whole array of photos if there are more than one included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:59, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
<Outdent> Since I'm not a moderator and can't see the submission review, I'm assuming that you are trying to put the cover image URL in the pub record. If I hover the mouse over the cover image and right click to bring up the action menu and then choose "Copy image address", the copied URL looks like [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81h20I48GeL._SY466_.jpg this]". Since that URL contains formatting data (which starts with "._"), you need to remove that formatting data by deleting everything from the second to last period to the last period. In this case you are deleting "._SY466_" which leaves the correct URL as [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81h20I48GeL.jpg this]. I can't reproduce how you are getting a URL with a cloudfront.net address in it. I hope this helps. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 23:16, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image upload ==<br />
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I've [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THCTNDTHSC2003.jpg just uploaded] a new cover scan for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCTNDTHSC2003 this pub]. The pub is 'date unknown' and the pub ID is |Pub=THCTNDTHSC2003. I haven't linked the uploaded image to the pub yet, but when I do, the image file will be headed as 'File:THCTNDTHSC2003.jpg' and the Description will read as 'Gollancz / Orion Unknown year tp'. To me this looks peculiar. Is this an oversight or is it an expected outcome? The first available edit in the edit history shows the date change to 0000-00-00, so maybe it was 2003 before that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:46, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry I missed the question when it was posted. Your last guess is correct. When a new publication record is created, it gets assigned a "publication tag", in this case "THCTNDTHSC2003". The tag is a combination of the first 10 consonants in the title and the publication year. Subsequent edits do not change the "publication tag". That's why this pub's tag is still "THCTNDTHSC2003" even though the publication year has been changed to "0000-00-00".<br />
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: In most cases publication tags do not matter because the ISFDB software doesn't use them any more. The only exception is the image upload mechanism, which uses publication tags to create new Wiki pages/images. Hope this answers the question! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:05, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::It does indeed, and thanks for explaining that. I'm glad it's something simple.. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:36, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Serialized novels ==<br />
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How do I correctly record a set of serialized novels? We currently have title records for Star Trek: New Frontier novels [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042926 The Returned (Part 1)], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042928 The Returned (Part 2)], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042930 The Returned (Part 3)]. The titles match the title pages. These are three novel length portions of one novel published a month apart. Do I simply make each of the existing titles a variant of a new title named "The Return" and change the content record type for each of the three component title publications to Serial? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:11, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I do think it depends on the actual lengths of the portions: if they are each of shortfiction length (i. e. less than 40,000 words - the more likely case), you are right: but then the single publications would have to be transformed into CHAPBOOKs, each containing a SERIAL as content title (which you can just add). <br />
: If they are above 40,000 words (i. e. the parent novel does have more than 120,000 words [???]) you can really just do the varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:05, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Since they are all shown with Kindle page counts of 180 or more, I'm pretty sure they are novels. I am proceeding to do the varianting, etc. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:56, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sure! 120,000 sounds somewhat enormous, but seems quite regular these days. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:01, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::The variants are created. How do I set the content record type to Serial? I get an error when trying to do it by editing the pub records. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:17, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: The same way you convert novels to chapbooks when it is a novella- except that now it will be a serial. Add a chapbook record into the contents section, change the novel one to SERIAL and change the publication type to a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:57, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: You also need to change the parent title date to 2015. When the work has only been published in serial form, we use just the year. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:02, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Done. Thanks for the help. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:43, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Top Science Fiction" -- adding author intros ==<br />
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Hi. I have a copy of this to hand [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270633 Top Science Fiction: The Authors' Choice] and I note that the ISFDB entry does not list the authors' intros. It seems like it ought to, although they're just a few paragraphs before the story starts. Could-should I add them?<br />
[[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 19:05, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, that would be great! I assume they are by Josh Pachter? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:36, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::They're actually by the authors and aren't separated explicitly from the stories, which is why I was unsure about this. I'll go ahead and do it, and if it's undesirable it's easily reverted. [[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 21:26, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, just enter them as essays by the authors then. If they don't have explicit titles, give them the name of the story with "(introduction)" at the end. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:46, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. Thank you for the help! [[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 09:48, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Messy situation with a translated essay and author credit ==<br />
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I'm in the process of adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?973163 a Chinese fanzine] that is mostly translated articles, and I've encountered a case that I'm not sure I've handled optimally, but I'm not sure what the correct way to go is.<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3231621 This essay] is credited to "洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库 等", where the body of it is a Sinocization of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?303758 Laurențiu Nistorescu] with the trailing "等" indicating "et al". As such, I've credited the essay to 洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库, added a note for the "et al", and made that author an alternate for Laurențiu Nistorescu.<br />
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The problem comes in because [http://www.concatenation.org/europe/sf_romania_2.html the original online publication] doesn't clearly indicate the author(s). A footnote states "This article was a co-operative venture. Much is owed to Laurentiu Nistorescu (SF writer and journalist), Antuza Genescu and Dorin Davideanu (editor of the H. G. Wells Society zine Paradox).", but that feels like some unnamed editor assembled an English-language essay from articles by those authors, quite possibly in Romanian. As such I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3233285 that English essay] as by "uncredited", with the footnote copypasted into the note.<br />
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The problem comes in that the essay doesn't show up on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?303758 the Nistorescu author page] (which is understandable), nor [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369192 the alternate Chinese author page]. The latter seems bad for discoverability and understanding why that author record even exists.<br />
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Any thoughts on whether I should change how these essays have been recorded? A technical fix might be to not "hide" titles on the alternate author's page, if the parent title is logged against unknown/uncredited/etc, but I dunno how much work that would be, or even if it's desirable.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:25, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:One option:<br />
:*Credit the Chinese title to 洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库 and uncredited<br />
:*Credit the English title to Laurentiu Nistorescu, Antuza Genescu, Dorin Davideanu, Silviu Genescu, and uncredited<br />
:A simpler option: Delete the English essay record. As entered, it does not appear in an eligible publication. We only enter webzines, not any web essay. Everything entered in that record can be moved to the Chinese title record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:05, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I would also use the "A" template for {{A|Antuza Genescu}}, {{A|Dorin Davideanu}}, and {{A|Silviu Genescu}} since we have author records for them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:08, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks both. I'll update the author names to use the template.<br />
::: Re. the original "publication" - I appreciate the original isn't really eligible for inclusion in ISFDB, but I'm more interested in capturing the fact that the Chinese publication is a translation of an older essay, and I don't think there's any other way of recording that than creating an English (or whatever) title record to variant to? (Same as how translated webnovels get a parent title record, even though the original webnovel "publication" isn't really ISFDB-eligible.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:40, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The point about "translated webnovels get[ting] a parent title record" is an interesting one. I maintain a few publishers who do exactly that, e.g.:<br />
::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?61427 Cross Infinite World]: publishes English translations of Japanese light novels<br />
::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?72362 Magic Dome Books]/[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74983 Magic Dome Books and 1C-Publishing]: mostly publishes European (mostly Russian and Ukrainian, but also some German) authors, often in translation<br />
:::: Some of these translated novels were originally published in book form, but many original versions are Web novels and have not been published as books. I don't think we have a standard for these types of scenarios, which results in inconsistent dating: some parent titles are enter as "8888-00-00" while others use the date of the online publication. We probably need to discuss these issues on the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:51, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stuck submission? ==<br />
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Wondering my submission seems stuck?<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5773933<br />
Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:50, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I suspect that the moderators who reviewed the submission were not sure whether this "future history" book was a work of fiction. I have confirmed that it is indeed fiction, approved the submission and updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369536 author record]. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:38, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 12:19, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding "Pages to Fill: A Legends & Lattes Short Story" ==<br />
Greetings and felicitations. I'd like to add (or have someone else add) [https://www.travisbaldree.com/pages-to-fill "Pages to Fill: A Legends & Lattes Short Story"], a prequel to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2995100 the novel]. Besides the author's Web site, it is also available in the back of Tor's [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61457585-legends-lattes American hardcover edition] (though I don't have proof of that) and [https://books.apple.com/dk/audiobook/legends-lattes/id1629678565 apparently at the end of the audiobook] (see the full Publisher Description).<br />
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Unfortunately, I can't find instructions on how to do that (for SHORTFICTION), though other comments on this page hint at it. Help, please? —[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 00:15, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Amazon's Look Inside let me confirm that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3236839 "Pages to Fill"] indeed appears at the end of the hardcover edition published by Tor. The table of contents of their ebook edition mentions an "excerpt" from "Pages to Fill", but Look Inside doesn't display it. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?919465 hardcover pub] -- all I had to do was use "Edit This Pub" and add a SHORTFICTION title to the Content section. The version posted on the author's Web site has 9491 words, which makes it a novelette. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:46, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thank you, and I'm sorry about the deletion of discussions here—it was not only unintentional, I did not realize that I was doing it. —[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 03:28, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards ==<br />
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I can't find where to add an award that is not part of the awards list. I appreciate help. Thanks. {{unsigned|Antunes}}<br />
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: [[Help:Screen:AwardType]] says:<br />
:* Award Types define the types of awards (like the Hugo award) that ISFDB currently supports. Only ISFDB bureaucrats can create new award types. Only ISFDB moderators can edit existing award types. If you would like to have a new award type added or an existing award type modified, feel free to post your request on the [[Community Portal]].<br />
: Once a request has been posted in the Community Portal, it usually takes a few days to discuss it. If consensus is reached, then an ISFDB bureaucrat will add a new Award Type. HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:22, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author Directory ==<br />
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I've logged in, yet selecting any letter in the author directory returns that advanced search is restricted? {{Unsigned2|08:59, October 29, 2023|Acb13adm}}<br />
: Are you sure you are logged into the ISFDB as well as this wiki? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:24, 29 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Because the search function is not dependent on being logged in, the problem you are facing must be caused by something else.<br />
:: I do suppose you get the response 'Regular search doesn't support single character searches for names' using the regular search: that answer is intentional, because you wouldn't get the authors whose name begins with this letter but all authors whose name ''contain'' this letter at any position in their spelling (and this can easily lead to more than 100,000 authors to be displayed).<br />
:: If this ain't the problem you're facing: could you please describe more specifically what you're doing (and where), and what the exact wording of the response is? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:24, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Advanced Search requires you to be logged in. That was changed awhile back because of bots causing DB issues. So what is happening is expected behaviour if someone is not logged in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: That's right. Let me add a warning to the "Author Directory" page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:48, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:46, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== S. R. Cronin not on ISFDB ==<br />
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Locus just announced the passing of this author.<br />
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https://locusmag.com/2023/10/sherrie-cronin-1954-2023/<br />
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As far as I can tell, this author only appears on ISFDB in this record, under a different version of her name:<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43591<br />
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She self-published several fantasy novels in two series w/ Amazon.com Kindle delivery:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/s?k=s.+r.+cronin&i=stripbooks&crid=ZBEVKG7XIXYN&sprefix=s.+r.+cronin%2Cstripbooks%2C126&ref=nb_sb_noss<br />
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Should we index them? [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 13:13, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://archive.org/details/Asimovs_v03n11_1979-11/page/n119/mode/2up?view=theater; I saw that link in a StackExchange discussion where someone couldn't remember the title of this story. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:36, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: We definitely want her self-published books. I plan to add them tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:45, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: All of her books [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370261 have been entered] and an alternate name has been set up. Thanks for finding the obituary! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:04, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for handling this. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 17:39, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mafagafo Revista/Monthly issues inside a yearly folder ==<br />
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I hope this doesn't sounds confusing: I'm slowly adding issues of this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69927 Brazilian magazine], but how do I neatly tuck [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3242052 these] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3242049 two] (and other editions I still need to add manually) issues inside a neat early "folder" like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3185445 this] (i.e.: put them inside a Mafagafo - 2022 "folder")? Thanks in advance! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:46, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There is a Help page, [[Help:How to link a magazine to its wiki page and add it to a magazine series]], that discusses this topic. The top half is actually obsolete now that the ISFDB software builds issue grids automatically; the ISFDB Wiki is no longer used for this purpose. We'll need to remove the section.<br />
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: The bottom half, however, is still mostly accurate. Here are the relevant steps, edited to reflect the current state of the software:<br />
:* The EDITOR records of a magazine must first be merged by year using the steps listed below.<br />
:* Use Advanced Title Search to find the EDITOR records for issues published in a given year. The Title Search screen will list candidates for merging. <br />
:* Select the titles to be merged being careful not to select any titles that should not be merged. '''Only titles with the same editor(s) and year should be merged'''. See {{series|20701|this example}} where the editor credit changed in the middle of 1953.<br />
:* Review the displayed titles, then click Complete Merge. On the next Web page, select the title record with the earliest date. Note that the spelling of the title doesn't matter because it will be modified in the next step. The Moderator will review and approve the submission.<br />
:* Bring up the merged title record for editing. For example, "Strange Stories, April 1939" should be changed to "Strange Stories - 1939" and "Strange Stories" entered in the Series field. A moderator will review and approve the submission.<br />
:* Putting EDITOR records in the same series will result in "(View All Issues)" and "(View Issue Grid)" links appearing on all Web pages displaying individual issues.<br />
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: Please note the bolded statement above, i.e. "Only titles with the same editor(s) should be merged". In the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69927 ''Mafagafo''], the two 2022 issues that we currently have on file have different editors, so they shouldn't be merged. HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hm! This answers my question but raises another: Mafagafo always had the same editor-in-chief, which is Jana Bianchi (the one listed in the yearly merged links from 2018 and 2019). I think this is a lost-in-translation kind of situation, because the I've been crediting the other editions (from issue 2020 onwards) as "edited by [new person]", the "editor" in this case being the person who did the developmental edits/copyedits (the word "editor" means the both things in Portuguese), but Jana Bianchi was still the editor-in-chief. Considering how Strange Horizons is credited here (with the credited editor being only the editor-in-chief and not the fiction/developmental editors), should I go back and change all the issues to credit Jana Bianchi? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 23:11, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Generally, we only enter the name(s) of the Editor-in-Chief in the Author/Editor field. For example, consider the Wiki page [[Series:Air Wonder Stories]], which says (under "Staff"):<br />
:::* Hugo Gernsback, editor-in-chief.<br />
:::* David Lasser, Literary editor, July 1929-February 1930, Managing editor, March-Mary 1930. Despite his title Lasser was in effect managing editor for all issues.<br />
:::* M. E. Dame, Associate editor, April-May 1930.<br />
:::* A. L. Fierst, Associate editor, February-May 1930.<br />
:::* C. P. Mason, Associate editor, February-May 1930.<br />
::: When you check the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19341 corresponding "Series" page] in the database, you'll note that only Gernsback is credited.<br />
::: In this case I would enter "{{A|Jana Bianchi}}" in the Author/Editor field and document "guest editors", "fiction editors", "developmental editors", etc in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Ok, thanks! I'm gonna go back to those and credit Jana as the main editor, then. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 20:11, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved and ready for two "Title Merge" submissions, one for 2012 and the other one for 2022. You can either use Advanced Title Search or pull up {{A|Jana Bianchi}}'s Summary page, then click "Show All Titles" under "Editing Tools" and select titles to merge from the displayed list. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:44, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 'Star Wars Universe' vs 'Star Wars Universe/Star Wars' series ==<br />
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Can anyone explain the rationale for choosing which series to place 'independent' novels into? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:39, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== How to find magazine issue when story title is known ==<br />
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I am looking for the issue of the Analog or Fantasy & Science Fiction magazine containing a story titled "Gotlos".<br />
Thanks <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dulinje|Dulinje]] ([[User talk:Dulinje|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dulinje|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:Colin Kapp's {{T|51513|Gottlos}} appeared in {{P|57184|Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, November 1969}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:04, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:And for future reference, you can find what JLaTondre found by searching for the author listing (in this case, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1169 here]) using the search box at the top left side of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi main site] and find the story in their list of works. Clicking on the story title will take you to the {{T|51513|entry}} JLaTondre provided, where you'll be able to see where that story's been published. You can also search for the story title using that same search box. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:16, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::However, you need to know the correct spelling for ISFDB search to work. To find this story, I searched "Gotlos Analog or Fantasy & Science Fiction magazine" in Google and the first hit lead me to "Gottlos" and that it was in "Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, November 1969". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:15, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Synopsis can't be edited ==<br />
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I can't find the information on why a synopsis can't always be edited. Example: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3086815 [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 16:57, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'd say it is because the title is for a Chapbook which is a special type of container. Instead, edit the Shortfiction title of the same name that is included in the Chapbook. For your example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3086816 here]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 20:07, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right: we wouldn't want to add a synopsis to a CHAPBOOK: the enclosed piece of shortfiction may also be published in a COLLECTION or an ANTHOLOGY, and so it's more meaningful to add this information to the fiction title (and it's in the fiction where the plot unfolds). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Okaaay. Is it by design, that it's not obvious, that the text exists in 2 versions? With different nomination data? [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 03:19, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Chapbooks are a special case. The chapbook record is for the publication, not the text within the publication. The short fiction record is for the actual contents. Think of a chapbook as a single story collection if that helps. The award nomination should have been on the novella record and not on the chapbook record. I have fixed that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: And we do need a special container title type, even for a single piece of shortfiction: though that is the criterion that makes out a CHAPBOOK, there can be other title types that are published along the shortfiction, essays, for example, or pieces of interior art. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:58, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for all answers! [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 13:29, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::(This just to clarify content. [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 22:48, 1 December 2023 (EST))<br />
:Oh. One more question. It's possible to attach different tags to a chapbook and the story in it? There's a reason for handling tags this way and synopsis another way? [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 14:56, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Same story, different synopsis ==<br />
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This story has its own synopsis, so does the "original". The reason for this? https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?64178 [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 14:59, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786537 Edit History], I see that you added a synopsis to the Variant Title on 2023-10-09. I will ping [[User:Rtrace]], who approved the submission on 2023-10-17. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:30, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::When I review an edit adding a synopsis, I generally approve those without much investigation. Unless one is familiar with the title, there's no way to verify that the synopsis is correct, so this is a type of edit where I tend to trust that the submitter knows what they're doing. That being said, I don't recall that I've ever drilled down into the existing title record to see if it is a variant. If having synopses on both parent and variant title is a concern I can try to do so, but we may want to add a warning that the title being edited is a variant with a link to the parent title. The converse relationship (i.e. when editing the parent) is clear when reviewing the edit, but there's nothing on the review screen showing the parent title. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:41, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Checking our archives, I see the following [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 announcement]:<br />
:::* "Make Variant" has been updated to move "synopsis" data from the child title to the parent title. [This was {{FR|743}}, "Make This a Variant Title should move synopsis".]<br />
:::* Which reminds me. Are there scenarios where a VT with a synopsis makes sense? We have 1,636 of them, but I suspect that the vast majority are titles whose synopses were not moved to the parent record when they were varianted. I guess I should create a cleanup report for "VTs with synopsis data" and then we'll see if any are legitimate. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:41, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::** The cleanup report has been coded and deployed [this was {{FR|1501}}, "Create a cleanup report to find VTs with synopsis data."] The data will become available tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:57, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: As of this morning, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 the cleanup report had 1546 VTs with synopsis data]. If we can get a cleanup effort going, it should be possible to get all of them moved to the parent titles within a few days/weeks. If we don't come across any scenarios requiring that VTs have synopses, I could then change the software to make the Synopsis field not editable for VTs. It would be similar to the way CHAPBOOKs work. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:21, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have cleaned up a bunch and the report is now down to 1,500 titles. It is as I suspected: most just needed the synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles; some needed two synopsis entries reconciled; a few were in error, e.g. Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa or non-English synopses which are explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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:::: I plan to post my findings on the Community Portal tomorrow morning. I will also propose a software change to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:04, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: I spotted a couple of titles on the cleanup report with which I am familiar so have submitted edits to clean them up: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823387 The Engineer ReConditioned] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823388 The Long Afternoon of Earth]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:50, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:13, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== OLiver Whimsey ==<br />
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● I don't know if this subject has ever come up, but I would like to add a few coloring books, like [https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Beauty-Horror-Coloring-Adults/dp/B0CK3VFXFB/ref=sr_1_13?crid=1PMUI19A1YSMT&keywords=Oliver+Whimsy&qid=1701223836&s=books&sprefix=oliver+whimsy%2Cstripbooks%2C308&sr=1-13 Dark Beauty Horror Coloring Book for Adults] by Oliver Whimsey. I would think these books could qualify as art books. "He" has a number of fantasy oriented coloring/art books. Still, there might be rule against these, I'm good either way. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:21, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, coloring books do contain art and we have a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=coloring+book&type=All+Titles number of them on file]. However, the ones that are currently in the database are generally covered by the following Rule of Acquisition:<br />
:* ''Included'': Published non-fiction works about speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to published (as defined above) speculative fiction.<br />
: Examples include "Terry Pratchett's Discworld Coloring Book" and "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz Coloring Book".<br />
: Can Oliver Whimsey's ''Dark Beauty Horror Coloring Book for Adults'' be plausibly linked to published (as defined above) speculative fiction? Or it is standalone horror art? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:43, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::They seem to be stand-alones. Nice art, but again, I'll go with the majority here. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:02, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crown of Starlight ==<br />
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Recently watched a YouTube video about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3260929 this fantasy] and I have added it to this website. But, I'm not sure if I did it correctly. Could somebody in the know check out my listing and let me know if it was done correctly. The YouTube video on this book and it's author is attached to my listing. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:29, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== TOXIN - By Robin Cook ==<br />
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In the book jacket it says, “Determined to be a good father to his only son, newly divorced surgeon Dr. Kim Regis takes Selden to his favorite fast food restaurant…” In the book itself, the child is a girl (daughter) named Becky. Also, the doctor’s name is spelled REGGIS- not REGIS. In the book jacket it says “…the boy dies within hours…” whereas in the text the (girl) dies in 5 days.<br />
How does this type of error happen? I’m sure thousands of copies of this book were printed. I’m just curious.<br />
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Please reply to ronlibutti@gmail.com<br />
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Thank you. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:RONLIBUTTI|RONLIBUTTI]] ([[User talk:RONLIBUTTI|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RONLIBUTTI|contribs]]) .</small> 22:53, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:We apologize for any confusion. We are not the author or the publisher, so we don't have an answer for your question. If we were to venture a guess, it's likely the story was modified slightly between the time the back cover copy was written and the book contents were finalized, and no one noticed the discrepancies. It happens here and there in the publishing world. You're welcome to contact the publisher or the author through their respective websites if you wish. This would allow them to correct it for future printings. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:11, 8 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Excerpted only in translation ==<br />
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I believe that the convention for entering an excerpt is that it takes the date of excerpt publication and stands alone, not being made a variant of the work excerpted from. That's the way I've been doing them. However, I've just come up against this question: what about a translated excerpt when only the excerpt has been translated, not the entire original? Looking for the first foreign titles listed with "(excerpt)" I find [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2870369 Джанга с тенями (excerpt)], which is dated the same as the English translation, and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2611693 Мы (excerpt)], which is dated 8888-00-00, or unpublished. The latter makes a lot more sense to me. I would even add a note confirming that the full original work was not translated. Possibly someone can direct me to a Rules page that clarifies this; otherwise, is there a consensus? -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:21, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I don't know if there's a consensus, but I do think that from the rules your assumption is more meaningful: we have the rule that titles have to bear the date of their first publication, and thus a title where we know (or can safely assume) that it was not published should be marked as such ('8888-00-00'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:39, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I think I'll go ahead that way on the relevant entries in an anthology I listed a few days ago, so the story and essay excerpts in Italian show at least some sort of source. Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 09:43, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== LInda Barrett ==<br />
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Well, I've done it again. Somehow I messed up the serial that can be found [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?270222 here], and I don't how to fix it. Can I get any help? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:15, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It looks like you made part 1 a variant of part 2. Instead, both should have been made a variant of a new title. You should be able to fix this by making part 2 a variant of a new title (use Option 2 of the Make Variant Title screen). Since the software doesn't allow variants of variants, it will automatically move part 1 to be a variant of the new title also. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Carnegie Medal ==<br />
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sorry if this is the wrong place for this question.<br />
The carnegies have only had a list of nominees since 2003, prior to that in many years they had two other awards as well as the winner namely "Commended" and "Highly Commended". Is It possible to have these categories added to the list of options? if not then how should they be categorised? nominee with a note to say what they actually are?<br />
cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 15:22, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Let me first clarify that "award categories" are for different types of awards given by the same award committee/body. For example, consider the list of categories for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?26 the International Horror Guild Award]: Best Novel, Best First Novel, Best Short Story, Best Non-Fiction, Best Artist, Best Periodical, Best TV, etc.<br />
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: On the other hand, what you are describing is non-standard "award levels", which are different animals. At this time, we do not have support for them. You could enter their Award Levels either:<br />
:* as "Nomination", or<br />
:* as "Special" followed by selecting "Honorable Mentions" from the drop-down list<br />
: Either way, please explain the details in the Notes field. Award Notes appear in hover-over "informational" bubbles displayed on Award pages, e.g. if you display the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?618+1 main page for the Carnegie Medal category], you will notice a little "i" next to the word "Win" for 1947. If you hover your cursor over it, it will display the associated award record's Note, in this case "First collection to win the award, and first time previously published works were considered." Hope this helps! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:29, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate it was award levels i meant. Just done one using honourable mentions and note with the note saying: Received the designation "Commended". I'll stick with that if youre happy. {{unsigned|Faustus}}<br />
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::: Thanks, I have approved the submission -- [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?79774 here is the result]. I also updated the Note field to indicate where the data came from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 07:59, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: Got it- i'll follow that format for the others. cheers - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 08:40, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== 1 Novel + 1 Short fiction = Omnibus/Collection/Novel? ==<br />
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If a book consists of a novel and a shorter work both of which have previously been published seperately then what type is it?<br />
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This one is an {{P|544825|OMNIBUS}}<br />
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This one is a {{P|360668|COLLECTION}}<br />
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This one's a {{P|51365|NOVEL}}<br />
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The Benford novelette is set in the same universe as the novel - does that have any bearing on Pub Type?<br />
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from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:24, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:It can be classified as a NOVEL or a COLLECTION. From the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type Publication Type] help section<br />
:: "NOVEL. Used when the book is devoted to a single work of fiction. The addition of multiple short stories makes the book a collection, not a novel (A single story is a judgment call, see below). However, sample chapters placed at the end of a book for advertising reasons do not make a novel into a collection. If a book is packaged as a single volume work, and then republished as a multi-volume work, all the publications are novels; there is no need to classify the single volume work as an omnibus. Conversely, if a book is originally published as multiple volumes, and republished as a single volume, the latter is a novel unless the presentation within the single volume makes it clear that the works are presented as separate novels. Sometimes a novel is bound with a single short work of fiction by the same author (an example is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMSNCHNTD2000 this edition of The Misenchanted Sword]). In such a case it is often preferred to class the publication as a novel with a "Bonus story" rather than a 2-item collection or omnibus. This is particularly true if the publication has the same title as the novel. It is a judgment call, however." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::Thanks, i'd read the collection and omnibus bits of that help page but somehow didnt look at NOVEL. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:23, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== My typo in a canonical name ==<br />
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I mistyped Linda Burroughs as LInda Burroughs and now that it's been entered as a canonical name I can't correct it. I tried doing so on the title page for her one essay so far, but the software matched Linda with LInda and that edit went through without the change. Could a moderator fix that typo on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?374390 Author Record] page? Thanks. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:52, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:As requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:25, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thank you, John.--Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 17:19, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A question about variants with pseudonyms ==<br />
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I'm generally fine with creating variants but need some clarification for this situation. The publication is written under a pseudonym. The title page shows the author as another pseudonym "writing as". Fine so far but the existing canonical author record has the author's canonical name plus an additional author. Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22551 Satellite B.C.] which has the canonical authors as John S. Glasby and Arthur Roberts. I added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?992906 ebook edition] whose title page shows "John Glasby writing as Rand Le Page" using the Rand Le Page pseudonym. I feel like there should be a variant created but am not sure if that's true. What should I do? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:07, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:The author field help attempts to cover this:<br />
::Alternate Names. ''If you know that a particular author's name is an alternate name, enter that alternate name rather than changing it to the canonical name. If the title page shows both an original and a subsequent name, use the original name. For example, Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books were originally published under the pseudonym of Paul French, but later reprints were given both names: '''"by Isaac Asimov, writing as Paul French". In these cases you should still enter Paul French as the author and record the dual credit in the notes.''' If the cover shows both names but the title page shows only one name, use the name from the title page -- no matter which it is -- and record the discrepancy with the cover credit in the notes. When a book is known to be ghost-written, this should be treated as an alternate name; the ghost-writer will eventually show up as having an alternate name of the well-known author, but that data is not entered via this field.'' (my emphasis)<br />
:The credit should be to Rand Le Page. The variant would go to the canonical name, which is John S. Glasby. The software does not permit a variant of a variant, so there would be no intermediate record with the John Glasby credit. If we believe the work is by both Glasby and Roberts, then the variant would go to a record using two author credits for John S. Glasby and Arthur Roberts -- always to the canonical. Unless it were ever published as credited solely to "John Glasby", there will be no variant with that credit. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:56, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks. That's how I did it but somehow didn't see the guidance in the Help to reassure me that I had done it correctly. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:53, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Restoring cancelled submission==<br />
Is there any way to easily restore/resubmit a submission I accidentally cancelled (other than reenter everything)? 5883840 if it can be done. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:27, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: A moderator can unreject. Which I had done. It is back to being active and in the queue. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:53, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::10000 thank yous. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:47, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
== interviews jump to continuation page==<br />
When entering an interview with multiple authors interviewed in a publication, when the article starts on say page 1 and the first author is interviewed there, and the continuation of the article jumps to say page 10 and interviews more authors, is it better to just add additional authors to the interview listing with the first page <br />
number, or to add them as another interview with the second page number and the same title? I can't decide which is more logical. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:12, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Adding alternate name ==<br />
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Colombian author Rodrigo Bastidas Pérez [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?329980] [https://latinamericanliteraturetoday.org/lal_author/rodrigo-bastidas-perez/] also appears to use the nameRodrigo Bastidas [https://co.linkedin.com/in/rodrigo-bastidas-9aab39191] [https://latinamericanliteraturetoday.org/lal_author/rodrigo-bastidas-perez/] so if anybody could add it, please? Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:30, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:The ISFDB is a publication driven database. An author record will be created the first time "Rodrigo Bastidas" is credited to a title. After creation, go to the newly created author record. Select 'Make/Remove Alternate Name' from the Editing Tools menu. Put 'Rodrigo Bastidas Pérez' in the Parent name field or 329980 in the Parent Record # field. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:42, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:56, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Adding web-published short fiction? ==<br />
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General question: https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub seems to list everything ''except'' a new piece of short fiction (New Anthology, New Chapbook, New Collection, New Fanzine, New Magazine, New Nonfiction, New Novel, and New Omnibus). How does one add one? <br />
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More specifically, how would one add Andy Weir’s latest short story, “The Martian: Lost Sols” (https://galactanet.com/lostsols.pdf)?<br />
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(A more complicated issue might be whether to count it as either part of a new ''The Martian'' series, or as just a missing part of the novel.)<br />
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— [[User:FlaSheridn|FlaSheridn]] ([[User talk:FlaSheridn|talk]]) 19:42, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:A publication of a single work of short fiction is handled in the ISFDB as a CHAPBOOK, which you should think of as a one-story COLLECTION. So you use Add New Chapbook. We would consider a PDF an "ebook". It will seem redundant, but within that new record, you would add one entry in the "Regular Titles" (content) section for the short story. See some details in the CHAPBOOK sub-bullet of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type]]. It is normal for both the CHAPBOOK and the SHORTFICTION records to have the same title text, but that is not required. If the story belongs in the series, add the series to the SHORTFICTION record (which will only be available after the initial submission is accepted), not to the CHAPBOOK. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 21:31, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Financial contributions ==<br />
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Is there a way to make a monthly financial contribution to your site? {{Unsigned2|16:35, February 21, 2024| Jeradcentipedepress.com}}<br />
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: Not at the moment, but let me check with Al von Ruff who currently handles server issues. Thanks for the thought! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Not at the moment. but the site isn't particularly expensive to operate. I'll be looking into creating a 501c later this year, mostly to ensure the longevity of the site, but that would also allow for official financial contributions. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 16:43, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== (in error) credit to cover artist / Beloved Exile ==<br />
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What steps should I take to fix up the cover artist for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?643609 Beloved Exile]?<br />
My 2nd printing has a copyright page credit and signature on the artwork crediting 'Heide Oberheide'. <br />
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It seems I should edit the 'Author 1' name in the record, but am unsure how to create the 'Tom Canty (in error)' record linkage. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:13, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:It's unfortunately complicated. What you'd need to do is separate the publications so that the AvoNova pub has a COVERART record of its own that is not shared with the two Bantam pubs. Then make the AvoNova's credit be "Tom Canty (in error)" instead of "Tom Canty", and make the title the two Bantam pubs share be credited to "Heide Oberheide" instead of "Tom Canty". Then both the fixed "Heide Oberheide" one and the "Tom Canty (in error)" one would need to be made variants of one credited to "Heidi Oberheide" (her canonical name), "Tom Canty (in error)" would need to be made an alternate name for Heidi Oberheide, and the lingering old parent title credited to Thomas Canty would need to be deleted. It would take quite a few submissions and a few wait-for-approval pauses. I'd be happy to do this for you, if you want, or you're welcome to try it yourself. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:38, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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Please do. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:16, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:The two Bantam editions have different credits (one "Heidi", the other "Heide") and also needed to be separated. Final result is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3292598 here]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:19, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3292602 Хищник]==<br />
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I need some help from anybody who knows Russian. I just listed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3292602 Хищник]. I did the best I could, but I <b>know</b> I must of gotten something wrong. I had to spell out the authors' names from by "Symbol" program on my word program and I'm sure I did something wrong. Could somebody check this out and let me know what I did wrong? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:09, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: All fixed :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you very much. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 14:57, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::: Anytime - the two author names needed fixing - Morris looked ok but the k in his first name was in Latin; Golden's first name contained characters that looked like the actual letters if you squint :) I also added more details (including the translator)from Fantlab and other Russian sources, got the publisher sorted out and got a month of publication (Goodreads can be really bad for this on Russian books). Thanks for adding it. Feel free to drop me a note when you get one of these - either after you add it as you did now or just with a link to the Goodreads book and I will be happy to fix/add it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:06, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::@MLB, when I am not on my tablet or phone with convenient virtual keyboards and am stuck on my computer's US-standard QWERTY keyboard, I often find it easier to Google for names/titles with diacriticals or in non-Latin alphabets and copy + paste. WAY faster than trying to enter one symbol at a time.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:22, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Baen vs Baen Books publishers redux ==<br />
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I'm reopening the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Baen_vs_Baen_Books_publishers Baen vs Baen Books publishers] discussion as I currently have some edits on pause [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Baen_Science_Fantasy_Books] that attempted to add the "Baen Science Fantasy Books". <br />
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The last time this was discussed, it kind of fizzled out, and so when PVing my Baen books I ended up just following the existing patterns for which Baen publisher variant to use. (I've currently have PVed 1077 Baen publications). The addition of the little used variant would follow existing patterns, but much lower usage.<br />
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Is this the time to get this straightened out? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:14, 18 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Conceptual clarification for alternate names and “as by”? ==<br />
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I’m seeing some works that have a non-canonical name for their byline but that aren’t showing up on the page for the canonical name. I think I now understand that to make them show up on the page for the canonical name, I need to follow the instructions under [[Help:How_to_record_a_variant_title]], but I feel like it might be useful to add a conceptual clarification in the introduction to that page, saying something like “There are various reasons to create a variant title record; for example, to get a work that was published under a non-canonical name to appear under the author’s canonical name, you need to create a variant title record that gives the author’s canonical name.”<br />
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I’m saying this because I recently linked a non-canonical name to a canonical name, and I expected that ISFDB would automatically create an “as by” line on the canonical-name page. When that didn’t happen, I went and searched in the wiki to try to find out more; I eventually found that how-to page, and that page gives useful instructions on what to do, and after reading a few different bits of it a few times I think I understand what to do. But I feel like that page could use a high-level conceptual description of what you’re doing, because the phrase “record a variant title” didn’t initially sound like what I wanted to do.<br />
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The wiki page for [[Help:How to enter works published under an alternate name]] also seems relevant, and I feel like that one could also use a similar high-level conceptual description. In particular, that page says to clone the existing page, but it doesn’t say what to change in the cloned version; I think it should say to change the name in the cloned version to the canonical name. --[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 16:22, 18 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:When you say ''... I recently linked a non-canonical name to a canonical name, ...'' what was the situation you were trying to deal with, and what did you do at first? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:47, 18 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:15, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ''Gemini Man'' novelization credit ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome. I accepted your submission adding a note about authorship to {{P|731020|Gemini Man}}, but for any facts not taken directly from the book, we need to document a source. I did find the British Library catalogue credits this to Cadigan, so I adjusted the note to reflect that (and I adjusted the record to reflect the actual "Titan Books" credit). What is your source for that change? It would be very nice to have something where Cadigan or Titan makes a statement claiming/implying authorship.... Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:46, 17 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== SV removal ==<br />
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In the USD edition of {{P|290822|Dilvish, the Damned}} Reginald3 is correctly SV'd and numbered. In the {{P|10142|Canadian printing}} it has also been SV'd - wrongly. Could someone remove that and mark it N/A. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:42, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== adding a publication ==<br />
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Can a publication listing be added before the item is offered for sale? (i.e., I have obtained an ARC with all relevant info, but the book is not scheduled for publication for a couple more weeks) {{unsigned|Fabius}}<br />
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: The short answer is "yes". To quote [[Help:Screen:NewPub]]:<br />
:* '''Future Publication Dates''' - ISFDB captures records for some publications that have been announced for release in the future.<br />
:** New publications announced for the near future (within the next 90 days) should be given that future publication date.<br />
:** Do not create records for newly announced publications scheduled for release more than 90 days into the future, as these plans often change.<br />
: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: One small note to add - if you are working from an ARC, mention it in the notes (when we work from pre-release records, we note the date for example making it obvious that we are adding pre-publication). Things change between ARCs and the actual book occasionally so that will minimize the risk of us ending with two separate records downstream. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Second set of eyes please. ==<br />
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I've submitted a publication [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5709664 deletion]] that I'd rather not self-approve as it involves someone else's entry and PV. Thank you in advance. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:23, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: After reviewing the data I agree that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?483390 record 483390] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556122 record 556122] apparently describe the same pub. I see that one of them has been verified by you and the other one by [[User:Don Erikson]], who has been inactive for the last 3+ years.<br />
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: One way to handle this situation would be for you to delete "your" pub record, then to primary-verify Don's pub, thus keeping both primary verifications. Would that work for you? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:58, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: An obvious approach. I reloaded the cover image as well. Will deleting a publication automatically get rid of the associated image? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:46, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The only effect deleting the publication has on the wiki page is breaking the link back to the publication. I went ahead and deleted it, mod only function, since you reloaded the image and created a new wiki page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:23, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mouser Goes Below ==<br />
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Hello. After a long while, I have released this edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5374496] for other moderators to have a look. While Willem agrees it's a Novel rather than a Novella, I am not entirely comfortable with affecting the change. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Examining the text in my ebook collection, I see that the submitter is correct: it contains over 64.5K words. I would make it a NOVEL and leave a canned message on the primary verifiers' Talk pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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PS. Real-life hasn't been nice to me the last couple of months, hence my absence from the site. Not sure when/if I will be back... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry to hear about the real life issues! Hopefully things will improve sooner rather than later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I've approved the change to NOVEL and fixed all the translations to be NOVEL types as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:37, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hollowing ==<br />
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Hello Mods. I have a question regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289319 this] publication. I made a note that the book has an appendix, which is an in-universe folk tale of Ryhope Wood by Goerg Huxley - i.e. it's fictional. The tale has a title and a note before it making it appear as if it is an out of universe (i.e. a 'real world') tale. Should I add this as content ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 02:07, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think your treatment is fine, unless we discover the same story ended up published elsewhere. You might adjust the note to call out that it's a fictional appendix, and its credited author, "George Huxley" is an in-universe character. If you did want to make a content entry for it, I think you'd need to title it something like: "<whatever> by George Huxley" and make the author credit be Robert Holdstock. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'll leave it as is and amend the note per your suggestion. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:16, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who to credit ? ==<br />
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Hello Mods. The can of worms of cover design vs cover photo opens again with the two Gollancz editions of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102350 Trillion Year Spree]. I made a note for my trade paperback copy that it states "Jacket design by Don Macpherson (over) Jacket photograph by Peter Letts" on backcover. The hardback credits Macpherson wheres the trade paperback credits Letts. So which one of those two get's the cover art credit ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Macpherson does not get a credit under any circumstances - designers never do. If the hardback only credits "cover: Macpherson", then I'd been inclined to add a "Macpherson (in error)" credit and pseudonym to Letts thus allowing a variant cover and credits as per the books. As long as Letts photographs are on the cover and not the author photo of course. Alternatively, no credit for anyone and just notes (photographs are a bit of a gray area sometimes as Cover Artists but if you decide to credit -- it should be Letts). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:46, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks Annie. Maybe you could tell Makwood that as I tried to ask him what his hardback copy said (ghaving quoted him what mine said). See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Trillion_Year_Spree here] where he states "So, you're saying the jacket front is a photograph, and not a graphic design? Doesn't appear that way to me". Gonna change the credit. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:46, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brainchild ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5716829; I added 2 ID and a note about page count but it insists that I did something with the title which I didn't. Why is that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the raw database data, I see that the main ANTHOLOGY title has a page number, "|1", associated with it. It wasn't displayed when you edited the publication record because the "Page" field is grayed out and not editable for ANTHOLOGY (and other "container") titles. My first guess was that at one point this publication was a NOVEL or another non-container and the non-container title had "|1" assigned to it. Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?297598 Edit History], I see that this pub did have its title type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3992773 changed to ANTHOLOGY on 2018-10-14], which suggests that my guess was correct.<br />
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: Once your submission is approved, the "|1" page number will disappear. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:54, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change required for variant name: Ren Qing -> Channing Ren ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366142 任青] is listed on the Hugo finalist list with the western name "Ren Qing". When I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959764 the tp pub that has their story], I noted that various sources reported them as Channing Ren.<br />
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I've now bought [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960977 the ebook pub], and - Sod's Law - it turns out that Channing Ren is how they are listed in the actual antho, see [https://twitter.com/ErsatzCulture/status/1679946416830001154/photo/1 here].<br />
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Could someone update [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366143 the Ren Qing author record] accordingly please? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:37, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Also, as an FYI, changing the author name in the English Title record from "Ren Qing" to "Channing Ren" would have deleted the "Ren Qing" author record and created a new author record for "Channing Ren". The new author record would then need to be turned into an alternate name of "任青", but it could be done by a self-approver. Not a big deal, just something to keep in mind in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:31, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks; I did wonder if something like that was doable, but I thought better to just punt it here.<br />
:: There's another one coming down the line, which I've put off, because I spent a day trying to get my head round it, and trying to write it up to confirm (a) a consensus for that course of action, and (b) how exactly to tackle it, isn't something I'm relishing. I don't think many westerners have realized there are 2 different Hugo finalists called [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?344566 杨枫] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366182 杨枫(I)], and IMHO we probably have the disambiguations the wrong way round, as the former should probably be an alternate name for 天爵, who isn't in the database yet. Something to look forward too... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:32, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolfe - Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus - novel and novella dating ==<br />
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Whilst editing two of my own English language pubs of this title I noticed some dating which someone, hopefully, can clarify for me.<br />
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There are two novella titles by different translators {{T|1582693|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} and {{T|1699730|1982-05-00 by Eva Malsch}}.<br />
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The novel {{T|1347139|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} dating looks ok as does the Eva Malsch translation but I don't see a 1974-11-00 Yoma Cap novella publication - only the {{P|414367|1984-04-00}} one as the first instance.<br />
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The note in the {{T|1957|1972-04-00}} novel title page refers to the German translations but doesn't help me.<br />
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So, do we treat the novel and the novella as having the same first instance date? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sequence of events as I understand it is as follows:<br />
:* The novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41405 "The Fifth Head of Cerberus"] was published in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25103 ''Orbit 10''] on 1972-02-16.<br />
:* The novella version became Part 1 of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1957 novel version which used the same title], ''The Fifth Head of Cerberus'', and was first published on 1972-04-00.<br />
:* Both the novella version and the novel version were subsequently reprinted by various US/UK publishers.<br />
:* The second part of the novel version was later reprinted as a separate novelette [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''] in a 1994-07-00 anthology. We have it dated "1994-07-00".<br />
:* Yoma Cap's first German translation of the novel version was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347139 ''Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus''] in 1974-11-00.<br />
:* The first part of Yoma Cap's German translation (which corresponds to the novella version of "The Fifth Head of Cerberus") was [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 reprinted in 1984 and then again in 2002]. The title date of this title is currently set to "1974-11-00" and matches the date of the first publication of the German ''novel''.<br />
:* The third (and final) part of the ''English'' novel hasn't been reprinted as a separate novella. However, the third part of Yoma Cap's ''German'' translation was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T.", a separate novella] on 1983-04-00. The title date of this title is currently set to "1983-04-00".<br />
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: The problem then is that we have an inconsistency. The separate English appearance of the second part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''], is currently dated "1994-07-00" and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. Similarly, the separate German appearance of the third part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T."], is dated 1983-04-00 and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. However, the separate German appearance of the novella version (which is the same as the first part of the novel), is dated "1974-11-00", when the novel translation appeared, as opposed to "1984-04-00", which is when the separate German version appeared.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would suggest changing the title date of the novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 "Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus"] from 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:17, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for taking such a careful look at this and your elegant answer. It resolves my uncertainty about novella/novel treatment and confirms where I thought the problem lay - your 6th bullet point homes in on that. I've submitted the change 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00 as you've suggested :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The submission has been approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:44, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mod Bob ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Moderator-availability; Bob should be removed from the list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:58, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:04, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Spencer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131734; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elizabeth-Spencer/e/B01MFH59N3; Last 2 stories are by a young lady with the same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like Stonecreek has already changed their author from "Elizabeth Spencer" to "Elizabeth Spencer (I)". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, except he added her image to webpage field by mistake, so I've just moved it to the right field, pending approval. Also, the older Spencer has a photo under "Movies, TV and Bio" on Amazon but as usual with "S" URL photos like those ISFDB won't accept them with or without the trailing stuff before .jpg, giving an unsupported message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Your submission is approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:08, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete x2 ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the older images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGM2014.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGB2014.jpg here]. Uploaded by mistake. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted as requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:36, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1968198; I added link to Hodder and created a new record for Crowell, it's W. J. Dawson in both, author name neeeds changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawsey ? Hayes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001; I am not entering all of that info again just for a minor publisher name change so if someone knows how to preserve the one sentence in the publisher record then my edit can be un-rejected. Seems to me it would have made more sense to accept the edit and then cut-and-paste the sentence into the publisher record afterwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I first went to the publisher record and changed the name there. Then that portion of your submission effectively became a no-up (changing the existing name to the same thing, so no publisher deletion), so I was able to un-reject it and approve it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Johnsgard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5718012; I made another edit adding all info except name change, cover artists entered with alternate name for the man so after it's accepted that can be used as the parent, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Change made and submissions approved. Submit an edit to import the cover art credit into the tp and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SJS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=solomon+j&type=Name; 1 credit each for the last 2 guys, your decision which is parent and which is variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:23, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?360672 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:28, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Islands in the Sky cover art ==<br />
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Entry for cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?652621 this] publication shows two different images, although the spacestation is the same the approaching rocket has been replaced by a boy on the 1984 edition - both images are by Peter Andrew Jones. Should the later edition's image not be seperated out and varianted ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:40, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We variant for author, title, language and title type (artwork & serials only). We do not variant for a difference in the artwork. It's the same and we merge or it isn't. The same meaning "all or part of one appears in the other". [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:47, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Alrighty. I only queried since there is a substantial difference between the one signed 'PAJ 80 Solar Wind' and the one signed 'PAJ 81' --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If you think they are different enough, you can unmerge them and add notes on the reasons for it. I think they fall under our "is contained in" or "is part of" rule so they are ok as they are but the rules in that area can be interpreted differently. As John mentioned, they cannot be variants though so the choice is between what we have now and 2 separate unconnected entries. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. I made a note in regards to the difference on the publication, plus the difference is obvious when viewing the cover art entry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Matheson's Musings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Zapp#Musings; Do mods agree that it should be changed to an essay? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:26, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author name change needed ==<br />
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The spelling for author LJ Cohen is currently "L. J. Cohen" [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?203069 sic]. Would a moderator please change it to her preferred spelling of "LJ Cohen"? That is the spelling she uses on her [https://www.ljcohen.net/ website] and which appears on the titles currently recorded in ISFDB. I think the current spelling is a holdover from old spelling rules. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The rules are still valid especially because these are initials (so not really old spelling rules) - but they also allow for author's preference to take precedence. I've changed it and added a note on the page so someone does not "fix" it. As you are the only PV of any of her book I saw, consider this also a notification for the changed in your PVd book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:54, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== (Slightly) clashing pending edits for author Juleen Brantingham ==<br />
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I just submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5730414 5730414], but I get a yellow warning for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730402 5730402] which makes a similar change. My edit is a superset of the latter - adds a more details place of birth, obit link and expanded note - so could someone reject 5730402, or at least apply it before my edit 5730414 gets applied, so nothing gets lost? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Approved them in the correct sequence. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:17, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Horus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722514; Can someone change the publisher to Horus Publishing? After that's done will that lead to unrejecting my edit? Because I've done hundreds since then and it's kind of hard to remember what I did for a single edit days or weeks ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: All good now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:27, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Architecture of Desire ==<br />
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Entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518517 this] cover art has combined three entirely different pieces of art by Chris Brown. Note that [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0e/BKTG04149.jpg this] is not the same as [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/e5/BKTG04151.jpg this] - there are substanial diferences between the two pieces. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:53, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are definitely different. I've separated them into the three pieces. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:44, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:23, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Printing ==<br />
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http://www.cars101.com/firstid.html; I think this would be helpful; I have a pending edit adding a Random House book which starts with 2 in the number line but it's not a 2nd printing, that's how they started their lines for much of their history. Can this be added to Help or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reeves-Stevens - Phase II: The Lost Series ==<br />
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The coverart credit as it stands {{P|32543|here}} is wrong, can we have help from a moderator to sort it out? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:How is it wrong? Have you contacted [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] to see what it states on the copyright page? Is there separate art on the front and back covers? If it's a mashup up two pieces of art, each by one of the two credited artists, the listing is correct. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jem ==<br />
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There seems to be two entries for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117921 this] publication. The note for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322056 this] version also has a 1980 printing and a £1.50 price and points to (presumably) the true 1980 printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?JMRCPBTPGS1980 here]. Can't determine what the difference between the two entries could possibly be. Thoughts ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:36, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accidental cover upload ==<br />
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Hello Mods I inadvertantly uploaded the hardback cover art for a paperback edition (that'll teah me to look first). Title in question is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27997 Return to Eden]. If someone could revert it back to what it was previously that' be great. I have uploaded it to the correct hardback edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Reverted. I also approved your submission adding the image to the Grafton hc. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:24, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg; My cover doesn't show up but neither does the cover someone else uploaded last year. Can someone get my cover to show up? Also, I made an edit adding editor as cover artist so can you approve that, too. You also may want to check to see if the other person uploaded a cover for the American edition (different title) because there's no cover there, either. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== TCASFW Discussion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#TCASFW; When one of you approves my edit you can discuss with this PV what you'd like to do. I think their final message is that one of their volumes has a dash and one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:46, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding image credit , please ==<br />
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Good day,<br />
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I need help.<br />
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I would like to have an INTERIOR ART CREDIT added for Author record # 269730 ; Carl Lavoie.<br />
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It’s in the recent<br />
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Vastarien: A Literary Journal. Vol. 6, Issue 1<br />
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and it’s the frontispiece illustration, ‘The Evil Eye'.<br />
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Here’s a link to a sample of the issue, the illustration is right after the cover page:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/Vastarien-Literary-Journal-vol-issue/dp/B0CBT4B6D1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28D1CYLFVH4XL&keywords=vastarien+literary&qid=1692175645&sprefix=%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-1&asin=B0CBT4B6D1&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1<br />
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And here’s a link to the publisher, listing the content of the recent issue:<br />
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https://grimscribepress.com/issues/<br />
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Thank you. And have a wonderful day.<br />
-Carl Lavoie<br />
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: Thank you for getting interested in our little project. However, it seems as if the issue you refer to hasn't been added yet; the latest one I can find is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?872536 this] from 2021.<br />
: But before you or someone else becomes active and enters it: this seems to be a general literary journal which then wouldn't be eligible per se to ISFDB (which is devoted to speculative fiction); for such a journal only the speculative fiction items, the artwork illustrating them, and essays referring to speculative fiction would be allowed to be included in the entry (see [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions these definitions]. Please think about it, and then think if you'd like to get help to add the publication in question. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:18, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Frederick, Chambers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5746601; I came across Quick Action by Robert W. Chambers and added links (and a Canadian reprint) and then decided to enter links and stuff for other Chambers books illustrated by Frederick. Ran into trouble immediately because Tracer of Lost Persons is as by "R. W. Chambers" so if someone can approve my edit so it can be made a variant and month added to title record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:54, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MRC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2970668; An Archive.org link was recently upped for his 2014 novel so I added a link then I saw that his recent novel didn't have cover art in both editions so I imported it, then I noticed that the cover artist, who is also the author, didn't have a period added after R so it's a separate record. Since R with a period has bio info that means if I add a period it will erase the info, I think, so if one of you can add it without erasing the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I fixed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK) ==<br />
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I'm editing {{P|178073|Asimov's Extraterrestrials}} and on the title page is stated "Dragon [over] Grafton Books [over] A Division of the Collins Publishing Group". We have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27309 Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK)] but my understanding is that we don't record the owners (Collins) of the publishers (Grafton). If that's correct, the four publications (also 1986) listed in that category should be "Dragon / Grafton" (as imprint / publisher). If moderators agree, that's what I propose using in the Publisher field for my edit (and I could also amend the four other publications to the same). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:40, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Not hearing any objections, I'll wait another few days and then implement the above. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:54, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== With/with ==<br />
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I happened to notice that a mod is correcting "With" to "with" in a lot of records. Is there some way to trawl all the records and automatically correct wrongly capitalized words (or vice versa) with a patch or something? Seems like that would be helpful and save a lot of time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multiple Archive.org Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756500; Can a mod approve my edits for Number 87 from the first one linked above and ending with 5756519? I want to know if adding the second Archive.org link which someone added to the title records instead of the Macmillan edition's record will erase the much more recent link, uploaded this year, which I added in my first edit. On a side note, author's collection Thoughts in Prose and Verse also has been linked, no contents, in case anyone cares to read it and enter genre stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Does everything look as you intended? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:32, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, I don't know, I've completely confused myself. I see one title record still has old link that I removed and I missed another Macmillan link, so I've removed it again and added new link. I don't even think my note above was correct because the new link is for the UK edition so it wouldn't erase the US link. Forget it, I can't do this stuff anymore, 2 more links to approve when you get a chance, someone else will have to take a look and make sure links are where they're supposed to be along with everything else, I'm done. I've got to get out of here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== image delete request ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the old (04:13 hrs) image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DRKBNDCTNF2015.jpg here]. (edit) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:ErsatzCulture#Miller_-_Dark_Benediction this discussion]. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:15, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Kev, You wish to delete the cover with 'jr' correct? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:43, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that's the one. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:20, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine-Thirty O'Clock in the Morning ==<br />
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Curious what happened to the usual 5-minute or so delay at 9:30 every morning. It didn't happen today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The daily backups run between 9:30am and 9:35am. The database is unavailable until they finish.<br />
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: On 2023-08-30 the backup process was modified to exclude a large and fast growing database table which didn't need to be backed up in the first place. An error was introduced while making the change, which caused the backups to fail on 2023-08-31. The error was corrected the same day and the backups have been running smoothly ever since. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:29, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deagol ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Deagol; I added my first-ever message to this PV and noticed all messages are in italics or a weird font or something. Probably not important but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's bizarre. I can't see anything on that page that would cause everything to be in italics. I can't find any other page that are like that, either. I'm guessing it's something that went funky on the backend. We'd have to have Al or Ahasuerus look at it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Nevermind, I found it. While it shouldn't have affected the entire page (it should have only affected the part after it), I removed the italics from the page with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADeagol&type=revision&diff=670207&oldid=670204 this edit]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:29, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Here's another page; https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Clarkmci. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pastel City. ==<br />
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Hello mods. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1868818 This] interior art is the same artwork as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2251327 this] title record. I'd also like to rename the interior art record from "The Great Rebellion [1]" to "CA 440 Minifreighter" (as per art caption in Cowley's Great Space Battles). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:38, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If there is a caption (or a title somewhere) in the book, then yes, rename and use that - captions and titles from inside of the books are always used when known instead of the standard [] notation. If the title was coming from a secondary source, we would just add it into the notes but if it is in the book, go ahead and rename. And variant it to the cover :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:30, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You may want to participate at [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F|this Rules and standards discussions]]. As pointed out in that discussion, the current rules do not include using the caption / title (though that has become a common practice) and so far there has not been agreement to change the rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:00, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Will do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:45, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1))<br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy<br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb<br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original)<br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original)<br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb<br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb<br />
page 155 Futureboro (original)<br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction:<br />
The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page <br />
to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books {{unsigned|RogerSSS}}<br />
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== Protocol for working on recently added/changed publications ==<br />
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There has always been potential for moderators unknowingly working on the same set of submissions. Early on we added the ability to put submissions "on hold" in order to mitigate this problem. Later, we added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent_activity_menu.cgi Recent Activity] page and, even more recently, "Edit History", which helps avoid confusion and cross-approvals.<br />
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At the same time, the recent implementation of the "self-approver" system significantly increased the number of editors who can approve submissions. Earlier today we had a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eccentric_Orbits:_An_Anthology_of_Scienc collision] between a moderator working on new submissions and a self-approver who noticed the new publication and tried to improve it while the moderator was still researching it. The result was a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?970089 mishmash of approvals].<br />
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What should be the standard for moderators and self-approvers working on recently approved records which the original approver may still be researching? Since we now have Edit History, should it be something like:<br />
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* Before correcting/adding data to a publication record, check its Edit History. If the record has been created or modified within the last 24 (12? 48? 72?) hours, check with the last approving moderator to see if the record is still being researched.<br />
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? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider it always a good idea to talk to the editors and moderators that had worked on a record that still need work before changing the work of people -- sometimes they have an edit staying in a browser and never submitted, sometimes they just had not had a chance to get back to the record to fix it (or got distracted) and sometimes it is a misunderstanding of the rules on someone's part - the person trying to improve or the editor who started it or simply a disagreement on how things need to be entered where the rules allow editor's discretion. And especially if the submitter is a new(ish) user and there is no note from the handling moderator on their page yet but I think it is common courtesy in all cases. Asking for 24 hours grace period is a good first step I guess. Adding to that the requirement for communication before the edits are done will be even better - and will also help getting our editors closer to being self-sustaining. I did not think that we need to put that in writing but apparently it is not as self-evident as I always assumed it to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Could we add a flag to each record that gets set when a change is submitted, and then removed 25 hours after the submission is approved (and removed if a submission is declined)? Then the system could display a note on the edit page for any record that has that flag set. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, if the goal is to display a warning when an editor tries to edit a publication record that has been modified within the last 24 hours, then it can be done without adding new flags. We already have Edit History; it would be easy to modify the software to check it and display a warning. We'll just need to decide on what the warning should say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Mountain being made out of a molehill. No need to add bureaucracy and development effort for a problem that rarely happens. This is a collaborative project which means people could occasionally work on the same items, but, in practice, it rarely happens in a short period of time. People should not feel possessive about their edits. An equally valid solution would be for moderators to put edits on hold and do their research prior to accepting the submission. That way they can make the corrections immediately after accepting the submission. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Let me just clarify that adding a note along the lines of "This Publication was last edited by X and approved by Y on 2023-09-12 at 12:34pm" to EditPub forms affecting recently edited publications would be quite simple. We already have all of the requisite data in a readily accessible location within the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Apparently the definition of possessive, as used in the above comment, is the approving moderator making the necessary changes and/or communicating with the submitting user immediately after approval. Isn't that exactly our responsibility? If not please enlighten me. I don't believe a software solution is necessary. It would surprise me if anyone else would decide to edit a publication immediately after its initial approval. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Re: "edit[ing] a publication immediately after its initial approval", I have come close to accidentally colliding with other editors/moderators a few times. I am subscribed to Amazon's automatic notifications for certain authors. When they publish new books, Amazon sends me an email. Sometimes other editors/moderators buy the same books the day they are published and enter them into the database at around the same time. I don't think it has caused any issues yet, especially now that we have additional yellow warnings, but it's been close a few times. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:09, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: It doesn't take a moderator to know we cannot edit submissions, but must approve them and then make corrections. The comment about research before approval is also incorrect. I had identified the changes I wanted to make. However it took me eight minutes to enter the corrections and the notes to moderator , review and post. P.S. I would have promptly replied to a query as to status.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::This proposal is for a 24-hour period. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:46, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then propose a shorter window. The last time an editor (sitting on the recent updates queue and jumping as soon as they thought they saw something they MUST update now), made a merge on a story in an anthology of 20 titles or more, most of which required updates in the titles and authors (capitalization and spaces an so on) and follow-up merges and my edit had to be redone from scratch because the merge deleted the title ID - thus making the edit unworkable. I did not raise the question back then - I just redid the edit, posted for the new editor (first edit by them -- and anthologies tend to be... not fun) and then walked away for the day. It was not the first time that had happened. If common courtesy won't regulate that and it does happen more often than once in a blue moon, then we will need to spell out some rules. It is not about being possessive or not doing research before approval - it is about giving a moderator the needed time to do their post-approval edits before losing their time and forcing them to either redo the edit from scratch or look through multiple edits to see if something conflicted somewhere and a second edit is required. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The above proposal doesn't address your scenario. A title merge is not a publication edit so wouldn't get the proposed warning. Collisions can happen without people sitting on the recent updates queue & without editing the same pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:54, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: It does - when the merge is because someone opened the recently created publication and looked for duplicates and decided to "help", that is exactly the issue at hand. Collisions always happen - and we all learn to live with them. But these are easily avoidable with a bit of common courtesy (or with a rule that says not to do it - if nothing else works). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Standards question has reached an impasse ==<br />
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Three verifiers cannot reach agreement regarding current standards. The question revolves around the publication pages field and content titles page field. Please help resolve the impasse [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#1634:_The_Bavarian_Crisis here] Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Mandelo, Revisited ==<br />
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Although we view the Lee Mandelo name change as closed, this has not been the case in the general public. In particular, the ISFDB Wikipedia article has recently used Jason Sanford's article about the Lee Mandelo situation as factual evidence of an issue, and I would like to post actual counter evidence of what actually happened. As such, I've been working on two documents. The first is a post-mortem of the situation, which provides a detailed timeline of every submission and communication which is related to the name change. It then summarizes the system issues and potential recommendations. Once the post-mortem is finalized I will post an Open Letter to the SF Community, which will reference that post-mortem.<br />
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The intention of this two articles is to provide a reference-quality document that can be added as a reference to Wikipedia, if needed. So I'd like the documents to be clean, and not contain large sections of indented discussions. There definitely should be discussions, but not within those documents. The first document is available now at:<br />
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* [[User:Alvonruff/A_Post-Mortem_on_the_Lee_Mandelo_Name_Change]]<br />
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Discussion about the document can occur here. Feel free to directly correct any grammar/spelling errors. Detailed discussions about the potential implementation of the recommendations should take place in the usual locations. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 10:42, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Is this discussion only open to moderators? I appreciate Community Portal can be noisy, but assuming that this discussion is open to all ISFDB stakeholders, maybe have a link on that page here at least? <br />
: (Super trivial observation: maybe fix the "Revisted" typo in the item title, before there are any links pointing at the wrong title?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:00, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Fine with me to move the discussion so that it is open to all. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 15:08, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Organizing all of the publicly available data -- submissions, Wiki discussions, etc -- as a timeline sounds like a reasonable idea.<br />
::: One thing that we may want to consider is how the ISFDB project communicates with the outside world. Currently, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_other_Web_sites_and_social_media_accounts_does_the_ISFDB_use.3F the ISFDB FAQ says]:<br />
:::* ''What other Web sites and social media accounts does the ISFDB use?''<br />
:::* ISFDB administrators may post announcements on [http://isfdb.blogspot.com/ this Blogspot] Web page in case of extended unscheduled downtime or connectivity problems. There are no other official or ISFDB-endorsed Web sites, Web pages or social media accounts. Non-ISFDB Web sites and social media accounts maintained by individual ISFDB contributors (editors, moderators and administrators) are independent of the ISFDB and are not endorsed by it.<br />
::: This policy was originally formulated in part due to the existence of Web sites/Web pages like [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb this Facebook page] which uses the ISFDB name and images without clarifying that it is not affiliated with the ISFDB project.<br />
::: The policy means that our project is currently a closed system with no Web/social media presence aside from the ISFDB Web site and no official communications with the outside world except by individual ISFDB contributors acting on their own.<br />
::: If we are to change this approach, we will presumably want to formulate an official communications strategy first. Something like an official social media account, perhaps? (I don't use social media outside of Web/Usenet forums which discuss SF, so I may not be the best person to come up with ideas.)<br />
::: Alternatively, Al could post an "open letter" as an individual. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:12, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::One thing we need to do is try to work with Sanford to correct his information in [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/genre-grapevine-for-december-31-2022 his post]. At least based on the timeline Al posted, the first time a concern was posted in one of the public forums here is on Dec 14, 2022 by the author in question, and everything was handled within less than a week. So saying ISFDB "fought against changing Lee Mandelo’s name in the site’s author listing for over a year" is rather a stretch. As noted, we should find a way to make it more clear when we will change a canonical name, but we certainly weren't "fighting" against changing it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: A new section, "How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?", was [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AFAQ&type=revision&diff=651853&oldid=651852 added to the ISFDB FAQ] on 2022-12-26 based on this and previous discussions. Can anyone think of additional ways to increase its visibility? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:13, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Additionally, Sanford describes Username as a moderator, which is not and has never been the case. At the very least, his comment was certainly insensitive, but Sanford should do his homework before trying to smear the moderators. Simply checking the list at the top of the Moderator noticeboard would have clarified that point. The "bad publicity" really had nothing to do with us making the change. It was the author posting here and making a request. Once we were made aware there was an issue, we discussed it and quickly made the updates (as noted, within less than a week from being made aware of the issue). The majority of that less-than-a-week was sorting out exactly what needed to be done to make all the changes as it's not a simple thing to do, and things have to be done in a specific order in order to not make it even more difficult to update. <br />
::::I think having an official Twitter/X and/or Facebook account would be good as those are the two largest social media platforms for publishing-related things. The Blogspot site is fine, but no one is going to think of looking there since it's rather obscure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Excuse me, how did I get roped into this nonsense? Some trans activists try to bully this site into changing someone's "dead" name and it's my fault now? What comment are you referring to? I do more edits and leave more messages here than everyone else combined --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To clarify: as of last morning, of the 234,773 submissions approved in 2023, 17,359 (7.4%) were created by [[User:Username|Username]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:41, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: so mentioning a singular thing I said a long time ago is pointless because I wouldn't remember it, anyway. Quote me what I supposedly said. EDIT: Never mind, Mr. Sanford quoted me on his Substack page where I quite logically inquired as to what would happen if Mandelo decided their transition was a mistake and wanted to transition back; would Mandelo and all the assorted friends bully ISFDB into changing everything back to Brit? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F current policy] is:<br />
::::::* The name chosen to be the canonical name is the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre.<br />
:::::: Lee Mandelo provided evidence that the "most recognized name within the SF genre" was "Lee Mandelo". Once we confirmed it, we changed the canonical name as per the policy, not because the author requested it. Whether the policy should be changed to account for author preferences is a different issue and fodder for the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: There are countless people online who have said their transition was the result of peer pressure or mental/emotional confusion or bad parents/doctors who encouraged them to transition for their own personal/monetary reasons and, tragically, many of them have already had body parts removed that they'll never be able to replace. Pretending otherwise is choosing not to accept reality. If Mandelo feels like their transition will be permanent and they're happy with that, fine. ISFDB is a gigantic site and highly disorganized; expecting it to run smoothly for one person is unreasonable. The delay in changing the name was due to a complete breakdown in communication, not because of transphobia. I reject terms like "bigoted" and "insensitive" to describe my remark; an apology will suffice. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To my shame, I didn't say anything publicly when this kicked off originally - instead choosing to walk away from any association with this site for several months - but quite frankly, I feel that this site would be better off without you. All the edits you do to fix bad data are great in themselves, but I don't think they are worth all the aggravation you cause. If I recall correctly, at least one moderator refuses to work on your edits, and numerous other moderators and editors have had run-ins with you over your edits and general attitude. You've promised on numerous occasions that you intend to leave this site, any chance you can fulfill those promises?<br />
:::::: It's one thing when that stuff is kept internal to this wiki, but when it explodes into the public domain, like it did last December, then all of us get tarred with the same brush, which is why I walked away then. I have numerous issues with what "the other side" did last December - e.g. Sanford's apparent lack of any sort of reaching out to get the ISFDB side of the story; the fact that (as IIRC Scifibones also found) 5 minutes of investigation disproved the claim that the deadname wasn't being still being used for publications (although it looks like some/most of them have finally been updated) - but it's hard to defend the ISFDB position when you had utterly poisoned the discourse. If you don't believe the comments you posted were utterly inflammatory, can I suggest you step out of your FoxNews/Daily Wire/Newsmax/whatever bubble, and understand that you can't talk to people that way?<br />
:::::: Maybe I'll get attacked or censured for this comment, but quite frankly, I'd rather that happen, than have been silent on this. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:03, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: [[User:Username|Username]] has been warned about being abrasive and about personal attacks, e.g. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Warning_re:_the_last_exchange_with_Willem_H._on_the_Community_Portal here]. However, the ideal outcome is not to drive abrasive editors away, it is to help them improve their ability to communicate with other editors to ensure that the project functions smoothly. If it doesn't work, then [[ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy]], which provides for escalating penalties for misconduct up to and including an indefinite block, comes into play. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Re-reading [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]], I have a few suggestions:<br />
* "14 December 2022" where it says "Mandelo posts a request to the Moderator Noticeboard". I suggest linking [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display the Moderator Noticeboard discussion].<br />
* Same day where it says "A 4-day bibliographic discussion follows with numerous open questions, with responses from Mandelo." I suggest adding that the current standard -- "For authors who publish under multiple names, the canonical name is the most recognized name for that author within the genre" -- was explained to Lee Mandelo who then provided evidence supporting the notion that, as of 2022-12, the "most recognized name" was indeed "Lee Mandelo". That's what triggered the canonical name change.<br />
* The "Recommendations" section of [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]] suggests the following change to the canonical name policy:<br />
** The Canonical Name of a living author should only be changed at the request of the author in question.<br />
* This would be a fairly major policy change which would affect a number of scenarios. For example, we have received canonical author change requests based on authors trying to promote new working names. To quote what I wrote during the 2022-12 discussion:<br />
** It's been occasionally proposed that we make exceptions to our canonical name policy for certain types of scenarios. For example, {{A|Debora Geary}} published ''A Modern Witch'', a series of popular urban fantasies, in 2011-2013. Then, after a painful divorce, she removed all of them from Amazon and restarted her career as Audrey Faye. A few years ago she published a non-fiction account of her recovery after divorce ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835287 Sleeping Solo: One Woman's Journey Into Life After Marriage]) in which she explained why she could no longer be associated with the name "Debora Geary". Another example would be a person converting to another religion and changing his or her name to reflect new beliefs. Changing one's gender would be another scenario which has been discussed a few times, including [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Canonical_names_for_transgender_authors an extensive Rules and Standards discussion in September 2018].<br />
** So far these discussions of possible exceptions have failed to lead to a new consensus, in part because of the number of possible scenarios and sub-scenarios. For example, consider {{A|Poppy Z. Brite}}, who has been using the name "Billy Martin" socially since the early 2010s, but whose books continue to be published as by "Poppy Z. Brite".<br />
* We will need to discuss the proposed change on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page.<br />
[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:23, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In my opinion, the best part about the current policy is that it is quantitative/qualitative and not subjective. We did not use "Brit Mandelo" because of someone's whim or someone's views on Mondelo's gender identity or even popular vote. Technically, the switch from Brit to Lee as canonical was made because the underlying measure of primary identification changed over time and "Lee Mandelo" supplanted "Brit Mandelo". I don't think we should have a blanket policy that authors or their agents can request changes. That's another form of whim, and the ISFDB's purpose is not advertising for authors or publishers. Perhaps one thing we could consider, though, is a policy allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change. E.g., if "ABC" came to us and said "I changed my name to 'XYZ', and all of my books are being pulled from the shelves and are being reissued using that name. Could 'XYZ' be configured as my canonical name?" ISFDB could then project the future and perhaps act early. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:19, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Re: "allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change", we ran into an issue in this area back in the late 2010s.<br />
::: In 2015 the author who had published the "Vladimir Tod/Slayer Chronicles" series as {{A|Heather Brewer}} [https://ew.com/article/2015/06/25/heather-brewer-zac-brewer-transgender/ changed the name] to "Zac Brewer". There were plans to republish Brewer's old books under the new name and at least one SF story was indeed published that way. Based on that, an ISFDB editor proposed that we change the canonical name to "Zac Brewer" with the expectation that it would soon become the "most recognized name ... within the genre". At the time we decided to wait and see what would happen in another year or two.<br />
::: As it turned out, the name "Zac Brewer" was used on 2 non-genre novels in 2016-2017, but all new speculative fiction (2 novels and 1 story) appeared as by "Z Brewer". I guess it goes to show that making assumptions about future releases is chancy in the publishing business. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I agree. Keeping the policy as objective as possible is a good thing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:43, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]], thanks for a very nice job on the timeline. I'm not sure anything posted on social media ever changed anyone's opinion, but it accurately documents the facts. Sections 3 and 4 are better served as the kickoff to the Rules and Standards discussion and should not be included in the public release. A subsequent post documenting our reasoning and any changes is a better course. Anyone interested can follow and/or participate in the R & S discussions (I anticipate multiple threads). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], If you are going to link this thread to the letter, I suggest starting the main thread and moving [[User:MartyD|MartyD's]] & [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe's]] posts there. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:54, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I agree that discussions of the current canonical name policy and any proposed changes belong on the Rules and Standards page. I am just waiting for Al to chime in and clarify whether he meant to propose a change. If he did, then we can move the policy part of the discussion there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:00, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: For Al's postmortem, I think it would be helpful to quote the first paragraph of the '''Canonical Name''' definition from [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] and to summarize the "enter-name-as-it-appears-in-the-publication" policy and provide links to [[Template:TitleFields:Author]] and [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] prior to getting into the timeline. That is the working context for the data present in the system and various events that occurred during the timeline. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:32, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: That's a good point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Review of" ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412925; While my editing which ended after Labor Day won't resume full-time until October I did, after a week without any edits, start doing a few handfuls of clean-up edits fixing this or that which lately have been almost entirely related to D. F. Lewis. I just came across an interesting situation which a mod should probably take care of because it's a 2-step process, changing ESSAY to REVIEW and then link review from the menu, which mods can approve instantly instead of me doing one step and then waiting for approval before doing the other step. Nemonymous 3 mentioned in the review in the zine linked above is on ISFDB, titled Gold Coin; the issue of New Genre is also here as is the issue of Gigamesh. The last non-linked review is of a Norwegian novel whose title translates as a ghost story so that book almost certainly is eligible and should be entered here and then the review linked to it. That one may require someone with a knowledge of the language. I tried to figure out how to search for all instances of "review of" in All Hallows issues but I couldn't do it. Maybe someone else knows how or, if not, an issue-by-issue check will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pohl - Gateway ==<br />
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Has anybody any suggestions how [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rudam#Pohl_-_Gateway this situation] might be resolved. No progress has been made as the PV is unresponsive. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image Deletion ==<br />
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Could a moderator please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THBKFSTRND2014.jpg this image]. The licensing tag information is incorrect. After the deletion, I will re-upload with correct tag. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:47, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. You could have edited the tag BTW :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't realise I could do it myself. Thanks for the image deletion and the heads up re editing the licence tag. I have now figured out how to do it for the future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:44, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shutdown ==<br />
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Library of Congress has an ominous red warning about what will happen if the U.S. government shuts down a few days from now. Will anything on this site be affected or will it make no difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:57, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The only effect will be not being able to look up LCCNs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LOTR Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3078415; Another editor added an archived link to the Canadian edition recently but nobody ever added a link to the USA edition which has been there since 2010 so I just added it. The title is in question because it's written in fancy font on title pages; PV Auric seemed to think Film Book should be 2 words but other editions are Filmbook. So which should it really be, and should Part I be removed from USA title since it's not actually part of the title in the book? PV doesn't respond very often so I thought I'd bring it up here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for Voyage of Mael Duin's Curragh ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49434; I just had my edit adding an archived link and fixing cover artist/adding interior artist but after looking at it I realized dates are off because Locus, https://www.locusmag.com/index/b1.htm, has one of those 2-date things and someone entered book as October but title and cover art are September, with my new interior art credit matching the book's October date. What's the rule? Which date should they all be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:What does it state on the copyright page? If it includes a month, that's what we should use. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:04, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::No, there's no month, if there was that would take precedence over Locus. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art credit removal ==<br />
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As we don't credit designers for coverart, would moderators agree to removing Michniewicz's titles from {{P|129031|here}} and {{P|174091|here}}? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:50, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2000/b5.htm#A119.2 Locus1] credits Michniewicz for the first one's cover. Since he is PV for both, you could try reaching out to Michael (use the ISFDB to send him mail) and see if he'll respond and offer an opinion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:34, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Unfortunately I can't use the email system (it won't work with my provider, even though Ahasuerus has tried to fix it for me) so the only possibility there is if some kind soul would email him for me.<br />
::As far as I can ascertain from all the pub notes, Michniewicz is credited as designer for a lot of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?168 the series] for the simple graphics. It is only for later issues where Gollancz have incorporated actual artwork that the artists get credit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:29, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Any other help please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:03, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I would leave a note on [[User talk:Mhhutchins]] re: the proposed changes. If there is no response after a week, we can remove the COVERART titles and document the designers in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've left a message on his talk page. Thank you for the advice! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:10, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Goss ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?239252; 2 different guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:39, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Goat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?882813; Can a mod take a look at those last 2 edits? I see at least a few problems with ID and web links; maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow Edits ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MOHearn#Return_of_the_Shadow; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5782555; I contacted MOHearn but we have some cross-editing going on so if I can ask one of you to approve my edits (assuming there's no problem with any of them) starting with the one linked above and going through 5782728 (there's 4 non-Shadow edits from 5782649 through 5782652; ignore those) so we can put these behind us. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== El Topo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5784269; HC copy uploaded recently, I'm going to add it (I added that paper edition a while ago) but wanted to get this edit approved first assuming mods agree it should be a chapbook since novelization is only 80-something pages with the rest being non-fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning up English translations of RUR ==<br />
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Hi all, I'm in the process of cleaning up the English translations of {{A|Karel Čapek|161}}'s {{T|2218756|RUR}}. This has led to a bunch of related edit submissions ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791148 5791148], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791149 5791149], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791151 5791151], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791157 5791157], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791159 5791159], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791160 5791160], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791188 5791188]), several of which will involve follow-up edits.<br />
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That said, I'm not quite sure how to approach cleaning up one of the existing {{T|1156033|chapbook}} / {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} pairs. There are 3 associated publications: {{P|328124}}, {{P|362654}}, {{P|529466}}.<br />
* '''{{P|328124}}''' is an English translation by David Short that I expect is distinct from the other two publications.<br />
* '''{{P|362654}}''' is an English translation by David Wyllie that is currently mapped to the wrong title(s) based on viewing the publication's title page via a reading sample from Amazon (see edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995]).<br />
* '''{{P|529466}}''' is a seemingly unknown English translation from Amazon's on-demand (self-)publisher. I haven't been able to find much trace of this particular edition online. I'm guessing this is likely a reprint of the out-of-copyright translation by Paul Selver possibly further adapted by Nigel Playfair.<br />
Do the following actions seem appropriate for this situation?<br />
# Unmerge {{P|328124}} and associate with new variant chapbook and shortfiction titles (distinct translation by David Short)<br />
# Unmerge {{P|362654}} and associate with different variant {{T|1114927|chapbook}} and {{T|1314651|shortfiction}} titles (distinct translation by David Wyllie)<br />
# Leave {{P|529466}} as is, but update associated {{T|1156033|chapbook}} and {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} titles to note that this is an unknown translation.<br />
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Thanks! --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 14:03, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep - when we know the translators of a specific book, unmerge the chapbook and the story, make them variants and add the translator to the notes of both titles. We had been slowly chipping at the early messes such as this one, created long before we started recording translators on the title level - so thanks for sorting it out. I also tend to add a "This title may contain multiple distinct translations" note or something to that effect to the one with unknown translators - when there is more than one book anyway. If two unknowns are known to be different, we also unmerge them and add as much as we know on their notes to identify what goes where... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:23, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Jules Verne has lots of examples of multiple translations in various languages. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:29, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks, that makes sense. I mainly wanted to check how to handle this particular instance because I expected the translator could be identified if someone checked this particular edition. Jules Verne is a good (although more complex) example that I'll keep in mind when I clean up future translation records. --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 17:45, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: We are playing catch-up on these -- for a long time, we did not separate or record per translator - so since we started, it had been a never ending game of finding all of them. And the ones translated into English are the most problematic due to the volume - in most other languages, we are mostly done with adding the Translator template which required the messes to be untangled. There are corners of the DB like that - where you will find surprises you would think cannot happen. Jules Verne looks as good as he does because Doug spent months fixing the records. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Old cover image delete ==<br />
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Could someone please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MCKNGBRDPV0000.jpg the old image], Date/Time: - 11:47, 23 February 2014 - to prevent reverting. The new image is identical but larger. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:26, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:20, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Annie! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Invaders by Adelia Saunders ==<br />
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This concerns the cover art shown for Publication Record # 777558, Invaders by Vaughn Heppner<br />
The cover art shows the author to be Adelia Saunders. She did not write a book called Invaders. She did write one called Indelible.<br />
I went over to Brilliance Audio. This is just a generic cover they use. Its the same cover for Invader by C.J. Cherryh, Artemis Invaded by Jane Lindskoid and a number of others including The Spirit of Dorsai, By Gordon R. Dickson [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 19:51, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?777558 Updated], thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derived prices in early Bantam Books ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25 Bantam Books] was founded in 1945 and concentrated on publishing mass market paperbacks. As far as I can tell, early on they didn't display prices on the cover or on the spine. However, some (all?) of them, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''''The Day He Died''], had ad pages in the back with one or more lists of books which you could buy by sending $0.25 plus $0.05 for postage to the publisher's address. I suppose it's likely that the list price was also $0.25, although it's not a guarantee.<br />
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Some online sources explicitly state that the list price was "$0.25", but I don't know where their data comes from. Some of our records also display "$0.25" in the price field, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''], which has the following note:<br />
* No price stated, but ad pages for current releases list $0.25 price.<br />
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Clearly, this situation requires an explanation in the Note field, but what would you enter in the price field? $0.25? Leave it blank? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:11, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems ok to me to use $0.25 and treat the ad as a secondary source. If we had a book with no printed price on it, found a review (or announcement) contemporaneous with its issuance, and that review stated a price, I think we would normally be happy to use that and cite the review as the source. The ad situation strikes me as equivalent. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:03, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree. As long as there is a note explaining the sourcing of the price, this is not different from finding a price on a publisher site, a contemporary review or any other secondary source. If we ever find a better information that contradicts the price as derived via such a method for that specific book, the note can be adjusted and the price changed if needed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:44, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to Ahasuerus for following up my discussion with him and getting this cleared up. Here's a list, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=contains&TERM_2=Latham&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=Bantam&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], of all Bantam books PV by Scott Latham; he entered prices for all of them and there's a note in the third book that he got the price from Tuck. EDIT: In the 4th book there's a note, "Price from ads in the back, listing other Bantam titles all for 25¢", so it seemed random whether there's no price note or where he got it from if he did leave a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:56, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think this is fine. A note should be included stating where the price was from, but I have no problem sourcing prices that way. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Thanks, folks. I have updated the publication record, deleted a duplicate pub and notified the affected verifier. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Can we have some clarification please because I am confused by this discussion.<br />
:Ahasuerus' initial post implied to me that we are looking at a situation where an unpriced book contains a house ad listing other books for sale from the publisher. All these books are listed with an identical price but the list does NOT contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario A.<br />
:However, MartyD and Annie's replies imply to me that they seem to think the list DOES contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario B.<br />
:We need to consider these two scenarios separately.<br />
:Scenario A: I do not consider it appropriate to infer the price of a book from other contemporary books. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11582 Ace 1st pb ed of Dune], published in 1967, is priced 95c. It's a fat book for its era. However, Ace pb's in that year were typically priced around 50c. So if, hypothetically, Ace books published in 1967 did not have a cover price then it would be erroneous to infer that Dune was 50c based on a house ad listing other contemporary books at 50c.<br />
:Scenario B: This is not contentious. Record the price in the Price field and add a mandatory pub note stating the source, ie the house ad. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:52, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry, I may not have been clear. The ads in the back of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''The Day He Died''] do include ''The Day He Died'' (with the correct catalog ID) in the list of books that you can get for $0.25, so it's "Scenario B" above.<br />
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:: Now that I am thinking about, there may be an additional twist. According to Jon Warren's "Official Price Guide: Paperbacks", some early Bantam paperbacks had 2 versions which shared the ''same'' catalog ID: a regular version and a version in a dust jacket. I don't recall seeing dust-jacketed versions, which are apparently highly prized among collectors. I don't know how they were priced and whether you could get them from the publisher for $0.25. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ah, all is good then. Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:53, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name out of date? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79169 G. Arthur Rahman] has about 15 titles under that canonical name, from the 70s and 80s, but he has over 30 under the name Glenn Rahman (and a few under other forms of the name). [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976477 Here] is my entry of some new 2023 stories in addition to those on that author page. I'm holding off on making them variants to ask: Could his canonical name be changed from G. Arthur Rahman to Glenn Rahman to reflect the majority of bylines? -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:29, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Working on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:31, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I'd think so - provided someone sets out to do the transformation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:32, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done! You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15307 here]. Let me know if I missed anything as this one was more complicated due to the number of pseudonyms. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks, Nihonjoe! I'll put the new stories into their series and look over the older ones. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 13:38, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Juliana Pinha --> Juliana Pinho ==<br />
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Hello, would it be possible to correct 'Pinha' to 'Pinho' in this entry for INTERZONE #295? Thank you.<br />
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190 • Notes From the Meeting of the First State Feder World Court: Walker Dairy, Freeville, NY, 198 Year One: Jessica Jane Pearson Vs. The Stranger Mr. Jacob Hampton • interior artwork by Juliana Pinha<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?977484<br />
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--[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 14:29, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: This depends on the way the artist is credited in the issue: we do document the spelling of a name, even if it is mistyped in a given magazine issue (and then do variant it to the canonical name, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3146115 this example]). <br />
: Anyway, since "Interzone" #295 is primary verified, it is etiquette to ask / inform the primary verifier. You can reach him [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk here]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:05, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the info. It is 'Pinho' in the magazine (on the story cover page, and in the contents page). I'll move this to the primary verifier page, thanks.<br />
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:: --[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 16:55, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Bridge by James E. Gunn, Jack Williamson ==<br />
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Publication Record # 31949 states the artist is Ed Valigursky and that there was not any credit in the book. That the credit came from Jack Williamson's Seventy-Five: The Diamond Anniversary of a Science Fiction Pioneer. Heritage Auctions (fineart.ha.com/itm/paintings/gordon-pawelka-american-20th-century-star-bridge-paperback-cover-1963-oil-on-board-20-1-2-x-1/a/8000-71029.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515) has the artist as Gordon Pawelka. Was this a name used by Valigursky or do we have a conflict?? Hey Heritage could be wrong. It sold in 2020 for $3000 {{unsigned|Aardvark7}}<br />
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== RUSSWOTHE ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:RUSSWOTHE; I made a minor edit for a book PV by this person and noticed there's a stray message in the wrong place. Is it possible to move it to their discussion page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:21, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Followup: Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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Hello. I did not receive a response to my [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Crowley_and_Aziraphale.27s_New_Year.27s_resolutions September 2023 question] about how to catalog a weirdly-published Good Omens short story. So I am repeating the question here, please. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 14:25, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not eligible unless it was downloadable as an ebook - we allow only a limited set of online fiction and "a publisher site" is not amongst them. If it was downloadable as an ebook, it will be added as a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wrong tag for L. Sprague de Camp's ''The Hardwood Pile'' ==<br />
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Hello to all. The tag "science fiction" has been wrongly attributed to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57951 this story], which is only a fantastic and humorous ghost story. Could a bureaucrat please remove it ? TIA, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:31, 12 November 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Remove non-SF/fantasy/speculative fiction incorrectly attributed to an SF author ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I recently read and loved the story "In the Days After..." in Asimov's Science Fiction, November-December 2023 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3238197). I was curious about this author who was new to me, with a story I really liked, so I checked ISFDB.<br />
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Most of his work is noted as 1981 and beyond, with a long gap (~28 years) from 1995 to 2023. The Asimov's blurb does note that Frank Ward (William Francis Ward) did take a long time off from writing for "life". https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11458<br />
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There is a 1958 story listed under Frank Ward, "The Dark Corner". I was suspicious of this, as Frank Ward is listed with a 1950 birthdate.<br />
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I checked around. Galactic Central does show a substantial mystery body of work by a different Frank Ward, from the 1930s to the 1960s. http://www.philsp.com/homeville/cfi/n00786.htm#A5<br />
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I confirmed with the current Frank Ward via email that he did not write the mystery story "The Dark Corner", which does show up under the other Frank Ward at Galactic Central.<br />
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Given that "The Dark Corner" here is not by this Frank Ward (William Francis Ward), and that the other Frank Ward who wrote "The Dark Corner" appears to have written mysteries but not SF, fantasy or speculative fiction, I am assuming that I need to delete "The Dark Corner" story from ISFDB. I further assume this is done by the "Delete this title" button.<br />
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Please confirm, or let me know what is needed.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:There's an issue with one of Ward's titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?914168, the Fantasy Book Index, https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+pegasus+suit%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221983%22, says "Pegasus", there's a contents page scan on AbeBooks, https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Fantasy-Book-February-1982-Third-Issue/30051987897/bd, which probably says the same although it's blurry, only way to be sure is looking at the story's title page which would require a copy of the zine, you may want to ask him if he owns it so he can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I'm not quite clear what the issue is. When I looked at any of the 3 copies of the "An Index to Fantasy Book, Volume 1", at Internet Archive, they all note "The Pegasus Suit". Thanks for the clarification.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:57, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for checking with the author! I have disambiguated the author name -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370798 the result here] -- and updated the title record.<br />
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::: As to whether we want to remove [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2550138 "The Dark Corner"] from the database, it depends on a couple of different factors. The story appeared in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569570 anthology ''Bodies and Souls'']. Its dust jacket says "Fourteen Tales of Worldly and Other-Worldly Murder, Mayhem and Mystery", which suggests that it collects both SF and non-SF stories. We currently list one of the stories, "Too Many Coincidences", as "non-genre" while the rest are listed as SF. It's entirely possible that some of them are non-genre; we just don't know one way or the other. Once we know more about these stories, we can decide what to do with the anthology. Since it apparently contains at least some SF stories, we will want to keep the publication record, but if the overwhelming majority of the stories are non-genre, we may end up removing them and documenting them in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::My thanks for handling this. I appreciate and concur with the thinking, and I'll try to retain that for the future. Mr. Ward is pleased this has been revised.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: ISFDB says "Pegusus" which is obviously a misspelling of "Pegasus" but a look at the header on the story's title page is what's needed because it's entirely possible, as so often in zines, that titles differ from what's on the contents page. Searching for "Pegusus Suit" online finds only ISFDB and a couple of booksellers that obviously copied their info directly from ISFDB so it's likely just a simple mistake by whoever entered the contents here. You said you spoke to him via email so maybe you can ask him if he owns that issue of Fantasy Book to check and if it's wrong it will be fixed to "Pegasus". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I have reached out to Frank Ward on this question. I'll circle back when I know, and then correct the title if needed. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I have confirmed with Frank Ward by check of his copy of the 1982 Fantasy Book that "Pegasus" is the correct spelling. He thanks us for making the correction. I will submit that now. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Bodies and Souls is linked at Archive.org in the notes section of its record here so the story can be read to determine if it's genre or not as can the other contents; also, it's much longer than the others in the book and should probably be given novelette length. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::I checked at Galactic Central. They believe this story ("The Dark Corner") is a novella. I will make that change.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts II==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg&wpUploadDescription=%7B%7BCID1%0A%7CTitle%3DA%20Muster%20of%20Ghosts%0A%7CEdition%3DCecil%20Palmer%201924%20hc%0A%7CPub%3DMSTRFGHSTS1924%0A%7CPublisher%3DCecil%20Palmer%0A%7CArtist%3DUnknown%0A%7CSource%3DScanned%20by%20%5B%5BUser%3AUsername%5D%5D%7D%7D]; I was going to upload SFE image but it seemed familiar and it turned out I'd done it already but the image didn't go to the right place; also this old edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959, has been sitting there for months because without an image the signature couldn't be seen. So can someone get the image fixed and approve the cover artist edit? EDIT: After I entered this message it didn't go to the right place because I'd already written about it, with the same message title, long ago but nobody ever answered; it's up above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The image has been added to the pub & your edit approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:06, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MP3 CD price on Amazon note ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that Amazon is now typically showing the as new price for MP3 CDs whose publisher is "Audible Studios on Brilliance Audio" as $10.02. The list price for these CDs as reported on brilliancepublishing.com is almost always $9.99. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:23, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon ==<br />
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I've noticed that Amazon.com is used frequently to verify a publication date. I just wanted to point out that it's an unreliable source, because any time they don't know the exact date, they use the first of the month.<br />
For example, the publication date of this book: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?535016 is listed as 2008-11-01, but the data is from Amazon, so I don't know if that's the accurate date, or they just used the first of the month because they didn't know any better. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Clauditorium|Clauditorium]] ([[User talk:Clauditorium|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Clauditorium|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: The quality of Amazon's records varies a great deal. It's not always clear why the bad data is the way it is, but we can make educated guesses, at least in certain cases. For example, Amazon occasionally -- I would say around 5-10% of the time -- lists unrealistically low (14-32) page counts for English e-book editions of Japanese "light novels". It seems to be related to the fact that some light novels have short (4-20 pages) manga sections at the beginning of the book. We don't know why it affects Amazon's page counts, but it's something that editors have to keep in mind when entering light novel records using Amazon's data.<br />
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: Re: dates, it depends on how old the record is, where the book was originally published and the publisher. For older books, some records have no day/month information, some add arbitrary "-01" or "-01-01" to the end of the month or year, and some have surprisingly accurate dates even for books published in the 1960s/1970s. Our best guess is that "surprisingly accurate dates" come from publishers' catalogs that Amazon has/had access to.<br />
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: Amazon.com's records for books published in other countries frequently list the "US availability" date as the publication date. There can be a big gap between these two types of dates for books originally published in the UK and especially in Australia/New Zealand, which is why Amazon's dates for these types of books are often wrong.<br />
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: Also, a note on the terminology. We use Amazon stores -- Amazon.com, Amazon UK, Amazon DE, etc -- as ''sources'' of our data, but we don's use it for ''verification''. We have a number of recognized "secondary verification" sources which you can see if you display a publication record and click on "Verify This Pub" link under "Editing Tools", then scroll down to "Secondary Verifications". Like everything else in this world, these verification sources are not perfect, but their data is, on average, better than Amazon's.<br />
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: Ultimately, the ISFDB data is only as good as our sources. Even primary verified data can be imperfect due to data entry errors and misunderstandings. That's why it's so important to document exactly where our data comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== US Copyright Office website ==<br />
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Do you guys ever use the US Copyright Office website? I would think that would be the most reliable source. It often has publication dates down to the day, whereas other sources only have them down to the month.<br />
https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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: We use a variety of secondary sources to determine publication dates as discussed in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources this Help section]. The Copyright Catalog can be (and have been) used as a secondary source of information as long as we keep in mind that their "Date of Publication" values and "Registration date" values are often different, so we need to make sure to use their "Date of Publication" values.<br />
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: Another thing to keep in mind is what [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] calls "Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality":<br />
:* Publication date does not always perfectly match the calendar date. For example, a January issue of a magazine is usually available in December of the previous year, and often earlier than that. Books with a January publication date may often be bought in the closing weeks of the prior year; they will show the later year's copyright date, even though that year has not yet started. In these cases, the convention is to use the official publication date rather than to try to identify when a book actually first became available. If there is a large discrepancy -- for example if a book was printed but unexpectedly delayed before release -- then this can be noted in the notes field.<br />
: [https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=26&ti=1,26&SEQ=20231120164838&Search%5FArg=crichton%20michael&Search%5FCode=NALL&CNT=25&PID=hderjMf9JaGhuG3tox2UMY1nLcK_&SID=1 This Copyright Catalog record for the first edition of ''Disclosure'', a non-genre novel] by {{A|Michael Crichton}}, is a good example. The "Date of Publication" value is "1993-12-20", but the publication date stated in the physical book is "January 1994". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:02, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: When it comes to magazines, I'm aware of the disconnect between publication date listed on the copyright site and the date printed on the magazine cover. {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Back when mass market paperbacks took off in the United States, their publishers piggybacked on pre-existing distribution channels and inherited some of the peculiarities of the magazine distribution system. They also had to deal with numerous technical limitations of the printing business as it existed ca. 1950. For example, you could order a paperback with 96 pages or a paperback with 128 pages, but anything in between wasn't viable because of the way mass market paperbacks paperbacks were produced. Sometimes authors and/or editors were able to cut or pad stories to make everything work seamlessly. Other times typesetters had to add empty pages or use other tricks to pad the page count.<br />
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::: We see similar issues surface even in 2023. Amazon's page count values are often off because publishers create pre-publication records based on estimates. When books are produced, the actual page count is usually different. Not all Amazon records are updated post-publication, so we always take what's there with a grain of salt. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:10, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As for novels, I've noticed that in several cases, the date listed by isfdb.org is missing the day, but the copyright site will have this info. For example, Misery by Stephen King is listed here as being published on 1987-06-00; on the copyright site, the publication date is indicated as 1987-06-08 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1513). If I come across such occurrences, should I make a correction, crediting the copyright site? {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Sorry, I didn't quote the most applicable part of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Date]] earlier. Here is the relevant section:<br />
:::* The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See Secondary Sources of Dates.<br />
::: So the answer is yes, editors can make the date more precise as long as it is "otherwise consistent with publication's stated date" and the source is documented in Notes. If there is a discrepancy -- as in the case of {{A|Michael Crichton}}'s ''Disclosure'' (see above) which was offered for sale in late December 1993 but the printed publication date says "January 1994" -- then we use the printed date and optionally document what secondary sources like the Copyright Office or Amazon say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:24, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Captured By the Engines ==<br />
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Can someone approve my submission 5819033? Because I need to add month to merged art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications" on the New Submissions page ==<br />
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A new table, "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications", has been added to the New Submissions page. It will appear at the top of the page if any pending submissions affect the logged-in moderator's primary verifications. If you run into any issues, please report them here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:27, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Can Ellen Be Saved ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291669; I just uploaded new cover but it didn't go to the same Wiki page and replace old cover, it just created a new page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I added the new one to the pub and deleted the old one after verifying it was not used in any other pubs. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One New Message ==<br />
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"The following Contents titles have dates after the proposed publication date"; I got this message after submitting an edit for Tor ed. of G. Masterton's Mirror because month was April, not May, and cover art needed fixing in another edit. Is this new? I don't remember seeing that before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This warning was [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#New_yellow_warning_when_a_changed_Publication_date_is_before_one_of_the_Title_dates implemented on July 31] as per {{FR|1569}}, "Add a warning when a changed pub date is before one of the title dates". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:08, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Server issue? ==<br />
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Is there a server problem? I'm getting a 500 Internal Server Error message when trying to submit a Clone Publication. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:26, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Nevermind. I opened a new Clone the Pub tab and was able to submit the request successfully. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Log In ==<br />
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Why am I not logged in? Is there some new problem now? I see Username when I'm on the Wiki pages but the front page says "You are not logged in". EDIT: I got tired of waiting so I entered "Username" and "password" and that worked but a message popped up saying password was used in a data breach on Google or something like that. I don't know what's going on. Maybe someone can tell me if anyone else got that message or got logged out for no reason. I sincerely hope all of my info and edits and everything else that was there before I re-logged in is still exactly the same and nothing was changed/lost. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Old Edits ==<br />
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I'm trying to get my edits that have been sitting for months approved. I'll start with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747517, which is just a simple change from a dead Google Drive link to one that works. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747546; Just a simple cover image, Rudam said long ago in the thread "Rejected?" on his board that there's no need to ask about covers except for a couple of specific publishers. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749772; Just an archived link and an obvious format fix. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Changing the format is a major change and should not be approved unless the active verifiers have agreed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750346; Just an archived link and an obvious fix of LCCN in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::The active verifier has asked that he be contacted through the email system about changes. No indication in the edit that this was done, or what the response was. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750954; Just a simple LCCN ID and cleanup of several misspellings in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Moderator note only states "cleaned up sloppy note" without specifying what was changed. Best to notify the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757566; Just a simple note about the cover; it's on this page, https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/3786/fred-pickersgill-graves-give. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::This one is more of a judgement call. Personally I think it's too much information that is not germane to the publication. What does the soundtrack artist have to do with the book? I could have lived with something along the lines of "Cover is from the filmed version of 'The Female of the Species'". However, other moderators may differ. At a minimum, if we're going to go into this much detail, it should probably go below a <nowiki>{{BREAK}}</nowiki> tag. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved by JLaTondre. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Science ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5824080; I did add the archived link and the cover image but I didn't touch those reg. title art and story things so does anyone know why it says I did? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: It is a kinda known issue with the software when titles contains special characters, especially older titles added before some of the latest changes in handling these from the last years (in this case it is the <nowiki><</nowiki> that is throwing the fit. Because of that, the comparison for changes detects a change - even if there is none). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:56, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title change with no PVs ==<br />
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I was getting ready to add the audiobook and CD editions to Steven Erikson's novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424072 Rejoice] but noticed that the correct title name should be <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i> instead of just <i>Rejoice</i>. I looked at WorldCat, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, SFE, and Wikipedia, and in all cases except SFE, that is shown as the correct title. Would there be any objection to me changing the title to <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i>? None of the publications have a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:17, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The publisher also refers to it as 'Rejoice, A Knife to the Heart', [https://www.promontorypress.com/books/rejoice-a-knife-to-the-heart/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SF Adventures Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827099; I can never remember which changes to names affect what, so if someone can approve this assuming artist change won't mess anything up with info on his page or whatever. Also, both PV are long-gone so someone may want to check and see if there are any little details that I missed which need correcting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looks good, submission approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:01, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Liam Hogan versus Laim Hogan ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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In working to add the story "Ana" by Liam Hogan in "The Best of British Science Fiction 2016", I need to add it's first publication in Scientific American, as noted in the "Best of British Science Fiction" copyright page and else on the internet at Scientific American.<br />
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I checked the author's name. There is no "Liam Hogan" currently in ISFDB, but there is a "Laim Hogan", the author of the 2019 short fiction "XX". "XX" is listed as published in "Best Indie Speculative Fiction: Volume Two, November 2019". Upon looking at that "Best Indie..." on Amazon, the preview shows "Liam Hogan" on both the cover and table of contents.<br />
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Upon checking further, the website https://happyendingnotguaranteed.blogspot.com/p/2014.html for Liam Hogan notes both "XX" and "Ana" as his stories.<br />
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Therefore, I would appreciate it if a moderator could correct this author's name in ISFDB to "Liam" Hogan. Once that is done, I'll add "Ana" in the Scientific American webzine.<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:46, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: We do have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?180891 Liam Hogan] so I cannot rename [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?336607 Laim Hogan]. Same guy I think? If so, the fastest solution is to just fix the author on the stray story. If not, I will be happy to differentiate them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:52, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for fixing the author entry. Looks correct now. I'll go ahead and add the first publication for "Ana" now. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dave888|contribs]]) .</small> 14:03, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A SHORTFICTION title incorporated into the body of a NONFICTION title ==<br />
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I am holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823707 this submission], which would import {{A|Howard Koch}}'s SHORTFICTION title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982024 The Invasion from Mars: A Radio Adaptation] into the 2009 NONFICTION book [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765971 Waging The War of the Worlds: A History of the 1938 Radio Broadcast and Resulting Panic, Including the Original Script]. As the title of the NONFICTION book states, the text includes Koch's script, so normally it would make sense to approve the submission. However, the Notes field explains that:<br />
* Howard Koch's radio script is incorporated into the body of the book's main text, rather than being a separate essay.<br />
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Would you say that it makes sense to list the SHORTFICTION title as a Contents items in this pub? Or is it better presented as a part of the NONFICTION title? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:44, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My five cents: I'd say it makes sense if the piece is incorporated as a whole and without interruptions (of explaining notes). In the latter case the piece may only serve as a means to comment on Koch's unique handling (or something similar). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:25, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::If it's contained in its entirety and its content appears in proper order (whether or not contiguously), I am inclined to allow it. Technically, the work is published in the book. If it's not contiguous, the situation strikes me as similar to publications of "braided" stories. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:49, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks, folks. I have approved the submission, notified the inactive primary verifier and updated Notes to clarify the situation. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Entries disappeared ==<br />
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At least four of my entries from the last few weeks have disappeared from the database. I looked for the new publication series page, Gruselkabinett, as I was going to add more, and it and the four books I entered in it are gone. They're audio books: <i>Der Bluthund</i> by H.P. Lovecraft, <i>Die Weiden</i> and <i>Das unbewohnte Haus</i> by Algernon Blackwood, and <i>Die Toten sind unersättlich</i> by Leopold Sacher-Masoch. Even a new author entry they generated has vanished, the artist on two of the titles, Johannes Belach. I have no idea if more of my entries have disappeared. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 12:24, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking submission history (a moderator-only menu option), I see the following:<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981382 Publication ID 981382, ''Der Bluthund''], created on 2023-12-02 16:30:43. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:08:08. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981093 Publication ID 981093, ''Die Weiden''], created on 2023-11-30 18:58:05. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:37. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981433 Publication ID 981433, ''Das unbewohnte Haus''], created on 2023-12-02 20:36:31. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:13. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* I can't find an audio book version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3248968 Die Toten sind unersättlich] using moderator tools. I could presumably do it using programmer tools, but it would take time.<br />
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: I assume that Stonecreek deleted the 3 pubs listed above as per [[ISFDB:Policy]], which says:<br />
:* '''Included''': audio books, i.e. readings, but not dramatizations<br />
: I'll ask Stonecreek to join this discussion. We'll need to make sure that we are all on the same page or else we'll be stuck in an endless cycle of some editors adding certain books and other editors deleting them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:01, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, I deleted them on the basis of the rule that dramatizations are not to be included. I stumbled over the entry for "Die Weiden" upon reading a review at 'phantastiknews.de' of the play, and found that the other entries for publications fell into the same category. (A good rule of thumbs for a first check is if there are more than one speakers for a piece, it is most likely that it is a dramatization). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. In the future, when you come across publication records for ineligible works (like dramatizations), please use Edit History to identify the original submitter(s) and discuss the issue with them first. That way they will be made aware of what is and is not eligible for inclusion and won't make the same type of mistake in the future. Without an explanation, they'll be either confused and frustrated when the data that they previously submitted disappears or they will continue adding ineligible records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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I should leave it at that, since Ahasuerus was a lot more measured than I could be right now over the situation. -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In the past, we didn't have Edit History, so it was hard to tell who did what when. Now that it's been available for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development/Archive/2021 almost three years], it should be the default tool used to figure out why something appears to be off and whether a discussion is warranted.<br />
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: That said, old habits die hard. I still occasionally catch myself making a change, then realizing that I should have checked Edit History first. Hopefully, things will improve going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: My name was right there in the WorldCat verification on all four of those entries. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 21:34, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: My apologies: I stiil have to adapt to making a direct notification: as with this case I came upon this while doing research for another author at the news site, and carried on with this other task after that to get it done in that specific setting. <br />
::: And I didn't recall that the note left in the moderator's field wouldn't be easy to find. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::: (I'd love to add some really good audio plays to the database, but they ''are'' excluded, just like the ones you had added). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series Parent Position and Series Num fields ==<br />
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"Series Num" can have numbering that are not integers (e.g., 2.1, 2.2, etc.), but apparently the "Series Parent Position" field when editing series can only be integers. Can we change the field to allow non-integer numbering? This would allow subseries to be placed in the correct location with a larger series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:40, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This functionality was requested in {{FR|1403}}, "Allow decimal numbers as Series Parent Position values". Unfortunately, it is much harder to implement than it looks. The way the "Series Number" field works for title records is rather involved; back when I implemented it, it took me weeks to get everything updated and debugged. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds good. I'm glad it's on the list. Thanks for all your work on the backend of things. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic information for Strange Tales ==<br />
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For the UK magazine Strange Tales edited by Walter Gillings I believe that the noted second printing of the first issue is just a variant cover. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?618191<br />
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In George Locke's Spectrum of Fantasy, volume 1, page 3 he states as such. His examination of the two copies he had was that they were identical with the exception of two different covers. I would find it hard to believe that an attempt of a new publication which was dodging the fact it was a magazine would go into two printings, as there were still paper shortages after the War. The price on both covers is the same, one shilling net on one cover 1/- on the other. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jwkbooks|Jwkbooks]] ([[User talk:Jwkbooks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jwkbooks|contribs]]) .</small> 17:12, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Long time for approval? ==<br />
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Is it unusual if my relatively minor edits take two weeks or more to be approved? Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 22:38, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Typically, it wouldn't take that long, but unfortunately, the "New Submissions" queue has been very long recently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:51, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 00:17, 28 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Missing Clone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5832571; What happened to the clone? It's not there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The submission failed because one of the titles in the cloned publication, 2439970 (Intelligence and Luck), is no longer present. It appears that the title was merged in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816680 this edit] which was submitted on November 21st and approved on December 12. I'm guessing that your clone submission was submitted within that time frame. When the merge was done, the other title record was the one that was kept, and 2439970 was deleted. You should be able to re-clone the container title and pick up the current contents including the merged title of that story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:11, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art weirdness ==<br />
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So browsing (as you do). I came across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1379001 this] cover art entry which seems, to my eye at least, an identical piece to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139158 this one]. Any comments ?--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:40, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:To my eye, these look identical. We would have to research the Maria Carella credit for the French ones. Likely Herve put on one and then carried that over into the other by cloning. The Tim Jacobus credit on the ''Doomsday Book'' covers seems clear (from copyright statement on hardcover's jacket flap). My first guess would be a misinterpretation of some sort of general artist credit on ''Le grand livre'' as referring to the cover instead of to interior artwork. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:42, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) These are definitely based on the same cover art. The question then is whether the cover artist was really credited as "Maria Carella" in this J'ai Lu edition or whether it's a data entry error in our database. Checking Google, I see that J'ai Lu has used at least two other covers -- https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjbJRjGrF4EtBXromnm4E-mn-bwNjmriUiD9y_zEqCWxOsPAdQkITLtQ-6VzOAKbgq3b4&usqp=CAU and m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61mHPaZVmdL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg -- and it's possible that one of them was done by Maria Carella. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:49, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I did more research and found some pictures. In the original Bantam edition, the copyright page has "Book design by Maria Carella" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_37245aad-355d-4ecf-981b-2939ddd31921_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]) and the rear flap says "Cover illustration &copy; 1992 by Tim Jacobus" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_7be69af1-7c70-4430-86da-f306440e8119_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]). So I think the book design credit got conflated with cover artistry, either by J'ai Lu or someone else (if Herve did not have the books, his source might have been NooSFere, which credits the cover to Carella). Unless anyone disagrees, I will change the credit on the French ones and document the discrepancy with French secondary sources and probable source of the confusion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Nice! I also wonder if {{A|Maria Carella}} was the cover artist or the cover designer for the first (1988) edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354512 Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology]. Our source is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t203.htm#A12107 the Locus Index], which simply says "cover by Maria Carella". <del>For what it's worth, the Internet Archive has the [https://archive.org/details/visionsofwonders0000unse/page/n5/mode/2up 1996 edition, which has a different cover, on file] and its copyright page says "Design by Lynn Newark"</del> -- '''never mind, it turns out that "Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1988) and "Visions of Wonder: the Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1996) are completely different'''. Even if we keep Maria Carella as the cover artist, we will want to change her working language from French to English. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:41, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=maria+carella; She's mentioned in 16 notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I made these adjustments: Maria Carella language to English. ''Le grand livre'' cover credit to Jacobus (+ variant to ''Doomsday Book'' cover). Added note to French cover and to the first of the French pubs about secondary sources crediting Carella but her being credited as book designer (and Jacobus as cover illustrator) in original Bantam edition. Added note to Bantam hc about the book design credit. I found some pictures of portions of the interior of that anthology, but they did not include the copyright or credits pages, so I couldn't conclude anything about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:28, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Data entered exactly as on books [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/74/Grand_livre.jpg 1994 on top, 1995 below, "illustration" having the same meaning in both langages, "de" meaning "by"].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] ([[User talk:Hauck|talk]]) 05:26, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Well, that is quite clear, too, then. Then I guess we should have a "Maria Carella (in error)" as an alternate name then, with the above explanation, and the cover art with that credit as the variant. And no direct credit to Jacobus in the J'ai Lu editions. Does that sound correct to everyone? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:28, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::Sounds good to me. I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10617 Bantam 1st ed hc] and have checked it against the above discussion and concur. The book also states "Jacket design by Jamie S. Warren Youll" on rear flap which reinforces the statement that Maria Carella was only involved in the book design, not the cover. I have PVd the pub record and submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847617 this edit] to add extra info and change the source of all the data to the actual book. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:34, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::::Happy New Year, everyone. I have made the further adjustments I proposed above, and I accepted the changes to the Bantam edition. Please correct -- or let me know about -- anything that still is not as it should be. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:08, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New translations of Ursula K. Le Guin's Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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A few days ago I posted 2 records for a 1981 and a 2002 edition of ''Pimeduse ahem käsi''. the Estonian translation of ''The Left Hand of Darkness'', and 2 images for their respective book covers. I realize it's the holiday season and that there's a backlog... I have a Bulgarian translation as well and I'd like to upload that, though I worry that I'm not doing it right. Also if there are any editors or moderators here with a particular interest in Le Guin I'd like to make your acquaintance. Cheers, [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 14:45, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Hello and a happy new year, Evertype! I do think that I do fall into the category, as Le Guin is in the top three of my favourite authors. I have to admit that most of the copies I own contain German translations (and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar Jens]' German collection seems to be even more complete, but nowadays he isn't so often around). I know there are lots of translations of her work missing (with Dutch, French & German seemingly well-covered). If you have any questions that you think I might be able to help in, just ping me on my talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:16, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== External ID: PPN ==<br />
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It seems that the Dutch National Library has changed its www address. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs Here] it is "picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/" but doesn't work any more. The new one seems to be "picarta.oclc.org/psi/xslt/DB=3.9". Please have a look on that. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 13:35, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: The "PPN" template has been updated as well. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:48, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Charles Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873365; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873368; Can I get these 2 edits approved? I was going to add the other book by the author mentioned in the F&SF essay but online photo says Charles Williams on title page; checking further revealed that it's the same for Rolling Pin. There's already a famous novelist of that name and an artist on ISFDB so what do you think this guy should be known as, maybe (I)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pages of deceased users ==<br />
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Would it be helpful or useful to block the user pages and talk pages of deceased users, so no edits or submissions can be made any more? Ahasuerus told me these pages viewed as something like memorials, so they should be left untouched. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:40, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Generally, we put the [[:Template:Deceased user|Deceased user]] template at the top of their pages so people know not to post comments or questions there. So far, I haven't seen a huge problem with simply leaving them as they are. If problems do occur, we can always lock the pages so only admins can edit them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:49, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Locking the Talk pages will cause confusion to newer editors who are directed to post on the PV's pages and if the first few they hit are ones of the ones we had lost - asking them to post there while they cannot will either make them never post anywhere or just get frustrated. Plus the pages that we want to preserve are the User pages, not the Talk pages. I'd argue that User pages should be locked for Admin and the user they belong to at all times but that will make life harder and we do not have too many issues so I never raised that up as a proposal. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I was only suggesting locking the pages if we ran into problems where someone was editing them maliciously and we needed a way to stop it. Pages can be locked from editing for a brief period of time, too, which is generally the only kind of locking that's needed. Only in extreme cases would a page need to be locked for more than a week or so. I do like the idea of locking the user page of deceased editors, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: We are in agreement -- I was just mentioning that locking the Talk pages is going to cause other possible issues downstream (unlike User pages which can be safely locked without side effects). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:07, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Add link at the bottom of "Author Merge Update" ==<br />
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After two or more authors are merged, can we please add a link to the resulting record on the confirmation page (post approval). Now you need to either keep a record open or look for it again once the merge completes. (the script in question is cgi-bin/mod/aa_merge.cgi). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:29, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: {{FR|1591}} has been created and implemented. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Now, that's quick fix - less than an hour between reporting and getting it live on the server ;) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Safari ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?648417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884004; PV used wrong cover so I uploaded right one from recent archived copy but they also added wrong uploaded wraparound image in the notes. Can someone approve my edit and then move the note over to the other edition? The record number doesn't make a difference to where the image points, I assume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: The note has been moved to the correct publication. Is the interior art the same for both publications? If so, merge the two tile records. If not, we need a note on each and a do not merge warning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:33, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shattered Lens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892580; After checking further it turns out the correct title I fixed "Tears" to was used for the story's reprint in a magazine a few years later. After approval will the titles merge on their own or will it need to be done manually? If manual, can someone approve this so I can merge before I forget? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Approved. You need to merge them. Submit and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:13, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::All done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:19, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX; It won't make much difference to my PV because I only have about 50 but I can foresee trouble with others if he starts adding Roman where they don't belong. This is a common problem with other editors, too, where they add Roman even though the numbering goes straight from Roman to non-Roman. A LOT of DAW Books, for example, have unnecessary numbers entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:From the help, bullet point 2 under [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Pages]:<br />
:* "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers for introductory material, followed by Arabic numerals for the main text of the book, enter both sets of numbers. For example, a book with a page count field of "viii+320" has "viii" as the highest numbered page with a Roman numeral. (Note that there are no spaces in the page count.) Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored. Note that you should include the enumeration of the pages in Roman numerals even if there is no material that requires a separate content record (such as an introduction or preface) in those pages. This is in contrast with the situation with unnumbered pages prior to page 1; see the following bullet point for what to do in that case."<br />
:[https://www.ebay.com/itm/296164887458 This ebay.com listing] shows Roman numerals as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897763 this submission] suggests. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::If I understand that correctly then I disagree and you can find many instances on the boards here where mods tell editors to enter Roman only if the book doesn't continue the numbering straight into the Arabic. That's the way I enter Roman (except possibly for my early edits where I wasn't sure what I was doing) and so do many others. This has led to a lot of confusion. For example, this record's notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629077, mention this situation and only Arabic were entered while the notes here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979406, are similar but both Roman and Arabic were entered. I'm sure there are countless other examples. So nobody seems sure what the right way to do it is but if one has really been decided on then that would entail fixing thousands and thousands of records where they were entered the other way. That would be a huge task. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::For my own understanding's sake: The situation being discussed here is a contiguous set of pages, ending on Arabic-numeral'ed '''''366''''', but where the first fourteen pages are Roman-numeral'ed '''''i - xiv''''' and the remaining three hundred fifty-two are Arabic-numeral'ed '''''15 - 366'''''? If that is the case, I don't think the help covers this scenario. While the second bullet does seem to call for entering the highest Roman numeral plus the highest Arabic numeral, the third bullet also talks about counting backwards from the first "numbered page to see which is page 1". That would technically mean page i is also page 1, and there is no introductory material before page 1. The second bullet seems to assume the numbering of the pages for introductory material does not overlap the numbering of the pages for the main text, which is not the case here. Recording xiv+366 would record the numbering accurately but would completely distort the page count, which is that the Pages field is all about. I would record this as Pages = 366 with a note that the main text starts on p. 15 and the pages prior to that are numbered i - xiv, just as I would record it with Pages = 366 and a note that the text starts on numbered p. 15 if there were no numbered pages before it with any relevant content. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:32, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::Ah. Pages. My favourite subject. :-)<br />
::::I agree that the Help Notes do not cover this scenario adequately. I doubt the scenario was considered when the Notes were written. Consequently, past editors have just done what they think best at the time. As Username correctly states, no matter what we decide here, there is a legacy problem of all the existing inconsistent records which will be almost impossible to reconcile. I also agree that an explanatory pub note in this situation should be mandatory.<br />
::::However, that is where my "agreements" end. In this example, Pages should be recorded as xiv+366. Under the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Help for Pages], the bullet point starting "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers" unambiguously states that both Roman and Arabic Numerals should be entered. The following bullet point, starting "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1" is not applicable to this scenario because there are no unnumbered pages before page 1.<br />
::::Although xiv+366 does distort the page count, this argument does not hold water because it is existing ISFDb policy that we do distort the page count. See this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book#Some_examples_about_page_count_accuracy How To] under the bullet point starting "Approximation:"<br />
::::Another feature I like about using xiv+366 occurs in the situation where there is recordable content in the Roman Numeral pages. Suppose there is a map on page vi. Then vi would be entered as the start page of the map in the Contents section. It would look really illogical and inconsistent if the Pages field for the publication merely contained 366. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:08, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::This discussion has stalled. There have been no comments for more than three weeks and there is no consensus. The current tally is 2 (Scifibones, Teallach) in favour of specifying Pages as Roman+Arabic (xiv+366 in this example) versus 2 (MartyD, Username) in favour of specifying Pages as just Arabic (366 in this example). This issue was initiated by Faustus [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX here] but he appears to be abstaining.<br />
:::::Does anyone else have an opinion on this subject so that we can establish a consensus and form a rule?<br />
:::::There is an alternative option which is to deliberately not have a rule at all and just leave the specification of Pages in this situation at the discretion of the first PVer of the publication. This is not my preferred solution but I have some sympathy with this approach. If we establish a rule then, whichever way it goes, there will be a legacy issue. It will result in potentially thousands of historic records that were created "wrongly" and which cannot be systematically detected or corrected. However, if we just live with the inconsistency then there is no legacy issue. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:44, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::I agree with Scifibones and Teallach that the page count should be xiv+366 along with a note indicating that there is a switch from Roman to Arabic numbers with the last Roman number as "--" and the first Arabic number as "nn". I doubt that there are really a huge number of historic records that fit this exact edge case - but of course I could be guessing wrong. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:29, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Sorry, I haven't changed my opinion, but one other note: There is a sort of precedent in the Magazine page numbering bullet, where if the page numbering is continuous across issues, the printed page numbers are relegated to the notes and the actual page count is used in Pages. Granted, it is not the identical situation, but the spirit of the example is not to have Pages = 384 where the pub has only 192 pages. 380 vs. 366 is not so extreme, but to me 380 is still misleading. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:37, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::::MartyD, I do not see the relevance of your point. It only applies to magazines. The ISFDb treats the Pages field differently for books and magazines. This is well established in this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book howto] which starts:<br />
::::::::"Important notes"<br />
::::::::"1. Please note that this howto is for '''books only''' (hardcovers, paperbacks, trade paperbacks), not for other types like magazines."<br />
::::::::and goes on to specify much information and examples that only apply to the Pages field for books. This includes the bullet point starting "Approximation:" which is very relevant to this discussion as it confirms that the value that goes in the Pages field for books is not necessarily the same as the number of pages you would get by manual counting. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:41, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::Yes, I am aware of all of that. I am only pointing out that one of the rules already accounts for a situation where using the printed page numbers as a basis would grossly misrepresent the number of pages in the publication. Regardless of our personal opinions, probably the best thing to do for this non-magazine situation is to figure out what other bibliographic sources do and, if there is a consensus, have that be the ISFDB standard. But THAT is a discussion for the R&S page. The conclusion I draw from the discussion here is that two different methods are used, with many instances of each, and the help is unclear. To me that means if a current pub was entered using either scheme, that scheme should not be changed to the other scheme until a single scheme is settled on and the help is clarified. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:19, 17 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Pandemic ==<br />
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Since the CDC officially ended its Covid-19 declaration in May of 2023 the note on our front page about forthcoming books possibly being delayed by the pandemic should be removed. Any delays now are due to other reasons. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hound Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5909601; Can someone approve this if they agree all my additions/changes are correct? Whoever entered author info spelled legal first name wrong so it needs fixing and I'm not sure if the info will be there with the name change per book's title page or if a mod has to do it from the author's record or something or other. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:03, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Done. I moved the info from the old author record to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?376213 new record], correcting that spelling error. I also fixed the review to refer to the M.-less name, so the old record went away due to no further references. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:48, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== George W. Barlow ==<br />
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Bonjour, je vous contacte pour l'article concernant mon père George W. Barlow<br />
Il y a quelques corrections et compléments qu'il voudrait apporter :<br />
Concernant sa biographie :<br />
il est né à Le Havre en Seine Maritime et non à Grenoble (où il vit)<br />
il a fréquenté l'Ecole Normale Supérieure de la rue d'Ulm et en est sorti Agrégé d'Anglais <br />
Vous trouverez ces données biographique en quatrième de couverture dans l'ouvrage que vous citez :<br />
La Science-Fiction (1987) (avec ANDREVON Jean-Pierre et GUIOT Denis)<br />
M.A. Editions, Le monde de... n° 39, 1987.<br />
Concernant sa bibliographie :<br />
-vous pouvez rajouter le roman « Antéros » publié en 2012 chez EONS collection Fantasy n°140<br />
et republié ensuite à compte d'auteur chez The BookEdition sous le titre « Antéros et chimères »<br />
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Je me tiens à votre disposition pour tout complément d'informations et vous saurais gré de me tenir informée de la suite que vous donnez à mon courrier.<br />
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Très cordialement.<br />
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Catherine Matheron/Barlow <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Catalpa|Catalpa]] ([[User talk:Catalpa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Catalpa|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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== Series ordering help ==<br />
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Hi all. I could use some help with [[User_talk:Piedro01#Mary_Stewart_Merlin_.2F_Arthurian_Saga_series_ordering|this discussion]] about ordering within one specific [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?12110 title series]. The publisher, and other sources, refer to each title's place relative to the others using the publication order. Our current series ordering reflects that. The editor feels rather strongly that the series ordering should instead reflect the internal chronology of the stories. I am afraid I may be biased, so I could use some other opinions (or even more definitive guidance, if I have misinterpreted something). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:33, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: I prefer publication order (except for some prequels that can go at 0 or novellas and stories that fall in between novels to get in their places)... We have it like that in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?689 Foundation] for example - with the two prequels at the end of the list even if they are chronologically first. If an editor insists on doing something else and they are willing to document and show sources where that other order is used and it is the common way the series is numbered online/in sources, I would consider it. But if the publisher and most other sources refer to the order in a different way, it just confuses things. As we cannot show two different sorting ways, editors are welcome to add Notes on the series page with the chronological order if they want... <br />
: In this case, I am with you - leave it at publication order, add a note for the chronological order - mainly because this is the order that people usually use outside of our DB. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:18, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::I agree with Annie, for the same reasons given by Annie. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:33, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::If current policy is not changed, there is no basis for rejecting [[User talk:Piedro01|Piedro01's]] two submissions. However, I also favor changing policy along the lines [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] spelled out. That's what I have always used, not realizing I could be outside policy. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: Out of curiosity - which policy do you think that the current order of that series (and Foundation) contradict and needs changing for them to be "in policy"? If you are saying that we technically do not have a policy and either way can be considered correct (so the submissions are approvable because of that), then the overall policy of ISFDB (we document what we see/find, we do not invent) is in favor of leaving them as they are based on almost all other sources using the current order. Plus I also favor "first editor decision stands within reason" in ambiguous situation because nothing prevents another editor from changing them back next week and that will also have to be approved if this one is approved if it does not contradict policy (with both being correct, that process can happen a lot of time). If I am misreading what you are saying, can you clarify? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:41, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::I do notice upon further review that the section of help cited goes on to say this: '''''Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error.''' Any series with this sort of ambiguity in internal ordering should have the sequence worked out on the Community Portal. This includes prequels, which can be listed first in the series, before the main entries; or listed after the main entries; ...'' So I suppose what ordering to use for this series should be brought up for debate on the Community Portal. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:51, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The first line of the applicable help clearly states a precedence for reading order. Look at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25203 Assiti Shards (1632)] series. Compare the current publication based order to the suggested reading order (1632.org link in series record). Remove the implied precedence from the help and I'm fine. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:13, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Reading order is not the same as chronological order though - I'd argue that for most series, including this one, publishing order is the reading order (mainly because of spoilers and what's not that tend to creep into later novels publishing-wise which are set earlier on a chronology). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:39, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) First, let me copy the relevant part of [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] here so that we would all be on the same page:<br />
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* '''Series Number''' - If you know the order in which the titles in the series are supposed to be read, you can number them starting with 1. You can use decimal numbers like 4.5 to place a title between the titles numbered 4 and 5. No Roman numerals (like I or IV) or letters (like "1a" or "A") are allowed. Please note that some series are very linear (e.g. Harry Potter) and it's easy to tell how to assign series number to individual entries. Other series can have multiple possible numbering schemes reflecting the series' publication order, internal chronological order, intended publication order, "author recommended" order, etc. Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error. Any series with this sort of ambiguity in internal ordering should have the sequence worked out on the Community Portal. This includes prequels, which can be listed first in the series, before the main entries; or listed after the main entries; or even split into a separate series which then becomes a subseries in a superseries comprising both the original series and the prequels.<br />
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When Scifibones wrote that "the first line of the applicable help clearly states a precedence for reading order" he presumably meant:<br />
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* If you know the order in which the titles in the series are supposed to be read, you can number them starting with 1.<br />
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That being said, as others have said, "reading order" can be ambiguous. One of the better known examples is {{A|Neal Asher}}'s Polity universe. The author's [https://www.nealasher.co.uk/where-do-i-start-updated/ Web page says]:<br />
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* The consensus of opinion I have gleaned from social media, is that you should start either right at the beginning with Prador Moon and then follow through chronologically, or you should read the first two series I wrote.<br />
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In this case even the author wasn't sure what the best reading order would be and had to consult his fans to come up with possible paths. This ambiguity is already addressed in the Help language above where it says that:<br />
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* series can have multiple possible numbering schemes reflecting the series' publication order, internal chronological order, intended publication order, "author recommended" order, etc. Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error.<br />
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So the first sentence of [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] privileges "reading order" compared to other possible numbering schemes, but the section quoted immediately above effectively takes it back. We should probably clarify Help, which will require a Rules and Standards discussion.<br />
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Also, this Help template doesn't inform editors that prequels can be entered either using "0.1", "0.5", etc or as separate sub-series.<br />
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For now, I would suggest a Community Portal discussion as per the Help section that Marty quoted. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:00, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for all of the feedback. I have made that suggestion to the editor and have also offered to make the post if he is not comfortable doing so. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:22, 17 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== SV removal ==<br />
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In the USD edition of {{P|290822|Dilvish, the Damned}} Reginald3 is correctly SV'd and numbered. In the {{P|10142|Canadian printing}} it has also been SV'd - wrongly. Could someone remove that and mark it N/A. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:42, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== adding a publication ==<br />
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Can a publication listing be added before the item is offered for sale? (i.e., I have obtained an ARC with all relevant info, but the book is not scheduled for publication for a couple more weeks) {{unsigned|Fabius}}<br />
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: The short answer is "yes". To quote [[Help:Screen:NewPub]]:<br />
:* '''Future Publication Dates''' - ISFDB captures records for some publications that have been announced for release in the future.<br />
:** New publications announced for the near future (within the next 90 days) should be given that future publication date.<br />
:** Do not create records for newly announced publications scheduled for release more than 90 days into the future, as these plans often change.<br />
: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: One small note to add - if you are working from an ARC, mention it in the notes (when we work from pre-release records, we note the date for example making it obvious that we are adding pre-publication). Things change between ARCs and the actual book occasionally so that will minimize the risk of us ending with two separate records downstream. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Second set of eyes please. ==<br />
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I've submitted a publication [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5709664 deletion]] that I'd rather not self-approve as it involves someone else's entry and PV. Thank you in advance. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:23, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: After reviewing the data I agree that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?483390 record 483390] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556122 record 556122] apparently describe the same pub. I see that one of them has been verified by you and the other one by [[User:Don Erikson]], who has been inactive for the last 3+ years.<br />
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: One way to handle this situation would be for you to delete "your" pub record, then to primary-verify Don's pub, thus keeping both primary verifications. Would that work for you? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:58, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: An obvious approach. I reloaded the cover image as well. Will deleting a publication automatically get rid of the associated image? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:46, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The only effect deleting the publication has on the wiki page is breaking the link back to the publication. I went ahead and deleted it, mod only function, since you reloaded the image and created a new wiki page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:23, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mouser Goes Below ==<br />
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Hello. After a long while, I have released this edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5374496] for other moderators to have a look. While Willem agrees it's a Novel rather than a Novella, I am not entirely comfortable with affecting the change. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Examining the text in my ebook collection, I see that the submitter is correct: it contains over 64.5K words. I would make it a NOVEL and leave a canned message on the primary verifiers' Talk pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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PS. Real-life hasn't been nice to me the last couple of months, hence my absence from the site. Not sure when/if I will be back... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry to hear about the real life issues! Hopefully things will improve sooner rather than later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I've approved the change to NOVEL and fixed all the translations to be NOVEL types as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:37, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hollowing ==<br />
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Hello Mods. I have a question regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289319 this] publication. I made a note that the book has an appendix, which is an in-universe folk tale of Ryhope Wood by Goerg Huxley - i.e. it's fictional. The tale has a title and a note before it making it appear as if it is an out of universe (i.e. a 'real world') tale. Should I add this as content ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 02:07, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think your treatment is fine, unless we discover the same story ended up published elsewhere. You might adjust the note to call out that it's a fictional appendix, and its credited author, "George Huxley" is an in-universe character. If you did want to make a content entry for it, I think you'd need to title it something like: "<whatever> by George Huxley" and make the author credit be Robert Holdstock. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'll leave it as is and amend the note per your suggestion. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:16, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who to credit ? ==<br />
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Hello Mods. The can of worms of cover design vs cover photo opens again with the two Gollancz editions of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102350 Trillion Year Spree]. I made a note for my trade paperback copy that it states "Jacket design by Don Macpherson (over) Jacket photograph by Peter Letts" on backcover. The hardback credits Macpherson wheres the trade paperback credits Letts. So which one of those two get's the cover art credit ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Macpherson does not get a credit under any circumstances - designers never do. If the hardback only credits "cover: Macpherson", then I'd been inclined to add a "Macpherson (in error)" credit and pseudonym to Letts thus allowing a variant cover and credits as per the books. As long as Letts photographs are on the cover and not the author photo of course. Alternatively, no credit for anyone and just notes (photographs are a bit of a gray area sometimes as Cover Artists but if you decide to credit -- it should be Letts). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:46, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks Annie. Maybe you could tell Makwood that as I tried to ask him what his hardback copy said (ghaving quoted him what mine said). See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Trillion_Year_Spree here] where he states "So, you're saying the jacket front is a photograph, and not a graphic design? Doesn't appear that way to me". Gonna change the credit. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:46, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brainchild ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5716829; I added 2 ID and a note about page count but it insists that I did something with the title which I didn't. Why is that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the raw database data, I see that the main ANTHOLOGY title has a page number, "|1", associated with it. It wasn't displayed when you edited the publication record because the "Page" field is grayed out and not editable for ANTHOLOGY (and other "container") titles. My first guess was that at one point this publication was a NOVEL or another non-container and the non-container title had "|1" assigned to it. Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?297598 Edit History], I see that this pub did have its title type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3992773 changed to ANTHOLOGY on 2018-10-14], which suggests that my guess was correct.<br />
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: Once your submission is approved, the "|1" page number will disappear. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:54, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change required for variant name: Ren Qing -> Channing Ren ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366142 任青] is listed on the Hugo finalist list with the western name "Ren Qing". When I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959764 the tp pub that has their story], I noted that various sources reported them as Channing Ren.<br />
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I've now bought [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960977 the ebook pub], and - Sod's Law - it turns out that Channing Ren is how they are listed in the actual antho, see [https://twitter.com/ErsatzCulture/status/1679946416830001154/photo/1 here].<br />
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Could someone update [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366143 the Ren Qing author record] accordingly please? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:37, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Also, as an FYI, changing the author name in the English Title record from "Ren Qing" to "Channing Ren" would have deleted the "Ren Qing" author record and created a new author record for "Channing Ren". The new author record would then need to be turned into an alternate name of "任青", but it could be done by a self-approver. Not a big deal, just something to keep in mind in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:31, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks; I did wonder if something like that was doable, but I thought better to just punt it here.<br />
:: There's another one coming down the line, which I've put off, because I spent a day trying to get my head round it, and trying to write it up to confirm (a) a consensus for that course of action, and (b) how exactly to tackle it, isn't something I'm relishing. I don't think many westerners have realized there are 2 different Hugo finalists called [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?344566 杨枫] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366182 杨枫(I)], and IMHO we probably have the disambiguations the wrong way round, as the former should probably be an alternate name for 天爵, who isn't in the database yet. Something to look forward too... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:32, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolfe - Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus - novel and novella dating ==<br />
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Whilst editing two of my own English language pubs of this title I noticed some dating which someone, hopefully, can clarify for me.<br />
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There are two novella titles by different translators {{T|1582693|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} and {{T|1699730|1982-05-00 by Eva Malsch}}.<br />
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The novel {{T|1347139|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} dating looks ok as does the Eva Malsch translation but I don't see a 1974-11-00 Yoma Cap novella publication - only the {{P|414367|1984-04-00}} one as the first instance.<br />
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The note in the {{T|1957|1972-04-00}} novel title page refers to the German translations but doesn't help me.<br />
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So, do we treat the novel and the novella as having the same first instance date? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sequence of events as I understand it is as follows:<br />
:* The novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41405 "The Fifth Head of Cerberus"] was published in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25103 ''Orbit 10''] on 1972-02-16.<br />
:* The novella version became Part 1 of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1957 novel version which used the same title], ''The Fifth Head of Cerberus'', and was first published on 1972-04-00.<br />
:* Both the novella version and the novel version were subsequently reprinted by various US/UK publishers.<br />
:* The second part of the novel version was later reprinted as a separate novelette [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''] in a 1994-07-00 anthology. We have it dated "1994-07-00".<br />
:* Yoma Cap's first German translation of the novel version was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347139 ''Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus''] in 1974-11-00.<br />
:* The first part of Yoma Cap's German translation (which corresponds to the novella version of "The Fifth Head of Cerberus") was [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 reprinted in 1984 and then again in 2002]. The title date of this title is currently set to "1974-11-00" and matches the date of the first publication of the German ''novel''.<br />
:* The third (and final) part of the ''English'' novel hasn't been reprinted as a separate novella. However, the third part of Yoma Cap's ''German'' translation was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T.", a separate novella] on 1983-04-00. The title date of this title is currently set to "1983-04-00".<br />
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: The problem then is that we have an inconsistency. The separate English appearance of the second part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''], is currently dated "1994-07-00" and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. Similarly, the separate German appearance of the third part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T."], is dated 1983-04-00 and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. However, the separate German appearance of the novella version (which is the same as the first part of the novel), is dated "1974-11-00", when the novel translation appeared, as opposed to "1984-04-00", which is when the separate German version appeared.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would suggest changing the title date of the novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 "Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus"] from 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:17, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for taking such a careful look at this and your elegant answer. It resolves my uncertainty about novella/novel treatment and confirms where I thought the problem lay - your 6th bullet point homes in on that. I've submitted the change 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00 as you've suggested :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The submission has been approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:44, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mod Bob ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Moderator-availability; Bob should be removed from the list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:58, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:04, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Spencer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131734; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elizabeth-Spencer/e/B01MFH59N3; Last 2 stories are by a young lady with the same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like Stonecreek has already changed their author from "Elizabeth Spencer" to "Elizabeth Spencer (I)". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, except he added her image to webpage field by mistake, so I've just moved it to the right field, pending approval. Also, the older Spencer has a photo under "Movies, TV and Bio" on Amazon but as usual with "S" URL photos like those ISFDB won't accept them with or without the trailing stuff before .jpg, giving an unsupported message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Your submission is approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:08, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete x2 ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the older images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGM2014.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGB2014.jpg here]. Uploaded by mistake. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted as requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:36, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1968198; I added link to Hodder and created a new record for Crowell, it's W. J. Dawson in both, author name neeeds changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawsey ? Hayes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001; I am not entering all of that info again just for a minor publisher name change so if someone knows how to preserve the one sentence in the publisher record then my edit can be un-rejected. Seems to me it would have made more sense to accept the edit and then cut-and-paste the sentence into the publisher record afterwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I first went to the publisher record and changed the name there. Then that portion of your submission effectively became a no-up (changing the existing name to the same thing, so no publisher deletion), so I was able to un-reject it and approve it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Johnsgard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5718012; I made another edit adding all info except name change, cover artists entered with alternate name for the man so after it's accepted that can be used as the parent, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Change made and submissions approved. Submit an edit to import the cover art credit into the tp and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SJS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=solomon+j&type=Name; 1 credit each for the last 2 guys, your decision which is parent and which is variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:23, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?360672 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:28, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Islands in the Sky cover art ==<br />
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Entry for cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?652621 this] publication shows two different images, although the spacestation is the same the approaching rocket has been replaced by a boy on the 1984 edition - both images are by Peter Andrew Jones. Should the later edition's image not be seperated out and varianted ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:40, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We variant for author, title, language and title type (artwork & serials only). We do not variant for a difference in the artwork. It's the same and we merge or it isn't. The same meaning "all or part of one appears in the other". [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:47, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Alrighty. I only queried since there is a substantial difference between the one signed 'PAJ 80 Solar Wind' and the one signed 'PAJ 81' --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If you think they are different enough, you can unmerge them and add notes on the reasons for it. I think they fall under our "is contained in" or "is part of" rule so they are ok as they are but the rules in that area can be interpreted differently. As John mentioned, they cannot be variants though so the choice is between what we have now and 2 separate unconnected entries. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. I made a note in regards to the difference on the publication, plus the difference is obvious when viewing the cover art entry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Matheson's Musings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Zapp#Musings; Do mods agree that it should be changed to an essay? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:26, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author name change needed ==<br />
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The spelling for author LJ Cohen is currently "L. J. Cohen" [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?203069 sic]. Would a moderator please change it to her preferred spelling of "LJ Cohen"? That is the spelling she uses on her [https://www.ljcohen.net/ website] and which appears on the titles currently recorded in ISFDB. I think the current spelling is a holdover from old spelling rules. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The rules are still valid especially because these are initials (so not really old spelling rules) - but they also allow for author's preference to take precedence. I've changed it and added a note on the page so someone does not "fix" it. As you are the only PV of any of her book I saw, consider this also a notification for the changed in your PVd book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:54, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== (Slightly) clashing pending edits for author Juleen Brantingham ==<br />
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I just submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5730414 5730414], but I get a yellow warning for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730402 5730402] which makes a similar change. My edit is a superset of the latter - adds a more details place of birth, obit link and expanded note - so could someone reject 5730402, or at least apply it before my edit 5730414 gets applied, so nothing gets lost? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Approved them in the correct sequence. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:17, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Horus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722514; Can someone change the publisher to Horus Publishing? After that's done will that lead to unrejecting my edit? Because I've done hundreds since then and it's kind of hard to remember what I did for a single edit days or weeks ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: All good now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:27, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Architecture of Desire ==<br />
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Entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518517 this] cover art has combined three entirely different pieces of art by Chris Brown. Note that [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0e/BKTG04149.jpg this] is not the same as [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/e5/BKTG04151.jpg this] - there are substanial diferences between the two pieces. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:53, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are definitely different. I've separated them into the three pieces. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:44, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:23, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Printing ==<br />
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http://www.cars101.com/firstid.html; I think this would be helpful; I have a pending edit adding a Random House book which starts with 2 in the number line but it's not a 2nd printing, that's how they started their lines for much of their history. Can this be added to Help or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reeves-Stevens - Phase II: The Lost Series ==<br />
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The coverart credit as it stands {{P|32543|here}} is wrong, can we have help from a moderator to sort it out? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:How is it wrong? Have you contacted [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] to see what it states on the copyright page? Is there separate art on the front and back covers? If it's a mashup up two pieces of art, each by one of the two credited artists, the listing is correct. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jem ==<br />
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There seems to be two entries for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117921 this] publication. The note for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322056 this] version also has a 1980 printing and a £1.50 price and points to (presumably) the true 1980 printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?JMRCPBTPGS1980 here]. Can't determine what the difference between the two entries could possibly be. Thoughts ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:36, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accidental cover upload ==<br />
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Hello Mods I inadvertantly uploaded the hardback cover art for a paperback edition (that'll teah me to look first). Title in question is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27997 Return to Eden]. If someone could revert it back to what it was previously that' be great. I have uploaded it to the correct hardback edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Reverted. I also approved your submission adding the image to the Grafton hc. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:24, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg; My cover doesn't show up but neither does the cover someone else uploaded last year. Can someone get my cover to show up? Also, I made an edit adding editor as cover artist so can you approve that, too. You also may want to check to see if the other person uploaded a cover for the American edition (different title) because there's no cover there, either. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== TCASFW Discussion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#TCASFW; When one of you approves my edit you can discuss with this PV what you'd like to do. I think their final message is that one of their volumes has a dash and one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:46, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding image credit , please ==<br />
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Good day,<br />
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I need help.<br />
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I would like to have an INTERIOR ART CREDIT added for Author record # 269730 ; Carl Lavoie.<br />
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It’s in the recent<br />
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Vastarien: A Literary Journal. Vol. 6, Issue 1<br />
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and it’s the frontispiece illustration, ‘The Evil Eye'.<br />
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Here’s a link to a sample of the issue, the illustration is right after the cover page:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/Vastarien-Literary-Journal-vol-issue/dp/B0CBT4B6D1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28D1CYLFVH4XL&keywords=vastarien+literary&qid=1692175645&sprefix=%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-1&asin=B0CBT4B6D1&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1<br />
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And here’s a link to the publisher, listing the content of the recent issue:<br />
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https://grimscribepress.com/issues/<br />
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Thank you. And have a wonderful day.<br />
-Carl Lavoie<br />
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: Thank you for getting interested in our little project. However, it seems as if the issue you refer to hasn't been added yet; the latest one I can find is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?872536 this] from 2021.<br />
: But before you or someone else becomes active and enters it: this seems to be a general literary journal which then wouldn't be eligible per se to ISFDB (which is devoted to speculative fiction); for such a journal only the speculative fiction items, the artwork illustrating them, and essays referring to speculative fiction would be allowed to be included in the entry (see [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions these definitions]. Please think about it, and then think if you'd like to get help to add the publication in question. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:18, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Frederick, Chambers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5746601; I came across Quick Action by Robert W. Chambers and added links (and a Canadian reprint) and then decided to enter links and stuff for other Chambers books illustrated by Frederick. Ran into trouble immediately because Tracer of Lost Persons is as by "R. W. Chambers" so if someone can approve my edit so it can be made a variant and month added to title record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:54, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MRC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2970668; An Archive.org link was recently upped for his 2014 novel so I added a link then I saw that his recent novel didn't have cover art in both editions so I imported it, then I noticed that the cover artist, who is also the author, didn't have a period added after R so it's a separate record. Since R with a period has bio info that means if I add a period it will erase the info, I think, so if one of you can add it without erasing the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I fixed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK) ==<br />
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I'm editing {{P|178073|Asimov's Extraterrestrials}} and on the title page is stated "Dragon [over] Grafton Books [over] A Division of the Collins Publishing Group". We have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27309 Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK)] but my understanding is that we don't record the owners (Collins) of the publishers (Grafton). If that's correct, the four publications (also 1986) listed in that category should be "Dragon / Grafton" (as imprint / publisher). If moderators agree, that's what I propose using in the Publisher field for my edit (and I could also amend the four other publications to the same). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:40, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Not hearing any objections, I'll wait another few days and then implement the above. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:54, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== With/with ==<br />
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I happened to notice that a mod is correcting "With" to "with" in a lot of records. Is there some way to trawl all the records and automatically correct wrongly capitalized words (or vice versa) with a patch or something? Seems like that would be helpful and save a lot of time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multiple Archive.org Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756500; Can a mod approve my edits for Number 87 from the first one linked above and ending with 5756519? I want to know if adding the second Archive.org link which someone added to the title records instead of the Macmillan edition's record will erase the much more recent link, uploaded this year, which I added in my first edit. On a side note, author's collection Thoughts in Prose and Verse also has been linked, no contents, in case anyone cares to read it and enter genre stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Does everything look as you intended? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:32, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, I don't know, I've completely confused myself. I see one title record still has old link that I removed and I missed another Macmillan link, so I've removed it again and added new link. I don't even think my note above was correct because the new link is for the UK edition so it wouldn't erase the US link. Forget it, I can't do this stuff anymore, 2 more links to approve when you get a chance, someone else will have to take a look and make sure links are where they're supposed to be along with everything else, I'm done. I've got to get out of here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== image delete request ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the old (04:13 hrs) image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DRKBNDCTNF2015.jpg here]. (edit) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:ErsatzCulture#Miller_-_Dark_Benediction this discussion]. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:15, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Kev, You wish to delete the cover with 'jr' correct? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:43, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that's the one. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:20, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine-Thirty O'Clock in the Morning ==<br />
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Curious what happened to the usual 5-minute or so delay at 9:30 every morning. It didn't happen today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The daily backups run between 9:30am and 9:35am. The database is unavailable until they finish.<br />
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: On 2023-08-30 the backup process was modified to exclude a large and fast growing database table which didn't need to be backed up in the first place. An error was introduced while making the change, which caused the backups to fail on 2023-08-31. The error was corrected the same day and the backups have been running smoothly ever since. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:29, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deagol ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Deagol; I added my first-ever message to this PV and noticed all messages are in italics or a weird font or something. Probably not important but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's bizarre. I can't see anything on that page that would cause everything to be in italics. I can't find any other page that are like that, either. I'm guessing it's something that went funky on the backend. We'd have to have Al or Ahasuerus look at it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Nevermind, I found it. While it shouldn't have affected the entire page (it should have only affected the part after it), I removed the italics from the page with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADeagol&type=revision&diff=670207&oldid=670204 this edit]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:29, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Here's another page; https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Clarkmci. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pastel City. ==<br />
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Hello mods. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1868818 This] interior art is the same artwork as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2251327 this] title record. I'd also like to rename the interior art record from "The Great Rebellion [1]" to "CA 440 Minifreighter" (as per art caption in Cowley's Great Space Battles). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:38, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If there is a caption (or a title somewhere) in the book, then yes, rename and use that - captions and titles from inside of the books are always used when known instead of the standard [] notation. If the title was coming from a secondary source, we would just add it into the notes but if it is in the book, go ahead and rename. And variant it to the cover :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:30, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You may want to participate at [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F|this Rules and standards discussions]]. As pointed out in that discussion, the current rules do not include using the caption / title (though that has become a common practice) and so far there has not been agreement to change the rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:00, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Will do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:45, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1))<br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy<br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb<br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original)<br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original)<br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb<br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb<br />
page 155 Futureboro (original)<br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction:<br />
The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page <br />
to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books {{unsigned|RogerSSS}}<br />
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== Protocol for working on recently added/changed publications ==<br />
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There has always been potential for moderators unknowingly working on the same set of submissions. Early on we added the ability to put submissions "on hold" in order to mitigate this problem. Later, we added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent_activity_menu.cgi Recent Activity] page and, even more recently, "Edit History", which helps avoid confusion and cross-approvals.<br />
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At the same time, the recent implementation of the "self-approver" system significantly increased the number of editors who can approve submissions. Earlier today we had a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eccentric_Orbits:_An_Anthology_of_Scienc collision] between a moderator working on new submissions and a self-approver who noticed the new publication and tried to improve it while the moderator was still researching it. The result was a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?970089 mishmash of approvals].<br />
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What should be the standard for moderators and self-approvers working on recently approved records which the original approver may still be researching? Since we now have Edit History, should it be something like:<br />
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* Before correcting/adding data to a publication record, check its Edit History. If the record has been created or modified within the last 24 (12? 48? 72?) hours, check with the last approving moderator to see if the record is still being researched.<br />
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? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider it always a good idea to talk to the editors and moderators that had worked on a record that still need work before changing the work of people -- sometimes they have an edit staying in a browser and never submitted, sometimes they just had not had a chance to get back to the record to fix it (or got distracted) and sometimes it is a misunderstanding of the rules on someone's part - the person trying to improve or the editor who started it or simply a disagreement on how things need to be entered where the rules allow editor's discretion. And especially if the submitter is a new(ish) user and there is no note from the handling moderator on their page yet but I think it is common courtesy in all cases. Asking for 24 hours grace period is a good first step I guess. Adding to that the requirement for communication before the edits are done will be even better - and will also help getting our editors closer to being self-sustaining. I did not think that we need to put that in writing but apparently it is not as self-evident as I always assumed it to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Could we add a flag to each record that gets set when a change is submitted, and then removed 25 hours after the submission is approved (and removed if a submission is declined)? Then the system could display a note on the edit page for any record that has that flag set. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, if the goal is to display a warning when an editor tries to edit a publication record that has been modified within the last 24 hours, then it can be done without adding new flags. We already have Edit History; it would be easy to modify the software to check it and display a warning. We'll just need to decide on what the warning should say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Mountain being made out of a molehill. No need to add bureaucracy and development effort for a problem that rarely happens. This is a collaborative project which means people could occasionally work on the same items, but, in practice, it rarely happens in a short period of time. People should not feel possessive about their edits. An equally valid solution would be for moderators to put edits on hold and do their research prior to accepting the submission. That way they can make the corrections immediately after accepting the submission. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Let me just clarify that adding a note along the lines of "This Publication was last edited by X and approved by Y on 2023-09-12 at 12:34pm" to EditPub forms affecting recently edited publications would be quite simple. We already have all of the requisite data in a readily accessible location within the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Apparently the definition of possessive, as used in the above comment, is the approving moderator making the necessary changes and/or communicating with the submitting user immediately after approval. Isn't that exactly our responsibility? If not please enlighten me. I don't believe a software solution is necessary. It would surprise me if anyone else would decide to edit a publication immediately after its initial approval. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Re: "edit[ing] a publication immediately after its initial approval", I have come close to accidentally colliding with other editors/moderators a few times. I am subscribed to Amazon's automatic notifications for certain authors. When they publish new books, Amazon sends me an email. Sometimes other editors/moderators buy the same books the day they are published and enter them into the database at around the same time. I don't think it has caused any issues yet, especially now that we have additional yellow warnings, but it's been close a few times. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:09, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: It doesn't take a moderator to know we cannot edit submissions, but must approve them and then make corrections. The comment about research before approval is also incorrect. I had identified the changes I wanted to make. However it took me eight minutes to enter the corrections and the notes to moderator , review and post. P.S. I would have promptly replied to a query as to status.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::This proposal is for a 24-hour period. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:46, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then propose a shorter window. The last time an editor (sitting on the recent updates queue and jumping as soon as they thought they saw something they MUST update now), made a merge on a story in an anthology of 20 titles or more, most of which required updates in the titles and authors (capitalization and spaces an so on) and follow-up merges and my edit had to be redone from scratch because the merge deleted the title ID - thus making the edit unworkable. I did not raise the question back then - I just redid the edit, posted for the new editor (first edit by them -- and anthologies tend to be... not fun) and then walked away for the day. It was not the first time that had happened. If common courtesy won't regulate that and it does happen more often than once in a blue moon, then we will need to spell out some rules. It is not about being possessive or not doing research before approval - it is about giving a moderator the needed time to do their post-approval edits before losing their time and forcing them to either redo the edit from scratch or look through multiple edits to see if something conflicted somewhere and a second edit is required. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The above proposal doesn't address your scenario. A title merge is not a publication edit so wouldn't get the proposed warning. Collisions can happen without people sitting on the recent updates queue & without editing the same pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:54, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: It does - when the merge is because someone opened the recently created publication and looked for duplicates and decided to "help", that is exactly the issue at hand. Collisions always happen - and we all learn to live with them. But these are easily avoidable with a bit of common courtesy (or with a rule that says not to do it - if nothing else works). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Standards question has reached an impasse ==<br />
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Three verifiers cannot reach agreement regarding current standards. The question revolves around the publication pages field and content titles page field. Please help resolve the impasse [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#1634:_The_Bavarian_Crisis here] Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Mandelo, Revisited ==<br />
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Although we view the Lee Mandelo name change as closed, this has not been the case in the general public. In particular, the ISFDB Wikipedia article has recently used Jason Sanford's article about the Lee Mandelo situation as factual evidence of an issue, and I would like to post actual counter evidence of what actually happened. As such, I've been working on two documents. The first is a post-mortem of the situation, which provides a detailed timeline of every submission and communication which is related to the name change. It then summarizes the system issues and potential recommendations. Once the post-mortem is finalized I will post an Open Letter to the SF Community, which will reference that post-mortem.<br />
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The intention of this two articles is to provide a reference-quality document that can be added as a reference to Wikipedia, if needed. So I'd like the documents to be clean, and not contain large sections of indented discussions. There definitely should be discussions, but not within those documents. The first document is available now at:<br />
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* [[User:Alvonruff/A_Post-Mortem_on_the_Lee_Mandelo_Name_Change]]<br />
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Discussion about the document can occur here. Feel free to directly correct any grammar/spelling errors. Detailed discussions about the potential implementation of the recommendations should take place in the usual locations. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 10:42, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Is this discussion only open to moderators? I appreciate Community Portal can be noisy, but assuming that this discussion is open to all ISFDB stakeholders, maybe have a link on that page here at least? <br />
: (Super trivial observation: maybe fix the "Revisted" typo in the item title, before there are any links pointing at the wrong title?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:00, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Fine with me to move the discussion so that it is open to all. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 15:08, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Organizing all of the publicly available data -- submissions, Wiki discussions, etc -- as a timeline sounds like a reasonable idea.<br />
::: One thing that we may want to consider is how the ISFDB project communicates with the outside world. Currently, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_other_Web_sites_and_social_media_accounts_does_the_ISFDB_use.3F the ISFDB FAQ says]:<br />
:::* ''What other Web sites and social media accounts does the ISFDB use?''<br />
:::* ISFDB administrators may post announcements on [http://isfdb.blogspot.com/ this Blogspot] Web page in case of extended unscheduled downtime or connectivity problems. There are no other official or ISFDB-endorsed Web sites, Web pages or social media accounts. Non-ISFDB Web sites and social media accounts maintained by individual ISFDB contributors (editors, moderators and administrators) are independent of the ISFDB and are not endorsed by it.<br />
::: This policy was originally formulated in part due to the existence of Web sites/Web pages like [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb this Facebook page] which uses the ISFDB name and images without clarifying that it is not affiliated with the ISFDB project.<br />
::: The policy means that our project is currently a closed system with no Web/social media presence aside from the ISFDB Web site and no official communications with the outside world except by individual ISFDB contributors acting on their own.<br />
::: If we are to change this approach, we will presumably want to formulate an official communications strategy first. Something like an official social media account, perhaps? (I don't use social media outside of Web/Usenet forums which discuss SF, so I may not be the best person to come up with ideas.)<br />
::: Alternatively, Al could post an "open letter" as an individual. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:12, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::One thing we need to do is try to work with Sanford to correct his information in [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/genre-grapevine-for-december-31-2022 his post]. At least based on the timeline Al posted, the first time a concern was posted in one of the public forums here is on Dec 14, 2022 by the author in question, and everything was handled within less than a week. So saying ISFDB "fought against changing Lee Mandelo’s name in the site’s author listing for over a year" is rather a stretch. As noted, we should find a way to make it more clear when we will change a canonical name, but we certainly weren't "fighting" against changing it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: A new section, "How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?", was [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AFAQ&type=revision&diff=651853&oldid=651852 added to the ISFDB FAQ] on 2022-12-26 based on this and previous discussions. Can anyone think of additional ways to increase its visibility? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:13, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Additionally, Sanford describes Username as a moderator, which is not and has never been the case. At the very least, his comment was certainly insensitive, but Sanford should do his homework before trying to smear the moderators. Simply checking the list at the top of the Moderator noticeboard would have clarified that point. The "bad publicity" really had nothing to do with us making the change. It was the author posting here and making a request. Once we were made aware there was an issue, we discussed it and quickly made the updates (as noted, within less than a week from being made aware of the issue). The majority of that less-than-a-week was sorting out exactly what needed to be done to make all the changes as it's not a simple thing to do, and things have to be done in a specific order in order to not make it even more difficult to update. <br />
::::I think having an official Twitter/X and/or Facebook account would be good as those are the two largest social media platforms for publishing-related things. The Blogspot site is fine, but no one is going to think of looking there since it's rather obscure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Excuse me, how did I get roped into this nonsense? Some trans activists try to bully this site into changing someone's "dead" name and it's my fault now? What comment are you referring to? I do more edits and leave more messages here than everyone else combined --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To clarify: as of last morning, of the 234,773 submissions approved in 2023, 17,359 (7.4%) were created by [[User:Username|Username]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:41, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: so mentioning a singular thing I said a long time ago is pointless because I wouldn't remember it, anyway. Quote me what I supposedly said. EDIT: Never mind, Mr. Sanford quoted me on his Substack page where I quite logically inquired as to what would happen if Mandelo decided their transition was a mistake and wanted to transition back; would Mandelo and all the assorted friends bully ISFDB into changing everything back to Brit? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F current policy] is:<br />
::::::* The name chosen to be the canonical name is the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre.<br />
:::::: Lee Mandelo provided evidence that the "most recognized name within the SF genre" was "Lee Mandelo". Once we confirmed it, we changed the canonical name as per the policy, not because the author requested it. Whether the policy should be changed to account for author preferences is a different issue and fodder for the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: There are countless people online who have said their transition was the result of peer pressure or mental/emotional confusion or bad parents/doctors who encouraged them to transition for their own personal/monetary reasons and, tragically, many of them have already had body parts removed that they'll never be able to replace. Pretending otherwise is choosing not to accept reality. If Mandelo feels like their transition will be permanent and they're happy with that, fine. ISFDB is a gigantic site and highly disorganized; expecting it to run smoothly for one person is unreasonable. The delay in changing the name was due to a complete breakdown in communication, not because of transphobia. I reject terms like "bigoted" and "insensitive" to describe my remark; an apology will suffice. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To my shame, I didn't say anything publicly when this kicked off originally - instead choosing to walk away from any association with this site for several months - but quite frankly, I feel that this site would be better off without you. All the edits you do to fix bad data are great in themselves, but I don't think they are worth all the aggravation you cause. If I recall correctly, at least one moderator refuses to work on your edits, and numerous other moderators and editors have had run-ins with you over your edits and general attitude. You've promised on numerous occasions that you intend to leave this site, any chance you can fulfill those promises?<br />
:::::: It's one thing when that stuff is kept internal to this wiki, but when it explodes into the public domain, like it did last December, then all of us get tarred with the same brush, which is why I walked away then. I have numerous issues with what "the other side" did last December - e.g. Sanford's apparent lack of any sort of reaching out to get the ISFDB side of the story; the fact that (as IIRC Scifibones also found) 5 minutes of investigation disproved the claim that the deadname wasn't being still being used for publications (although it looks like some/most of them have finally been updated) - but it's hard to defend the ISFDB position when you had utterly poisoned the discourse. If you don't believe the comments you posted were utterly inflammatory, can I suggest you step out of your FoxNews/Daily Wire/Newsmax/whatever bubble, and understand that you can't talk to people that way?<br />
:::::: Maybe I'll get attacked or censured for this comment, but quite frankly, I'd rather that happen, than have been silent on this. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:03, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: [[User:Username|Username]] has been warned about being abrasive and about personal attacks, e.g. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Warning_re:_the_last_exchange_with_Willem_H._on_the_Community_Portal here]. However, the ideal outcome is not to drive abrasive editors away, it is to help them improve their ability to communicate with other editors to ensure that the project functions smoothly. If it doesn't work, then [[ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy]], which provides for escalating penalties for misconduct up to and including an indefinite block, comes into play. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Re-reading [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]], I have a few suggestions:<br />
* "14 December 2022" where it says "Mandelo posts a request to the Moderator Noticeboard". I suggest linking [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display the Moderator Noticeboard discussion].<br />
* Same day where it says "A 4-day bibliographic discussion follows with numerous open questions, with responses from Mandelo." I suggest adding that the current standard -- "For authors who publish under multiple names, the canonical name is the most recognized name for that author within the genre" -- was explained to Lee Mandelo who then provided evidence supporting the notion that, as of 2022-12, the "most recognized name" was indeed "Lee Mandelo". That's what triggered the canonical name change.<br />
* The "Recommendations" section of [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]] suggests the following change to the canonical name policy:<br />
** The Canonical Name of a living author should only be changed at the request of the author in question.<br />
* This would be a fairly major policy change which would affect a number of scenarios. For example, we have received canonical author change requests based on authors trying to promote new working names. To quote what I wrote during the 2022-12 discussion:<br />
** It's been occasionally proposed that we make exceptions to our canonical name policy for certain types of scenarios. For example, {{A|Debora Geary}} published ''A Modern Witch'', a series of popular urban fantasies, in 2011-2013. Then, after a painful divorce, she removed all of them from Amazon and restarted her career as Audrey Faye. A few years ago she published a non-fiction account of her recovery after divorce ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835287 Sleeping Solo: One Woman's Journey Into Life After Marriage]) in which she explained why she could no longer be associated with the name "Debora Geary". Another example would be a person converting to another religion and changing his or her name to reflect new beliefs. Changing one's gender would be another scenario which has been discussed a few times, including [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Canonical_names_for_transgender_authors an extensive Rules and Standards discussion in September 2018].<br />
** So far these discussions of possible exceptions have failed to lead to a new consensus, in part because of the number of possible scenarios and sub-scenarios. For example, consider {{A|Poppy Z. Brite}}, who has been using the name "Billy Martin" socially since the early 2010s, but whose books continue to be published as by "Poppy Z. Brite".<br />
* We will need to discuss the proposed change on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page.<br />
[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:23, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In my opinion, the best part about the current policy is that it is quantitative/qualitative and not subjective. We did not use "Brit Mandelo" because of someone's whim or someone's views on Mondelo's gender identity or even popular vote. Technically, the switch from Brit to Lee as canonical was made because the underlying measure of primary identification changed over time and "Lee Mandelo" supplanted "Brit Mandelo". I don't think we should have a blanket policy that authors or their agents can request changes. That's another form of whim, and the ISFDB's purpose is not advertising for authors or publishers. Perhaps one thing we could consider, though, is a policy allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change. E.g., if "ABC" came to us and said "I changed my name to 'XYZ', and all of my books are being pulled from the shelves and are being reissued using that name. Could 'XYZ' be configured as my canonical name?" ISFDB could then project the future and perhaps act early. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:19, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Re: "allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change", we ran into an issue in this area back in the late 2010s.<br />
::: In 2015 the author who had published the "Vladimir Tod/Slayer Chronicles" series as {{A|Heather Brewer}} [https://ew.com/article/2015/06/25/heather-brewer-zac-brewer-transgender/ changed the name] to "Zac Brewer". There were plans to republish Brewer's old books under the new name and at least one SF story was indeed published that way. Based on that, an ISFDB editor proposed that we change the canonical name to "Zac Brewer" with the expectation that it would soon become the "most recognized name ... within the genre". At the time we decided to wait and see what would happen in another year or two.<br />
::: As it turned out, the name "Zac Brewer" was used on 2 non-genre novels in 2016-2017, but all new speculative fiction (2 novels and 1 story) appeared as by "Z Brewer". I guess it goes to show that making assumptions about future releases is chancy in the publishing business. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I agree. Keeping the policy as objective as possible is a good thing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:43, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]], thanks for a very nice job on the timeline. I'm not sure anything posted on social media ever changed anyone's opinion, but it accurately documents the facts. Sections 3 and 4 are better served as the kickoff to the Rules and Standards discussion and should not be included in the public release. A subsequent post documenting our reasoning and any changes is a better course. Anyone interested can follow and/or participate in the R & S discussions (I anticipate multiple threads). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], If you are going to link this thread to the letter, I suggest starting the main thread and moving [[User:MartyD|MartyD's]] & [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe's]] posts there. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:54, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I agree that discussions of the current canonical name policy and any proposed changes belong on the Rules and Standards page. I am just waiting for Al to chime in and clarify whether he meant to propose a change. If he did, then we can move the policy part of the discussion there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:00, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: For Al's postmortem, I think it would be helpful to quote the first paragraph of the '''Canonical Name''' definition from [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] and to summarize the "enter-name-as-it-appears-in-the-publication" policy and provide links to [[Template:TitleFields:Author]] and [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] prior to getting into the timeline. That is the working context for the data present in the system and various events that occurred during the timeline. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:32, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: That's a good point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Review of" ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412925; While my editing which ended after Labor Day won't resume full-time until October I did, after a week without any edits, start doing a few handfuls of clean-up edits fixing this or that which lately have been almost entirely related to D. F. Lewis. I just came across an interesting situation which a mod should probably take care of because it's a 2-step process, changing ESSAY to REVIEW and then link review from the menu, which mods can approve instantly instead of me doing one step and then waiting for approval before doing the other step. Nemonymous 3 mentioned in the review in the zine linked above is on ISFDB, titled Gold Coin; the issue of New Genre is also here as is the issue of Gigamesh. The last non-linked review is of a Norwegian novel whose title translates as a ghost story so that book almost certainly is eligible and should be entered here and then the review linked to it. That one may require someone with a knowledge of the language. I tried to figure out how to search for all instances of "review of" in All Hallows issues but I couldn't do it. Maybe someone else knows how or, if not, an issue-by-issue check will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pohl - Gateway ==<br />
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Has anybody any suggestions how [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rudam#Pohl_-_Gateway this situation] might be resolved. No progress has been made as the PV is unresponsive. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image Deletion ==<br />
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Could a moderator please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THBKFSTRND2014.jpg this image]. The licensing tag information is incorrect. After the deletion, I will re-upload with correct tag. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:47, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. You could have edited the tag BTW :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't realise I could do it myself. Thanks for the image deletion and the heads up re editing the licence tag. I have now figured out how to do it for the future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:44, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shutdown ==<br />
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Library of Congress has an ominous red warning about what will happen if the U.S. government shuts down a few days from now. Will anything on this site be affected or will it make no difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:57, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The only effect will be not being able to look up LCCNs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LOTR Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3078415; Another editor added an archived link to the Canadian edition recently but nobody ever added a link to the USA edition which has been there since 2010 so I just added it. The title is in question because it's written in fancy font on title pages; PV Auric seemed to think Film Book should be 2 words but other editions are Filmbook. So which should it really be, and should Part I be removed from USA title since it's not actually part of the title in the book? PV doesn't respond very often so I thought I'd bring it up here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for Voyage of Mael Duin's Curragh ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49434; I just had my edit adding an archived link and fixing cover artist/adding interior artist but after looking at it I realized dates are off because Locus, https://www.locusmag.com/index/b1.htm, has one of those 2-date things and someone entered book as October but title and cover art are September, with my new interior art credit matching the book's October date. What's the rule? Which date should they all be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:What does it state on the copyright page? If it includes a month, that's what we should use. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:04, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::No, there's no month, if there was that would take precedence over Locus. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art credit removal ==<br />
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As we don't credit designers for coverart, would moderators agree to removing Michniewicz's titles from {{P|129031|here}} and {{P|174091|here}}? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:50, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2000/b5.htm#A119.2 Locus1] credits Michniewicz for the first one's cover. Since he is PV for both, you could try reaching out to Michael (use the ISFDB to send him mail) and see if he'll respond and offer an opinion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:34, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Unfortunately I can't use the email system (it won't work with my provider, even though Ahasuerus has tried to fix it for me) so the only possibility there is if some kind soul would email him for me.<br />
::As far as I can ascertain from all the pub notes, Michniewicz is credited as designer for a lot of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?168 the series] for the simple graphics. It is only for later issues where Gollancz have incorporated actual artwork that the artists get credit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:29, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Any other help please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:03, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I would leave a note on [[User talk:Mhhutchins]] re: the proposed changes. If there is no response after a week, we can remove the COVERART titles and document the designers in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've left a message on his talk page. Thank you for the advice! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:10, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Goss ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?239252; 2 different guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:39, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Goat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?882813; Can a mod take a look at those last 2 edits? I see at least a few problems with ID and web links; maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow Edits ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MOHearn#Return_of_the_Shadow; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5782555; I contacted MOHearn but we have some cross-editing going on so if I can ask one of you to approve my edits (assuming there's no problem with any of them) starting with the one linked above and going through 5782728 (there's 4 non-Shadow edits from 5782649 through 5782652; ignore those) so we can put these behind us. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== El Topo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5784269; HC copy uploaded recently, I'm going to add it (I added that paper edition a while ago) but wanted to get this edit approved first assuming mods agree it should be a chapbook since novelization is only 80-something pages with the rest being non-fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning up English translations of RUR ==<br />
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Hi all, I'm in the process of cleaning up the English translations of {{A|Karel Čapek|161}}'s {{T|2218756|RUR}}. This has led to a bunch of related edit submissions ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791148 5791148], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791149 5791149], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791151 5791151], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791157 5791157], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791159 5791159], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791160 5791160], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791188 5791188]), several of which will involve follow-up edits.<br />
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That said, I'm not quite sure how to approach cleaning up one of the existing {{T|1156033|chapbook}} / {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} pairs. There are 3 associated publications: {{P|328124}}, {{P|362654}}, {{P|529466}}.<br />
* '''{{P|328124}}''' is an English translation by David Short that I expect is distinct from the other two publications.<br />
* '''{{P|362654}}''' is an English translation by David Wyllie that is currently mapped to the wrong title(s) based on viewing the publication's title page via a reading sample from Amazon (see edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995]).<br />
* '''{{P|529466}}''' is a seemingly unknown English translation from Amazon's on-demand (self-)publisher. I haven't been able to find much trace of this particular edition online. I'm guessing this is likely a reprint of the out-of-copyright translation by Paul Selver possibly further adapted by Nigel Playfair.<br />
Do the following actions seem appropriate for this situation?<br />
# Unmerge {{P|328124}} and associate with new variant chapbook and shortfiction titles (distinct translation by David Short)<br />
# Unmerge {{P|362654}} and associate with different variant {{T|1114927|chapbook}} and {{T|1314651|shortfiction}} titles (distinct translation by David Wyllie)<br />
# Leave {{P|529466}} as is, but update associated {{T|1156033|chapbook}} and {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} titles to note that this is an unknown translation.<br />
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Thanks! --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 14:03, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep - when we know the translators of a specific book, unmerge the chapbook and the story, make them variants and add the translator to the notes of both titles. We had been slowly chipping at the early messes such as this one, created long before we started recording translators on the title level - so thanks for sorting it out. I also tend to add a "This title may contain multiple distinct translations" note or something to that effect to the one with unknown translators - when there is more than one book anyway. If two unknowns are known to be different, we also unmerge them and add as much as we know on their notes to identify what goes where... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:23, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Jules Verne has lots of examples of multiple translations in various languages. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:29, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks, that makes sense. I mainly wanted to check how to handle this particular instance because I expected the translator could be identified if someone checked this particular edition. Jules Verne is a good (although more complex) example that I'll keep in mind when I clean up future translation records. --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 17:45, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: We are playing catch-up on these -- for a long time, we did not separate or record per translator - so since we started, it had been a never ending game of finding all of them. And the ones translated into English are the most problematic due to the volume - in most other languages, we are mostly done with adding the Translator template which required the messes to be untangled. There are corners of the DB like that - where you will find surprises you would think cannot happen. Jules Verne looks as good as he does because Doug spent months fixing the records. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Old cover image delete ==<br />
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Could someone please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MCKNGBRDPV0000.jpg the old image], Date/Time: - 11:47, 23 February 2014 - to prevent reverting. The new image is identical but larger. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:26, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:20, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Annie! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Invaders by Adelia Saunders ==<br />
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This concerns the cover art shown for Publication Record # 777558, Invaders by Vaughn Heppner<br />
The cover art shows the author to be Adelia Saunders. She did not write a book called Invaders. She did write one called Indelible.<br />
I went over to Brilliance Audio. This is just a generic cover they use. Its the same cover for Invader by C.J. Cherryh, Artemis Invaded by Jane Lindskoid and a number of others including The Spirit of Dorsai, By Gordon R. Dickson [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 19:51, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?777558 Updated], thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derived prices in early Bantam Books ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25 Bantam Books] was founded in 1945 and concentrated on publishing mass market paperbacks. As far as I can tell, early on they didn't display prices on the cover or on the spine. However, some (all?) of them, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''''The Day He Died''], had ad pages in the back with one or more lists of books which you could buy by sending $0.25 plus $0.05 for postage to the publisher's address. I suppose it's likely that the list price was also $0.25, although it's not a guarantee.<br />
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Some online sources explicitly state that the list price was "$0.25", but I don't know where their data comes from. Some of our records also display "$0.25" in the price field, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''], which has the following note:<br />
* No price stated, but ad pages for current releases list $0.25 price.<br />
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Clearly, this situation requires an explanation in the Note field, but what would you enter in the price field? $0.25? Leave it blank? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:11, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems ok to me to use $0.25 and treat the ad as a secondary source. If we had a book with no printed price on it, found a review (or announcement) contemporaneous with its issuance, and that review stated a price, I think we would normally be happy to use that and cite the review as the source. The ad situation strikes me as equivalent. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:03, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree. As long as there is a note explaining the sourcing of the price, this is not different from finding a price on a publisher site, a contemporary review or any other secondary source. If we ever find a better information that contradicts the price as derived via such a method for that specific book, the note can be adjusted and the price changed if needed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:44, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to Ahasuerus for following up my discussion with him and getting this cleared up. Here's a list, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=contains&TERM_2=Latham&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=Bantam&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], of all Bantam books PV by Scott Latham; he entered prices for all of them and there's a note in the third book that he got the price from Tuck. EDIT: In the 4th book there's a note, "Price from ads in the back, listing other Bantam titles all for 25¢", so it seemed random whether there's no price note or where he got it from if he did leave a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:56, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think this is fine. A note should be included stating where the price was from, but I have no problem sourcing prices that way. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Thanks, folks. I have updated the publication record, deleted a duplicate pub and notified the affected verifier. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Can we have some clarification please because I am confused by this discussion.<br />
:Ahasuerus' initial post implied to me that we are looking at a situation where an unpriced book contains a house ad listing other books for sale from the publisher. All these books are listed with an identical price but the list does NOT contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario A.<br />
:However, MartyD and Annie's replies imply to me that they seem to think the list DOES contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario B.<br />
:We need to consider these two scenarios separately.<br />
:Scenario A: I do not consider it appropriate to infer the price of a book from other contemporary books. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11582 Ace 1st pb ed of Dune], published in 1967, is priced 95c. It's a fat book for its era. However, Ace pb's in that year were typically priced around 50c. So if, hypothetically, Ace books published in 1967 did not have a cover price then it would be erroneous to infer that Dune was 50c based on a house ad listing other contemporary books at 50c.<br />
:Scenario B: This is not contentious. Record the price in the Price field and add a mandatory pub note stating the source, ie the house ad. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:52, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry, I may not have been clear. The ads in the back of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''The Day He Died''] do include ''The Day He Died'' (with the correct catalog ID) in the list of books that you can get for $0.25, so it's "Scenario B" above.<br />
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:: Now that I am thinking about, there may be an additional twist. According to Jon Warren's "Official Price Guide: Paperbacks", some early Bantam paperbacks had 2 versions which shared the ''same'' catalog ID: a regular version and a version in a dust jacket. I don't recall seeing dust-jacketed versions, which are apparently highly prized among collectors. I don't know how they were priced and whether you could get them from the publisher for $0.25. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ah, all is good then. Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:53, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name out of date? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79169 G. Arthur Rahman] has about 15 titles under that canonical name, from the 70s and 80s, but he has over 30 under the name Glenn Rahman (and a few under other forms of the name). [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976477 Here] is my entry of some new 2023 stories in addition to those on that author page. I'm holding off on making them variants to ask: Could his canonical name be changed from G. Arthur Rahman to Glenn Rahman to reflect the majority of bylines? -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:29, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Working on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:31, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I'd think so - provided someone sets out to do the transformation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:32, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done! You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15307 here]. Let me know if I missed anything as this one was more complicated due to the number of pseudonyms. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks, Nihonjoe! I'll put the new stories into their series and look over the older ones. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 13:38, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Juliana Pinha --> Juliana Pinho ==<br />
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Hello, would it be possible to correct 'Pinha' to 'Pinho' in this entry for INTERZONE #295? Thank you.<br />
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190 • Notes From the Meeting of the First State Feder World Court: Walker Dairy, Freeville, NY, 198 Year One: Jessica Jane Pearson Vs. The Stranger Mr. Jacob Hampton • interior artwork by Juliana Pinha<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?977484<br />
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--[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 14:29, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: This depends on the way the artist is credited in the issue: we do document the spelling of a name, even if it is mistyped in a given magazine issue (and then do variant it to the canonical name, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3146115 this example]). <br />
: Anyway, since "Interzone" #295 is primary verified, it is etiquette to ask / inform the primary verifier. You can reach him [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk here]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:05, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the info. It is 'Pinho' in the magazine (on the story cover page, and in the contents page). I'll move this to the primary verifier page, thanks.<br />
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:: --[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 16:55, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Bridge by James E. Gunn, Jack Williamson ==<br />
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Publication Record # 31949 states the artist is Ed Valigursky and that there was not any credit in the book. That the credit came from Jack Williamson's Seventy-Five: The Diamond Anniversary of a Science Fiction Pioneer. Heritage Auctions (fineart.ha.com/itm/paintings/gordon-pawelka-american-20th-century-star-bridge-paperback-cover-1963-oil-on-board-20-1-2-x-1/a/8000-71029.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515) has the artist as Gordon Pawelka. Was this a name used by Valigursky or do we have a conflict?? Hey Heritage could be wrong. It sold in 2020 for $3000 {{unsigned|Aardvark7}}<br />
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== RUSSWOTHE ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:RUSSWOTHE; I made a minor edit for a book PV by this person and noticed there's a stray message in the wrong place. Is it possible to move it to their discussion page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:21, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Followup: Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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Hello. I did not receive a response to my [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Crowley_and_Aziraphale.27s_New_Year.27s_resolutions September 2023 question] about how to catalog a weirdly-published Good Omens short story. So I am repeating the question here, please. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 14:25, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not eligible unless it was downloadable as an ebook - we allow only a limited set of online fiction and "a publisher site" is not amongst them. If it was downloadable as an ebook, it will be added as a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wrong tag for L. Sprague de Camp's ''The Hardwood Pile'' ==<br />
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Hello to all. The tag "science fiction" has been wrongly attributed to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57951 this story], which is only a fantastic and humorous ghost story. Could a bureaucrat please remove it ? TIA, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:31, 12 November 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Remove non-SF/fantasy/speculative fiction incorrectly attributed to an SF author ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I recently read and loved the story "In the Days After..." in Asimov's Science Fiction, November-December 2023 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3238197). I was curious about this author who was new to me, with a story I really liked, so I checked ISFDB.<br />
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Most of his work is noted as 1981 and beyond, with a long gap (~28 years) from 1995 to 2023. The Asimov's blurb does note that Frank Ward (William Francis Ward) did take a long time off from writing for "life". https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11458<br />
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There is a 1958 story listed under Frank Ward, "The Dark Corner". I was suspicious of this, as Frank Ward is listed with a 1950 birthdate.<br />
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I checked around. Galactic Central does show a substantial mystery body of work by a different Frank Ward, from the 1930s to the 1960s. http://www.philsp.com/homeville/cfi/n00786.htm#A5<br />
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I confirmed with the current Frank Ward via email that he did not write the mystery story "The Dark Corner", which does show up under the other Frank Ward at Galactic Central.<br />
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Given that "The Dark Corner" here is not by this Frank Ward (William Francis Ward), and that the other Frank Ward who wrote "The Dark Corner" appears to have written mysteries but not SF, fantasy or speculative fiction, I am assuming that I need to delete "The Dark Corner" story from ISFDB. I further assume this is done by the "Delete this title" button.<br />
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Please confirm, or let me know what is needed.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:There's an issue with one of Ward's titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?914168, the Fantasy Book Index, https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+pegasus+suit%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221983%22, says "Pegasus", there's a contents page scan on AbeBooks, https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Fantasy-Book-February-1982-Third-Issue/30051987897/bd, which probably says the same although it's blurry, only way to be sure is looking at the story's title page which would require a copy of the zine, you may want to ask him if he owns it so he can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I'm not quite clear what the issue is. When I looked at any of the 3 copies of the "An Index to Fantasy Book, Volume 1", at Internet Archive, they all note "The Pegasus Suit". Thanks for the clarification.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:57, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for checking with the author! I have disambiguated the author name -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370798 the result here] -- and updated the title record.<br />
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::: As to whether we want to remove [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2550138 "The Dark Corner"] from the database, it depends on a couple of different factors. The story appeared in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569570 anthology ''Bodies and Souls'']. Its dust jacket says "Fourteen Tales of Worldly and Other-Worldly Murder, Mayhem and Mystery", which suggests that it collects both SF and non-SF stories. We currently list one of the stories, "Too Many Coincidences", as "non-genre" while the rest are listed as SF. It's entirely possible that some of them are non-genre; we just don't know one way or the other. Once we know more about these stories, we can decide what to do with the anthology. Since it apparently contains at least some SF stories, we will want to keep the publication record, but if the overwhelming majority of the stories are non-genre, we may end up removing them and documenting them in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::My thanks for handling this. I appreciate and concur with the thinking, and I'll try to retain that for the future. Mr. Ward is pleased this has been revised.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: ISFDB says "Pegusus" which is obviously a misspelling of "Pegasus" but a look at the header on the story's title page is what's needed because it's entirely possible, as so often in zines, that titles differ from what's on the contents page. Searching for "Pegusus Suit" online finds only ISFDB and a couple of booksellers that obviously copied their info directly from ISFDB so it's likely just a simple mistake by whoever entered the contents here. You said you spoke to him via email so maybe you can ask him if he owns that issue of Fantasy Book to check and if it's wrong it will be fixed to "Pegasus". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I have reached out to Frank Ward on this question. I'll circle back when I know, and then correct the title if needed. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I have confirmed with Frank Ward by check of his copy of the 1982 Fantasy Book that "Pegasus" is the correct spelling. He thanks us for making the correction. I will submit that now. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Bodies and Souls is linked at Archive.org in the notes section of its record here so the story can be read to determine if it's genre or not as can the other contents; also, it's much longer than the others in the book and should probably be given novelette length. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::I checked at Galactic Central. They believe this story ("The Dark Corner") is a novella. I will make that change.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts II==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg&wpUploadDescription=%7B%7BCID1%0A%7CTitle%3DA%20Muster%20of%20Ghosts%0A%7CEdition%3DCecil%20Palmer%201924%20hc%0A%7CPub%3DMSTRFGHSTS1924%0A%7CPublisher%3DCecil%20Palmer%0A%7CArtist%3DUnknown%0A%7CSource%3DScanned%20by%20%5B%5BUser%3AUsername%5D%5D%7D%7D]; I was going to upload SFE image but it seemed familiar and it turned out I'd done it already but the image didn't go to the right place; also this old edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959, has been sitting there for months because without an image the signature couldn't be seen. So can someone get the image fixed and approve the cover artist edit? EDIT: After I entered this message it didn't go to the right place because I'd already written about it, with the same message title, long ago but nobody ever answered; it's up above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The image has been added to the pub & your edit approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:06, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MP3 CD price on Amazon note ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that Amazon is now typically showing the as new price for MP3 CDs whose publisher is "Audible Studios on Brilliance Audio" as $10.02. The list price for these CDs as reported on brilliancepublishing.com is almost always $9.99. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:23, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon ==<br />
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I've noticed that Amazon.com is used frequently to verify a publication date. I just wanted to point out that it's an unreliable source, because any time they don't know the exact date, they use the first of the month.<br />
For example, the publication date of this book: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?535016 is listed as 2008-11-01, but the data is from Amazon, so I don't know if that's the accurate date, or they just used the first of the month because they didn't know any better. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Clauditorium|Clauditorium]] ([[User talk:Clauditorium|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Clauditorium|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: The quality of Amazon's records varies a great deal. It's not always clear why the bad data is the way it is, but we can make educated guesses, at least in certain cases. For example, Amazon occasionally -- I would say around 5-10% of the time -- lists unrealistically low (14-32) page counts for English e-book editions of Japanese "light novels". It seems to be related to the fact that some light novels have short (4-20 pages) manga sections at the beginning of the book. We don't know why it affects Amazon's page counts, but it's something that editors have to keep in mind when entering light novel records using Amazon's data.<br />
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: Re: dates, it depends on how old the record is, where the book was originally published and the publisher. For older books, some records have no day/month information, some add arbitrary "-01" or "-01-01" to the end of the month or year, and some have surprisingly accurate dates even for books published in the 1960s/1970s. Our best guess is that "surprisingly accurate dates" come from publishers' catalogs that Amazon has/had access to.<br />
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: Amazon.com's records for books published in other countries frequently list the "US availability" date as the publication date. There can be a big gap between these two types of dates for books originally published in the UK and especially in Australia/New Zealand, which is why Amazon's dates for these types of books are often wrong.<br />
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: Also, a note on the terminology. We use Amazon stores -- Amazon.com, Amazon UK, Amazon DE, etc -- as ''sources'' of our data, but we don's use it for ''verification''. We have a number of recognized "secondary verification" sources which you can see if you display a publication record and click on "Verify This Pub" link under "Editing Tools", then scroll down to "Secondary Verifications". Like everything else in this world, these verification sources are not perfect, but their data is, on average, better than Amazon's.<br />
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: Ultimately, the ISFDB data is only as good as our sources. Even primary verified data can be imperfect due to data entry errors and misunderstandings. That's why it's so important to document exactly where our data comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== US Copyright Office website ==<br />
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Do you guys ever use the US Copyright Office website? I would think that would be the most reliable source. It often has publication dates down to the day, whereas other sources only have them down to the month.<br />
https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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: We use a variety of secondary sources to determine publication dates as discussed in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources this Help section]. The Copyright Catalog can be (and have been) used as a secondary source of information as long as we keep in mind that their "Date of Publication" values and "Registration date" values are often different, so we need to make sure to use their "Date of Publication" values.<br />
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: Another thing to keep in mind is what [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] calls "Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality":<br />
:* Publication date does not always perfectly match the calendar date. For example, a January issue of a magazine is usually available in December of the previous year, and often earlier than that. Books with a January publication date may often be bought in the closing weeks of the prior year; they will show the later year's copyright date, even though that year has not yet started. In these cases, the convention is to use the official publication date rather than to try to identify when a book actually first became available. If there is a large discrepancy -- for example if a book was printed but unexpectedly delayed before release -- then this can be noted in the notes field.<br />
: [https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=26&ti=1,26&SEQ=20231120164838&Search%5FArg=crichton%20michael&Search%5FCode=NALL&CNT=25&PID=hderjMf9JaGhuG3tox2UMY1nLcK_&SID=1 This Copyright Catalog record for the first edition of ''Disclosure'', a non-genre novel] by {{A|Michael Crichton}}, is a good example. The "Date of Publication" value is "1993-12-20", but the publication date stated in the physical book is "January 1994". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:02, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: When it comes to magazines, I'm aware of the disconnect between publication date listed on the copyright site and the date printed on the magazine cover. {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Back when mass market paperbacks took off in the United States, their publishers piggybacked on pre-existing distribution channels and inherited some of the peculiarities of the magazine distribution system. They also had to deal with numerous technical limitations of the printing business as it existed ca. 1950. For example, you could order a paperback with 96 pages or a paperback with 128 pages, but anything in between wasn't viable because of the way mass market paperbacks paperbacks were produced. Sometimes authors and/or editors were able to cut or pad stories to make everything work seamlessly. Other times typesetters had to add empty pages or use other tricks to pad the page count.<br />
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::: We see similar issues surface even in 2023. Amazon's page count values are often off because publishers create pre-publication records based on estimates. When books are produced, the actual page count is usually different. Not all Amazon records are updated post-publication, so we always take what's there with a grain of salt. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:10, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As for novels, I've noticed that in several cases, the date listed by isfdb.org is missing the day, but the copyright site will have this info. For example, Misery by Stephen King is listed here as being published on 1987-06-00; on the copyright site, the publication date is indicated as 1987-06-08 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1513). If I come across such occurrences, should I make a correction, crediting the copyright site? {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Sorry, I didn't quote the most applicable part of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Date]] earlier. Here is the relevant section:<br />
:::* The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See Secondary Sources of Dates.<br />
::: So the answer is yes, editors can make the date more precise as long as it is "otherwise consistent with publication's stated date" and the source is documented in Notes. If there is a discrepancy -- as in the case of {{A|Michael Crichton}}'s ''Disclosure'' (see above) which was offered for sale in late December 1993 but the printed publication date says "January 1994" -- then we use the printed date and optionally document what secondary sources like the Copyright Office or Amazon say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:24, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Captured By the Engines ==<br />
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Can someone approve my submission 5819033? Because I need to add month to merged art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications" on the New Submissions page ==<br />
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A new table, "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications", has been added to the New Submissions page. It will appear at the top of the page if any pending submissions affect the logged-in moderator's primary verifications. If you run into any issues, please report them here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:27, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Can Ellen Be Saved ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291669; I just uploaded new cover but it didn't go to the same Wiki page and replace old cover, it just created a new page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I added the new one to the pub and deleted the old one after verifying it was not used in any other pubs. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One New Message ==<br />
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"The following Contents titles have dates after the proposed publication date"; I got this message after submitting an edit for Tor ed. of G. Masterton's Mirror because month was April, not May, and cover art needed fixing in another edit. Is this new? I don't remember seeing that before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This warning was [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#New_yellow_warning_when_a_changed_Publication_date_is_before_one_of_the_Title_dates implemented on July 31] as per {{FR|1569}}, "Add a warning when a changed pub date is before one of the title dates". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:08, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Server issue? ==<br />
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Is there a server problem? I'm getting a 500 Internal Server Error message when trying to submit a Clone Publication. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:26, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Nevermind. I opened a new Clone the Pub tab and was able to submit the request successfully. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Log In ==<br />
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Why am I not logged in? Is there some new problem now? I see Username when I'm on the Wiki pages but the front page says "You are not logged in". EDIT: I got tired of waiting so I entered "Username" and "password" and that worked but a message popped up saying password was used in a data breach on Google or something like that. I don't know what's going on. Maybe someone can tell me if anyone else got that message or got logged out for no reason. I sincerely hope all of my info and edits and everything else that was there before I re-logged in is still exactly the same and nothing was changed/lost. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Old Edits ==<br />
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I'm trying to get my edits that have been sitting for months approved. I'll start with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747517, which is just a simple change from a dead Google Drive link to one that works. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747546; Just a simple cover image, Rudam said long ago in the thread "Rejected?" on his board that there's no need to ask about covers except for a couple of specific publishers. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749772; Just an archived link and an obvious format fix. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Changing the format is a major change and should not be approved unless the active verifiers have agreed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750346; Just an archived link and an obvious fix of LCCN in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::The active verifier has asked that he be contacted through the email system about changes. No indication in the edit that this was done, or what the response was. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750954; Just a simple LCCN ID and cleanup of several misspellings in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Moderator note only states "cleaned up sloppy note" without specifying what was changed. Best to notify the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757566; Just a simple note about the cover; it's on this page, https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/3786/fred-pickersgill-graves-give. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::This one is more of a judgement call. Personally I think it's too much information that is not germane to the publication. What does the soundtrack artist have to do with the book? I could have lived with something along the lines of "Cover is from the filmed version of 'The Female of the Species'". However, other moderators may differ. At a minimum, if we're going to go into this much detail, it should probably go below a <nowiki>{{BREAK}}</nowiki> tag. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved by JLaTondre. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Science ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5824080; I did add the archived link and the cover image but I didn't touch those reg. title art and story things so does anyone know why it says I did? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: It is a kinda known issue with the software when titles contains special characters, especially older titles added before some of the latest changes in handling these from the last years (in this case it is the <nowiki><</nowiki> that is throwing the fit. Because of that, the comparison for changes detects a change - even if there is none). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:56, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title change with no PVs ==<br />
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I was getting ready to add the audiobook and CD editions to Steven Erikson's novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424072 Rejoice] but noticed that the correct title name should be <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i> instead of just <i>Rejoice</i>. I looked at WorldCat, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, SFE, and Wikipedia, and in all cases except SFE, that is shown as the correct title. Would there be any objection to me changing the title to <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i>? None of the publications have a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:17, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The publisher also refers to it as 'Rejoice, A Knife to the Heart', [https://www.promontorypress.com/books/rejoice-a-knife-to-the-heart/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SF Adventures Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827099; I can never remember which changes to names affect what, so if someone can approve this assuming artist change won't mess anything up with info on his page or whatever. Also, both PV are long-gone so someone may want to check and see if there are any little details that I missed which need correcting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looks good, submission approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:01, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Liam Hogan versus Laim Hogan ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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In working to add the story "Ana" by Liam Hogan in "The Best of British Science Fiction 2016", I need to add it's first publication in Scientific American, as noted in the "Best of British Science Fiction" copyright page and else on the internet at Scientific American.<br />
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I checked the author's name. There is no "Liam Hogan" currently in ISFDB, but there is a "Laim Hogan", the author of the 2019 short fiction "XX". "XX" is listed as published in "Best Indie Speculative Fiction: Volume Two, November 2019". Upon looking at that "Best Indie..." on Amazon, the preview shows "Liam Hogan" on both the cover and table of contents.<br />
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Upon checking further, the website https://happyendingnotguaranteed.blogspot.com/p/2014.html for Liam Hogan notes both "XX" and "Ana" as his stories.<br />
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Therefore, I would appreciate it if a moderator could correct this author's name in ISFDB to "Liam" Hogan. Once that is done, I'll add "Ana" in the Scientific American webzine.<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:46, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: We do have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?180891 Liam Hogan] so I cannot rename [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?336607 Laim Hogan]. Same guy I think? If so, the fastest solution is to just fix the author on the stray story. If not, I will be happy to differentiate them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:52, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for fixing the author entry. Looks correct now. I'll go ahead and add the first publication for "Ana" now. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dave888|contribs]]) .</small> 14:03, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A SHORTFICTION title incorporated into the body of a NONFICTION title ==<br />
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I am holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823707 this submission], which would import {{A|Howard Koch}}'s SHORTFICTION title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982024 The Invasion from Mars: A Radio Adaptation] into the 2009 NONFICTION book [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765971 Waging The War of the Worlds: A History of the 1938 Radio Broadcast and Resulting Panic, Including the Original Script]. As the title of the NONFICTION book states, the text includes Koch's script, so normally it would make sense to approve the submission. However, the Notes field explains that:<br />
* Howard Koch's radio script is incorporated into the body of the book's main text, rather than being a separate essay.<br />
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Would you say that it makes sense to list the SHORTFICTION title as a Contents items in this pub? Or is it better presented as a part of the NONFICTION title? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:44, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My five cents: I'd say it makes sense if the piece is incorporated as a whole and without interruptions (of explaining notes). In the latter case the piece may only serve as a means to comment on Koch's unique handling (or something similar). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:25, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::If it's contained in its entirety and its content appears in proper order (whether or not contiguously), I am inclined to allow it. Technically, the work is published in the book. If it's not contiguous, the situation strikes me as similar to publications of "braided" stories. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:49, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks, folks. I have approved the submission, notified the inactive primary verifier and updated Notes to clarify the situation. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Entries disappeared ==<br />
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At least four of my entries from the last few weeks have disappeared from the database. I looked for the new publication series page, Gruselkabinett, as I was going to add more, and it and the four books I entered in it are gone. They're audio books: <i>Der Bluthund</i> by H.P. Lovecraft, <i>Die Weiden</i> and <i>Das unbewohnte Haus</i> by Algernon Blackwood, and <i>Die Toten sind unersättlich</i> by Leopold Sacher-Masoch. Even a new author entry they generated has vanished, the artist on two of the titles, Johannes Belach. I have no idea if more of my entries have disappeared. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 12:24, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking submission history (a moderator-only menu option), I see the following:<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981382 Publication ID 981382, ''Der Bluthund''], created on 2023-12-02 16:30:43. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:08:08. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981093 Publication ID 981093, ''Die Weiden''], created on 2023-11-30 18:58:05. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:37. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981433 Publication ID 981433, ''Das unbewohnte Haus''], created on 2023-12-02 20:36:31. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:13. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* I can't find an audio book version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3248968 Die Toten sind unersättlich] using moderator tools. I could presumably do it using programmer tools, but it would take time.<br />
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: I assume that Stonecreek deleted the 3 pubs listed above as per [[ISFDB:Policy]], which says:<br />
:* '''Included''': audio books, i.e. readings, but not dramatizations<br />
: I'll ask Stonecreek to join this discussion. We'll need to make sure that we are all on the same page or else we'll be stuck in an endless cycle of some editors adding certain books and other editors deleting them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:01, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, I deleted them on the basis of the rule that dramatizations are not to be included. I stumbled over the entry for "Die Weiden" upon reading a review at 'phantastiknews.de' of the play, and found that the other entries for publications fell into the same category. (A good rule of thumbs for a first check is if there are more than one speakers for a piece, it is most likely that it is a dramatization). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. In the future, when you come across publication records for ineligible works (like dramatizations), please use Edit History to identify the original submitter(s) and discuss the issue with them first. That way they will be made aware of what is and is not eligible for inclusion and won't make the same type of mistake in the future. Without an explanation, they'll be either confused and frustrated when the data that they previously submitted disappears or they will continue adding ineligible records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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I should leave it at that, since Ahasuerus was a lot more measured than I could be right now over the situation. -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In the past, we didn't have Edit History, so it was hard to tell who did what when. Now that it's been available for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development/Archive/2021 almost three years], it should be the default tool used to figure out why something appears to be off and whether a discussion is warranted.<br />
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: That said, old habits die hard. I still occasionally catch myself making a change, then realizing that I should have checked Edit History first. Hopefully, things will improve going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: My name was right there in the WorldCat verification on all four of those entries. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 21:34, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: My apologies: I stiil have to adapt to making a direct notification: as with this case I came upon this while doing research for another author at the news site, and carried on with this other task after that to get it done in that specific setting. <br />
::: And I didn't recall that the note left in the moderator's field wouldn't be easy to find. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::: (I'd love to add some really good audio plays to the database, but they ''are'' excluded, just like the ones you had added). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series Parent Position and Series Num fields ==<br />
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"Series Num" can have numbering that are not integers (e.g., 2.1, 2.2, etc.), but apparently the "Series Parent Position" field when editing series can only be integers. Can we change the field to allow non-integer numbering? This would allow subseries to be placed in the correct location with a larger series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:40, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This functionality was requested in {{FR|1403}}, "Allow decimal numbers as Series Parent Position values". Unfortunately, it is much harder to implement than it looks. The way the "Series Number" field works for title records is rather involved; back when I implemented it, it took me weeks to get everything updated and debugged. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds good. I'm glad it's on the list. Thanks for all your work on the backend of things. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic information for Strange Tales ==<br />
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For the UK magazine Strange Tales edited by Walter Gillings I believe that the noted second printing of the first issue is just a variant cover. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?618191<br />
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In George Locke's Spectrum of Fantasy, volume 1, page 3 he states as such. His examination of the two copies he had was that they were identical with the exception of two different covers. I would find it hard to believe that an attempt of a new publication which was dodging the fact it was a magazine would go into two printings, as there were still paper shortages after the War. The price on both covers is the same, one shilling net on one cover 1/- on the other. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jwkbooks|Jwkbooks]] ([[User talk:Jwkbooks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jwkbooks|contribs]]) .</small> 17:12, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Long time for approval? ==<br />
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Is it unusual if my relatively minor edits take two weeks or more to be approved? Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 22:38, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Typically, it wouldn't take that long, but unfortunately, the "New Submissions" queue has been very long recently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:51, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 00:17, 28 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Missing Clone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5832571; What happened to the clone? It's not there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The submission failed because one of the titles in the cloned publication, 2439970 (Intelligence and Luck), is no longer present. It appears that the title was merged in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816680 this edit] which was submitted on November 21st and approved on December 12. I'm guessing that your clone submission was submitted within that time frame. When the merge was done, the other title record was the one that was kept, and 2439970 was deleted. You should be able to re-clone the container title and pick up the current contents including the merged title of that story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:11, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art weirdness ==<br />
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So browsing (as you do). I came across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1379001 this] cover art entry which seems, to my eye at least, an identical piece to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139158 this one]. Any comments ?--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:40, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:To my eye, these look identical. We would have to research the Maria Carella credit for the French ones. Likely Herve put on one and then carried that over into the other by cloning. The Tim Jacobus credit on the ''Doomsday Book'' covers seems clear (from copyright statement on hardcover's jacket flap). My first guess would be a misinterpretation of some sort of general artist credit on ''Le grand livre'' as referring to the cover instead of to interior artwork. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:42, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) These are definitely based on the same cover art. The question then is whether the cover artist was really credited as "Maria Carella" in this J'ai Lu edition or whether it's a data entry error in our database. Checking Google, I see that J'ai Lu has used at least two other covers -- https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjbJRjGrF4EtBXromnm4E-mn-bwNjmriUiD9y_zEqCWxOsPAdQkITLtQ-6VzOAKbgq3b4&usqp=CAU and m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61mHPaZVmdL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg -- and it's possible that one of them was done by Maria Carella. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:49, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I did more research and found some pictures. In the original Bantam edition, the copyright page has "Book design by Maria Carella" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_37245aad-355d-4ecf-981b-2939ddd31921_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]) and the rear flap says "Cover illustration &copy; 1992 by Tim Jacobus" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_7be69af1-7c70-4430-86da-f306440e8119_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]). So I think the book design credit got conflated with cover artistry, either by J'ai Lu or someone else (if Herve did not have the books, his source might have been NooSFere, which credits the cover to Carella). Unless anyone disagrees, I will change the credit on the French ones and document the discrepancy with French secondary sources and probable source of the confusion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Nice! I also wonder if {{A|Maria Carella}} was the cover artist or the cover designer for the first (1988) edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354512 Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology]. Our source is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t203.htm#A12107 the Locus Index], which simply says "cover by Maria Carella". <del>For what it's worth, the Internet Archive has the [https://archive.org/details/visionsofwonders0000unse/page/n5/mode/2up 1996 edition, which has a different cover, on file] and its copyright page says "Design by Lynn Newark"</del> -- '''never mind, it turns out that "Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1988) and "Visions of Wonder: the Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1996) are completely different'''. Even if we keep Maria Carella as the cover artist, we will want to change her working language from French to English. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:41, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=maria+carella; She's mentioned in 16 notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I made these adjustments: Maria Carella language to English. ''Le grand livre'' cover credit to Jacobus (+ variant to ''Doomsday Book'' cover). Added note to French cover and to the first of the French pubs about secondary sources crediting Carella but her being credited as book designer (and Jacobus as cover illustrator) in original Bantam edition. Added note to Bantam hc about the book design credit. I found some pictures of portions of the interior of that anthology, but they did not include the copyright or credits pages, so I couldn't conclude anything about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:28, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Data entered exactly as on books [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/74/Grand_livre.jpg 1994 on top, 1995 below, "illustration" having the same meaning in both langages, "de" meaning "by"].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] ([[User talk:Hauck|talk]]) 05:26, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Well, that is quite clear, too, then. Then I guess we should have a "Maria Carella (in error)" as an alternate name then, with the above explanation, and the cover art with that credit as the variant. And no direct credit to Jacobus in the J'ai Lu editions. Does that sound correct to everyone? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:28, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::Sounds good to me. I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10617 Bantam 1st ed hc] and have checked it against the above discussion and concur. The book also states "Jacket design by Jamie S. Warren Youll" on rear flap which reinforces the statement that Maria Carella was only involved in the book design, not the cover. I have PVd the pub record and submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847617 this edit] to add extra info and change the source of all the data to the actual book. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:34, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::::Happy New Year, everyone. I have made the further adjustments I proposed above, and I accepted the changes to the Bantam edition. Please correct -- or let me know about -- anything that still is not as it should be. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:08, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New translations of Ursula K. Le Guin's Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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A few days ago I posted 2 records for a 1981 and a 2002 edition of ''Pimeduse ahem käsi''. the Estonian translation of ''The Left Hand of Darkness'', and 2 images for their respective book covers. I realize it's the holiday season and that there's a backlog... I have a Bulgarian translation as well and I'd like to upload that, though I worry that I'm not doing it right. Also if there are any editors or moderators here with a particular interest in Le Guin I'd like to make your acquaintance. Cheers, [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 14:45, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Hello and a happy new year, Evertype! I do think that I do fall into the category, as Le Guin is in the top three of my favourite authors. I have to admit that most of the copies I own contain German translations (and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar Jens]' German collection seems to be even more complete, but nowadays he isn't so often around). I know there are lots of translations of her work missing (with Dutch, French & German seemingly well-covered). If you have any questions that you think I might be able to help in, just ping me on my talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:16, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== External ID: PPN ==<br />
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It seems that the Dutch National Library has changed its www address. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs Here] it is "picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/" but doesn't work any more. The new one seems to be "picarta.oclc.org/psi/xslt/DB=3.9". Please have a look on that. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 13:35, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: The "PPN" template has been updated as well. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:48, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Charles Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873365; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873368; Can I get these 2 edits approved? I was going to add the other book by the author mentioned in the F&SF essay but online photo says Charles Williams on title page; checking further revealed that it's the same for Rolling Pin. There's already a famous novelist of that name and an artist on ISFDB so what do you think this guy should be known as, maybe (I)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pages of deceased users ==<br />
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Would it be helpful or useful to block the user pages and talk pages of deceased users, so no edits or submissions can be made any more? Ahasuerus told me these pages viewed as something like memorials, so they should be left untouched. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:40, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Generally, we put the [[:Template:Deceased user|Deceased user]] template at the top of their pages so people know not to post comments or questions there. So far, I haven't seen a huge problem with simply leaving them as they are. If problems do occur, we can always lock the pages so only admins can edit them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:49, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Locking the Talk pages will cause confusion to newer editors who are directed to post on the PV's pages and if the first few they hit are ones of the ones we had lost - asking them to post there while they cannot will either make them never post anywhere or just get frustrated. Plus the pages that we want to preserve are the User pages, not the Talk pages. I'd argue that User pages should be locked for Admin and the user they belong to at all times but that will make life harder and we do not have too many issues so I never raised that up as a proposal. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I was only suggesting locking the pages if we ran into problems where someone was editing them maliciously and we needed a way to stop it. Pages can be locked from editing for a brief period of time, too, which is generally the only kind of locking that's needed. Only in extreme cases would a page need to be locked for more than a week or so. I do like the idea of locking the user page of deceased editors, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: We are in agreement -- I was just mentioning that locking the Talk pages is going to cause other possible issues downstream (unlike User pages which can be safely locked without side effects). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:07, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Add link at the bottom of "Author Merge Update" ==<br />
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After two or more authors are merged, can we please add a link to the resulting record on the confirmation page (post approval). Now you need to either keep a record open or look for it again once the merge completes. (the script in question is cgi-bin/mod/aa_merge.cgi). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:29, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: {{FR|1591}} has been created and implemented. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Now, that's quick fix - less than an hour between reporting and getting it live on the server ;) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Safari ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?648417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884004; PV used wrong cover so I uploaded right one from recent archived copy but they also added wrong uploaded wraparound image in the notes. Can someone approve my edit and then move the note over to the other edition? The record number doesn't make a difference to where the image points, I assume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: The note has been moved to the correct publication. Is the interior art the same for both publications? If so, merge the two tile records. If not, we need a note on each and a do not merge warning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:33, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shattered Lens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892580; After checking further it turns out the correct title I fixed "Tears" to was used for the story's reprint in a magazine a few years later. After approval will the titles merge on their own or will it need to be done manually? If manual, can someone approve this so I can merge before I forget? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Approved. You need to merge them. Submit and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:13, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::All done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:19, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX; It won't make much difference to my PV because I only have about 50 but I can foresee trouble with others if he starts adding Roman where they don't belong. This is a common problem with other editors, too, where they add Roman even though the numbering goes straight from Roman to non-Roman. A LOT of DAW Books, for example, have unnecessary numbers entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:From the help, bullet point 2 under [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Pages]:<br />
:* "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers for introductory material, followed by Arabic numerals for the main text of the book, enter both sets of numbers. For example, a book with a page count field of "viii+320" has "viii" as the highest numbered page with a Roman numeral. (Note that there are no spaces in the page count.) Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored. Note that you should include the enumeration of the pages in Roman numerals even if there is no material that requires a separate content record (such as an introduction or preface) in those pages. This is in contrast with the situation with unnumbered pages prior to page 1; see the following bullet point for what to do in that case."<br />
:[https://www.ebay.com/itm/296164887458 This ebay.com listing] shows Roman numerals as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897763 this submission] suggests. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::If I understand that correctly then I disagree and you can find many instances on the boards here where mods tell editors to enter Roman only if the book doesn't continue the numbering straight into the Arabic. That's the way I enter Roman (except possibly for my early edits where I wasn't sure what I was doing) and so do many others. This has led to a lot of confusion. For example, this record's notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629077, mention this situation and only Arabic were entered while the notes here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979406, are similar but both Roman and Arabic were entered. I'm sure there are countless other examples. So nobody seems sure what the right way to do it is but if one has really been decided on then that would entail fixing thousands and thousands of records where they were entered the other way. That would be a huge task. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::For my own understanding's sake: The situation being discussed here is a contiguous set of pages, ending on Arabic-numeral'ed '''''366''''', but where the first fourteen pages are Roman-numeral'ed '''''i - xiv''''' and the remaining three hundred fifty-two are Arabic-numeral'ed '''''15 - 366'''''? If that is the case, I don't think the help covers this scenario. While the second bullet does seem to call for entering the highest Roman numeral plus the highest Arabic numeral, the third bullet also talks about counting backwards from the first "numbered page to see which is page 1". That would technically mean page i is also page 1, and there is no introductory material before page 1. The second bullet seems to assume the numbering of the pages for introductory material does not overlap the numbering of the pages for the main text, which is not the case here. Recording xiv+366 would record the numbering accurately but would completely distort the page count, which is that the Pages field is all about. I would record this as Pages = 366 with a note that the main text starts on p. 15 and the pages prior to that are numbered i - xiv, just as I would record it with Pages = 366 and a note that the text starts on numbered p. 15 if there were no numbered pages before it with any relevant content. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:32, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::Ah. Pages. My favourite subject. :-)<br />
::::I agree that the Help Notes do not cover this scenario adequately. I doubt the scenario was considered when the Notes were written. Consequently, past editors have just done what they think best at the time. As Username correctly states, no matter what we decide here, there is a legacy problem of all the existing inconsistent records which will be almost impossible to reconcile. I also agree that an explanatory pub note in this situation should be mandatory.<br />
::::However, that is where my "agreements" end. In this example, Pages should be recorded as xiv+366. Under the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Help for Pages], the bullet point starting "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers" unambiguously states that both Roman and Arabic Numerals should be entered. The following bullet point, starting "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1" is not applicable to this scenario because there are no unnumbered pages before page 1.<br />
::::Although xiv+366 does distort the page count, this argument does not hold water because it is existing ISFDb policy that we do distort the page count. See this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book#Some_examples_about_page_count_accuracy How To] under the bullet point starting "Approximation:"<br />
::::Another feature I like about using xiv+366 occurs in the situation where there is recordable content in the Roman Numeral pages. Suppose there is a map on page vi. Then vi would be entered as the start page of the map in the Contents section. It would look really illogical and inconsistent if the Pages field for the publication merely contained 366. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:08, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::This discussion has stalled. There have been no comments for more than three weeks and there is no consensus. The current tally is 2 (Scifibones, Teallach) in favour of specifying Pages as Roman+Arabic (xiv+366 in this example) versus 2 (MartyD, Username) in favour of specifying Pages as just Arabic (366 in this example). This issue was initiated by Faustus [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX here] but he appears to be abstaining.<br />
:::::Does anyone else have an opinion on this subject so that we can establish a consensus and form a rule?<br />
:::::There is an alternative option which is to deliberately not have a rule at all and just leave the specification of Pages in this situation at the discretion of the first PVer of the publication. This is not my preferred solution but I have some sympathy with this approach. If we establish a rule then, whichever way it goes, there will be a legacy issue. It will result in potentially thousands of historic records that were created "wrongly" and which cannot be systematically detected or corrected. However, if we just live with the inconsistency then there is no legacy issue. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:44, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::I agree with Scifibones and Teallach that the page count should be xiv+366 along with a note indicating that there is a switch from Roman to Arabic numbers with the last Roman number as "--" and the first Arabic number as "nn". I doubt that there are really a huge number of historic records that fit this exact edge case - but of course I could be guessing wrong. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:29, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Sorry, I haven't changed my opinion, but one other note: There is a sort of precedent in the Magazine page numbering bullet, where if the page numbering is continuous across issues, the printed page numbers are relegated to the notes and the actual page count is used in Pages. Granted, it is not the identical situation, but the spirit of the example is not to have Pages = 384 where the pub has only 192 pages. 380 vs. 366 is not so extreme, but to me 380 is still misleading. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:37, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::::MartyD, I do not see the relevance of your point. It only applies to magazines. The ISFDb treats the Pages field differently for books and magazines. This is well established in this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book howto] which starts:<br />
::::::::"Important notes"<br />
::::::::"1. Please note that this howto is for '''books only''' (hardcovers, paperbacks, trade paperbacks), not for other types like magazines."<br />
::::::::and goes on to specify much information and examples that only apply to the Pages field for books. This includes the bullet point starting "Approximation:" which is very relevant to this discussion as it confirms that the value that goes in the Pages field for books is not necessarily the same as the number of pages you would get by manual counting. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:41, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::Yes, I am aware of all of that. I am only pointing out that one of the rules already accounts for a situation where using the printed page numbers as a basis would grossly misrepresent the number of pages in the publication. Regardless of our personal opinions, probably the best thing to do for this non-magazine situation is to figure out what other bibliographic sources do and, if there is a consensus, have that be the ISFDB standard. But THAT is a discussion for the R&S page. The conclusion I draw from the discussion here is that two different methods are used, with many instances of each, and the help is unclear. To me that means if a current pub was entered using either scheme, that scheme should not be changed to the other scheme until a single scheme is settled on and the help is clarified. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:19, 17 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Pandemic ==<br />
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Since the CDC officially ended its Covid-19 declaration in May of 2023 the note on our front page about forthcoming books possibly being delayed by the pandemic should be removed. Any delays now are due to other reasons. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hound Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5909601; Can someone approve this if they agree all my additions/changes are correct? Whoever entered author info spelled legal first name wrong so it needs fixing and I'm not sure if the info will be there with the name change per book's title page or if a mod has to do it from the author's record or something or other. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:03, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Done. I moved the info from the old author record to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?376213 new record], correcting that spelling error. I also fixed the review to refer to the M.-less name, so the old record went away due to no further references. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:48, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== George W. Barlow ==<br />
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Bonjour, je vous contacte pour l'article concernant mon père George W. Barlow<br />
Il y a quelques corrections et compléments qu'il voudrait apporter :<br />
Concernant sa biographie :<br />
il est né à Le Havre en Seine Maritime et non à Grenoble (où il vit)<br />
il a fréquenté l'Ecole Normale Supérieure de la rue d'Ulm et en est sorti Agrégé d'Anglais <br />
Vous trouverez ces données biographique en quatrième de couverture dans l'ouvrage que vous citez :<br />
La Science-Fiction (1987) (avec ANDREVON Jean-Pierre et GUIOT Denis)<br />
M.A. Editions, Le monde de... n° 39, 1987.<br />
Concernant sa bibliographie :<br />
-vous pouvez rajouter le roman « Antéros » publié en 2012 chez EONS collection Fantasy n°140<br />
et republié ensuite à compte d'auteur chez The BookEdition sous le titre « Antéros et chimères »<br />
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Je me tiens à votre disposition pour tout complément d'informations et vous saurais gré de me tenir informée de la suite que vous donnez à mon courrier.<br />
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Très cordialement.<br />
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Catherine Matheron/Barlow <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Catalpa|Catalpa]] ([[User talk:Catalpa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Catalpa|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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== Series ordering help ==<br />
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Hi all. I could use some help with [[User_talk:Piedro01#Mary_Stewart_Merlin_.2F_Arthurian_Saga_series_ordering|this discussion]] about ordering within one specific [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?12110 title series]. The publisher, and other sources, refer to each title's place relative to the others using the publication order. Our current series ordering reflects that. The editor feels rather strongly that the series ordering should instead reflect the internal chronology of the stories. I am afraid I may be biased, so I could use some other opinions (or even more definitive guidance, if I have misinterpreted something). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:33, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: I prefer publication order (except for some prequels that can go at 0 or novellas and stories that fall in between novels to get in their places)... We have it like that in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?689 Foundation] for example - with the two prequels at the end of the list even if they are chronologically first. If an editor insists on doing something else and they are willing to document and show sources where that other order is used and it is the common way the series is numbered online/in sources, I would consider it. But if the publisher and most other sources refer to the order in a different way, it just confuses things. As we cannot show two different sorting ways, editors are welcome to add Notes on the series page with the chronological order if they want... <br />
: In this case, I am with you - leave it at publication order, add a note for the chronological order - mainly because this is the order that people usually use outside of our DB. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:18, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::I agree with Annie, for the same reasons given by Annie. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:33, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::If current policy is not changed, there is no basis for rejecting [[User talk:Piedro01|Piedro01's]] two submissions. However, I also favor changing policy along the lines [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] spelled out. That's what I have always used, not realizing I could be outside policy. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: Out of curiosity - which policy do you think that the current order of that series (and Foundation) contradict and needs changing for them to be "in policy"? If you are saying that we technically do not have a policy and either way can be considered correct (so the submissions are approvable because of that), then the overall policy of ISFDB (we document what we see/find, we do not invent) is in favor of leaving them as they are based on almost all other sources using the current order. Plus I also favor "first editor decision stands within reason" in ambiguous situation because nothing prevents another editor from changing them back next week and that will also have to be approved if this one is approved if it does not contradict policy (with both being correct, that process can happen a lot of time). If I am misreading what you are saying, can you clarify? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:41, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::I do notice upon further review that the section of help cited goes on to say this: '''''Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error.''' Any series with this sort of ambiguity in internal ordering should have the sequence worked out on the Community Portal. This includes prequels, which can be listed first in the series, before the main entries; or listed after the main entries; ...'' So I suppose what ordering to use for this series should be brought up for debate on the Community Portal. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:51, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The first line of the applicable help clearly states a precedence for reading order. Look at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25203 Assiti Shards (1632)] series. Compare the current publication based order to the suggested reading order (1632.org link in series record). Remove the implied precedence from the help and I'm fine. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:13, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Reading order is not the same as chronological order though - I'd argue that for most series, including this one, publishing order is the reading order (mainly because of spoilers and what's not that tend to creep into later novels publishing-wise which are set earlier on a chronology). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:39, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) First, let me copy the relevant part of [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] here so that we would all be on the same page:<br />
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* '''Series Number''' - If you know the order in which the titles in the series are supposed to be read, you can number them starting with 1. You can use decimal numbers like 4.5 to place a title between the titles numbered 4 and 5. No Roman numerals (like I or IV) or letters (like "1a" or "A") are allowed. Please note that some series are very linear (e.g. Harry Potter) and it's easy to tell how to assign series number to individual entries. Other series can have multiple possible numbering schemes reflecting the series' publication order, internal chronological order, intended publication order, "author recommended" order, etc. Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error. Any series with this sort of ambiguity in internal ordering should have the sequence worked out on the Community Portal. This includes prequels, which can be listed first in the series, before the main entries; or listed after the main entries; or even split into a separate series which then becomes a subseries in a superseries comprising both the original series and the prequels.<br />
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When Scifibones wrote that "the first line of the applicable help clearly states a precedence for reading order" he presumably meant:<br />
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* If you know the order in which the titles in the series are supposed to be read, you can number them starting with 1.<br />
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That being said, as others have said, "reading order" can be ambiguous. One of the better known examples is {{A|Neal Asher}}'s Polity universe. The author's [https://www.nealasher.co.uk/where-do-i-start-updated/ Web page says]:<br />
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* The consensus of opinion I have gleaned from social media, is that you should start either right at the beginning with Prador Moon and then follow through chronologically, or you should read the first two series I wrote.<br />
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In this case even the author wasn't sure what the best reading order would be and had to consult his fans to come up with possible paths. This ambiguity is already addressed in the Help language above where it says that:<br />
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* series can have multiple possible numbering schemes reflecting the series' publication order, internal chronological order, intended publication order, "author recommended" order, etc. Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error.<br />
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So the first sentence of [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] privileges "reading order" compared to other possible numbering schemes, but the section quoted immediately above effectively takes it back. We should probably clarify Help, which will require a Rules and Standards discussion.<br />
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Also, this Help template doesn't inform editors that prequels can be entered either using "0.1", "0.5", etc or as separate sub-series.<br />
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For now, I would suggest a Community Portal discussion as per the Help section that Marty quoted. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:00, 13 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== SV removal ==<br />
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In the USD edition of {{P|290822|Dilvish, the Damned}} Reginald3 is correctly SV'd and numbered. In the {{P|10142|Canadian printing}} it has also been SV'd - wrongly. Could someone remove that and mark it N/A. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:42, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== adding a publication ==<br />
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Can a publication listing be added before the item is offered for sale? (i.e., I have obtained an ARC with all relevant info, but the book is not scheduled for publication for a couple more weeks) {{unsigned|Fabius}}<br />
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: The short answer is "yes". To quote [[Help:Screen:NewPub]]:<br />
:* '''Future Publication Dates''' - ISFDB captures records for some publications that have been announced for release in the future.<br />
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:** Do not create records for newly announced publications scheduled for release more than 90 days into the future, as these plans often change.<br />
: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: One small note to add - if you are working from an ARC, mention it in the notes (when we work from pre-release records, we note the date for example making it obvious that we are adding pre-publication). Things change between ARCs and the actual book occasionally so that will minimize the risk of us ending with two separate records downstream. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Second set of eyes please. ==<br />
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I've submitted a publication [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5709664 deletion]] that I'd rather not self-approve as it involves someone else's entry and PV. Thank you in advance. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:23, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: After reviewing the data I agree that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?483390 record 483390] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556122 record 556122] apparently describe the same pub. I see that one of them has been verified by you and the other one by [[User:Don Erikson]], who has been inactive for the last 3+ years.<br />
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: One way to handle this situation would be for you to delete "your" pub record, then to primary-verify Don's pub, thus keeping both primary verifications. Would that work for you? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:58, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: An obvious approach. I reloaded the cover image as well. Will deleting a publication automatically get rid of the associated image? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:46, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The only effect deleting the publication has on the wiki page is breaking the link back to the publication. I went ahead and deleted it, mod only function, since you reloaded the image and created a new wiki page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:23, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mouser Goes Below ==<br />
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Hello. After a long while, I have released this edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5374496] for other moderators to have a look. While Willem agrees it's a Novel rather than a Novella, I am not entirely comfortable with affecting the change. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Examining the text in my ebook collection, I see that the submitter is correct: it contains over 64.5K words. I would make it a NOVEL and leave a canned message on the primary verifiers' Talk pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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PS. Real-life hasn't been nice to me the last couple of months, hence my absence from the site. Not sure when/if I will be back... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry to hear about the real life issues! Hopefully things will improve sooner rather than later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I've approved the change to NOVEL and fixed all the translations to be NOVEL types as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:37, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hollowing ==<br />
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Hello Mods. I have a question regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289319 this] publication. I made a note that the book has an appendix, which is an in-universe folk tale of Ryhope Wood by Goerg Huxley - i.e. it's fictional. The tale has a title and a note before it making it appear as if it is an out of universe (i.e. a 'real world') tale. Should I add this as content ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 02:07, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think your treatment is fine, unless we discover the same story ended up published elsewhere. You might adjust the note to call out that it's a fictional appendix, and its credited author, "George Huxley" is an in-universe character. If you did want to make a content entry for it, I think you'd need to title it something like: "<whatever> by George Huxley" and make the author credit be Robert Holdstock. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'll leave it as is and amend the note per your suggestion. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:16, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who to credit ? ==<br />
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Hello Mods. The can of worms of cover design vs cover photo opens again with the two Gollancz editions of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102350 Trillion Year Spree]. I made a note for my trade paperback copy that it states "Jacket design by Don Macpherson (over) Jacket photograph by Peter Letts" on backcover. The hardback credits Macpherson wheres the trade paperback credits Letts. So which one of those two get's the cover art credit ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Macpherson does not get a credit under any circumstances - designers never do. If the hardback only credits "cover: Macpherson", then I'd been inclined to add a "Macpherson (in error)" credit and pseudonym to Letts thus allowing a variant cover and credits as per the books. As long as Letts photographs are on the cover and not the author photo of course. Alternatively, no credit for anyone and just notes (photographs are a bit of a gray area sometimes as Cover Artists but if you decide to credit -- it should be Letts). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:46, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks Annie. Maybe you could tell Makwood that as I tried to ask him what his hardback copy said (ghaving quoted him what mine said). See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Trillion_Year_Spree here] where he states "So, you're saying the jacket front is a photograph, and not a graphic design? Doesn't appear that way to me". Gonna change the credit. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:46, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brainchild ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5716829; I added 2 ID and a note about page count but it insists that I did something with the title which I didn't. Why is that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the raw database data, I see that the main ANTHOLOGY title has a page number, "|1", associated with it. It wasn't displayed when you edited the publication record because the "Page" field is grayed out and not editable for ANTHOLOGY (and other "container") titles. My first guess was that at one point this publication was a NOVEL or another non-container and the non-container title had "|1" assigned to it. Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?297598 Edit History], I see that this pub did have its title type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3992773 changed to ANTHOLOGY on 2018-10-14], which suggests that my guess was correct.<br />
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: Once your submission is approved, the "|1" page number will disappear. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:54, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change required for variant name: Ren Qing -> Channing Ren ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366142 任青] is listed on the Hugo finalist list with the western name "Ren Qing". When I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959764 the tp pub that has their story], I noted that various sources reported them as Channing Ren.<br />
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I've now bought [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960977 the ebook pub], and - Sod's Law - it turns out that Channing Ren is how they are listed in the actual antho, see [https://twitter.com/ErsatzCulture/status/1679946416830001154/photo/1 here].<br />
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Could someone update [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366143 the Ren Qing author record] accordingly please? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:37, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Also, as an FYI, changing the author name in the English Title record from "Ren Qing" to "Channing Ren" would have deleted the "Ren Qing" author record and created a new author record for "Channing Ren". The new author record would then need to be turned into an alternate name of "任青", but it could be done by a self-approver. Not a big deal, just something to keep in mind in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:31, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks; I did wonder if something like that was doable, but I thought better to just punt it here.<br />
:: There's another one coming down the line, which I've put off, because I spent a day trying to get my head round it, and trying to write it up to confirm (a) a consensus for that course of action, and (b) how exactly to tackle it, isn't something I'm relishing. I don't think many westerners have realized there are 2 different Hugo finalists called [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?344566 杨枫] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366182 杨枫(I)], and IMHO we probably have the disambiguations the wrong way round, as the former should probably be an alternate name for 天爵, who isn't in the database yet. Something to look forward too... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:32, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolfe - Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus - novel and novella dating ==<br />
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Whilst editing two of my own English language pubs of this title I noticed some dating which someone, hopefully, can clarify for me.<br />
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There are two novella titles by different translators {{T|1582693|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} and {{T|1699730|1982-05-00 by Eva Malsch}}.<br />
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The novel {{T|1347139|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} dating looks ok as does the Eva Malsch translation but I don't see a 1974-11-00 Yoma Cap novella publication - only the {{P|414367|1984-04-00}} one as the first instance.<br />
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The note in the {{T|1957|1972-04-00}} novel title page refers to the German translations but doesn't help me.<br />
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So, do we treat the novel and the novella as having the same first instance date? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sequence of events as I understand it is as follows:<br />
:* The novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41405 "The Fifth Head of Cerberus"] was published in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25103 ''Orbit 10''] on 1972-02-16.<br />
:* The novella version became Part 1 of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1957 novel version which used the same title], ''The Fifth Head of Cerberus'', and was first published on 1972-04-00.<br />
:* Both the novella version and the novel version were subsequently reprinted by various US/UK publishers.<br />
:* The second part of the novel version was later reprinted as a separate novelette [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''] in a 1994-07-00 anthology. We have it dated "1994-07-00".<br />
:* Yoma Cap's first German translation of the novel version was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347139 ''Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus''] in 1974-11-00.<br />
:* The first part of Yoma Cap's German translation (which corresponds to the novella version of "The Fifth Head of Cerberus") was [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 reprinted in 1984 and then again in 2002]. The title date of this title is currently set to "1974-11-00" and matches the date of the first publication of the German ''novel''.<br />
:* The third (and final) part of the ''English'' novel hasn't been reprinted as a separate novella. However, the third part of Yoma Cap's ''German'' translation was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T.", a separate novella] on 1983-04-00. The title date of this title is currently set to "1983-04-00".<br />
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: The problem then is that we have an inconsistency. The separate English appearance of the second part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''], is currently dated "1994-07-00" and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. Similarly, the separate German appearance of the third part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T."], is dated 1983-04-00 and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. However, the separate German appearance of the novella version (which is the same as the first part of the novel), is dated "1974-11-00", when the novel translation appeared, as opposed to "1984-04-00", which is when the separate German version appeared.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would suggest changing the title date of the novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 "Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus"] from 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:17, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for taking such a careful look at this and your elegant answer. It resolves my uncertainty about novella/novel treatment and confirms where I thought the problem lay - your 6th bullet point homes in on that. I've submitted the change 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00 as you've suggested :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The submission has been approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:44, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mod Bob ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Moderator-availability; Bob should be removed from the list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:58, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:04, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Spencer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131734; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elizabeth-Spencer/e/B01MFH59N3; Last 2 stories are by a young lady with the same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like Stonecreek has already changed their author from "Elizabeth Spencer" to "Elizabeth Spencer (I)". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, except he added her image to webpage field by mistake, so I've just moved it to the right field, pending approval. Also, the older Spencer has a photo under "Movies, TV and Bio" on Amazon but as usual with "S" URL photos like those ISFDB won't accept them with or without the trailing stuff before .jpg, giving an unsupported message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Your submission is approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:08, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete x2 ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the older images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGM2014.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGB2014.jpg here]. Uploaded by mistake. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted as requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:36, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1968198; I added link to Hodder and created a new record for Crowell, it's W. J. Dawson in both, author name neeeds changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawsey ? Hayes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001; I am not entering all of that info again just for a minor publisher name change so if someone knows how to preserve the one sentence in the publisher record then my edit can be un-rejected. Seems to me it would have made more sense to accept the edit and then cut-and-paste the sentence into the publisher record afterwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I first went to the publisher record and changed the name there. Then that portion of your submission effectively became a no-up (changing the existing name to the same thing, so no publisher deletion), so I was able to un-reject it and approve it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Johnsgard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5718012; I made another edit adding all info except name change, cover artists entered with alternate name for the man so after it's accepted that can be used as the parent, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Change made and submissions approved. Submit an edit to import the cover art credit into the tp and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SJS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=solomon+j&type=Name; 1 credit each for the last 2 guys, your decision which is parent and which is variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:23, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?360672 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:28, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Islands in the Sky cover art ==<br />
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Entry for cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?652621 this] publication shows two different images, although the spacestation is the same the approaching rocket has been replaced by a boy on the 1984 edition - both images are by Peter Andrew Jones. Should the later edition's image not be seperated out and varianted ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:40, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We variant for author, title, language and title type (artwork & serials only). We do not variant for a difference in the artwork. It's the same and we merge or it isn't. The same meaning "all or part of one appears in the other". [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:47, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Alrighty. I only queried since there is a substantial difference between the one signed 'PAJ 80 Solar Wind' and the one signed 'PAJ 81' --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If you think they are different enough, you can unmerge them and add notes on the reasons for it. I think they fall under our "is contained in" or "is part of" rule so they are ok as they are but the rules in that area can be interpreted differently. As John mentioned, they cannot be variants though so the choice is between what we have now and 2 separate unconnected entries. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. I made a note in regards to the difference on the publication, plus the difference is obvious when viewing the cover art entry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Matheson's Musings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Zapp#Musings; Do mods agree that it should be changed to an essay? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:26, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author name change needed ==<br />
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The spelling for author LJ Cohen is currently "L. J. Cohen" [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?203069 sic]. Would a moderator please change it to her preferred spelling of "LJ Cohen"? That is the spelling she uses on her [https://www.ljcohen.net/ website] and which appears on the titles currently recorded in ISFDB. I think the current spelling is a holdover from old spelling rules. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The rules are still valid especially because these are initials (so not really old spelling rules) - but they also allow for author's preference to take precedence. I've changed it and added a note on the page so someone does not "fix" it. As you are the only PV of any of her book I saw, consider this also a notification for the changed in your PVd book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:54, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== (Slightly) clashing pending edits for author Juleen Brantingham ==<br />
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I just submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5730414 5730414], but I get a yellow warning for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730402 5730402] which makes a similar change. My edit is a superset of the latter - adds a more details place of birth, obit link and expanded note - so could someone reject 5730402, or at least apply it before my edit 5730414 gets applied, so nothing gets lost? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Approved them in the correct sequence. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:17, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Horus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722514; Can someone change the publisher to Horus Publishing? After that's done will that lead to unrejecting my edit? Because I've done hundreds since then and it's kind of hard to remember what I did for a single edit days or weeks ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: All good now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:27, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Architecture of Desire ==<br />
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Entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518517 this] cover art has combined three entirely different pieces of art by Chris Brown. Note that [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0e/BKTG04149.jpg this] is not the same as [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/e5/BKTG04151.jpg this] - there are substanial diferences between the two pieces. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:53, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are definitely different. I've separated them into the three pieces. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:44, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:23, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Printing ==<br />
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http://www.cars101.com/firstid.html; I think this would be helpful; I have a pending edit adding a Random House book which starts with 2 in the number line but it's not a 2nd printing, that's how they started their lines for much of their history. Can this be added to Help or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reeves-Stevens - Phase II: The Lost Series ==<br />
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The coverart credit as it stands {{P|32543|here}} is wrong, can we have help from a moderator to sort it out? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:How is it wrong? Have you contacted [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] to see what it states on the copyright page? Is there separate art on the front and back covers? If it's a mashup up two pieces of art, each by one of the two credited artists, the listing is correct. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jem ==<br />
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There seems to be two entries for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117921 this] publication. The note for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322056 this] version also has a 1980 printing and a £1.50 price and points to (presumably) the true 1980 printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?JMRCPBTPGS1980 here]. Can't determine what the difference between the two entries could possibly be. Thoughts ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:36, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accidental cover upload ==<br />
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Hello Mods I inadvertantly uploaded the hardback cover art for a paperback edition (that'll teah me to look first). Title in question is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27997 Return to Eden]. If someone could revert it back to what it was previously that' be great. I have uploaded it to the correct hardback edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Reverted. I also approved your submission adding the image to the Grafton hc. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:24, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg; My cover doesn't show up but neither does the cover someone else uploaded last year. Can someone get my cover to show up? Also, I made an edit adding editor as cover artist so can you approve that, too. You also may want to check to see if the other person uploaded a cover for the American edition (different title) because there's no cover there, either. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== TCASFW Discussion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#TCASFW; When one of you approves my edit you can discuss with this PV what you'd like to do. I think their final message is that one of their volumes has a dash and one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:46, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding image credit , please ==<br />
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Good day,<br />
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I need help.<br />
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I would like to have an INTERIOR ART CREDIT added for Author record # 269730 ; Carl Lavoie.<br />
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It’s in the recent<br />
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Vastarien: A Literary Journal. Vol. 6, Issue 1<br />
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and it’s the frontispiece illustration, ‘The Evil Eye'.<br />
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Here’s a link to a sample of the issue, the illustration is right after the cover page:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/Vastarien-Literary-Journal-vol-issue/dp/B0CBT4B6D1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28D1CYLFVH4XL&keywords=vastarien+literary&qid=1692175645&sprefix=%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-1&asin=B0CBT4B6D1&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1<br />
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And here’s a link to the publisher, listing the content of the recent issue:<br />
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https://grimscribepress.com/issues/<br />
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Thank you. And have a wonderful day.<br />
-Carl Lavoie<br />
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: Thank you for getting interested in our little project. However, it seems as if the issue you refer to hasn't been added yet; the latest one I can find is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?872536 this] from 2021.<br />
: But before you or someone else becomes active and enters it: this seems to be a general literary journal which then wouldn't be eligible per se to ISFDB (which is devoted to speculative fiction); for such a journal only the speculative fiction items, the artwork illustrating them, and essays referring to speculative fiction would be allowed to be included in the entry (see [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions these definitions]. Please think about it, and then think if you'd like to get help to add the publication in question. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:18, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Frederick, Chambers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5746601; I came across Quick Action by Robert W. Chambers and added links (and a Canadian reprint) and then decided to enter links and stuff for other Chambers books illustrated by Frederick. Ran into trouble immediately because Tracer of Lost Persons is as by "R. W. Chambers" so if someone can approve my edit so it can be made a variant and month added to title record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:54, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MRC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2970668; An Archive.org link was recently upped for his 2014 novel so I added a link then I saw that his recent novel didn't have cover art in both editions so I imported it, then I noticed that the cover artist, who is also the author, didn't have a period added after R so it's a separate record. Since R with a period has bio info that means if I add a period it will erase the info, I think, so if one of you can add it without erasing the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I fixed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK) ==<br />
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I'm editing {{P|178073|Asimov's Extraterrestrials}} and on the title page is stated "Dragon [over] Grafton Books [over] A Division of the Collins Publishing Group". We have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27309 Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK)] but my understanding is that we don't record the owners (Collins) of the publishers (Grafton). If that's correct, the four publications (also 1986) listed in that category should be "Dragon / Grafton" (as imprint / publisher). If moderators agree, that's what I propose using in the Publisher field for my edit (and I could also amend the four other publications to the same). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:40, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Not hearing any objections, I'll wait another few days and then implement the above. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:54, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== With/with ==<br />
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I happened to notice that a mod is correcting "With" to "with" in a lot of records. Is there some way to trawl all the records and automatically correct wrongly capitalized words (or vice versa) with a patch or something? Seems like that would be helpful and save a lot of time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multiple Archive.org Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756500; Can a mod approve my edits for Number 87 from the first one linked above and ending with 5756519? I want to know if adding the second Archive.org link which someone added to the title records instead of the Macmillan edition's record will erase the much more recent link, uploaded this year, which I added in my first edit. On a side note, author's collection Thoughts in Prose and Verse also has been linked, no contents, in case anyone cares to read it and enter genre stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Does everything look as you intended? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:32, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, I don't know, I've completely confused myself. I see one title record still has old link that I removed and I missed another Macmillan link, so I've removed it again and added new link. I don't even think my note above was correct because the new link is for the UK edition so it wouldn't erase the US link. Forget it, I can't do this stuff anymore, 2 more links to approve when you get a chance, someone else will have to take a look and make sure links are where they're supposed to be along with everything else, I'm done. I've got to get out of here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== image delete request ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the old (04:13 hrs) image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DRKBNDCTNF2015.jpg here]. (edit) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:ErsatzCulture#Miller_-_Dark_Benediction this discussion]. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:15, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Kev, You wish to delete the cover with 'jr' correct? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:43, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that's the one. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:20, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine-Thirty O'Clock in the Morning ==<br />
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Curious what happened to the usual 5-minute or so delay at 9:30 every morning. It didn't happen today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The daily backups run between 9:30am and 9:35am. The database is unavailable until they finish.<br />
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: On 2023-08-30 the backup process was modified to exclude a large and fast growing database table which didn't need to be backed up in the first place. An error was introduced while making the change, which caused the backups to fail on 2023-08-31. The error was corrected the same day and the backups have been running smoothly ever since. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:29, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deagol ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Deagol; I added my first-ever message to this PV and noticed all messages are in italics or a weird font or something. Probably not important but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's bizarre. I can't see anything on that page that would cause everything to be in italics. I can't find any other page that are like that, either. I'm guessing it's something that went funky on the backend. We'd have to have Al or Ahasuerus look at it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Nevermind, I found it. While it shouldn't have affected the entire page (it should have only affected the part after it), I removed the italics from the page with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADeagol&type=revision&diff=670207&oldid=670204 this edit]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:29, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Here's another page; https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Clarkmci. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pastel City. ==<br />
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Hello mods. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1868818 This] interior art is the same artwork as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2251327 this] title record. I'd also like to rename the interior art record from "The Great Rebellion [1]" to "CA 440 Minifreighter" (as per art caption in Cowley's Great Space Battles). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:38, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If there is a caption (or a title somewhere) in the book, then yes, rename and use that - captions and titles from inside of the books are always used when known instead of the standard [] notation. If the title was coming from a secondary source, we would just add it into the notes but if it is in the book, go ahead and rename. And variant it to the cover :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:30, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You may want to participate at [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F|this Rules and standards discussions]]. As pointed out in that discussion, the current rules do not include using the caption / title (though that has become a common practice) and so far there has not been agreement to change the rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:00, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Will do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:45, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1))<br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy<br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb<br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original)<br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original)<br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb<br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb<br />
page 155 Futureboro (original)<br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction:<br />
The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page <br />
to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books {{unsigned|RogerSSS}}<br />
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== Protocol for working on recently added/changed publications ==<br />
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There has always been potential for moderators unknowingly working on the same set of submissions. Early on we added the ability to put submissions "on hold" in order to mitigate this problem. Later, we added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent_activity_menu.cgi Recent Activity] page and, even more recently, "Edit History", which helps avoid confusion and cross-approvals.<br />
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At the same time, the recent implementation of the "self-approver" system significantly increased the number of editors who can approve submissions. Earlier today we had a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eccentric_Orbits:_An_Anthology_of_Scienc collision] between a moderator working on new submissions and a self-approver who noticed the new publication and tried to improve it while the moderator was still researching it. The result was a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?970089 mishmash of approvals].<br />
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What should be the standard for moderators and self-approvers working on recently approved records which the original approver may still be researching? Since we now have Edit History, should it be something like:<br />
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* Before correcting/adding data to a publication record, check its Edit History. If the record has been created or modified within the last 24 (12? 48? 72?) hours, check with the last approving moderator to see if the record is still being researched.<br />
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? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider it always a good idea to talk to the editors and moderators that had worked on a record that still need work before changing the work of people -- sometimes they have an edit staying in a browser and never submitted, sometimes they just had not had a chance to get back to the record to fix it (or got distracted) and sometimes it is a misunderstanding of the rules on someone's part - the person trying to improve or the editor who started it or simply a disagreement on how things need to be entered where the rules allow editor's discretion. And especially if the submitter is a new(ish) user and there is no note from the handling moderator on their page yet but I think it is common courtesy in all cases. Asking for 24 hours grace period is a good first step I guess. Adding to that the requirement for communication before the edits are done will be even better - and will also help getting our editors closer to being self-sustaining. I did not think that we need to put that in writing but apparently it is not as self-evident as I always assumed it to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Could we add a flag to each record that gets set when a change is submitted, and then removed 25 hours after the submission is approved (and removed if a submission is declined)? Then the system could display a note on the edit page for any record that has that flag set. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, if the goal is to display a warning when an editor tries to edit a publication record that has been modified within the last 24 hours, then it can be done without adding new flags. We already have Edit History; it would be easy to modify the software to check it and display a warning. We'll just need to decide on what the warning should say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Mountain being made out of a molehill. No need to add bureaucracy and development effort for a problem that rarely happens. This is a collaborative project which means people could occasionally work on the same items, but, in practice, it rarely happens in a short period of time. People should not feel possessive about their edits. An equally valid solution would be for moderators to put edits on hold and do their research prior to accepting the submission. That way they can make the corrections immediately after accepting the submission. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Let me just clarify that adding a note along the lines of "This Publication was last edited by X and approved by Y on 2023-09-12 at 12:34pm" to EditPub forms affecting recently edited publications would be quite simple. We already have all of the requisite data in a readily accessible location within the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Apparently the definition of possessive, as used in the above comment, is the approving moderator making the necessary changes and/or communicating with the submitting user immediately after approval. Isn't that exactly our responsibility? If not please enlighten me. I don't believe a software solution is necessary. It would surprise me if anyone else would decide to edit a publication immediately after its initial approval. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Re: "edit[ing] a publication immediately after its initial approval", I have come close to accidentally colliding with other editors/moderators a few times. I am subscribed to Amazon's automatic notifications for certain authors. When they publish new books, Amazon sends me an email. Sometimes other editors/moderators buy the same books the day they are published and enter them into the database at around the same time. I don't think it has caused any issues yet, especially now that we have additional yellow warnings, but it's been close a few times. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:09, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: It doesn't take a moderator to know we cannot edit submissions, but must approve them and then make corrections. The comment about research before approval is also incorrect. I had identified the changes I wanted to make. However it took me eight minutes to enter the corrections and the notes to moderator , review and post. P.S. I would have promptly replied to a query as to status.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::This proposal is for a 24-hour period. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:46, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then propose a shorter window. The last time an editor (sitting on the recent updates queue and jumping as soon as they thought they saw something they MUST update now), made a merge on a story in an anthology of 20 titles or more, most of which required updates in the titles and authors (capitalization and spaces an so on) and follow-up merges and my edit had to be redone from scratch because the merge deleted the title ID - thus making the edit unworkable. I did not raise the question back then - I just redid the edit, posted for the new editor (first edit by them -- and anthologies tend to be... not fun) and then walked away for the day. It was not the first time that had happened. If common courtesy won't regulate that and it does happen more often than once in a blue moon, then we will need to spell out some rules. It is not about being possessive or not doing research before approval - it is about giving a moderator the needed time to do their post-approval edits before losing their time and forcing them to either redo the edit from scratch or look through multiple edits to see if something conflicted somewhere and a second edit is required. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The above proposal doesn't address your scenario. A title merge is not a publication edit so wouldn't get the proposed warning. Collisions can happen without people sitting on the recent updates queue & without editing the same pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:54, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: It does - when the merge is because someone opened the recently created publication and looked for duplicates and decided to "help", that is exactly the issue at hand. Collisions always happen - and we all learn to live with them. But these are easily avoidable with a bit of common courtesy (or with a rule that says not to do it - if nothing else works). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Standards question has reached an impasse ==<br />
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Three verifiers cannot reach agreement regarding current standards. The question revolves around the publication pages field and content titles page field. Please help resolve the impasse [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#1634:_The_Bavarian_Crisis here] Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Mandelo, Revisited ==<br />
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Although we view the Lee Mandelo name change as closed, this has not been the case in the general public. In particular, the ISFDB Wikipedia article has recently used Jason Sanford's article about the Lee Mandelo situation as factual evidence of an issue, and I would like to post actual counter evidence of what actually happened. As such, I've been working on two documents. The first is a post-mortem of the situation, which provides a detailed timeline of every submission and communication which is related to the name change. It then summarizes the system issues and potential recommendations. Once the post-mortem is finalized I will post an Open Letter to the SF Community, which will reference that post-mortem.<br />
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The intention of this two articles is to provide a reference-quality document that can be added as a reference to Wikipedia, if needed. So I'd like the documents to be clean, and not contain large sections of indented discussions. There definitely should be discussions, but not within those documents. The first document is available now at:<br />
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* [[User:Alvonruff/A_Post-Mortem_on_the_Lee_Mandelo_Name_Change]]<br />
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Discussion about the document can occur here. Feel free to directly correct any grammar/spelling errors. Detailed discussions about the potential implementation of the recommendations should take place in the usual locations. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 10:42, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Is this discussion only open to moderators? I appreciate Community Portal can be noisy, but assuming that this discussion is open to all ISFDB stakeholders, maybe have a link on that page here at least? <br />
: (Super trivial observation: maybe fix the "Revisted" typo in the item title, before there are any links pointing at the wrong title?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:00, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Fine with me to move the discussion so that it is open to all. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 15:08, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Organizing all of the publicly available data -- submissions, Wiki discussions, etc -- as a timeline sounds like a reasonable idea.<br />
::: One thing that we may want to consider is how the ISFDB project communicates with the outside world. Currently, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_other_Web_sites_and_social_media_accounts_does_the_ISFDB_use.3F the ISFDB FAQ says]:<br />
:::* ''What other Web sites and social media accounts does the ISFDB use?''<br />
:::* ISFDB administrators may post announcements on [http://isfdb.blogspot.com/ this Blogspot] Web page in case of extended unscheduled downtime or connectivity problems. There are no other official or ISFDB-endorsed Web sites, Web pages or social media accounts. Non-ISFDB Web sites and social media accounts maintained by individual ISFDB contributors (editors, moderators and administrators) are independent of the ISFDB and are not endorsed by it.<br />
::: This policy was originally formulated in part due to the existence of Web sites/Web pages like [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb this Facebook page] which uses the ISFDB name and images without clarifying that it is not affiliated with the ISFDB project.<br />
::: The policy means that our project is currently a closed system with no Web/social media presence aside from the ISFDB Web site and no official communications with the outside world except by individual ISFDB contributors acting on their own.<br />
::: If we are to change this approach, we will presumably want to formulate an official communications strategy first. Something like an official social media account, perhaps? (I don't use social media outside of Web/Usenet forums which discuss SF, so I may not be the best person to come up with ideas.)<br />
::: Alternatively, Al could post an "open letter" as an individual. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:12, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::One thing we need to do is try to work with Sanford to correct his information in [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/genre-grapevine-for-december-31-2022 his post]. At least based on the timeline Al posted, the first time a concern was posted in one of the public forums here is on Dec 14, 2022 by the author in question, and everything was handled within less than a week. So saying ISFDB "fought against changing Lee Mandelo’s name in the site’s author listing for over a year" is rather a stretch. As noted, we should find a way to make it more clear when we will change a canonical name, but we certainly weren't "fighting" against changing it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: A new section, "How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?", was [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AFAQ&type=revision&diff=651853&oldid=651852 added to the ISFDB FAQ] on 2022-12-26 based on this and previous discussions. Can anyone think of additional ways to increase its visibility? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:13, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Additionally, Sanford describes Username as a moderator, which is not and has never been the case. At the very least, his comment was certainly insensitive, but Sanford should do his homework before trying to smear the moderators. Simply checking the list at the top of the Moderator noticeboard would have clarified that point. The "bad publicity" really had nothing to do with us making the change. It was the author posting here and making a request. Once we were made aware there was an issue, we discussed it and quickly made the updates (as noted, within less than a week from being made aware of the issue). The majority of that less-than-a-week was sorting out exactly what needed to be done to make all the changes as it's not a simple thing to do, and things have to be done in a specific order in order to not make it even more difficult to update. <br />
::::I think having an official Twitter/X and/or Facebook account would be good as those are the two largest social media platforms for publishing-related things. The Blogspot site is fine, but no one is going to think of looking there since it's rather obscure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Excuse me, how did I get roped into this nonsense? Some trans activists try to bully this site into changing someone's "dead" name and it's my fault now? What comment are you referring to? I do more edits and leave more messages here than everyone else combined --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To clarify: as of last morning, of the 234,773 submissions approved in 2023, 17,359 (7.4%) were created by [[User:Username|Username]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:41, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: so mentioning a singular thing I said a long time ago is pointless because I wouldn't remember it, anyway. Quote me what I supposedly said. EDIT: Never mind, Mr. Sanford quoted me on his Substack page where I quite logically inquired as to what would happen if Mandelo decided their transition was a mistake and wanted to transition back; would Mandelo and all the assorted friends bully ISFDB into changing everything back to Brit? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F current policy] is:<br />
::::::* The name chosen to be the canonical name is the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre.<br />
:::::: Lee Mandelo provided evidence that the "most recognized name within the SF genre" was "Lee Mandelo". Once we confirmed it, we changed the canonical name as per the policy, not because the author requested it. Whether the policy should be changed to account for author preferences is a different issue and fodder for the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: There are countless people online who have said their transition was the result of peer pressure or mental/emotional confusion or bad parents/doctors who encouraged them to transition for their own personal/monetary reasons and, tragically, many of them have already had body parts removed that they'll never be able to replace. Pretending otherwise is choosing not to accept reality. If Mandelo feels like their transition will be permanent and they're happy with that, fine. ISFDB is a gigantic site and highly disorganized; expecting it to run smoothly for one person is unreasonable. The delay in changing the name was due to a complete breakdown in communication, not because of transphobia. I reject terms like "bigoted" and "insensitive" to describe my remark; an apology will suffice. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To my shame, I didn't say anything publicly when this kicked off originally - instead choosing to walk away from any association with this site for several months - but quite frankly, I feel that this site would be better off without you. All the edits you do to fix bad data are great in themselves, but I don't think they are worth all the aggravation you cause. If I recall correctly, at least one moderator refuses to work on your edits, and numerous other moderators and editors have had run-ins with you over your edits and general attitude. You've promised on numerous occasions that you intend to leave this site, any chance you can fulfill those promises?<br />
:::::: It's one thing when that stuff is kept internal to this wiki, but when it explodes into the public domain, like it did last December, then all of us get tarred with the same brush, which is why I walked away then. I have numerous issues with what "the other side" did last December - e.g. Sanford's apparent lack of any sort of reaching out to get the ISFDB side of the story; the fact that (as IIRC Scifibones also found) 5 minutes of investigation disproved the claim that the deadname wasn't being still being used for publications (although it looks like some/most of them have finally been updated) - but it's hard to defend the ISFDB position when you had utterly poisoned the discourse. If you don't believe the comments you posted were utterly inflammatory, can I suggest you step out of your FoxNews/Daily Wire/Newsmax/whatever bubble, and understand that you can't talk to people that way?<br />
:::::: Maybe I'll get attacked or censured for this comment, but quite frankly, I'd rather that happen, than have been silent on this. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:03, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: [[User:Username|Username]] has been warned about being abrasive and about personal attacks, e.g. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Warning_re:_the_last_exchange_with_Willem_H._on_the_Community_Portal here]. However, the ideal outcome is not to drive abrasive editors away, it is to help them improve their ability to communicate with other editors to ensure that the project functions smoothly. If it doesn't work, then [[ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy]], which provides for escalating penalties for misconduct up to and including an indefinite block, comes into play. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Re-reading [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]], I have a few suggestions:<br />
* "14 December 2022" where it says "Mandelo posts a request to the Moderator Noticeboard". I suggest linking [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display the Moderator Noticeboard discussion].<br />
* Same day where it says "A 4-day bibliographic discussion follows with numerous open questions, with responses from Mandelo." I suggest adding that the current standard -- "For authors who publish under multiple names, the canonical name is the most recognized name for that author within the genre" -- was explained to Lee Mandelo who then provided evidence supporting the notion that, as of 2022-12, the "most recognized name" was indeed "Lee Mandelo". That's what triggered the canonical name change.<br />
* The "Recommendations" section of [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]] suggests the following change to the canonical name policy:<br />
** The Canonical Name of a living author should only be changed at the request of the author in question.<br />
* This would be a fairly major policy change which would affect a number of scenarios. For example, we have received canonical author change requests based on authors trying to promote new working names. To quote what I wrote during the 2022-12 discussion:<br />
** It's been occasionally proposed that we make exceptions to our canonical name policy for certain types of scenarios. For example, {{A|Debora Geary}} published ''A Modern Witch'', a series of popular urban fantasies, in 2011-2013. Then, after a painful divorce, she removed all of them from Amazon and restarted her career as Audrey Faye. A few years ago she published a non-fiction account of her recovery after divorce ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835287 Sleeping Solo: One Woman's Journey Into Life After Marriage]) in which she explained why she could no longer be associated with the name "Debora Geary". Another example would be a person converting to another religion and changing his or her name to reflect new beliefs. Changing one's gender would be another scenario which has been discussed a few times, including [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Canonical_names_for_transgender_authors an extensive Rules and Standards discussion in September 2018].<br />
** So far these discussions of possible exceptions have failed to lead to a new consensus, in part because of the number of possible scenarios and sub-scenarios. For example, consider {{A|Poppy Z. Brite}}, who has been using the name "Billy Martin" socially since the early 2010s, but whose books continue to be published as by "Poppy Z. Brite".<br />
* We will need to discuss the proposed change on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page.<br />
[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:23, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In my opinion, the best part about the current policy is that it is quantitative/qualitative and not subjective. We did not use "Brit Mandelo" because of someone's whim or someone's views on Mondelo's gender identity or even popular vote. Technically, the switch from Brit to Lee as canonical was made because the underlying measure of primary identification changed over time and "Lee Mandelo" supplanted "Brit Mandelo". I don't think we should have a blanket policy that authors or their agents can request changes. That's another form of whim, and the ISFDB's purpose is not advertising for authors or publishers. Perhaps one thing we could consider, though, is a policy allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change. E.g., if "ABC" came to us and said "I changed my name to 'XYZ', and all of my books are being pulled from the shelves and are being reissued using that name. Could 'XYZ' be configured as my canonical name?" ISFDB could then project the future and perhaps act early. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:19, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Re: "allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change", we ran into an issue in this area back in the late 2010s.<br />
::: In 2015 the author who had published the "Vladimir Tod/Slayer Chronicles" series as {{A|Heather Brewer}} [https://ew.com/article/2015/06/25/heather-brewer-zac-brewer-transgender/ changed the name] to "Zac Brewer". There were plans to republish Brewer's old books under the new name and at least one SF story was indeed published that way. Based on that, an ISFDB editor proposed that we change the canonical name to "Zac Brewer" with the expectation that it would soon become the "most recognized name ... within the genre". At the time we decided to wait and see what would happen in another year or two.<br />
::: As it turned out, the name "Zac Brewer" was used on 2 non-genre novels in 2016-2017, but all new speculative fiction (2 novels and 1 story) appeared as by "Z Brewer". I guess it goes to show that making assumptions about future releases is chancy in the publishing business. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I agree. Keeping the policy as objective as possible is a good thing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:43, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]], thanks for a very nice job on the timeline. I'm not sure anything posted on social media ever changed anyone's opinion, but it accurately documents the facts. Sections 3 and 4 are better served as the kickoff to the Rules and Standards discussion and should not be included in the public release. A subsequent post documenting our reasoning and any changes is a better course. Anyone interested can follow and/or participate in the R & S discussions (I anticipate multiple threads). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], If you are going to link this thread to the letter, I suggest starting the main thread and moving [[User:MartyD|MartyD's]] & [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe's]] posts there. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:54, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I agree that discussions of the current canonical name policy and any proposed changes belong on the Rules and Standards page. I am just waiting for Al to chime in and clarify whether he meant to propose a change. If he did, then we can move the policy part of the discussion there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:00, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: For Al's postmortem, I think it would be helpful to quote the first paragraph of the '''Canonical Name''' definition from [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] and to summarize the "enter-name-as-it-appears-in-the-publication" policy and provide links to [[Template:TitleFields:Author]] and [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] prior to getting into the timeline. That is the working context for the data present in the system and various events that occurred during the timeline. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:32, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: That's a good point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Review of" ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412925; While my editing which ended after Labor Day won't resume full-time until October I did, after a week without any edits, start doing a few handfuls of clean-up edits fixing this or that which lately have been almost entirely related to D. F. Lewis. I just came across an interesting situation which a mod should probably take care of because it's a 2-step process, changing ESSAY to REVIEW and then link review from the menu, which mods can approve instantly instead of me doing one step and then waiting for approval before doing the other step. Nemonymous 3 mentioned in the review in the zine linked above is on ISFDB, titled Gold Coin; the issue of New Genre is also here as is the issue of Gigamesh. The last non-linked review is of a Norwegian novel whose title translates as a ghost story so that book almost certainly is eligible and should be entered here and then the review linked to it. That one may require someone with a knowledge of the language. I tried to figure out how to search for all instances of "review of" in All Hallows issues but I couldn't do it. Maybe someone else knows how or, if not, an issue-by-issue check will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pohl - Gateway ==<br />
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Has anybody any suggestions how [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rudam#Pohl_-_Gateway this situation] might be resolved. No progress has been made as the PV is unresponsive. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image Deletion ==<br />
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Could a moderator please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THBKFSTRND2014.jpg this image]. The licensing tag information is incorrect. After the deletion, I will re-upload with correct tag. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:47, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. You could have edited the tag BTW :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't realise I could do it myself. Thanks for the image deletion and the heads up re editing the licence tag. I have now figured out how to do it for the future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:44, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shutdown ==<br />
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Library of Congress has an ominous red warning about what will happen if the U.S. government shuts down a few days from now. Will anything on this site be affected or will it make no difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:57, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The only effect will be not being able to look up LCCNs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LOTR Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3078415; Another editor added an archived link to the Canadian edition recently but nobody ever added a link to the USA edition which has been there since 2010 so I just added it. The title is in question because it's written in fancy font on title pages; PV Auric seemed to think Film Book should be 2 words but other editions are Filmbook. So which should it really be, and should Part I be removed from USA title since it's not actually part of the title in the book? PV doesn't respond very often so I thought I'd bring it up here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for Voyage of Mael Duin's Curragh ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49434; I just had my edit adding an archived link and fixing cover artist/adding interior artist but after looking at it I realized dates are off because Locus, https://www.locusmag.com/index/b1.htm, has one of those 2-date things and someone entered book as October but title and cover art are September, with my new interior art credit matching the book's October date. What's the rule? Which date should they all be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:What does it state on the copyright page? If it includes a month, that's what we should use. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:04, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::No, there's no month, if there was that would take precedence over Locus. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art credit removal ==<br />
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As we don't credit designers for coverart, would moderators agree to removing Michniewicz's titles from {{P|129031|here}} and {{P|174091|here}}? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:50, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2000/b5.htm#A119.2 Locus1] credits Michniewicz for the first one's cover. Since he is PV for both, you could try reaching out to Michael (use the ISFDB to send him mail) and see if he'll respond and offer an opinion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:34, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Unfortunately I can't use the email system (it won't work with my provider, even though Ahasuerus has tried to fix it for me) so the only possibility there is if some kind soul would email him for me.<br />
::As far as I can ascertain from all the pub notes, Michniewicz is credited as designer for a lot of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?168 the series] for the simple graphics. It is only for later issues where Gollancz have incorporated actual artwork that the artists get credit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:29, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Any other help please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:03, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I would leave a note on [[User talk:Mhhutchins]] re: the proposed changes. If there is no response after a week, we can remove the COVERART titles and document the designers in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've left a message on his talk page. Thank you for the advice! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:10, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Goss ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?239252; 2 different guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:39, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Goat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?882813; Can a mod take a look at those last 2 edits? I see at least a few problems with ID and web links; maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow Edits ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MOHearn#Return_of_the_Shadow; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5782555; I contacted MOHearn but we have some cross-editing going on so if I can ask one of you to approve my edits (assuming there's no problem with any of them) starting with the one linked above and going through 5782728 (there's 4 non-Shadow edits from 5782649 through 5782652; ignore those) so we can put these behind us. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== El Topo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5784269; HC copy uploaded recently, I'm going to add it (I added that paper edition a while ago) but wanted to get this edit approved first assuming mods agree it should be a chapbook since novelization is only 80-something pages with the rest being non-fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning up English translations of RUR ==<br />
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Hi all, I'm in the process of cleaning up the English translations of {{A|Karel Čapek|161}}'s {{T|2218756|RUR}}. This has led to a bunch of related edit submissions ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791148 5791148], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791149 5791149], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791151 5791151], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791157 5791157], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791159 5791159], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791160 5791160], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791188 5791188]), several of which will involve follow-up edits.<br />
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That said, I'm not quite sure how to approach cleaning up one of the existing {{T|1156033|chapbook}} / {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} pairs. There are 3 associated publications: {{P|328124}}, {{P|362654}}, {{P|529466}}.<br />
* '''{{P|328124}}''' is an English translation by David Short that I expect is distinct from the other two publications.<br />
* '''{{P|362654}}''' is an English translation by David Wyllie that is currently mapped to the wrong title(s) based on viewing the publication's title page via a reading sample from Amazon (see edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995]).<br />
* '''{{P|529466}}''' is a seemingly unknown English translation from Amazon's on-demand (self-)publisher. I haven't been able to find much trace of this particular edition online. I'm guessing this is likely a reprint of the out-of-copyright translation by Paul Selver possibly further adapted by Nigel Playfair.<br />
Do the following actions seem appropriate for this situation?<br />
# Unmerge {{P|328124}} and associate with new variant chapbook and shortfiction titles (distinct translation by David Short)<br />
# Unmerge {{P|362654}} and associate with different variant {{T|1114927|chapbook}} and {{T|1314651|shortfiction}} titles (distinct translation by David Wyllie)<br />
# Leave {{P|529466}} as is, but update associated {{T|1156033|chapbook}} and {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} titles to note that this is an unknown translation.<br />
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Thanks! --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 14:03, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep - when we know the translators of a specific book, unmerge the chapbook and the story, make them variants and add the translator to the notes of both titles. We had been slowly chipping at the early messes such as this one, created long before we started recording translators on the title level - so thanks for sorting it out. I also tend to add a "This title may contain multiple distinct translations" note or something to that effect to the one with unknown translators - when there is more than one book anyway. If two unknowns are known to be different, we also unmerge them and add as much as we know on their notes to identify what goes where... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:23, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Jules Verne has lots of examples of multiple translations in various languages. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:29, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks, that makes sense. I mainly wanted to check how to handle this particular instance because I expected the translator could be identified if someone checked this particular edition. Jules Verne is a good (although more complex) example that I'll keep in mind when I clean up future translation records. --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 17:45, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: We are playing catch-up on these -- for a long time, we did not separate or record per translator - so since we started, it had been a never ending game of finding all of them. And the ones translated into English are the most problematic due to the volume - in most other languages, we are mostly done with adding the Translator template which required the messes to be untangled. There are corners of the DB like that - where you will find surprises you would think cannot happen. Jules Verne looks as good as he does because Doug spent months fixing the records. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Old cover image delete ==<br />
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Could someone please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MCKNGBRDPV0000.jpg the old image], Date/Time: - 11:47, 23 February 2014 - to prevent reverting. The new image is identical but larger. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:26, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:20, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Annie! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Invaders by Adelia Saunders ==<br />
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This concerns the cover art shown for Publication Record # 777558, Invaders by Vaughn Heppner<br />
The cover art shows the author to be Adelia Saunders. She did not write a book called Invaders. She did write one called Indelible.<br />
I went over to Brilliance Audio. This is just a generic cover they use. Its the same cover for Invader by C.J. Cherryh, Artemis Invaded by Jane Lindskoid and a number of others including The Spirit of Dorsai, By Gordon R. Dickson [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 19:51, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?777558 Updated], thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derived prices in early Bantam Books ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25 Bantam Books] was founded in 1945 and concentrated on publishing mass market paperbacks. As far as I can tell, early on they didn't display prices on the cover or on the spine. However, some (all?) of them, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''''The Day He Died''], had ad pages in the back with one or more lists of books which you could buy by sending $0.25 plus $0.05 for postage to the publisher's address. I suppose it's likely that the list price was also $0.25, although it's not a guarantee.<br />
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Some online sources explicitly state that the list price was "$0.25", but I don't know where their data comes from. Some of our records also display "$0.25" in the price field, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''], which has the following note:<br />
* No price stated, but ad pages for current releases list $0.25 price.<br />
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Clearly, this situation requires an explanation in the Note field, but what would you enter in the price field? $0.25? Leave it blank? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:11, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems ok to me to use $0.25 and treat the ad as a secondary source. If we had a book with no printed price on it, found a review (or announcement) contemporaneous with its issuance, and that review stated a price, I think we would normally be happy to use that and cite the review as the source. The ad situation strikes me as equivalent. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:03, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree. As long as there is a note explaining the sourcing of the price, this is not different from finding a price on a publisher site, a contemporary review or any other secondary source. If we ever find a better information that contradicts the price as derived via such a method for that specific book, the note can be adjusted and the price changed if needed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:44, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to Ahasuerus for following up my discussion with him and getting this cleared up. Here's a list, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=contains&TERM_2=Latham&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=Bantam&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], of all Bantam books PV by Scott Latham; he entered prices for all of them and there's a note in the third book that he got the price from Tuck. EDIT: In the 4th book there's a note, "Price from ads in the back, listing other Bantam titles all for 25¢", so it seemed random whether there's no price note or where he got it from if he did leave a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:56, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think this is fine. A note should be included stating where the price was from, but I have no problem sourcing prices that way. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Thanks, folks. I have updated the publication record, deleted a duplicate pub and notified the affected verifier. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Can we have some clarification please because I am confused by this discussion.<br />
:Ahasuerus' initial post implied to me that we are looking at a situation where an unpriced book contains a house ad listing other books for sale from the publisher. All these books are listed with an identical price but the list does NOT contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario A.<br />
:However, MartyD and Annie's replies imply to me that they seem to think the list DOES contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario B.<br />
:We need to consider these two scenarios separately.<br />
:Scenario A: I do not consider it appropriate to infer the price of a book from other contemporary books. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11582 Ace 1st pb ed of Dune], published in 1967, is priced 95c. It's a fat book for its era. However, Ace pb's in that year were typically priced around 50c. So if, hypothetically, Ace books published in 1967 did not have a cover price then it would be erroneous to infer that Dune was 50c based on a house ad listing other contemporary books at 50c.<br />
:Scenario B: This is not contentious. Record the price in the Price field and add a mandatory pub note stating the source, ie the house ad. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:52, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry, I may not have been clear. The ads in the back of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''The Day He Died''] do include ''The Day He Died'' (with the correct catalog ID) in the list of books that you can get for $0.25, so it's "Scenario B" above.<br />
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:: Now that I am thinking about, there may be an additional twist. According to Jon Warren's "Official Price Guide: Paperbacks", some early Bantam paperbacks had 2 versions which shared the ''same'' catalog ID: a regular version and a version in a dust jacket. I don't recall seeing dust-jacketed versions, which are apparently highly prized among collectors. I don't know how they were priced and whether you could get them from the publisher for $0.25. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ah, all is good then. Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:53, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name out of date? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79169 G. Arthur Rahman] has about 15 titles under that canonical name, from the 70s and 80s, but he has over 30 under the name Glenn Rahman (and a few under other forms of the name). [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976477 Here] is my entry of some new 2023 stories in addition to those on that author page. I'm holding off on making them variants to ask: Could his canonical name be changed from G. Arthur Rahman to Glenn Rahman to reflect the majority of bylines? -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:29, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Working on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:31, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I'd think so - provided someone sets out to do the transformation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:32, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done! You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15307 here]. Let me know if I missed anything as this one was more complicated due to the number of pseudonyms. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks, Nihonjoe! I'll put the new stories into their series and look over the older ones. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 13:38, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Juliana Pinha --> Juliana Pinho ==<br />
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Hello, would it be possible to correct 'Pinha' to 'Pinho' in this entry for INTERZONE #295? Thank you.<br />
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190 • Notes From the Meeting of the First State Feder World Court: Walker Dairy, Freeville, NY, 198 Year One: Jessica Jane Pearson Vs. The Stranger Mr. Jacob Hampton • interior artwork by Juliana Pinha<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?977484<br />
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--[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 14:29, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: This depends on the way the artist is credited in the issue: we do document the spelling of a name, even if it is mistyped in a given magazine issue (and then do variant it to the canonical name, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3146115 this example]). <br />
: Anyway, since "Interzone" #295 is primary verified, it is etiquette to ask / inform the primary verifier. You can reach him [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk here]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:05, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the info. It is 'Pinho' in the magazine (on the story cover page, and in the contents page). I'll move this to the primary verifier page, thanks.<br />
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:: --[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 16:55, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Bridge by James E. Gunn, Jack Williamson ==<br />
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Publication Record # 31949 states the artist is Ed Valigursky and that there was not any credit in the book. That the credit came from Jack Williamson's Seventy-Five: The Diamond Anniversary of a Science Fiction Pioneer. Heritage Auctions (fineart.ha.com/itm/paintings/gordon-pawelka-american-20th-century-star-bridge-paperback-cover-1963-oil-on-board-20-1-2-x-1/a/8000-71029.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515) has the artist as Gordon Pawelka. Was this a name used by Valigursky or do we have a conflict?? Hey Heritage could be wrong. It sold in 2020 for $3000 {{unsigned|Aardvark7}}<br />
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== RUSSWOTHE ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:RUSSWOTHE; I made a minor edit for a book PV by this person and noticed there's a stray message in the wrong place. Is it possible to move it to their discussion page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:21, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Followup: Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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Hello. I did not receive a response to my [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Crowley_and_Aziraphale.27s_New_Year.27s_resolutions September 2023 question] about how to catalog a weirdly-published Good Omens short story. So I am repeating the question here, please. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 14:25, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not eligible unless it was downloadable as an ebook - we allow only a limited set of online fiction and "a publisher site" is not amongst them. If it was downloadable as an ebook, it will be added as a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wrong tag for L. Sprague de Camp's ''The Hardwood Pile'' ==<br />
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Hello to all. The tag "science fiction" has been wrongly attributed to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57951 this story], which is only a fantastic and humorous ghost story. Could a bureaucrat please remove it ? TIA, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:31, 12 November 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Remove non-SF/fantasy/speculative fiction incorrectly attributed to an SF author ==<br />
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I recently read and loved the story "In the Days After..." in Asimov's Science Fiction, November-December 2023 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3238197). I was curious about this author who was new to me, with a story I really liked, so I checked ISFDB.<br />
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Most of his work is noted as 1981 and beyond, with a long gap (~28 years) from 1995 to 2023. The Asimov's blurb does note that Frank Ward (William Francis Ward) did take a long time off from writing for "life". https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11458<br />
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There is a 1958 story listed under Frank Ward, "The Dark Corner". I was suspicious of this, as Frank Ward is listed with a 1950 birthdate.<br />
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I checked around. Galactic Central does show a substantial mystery body of work by a different Frank Ward, from the 1930s to the 1960s. http://www.philsp.com/homeville/cfi/n00786.htm#A5<br />
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I confirmed with the current Frank Ward via email that he did not write the mystery story "The Dark Corner", which does show up under the other Frank Ward at Galactic Central.<br />
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Given that "The Dark Corner" here is not by this Frank Ward (William Francis Ward), and that the other Frank Ward who wrote "The Dark Corner" appears to have written mysteries but not SF, fantasy or speculative fiction, I am assuming that I need to delete "The Dark Corner" story from ISFDB. I further assume this is done by the "Delete this title" button.<br />
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Please confirm, or let me know what is needed.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:There's an issue with one of Ward's titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?914168, the Fantasy Book Index, https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+pegasus+suit%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221983%22, says "Pegasus", there's a contents page scan on AbeBooks, https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Fantasy-Book-February-1982-Third-Issue/30051987897/bd, which probably says the same although it's blurry, only way to be sure is looking at the story's title page which would require a copy of the zine, you may want to ask him if he owns it so he can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I'm not quite clear what the issue is. When I looked at any of the 3 copies of the "An Index to Fantasy Book, Volume 1", at Internet Archive, they all note "The Pegasus Suit". Thanks for the clarification.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:57, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for checking with the author! I have disambiguated the author name -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370798 the result here] -- and updated the title record.<br />
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::: As to whether we want to remove [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2550138 "The Dark Corner"] from the database, it depends on a couple of different factors. The story appeared in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569570 anthology ''Bodies and Souls'']. Its dust jacket says "Fourteen Tales of Worldly and Other-Worldly Murder, Mayhem and Mystery", which suggests that it collects both SF and non-SF stories. We currently list one of the stories, "Too Many Coincidences", as "non-genre" while the rest are listed as SF. It's entirely possible that some of them are non-genre; we just don't know one way or the other. Once we know more about these stories, we can decide what to do with the anthology. Since it apparently contains at least some SF stories, we will want to keep the publication record, but if the overwhelming majority of the stories are non-genre, we may end up removing them and documenting them in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::My thanks for handling this. I appreciate and concur with the thinking, and I'll try to retain that for the future. Mr. Ward is pleased this has been revised.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: ISFDB says "Pegusus" which is obviously a misspelling of "Pegasus" but a look at the header on the story's title page is what's needed because it's entirely possible, as so often in zines, that titles differ from what's on the contents page. Searching for "Pegusus Suit" online finds only ISFDB and a couple of booksellers that obviously copied their info directly from ISFDB so it's likely just a simple mistake by whoever entered the contents here. You said you spoke to him via email so maybe you can ask him if he owns that issue of Fantasy Book to check and if it's wrong it will be fixed to "Pegasus". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I have reached out to Frank Ward on this question. I'll circle back when I know, and then correct the title if needed. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I have confirmed with Frank Ward by check of his copy of the 1982 Fantasy Book that "Pegasus" is the correct spelling. He thanks us for making the correction. I will submit that now. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Bodies and Souls is linked at Archive.org in the notes section of its record here so the story can be read to determine if it's genre or not as can the other contents; also, it's much longer than the others in the book and should probably be given novelette length. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::I checked at Galactic Central. They believe this story ("The Dark Corner") is a novella. I will make that change.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts II==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg&wpUploadDescription=%7B%7BCID1%0A%7CTitle%3DA%20Muster%20of%20Ghosts%0A%7CEdition%3DCecil%20Palmer%201924%20hc%0A%7CPub%3DMSTRFGHSTS1924%0A%7CPublisher%3DCecil%20Palmer%0A%7CArtist%3DUnknown%0A%7CSource%3DScanned%20by%20%5B%5BUser%3AUsername%5D%5D%7D%7D]; I was going to upload SFE image but it seemed familiar and it turned out I'd done it already but the image didn't go to the right place; also this old edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959, has been sitting there for months because without an image the signature couldn't be seen. So can someone get the image fixed and approve the cover artist edit? EDIT: After I entered this message it didn't go to the right place because I'd already written about it, with the same message title, long ago but nobody ever answered; it's up above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The image has been added to the pub & your edit approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:06, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MP3 CD price on Amazon note ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that Amazon is now typically showing the as new price for MP3 CDs whose publisher is "Audible Studios on Brilliance Audio" as $10.02. The list price for these CDs as reported on brilliancepublishing.com is almost always $9.99. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:23, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon ==<br />
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I've noticed that Amazon.com is used frequently to verify a publication date. I just wanted to point out that it's an unreliable source, because any time they don't know the exact date, they use the first of the month.<br />
For example, the publication date of this book: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?535016 is listed as 2008-11-01, but the data is from Amazon, so I don't know if that's the accurate date, or they just used the first of the month because they didn't know any better. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Clauditorium|Clauditorium]] ([[User talk:Clauditorium|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Clauditorium|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: The quality of Amazon's records varies a great deal. It's not always clear why the bad data is the way it is, but we can make educated guesses, at least in certain cases. For example, Amazon occasionally -- I would say around 5-10% of the time -- lists unrealistically low (14-32) page counts for English e-book editions of Japanese "light novels". It seems to be related to the fact that some light novels have short (4-20 pages) manga sections at the beginning of the book. We don't know why it affects Amazon's page counts, but it's something that editors have to keep in mind when entering light novel records using Amazon's data.<br />
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: Re: dates, it depends on how old the record is, where the book was originally published and the publisher. For older books, some records have no day/month information, some add arbitrary "-01" or "-01-01" to the end of the month or year, and some have surprisingly accurate dates even for books published in the 1960s/1970s. Our best guess is that "surprisingly accurate dates" come from publishers' catalogs that Amazon has/had access to.<br />
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: Amazon.com's records for books published in other countries frequently list the "US availability" date as the publication date. There can be a big gap between these two types of dates for books originally published in the UK and especially in Australia/New Zealand, which is why Amazon's dates for these types of books are often wrong.<br />
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: Also, a note on the terminology. We use Amazon stores -- Amazon.com, Amazon UK, Amazon DE, etc -- as ''sources'' of our data, but we don's use it for ''verification''. We have a number of recognized "secondary verification" sources which you can see if you display a publication record and click on "Verify This Pub" link under "Editing Tools", then scroll down to "Secondary Verifications". Like everything else in this world, these verification sources are not perfect, but their data is, on average, better than Amazon's.<br />
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: Ultimately, the ISFDB data is only as good as our sources. Even primary verified data can be imperfect due to data entry errors and misunderstandings. That's why it's so important to document exactly where our data comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== US Copyright Office website ==<br />
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Do you guys ever use the US Copyright Office website? I would think that would be the most reliable source. It often has publication dates down to the day, whereas other sources only have them down to the month.<br />
https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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: We use a variety of secondary sources to determine publication dates as discussed in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources this Help section]. The Copyright Catalog can be (and have been) used as a secondary source of information as long as we keep in mind that their "Date of Publication" values and "Registration date" values are often different, so we need to make sure to use their "Date of Publication" values.<br />
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: Another thing to keep in mind is what [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] calls "Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality":<br />
:* Publication date does not always perfectly match the calendar date. For example, a January issue of a magazine is usually available in December of the previous year, and often earlier than that. Books with a January publication date may often be bought in the closing weeks of the prior year; they will show the later year's copyright date, even though that year has not yet started. In these cases, the convention is to use the official publication date rather than to try to identify when a book actually first became available. If there is a large discrepancy -- for example if a book was printed but unexpectedly delayed before release -- then this can be noted in the notes field.<br />
: [https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=26&ti=1,26&SEQ=20231120164838&Search%5FArg=crichton%20michael&Search%5FCode=NALL&CNT=25&PID=hderjMf9JaGhuG3tox2UMY1nLcK_&SID=1 This Copyright Catalog record for the first edition of ''Disclosure'', a non-genre novel] by {{A|Michael Crichton}}, is a good example. The "Date of Publication" value is "1993-12-20", but the publication date stated in the physical book is "January 1994". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:02, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: When it comes to magazines, I'm aware of the disconnect between publication date listed on the copyright site and the date printed on the magazine cover. {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Back when mass market paperbacks took off in the United States, their publishers piggybacked on pre-existing distribution channels and inherited some of the peculiarities of the magazine distribution system. They also had to deal with numerous technical limitations of the printing business as it existed ca. 1950. For example, you could order a paperback with 96 pages or a paperback with 128 pages, but anything in between wasn't viable because of the way mass market paperbacks paperbacks were produced. Sometimes authors and/or editors were able to cut or pad stories to make everything work seamlessly. Other times typesetters had to add empty pages or use other tricks to pad the page count.<br />
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::: We see similar issues surface even in 2023. Amazon's page count values are often off because publishers create pre-publication records based on estimates. When books are produced, the actual page count is usually different. Not all Amazon records are updated post-publication, so we always take what's there with a grain of salt. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:10, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As for novels, I've noticed that in several cases, the date listed by isfdb.org is missing the day, but the copyright site will have this info. For example, Misery by Stephen King is listed here as being published on 1987-06-00; on the copyright site, the publication date is indicated as 1987-06-08 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1513). If I come across such occurrences, should I make a correction, crediting the copyright site? {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Sorry, I didn't quote the most applicable part of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Date]] earlier. Here is the relevant section:<br />
:::* The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See Secondary Sources of Dates.<br />
::: So the answer is yes, editors can make the date more precise as long as it is "otherwise consistent with publication's stated date" and the source is documented in Notes. If there is a discrepancy -- as in the case of {{A|Michael Crichton}}'s ''Disclosure'' (see above) which was offered for sale in late December 1993 but the printed publication date says "January 1994" -- then we use the printed date and optionally document what secondary sources like the Copyright Office or Amazon say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:24, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Captured By the Engines ==<br />
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Can someone approve my submission 5819033? Because I need to add month to merged art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications" on the New Submissions page ==<br />
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A new table, "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications", has been added to the New Submissions page. It will appear at the top of the page if any pending submissions affect the logged-in moderator's primary verifications. If you run into any issues, please report them here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:27, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Can Ellen Be Saved ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291669; I just uploaded new cover but it didn't go to the same Wiki page and replace old cover, it just created a new page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I added the new one to the pub and deleted the old one after verifying it was not used in any other pubs. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One New Message ==<br />
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"The following Contents titles have dates after the proposed publication date"; I got this message after submitting an edit for Tor ed. of G. Masterton's Mirror because month was April, not May, and cover art needed fixing in another edit. Is this new? I don't remember seeing that before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This warning was [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#New_yellow_warning_when_a_changed_Publication_date_is_before_one_of_the_Title_dates implemented on July 31] as per {{FR|1569}}, "Add a warning when a changed pub date is before one of the title dates". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:08, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Server issue? ==<br />
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Is there a server problem? I'm getting a 500 Internal Server Error message when trying to submit a Clone Publication. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:26, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Nevermind. I opened a new Clone the Pub tab and was able to submit the request successfully. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Log In ==<br />
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Why am I not logged in? Is there some new problem now? I see Username when I'm on the Wiki pages but the front page says "You are not logged in". EDIT: I got tired of waiting so I entered "Username" and "password" and that worked but a message popped up saying password was used in a data breach on Google or something like that. I don't know what's going on. Maybe someone can tell me if anyone else got that message or got logged out for no reason. I sincerely hope all of my info and edits and everything else that was there before I re-logged in is still exactly the same and nothing was changed/lost. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Old Edits ==<br />
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I'm trying to get my edits that have been sitting for months approved. I'll start with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747517, which is just a simple change from a dead Google Drive link to one that works. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747546; Just a simple cover image, Rudam said long ago in the thread "Rejected?" on his board that there's no need to ask about covers except for a couple of specific publishers. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749772; Just an archived link and an obvious format fix. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Changing the format is a major change and should not be approved unless the active verifiers have agreed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750346; Just an archived link and an obvious fix of LCCN in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::The active verifier has asked that he be contacted through the email system about changes. No indication in the edit that this was done, or what the response was. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750954; Just a simple LCCN ID and cleanup of several misspellings in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Moderator note only states "cleaned up sloppy note" without specifying what was changed. Best to notify the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757566; Just a simple note about the cover; it's on this page, https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/3786/fred-pickersgill-graves-give. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::This one is more of a judgement call. Personally I think it's too much information that is not germane to the publication. What does the soundtrack artist have to do with the book? I could have lived with something along the lines of "Cover is from the filmed version of 'The Female of the Species'". However, other moderators may differ. At a minimum, if we're going to go into this much detail, it should probably go below a <nowiki>{{BREAK}}</nowiki> tag. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved by JLaTondre. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Science ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5824080; I did add the archived link and the cover image but I didn't touch those reg. title art and story things so does anyone know why it says I did? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: It is a kinda known issue with the software when titles contains special characters, especially older titles added before some of the latest changes in handling these from the last years (in this case it is the <nowiki><</nowiki> that is throwing the fit. Because of that, the comparison for changes detects a change - even if there is none). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:56, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title change with no PVs ==<br />
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I was getting ready to add the audiobook and CD editions to Steven Erikson's novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424072 Rejoice] but noticed that the correct title name should be <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i> instead of just <i>Rejoice</i>. I looked at WorldCat, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, SFE, and Wikipedia, and in all cases except SFE, that is shown as the correct title. Would there be any objection to me changing the title to <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i>? None of the publications have a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:17, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The publisher also refers to it as 'Rejoice, A Knife to the Heart', [https://www.promontorypress.com/books/rejoice-a-knife-to-the-heart/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SF Adventures Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827099; I can never remember which changes to names affect what, so if someone can approve this assuming artist change won't mess anything up with info on his page or whatever. Also, both PV are long-gone so someone may want to check and see if there are any little details that I missed which need correcting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looks good, submission approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:01, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Liam Hogan versus Laim Hogan ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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In working to add the story "Ana" by Liam Hogan in "The Best of British Science Fiction 2016", I need to add it's first publication in Scientific American, as noted in the "Best of British Science Fiction" copyright page and else on the internet at Scientific American.<br />
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I checked the author's name. There is no "Liam Hogan" currently in ISFDB, but there is a "Laim Hogan", the author of the 2019 short fiction "XX". "XX" is listed as published in "Best Indie Speculative Fiction: Volume Two, November 2019". Upon looking at that "Best Indie..." on Amazon, the preview shows "Liam Hogan" on both the cover and table of contents.<br />
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Upon checking further, the website https://happyendingnotguaranteed.blogspot.com/p/2014.html for Liam Hogan notes both "XX" and "Ana" as his stories.<br />
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Therefore, I would appreciate it if a moderator could correct this author's name in ISFDB to "Liam" Hogan. Once that is done, I'll add "Ana" in the Scientific American webzine.<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:46, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: We do have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?180891 Liam Hogan] so I cannot rename [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?336607 Laim Hogan]. Same guy I think? If so, the fastest solution is to just fix the author on the stray story. If not, I will be happy to differentiate them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:52, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for fixing the author entry. Looks correct now. I'll go ahead and add the first publication for "Ana" now. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dave888|contribs]]) .</small> 14:03, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A SHORTFICTION title incorporated into the body of a NONFICTION title ==<br />
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I am holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823707 this submission], which would import {{A|Howard Koch}}'s SHORTFICTION title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982024 The Invasion from Mars: A Radio Adaptation] into the 2009 NONFICTION book [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765971 Waging The War of the Worlds: A History of the 1938 Radio Broadcast and Resulting Panic, Including the Original Script]. As the title of the NONFICTION book states, the text includes Koch's script, so normally it would make sense to approve the submission. However, the Notes field explains that:<br />
* Howard Koch's radio script is incorporated into the body of the book's main text, rather than being a separate essay.<br />
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Would you say that it makes sense to list the SHORTFICTION title as a Contents items in this pub? Or is it better presented as a part of the NONFICTION title? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:44, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My five cents: I'd say it makes sense if the piece is incorporated as a whole and without interruptions (of explaining notes). In the latter case the piece may only serve as a means to comment on Koch's unique handling (or something similar). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:25, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::If it's contained in its entirety and its content appears in proper order (whether or not contiguously), I am inclined to allow it. Technically, the work is published in the book. If it's not contiguous, the situation strikes me as similar to publications of "braided" stories. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:49, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks, folks. I have approved the submission, notified the inactive primary verifier and updated Notes to clarify the situation. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Entries disappeared ==<br />
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At least four of my entries from the last few weeks have disappeared from the database. I looked for the new publication series page, Gruselkabinett, as I was going to add more, and it and the four books I entered in it are gone. They're audio books: <i>Der Bluthund</i> by H.P. Lovecraft, <i>Die Weiden</i> and <i>Das unbewohnte Haus</i> by Algernon Blackwood, and <i>Die Toten sind unersättlich</i> by Leopold Sacher-Masoch. Even a new author entry they generated has vanished, the artist on two of the titles, Johannes Belach. I have no idea if more of my entries have disappeared. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 12:24, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking submission history (a moderator-only menu option), I see the following:<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981382 Publication ID 981382, ''Der Bluthund''], created on 2023-12-02 16:30:43. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:08:08. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981093 Publication ID 981093, ''Die Weiden''], created on 2023-11-30 18:58:05. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:37. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981433 Publication ID 981433, ''Das unbewohnte Haus''], created on 2023-12-02 20:36:31. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:13. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* I can't find an audio book version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3248968 Die Toten sind unersättlich] using moderator tools. I could presumably do it using programmer tools, but it would take time.<br />
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: I assume that Stonecreek deleted the 3 pubs listed above as per [[ISFDB:Policy]], which says:<br />
:* '''Included''': audio books, i.e. readings, but not dramatizations<br />
: I'll ask Stonecreek to join this discussion. We'll need to make sure that we are all on the same page or else we'll be stuck in an endless cycle of some editors adding certain books and other editors deleting them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:01, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, I deleted them on the basis of the rule that dramatizations are not to be included. I stumbled over the entry for "Die Weiden" upon reading a review at 'phantastiknews.de' of the play, and found that the other entries for publications fell into the same category. (A good rule of thumbs for a first check is if there are more than one speakers for a piece, it is most likely that it is a dramatization). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. In the future, when you come across publication records for ineligible works (like dramatizations), please use Edit History to identify the original submitter(s) and discuss the issue with them first. That way they will be made aware of what is and is not eligible for inclusion and won't make the same type of mistake in the future. Without an explanation, they'll be either confused and frustrated when the data that they previously submitted disappears or they will continue adding ineligible records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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I should leave it at that, since Ahasuerus was a lot more measured than I could be right now over the situation. -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In the past, we didn't have Edit History, so it was hard to tell who did what when. Now that it's been available for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development/Archive/2021 almost three years], it should be the default tool used to figure out why something appears to be off and whether a discussion is warranted.<br />
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: That said, old habits die hard. I still occasionally catch myself making a change, then realizing that I should have checked Edit History first. Hopefully, things will improve going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: My name was right there in the WorldCat verification on all four of those entries. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 21:34, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: My apologies: I stiil have to adapt to making a direct notification: as with this case I came upon this while doing research for another author at the news site, and carried on with this other task after that to get it done in that specific setting. <br />
::: And I didn't recall that the note left in the moderator's field wouldn't be easy to find. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::: (I'd love to add some really good audio plays to the database, but they ''are'' excluded, just like the ones you had added). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series Parent Position and Series Num fields ==<br />
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"Series Num" can have numbering that are not integers (e.g., 2.1, 2.2, etc.), but apparently the "Series Parent Position" field when editing series can only be integers. Can we change the field to allow non-integer numbering? This would allow subseries to be placed in the correct location with a larger series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:40, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This functionality was requested in {{FR|1403}}, "Allow decimal numbers as Series Parent Position values". Unfortunately, it is much harder to implement than it looks. The way the "Series Number" field works for title records is rather involved; back when I implemented it, it took me weeks to get everything updated and debugged. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds good. I'm glad it's on the list. Thanks for all your work on the backend of things. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic information for Strange Tales ==<br />
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For the UK magazine Strange Tales edited by Walter Gillings I believe that the noted second printing of the first issue is just a variant cover. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?618191<br />
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In George Locke's Spectrum of Fantasy, volume 1, page 3 he states as such. His examination of the two copies he had was that they were identical with the exception of two different covers. I would find it hard to believe that an attempt of a new publication which was dodging the fact it was a magazine would go into two printings, as there were still paper shortages after the War. The price on both covers is the same, one shilling net on one cover 1/- on the other. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jwkbooks|Jwkbooks]] ([[User talk:Jwkbooks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jwkbooks|contribs]]) .</small> 17:12, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Long time for approval? ==<br />
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Is it unusual if my relatively minor edits take two weeks or more to be approved? Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 22:38, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Typically, it wouldn't take that long, but unfortunately, the "New Submissions" queue has been very long recently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:51, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 00:17, 28 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Missing Clone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5832571; What happened to the clone? It's not there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The submission failed because one of the titles in the cloned publication, 2439970 (Intelligence and Luck), is no longer present. It appears that the title was merged in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816680 this edit] which was submitted on November 21st and approved on December 12. I'm guessing that your clone submission was submitted within that time frame. When the merge was done, the other title record was the one that was kept, and 2439970 was deleted. You should be able to re-clone the container title and pick up the current contents including the merged title of that story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:11, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art weirdness ==<br />
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So browsing (as you do). I came across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1379001 this] cover art entry which seems, to my eye at least, an identical piece to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139158 this one]. Any comments ?--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:40, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:To my eye, these look identical. We would have to research the Maria Carella credit for the French ones. Likely Herve put on one and then carried that over into the other by cloning. The Tim Jacobus credit on the ''Doomsday Book'' covers seems clear (from copyright statement on hardcover's jacket flap). My first guess would be a misinterpretation of some sort of general artist credit on ''Le grand livre'' as referring to the cover instead of to interior artwork. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:42, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) These are definitely based on the same cover art. The question then is whether the cover artist was really credited as "Maria Carella" in this J'ai Lu edition or whether it's a data entry error in our database. Checking Google, I see that J'ai Lu has used at least two other covers -- https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjbJRjGrF4EtBXromnm4E-mn-bwNjmriUiD9y_zEqCWxOsPAdQkITLtQ-6VzOAKbgq3b4&usqp=CAU and m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61mHPaZVmdL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg -- and it's possible that one of them was done by Maria Carella. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:49, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I did more research and found some pictures. In the original Bantam edition, the copyright page has "Book design by Maria Carella" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_37245aad-355d-4ecf-981b-2939ddd31921_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]) and the rear flap says "Cover illustration &copy; 1992 by Tim Jacobus" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_7be69af1-7c70-4430-86da-f306440e8119_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]). So I think the book design credit got conflated with cover artistry, either by J'ai Lu or someone else (if Herve did not have the books, his source might have been NooSFere, which credits the cover to Carella). Unless anyone disagrees, I will change the credit on the French ones and document the discrepancy with French secondary sources and probable source of the confusion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Nice! I also wonder if {{A|Maria Carella}} was the cover artist or the cover designer for the first (1988) edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354512 Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology]. Our source is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t203.htm#A12107 the Locus Index], which simply says "cover by Maria Carella". <del>For what it's worth, the Internet Archive has the [https://archive.org/details/visionsofwonders0000unse/page/n5/mode/2up 1996 edition, which has a different cover, on file] and its copyright page says "Design by Lynn Newark"</del> -- '''never mind, it turns out that "Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1988) and "Visions of Wonder: the Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1996) are completely different'''. Even if we keep Maria Carella as the cover artist, we will want to change her working language from French to English. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:41, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=maria+carella; She's mentioned in 16 notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I made these adjustments: Maria Carella language to English. ''Le grand livre'' cover credit to Jacobus (+ variant to ''Doomsday Book'' cover). Added note to French cover and to the first of the French pubs about secondary sources crediting Carella but her being credited as book designer (and Jacobus as cover illustrator) in original Bantam edition. Added note to Bantam hc about the book design credit. I found some pictures of portions of the interior of that anthology, but they did not include the copyright or credits pages, so I couldn't conclude anything about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:28, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Data entered exactly as on books [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/74/Grand_livre.jpg 1994 on top, 1995 below, "illustration" having the same meaning in both langages, "de" meaning "by"].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] ([[User talk:Hauck|talk]]) 05:26, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Well, that is quite clear, too, then. Then I guess we should have a "Maria Carella (in error)" as an alternate name then, with the above explanation, and the cover art with that credit as the variant. And no direct credit to Jacobus in the J'ai Lu editions. Does that sound correct to everyone? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:28, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::Sounds good to me. I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10617 Bantam 1st ed hc] and have checked it against the above discussion and concur. The book also states "Jacket design by Jamie S. Warren Youll" on rear flap which reinforces the statement that Maria Carella was only involved in the book design, not the cover. I have PVd the pub record and submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847617 this edit] to add extra info and change the source of all the data to the actual book. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:34, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::::Happy New Year, everyone. I have made the further adjustments I proposed above, and I accepted the changes to the Bantam edition. Please correct -- or let me know about -- anything that still is not as it should be. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:08, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New translations of Ursula K. Le Guin's Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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A few days ago I posted 2 records for a 1981 and a 2002 edition of ''Pimeduse ahem käsi''. the Estonian translation of ''The Left Hand of Darkness'', and 2 images for their respective book covers. I realize it's the holiday season and that there's a backlog... I have a Bulgarian translation as well and I'd like to upload that, though I worry that I'm not doing it right. Also if there are any editors or moderators here with a particular interest in Le Guin I'd like to make your acquaintance. Cheers, [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 14:45, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Hello and a happy new year, Evertype! I do think that I do fall into the category, as Le Guin is in the top three of my favourite authors. I have to admit that most of the copies I own contain German translations (and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar Jens]' German collection seems to be even more complete, but nowadays he isn't so often around). I know there are lots of translations of her work missing (with Dutch, French & German seemingly well-covered). If you have any questions that you think I might be able to help in, just ping me on my talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:16, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== External ID: PPN ==<br />
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It seems that the Dutch National Library has changed its www address. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs Here] it is "picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/" but doesn't work any more. The new one seems to be "picarta.oclc.org/psi/xslt/DB=3.9". Please have a look on that. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 13:35, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: The "PPN" template has been updated as well. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:48, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Charles Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873365; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873368; Can I get these 2 edits approved? I was going to add the other book by the author mentioned in the F&SF essay but online photo says Charles Williams on title page; checking further revealed that it's the same for Rolling Pin. There's already a famous novelist of that name and an artist on ISFDB so what do you think this guy should be known as, maybe (I)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pages of deceased users ==<br />
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Would it be helpful or useful to block the user pages and talk pages of deceased users, so no edits or submissions can be made any more? Ahasuerus told me these pages viewed as something like memorials, so they should be left untouched. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:40, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Generally, we put the [[:Template:Deceased user|Deceased user]] template at the top of their pages so people know not to post comments or questions there. So far, I haven't seen a huge problem with simply leaving them as they are. If problems do occur, we can always lock the pages so only admins can edit them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:49, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Locking the Talk pages will cause confusion to newer editors who are directed to post on the PV's pages and if the first few they hit are ones of the ones we had lost - asking them to post there while they cannot will either make them never post anywhere or just get frustrated. Plus the pages that we want to preserve are the User pages, not the Talk pages. I'd argue that User pages should be locked for Admin and the user they belong to at all times but that will make life harder and we do not have too many issues so I never raised that up as a proposal. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I was only suggesting locking the pages if we ran into problems where someone was editing them maliciously and we needed a way to stop it. Pages can be locked from editing for a brief period of time, too, which is generally the only kind of locking that's needed. Only in extreme cases would a page need to be locked for more than a week or so. I do like the idea of locking the user page of deceased editors, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: We are in agreement -- I was just mentioning that locking the Talk pages is going to cause other possible issues downstream (unlike User pages which can be safely locked without side effects). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:07, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Add link at the bottom of "Author Merge Update" ==<br />
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After two or more authors are merged, can we please add a link to the resulting record on the confirmation page (post approval). Now you need to either keep a record open or look for it again once the merge completes. (the script in question is cgi-bin/mod/aa_merge.cgi). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:29, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: {{FR|1591}} has been created and implemented. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Now, that's quick fix - less than an hour between reporting and getting it live on the server ;) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Safari ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?648417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884004; PV used wrong cover so I uploaded right one from recent archived copy but they also added wrong uploaded wraparound image in the notes. Can someone approve my edit and then move the note over to the other edition? The record number doesn't make a difference to where the image points, I assume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: The note has been moved to the correct publication. Is the interior art the same for both publications? If so, merge the two tile records. If not, we need a note on each and a do not merge warning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:33, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shattered Lens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892580; After checking further it turns out the correct title I fixed "Tears" to was used for the story's reprint in a magazine a few years later. After approval will the titles merge on their own or will it need to be done manually? If manual, can someone approve this so I can merge before I forget? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Approved. You need to merge them. Submit and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:13, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::All done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:19, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX; It won't make much difference to my PV because I only have about 50 but I can foresee trouble with others if he starts adding Roman where they don't belong. This is a common problem with other editors, too, where they add Roman even though the numbering goes straight from Roman to non-Roman. A LOT of DAW Books, for example, have unnecessary numbers entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:From the help, bullet point 2 under [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Pages]:<br />
:* "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers for introductory material, followed by Arabic numerals for the main text of the book, enter both sets of numbers. For example, a book with a page count field of "viii+320" has "viii" as the highest numbered page with a Roman numeral. (Note that there are no spaces in the page count.) Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored. Note that you should include the enumeration of the pages in Roman numerals even if there is no material that requires a separate content record (such as an introduction or preface) in those pages. This is in contrast with the situation with unnumbered pages prior to page 1; see the following bullet point for what to do in that case."<br />
:[https://www.ebay.com/itm/296164887458 This ebay.com listing] shows Roman numerals as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897763 this submission] suggests. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::If I understand that correctly then I disagree and you can find many instances on the boards here where mods tell editors to enter Roman only if the book doesn't continue the numbering straight into the Arabic. That's the way I enter Roman (except possibly for my early edits where I wasn't sure what I was doing) and so do many others. This has led to a lot of confusion. For example, this record's notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629077, mention this situation and only Arabic were entered while the notes here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979406, are similar but both Roman and Arabic were entered. I'm sure there are countless other examples. So nobody seems sure what the right way to do it is but if one has really been decided on then that would entail fixing thousands and thousands of records where they were entered the other way. That would be a huge task. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::For my own understanding's sake: The situation being discussed here is a contiguous set of pages, ending on Arabic-numeral'ed '''''366''''', but where the first fourteen pages are Roman-numeral'ed '''''i - xiv''''' and the remaining three hundred fifty-two are Arabic-numeral'ed '''''15 - 366'''''? If that is the case, I don't think the help covers this scenario. While the second bullet does seem to call for entering the highest Roman numeral plus the highest Arabic numeral, the third bullet also talks about counting backwards from the first "numbered page to see which is page 1". That would technically mean page i is also page 1, and there is no introductory material before page 1. The second bullet seems to assume the numbering of the pages for introductory material does not overlap the numbering of the pages for the main text, which is not the case here. Recording xiv+366 would record the numbering accurately but would completely distort the page count, which is that the Pages field is all about. I would record this as Pages = 366 with a note that the main text starts on p. 15 and the pages prior to that are numbered i - xiv, just as I would record it with Pages = 366 and a note that the text starts on numbered p. 15 if there were no numbered pages before it with any relevant content. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:32, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::Ah. Pages. My favourite subject. :-)<br />
::::I agree that the Help Notes do not cover this scenario adequately. I doubt the scenario was considered when the Notes were written. Consequently, past editors have just done what they think best at the time. As Username correctly states, no matter what we decide here, there is a legacy problem of all the existing inconsistent records which will be almost impossible to reconcile. I also agree that an explanatory pub note in this situation should be mandatory.<br />
::::However, that is where my "agreements" end. In this example, Pages should be recorded as xiv+366. Under the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Help for Pages], the bullet point starting "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers" unambiguously states that both Roman and Arabic Numerals should be entered. The following bullet point, starting "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1" is not applicable to this scenario because there are no unnumbered pages before page 1.<br />
::::Although xiv+366 does distort the page count, this argument does not hold water because it is existing ISFDb policy that we do distort the page count. See this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book#Some_examples_about_page_count_accuracy How To] under the bullet point starting "Approximation:"<br />
::::Another feature I like about using xiv+366 occurs in the situation where there is recordable content in the Roman Numeral pages. Suppose there is a map on page vi. Then vi would be entered as the start page of the map in the Contents section. It would look really illogical and inconsistent if the Pages field for the publication merely contained 366. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:08, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::This discussion has stalled. There have been no comments for more than three weeks and there is no consensus. The current tally is 2 (Scifibones, Teallach) in favour of specifying Pages as Roman+Arabic (xiv+366 in this example) versus 2 (MartyD, Username) in favour of specifying Pages as just Arabic (366 in this example). This issue was initiated by Faustus [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX here] but he appears to be abstaining.<br />
:::::Does anyone else have an opinion on this subject so that we can establish a consensus and form a rule?<br />
:::::There is an alternative option which is to deliberately not have a rule at all and just leave the specification of Pages in this situation at the discretion of the first PVer of the publication. This is not my preferred solution but I have some sympathy with this approach. If we establish a rule then, whichever way it goes, there will be a legacy issue. It will result in potentially thousands of historic records that were created "wrongly" and which cannot be systematically detected or corrected. However, if we just live with the inconsistency then there is no legacy issue. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:44, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::I agree with Scifibones and Teallach that the page count should be xiv+366 along with a note indicating that there is a switch from Roman to Arabic numbers with the last Roman number as "--" and the first Arabic number as "nn". I doubt that there are really a huge number of historic records that fit this exact edge case - but of course I could be guessing wrong. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:29, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Sorry, I haven't changed my opinion, but one other note: There is a sort of precedent in the Magazine page numbering bullet, where if the page numbering is continuous across issues, the printed page numbers are relegated to the notes and the actual page count is used in Pages. Granted, it is not the identical situation, but the spirit of the example is not to have Pages = 384 where the pub has only 192 pages. 380 vs. 366 is not so extreme, but to me 380 is still misleading. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:37, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::::MartyD, I do not see the relevance of your point. It only applies to magazines. The ISFDb treats the Pages field differently for books and magazines. This is well established in this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book howto] which starts:<br />
::::::::"Important notes"<br />
::::::::"1. Please note that this howto is for '''books only''' (hardcovers, paperbacks, trade paperbacks), not for other types like magazines."<br />
::::::::and goes on to specify much information and examples that only apply to the Pages field for books. This includes the bullet point starting "Approximation:" which is very relevant to this discussion as it confirms that the value that goes in the Pages field for books is not necessarily the same as the number of pages you would get by manual counting. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:41, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Yes, I am aware of all of that. I am only pointing out that one of the rules already accounts for a situation where using the printed page numbers as a basis would grossly misrepresent the number of pages in the publication. Regardless of our personal opinions, probably the best thing to do for this non-magazine situation is to figure out what other bibliographic sources do and, if there is a consensus, have that be the ISFDB standard. But THAT is a discussion for the R&S page. The conclusion I draw from the discussion here is that two different methods are used, with many instances of each, and the help is unclear. To me that means if a current pub was entered using either scheme, that scheme should not be changed to the other scheme until a single scheme is settled on and the help is clarified. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:19, 17 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Pandemic ==<br />
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Since the CDC officially ended its Covid-19 declaration in May of 2023 the note on our front page about forthcoming books possibly being delayed by the pandemic should be removed. Any delays now are due to other reasons. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hound Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5909601; Can someone approve this if they agree all my additions/changes are correct? Whoever entered author info spelled legal first name wrong so it needs fixing and I'm not sure if the info will be there with the name change per book's title page or if a mod has to do it from the author's record or something or other. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:03, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Done. I moved the info from the old author record to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?376213 new record], correcting that spelling error. I also fixed the review to refer to the M.-less name, so the old record went away due to no further references. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:48, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== George W. Barlow ==<br />
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Bonjour, je vous contacte pour l'article concernant mon père George W. Barlow<br />
Il y a quelques corrections et compléments qu'il voudrait apporter :<br />
Concernant sa biographie :<br />
il est né à Le Havre en Seine Maritime et non à Grenoble (où il vit)<br />
il a fréquenté l'Ecole Normale Supérieure de la rue d'Ulm et en est sorti Agrégé d'Anglais <br />
Vous trouverez ces données biographique en quatrième de couverture dans l'ouvrage que vous citez :<br />
La Science-Fiction (1987) (avec ANDREVON Jean-Pierre et GUIOT Denis)<br />
M.A. Editions, Le monde de... n° 39, 1987.<br />
Concernant sa bibliographie :<br />
-vous pouvez rajouter le roman « Antéros » publié en 2012 chez EONS collection Fantasy n°140<br />
et republié ensuite à compte d'auteur chez The BookEdition sous le titre « Antéros et chimères »<br />
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Je me tiens à votre disposition pour tout complément d'informations et vous saurais gré de me tenir informée de la suite que vous donnez à mon courrier.<br />
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Très cordialement.<br />
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Catherine Matheron/Barlow <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Catalpa|Catalpa]] ([[User talk:Catalpa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Catalpa|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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== Series ordering help ==<br />
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Hi all. I could use some help with [[User_talk:Piedro01#Mary_Stewart_Merlin_.2F_Arthurian_Saga_series_ordering|this discussion]] about ordering within one specific [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?12110 title series]. The publisher, and other sources, refer to each title's place relative to the others using the publication order. Our current series ordering reflects that. The editor feels rather strongly that the series ordering should instead reflect the internal chronology of the stories. I am afraid I may be biased, so I could use some other opinions (or even more definitive guidance, if I have misinterpreted something). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:33, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: I prefer publication order (except for some prequels that can go at 0 or novellas and stories that fall in between novels to get in their places)... We have it like that in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?689 Foundation] for example - with the two prequels at the end of the list even if they are chronologically first. If an editor insists on doing something else and they are willing to document and show sources where that other order is used and it is the common way the series is numbered online/in sources, I would consider it. But if the publisher and most other sources refer to the order in a different way, it just confuses things. As we cannot show two different sorting ways, editors are welcome to add Notes on the series page with the chronological order if they want... <br />
: In this case, I am with you - leave it at publication order, add a note for the chronological order - mainly because this is the order that people usually use outside of our DB. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:18, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::I agree with Annie, for the same reasons given by Annie. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:33, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::If current policy is not changed, there is no basis for rejecting [[User talk:Piedro01|Piedro01's]] two submissions. However, I also favor changing policy along the lines [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] spelled out. That's what I have always used, not realizing I could be outside policy. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: Out of curiosity - which policy do you think that the current order of that series (and Foundation) contradict and needs changing for them to be "in policy"? If you are saying that we technically do not have a policy and either way can be considered correct (so the submissions are approvable because of that), then the overall policy of ISFDB (we document what we see/find, we do not invent) is in favor of leaving them as they are based on almost all other sources using the current order. Plus I also favor "first editor decision stands within reason" in ambiguous situation because nothing prevents another editor from changing them back next week and that will also have to be approved if this one is approved if it does not contradict policy (with both being correct, that process can happen a lot of time). If I am misreading what you are saying, can you clarify? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:41, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::I do notice upon further review that the section of help cited goes on to say this: '''''Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error.''' Any series with this sort of ambiguity in internal ordering should have the sequence worked out on the Community Portal. This includes prequels, which can be listed first in the series, before the main entries; or listed after the main entries; ...'' So I suppose what ordering to use for this series should be brought up for debate on the Community Portal. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:51, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The first line of the applicable help clearly states a precedence for reading order. Look at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25203 Assiti Shards (1632)] series. Compare the current publication based order to the suggested reading order (1632.org link in series record). Remove the implied precedence from the help and I'm fine. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:13, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Reading order is not the same as chronological order though - I'd argue that for most series, including this one, publishing order is the reading order (mainly because of spoilers and what's not that tend to creep into later novels publishing-wise which are set earlier on a chronology). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:39, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) First, let me copy the relevant part of [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] here so that we would all be on the same page:<br />
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* '''Series Number''' - If you know the order in which the titles in the series are supposed to be read, you can number them starting with 1. You can use decimal numbers like 4.5 to place a title between the titles numbered 4 and 5. No Roman numerals (like I or IV) or letters (like "1a" or "A") are allowed. Please note that some series are very linear (e.g. Harry Potter) and it's easy to tell how to assign series number to individual entries. Other series can have multiple possible numbering schemes reflecting the series' publication order, internal chronological order, intended publication order, "author recommended" order, etc. Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error. Any series with this sort of ambiguity in internal ordering should have the sequence worked out on the Community Portal. This includes prequels, which can be listed first in the series, before the main entries; or listed after the main entries; or even split into a separate series which then becomes a subseries in a superseries comprising both the original series and the prequels.<br />
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When Scifibones wrote that "the first line of the applicable help clearly states a precedence for reading order" he presumably meant:<br />
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* If you know the order in which the titles in the series are supposed to be read, you can number them starting with 1.<br />
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That being said, as others have said, "reading order" can be ambiguous. One of the better known examples is {{A|Neal Asher}}'s Polity universe. The author's [https://www.nealasher.co.uk/where-do-i-start-updated/ Web page says]:<br />
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* The consensus of opinion I have gleaned from social media, is that you should start either right at the beginning with Prador Moon and then follow through chronologically, or you should read the first two series I wrote.<br />
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In this case even the author wasn't sure what the best reading order would be and had to consult his fans to come up with possible paths. This ambiguity is already addressed in the Help language above where it says that:<br />
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* series can have multiple possible numbering schemes reflecting the series' publication order, internal chronological order, intended publication order, "author recommended" order, etc. Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error.<br />
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So the first sentence of [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] privileges "reading order" compared to other possible numbering schemes, but the section quoted immediately above effectively takes it back. We should probably clarify Help, which will require a Rules and Standards discussion.<br />
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Also, this Help template doesn't inform editors that prequels can be entered either using "0.1", "0.5", etc or as separate sub-series.<br />
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For now, I would suggest a Community Portal discussion as per the Help section that Marty quoted. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:00, 13 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
MartyD
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Filbi&diff=681945
User talk:Filbi
2024-03-17T12:07:13Z
<p>MartyD: /* Trail of the Seahawks coverart attribution */ changed</p>
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== ''Trail of the Seahawks'' coverart attribution ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome. Thank you for catching the mistaken attribution on the coverart for {{P|52143|Trail of the Seahawks}}. When there is a mistake like that, we don't make the credit be both the mistakenly identified artist and the correct artist. Depending on the nature of the error, we do one of two things.<br />
<br />
(1) If the attribution is explicit (e.g., the copyright page or back cover were to say "Cover art by Jeff Easley"), yet we know it to be incorrect from Elmore's signature on the artwork or Elmore's posting the original painting on his website, then we record the artist as what is explicitly credited + " (in error)". Here, if that were the case we would use "Jeff Easley (in error)". Then we would make that an alternate name for the actual artist and make the incorrectly attributed coverart record be a variant of a correctly attributed one. The publication would end up displaying:<br />
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:'''Cover:''' <u><font color="blue">Trail of the Seahawks</font></u> by <u><font color="blue">Larry Elmore</font></u> [as by <u><font color="blue">Jeff Easley (in error)</font></u>]<br />
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and we would add to the publication notes a bullet explaining the stated credit and why the correct credit is known to be someone else.<br />
<br />
(2) If the attribution is not from an explicit statement in/on the book, then if we have solid evidence of the correct attribution, we change it in place. For any credit that is not from the the book's explicit statement, we would record the source of the credit in the notes (so, here, something like "Artist not credited, but his signature is visible in the lower right corner of the front cover"). If the incorrect attribution came from one of the official "secondary verification" sources (in this example: Locus1, WorldCat/OCLC, or Reginald3), we would also mention that discrepancy in the notes (e.g., "Artist not credited. Locus1 credits Jeff Easley, but the cover is signed by Larry Elmore in the lower right corner").<br />
<br />
I checked Locus1, WorldCat/OCLC, and Reginald3, and none mentions the cover artist. So I can't tell where the Jeff Easley credit came from. My best guess is braino/typo or misinterpretation of that signature.<br />
<br />
Anyway, the bottom line is we can just fix the credit and state the credit came from the signature on the cover. What I am going to do is decline your submission and make that change (save you another edit). Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:24, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Heh. I accepted instead of declining. Fixed it. The result is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52143 here]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:29, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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Thank you for your help. There actually is an explicit incorrect attribution to Jeff Easley, which I have documented [https://bsky.app/profile/filbi.bsky.social/post/3knu3updpa32y here]. Easley provided the cover for another book from TSR/Windwalker that same year, ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4505 Bimbos of the Death Sun]'', so I assume it was a templating mistake by the publisher.--[[User:Filbi|Filbi]] ([[User talk:Filbi|talk]]) 20:43, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:Ah, so you have the book and the title page says what's shown in that picture? Then it would be scenario #1, so we need it to be the other way. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:53, 17 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::Ok. fixed up to reflect that. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52143 here]. If you have the book, I encourage you to do a "Primary Verification" -- visit that page and choose "Verify this Pub" from the Editing Tools section. "Permanent" means you anticipate continuing to have the book and also means people may come to you with questions about the record details. "Transient" means you only have the book temporarily and implies you will not be able to answer future questions about it. It helps us to know that a human being with book in hand is behind the details in the record. Aside: You can upload files, such as that title page photograph, to this Wiki via the "Upload file" function at the left. Once it is uploaded you will get a permanent link you can use in posts here or even in publication notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:07, 17 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Filbi&diff=681944
User talk:Filbi
2024-03-17T11:53:47Z
<p>MartyD: /* Trail of the Seahawks coverart attribution */ ah, then "in error" it is</p>
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== ''Trail of the Seahawks'' coverart attribution ==<br />
<br />
Hi, and welcome. Thank you for catching the mistaken attribution on the coverart for {{P|52143|Trail of the Seahawks}}. When there is a mistake like that, we don't make the credit be both the mistakenly identified artist and the correct artist. Depending on the nature of the error, we do one of two things.<br />
<br />
(1) If the attribution is explicit (e.g., the copyright page or back cover were to say "Cover art by Jeff Easley"), yet we know it to be incorrect from Elmore's signature on the artwork or Elmore's posting the original painting on his website, then we record the artist as what is explicitly credited + " (in error)". Here, if that were the case we would use "Jeff Easley (in error)". Then we would make that an alternate name for the actual artist and make the incorrectly attributed coverart record be a variant of a correctly attributed one. The publication would end up displaying:<br />
<br />
:'''Cover:''' <u><font color="blue">Trail of the Seahawks</font></u> by <u><font color="blue">Larry Elmore</font></u> [as by <u><font color="blue">Jeff Easley (in error)</font></u>]<br />
<br />
and we would add to the publication notes a bullet explaining the stated credit and why the correct credit is known to be someone else.<br />
<br />
(2) If the attribution is not from an explicit statement in/on the book, then if we have solid evidence of the correct attribution, we change it in place. For any credit that is not from the the book's explicit statement, we would record the source of the credit in the notes (so, here, something like "Artist not credited, but his signature is visible in the lower right corner of the front cover"). If the incorrect attribution came from one of the official "secondary verification" sources (in this example: Locus1, WorldCat/OCLC, or Reginald3), we would also mention that discrepancy in the notes (e.g., "Artist not credited. Locus1 credits Jeff Easley, but the cover is signed by Larry Elmore in the lower right corner").<br />
<br />
I checked Locus1, WorldCat/OCLC, and Reginald3, and none mentions the cover artist. So I can't tell where the Jeff Easley credit came from. My best guess is braino/typo or misinterpretation of that signature.<br />
<br />
Anyway, the bottom line is we can just fix the credit and state the credit came from the signature on the cover. What I am going to do is decline your submission and make that change (save you another edit). Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:24, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Heh. I accepted instead of declining. Fixed it. The result is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52143 here]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:29, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
Thank you for your help. There actually is an explicit incorrect attribution to Jeff Easley, which I have documented [https://bsky.app/profile/filbi.bsky.social/post/3knu3updpa32y here]. Easley provided the cover for another book from TSR/Windwalker that same year, ''[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4505 Bimbos of the Death Sun]'', so I assume it was a templating mistake by the publisher.--[[User:Filbi|Filbi]] ([[User talk:Filbi|talk]]) 20:43, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:Ah, so you have the book and the title page says what's shown in that picture? Then it would be scenario #1, so we need it to be the other way. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:53, 17 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
MartyD
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Filbi&diff=681902
User talk:Filbi
2024-03-16T16:29:40Z
<p>MartyD: /* Trail of the Seahawks coverart attribution */ done</p>
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== ''Trail of the Seahawks'' coverart attribution ==<br />
<br />
Hi, and welcome. Thank you for catching the mistaken attribution on the coverart for {{P|52143|Trail of the Seahawks}}. When there is a mistake like that, we don't make the credit be both the mistakenly identified artist and the correct artist. Depending on the nature of the error, we do one of two things.<br />
<br />
(1) If the attribution is explicit (e.g., the copyright page or back cover were to say "Cover art by Jeff Easley"), yet we know it to be incorrect from Elmore's signature on the artwork or Elmore's posting the original painting on his website, then we record the artist as what is explicitly credited + " (in error)". Here, if that were the case we would use "Jeff Easley (in error)". Then we would make that an alternate name for the actual artist and make the incorrectly attributed coverart record be a variant of a correctly attributed one. The publication would end up displaying:<br />
<br />
:'''Cover:''' <u><font color="blue">Trail of the Seahawks</font></u> by <u><font color="blue">Larry Elmore</font></u> [as by <u><font color="blue">Jeff Easley (in error)</font></u>]<br />
<br />
and we would add to the publication notes a bullet explaining the stated credit and why the correct credit is known to be someone else.<br />
<br />
(2) If the attribution is not from an explicit statement in/on the book, then if we have solid evidence of the correct attribution, we change it in place. For any credit that is not from the the book's explicit statement, we would record the source of the credit in the notes (so, here, something like "Artist not credited, but his signature is visible in the lower right corner of the front cover"). If the incorrect attribution came from one of the official "secondary verification" sources (in this example: Locus1, WorldCat/OCLC, or Reginald3), we would also mention that discrepancy in the notes (e.g., "Artist not credited. Locus1 credits Jeff Easley, but the cover is signed by Larry Elmore in the lower right corner").<br />
<br />
I checked Locus1, WorldCat/OCLC, and Reginald3, and none mentions the cover artist. So I can't tell where the Jeff Easley credit came from. My best guess is braino/typo or misinterpretation of that signature.<br />
<br />
Anyway, the bottom line is we can just fix the credit and state the credit came from the signature on the cover. What I am going to do is decline your submission and make that change (save you another edit). Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:24, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Heh. I accepted instead of declining. Fixed it. The result is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52143 here]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:29, 16 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Filbi&diff=681901
User talk:Filbi
2024-03-16T16:24:43Z
<p>MartyD: /* Trail of the Seahawks coverart attribution */ new section</p>
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== ''Trail of the Seahawks'' coverart attribution ==<br />
<br />
Hi, and welcome. Thank you for catching the mistaken attribution on the coverart for {{P|52143|Trail of the Seahawks}}. When there is a mistake like that, we don't make the credit be both the mistakenly identified artist and the correct artist. Depending on the nature of the error, we do one of two things.<br />
<br />
(1) If the attribution is explicit (e.g., the copyright page or back cover were to say "Cover art by Jeff Easley"), yet we know it to be incorrect from Elmore's signature on the artwork or Elmore's posting the original painting on his website, then we record the artist as what is explicitly credited + " (in error)". Here, if that were the case we would use "Jeff Easley (in error)". Then we would make that an alternate name for the actual artist and make the incorrectly attributed coverart record be a variant of a correctly attributed one. The publication would end up displaying:<br />
<br />
:'''Cover:''' <u><font color="blue">Trail of the Seahawks</font></u> by <u><font color="blue">Larry Elmore</font></u> [as by <u><font color="blue">Jeff Easley (in error)</font></u>]<br />
<br />
and we would add to the publication notes a bullet explaining the stated credit and why the correct credit is known to be someone else.<br />
<br />
(2) If the attribution is not from an explicit statement in/on the book, then if we have solid evidence of the correct attribution, we change it in place. For any credit that is not from the the book's explicit statement, we would record the source of the credit in the notes (so, here, something like "Artist not credited, but his signature is visible in the lower right corner of the front cover"). If the incorrect attribution came from one of the official "secondary verification" sources (in this example: Locus1, WorldCat/OCLC, or Reginald3), we would also mention that discrepancy in the notes (e.g., "Artist not credited. Locus1 credits Jeff Easley, but the cover is signed by Larry Elmore in the lower right corner").<br />
<br />
I checked Locus1, WorldCat/OCLC, and Reginald3, and none mentions the cover artist. So I can't tell where the Jeff Easley credit came from. My best guess is braino/typo or misinterpretation of that signature.<br />
<br />
Anyway, the bottom line is we can just fix the credit and state the credit came from the signature on the cover. What I am going to do is decline your submission and make that change (save you another edit). Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:24, 16 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Filbi&diff=681897
User talk:Filbi
2024-03-16T15:30:57Z
<p>MartyD: Welcome!</p>
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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~&#126;~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|community portal]], or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Timothy Zahn's Blackcollar ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLCKCLLRDW2006 this pub] as it appears that the ISBN is actually assigned to another title ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?171789 Resonance] by Chris Dolley according to OCLC, Amazon and abebooks.com). Also you've changed it to an omnibus, but have only entered one novel as its contents. Does this pub include another novel (other than ''The Backlash Mission'')? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:11, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Replacing cover scans ==<br />
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Hello, I approved your submission identifying PAJ as the illustrator of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?135351 this pub]. It's customary to inform the primary verifier of this modification as per their demand, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:BLongley here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Panther and Granada handling ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your {{P|397375|Dying Earth}} submission. In answer to your question about the publisher, when you see something like Panther Books over Granada, Granada is usually the publisher, with Panther being the imprint (often, the "imprint" might have been an independent publisher at some point, bought by the current publisher, with the brand name maintained). We record this using <imprint> + space + / + space + <publisher>. E.g., Panther / Granada. I made that change and put the information from your note to the moderator into the publication notes. Please feel free to adjust what I wrote to reflect reality. :-) A handy trick I've learned for dealing with publishers and imprints is when you're on one of the ISFDB pages, you can choose "Publisher" in the search box at the left, and then look for the names you see (e.g., Panther or Granada). That will give you some ideas about what others have entered. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Some of your submissions ==<br />
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Hi, I have your submission on hold to add '' How Old Holly Came To Be '' to 'The Kingkiller Chronicle' series, while both the [http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2012/10/pre-order-of-unfettered/ author's blog] ("Yes, my story is set in the Four Corners world") and the [http://shawnspeakman.com/unfettered/ anthology's page] speak of another series. Have you other or additional Information?<br />
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Also, I rejected your submission to add Michael J. Sullivan's ''The Jester'' to the series 'The Riyria Universe' and put it instead into the sub-series 'The Riyria Chronicles'. Else it would have been somewhat freefloating within the 'Universe'.<br />
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Similar case for Peter V. Brett's ''Mudboy'': the proper (sub-)series is 'Demon Cycle', again as per the anthology page.<br />
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Apart from these few 'complaints' you helped very much in keeping track of the various author's cycles and series. Thanks for that! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I found your hint about the Kingkiller/Four Corners series and approved of your submission. Thanks for clearing things! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:27, 8 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Terry Brooks' "Paladins of Shannara" chapterbooks ==<br />
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I accepted you submission of {{P|434533|Alannon's Quest}} and moved the source information you provided in the notes to the moderator the the publication notes instead. If data does not come first hand from the publication itself, we record the source(s) in the notes so that anyone looking at the record can tell where it did come from. While I was at it, I made a new Shannara Universe sub-series, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?35848 Paladins of Shannara], and placed the novelette in it.<br />
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The same goes for {{P|434534|The Weapons Master's Choice}} and {{P|434535|The Black Irix}}. The latter had a copy-paste problem, reusing the former's Amazon link; I changed that. I also added links to the cover images on Amazon, while I was at it.<br />
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Please review. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Stirling's Emberverse ==<br />
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I have rejected your submission to put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566245 this story] into the Emberverse series. There are two sub-series, Emberverse I and Emberverse II, and according to the [http://smstirling.com/books/pronouncing-doom/ author's site] it belongs into the first. So I've put it into that one. Thank you again for keeping an open eye. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:15, 9 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Ann Leckie's ''Ancillary Sword'' ==<br />
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Since October 2014 is still 6+ months in the future, I am afraid I will have to reject the submission. There is a very good chance that something will change between now and October -- publication date, cover art, perhaps even the ISBN. Typically, we enter forthcoming ISBNs 6 to 10 weeks before publication when things are more settled. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking split novels ==<br />
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Well, the best way to link would be to link/variant both titles to the original one, just like for the first german publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19616 Perdido Street Station], which was split into ''Die Falter'' and ''Der Weber''. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:00, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover: A Princess of Mars ==<br />
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Cover art credits that are identical (same publication title, same artist credit, same artwork) should be merged not varianted. Varianting is only used if the title or artist credit vary, but the artwork is the same. I have rejected your submission to variant the this cover art and have instead merged it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Series and Variant Titles ==<br />
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When adding a title series, please ensure you add it to the parent record and not a variant. If you add it to the parent, it will automatically be displayed on any variants. I had to reject your edit, but I added "The Expanse" to {{T|1557310|the parent record}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sources in the Note field ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451907 this record]: The URL for the source should be given in the "Note" field, not the "Note to Moderator" field. All data entered into the latter field disappears the moment the submission is accepted, because its purpose is to provide information concerning the '''submission''' itself, and not about the '''publication'''. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:06, 7 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:You continue to enter source information in the "Note to Moderator" field. You should enter the URL in the "Note" field as explained above. I will hold all submissions until you've had a chance to read this message and respond to it. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, sorry about that. I was thinking that because URLs can change just mentioning the name of the source in the "Note" field was enough, with the actual URL additionally given in the "Note to Moderator" field for double-checking. Also, links to Deutsche Nationalbibliothek are generated automatically via the ISBN if I see this right. Can you confirm I should put the link to DNB in the "Note" field? How about Amazon as the other main source I use? Thanks. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 20:02, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::You don't have the give the URL at all if you give the source in the Note field. If you choose to give the URL, you also have the option to link it, but that's not required. You don't have to link Amazon (or any website listed in the "Other Sites" menu of a publication record), because all records with ISBNs are automatically linked to those sites. For non-ISBN publications, it's a good idea (but not required) to link the source in the Note field. Giving the URL in the Note to Moderator field isn't necessary and it disappears upon acceptance. If there is something unusual about the submission which you feel the moderator should know (but don't want to be visible in the publication record), then state it in the Note to Moderator field. Also, if you find it necessary to ask questions, don't use the Note to Moderator field to ask it. Questions should be asked in a message posted at the [[ISFDB:Help_desk]]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:35, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Duplicates ==<br />
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You created records for some publications which are already in the database. ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1526350 This one] for example.) I will delete the duplicates. Please do a search before making a submission to create a new record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:44, 5 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Binding ==<br />
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If you're adding publications from a secondary source, you can get the bindings from their listings on Amazon. It will usually give whether it's a hardcover or paperback. For paperback listings, you have to look further at the dimensions in the publication data of the listing. If it's more than 7 inches or 18 centimeters, a paperback should be entered as "tp". I've updated this on most the records you've entered today, but keep this in mind when adding any future records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:48, 5 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:You can also use Amazon to provide the publication date. I wouldn't suggest using them for anything older than 2000. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Series and Variant Records ==<br />
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Thanks for removing the series data from those variant records, but anytime that a record is a variant of another record in a series, that series data will be displayed in all of the variant titles as well. So adding series data to variants would be redundant and have both titles to be displayed on the series list. (This was mentioned in an earlier post by another moderator.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Euro character ==<br />
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Please use € (entered as ALT-0128) to indicate publications priced in euros. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:45, 19 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing the type of a publication ==<br />
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When you see that a publication has been entered under the wrong type, e.g. NOVEL should be COLLECTION, you have to change the type field of both the publication record and its title record. I've done that for you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?458178 here]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:42, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Pseudonyms and variants ==<br />
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These are two different functions. The creation of pseudonyms only affect author records. The creation of variants only affect title records. So when you do one of these you have to follow up by doing the other. The titles under Bernard Craw and James A. Sullivan will have to be varianted to the parent author. (BTW, you don't have to wait for acceptance of a submission to do one in order to do the other.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:17, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Entering euros in the price field ==<br />
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There should not be a space between the currency symbol and the amount. If the currency is in a non-symbolic or abbreviated alphabetical form, a space is necessary. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:01, 31 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazon.de good source for data on recent publications ==<br />
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If you're looking for publication date or prices (and to link a cover image) for recent German publications, a good source is Amazon.de. (I don't recommend using it for publications more than a decade old.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:53, 2 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Pseudonyms and variants again ==<br />
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As noted above, when you create a pseudonym, you have to also variant all of the titles under that pseudonym to the canonical author. Please proceed to variant the four titles by {{A|Jacob Ben Gunter}} to {{A|Peter David}}. If you're certain that it's a correct pseudonym,(you wouldn't make a submission to do so otherwise), you can do the variant submissions without waiting for moderation of the pseudonym submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:47, 19 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Die Star Wars Saga'' ==<br />
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Please add content records for the novels contained in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507782 this publication]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:42, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Still waiting for the contents to be added to this OMNIBUS publication. This type of publication requires that at least one content record be a NOVEL. I suspect that there are the three original novelizations of the first Star Wars trilogy, but I'd have to research to determine the translated titles of each. You should be able to do it easier than me. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:04, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I've gone ahead and added contents. Please correct any errors if present. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Entering contents of an OMNIBUS ==<br />
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Same problem as above with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507788 this record]. When you enter an OMNIBUS, you must enter content records for each of the NOVELs which it contains. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:09, 27 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Publication dates from secondary sources ==<br />
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I added the publication date to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?510836 this record] sourced from Amazon.de. For books published within the last decade Amazon is a good source for the publication date. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Feist - Magician ==<br />
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Replaced cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401044 this book] with full wraparound version. And I'm that much of a nerdy fan that I know that Terok Nor is the Cardassian name for Deep Space Nine. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:51, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's ''The Left Hand of Darkness'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the author credit and ISBN-13 stated in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547962 this record] is present in the publication itself? The author credit should be from the title page, and the ISBN-13 (all digits) must be given on the copyright page. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Yes on both. I left a moderator note on the pub submission regarding the name, and the ISBN is indeed 13 digits on the copyright page. This is the currently in-print UK edition. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 09:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::But did they really didn't change the reprint history, which seems to end in 1992? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:42, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::They didn't. It looks to me like they only introduced number lines with the 1992 edition, abandoning the old printing history. Compare [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?543130 this record] for example. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 17:17, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Now it all makes sense. I know that a 1992 printing wouldn't have an ISBN-13. Perhaps a note of clarification is needed? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:25, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::One last thing: which of the two Tim White covers for this work is used in this printing? Once you've determined that, please merge your coverart title record with the correct one. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::::I modified the note and have already merged the covers. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 11:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow of Intent ==<br />
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Hello, I've added the corresponding novella to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554186 submission]. A CHAPBOOK must have a content (exactly one SHORTFICTION title). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:41, 4 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Van Richten's Guide to Ghosts'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32790 this title]: Changing the type of a title has no effect on the type of the publication. So it would have been better to update the publication record and you could have edited the types of both. I've updated the publication. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Wax and Wayne" sub-series ==<br />
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I have your "Wax and Wayne" sub-series submissions on hold. It looks ok to me, but since the change affects verified publications, it's the sort of thing one should ask the primary verifiers about first. I've posted a note to the verifiers [[User_talk:Biomassbob#Mistborn_sub-series_.22Wax_and_Wayne.22|here]]. Once they give their OK, I'll accept those submissions. BTW, it looks like it would be nice to figure out a sub-series name for that first trilogy, too. I didn't see anything obvious on Sanderson's site, though. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:44, 18 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan and Perry Rhodan NEO universes ==<br />
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Thanks for the suggestion, but we came to the verdict that they are separate universes, at least as long as no one writes a connecting story. The difference to other universes is that Star Trek or Star Wars subseries are just separated by time gaps, not by a different occurence of events and somewhat different main characters. So, as long as you have no additional information, it seems the universes are mutually exclusive by logic. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:That's not really the case with Star Trek/Star Wars. Star Wars for example has all material published before 2014 now classified as "Legends", with new books overwriting the old stories. Star Trek has had a large novel-only continuity since about 2001, but books are published that are not compatible with it all the time, like a tie-in to the Star Trek Online game, or the "Crucible" trilogy. The difference to PR is that all those tie-in books still adhere to the continuity of the original films and/or TV shows, so it's not quite the same situation. Still my point remains - listed under one main series are stories that are incompatible with each other and tell different versions of the same events. It also feels somehow "wrong" to me to have no connection between different incarnations of the same franchise (for lack of a better word) in the database. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 14:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Still the owner of the Perry Rhodan franchises keeps the two series as independent. As stated above: this may change somewhen in the future. By all logic applied now and here, they are different. There ain't no connection as one universe being a legend in the other, as in Star Wars; there's only a similarity in name. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:36, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Returned ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but choose (as per data that you gave) to take the simplest route, i.e. to treat each book as a standalone novel (you gave a word count of 50.000) a bit along the lines of what was done for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?5787 this split novel]. It will be time later if the whole text appears in one book either to make it an OMNIBUS or to variant the parts to the whole (as is made for translated works) or to go the SERIAL route (I'm not very fond of that, as SERIAL being usually for magazine publication). Result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?582267 here for the first one]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Introductions ==<br />
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When entering essays with generic titles (Introduction, Preface, Forward, etc.), the publication title should be added afterwards in parenthesis. I approved your edit to {{P|519901|Apollo's Daughters}}, but changed the introduction title to "Introduction (Apollo's Daughters)". Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Just to be sure, can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2046646 this text] is a fiction one (its title may indicate an essay). Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:48, 28 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Boten des Lichts'' ==<br />
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Hello. Re your update of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287946 this pub] : I have replaced the cover scan you provided (with a very poor definition) by a better one. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 09:48, 29 August 2016 (UTC).<br />
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== Mann zweier Welten ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?595985 this publication]. I'm surprised that the flags for "Nongenre" and "Graphic format" are set to "yes". Is this deliberate? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:That was not deliberate. I don't know how those got there. I don't see them checked on the submission page when I go back in my browser history. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 10:46, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
::There was a recent change for this fields, likely a side-effet. I'll correct the title data. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Run ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission for this new novel but changed publisher to "Karen Traviss" as per copyright page. As I've understood it, we decided to stop using "CreateSpace" as it's just the printer and make the author the publisher. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:24, 3 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Die dunkle Seite des Mondes ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but was wondering if we should variant the cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?140431 this one] or just add a note? What are your thoughts on the matter? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:42, 28 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Interesting, nice find. First thought: I would have no problem with making it a variant. But: what if the background is from a different cover that might also be in the database? That would complicate things. So maybe a note is enough. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 18:48, 1 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Wars ==<br />
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Hello TerokNor, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507724 here] is the title with "Star Wars" other pubs are without this, can we delete this term "Star Wars"? It belongs not to the title. Please look at the discussion [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Wolfram.winkler#Blanvalet_and_Star_Wars Blanvalet and Star Wars]<br />
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::Sure, the series title probably doesn't need to be part of the publication title - most similar publications do not have it either. So I have no problem with removing it. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 07:53, 13 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks to you both. I've changed the title.Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:39, 13 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== "Ordering" authors ==<br />
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Had a good chuckle over the submission to change the 'ordering' of the authors for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89444 this]]. This is fighting the ghost/gremlins in the machine. As yet I know of no way to re-arrange multiple authors once the edition is in the database, and the software seems quite frivolous/perspicacious/downright weird as what you enter even from scratch isn't necessarily what you get after it's been accepted. I tried the same edit you did but at the title level, no change. I haven't tried entering a completely NEW omnibus and see what happens, but I seem to recall trying that before and having the same 'null' result. Maybe Ahasuerus can explain it or maybe there's a workaround I'm unaware of, but at the moment the attempt is just tilting at windmills. I think everybody's tried it at least once. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:21, 2 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
:I think the ordering change was just something I did on the side, I primarily wanted to correct the author from "Sarah Shaw" to "Sarah Shaw (pseudonym)". But that's good to know in any case, thanks. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 11:04, 3 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Das Netz der Romulaner ==<br />
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I found an image URL for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506102 this pub]. Can You confirm it right? It seems to be signed by artist? And I found other prices at Deutsche Nationalbibliothek. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 07:18, 28 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
:I don't have it anymore, so I can't confirm unfortunately. So I can't say whether the cover matches the printing I had exactly. It does look right for the era though, and I also found this [http://www.ebay.de/itm/391802587432 eBay listing] for the same printing. The artist is of course the same as on English editions, since the artwork matches. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 05:15, 29 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== "Probe", as credited to Margaret Wander Bonanno ==<br />
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I've proposed a change to the author of this book, a copy of which you have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832272 verified], and request that you review my justification on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#.22Probe.22.2C_as_credited_to_Margaret_Wander_Bonanno Community Portal]. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:28, 11 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing the Non-Genre flag ==<br />
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Hello, when you set the Non-Genre flag of a title to "Yes", please rememeber that this change must also be effectuated for ALL the variant titles. As they do not inherit this property from their parent (as is the case for the title series data), the flag must be set manually for each one lest they appear on our cleanup reports. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 05:54, 28 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Professor Zamorra, #173: Zombie-Fieber ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission that intended to change the Title Series on hold. What are you trying to achive? A grouping by year? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:14, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
:Yes, exactly. All others issues of the magazine are grouped that way. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 03:18, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
::I supposed so. To do this, you just have to change the title at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2337197 title level] from "Professor Zamorra, #173: Zombie-Fieber" to "Professor Zamorra - 1981" (the way you've chosen would have created a new magazine called <i>Professor Zamorra - 1981</i>). Do you want to try? (note that this operation is cleraer when that are multiple issues under one title). Note that we also set the date to "1981" in such cases. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:24, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks, I tried that. Can I add another 1981 issue to the new grouping in a single step? Or must the EDITOR title be changed manually after the new MAGAZINE is created? And how about when I want to add a 1982 issue? Any way to create the proper 1982 EDITOR title in one step? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 03:43, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
::::For the other 1981 issue, you'll have to create the issue then merge the obtained issue's title with the yearly one. For 1982 it's a two step procedure (create publication then change title). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:25, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== ''Terranauten'' ==<br />
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Hi, thanks for adding this series. But [https://www.terranauten.de/romane.html here] is a list of the magazines that also has the days of publication. Would it be possible to use those (it would safe us some additional work of updating)? But thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:04, 16 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, I'm aware of that site. I have however no idea how reliable the information is. I found [http://www.armin-moehle.de/Artikel/DieWeltderTerranauten.htm another site] that says the series started in November, not October, and that it went on until 1982. I have no way to tell what's right, so for now I wanted to just add the stories themselves. Hopefully, more research can be done to narrow down the exact dates, like how it is being done with Terra/PR through the ads etc. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 13:13, 16 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::You're right! The first site doesn't take the two-weekly schedule in the beginning into account. Thanks for the note. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:11, 17 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== A request ==<br />
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You have verified three Edgar Rice Burroughs books [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444767 A Princess of Mars], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?448412 The Gods of Mars] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?458122 The Warlord of Mars] that are a complete surprise to someone who is cataloging all of the Ballantine and Del Rey editions of ERB. Would you be able to send an image (scan or photo) of the copyright pages for these books to either myself (4holmes@mts.net) or to the author directly (JIMMIE GOODWIN <jimmiecg@prodigy.net>). It would be much appreciated. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:28, 27 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== J. Gregory Keyes ==<br />
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Hello, I accepted your edit. When you have a proposal such as this one (the change of the cannonical name), instead of burying it in a moderator note, post on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal Community Portal] so people can chime in. I do agree that this one needs reversal so [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#J._Gregory_Keyes_canonical_name_change I posted the proposal] and if there are no vigorous objections, I will get it reversed (it's not a 1 click change to say it mildly) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:22, 31 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Sturm über Tatooine ==<br />
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I just approved adding the stories in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507723 verified]. Feel free to look it over and submit any changes needed. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:55, 3 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing data in verified pubs ==<br />
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Hi. I have put your various Orbit -> Orbit (US) submissions, and the one submission adding contents to ''Honor Among Thieves'' on hold. I don't have any issue with the accuracy of the changes, but when changing data in a primary-verified publication, you should notify the verifier first -- leave a message on the verifier's talk page -- and only make the changes if they agree (or do not respond in a reasonable amount of time). It is often just a formality, but the process does uncover different editions and opportunities for further changes. I will drop some notes, so just keep this in mind for the future. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:29, 30 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry about the delay. I've accepted all of these now, having done the best I could with the verifiers. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:24, 9 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Covers variants and merges ==<br />
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As a rule, we do not do blind variants and merges for coverart -- varianting/merging coverart records here one of the involved records does not have an image (no URL in the publication). I approved the two Star Wars ones as I was able to find the appropriate printing online but in the future, before requesting a merge/variant, either add the cover first or edit the notes of the publication to point to the correct cover or add a moderator note with links and an explanation. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:57, 3 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Since I verified one of the publications without image, I didn't think it would be a problem. I should have made a note with the other one though. I'll keep it in mind. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 03:37, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Correct "Forgotten Realms" title series for the stories in The Halls of Stormweather ==<br />
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Hi, I've put several of your submissions on hold which want to set the title series to "Forgotten Realms Universe" for the titles contained in the {{P|41224|The Halls of Stormweather}} anthology. Shouldn't the series be the sub-series [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11367 Sembia] instead? See also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Forgotten_Realms_novels#Sembia:_Gateway_To_The_Realms Wikipedia]. Or do you have a data source with other information? Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 05:44, 2 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, making it part of the Sembia series seems to make sense. Please go ahead and change it to that. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 05:55, 2 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Ok, thanks. I made the changes. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 10:01, 2 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Tod eines Androiden / Murder at the Galactic Writers' Society ==<br />
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Hi, Just to assure you you did the right thing.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:37, 3 March 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Star Trek: Blutdurst ==<br />
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Hi, i've uploaded a cover scan to your pv'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506088 pub] of Star Trek "Blutdurst" and added notes for edition, translator and cover artist. Werner [[User:Welo|Welo]] 04:09, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Secondary Sourcing ==<br />
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When you are using a secondary source (i.e. data not from the pub itself) as you are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5030078 here], please add the source to the publication notes and not the moderator notes. That way all editors will be able to see. I have updated the pub notes for this one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:32, 11 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Rift ==<br />
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Do you have a word count and/or a source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5280871 this] being a novel and not a novella? We need to merge the two of them but trying to find out if the text is long enough to be a novel. Thanks! <br />
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PS: 1 novel won't make the work an omnibus - you need at least 2 for that. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:15, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:93000 words according to https://www.kobo.com/en/en/ebook/black-rift, and 300 pages in paperback, so definitely a novel. I was thinking omnibus because it has the novel and the contents of the first three anthologies in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42523 series]. But that's not that important, of course. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 06:00, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Apparently I mispelled something - did not see it in Kobo yesterday. Approved and merged. <br />
:: If you want to make it an omnibus, you can - but that means we need to import the anthology titles themselves. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:14, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Erzählungen vom Dunkelelf ==<br />
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Hi, I'm approving your changes but would like to point out... the German edition has a preface to the stories as does the English original, you may want to add them.<br />
And if you find the time, please add the transliteration for the titles with the imfamous special characters. <br />
Thanks! John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 11:38, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I was only going by the sources I quoted, so I wasn't aware of the prefaces. I'm not in a hurry to add them - the stories are the important part, of course.<br />
:About the transliterations: I see you apparently already added them, but are they supposed to be used like that? The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditTitle#Transliterated_Title hint] says they are for non-Latin alphabets only. Umlauts may be strange to non-German speakers, but it's still a Latin alphabet :-) [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 17:50, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking Awards ==<br />
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When there is an untitled award [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?72291 like this], you do not need to create a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5346387 new award]. Select 'Link Award' from the 'Edit Tools' menu and enter the title record number (3049852 for this one). This avoids having to delete the old untitled records. Sometimes there is important information in the notes field that would then be lost. I changed one, but if there are more in the queue, please correct them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:50, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I didn't realise you could click on the number to get to the award details. Thank you! I'll keep this in mind. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 18:13, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek VI ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506118; I added Open Library cover. EDIT: I just noticed something now that my edit's been approved. I must have been sleepy when I made it because there's an earlier Heyne printing with the same cover, but looking more closely there's something in the upper right that has a 4 on it. I'm not familiar with German Heyne editions, so is that how they differ printings, by adding a number on the cover, or is that a totally coincidental sticker or something that has nothing to do with the printing? If the latter is the case I should probably delete the cover I added because there's no proof it's actually the 4th printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:58, 17 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Very interesting. Looking at that cover, it looks like a “42" to me. And I am 99% certain that my copy did not have that number, but I don't have it anymore. A quick eBay search turned up a copy that was a later printing than mine (due to increased cover price) and it didn't have that number either. Looking at a list of Star Trek books at [https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/de/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series_(Romane) German Memory Alpha], it seems that Heyne numbered their releases and the 42 matches Star Trek VI. It looks to me Heyne added the series numbering to the book covers at some point, but not until the 6th printing of ST VI at the earliest. So, yes the image should probably removed from this particular printing. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 05:56, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A note on title series ==<br />
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Hello. I've approved your submissions to add the contents of each anthology in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20393 War Years] series in their own, individual subseries. While not wrong per-se, it serves no purpose as it is clear that all stories belong together - they are already bundled together in these ANTHOLOGIES after all - so should be avoided. Can you clarify why you wished to create these subseries? (PS. you'd still need to make the new series subseries of the 'The War Years' main series) Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:27, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:It is clear the stories belong together when looking at the anthology contents, but it's not clear that they are part of a series when browsing an author's page. That was my motivation - seeing that a story by an author is part of a series, not a standalone. For the PS - I'm not certain the new series need to be subseries of 'The War Years' since it seems the three series are unrelated in setting, i.e. the anthology series is one of theme, not of setting. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 08:51, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I can see where you're coming from. While still not a fan of this approach, I can live with it ;) On the subseries thinghy - why would the ANTHOLOGIES be allowed be tied together on theme, but not the individual stories? I'm by no means an expert, but either I'd allow it, or I'd remove the 'War Years' title series altogether too. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:11, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) ==<br />
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Hi, by chance I stumbled across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2231009 Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) by James S. A. Correy] just now. As far as I can tell, it's been in the database for several years, but you - probably coincidentally? - made [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5585471 an edit to add the series] just over a month ago. Do you know any more about this story? I'm a bit dubious that the publisher got both the author name (Correy/Corey) and title (Awakes/Wakes) wrong, and suspect the person who added them - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3517921 here, I think?] - made transcription errors.<br />
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I suspect you probably don't know any more than me about this, but given that the publication that contains this story is PVed (by an inactive editor), I thought I'd just check with you just in case you know more about it. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:19, 31 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct, I don't know any more than you do. I also assume it's a transcription error. I added the story to the series so it becomes more visible, so that maybe some who has access to that publication can make another attempt at verification. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 09:19, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks - I'll post a talk item on the community page to see whether people think the best action is to fix the errors, or variant the records to the correct ones. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:00, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pratchett's Eric ==<br />
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There have been [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Pratchett.27s_Eric_-_converting_into_novella.3F no objections on the Community Portal]. Please go ahead and make the changes. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:37, 24 January 2024 (EST) <br />
: I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5879378 your submission] changing the canonical title. I went ahead and changed all the variants. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832 Eric]. Now change the appropriate pubs to CHAPBOOK. Don't forget the translations. Let me know when you submit them and I'll approve them right away. Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: If I knew you were going to add [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?996388 this one], I would not have changed the date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1895758 here]. I'll watch for the import submission. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:41, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== To the Stars ==<br />
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A few quick notes about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993774 this one]:<br />
* We don't use the series name as part of a title when the book has its own title. <br />
* I did a few capitalization fixes (watch out for them when adding stories) :) <br />
* Adding order (with the |numbers allows anthologies and collections contents not to jump around and to look as they are supposed to.<br />
Thanks for adding it! Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:29, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ''King Conan and the Stygian Queen'' ==<br />
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Hi. A question and some comments about your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5879401 proposed changes] to {{P|704996|King Conan and the Stygian Queen}}. I understand about the Jess Eden Thornton -> Jess Thornton change. That certainly looks correct. My question:<br />
:Why did you add the stories as credited only to Jess Thornton instead of as credited to both him and Robert E. Howard?<br />
My comments -- just for future reference --<br />
:(1) To change the long name in the main credit, you would just edit the name. That has to be done in two places, on the publication and on the linked title record. You can always edit the publication's credit in place. The title's credit is a little trickier. If the title's credit is incorrect everywhere it is used, then you can edit that in place as well; doing so will change it for all publications. If the title's credit is sometimes correct and sometimes incorrect, the title must not be changed in place (we don't want the change to apply everywhere). Instead, you first need to "unmerge" the publication's title from the title it shares with other publications, giving the publication its own copy that no other publication is using, then update that new title in place. If you had multiple publications needing the new title, you would have to repeat for each and then merge all the new duplicates. (There are some ways to do that more efficiently -- you might ask for help from a moderator if the need ever arises).<br />
:(2) The COLLECTION-vs.-ANTHOLOGY distinction is not based on the number of authors involved. Rather, it is based on whether all of the contained works have the same author credit. So if all of the stories are credited to both Howard and Thornton, we would use COLLECTION, but if some stories were credited to Howard and other stories to Thornton, we would use ANTHOLOGY.<br />
:(3) If you change a publication's type, do not forget that the paired title record's type needs to be changed, too, or you need to add a new content record of the same type.<br />
No need to redo or change anything. Once I understand what the story credits should be, I will take care of any additional fix-ups to keep everything consistent. Thanks --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:22, 10 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Well, from looking at the contents of the book, it is pretty clear to me that the author took a Howard story ("Beyond the Black River", which might be public domain by now) and wrote his own stories around it. Howard has nothing to do with those new stories, having died 90 years ago. Putting him as co-author on those would be all kinds of wrong IMO. I added the Thornton stories because those are new whereas the Howard story already exists; I was going to import it later as I don't think that can be done in the same step. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 13:36, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Got it. All set. I did that import, too. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?704996 here]. Also, I forgot for #3 above that if there are not multiple publication, the type change is propagated to the title record automatically. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:28, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Juvenile flag ==<br />
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Hi, concerning your question "I changed this before and it was approved, but it's gone now. I don't know what happened." - looking at the edit history, you can clearly see that Stonecreek has updated and set it to No after your edit. Example here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?3213161<br />
<br>Have a chat with him and ask why he's reverting your changes. Cheers. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:14, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: I reverted it because they are no juvenile titles (despite the erroneous tags): they are written mainly for a young-adult audience (though I have read them all and they usually address issues that are interesting (even important, I think) for everyone (at least for me).<br />
:: In every case, these changes shoulf have been debated with the primary verifiers (especially since you didn't verify them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:53, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::Sorry about that. But going by the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Juvenile definition in the Wiki] the juvenile flag is for both juvenile and young adult books. And since "young adult" especially is simply a marketing category, the flag has no say about whether or not a title has something to say or is enjoyable by adults. Eschbach calls them "Jugendromane" on his website and from looking at some definitions, that term is more or less the same as the US "young adult" definition. So I don't see how those flags don't apply to these books in simply objective terms. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 13:53, 15 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== SV removal ==<br />
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In the USD edition of {{P|290822|Dilvish, the Damned}} Reginald3 is correctly SV'd and numbered. In the {{P|10142|Canadian printing}} it has also been SV'd - wrongly. Could someone remove that and mark it N/A. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:42, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== adding a publication ==<br />
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Can a publication listing be added before the item is offered for sale? (i.e., I have obtained an ARC with all relevant info, but the book is not scheduled for publication for a couple more weeks) {{unsigned|Fabius}}<br />
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: The short answer is "yes". To quote [[Help:Screen:NewPub]]:<br />
:* '''Future Publication Dates''' - ISFDB captures records for some publications that have been announced for release in the future.<br />
:** New publications announced for the near future (within the next 90 days) should be given that future publication date.<br />
:** Do not create records for newly announced publications scheduled for release more than 90 days into the future, as these plans often change.<br />
: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: One small note to add - if you are working from an ARC, mention it in the notes (when we work from pre-release records, we note the date for example making it obvious that we are adding pre-publication). Things change between ARCs and the actual book occasionally so that will minimize the risk of us ending with two separate records downstream. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Second set of eyes please. ==<br />
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I've submitted a publication [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5709664 deletion]] that I'd rather not self-approve as it involves someone else's entry and PV. Thank you in advance. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:23, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: After reviewing the data I agree that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?483390 record 483390] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556122 record 556122] apparently describe the same pub. I see that one of them has been verified by you and the other one by [[User:Don Erikson]], who has been inactive for the last 3+ years.<br />
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: One way to handle this situation would be for you to delete "your" pub record, then to primary-verify Don's pub, thus keeping both primary verifications. Would that work for you? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:58, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: An obvious approach. I reloaded the cover image as well. Will deleting a publication automatically get rid of the associated image? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:46, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The only effect deleting the publication has on the wiki page is breaking the link back to the publication. I went ahead and deleted it, mod only function, since you reloaded the image and created a new wiki page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:23, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mouser Goes Below ==<br />
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Hello. After a long while, I have released this edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5374496] for other moderators to have a look. While Willem agrees it's a Novel rather than a Novella, I am not entirely comfortable with affecting the change. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Examining the text in my ebook collection, I see that the submitter is correct: it contains over 64.5K words. I would make it a NOVEL and leave a canned message on the primary verifiers' Talk pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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PS. Real-life hasn't been nice to me the last couple of months, hence my absence from the site. Not sure when/if I will be back... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry to hear about the real life issues! Hopefully things will improve sooner rather than later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I've approved the change to NOVEL and fixed all the translations to be NOVEL types as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:37, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hollowing ==<br />
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Hello Mods. I have a question regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289319 this] publication. I made a note that the book has an appendix, which is an in-universe folk tale of Ryhope Wood by Goerg Huxley - i.e. it's fictional. The tale has a title and a note before it making it appear as if it is an out of universe (i.e. a 'real world') tale. Should I add this as content ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 02:07, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think your treatment is fine, unless we discover the same story ended up published elsewhere. You might adjust the note to call out that it's a fictional appendix, and its credited author, "George Huxley" is an in-universe character. If you did want to make a content entry for it, I think you'd need to title it something like: "<whatever> by George Huxley" and make the author credit be Robert Holdstock. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'll leave it as is and amend the note per your suggestion. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:16, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who to credit ? ==<br />
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Hello Mods. The can of worms of cover design vs cover photo opens again with the two Gollancz editions of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102350 Trillion Year Spree]. I made a note for my trade paperback copy that it states "Jacket design by Don Macpherson (over) Jacket photograph by Peter Letts" on backcover. The hardback credits Macpherson wheres the trade paperback credits Letts. So which one of those two get's the cover art credit ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Macpherson does not get a credit under any circumstances - designers never do. If the hardback only credits "cover: Macpherson", then I'd been inclined to add a "Macpherson (in error)" credit and pseudonym to Letts thus allowing a variant cover and credits as per the books. As long as Letts photographs are on the cover and not the author photo of course. Alternatively, no credit for anyone and just notes (photographs are a bit of a gray area sometimes as Cover Artists but if you decide to credit -- it should be Letts). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:46, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks Annie. Maybe you could tell Makwood that as I tried to ask him what his hardback copy said (ghaving quoted him what mine said). See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Trillion_Year_Spree here] where he states "So, you're saying the jacket front is a photograph, and not a graphic design? Doesn't appear that way to me". Gonna change the credit. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:46, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brainchild ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5716829; I added 2 ID and a note about page count but it insists that I did something with the title which I didn't. Why is that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the raw database data, I see that the main ANTHOLOGY title has a page number, "|1", associated with it. It wasn't displayed when you edited the publication record because the "Page" field is grayed out and not editable for ANTHOLOGY (and other "container") titles. My first guess was that at one point this publication was a NOVEL or another non-container and the non-container title had "|1" assigned to it. Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?297598 Edit History], I see that this pub did have its title type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3992773 changed to ANTHOLOGY on 2018-10-14], which suggests that my guess was correct.<br />
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: Once your submission is approved, the "|1" page number will disappear. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:54, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change required for variant name: Ren Qing -> Channing Ren ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366142 任青] is listed on the Hugo finalist list with the western name "Ren Qing". When I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959764 the tp pub that has their story], I noted that various sources reported them as Channing Ren.<br />
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I've now bought [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960977 the ebook pub], and - Sod's Law - it turns out that Channing Ren is how they are listed in the actual antho, see [https://twitter.com/ErsatzCulture/status/1679946416830001154/photo/1 here].<br />
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Could someone update [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366143 the Ren Qing author record] accordingly please? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:37, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Also, as an FYI, changing the author name in the English Title record from "Ren Qing" to "Channing Ren" would have deleted the "Ren Qing" author record and created a new author record for "Channing Ren". The new author record would then need to be turned into an alternate name of "任青", but it could be done by a self-approver. Not a big deal, just something to keep in mind in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:31, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks; I did wonder if something like that was doable, but I thought better to just punt it here.<br />
:: There's another one coming down the line, which I've put off, because I spent a day trying to get my head round it, and trying to write it up to confirm (a) a consensus for that course of action, and (b) how exactly to tackle it, isn't something I'm relishing. I don't think many westerners have realized there are 2 different Hugo finalists called [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?344566 杨枫] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366182 杨枫(I)], and IMHO we probably have the disambiguations the wrong way round, as the former should probably be an alternate name for 天爵, who isn't in the database yet. Something to look forward too... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:32, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolfe - Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus - novel and novella dating ==<br />
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Whilst editing two of my own English language pubs of this title I noticed some dating which someone, hopefully, can clarify for me.<br />
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There are two novella titles by different translators {{T|1582693|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} and {{T|1699730|1982-05-00 by Eva Malsch}}.<br />
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The novel {{T|1347139|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} dating looks ok as does the Eva Malsch translation but I don't see a 1974-11-00 Yoma Cap novella publication - only the {{P|414367|1984-04-00}} one as the first instance.<br />
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The note in the {{T|1957|1972-04-00}} novel title page refers to the German translations but doesn't help me.<br />
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So, do we treat the novel and the novella as having the same first instance date? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sequence of events as I understand it is as follows:<br />
:* The novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41405 "The Fifth Head of Cerberus"] was published in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25103 ''Orbit 10''] on 1972-02-16.<br />
:* The novella version became Part 1 of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1957 novel version which used the same title], ''The Fifth Head of Cerberus'', and was first published on 1972-04-00.<br />
:* Both the novella version and the novel version were subsequently reprinted by various US/UK publishers.<br />
:* The second part of the novel version was later reprinted as a separate novelette [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''] in a 1994-07-00 anthology. We have it dated "1994-07-00".<br />
:* Yoma Cap's first German translation of the novel version was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347139 ''Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus''] in 1974-11-00.<br />
:* The first part of Yoma Cap's German translation (which corresponds to the novella version of "The Fifth Head of Cerberus") was [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 reprinted in 1984 and then again in 2002]. The title date of this title is currently set to "1974-11-00" and matches the date of the first publication of the German ''novel''.<br />
:* The third (and final) part of the ''English'' novel hasn't been reprinted as a separate novella. However, the third part of Yoma Cap's ''German'' translation was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T.", a separate novella] on 1983-04-00. The title date of this title is currently set to "1983-04-00".<br />
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: The problem then is that we have an inconsistency. The separate English appearance of the second part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''], is currently dated "1994-07-00" and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. Similarly, the separate German appearance of the third part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T."], is dated 1983-04-00 and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. However, the separate German appearance of the novella version (which is the same as the first part of the novel), is dated "1974-11-00", when the novel translation appeared, as opposed to "1984-04-00", which is when the separate German version appeared.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would suggest changing the title date of the novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 "Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus"] from 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:17, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for taking such a careful look at this and your elegant answer. It resolves my uncertainty about novella/novel treatment and confirms where I thought the problem lay - your 6th bullet point homes in on that. I've submitted the change 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00 as you've suggested :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The submission has been approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:44, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mod Bob ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Moderator-availability; Bob should be removed from the list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:58, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:04, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Spencer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131734; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elizabeth-Spencer/e/B01MFH59N3; Last 2 stories are by a young lady with the same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like Stonecreek has already changed their author from "Elizabeth Spencer" to "Elizabeth Spencer (I)". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, except he added her image to webpage field by mistake, so I've just moved it to the right field, pending approval. Also, the older Spencer has a photo under "Movies, TV and Bio" on Amazon but as usual with "S" URL photos like those ISFDB won't accept them with or without the trailing stuff before .jpg, giving an unsupported message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Your submission is approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:08, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete x2 ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the older images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGM2014.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGB2014.jpg here]. Uploaded by mistake. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted as requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:36, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1968198; I added link to Hodder and created a new record for Crowell, it's W. J. Dawson in both, author name neeeds changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawsey ? Hayes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001; I am not entering all of that info again just for a minor publisher name change so if someone knows how to preserve the one sentence in the publisher record then my edit can be un-rejected. Seems to me it would have made more sense to accept the edit and then cut-and-paste the sentence into the publisher record afterwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I first went to the publisher record and changed the name there. Then that portion of your submission effectively became a no-up (changing the existing name to the same thing, so no publisher deletion), so I was able to un-reject it and approve it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Johnsgard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5718012; I made another edit adding all info except name change, cover artists entered with alternate name for the man so after it's accepted that can be used as the parent, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Change made and submissions approved. Submit an edit to import the cover art credit into the tp and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SJS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=solomon+j&type=Name; 1 credit each for the last 2 guys, your decision which is parent and which is variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:23, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?360672 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:28, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Islands in the Sky cover art ==<br />
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Entry for cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?652621 this] publication shows two different images, although the spacestation is the same the approaching rocket has been replaced by a boy on the 1984 edition - both images are by Peter Andrew Jones. Should the later edition's image not be seperated out and varianted ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:40, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We variant for author, title, language and title type (artwork & serials only). We do not variant for a difference in the artwork. It's the same and we merge or it isn't. The same meaning "all or part of one appears in the other". [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:47, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Alrighty. I only queried since there is a substantial difference between the one signed 'PAJ 80 Solar Wind' and the one signed 'PAJ 81' --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If you think they are different enough, you can unmerge them and add notes on the reasons for it. I think they fall under our "is contained in" or "is part of" rule so they are ok as they are but the rules in that area can be interpreted differently. As John mentioned, they cannot be variants though so the choice is between what we have now and 2 separate unconnected entries. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. I made a note in regards to the difference on the publication, plus the difference is obvious when viewing the cover art entry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Matheson's Musings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Zapp#Musings; Do mods agree that it should be changed to an essay? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:26, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author name change needed ==<br />
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The spelling for author LJ Cohen is currently "L. J. Cohen" [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?203069 sic]. Would a moderator please change it to her preferred spelling of "LJ Cohen"? That is the spelling she uses on her [https://www.ljcohen.net/ website] and which appears on the titles currently recorded in ISFDB. I think the current spelling is a holdover from old spelling rules. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The rules are still valid especially because these are initials (so not really old spelling rules) - but they also allow for author's preference to take precedence. I've changed it and added a note on the page so someone does not "fix" it. As you are the only PV of any of her book I saw, consider this also a notification for the changed in your PVd book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:54, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== (Slightly) clashing pending edits for author Juleen Brantingham ==<br />
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I just submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5730414 5730414], but I get a yellow warning for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730402 5730402] which makes a similar change. My edit is a superset of the latter - adds a more details place of birth, obit link and expanded note - so could someone reject 5730402, or at least apply it before my edit 5730414 gets applied, so nothing gets lost? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Approved them in the correct sequence. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:17, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Horus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722514; Can someone change the publisher to Horus Publishing? After that's done will that lead to unrejecting my edit? Because I've done hundreds since then and it's kind of hard to remember what I did for a single edit days or weeks ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: All good now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:27, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Architecture of Desire ==<br />
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Entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518517 this] cover art has combined three entirely different pieces of art by Chris Brown. Note that [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0e/BKTG04149.jpg this] is not the same as [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/e5/BKTG04151.jpg this] - there are substanial diferences between the two pieces. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:53, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are definitely different. I've separated them into the three pieces. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:44, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:23, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Printing ==<br />
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http://www.cars101.com/firstid.html; I think this would be helpful; I have a pending edit adding a Random House book which starts with 2 in the number line but it's not a 2nd printing, that's how they started their lines for much of their history. Can this be added to Help or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reeves-Stevens - Phase II: The Lost Series ==<br />
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The coverart credit as it stands {{P|32543|here}} is wrong, can we have help from a moderator to sort it out? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:How is it wrong? Have you contacted [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] to see what it states on the copyright page? Is there separate art on the front and back covers? If it's a mashup up two pieces of art, each by one of the two credited artists, the listing is correct. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jem ==<br />
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There seems to be two entries for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117921 this] publication. The note for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322056 this] version also has a 1980 printing and a £1.50 price and points to (presumably) the true 1980 printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?JMRCPBTPGS1980 here]. Can't determine what the difference between the two entries could possibly be. Thoughts ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:36, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accidental cover upload ==<br />
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Hello Mods I inadvertantly uploaded the hardback cover art for a paperback edition (that'll teah me to look first). Title in question is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27997 Return to Eden]. If someone could revert it back to what it was previously that' be great. I have uploaded it to the correct hardback edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Reverted. I also approved your submission adding the image to the Grafton hc. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:24, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg; My cover doesn't show up but neither does the cover someone else uploaded last year. Can someone get my cover to show up? Also, I made an edit adding editor as cover artist so can you approve that, too. You also may want to check to see if the other person uploaded a cover for the American edition (different title) because there's no cover there, either. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== TCASFW Discussion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#TCASFW; When one of you approves my edit you can discuss with this PV what you'd like to do. I think their final message is that one of their volumes has a dash and one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:46, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding image credit , please ==<br />
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Good day,<br />
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I need help.<br />
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I would like to have an INTERIOR ART CREDIT added for Author record # 269730 ; Carl Lavoie.<br />
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It’s in the recent<br />
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Vastarien: A Literary Journal. Vol. 6, Issue 1<br />
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and it’s the frontispiece illustration, ‘The Evil Eye'.<br />
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Here’s a link to a sample of the issue, the illustration is right after the cover page:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/Vastarien-Literary-Journal-vol-issue/dp/B0CBT4B6D1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28D1CYLFVH4XL&keywords=vastarien+literary&qid=1692175645&sprefix=%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-1&asin=B0CBT4B6D1&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1<br />
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And here’s a link to the publisher, listing the content of the recent issue:<br />
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https://grimscribepress.com/issues/<br />
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Thank you. And have a wonderful day.<br />
-Carl Lavoie<br />
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: Thank you for getting interested in our little project. However, it seems as if the issue you refer to hasn't been added yet; the latest one I can find is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?872536 this] from 2021.<br />
: But before you or someone else becomes active and enters it: this seems to be a general literary journal which then wouldn't be eligible per se to ISFDB (which is devoted to speculative fiction); for such a journal only the speculative fiction items, the artwork illustrating them, and essays referring to speculative fiction would be allowed to be included in the entry (see [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions these definitions]. Please think about it, and then think if you'd like to get help to add the publication in question. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:18, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Frederick, Chambers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5746601; I came across Quick Action by Robert W. Chambers and added links (and a Canadian reprint) and then decided to enter links and stuff for other Chambers books illustrated by Frederick. Ran into trouble immediately because Tracer of Lost Persons is as by "R. W. Chambers" so if someone can approve my edit so it can be made a variant and month added to title record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:54, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MRC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2970668; An Archive.org link was recently upped for his 2014 novel so I added a link then I saw that his recent novel didn't have cover art in both editions so I imported it, then I noticed that the cover artist, who is also the author, didn't have a period added after R so it's a separate record. Since R with a period has bio info that means if I add a period it will erase the info, I think, so if one of you can add it without erasing the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I fixed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK) ==<br />
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I'm editing {{P|178073|Asimov's Extraterrestrials}} and on the title page is stated "Dragon [over] Grafton Books [over] A Division of the Collins Publishing Group". We have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27309 Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK)] but my understanding is that we don't record the owners (Collins) of the publishers (Grafton). If that's correct, the four publications (also 1986) listed in that category should be "Dragon / Grafton" (as imprint / publisher). If moderators agree, that's what I propose using in the Publisher field for my edit (and I could also amend the four other publications to the same). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:40, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Not hearing any objections, I'll wait another few days and then implement the above. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:54, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== With/with ==<br />
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I happened to notice that a mod is correcting "With" to "with" in a lot of records. Is there some way to trawl all the records and automatically correct wrongly capitalized words (or vice versa) with a patch or something? Seems like that would be helpful and save a lot of time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multiple Archive.org Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756500; Can a mod approve my edits for Number 87 from the first one linked above and ending with 5756519? I want to know if adding the second Archive.org link which someone added to the title records instead of the Macmillan edition's record will erase the much more recent link, uploaded this year, which I added in my first edit. On a side note, author's collection Thoughts in Prose and Verse also has been linked, no contents, in case anyone cares to read it and enter genre stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Does everything look as you intended? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:32, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, I don't know, I've completely confused myself. I see one title record still has old link that I removed and I missed another Macmillan link, so I've removed it again and added new link. I don't even think my note above was correct because the new link is for the UK edition so it wouldn't erase the US link. Forget it, I can't do this stuff anymore, 2 more links to approve when you get a chance, someone else will have to take a look and make sure links are where they're supposed to be along with everything else, I'm done. I've got to get out of here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== image delete request ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the old (04:13 hrs) image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DRKBNDCTNF2015.jpg here]. (edit) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:ErsatzCulture#Miller_-_Dark_Benediction this discussion]. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:15, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Kev, You wish to delete the cover with 'jr' correct? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:43, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that's the one. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:20, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine-Thirty O'Clock in the Morning ==<br />
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Curious what happened to the usual 5-minute or so delay at 9:30 every morning. It didn't happen today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The daily backups run between 9:30am and 9:35am. The database is unavailable until they finish.<br />
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: On 2023-08-30 the backup process was modified to exclude a large and fast growing database table which didn't need to be backed up in the first place. An error was introduced while making the change, which caused the backups to fail on 2023-08-31. The error was corrected the same day and the backups have been running smoothly ever since. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:29, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deagol ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Deagol; I added my first-ever message to this PV and noticed all messages are in italics or a weird font or something. Probably not important but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's bizarre. I can't see anything on that page that would cause everything to be in italics. I can't find any other page that are like that, either. I'm guessing it's something that went funky on the backend. We'd have to have Al or Ahasuerus look at it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Nevermind, I found it. While it shouldn't have affected the entire page (it should have only affected the part after it), I removed the italics from the page with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADeagol&type=revision&diff=670207&oldid=670204 this edit]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:29, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Here's another page; https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Clarkmci. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pastel City. ==<br />
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Hello mods. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1868818 This] interior art is the same artwork as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2251327 this] title record. I'd also like to rename the interior art record from "The Great Rebellion [1]" to "CA 440 Minifreighter" (as per art caption in Cowley's Great Space Battles). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:38, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If there is a caption (or a title somewhere) in the book, then yes, rename and use that - captions and titles from inside of the books are always used when known instead of the standard [] notation. If the title was coming from a secondary source, we would just add it into the notes but if it is in the book, go ahead and rename. And variant it to the cover :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:30, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You may want to participate at [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F|this Rules and standards discussions]]. As pointed out in that discussion, the current rules do not include using the caption / title (though that has become a common practice) and so far there has not been agreement to change the rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:00, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Will do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:45, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1))<br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy<br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb<br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original)<br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original)<br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb<br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb<br />
page 155 Futureboro (original)<br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction:<br />
The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page <br />
to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books {{unsigned|RogerSSS}}<br />
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== Protocol for working on recently added/changed publications ==<br />
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There has always been potential for moderators unknowingly working on the same set of submissions. Early on we added the ability to put submissions "on hold" in order to mitigate this problem. Later, we added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent_activity_menu.cgi Recent Activity] page and, even more recently, "Edit History", which helps avoid confusion and cross-approvals.<br />
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At the same time, the recent implementation of the "self-approver" system significantly increased the number of editors who can approve submissions. Earlier today we had a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eccentric_Orbits:_An_Anthology_of_Scienc collision] between a moderator working on new submissions and a self-approver who noticed the new publication and tried to improve it while the moderator was still researching it. The result was a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?970089 mishmash of approvals].<br />
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What should be the standard for moderators and self-approvers working on recently approved records which the original approver may still be researching? Since we now have Edit History, should it be something like:<br />
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* Before correcting/adding data to a publication record, check its Edit History. If the record has been created or modified within the last 24 (12? 48? 72?) hours, check with the last approving moderator to see if the record is still being researched.<br />
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? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider it always a good idea to talk to the editors and moderators that had worked on a record that still need work before changing the work of people -- sometimes they have an edit staying in a browser and never submitted, sometimes they just had not had a chance to get back to the record to fix it (or got distracted) and sometimes it is a misunderstanding of the rules on someone's part - the person trying to improve or the editor who started it or simply a disagreement on how things need to be entered where the rules allow editor's discretion. And especially if the submitter is a new(ish) user and there is no note from the handling moderator on their page yet but I think it is common courtesy in all cases. Asking for 24 hours grace period is a good first step I guess. Adding to that the requirement for communication before the edits are done will be even better - and will also help getting our editors closer to being self-sustaining. I did not think that we need to put that in writing but apparently it is not as self-evident as I always assumed it to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Could we add a flag to each record that gets set when a change is submitted, and then removed 25 hours after the submission is approved (and removed if a submission is declined)? Then the system could display a note on the edit page for any record that has that flag set. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, if the goal is to display a warning when an editor tries to edit a publication record that has been modified within the last 24 hours, then it can be done without adding new flags. We already have Edit History; it would be easy to modify the software to check it and display a warning. We'll just need to decide on what the warning should say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Mountain being made out of a molehill. No need to add bureaucracy and development effort for a problem that rarely happens. This is a collaborative project which means people could occasionally work on the same items, but, in practice, it rarely happens in a short period of time. People should not feel possessive about their edits. An equally valid solution would be for moderators to put edits on hold and do their research prior to accepting the submission. That way they can make the corrections immediately after accepting the submission. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Let me just clarify that adding a note along the lines of "This Publication was last edited by X and approved by Y on 2023-09-12 at 12:34pm" to EditPub forms affecting recently edited publications would be quite simple. We already have all of the requisite data in a readily accessible location within the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Apparently the definition of possessive, as used in the above comment, is the approving moderator making the necessary changes and/or communicating with the submitting user immediately after approval. Isn't that exactly our responsibility? If not please enlighten me. I don't believe a software solution is necessary. It would surprise me if anyone else would decide to edit a publication immediately after its initial approval. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Re: "edit[ing] a publication immediately after its initial approval", I have come close to accidentally colliding with other editors/moderators a few times. I am subscribed to Amazon's automatic notifications for certain authors. When they publish new books, Amazon sends me an email. Sometimes other editors/moderators buy the same books the day they are published and enter them into the database at around the same time. I don't think it has caused any issues yet, especially now that we have additional yellow warnings, but it's been close a few times. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:09, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: It doesn't take a moderator to know we cannot edit submissions, but must approve them and then make corrections. The comment about research before approval is also incorrect. I had identified the changes I wanted to make. However it took me eight minutes to enter the corrections and the notes to moderator , review and post. P.S. I would have promptly replied to a query as to status.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::This proposal is for a 24-hour period. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:46, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then propose a shorter window. The last time an editor (sitting on the recent updates queue and jumping as soon as they thought they saw something they MUST update now), made a merge on a story in an anthology of 20 titles or more, most of which required updates in the titles and authors (capitalization and spaces an so on) and follow-up merges and my edit had to be redone from scratch because the merge deleted the title ID - thus making the edit unworkable. I did not raise the question back then - I just redid the edit, posted for the new editor (first edit by them -- and anthologies tend to be... not fun) and then walked away for the day. It was not the first time that had happened. If common courtesy won't regulate that and it does happen more often than once in a blue moon, then we will need to spell out some rules. It is not about being possessive or not doing research before approval - it is about giving a moderator the needed time to do their post-approval edits before losing their time and forcing them to either redo the edit from scratch or look through multiple edits to see if something conflicted somewhere and a second edit is required. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The above proposal doesn't address your scenario. A title merge is not a publication edit so wouldn't get the proposed warning. Collisions can happen without people sitting on the recent updates queue & without editing the same pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:54, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: It does - when the merge is because someone opened the recently created publication and looked for duplicates and decided to "help", that is exactly the issue at hand. Collisions always happen - and we all learn to live with them. But these are easily avoidable with a bit of common courtesy (or with a rule that says not to do it - if nothing else works). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Standards question has reached an impasse ==<br />
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Three verifiers cannot reach agreement regarding current standards. The question revolves around the publication pages field and content titles page field. Please help resolve the impasse [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#1634:_The_Bavarian_Crisis here] Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Mandelo, Revisited ==<br />
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Although we view the Lee Mandelo name change as closed, this has not been the case in the general public. In particular, the ISFDB Wikipedia article has recently used Jason Sanford's article about the Lee Mandelo situation as factual evidence of an issue, and I would like to post actual counter evidence of what actually happened. As such, I've been working on two documents. The first is a post-mortem of the situation, which provides a detailed timeline of every submission and communication which is related to the name change. It then summarizes the system issues and potential recommendations. Once the post-mortem is finalized I will post an Open Letter to the SF Community, which will reference that post-mortem.<br />
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The intention of this two articles is to provide a reference-quality document that can be added as a reference to Wikipedia, if needed. So I'd like the documents to be clean, and not contain large sections of indented discussions. There definitely should be discussions, but not within those documents. The first document is available now at:<br />
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* [[User:Alvonruff/A_Post-Mortem_on_the_Lee_Mandelo_Name_Change]]<br />
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Discussion about the document can occur here. Feel free to directly correct any grammar/spelling errors. Detailed discussions about the potential implementation of the recommendations should take place in the usual locations. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 10:42, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Is this discussion only open to moderators? I appreciate Community Portal can be noisy, but assuming that this discussion is open to all ISFDB stakeholders, maybe have a link on that page here at least? <br />
: (Super trivial observation: maybe fix the "Revisted" typo in the item title, before there are any links pointing at the wrong title?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:00, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Fine with me to move the discussion so that it is open to all. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 15:08, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Organizing all of the publicly available data -- submissions, Wiki discussions, etc -- as a timeline sounds like a reasonable idea.<br />
::: One thing that we may want to consider is how the ISFDB project communicates with the outside world. Currently, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_other_Web_sites_and_social_media_accounts_does_the_ISFDB_use.3F the ISFDB FAQ says]:<br />
:::* ''What other Web sites and social media accounts does the ISFDB use?''<br />
:::* ISFDB administrators may post announcements on [http://isfdb.blogspot.com/ this Blogspot] Web page in case of extended unscheduled downtime or connectivity problems. There are no other official or ISFDB-endorsed Web sites, Web pages or social media accounts. Non-ISFDB Web sites and social media accounts maintained by individual ISFDB contributors (editors, moderators and administrators) are independent of the ISFDB and are not endorsed by it.<br />
::: This policy was originally formulated in part due to the existence of Web sites/Web pages like [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb this Facebook page] which uses the ISFDB name and images without clarifying that it is not affiliated with the ISFDB project.<br />
::: The policy means that our project is currently a closed system with no Web/social media presence aside from the ISFDB Web site and no official communications with the outside world except by individual ISFDB contributors acting on their own.<br />
::: If we are to change this approach, we will presumably want to formulate an official communications strategy first. Something like an official social media account, perhaps? (I don't use social media outside of Web/Usenet forums which discuss SF, so I may not be the best person to come up with ideas.)<br />
::: Alternatively, Al could post an "open letter" as an individual. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:12, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::One thing we need to do is try to work with Sanford to correct his information in [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/genre-grapevine-for-december-31-2022 his post]. At least based on the timeline Al posted, the first time a concern was posted in one of the public forums here is on Dec 14, 2022 by the author in question, and everything was handled within less than a week. So saying ISFDB "fought against changing Lee Mandelo’s name in the site’s author listing for over a year" is rather a stretch. As noted, we should find a way to make it more clear when we will change a canonical name, but we certainly weren't "fighting" against changing it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: A new section, "How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?", was [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AFAQ&type=revision&diff=651853&oldid=651852 added to the ISFDB FAQ] on 2022-12-26 based on this and previous discussions. Can anyone think of additional ways to increase its visibility? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:13, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Additionally, Sanford describes Username as a moderator, which is not and has never been the case. At the very least, his comment was certainly insensitive, but Sanford should do his homework before trying to smear the moderators. Simply checking the list at the top of the Moderator noticeboard would have clarified that point. The "bad publicity" really had nothing to do with us making the change. It was the author posting here and making a request. Once we were made aware there was an issue, we discussed it and quickly made the updates (as noted, within less than a week from being made aware of the issue). The majority of that less-than-a-week was sorting out exactly what needed to be done to make all the changes as it's not a simple thing to do, and things have to be done in a specific order in order to not make it even more difficult to update. <br />
::::I think having an official Twitter/X and/or Facebook account would be good as those are the two largest social media platforms for publishing-related things. The Blogspot site is fine, but no one is going to think of looking there since it's rather obscure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Excuse me, how did I get roped into this nonsense? Some trans activists try to bully this site into changing someone's "dead" name and it's my fault now? What comment are you referring to? I do more edits and leave more messages here than everyone else combined --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To clarify: as of last morning, of the 234,773 submissions approved in 2023, 17,359 (7.4%) were created by [[User:Username|Username]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:41, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: so mentioning a singular thing I said a long time ago is pointless because I wouldn't remember it, anyway. Quote me what I supposedly said. EDIT: Never mind, Mr. Sanford quoted me on his Substack page where I quite logically inquired as to what would happen if Mandelo decided their transition was a mistake and wanted to transition back; would Mandelo and all the assorted friends bully ISFDB into changing everything back to Brit? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F current policy] is:<br />
::::::* The name chosen to be the canonical name is the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre.<br />
:::::: Lee Mandelo provided evidence that the "most recognized name within the SF genre" was "Lee Mandelo". Once we confirmed it, we changed the canonical name as per the policy, not because the author requested it. Whether the policy should be changed to account for author preferences is a different issue and fodder for the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: There are countless people online who have said their transition was the result of peer pressure or mental/emotional confusion or bad parents/doctors who encouraged them to transition for their own personal/monetary reasons and, tragically, many of them have already had body parts removed that they'll never be able to replace. Pretending otherwise is choosing not to accept reality. If Mandelo feels like their transition will be permanent and they're happy with that, fine. ISFDB is a gigantic site and highly disorganized; expecting it to run smoothly for one person is unreasonable. The delay in changing the name was due to a complete breakdown in communication, not because of transphobia. I reject terms like "bigoted" and "insensitive" to describe my remark; an apology will suffice. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To my shame, I didn't say anything publicly when this kicked off originally - instead choosing to walk away from any association with this site for several months - but quite frankly, I feel that this site would be better off without you. All the edits you do to fix bad data are great in themselves, but I don't think they are worth all the aggravation you cause. If I recall correctly, at least one moderator refuses to work on your edits, and numerous other moderators and editors have had run-ins with you over your edits and general attitude. You've promised on numerous occasions that you intend to leave this site, any chance you can fulfill those promises?<br />
:::::: It's one thing when that stuff is kept internal to this wiki, but when it explodes into the public domain, like it did last December, then all of us get tarred with the same brush, which is why I walked away then. I have numerous issues with what "the other side" did last December - e.g. Sanford's apparent lack of any sort of reaching out to get the ISFDB side of the story; the fact that (as IIRC Scifibones also found) 5 minutes of investigation disproved the claim that the deadname wasn't being still being used for publications (although it looks like some/most of them have finally been updated) - but it's hard to defend the ISFDB position when you had utterly poisoned the discourse. If you don't believe the comments you posted were utterly inflammatory, can I suggest you step out of your FoxNews/Daily Wire/Newsmax/whatever bubble, and understand that you can't talk to people that way?<br />
:::::: Maybe I'll get attacked or censured for this comment, but quite frankly, I'd rather that happen, than have been silent on this. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:03, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: [[User:Username|Username]] has been warned about being abrasive and about personal attacks, e.g. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Warning_re:_the_last_exchange_with_Willem_H._on_the_Community_Portal here]. However, the ideal outcome is not to drive abrasive editors away, it is to help them improve their ability to communicate with other editors to ensure that the project functions smoothly. If it doesn't work, then [[ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy]], which provides for escalating penalties for misconduct up to and including an indefinite block, comes into play. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Re-reading [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]], I have a few suggestions:<br />
* "14 December 2022" where it says "Mandelo posts a request to the Moderator Noticeboard". I suggest linking [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display the Moderator Noticeboard discussion].<br />
* Same day where it says "A 4-day bibliographic discussion follows with numerous open questions, with responses from Mandelo." I suggest adding that the current standard -- "For authors who publish under multiple names, the canonical name is the most recognized name for that author within the genre" -- was explained to Lee Mandelo who then provided evidence supporting the notion that, as of 2022-12, the "most recognized name" was indeed "Lee Mandelo". That's what triggered the canonical name change.<br />
* The "Recommendations" section of [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]] suggests the following change to the canonical name policy:<br />
** The Canonical Name of a living author should only be changed at the request of the author in question.<br />
* This would be a fairly major policy change which would affect a number of scenarios. For example, we have received canonical author change requests based on authors trying to promote new working names. To quote what I wrote during the 2022-12 discussion:<br />
** It's been occasionally proposed that we make exceptions to our canonical name policy for certain types of scenarios. For example, {{A|Debora Geary}} published ''A Modern Witch'', a series of popular urban fantasies, in 2011-2013. Then, after a painful divorce, she removed all of them from Amazon and restarted her career as Audrey Faye. A few years ago she published a non-fiction account of her recovery after divorce ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835287 Sleeping Solo: One Woman's Journey Into Life After Marriage]) in which she explained why she could no longer be associated with the name "Debora Geary". Another example would be a person converting to another religion and changing his or her name to reflect new beliefs. Changing one's gender would be another scenario which has been discussed a few times, including [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Canonical_names_for_transgender_authors an extensive Rules and Standards discussion in September 2018].<br />
** So far these discussions of possible exceptions have failed to lead to a new consensus, in part because of the number of possible scenarios and sub-scenarios. For example, consider {{A|Poppy Z. Brite}}, who has been using the name "Billy Martin" socially since the early 2010s, but whose books continue to be published as by "Poppy Z. Brite".<br />
* We will need to discuss the proposed change on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page.<br />
[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:23, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In my opinion, the best part about the current policy is that it is quantitative/qualitative and not subjective. We did not use "Brit Mandelo" because of someone's whim or someone's views on Mondelo's gender identity or even popular vote. Technically, the switch from Brit to Lee as canonical was made because the underlying measure of primary identification changed over time and "Lee Mandelo" supplanted "Brit Mandelo". I don't think we should have a blanket policy that authors or their agents can request changes. That's another form of whim, and the ISFDB's purpose is not advertising for authors or publishers. Perhaps one thing we could consider, though, is a policy allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change. E.g., if "ABC" came to us and said "I changed my name to 'XYZ', and all of my books are being pulled from the shelves and are being reissued using that name. Could 'XYZ' be configured as my canonical name?" ISFDB could then project the future and perhaps act early. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:19, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Re: "allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change", we ran into an issue in this area back in the late 2010s.<br />
::: In 2015 the author who had published the "Vladimir Tod/Slayer Chronicles" series as {{A|Heather Brewer}} [https://ew.com/article/2015/06/25/heather-brewer-zac-brewer-transgender/ changed the name] to "Zac Brewer". There were plans to republish Brewer's old books under the new name and at least one SF story was indeed published that way. Based on that, an ISFDB editor proposed that we change the canonical name to "Zac Brewer" with the expectation that it would soon become the "most recognized name ... within the genre". At the time we decided to wait and see what would happen in another year or two.<br />
::: As it turned out, the name "Zac Brewer" was used on 2 non-genre novels in 2016-2017, but all new speculative fiction (2 novels and 1 story) appeared as by "Z Brewer". I guess it goes to show that making assumptions about future releases is chancy in the publishing business. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I agree. Keeping the policy as objective as possible is a good thing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:43, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]], thanks for a very nice job on the timeline. I'm not sure anything posted on social media ever changed anyone's opinion, but it accurately documents the facts. Sections 3 and 4 are better served as the kickoff to the Rules and Standards discussion and should not be included in the public release. A subsequent post documenting our reasoning and any changes is a better course. Anyone interested can follow and/or participate in the R & S discussions (I anticipate multiple threads). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], If you are going to link this thread to the letter, I suggest starting the main thread and moving [[User:MartyD|MartyD's]] & [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe's]] posts there. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:54, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I agree that discussions of the current canonical name policy and any proposed changes belong on the Rules and Standards page. I am just waiting for Al to chime in and clarify whether he meant to propose a change. If he did, then we can move the policy part of the discussion there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:00, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: For Al's postmortem, I think it would be helpful to quote the first paragraph of the '''Canonical Name''' definition from [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] and to summarize the "enter-name-as-it-appears-in-the-publication" policy and provide links to [[Template:TitleFields:Author]] and [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] prior to getting into the timeline. That is the working context for the data present in the system and various events that occurred during the timeline. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:32, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: That's a good point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Review of" ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412925; While my editing which ended after Labor Day won't resume full-time until October I did, after a week without any edits, start doing a few handfuls of clean-up edits fixing this or that which lately have been almost entirely related to D. F. Lewis. I just came across an interesting situation which a mod should probably take care of because it's a 2-step process, changing ESSAY to REVIEW and then link review from the menu, which mods can approve instantly instead of me doing one step and then waiting for approval before doing the other step. Nemonymous 3 mentioned in the review in the zine linked above is on ISFDB, titled Gold Coin; the issue of New Genre is also here as is the issue of Gigamesh. The last non-linked review is of a Norwegian novel whose title translates as a ghost story so that book almost certainly is eligible and should be entered here and then the review linked to it. That one may require someone with a knowledge of the language. I tried to figure out how to search for all instances of "review of" in All Hallows issues but I couldn't do it. Maybe someone else knows how or, if not, an issue-by-issue check will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pohl - Gateway ==<br />
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Has anybody any suggestions how [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rudam#Pohl_-_Gateway this situation] might be resolved. No progress has been made as the PV is unresponsive. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image Deletion ==<br />
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Could a moderator please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THBKFSTRND2014.jpg this image]. The licensing tag information is incorrect. After the deletion, I will re-upload with correct tag. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:47, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. You could have edited the tag BTW :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't realise I could do it myself. Thanks for the image deletion and the heads up re editing the licence tag. I have now figured out how to do it for the future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:44, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shutdown ==<br />
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Library of Congress has an ominous red warning about what will happen if the U.S. government shuts down a few days from now. Will anything on this site be affected or will it make no difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:57, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The only effect will be not being able to look up LCCNs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LOTR Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3078415; Another editor added an archived link to the Canadian edition recently but nobody ever added a link to the USA edition which has been there since 2010 so I just added it. The title is in question because it's written in fancy font on title pages; PV Auric seemed to think Film Book should be 2 words but other editions are Filmbook. So which should it really be, and should Part I be removed from USA title since it's not actually part of the title in the book? PV doesn't respond very often so I thought I'd bring it up here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for Voyage of Mael Duin's Curragh ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49434; I just had my edit adding an archived link and fixing cover artist/adding interior artist but after looking at it I realized dates are off because Locus, https://www.locusmag.com/index/b1.htm, has one of those 2-date things and someone entered book as October but title and cover art are September, with my new interior art credit matching the book's October date. What's the rule? Which date should they all be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:What does it state on the copyright page? If it includes a month, that's what we should use. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:04, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::No, there's no month, if there was that would take precedence over Locus. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art credit removal ==<br />
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As we don't credit designers for coverart, would moderators agree to removing Michniewicz's titles from {{P|129031|here}} and {{P|174091|here}}? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:50, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2000/b5.htm#A119.2 Locus1] credits Michniewicz for the first one's cover. Since he is PV for both, you could try reaching out to Michael (use the ISFDB to send him mail) and see if he'll respond and offer an opinion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:34, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Unfortunately I can't use the email system (it won't work with my provider, even though Ahasuerus has tried to fix it for me) so the only possibility there is if some kind soul would email him for me.<br />
::As far as I can ascertain from all the pub notes, Michniewicz is credited as designer for a lot of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?168 the series] for the simple graphics. It is only for later issues where Gollancz have incorporated actual artwork that the artists get credit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:29, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Any other help please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:03, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I would leave a note on [[User talk:Mhhutchins]] re: the proposed changes. If there is no response after a week, we can remove the COVERART titles and document the designers in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've left a message on his talk page. Thank you for the advice! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:10, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Goss ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?239252; 2 different guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:39, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Goat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?882813; Can a mod take a look at those last 2 edits? I see at least a few problems with ID and web links; maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow Edits ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MOHearn#Return_of_the_Shadow; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5782555; I contacted MOHearn but we have some cross-editing going on so if I can ask one of you to approve my edits (assuming there's no problem with any of them) starting with the one linked above and going through 5782728 (there's 4 non-Shadow edits from 5782649 through 5782652; ignore those) so we can put these behind us. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== El Topo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5784269; HC copy uploaded recently, I'm going to add it (I added that paper edition a while ago) but wanted to get this edit approved first assuming mods agree it should be a chapbook since novelization is only 80-something pages with the rest being non-fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning up English translations of RUR ==<br />
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Hi all, I'm in the process of cleaning up the English translations of {{A|Karel Čapek|161}}'s {{T|2218756|RUR}}. This has led to a bunch of related edit submissions ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791148 5791148], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791149 5791149], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791151 5791151], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791157 5791157], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791159 5791159], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791160 5791160], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791188 5791188]), several of which will involve follow-up edits.<br />
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That said, I'm not quite sure how to approach cleaning up one of the existing {{T|1156033|chapbook}} / {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} pairs. There are 3 associated publications: {{P|328124}}, {{P|362654}}, {{P|529466}}.<br />
* '''{{P|328124}}''' is an English translation by David Short that I expect is distinct from the other two publications.<br />
* '''{{P|362654}}''' is an English translation by David Wyllie that is currently mapped to the wrong title(s) based on viewing the publication's title page via a reading sample from Amazon (see edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995]).<br />
* '''{{P|529466}}''' is a seemingly unknown English translation from Amazon's on-demand (self-)publisher. I haven't been able to find much trace of this particular edition online. I'm guessing this is likely a reprint of the out-of-copyright translation by Paul Selver possibly further adapted by Nigel Playfair.<br />
Do the following actions seem appropriate for this situation?<br />
# Unmerge {{P|328124}} and associate with new variant chapbook and shortfiction titles (distinct translation by David Short)<br />
# Unmerge {{P|362654}} and associate with different variant {{T|1114927|chapbook}} and {{T|1314651|shortfiction}} titles (distinct translation by David Wyllie)<br />
# Leave {{P|529466}} as is, but update associated {{T|1156033|chapbook}} and {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} titles to note that this is an unknown translation.<br />
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Thanks! --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 14:03, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep - when we know the translators of a specific book, unmerge the chapbook and the story, make them variants and add the translator to the notes of both titles. We had been slowly chipping at the early messes such as this one, created long before we started recording translators on the title level - so thanks for sorting it out. I also tend to add a "This title may contain multiple distinct translations" note or something to that effect to the one with unknown translators - when there is more than one book anyway. If two unknowns are known to be different, we also unmerge them and add as much as we know on their notes to identify what goes where... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:23, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Jules Verne has lots of examples of multiple translations in various languages. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:29, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks, that makes sense. I mainly wanted to check how to handle this particular instance because I expected the translator could be identified if someone checked this particular edition. Jules Verne is a good (although more complex) example that I'll keep in mind when I clean up future translation records. --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 17:45, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: We are playing catch-up on these -- for a long time, we did not separate or record per translator - so since we started, it had been a never ending game of finding all of them. And the ones translated into English are the most problematic due to the volume - in most other languages, we are mostly done with adding the Translator template which required the messes to be untangled. There are corners of the DB like that - where you will find surprises you would think cannot happen. Jules Verne looks as good as he does because Doug spent months fixing the records. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Old cover image delete ==<br />
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Could someone please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MCKNGBRDPV0000.jpg the old image], Date/Time: - 11:47, 23 February 2014 - to prevent reverting. The new image is identical but larger. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:26, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:20, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Annie! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Invaders by Adelia Saunders ==<br />
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This concerns the cover art shown for Publication Record # 777558, Invaders by Vaughn Heppner<br />
The cover art shows the author to be Adelia Saunders. She did not write a book called Invaders. She did write one called Indelible.<br />
I went over to Brilliance Audio. This is just a generic cover they use. Its the same cover for Invader by C.J. Cherryh, Artemis Invaded by Jane Lindskoid and a number of others including The Spirit of Dorsai, By Gordon R. Dickson [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 19:51, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?777558 Updated], thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derived prices in early Bantam Books ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25 Bantam Books] was founded in 1945 and concentrated on publishing mass market paperbacks. As far as I can tell, early on they didn't display prices on the cover or on the spine. However, some (all?) of them, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''''The Day He Died''], had ad pages in the back with one or more lists of books which you could buy by sending $0.25 plus $0.05 for postage to the publisher's address. I suppose it's likely that the list price was also $0.25, although it's not a guarantee.<br />
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Some online sources explicitly state that the list price was "$0.25", but I don't know where their data comes from. Some of our records also display "$0.25" in the price field, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''], which has the following note:<br />
* No price stated, but ad pages for current releases list $0.25 price.<br />
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Clearly, this situation requires an explanation in the Note field, but what would you enter in the price field? $0.25? Leave it blank? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:11, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems ok to me to use $0.25 and treat the ad as a secondary source. If we had a book with no printed price on it, found a review (or announcement) contemporaneous with its issuance, and that review stated a price, I think we would normally be happy to use that and cite the review as the source. The ad situation strikes me as equivalent. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:03, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree. As long as there is a note explaining the sourcing of the price, this is not different from finding a price on a publisher site, a contemporary review or any other secondary source. If we ever find a better information that contradicts the price as derived via such a method for that specific book, the note can be adjusted and the price changed if needed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:44, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to Ahasuerus for following up my discussion with him and getting this cleared up. Here's a list, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=contains&TERM_2=Latham&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=Bantam&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], of all Bantam books PV by Scott Latham; he entered prices for all of them and there's a note in the third book that he got the price from Tuck. EDIT: In the 4th book there's a note, "Price from ads in the back, listing other Bantam titles all for 25¢", so it seemed random whether there's no price note or where he got it from if he did leave a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:56, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think this is fine. A note should be included stating where the price was from, but I have no problem sourcing prices that way. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Thanks, folks. I have updated the publication record, deleted a duplicate pub and notified the affected verifier. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Can we have some clarification please because I am confused by this discussion.<br />
:Ahasuerus' initial post implied to me that we are looking at a situation where an unpriced book contains a house ad listing other books for sale from the publisher. All these books are listed with an identical price but the list does NOT contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario A.<br />
:However, MartyD and Annie's replies imply to me that they seem to think the list DOES contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario B.<br />
:We need to consider these two scenarios separately.<br />
:Scenario A: I do not consider it appropriate to infer the price of a book from other contemporary books. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11582 Ace 1st pb ed of Dune], published in 1967, is priced 95c. It's a fat book for its era. However, Ace pb's in that year were typically priced around 50c. So if, hypothetically, Ace books published in 1967 did not have a cover price then it would be erroneous to infer that Dune was 50c based on a house ad listing other contemporary books at 50c.<br />
:Scenario B: This is not contentious. Record the price in the Price field and add a mandatory pub note stating the source, ie the house ad. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:52, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry, I may not have been clear. The ads in the back of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''The Day He Died''] do include ''The Day He Died'' (with the correct catalog ID) in the list of books that you can get for $0.25, so it's "Scenario B" above.<br />
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:: Now that I am thinking about, there may be an additional twist. According to Jon Warren's "Official Price Guide: Paperbacks", some early Bantam paperbacks had 2 versions which shared the ''same'' catalog ID: a regular version and a version in a dust jacket. I don't recall seeing dust-jacketed versions, which are apparently highly prized among collectors. I don't know how they were priced and whether you could get them from the publisher for $0.25. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ah, all is good then. Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:53, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name out of date? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79169 G. Arthur Rahman] has about 15 titles under that canonical name, from the 70s and 80s, but he has over 30 under the name Glenn Rahman (and a few under other forms of the name). [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976477 Here] is my entry of some new 2023 stories in addition to those on that author page. I'm holding off on making them variants to ask: Could his canonical name be changed from G. Arthur Rahman to Glenn Rahman to reflect the majority of bylines? -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:29, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Working on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:31, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I'd think so - provided someone sets out to do the transformation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:32, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done! You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15307 here]. Let me know if I missed anything as this one was more complicated due to the number of pseudonyms. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks, Nihonjoe! I'll put the new stories into their series and look over the older ones. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 13:38, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Juliana Pinha --> Juliana Pinho ==<br />
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Hello, would it be possible to correct 'Pinha' to 'Pinho' in this entry for INTERZONE #295? Thank you.<br />
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190 • Notes From the Meeting of the First State Feder World Court: Walker Dairy, Freeville, NY, 198 Year One: Jessica Jane Pearson Vs. The Stranger Mr. Jacob Hampton • interior artwork by Juliana Pinha<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?977484<br />
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--[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 14:29, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: This depends on the way the artist is credited in the issue: we do document the spelling of a name, even if it is mistyped in a given magazine issue (and then do variant it to the canonical name, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3146115 this example]). <br />
: Anyway, since "Interzone" #295 is primary verified, it is etiquette to ask / inform the primary verifier. You can reach him [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk here]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:05, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the info. It is 'Pinho' in the magazine (on the story cover page, and in the contents page). I'll move this to the primary verifier page, thanks.<br />
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:: --[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 16:55, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Bridge by James E. Gunn, Jack Williamson ==<br />
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Publication Record # 31949 states the artist is Ed Valigursky and that there was not any credit in the book. That the credit came from Jack Williamson's Seventy-Five: The Diamond Anniversary of a Science Fiction Pioneer. Heritage Auctions (fineart.ha.com/itm/paintings/gordon-pawelka-american-20th-century-star-bridge-paperback-cover-1963-oil-on-board-20-1-2-x-1/a/8000-71029.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515) has the artist as Gordon Pawelka. Was this a name used by Valigursky or do we have a conflict?? Hey Heritage could be wrong. It sold in 2020 for $3000 {{unsigned|Aardvark7}}<br />
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== RUSSWOTHE ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:RUSSWOTHE; I made a minor edit for a book PV by this person and noticed there's a stray message in the wrong place. Is it possible to move it to their discussion page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:21, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Followup: Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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Hello. I did not receive a response to my [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Crowley_and_Aziraphale.27s_New_Year.27s_resolutions September 2023 question] about how to catalog a weirdly-published Good Omens short story. So I am repeating the question here, please. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 14:25, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not eligible unless it was downloadable as an ebook - we allow only a limited set of online fiction and "a publisher site" is not amongst them. If it was downloadable as an ebook, it will be added as a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wrong tag for L. Sprague de Camp's ''The Hardwood Pile'' ==<br />
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Hello to all. The tag "science fiction" has been wrongly attributed to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57951 this story], which is only a fantastic and humorous ghost story. Could a bureaucrat please remove it ? TIA, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:31, 12 November 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Remove non-SF/fantasy/speculative fiction incorrectly attributed to an SF author ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I recently read and loved the story "In the Days After..." in Asimov's Science Fiction, November-December 2023 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3238197). I was curious about this author who was new to me, with a story I really liked, so I checked ISFDB.<br />
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Most of his work is noted as 1981 and beyond, with a long gap (~28 years) from 1995 to 2023. The Asimov's blurb does note that Frank Ward (William Francis Ward) did take a long time off from writing for "life". https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11458<br />
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There is a 1958 story listed under Frank Ward, "The Dark Corner". I was suspicious of this, as Frank Ward is listed with a 1950 birthdate.<br />
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I checked around. Galactic Central does show a substantial mystery body of work by a different Frank Ward, from the 1930s to the 1960s. http://www.philsp.com/homeville/cfi/n00786.htm#A5<br />
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I confirmed with the current Frank Ward via email that he did not write the mystery story "The Dark Corner", which does show up under the other Frank Ward at Galactic Central.<br />
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Given that "The Dark Corner" here is not by this Frank Ward (William Francis Ward), and that the other Frank Ward who wrote "The Dark Corner" appears to have written mysteries but not SF, fantasy or speculative fiction, I am assuming that I need to delete "The Dark Corner" story from ISFDB. I further assume this is done by the "Delete this title" button.<br />
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Please confirm, or let me know what is needed.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:There's an issue with one of Ward's titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?914168, the Fantasy Book Index, https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+pegasus+suit%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221983%22, says "Pegasus", there's a contents page scan on AbeBooks, https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Fantasy-Book-February-1982-Third-Issue/30051987897/bd, which probably says the same although it's blurry, only way to be sure is looking at the story's title page which would require a copy of the zine, you may want to ask him if he owns it so he can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I'm not quite clear what the issue is. When I looked at any of the 3 copies of the "An Index to Fantasy Book, Volume 1", at Internet Archive, they all note "The Pegasus Suit". Thanks for the clarification.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:57, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for checking with the author! I have disambiguated the author name -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370798 the result here] -- and updated the title record.<br />
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::: As to whether we want to remove [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2550138 "The Dark Corner"] from the database, it depends on a couple of different factors. The story appeared in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569570 anthology ''Bodies and Souls'']. Its dust jacket says "Fourteen Tales of Worldly and Other-Worldly Murder, Mayhem and Mystery", which suggests that it collects both SF and non-SF stories. We currently list one of the stories, "Too Many Coincidences", as "non-genre" while the rest are listed as SF. It's entirely possible that some of them are non-genre; we just don't know one way or the other. Once we know more about these stories, we can decide what to do with the anthology. Since it apparently contains at least some SF stories, we will want to keep the publication record, but if the overwhelming majority of the stories are non-genre, we may end up removing them and documenting them in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::My thanks for handling this. I appreciate and concur with the thinking, and I'll try to retain that for the future. Mr. Ward is pleased this has been revised.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: ISFDB says "Pegusus" which is obviously a misspelling of "Pegasus" but a look at the header on the story's title page is what's needed because it's entirely possible, as so often in zines, that titles differ from what's on the contents page. Searching for "Pegusus Suit" online finds only ISFDB and a couple of booksellers that obviously copied their info directly from ISFDB so it's likely just a simple mistake by whoever entered the contents here. You said you spoke to him via email so maybe you can ask him if he owns that issue of Fantasy Book to check and if it's wrong it will be fixed to "Pegasus". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I have reached out to Frank Ward on this question. I'll circle back when I know, and then correct the title if needed. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I have confirmed with Frank Ward by check of his copy of the 1982 Fantasy Book that "Pegasus" is the correct spelling. He thanks us for making the correction. I will submit that now. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Bodies and Souls is linked at Archive.org in the notes section of its record here so the story can be read to determine if it's genre or not as can the other contents; also, it's much longer than the others in the book and should probably be given novelette length. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::I checked at Galactic Central. They believe this story ("The Dark Corner") is a novella. I will make that change.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts II==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg&wpUploadDescription=%7B%7BCID1%0A%7CTitle%3DA%20Muster%20of%20Ghosts%0A%7CEdition%3DCecil%20Palmer%201924%20hc%0A%7CPub%3DMSTRFGHSTS1924%0A%7CPublisher%3DCecil%20Palmer%0A%7CArtist%3DUnknown%0A%7CSource%3DScanned%20by%20%5B%5BUser%3AUsername%5D%5D%7D%7D]; I was going to upload SFE image but it seemed familiar and it turned out I'd done it already but the image didn't go to the right place; also this old edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959, has been sitting there for months because without an image the signature couldn't be seen. So can someone get the image fixed and approve the cover artist edit? EDIT: After I entered this message it didn't go to the right place because I'd already written about it, with the same message title, long ago but nobody ever answered; it's up above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The image has been added to the pub & your edit approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:06, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MP3 CD price on Amazon note ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that Amazon is now typically showing the as new price for MP3 CDs whose publisher is "Audible Studios on Brilliance Audio" as $10.02. The list price for these CDs as reported on brilliancepublishing.com is almost always $9.99. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:23, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon ==<br />
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I've noticed that Amazon.com is used frequently to verify a publication date. I just wanted to point out that it's an unreliable source, because any time they don't know the exact date, they use the first of the month.<br />
For example, the publication date of this book: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?535016 is listed as 2008-11-01, but the data is from Amazon, so I don't know if that's the accurate date, or they just used the first of the month because they didn't know any better. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Clauditorium|Clauditorium]] ([[User talk:Clauditorium|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Clauditorium|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: The quality of Amazon's records varies a great deal. It's not always clear why the bad data is the way it is, but we can make educated guesses, at least in certain cases. For example, Amazon occasionally -- I would say around 5-10% of the time -- lists unrealistically low (14-32) page counts for English e-book editions of Japanese "light novels". It seems to be related to the fact that some light novels have short (4-20 pages) manga sections at the beginning of the book. We don't know why it affects Amazon's page counts, but it's something that editors have to keep in mind when entering light novel records using Amazon's data.<br />
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: Re: dates, it depends on how old the record is, where the book was originally published and the publisher. For older books, some records have no day/month information, some add arbitrary "-01" or "-01-01" to the end of the month or year, and some have surprisingly accurate dates even for books published in the 1960s/1970s. Our best guess is that "surprisingly accurate dates" come from publishers' catalogs that Amazon has/had access to.<br />
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: Amazon.com's records for books published in other countries frequently list the "US availability" date as the publication date. There can be a big gap between these two types of dates for books originally published in the UK and especially in Australia/New Zealand, which is why Amazon's dates for these types of books are often wrong.<br />
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: Also, a note on the terminology. We use Amazon stores -- Amazon.com, Amazon UK, Amazon DE, etc -- as ''sources'' of our data, but we don's use it for ''verification''. We have a number of recognized "secondary verification" sources which you can see if you display a publication record and click on "Verify This Pub" link under "Editing Tools", then scroll down to "Secondary Verifications". Like everything else in this world, these verification sources are not perfect, but their data is, on average, better than Amazon's.<br />
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: Ultimately, the ISFDB data is only as good as our sources. Even primary verified data can be imperfect due to data entry errors and misunderstandings. That's why it's so important to document exactly where our data comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== US Copyright Office website ==<br />
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Do you guys ever use the US Copyright Office website? I would think that would be the most reliable source. It often has publication dates down to the day, whereas other sources only have them down to the month.<br />
https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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: We use a variety of secondary sources to determine publication dates as discussed in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources this Help section]. The Copyright Catalog can be (and have been) used as a secondary source of information as long as we keep in mind that their "Date of Publication" values and "Registration date" values are often different, so we need to make sure to use their "Date of Publication" values.<br />
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: Another thing to keep in mind is what [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] calls "Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality":<br />
:* Publication date does not always perfectly match the calendar date. For example, a January issue of a magazine is usually available in December of the previous year, and often earlier than that. Books with a January publication date may often be bought in the closing weeks of the prior year; they will show the later year's copyright date, even though that year has not yet started. In these cases, the convention is to use the official publication date rather than to try to identify when a book actually first became available. If there is a large discrepancy -- for example if a book was printed but unexpectedly delayed before release -- then this can be noted in the notes field.<br />
: [https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=26&ti=1,26&SEQ=20231120164838&Search%5FArg=crichton%20michael&Search%5FCode=NALL&CNT=25&PID=hderjMf9JaGhuG3tox2UMY1nLcK_&SID=1 This Copyright Catalog record for the first edition of ''Disclosure'', a non-genre novel] by {{A|Michael Crichton}}, is a good example. The "Date of Publication" value is "1993-12-20", but the publication date stated in the physical book is "January 1994". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:02, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: When it comes to magazines, I'm aware of the disconnect between publication date listed on the copyright site and the date printed on the magazine cover. {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Back when mass market paperbacks took off in the United States, their publishers piggybacked on pre-existing distribution channels and inherited some of the peculiarities of the magazine distribution system. They also had to deal with numerous technical limitations of the printing business as it existed ca. 1950. For example, you could order a paperback with 96 pages or a paperback with 128 pages, but anything in between wasn't viable because of the way mass market paperbacks paperbacks were produced. Sometimes authors and/or editors were able to cut or pad stories to make everything work seamlessly. Other times typesetters had to add empty pages or use other tricks to pad the page count.<br />
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::: We see similar issues surface even in 2023. Amazon's page count values are often off because publishers create pre-publication records based on estimates. When books are produced, the actual page count is usually different. Not all Amazon records are updated post-publication, so we always take what's there with a grain of salt. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:10, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As for novels, I've noticed that in several cases, the date listed by isfdb.org is missing the day, but the copyright site will have this info. For example, Misery by Stephen King is listed here as being published on 1987-06-00; on the copyright site, the publication date is indicated as 1987-06-08 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1513). If I come across such occurrences, should I make a correction, crediting the copyright site? {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Sorry, I didn't quote the most applicable part of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Date]] earlier. Here is the relevant section:<br />
:::* The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See Secondary Sources of Dates.<br />
::: So the answer is yes, editors can make the date more precise as long as it is "otherwise consistent with publication's stated date" and the source is documented in Notes. If there is a discrepancy -- as in the case of {{A|Michael Crichton}}'s ''Disclosure'' (see above) which was offered for sale in late December 1993 but the printed publication date says "January 1994" -- then we use the printed date and optionally document what secondary sources like the Copyright Office or Amazon say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:24, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Captured By the Engines ==<br />
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Can someone approve my submission 5819033? Because I need to add month to merged art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications" on the New Submissions page ==<br />
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A new table, "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications", has been added to the New Submissions page. It will appear at the top of the page if any pending submissions affect the logged-in moderator's primary verifications. If you run into any issues, please report them here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:27, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Can Ellen Be Saved ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291669; I just uploaded new cover but it didn't go to the same Wiki page and replace old cover, it just created a new page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I added the new one to the pub and deleted the old one after verifying it was not used in any other pubs. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One New Message ==<br />
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"The following Contents titles have dates after the proposed publication date"; I got this message after submitting an edit for Tor ed. of G. Masterton's Mirror because month was April, not May, and cover art needed fixing in another edit. Is this new? I don't remember seeing that before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This warning was [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#New_yellow_warning_when_a_changed_Publication_date_is_before_one_of_the_Title_dates implemented on July 31] as per {{FR|1569}}, "Add a warning when a changed pub date is before one of the title dates". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:08, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Server issue? ==<br />
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Is there a server problem? I'm getting a 500 Internal Server Error message when trying to submit a Clone Publication. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:26, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Nevermind. I opened a new Clone the Pub tab and was able to submit the request successfully. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Log In ==<br />
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Why am I not logged in? Is there some new problem now? I see Username when I'm on the Wiki pages but the front page says "You are not logged in". EDIT: I got tired of waiting so I entered "Username" and "password" and that worked but a message popped up saying password was used in a data breach on Google or something like that. I don't know what's going on. Maybe someone can tell me if anyone else got that message or got logged out for no reason. I sincerely hope all of my info and edits and everything else that was there before I re-logged in is still exactly the same and nothing was changed/lost. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Old Edits ==<br />
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I'm trying to get my edits that have been sitting for months approved. I'll start with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747517, which is just a simple change from a dead Google Drive link to one that works. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747546; Just a simple cover image, Rudam said long ago in the thread "Rejected?" on his board that there's no need to ask about covers except for a couple of specific publishers. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749772; Just an archived link and an obvious format fix. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Changing the format is a major change and should not be approved unless the active verifiers have agreed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750346; Just an archived link and an obvious fix of LCCN in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::The active verifier has asked that he be contacted through the email system about changes. No indication in the edit that this was done, or what the response was. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750954; Just a simple LCCN ID and cleanup of several misspellings in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Moderator note only states "cleaned up sloppy note" without specifying what was changed. Best to notify the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757566; Just a simple note about the cover; it's on this page, https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/3786/fred-pickersgill-graves-give. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::This one is more of a judgement call. Personally I think it's too much information that is not germane to the publication. What does the soundtrack artist have to do with the book? I could have lived with something along the lines of "Cover is from the filmed version of 'The Female of the Species'". However, other moderators may differ. At a minimum, if we're going to go into this much detail, it should probably go below a <nowiki>{{BREAK}}</nowiki> tag. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved by JLaTondre. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Science ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5824080; I did add the archived link and the cover image but I didn't touch those reg. title art and story things so does anyone know why it says I did? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: It is a kinda known issue with the software when titles contains special characters, especially older titles added before some of the latest changes in handling these from the last years (in this case it is the <nowiki><</nowiki> that is throwing the fit. Because of that, the comparison for changes detects a change - even if there is none). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:56, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title change with no PVs ==<br />
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I was getting ready to add the audiobook and CD editions to Steven Erikson's novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424072 Rejoice] but noticed that the correct title name should be <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i> instead of just <i>Rejoice</i>. I looked at WorldCat, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, SFE, and Wikipedia, and in all cases except SFE, that is shown as the correct title. Would there be any objection to me changing the title to <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i>? None of the publications have a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:17, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The publisher also refers to it as 'Rejoice, A Knife to the Heart', [https://www.promontorypress.com/books/rejoice-a-knife-to-the-heart/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SF Adventures Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827099; I can never remember which changes to names affect what, so if someone can approve this assuming artist change won't mess anything up with info on his page or whatever. Also, both PV are long-gone so someone may want to check and see if there are any little details that I missed which need correcting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looks good, submission approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:01, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Liam Hogan versus Laim Hogan ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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In working to add the story "Ana" by Liam Hogan in "The Best of British Science Fiction 2016", I need to add it's first publication in Scientific American, as noted in the "Best of British Science Fiction" copyright page and else on the internet at Scientific American.<br />
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I checked the author's name. There is no "Liam Hogan" currently in ISFDB, but there is a "Laim Hogan", the author of the 2019 short fiction "XX". "XX" is listed as published in "Best Indie Speculative Fiction: Volume Two, November 2019". Upon looking at that "Best Indie..." on Amazon, the preview shows "Liam Hogan" on both the cover and table of contents.<br />
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Upon checking further, the website https://happyendingnotguaranteed.blogspot.com/p/2014.html for Liam Hogan notes both "XX" and "Ana" as his stories.<br />
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Therefore, I would appreciate it if a moderator could correct this author's name in ISFDB to "Liam" Hogan. Once that is done, I'll add "Ana" in the Scientific American webzine.<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:46, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: We do have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?180891 Liam Hogan] so I cannot rename [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?336607 Laim Hogan]. Same guy I think? If so, the fastest solution is to just fix the author on the stray story. If not, I will be happy to differentiate them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:52, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for fixing the author entry. Looks correct now. I'll go ahead and add the first publication for "Ana" now. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dave888|contribs]]) .</small> 14:03, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A SHORTFICTION title incorporated into the body of a NONFICTION title ==<br />
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I am holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823707 this submission], which would import {{A|Howard Koch}}'s SHORTFICTION title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982024 The Invasion from Mars: A Radio Adaptation] into the 2009 NONFICTION book [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765971 Waging The War of the Worlds: A History of the 1938 Radio Broadcast and Resulting Panic, Including the Original Script]. As the title of the NONFICTION book states, the text includes Koch's script, so normally it would make sense to approve the submission. However, the Notes field explains that:<br />
* Howard Koch's radio script is incorporated into the body of the book's main text, rather than being a separate essay.<br />
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Would you say that it makes sense to list the SHORTFICTION title as a Contents items in this pub? Or is it better presented as a part of the NONFICTION title? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:44, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My five cents: I'd say it makes sense if the piece is incorporated as a whole and without interruptions (of explaining notes). In the latter case the piece may only serve as a means to comment on Koch's unique handling (or something similar). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:25, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::If it's contained in its entirety and its content appears in proper order (whether or not contiguously), I am inclined to allow it. Technically, the work is published in the book. If it's not contiguous, the situation strikes me as similar to publications of "braided" stories. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:49, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks, folks. I have approved the submission, notified the inactive primary verifier and updated Notes to clarify the situation. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Entries disappeared ==<br />
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At least four of my entries from the last few weeks have disappeared from the database. I looked for the new publication series page, Gruselkabinett, as I was going to add more, and it and the four books I entered in it are gone. They're audio books: <i>Der Bluthund</i> by H.P. Lovecraft, <i>Die Weiden</i> and <i>Das unbewohnte Haus</i> by Algernon Blackwood, and <i>Die Toten sind unersättlich</i> by Leopold Sacher-Masoch. Even a new author entry they generated has vanished, the artist on two of the titles, Johannes Belach. I have no idea if more of my entries have disappeared. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 12:24, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking submission history (a moderator-only menu option), I see the following:<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981382 Publication ID 981382, ''Der Bluthund''], created on 2023-12-02 16:30:43. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:08:08. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981093 Publication ID 981093, ''Die Weiden''], created on 2023-11-30 18:58:05. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:37. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981433 Publication ID 981433, ''Das unbewohnte Haus''], created on 2023-12-02 20:36:31. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:13. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* I can't find an audio book version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3248968 Die Toten sind unersättlich] using moderator tools. I could presumably do it using programmer tools, but it would take time.<br />
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: I assume that Stonecreek deleted the 3 pubs listed above as per [[ISFDB:Policy]], which says:<br />
:* '''Included''': audio books, i.e. readings, but not dramatizations<br />
: I'll ask Stonecreek to join this discussion. We'll need to make sure that we are all on the same page or else we'll be stuck in an endless cycle of some editors adding certain books and other editors deleting them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:01, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, I deleted them on the basis of the rule that dramatizations are not to be included. I stumbled over the entry for "Die Weiden" upon reading a review at 'phantastiknews.de' of the play, and found that the other entries for publications fell into the same category. (A good rule of thumbs for a first check is if there are more than one speakers for a piece, it is most likely that it is a dramatization). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. In the future, when you come across publication records for ineligible works (like dramatizations), please use Edit History to identify the original submitter(s) and discuss the issue with them first. That way they will be made aware of what is and is not eligible for inclusion and won't make the same type of mistake in the future. Without an explanation, they'll be either confused and frustrated when the data that they previously submitted disappears or they will continue adding ineligible records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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I should leave it at that, since Ahasuerus was a lot more measured than I could be right now over the situation. -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In the past, we didn't have Edit History, so it was hard to tell who did what when. Now that it's been available for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development/Archive/2021 almost three years], it should be the default tool used to figure out why something appears to be off and whether a discussion is warranted.<br />
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: That said, old habits die hard. I still occasionally catch myself making a change, then realizing that I should have checked Edit History first. Hopefully, things will improve going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: My name was right there in the WorldCat verification on all four of those entries. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 21:34, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: My apologies: I stiil have to adapt to making a direct notification: as with this case I came upon this while doing research for another author at the news site, and carried on with this other task after that to get it done in that specific setting. <br />
::: And I didn't recall that the note left in the moderator's field wouldn't be easy to find. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::: (I'd love to add some really good audio plays to the database, but they ''are'' excluded, just like the ones you had added). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series Parent Position and Series Num fields ==<br />
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"Series Num" can have numbering that are not integers (e.g., 2.1, 2.2, etc.), but apparently the "Series Parent Position" field when editing series can only be integers. Can we change the field to allow non-integer numbering? This would allow subseries to be placed in the correct location with a larger series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:40, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This functionality was requested in {{FR|1403}}, "Allow decimal numbers as Series Parent Position values". Unfortunately, it is much harder to implement than it looks. The way the "Series Number" field works for title records is rather involved; back when I implemented it, it took me weeks to get everything updated and debugged. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds good. I'm glad it's on the list. Thanks for all your work on the backend of things. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic information for Strange Tales ==<br />
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For the UK magazine Strange Tales edited by Walter Gillings I believe that the noted second printing of the first issue is just a variant cover. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?618191<br />
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In George Locke's Spectrum of Fantasy, volume 1, page 3 he states as such. His examination of the two copies he had was that they were identical with the exception of two different covers. I would find it hard to believe that an attempt of a new publication which was dodging the fact it was a magazine would go into two printings, as there were still paper shortages after the War. The price on both covers is the same, one shilling net on one cover 1/- on the other. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jwkbooks|Jwkbooks]] ([[User talk:Jwkbooks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jwkbooks|contribs]]) .</small> 17:12, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Long time for approval? ==<br />
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Is it unusual if my relatively minor edits take two weeks or more to be approved? Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 22:38, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Typically, it wouldn't take that long, but unfortunately, the "New Submissions" queue has been very long recently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:51, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 00:17, 28 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Missing Clone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5832571; What happened to the clone? It's not there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The submission failed because one of the titles in the cloned publication, 2439970 (Intelligence and Luck), is no longer present. It appears that the title was merged in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816680 this edit] which was submitted on November 21st and approved on December 12. I'm guessing that your clone submission was submitted within that time frame. When the merge was done, the other title record was the one that was kept, and 2439970 was deleted. You should be able to re-clone the container title and pick up the current contents including the merged title of that story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:11, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art weirdness ==<br />
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So browsing (as you do). I came across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1379001 this] cover art entry which seems, to my eye at least, an identical piece to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139158 this one]. Any comments ?--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:40, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:To my eye, these look identical. We would have to research the Maria Carella credit for the French ones. Likely Herve put on one and then carried that over into the other by cloning. The Tim Jacobus credit on the ''Doomsday Book'' covers seems clear (from copyright statement on hardcover's jacket flap). My first guess would be a misinterpretation of some sort of general artist credit on ''Le grand livre'' as referring to the cover instead of to interior artwork. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:42, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) These are definitely based on the same cover art. The question then is whether the cover artist was really credited as "Maria Carella" in this J'ai Lu edition or whether it's a data entry error in our database. Checking Google, I see that J'ai Lu has used at least two other covers -- https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjbJRjGrF4EtBXromnm4E-mn-bwNjmriUiD9y_zEqCWxOsPAdQkITLtQ-6VzOAKbgq3b4&usqp=CAU and m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61mHPaZVmdL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg -- and it's possible that one of them was done by Maria Carella. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:49, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I did more research and found some pictures. In the original Bantam edition, the copyright page has "Book design by Maria Carella" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_37245aad-355d-4ecf-981b-2939ddd31921_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]) and the rear flap says "Cover illustration &copy; 1992 by Tim Jacobus" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_7be69af1-7c70-4430-86da-f306440e8119_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]). So I think the book design credit got conflated with cover artistry, either by J'ai Lu or someone else (if Herve did not have the books, his source might have been NooSFere, which credits the cover to Carella). Unless anyone disagrees, I will change the credit on the French ones and document the discrepancy with French secondary sources and probable source of the confusion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Nice! I also wonder if {{A|Maria Carella}} was the cover artist or the cover designer for the first (1988) edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354512 Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology]. Our source is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t203.htm#A12107 the Locus Index], which simply says "cover by Maria Carella". <del>For what it's worth, the Internet Archive has the [https://archive.org/details/visionsofwonders0000unse/page/n5/mode/2up 1996 edition, which has a different cover, on file] and its copyright page says "Design by Lynn Newark"</del> -- '''never mind, it turns out that "Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1988) and "Visions of Wonder: the Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1996) are completely different'''. Even if we keep Maria Carella as the cover artist, we will want to change her working language from French to English. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:41, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=maria+carella; She's mentioned in 16 notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I made these adjustments: Maria Carella language to English. ''Le grand livre'' cover credit to Jacobus (+ variant to ''Doomsday Book'' cover). Added note to French cover and to the first of the French pubs about secondary sources crediting Carella but her being credited as book designer (and Jacobus as cover illustrator) in original Bantam edition. Added note to Bantam hc about the book design credit. I found some pictures of portions of the interior of that anthology, but they did not include the copyright or credits pages, so I couldn't conclude anything about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:28, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Data entered exactly as on books [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/74/Grand_livre.jpg 1994 on top, 1995 below, "illustration" having the same meaning in both langages, "de" meaning "by"].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] ([[User talk:Hauck|talk]]) 05:26, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Well, that is quite clear, too, then. Then I guess we should have a "Maria Carella (in error)" as an alternate name then, with the above explanation, and the cover art with that credit as the variant. And no direct credit to Jacobus in the J'ai Lu editions. Does that sound correct to everyone? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:28, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::Sounds good to me. I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10617 Bantam 1st ed hc] and have checked it against the above discussion and concur. The book also states "Jacket design by Jamie S. Warren Youll" on rear flap which reinforces the statement that Maria Carella was only involved in the book design, not the cover. I have PVd the pub record and submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847617 this edit] to add extra info and change the source of all the data to the actual book. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:34, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::::Happy New Year, everyone. I have made the further adjustments I proposed above, and I accepted the changes to the Bantam edition. Please correct -- or let me know about -- anything that still is not as it should be. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:08, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New translations of Ursula K. Le Guin's Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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A few days ago I posted 2 records for a 1981 and a 2002 edition of ''Pimeduse ahem käsi''. the Estonian translation of ''The Left Hand of Darkness'', and 2 images for their respective book covers. I realize it's the holiday season and that there's a backlog... I have a Bulgarian translation as well and I'd like to upload that, though I worry that I'm not doing it right. Also if there are any editors or moderators here with a particular interest in Le Guin I'd like to make your acquaintance. Cheers, [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 14:45, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Hello and a happy new year, Evertype! I do think that I do fall into the category, as Le Guin is in the top three of my favourite authors. I have to admit that most of the copies I own contain German translations (and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar Jens]' German collection seems to be even more complete, but nowadays he isn't so often around). I know there are lots of translations of her work missing (with Dutch, French & German seemingly well-covered). If you have any questions that you think I might be able to help in, just ping me on my talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:16, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== External ID: PPN ==<br />
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It seems that the Dutch National Library has changed its www address. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs Here] it is "picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/" but doesn't work any more. The new one seems to be "picarta.oclc.org/psi/xslt/DB=3.9". Please have a look on that. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 13:35, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: The "PPN" template has been updated as well. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:48, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Charles Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873365; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873368; Can I get these 2 edits approved? I was going to add the other book by the author mentioned in the F&SF essay but online photo says Charles Williams on title page; checking further revealed that it's the same for Rolling Pin. There's already a famous novelist of that name and an artist on ISFDB so what do you think this guy should be known as, maybe (I)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pages of deceased users ==<br />
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Would it be helpful or useful to block the user pages and talk pages of deceased users, so no edits or submissions can be made any more? Ahasuerus told me these pages viewed as something like memorials, so they should be left untouched. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:40, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Generally, we put the [[:Template:Deceased user|Deceased user]] template at the top of their pages so people know not to post comments or questions there. So far, I haven't seen a huge problem with simply leaving them as they are. If problems do occur, we can always lock the pages so only admins can edit them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:49, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Locking the Talk pages will cause confusion to newer editors who are directed to post on the PV's pages and if the first few they hit are ones of the ones we had lost - asking them to post there while they cannot will either make them never post anywhere or just get frustrated. Plus the pages that we want to preserve are the User pages, not the Talk pages. I'd argue that User pages should be locked for Admin and the user they belong to at all times but that will make life harder and we do not have too many issues so I never raised that up as a proposal. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I was only suggesting locking the pages if we ran into problems where someone was editing them maliciously and we needed a way to stop it. Pages can be locked from editing for a brief period of time, too, which is generally the only kind of locking that's needed. Only in extreme cases would a page need to be locked for more than a week or so. I do like the idea of locking the user page of deceased editors, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: We are in agreement -- I was just mentioning that locking the Talk pages is going to cause other possible issues downstream (unlike User pages which can be safely locked without side effects). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:07, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Add link at the bottom of "Author Merge Update" ==<br />
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After two or more authors are merged, can we please add a link to the resulting record on the confirmation page (post approval). Now you need to either keep a record open or look for it again once the merge completes. (the script in question is cgi-bin/mod/aa_merge.cgi). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:29, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: {{FR|1591}} has been created and implemented. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Now, that's quick fix - less than an hour between reporting and getting it live on the server ;) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Safari ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?648417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884004; PV used wrong cover so I uploaded right one from recent archived copy but they also added wrong uploaded wraparound image in the notes. Can someone approve my edit and then move the note over to the other edition? The record number doesn't make a difference to where the image points, I assume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: The note has been moved to the correct publication. Is the interior art the same for both publications? If so, merge the two tile records. If not, we need a note on each and a do not merge warning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:33, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shattered Lens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892580; After checking further it turns out the correct title I fixed "Tears" to was used for the story's reprint in a magazine a few years later. After approval will the titles merge on their own or will it need to be done manually? If manual, can someone approve this so I can merge before I forget? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Approved. You need to merge them. Submit and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:13, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::All done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:19, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX; It won't make much difference to my PV because I only have about 50 but I can foresee trouble with others if he starts adding Roman where they don't belong. This is a common problem with other editors, too, where they add Roman even though the numbering goes straight from Roman to non-Roman. A LOT of DAW Books, for example, have unnecessary numbers entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:From the help, bullet point 2 under [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Pages]:<br />
:* "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers for introductory material, followed by Arabic numerals for the main text of the book, enter both sets of numbers. For example, a book with a page count field of "viii+320" has "viii" as the highest numbered page with a Roman numeral. (Note that there are no spaces in the page count.) Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored. Note that you should include the enumeration of the pages in Roman numerals even if there is no material that requires a separate content record (such as an introduction or preface) in those pages. This is in contrast with the situation with unnumbered pages prior to page 1; see the following bullet point for what to do in that case."<br />
:[https://www.ebay.com/itm/296164887458 This ebay.com listing] shows Roman numerals as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897763 this submission] suggests. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::If I understand that correctly then I disagree and you can find many instances on the boards here where mods tell editors to enter Roman only if the book doesn't continue the numbering straight into the Arabic. That's the way I enter Roman (except possibly for my early edits where I wasn't sure what I was doing) and so do many others. This has led to a lot of confusion. For example, this record's notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629077, mention this situation and only Arabic were entered while the notes here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979406, are similar but both Roman and Arabic were entered. I'm sure there are countless other examples. So nobody seems sure what the right way to do it is but if one has really been decided on then that would entail fixing thousands and thousands of records where they were entered the other way. That would be a huge task. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::For my own understanding's sake: The situation being discussed here is a contiguous set of pages, ending on Arabic-numeral'ed '''''366''''', but where the first fourteen pages are Roman-numeral'ed '''''i - xiv''''' and the remaining three hundred fifty-two are Arabic-numeral'ed '''''15 - 366'''''? If that is the case, I don't think the help covers this scenario. While the second bullet does seem to call for entering the highest Roman numeral plus the highest Arabic numeral, the third bullet also talks about counting backwards from the first "numbered page to see which is page 1". That would technically mean page i is also page 1, and there is no introductory material before page 1. The second bullet seems to assume the numbering of the pages for introductory material does not overlap the numbering of the pages for the main text, which is not the case here. Recording xiv+366 would record the numbering accurately but would completely distort the page count, which is that the Pages field is all about. I would record this as Pages = 366 with a note that the main text starts on p. 15 and the pages prior to that are numbered i - xiv, just as I would record it with Pages = 366 and a note that the text starts on numbered p. 15 if there were no numbered pages before it with any relevant content. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:32, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::Ah. Pages. My favourite subject. :-)<br />
::::I agree that the Help Notes do not cover this scenario adequately. I doubt the scenario was considered when the Notes were written. Consequently, past editors have just done what they think best at the time. As Username correctly states, no matter what we decide here, there is a legacy problem of all the existing inconsistent records which will be almost impossible to reconcile. I also agree that an explanatory pub note in this situation should be mandatory.<br />
::::However, that is where my "agreements" end. In this example, Pages should be recorded as xiv+366. Under the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Help for Pages], the bullet point starting "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers" unambiguously states that both Roman and Arabic Numerals should be entered. The following bullet point, starting "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1" is not applicable to this scenario because there are no unnumbered pages before page 1.<br />
::::Although xiv+366 does distort the page count, this argument does not hold water because it is existing ISFDb policy that we do distort the page count. See this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book#Some_examples_about_page_count_accuracy How To] under the bullet point starting "Approximation:"<br />
::::Another feature I like about using xiv+366 occurs in the situation where there is recordable content in the Roman Numeral pages. Suppose there is a map on page vi. Then vi would be entered as the start page of the map in the Contents section. It would look really illogical and inconsistent if the Pages field for the publication merely contained 366. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:08, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::This discussion has stalled. There have been no comments for more than three weeks and there is no consensus. The current tally is 2 (Scifibones, Teallach) in favour of specifying Pages as Roman+Arabic (xiv+366 in this example) versus 2 (MartyD, Username) in favour of specifying Pages as just Arabic (366 in this example). This issue was initiated by Faustus [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX here] but he appears to be abstaining.<br />
:::::Does anyone else have an opinion on this subject so that we can establish a consensus and form a rule?<br />
:::::There is an alternative option which is to deliberately not have a rule at all and just leave the specification of Pages in this situation at the discretion of the first PVer of the publication. This is not my preferred solution but I have some sympathy with this approach. If we establish a rule then, whichever way it goes, there will be a legacy issue. It will result in potentially thousands of historic records that were created "wrongly" and which cannot be systematically detected or corrected. However, if we just live with the inconsistency then there is no legacy issue. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:44, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::I agree with Scifibones and Teallach that the page count should be xiv+366 along with a note indicating that there is a switch from Roman to Arabic numbers with the last Roman number as "--" and the first Arabic number as "nn". I doubt that there are really a huge number of historic records that fit this exact edge case - but of course I could be guessing wrong. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:29, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Sorry, I haven't changed my opinion, but one other note: There is a sort of precedent in the Magazine page numbering bullet, where if the page numbering is continuous across issues, the printed page numbers are relegated to the notes and the actual page count is used in Pages. Granted, it is not the identical situation, but the spirit of the example is not to have Pages = 384 where the pub has only 192 pages. 380 vs. 366 is not so extreme, but to me 380 is still misleading. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:37, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Pandemic ==<br />
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Since the CDC officially ended its Covid-19 declaration in May of 2023 the note on our front page about forthcoming books possibly being delayed by the pandemic should be removed. Any delays now are due to other reasons. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hound Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5909601; Can someone approve this if they agree all my additions/changes are correct? Whoever entered author info spelled legal first name wrong so it needs fixing and I'm not sure if the info will be there with the name change per book's title page or if a mod has to do it from the author's record or something or other. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:03, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Done. I moved the info from the old author record to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?376213 new record], correcting that spelling error. I also fixed the review to refer to the M.-less name, so the old record went away due to no further references. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:48, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== George W. Barlow ==<br />
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Bonjour, je vous contacte pour l'article concernant mon père George W. Barlow<br />
Il y a quelques corrections et compléments qu'il voudrait apporter :<br />
Concernant sa biographie :<br />
il est né à Le Havre en Seine Maritime et non à Grenoble (où il vit)<br />
il a fréquenté l'Ecole Normale Supérieure de la rue d'Ulm et en est sorti Agrégé d'Anglais <br />
Vous trouverez ces données biographique en quatrième de couverture dans l'ouvrage que vous citez :<br />
La Science-Fiction (1987) (avec ANDREVON Jean-Pierre et GUIOT Denis)<br />
M.A. Editions, Le monde de... n° 39, 1987.<br />
Concernant sa bibliographie :<br />
-vous pouvez rajouter le roman « Antéros » publié en 2012 chez EONS collection Fantasy n°140<br />
et republié ensuite à compte d'auteur chez The BookEdition sous le titre « Antéros et chimères »<br />
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Je me tiens à votre disposition pour tout complément d'informations et vous saurais gré de me tenir informée de la suite que vous donnez à mon courrier.<br />
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Très cordialement.<br />
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Catherine Matheron/Barlow <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Catalpa|Catalpa]] ([[User talk:Catalpa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Catalpa|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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== Series ordering help ==<br />
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Hi all. I could use some help with [[User_talk:Piedro01#Mary_Stewart_Merlin_.2F_Arthurian_Saga_series_ordering|this discussion]] about ordering within one specific [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?12110 title series]. The publisher, and other sources, refer to each title's place relative to the others using the publication order. Our current series ordering reflects that. The editor feels rather strongly that the series ordering should instead reflect the internal chronology of the stories. I am afraid I may be biased, so I could use some other opinions (or even more definitive guidance, if I have misinterpreted something). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:33, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: I prefer publication order (except for some prequels that can go at 0 or novellas and stories that fall in between novels to get in their places)... We have it like that in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?689 Foundation] for example - with the two prequels at the end of the list even if they are chronologically first. If an editor insists on doing something else and they are willing to document and show sources where that other order is used and it is the common way the series is numbered online/in sources, I would consider it. But if the publisher and most other sources refer to the order in a different way, it just confuses things. As we cannot show two different sorting ways, editors are welcome to add Notes on the series page with the chronological order if they want... <br />
: In this case, I am with you - leave it at publication order, add a note for the chronological order - mainly because this is the order that people usually use outside of our DB. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:18, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::I agree with Annie, for the same reasons given by Annie. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:33, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::If current policy is not changed, there is no basis for rejecting [[User talk:Piedro01|Piedro01's]] two submissions. However, I also favor changing policy along the lines [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] spelled out. That's what I have always used, not realizing I could be outside policy. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: Out of curiosity - which policy do you think that the current order of that series (and Foundation) contradict and needs changing for them to be "in policy"? If you are saying that we technically do not have a policy and either way can be considered correct (so the submissions are approvable because of that), then the overall policy of ISFDB (we document what we see/find, we do not invent) is in favor of leaving them as they are based on almost all other sources using the current order. Plus I also favor "first editor decision stands within reason" in ambiguous situation because nothing prevents another editor from changing them back next week and that will also have to be approved if this one is approved if it does not contradict policy (with both being correct, that process can happen a lot of time). If I am misreading what you are saying, can you clarify? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:41, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::I do notice upon further review that the section of help cited goes on to say this: '''''Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error.''' Any series with this sort of ambiguity in internal ordering should have the sequence worked out on the Community Portal. This includes prequels, which can be listed first in the series, before the main entries; or listed after the main entries; ...'' So I suppose what ordering to use for this series should be brought up for debate on the Community Portal. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:51, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The first line of the applicable help clearly states a precedence for reading order. Look at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25203 Assiti Shards (1632)] series. Compare the current publication based order to the suggested reading order (1632.org link in series record). Remove the implied precedence from the help and I'm fine. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:13, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Reading order is not the same as chronological order though - I'd argue that for most series, including this one, publishing order is the reading order (mainly because of spoilers and what's not that tend to creep into later novels publishing-wise which are set earlier on a chronology). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:39, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) First, let me copy the relevant part of [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] here so that we would all be on the same page:<br />
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* '''Series Number''' - If you know the order in which the titles in the series are supposed to be read, you can number them starting with 1. You can use decimal numbers like 4.5 to place a title between the titles numbered 4 and 5. No Roman numerals (like I or IV) or letters (like "1a" or "A") are allowed. Please note that some series are very linear (e.g. Harry Potter) and it's easy to tell how to assign series number to individual entries. Other series can have multiple possible numbering schemes reflecting the series' publication order, internal chronological order, intended publication order, "author recommended" order, etc. Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error. Any series with this sort of ambiguity in internal ordering should have the sequence worked out on the Community Portal. This includes prequels, which can be listed first in the series, before the main entries; or listed after the main entries; or even split into a separate series which then becomes a subseries in a superseries comprising both the original series and the prequels.<br />
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When Scifibones wrote that "the first line of the applicable help clearly states a precedence for reading order" he presumably meant:<br />
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* If you know the order in which the titles in the series are supposed to be read, you can number them starting with 1.<br />
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That being said, as others have said, "reading order" can be ambiguous. One of the better known examples is {{A|Neal Asher}}'s Polity universe. The author's [https://www.nealasher.co.uk/where-do-i-start-updated/ Web page says]:<br />
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* The consensus of opinion I have gleaned from social media, is that you should start either right at the beginning with Prador Moon and then follow through chronologically, or you should read the first two series I wrote.<br />
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In this case even the author wasn't sure what the best reading order would be and had to consult his fans to come up with possible paths. This ambiguity is already addressed in the Help language above where it says that:<br />
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* series can have multiple possible numbering schemes reflecting the series' publication order, internal chronological order, intended publication order, "author recommended" order, etc. Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error.<br />
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So the first sentence of [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] privileges "reading order" compared to other possible numbering schemes, but the section quoted immediately above effectively takes it back. We should probably clarify Help, which will require a Rules and Standards discussion.<br />
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Also, this Help template doesn't inform editors that prequels can be entered either using "0.1", "0.5", etc or as separate sub-series.<br />
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For now, I would suggest a Community Portal discussion as per the Help section that Marty quoted. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:00, 13 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== H. P. Lovecraft Wordsearch ==<br />
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Does [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09MZ1DHY6?ref_=dbs_m_mng_rwt_calw_tpbk_0&storeType=ebooks&asin=B09MZ1DHY6&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1 H. P. Lovecraft Wordsearch: Eldritch Wordsearch Puzzles in the World of the Cthulhu mythos] belong on this site? If so, how would it be listed? Just a listing of the book without the content? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:04, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I would enter it as NONFICTION and add a Note to the effect that, in addition to the puzzles, it contains a brief Lovecraft biography and an (also brief) secondary bibliography. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:54, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I hope [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?963829 this] is correct. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:47, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You noted two pieces of bibliographical nonfiction, but there is only one (an introduction) listed in that publication. I don't see any pending submissions for it, either. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:34, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:33, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Creating a separate page (linked) out of a publication's notes? ==<br />
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I'm trying to find out how to add a link in an individual publication's Notes which leads to a Wiki page where I can record a lot (5 book pages-worth) of biblio data about the pub. I'm not finding anything obvious in the template Help pages ([https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Header_templates here] & [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PubHeader here]). If the answer's in the latter, I'm not seeing how to use it... Is it even possible? Advice please, Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:23, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Create the wiki page, then link it as you would link any other page outside of the server - in the Web Pages field. One warning though - we have a multi-year project going on migrating data out of the wiki and into the DB (so a lot of these templates are now obsolete and the code connecting and serving them had been removed from the server) - the archiving and backups of both of them are done differently so if there is a catastrophic failure, we may not be able to restore both. Plus the public site archives do NOT contain the wiki - just covers and the DB. If you still want to create the page though, go ahead -- no template needed - it is just a regular page you then can add to the Web Pages field :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Technically, the automatic link between old publication-specific Wiki comments and related publication records still exists, e.g. see the following line in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RLFTRPTPHR1994 ''Reel Future'']:<br />
::* '''Bibliographic Comments''': View Publication comment (RLFTRPTPHR1994) <br />
:: However, it is based on the pub's "publication tag" (RLFTRPTPHR1994), which is not to be confused with title-based tags like "horror". "Publication tags" are neither visible nor editable anymore. Going forward you will want to do what Annie suggested, i.e. enter any publication-specific Wiki pages that you may decide to create within the ISFDB Wiki in the pub's "Web pages" multi-field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:22, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Oh, right, the publication one is still active - I know a few got killed when most of the existing data was moved. The ID is visible if you start uploading a cover - that’s what is used for the cover file title - so while not editable, they can at least be found if one needs them. However, if a page is added that way, it will just pop up in the cleanup report and someone will need to move the link to the Web Pages anyway so we may as well skip the middle step. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:32, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great, Web page it is then. I'll see what I can do, many thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:57, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Convert an anthology to omnibus ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369095 This pub] and two others I will add are collected into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369153 this pub]. Since all three works were published separately first, should [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369153 this pub] be converted to an Omnibus. If so, I assume I remove all of the contents and then import the associated three pubs. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:55, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://archive.org/search?query=interlyth&sort=-addeddate; You're probably already aware but there's an archived copy available. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:46, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I added the link. I was surprised that only the omnibus was uploaded. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 14:57, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge container ==<br />
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I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3214045 Dr. Jekyll] as a chapbook and then realized it was a novel. I tried to convert the chapbook to a novel, but now I have a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3214045 new container novel]. I've been trying to merge this container with the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28194 actual variant]. So far I've failed to merge this. I was about to delete it all and start over, but I'm hoping someone can help me sort it out. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 19:39, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think if you remove {{T|3214045|this title}} from the publication and then either delete or merge it, you should be fine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:01, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That worked. Thanks! Not sure why I didn't try that. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 19:39, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pages ==<br />
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I have a book with an introduction on numbered pages Roman vii to xi. The novel starts on the first numbered page Arabic 1.<br />
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Between the two sections are 3 unnumbered pages, the 2nd of which contains a map which I want to include in the regular titles (the pages either side of it are blank). Advice please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:42, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Pages: xi+[3]+Arabic - Page number of the map is [2]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:06, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As I read [[Template:PubContentFields:Page|this help template]], the map would be on page xiii. For the overall pages field per [[Template:PublicationFields:Pages|this template]], I would add as xi+Arabic count. It specifically states that unnumbered pages between Roman and Arabic pages can be ignored, whereas the first template states that page numbers can be extrapolated for unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages. The only possible question is whether the page the map is on would still be considered to be within the range of the numbered pages. I would consider it so. Despite the fact that the numbering (Roman vs Arabic) changes, it's still an unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:22, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ron, thanks for the correction. Although a content title with a Roman numeral higher than that stated in the pages field seems odd. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:12, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Agreed that it's a little odd. But it's understandable within the context of the help pages. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:55, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::This problem doesn't occur for regular content page counts because blank page(s) beyond the last page are included in the page count. The first template also states that page numbers for unnumbered pages can be derived for Roman-numeraled pages. These points suggest that Pages: could be xii+Arabic and the map page number would be xii. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:24, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::In my opinion, John has supplied the correct and best answer to this case.<br />
::::::Ron refers to bullet point 2 of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages Template:PublicationFields:Pages] which states "Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored.". However, bullet point 3 states "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets.". Nowhere in this bullet point does it state that it does not apply if there are also Roman numeral pages in the pub. You could argue that the two bullet points are contradictory but, to be fair, this unusual case probably wasn't considered when these Help notes were written.<br />
::::::For me, the clincher is: What do you consider constitutes a range of pages? Ron considers that the map falls within one range of numbered pages. I think it falls between two separate ranges of numbered pages. It's not so much that the style of numbering changes (Roman to Arabic). It's more that the values of the page numbers in the first range (vii-xi translates to 7-9) is repeated in the second range (1-999 (or whatever)). To me, that's two ranges. Once you interpret it this way, John's answer makes sense, is not inconsistent with the Help notes and follows the same principles that are used for additional content on unnumbered pages at the end of a book. It also avoids the scenario of having a content title with a Roman numeral higher than that stated in the Pages field which I find very undesirable and confusing for a user.<br />
::::::Doug H's reply does not apply to the case that has been raised. Unnumbered pages beyond the last numbered page are only included in the page count if there is content that starts in the numbered pages and continues onwards into the unnumbered pages. If content that needs to be indexed starts after the last numbered page then its page numbers are denoted in square brackets. See bullet point 3 of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages Template:PublicationFields:Pages] and also the 4th of the 5 examples in this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book How To]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for the comments. John's answer was the one I arrived at before I posted the question. One can look at that value and derive straight away what the layout is. Teallach, I agree with every point you make - I couldn't have set it out better. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:30, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Aeon 14: Title and series issues ==<br />
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I need advice on how to handle a rather complex situation. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?246271 M. D. Cooper] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249808 James S. Aaron] have written 10 novels plus 2 omnibuses in the currently named "Sentience Wars" series (as documented on the [https://www.aeon14.com/series/sentience-wars Aeon14 website]). The novels 1-5 were originally published as part of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?49667 Sentience Wars: Origins] series but are now shown on the author's website as numbers 1-5 of the "Sentience Wars" series. The later four novels are simply shown as numbers 6-9 of the "Sentience Wars" series and have yet to be added to the DB. Two of the novels were originally part of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?51889 Legends of the Sentience Wars] series: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2443987 The Proteus Bridge] and "Vesta Burning" (which has yet to be added to the DB). However, the author's website now shows "The Proteus Bridge" as book 0 of the "Sentience Wars" series. "Vesta Burning" has been renamed "Lyssa's Light" and is shown as number 6 of the "Sentience Wars" series. To add to the complexity, "Vesta Burning" was published as an ebook and an audiobook plus was included in the omnibus "Lyssa's Fire - Sentience Wars Books 4-5 Omnibus: Includes Vesta Burning". The omnibus was later republished as "Lyssa's Fire: The Sentience Wars - Books 4-6 Omnibus Edition" with "Vesta Burning" replaced by "Lyssa's Light" as the third component title.<br />
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Issue 1: "Vesta Burning" / "Lyssa's Light". Should "Lyssa's Light" be considered a variant of "Vesta Burning" or is it a different publication that needs a note referring back to the original name? The Amazon Look-inside view of [https://www.amazon.com/Vesta-Burning-Assault-Mission-Sentience-ebook/dp/B07G4M7Z24/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=1-1 "Lyssa's Light"] has an editor's note at the beginning of the Foreword stating the rename and series change. The title page shows "Lyssa's Light: The Sentience Wars - Book 6". I'm leaning toward making these two separate titles with appropriate notes. Unfortunately, I can't find any information as to exactly when the rename occurred but suspect it was around the same time as "Lyssa's Fire: The Sentience Wars - Books 4-6 Omnibus Edition" was published in February 2019. Advice?<br />
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Issue 2: Series name/numbering. I would like to reorganize the series entries for these books as follows:<br />
<br> > Age of the Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >> 1 The Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >>> 1 Legends of the Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >>>> 1 The Proteus Bridge<br />
<br> >>>> 2 Vesta Burning<br />
<br> >>> 2 Sentience Wars (with a series note "Titles 1-5 were originally part of a discontinued series called 'Sentience Wars: Origins'" and a similar note on each of the title records.)<br />
<br> >>>> titles #1-9<br />
<br>Would this be acceptable?<br />
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Issue 3: Completely reorganize the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?44561 Aeon 14] series to match the author's series and subseries demarcations as shown on the [https://www.aeon14.com/aeon14-books Aeon 14 website]. I think the existing series structure is not particularly useful for a reader and this would be a better organization for this large volume of titles. The top level would remain Aeon 14 and the first level subseries would be:<br />
<br>1 Age of the Sentience Wars <br />
<br>2 Second Age of Colonization<br />
<br>3 Age of Terra<br />
<br>4 Age of the FTL Wars<br />
<br>5 Age of Reconstruction<br />
<br>6 Age of the Orion War<br />
<br>7 Age of the Ascension War<br />
<br>The existing subseries would be moved under the appropriate "Age" subseries and renumbered appropriately. Would this be acceptable?<br />
<br><br>Thanks [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:35, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The first question that comes to mind is "Were the texts changed when the series was reorganized by the author(s)?" If they were, then we could enter them as separate titles and put them in different series the way it was done with {{A|David Wingrove}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?32596 Chung Kuo Universe], which was split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1573 Chung Kuo (original)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30074 Chung Kuo (recasting)].<br />
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: If the texts were not changed, then all identical texts which use different titles should be linked using the variant title system. In the case of Issue 1, "Lyssa's Light" would become a variant of "Vesta Burning".<br />
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: Re: reorganizing the series structure, I don't have a preference. I remember entering some of these books, either manually or via Fixer, but I was just following what was on Amazon and/or on the author's Web page when assigning series numbers. [[User:Chris J]] also did a fair amount of work on the series, so he may be a good person to consult.<br />
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: Unfortunately, this is not an uncommon occurrence. As series grow, their authors and/or publishers occasionally decide that it would be useful to change their structure and/or the recommended reading order. Sometimes they even list entries inconsistently, e.g. a prequel may be listed either as "Book 0" or as "Book 0.5" or not given a number at all. All we can do is pick the numbers/structure that make the most sense and explain the rest in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:51, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: P.S. I should also mention that, as [[Help:Screen:EditSeries]] says:<br />
:* A series can have only one name, so if two or more names are equally well known (e.g. one name is used in the UK and another in Australia), the only option is to list them all in a slash delimited format, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1455 ''Moon Singer / Free Trader / Moon Magic'']<br />
: It doesn't help much when dealing with series reorganizations (as opposed to series renamings), but it's something to keep in mind. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== g. haron davis uses lower case for their name ==<br />
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Like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22680 e. e. cummings], the author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?361205 g. haron davis] uses all lower case for their name. They do so consistently on [https://www.harlequin.com/shop/authors/29388_g-haron-davis.html their Harlequin author page], [https://www.harpercollins.com/blogs/authors/g-haron-davis-20221285357600 their HarperCollins author page], and [https://www.ghdis.me/ their own website].<br />
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Is there a process for getting their canonical name fixed? — [[User:Sylvar|Sylvar]] ([[User talk:Sylvar|talk]]) 13:33, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have checked Amazon Inside's data for the anthology that we have on file and, sure enough, the author is credited as "g. haron davis". I have adjusted the canonical name.<br />
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: Re: the process, some high-impact actions -- like changing an author's canonical name -- are limited to moderators. If you come across similar cases, please request assistance on [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]]. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:31, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thread link missing ==<br />
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Whenever [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Hifrommike65 Mike] posts to talk pages, and it shows up on my watchlist, a link to his posted thread is missing. Have others noticed this and does anyone know why? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:43, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The link is missing because he is not using 'Add topic' to start a new thread. He is using 'Edit' (whole page) or 'Edit' the last thread and adding a new thread title at the bottom. Hopefully he will see this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John, I hope that solves it. :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:54, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry, I'll correct this error. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 18:46, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moving existing publication to different variant title ==<br />
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Is there a process for moving an existing publication record to an existing variant title? For example, publication {{P|339486}} is an English translation of Mikhail Bulgakov's {{T|1020614|Мастер и Маргарита}} translated by Michael Glenny (according to its record notes) but it is linked to the variant title {{T|10458}} for English translations by "an unknown or uncredited hand" when there is a variant title for Michael Glenny's translation {{T|2587871}}. I expect this process will come up a lot when cleaning up translation records. Thanks! -- [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 12:17, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:You have a choice of two methods, both require two submissions.<br />
:* Method One <br />
:: Click on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?10458 title record]. Select 'Unmerge Titles' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Check the box for the 1974 title record. Submit.<br />
:: After the submission is approved, merge the new title with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2587871 this one]. In the note to mod, indicate whether you will submit the merge or you rather the moderator go ahead and do it.<br />
:* Method Two<br />
:: Click on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?339486 publication record].<br />
:: Select 'Import Content' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Under option 2 enter '2587871' and submit. (This is the Glenny translation title record).<br />
:: Select 'Remove Titles From This Pub' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Select the old container title and submit (This removes the Unknown hands translation and makes Glenny translation the container title).<br />
: The advantage of method 2 is that both edits can be submitted together. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks! I've gone ahead and entered the submissions using Method Two for the example I shared. -- [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 13:33, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:35, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robosoldiers / 2nd printing? ==<br />
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I'm second guessing my cloning to create [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968246 Robosoldiers: Thank Your for Your Servos]. It occurred to me that I had preordered from Amazon, and it kicked on the release date given in the 1st printing record. However, it has a number line indicating a 2nd printing. Upon thought, it seems more likely that the number line is wrong, rather than it having two printings out on the release date. There is no PV for the 1st printing PB record. Perhaps adding the number line to the 1st printing record, and noting the purchase date? Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:41, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Hmmm, not being an expert, but what I think could have happened is that the tp edition is considered 1st printing, and the pb edition considered 2nd printing. If that's the case, the printing line isn't wrong per se (this happens a lot with Dutch publications by the way). Anyway, your proposal makes sense. Keep yours, update with publication date per Amazon as of 2023-04-27, add clarifying notes per your arguments above, and delete the non-PV'd record. If it so happens that there ever is a 1st printing pb edition uncovered, it can still be added. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:28, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I had suggested editing the original (non-PV'd) record, while you're suggesting deleting it. Does it make a difference? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:57, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Not really - only difference is that it would preserve your verification data when keeping your record. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Award Records - How to create new year ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I'd love to add the 2023 Sturgeon Awards to the appropriate stories, but I've been searching and I have no clue on how to add a new year for an Award, etc. I did see one online item for "Help:Screen:EditAward" but I was unable to figure out how to use it or get to the Award Editor.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:57, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Simply add an award record to a title and enter "2023" in the year when doing that. Once the award submission is approved, it will show the new year in the award listing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:15, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Assuming that the first issue is "...unable to figure out how to use it or get to the Award Editor", then you'll want to start by pulling up the Title record that you want to add an award to, then clicking on "Add an Award to This Title" in the navigation bar on the left. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:41, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reversed imprint publisher record ==<br />
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According to the Belgrave House website [https://www.belgravehouse.com/about here], Regency Reads is an imprint. The publisher record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?54054 Belgrave House / Regency Reads] is therefore reversed. I'd like to correct the record to read "Regency Reads / Belgrave House". It will only impact 3 publications. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: You might also check [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49955 these]. It's possible some them should also be 'Regency Reads / Belgrave House'. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:59, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I'll make the change and then check the Belgrave House pubs that I haven't already checked. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:10, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Whoops. Looks like a moderator has to make the change. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:13, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I made the switch for you. If you find that all of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49955 these] are Regency Reads / Belgrave House, I can merge them. Otherwise, just change the pubs one by one. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:22, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::Some are legitimately just Belgrave House. I have changed the ones that should have had the imprint name as well. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:36, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks Phil, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:53, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Links from Social Media ==<br />
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I frequently link to ISFDB as an authoritative repository of SF in print, but the links end up mangled with an equals sign at the end.<br />
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* Is this due to handling of URI addenda?<br />
* Would a fixed rewrite to strip terminal equal signs from URI parameters solve the issue?<br />
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'''Example 1''' (works despite itself):<br />
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* I pasted the link to the Belgariad into Facebook with <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?704><br />
* Clicking on it takes me to <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?704=>, which '''still works'''.<br />
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'''Example 2''' (fails):<br />
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* I pasted the link to ''Pawn of Prophecy'' into Facebook with <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25761><br />
* Clicking on it takes me to <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25761=>, which '''fails'''.<br />
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If Facebook is doing something annoying, it may be best to treat it as a force of nature and adapt. {{unsigned|Gnomon}}<br />
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: Unfortunately, Facebook adding "stuff" to third party URLs is a known issue. We first ran into it in 2018 when Facebook started adding "&fbclid=lots-o-characters" to the end of ISFDB URLs. We addressed it in {{FR|1207}}, "Ignore Facebook tracking IDs", which has more technical details than you are probably interested in.<br />
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: A single trailing "=" sign is new and may or may not confuse our software depending on what kind of Web page is being linked. Most ISFDB pages expect an ISFDB record number and optional "+"-delimited parameters specifying what kind of display format to use. Author and series pages accept both record numbers and author/series names, which may contain a "=" sign. Publication pages accept a publication record number OR an alphabetical "tag". (Publication tags are deprecated, but still supported to be backward compatible.) Finally, Advanced Search pages use a completely different format which uses "=" signs as special characters, e.g. "USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact". This means that "=" characters may or may not be valid depending on the type of the linked page, e.g. we have an author record for "ルイス=キャロル".<br />
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: The good news is that URL processing was centralized a year or two ago, so any tweaks should be easier to implement than was the case in 2018. I'll go ahead and take a closer look. Thanks for reporting the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:36, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have made a software change on the development server. The software now removes trailing "=" characters, but only if the rest of the parameter (i.s. the stuff after "?") is all digits. However, before I deploy it to the main server, could you please provide an example of a Facebook page that has this issue? I'd like to make sure that Facebook is doing what we think it's doing. Thanks in advance. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have updated the main server to strip trailing '=' signs from URLs. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:30, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Please forgive my missing your reply. That fixed the issue. Facebook still occasionally fails to load cover art with a direct link, but I take your point about chasing Facebook's behaviors. Thank you for maintaining this resource. [[User:Gnomon|Gnomon]] 06:56, 11 March 2023 (EDT).<br />
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::::: No worries. Thanks for confirming that the immediate issue has been been fixed! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:09, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Author with Two Different Names Question ==<br />
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Hello, ISFDB.<br />
I have published work under William Gillard and Bill Gillard. Those pages are here:<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?245999<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?197158<br />
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My most commonly used name is Bill Gillard, and I'd like that to be my "main" page. Are we able to combine my pages somehow? <br />
Thank you so very much for helping to maintain this valuable resource!<br />
Bill Gillard {{Unsigned2|23:08, September 8, 2023|Billgillard}}<br />
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: Bill, thanks for bringing this to our attention. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?197158 William Gillard] is now an alternate name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?245999 Bill Gillard]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:32, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The American Weekly Magazine, cover and interior art and stories ==<br />
<br />
Although not strictly a magazine, The Hearst Sunday supplement appeared in 20 newspapers for nearly 50 years and the artists and writers of the stories were also fantasy artists ( Virgil Findlay, Edmund Dulac, Willy Pogany, etc.). Could The American Weekly be added to the magazine list, and the front covers of these artists be listed as 'cover art' as well? Edmund Dulac alone produced 106 covers, Willy Pogany probably the same. Findlay did only one cover, but outstanding interior art, and the first book covering the American Weekly of was his work for the magazine.<br />
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Albert Seligman<br />
Editor<br />
"The American Weekly Covers of Edmund Dulac 1924-1951", Dulacebooks, 2021 {{Unsigned2|11:15, September 10, 2023|Albertcscs}}<br />
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:It should be Virgil Finlay, not Findlay. Also, the one issue of this magazine on ISFDB misspells A. Merritt as A. Merrit in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for identifying the typos. I have updated publication/author/series Notes, added the 1938-04-10 issue and sent a note to SFE with updated information. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:25, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: It looks like there may be two separate issues here: magazine eligibility and cover artist eligibility.<br />
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:: Re: magazine eligibility, [[Help:Entering_non-genre_periodicals]] states that:<br />
::* In many cases a work of speculative fiction has been published in a periodical that does not specialize in such works. In particular, many well-known (and many not so well-known) speculative fiction stories were first published in non-genre periodicals. In such cases it is desirable to record such publications in order to make the bibliography of the story complete. However, the ISFDB is not a general-fiction index and the non-speculative-fiction contents of such a periodical should not be entered.<br />
:: This means that the only issues of ''The American Weekly Magazine'' that are eligible are issues with speculative ''fiction'' content. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?271686 "The American Weekly, April 3, 1938"] included part 1 of {{A|John Hawkins}}'s ''Ark of Fire'', so the 1938-04-03 magazine issue is eligible. According to [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/hawkins_ward SFE], the serialization was completed in the April 10 issue, so we will want to create an ISFDB record for the 1938-04-10 issue as well.<br />
:: Re: cover artist eligibility, in the past we didn't enter cover artists for non-genre magazine issues unless the cover illustrated a work of speculative fiction. This rule was changed in 2022 and all eligible issues of non-genre magazines can have cover artist names entered.<br />
:: Hope this helps! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:56, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Two editions with different text ==<br />
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I'm trying to enter a supernatural romance fantasy book which has two editions from day one, one with explicit erotic content and one without. Does this situation requires anything specific I need to do? [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 15:23, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Do you happen to know how significant the differences are? If they are minor, we could create two Publication records under a single Title record and document any discrepancies in the Notes fields. If they are major, we would need to create two separate Title records with a single Publication record associated with each one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:34, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::IIRC (I read the book last fall), there's two sex scenes that are excised from the "clean" edition. I will also clarify that the two edition have actual different titles, ISBNs and slightly different cover designs (reddish pink vs. blue), BTW --[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 11:31, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::What's the title? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Oh, two different titles. In that case we will want to enter them via two separate "New Novel" submissions, then link the two titles using a "Make This Title a Variant" submission. Since the only textual difference is the presence of two sex scenes, we can document this fact in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:56, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Turns out they may not be ''technically'' different titles, though other differences remain. I would personally treat the "blah blah edition" as part of the formal title for at least one of the versions, since that's how the author chose to do so on Amazon (they did not use "flirting with fangs edition" on the default erotica version). [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 14:55, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Checking [https://joydemorra.com/books/ Joy Demorra's Web site], I see two works which have two separate editions: "True Love Bites", a novel, and "Crewel Intentions", a short story. Each one has a "Fluff and Fangs" edition and a "Flirting With Fangs" edition with the terms defined as follows:<br />
::::::* Flirting With Fangs edition: full romance, lots of kissing, and all the '''steamy scenes''' for those who want them.<br />
::::::* Fluff and Fangs edition: full romance, lots of kissing, and a '''fade to black''' for those who like a little more fluff with their fangs.<br />
:::::: Checking Amazon's Look Inside, I note that "Flirting With Fangs" appears on the title page, which is what we use to determine publication title. I suspect that the best way to enter these books would be with their full titles, e.g. ""True Love Bites: Flirting With Fangs", and then to variant them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Trumpet of the Last Judgment ==<br />
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I have a Spanish title "La trompeta del juicio Final" as it is on ISFDB, but on Spanish language sites it's given as "La trompeta del Juicio Final". How should it be for us, considering the recent agreement about sentence case for Portuguese titles, and maybe Spanish as well...? Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:45, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible to change a title record from ESSAY to INTERVIEW ==<br />
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I'm in the process of adding a fanzine in a language I don't read especially well, and accidentally added one article as an ESSAY, when it should have been an INTERVIEW.<br />
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Is there a way to change the type of that title to INTERVIEW, or should I delete that erroneous ESSAY and add a new INTERVIEW title record to replace it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:23, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You will need to add a new interview record and delete the old essay record. I don't believe there is a way to change types to/from interviews and reviews. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:40, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - given that I've been reprimanded more than once for doing a delete/(re)create, rather than an edit/merge/whatever, I thought I'd better double check first :-) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:05, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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I think I posted this in the wrong place so I will try here:<br />
Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1)) <br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages price: 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy <br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb <br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original) <br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original) <br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb <br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb <br />
page 155 Futureboro (original) <br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction: The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books<br />
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Thank you, Roger<br />
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== Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?53929 Good Omens] short story "[https://web.archive.org/web/20061103202606/http://www.harpercollins.com/author/AuthorExtra.aspx?displayType=essay&authorID=7848 Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions]" by Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman was published in 2006, apparently on the HarperCollins website; would it be eligible for addition to ISFDB? If so, how should the story's publication be added: as a webzine? a chapbook? I don't know if the story has been republished in any books or more traditional publications. But since the story was co-written by Pratchett and Gaiman, it's considered part of the "official" Good Omens book canon by both [https://www.tumblr.com/neil-gaiman/705373626386530304/fuckyeahgoodomens-neil-gaiman-neil-gaiman Gaiman] and fansites like the [https://goodomenslexicon.org/frequently-asked-questions/ Good Omens Lexicon]. <br />
[[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 13:21, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover Images ==<br />
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Well, I'm having problems, and that's all there is to it. I'm finding that I can no longer copy images from Amazon. Is this me, or is this something new? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:46, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Are you referring to the latest mouseover zoom feature for the cover images? I've found that I can still right click while hovering over the zoomed image and select "Copy image address". When I paste the link address into the Image URL field, I now always have to remove the formatting info. I already miss the "See This Image" link which Amazon seems to have removed. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:49, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, this "improvement" sux!!! Plain and simple!! [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Still having trouble. Get a lot of "Image hosted by a site which we do not have permission to link to." Yet the image comes from Amazon! [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 03:54, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Can you provide a sample URL in this message as well as which book it is for? Also which Amazon site? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:10, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::You can see an example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5773878 here] from the book on Amazon [https://www.amazon.com/Misery-Kings-Closet-Anthology-Hidden-ebook/dp/B08HGRV479/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1695203913&sr=1-10 here]. The URL is [https://d374oxlv7wyffd.cloudfront.net/B08HGRV479/77cb6452/cover.jpeg here], which, of course, now doesn't work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:45, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::[https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51-SJKAvQfL._SY445_SX342_.jpg]; Try Amazon UK. When I add author images I get them from UK because since amazon.com screwed up their site last year or whenever it was their pages only show a single author photo whereas UK and many other foreign Amazon pages show the whole array of photos if there are more than one included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:59, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
<Outdent> Since I'm not a moderator and can't see the submission review, I'm assuming that you are trying to put the cover image URL in the pub record. If I hover the mouse over the cover image and right click to bring up the action menu and then choose "Copy image address", the copied URL looks like [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81h20I48GeL._SY466_.jpg this]". Since that URL contains formatting data (which starts with "._"), you need to remove that formatting data by deleting everything from the second to last period to the last period. In this case you are deleting "._SY466_" which leaves the correct URL as [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81h20I48GeL.jpg this]. I can't reproduce how you are getting a URL with a cloudfront.net address in it. I hope this helps. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 23:16, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image upload ==<br />
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I've [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THCTNDTHSC2003.jpg just uploaded] a new cover scan for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCTNDTHSC2003 this pub]. The pub is 'date unknown' and the pub ID is |Pub=THCTNDTHSC2003. I haven't linked the uploaded image to the pub yet, but when I do, the image file will be headed as 'File:THCTNDTHSC2003.jpg' and the Description will read as 'Gollancz / Orion Unknown year tp'. To me this looks peculiar. Is this an oversight or is it an expected outcome? The first available edit in the edit history shows the date change to 0000-00-00, so maybe it was 2003 before that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:46, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry I missed the question when it was posted. Your last guess is correct. When a new publication record is created, it gets assigned a "publication tag", in this case "THCTNDTHSC2003". The tag is a combination of the first 10 consonants in the title and the publication year. Subsequent edits do not change the "publication tag". That's why this pub's tag is still "THCTNDTHSC2003" even though the publication year has been changed to "0000-00-00".<br />
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: In most cases publication tags do not matter because the ISFDB software doesn't use them any more. The only exception is the image upload mechanism, which uses publication tags to create new Wiki pages/images. Hope this answers the question! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:05, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::It does indeed, and thanks for explaining that. I'm glad it's something simple.. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:36, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Serialized novels ==<br />
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How do I correctly record a set of serialized novels? We currently have title records for Star Trek: New Frontier novels [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042926 The Returned (Part 1)], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042928 The Returned (Part 2)], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042930 The Returned (Part 3)]. The titles match the title pages. These are three novel length portions of one novel published a month apart. Do I simply make each of the existing titles a variant of a new title named "The Return" and change the content record type for each of the three component title publications to Serial? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:11, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I do think it depends on the actual lengths of the portions: if they are each of shortfiction length (i. e. less than 40,000 words - the more likely case), you are right: but then the single publications would have to be transformed into CHAPBOOKs, each containing a SERIAL as content title (which you can just add). <br />
: If they are above 40,000 words (i. e. the parent novel does have more than 120,000 words [???]) you can really just do the varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:05, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Since they are all shown with Kindle page counts of 180 or more, I'm pretty sure they are novels. I am proceeding to do the varianting, etc. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:56, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sure! 120,000 sounds somewhat enormous, but seems quite regular these days. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:01, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::The variants are created. How do I set the content record type to Serial? I get an error when trying to do it by editing the pub records. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:17, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: The same way you convert novels to chapbooks when it is a novella- except that now it will be a serial. Add a chapbook record into the contents section, change the novel one to SERIAL and change the publication type to a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:57, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: You also need to change the parent title date to 2015. When the work has only been published in serial form, we use just the year. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:02, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Done. Thanks for the help. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:43, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Top Science Fiction" -- adding author intros ==<br />
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Hi. I have a copy of this to hand [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270633 Top Science Fiction: The Authors' Choice] and I note that the ISFDB entry does not list the authors' intros. It seems like it ought to, although they're just a few paragraphs before the story starts. Could-should I add them?<br />
[[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 19:05, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, that would be great! I assume they are by Josh Pachter? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:36, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::They're actually by the authors and aren't separated explicitly from the stories, which is why I was unsure about this. I'll go ahead and do it, and if it's undesirable it's easily reverted. [[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 21:26, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, just enter them as essays by the authors then. If they don't have explicit titles, give them the name of the story with "(introduction)" at the end. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:46, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. Thank you for the help! [[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 09:48, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Messy situation with a translated essay and author credit ==<br />
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I'm in the process of adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?973163 a Chinese fanzine] that is mostly translated articles, and I've encountered a case that I'm not sure I've handled optimally, but I'm not sure what the correct way to go is.<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3231621 This essay] is credited to "洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库 等", where the body of it is a Sinocization of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?303758 Laurențiu Nistorescu] with the trailing "等" indicating "et al". As such, I've credited the essay to 洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库, added a note for the "et al", and made that author an alternate for Laurențiu Nistorescu.<br />
<br />
The problem comes in because [http://www.concatenation.org/europe/sf_romania_2.html the original online publication] doesn't clearly indicate the author(s). A footnote states "This article was a co-operative venture. Much is owed to Laurentiu Nistorescu (SF writer and journalist), Antuza Genescu and Dorin Davideanu (editor of the H. G. Wells Society zine Paradox).", but that feels like some unnamed editor assembled an English-language essay from articles by those authors, quite possibly in Romanian. As such I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3233285 that English essay] as by "uncredited", with the footnote copypasted into the note.<br />
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The problem comes in that the essay doesn't show up on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?303758 the Nistorescu author page] (which is understandable), nor [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369192 the alternate Chinese author page]. The latter seems bad for discoverability and understanding why that author record even exists.<br />
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Any thoughts on whether I should change how these essays have been recorded? A technical fix might be to not "hide" titles on the alternate author's page, if the parent title is logged against unknown/uncredited/etc, but I dunno how much work that would be, or even if it's desirable.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:25, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:One option:<br />
:*Credit the Chinese title to 洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库 and uncredited<br />
:*Credit the English title to Laurentiu Nistorescu, Antuza Genescu, Dorin Davideanu, Silviu Genescu, and uncredited<br />
:A simpler option: Delete the English essay record. As entered, it does not appear in an eligible publication. We only enter webzines, not any web essay. Everything entered in that record can be moved to the Chinese title record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:05, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I would also use the "A" template for {{A|Antuza Genescu}}, {{A|Dorin Davideanu}}, and {{A|Silviu Genescu}} since we have author records for them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:08, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks both. I'll update the author names to use the template.<br />
::: Re. the original "publication" - I appreciate the original isn't really eligible for inclusion in ISFDB, but I'm more interested in capturing the fact that the Chinese publication is a translation of an older essay, and I don't think there's any other way of recording that than creating an English (or whatever) title record to variant to? (Same as how translated webnovels get a parent title record, even though the original webnovel "publication" isn't really ISFDB-eligible.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:40, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The point about "translated webnovels get[ting] a parent title record" is an interesting one. I maintain a few publishers who do exactly that, e.g.:<br />
::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?61427 Cross Infinite World]: publishes English translations of Japanese light novels<br />
::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?72362 Magic Dome Books]/[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74983 Magic Dome Books and 1C-Publishing]: mostly publishes European (mostly Russian and Ukrainian, but also some German) authors, often in translation<br />
:::: Some of these translated novels were originally published in book form, but many original versions are Web novels and have not been published as books. I don't think we have a standard for these types of scenarios, which results in inconsistent dating: some parent titles are enter as "8888-00-00" while others use the date of the online publication. We probably need to discuss these issues on the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:51, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stuck submission? ==<br />
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Wondering my submission seems stuck?<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5773933<br />
Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:50, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I suspect that the moderators who reviewed the submission were not sure whether this "future history" book was a work of fiction. I have confirmed that it is indeed fiction, approved the submission and updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369536 author record]. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:38, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 12:19, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding "Pages to Fill: A Legends & Lattes Short Story" ==<br />
Greetings and felicitations. I'd like to add (or have someone else add) [https://www.travisbaldree.com/pages-to-fill "Pages to Fill: A Legends & Lattes Short Story"], a prequel to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2995100 the novel]. Besides the author's Web site, it is also available in the back of Tor's [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61457585-legends-lattes American hardcover edition] (though I don't have proof of that) and [https://books.apple.com/dk/audiobook/legends-lattes/id1629678565 apparently at the end of the audiobook] (see the full Publisher Description).<br />
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Unfortunately, I can't find instructions on how to do that (for SHORTFICTION), though other comments on this page hint at it. Help, please? —[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 00:15, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Amazon's Look Inside let me confirm that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3236839 "Pages to Fill"] indeed appears at the end of the hardcover edition published by Tor. The table of contents of their ebook edition mentions an "excerpt" from "Pages to Fill", but Look Inside doesn't display it. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?919465 hardcover pub] -- all I had to do was use "Edit This Pub" and add a SHORTFICTION title to the Content section. The version posted on the author's Web site has 9491 words, which makes it a novelette. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:46, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thank you, and I'm sorry about the deletion of discussions here—it was not only unintentional, I did not realize that I was doing it. —[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 03:28, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards ==<br />
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I can't find where to add an award that is not part of the awards list. I appreciate help. Thanks. {{unsigned|Antunes}}<br />
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: [[Help:Screen:AwardType]] says:<br />
:* Award Types define the types of awards (like the Hugo award) that ISFDB currently supports. Only ISFDB bureaucrats can create new award types. Only ISFDB moderators can edit existing award types. If you would like to have a new award type added or an existing award type modified, feel free to post your request on the [[Community Portal]].<br />
: Once a request has been posted in the Community Portal, it usually takes a few days to discuss it. If consensus is reached, then an ISFDB bureaucrat will add a new Award Type. HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:22, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author Directory ==<br />
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I've logged in, yet selecting any letter in the author directory returns that advanced search is restricted? {{Unsigned2|08:59, October 29, 2023|Acb13adm}}<br />
: Are you sure you are logged into the ISFDB as well as this wiki? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:24, 29 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Because the search function is not dependent on being logged in, the problem you are facing must be caused by something else.<br />
:: I do suppose you get the response 'Regular search doesn't support single character searches for names' using the regular search: that answer is intentional, because you wouldn't get the authors whose name begins with this letter but all authors whose name ''contain'' this letter at any position in their spelling (and this can easily lead to more than 100,000 authors to be displayed).<br />
:: If this ain't the problem you're facing: could you please describe more specifically what you're doing (and where), and what the exact wording of the response is? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:24, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Advanced Search requires you to be logged in. That was changed awhile back because of bots causing DB issues. So what is happening is expected behaviour if someone is not logged in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: That's right. Let me add a warning to the "Author Directory" page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:48, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:46, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== S. R. Cronin not on ISFDB ==<br />
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Locus just announced the passing of this author.<br />
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https://locusmag.com/2023/10/sherrie-cronin-1954-2023/<br />
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As far as I can tell, this author only appears on ISFDB in this record, under a different version of her name:<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43591<br />
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She self-published several fantasy novels in two series w/ Amazon.com Kindle delivery:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/s?k=s.+r.+cronin&i=stripbooks&crid=ZBEVKG7XIXYN&sprefix=s.+r.+cronin%2Cstripbooks%2C126&ref=nb_sb_noss<br />
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Should we index them? [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 13:13, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://archive.org/details/Asimovs_v03n11_1979-11/page/n119/mode/2up?view=theater; I saw that link in a StackExchange discussion where someone couldn't remember the title of this story. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:36, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: We definitely want her self-published books. I plan to add them tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:45, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: All of her books [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370261 have been entered] and an alternate name has been set up. Thanks for finding the obituary! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:04, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for handling this. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 17:39, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mafagafo Revista/Monthly issues inside a yearly folder ==<br />
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I hope this doesn't sounds confusing: I'm slowly adding issues of this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69927 Brazilian magazine], but how do I neatly tuck [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3242052 these] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3242049 two] (and other editions I still need to add manually) issues inside a neat early "folder" like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3185445 this] (i.e.: put them inside a Mafagafo - 2022 "folder")? Thanks in advance! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:46, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There is a Help page, [[Help:How to link a magazine to its wiki page and add it to a magazine series]], that discusses this topic. The top half is actually obsolete now that the ISFDB software builds issue grids automatically; the ISFDB Wiki is no longer used for this purpose. We'll need to remove the section.<br />
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: The bottom half, however, is still mostly accurate. Here are the relevant steps, edited to reflect the current state of the software:<br />
:* The EDITOR records of a magazine must first be merged by year using the steps listed below.<br />
:* Use Advanced Title Search to find the EDITOR records for issues published in a given year. The Title Search screen will list candidates for merging. <br />
:* Select the titles to be merged being careful not to select any titles that should not be merged. '''Only titles with the same editor(s) and year should be merged'''. See {{series|20701|this example}} where the editor credit changed in the middle of 1953.<br />
:* Review the displayed titles, then click Complete Merge. On the next Web page, select the title record with the earliest date. Note that the spelling of the title doesn't matter because it will be modified in the next step. The Moderator will review and approve the submission.<br />
:* Bring up the merged title record for editing. For example, "Strange Stories, April 1939" should be changed to "Strange Stories - 1939" and "Strange Stories" entered in the Series field. A moderator will review and approve the submission.<br />
:* Putting EDITOR records in the same series will result in "(View All Issues)" and "(View Issue Grid)" links appearing on all Web pages displaying individual issues.<br />
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: Please note the bolded statement above, i.e. "Only titles with the same editor(s) should be merged". In the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69927 ''Mafagafo''], the two 2022 issues that we currently have on file have different editors, so they shouldn't be merged. HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hm! This answers my question but raises another: Mafagafo always had the same editor-in-chief, which is Jana Bianchi (the one listed in the yearly merged links from 2018 and 2019). I think this is a lost-in-translation kind of situation, because the I've been crediting the other editions (from issue 2020 onwards) as "edited by [new person]", the "editor" in this case being the person who did the developmental edits/copyedits (the word "editor" means the both things in Portuguese), but Jana Bianchi was still the editor-in-chief. Considering how Strange Horizons is credited here (with the credited editor being only the editor-in-chief and not the fiction/developmental editors), should I go back and change all the issues to credit Jana Bianchi? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 23:11, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Generally, we only enter the name(s) of the Editor-in-Chief in the Author/Editor field. For example, consider the Wiki page [[Series:Air Wonder Stories]], which says (under "Staff"):<br />
:::* Hugo Gernsback, editor-in-chief.<br />
:::* David Lasser, Literary editor, July 1929-February 1930, Managing editor, March-Mary 1930. Despite his title Lasser was in effect managing editor for all issues.<br />
:::* M. E. Dame, Associate editor, April-May 1930.<br />
:::* A. L. Fierst, Associate editor, February-May 1930.<br />
:::* C. P. Mason, Associate editor, February-May 1930.<br />
::: When you check the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19341 corresponding "Series" page] in the database, you'll note that only Gernsback is credited.<br />
::: In this case I would enter "{{A|Jana Bianchi}}" in the Author/Editor field and document "guest editors", "fiction editors", "developmental editors", etc in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Ok, thanks! I'm gonna go back to those and credit Jana as the main editor, then. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 20:11, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved and ready for two "Title Merge" submissions, one for 2012 and the other one for 2022. You can either use Advanced Title Search or pull up {{A|Jana Bianchi}}'s Summary page, then click "Show All Titles" under "Editing Tools" and select titles to merge from the displayed list. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:44, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 'Star Wars Universe' vs 'Star Wars Universe/Star Wars' series ==<br />
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Can anyone explain the rationale for choosing which series to place 'independent' novels into? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:39, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== How to find magazine issue when story title is known ==<br />
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I am looking for the issue of the Analog or Fantasy & Science Fiction magazine containing a story titled "Gotlos".<br />
Thanks <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dulinje|Dulinje]] ([[User talk:Dulinje|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dulinje|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:Colin Kapp's {{T|51513|Gottlos}} appeared in {{P|57184|Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, November 1969}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:04, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:And for future reference, you can find what JLaTondre found by searching for the author listing (in this case, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1169 here]) using the search box at the top left side of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi main site] and find the story in their list of works. Clicking on the story title will take you to the {{T|51513|entry}} JLaTondre provided, where you'll be able to see where that story's been published. You can also search for the story title using that same search box. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:16, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::However, you need to know the correct spelling for ISFDB search to work. To find this story, I searched "Gotlos Analog or Fantasy & Science Fiction magazine" in Google and the first hit lead me to "Gottlos" and that it was in "Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, November 1969". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:15, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Synopsis can't be edited ==<br />
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I can't find the information on why a synopsis can't always be edited. Example: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3086815 [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 16:57, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'd say it is because the title is for a Chapbook which is a special type of container. Instead, edit the Shortfiction title of the same name that is included in the Chapbook. For your example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3086816 here]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 20:07, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right: we wouldn't want to add a synopsis to a CHAPBOOK: the enclosed piece of shortfiction may also be published in a COLLECTION or an ANTHOLOGY, and so it's more meaningful to add this information to the fiction title (and it's in the fiction where the plot unfolds). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Okaaay. Is it by design, that it's not obvious, that the text exists in 2 versions? With different nomination data? [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 03:19, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Chapbooks are a special case. The chapbook record is for the publication, not the text within the publication. The short fiction record is for the actual contents. Think of a chapbook as a single story collection if that helps. The award nomination should have been on the novella record and not on the chapbook record. I have fixed that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: And we do need a special container title type, even for a single piece of shortfiction: though that is the criterion that makes out a CHAPBOOK, there can be other title types that are published along the shortfiction, essays, for example, or pieces of interior art. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:58, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for all answers! [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 13:29, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::(This just to clarify content. [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 22:48, 1 December 2023 (EST))<br />
:Oh. One more question. It's possible to attach different tags to a chapbook and the story in it? There's a reason for handling tags this way and synopsis another way? [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 14:56, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Same story, different synopsis ==<br />
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This story has its own synopsis, so does the "original". The reason for this? https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?64178 [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 14:59, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786537 Edit History], I see that you added a synopsis to the Variant Title on 2023-10-09. I will ping [[User:Rtrace]], who approved the submission on 2023-10-17. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:30, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::When I review an edit adding a synopsis, I generally approve those without much investigation. Unless one is familiar with the title, there's no way to verify that the synopsis is correct, so this is a type of edit where I tend to trust that the submitter knows what they're doing. That being said, I don't recall that I've ever drilled down into the existing title record to see if it is a variant. If having synopses on both parent and variant title is a concern I can try to do so, but we may want to add a warning that the title being edited is a variant with a link to the parent title. The converse relationship (i.e. when editing the parent) is clear when reviewing the edit, but there's nothing on the review screen showing the parent title. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:41, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Checking our archives, I see the following [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 announcement]:<br />
:::* "Make Variant" has been updated to move "synopsis" data from the child title to the parent title. [This was {{FR|743}}, "Make This a Variant Title should move synopsis".]<br />
:::* Which reminds me. Are there scenarios where a VT with a synopsis makes sense? We have 1,636 of them, but I suspect that the vast majority are titles whose synopses were not moved to the parent record when they were varianted. I guess I should create a cleanup report for "VTs with synopsis data" and then we'll see if any are legitimate. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:41, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::** The cleanup report has been coded and deployed [this was {{FR|1501}}, "Create a cleanup report to find VTs with synopsis data."] The data will become available tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:57, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: As of this morning, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 the cleanup report had 1546 VTs with synopsis data]. If we can get a cleanup effort going, it should be possible to get all of them moved to the parent titles within a few days/weeks. If we don't come across any scenarios requiring that VTs have synopses, I could then change the software to make the Synopsis field not editable for VTs. It would be similar to the way CHAPBOOKs work. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:21, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have cleaned up a bunch and the report is now down to 1,500 titles. It is as I suspected: most just needed the synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles; some needed two synopsis entries reconciled; a few were in error, e.g. Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa or non-English synopses which are explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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:::: I plan to post my findings on the Community Portal tomorrow morning. I will also propose a software change to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:04, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: I spotted a couple of titles on the cleanup report with which I am familiar so have submitted edits to clean them up: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823387 The Engineer ReConditioned] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823388 The Long Afternoon of Earth]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:50, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:13, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== OLiver Whimsey ==<br />
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● I don't know if this subject has ever come up, but I would like to add a few coloring books, like [https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Beauty-Horror-Coloring-Adults/dp/B0CK3VFXFB/ref=sr_1_13?crid=1PMUI19A1YSMT&keywords=Oliver+Whimsy&qid=1701223836&s=books&sprefix=oliver+whimsy%2Cstripbooks%2C308&sr=1-13 Dark Beauty Horror Coloring Book for Adults] by Oliver Whimsey. I would think these books could qualify as art books. "He" has a number of fantasy oriented coloring/art books. Still, there might be rule against these, I'm good either way. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:21, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, coloring books do contain art and we have a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=coloring+book&type=All+Titles number of them on file]. However, the ones that are currently in the database are generally covered by the following Rule of Acquisition:<br />
:* ''Included'': Published non-fiction works about speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to published (as defined above) speculative fiction.<br />
: Examples include "Terry Pratchett's Discworld Coloring Book" and "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz Coloring Book".<br />
: Can Oliver Whimsey's ''Dark Beauty Horror Coloring Book for Adults'' be plausibly linked to published (as defined above) speculative fiction? Or it is standalone horror art? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:43, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::They seem to be stand-alones. Nice art, but again, I'll go with the majority here. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:02, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crown of Starlight ==<br />
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Recently watched a YouTube video about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3260929 this fantasy] and I have added it to this website. But, I'm not sure if I did it correctly. Could somebody in the know check out my listing and let me know if it was done correctly. The YouTube video on this book and it's author is attached to my listing. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:29, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== TOXIN - By Robin Cook ==<br />
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In the book jacket it says, “Determined to be a good father to his only son, newly divorced surgeon Dr. Kim Regis takes Selden to his favorite fast food restaurant…” In the book itself, the child is a girl (daughter) named Becky. Also, the doctor’s name is spelled REGGIS- not REGIS. In the book jacket it says “…the boy dies within hours…” whereas in the text the (girl) dies in 5 days.<br />
How does this type of error happen? I’m sure thousands of copies of this book were printed. I’m just curious.<br />
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Please reply to ronlibutti@gmail.com<br />
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Thank you. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:RONLIBUTTI|RONLIBUTTI]] ([[User talk:RONLIBUTTI|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RONLIBUTTI|contribs]]) .</small> 22:53, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:We apologize for any confusion. We are not the author or the publisher, so we don't have an answer for your question. If we were to venture a guess, it's likely the story was modified slightly between the time the back cover copy was written and the book contents were finalized, and no one noticed the discrepancies. It happens here and there in the publishing world. You're welcome to contact the publisher or the author through their respective websites if you wish. This would allow them to correct it for future printings. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:11, 8 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Excerpted only in translation ==<br />
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I believe that the convention for entering an excerpt is that it takes the date of excerpt publication and stands alone, not being made a variant of the work excerpted from. That's the way I've been doing them. However, I've just come up against this question: what about a translated excerpt when only the excerpt has been translated, not the entire original? Looking for the first foreign titles listed with "(excerpt)" I find [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2870369 Джанга с тенями (excerpt)], which is dated the same as the English translation, and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2611693 Мы (excerpt)], which is dated 8888-00-00, or unpublished. The latter makes a lot more sense to me. I would even add a note confirming that the full original work was not translated. Possibly someone can direct me to a Rules page that clarifies this; otherwise, is there a consensus? -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:21, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I don't know if there's a consensus, but I do think that from the rules your assumption is more meaningful: we have the rule that titles have to bear the date of their first publication, and thus a title where we know (or can safely assume) that it was not published should be marked as such ('8888-00-00'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:39, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I think I'll go ahead that way on the relevant entries in an anthology I listed a few days ago, so the story and essay excerpts in Italian show at least some sort of source. Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 09:43, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== LInda Barrett ==<br />
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Well, I've done it again. Somehow I messed up the serial that can be found [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?270222 here], and I don't how to fix it. Can I get any help? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:15, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It looks like you made part 1 a variant of part 2. Instead, both should have been made a variant of a new title. You should be able to fix this by making part 2 a variant of a new title (use Option 2 of the Make Variant Title screen). Since the software doesn't allow variants of variants, it will automatically move part 1 to be a variant of the new title also. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Carnegie Medal ==<br />
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sorry if this is the wrong place for this question.<br />
The carnegies have only had a list of nominees since 2003, prior to that in many years they had two other awards as well as the winner namely "Commended" and "Highly Commended". Is It possible to have these categories added to the list of options? if not then how should they be categorised? nominee with a note to say what they actually are?<br />
cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 15:22, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Let me first clarify that "award categories" are for different types of awards given by the same award committee/body. For example, consider the list of categories for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?26 the International Horror Guild Award]: Best Novel, Best First Novel, Best Short Story, Best Non-Fiction, Best Artist, Best Periodical, Best TV, etc.<br />
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: On the other hand, what you are describing is non-standard "award levels", which are different animals. At this time, we do not have support for them. You could enter their Award Levels either:<br />
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:* as "Special" followed by selecting "Honorable Mentions" from the drop-down list<br />
: Either way, please explain the details in the Notes field. Award Notes appear in hover-over "informational" bubbles displayed on Award pages, e.g. if you display the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?618+1 main page for the Carnegie Medal category], you will notice a little "i" next to the word "Win" for 1947. If you hover your cursor over it, it will display the associated award record's Note, in this case "First collection to win the award, and first time previously published works were considered." Hope this helps! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:29, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate it was award levels i meant. Just done one using honourable mentions and note with the note saying: Received the designation "Commended". I'll stick with that if youre happy. {{unsigned|Faustus}}<br />
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::: Thanks, I have approved the submission -- [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?79774 here is the result]. I also updated the Note field to indicate where the data came from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 07:59, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: Got it- i'll follow that format for the others. cheers - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 08:40, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== 1 Novel + 1 Short fiction = Omnibus/Collection/Novel? ==<br />
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If a book consists of a novel and a shorter work both of which have previously been published seperately then what type is it?<br />
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This one is an {{P|544825|OMNIBUS}}<br />
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This one is a {{P|360668|COLLECTION}}<br />
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This one's a {{P|51365|NOVEL}}<br />
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The Benford novelette is set in the same universe as the novel - does that have any bearing on Pub Type?<br />
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from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:24, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:It can be classified as a NOVEL or a COLLECTION. From the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type Publication Type] help section<br />
:: "NOVEL. Used when the book is devoted to a single work of fiction. The addition of multiple short stories makes the book a collection, not a novel (A single story is a judgment call, see below). However, sample chapters placed at the end of a book for advertising reasons do not make a novel into a collection. If a book is packaged as a single volume work, and then republished as a multi-volume work, all the publications are novels; there is no need to classify the single volume work as an omnibus. Conversely, if a book is originally published as multiple volumes, and republished as a single volume, the latter is a novel unless the presentation within the single volume makes it clear that the works are presented as separate novels. Sometimes a novel is bound with a single short work of fiction by the same author (an example is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMSNCHNTD2000 this edition of The Misenchanted Sword]). In such a case it is often preferred to class the publication as a novel with a "Bonus story" rather than a 2-item collection or omnibus. This is particularly true if the publication has the same title as the novel. It is a judgment call, however." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::Thanks, i'd read the collection and omnibus bits of that help page but somehow didnt look at NOVEL. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:23, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== My typo in a canonical name ==<br />
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I mistyped Linda Burroughs as LInda Burroughs and now that it's been entered as a canonical name I can't correct it. I tried doing so on the title page for her one essay so far, but the software matched Linda with LInda and that edit went through without the change. Could a moderator fix that typo on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?374390 Author Record] page? Thanks. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:52, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:As requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:25, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thank you, John.--Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 17:19, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A question about variants with pseudonyms ==<br />
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I'm generally fine with creating variants but need some clarification for this situation. The publication is written under a pseudonym. The title page shows the author as another pseudonym "writing as". Fine so far but the existing canonical author record has the author's canonical name plus an additional author. Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22551 Satellite B.C.] which has the canonical authors as John S. Glasby and Arthur Roberts. I added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?992906 ebook edition] whose title page shows "John Glasby writing as Rand Le Page" using the Rand Le Page pseudonym. I feel like there should be a variant created but am not sure if that's true. What should I do? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:07, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:The author field help attempts to cover this:<br />
::Alternate Names. ''If you know that a particular author's name is an alternate name, enter that alternate name rather than changing it to the canonical name. If the title page shows both an original and a subsequent name, use the original name. For example, Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books were originally published under the pseudonym of Paul French, but later reprints were given both names: '''"by Isaac Asimov, writing as Paul French". In these cases you should still enter Paul French as the author and record the dual credit in the notes.''' If the cover shows both names but the title page shows only one name, use the name from the title page -- no matter which it is -- and record the discrepancy with the cover credit in the notes. When a book is known to be ghost-written, this should be treated as an alternate name; the ghost-writer will eventually show up as having an alternate name of the well-known author, but that data is not entered via this field.'' (my emphasis)<br />
:The credit should be to Rand Le Page. The variant would go to the canonical name, which is John S. Glasby. The software does not permit a variant of a variant, so there would be no intermediate record with the John Glasby credit. If we believe the work is by both Glasby and Roberts, then the variant would go to a record using two author credits for John S. Glasby and Arthur Roberts -- always to the canonical. Unless it were ever published as credited solely to "John Glasby", there will be no variant with that credit. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:56, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks. That's how I did it but somehow didn't see the guidance in the Help to reassure me that I had done it correctly. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:53, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Restoring cancelled submission==<br />
Is there any way to easily restore/resubmit a submission I accidentally cancelled (other than reenter everything)? 5883840 if it can be done. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:27, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: A moderator can unreject. Which I had done. It is back to being active and in the queue. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:53, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::10000 thank yous. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:47, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
== interviews jump to continuation page==<br />
When entering an interview with multiple authors interviewed in a publication, when the article starts on say page 1 and the first author is interviewed there, and the continuation of the article jumps to say page 10 and interviews more authors, is it better to just add additional authors to the interview listing with the first page <br />
number, or to add them as another interview with the second page number and the same title? I can't decide which is more logical. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:12, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Adding alternate name ==<br />
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Colombian author Rodrigo Bastidas Pérez [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?329980] [https://latinamericanliteraturetoday.org/lal_author/rodrigo-bastidas-perez/] also appears to use the nameRodrigo Bastidas [https://co.linkedin.com/in/rodrigo-bastidas-9aab39191] [https://latinamericanliteraturetoday.org/lal_author/rodrigo-bastidas-perez/] so if anybody could add it, please? Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:30, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:The ISFDB is a publication driven database. An author record will be created the first time "Rodrigo Bastidas" is credited to a title. After creation, go to the newly created author record. Select 'Make/Remove Alternate Name' from the Editing Tools menu. Put 'Rodrigo Bastidas Pérez' in the Parent name field or 329980 in the Parent Record # field. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:42, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:56, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Adding web-published short fiction? ==<br />
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General question: https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub seems to list everything ''except'' a new piece of short fiction (New Anthology, New Chapbook, New Collection, New Fanzine, New Magazine, New Nonfiction, New Novel, and New Omnibus). How does one add one? <br />
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More specifically, how would one add Andy Weir’s latest short story, “The Martian: Lost Sols” (https://galactanet.com/lostsols.pdf)?<br />
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(A more complicated issue might be whether to count it as either part of a new ''The Martian'' series, or as just a missing part of the novel.)<br />
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— [[User:FlaSheridn|FlaSheridn]] ([[User talk:FlaSheridn|talk]]) 19:42, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:A publication of a single work of short fiction is handled in the ISFDB as a CHAPBOOK, which you should think of as a one-story COLLECTION. So you use Add New Chapbook. We would consider a PDF an "ebook". It will seem redundant, but within that new record, you would add one entry in the "Regular Titles" (content) section for the short story. See some details in the CHAPBOOK sub-bullet of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type]]. It is normal for both the CHAPBOOK and the SHORTFICTION records to have the same title text, but that is not required. If the story belongs in the series, add the series to the SHORTFICTION record (which will only be available after the initial submission is accepted), not to the CHAPBOOK. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 21:31, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Financial contributions ==<br />
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Is there a way to make a monthly financial contribution to your site? {{Unsigned2|16:35, February 21, 2024| Jeradcentipedepress.com}}<br />
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: Not at the moment, but let me check with Al von Ruff who currently handles server issues. Thanks for the thought! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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— [[User:FlaSheridn|FlaSheridn]] ([[User talk:FlaSheridn|talk]]) 21:07, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Not at the moment. but the site isn't particularly expensive to operate. I'll be looking into creating a 501c later this year, mostly to ensure the longevity of the site, but that would also allow for official financial contributions. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 16:43, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== (in error) credit to cover artist / Beloved Exile ==<br />
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What steps should I take to fix up the cover artist for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?643609 Beloved Exile]?<br />
My 2nd printing has a copyright page credit and signature on the artwork crediting 'Heide Oberheide'. <br />
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It seems I should edit the 'Author 1' name in the record, but am unsure how to create the 'Tom Canty (in error)' record linkage. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:13, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:It's unfortunately complicated. What you'd need to do is separate the publications so that the AvoNova pub has a COVERART record of its own that is not shared with the two Bantam pubs. Then make the AvoNova's credit be "Tom Canty (in error)" instead of "Tom Canty", and make the title the two Bantam pubs share be credited to "Heide Oberheide" instead of "Tom Canty". Then both the fixed "Heide Oberheide" one and the "Tom Canty (in error)" one would need to be made variants of one credited to "Heidi Oberheide" (her canonical name), "Tom Canty (in error)" would need to be made an alternate name for Heidi Oberheide, and the lingering old parent title credited to Thomas Canty would need to be deleted. It would take quite a few submissions and a few wait-for-approval pauses. I'd be happy to do this for you, if you want, or you're welcome to try it yourself. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:38, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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Please do. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:16, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:The two Bantam editions have different credits (one "Heidi", the other "Heide") and also needed to be separated. Final result is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3292598 here]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:19, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3292602 Хищник]==<br />
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I need some help from anybody who knows Russian. I just listed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3292602 Хищник]. I did the best I could, but I <b>know</b> I must of gotten something wrong. I had to spell out the authors' names from by "Symbol" program on my word program and I'm sure I did something wrong. Could somebody check this out and let me know what I did wrong? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:09, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: All fixed :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you very much. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 14:57, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::: Anytime - the two author names needed fixing - Morris looked ok but the k in his first name was in Latin; Golden's first name contained characters that looked like the actual letters if you squint :) I also added more details (including the translator)from Fantlab and other Russian sources, got the publisher sorted out and got a month of publication (Goodreads can be really bad for this on Russian books). Thanks for adding it. Feel free to drop me a note when you get one of these - either after you add it as you did now or just with a link to the Goodreads book and I will be happy to fix/add it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:06, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::@MLB, when I am not on my tablet or phone with convenient virtual keyboards and am stuck on my computer's US-standard QWERTY keyboard, I often find it easier to Google for names/titles with diacriticals or in non-Latin alphabets and copy + paste. WAY faster than trying to enter one symbol at a time.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:22, 16 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== H. P. Lovecraft Wordsearch ==<br />
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Does [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09MZ1DHY6?ref_=dbs_m_mng_rwt_calw_tpbk_0&storeType=ebooks&asin=B09MZ1DHY6&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1 H. P. Lovecraft Wordsearch: Eldritch Wordsearch Puzzles in the World of the Cthulhu mythos] belong on this site? If so, how would it be listed? Just a listing of the book without the content? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:04, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I would enter it as NONFICTION and add a Note to the effect that, in addition to the puzzles, it contains a brief Lovecraft biography and an (also brief) secondary bibliography. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:54, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I hope [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?963829 this] is correct. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:47, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You noted two pieces of bibliographical nonfiction, but there is only one (an introduction) listed in that publication. I don't see any pending submissions for it, either. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:34, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:33, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Creating a separate page (linked) out of a publication's notes? ==<br />
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I'm trying to find out how to add a link in an individual publication's Notes which leads to a Wiki page where I can record a lot (5 book pages-worth) of biblio data about the pub. I'm not finding anything obvious in the template Help pages ([https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Header_templates here] & [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PubHeader here]). If the answer's in the latter, I'm not seeing how to use it... Is it even possible? Advice please, Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:23, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Create the wiki page, then link it as you would link any other page outside of the server - in the Web Pages field. One warning though - we have a multi-year project going on migrating data out of the wiki and into the DB (so a lot of these templates are now obsolete and the code connecting and serving them had been removed from the server) - the archiving and backups of both of them are done differently so if there is a catastrophic failure, we may not be able to restore both. Plus the public site archives do NOT contain the wiki - just covers and the DB. If you still want to create the page though, go ahead -- no template needed - it is just a regular page you then can add to the Web Pages field :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Technically, the automatic link between old publication-specific Wiki comments and related publication records still exists, e.g. see the following line in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RLFTRPTPHR1994 ''Reel Future'']:<br />
::* '''Bibliographic Comments''': View Publication comment (RLFTRPTPHR1994) <br />
:: However, it is based on the pub's "publication tag" (RLFTRPTPHR1994), which is not to be confused with title-based tags like "horror". "Publication tags" are neither visible nor editable anymore. Going forward you will want to do what Annie suggested, i.e. enter any publication-specific Wiki pages that you may decide to create within the ISFDB Wiki in the pub's "Web pages" multi-field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:22, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Oh, right, the publication one is still active - I know a few got killed when most of the existing data was moved. The ID is visible if you start uploading a cover - that’s what is used for the cover file title - so while not editable, they can at least be found if one needs them. However, if a page is added that way, it will just pop up in the cleanup report and someone will need to move the link to the Web Pages anyway so we may as well skip the middle step. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:32, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great, Web page it is then. I'll see what I can do, many thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:57, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Convert an anthology to omnibus ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369095 This pub] and two others I will add are collected into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369153 this pub]. Since all three works were published separately first, should [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369153 this pub] be converted to an Omnibus. If so, I assume I remove all of the contents and then import the associated three pubs. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:55, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://archive.org/search?query=interlyth&sort=-addeddate; You're probably already aware but there's an archived copy available. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:46, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I added the link. I was surprised that only the omnibus was uploaded. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 14:57, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge container ==<br />
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I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3214045 Dr. Jekyll] as a chapbook and then realized it was a novel. I tried to convert the chapbook to a novel, but now I have a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3214045 new container novel]. I've been trying to merge this container with the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28194 actual variant]. So far I've failed to merge this. I was about to delete it all and start over, but I'm hoping someone can help me sort it out. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 19:39, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think if you remove {{T|3214045|this title}} from the publication and then either delete or merge it, you should be fine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:01, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That worked. Thanks! Not sure why I didn't try that. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 19:39, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pages ==<br />
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I have a book with an introduction on numbered pages Roman vii to xi. The novel starts on the first numbered page Arabic 1.<br />
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Between the two sections are 3 unnumbered pages, the 2nd of which contains a map which I want to include in the regular titles (the pages either side of it are blank). Advice please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:42, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Pages: xi+[3]+Arabic - Page number of the map is [2]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:06, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As I read [[Template:PubContentFields:Page|this help template]], the map would be on page xiii. For the overall pages field per [[Template:PublicationFields:Pages|this template]], I would add as xi+Arabic count. It specifically states that unnumbered pages between Roman and Arabic pages can be ignored, whereas the first template states that page numbers can be extrapolated for unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages. The only possible question is whether the page the map is on would still be considered to be within the range of the numbered pages. I would consider it so. Despite the fact that the numbering (Roman vs Arabic) changes, it's still an unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:22, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ron, thanks for the correction. Although a content title with a Roman numeral higher than that stated in the pages field seems odd. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:12, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Agreed that it's a little odd. But it's understandable within the context of the help pages. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:55, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::This problem doesn't occur for regular content page counts because blank page(s) beyond the last page are included in the page count. The first template also states that page numbers for unnumbered pages can be derived for Roman-numeraled pages. These points suggest that Pages: could be xii+Arabic and the map page number would be xii. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:24, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::In my opinion, John has supplied the correct and best answer to this case.<br />
::::::Ron refers to bullet point 2 of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages Template:PublicationFields:Pages] which states "Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored.". However, bullet point 3 states "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets.". Nowhere in this bullet point does it state that it does not apply if there are also Roman numeral pages in the pub. You could argue that the two bullet points are contradictory but, to be fair, this unusual case probably wasn't considered when these Help notes were written.<br />
::::::For me, the clincher is: What do you consider constitutes a range of pages? Ron considers that the map falls within one range of numbered pages. I think it falls between two separate ranges of numbered pages. It's not so much that the style of numbering changes (Roman to Arabic). It's more that the values of the page numbers in the first range (vii-xi translates to 7-9) is repeated in the second range (1-999 (or whatever)). To me, that's two ranges. Once you interpret it this way, John's answer makes sense, is not inconsistent with the Help notes and follows the same principles that are used for additional content on unnumbered pages at the end of a book. It also avoids the scenario of having a content title with a Roman numeral higher than that stated in the Pages field which I find very undesirable and confusing for a user.<br />
::::::Doug H's reply does not apply to the case that has been raised. Unnumbered pages beyond the last numbered page are only included in the page count if there is content that starts in the numbered pages and continues onwards into the unnumbered pages. If content that needs to be indexed starts after the last numbered page then its page numbers are denoted in square brackets. See bullet point 3 of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages Template:PublicationFields:Pages] and also the 4th of the 5 examples in this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book How To]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for the comments. John's answer was the one I arrived at before I posted the question. One can look at that value and derive straight away what the layout is. Teallach, I agree with every point you make - I couldn't have set it out better. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:30, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Aeon 14: Title and series issues ==<br />
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I need advice on how to handle a rather complex situation. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?246271 M. D. Cooper] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249808 James S. Aaron] have written 10 novels plus 2 omnibuses in the currently named "Sentience Wars" series (as documented on the [https://www.aeon14.com/series/sentience-wars Aeon14 website]). The novels 1-5 were originally published as part of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?49667 Sentience Wars: Origins] series but are now shown on the author's website as numbers 1-5 of the "Sentience Wars" series. The later four novels are simply shown as numbers 6-9 of the "Sentience Wars" series and have yet to be added to the DB. Two of the novels were originally part of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?51889 Legends of the Sentience Wars] series: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2443987 The Proteus Bridge] and "Vesta Burning" (which has yet to be added to the DB). However, the author's website now shows "The Proteus Bridge" as book 0 of the "Sentience Wars" series. "Vesta Burning" has been renamed "Lyssa's Light" and is shown as number 6 of the "Sentience Wars" series. To add to the complexity, "Vesta Burning" was published as an ebook and an audiobook plus was included in the omnibus "Lyssa's Fire - Sentience Wars Books 4-5 Omnibus: Includes Vesta Burning". The omnibus was later republished as "Lyssa's Fire: The Sentience Wars - Books 4-6 Omnibus Edition" with "Vesta Burning" replaced by "Lyssa's Light" as the third component title.<br />
<br><br><br />
Issue 1: "Vesta Burning" / "Lyssa's Light". Should "Lyssa's Light" be considered a variant of "Vesta Burning" or is it a different publication that needs a note referring back to the original name? The Amazon Look-inside view of [https://www.amazon.com/Vesta-Burning-Assault-Mission-Sentience-ebook/dp/B07G4M7Z24/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=1-1 "Lyssa's Light"] has an editor's note at the beginning of the Foreword stating the rename and series change. The title page shows "Lyssa's Light: The Sentience Wars - Book 6". I'm leaning toward making these two separate titles with appropriate notes. Unfortunately, I can't find any information as to exactly when the rename occurred but suspect it was around the same time as "Lyssa's Fire: The Sentience Wars - Books 4-6 Omnibus Edition" was published in February 2019. Advice?<br />
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Issue 2: Series name/numbering. I would like to reorganize the series entries for these books as follows:<br />
<br> > Age of the Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >> 1 The Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >>> 1 Legends of the Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >>>> 1 The Proteus Bridge<br />
<br> >>>> 2 Vesta Burning<br />
<br> >>> 2 Sentience Wars (with a series note "Titles 1-5 were originally part of a discontinued series called 'Sentience Wars: Origins'" and a similar note on each of the title records.)<br />
<br> >>>> titles #1-9<br />
<br>Would this be acceptable?<br />
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Issue 3: Completely reorganize the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?44561 Aeon 14] series to match the author's series and subseries demarcations as shown on the [https://www.aeon14.com/aeon14-books Aeon 14 website]. I think the existing series structure is not particularly useful for a reader and this would be a better organization for this large volume of titles. The top level would remain Aeon 14 and the first level subseries would be:<br />
<br>1 Age of the Sentience Wars <br />
<br>2 Second Age of Colonization<br />
<br>3 Age of Terra<br />
<br>4 Age of the FTL Wars<br />
<br>5 Age of Reconstruction<br />
<br>6 Age of the Orion War<br />
<br>7 Age of the Ascension War<br />
<br>The existing subseries would be moved under the appropriate "Age" subseries and renumbered appropriately. Would this be acceptable?<br />
<br><br>Thanks [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:35, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The first question that comes to mind is "Were the texts changed when the series was reorganized by the author(s)?" If they were, then we could enter them as separate titles and put them in different series the way it was done with {{A|David Wingrove}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?32596 Chung Kuo Universe], which was split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1573 Chung Kuo (original)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30074 Chung Kuo (recasting)].<br />
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: If the texts were not changed, then all identical texts which use different titles should be linked using the variant title system. In the case of Issue 1, "Lyssa's Light" would become a variant of "Vesta Burning".<br />
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: Re: reorganizing the series structure, I don't have a preference. I remember entering some of these books, either manually or via Fixer, but I was just following what was on Amazon and/or on the author's Web page when assigning series numbers. [[User:Chris J]] also did a fair amount of work on the series, so he may be a good person to consult.<br />
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: Unfortunately, this is not an uncommon occurrence. As series grow, their authors and/or publishers occasionally decide that it would be useful to change their structure and/or the recommended reading order. Sometimes they even list entries inconsistently, e.g. a prequel may be listed either as "Book 0" or as "Book 0.5" or not given a number at all. All we can do is pick the numbers/structure that make the most sense and explain the rest in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:51, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: P.S. I should also mention that, as [[Help:Screen:EditSeries]] says:<br />
:* A series can have only one name, so if two or more names are equally well known (e.g. one name is used in the UK and another in Australia), the only option is to list them all in a slash delimited format, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1455 ''Moon Singer / Free Trader / Moon Magic'']<br />
: It doesn't help much when dealing with series reorganizations (as opposed to series renamings), but it's something to keep in mind. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== g. haron davis uses lower case for their name ==<br />
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Like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22680 e. e. cummings], the author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?361205 g. haron davis] uses all lower case for their name. They do so consistently on [https://www.harlequin.com/shop/authors/29388_g-haron-davis.html their Harlequin author page], [https://www.harpercollins.com/blogs/authors/g-haron-davis-20221285357600 their HarperCollins author page], and [https://www.ghdis.me/ their own website].<br />
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Is there a process for getting their canonical name fixed? — [[User:Sylvar|Sylvar]] ([[User talk:Sylvar|talk]]) 13:33, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have checked Amazon Inside's data for the anthology that we have on file and, sure enough, the author is credited as "g. haron davis". I have adjusted the canonical name.<br />
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: Re: the process, some high-impact actions -- like changing an author's canonical name -- are limited to moderators. If you come across similar cases, please request assistance on [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]]. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:31, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thread link missing ==<br />
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Whenever [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Hifrommike65 Mike] posts to talk pages, and it shows up on my watchlist, a link to his posted thread is missing. Have others noticed this and does anyone know why? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:43, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The link is missing because he is not using 'Add topic' to start a new thread. He is using 'Edit' (whole page) or 'Edit' the last thread and adding a new thread title at the bottom. Hopefully he will see this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John, I hope that solves it. :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:54, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry, I'll correct this error. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 18:46, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moving existing publication to different variant title ==<br />
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Is there a process for moving an existing publication record to an existing variant title? For example, publication {{P|339486}} is an English translation of Mikhail Bulgakov's {{T|1020614|Мастер и Маргарита}} translated by Michael Glenny (according to its record notes) but it is linked to the variant title {{T|10458}} for English translations by "an unknown or uncredited hand" when there is a variant title for Michael Glenny's translation {{T|2587871}}. I expect this process will come up a lot when cleaning up translation records. Thanks! -- [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 12:17, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:You have a choice of two methods, both require two submissions.<br />
:* Method One <br />
:: Click on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?10458 title record]. Select 'Unmerge Titles' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Check the box for the 1974 title record. Submit.<br />
:: After the submission is approved, merge the new title with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2587871 this one]. In the note to mod, indicate whether you will submit the merge or you rather the moderator go ahead and do it.<br />
:* Method Two<br />
:: Click on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?339486 publication record].<br />
:: Select 'Import Content' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Under option 2 enter '2587871' and submit. (This is the Glenny translation title record).<br />
:: Select 'Remove Titles From This Pub' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Select the old container title and submit (This removes the Unknown hands translation and makes Glenny translation the container title).<br />
: The advantage of method 2 is that both edits can be submitted together. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks! I've gone ahead and entered the submissions using Method Two for the example I shared. -- [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 13:33, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:35, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robosoldiers / 2nd printing? ==<br />
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I'm second guessing my cloning to create [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968246 Robosoldiers: Thank Your for Your Servos]. It occurred to me that I had preordered from Amazon, and it kicked on the release date given in the 1st printing record. However, it has a number line indicating a 2nd printing. Upon thought, it seems more likely that the number line is wrong, rather than it having two printings out on the release date. There is no PV for the 1st printing PB record. Perhaps adding the number line to the 1st printing record, and noting the purchase date? Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:41, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Hmmm, not being an expert, but what I think could have happened is that the tp edition is considered 1st printing, and the pb edition considered 2nd printing. If that's the case, the printing line isn't wrong per se (this happens a lot with Dutch publications by the way). Anyway, your proposal makes sense. Keep yours, update with publication date per Amazon as of 2023-04-27, add clarifying notes per your arguments above, and delete the non-PV'd record. If it so happens that there ever is a 1st printing pb edition uncovered, it can still be added. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:28, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I had suggested editing the original (non-PV'd) record, while you're suggesting deleting it. Does it make a difference? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:57, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Not really - only difference is that it would preserve your verification data when keeping your record. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Award Records - How to create new year ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
<br />
I'd love to add the 2023 Sturgeon Awards to the appropriate stories, but I've been searching and I have no clue on how to add a new year for an Award, etc. I did see one online item for "Help:Screen:EditAward" but I was unable to figure out how to use it or get to the Award Editor.<br />
<br />
Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:57, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Simply add an award record to a title and enter "2023" in the year when doing that. Once the award submission is approved, it will show the new year in the award listing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:15, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Assuming that the first issue is "...unable to figure out how to use it or get to the Award Editor", then you'll want to start by pulling up the Title record that you want to add an award to, then clicking on "Add an Award to This Title" in the navigation bar on the left. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:41, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reversed imprint publisher record ==<br />
<br />
According to the Belgrave House website [https://www.belgravehouse.com/about here], Regency Reads is an imprint. The publisher record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?54054 Belgrave House / Regency Reads] is therefore reversed. I'd like to correct the record to read "Regency Reads / Belgrave House". It will only impact 3 publications. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: You might also check [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49955 these]. It's possible some them should also be 'Regency Reads / Belgrave House'. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:59, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I'll make the change and then check the Belgrave House pubs that I haven't already checked. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:10, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Whoops. Looks like a moderator has to make the change. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:13, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I made the switch for you. If you find that all of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49955 these] are Regency Reads / Belgrave House, I can merge them. Otherwise, just change the pubs one by one. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:22, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::Some are legitimately just Belgrave House. I have changed the ones that should have had the imprint name as well. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:36, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks Phil, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:53, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Links from Social Media ==<br />
<br />
I frequently link to ISFDB as an authoritative repository of SF in print, but the links end up mangled with an equals sign at the end.<br />
<br />
* Is this due to handling of URI addenda?<br />
* Would a fixed rewrite to strip terminal equal signs from URI parameters solve the issue?<br />
<br />
'''Example 1''' (works despite itself):<br />
<br />
* I pasted the link to the Belgariad into Facebook with <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?704><br />
* Clicking on it takes me to <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?704=>, which '''still works'''.<br />
<br />
'''Example 2''' (fails):<br />
<br />
* I pasted the link to ''Pawn of Prophecy'' into Facebook with <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25761><br />
* Clicking on it takes me to <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25761=>, which '''fails'''.<br />
<br />
If Facebook is doing something annoying, it may be best to treat it as a force of nature and adapt. {{unsigned|Gnomon}}<br />
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: Unfortunately, Facebook adding "stuff" to third party URLs is a known issue. We first ran into it in 2018 when Facebook started adding "&fbclid=lots-o-characters" to the end of ISFDB URLs. We addressed it in {{FR|1207}}, "Ignore Facebook tracking IDs", which has more technical details than you are probably interested in.<br />
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: A single trailing "=" sign is new and may or may not confuse our software depending on what kind of Web page is being linked. Most ISFDB pages expect an ISFDB record number and optional "+"-delimited parameters specifying what kind of display format to use. Author and series pages accept both record numbers and author/series names, which may contain a "=" sign. Publication pages accept a publication record number OR an alphabetical "tag". (Publication tags are deprecated, but still supported to be backward compatible.) Finally, Advanced Search pages use a completely different format which uses "=" signs as special characters, e.g. "USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact". This means that "=" characters may or may not be valid depending on the type of the linked page, e.g. we have an author record for "ルイス=キャロル".<br />
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: The good news is that URL processing was centralized a year or two ago, so any tweaks should be easier to implement than was the case in 2018. I'll go ahead and take a closer look. Thanks for reporting the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:36, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have made a software change on the development server. The software now removes trailing "=" characters, but only if the rest of the parameter (i.s. the stuff after "?") is all digits. However, before I deploy it to the main server, could you please provide an example of a Facebook page that has this issue? I'd like to make sure that Facebook is doing what we think it's doing. Thanks in advance. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have updated the main server to strip trailing '=' signs from URLs. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:30, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Please forgive my missing your reply. That fixed the issue. Facebook still occasionally fails to load cover art with a direct link, but I take your point about chasing Facebook's behaviors. Thank you for maintaining this resource. [[User:Gnomon|Gnomon]] 06:56, 11 March 2023 (EDT).<br />
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::::: No worries. Thanks for confirming that the immediate issue has been been fixed! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:09, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Author with Two Different Names Question ==<br />
<br />
Hello, ISFDB.<br />
I have published work under William Gillard and Bill Gillard. Those pages are here:<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?245999<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?197158<br />
<br />
My most commonly used name is Bill Gillard, and I'd like that to be my "main" page. Are we able to combine my pages somehow? <br />
Thank you so very much for helping to maintain this valuable resource!<br />
Bill Gillard {{Unsigned2|23:08, September 8, 2023|Billgillard}}<br />
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: Bill, thanks for bringing this to our attention. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?197158 William Gillard] is now an alternate name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?245999 Bill Gillard]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:32, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The American Weekly Magazine, cover and interior art and stories ==<br />
<br />
Although not strictly a magazine, The Hearst Sunday supplement appeared in 20 newspapers for nearly 50 years and the artists and writers of the stories were also fantasy artists ( Virgil Findlay, Edmund Dulac, Willy Pogany, etc.). Could The American Weekly be added to the magazine list, and the front covers of these artists be listed as 'cover art' as well? Edmund Dulac alone produced 106 covers, Willy Pogany probably the same. Findlay did only one cover, but outstanding interior art, and the first book covering the American Weekly of was his work for the magazine.<br />
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Albert Seligman<br />
Editor<br />
"The American Weekly Covers of Edmund Dulac 1924-1951", Dulacebooks, 2021 {{Unsigned2|11:15, September 10, 2023|Albertcscs}}<br />
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:It should be Virgil Finlay, not Findlay. Also, the one issue of this magazine on ISFDB misspells A. Merritt as A. Merrit in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for identifying the typos. I have updated publication/author/series Notes, added the 1938-04-10 issue and sent a note to SFE with updated information. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:25, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: It looks like there may be two separate issues here: magazine eligibility and cover artist eligibility.<br />
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:: Re: magazine eligibility, [[Help:Entering_non-genre_periodicals]] states that:<br />
::* In many cases a work of speculative fiction has been published in a periodical that does not specialize in such works. In particular, many well-known (and many not so well-known) speculative fiction stories were first published in non-genre periodicals. In such cases it is desirable to record such publications in order to make the bibliography of the story complete. However, the ISFDB is not a general-fiction index and the non-speculative-fiction contents of such a periodical should not be entered.<br />
:: This means that the only issues of ''The American Weekly Magazine'' that are eligible are issues with speculative ''fiction'' content. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?271686 "The American Weekly, April 3, 1938"] included part 1 of {{A|John Hawkins}}'s ''Ark of Fire'', so the 1938-04-03 magazine issue is eligible. According to [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/hawkins_ward SFE], the serialization was completed in the April 10 issue, so we will want to create an ISFDB record for the 1938-04-10 issue as well.<br />
:: Re: cover artist eligibility, in the past we didn't enter cover artists for non-genre magazine issues unless the cover illustrated a work of speculative fiction. This rule was changed in 2022 and all eligible issues of non-genre magazines can have cover artist names entered.<br />
:: Hope this helps! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:56, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Two editions with different text ==<br />
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I'm trying to enter a supernatural romance fantasy book which has two editions from day one, one with explicit erotic content and one without. Does this situation requires anything specific I need to do? [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 15:23, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Do you happen to know how significant the differences are? If they are minor, we could create two Publication records under a single Title record and document any discrepancies in the Notes fields. If they are major, we would need to create two separate Title records with a single Publication record associated with each one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:34, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::IIRC (I read the book last fall), there's two sex scenes that are excised from the "clean" edition. I will also clarify that the two edition have actual different titles, ISBNs and slightly different cover designs (reddish pink vs. blue), BTW --[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 11:31, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::What's the title? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Oh, two different titles. In that case we will want to enter them via two separate "New Novel" submissions, then link the two titles using a "Make This Title a Variant" submission. Since the only textual difference is the presence of two sex scenes, we can document this fact in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:56, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Turns out they may not be ''technically'' different titles, though other differences remain. I would personally treat the "blah blah edition" as part of the formal title for at least one of the versions, since that's how the author chose to do so on Amazon (they did not use "flirting with fangs edition" on the default erotica version). [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 14:55, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Checking [https://joydemorra.com/books/ Joy Demorra's Web site], I see two works which have two separate editions: "True Love Bites", a novel, and "Crewel Intentions", a short story. Each one has a "Fluff and Fangs" edition and a "Flirting With Fangs" edition with the terms defined as follows:<br />
::::::* Flirting With Fangs edition: full romance, lots of kissing, and all the '''steamy scenes''' for those who want them.<br />
::::::* Fluff and Fangs edition: full romance, lots of kissing, and a '''fade to black''' for those who like a little more fluff with their fangs.<br />
:::::: Checking Amazon's Look Inside, I note that "Flirting With Fangs" appears on the title page, which is what we use to determine publication title. I suspect that the best way to enter these books would be with their full titles, e.g. ""True Love Bites: Flirting With Fangs", and then to variant them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Trumpet of the Last Judgment ==<br />
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I have a Spanish title "La trompeta del juicio Final" as it is on ISFDB, but on Spanish language sites it's given as "La trompeta del Juicio Final". How should it be for us, considering the recent agreement about sentence case for Portuguese titles, and maybe Spanish as well...? Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:45, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible to change a title record from ESSAY to INTERVIEW ==<br />
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I'm in the process of adding a fanzine in a language I don't read especially well, and accidentally added one article as an ESSAY, when it should have been an INTERVIEW.<br />
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Is there a way to change the type of that title to INTERVIEW, or should I delete that erroneous ESSAY and add a new INTERVIEW title record to replace it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:23, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You will need to add a new interview record and delete the old essay record. I don't believe there is a way to change types to/from interviews and reviews. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:40, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - given that I've been reprimanded more than once for doing a delete/(re)create, rather than an edit/merge/whatever, I thought I'd better double check first :-) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:05, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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I think I posted this in the wrong place so I will try here:<br />
Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1)) <br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages price: 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy <br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb <br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original) <br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original) <br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb <br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb <br />
page 155 Futureboro (original) <br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction: The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books<br />
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Thank you, Roger<br />
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== Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?53929 Good Omens] short story "[https://web.archive.org/web/20061103202606/http://www.harpercollins.com/author/AuthorExtra.aspx?displayType=essay&authorID=7848 Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions]" by Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman was published in 2006, apparently on the HarperCollins website; would it be eligible for addition to ISFDB? If so, how should the story's publication be added: as a webzine? a chapbook? I don't know if the story has been republished in any books or more traditional publications. But since the story was co-written by Pratchett and Gaiman, it's considered part of the "official" Good Omens book canon by both [https://www.tumblr.com/neil-gaiman/705373626386530304/fuckyeahgoodomens-neil-gaiman-neil-gaiman Gaiman] and fansites like the [https://goodomenslexicon.org/frequently-asked-questions/ Good Omens Lexicon]. <br />
[[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 13:21, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover Images ==<br />
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Well, I'm having problems, and that's all there is to it. I'm finding that I can no longer copy images from Amazon. Is this me, or is this something new? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:46, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Are you referring to the latest mouseover zoom feature for the cover images? I've found that I can still right click while hovering over the zoomed image and select "Copy image address". When I paste the link address into the Image URL field, I now always have to remove the formatting info. I already miss the "See This Image" link which Amazon seems to have removed. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:49, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, this "improvement" sux!!! Plain and simple!! [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Still having trouble. Get a lot of "Image hosted by a site which we do not have permission to link to." Yet the image comes from Amazon! [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 03:54, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Can you provide a sample URL in this message as well as which book it is for? Also which Amazon site? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:10, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::You can see an example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5773878 here] from the book on Amazon [https://www.amazon.com/Misery-Kings-Closet-Anthology-Hidden-ebook/dp/B08HGRV479/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1695203913&sr=1-10 here]. The URL is [https://d374oxlv7wyffd.cloudfront.net/B08HGRV479/77cb6452/cover.jpeg here], which, of course, now doesn't work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:45, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::[https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51-SJKAvQfL._SY445_SX342_.jpg]; Try Amazon UK. When I add author images I get them from UK because since amazon.com screwed up their site last year or whenever it was their pages only show a single author photo whereas UK and many other foreign Amazon pages show the whole array of photos if there are more than one included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:59, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
<Outdent> Since I'm not a moderator and can't see the submission review, I'm assuming that you are trying to put the cover image URL in the pub record. If I hover the mouse over the cover image and right click to bring up the action menu and then choose "Copy image address", the copied URL looks like [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81h20I48GeL._SY466_.jpg this]". Since that URL contains formatting data (which starts with "._"), you need to remove that formatting data by deleting everything from the second to last period to the last period. In this case you are deleting "._SY466_" which leaves the correct URL as [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81h20I48GeL.jpg this]. I can't reproduce how you are getting a URL with a cloudfront.net address in it. I hope this helps. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 23:16, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image upload ==<br />
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I've [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THCTNDTHSC2003.jpg just uploaded] a new cover scan for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCTNDTHSC2003 this pub]. The pub is 'date unknown' and the pub ID is |Pub=THCTNDTHSC2003. I haven't linked the uploaded image to the pub yet, but when I do, the image file will be headed as 'File:THCTNDTHSC2003.jpg' and the Description will read as 'Gollancz / Orion Unknown year tp'. To me this looks peculiar. Is this an oversight or is it an expected outcome? The first available edit in the edit history shows the date change to 0000-00-00, so maybe it was 2003 before that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:46, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry I missed the question when it was posted. Your last guess is correct. When a new publication record is created, it gets assigned a "publication tag", in this case "THCTNDTHSC2003". The tag is a combination of the first 10 consonants in the title and the publication year. Subsequent edits do not change the "publication tag". That's why this pub's tag is still "THCTNDTHSC2003" even though the publication year has been changed to "0000-00-00".<br />
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: In most cases publication tags do not matter because the ISFDB software doesn't use them any more. The only exception is the image upload mechanism, which uses publication tags to create new Wiki pages/images. Hope this answers the question! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:05, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::It does indeed, and thanks for explaining that. I'm glad it's something simple.. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:36, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Serialized novels ==<br />
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How do I correctly record a set of serialized novels? We currently have title records for Star Trek: New Frontier novels [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042926 The Returned (Part 1)], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042928 The Returned (Part 2)], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042930 The Returned (Part 3)]. The titles match the title pages. These are three novel length portions of one novel published a month apart. Do I simply make each of the existing titles a variant of a new title named "The Return" and change the content record type for each of the three component title publications to Serial? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:11, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I do think it depends on the actual lengths of the portions: if they are each of shortfiction length (i. e. less than 40,000 words - the more likely case), you are right: but then the single publications would have to be transformed into CHAPBOOKs, each containing a SERIAL as content title (which you can just add). <br />
: If they are above 40,000 words (i. e. the parent novel does have more than 120,000 words [???]) you can really just do the varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:05, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Since they are all shown with Kindle page counts of 180 or more, I'm pretty sure they are novels. I am proceeding to do the varianting, etc. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:56, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sure! 120,000 sounds somewhat enormous, but seems quite regular these days. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:01, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::The variants are created. How do I set the content record type to Serial? I get an error when trying to do it by editing the pub records. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:17, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: The same way you convert novels to chapbooks when it is a novella- except that now it will be a serial. Add a chapbook record into the contents section, change the novel one to SERIAL and change the publication type to a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:57, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: You also need to change the parent title date to 2015. When the work has only been published in serial form, we use just the year. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:02, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Done. Thanks for the help. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:43, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Top Science Fiction" -- adding author intros ==<br />
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Hi. I have a copy of this to hand [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270633 Top Science Fiction: The Authors' Choice] and I note that the ISFDB entry does not list the authors' intros. It seems like it ought to, although they're just a few paragraphs before the story starts. Could-should I add them?<br />
[[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 19:05, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, that would be great! I assume they are by Josh Pachter? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:36, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::They're actually by the authors and aren't separated explicitly from the stories, which is why I was unsure about this. I'll go ahead and do it, and if it's undesirable it's easily reverted. [[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 21:26, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, just enter them as essays by the authors then. If they don't have explicit titles, give them the name of the story with "(introduction)" at the end. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:46, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. Thank you for the help! [[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 09:48, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Messy situation with a translated essay and author credit ==<br />
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I'm in the process of adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?973163 a Chinese fanzine] that is mostly translated articles, and I've encountered a case that I'm not sure I've handled optimally, but I'm not sure what the correct way to go is.<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3231621 This essay] is credited to "洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库 等", where the body of it is a Sinocization of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?303758 Laurențiu Nistorescu] with the trailing "等" indicating "et al". As such, I've credited the essay to 洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库, added a note for the "et al", and made that author an alternate for Laurențiu Nistorescu.<br />
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The problem comes in because [http://www.concatenation.org/europe/sf_romania_2.html the original online publication] doesn't clearly indicate the author(s). A footnote states "This article was a co-operative venture. Much is owed to Laurentiu Nistorescu (SF writer and journalist), Antuza Genescu and Dorin Davideanu (editor of the H. G. Wells Society zine Paradox).", but that feels like some unnamed editor assembled an English-language essay from articles by those authors, quite possibly in Romanian. As such I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3233285 that English essay] as by "uncredited", with the footnote copypasted into the note.<br />
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The problem comes in that the essay doesn't show up on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?303758 the Nistorescu author page] (which is understandable), nor [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369192 the alternate Chinese author page]. The latter seems bad for discoverability and understanding why that author record even exists.<br />
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Any thoughts on whether I should change how these essays have been recorded? A technical fix might be to not "hide" titles on the alternate author's page, if the parent title is logged against unknown/uncredited/etc, but I dunno how much work that would be, or even if it's desirable.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:25, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:One option:<br />
:*Credit the Chinese title to 洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库 and uncredited<br />
:*Credit the English title to Laurentiu Nistorescu, Antuza Genescu, Dorin Davideanu, Silviu Genescu, and uncredited<br />
:A simpler option: Delete the English essay record. As entered, it does not appear in an eligible publication. We only enter webzines, not any web essay. Everything entered in that record can be moved to the Chinese title record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:05, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I would also use the "A" template for {{A|Antuza Genescu}}, {{A|Dorin Davideanu}}, and {{A|Silviu Genescu}} since we have author records for them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:08, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks both. I'll update the author names to use the template.<br />
::: Re. the original "publication" - I appreciate the original isn't really eligible for inclusion in ISFDB, but I'm more interested in capturing the fact that the Chinese publication is a translation of an older essay, and I don't think there's any other way of recording that than creating an English (or whatever) title record to variant to? (Same as how translated webnovels get a parent title record, even though the original webnovel "publication" isn't really ISFDB-eligible.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:40, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The point about "translated webnovels get[ting] a parent title record" is an interesting one. I maintain a few publishers who do exactly that, e.g.:<br />
::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?61427 Cross Infinite World]: publishes English translations of Japanese light novels<br />
::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?72362 Magic Dome Books]/[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74983 Magic Dome Books and 1C-Publishing]: mostly publishes European (mostly Russian and Ukrainian, but also some German) authors, often in translation<br />
:::: Some of these translated novels were originally published in book form, but many original versions are Web novels and have not been published as books. I don't think we have a standard for these types of scenarios, which results in inconsistent dating: some parent titles are enter as "8888-00-00" while others use the date of the online publication. We probably need to discuss these issues on the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:51, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stuck submission? ==<br />
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Wondering my submission seems stuck?<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5773933<br />
Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:50, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I suspect that the moderators who reviewed the submission were not sure whether this "future history" book was a work of fiction. I have confirmed that it is indeed fiction, approved the submission and updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369536 author record]. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:38, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 12:19, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding "Pages to Fill: A Legends & Lattes Short Story" ==<br />
Greetings and felicitations. I'd like to add (or have someone else add) [https://www.travisbaldree.com/pages-to-fill "Pages to Fill: A Legends & Lattes Short Story"], a prequel to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2995100 the novel]. Besides the author's Web site, it is also available in the back of Tor's [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61457585-legends-lattes American hardcover edition] (though I don't have proof of that) and [https://books.apple.com/dk/audiobook/legends-lattes/id1629678565 apparently at the end of the audiobook] (see the full Publisher Description).<br />
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Unfortunately, I can't find instructions on how to do that (for SHORTFICTION), though other comments on this page hint at it. Help, please? —[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 00:15, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Amazon's Look Inside let me confirm that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3236839 "Pages to Fill"] indeed appears at the end of the hardcover edition published by Tor. The table of contents of their ebook edition mentions an "excerpt" from "Pages to Fill", but Look Inside doesn't display it. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?919465 hardcover pub] -- all I had to do was use "Edit This Pub" and add a SHORTFICTION title to the Content section. The version posted on the author's Web site has 9491 words, which makes it a novelette. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:46, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thank you, and I'm sorry about the deletion of discussions here—it was not only unintentional, I did not realize that I was doing it. —[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 03:28, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards ==<br />
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I can't find where to add an award that is not part of the awards list. I appreciate help. Thanks. {{unsigned|Antunes}}<br />
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: [[Help:Screen:AwardType]] says:<br />
:* Award Types define the types of awards (like the Hugo award) that ISFDB currently supports. Only ISFDB bureaucrats can create new award types. Only ISFDB moderators can edit existing award types. If you would like to have a new award type added or an existing award type modified, feel free to post your request on the [[Community Portal]].<br />
: Once a request has been posted in the Community Portal, it usually takes a few days to discuss it. If consensus is reached, then an ISFDB bureaucrat will add a new Award Type. HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:22, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author Directory ==<br />
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I've logged in, yet selecting any letter in the author directory returns that advanced search is restricted? {{Unsigned2|08:59, October 29, 2023|Acb13adm}}<br />
: Are you sure you are logged into the ISFDB as well as this wiki? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:24, 29 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Because the search function is not dependent on being logged in, the problem you are facing must be caused by something else.<br />
:: I do suppose you get the response 'Regular search doesn't support single character searches for names' using the regular search: that answer is intentional, because you wouldn't get the authors whose name begins with this letter but all authors whose name ''contain'' this letter at any position in their spelling (and this can easily lead to more than 100,000 authors to be displayed).<br />
:: If this ain't the problem you're facing: could you please describe more specifically what you're doing (and where), and what the exact wording of the response is? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:24, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Advanced Search requires you to be logged in. That was changed awhile back because of bots causing DB issues. So what is happening is expected behaviour if someone is not logged in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: That's right. Let me add a warning to the "Author Directory" page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:48, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:46, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== S. R. Cronin not on ISFDB ==<br />
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Locus just announced the passing of this author.<br />
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https://locusmag.com/2023/10/sherrie-cronin-1954-2023/<br />
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As far as I can tell, this author only appears on ISFDB in this record, under a different version of her name:<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43591<br />
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She self-published several fantasy novels in two series w/ Amazon.com Kindle delivery:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/s?k=s.+r.+cronin&i=stripbooks&crid=ZBEVKG7XIXYN&sprefix=s.+r.+cronin%2Cstripbooks%2C126&ref=nb_sb_noss<br />
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Should we index them? [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 13:13, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://archive.org/details/Asimovs_v03n11_1979-11/page/n119/mode/2up?view=theater; I saw that link in a StackExchange discussion where someone couldn't remember the title of this story. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:36, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: We definitely want her self-published books. I plan to add them tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:45, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: All of her books [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370261 have been entered] and an alternate name has been set up. Thanks for finding the obituary! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:04, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for handling this. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 17:39, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mafagafo Revista/Monthly issues inside a yearly folder ==<br />
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I hope this doesn't sounds confusing: I'm slowly adding issues of this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69927 Brazilian magazine], but how do I neatly tuck [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3242052 these] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3242049 two] (and other editions I still need to add manually) issues inside a neat early "folder" like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3185445 this] (i.e.: put them inside a Mafagafo - 2022 "folder")? Thanks in advance! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:46, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There is a Help page, [[Help:How to link a magazine to its wiki page and add it to a magazine series]], that discusses this topic. The top half is actually obsolete now that the ISFDB software builds issue grids automatically; the ISFDB Wiki is no longer used for this purpose. We'll need to remove the section.<br />
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: The bottom half, however, is still mostly accurate. Here are the relevant steps, edited to reflect the current state of the software:<br />
:* The EDITOR records of a magazine must first be merged by year using the steps listed below.<br />
:* Use Advanced Title Search to find the EDITOR records for issues published in a given year. The Title Search screen will list candidates for merging. <br />
:* Select the titles to be merged being careful not to select any titles that should not be merged. '''Only titles with the same editor(s) and year should be merged'''. See {{series|20701|this example}} where the editor credit changed in the middle of 1953.<br />
:* Review the displayed titles, then click Complete Merge. On the next Web page, select the title record with the earliest date. Note that the spelling of the title doesn't matter because it will be modified in the next step. The Moderator will review and approve the submission.<br />
:* Bring up the merged title record for editing. For example, "Strange Stories, April 1939" should be changed to "Strange Stories - 1939" and "Strange Stories" entered in the Series field. A moderator will review and approve the submission.<br />
:* Putting EDITOR records in the same series will result in "(View All Issues)" and "(View Issue Grid)" links appearing on all Web pages displaying individual issues.<br />
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: Please note the bolded statement above, i.e. "Only titles with the same editor(s) should be merged". In the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69927 ''Mafagafo''], the two 2022 issues that we currently have on file have different editors, so they shouldn't be merged. HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hm! This answers my question but raises another: Mafagafo always had the same editor-in-chief, which is Jana Bianchi (the one listed in the yearly merged links from 2018 and 2019). I think this is a lost-in-translation kind of situation, because the I've been crediting the other editions (from issue 2020 onwards) as "edited by [new person]", the "editor" in this case being the person who did the developmental edits/copyedits (the word "editor" means the both things in Portuguese), but Jana Bianchi was still the editor-in-chief. Considering how Strange Horizons is credited here (with the credited editor being only the editor-in-chief and not the fiction/developmental editors), should I go back and change all the issues to credit Jana Bianchi? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 23:11, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Generally, we only enter the name(s) of the Editor-in-Chief in the Author/Editor field. For example, consider the Wiki page [[Series:Air Wonder Stories]], which says (under "Staff"):<br />
:::* Hugo Gernsback, editor-in-chief.<br />
:::* David Lasser, Literary editor, July 1929-February 1930, Managing editor, March-Mary 1930. Despite his title Lasser was in effect managing editor for all issues.<br />
:::* M. E. Dame, Associate editor, April-May 1930.<br />
:::* A. L. Fierst, Associate editor, February-May 1930.<br />
:::* C. P. Mason, Associate editor, February-May 1930.<br />
::: When you check the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19341 corresponding "Series" page] in the database, you'll note that only Gernsback is credited.<br />
::: In this case I would enter "{{A|Jana Bianchi}}" in the Author/Editor field and document "guest editors", "fiction editors", "developmental editors", etc in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Ok, thanks! I'm gonna go back to those and credit Jana as the main editor, then. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 20:11, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved and ready for two "Title Merge" submissions, one for 2012 and the other one for 2022. You can either use Advanced Title Search or pull up {{A|Jana Bianchi}}'s Summary page, then click "Show All Titles" under "Editing Tools" and select titles to merge from the displayed list. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:44, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 'Star Wars Universe' vs 'Star Wars Universe/Star Wars' series ==<br />
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Can anyone explain the rationale for choosing which series to place 'independent' novels into? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:39, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== How to find magazine issue when story title is known ==<br />
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I am looking for the issue of the Analog or Fantasy & Science Fiction magazine containing a story titled "Gotlos".<br />
Thanks <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dulinje|Dulinje]] ([[User talk:Dulinje|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dulinje|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:Colin Kapp's {{T|51513|Gottlos}} appeared in {{P|57184|Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, November 1969}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:04, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:And for future reference, you can find what JLaTondre found by searching for the author listing (in this case, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1169 here]) using the search box at the top left side of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi main site] and find the story in their list of works. Clicking on the story title will take you to the {{T|51513|entry}} JLaTondre provided, where you'll be able to see where that story's been published. You can also search for the story title using that same search box. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:16, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::However, you need to know the correct spelling for ISFDB search to work. To find this story, I searched "Gotlos Analog or Fantasy & Science Fiction magazine" in Google and the first hit lead me to "Gottlos" and that it was in "Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, November 1969". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:15, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Synopsis can't be edited ==<br />
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I can't find the information on why a synopsis can't always be edited. Example: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3086815 [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 16:57, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'd say it is because the title is for a Chapbook which is a special type of container. Instead, edit the Shortfiction title of the same name that is included in the Chapbook. For your example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3086816 here]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 20:07, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right: we wouldn't want to add a synopsis to a CHAPBOOK: the enclosed piece of shortfiction may also be published in a COLLECTION or an ANTHOLOGY, and so it's more meaningful to add this information to the fiction title (and it's in the fiction where the plot unfolds). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Okaaay. Is it by design, that it's not obvious, that the text exists in 2 versions? With different nomination data? [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 03:19, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Chapbooks are a special case. The chapbook record is for the publication, not the text within the publication. The short fiction record is for the actual contents. Think of a chapbook as a single story collection if that helps. The award nomination should have been on the novella record and not on the chapbook record. I have fixed that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: And we do need a special container title type, even for a single piece of shortfiction: though that is the criterion that makes out a CHAPBOOK, there can be other title types that are published along the shortfiction, essays, for example, or pieces of interior art. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:58, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for all answers! [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 13:29, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::(This just to clarify content. [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 22:48, 1 December 2023 (EST))<br />
:Oh. One more question. It's possible to attach different tags to a chapbook and the story in it? There's a reason for handling tags this way and synopsis another way? [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 14:56, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Same story, different synopsis ==<br />
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This story has its own synopsis, so does the "original". The reason for this? https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?64178 [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 14:59, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786537 Edit History], I see that you added a synopsis to the Variant Title on 2023-10-09. I will ping [[User:Rtrace]], who approved the submission on 2023-10-17. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:30, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::When I review an edit adding a synopsis, I generally approve those without much investigation. Unless one is familiar with the title, there's no way to verify that the synopsis is correct, so this is a type of edit where I tend to trust that the submitter knows what they're doing. That being said, I don't recall that I've ever drilled down into the existing title record to see if it is a variant. If having synopses on both parent and variant title is a concern I can try to do so, but we may want to add a warning that the title being edited is a variant with a link to the parent title. The converse relationship (i.e. when editing the parent) is clear when reviewing the edit, but there's nothing on the review screen showing the parent title. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:41, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Checking our archives, I see the following [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 announcement]:<br />
:::* "Make Variant" has been updated to move "synopsis" data from the child title to the parent title. [This was {{FR|743}}, "Make This a Variant Title should move synopsis".]<br />
:::* Which reminds me. Are there scenarios where a VT with a synopsis makes sense? We have 1,636 of them, but I suspect that the vast majority are titles whose synopses were not moved to the parent record when they were varianted. I guess I should create a cleanup report for "VTs with synopsis data" and then we'll see if any are legitimate. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:41, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::** The cleanup report has been coded and deployed [this was {{FR|1501}}, "Create a cleanup report to find VTs with synopsis data."] The data will become available tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:57, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: As of this morning, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 the cleanup report had 1546 VTs with synopsis data]. If we can get a cleanup effort going, it should be possible to get all of them moved to the parent titles within a few days/weeks. If we don't come across any scenarios requiring that VTs have synopses, I could then change the software to make the Synopsis field not editable for VTs. It would be similar to the way CHAPBOOKs work. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:21, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have cleaned up a bunch and the report is now down to 1,500 titles. It is as I suspected: most just needed the synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles; some needed two synopsis entries reconciled; a few were in error, e.g. Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa or non-English synopses which are explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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:::: I plan to post my findings on the Community Portal tomorrow morning. I will also propose a software change to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:04, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: I spotted a couple of titles on the cleanup report with which I am familiar so have submitted edits to clean them up: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823387 The Engineer ReConditioned] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823388 The Long Afternoon of Earth]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:50, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:13, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== OLiver Whimsey ==<br />
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● I don't know if this subject has ever come up, but I would like to add a few coloring books, like [https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Beauty-Horror-Coloring-Adults/dp/B0CK3VFXFB/ref=sr_1_13?crid=1PMUI19A1YSMT&keywords=Oliver+Whimsy&qid=1701223836&s=books&sprefix=oliver+whimsy%2Cstripbooks%2C308&sr=1-13 Dark Beauty Horror Coloring Book for Adults] by Oliver Whimsey. I would think these books could qualify as art books. "He" has a number of fantasy oriented coloring/art books. Still, there might be rule against these, I'm good either way. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:21, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, coloring books do contain art and we have a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=coloring+book&type=All+Titles number of them on file]. However, the ones that are currently in the database are generally covered by the following Rule of Acquisition:<br />
:* ''Included'': Published non-fiction works about speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to published (as defined above) speculative fiction.<br />
: Examples include "Terry Pratchett's Discworld Coloring Book" and "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz Coloring Book".<br />
: Can Oliver Whimsey's ''Dark Beauty Horror Coloring Book for Adults'' be plausibly linked to published (as defined above) speculative fiction? Or it is standalone horror art? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:43, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::They seem to be stand-alones. Nice art, but again, I'll go with the majority here. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:02, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crown of Starlight ==<br />
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Recently watched a YouTube video about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3260929 this fantasy] and I have added it to this website. But, I'm not sure if I did it correctly. Could somebody in the know check out my listing and let me know if it was done correctly. The YouTube video on this book and it's author is attached to my listing. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:29, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== TOXIN - By Robin Cook ==<br />
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In the book jacket it says, “Determined to be a good father to his only son, newly divorced surgeon Dr. Kim Regis takes Selden to his favorite fast food restaurant…” In the book itself, the child is a girl (daughter) named Becky. Also, the doctor’s name is spelled REGGIS- not REGIS. In the book jacket it says “…the boy dies within hours…” whereas in the text the (girl) dies in 5 days.<br />
How does this type of error happen? I’m sure thousands of copies of this book were printed. I’m just curious.<br />
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Please reply to ronlibutti@gmail.com<br />
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Thank you. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:RONLIBUTTI|RONLIBUTTI]] ([[User talk:RONLIBUTTI|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RONLIBUTTI|contribs]]) .</small> 22:53, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:We apologize for any confusion. We are not the author or the publisher, so we don't have an answer for your question. If we were to venture a guess, it's likely the story was modified slightly between the time the back cover copy was written and the book contents were finalized, and no one noticed the discrepancies. It happens here and there in the publishing world. You're welcome to contact the publisher or the author through their respective websites if you wish. This would allow them to correct it for future printings. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:11, 8 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Excerpted only in translation ==<br />
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I believe that the convention for entering an excerpt is that it takes the date of excerpt publication and stands alone, not being made a variant of the work excerpted from. That's the way I've been doing them. However, I've just come up against this question: what about a translated excerpt when only the excerpt has been translated, not the entire original? Looking for the first foreign titles listed with "(excerpt)" I find [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2870369 Джанга с тенями (excerpt)], which is dated the same as the English translation, and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2611693 Мы (excerpt)], which is dated 8888-00-00, or unpublished. The latter makes a lot more sense to me. I would even add a note confirming that the full original work was not translated. Possibly someone can direct me to a Rules page that clarifies this; otherwise, is there a consensus? -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:21, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I don't know if there's a consensus, but I do think that from the rules your assumption is more meaningful: we have the rule that titles have to bear the date of their first publication, and thus a title where we know (or can safely assume) that it was not published should be marked as such ('8888-00-00'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:39, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I think I'll go ahead that way on the relevant entries in an anthology I listed a few days ago, so the story and essay excerpts in Italian show at least some sort of source. Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 09:43, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== LInda Barrett ==<br />
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Well, I've done it again. Somehow I messed up the serial that can be found [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?270222 here], and I don't how to fix it. Can I get any help? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:15, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It looks like you made part 1 a variant of part 2. Instead, both should have been made a variant of a new title. You should be able to fix this by making part 2 a variant of a new title (use Option 2 of the Make Variant Title screen). Since the software doesn't allow variants of variants, it will automatically move part 1 to be a variant of the new title also. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Carnegie Medal ==<br />
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sorry if this is the wrong place for this question.<br />
The carnegies have only had a list of nominees since 2003, prior to that in many years they had two other awards as well as the winner namely "Commended" and "Highly Commended". Is It possible to have these categories added to the list of options? if not then how should they be categorised? nominee with a note to say what they actually are?<br />
cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 15:22, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Let me first clarify that "award categories" are for different types of awards given by the same award committee/body. For example, consider the list of categories for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?26 the International Horror Guild Award]: Best Novel, Best First Novel, Best Short Story, Best Non-Fiction, Best Artist, Best Periodical, Best TV, etc.<br />
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: On the other hand, what you are describing is non-standard "award levels", which are different animals. At this time, we do not have support for them. You could enter their Award Levels either:<br />
:* as "Nomination", or<br />
:* as "Special" followed by selecting "Honorable Mentions" from the drop-down list<br />
: Either way, please explain the details in the Notes field. Award Notes appear in hover-over "informational" bubbles displayed on Award pages, e.g. if you display the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?618+1 main page for the Carnegie Medal category], you will notice a little "i" next to the word "Win" for 1947. If you hover your cursor over it, it will display the associated award record's Note, in this case "First collection to win the award, and first time previously published works were considered." Hope this helps! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:29, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate it was award levels i meant. Just done one using honourable mentions and note with the note saying: Received the designation "Commended". I'll stick with that if youre happy. {{unsigned|Faustus}}<br />
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::: Thanks, I have approved the submission -- [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?79774 here is the result]. I also updated the Note field to indicate where the data came from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 07:59, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: Got it- i'll follow that format for the others. cheers - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 08:40, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== 1 Novel + 1 Short fiction = Omnibus/Collection/Novel? ==<br />
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If a book consists of a novel and a shorter work both of which have previously been published seperately then what type is it?<br />
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This one is an {{P|544825|OMNIBUS}}<br />
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This one is a {{P|360668|COLLECTION}}<br />
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This one's a {{P|51365|NOVEL}}<br />
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The Benford novelette is set in the same universe as the novel - does that have any bearing on Pub Type?<br />
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from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:24, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:It can be classified as a NOVEL or a COLLECTION. From the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type Publication Type] help section<br />
:: "NOVEL. Used when the book is devoted to a single work of fiction. The addition of multiple short stories makes the book a collection, not a novel (A single story is a judgment call, see below). However, sample chapters placed at the end of a book for advertising reasons do not make a novel into a collection. If a book is packaged as a single volume work, and then republished as a multi-volume work, all the publications are novels; there is no need to classify the single volume work as an omnibus. Conversely, if a book is originally published as multiple volumes, and republished as a single volume, the latter is a novel unless the presentation within the single volume makes it clear that the works are presented as separate novels. Sometimes a novel is bound with a single short work of fiction by the same author (an example is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMSNCHNTD2000 this edition of The Misenchanted Sword]). In such a case it is often preferred to class the publication as a novel with a "Bonus story" rather than a 2-item collection or omnibus. This is particularly true if the publication has the same title as the novel. It is a judgment call, however." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::Thanks, i'd read the collection and omnibus bits of that help page but somehow didnt look at NOVEL. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:23, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== My typo in a canonical name ==<br />
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I mistyped Linda Burroughs as LInda Burroughs and now that it's been entered as a canonical name I can't correct it. I tried doing so on the title page for her one essay so far, but the software matched Linda with LInda and that edit went through without the change. Could a moderator fix that typo on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?374390 Author Record] page? Thanks. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:52, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:As requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:25, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thank you, John.--Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 17:19, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A question about variants with pseudonyms ==<br />
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I'm generally fine with creating variants but need some clarification for this situation. The publication is written under a pseudonym. The title page shows the author as another pseudonym "writing as". Fine so far but the existing canonical author record has the author's canonical name plus an additional author. Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22551 Satellite B.C.] which has the canonical authors as John S. Glasby and Arthur Roberts. I added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?992906 ebook edition] whose title page shows "John Glasby writing as Rand Le Page" using the Rand Le Page pseudonym. I feel like there should be a variant created but am not sure if that's true. What should I do? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:07, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:The author field help attempts to cover this:<br />
::Alternate Names. ''If you know that a particular author's name is an alternate name, enter that alternate name rather than changing it to the canonical name. If the title page shows both an original and a subsequent name, use the original name. For example, Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books were originally published under the pseudonym of Paul French, but later reprints were given both names: '''"by Isaac Asimov, writing as Paul French". In these cases you should still enter Paul French as the author and record the dual credit in the notes.''' If the cover shows both names but the title page shows only one name, use the name from the title page -- no matter which it is -- and record the discrepancy with the cover credit in the notes. When a book is known to be ghost-written, this should be treated as an alternate name; the ghost-writer will eventually show up as having an alternate name of the well-known author, but that data is not entered via this field.'' (my emphasis)<br />
:The credit should be to Rand Le Page. The variant would go to the canonical name, which is John S. Glasby. The software does not permit a variant of a variant, so there would be no intermediate record with the John Glasby credit. If we believe the work is by both Glasby and Roberts, then the variant would go to a record using two author credits for John S. Glasby and Arthur Roberts -- always to the canonical. Unless it were ever published as credited solely to "John Glasby", there will be no variant with that credit. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:56, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks. That's how I did it but somehow didn't see the guidance in the Help to reassure me that I had done it correctly. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:53, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Restoring cancelled submission==<br />
Is there any way to easily restore/resubmit a submission I accidentally cancelled (other than reenter everything)? 5883840 if it can be done. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:27, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: A moderator can unreject. Which I had done. It is back to being active and in the queue. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:53, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::10000 thank yous. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:47, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
== interviews jump to continuation page==<br />
When entering an interview with multiple authors interviewed in a publication, when the article starts on say page 1 and the first author is interviewed there, and the continuation of the article jumps to say page 10 and interviews more authors, is it better to just add additional authors to the interview listing with the first page <br />
number, or to add them as another interview with the second page number and the same title? I can't decide which is more logical. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:12, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Adding alternate name ==<br />
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Colombian author Rodrigo Bastidas Pérez [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?329980] [https://latinamericanliteraturetoday.org/lal_author/rodrigo-bastidas-perez/] also appears to use the nameRodrigo Bastidas [https://co.linkedin.com/in/rodrigo-bastidas-9aab39191] [https://latinamericanliteraturetoday.org/lal_author/rodrigo-bastidas-perez/] so if anybody could add it, please? Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:30, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:The ISFDB is a publication driven database. An author record will be created the first time "Rodrigo Bastidas" is credited to a title. After creation, go to the newly created author record. Select 'Make/Remove Alternate Name' from the Editing Tools menu. Put 'Rodrigo Bastidas Pérez' in the Parent name field or 329980 in the Parent Record # field. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:42, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:56, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Adding web-published short fiction? ==<br />
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General question: https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub seems to list everything ''except'' a new piece of short fiction (New Anthology, New Chapbook, New Collection, New Fanzine, New Magazine, New Nonfiction, New Novel, and New Omnibus). How does one add one? <br />
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More specifically, how would one add Andy Weir’s latest short story, “The Martian: Lost Sols” (https://galactanet.com/lostsols.pdf)?<br />
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(A more complicated issue might be whether to count it as either part of a new ''The Martian'' series, or as just a missing part of the novel.)<br />
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— [[User:FlaSheridn|FlaSheridn]] ([[User talk:FlaSheridn|talk]]) 19:42, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:A publication of a single work of short fiction is handled in the ISFDB as a CHAPBOOK, which you should think of as a one-story COLLECTION. So you use Add New Chapbook. We would consider a PDF an "ebook". It will seem redundant, but within that new record, you would add one entry in the "Regular Titles" (content) section for the short story. See some details in the CHAPBOOK sub-bullet of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type]]. It is normal for both the CHAPBOOK and the SHORTFICTION records to have the same title text, but that is not required. If the story belongs in the series, add the series to the SHORTFICTION record (which will only be available after the initial submission is accepted), not to the CHAPBOOK. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 21:31, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Financial contributions ==<br />
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Is there a way to make a monthly financial contribution to your site? {{Unsigned2|16:35, February 21, 2024| Jeradcentipedepress.com}}<br />
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: Not at the moment, but let me check with Al von Ruff who currently handles server issues. Thanks for the thought! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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— [[User:FlaSheridn|FlaSheridn]] ([[User talk:FlaSheridn|talk]]) 21:07, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Not at the moment. but the site isn't particularly expensive to operate. I'll be looking into creating a 501c later this year, mostly to ensure the longevity of the site, but that would also allow for official financial contributions. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 16:43, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== (in error) credit to cover artist / Beloved Exile ==<br />
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What steps should I take to fix up the cover artist for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?643609 Beloved Exile]?<br />
My 2nd printing has a copyright page credit and signature on the artwork crediting 'Heide Oberheide'. <br />
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It seems I should edit the 'Author 1' name in the record, but am unsure how to create the 'Tom Canty (in error)' record linkage. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:13, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:It's unfortunately complicated. What you'd need to do is separate the publications so that the AvoNova pub has a COVERART record of its own that is not shared with the two Bantam pubs. Then make the AvoNova's credit be "Tom Canty (in error)" instead of "Tom Canty", and make the title the two Bantam pubs share be credited to "Heide Oberheide" instead of "Tom Canty". Then both the fixed "Heide Oberheide" one and the "Tom Canty (in error)" one would need to be made variants of one credited to "Heidi Oberheide" (her canonical name), "Tom Canty (in error)" would need to be made an alternate name for Heidi Oberheide, and the lingering old parent title credited to Thomas Canty would need to be deleted. It would take quite a few submissions and a few wait-for-approval pauses. I'd be happy to do this for you, if you want, or you're welcome to try it yourself. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:38, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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Please do. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:16, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:The two Bantam editions have different credits (one "Heidi", the other "Heide") and also needed to be separated. Final result is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3292598 here]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:19, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3292602 Хищник]==<br />
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I need some help from anybody who knows Russian. I just listed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3292602 Хищник]. I did the best I could, but I <b>know</b> I must of gotten something wrong. I had to spell out the authors' names from by "Symbol" program on my word program and I'm sure I did something wrong. Could somebody check this out and let me know what I did wrong? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:09, 14 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:36, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Novel Ideas—Science Fiction ==<br />
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We go by the title page of books, not the cover or copyright page. So even if books in a series look differently because of that, we do not normalize the title to match. <br />
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As it sounds like you may have the book, can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4678775 this one] and check what is on the title page? If the two authors are there, I can approve (and we need to update the book as well); if it is not - then you can add notes but we will need to leave the book as is. <br />
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Thanks for the update and welcome again! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:39, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Both books have just Thomsen on the title page. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
:: Then I will need to reject the edit. Do you have a handy link to the other book so I can look at it and fix it? Also - if you have the book, had you thought of verifying it? <br />
:: One small operational thing - the plus sign opens a new topic in the Discussion page, if you are responding to an existing one, there is a small "edit" next to the title of the item you are responding to:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Here's the link: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82007<br />
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Not sure what your verification operation consists of. I'll have to do some more reading on how the site works. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
: When you do a primary verification, you are saying "I have the book. All the details listed on this record are as in my book (or I noted the differences in the notes". If you have the book from a library for example, you can do Transient Primary (aka - I checked a real book and the details match - but I do not have the book anymore". When you do a PV (Primary Verification - Transient or Permanent), you will get notified on changes in the record (there is a Changed Primary menu on your page; for big changes people will post here) and if someone wants to change something and you are around, you may be asked if you can check the book again to verify something someone else claims. More details [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Verify here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_verify_data#Primary_Verification here]. <br />
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: About the book - the look inside into the [https://www.amazon.com/Novel-Ideas-Fantasy-Brian-M-Thomsen-ebook/dp/B002VFPRV4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=#reader_B002VFPRV4 Kindle book] shows both names on the title page. So looks like we have a difference between the paperback and the ebook? Won't be the first... We can easily change that - would you like to try? I think I may have this book somewhere as well so will see if I can find it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:04, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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It's not clear to me what you're suggesting I try. (Although I'm willing to give it a whirl). {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
: To submit an update of the authors for the book (as based on what you see on the title page of yours, our record is a bit faulty). Or I can submit it if you prefer? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:08, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Legends ==<br />
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What is on the title page [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4678651 on this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Legends - Edited by Margaret Weis with Janet Pack and Robin Crew<br />
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:Earth, Air, Fire, Water - Edited by Margaret Weis with Robyn McGrew and Janet Pack<br />
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:Seems likely to be a typo, but I understand you need rules to prioritize conflicting information.<br />
:In support of it probably being a typo, the acknowledgment page credits Weise, Pack, and Robin McGrew as the copyright owners of the prologue. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
:: If the title page says Robin Crew, our record remains like that. But as it is indeed obviously a typo (based on how OCLC had added both books for example and the copyright notes), we variant to the correct author and add a note on the discrepancy. I've done the needed variants and added notes. Thanks for finding this one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:00, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Terribly Twisted Tales ==<br />
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To add the contents to {{P|282222|Terribly Twisted Tales}}, there are two options:<br />
# You can go to the publication page and click "Edit This Pub" in the left menu. In the edit screen, scroll down to the "Regular Titles" section and click the "Add Title" button. This will add a row where you can add the page number, title, author, etc. Repeat for each story. If there are reviews or interviews, enter under their respective sections. When done submit.<br />
# If the stories are already in the database, they can be imported. This is the preferred method (as the above would create duplicates that would then need to be merged), but is more complex. To do this, also go to the publication page, but click "Import Content" in the left menu. In a separate window, find the title record for a story to import. Copy the URL and past into the "Title 1" box under the "Option 2" portion of the import screen. For additional titles, click the plus sign and repeat in Title 2, etc. When done, click the "Import Titles", add the page numbers on the following screen, and submit.<br />
Hope that helps. Let us us know if you have more questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:17, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I guess I should have waited longer, but as I couldn't seem to add a question to the 'help' page, I tried re-adding the book as new entry with interior title info.<br />
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:Think I'll wait for more instructions before digging the hole even deeper.<br />
:See http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4682913 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GlennMcG|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::No problem. Sometimes we get a little backed up. You can always post at [[ISFDB:Help desk]] which usually gets a faster response. To avoid you having to redo work, I have accepted the new version and deleted the old one. When we have generic titles like Introduction or Foreword, we add the publication title in parenthesis after the title. This is to avoid an author's page being filled with a series of "Introduction" and no easy way to tell them apart. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I had tried to ask the question on the help page, but got a write permission error.<br />
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Also, this move lost the cover art linkage from the old record.<br />
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== Please sign your name ==<br />
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Please sign your name on talk pages and discussion boards using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will insert your name and the date. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:41, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:There is also a button in the toolbar above the edit window (the second to last that looks like a signature) which will insert the syntax so you don't have to type it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:44, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:00, 19 June 2020 (EDT) Ok<br />
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Although it does seem odd that the site software doesn't sign things auto-magically, as you need to be signed in to play the game. [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:03, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Edge of Running Water ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|780259|The Edge of Running Water}}, but made a couple of changes:<br />
*Standardized the publisher to Editions for the Armed Services<br />
*Removed Armed Services Editions from the pub series. It is redundant with the publisher and not really a pub series since every book published by this publisher was marked as that.<br />
*Changed the page count to 352. When there is a single unnumbered page after the numbered page, we just include it in the numbered pages. If there were multiple unnumbered pages (say 5, for example), then it would be entered as 352+5.<br />
*Changed the price to $0.00 and moved the text to the pub notes. Prices should be currency symbol and number only. Any explanations go in the notes.<br />
*I added the date based on the catalog id as sourced to Wikipedia.<br />
Thanks for adding this. Regarding your note on adding the cover image: Now that the pub is entered, there is a "Upload cover scan" link below he pub notes. You would use that to upload the scan and then edit the publication to add the resultant link to the scan. There is a link to the help page in the welcome message above. If you have any questions, please let us know. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:57, 26 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Grantville Gazette VII ==<br />
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I accepted the changes to {{P|572601|Grantville Gazette VII}}, but kept the original "By Hook or by Crook". It was easier to edit the title of the existing record to make the capitalization change. Actually, it would have been easier to edit all three titles instead, but as they appear in other verified pubs, we will have to run that by those verifiers. So I accepted for this pub and will have the other verifiers check their pubs. Once confirmed, I will merge or variant as necessary. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:53, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Did you see the response I made in my talk pages? I believe the usual practice is to respond to the question where it is asked. Thanks for spotting the problems. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 08:58, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::The cover of the paperback version is slightly different that the covers of the HC and TP versions of this book. I had scanned my cover and added it to the ISFDB, but it disappeared when the incorrect book was deleted. If you copy has a clean cover, can you scan it and replace the cover of the PB version? [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 10:02, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Just noticed the "Best Selling" medallion is in a different location. I'll upload a scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:29, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! Much better than my old cover. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 12:26, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The E.S.P. Worm ==<br />
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When changing data in a publication with active primary verifiers, please check with another verifier first. Beyond a courtesy, we have found that this occasionally reveals the existence of a different version (99% of the time it's a database error, but sometimes it's not). I checked with Rtrace and he confirmed your change so I accepted it. I have also unmerged it from the other versions using Robert E. Margroff and created a variant title. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:41, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Castle Fantastic ==<br />
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For {{P|6269|Castle Fantastic}}, I have had to reject your edit. Instead of creating a new title, simply edit publication and change the existing title. This avoids having to remove and delete the old one. When a title is only in a single publication, it can be edited from that publication (it will not be grayed out). Please resubmit with just correcting the existing record. After that is approved, it will show up under {{A|Linda Dunn}} and need to be varianted to {{A|Linda J. Dunn}} (as described with Carolyn Gilman's title on my talk page). From you moderator note, it sounds like you have this pub. Please consider primary verifying it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:56, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest for the Spear ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|68403|Quest for the Spear}}.<br />
*Title: I debated about this. These days, if a publication title is of the format of "Series Name: Book Name" (or vice versa), we only record the book name and leave the series for the series field. However, this was a one off. There were other films, though. I went with it as a series name. If you feel different, let me know and I will reverse it. <br />
*Prologue: Does this stand on its own? Like it would be reprinted elsewhere? If not, we would include it as part of the novel and not list it separately.<br />
*Introduction: Yes, we would normally include essay introductions. If it was a fictional introduction, then it would fall into the same category as the prologue, but an essay gets indexed. As for page number, the preferred method would be to count the unnumbered pages and enter the "page number" in brackets [] to indicate unnumbered. The other choice is to use "bp" to indicate unnumbered pages that precede pagination (this is what I typically do). <br />
Let me know what you think about the title and whether we should remove the prologue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:57, 6 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:It's fine as a series. I'll remove the prologue, as it's not standalone. (Just late 4th century A.D. setup for modern times). 'bp' seems easier, but what would I use for the first of five pages before page one? [i]? [-4]? [-5]? [1]? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:01, 6 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I would probably go with [i] as that implies front pages, but you could also go with [1]. The key is to explain the situation in the notes (ex. "Introduction starts on the first of five unnumbered pages before the novel" or something similar). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:45, 7 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I tweaked it per your suggestions, but was wondering if there was a way to have the introduction show up before the main novel in the title list.<br />
--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:31, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Use pipe in the page number. [1]|5 will sort as 5 for example. If the page number contains | (pipe), the number after it is used for sorting while the one before it is shown. If there is no pipe, the number is used for both - think of 3 being a short way to write 3|3 for example. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Steal the Galaxy! ==<br />
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A few small things:<br />
* You do not need <nowiki><br></nowiki> on every line -- we used to but the software changed 10 years or so ago. We just never cleaned up all the old ones (and some editors keep adding them). The first one (on the first line) is the only one that makes sense and any difference (as it will put you under the line that starts with Notes on the pub page)<br />
* The issue of Locus where the book was listed is interesting information and I hate losing it when editors edit. So I restored it here. <br />
See the changes [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638864 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:24, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Enemies of Fortune ==<br />
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Putting "Delete" as the page number will not automatically delete a title - we use that when there are multiple changes in the book so we do not lose track (and if the handling moderator decides to, they can do the Remove) but a change that only changes this is unneeded. What you need to do is to submit a "Remove Titles From This Pub" request instead -- go to the left menu and locate the link for that. For this book, it will open [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/rmtitles.cgi?256791 this]. Select the title you want to remove and submit the removal. <br />
I rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4694544 this]. I can do the Remove or you can try (so you know how to do it next time) :) Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:28, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I can do that, but when I changed the title the first time following instructions that worked previously it failed this way. (Add replacement title, marking the original to substitute). Am I in this boat because that edit failed to work, and this is the appropriate fixup? Or should I have done it differently in the first place? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No, it worked exactly as it was supposed to. You just did not have an invisible helper this time. :) If you want a title out from a publication, someone needs to send a Remove submission - you or the moderator who approved that first edit. When you mark the title as you did initially (with *** or deleted in the page number), you have a 50/50 chance of a moderator simply making the Remove for you silently post approval. <br />
:: Last time it appeared to work because the approving moderator made the Remove Titles submissions after they approved your edit and probably never came to tell you that there is one more step to be done in such cases (which they had done). With new editors, we all try to shield them a bit from the more complicated and annoying parts of the DB so we will do a lot of additional submissions and fixes post approval. I usually would still stop by and explain what I had to do in addition to the already done but... Some moderators will, some won't - depends on how busy one is and sometimes depends on how concentrated one is. Hope that makes sense. <br />
:: PS: Do not submit Remove in parallel to Pub Edit -- if the Remove is approved first, the Pub Edit will fail. As it is a 2 step process, I tend to assist and make the Remove when I approve such edits - you did the work of marking it, I can as well make the other submission when I do not get distracted. But different moderators work differently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:12, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: So, basically double check all my approved edits, and finish up what doesn't happen auto-magically by editor. :) --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:16, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep. Plus this also allows you to spot other things you missed the first time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forge of Virtue ==<br />
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Another little tip: When a submission is approved, the "old" data is lost. So when adding notes in the cases when there is a PV already such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4695002 here] instead of stating the obvious "Notes update pre-PVing" which is as good as not adding a note at all, list the changes you are making ("copyright, number line, first printing added" for example). This way someone looking at the history can see what data was verified when. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:34, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. I thought I read somewhere that the note to the moderator wasn't retained, and therefore wouldn't show up in history. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:39, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is not retained as part of the title/publication record itself but if you go to the submission itself (via History (this feature is very new), "My Changed Primary" (a few years old - and which is how now we do not require you to post on every PV page every time you touch a PV-ed publication - which used to be the rule before) or via the Recent Edits), it is there on the submission. :) So you should not put important information there but stuff like "what changed" belongs there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:52, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Patricia Mathews ==<br />
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You started off correctly editing the parent entries and then veered into editing the variant entries (which is incorrect). I accepted the couple correct ones, but will be rejecting all of the incorrect ones. I will explain the difference in a minute, but want to post this message now as you are continuing to make edits that will need to be rejected. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:14, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I know where I went off the rails. I'll start up again when you give the word. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:17, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I typed the following before seeing your response so am going to go ahead and post it just in case: Titles should be credited as per the publication. If the publication uses a non-canonical name for an author, we variant the title to the canonical name. The variant will have the credit used in the publication and the parent will have the canonical author name. To fix these stories, the '''''parent''''' needs to be edited so that the variant keeps the form used in the publication and the parent shows up under the canonical author's page. Most of your submission have been changing the '''''variant''''' which means you are changing the form used in the publication and still leaving it under the {{A|Patricia Matthews}} author's page. I will leave the edits on hold for now. If you click on "My Pending Edits", you will see what you were changing. From there you can go to the parent record and edit it instead. That may make it easier so you don't have re-research each one. When you are done, you can either cancel your held edits or I will reject them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:29, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'm cancelling now, and will edit the parents. It turns out I can't find any entries that make sense for 'Patricia Matthews'. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:31, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I've edited a parent. When approved, I'll follow suit for the others. Sorry about the extra work for you. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:36, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. It's part of the learning process of how things work here, so no problems. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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"There Is Always an Alternative" is an interesting case as there is publication under the parent title as well. The data for publication that comes from secondary sources. I will check into it and see if that credit is correct or not. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:01, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It should have been one "t" as well. Fixed. Thanks for finding these. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:18, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Song ==<br />
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I approved your edit to {{P|355301|Blood Song}}. However, you left the prior "Data from Amazon (date) and Locus Magazine #608 as of 2012-09-08" statement, but you primary verified it. When a publication is primary verified, the expectation is that the data is from the publication iteself. If any information in a primary verified publication comes from secondary sources, than it should explicitly state which information (ex. "Cover artist not credited. Cover artist from artist's website."). The statement should either be removed or edited. If the date is Amazon than it should say "Date from Amazon as of ...", but the way it is written says the date is from Amazon and the rest of the information from Locus. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:45, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Same with {{P|462375|To Dance with the Devil}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hmmm. I read "Data from Amazon (date) and Locus Magazine #608 as of 2012-09-08." as the entry was created with data from both Amazon(the date), and the rest from Locus, on 2012-09-08. The date in the entry (from Amazon) is more specific than the year/month on the copyright page. Perhaps something like:<br />
::* Exact publication date from Amazon<br />
::* Listed in Locus #608<br />
::* my stuff<br />
::<small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GlennMcG|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:::Looks good. Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:46, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Castaways in Time ==<br />
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You managed to double verify {{P|6252|Castaways in Time}}. Not a big deal, but you may want to remove one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:26, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: How would one do that? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:51, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Lol. That's a good question. You could probably unverify (which would hopefully remove both) and reverify. But now that I think about it, it shouldn't be possible to get in that state the way the GUI works these days. I will point Ahasuerus to this discussion in case there is a bug he would want to look into. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:35, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, I don't see a way to modify/remove verifications in any way. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:43, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::To remove or change a verification, click on "Verify This Pub" this pub again. If you have already verified it, the options will now be "No verification" and "Transient verification" (assuming you permanently verified it). This allows undoing a mistaken verification or changing the status of a verification (in case you are downsizing your collection or have bought a book you previously transient verified). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:09, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Nightshifted ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4696564 this edit]. It looks like you cloned the second printing to create the first? We already have the {{P|380940|first printing}}. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:50, 13 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Yep, must have missed it somehow. I'll cancel the edit, and PV the 1st printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:02, 13 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Remains ==<br />
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For {{P|37945|The Dark Remains}} & other recent additions, you added a note of "Maps by Karen Wallace". Is there a reason you just didn't add the maps as interior art? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Because I didn't know that was appropriate. What would you like me to do? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:06, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:We generally include them so I'd add them. They are entered as interior art. For title, 1) if the map has title "Given Title (map)"; 2) if the map is not titled, "Book Title (map)"; and if the same map is used in multiple books of the series and is not titled, you could use "Series Title (map)". If there are multiple maps, than use "maps" instead of "map" in the parenthesis. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:02, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Replacing cover images ==<br />
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When replacing cover images that are already on the wiki, please don't upload at a new location. Instead, upload over the existing image. To do that, go to the image page (example [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992.jpg]]) and use the "Upload a new version of this file" at the bottom of the page. It will warn you that are overwriting an existing image, but just go ahead. If someone else uploaded the prior image, edit the image page after uploading and change the name in the source field to your user name. You will not need to re-edit the publication entry as it will already be linked. However, due to a bug with our wiki software, your browser may not show the new image unless you force a cache refresh (typically a shift F5). This avoids unused & duplicate images on the wiki. <br />
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For {{P|THRGHTHCTK1992|Through the Ice}}, I moved the image you uploaded at [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992-2.jpg]] over to [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992.jpg]] and deleted the former. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:07, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I was concerned that if I used the same name it would overwrite the old image, and make it impossible to refuse the edit. So this is a function that is not moderated? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:11, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Correct. Image uploading is not moderated. But we do pay attention to it so if something goes wrong, it can be fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:52, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ancient One ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4703666 this submission]: Is this 6th printing actually listed in Locus with the specified printing date? Or when cloning {{P|262496|this record}} did the date and note not get removed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:16, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I missed removing the Locus reference in the cloning process. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:02, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Approved & removed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:03, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kisssing Sin (excerpt) ==<br />
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In {{P|96661|Tempting Evil}}, should be the second excerpt be "Kissing Sin" (two s's) instead of the current three s's? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:26, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Although 3 times is a charm, 2 is the right call here. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:13, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Changed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:02, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Survival ==<br />
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For {{P|687731|Survival}}, I accepted the edit, but changed the date to match the publication statement. Per the current rules ([[:Template:PublicationFields:Year]], last bullet), we use the date listed in the publication as the official date. If a secondary source provides a more precise date, it is acceptable to refine the precision (ex. add a day to a year & month only). If a secondary source contradicts the publication, we still use the publication's date and the secondary source information can go into the pub notes. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Got it. I think I was intuiting a more numeric approach to approximations, but understand the rationale. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:56, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iorich ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4714399 your update submission] on hold, as I suspect that you inadvertently updated the wrong record. There's a mass market record already available [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?651379 here], PV'd by Taweiss. You may want to cancel your submission, remove your PV from the 2010 record, and PV the latter instead. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:41, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. In some ways, I wonder whether the 2010 pb existed at all. I actively collect Brust and would have picked up then, rather than waiting until 2018 to grab it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:04, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Looking at the date of the addition to the site and the date of the book (it is added 2 and a half months before the pub date), it won't surprise me if it was announced but never made it out indeed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:10, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding an interview to the contents ==<br />
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Hello. You added in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4714801 this submission] an interview as an essay, with both the interviewee (Robert Buettner) as well as the interviewer (uncredited) as authors. Better is to have this entered as an actual INTERVIEW record - unless of course Robert Buettner happens to be the actual ''author'' of the interview? Let me know if you would want to change the title from ESSAY to INTERVIEW yourself, or if you prefer I do that for you. I've put the submission on hold for the moment. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:55, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I'll submit another edit and cancel the first. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:31, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Gotcha when changing pub titles ==<br />
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Hi. If you decide to change a publication's title, a subtle gotcha is that usually the associated COVERART record was created using the same title used when the pub was created. It does not automatically get changed after that, so a second edit is required to fix it up as well. I did this for {{T|2755158|The Witch War Cycle}}. Just something to keep in mind for the future. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:19, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:There's no image on the book that you linked now. But I can't remember if it had one before. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:50, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No image does not mean no Cover Art record - which is what Marty is talking about. :) When a new book is added, the title and the publication title are the same and so is the cover art title of a cover artist is added. Once created, they become 3 separate records - and they all usually need adjustment when you are changing one of them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:07, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I tried with another rename and it's closer, but still an issue. I changed title and cover art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4720071], but when I link back through the cover it points at a parent with a title that doesn't exist. How do I unvariant the cover art? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2755637] goes to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2755639, which shouldn't exist. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:31, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The parent needs to exist as the pub artist credit is "Ken W. Kelly", but our canonical name for that artist is "Ken Kelly". Instead of unvarianting, you need to edit the parent. Go to that last link, click the edit button in the top right, and change the name to match the pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:55, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Got it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:08, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Carson of Venus'' omnibus price ==<br />
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Hi. In your submission for ''Carson of Venus: Volume 1'', you give a price of $0.00, but then the notes say it is POD and prices vary, which is different from a $0.00 price. Which is correct? I think if the price is varying, we'd leave the price field blank. We do have free publications where the price is literally zero. No need to do anything: I will adjust on acceptance according to whatever you say. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:01, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, missed this one. Blank is fine for price. I thought I had seen bibliographic warnings for missing price and thought $0.00 would suppress them. The old null vs empty-string conundrum. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:47, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::It will, unfortunately, show a warning, but we don't have a special non-price price value. Maybe someday. :-) Anyway, it's accepted and updated. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:52, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If it is a US only book (aka all prices are in $), I would put $ instead of a blank field. It deals with the warning (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2714526 for an example] and it does show the country the book belongs to (which for languages with multiple countries is a good and useful data point) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:12, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::I've seen US and UK prices for books in different volumes of this POD series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:23, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then we are stuck with empty for this one. But keep that in mind for other cases :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:28, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Would '$£' be legal? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:34, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: I think it will get flagged and fixed after that. Just leave it empty for now. :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:27, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''At the Earth's Core'', et al, omnibus ==<br />
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Hi. For this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4719397 submission], I have two questions:<br />
# The ISBN of 0486201510 is flagged as invalid. Would you double-check?<br />
# Our standard for naming omnibuses (omnibi?) when they are not specifically titled is to use the titles of the collected works, separated by slashes and spaces. See the second sub-bullet in [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Title]]. So if the omnibus you have just lists the three titles, we would use ''At the Earth's Core / Pellucidar / Tanar of Pellucidar'' instead of ''At the Earth's Core: Pellucidar: Tanar of Pellucidar''.<br />
Let me know, and I will adjust. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:28, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I've created another 'newPub' and will cancel the old. (I didn't notice your offer to replace in time, and I have more info this go round, anyways). The ISBN is funny, as it's written with transposed digits on the rear cover, which I copied, but correct on spine and copyright page. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:39, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Always good to mention that ISBN funny thinghy in the notes, too :) Cheers! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:12, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:51, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yeah. If it appears in multiple places and any one of them is correct, we take that one as "the" ISBN and note where we got it and the discrepancy with the others. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:41, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::And correct just means passes checksum algorithm. No convenient way to determine if it's the 'right' ISBN. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:25, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Claimed by Shadow ==<br />
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Can you check again the OCLC number [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?786841 here]? I do not see anything in OCLC indicating that this is a record for the second printing. OCLC adds some later printings and the OCLC numbers we add should be for the correct printing, not generic records. In the very least a note explaining that the OCLC record is for an unclear printing needs to be added. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:31, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Just remove it, or I can. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:42, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you had not yet, I will. Sorry - went to bed last night so did not see this :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:19, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: I moved it. If you decide to remove it completely, go away and remove the line I added - especially with a PV, it can go away (if there is no PV, I would leave it this way as OCLC has page numbers and stuff like that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:24, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I think the root problem is that I don't know when it's appropriate to check 'reuse external IDs' when cloning a publication for a different printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:20, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Personally, I almost always uncheck this one -- if I need to re-add some from the original, I do it while editing the clone. My exception is for non-English books usually - for example FantLab keeps single record for all reprints of an edition -- so this record goes on all of our records. OCLC for Russian books also does not care much about printings. <br />
::: When it comes down to US books, OCLC tends to keep separate records for printings (not all of printings have it), DNB does the same for German for example (so having the same DNB record for two printings is almost unheard of). LCCN has the first printing(and sometimes later when it is very different but still called printing because... publishers... ) so my rule is to usually just add on the first printing and just note it on the rest but other people do it differently for LCCN (as unlike OCLC, printings and other formats usually will not be issued a new LCCN). Goodreads is rarely per printing unless the cover changes - then they will have both records - but they usually have a date on the record which ties to a printing in most cases. It is a thin line sometimes -- and you will see more than one practice being used. <br />
::: Hope this makes some sense. Just trust your instincts - if you are looking for information about this specific printing/edition, does this external ID actually describe it and with library sources (OCLC, BL, BNF, DNB, PORBASE and so on), if a book is pulled based on this record, will it be the one you are holding? This is why we allow the templating inside of the notes (what I did when I edited) - so you can note additional records that are related but not exactly matching (but that can add information if the actual version does not have a record) - you won't add these if there an exact one unless it has a lot of relevant information but they are useful in cases such as OCLC having a single record for a series or just records for other printings and so on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:42, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthborn ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4721227 your submission] on hold for a moment, as it would be best to ask Holmesd if he's OK to remove the publication date of this 4th printing. He may recall why he has left a publication date of 1996-05-00 for this one. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:40, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I asked, and (s)he's ok with it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:59, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:01, 17 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Grimes at the Great Race ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4727163 this edit], the proposed new parent is an exact match of the existing record. What are you trying to achieve? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:20, 15 August 2020 (EDT)'<br />
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:It was supposed to point at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43424]. ('at' a variant of 'and').--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:03, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::To do that you need to use the Option 1 section of the variant screen. In the Parent # box, you would place the title number (it will actual accept the whole URL to make copy and pasting easier) of the desired parent. When you use the Option 2 section, you are creating a new record. I've rejected the edit and will let you re-submit the correct form. Let me know if my instructions were not clear. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:20, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Upon a Sea of Stars ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4727210 this edit], does the publication:<br />
# have the novel or does it have the original short stories? <br />
# have the collection itself or does it have the stories from the collection?<br />
Only what is actually in the publication should be listed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:22, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:#Yes. The novel, and the components are listed in TOC, and each have separate title pages.<br />
:#Yes. Same for the collection.<br />
:--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:08, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::It seems unlikely that the novel would fit in 2 pages. Is it really the novel + the novelettes (in other words the full novel plus the repetition of the individual stories that were combined to make the novel) or the novel is formed of chapters that are the same as the novelettes? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:14, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::It's nested, like the TOC, which is formatted as an outline.<br />
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:::#title page of novel<br />
:::#dedication page of novel<br />
:::#title page of first component and initial text<br />
:::#more pages of component #1<br />
:::#title page of 2nd compononent and initial text<br />
:::#more pages of component #2<br />
:::etc --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:21, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:27, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperial Earth & The Wind from the Sun ==<br />
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Hello. To answer your question ''Don't know if I'm supposed to add '[verified]' to my G39 printing.'' in your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4738029 here]: No. Since the ISFDB records all distinct printings, I suggest you create a new record by cloning the G10 printing and make it your G39 printing, that you can then verify. Btw, is your G39 printing also an SFBC? (note that I'm not an expert on these kind of printing designations and SFBC, so you may want to consult other moderators that can chime in with their thoughts on the matter, but the basic rule is 'if it's a different printing, then it's a different pub record...).<br />
Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4738033 this one], I think. As far as I can deduce, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194077 this record] is for the first printing (D1). Is your G20 printing a SFBC edition too, or a regular one? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:42, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: There are special rules for entering SFBC editions. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_a_SFBC_publication]. One record for all printings. It's just that the instructions don't mention how to use the 'verified' tag when describing the gutter code. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:02, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - SFBC is a bit special on this regard - unless the cover or the ISBN or the SFBC number changes or something else, we don't separate printings here (these indicate something closer to batches and not printings basically). The usual way is to specify that PV2 has gutter code XX, PV3 has gutter code YY and so on -- I like adding the name of the editor as well, especially if it is not PV1 (in case someone pulls their verification - the old system had exact numbers, this one does not). Alternatively just listing them all in a list also works. That can change at some point but I prefer the system as is quite honestly... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:39, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I haven't seen linkages to PVers in any of the few dozen i've PVed. Just an occasional 'verified' after the gutter code. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:45, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Some do, some don't. We have other cases with gutter codes which serve as batch differentiators only. The Verified means someone saw that code (aka it is not just from an online source) and decided to mark it that way because they also added some of the others; adding a name helps track down details if it gets to that. Do whatever feels comfortable - I tend to like more information than less. Different editors, different styles. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:50, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hmmm, I not necessarily agree with bunching all SFBC printings (don't understand what the difference between print runs & batches really is, especially since it seems that gutter code identifies which batch/printing it is about) into a single pub record, but I'll approve the few records I have on hold (as they conform to the current practice). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:28, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Motor-Boat, Motor-Cycle ==<br />
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I noticed that you corrected some pub titles of both Tom Swift novels. However, you didn't change the contents title accordingly. Having done a cursory check on Motor-Boat, I notice that virtually all (if not all?) publications have the hyphen on their title page. Would you think that it is a correct assumption that all existing records must be updated? So, shouldn't we change all pub and title records to the hyphen variant? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:34, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:At a minimum, at least all the facsimile Applewood publications should match. I missed one, and have entered an edit. Beyond that, I don't see how you're seeing title page info on the others. Now, we could change the title record to have the dash, as then it would match the original (facsimile) edition. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:19, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, for a few of the others I did check LookInside on Amazon (for what that's worth), and these showed the dash as well. If we're not going to touch the other ones, and only the facsimile ones, we'll have to create a new title record (not change the existing one, otherwise you'll end up changing the title record for all other pubs as well), and then either variant the one with the dash to the one without (or the other way around, depends on which one's older will be the parent). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:57, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm new at this and am happy to take direction from those with a more seasoned opinions. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:40, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Knight Life ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, I've accepted your edit to change the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19638 Knight Life] from Ace Books to Ace Fantasy Books. A quick heads up: you may not know we have a protocol to advise other Primary Verifiers of proposed changes to their verified publications, and this book would be a case in point before submitting the edit. However as you can see, the other verifiers have not shown their faces around these parts for some time (the most recent being March this year), and we shouldn't let your edit to remain unapproved in perpetuity. Please just leave a message on their Talk pages that your edit has gone ahead in lieu of their long absence. Thanks! [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:01, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Breach in the Heavens ==<br />
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For {{P|680059|A Breach in the Heavens}}, the notes have "This edition has US, UK and Canadian prices". It would be good to include the UK and Canadian prices in that note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:52, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Done (Although, I did inherit that part of the note). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:20, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Crippled Angel ==<br />
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Just a quick note. Excerpts get the publication date from the publication they appear in, not the pub date of the original publication (which I guess you've done for 'Druid's Sword (excerpt)' ?). I've updated this excerpt you've added to {{p|359734|The Crippled Angel}} from 2006-05-00 to 2006-08-00. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:44, 5 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! That makes it easier to deal adding excerpts. My (apparently bad) intuition was that it would be more like a title, than a publication. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:26, 5 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, it's a title all right, but one that happens to be published together with the book it appears in. Look at it this way: excerpts are titles in their own right and are, in a way, unrelated to the work they're an excerpt from - much like short stories, really. If you look at excerpts this way, it's easy to see why they receive the date of the pub they appear in. Hope that helps? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:02, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:If it were like a real short story, the date would be when the short was first published, not when the collection or anthology it's printing in was. But nevertheless, I understand the process now. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:39, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes, exactly so. But unless we know when this exact same excerpt was first published, we have to stick with what we know; ie the date of the publication at hand :) And by the way, thanks for your contributions! Most appreciated! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:49, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ark Liberty ==<br />
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I've added cover art credit to {{P|264314|Ark Liberty}} since that artwork is featured on page 15 of David Mattingly's artbook Alternate Views, Alternate Universes (the signature is hidden under the publisher's red bar). [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 17:28, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's The Rest of the Robots ==<br />
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I've started a [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Asimov's The Rest of the Robots|discussion]] on the Community Portal regarding some changes I'd like to make to the publications of Asimov's ''The Rest of the Robots''. Since you verified a copy, please weigh in there and let me know your opinion on the proposed changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:25, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Yaril's Children ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|55659|Yaril's Children}} with some notes. [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 21:47, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ride the Star Winds ==<br />
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I'm trying to change the cover artist credit for {{P|376546|Ride the Star Winds}} -- the book itself (and the amazon look inside) says cover art by Stephen Hickman, but the art appears on Alan Pollack's website (under Science Fiction) and I pm'd Steve on FB and he says that isn't his art! [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 14:15, 16 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Up Jim River ==<br />
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Re {{P|338622|Up Jim River}}: Is there a reason to not include the maps (as by uncredited) in the contents? I recognize the pub note predates your edit, but if there is maps, we would generally include in the contents and you are the only active verifier at this point. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:20, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Having someone to credit is one the factors I use when determining what to add while editing. However, I can go back and add the maps. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:17, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Knight Life number line ==<br />
<br />
I see that you recently added a note to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19638 Knight Life]'' indicating that it is a first printing noted by a number line. My copy has no number line. Could I get you to take a second look. If yours really does have a number line, then I would surmise that we have two different variants. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:58, 20 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:You're right, there's no number line. Not sure why I entered it that way, other than I screwed up. Edit entered to remove the number line. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:23, 20 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales from Not Long for This World ==<br />
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I'm going to make some changes to our mutually verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177297 Tales from Not Long for This World]''. The title of the publication is currently listed as "Not Long for This World (abridged)" and there is a note stating "The title on the cover is preceded by 'Tales from' but not on the title page." This statement is not correct. The title page does have the words "Tales from" appearing in a smaller font above the rest of the title. I suspect that with the title depicted in negative space and the size of the font that whoever added that comment must have missed it. In any case, I'm going to alter the title and the note. I also intend to add at least one external id. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat*A*Lyst ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6369 Cat*A*Lyst], but you need to now variant that title with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3428 Cat-A-Lyst], or be sure to merge it with other versions of the pub with the new title. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:46, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: You should probably further investigate which other pub records need to updated to the 'dotted' spelling of the title and merge/variant as needed. And by the way, the pub record now has two coverart title records too... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:31, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
I'm trying to figure out an order to attack this in. I removed the 2nd cover, and did an edit for the Canadian pb. Would it make sense to edit the title record, as I believe that most of the pubs will end up with dots? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:12, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Depends. If you can establish that the vast majority of pubs have the dot-title, then yes, you could do that and then unmerge the few that are with a dash. Seems to me the first thing to establish is which pubs have a dot-title... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:58, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
Hmmm. 5 dots, 4 dashes, and 1 neither. I am tempted to change the main title to dots, as that would match the first appearance of the title as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:13, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:All my edits went through, and now I'm not sure if I'm done or not. Is all right the way it is, or are there further steps? Should there be a variant title? I'm not quite sure what would be expected here. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3428 list] there are 3 publications (the UK Orbit ones) where the title uses the fancy character while the publication uses the "-". They need to match so if these 3 really need to have "-" (and it seems so?), the next step is to unmerge the 3 publications out from the title and then merge the 3 resulting titles and then variant the result to the main work. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:46, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: One more actually: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2071918 this one] needs to be merged into the main work. Let me know if you want to try or if you want me to. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:48, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::How about Katzenspiel? Do translations have different expectations? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:56, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Technically yes but [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1652366 it] is already on its own and varianted into the main title so nothing needs to be changed in it. :) The only ones that were getting changed were the English language ones - the translations are already sorted out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:04, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: All approved and I also sorted out the Keith Parkinson covers (two of them were with the wrong separator). What remains now are the three reviews - for which we will need the PVs of the publications they are in to check what the separator is. Unfortunately 2 of the 3 have only inactive PVs so I would just leave the reviews alone (so just mentioning it here for the next time you are adjusting titles) :) Thanks for fixing these! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:54, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Looks good! Thanks for sorting these out. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:48, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A War of Shadows ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?149801 this] is Davis Meltzer, his signature is in the middle at the very bottom of the front cover, see [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/dc/38/a4dc38fd5bb623bcacc37327e8784fcf.jpg this scan]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 17:30, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== HTMLize notes ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
Changing a lengthy note from non-HTML to HTML format when adding a small piece of information is considered a bit rude and inconsiderate, especially when there are multiple PVs (such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4783911 here]). We work as a team and one editor's format cannot (and should not) be used to overwrite everyone else's just because they are the last to edit. It will be appreciated if you show some respect to the other editors' styles - not everyone is comfortable working with HTML and we support both types of comments for a reason. <br />
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I think I mentioned that once in one of the threads but don't remember mentioning it directly on your page so decided to stop by and just post a reminder. Thanks for the understanding and thanks for adding all the additional information. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:52, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok, I'll dial it back. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:54, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! If you are the only PV or you are adding extensive notes (which you often do), it is all yours - the HTML format is supported and acceptable. It is the multi-PVed ones where someone is only adding a small piece of info -- if any of the other PVs decides to, they can just go and undo the html again -- which will lead to editing wars. So we thread lightly. And it goes in the other direction as well - removing html for the sake of removal will be frowned upon as well. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:::I check my altered PVs and use that as a feedback indication, rather than a call to arms. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:04, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Interviews and special naming rules ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glenn, <br />
<br />
Interviews and reviews are the two types of titles that seemingly have two authors. However, due to how the DB works, only one can be varianted into a canonical name - the Interviewer and the Reviewer respectively as they are considered the authors per our definition. However - we still show the statistics for the other 2 -- and if we cannot variant, it leaves the DB in a bit of a weird state (with titles on pseudonyms pages). That means that the Interviewee and the author of the reviewed work have to be recorded with their canonical names (a note can be added to specify how they were credited). I fixed it in one of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2782313 verified]. It is one of those weird rules that make sense but are not intuitive (thus me trying to explain the reasoning). Let me know if you have any questions. <br />
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PS: This is one of the rules everyone forgets - so you are not alone in mixing these up :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:48, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:For reviews, canonical name is not required. It merely needs to be a form already in the database (see [[:Template:TitleFields:ReviewAuthor]]). If a review uses a recorded pseudonym, then we use that pseudonym. If it uses a variation of a recorded pseudonym, then we'd correct to the pseudonym. The review would then be linked to the variant title record and the software is smart enough to show the review on both the variant and parent title. See this {{T|2752126|review}}, {{T|2515290|variant}}, and {{T|2515291|parent}} for an example. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:08, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Oops. Thanks for the correction and clarification on that one. You are right of course - for reviews the form of the name just need to exist and match the title we connect to. I came to explain the rule for interviews, decided to add the second special type and made a mess of it. Thanks for the catch. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:17, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gadget Maker ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4786827 this] speculative fiction? The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gadget_Maker Wikipedia synopsis] certainly doesn't make it seem so. It would seem to fall into our "Techno-thriller, political thriller and satire works set in a future indistinguishable from the present" (where the present is 1954) clause. Is their synopsis misleading? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I haven't read it. I bought it many years ago thinking it was, but old-school techno-thriller seems to characterize accurately. I was thinking that stories about engineers making rockets seemed close. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:27, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Okay, let's exclude it until you have a chance to read it. If you find that it has some speculative elements, we can unreject the submission. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:30, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Could you point me at where it talks about the scope for the site? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Sure. It's [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy]]. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:37, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Don Lynch --> Howard Koslow? ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, please take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Possible_correction_of_artist this possible finding]. Right now, you seem to be the only available PV editor. Would you like to comment over at the noticeboard (and possibly take action)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:30, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cerulean Sins ==<br />
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You really should change the cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63268 here] - a /P/ Amazon image can be changed at any time :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Never mind - apparently you did on a next update ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:24, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Novel ending page ==<br />
<br />
Hello. Just a heads-up. For publications where the printed page numbers go beyond the end of the novel, add a note stating "Novel ends on page xxx" (I could swear this is somewhere in the rules, but couldn't find it... ah well... still think it's a good idea to add it to the notes :). [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423759 Here] for example, you updated the page count from 531 to 549, and added an excerpt starting on p535. This leads me to believe that the novel proper ended on p.531, correct? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:00, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426654 this one] [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:28, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Winter Song ==<br />
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Hi have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4808064 your submission] on hold, as I wonder if it wouldn't be better to state that the US edition has the author's name in Orange, instead of outright deleting the statement? Like you did when you updated the US edition ? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:08, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Resubmitted per your suggestion. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:19, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== King's Property ==<br />
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I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?803678 this one] but looking at the one we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99721 here], it seems like it is a duplicate. The 11st seems like a typo for 1st and the price being the same in both Canada and USA kinda points to the original record being also a first edition - an 11th will be much later so at least one of the prices should be different. Would you like to update the old record and add your notes and updates there? Sorry for not catching it before approval. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sapphire Rose ==<br />
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You are PV2 on the sapphire Rose by David Eddings. Either you or PV1 named the map The Sapphire Rose (maps) with the 1992 publication date. If you check your copy I think you will see it is signed and dated 1988. This map was used in all three books of the Elenium. In fact, the publisher refers to this map as the Eosia map on the copyright page of the first book in the next series. Let me know if you have a problem with me changing this. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:53, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:05, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Auto-da-Fé ==<br />
<br />
Hello Glenn. I noticed that you added {{t|2803502|Auto-da-Fé}} as a replacement for {{t|59204|Auto-da-Fe}} (without accent aigu) to the 1967 publication {{p|52497|Turning On}}, but with the same publication year (1961). However, as far as we know the variant {{t|2803502|Auto-da-Fé}} was first published in the 1967 edition of {{p|52497|Turning On}} (or perhaps for the first time in the 1966 edition {{p|52496|Turning On: Thirteen Stories}}), surely not in 1961. So I've updated the year of first publication of Auto-da-Fé as 1967. Let me know if you would disagree (and why).<br />
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As an aside, there seems to be a similar problem with {{t|57077|Semper Fi}}, which seems to have been first published as {{t|187371|Satisfaction}} in 1964-08. The first occurrence of Semper Fi (at least in our DB) is not earlier than 1966-08 (the first edition of {{p|52496|Turning On}} - so seems like Satisfaction is a variant of Semper Fi instead of the other way around. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:28, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: When a story gets more popular under a later title, we use the LATER name as a canonical title. This is the case with Semper Fi so reversing the variant is not needed even if there is a SINGLE publication under a different title before that. Canonical title does not always mean "first title". [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:12, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Sun in Glory: And Other Tales of Valdemar ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4884983 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4884986 this] - are "Sun in Glory" "And Other Tales of Valdemar" exactly the same size on the title page? If not, then the way we have it now is correct - a subtitle is added by adding ":" between it and the title. The only case when your proposed change will be valid is if "and..." is not a subtitle but appears as part of the title itself (same font, same size) on the title page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:35, 17 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's a different font size, but the 'and' is lower case. My feeling is that the font is smaller on the second line because the words wouldn't fit otherwise. I took the subtitle instructions <b>It is sometimes a judgement call as to whether a change of font or a colon indicates a subtitle or just some creative license on the part of the typesetter. If in doubt, take your best guess and document the guess in the publication's notes.</b> as an indication of some leeway allowed in the rule.<br />
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: There's some additional rationale I left on on Marc Kupper's talk page. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:00, 18 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah, I know it is a subjective clause and I saw that we have the rest of the series in a different way. However both [https://www.worldcat.org/title/sun-in-glory-and-other-tales-of-valdemar/oclc/53478242 OCLC] and [https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchCode=LCCN&searchArg=2004596794&searchType=1&permalink=y LCCN] threat is as a subtitle and inject the ":" in there. The lower case is not that unusual - capitalizing the subtitle's first word when it is one of the small words is not the rule in all the style formats... Let me think on that for a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 18 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Horse and His Boy ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, I've accepted your submission, but can you double check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822020 this pub record]'s date, as I suspect that the pub date must be 1976-00-00 (per your notes) iso 1974? Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:49, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:18, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publishers vs Publication series ==<br />
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Hi, why do you want books published as Ace Fantasy to be under a separate publisher '[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?54310 Ace Fantasy Books'], instead of putting those books in the publication series [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1312 'Ace Fantasy']. Is Ace Fantasy Books at a different address than Ace Science fiction, or are they in fact two desks in the same office? Please explain.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:07, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: The same with Tor.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:09, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: For the Ace ones, they are listed as Ace Fantasy Books on the cover, title page, and copyright page. The only address given is for the Berkeley Publishing Group. It is a separate imprint and not a pub series. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: If the same holds true for the four that are now given as pub series we have to enter them likewise, not like the hodge-podge it is now.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:57, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::To complicate matters, there are Ace 'fantasy' books that really seem to be a publication series, in that they say 'Fantasy' on the spine, but not the title page. Tor seems to be more consistent, in that the spine and title page always matches, at least that I've seen. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:28, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: I just noticed the edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4905749] from Dirk that removed the pub series marker. However there is a 'Fantasy' marker on the top of spine (but not the title page). Not sure what the rules are for pub series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publication_Series See our wiki].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:46, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::If there exist fantasy pubs published by Ace Books (and not by Ace Fantasy Books), then I guess that edit should be reversed, and notes added to both the pub and the pub series record to clarify. (And perhaps a note cautioning editors not to delete the pub series)[[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:54, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds like a good idea, explaining in the notes why the book should be in a publication series named 'fantasy' while such is not evident from cover, nor title page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:44, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::It's not clear to me what criteria should be used to decide something is a publication series. It seems obvious with cover markup like <b>Jim Baen Present</b> or <b>Ace Science Fiction Special</b>, but is a single category word like <b>Fantasy</b> on the spine enough? My assumption is that the imprint takes priority over pub series, e.g., publications wouldn't be both in pub series <b>Ace Fantasy</b> and imprint <b>Ace Fantasy Books</b> simultaneously. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:42, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: There is no restriction imposed, so it is possible to have pub series <b>Ace Fantasy</b> and imprint <b>Ace Fantasy Books</b> simultaneously. Whether that is the right choice depends on what's on or in the books, even how the series is perceived, how it is marketed, etc... If there's fantasy on the spine of publications by imprint Ace Fantasy Books, I'd record it as such - and add clarifying notes all over the place :) One advantage of doing so is that you could link fantasy pubs by Ace Books with fantasy pubs by Ace Fantasy Books when using the same pub series name (provided of course these can be considered part of the same publication series, only published by (slightly) different publishers) - it has happened before (for example when a publisher started a series, which later became an imprint of another publisher who took over/merged with the first). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:04, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBN 0-87997-133-9 ==<br />
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Hi, For both the DAW publications [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108641 The Stone That Never Came Down UY1150] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255142 Spawn of Laban UQ1133] you derived the ISBN-10 from the catalog number. Problem is that the ISBN-10 is in both cases 0-87997-133-9...--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:13, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ooops. Accidently used the DAW# instead of the catalog number when generating. Edit submitted. Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:34, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Exiled from Earth ==<br />
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Added cover artist John Mardon for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?786152 this]. Same cover art as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291295 this] edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 03:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:23, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Shatterday ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30186 this] edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:31, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sheri or Sherri? ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?322814] should be by Sheri S. Tepper. Can you check and fix if needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:19, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Fixed. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:36, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Outcasts of Order ==<br />
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Hi Glen, you are the PV for a pb edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828351 Outcasts of Order]. I have been consolidating the names of the three maps used throughout this series. The relevant maps for this book are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?821981 The World (Saga of Recluce) (map)] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2848218 Candar and Recluce (map)]. I would be happy to import them for you. Let me know. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:51, 6 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:26, 6 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Recluse maps ==<br />
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All three maps were set up and the different names were merged. If you are verifying any that do not yet have the maps, go ahead and import them. I thought I got all the through book 20, but, I could have missed one. Just look at the HC for any title you are verifying to see the appropriate map. You will catch on to the naming scheme I used. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:20, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Just looked at some of your latest PV's. You will need to do some importing. If a pub had no PV, Annie asked me to leave it blank. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:29, 9 April 2021 (EDT)d<br />
: I'm unfamiliar with the import process. From the sound of it, it's different than just editing the publication and adding titles, but I'm not sure where to start.<br />
:: Would you like me to do them, or try to explain the procedure.? I will be glad to do either. If you would like me to do them, make sure you have PV all of yours so I can tell which pubs are yours. So far {{p|38180| Death of Chaos}} and {{p|13068| Fall of Angels}} are the only ones missing the maps. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:41, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I've got the imports figured out and am progressing through the series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm glad you are doing it on your own. Be careful, you have imported the wrong map to {{p|249991|Natural Ordermage}}. The second map should be {{t|821981|Hamor (map)}}. If your not sure which are the correct maps, you can look at the three map title pages and you will see which books use each map.[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:12, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: I just noticed a Hamor map, but your link points at 'world'. Was in the process of looking for the proper map. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:14, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Sorry about that! . Watch out for Arms-Commander, just uses one map. [[User Talk: Scifibones|John]] 19:54, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Edit submitted for Natural Ordermage. I noticed the single map at least. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:23, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: So you found this map? {{t|2851224|Hamor(map}}[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yep. Had a problem for a bit, but changed search from 'fiction titles' to 'all titles' and found it then. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:29, 10 April 2021 (EDT<br />
Check which map you imported into "The Mongrel Mage". [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 12:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: It looks ok to me. What issue are you seeing? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:34, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I just looked at my book again to check. The second map should be the "Hamor (map)" not the "Candor and Recluce (map)" . Hit me up anytime John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:45, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I just checked again, and my copy of the book has "Candar and Recluse" as the 2nd map. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Interesting, the publisher printed the wrong one in one of them. I haven't read it yet, so I can't sy which. Lol. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:53, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: I've read them, and the Candar map is correct. Volumes 19-21 are a subseries with the same main character. I'd guess that the HC had the wrong map, and it got fixed for the PB edition. Perhaps we should add some notes. --![[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:04, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll try to get hold of a HC copy of "Mage-Fire War" this week and see if it is corrected there. Then a note will probably be in order. I'll let you know what I find out. [[User Talk:Scifibones| John]] 17:10, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Yes, please, add notes for that weird map changing between formats :) And this is exactly why I am a bit careful before adding maps to editions that someone does not have access to. Thanks for working on these, gentlemen! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:35, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: I went ahead and submitted the following note for "The Mongrel Mage". Tor erroneously included the map of "Hamor" on pages [10]-[11]. The map featuring "Candar and Recluce" is the proper map. This was corrected by the 1st printing of the mass market paperback, verified <a href="http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?674427">Here</a> (only Here will show) . I'm borrowing "Mage-Fire War" tonight, although I expect it is correct since "Outcasts of Order" is correct. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:54, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: I just noticed that you didn't change the publisher to <i>Tor Fantasy</i>. Is the hardcover not marked so on the title page? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:21, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: Nope, still just Tor. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:51, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Just to make sure... there's no little shield with 'Tor Fantasy' over it on the bottom of the title page... My Tor fantasy HCs have such. (in other titles). More fully, I'd expect <br />
::::::::: Just checked Mage-Fire HC look-inside on Amazon and saw just the plain Tor. Oh well, more inconsistencies between formats. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:31, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: I have The Mongrel Mage open in front of me. No shield. "Tor" (over) "Tom Doherty Associates Book" (over) "New York". I worked late today so I am picking up Mage-Fire War at lunch tomorrow. If it shows Tor Fantasy I will surely make the change when I verify it. I promise to post a note here and let you know. I will also double check Outcasts of Order. It's always possible I could have missed it there. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:08, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Outcasts of Order is just Tor. The only 2 I see, in the Recluce series, are the first two books. I posted a note [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Publisher Imprints|Here]] to see how they want me to handle these. I never even paid attention to them, glad you pointed it out. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:08, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Tor® | fantasy | shield with stars on top, mountain below | A Tom Doherty Associates Book | New York <br />
Do you plan on doing the maps for the Imager series? Just started my PV pass there. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:44, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I will at some point, right now I'm making an effort to verify more of my collection. Next time I do one, if pb's are involved, I'll solicit your help. Interested? John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 10:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've started the Imager series with using shared maps in mind. And sure, let me know if you would like help in the future. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:34, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Day of the Dragonstar ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Would you mind checking [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar this discussion]? Thanks1 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:31, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Can you stop by and check something in this one again? We are trying to determine if the German one is a translation of the serial or the book and Christian has questions about the serial. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:23, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Manifold: Time ==<br />
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I'm changing title to conform to standards, removing the series name for {{p|21370|Manifold: Time}}. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:00, 16 April 2021 (EDT) I also removed the cover art title, "Jacket design by David Stevenson from HC"<br />
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: This not attempt to dissuade you from the change, but give some thoughts about why I didn't do this removal while PVing.<br />
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: I'm more likely to keep the series name in the title if it seems to be intrinsically part of the title. So a series subtitle seems less intrinsic than one that comes first with a following colon, like <b>Manifold: Time</b>. And a title like <b>Lucky Starr and the Pirates of the Asteroids</b> I would never attempt the removal upon. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:40, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: The moderators asked me to make this change in all the publications of the trilogy. I was actually arguing in favor of your position. Originally I posted a link to the conversation, but, on second thought, ask Annie directly. She will explain it better than reading through the original back and forth. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:26, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Your_comment_re:_Origin Here's the conversation]. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:04, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== To Clear Away the Shadows ==<br />
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I recently read the book, and I was surprised to find that the book contains all new characters, different from anyone in the preceding 12 books. I asked a question in the help desk wiki about how to know when a new sub-series was starting, and Annie said to leave it for now and put a note into it. So I did. I also asked David Drake what his plans were on his website. We'll see what he says, or what he does. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 10:09, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost in Translation ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking the cover art credit for {{P|20799|Lost in Translation}}? It is common for people to see "Courtney" when the artist's actual name is {{A|Cortney Skinner}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Spelled with a 'u' on the copyright page. (Courtney) --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:19, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions ==<br />
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I picked up a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8713 this] and note that it states gutter codes are printed on page 544. My copy definately has "Book Club Edition" at bottom of front flap and the number 1179 on the rear flap but alas page 544 has no code at all. Is there anywhere else within the book a gutter code might have been printed ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:09, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I have '46I' on the bottom of page 539. In general, start at the end and work your way back 5 or 10 pages. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:55, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. That was very helpful. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:15, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher New Infinities ==<br />
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Another user left a [[User talk:Rtrace#Publisher name|note]] on my talk page questioning the difference between the publishers [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?62967 New Infinities Productions / Ace] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?38481 New Infinities / Ace]. I double checked my book and the publisher is credited as "New Infinity Productions, Inc." throughout the book, including the cover and spine logo. You are one of the only two active verifiers who has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42789 a book] by the publisher with the shorter name (and in fact, I have a copy of the same book). While I don't think we need to include "Inc.", I do think the longer name is more appropriate. Do you have any objections if I merge these two publishers taking the longer name? I'm checking with the other active verifier as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:31, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:52, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sporting Chance ==<br />
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I approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325550 Sporting Chance], but I eliminate the [3] pages and put the [24] pages of the excerpt in parens instead. This makes the pagination in the contents clearer, and noone will miss the three pages in between. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:59, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Another map consolidation ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, As a PV of many volumes please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. Hopefully you thought the last one was beneficial. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Victory Conditions ==<br />
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I approved your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273491 Victory Conditions], but one thing you should know. When you enter the Canadian price for a pub use "C$xx.xx", not just "$xx.xx". Canadian and U.S. dollars are not the same. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:49, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Leftovers from the previous version of the notes. I just changed the number line. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:42, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== First Lord's Fury ==<br />
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Added a couple notes and ext id to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293159 First Lord's Fury]. Noticed you called the map "First Lord's Fury (map)" even though it has a title "The Realm of Alera". In fact there are two title records with that name. Do you have an objection to merging your title into "The Realm of Alera (map)" with those? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No objection. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:06, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Turn Coat] ==<br />
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Added pub note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273980 Turn Coat] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
--[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:48, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cuckoo's Egg ==<br />
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I added this note --"Cover painting by Randall Asplund" credited on rear flap, the artwork is signed ©1985 Randy Aspland on back cover-- to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8429 Cuckoo's Egg]. Hope you don't mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:58, 11 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Chanur's Legacy ==<br />
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Adding a couple pub notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6627 Chanur's Legacy] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:50, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Stardrift ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444493 this] is Jack Faragasso. Cover art credit from a signed print of the artwork for sale on the US Amazon site here: https://www.amazon.com/Stardrift-Signed-Fine-Print-Faragasso/dp/B08959P3MQ --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:11, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Proposed Map Consolidation ==<br />
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As a PV of at least one publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?369 Inheritor] or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20011 Precursor] , please take a moment to look at [[User Talk:Scifibones #Foreigner Map Consolidation| Foreigner Map Consolidation]] and leave your comments. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:22, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Submitted edit today [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Winds of the Forelands ==<br />
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I have two questions related to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18321 Winds of the Forelands] series.<br />
# I noticed we have different cover artists credited for the hc and pb versions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27498 Bonds of Vengeance]. The covers look very similar, would you mind double checking?<br />
:: My paperback says "Cover art by Gary Ruddell" on the back cover.<br />
# I am the sole verifier of all the hc editions with one exception, Same for you for the pb editions. I set up a title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?919662 Winds of the Forelands (map)] Do you mind if I merge in the different map titles?<br />
:: They're probably the same between hc and pb, but unless one of us scans and shares somehow, and the other compares, it's just a guess. But in general, merging maps that are identical is fine with me. <br />
I hope I'm not bothering you with all these requests. You have such an impressive library, you always have books included in my proposed merges. I hate having multiple titles for the same artwork. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:37, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No problem with the requests. The map merging wasn't on my radar when I started PVing about almost a year ago. I've been working through the novel/collection section of my library, and I'm up to 'N'. Finish them, then anthologies, and then shared world crud. And then digest magazines. Maybe a couple more years? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:27, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking the artist credit. I'll import the map into "Bonds of Vengeance" while I'm at it. That is the only pb pub that didn't have a map entry. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:23, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:15, 21 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Final Encyclopedia ==<br />
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Added couple pub notes and imported [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?921044 Afterword: The Door into Darkness] into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39770 The Final Encyclopedia]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:12, 25 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chantry Guild ==<br />
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Added a couple design credits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36981 The Chantry Guild]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:23, 25 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part One ==<br />
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Made a pub date change, added some notes and OCLC to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256970 The Belgariad: Part One] You will see another change when I import the map title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:14, 5 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Riftwar Universe ==<br />
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Hi Glen, I have submitted edits for many of the HC's in the Riftwar Universe. You are a PV'er for some of these. Wanted to let you know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:07, 13 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Commune 2000 A.D. / Mack Reynolds ==<br />
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Putting this entry in my messages for multiple commenters...<br />
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While PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210233 Commune 2000 A.D. / Mack Reynolds] I noticed that the cover with '30p' doesn't match mine without.<br />
Do your copies look like the cover in the entry?<br />
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It appears from the edit history that BLongley added the note about 30p and Corgi, but it's not clear to me if he<br />
was referring to the cover image, or his copy of the book.<br />
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I can update the image with a scan of my copy, but wanted to know if appropriate. <br />
(I currently have an edit pending with additional changes).<br />
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--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:26, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:My copy has no '30p'. I'll move my verification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433528 this edition] that was probably entered by Bluesman in 2013 for the same reason. I.m.o. we should change the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210233 Bill Longley's copy] to Bantam / Corgi and the price to £0.30. Unfortunately we can't ask Bill anymore. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:39, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ps, I fixed your link, it didn't work and thanks for noticing this! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:41, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I moved my verification as well. Thanks. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 09:28, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have moved my verification to the original Bantam version as well. Good catch! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:52, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Is someone going to edit the 30p record? Or was that an indirect request for me to do so? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:23, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did since nobody opposed my suggestion. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:52, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The only thing that seems odd with your suggestion is that that's the only book by this 'new' publisher. Is the intent that it should be used for books with Bantam covers with the price overprint? If so, perhaps a note in the publisher indicating so. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:31, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Last 14 ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG -<br />
Could I get you to check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210717 this] publication? Clute/Nicholls, Reginald1 and Worldcat all have the title as "The Last Fourteen". Tuck has it as we do. Given the discrepancy, I wonder if the title page perhaps has the number spelled out. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The title page has it spelled out as <B>THE LAST FOURTEEN</B>. Sorry I missed that when PVing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:49, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I checked my copy and changed the title to conform with the titlepage. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:38, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sandstorm ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5050003 this submission]: We already have an entry for the {{P|314339|first Avon edition}}. This entry looks like a duplicate? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:56, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There appears to be two versions. One with a regular cover as shown, and one with the plastic lens in front of the artwork forming a 3d effect. It's not clear (to me) if they came out concurrently, or at different times. I didn't want to just change the existing one, as the cover doesn't match my copy. Also note that it includes a different excerpt. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:33, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry for the delay. The edit has been approved. I still question whether the original version is correct. It has "Data from Locus1. OCLC notes there is an excerpt from the next book in the series." and no page numbers even though it was verified. That implies the verifier didn't take much care when verifying it, but looking at the pub history, I see they are the ones that added the excerpt. Unfortunately, they have not been active in almost a year so we will have to go with what's there. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:58, 13 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Aymé's Walker-Through-Walls ==<br />
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Hi<br />
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Could I get you to double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216109 this collection]? I am suspicious of the hyphen between "The" and "Walker". Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:55, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: THE | WALKER- | THROUGH- | WALLS | Originally published as | ACROSS PARIS and Other Stories<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:25, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia, Maid of Mars ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 this pub] of Thuvia, Maid of Mars as there are two variations differentiated by the address and the ad at the end. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Monster Men ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 this pub] of ''The Monster Men'' as there are two variations differentiated by the ad at the end. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Moon Maid ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 this pub] of ''The Moon Maid'' as there are two variations differentiated by the publisher address. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Magic Series ==<br />
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Would you mind if I changed the series name "Blood Magic" to "Blood Magic (Cook)" for titles [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1032007 Blood Magic] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?829648 Nights of Sin]? I accidentally added the 7 titles in a newer Blood Magic series to the existing one. Since the older one only has two members, it would be easier to change the series name for just those two titles. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:17, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Not a problem. Although it might make sense to rename the other series to <b>Blood Magic (Kraus/Lawrence)</b> as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:52, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::That does makes sense. I'll do that as well. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:26, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Splitting some Burroughs publications you have verified ==<br />
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Some existing Burroughs publications you have PV'd have two variants that need to be split. You have verified <br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 Monster Men], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 The Moon Maid], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26181 Pirates of Venus], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34557 Tarzan and the Lost Empire] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 Thuvia Maid of Mars]<br />
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Please check [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Holmesd#Changing_Burroughs_Books_.28Poll.29 this poll] to help determine which variant is the existing entry, and which is created. Your participation is appreciated. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:35, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hagberg Flash Gordon credit ==<br />
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You are the only active verifier of several books in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25924 Flash Gordon] series by David Hagberg. All of these have a note that Hagberg is not credited within the book. Do you have any objection if I correct the publication records to reflect that Hagberg is uncredited? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm not sure what you want to do. Is it to change the author from Hagberg to uncredited on the publication records? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:29, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Yes, that's part of it. I would then unmerge the publication from Hadberg's title record and remerge them to the uncredited variant. I did this with the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298218 one] book in the series where there were no active verifiers, if you'd like to see how it would look. Books without an author credit should be entered as uncredited and if we know the actual author's name, as in this case, we make them variants with the author's name in the parent title. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I take it that authors work differently than cover artists then? I've seen any number of publications with cover artist uncredited in/on the book, but filled in from other sources. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:02, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yes. Artists follow different rules. For example we never enter a cover artist as "uncredited". Also it is permissible to credit an artist from a secondary source outside of the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Sure, then go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:28, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::All done. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:29, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Well of Ascension ==<br />
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Why removing the date from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5077693 here]? The note looks like a first printing? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:51, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Never mind - inverted line. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:09, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black|Gold|Red Unicorn - Tanith Lee ==<br />
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The publisher for Black|Gold is 'Tor & Byron Preiss'. My copy of Gold seems like it should really be 'Tor Fantasy & Byron Preiss'. Black|Gold are the only instances of this publisher. Ron, would you check your copies? Taweiss is a PVer for Red which is currently 'Tor'. Conceivably, it should be changed to 'Tor Fantasy', or 'Tor Fantasy & Byron Preiss' as well.<br />
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Black: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36109]<br />
Gold: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15717]<br />
Red: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27659]<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:34, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:My copies of the paperbacks for Black and Gold do have the Tor Fantasy logo. I also have the hardcover of Red, and that is simply Tor. A Byron Preiss Book appears in all copies that I have access to, including those published by Atheneum. I'm fine with the addition of Fantasy to the records discussed. I'm ambivalent about the inclusion of Preiss. Is it a co-publication, imprint, or is he simply the editor? Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:15, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: The fact that 'Byron Preiss' shows up in the Athenium editions makes me feel like its more a contributor credit, rather than a publisher. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:24, 24 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Based on my copy of "Red", "Tor Fantasy" looks right to me. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 18:24, 25 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire Sanctuary ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13650 this] (according to Adam Rowe's 70s Sci-Fi Art postings) is Don Dixon. It's also credited [https://fineartamerica.com/featured/fire-sanctuary-don-dixon.html?product=greeting-card here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:31, 24 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Feghoot LXIX ==<br />
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Hi Glenn<br />
<br />
While importing Feghoots from your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37411 copy] of ''The Compleat Feghoot'', I noticed that Feghoot LXIX appears to be a limerick and I think we should probably change it from a story to a poem. I left a note on the other verifier's page, but they haven't been active in the last month. If you agree, I'll go ahead and make the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:56, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I checked, and I agree. Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:20, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== I, Zombie ==<br />
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I understand that the publisher used all caps on the copyright page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17696 this] but unless you clarify that specifically in the note, it looks like someone is shouting and someone may decide to clear it up. Yes - I know that the quotes mean "from the book as is" in your template but... that is your convention and people may have other ones. So some notes in cases like that are important (even just adding (from the copyright page) after the closing quote will be enough to indicate where this came from). I'd use normal capitalization (and add a note in brackets after it saying that it is in all caps on the copyright page) quite honestly if I were you... but up to you. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:34, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It seems like quotation marks have a fairly well known meaning even outside the conventions I use when entering notes. Not sure how to quote something without actually quoting it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:48, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: For quoting the text - yes. For showing the styling of the text (as opposed to an editor making it all caps so it is more visible on the page as the only thing they want to quote from the book) - not always as clear - we had had editors using all kinds of ways to separate the "from the book verbatim" from the actual notes and all caps, italics and so on had not been unheard of. And your other quote from the same page is not even in quotes (the number line). Leave it as is if you prefer but someone may decide to "fix" it one day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Duchess of Kneedeep ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38924 this] has been identified as Richard Bober. Original canvas with citation [https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1374598 here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:45, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Law of War ==<br />
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Let's talk about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5118810 this one]. How is Henderson involved in this novel? Because the record as it is now is very very confused and needs fixing - but I need to know how Henderson is involved so we do the correct thing. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:31, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Obliquely credited co-author, like the first volume in the series. I've been trying a sequence of edits to make it parallel to Man O'War, but I'm pretty sure I haven't taken the most direct path. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:20, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You are going in the opposite direction from where you need to go. What needs to happen:<br />
::* The ones inside of the publications remain with Shatner only. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5118261 This] should not have been approved because now you need to eject THAT from both books and insert another which makes no sense. Reversing it will mean that only one step remains:<br />
::* Create a parent with Henderson and Shatner. <br />
:: I've reversed the edit and made the needed parent. Here is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2931922 new parent]. I will leave it to you to add a note explaining Henderson's involvement. <br />
:: When crediting for ghost-writing, leave the titles inside of the books on their own (as credited basically), all you need is a parent record with both names on it. That way it will show up on both authors' bibliographies while the title inside of the book will match what is on the publication (which is how the DB is supposed to work). <br />
:: If the ghost writer was not a known author, we would threat it as a pseudonym (the help page even says that - that's when there is some rigmarole to be done with variants) but as Henderson has his own books, that does not work. Thus the double name on a parent to show it on both. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:28, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Should the note go in the title or the publication? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:12, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'd add it on both quite honestly? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:26, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: But if you want one - title level. That will explain to someone finding the variant why we have Henderson in the parent. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:40, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== War of the Worlds: New Millennuim ==<br />
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Hi Glenn,<br />
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Are you sure that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87597 your verified] is called "War of the Worlds: New Millennuim" and not "War of the Worlds: New Millennium" (the last i and u are inverted). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 07:07, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: You caught me. I'd go with 'iu' normally. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:00, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And fixed. The title record, the rest of the pubs and the cover were already fixed earlier today so we are all set. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:03, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Nimrod Hunt ==<br />
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Since you are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125451 submitting] significant changes (page counts, publisher), you need to discuss the changes with the primary verifiers first. As far as I can tell, none of them have been contacted. Please contact them (the active ones, anyway) and have them post here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:45, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Please include your name in request. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:15, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:GlennMcG&curid=192014&action=history History]: Nihonjoe forgot to sign. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:31, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This type of edit seems to be a expansion or refinement of the information already there, rather than a significant change, at least to me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:36, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have checked my copy and the proposed changes match what it contains. That said, it's conceivable that some other verified pubs may be different. For example, the 8 unnumbered pages in the back of this book are mostly promotional material plus an excerpt. Since it's a mass market paperback published in the mid-1980s, it's unlikely that the number of pages will differ from copy to copy, but we have come across very minor differences which were our only clue that we were dealing with two different versions of the book (US/Canada, a cheap reprint, etc.) Experience suggests that it's safer to err on the side of caution :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:09, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent)(after edit conflict - and pulling that separately so the actual request to the PVs edit is more visible) Publisher changes and page number changes are significant changes (unless you are working on a pre-agreed thing like the Tor Fantasy thing where you actually discussed with the PVs early on.). Sometimes it may mean that there are two different books out there that we had not managed to split yet. Sometimes it can lead to a discussion on how to record the publisher in that specific case - there is a thin line sometimes between publisher, pub series inside of a publisher and a publishing line). In all cases not talking to the PVs when there are active ones on the list and when you had not cleared with them the type of changes you are making is considered in bad taste. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:12, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Hmmm. I've made identical (parallel) edits to a fair number of books in the past without issue whiling PVing in the past. There's a trade off on bothering to record additional information vs the effort in doing so. I've done about 10,000 PVs in the last year or so, and have another 5,000 to go. I don't want to annoy folk, but the latency in getting approval tends to be somewhat off-putting. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:38, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Moderators will skip over some of your edits (thus adding a long delay on them) because they are not cleared with the PVs. If you pre-clear with the PVs and mention it in the notes, the approvals will be a lot smoother. It is a community project and the point of the PV program is that someone checked a physical book for the parts of the record that are coming from it. That means that any change in the data they verified kinda invalidates their verification unless they recheck. We cannot do anything for the non-active verifiers. A moderator usually do not have the same book to be able to judge if you are correct or the existing record is correct. So we try to get the active PVs to check.<br />
:: What is the point of a Primary Verification if tomorrow another editor can come and change the Publisher name and the page numbers or any other data coming directly from the book the PV verified? Should we just allow anyone to just change the data without even an attempt for a second person to look at the book? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:47, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Then what is the changed primary verifications notification for? I check every one I receive, mostly as feedback to what I might do better, but also to see if there is a clash with my copy of the book. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:59, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Relatively minor changes - notes, external IDs, formatting, adding a cover based on secondary sources, adding other data from secondary sources - things like that. And even for some of them, some editors will notify (especially for covers). It is a relatively new feature - the traditional way is to notify, preferably gaining support before the edit is done for big changes. Plus post approval, the old data is lost -- unless it was originally added in the last few years (so can be derived from a previous edit that is in the history), the old data is gone as soon as a moderator presses approve. Which means that if we need to revert back, we need to pull from the archived versions of the site which can be a pain.<br />
:: And just to put this into perspective a bit. If a different editor looks at this book tomorrow, verifies it and decides that the Publisher should be "Baen", should that be approved just because they are the latest PV? Then you get a notification, decide to change it back and... what next? An editing war? We are doing all we can to never end up in that situation. <br />
:: If you are now working on the Baen books, write up your thinking for the change as you did for Tor Fantasy changes, post in CS and ping the active PVs for the different books and point them there. Once we have agreement, just point to it in the notes - and we can approve bsed on that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: My thinking was that if I saw a change in the notifications that I didn't agree with, I'd start a discussion at that point. But I've gone in and fixed html typos without such. And I understand the concept of institutional inertia. Not having a deterministic rollback mechanism seems foreign to me, as a software developer, everything is under source control. Any reason why the edit history entries don't contain before and after values? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:23, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Typos do not require a notification on one's page - just add in the moderator notes that you are fixing typos so people know when they look at the edit post-approval and that's it. That's what the PV changes list is for. Noone will ask you to go talk to people about it. So do you propose that we allow any editor to change the data on any book any way they want and then wait for the PVs to complain after the fact?<br />
:::: The history records were never built to be a history - they are just the approved submissions for this ID. As such when the system was built, it was not considered important to keep the old state after approval - it is there during approval and there was no way to search through old submissions unless you page manually through the pages of the Recent Edits or go to the DB directly. So having "old state" was... not really needed much.<br />
:::: Then we linked the Histories on each type of a record a few years back by just listing the old submissions we know of on this ID into a list (and the changed PV books was born the same way). You will notice that the Histories miss the very old edits and they do not list changes that influenced/changed the record but were not on the record itself - so if you change a title via PubEdit, it is in the history of the Publication but not of the history of the Title itself. Now "old state" will be very useful to keep but it was not built that way. Starting to save "old state" is in the development plans somewhere but it is not trivial and there are a lot of things in the plans. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:49, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: By the way, I'm pretty sure we've already had a discussion about the various versions of the Baen publisher. I just can't find it anywhere. This gist of it was I wanted to know which one to use, when, and folks gave their input. I believe that Annie thought that the various versions were unneeded, but didn't go so far as to suggest merging them. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:32, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I would not be surprised if that had been discussed. Baen's splitting in the DB is such a mess that we either need to figure out how to split them properly or drop the pretense that we are splitting it. However - a decision for getting them merged was not taken, neither we have a workable plan to fix the whole thing I believe. It is probably on an archived page in CS or Help Desk - will look for it later. But I don't recall a decision that indeed the books are updated based on specific text somewhere (aka - what credit makes it into that publisher). Neither would any moderator be expected to remember - if there is agreement, the editor should mention so in the moderator notes technically. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Baen_vs_Baen_Books_publishers The Baen discussion]. It was for Baen vs Baen Books. You are sending books out from one of these into a third player here, splintering the publisher even more. (which may or may not be fine but is essentially one editor's decision on how to record). And none of the PVs had been called in to chime in in that Help discussion or any plan had been voiced on how we differenciate. The discussion led no decision so the usual rules apply - PVs are to be consulted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:48, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: If I had to reverse engineer the rules...<br />
:: Unless the title page has some version of "Baen|Books" in a squashed hexagon logo, use <b>Baen</b><br />
:: Two versions use the hexagon, one with "Baen|Books", and one with "Baen|Science Fiction|Books". The <b>Science Fiction</b> is a smaller font and kind of jammed between the <b>Baen</b> and <b>Books</b>. Both publishers were in use before I got involved. <br />
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:: When I asked about this earlier, I hadn't run across the SF version yet. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:05, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I am not arguing about what the publisher should be on this book - from what I saw above, one of the PVs agreed with you. We will give everyone a bit of time to see if someone else will voice an opinion. Neither we are really discussing the mess that is Baen/Baen Books. <br />
::: What we were discussing is why PVs need to be consulted and why we cannot just approve and let them disagree if they want later. There was no question on your data or update - the request to you was to discuss with the rest of the people that have the book and can check and offer an opinion/agreement as per ISFDB's established policy. The first editor/PV of a book has some leeway on how to interpret data, especially when they are working with a newish publisher for the DB (not anymore but this is an old record so it was). The second one by necessity need to find agreement. Collaborative projects need to work based on agreements and not based on "last editor in the door makes up the rules and everyone else must react after their updates". That's the crux of the issue here. Yes, it slows things down. But otherwise it is not fair to the people before that. <br />
::: I'd propose for you to start a new thread on the Help page to try to hash out the Baen situation if you are interested in actually helping solve it and untangle it -- invite the active PVs with books and let's see if we can clear the tangle of them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:32, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent)I pulled out my copy of the book and read all this. The page number edit is correct. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Page help text] allows both, but the square bracket notation is preferred. As for the publisher, front cover and copyright page have "Baen Books", spine and titlepage have "Baen Science Fiction Books". i.m.o. Baen, Baen Books and Baen Science Fiction Books should all be merged into Baen Books, so I have no problem with this change.<br />
There's one other thing, my copy has no Canadian price mentioned, I think the Canada note is a leftover from the time we had no separate records for Canadian editions and should be removed. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:59, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(Post moved to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Help:Screen:NewPub_Publisher])<br />
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== Dafydd ab Hugh's "Heroing (excerpt)" triplication ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Idly clicking through the birthday authors on the home page, I notice there are 3 separate entries for "Heroing (excerpt)" in various Baen pubs from other authors. All have verifiers, but you're the only one who seems to be currently active at the moment. Are you able to check if these are all the same content, and thus should be merged? The pubs in question are:<br />
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* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36658 The Burning Realm - Michael Reeves]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38525 The Dog and the Wolf - Karen & Poul Anderson]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?651616 Angels in Hell - ed. Janet Morris] - you haven't PVed this one, but I imagine if the above two are the same, then this one will be as well.<br />
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I'm sure these all will be the same, but it seems best to check first before merging them. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 07:47, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I actually have all three, but haven't gotten to the last one yet. I've checked, and appear identical. All 3 pages long, beginning and end of each page the same. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:55, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5128037 merge submitted] [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:46, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cryoburn notes changes ==<br />
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CD-ROM info added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?330962 Cryoburn] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:21, 14 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Acacia ==<br />
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Changes to record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259276 Acacia]: Changed date to exact date. Updated the page count. Added notes. Added regular title for the included map. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5156074 Pending submission here] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:30, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Knight of the Red Beard ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293780 The Knight of the Red Beard]. From personal copy. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:03, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Unicorn & Dragon ==<br />
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I added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52800 Unicorn & Dragon] prior to doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:10, 6 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Chantry Guild ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36981 The Chantry Guild] before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:03, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Way of the Pilgrim ==<br />
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Added notes and LCCN to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54009 Way of the Pilgrim] prior to doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Final Encyclopedia ==<br />
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Added notes, fixed page count to include unnumbered pages, added new regular title for the map to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39770 The Final Encyclopedia] based on owned copy. Will PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:38, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part Two ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201601 The Belgariad: Part Two], I discovered a missing map on unnumbered page [2]. Any problem if I add it, adjust the page numbers, and add notes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:03, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part One ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256970 The Belgariad: Part One], I discovered a missing frontispiece map. Any problem if I add it and add a note about the gutter code in my copy? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:20, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with both. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:38, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Krondor: The Betrayal ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19718 Krondor: The Betrayal], I noticed that the "Author's Afterword" on page 374 is missing. Any problem with my adding it? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:01, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:49, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Kingdom Besieged ==<br />
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Added notes and endpaper map title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340570 A Kingdom Besieged] before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:59, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Instrument of Fate ==<br />
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Could you please double check the Canadian price on {{P|18319|Instrument of Fate}}? I believe it should be C$7.99 vs. C$9.99. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:12, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: You're right. C$7.99 --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:53, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Fall of Moondust ==<br />
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On verifying my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253572 this pub], I noticed a statement on the backcover saying "Cover photograph by L. Krause Printed in USA". I would like to add the credit and change the note. Can you check your copy? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:42, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has it as well. Fine by me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:14, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! and done. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:59, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Bishop's Heir ==<br />
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There are three missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36002 The Bishop's Heir]. Would you mind if I add them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:11, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:18, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King Kelson's Bride and Saint Camber ==<br />
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There are two missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19475 King Kelson's Bride]. There are five missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256269 Saint Camber]. Would you mind if I add them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:48, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Harrowing of Gwynedd ==<br />
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Would you mind if I add the missing Appendix titles to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41302 The Harrowing of Gwynedd]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:26, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with this, or other similar requests. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:46, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Do you still want me to post similar requests? There are likely to be a bunch more. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:37, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Not needed. My tradeoffs for doing PVs considered this type of material part of the main work, rather than needing separate entry. But mostly because I've been grinding through my ~15,000 books, and I wanted to finish some day.<br />
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:::I check 'My Changed Primary Verifications' regularly and in the unlikely case that I disagree strongly I'll bring up an issue then. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:22, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Forge of God / multiple covers ==<br />
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I invite your comment on [[User_talk:Fjh#One_printing.2C_multiple_covers|this discussion]]. Thank you. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 12:28, 7 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Revenants ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|46134|The Revenants}}: If the cover artist credit is "Kinuku Craft", then that is how the cover art should be entered. Can you please confirm and either update or I can if you wish? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Seed ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5191804 this submission] on hold. Please check with Kraang and Willem H. The prior notes have "Stated 1st printing of 1968 Ballantine ed." If that is correct (as opposed to being a reference to the "First Edition: January 1968") and yours does not, then you have a reprint. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:41, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:This edit can be approved. The statement in the notes is incorrect, and should be "First Edition: January 1968". Glenn, thanks for spotting this. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:40, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved, thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:24, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Madness in Solidar ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557105 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:21, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Asimov / Fantastic Voyage II: Destination Brain==<br />
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I am editing and PVing {{P|459023|Fantastic Voyage II: Destination Brain}} and will add notes and cover. No changes or deletions to anything you have entered. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:33, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Runelords ==<br />
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Would you mind checking your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46404 this] to see if the title page shows "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men" instead of just "The Runelords". If it does, please change the title to "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men". Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:51, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry to nag, but all of the other pubs have "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men" as their title. I see you changed the title to just "The Sum of All Men" likely thinking that "The Runelords: is a series name and shouldn't be included. Been there; tried that. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#The_Runelords this thread] on my Talk page, you can see how I ended up making the change to "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men". Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:01, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The discussion there doesn't really seem to explain why the rules shouldn't be followed. Perhaps in all the Deleted sections. But there is some value to consistently not following rules. I'll submit an edit, rather than dive down the rabbit hole. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:10, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadowkeep ==<br />
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Added the cover artist to the Alan Dean Foster [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29953 publication] and updated Note to indicate source (German edition). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:50, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Written in Time ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327535 Written in Time], do you mind if I add the title for the "Afterword" on pages 643-644 before I add notes and PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:29, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:41, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Updating Amazon images ==<br />
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Per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Amazon-hosted_cover_scans this] Community Portal discussion: I've updated the images for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?198953 The Last Starfighter], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44491 The Naked God: Flight] (poor image, can you do better?), [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259547 Children of the Serpent Gate]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:06, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I don't see updates for the images for these books. Are the edits still pending? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:31, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The first was accepted about 7 minutes after you posted your message. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:06, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Odd, I couldn't see them for few days, even with forcing reloads. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:07, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I've uploaded images for 1 and 3 (full bantam logo). No joy on #2. I have a damaged cover, and this type of metallic ink is just impossible to scan well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:04, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I got my light box out and tried a natural light photo. Not perfect, but better. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:44, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== "The Weapon Shop" vs. "The Weapons Shop" by A. E. van Vogt ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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You are listed as the most recent Primary Verifier for the 1946 edition of Healy & McComas's "Adventures in Time and Space", a great anthology, and one that helped introduce me to a lot of great SF from that era. (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825)<br />
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As far as I can tell, the 1946 edition had the first reprint of "The Weapon Shop" by A. E. van Vogt (originally in Astounding, December 1942, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57432).<br />
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ISFDB notes that the 1946 edition had the story as "The Weapons Shop", a variant on the original published title. <br />
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I am curious about whether anything is known about this change in title, and would also like to confirm that the 1946 Healy & McComas is the first place the new title showed up.<br />
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I have done a bit of searching online on this question, but I have not yet found a definitive answer on which title van Vogt preferred. Both titles have been used throughout it's extensive reprint history.<br />
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I checked, and I have the 1957 edition. That definitely shows the new title, "The Weapons Shop".<br />
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I would appreciate it if you could check your 1946 copy and tell me what title for this showed up in the 1946 TOC, on the story in the body of the book, and also in the copyrights/acknowledgements and anywhere else.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:51, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: "The Weapons Shop" is used in acknowledgements, TOC, and story title page in my 1946 copy. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:38, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for that information. So far as I can tell, this was the first appearance of that version of the title.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:07, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Robots and Empire - Amazon Image==<br />
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I have replaced the unstable Amazon image for {{P|28372|Robots and Empire}} with a scan of my copy. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:03, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Godmakers ==<br />
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I added month to this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?225397, based on note in this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40719. I also added month to this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41184, based on note in this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41185. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:47, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Irons in the Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303530 Irons in the Fire]: Would you mind if I add the titles for the maps on page 10-11 and the essay on page 617 before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:24, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:28, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King Maker ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
I'm replacing the Amazon image for Broaddus' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?324973 King Maker]''. The [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KwgbKqyeL.jpg Amazon image] had the Braunbeck blurb on the left side of the cover. Please let me know if your copy disagrees and I can put it back and split the publications. I realize that I've only got a transient verification, but I'm going through the boxes of books to be donated or sold and this was one that I still had. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:16, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Your image matches my cover. I've also uploaded my scan which seems to match the color values of my copy better, mostly so you can check and see if it's a scan issue, or there is that much variability in print quality. I've already reverted to your image, but I'm curious what you think. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:27, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: And now that's actually they're on the isfdb site, they look less different than I thought earlier. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:31, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::It doesn't really matter to me which scan we use, but I've gone ahead and deleted the two older ones. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Jade Warrior ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5214311 this submission] which I'm holding. While it matches the cover, since you have primary verified it and are active, please validate that it is correct. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:57, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The price is correct, although I would have preferred the note addition to be added to the html list. Price is also on the spine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:23, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::I approved the edit and fixed the formatting. The note isn't really required. I will leave it to you if you want to remove or add info about spine. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:55, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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Whenever I enter info for someone else's record that's missing the price I add a note about where it is because certain moderators used to whine whenever I'd add something and not say exactly where it was in the book. Whenever I enter a new record for a book I don't usually specify. I used to mimic that bullet point style until I realized it's just a waste of space and just enter notes now without the dots. Also, I'm curious why the price for this book wasn't entered in the first place; usually this happens because it's too small/scratchy and can't be read until I manage to decipher it, but in this case it's big and clear. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:There is a difference when working from the book itself and when working from secondary sources, pictures, scans, etc. For the latter, you need to specify the source. In this particular case, the data is from the book, but you don't have the book. You could have put the information in the moderator note instead of the pub note. That would have let the approving moderator & the verifier know why you were editing a verified record. As for the formatting, it makes a much cleaner and easier to read record when all the notes use the same format. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:35, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't notice the price was missing when I added the cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:02, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Beyond Eden ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4309<br />
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Would this be enough to edit the publication date to the more precise: 1955-04-21?<br><br />
Review copy note found inside pb edition: [https://upload.vaa.red/23krPp#5491ba8dce3f0645cd8b91913d61495e]<br><br />
It mentions both the pb and the hc edition. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 07:17, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Seem fine, as long as the source is noted. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:05, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Pharaoh Contract ==<br />
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Would you mind looking at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39118 The Pharaoh Contract] and verifying that you also have the number line: 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and the Canadian price C$5.50? I want to add those notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:18, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I have "RAD 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1". C$ ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:01, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Hidden Queen & Changer of Days ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?67971 The Hidden Queen], I'd like to make the following changes before doing a PV:<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+389<br />
<br>Add title for the map on page [8]<br />
<br>Add title for the Glossary on page 379<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?69820 Changer of Days], I'd like to make the following changes before doing a PV:<br />
<br>Add title for the map on page [vi]<br />
<br>Add title for the Glossary on page 326<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:49, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:00, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fane ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278887 Fane], would you object if I added the following before I PV?<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+311<br />
<br>Add "First Timescape Books printing August, 1981" and the printer's key<br />
<br>Add essay title "Racial/Political Groupings on the Planet Fane" for page [7]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:04, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Go ahead. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:58, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Split Infinity and Out of Phaze ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?203137 Split Infinity]: Do you mind if I change the page count to [8]+356 and add the missing maps title before I PV? <br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25321 Out of Phaze]: Do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+309 before I add notes and PV?<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:08, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:39, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Hobbit, or There and Back Again ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, <br />
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Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?881523 this one]. Either you have a later printing (so you cannot use the 0997 from the dustjacket for the date) or it cannot have the ISBN13 printed and we need the ISBN10 instead - this is about a decade too early for ISBN13. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:31, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Missed that during the clone. I've submitted an edit with that change, and the cover image I wrangled together. The cover image I did a few days ago, but my normal process got muddled waiting for input. Metallic foil is such a joy do deal with, much less stitching multiple scans together for the complete image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:46, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Approved. And yeah - metallic foil looks nice... until you try to scan it. Thanks for fixing it! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:03, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora's Legions ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25580 Pandora's Legions], do you mind if I add the notes "First printing: February 2002" and "Cover art by Patrick Turner"? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:22, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. I'd also add 'no number line' as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:32, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Twilight's Kingdoms ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52579 Twilight's Kingdoms], do you mind if I:<br />
<br>Add maps title.<br />
<br>Add "First printing, November 1987" and no number line comment.<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+376<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:48, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with this type of edit. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== A Cold Wind from Orion ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371 A Cold Wind from Orion], do you mind if I add notes "First Edition: September 1980", No printer's key., and "Cover art by Atila Hega"? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:41, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Go ahead. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cabal ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|5865|The Cabal}} https://comicvine.gamespot.com/666-mark-of-the-beast-17/4000-248267/ is an example [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 22:30, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Project: Maldon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26805 Project: Maldon], is it OK for me to add the following notes before I PV?<br />
<br>"First printing, June 1997"<br />
<br>No printer's key.<br />
<br>"Cover art by Garry Ruddell" on the copyright page.<br />
<br>C$7.99 in Canada.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:31, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Radix ==<br />
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As there are no notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27260 Radix], I would like to add the following ones before I PV:<br />
<br>"Bantam Spectra edition / October 1985"<br />
<br>First printing per printer's key: O 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1<br />
<br>Cover artist credited in the "Acknowlegements" and per "Cover copyright © 1985 by Fred Marcellino" on the copyright page.<br />
<br>Map artist credited in the "Acknowlegements".<br />
<br>C$4.50 in Canada.<br />
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<br>In addition:<br />
<br>Change page count to [12]+466<br />
<br>Add map title on page [12]<br />
<br>Add title "Appendix (Radix)" on page 449<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: In general, I have no problem with adding information. Clashes we can work out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:28, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Skull Gate ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30717 Skull Gate], do you mind if I add the map on page 7 and some notes before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:25, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Canby's Legion ==<br />
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Based on the title page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6039 Canby's Legion], I think the publisher should be "Aspect / Warner Books" not just "Warner Books" since Aspect is on the title page as well as Warner Books. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I agree. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Devil and Deep Space Re: Wrong cover artist created ==<br />
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Hi. I have a sub on hold that shows the wrong artist is created on the copyright page. See mod note[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5231688]. If you follow the link to Matt Stawicki web page the image is signed below the knee. The cover image we have it is cut off above that point so it doesn't show. If there's no objection I'll change the credit with a note or you can. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine either way. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:28, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Cover artist update complete.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 17:08, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Tomorrow and Tomorrow ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279225; I added month from Archive.org copy of 1965 edition's copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Yaril’s Children ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55659 Yaril’s Children], I want to make the following changes before I PV:<br />
<br>Change page count to [10]+277<br />
<br>Add map title on page [10].<br />
<br>Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:16, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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Sure. When adding the meta [10], I'd make sure that it sequences (using the | syntax) before the story start. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:13, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / Small Favor==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254432 Small Favor]. I will add pub notes and the Author's Note to the Contents. No changes to the existing information. I will add the Author's Note (where applicable) to all succeeding 1st ed hc's of the Dresden Files series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 11:50, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shroud of Shadow ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|3037|Shroud of Shadow}} by Gael Baudino [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:54, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Children of Anthi and The Omcri Matrix ==<br />
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Would you please look at the changes I'm proposing with these submissions for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242631 The Children of Anthi] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242633 The Omcri Matrix]. In particular, please see if your copy shows a "Stated 1st printing" line on the copyright page of each one. My copies do not. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:33, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
Ping [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:05, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I'd say "Printing not stated, no number line, assumed first printing" for each, and change their publishers to "Ace Science Fiction Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:48, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / Brief Cases==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?661863 Brief Cases]. Will add Canadian price. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:48, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Link to: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction==<br />
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Incidentally, while I'm here, you might be interested in this topic: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Series_Number_of_Dresden_Files_short_fiction Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:48, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Girl from the Emeraline Island ==<br />
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Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40611 The Girl from the Emeraline Island] show "First Edition: May 1984" and no number line on the copyright page? I want to replace the "1st printing" note with those notes, plus add the map title on page [9] and change the page count to [10]+274 before I PV. Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I agree. I've taken to using something like: "Printing not stated, no number line, assumed first printing". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:03, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Boyer book changes ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217289 The Sword and the Satchel], if it's OK with you I'd like to replace "1st printing" with "First Edition: May 1980" and "No printer's key or printing statement so first printing assumed". I'd also like to change the page count to [6]+312.<br />
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: Sure. While checking, I decided to refresh the cover image with a better scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:24, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217293 The Thrall and the Dragon's Heart], if it's OK with you I'd like to replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: September 1982" and "No printer's key or printing statement so first printing assumed". I'd also like to change the page count to [8]+294.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:31, 28 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:24, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Sword of Chaos ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34054 Sword of Chaos] and see if the title page actually reads "Sword of Chaos and Other Stories"? My first edition/first printing has that. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:51, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Subtitle present. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Patricia Bray changes ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?144371 Devlin's Honor] would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+390+[18] and add the map title on page [7]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?65483 Devlin's Justice] would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+388 and add the map title on page [9]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?144361 The First Betrayal] would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+342+[18] and add the map title on page [7]?<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:21, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:34, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Marie Brennan titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82324 Doppelganger], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+422 and add the map on page [9]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88073 Warrior and Witch], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+448 and add the map on page [7]?<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: That's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Brokedown Palace ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5548 Brokedown Palace], do you mind if I add "Ace Fantasy edition/January 1986" and "No printer's key" notes to this pub before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:08, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. I'd also change the publisher to "Ace Fantasy Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:43, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Serpent and the Rose ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?222521 The Serpent and the Rose], would you mind if I add the map on [6] and change the page count to [6]+296? I'll also need to change the cover artist to just Donato then variant. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:52, 6 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. I'd also change the publisher to 'Tor Fantasy'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:08, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Empire Stone ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39155 The Empire Stone], would you mind if I add the map on page [8] and change the page count to [10]+413? I'll also replace the Amazon cover and add notes. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:01, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:07, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Master of Hawks ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21619 Master of Hawks], do you mind if I add "First printing—July 1979" and "No printer's key" notes? 08:53, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:21, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Furies of Calderon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70031 Furies of Calderon] do you mind if I change the page count to 594 and add the excerpt title on page 592? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:02, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has 504 pages, and no excerpt. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:23, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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::I mistyped. Mine has 504 with the "Academ's Fury" excerpt on pages 503-504. What's on your pages 503-504? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:32, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Somehow the excerptness was invisible. Mine matches your suggestion (with the page # change). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:47, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Figures of Earth ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13511 Figures of Earth] and see if the title of the essay on page xxv is actually "A Foreword"? Does page xxiii show "A Foreword" with a Latin quote and a dedication to Sinclair Lewis instead of the title "A Preface" as shown in the current pub record? That's how my copy reads. I believe the same title problem likely exists in the unPVed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436624 Canadian pub] that shares the same catalog ID. I propose to edit the "Preface" title record used only by those two pubs and then merge it with the correct title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?738153 sic]. <br />
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: My copy has "A Forward" with the Latin quote. <br />
::Page xxiii has "A Foreword" over "<i>Amoto quaeramus seria ludo</i>" over "To" over "Sinclair Lewis". Page xxv has simply "A Foreward" and that's what I would replace. Sorry for the confusion and my typing. Rtrace matches this and suggests that I do an advanced search merge rather than change the title record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:44, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:49, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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I also want to add notes "First U.S. Printing: November, 1969", "No printer's key.", and "Ballentine Books edition printed from the <i>Storisende Edition</i>". Then I'll PV. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:14, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Printing change fine. Ballentine should be Ballantine. <br />
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: PV ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:32, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10569 Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon] do you mind if I replace "Stated first printing" with "First Printing: March, 1972" and "No printer's key"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:27, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:33, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Zoboa ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262859 Zoboa], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+430 and add the title for the unsigned maps on pages [6]-[8] before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:42, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Ok. I'd consider changing the publisher to "Baen Science Fiction Books" per the title page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:34, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Exit Earth ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12793 Exit Earth], would you mind if I replace the note "First printing" with notes "First printing, April 1987" and "No printer's key" before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Printing change ok. Publisher -> "Baen Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:39, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Saturnalia ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28940 Saturnalia], would you mind if I replaced "Stated 1st printing." with "First printing, January 1986" and "No printer's key."? I'll also replace the flagged Amazon image with a scanned one. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:33, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 04:38, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Trudi Canavan titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43631 The Magicians' Guild], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+370 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The Magicians’ Guild)" on pg 366, and "Glossary (The Magicians’ Guild)" on pg 368?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44760 The Novice], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+465 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The Novice)" on pg 461, and "Glossary (The Novice)" on pg 463?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41508 The High Lord], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+531 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The High Lord)" on pg 527, and "Glossary (The High Lord)" on pg 529?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80892 Priestess of the White], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+598 and add titles for the map on [8], "Glossary (Priestess of the White)" on pg 590, and "Last of the Wilds (excerpt)" on pg 593?<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:54, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. Note that I've submitted edits for cover updates for all of these. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 05:02, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Dark Lord of Pengersick ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37932 The Dark Lord of Pengersick], do you mind if I change the page count to [4]+169, add the map title on page [2], add the title "Glossary of People, Places, and Things (The Dark Lord of Pengersick) on page 169, and change the publisher to Ace Fantasy Books? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:29, 12 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: That's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:00, 12 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Down to a Sunless Sea ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10771 Down to a Sunless Sea], would you mind if I add the title "Author's Note (Down to a Sunless Sea)" on page 173? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:50, 13 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:25, 14 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Exiles at the Well of Souls ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146081 Exiles at the Well of Souls], do you mind if I change the page count to xii+337, add title "About Time ..." on pg [xii], and import missing titles:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232675 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg ix<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232676 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg x<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232677 Appendix: Races Referred to in Exiles at the Well of Souls] on pg 331<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?787725 About the Author (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg 337<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 15 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest for the Well of Souls ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146101 Quest for the Well of Souls], would you mind if I change the page count to xii+302+[1], add title "About the Author (Quest for the Well of Souls) on page [303], and import the following missing titles?<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232679 The Wars of the Well, Part II (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg ix<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776798 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg x<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776797 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg xii<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776795 Appendix I: Races of the Southern Hemisphere (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg 293<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776796 Appendix II: Races of the Northern Hemisphere (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg 300<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:13, 15 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Return of Nathan Brazil ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220113 The Return of Nathan Brazil], do you mind if I change the page count to ix+289+[2], add title "About the Author (The Return of Nathan Brazil)" on page [291], and add missing title:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776800 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (The Return of Nathan Brazil)] on page viii<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:45, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:48, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Twilight at the Well of Souls ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?237673 Twilight at the Well of Souls: The Legacy of Nathan Brazil], do you mind if I change the page count to x+304+[1] and import missing title:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776800 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (The Return of Nathan Brazil)] on page viii<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:54, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:49, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Jack Chalker: Four Lords of the Diamond ==<br />
<br />
In the Four Lords of the Diamond series, I would like to make the following changes:<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278886 Lilith: A Snake in the Grass], change the page count to vi+248 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [vi].<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283363 Cerberus: A Wolf in the Fold], change the page count to [8]+243 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [viii].<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?140701 Charon: A Dragon at the Gate], change the page count to [8]+289 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [viii].<br />
<br><br />
<br>Would that be OK? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:33, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== War of the Maelstrom ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53739 War of the Maelstrom], do you mind if I change the page count to viii+360 and add title "Prefatory Note (War of the Maelstrom)" on page vii? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:50, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:11, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Kelly Country ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19364 Kelly Country], do you mind if I add title "Afterword to U.S. Edition" on page 347 and change "1st printing" to "First printing per printer's key: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9" plus add "First DAW Printing, August 1985"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:19, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Red Moon and Black Mountain ==<br />
<br />
Would you look at this multi-part change proposal [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Red_Moon_and_Black_Mountain here] on Rtrace's talk page and see if you have any objections? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:36, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: I'm ok with the final results. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Blue Hawk ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231189 The Blue Hawk], would you mind if I replace the inaccurate note "Stated 1st printing" with notes "First Ballantine Books Edition: August 1977" and "No printer's key or printing statement."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:27, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Prison Planet ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26715 Prison Planet], would you mind if I change "Stated 1st printing, full number line" to two notes: "Ace edition/March 1989" and "First printing by full number line."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:08, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:10, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Six of Swords ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30647 Six of Swords], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+276 and import the map title on page [7]? I'll also add a scanned cover and a couple of other notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:21, 25 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:13, 25 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Keepers of Edanvant ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19343 Keepers of Edanvant], I'd like to make the following changes before PVing:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [6]+346<br />
<br>2. Change the title for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1389038 map] from "Keepers of Edanvant (frontispiece)" to "Keepers of Edanvant (map)". It's definitely not a frontispiece.<br />
<br>3. Change the map page from bp to [6]<br />
<br>4. Add note "Both the title page and the cover show "Sword & Circlet 1" but this is the third book in the Sword & Circlet series."<br />
<br>5. Add notes for the cover artist and map artist.<br />
<br>Thanks!! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:39, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br><br />
<br>I know I've been sending you a lot and I really appreciate your quick response but did you see this post and the next two as well? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 19:02, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok with changes. I'll add a better cover scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:14, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Semper Mars ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29576 Semper Mars], would you mind if I changed the page count to [6]+376 and add the uncredited map on page [6]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:52, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:23, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Warlord of Ghandor ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53851 Warlord of Ghandor], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add a title for the frontispiece art on pg [2]<br />
<br>2. Change "First Printing" to "FIRST PRINTING, AUGUST 1977" and "First printing per printer's key: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9"<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:25, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. Just uploaded a new cover scan that's a bit better. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:28, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Spellkey Trilogy ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194797 The Spellkey Trilogy], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+630 and add title "Author's Note (The Spellkey Trilogy)" on page [5]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:45, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:23, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Paula E. Downing titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28221 Rinn's Star], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st edition." with "First Edition: December 1990" and "No printer's key or printing statement."<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13906 Flare Star], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: April 1992" and "No printer's key or printing statement.", change the page count to [6]+249, and add the map on page [5]?<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:35, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok for both. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:24, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Vettius and His Friends ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53294 Vettius and His Friends], would you mind if I change the page count to 304+[8] and add missing title "Men Hunting Things (excerpt)" on page [309] before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:39, 28 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: No problem in general, but note that that excerpt has been labeled [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2903233 It's a Lot Like War (Men Hunting Things excerpt)] in other Baen publications. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:18, 29 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Oh, and I've submitted an edit that improves the cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:19, 29 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Year of the Ransom in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80820 Time Patrol] ==<br />
<br />
Hi! Depending on the outcome of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Poul_Anderson.27s_The_Year_of_the_Ransom this thread] it seems that this fiction text is really a novella. So, don't be surprised that the OMNIBUS may have to be turned into a COLLECTION. Though I guess that ought to be done anyway? (Typically an OMNIBUS should have at least two booklength content titles, as was communicated quite recently). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:35, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Dave Duncan titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21088 Magic Casement], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+307 and add title "Magic Casement (maps)" by uncredited on page [11]? <br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12999 Faery Lands Forlorn], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+335 and add title "Faery Lands Forlorn (maps)" by uncredited on page [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29786 Shadow], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: November 1987" and "No printer's key or printing statement"<br />
<br>2. Change the page count to [10]+276<br />
<br>3. Add title "Shadow (map)" on page [9]<br />
<br>4. Add title "Glossary (Shadow)" on page 273<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:19, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: All ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:46, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Queen of Sorcery ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228825 Queen of Sorcery], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+327 and import the missing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1396496 map title] on page [6]? I'll also add a scanned cover and several notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:45, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:20, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Warslayer ==<br />
<br />
I propose making multiple changes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49663 The Warslayer]: <br />
<br>1. Title<br />
<br>. 1a. Change the pub title to "The Warslayer: The Incredibly True Adventures of Vixen the Slayer, The Beginning" to match the the title page and the WorldCat entries. The existing short form doesn't comply with the instructions in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles this help].<br />
<br>. 1b. Remove the note starting with "Subtitled".<br />
<br>. 1c. Unmerge the 'long' pub title from the existing title then make the existing title a variant of the 'long' title since it is the earliest pub.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>2. Change page count to 312 to match the book.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>3. Essay<br />
<br>. 3a. Remove essay title "God’s Teeth! The Making of a Cult Phenomenon" and delete the associated title record. I don't think this is an actual piece written by Greg Cox since there is no copyright for it on the copyright page and it doesn't show in his bibliography on his website.<br />
<br>. 3b. Add note "Pages 1-5 of the book are a fictional essay titled "God’s Teeth! The Making of a Cult Phenomenon" purportedly by Greg Cox."<br />
<br><br />
: I just consider it part of the book. The page says "by Greg Cox", and I don't have a good reason to not believe it.<br />
<br>4. Replace the Amazon cover with this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/4c/THWRSLYR2002.jpg scanned cover] that I already uploaded.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>5. Add notes:<br />
<br>"The title on the cover is "The Warslayer" [over] "An Incredibly True Adventure of Vixen the Slayer".<br />
<br>"Pages 288-312 are a fictional episode guide titled "VIXEN THE SLAYER: The Episode Guide (Season One)"".<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:46, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: As above. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:19, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
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== The Sword of Shannara ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glenn -<br />
<br />
I'm going to add individual interior art items for each of the illustrations for Terry Brooks' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159571 The Sword of Shannara]''. I'm going to do individual records as some of them have been reprinted and I'd like to make the variant relationships. I'll also try to find a cover scan. I'd scan mine, but there are flaws. Please let me know if you have any objections to this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My cover isn't any better. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:14, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Year of the Warrior ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glen, you still need an entry in the content field of the title record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?26876 here]. In this case, 2N. Here is the relevant [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Content help] page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:45, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: I think I'll add the series name given on the title pages of the individual novels in <b>The Year of the Warrior</b>. (<b>Saga of Erling Skjalgsson</b>) and mark the contents "1,2". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:10, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Eldrie the Healer ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35544 Eldrie the Healer], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+237 and add map title "Eldrie the Healer (map)" by uncredited on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:07, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Missing responses ==<br />
<br />
I suspect you missed seeing these three posts from March 26. I'd rather have your approvals/comments than go through the no response Mod Board procedure.<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Keepers_of_Edanvant Keepers of Edanvant]<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Semper_Mars Semper Mars]<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Warlord_of_Ghandor Warlord of Ghandor]<br />
<br />
[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:54, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: You're right, I missed them. Answered at original entries. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:29, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:16, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Art of the Sword ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35357 The Art of the Sword], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>Change the page count to [10]+262<br />
<br>Add essay title "Cast of Characters (The Art of the Sword)" on page [6]<br />
<br>Add map "The Art of the Sword (map) on page [8]<br />
<br>I'll also add some notes and replace the Amazon cover with a scanned cover.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:07, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Mountains & Madness ==<br />
<br />
I'm confused by the inclusion of E. J. Cherhavy as a co-author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555 Mountains & Madness]. He's not referenced on the title page or the copyright page, in the [https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchArg=9780671721909&searchCode=ISBL&searchType=1 LCCN record], or the [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mountains-madness/oclc/28827888?referer=di&ht=edition WorldCat record]. The only reference I could find was in Locus1. I think his name should be removed from this pub record and a note added about the bad Locus1 reference. What so you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:03, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My guess is that the 2nd author is from Mayfair Games. No idea how Locus figured it out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:59, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And I've uploaded a better cover while checking it out. (edit submitted) --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:06, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::So should I remove it since it's not on title page and add the note? Or do we need to get a moderator opinion first? I have a couple of other notes to add as well as the LCCN and WorldCat IDs. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Perhaps a moderator is appropriate. I'd guess that it could end up with this entry as a variant of the two author one. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:18, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::I submitted this to the Help Desk [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Mountains_.26_Madness_author_problem here] for guidance. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:30, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== A Lost Tale ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?811 A Lost Tale], would you mind if I change the page count to x+206, and add the title for "Author's Note (A Lost Tale)" on page vii? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:38, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Seems like it should be 'ix+206' by the page rules. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:35, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::You are correct. OK otherwise? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:21, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:13, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The People of the Mist ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45199 The People of the Mist], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First printing: December, 1973" and "No printer's key"? I also have a better scanned cover ready to upload. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:38, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:46, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Wizard's Ward ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71640 The Wizard's Ward], I'd like to change the pub date to 2005-07-12 as stated on Amazon.com and add a source note. There's no stated source for the existing date. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:23, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 23:27, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Darwath novels ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48627 The Time of the Dark], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+263 and add the title "The Time of the Dark (map)" by Barbieri on page [6]? <br />
<br><br />
<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231889 The Walls of Air], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+297 and add the title "The Walls of Air (maps)" by uncredited on page [5]? I'll also add a scanned cover.<br />
<br><br />
: Sure. Might also add the map on page 3.<br />
<br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227885 The Armies of Daylight], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+309 and add the title "The Armies of Daylight (map) by uncredited on page [5]? I'll also add a scanned cover.<br />
<br><br />
<br />
: Sure. <br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:05, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:02, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Songs of Muad'Dib ==<br />
<br />
Glenn, any objections to me adding the contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31232 Songs of Muad'Dib]? Since my source is The Locus Index, I would appreciate you checking for any discrepancies after I finish. I would also like to remove the note regarding the cover art, then credit it to 'Frederic Marvin'. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:06, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:34, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Hopefully, there aren't too many title or page number differences. I still need to add original publication notes, but that will not trigger any more 'My Changed Primary Verifications' alerts. Thanks for you help. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::: Both the TOC and the titles on the Poem pages 7 & 8 are labeled "A Song of the New Ireland". The titles entered in the record are actually the respective first lines of each poem. <br />
::: Page 31 is titled "Untitled". Title given is the first line.<br />
::: Page 33 is titled "Untitled Haiku", etc<br />
::: Page 34 is titled "Untitled Haiku (About Brian)" ...<br />
::: Page 43 is titled "Untitled Haiku" ...<br />
::: Page 44 is titled "Untitled Haiku" ...<br />
::: Page 61 is titled "A Song of Muad'Dib"<br />
::: Page 71 is titled "A Song of Muad'Dib"<br />
::: Page 78 is titled "Katsuk's Prayer"<br />
::: Page 109–111 is an essay titled "Bibliography/Notes".<br />
<br />
::: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:26, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::: I was hoping they would just use the first lines for the untitled works. The title on page 78 will have to stay "Katsuk's Prayer [1]". When content is repeated in a publication, it requires disambiguation and a variant due to software limitations. I'll make the necessary changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Let me know if my assumption re: Katsuk's Prayer is incorrect. If it is a different poem, with the same name, I need to break the variant and make a slight change to the note. Either way, the disambiguation is necessary. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:47, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::: In general, they did use a quoted version of the first line of the poems that were untitled.<br />
::: The "Katskuk's Prayer on 39 starts "Raven, Raven, keep the edge on my hate.". The one on 78 begins with "O, Life Giver". I noted 78 above just to be complete, but knew it was to disambiguate. <br />
::: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:32, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::: Done! Always enjoy working with you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:08, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::: Why the mix of square brackets and parenthesis for the disambiguation? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:41, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::: I don't know why they used square brackets for the two titles on pages 7 & 8. I can comment on how untitled poetry is generally handled if you are interested [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:55, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Greyfax Grimwald ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16033 Greyfax Grimwald], would you mind if I import the title "Greyfax Grimwald (maps)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1150667] for the maps that start on page 5? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:27, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:12, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat Scratch Fever ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6348 Cat Scratch Fever], would you mind if I change the page count to 376+[2] and add the Author's Note on page [377]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:47, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:10, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Silver Moons, Black Steel ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30495 Silver Moons, Black Steel], would it be OK to change the page count to 434+[6] and add titles "Author's Note" on page 430 and "Wolfwalker (excerpt)" on page [435]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:20, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:11, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Alternate Names in Interviews ==<br />
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Just a reminder, please use the canonical name in the <b>interviewee</b> field, even if the interview title uses an alternate name (there is no way to variant). The interview in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5604 Brothers in Arms] needs to be corrected. While you're there, the same alternate name [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?7231 Ben Weaver] has a title which needs to be made a variant. Ignore this if you have already handled them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:45, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Edits submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:08, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gauntlet of Malice ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40452 The Gauntlet of Malice], would you mind if I make the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to xv+336<br />
<br>2. Add title "Foreword (The Gauntlet of Malice)" on page vi which is a fictional in-world essay.<br />
<br>3. Add title "Cast of Characters (The Gauntlet of Malice)" on page xii<br />
<br>4. Add scanned cover [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8b/BKTG05558.jpg]<br />
<br>5. Import title "The Gauntlet of Malice (map)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2026242 here] on page [xiv]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:18, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:09, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Spiral of Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31744 Spiral of Fire], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+468 and add title "Spiral of Fire (map)" on page [6] and title "Cast of Characters (Spiral of Fire) on page [9]? I'll also add a scanned cover. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:06, 20 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:07, 22 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226769 Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. import "Afterword (Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1910796 1910796] on page 307<br />
<br>2. add "Selected Readings (Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died)" by uncredited on page 345<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:17, 21 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok.<br />
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== ''Seaborn'' cover artist ==<br />
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Hi. I changed "Timonthy" to "Timothy" in the cover artist credit in you verified {{P|250303|Seaborn}}. If it wasn't a typo, let me know and I'll revert it (I only noticed because I was dealing with various Lantz credits). Thanks --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: 'Timothy' is correct per copyright page and back cover. I've submitted an edit adding some copyrights to the notes. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 25 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fanuilh ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13202 Fanuilh], would you mind if change the page count to [8]+259 and add the uncredited map title on page [6]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:12, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:33, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heart of Light ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?240185 Heart of Light] and see if the excerpt on page [507] is actually for "Soul of Fire" like it is in my copy? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Yep... probably a copy-paste thinko. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:05, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heroing: or, How He Wound Down the World ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16971 Heroing: or, How He Wound Down the World], would you mind if I change the page count to 346, change the publisher to Baen Books, add a "No printer's key" note, and add the essay title "Afterward" on page [346] with a misspelling note? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:58, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'd change the page count to '345+[1]'. I'm less certain about the publisher change. The 'Baen Books' in a hexagon on the title page isn't present, which was the criteria that I used to change Baen to Baen Books. There was a discussion about how to partition somewhere on the help pages. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:04, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I can't find the Baen discussion so I'll leave it alone. I was basing my potential change on the copyright page since there was nothing on the title page. I agree about the page count but it took re-reading the how-to a couple of times to see why! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Baen_vs_Baen_Books_publishers Baen vs Baen Books publishers]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:19, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Pressure Man ==<br />
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Glenn, I approved the replacement of the unstable cover image in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212385 verified] pub. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:02, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Celestial Hit List ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6473 Celestial Hit List], the spelling of the cover artist is "Vincent DiFate" on the copyright page but is "Vincent Di Fate" in the pub record. I just submitted changes to make the pub record match the copyright page value and will make the new cover title record a variant of the existing cover art title record. Let me know if this is a problem. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:57, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ian Irvine titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1113 A Shadow on the Glass], would it be OK if I:<br />
<br>Change the page count to [14]+654+[1]<br />
<br>Change the map start page to [10]<br />
<br>Add essay title "Glossary of Characters, Names and Places (A Shadow on the Glass)" on page 642<br />
<br>Add essay title "Guide to Pronunciation" on page [655]<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48763 The Tower on the Rift], would it be OK if I:<br />
<br>Add essay title "Glossary of Characters, Names and Places (The Tower on the Rift)" on page 643<br />
<br>Add essay title "Guide to Pronunciation (The Tower on the Rift)" on page [659]<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:51, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:02, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== J. V. Jones titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35497 The Baker's Boy], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+552 and import the map title on page [8]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827 A Man Betrayed], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+598 and add the map title "A Man Betrayed (map)" on page [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21607 Master and Fool], would it be OK if I make the following changes?<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+645+16<br />
<br>2. Change the start page number for "The Barbed Coil (excerpt)" to 3 and add the note "The book ends on page 645. The page numbers restart from 1 for "The Barbed Coil" excerpt."<br />
<br>3. Add title "Master and Fool (map)" by uncredited on page [8]<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 12 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Since all the maps are the same, perhaps merging them down to "The Book of Words (map)". Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:43, 13 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge? ==<br />
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Hi Glenn - can you have a look [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#To_merge_or_not_to_merge.3F here] and let us know if these are merge candidates? If not, can you add notes to the title records as why they shouldn't be merged? Thanks in advance, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: See answer at link. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:05, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts ==<br />
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Consider adding a note on all excerpts indicating what the excerpt consists of. It will help with situations like the previous post. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 19 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:18, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Idylls of the Queen ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247173 The Idylls of the Queen], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+341 and add the title "Foreword (The Idylls of the Queen)" on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 22 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:11, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unicorn Quest ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49101 The Unicorn Quest], would you mind if I add the map on page 3 and a scanned cover? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:05, 23 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:13, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Starbright ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32911; I added cover artist from recently uploaded copy on Archive.org; it's Hejja like other editor's note thought it was. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:54, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:14, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sword and the Tower ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48221 The Sword and the Tower], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+216 and add the map on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:34, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:18, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire in the Mist ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13622 Fire in the Mist], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+291, import the map title on page [5], add the title "Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms (Fire in the Mist)" on page 283, and change the publisher to Baen Fantasy? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:04, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has the map on page [6]. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:22, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::The map is indeed on page [6]. I had it right in my notes and mistyped it here. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:58, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mind of the Magic ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22244 Mind of the Magic], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+305<br />
<br>2. Change the page for the map title to [9]<br />
<br>3. Add note "The map on page [9] is uncredited and has no signature but is the same as the map credited to Ellen Kostyk in <i>Fire in the Mist</i>."<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Glossary (Mind of the Magic)" by uncredited on page 295<br />
<br><br>I'd also like to change the author for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2832900 map title] to Ellen Kostyk.<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:07, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:23, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Memory of Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44032 Memory of Fire], would you mind if I add the essay on page 350 as "Author's Endnote (Memory of Fire)" and the fictional interview on page 353 as "Interview with a Dragon"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:32, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ice & Iron ==<br />
<br />
Added some notes to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88943 Ice & Iron].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Watchtower ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188549 Watchtower], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+226<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>2. Add interiorart title "Watchtower (map)" by uncredited on page [7]<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>3. Add interiorart title "Watchtower" by uncredited on page [9]<br />
: Seems like it should be something like "Plan of Tornor Keep (diagram)".<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Appendix: The Cards of Fortune (Watchtower)" by uncredited on page 223<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:17, 30 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Third Eagle ==<br />
<br />
On the title page of my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48488 The Third Eagle] there is what looks like a subtitle under the drawing. Based on this, I would like to change the title to "The Third Eagle: Lessons Along a Minor String". The record for the Doubleday hardcover edition has this subtitle and this pub is stated as being the complete text of that edition. Would it be OK to make the change? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Kothar ==<br />
<br />
I replaced unstable Amazon cover of Belmont edition of Conjurer's Curse with Bookscans.com cover, and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38734, with current Amazon cover that's stable and looks better. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:41, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Earth Logic ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70029 Earth Logic], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+436 and add the map title on page [11]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:34, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:17, 10 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Dragonflight ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?272328 Dragonflight], would you mind if I change the page count to x+309, add Gino D'Achille as the cover artist, add note "Cover Art by Gino D'Achille" from the copyright page, and change the start page to "ix"? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:47, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Generally ok, but I'm a bit torn about changing the start page to the in-story introduction. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:34, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Good point. I just looked at it some more and think that instead of changing the start page, I should just import the Introduction [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1005856 essay title] and place it on page ix. Since the Introduction is listed in the ToC, that would likely be a better solution. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:18, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Dragonseye ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11288 Dragonseye], would you mind if I import the map by Shelly Shapiro on page [vi]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:35, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Masterharper of Pern ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?319595 The Masterharper of Pern], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+422 and change the page for the map to [8]? I'll also remove the invalid LCCN reference and replace it with a note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:51, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:36, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== For the Witch of the Mists ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?275334; I replaced unstable Amazon image with Bookscans image; it's a bit clearer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:06, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I replaced Bookscans image with FantLab image, which shows the full wraparound cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:47, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Skies of Pern ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47388 The Skies of Pern], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+456+[11]<br />
<br>2. Import title "Ninth Pass Pern (map)" on page [10]<br />
<br>3. Import title "The Physics of Pern" on page [457]<br />
<br>4. Add new title "Dragondex (The Skies of Pern)" on page [463]<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:54, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Dragonsblood ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228365 Dragonsblood], I'd like to change the page count to xiii+452+[7]; the current Roman numeral count doesn't account for the map and the unnumbered count at the end is wrong by current standards. I'd also like to import the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1581579 map] title on page [xii] and add a couple of notes. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:04, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:13, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Fool's Run ==<br />
<br />
Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14114 this] is Geoff Taylor (same as paperbackedition). Credited [http://www.geofftaylor-artist.com/galleries/cover-art/art/fools-run">here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:00, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Thlassa Mey series ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13993 Flight to Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+319 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53920 Warriors of Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+337 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20756 Lords of Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+294 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1587 Across the Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+247 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35993 The Birth of the Blade], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+277 and add the map on page [6]?<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:59, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:10, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Antares Dawn ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2826 Antares Dawn], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+310<br />
<br>2. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page [7] as "Foldspace Chart: Antares Cluster/Napier Sector (map)" by Shelly Shapiro along with a note about the map artist.<br />
<br>4. Remove the invalid LCCN from External and add appropriate note.<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:23, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:07, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Quest of the Dark Lady ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181489; I subbed Bookscans' cover for Amazon's. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:36, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Gambler's Fortune ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40306 The Gambler's Fortune], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+518 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:59, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:33, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Assassin's Edge ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3226 The Assassin's Edge], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+514 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:20, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:33, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Beachhead Planet ==<br />
<br />
You need to gain concurrance from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Kraang Kraang] for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5345522 this edit]. He will probably approve the submission as soon as he sees your note. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:36, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Iron Tower Trilogy ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37970 The Dark Tide], would you mind if I add the essay title "Journal Notes (The Dark Tide)" on page [xi] and the map title "The Dark Tide (map)" on page [xiv]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover.<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30069 Shadows of Doom], would you mind if I add the map title "Shadows of Doom (map)" on page [xiv]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover with a scanned cover.<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38003 The Darkest Day], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+302 and add the map title "The Darkest Day (map) on page [10]? Even though the ToC has a Roman numeral for the map page number, I think I should use an Arabic number since there are no printed Roman page numbers.<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:50, 21 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'd think you'd want to add the maps as a shared record. Perhaps something like "A Part of Mithgar (Iron Tower Trilogy map)". As for the Roman vs. Arabic unnumbered pages, it seems a bit obscure. What do you think of using [x] instead? I'd at least note it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:41, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Sigh. I somehow missed the title on the maps so I'll create the shared map title. As to the page number for the map, I'll use the decimal but create a note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:31, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek to Kraggen-Cor ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16363 Trek to Kraggen-Cor], would you mind if I add the essay "Journal Notes (Trek to Kraggen-Cor)" on page xi and the map "The Brega Path (map)" on page [14]? The map page number could also be rendered as [xiv] since there are no printed page numbers on the pages between xi and 17. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:29, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Seems like it should be Roman, as it's pre-story. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:28, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Riddle-Master of Hed ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827576 The Riddle-Master of Hed], would you mind if I add the essay title "People and Places (The Riddle-Master of Hed)" on page 223? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:11, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:27, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Siege of Orbitor ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188349; I added month (October); Newman mentions it on his old Tripod site. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:42, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Starship Death ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?242529; I added OL ID and replaced cover with SF-Encyclopedia.com cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:04, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Helix and the Sword ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8913 The Helix and the Sword], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add the interiorart title "The Helix and the Sword (maps)" on page xiii<br />
<br>2. Add the essay "Chronology (The Helix and the Sword)" on page xv<br />
<br>3. Add the essay "Introduction (The Helix and the Sword)" on page xxi<br />
<br>4. Add the essay title "Glossary (The Helix and the Sword)" on page 264<br />
<br>5. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>6. Add notes about the untitled fictional letter on page vii, the Chronology, and the Introduction.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:43, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:26, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Larry Niven / Ringworld ==<br />
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I am PVing and editing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28210 Ringworld]. I will add a couple of notes: 1) source of the "First Edition" statement - Currey 2) derivation of the ISBN from the SBN. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:16, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gate Thief ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon image with a scan for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435353 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:52, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Crucible of Gold (Novik) ==<br />
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I've also replaced the Amazon image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410619 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:59, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Jitterbug ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19004 Jitterbug], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+422+[1]<br />
<br>2. Add title "Western Sector: America (map)" on page [6]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Eastern Sector (map) on page [7]<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Glossary (Jitterbug)" on page 407<br />
<br>5. Add essay title "Appendix 1: Brief History of the World" on page 412<br />
<br>6. Add essay title "Appendix 2: Memo" on page 415<br />
<br>7. Add interiorart title "Appendix 3: Chain of Command (org chart)" on page 420<br />
<br>8. Add interiorart title "Caricature of Mike McQuay" by Mel White on page [423]<br />
<br>Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:18, 25 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:51, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Larry Niven / Limits ==<br />
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I am PVing and editing the US version of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?248393 Limits]. The ISFDb pub record has the story "Folk Tale" on p205, whereas in my copy of the book it is "Table Manners" both on p205 and in the TOC. The latter is a variant title of the former. Can you please check your copy and advise. If it is consistent with mine then I will make the appropriate change. I have posted this note on the talk pages of Willem H, Dirk P Broer & GlennMcG. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:50, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has "FOLK" over "TALE" on p205, and "Folk Tale" in the TOC. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:29, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::We have a conclusion so I am posting this note on all your talk pages (Willem H, Dirk P Broer and GlennMcG). It is quite bizarre: there are two versions of the first printing. Willem H and GlennMcG have the version with "Folk Tale" on p205 whereas Dirk P Broer and I have the version with "Table Manners" on p205. I will clone the existing record, alter it to show the "Table Manners" title and add a pub note explaining the difference between the two versions. Then I will edit the original record and add a corresponding pub note. This should help to prevent a future editor thinking that these are duplicate records and deleting one of them. Thank you all for your help in resolving this matter. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:42, 30 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Warrior and the Witch ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49619 The Warrior and the Witch], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [xiv]+226<br />
<br>2. Add title "Author's Note (The Warrior and the Witch)" on page [vii]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Newport (maps)" on page [x]<br />
<br>4. Add title "East of the Sea (map)" on page [xiv]<br />
<br>5. Add title "Appendix One: Chronology on page 217<br />
<br>6. Add title "Appendix Two: Wentletrap's Dynasty (genealogy table) on page 220<br />
<br>7. Add title "Appendix Three: The Holy Family" on page 221<br />
<br>8. Add title "Index of Names (The Warrior and the Witch)" on page 222<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:56, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Innocent Mage ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246949 The Innocent Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+642+[18] and import the map title "The Kingdom or Lur" on page [6]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:15, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:58, 1 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Awakened Mage ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246953 The Awakened Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+712+[12] and correct the start page numbers? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:30, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Mostly ok, but the page # corrections play into a sort of gray area for page numbering (at least for me). I'd leave the main story on page 1, it points at the 'part one', not the additional main title page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:05, 1 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Crystal Warriors ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37703; I replaced "P" cover with similar OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:40, 4 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Starfish cover ==<br />
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Things are a bit chaotic as far as my book storage goes, but I just found my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257488 Starfish], and yes, silver ink background to the title of the book. I hope that answers your question. By the way, I've been meaning to read this novel, is it any good? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:42, 4 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm afraid I haven't read it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:37, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mace of Souls ==<br />
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Hi. For {{P|43451}}, my copy has "First Avon Books Printing: 1991" (a decade after the current record). I expect this is simply a typo, but would you mind checking your copy, please?--[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 05:48, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: You're right, it's a typo. 1991 is correct. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:37, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Passport to Eternity ==<br />
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Added a note to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25682 Passport to Eternity].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:00, 18 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Surgeon ==<br />
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I've imported the cover credit for Mel Hunter for the SFBC edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?838982 Star Surgeon] from the first edition. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 21:29, 19 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Meeting of the Waters ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44014 The Meeting of the Waters], would you mind if if change the page count to [10]+593, add the Author's Note title on page [9], and add the map title on page [10]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:50, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:48, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sundering Flood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48137 The Sundering Flood], would you mind if I change the page count to xv+238 and add the uncredited map on page [xv]? The current Roman numeral page count is incorrect since the last printed page number is xiii not xii. I'll also add cover artist, map artist, and ISBN/SBN notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:05, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:55, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Lady Blade ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19819; OL ID, OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:35, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Dirge for Sabis ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482 A Dirge for Sabis], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+393 and add the map title on page [5]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:26, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:46, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark of the Moon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8901 Dark of the Moon], the cover art is currently attributed to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106181 Heffernan]. I'm virtually certain that this is actually an alternate name for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25927 David Heffernan] -- the block letter signature on Dark of the Moon closely matches the block letter signature on my copy of [Caught in Crystal]; and the cover art for Yngwie Malmsteen's album Trilogy ([https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71-bKDA3YzL._SL1395_.jpg front] [https://albumartexchange.com/covers/536219-trilogy-back back] has a signature on the front that matches Dark of the Moon even more closely, and has an explicit David Heffernan credit on the back. Assuming that this holds up, what would be the best way of handling it? I had initially submitted an edit to the cover artist entry on Dark of the Moon, but as I think about it, would it make more sense to link the two artist records? Or to leave the artist name alone and mention it in a note? Or to ...?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:21, 25 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Previous editors didn't give the source of the cover artist credit. However, the cover clearly has a Herffernan signature, so the attribution seem correct, but a note should have been added giving its source. (I can do so, if you'd like).<br />
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:: Yes, if you could, that'd be great. I'll withdraw my current edit.<br />
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: It doesn't seem unlikely that a artist credit could appear both with and without a first name. It seems better to me to link the two artist records, but you could always bring it up on the wiki help page for more authoritative guidance. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:23, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, that makes sense. I'll see what they have to say. Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:08, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== God Stalk ==<br />
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Also, I was looking at my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15616 God Stalk] and it looks like this is another [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106181 Heffernan] cover -- on the very bottom right-hand corner, when I looked with a magnifying glass and a flashlight, I could make out a partial signature that again matches the block letter Heffernan signature on Dark of the Moon et al. Again, I'm not sure of the best way to handle this -- just document in a note, or ...?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:21, 25 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy seems to have a complete 'HEFFERNAN' signature on the cover, albeit somewhat blurry. I'd credit as the single name, and note it, as per the help info for cover artist edits. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:41, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK, I'll do that. Again, thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:09, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== First Truth ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13841 First Truth], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+336 and add the map on page [5]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:52, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:54, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Web ==<br />
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Added cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32888 Star Web] and modified associated note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 29 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Species Imperative ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?68985 Survival], would you mind if I change the page count to x+483 to match the book? I'll also add the WorldCat ID and replace the Amazon cover. <br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82172 Migration], would you mind if I change the page count to x+527 to match the book? I'll also add the WorldCat ID and replace the Amazon cover. <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:16, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:56, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Starfollowers of Coramonde ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255082 The Starfollowers of Coramonde], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [6]+361<br />
<br>2. Import the map title (record 1406573) on page [6] plus fix the map title date<br />
<br>3. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: February 1979" and "No printer's key so first printing assumed." notes.<br />
<br>4. Add LCCN<br />
<br>5. Add notes for cover artist, map artist, LCCN<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:58, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== test math input ==<br />
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<math>\alpha</math><br />
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== The Regiment's War ==<br />
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I submitted a change for the page count on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46001 The Regiment's War] to match the last printed page number. Once approved it will match the LCCN and WorldCat data. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:10, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Moonheart: A Romance ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22754 Moonheart: A Romance], would you mind if I add the Author's Note on page 479 and the Appendix on page 481? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:00, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Greenmantle ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16001 Greenmantle], would you mind if I import the Author's Note (title record 1719684) on page 328? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:59, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380088 this submission] on hold. Shouldn't the other two titles be variants of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3064231 Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy]? Only reason I looked for this submission is because I was reviewing your earlier edits when Ron approved them. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: ahh.. I added the variant based on which title was entered earlier, rather than published. Also, it's seems odd that the other longer 'chocolate pot' publications names don't match <br />
shorter title record. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:55, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Subtitles in some of the publication titles, not in the title record. Do you want to change your submission(s)? If so, I'll approve them. Looks like one title record will need a date change too. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Should subtitles drive varianting? I guess I don't quite understand when it's ok to have a title with various publication names, vs. varianting. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:33, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Date determines the parent. 'Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy' published in 1988 is the oldest. 'Sorcery and Cecelia or The Enchanted Chocolate Pot' title date is 2003, it is a variant. I would correct the title record to 2003-05-00, add the subtitle, and variant. Sorcery & Cecelia or The Enchanted Chocolate Pot only needs to have the parent variant record number changed from 6862 to 3064231. I will release the hold if you disagree. If you agree, I'll approve the changes. No problem either way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:58, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please go ahead. (I'm off for a week on vacation). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:52, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Prince of Ill Luck ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45593 The Prince of Ill Luck]. I changed the note "1st edition as per number line" to a quoted edition note and a no number line note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looks good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:04, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Purple Pirate ==<br />
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Do you know a reason as to why [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274785 this] publication has not been included in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?23865 this] series given it's published by Zebra Books/Kensington Publishing Corp. and has "Volume 4" prominently on the cover ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:37, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Not really. In fact, in my own personal catalog, I have it as volume 4 of 'Tros of Samothrace'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:02, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Database Typose ==<br />
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Can you double check these possible database typos?<br />
* dispair - {{T|3044618|City of Hope & Dispair (excerpt)}} in {{P|327912|City of Dreams & Nightmare}}<br />
* habeus - {{T|2957630|Habeus Corpses (excerpt)}} in {{P|72833|Dead on My Feet}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:59, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Both typos. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:53, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Fixed, thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:52, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Course of Empire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?68663 The Course of Empire], would you mind if I import the following titles?<br />
<br>On page [5] "Cast of Characters (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 654 "Glossary of Jao Terms (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 657 "Appendix A: The Ekhat (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 663 "Appendix B: Interstellar Travel (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:37, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:52, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fata Morgana ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128641 The Fata Morgana], would you mind if I change the page count to 313+[1] and add the Author's note on page [314]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:52, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:34, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Man Whose Name Wouldn't Fit ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196257; I added Luminist PDF and entered the whole ID, 123-07020-075. EDIT: My edit was rejected because mod claimed only 07020 needed to be entered, and then mod made their own edit adding the PDF I found. I pointed out that publisher Curtis Books has about five dozen other ISFDB entries where the whole ID was entered, but whether any mods are going to respond to that or decide which way of entering the ID is actually correct remains to be seen. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:19, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5710577; Subtitle entered in note should be part of title according to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper / Deadly Image ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of: Willem H, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9422 Deadly Image] and propose to: <br> 1) update date to 1958-05-00, add pub note stating source which is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205393 1969 Ballantine second printing] and update date on title and coverart records <br> 2) add pub note advising that the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293455 1958 UK Hutchinson hc] states that it is preceded by this edition <br> 3) delete the Clute/Nichols (sic) reference in accordance with my post: 'Clute/Nicholls and "First Edition"' on the Moderators' Noticeboard dated 3 April 2022 (now archived) <br> Are you ok with all this? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:11, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:10, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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==Edmund Cooper / Tomorrow's Gift==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of: Kraang, Willem H, Dirk P Broer, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189277 Tomorrow's Gift] <br> 1) the pub record has a contents entry "Brain Child". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 63 is "The Brain Child" <br> 2) the pub record has a contents entry "M81-Ursa Major". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 95 is "M81: Ursa Major" <br> I will make the appropriate corrections and add pub notes regarding the discrepancies with the TOC [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:56, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Instrument of Fate ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18319 Instrument of Fate], do you mind if I change the page count to [8]+293 and add the map title on page [7]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:49, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:47, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Shrine of the Desert Mage ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30373 Shrine of the Desert Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+243 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:27, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:48, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gatekeepers ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40407 The Gatekeepers] and see if the title on page [7] is "Preface" not "Introduction"? I'd like to change title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?980592] to "Preface (The Gatekeepers)". I know that title is also part of the hardcover edition verified by the inactive KPulliam but it's highly unlikely that there would be a difference in titles between the hardcover and the paperback editions. I'd also like to change the page count to [8]+456. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:40, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has 'Preface'. (Introduction probably came from the front cover). Ok with page count. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:56, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I added the Open Library link to the hc. The archive has a scanned copy of the first printing. It confirms 'Preface'. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:20, 22 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== God Game ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15603 God Game], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add the map on page 308.<br />
<br>2. Add the Author's Note on page 309.<br />
<br>3. Add WorldCat and misc notes.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:35, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:49, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== White Mare, Red Stallion ==<br />
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There is a very unlikely author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54545 this publication], under the same name as the work itself.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:15, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Copy/paste error. Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:35, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ten Thousand ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250428 The Ten Thousand], would you mind if I add the map on page 6 and the Glossary on page 467? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:34, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:55, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vain Command ==<br />
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After a discussion with one of the moderators [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#Squadron_Alert here], I have submitted an edit to add the missing Roman numeral page numbers to<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32925 Vain Command]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:30, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Daggerspell and Darkspell - Del Rey ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8587 Daggerspell], I'd like to add the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to 16+395<br />
<br> Seems like it should be [16]+395<br />
<br>2. Import title 2135194 "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (Daggerspell)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Add map title "The Provinces of the Kingdom of Deverry in the Year 1060 (map)" on page [12]<br />
<br>4. Add map title "Southern Eldidd in 1060 (map)" on page [14]<br />
: Otherwise, Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:58, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9123 Darkspell], I'd like to add the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [16]+366<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (Darkspell)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Import map title "The Provinces of the Kingdom of Deverry in the Year 1060 (map)" on page [12]<br />
<br>4. Import map title "Southern Eldidd in 1060 (map)" on page [14]<br />
<br>5. Add title "Appendix: Characters and Their Incarnations (Darkspell)" on page 361<br />
<br>6. Add title "Glossary (Darkspell)" on page 363<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:56, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:11, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Bristling Wood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36554 The Bristling Wood], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Bristling Wood)" on page 9<br />
<br>2. Add title "Appendix: Characters and Their Incarnations (The Bristling Wood)" on page 353<br />
<br>3. Add title "Glossary (The Bristling Wood)" on page 354<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:54, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:13, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Revenant ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38755 The Dragon Revenant], would you mind the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [12]+401+[17]<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Dragon Revenant)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Add map "The Bardekian Archipelago in 1070 (map)" on page [11]<br />
<br>4. Add title "Glossary (The Dragon Revenant)" on page 397<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:36, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:15, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Time of Exile ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1276 A Time of Exile], would you mind the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+404+[16]<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (A Time of Exile)" on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Incarnations of the Various Characters Throughout the Deverry Series (A Time of Exile)" on page 395<br />
<br>4. Add title "Political Chronology of the Kingdoms of Deverry and Eldidd (A Time of Exile)" on page 396<br />
<br>5. Add title "Glossary (A Time of Exile)" on page 401<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:05, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Red Wyvern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45983 The Red Wyvern], I'd like to do the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+393+[7]<br />
<br>2. Add essay "Author's Note (The Red Wyvern)" on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page [11]<br />
<br>4. Add essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Red Wyvern)" on page 385<br />
<br>5. Add essay "Glossary (The Red Wyvern)" on page 389<br />
<br>6. Add essay "Table of Reincarnating Characters (The Red Wyvern)" on page [395]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:58, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:29, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Black Raven ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?235629 The Black Raven], I would like to do the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to xiii+415+[2]<br />
<br>2. Add essay "A Note on the Deverry Sequence (The Black Raven)" on page ix<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page xiii<br />
<br>4. Add essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Black Raven)" on page 409<br />
<br>5. Add essay "Glossary (The Black Raven)" on page 413<br />
<br>6. Add essay "Table of Reincarnating Characters (The Black Raven)" on page [417]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:35, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:32, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fire Dragon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249142 The Fire Dragon], I would like to make the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [12]+418 and add note about no printed Roman numerals<br />
<br>2. Add essay "Table of Incarnations (The Fire Dragon)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Delete the existing map title and replace it by importing the map title used in "Days of Blood and Fire". (The map title add is currently waiting on mod approval.)<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:19, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Time of Omens ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1282 A Time of Omens] I would like to add the essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (A Time of Omens)" on page ix. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:25, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:35, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Snare ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30933 Snare], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the title to "Snare: A Novel of the Far Future" to match the title page. Based what I'm seeing in the majority of the WorldCat records, I'll also change the canonical title name to the new value instead of doing an unmerge and variant.<br />
<br>2. Change the page count to [10]+676<br />
<br>3. Add essay "Author's Note (Snare)" on page [9]<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:37, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:57, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Palace ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25544 Palace], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the title to "Palace: A Novel of the Pinch" to match the title page. Based what I'm seeing in the LCCN record and the majority of the WorldCat records, I'll also change the canonical title name to the new value instead of doing an unmerge and variant.<br />
: I'd leave it alone, per leaving series names out of titles.<br />
<br>2. Add a note about the odd split format of the title page. <br />
<br>3. Change the page count to [10]+450<br />
<br>4. Add essay "Author's Note (Palace)" on page [9]<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:51, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:00, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Emerald House Rising ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12174 Emerald House Rising], I would like to change the page count to [10]+325 and add the two maps on pages [8] and [9]. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:29, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:03, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wild Swans ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49997 The Wild Swans], I'd like to add the essay "Author's Note (The Wild Swans)" on page 447. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:40, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:04, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire Sanctuary ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13650 Fire Sanctuary], I want to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [14]+370<br />
<br>2. Add the map on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add the essay on page [8]<br />
<br>4. Add the essay on page [9]<br />
<br>5. Add the genealogical table on page [10]<br />
<br>6. I'll move the WorldCat ID to external and add notes as well<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:16, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok.<br />
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== Raven series ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27410 Swordsmistress of Chaos], I'd like to add the map on page 6.<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27398 A Time of Ghosts], I'd like to change the page count to [8]+199 add the map on page [6].<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:23, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. The maps look the same to me, so perhaps sharing them makes sense. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:06, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Steerswoman ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47936 The Steerswoman], I'd like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+279<br />
<br>2. Add the map on page [6]<br />
<br>3. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:16, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Outskirter's Secret ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45002 The Outskirter's Secret], I'd like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+342<br />
: My copy is [10]+342.<br />
::Indeed it is. My bad. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:30, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br>2. Change the map author to Rosemary Kirstein and add an associated map artist note<br />
: Sure. <br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:37, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mammoth Book of Awesome Comic Fantasy ==<br />
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Could you please double check {{P|43683|The Mammoth Book of Awesome Comic Fantasy}}? Per the second printing:<br />
*page 90 is credited as Esther Friesner and not Esther M. Friesner<br />
*page 110 is credited as Nelson Bond and not Nelson S. Bond <br />
*page 175 is credited as Michael Coney and not Michael G. Coney<br />
*"The Caliber of the Sword" is on page 344 and not 244<br />
Do these need to be corrected in the entry for the first printing or did they real change between printings? I will point the other verifier to this conversation as well. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Your differences are correct. Note that I just submitted an edit with a replacement for the Amazon ISBN based cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:25, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deryni Magic title ==<br />
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Please look at the title page of your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9926 Deryni Magic: A Grimoire] and see if it matches mine which only reads "Deryni Magic". I'd like to change the both the title and canonical title to "Deryni Magic" as well as add a note that the cover shows the title as "Deryni Magic: A Grimoire". I'll also have to change the cover image title to match. I'd also like to add the map titles on pages vi and vii. The other active PVs have this same request. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:59, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. (I see the edit already went through). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:18, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bikini Planet ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4470; I added Archive.org link and replaced unstable "P" Amazon cover image with stable Amazon image that looks the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:28, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Lodge of the Lynx ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34999 The Lodge of the Lynx], I want to change the cover artist to "Daniel R. Horne". The existing cover art note is almost correct but it's a keyhole double cover and the signed art is on the inner cover not a frontispiece so I'll fix that as well. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 14:11, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:16, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Temple and the Crown ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48395 The Temple and the Crown], would you mind if I change the page count to xi+542 and add the essay on page ix? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:59, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic's Price ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21139 Magic's Price], I'd like to add the map on page 6. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 11 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:53, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Oathbreakers ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24660 Oathbreakers], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Import the maps on pages 6, 7, 8, 9<br />
: Ok<br />
<br>2. Import Appendix One on page 283<br />
: I wish the rules were clearer on whether 281 or 283 should be used.<br />
<br>3. Add title "Appendix Two: Songs and Poems (Oathbreakers)" on page 289<br />
: ditto 287 or 289<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:27, 11 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:57, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Trumpets of Tagan ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48890 The Trumpets of Tagan] I'd like to change the page count to viii+258. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:17, 13 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:04, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tongues of Serpents - Naomi Novik ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon image in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347095 this pub] with a scan. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:41, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper (Richard Avery) / The Deathworms (Death Worms) of Kratos ==<br />
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I need to notify 5 active PVs of changes I propose to make to the above title. The details of the changes are on my talk page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Edmund_Cooper_.28Richard_Avery.29_.2F_The_Deathworms_.28Death_Worms.29_of_Kratos here]. If you wish to comment, could you please do so on my talk page so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Glen Cook / A Shadow of All Night Falling ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254119 A Shadow of All Night Falling]. This pub has numbered roman numeral pages at the start so I will change the page count accordingly, index the map and add pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 15:40, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== World Without End ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55357; I replaced unstable Amazon cover with stable Amazon cover, which looks the same, and added Archive.org link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Return to Eden ==<br />
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Hi<br />
I notice that many of the publication records of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9231 Return to Eden] contain the appendix, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?979454 The World West of Eden] as well as the prolog and the map as separate entries, so in the interest of consistency I'd like to add them to the contents of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27998 the publication you verified] if that's OK. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:00, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. In case you don't have access to a copy, the prologue is on page ix, and the appendices on 345. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:06, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== David Zindell / The Lightstone (maps) ==<br />
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I am in the process of editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43086 The Lightstone]. This pub has two maps which are uncredited but signed with a handwritten "R.G.". Whilst trying to find the creator of these maps I discovered that your PVd copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273957 Lord of Lies] has maps credited to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?130091 Richard Geiger]. So he probably did the maps in The Lightstone but to confirm can you please advise: 1) are the maps in your Lord of Lies explicitly credited to Richard Geiger? 2) are they signed "R.G."? Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:06, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: "Map by Richard Geiger" on copyright page. Map signed "R.G. '01" in lower right corner. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 00:31, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Charles Sheffield / The Nimrod Hunt ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs: Ahasuerus, Willem H., GlennMcG<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. There is a pub note stating "Price in Canada: C$4.95". My copy has no Canadian price. Is there a Canadian price on your copy? If we all agree there is not then I will delete this note. I also propose to add a pub note about the discrepancy in the heading of the excerpt on page [407]. This states "...coming in July 1985..." despite Nimrod Hunt being published in August 1986. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: No C$ on mine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:17, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Excellent: we have 100% agreement amongst the four of us. I have just submitted the edit to make the changes as per my original proposal and have also added the "Not to be confused..." note suggested by Ahasuerus. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:12, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vernor Vinge / The Peace War ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45166 The Peace War]. I will import the existing record for the excerpt of "Between the Strokes of Night" by Charles Sheffield which appears in the unnumbered pages at the end of the book and will adjust the Pages field to 378+[4] accordingly. I have verified that this excerpt in The Peace War is identical to the excerpt in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. Incidentally, since this pb of The Peace War was published in June 1985, the statement "...coming in July 1985..." at the head of the excerpt now makes sense. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:45, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Delian Cycle minor fix ==<br />
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There's a typo in the notes for The Delian Cycle (which you verified), "preceds" instead of "precedes", so I'll fix it unless you have any objections. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:42, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Reprint Dates ==<br />
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Several clone pubs submissions for reprints had the same date as the original publication. I removed the date on these. However, I released I was over zealous on a couple and had misread the date and notes. I restored those. If I missed anything, please let me know and & I will fix. Sorry for the confusion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:41, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: The only one I don't understand is https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5463341 --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:36, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::How do you derive the publishing date from that? If I understand the note correctly, the publication lists itself, but not the next pub? That would have been true of the first publication. How do you know they didn't simply update the second printing list vs. it was published before the next book in the series? Or was that known practice for this publisher? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:20, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It was an attempt to reverse engineer a pattern that Bluesman used for dating non-first printings that I was PVing. (I attempted to use that scheme to date non-PVed books that I had non-first printings). Pocket Books seems to be quite consistent in number series listings in their books.<br />
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::: The way I interpret that data, is as such. Find the 1st printing date of the last book listed in a series. (STTNG, for example). Call it last. Find the same for the next higher book (not listed), and call it next. Then assume that the publication date of this non-first printing is: last <= date < next. Apply this to the various series listed in the book, and then apply an old-school logic puzzle game to the cross-series results. The book in question however had less data to apply. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:26, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::These extrapolated dates always make me a bit nervous. Anyhow, I have restored the date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:53, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dick ~ St. Clair / The World Jones Made ~ Agent of the Unknown ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs.<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50485 The World Jones Made ~ Agent of the Unknown] and propose to change the date from 1956-00-00 to 1956-03-00 and add a pub note stating the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360808 Galactic Central Bibliography]. I will also add the month to the associated records (title and coverart). I will be adding the month to several other PKD books in the near future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:22, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14030 Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said] and will add notes and import the existing record for the interior art on page 2. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:45, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The formatting ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder that we do not enforce formatting in the Notes field and converting every single Note you touch into HTML is not a good idea - not all the editors are comfortable working with HTML. When you are adding a lot of additional notes, that's fine but if you are adding a single note or a couple of short notes, please don't convert to your preferred formatting just because you like it more than what you find in the field - instead use the existing formatting and add the note using it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:43, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dragons, Elves and Heroes ==<br />
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Glenn, Double check [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5479044 this submission]. 0345017315 maybe? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:54, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: You're right. 0-345-01731-5 is the correct ISBN. Not sure what brain function kicked to produce this error, but 0 is close to 1 numerically, but not keyboard positionally. The note has the right number. I can resubmit if you'd like. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:02, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes please. Cancel the held submission as well. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:26, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:39, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Olympus ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to the notes of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24822 this pub]. Let's remove this note 'The first pages are roman numbered.' and correct the Pages field to reflect the Roman numerals. I know you didn't write it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:20, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I left things alone because there didn't seem to be a way to distinguish separately sequenced roman vs arabic sections, vs one sequence starting with roman and continuing with arabic. For example, in this book, the pages are numbered i–ix, blank, 11–317, not i–ix, blank, 1–317. (In the page field syntax). Perhaps enter ix+317, and note that arabic section starts with 11? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:33, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: ix+317 is correct. I don't believe any note is necessary. The contents section is clear. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:42, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Silent Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47237 this] is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See [https://ifdpublishing.com/product/trilobite-returns-to-helvoran-large-print/ here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:19, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 15:21, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Haven ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16527; Copy uploaded recently on Archive.org, note says April 2000, I assume that was a mistake so when I added a link I also changed it to September. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Error confirmed. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:59, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Changing Amazon Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657166; My edit adding Archive.org link and changing 01 to 00 in the date was rejected because mod said I should have asked you about changing the date first. As you probably know, Amazon routinely has day as 01 when they don't know the real day (or sometimes 01-01 if they don't know the month and the day); 05-01 could be April, May, or June and book said May so that's what I changed it to, 05-00. In the future, assuming I'm still editing here much longer, would you like me to just adjust the day when I find an actual copy with the date without leaving you a message? In this case the mod left the Amazon date as it is but did make another edit adding the Archive link that I found myself, so at least that's there now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: My edit didn't change the date, but added the source. My practice has been to only change the date if it's in the previous month, and the printing statement gives the next month. (And noting the difference). Since I couldn't prove that it didn't actually get issued on the first, I left things alone. If group consensus wants something different, it's ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:45, 24 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Just a quick note here: As 2018-05-01 is a Tuesday and that had been the usual day for the big US based publishers to publish their books for the last few years, the date here is most likely correct: while Amazon may have issues with some publishers’ dates and -01 may indicate lack of knowledge of the day of publishing, that is very unlikely to be the case here considering the newness of the book and the publisher. Books get published on the 1st and the history of the publisher and its practices and the specific date it is (in this case being a Tuesday) need to be taken into account before removing valid data from the database. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 01:58, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::If there was a note saying that it was actually published on the 1st then that would be true, but Amazon doesn't do that, so barring a photo of a review copy with the specific publication date on it, which is not the case more often than not, it's always best to enter the date as it is in the publication itself. Some do include a specific day, usually small-press books or older books in reprint editions where they mention the exact dates of previous printings, but most don't. It's all moot, anyway, because often dates in books and when they were actually published are two different things. There are probably tens of thousands of books on ISFDB that have the wrong date, some people entering them from the book itself, others taking the date from an online site like Amazon or genre sites like Locus which often differ from the date in the book (I know because I've fixed probably thousands of them), so it's all guesswork and only of interest to people who care about minutiae; there's not a single online site I've ever seen that could seriously be called truly accurate. Just read, that's what's really important; you never know when all this may be gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: From the help section "The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources Secondary Sources of Dates]. The publication is in compliance. FWIW, [https://astrapublishinghouse.com/product/the-summer-dragon-9780756408343/ here] is a link to the publisher's website confirming the 2018-05-01 date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::That doesn't confirm anything; lazy publishers routinely just copy dates straight from Amazon. It might really be the right day or it might not. Unless someone can verify they bought the book on its publication date by showing a receipt and it really was the first day of the month then the month will suffice here. As I said, dates in books and publication dates often differ, sometimes greatly. Cemetery Dance has one of the worst track records when it comes to publishing books on time, sometimes coming out years after the date in the book. Very few books or other publications can be pinpointed to the exact day they were published and it really isn't that important compared to other stuff like, for example, the huge amount of collections and anthologies on ISFDB that have missing/incomplete/inaccurate contents; that's what most people are interested in, not knowing what exact day the book was published, because that matters little to their enjoyment (or not) of the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Shared title change discussion ==<br />
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I'd like to change [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?175371 SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume] to "The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy: Second Annual Volume" as per the title page. (unlike the front cover and spine). Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:33, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Hmmm. Just noticed the large SF on the previous page.<br />
::I'll dig it out and have a look inside.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I'm inclined to leave it as is. The current title I believe is the intended title, just printed on two separate pages.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:35, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I’m away from home for the next few days, but I’d vote for leaving it as is based on your descriptions. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 10:50, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I could see it turn into "SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy: Second Annual Volume". Are sub-sub-titles not a thing? The volume part is in a smaller/different font than the first part. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:32, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: That would be more in line with the third and fourth annual volume of the same series, too.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 21:58, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've looked at the first four, and the sub-sub-title suggestion makes sense and aligns with the others in the series. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 21:29, 3 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I've submitted edits for the 2nd annual pubs. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:00, 4 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baynes Illustrations for Tolkien ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG<br />
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I'm holding two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475700 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475701 here]. These would replace the single INTERIORART record for our mutually verified ''Smith of Wooten Major & Farmer Giles of Ham'' withe separate INTERIORART records for the illustrations from the separate publications of the two stories. If I were the sole verifier, I would approve these, but I'm actually ambivalent about the change. Do you have an opinion on whether these edits should be approved or rejected? I'm leaving the same note on all the active verifiers page and will follow up if we have a disagreement on what to do. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 5 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Doesn't seem to be much of a win to change, but meh? However, I'd guess that the illustrations were commissioned for the combined works, rather than as separate projects. I'm ok however it turns out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:18, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I actually think it's more likely that these are the Baynes illustrations done for the original standalone editions and not a new illustrations specifically for the combined edition. I'm going to go ahead and approve the edits. There is a [https://archive.org/details/smithofwoottonma1975tolk partial scan] of a 1978 standalone edition of SWM where the title page matches ours. There is also a [https://archive.org/details/farmergilesofham0000tolk full scan] of FGH included in a different collection in 1977 and with matching illustrations. While these are later printings, they all bear the same original copyright dates. These aren't definitive proof, but do suggest that the illustrations are the same as the original standalone publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:47, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bernard Wolfe / Limbo ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20399 Limbo] and will add pub note "Year confirmed by Tuck", new essay "Author's Notes and Warnings" (page 409) and page numbers to the contents. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:48, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== James White / Hospital Station ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17347 Hospital Station]. In my copy, the story on page 84 is titled "Trouble with Emily" but the Contents section of the pub record has "The Trouble with Emily". Could you please check the title in your copy. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:03, 11 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My copy matches yours. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 04:59, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I will make the change. Thanks for checking. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:11, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crowther - Forbidden Planets ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, the notes [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256837 here] are very clear about the Afterword but I suggest it should be titled "Afterword: Forbidden Planet[s?] (Forbidden Planets)". Could you check it out, and also clarify whether it's 'Planet' or 'Planets'. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:10, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: It's "Forbidden Planet" over "Stephen Baxter" at the actual essay on page 289. It seems to me that the title is ok as is, or perhaps just change to "Forbidden Planet". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:31, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As far as I know, we take titles from the book's table contents page (and not from the body of the publication) and detail the difference (in this case on p.289) in the pub Notes.<br />
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::That would give us "Afterword: Forbidden Planet" as the title (as per table contents page).<br />
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::Then we add the book's title in brackets. So, finally.... "Afterword: Forbidden Planet (Forbidden Planets)".<br />
:: The last sentence in the Notes ("The essay...") explains the situation perfectly. Here's a random example of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53528 Afterword titling]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:32, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: From the help section - "Short fiction, essays and poems. For short stories, essays and poems, when working from a primary source, always take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins. The title shown in/on the table of contents, running page headers, index, front cover of the publication, secondary bibliography, or a promotional website listing is secondary. Any differences between titles in the publication may be noted in the publication notes, but this is not required. If titles are being entered solely from a secondary source, please record the source in the note field."<br />
::: Glen is correct. No disambiguation is necessary since there are not other essays with the same title by Stephen Baxter. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:42, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::Thanks John for stepping in to sort me out:) I'm sorry Glenn for getting it all wrong - I remembered the way it worked - exactly backwards! My mistake, and a lesson. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:10, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|178129|Ghosts}}: I updated several author credits to match the story title pages:<br />
* p67, Jack M. Dann to Jack Dann <br />
* p85, Mary E. Wilkins Freeman to Mary Wilkins Freeman<br />
* p213, Charlotte Riddell to Mrs. J. H. Riddell<br />
Also, do you see a cover artist credit on this pub? I'm not seeing a credit or a signature. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:12, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see initials JK in the lower right corner of the front cover. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:27, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I've updated the pub notes with that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:27, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Evil Overlord / Human For A Day==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?98621; I added (incomplete) Archive.org copy some time ago; today while adding info for DAW anthologies that are on Open Library but not searchable on the Archive (identified by their white "Preview" button) I came across this one again and while adding LCCN ID I noticed the Roman numerals weren't included in the page count so I added an xi. I assume your copy has the same. EDIT: Also added Archive.org link, LCCN ID, and viii to this; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358071. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Replacing some Amazon images on verified publications. ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan from my copy for the following: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22532 The Mocking Program] by Alan Dean Foster and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584398 Solar Express], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657176 Assassin's Price] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486772 Rex Regis] by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Music ==<br />
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I was planning on adding the foreword by Kevin Hearne to [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657063 this pub]] to match the HC and verified ebook, as my copy does have it. It will require changing the page count to xii+387 from 387. I will also be uploading a scanned cover and adding the Canadian price of 10.99. Any problem with this? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:09, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:28, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Mind Slayer" ==<br />
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When I found Your pv title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31970 Mind Slayer] I wonder if the title isn't spelled wrong. All external-IDs, the cover and Amazon have a different spelling "Mind Slaver". I'm wondering as the title is primary verified four times. Can You approve again? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 15:14, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I guess it was invisible. 'Slaver' is correct. I've uploaded a new cover image while driving by. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:35, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Concrete Savior ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346717; There's an Archive.org copy (one of those that only appears on Open Library) so I added a link but the page count was way off, 343 instead of 384. You as PV can tell me what your copy's count is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:56, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: 343. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:41, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Talon of the Silver Hawk ==<br />
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Minor tweaks to contents of Talon of the Silver Hawk https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34446 if you have no objection.<br />
[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:43, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Magician's End ==<br />
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Minor tweaks to contents of Magician's End https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412824 if you have no objection.<br />
[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rides a Dread Legion ==<br />
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I made minor changes to contents of Rides a Dread Legion https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274016 if you have no objection. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:49, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Charles de Lint / Moonheart: A Romance ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of active PVs GlennMcG, Philfreund.<br />
<br>I'm looking at my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22754 Moonheart: A Romance] and the pub record. This doesn't seem to be set up correctly. It should be unmerged, assigned to a title record of "Moonheart: A Romance" and this should be varianted to "Moonheart". Actually, there is a case for making "Moonheart: A Romance" the canonical title as it's the first publication. However, as there is only 1 pub titled "Moonheart: A Romance" and 16 pubs titled "Moonheart", I don't feel strongly about which is the canonical title. Mind you, I would bet that some of the other pubs also have "A Romance" on the title page, particularly the Ace pb reprints. What are your thoughts? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:47, 13 February 2023 (EST):<br />
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: The notes indicate the subtitle 'a romance' (which is present). I just PVed and made no edits and left things alone. My personal esthetic for subtitles tends to ignore essentially 'content-free' like this, or 'a novel'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::On a purely personal level I completely agree with you. I consider statements such as "A Romance" on the title page to be a description of the work and not part of the title. It also opens the door to problems because it makes it too easy for editors to forget or not bother to include subtitles which results in inconsistent pub records accumulating as they have with Moonheart. However, our personal opinions are not relevant. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title ISFDb policy] on this states that it should be entered as a subtitle so that's what we have to go with. Coincidentally, this policy actually uses "A Romance" as an example. Based on your and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#Charles_de_Lint_.2F_Moonheart:_A_Romance Philfreund's] replies, I will do the varianting but first I will stick a post on the Moderator Noticeboard to ask which should be the canonical title as it's rather subjective. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sirens and other Daemon Lovers ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted a submission adding page numbers to the contents for your verified {{P|253718|Sirens and Daemon Lovers}}. The submission used a copy on Archive.org as the source and cited that in the notes. Please review. If you do review and verify that the page numbers match your copy, delete that citation from the notes -- we'd prefer to know that someone saw those page numbers on a copy of the book in hand. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:18, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Page #s PVed and edit submitted. Noticed a missing subtitle and submitted edits. Will need to merge. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Glad I could help. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One in Three Hundred / The Transposed Man ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, re your title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24989 here], I'd like to add a link to an Asimov [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?481353 variant cover]. I noticed that your cover was upgraded in 2019 so I thought that providing a link would alert future editors of the relationship (if they missed it in summary pages. Are you ok with that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 06:47, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:55, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thank you. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:19, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== L. Neil Smith / The Probability Broach ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181953 The Probability Broach] and propose to:<br />
<br>1) change page count to vii+275<br />
<br>2) create a Content record for the Appendix<br />
<br>3) add explanatory pub notes<br />
<br>[[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:31, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Circus of Dr. Lao cover artist ==<br />
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I added Mitchell Hooks' credit for the cover of the Bantam [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37138 Circus of Dr. Lao] along with a note that he signed it.--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 09:08, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Snowcastles and Sometime After the Equinox==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322251; I copied the Romas note over to Star Axe since artist's name is visible there, too, but I noticed for that book you or someone made an alternate name while in this one no one did. Should artist be a variant in this, too? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31142; this one, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:05, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I used the name from Locus. Not sure how to prioritize secondary sources. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:06, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Upon reflection, I'd prioritize the one that matches the canonic name. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:45, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== YoED ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371303; I fixed that obviously wrong publisher name, the only one such on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Demon Night ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/demonnight0000smit; I fixed month in cover art (was 00) and reg. title (was 02) but I think publisher in your PV should be Ace Fantasy Books. Anyway, this 3rd printing was uploaded recently in case you care to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: The title page indicates 'ace books'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:18, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== K-9 Corps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602460; I'm replacing the unstable "G" cover; another book in the series (Under Fire) also has an unstable cover but current Amazon cover has a watermark from some bookseller so I didn't replace it. Also, 1 book is missing WorldCat ID and 3 are missing LCCN ID in case you wanted to finish adding those. EDIT: I added Archive.org links to 3 books in the series and another link to StarSpawn by the same author (+ LCCN ID), which you also PV, but I noticed the cover has the same watermark (papierplanet.de) as the one I mentioned above, in case you can upload yours or a better one from somewhere besides Amazon (Open Library doesn't show the cover but it does show the title page with a message and signature by the author). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:45, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Chariot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88806; LCCN is for the HC, not the PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:25, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Changed it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 22:50, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - Nightfall and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, just to let you know that I've entered all the introductions to {{P|178377|this pub}}, replacing the generic <i>Biographical Comments in "Nightfall and Other Stories"</i> title. I don't know if this would be any use to your {{P|205725|record here}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Update: Have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_Nightfall_and_Other_Stories this thread] which may be of help. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon Blade ==<br />
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Would you please look at the title page of your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281293 Dragon Blade] and see if the title should actually be "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan"? I just found that on the SFBC hardcover edition which means that it's also true for the original Tor hardcover edition. That means the canonical title should be "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan". Also, does your pb copy happen to show the cover artist as just "Royo" instead of "Luis Royo" like the SFBC dust jacket does? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:37, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: My copy has the subtitle, although it's also vaguely a series position designator. Back cover has 'Cover art by Royo'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:14, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::In that case, if you don't object, I'm going to submit edits to change all the titles, including the canonical title, map, cover, etc. to "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan". I'll also change the artist to just "Royo" and variant if necessary. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:48, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Accidental Earth ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+accidental+earth%22; Printed in Canada on copyright, printed in U.S.A. on back, what does your copy say, this may be Canadian edition which can be entered by me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has "Printed in United States of America" on the copyright page, and "Printed in the U.S.A." on the back cover. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:19, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I entered a new record, copy-and-pasted your notes and added a new note about printing info, and added a C to the price. Cover is ragged so no sense uploading it; maybe someone will see this and upload from their own Canadian copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beauty (Pocket Books) ==<br />
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Hello, Glenn. Happy St. Patrick's Day, if you're observant. For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267522 this book], the tree (?) on the right of the cover looks like it's initialed HB. Could the artist be Harry Bennett? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 18:13, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I agree that the initials 'hb' are present. I've looked at various covers on ISFDB credited to Harry Bennett, and it seems plausible, but I have no evidence to declare certainty. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Science Fiction Stories No. 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32089<br><br />
discussion: https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Star_SF_Stories_.233<br><br />
I'm planning to give the edition [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/3/3e/STRSTRSN4B1954.jpg this new cover]<br><br />
--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:49, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Drake/Morris' The Fourth Rome ==<br />
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When you have a free moment, could you please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Drake.2FMorris.27_The_Fourth_Rome this discussion], which affected the way the cover artist of your verified pub was credited? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolves of London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575595; I changed 460 pages to 464. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:15, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mutant Files Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644894; I think the viii in page count shouldn't be there because the next page is 9; 320 is total number of pages including the Roman ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Check out the discussion at https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Olympus Olympus. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:48, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Something About a Glossary ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5665025; A mod approved a huge number of my edits today, more than usual, but this is the only one that was rejected. I honestly can't remember anything about it but you are the active PV, I think the other one is gone, so if you can decipher what I was trying to add you can decide whether you think it's important and enter your own edit(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Edits added for the series. Each books has the glossary, but adds entries from book to book. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:20, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Should they be "Glossary", not "Glossry"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:34, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Seems likely. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:43, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasy 2002 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13199; WorldCat ID leads to a page with a different ID so should it be updated? Also, the e-book on WorldCat has "ix" so that should be added to page count since intro is also a Roman numeral. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The worldcat link points to a page with a book with the same ISBN. The cover image doesn't match, but that's not an issue for the ISFDB entry. I've submitted an edit for the roman page count. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:24, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Baen's Spider Reprints ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
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I'm doing some cleanup on {{Series|24801|The Spider}} series and I see that we have a subseries for the Baen omnibus editions, {{Series|27387|The Spider (Baen)}}. I see a few issues with how we have this set up. First off, I don't know that the series should be numbered. I've have the first book in the series, {{P|99311|The Spider: Robot Titans of Gotham}}, and I haven't found any indication that it is numbered. Could you check your verified copy of {{P|839668|he Spider: City of Doom}} and see if they indicate that it is number 2 in a series? If Baen did support a separate numbering for their omnibus editions, I would argue that a publication series would be better than a title series. Assuming that they do not number them, I don't see a need for a subseries at all. Rather I think these should simply be part of the regular series. That way, we could use the content field on the title record to show which novels are included. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No numbering present. I'm ok with your suggestion. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:28, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Monadic Universe ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, I'll be adding the Reginald3 ID# to your PD'd {{P|44250|pub}}. Reginald states the pages as xx+167 and looking at the titles pagination, I suspect yours should be same. If it is the same, I can add that change to my edit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:21, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:31, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) Thanks for the quick reply! Will do. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:00, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Also adding Reg3# to {{P|277309|The Omega Point Trilogy}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:52, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zeddies - Deathgift ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|9587|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I do those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:19, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No need when adding external links like these. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:45, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your helpful reply. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:47, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The City and the Stars ==<br />
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Glenn, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672926 this submission] affecting one of your verified publications. Are you okay with it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:32, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok in general, but it seems that the notes should indicate that the publication has no credits/signatures, and provide the information providence. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree, in fact I restored a similar note in one of the other publications. What about importing the existing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3162956 COVERART title] instead, thereby preserving your note. We could add a note along the lines of; "Cover artist identified by the current owner of the original artwork." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:46, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:38, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Berbora ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5686924; I replaced cover with brighter one on Bookscans. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wizard's Eleven ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, BanjoKev [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Tepper_-_Wizard.27s_Eleven pointed] me to the pagecount of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55143 Wizard's Eleven]. I checked my copy, and the pagecount should indeed be xiv+187. Do you mind if I change this? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:47, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:19, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Yellow Fraction ==<br />
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You are PV for https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50846. I submitted metadata for it (actual SBN on the spine & unstated first edition, & Goodreads external ID). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 04:26, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthgrip ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5692901; LCCN confusion; your copy has the same (incorrect) number, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:56, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Same LCN. I noticed that your edit doesn't include the html markup that the rest of the notes use. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:51, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tepper - Southshore ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, could you please check the cover artist title spelling "Chrstensen" {{P|31357|here}}, it looks like a typo (it's "Christensen" in the notes) but I wanted to make sure. If it is, is it alright with you if I correct it and then merge it with the {{T|142450|1987-06-00 title}}? Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:35, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Sure. I added the note, but didn't notice that the pre-existing cover artist was misspelled. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 02:34, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Submitted, thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:05, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Medusa Encounter Possible Duplicate ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
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I'm looking at your {{P|842745|verified copy}} of ''The Medusa Encounter'', and it looks like it may be a duplicate of {{P|3127|this record}}. Is there something I'm missing? If it is a duplicate, you can move your verification to the other record and we can delete the extra copy. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Note the different location for "Infopak Technical Blueprints". I assumed a significant enough difference to clone. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:52, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Upon further thought, I could just add a note to the other record indicating the alternate location, if you'd prefer. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:00, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the explanation. I think it's OK how you did it. It was just a little hard to pick out that difference between the two records. Since they're both first printings, although different states, I'll copy the external IDs over to your record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:23, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Dark Dominion'' cover ==<br />
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Glenn, I've added the full wraparound cover for David Duncan's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8809 Dark Dominion], to illustrate that the cover of Arthur C. Clarke's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36941 The Challenge of the Spaceship] is a variant, something that was not evident before. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:35, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starcrossed ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217017; Copy on Archive.org says $1.75 on front cover. Does yours say $1.50? There doesn't seem to be any indication of their copy being a later printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:26, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy is $1.75. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 05:28, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Witches; First edition needs cover artist. Can you check your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Cover artist is not credited in my copy. (Perhaps a signature is buried somewhere in the artwork itself, but I can't find it). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:28, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Future We Wish We Had ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?940545; Title ends with War, not Wars. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alcheringia ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44017; LCCN not on Library of Congress website, should be removed and put in Notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251365; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link and the LCCN that's on the copyright page. If your copy has the author as Paul V. Dallas on title page you should change it and there are Roman numerals that should be added although they go from xi to xiii in this copy so if yours does, too, you should make a note of that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Highwaymen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17090; While adding Archive.org link I also fixed title, it's & Rogues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:20, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:32, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Martin & Tuttle / Windhaven ==<br />
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You have PVd the 1st US pb edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251127 Windhaven]. Could you please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Martin_.26_Tuttle_.2F_Windhaven this thread]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:03, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Face ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737168; Old cover was the wrong one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Garden ==<br />
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added artist. Source https://laberintogris.com/es/luis-royo-80s-90s/1342-luis-royo-original-el-jardin-los-viajeros-de-startrek-3.html [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 12:38, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Be the Serpent ==<br />
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In {{P|957658|Be the Serpent}}, there are two cover records. Was this intentionally or does one need to be removed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Not sure how I did it, but I've submitted an edit to remove the dup. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:08, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nicoji ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23891; It's Don Clavette on copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:06, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I don't follow the point you're trying to make here. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:24, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Point is that whoever entered artist entered the wrong first name so I left a message on all active PV's boards to let them know; one of them fixed it as you can see. That's one of the things I do here, correct all the countless mistakes that have been sitting unnoticed for years because PV don't bother to check that all the info in the book they're verifying is actually correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:22, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The last edit I see is from 2021. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:37, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?141275. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== King Dragon ==<br />
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A quick note about your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244329 verified first printing of ''King Dragon''], which states that the number of pages is 278. I have a copy of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244333 undated second printing] and the last numbered page is 277. The page that follows it is not numbered and contains a full-page illustration.<br />
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[[Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages]] says the following about this scenario:<br />
* ...you may record the count of unnumbered pages at the end of a publication. For example, 320+[4]. As before, only do this if there is additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record, as when there is an afterword or book excerpt which appears on unnumbered pages.<br />
I suppose a full-page illustration counts as "content". However, we don't have a separate Title record for it since all 50 (!) illustrations are covered by a single INTERIORART Title, so the Help condition "requires the creation of a content record" is not satisfied.<br />
Based on the above, I have updated the "Pages" field of my verified record to say "277" and the Note field to say:<br />
*The last numbered page is 277. The following page is not numbered and contains a full-page illustration.<br />
Does this match your understanding of how the quoted Help sentences apply in this case? Thanks for checking.<br />
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P.S. I will leave an identical note on the other active verifier's Talk page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:51, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Updated, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:17, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wilson Tucker / The Lincoln Hunters ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43095 The Lincoln Hunters] and will add the Author's Note and pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:12, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Castle Keeps ==<br />
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You PV'd this edition: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244357 I submitted note to moderator: Submitting pub note additions (Berkley Pub. Corp., assumed 1st ed., number on spine), & Goodreads external ID. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 03:39, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Brand New World ==<br />
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You PV'd this edition: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253 I just sent in the following: Submitting web page 1 (blog article) & Goodreads external ID for this edition. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:35, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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You PV'd the following edition: https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25003 I sent this in to moderators: Submitting two web pages (Wikipedia, blog retrospective review) & Goodreads external ID. I met Bob in 1982 while I was living in London. Nice guy. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:49, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== <b>Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2</b> ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:07, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The publication has "Cover Art by Ed Valigursky" on the copyright page of "The Ballad of Beta-2" side. "Cover Art by Jack Gaughan" on the "Alpha Yes, Terra No!" side copyright page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:07, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out now. Marriott may have read the inside credit for the illustration and got them mixed up. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:48, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sanctuary ==<br />
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Glenn, I'm holding submissions adding Keith Birdsong as cover artist to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3863 all three] publications (no support provided). Your verification [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32561 here] makes you the only active PV. I was able to find this [https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/keith-birdsong-star-trek-61-sanctuary-1878025596 listing]. If you think this is sufficient, would you mind submitting an edit adding the credit and modifying the notes? After approving your submission, I will approve the submissions adding the same credit to the other two pubs. Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:47, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:02, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Touch the Stars: Emergence ==<br />
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I would like to change the title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25678 Touch the Stars: Emergence] to simply "Emergence" since "Touch the Stars" is a series. I'd do the title and both existing publications (for one of which you were a PV). Any objections? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:59, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sounds fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:23, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yolen - Dragonfield and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, re your PV for {{P|11111|this pub}}, as Reginald3 gives the page count as xiii+241,could you check yours? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:06, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Mine's the same. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:56, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, in that case, I'll submit an edit. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:16, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Norton - 'Ware Hawk ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, with regard to {{P|24|this pub}}, I've posted to Dirk P Broer's page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Norton_-_.27Ware_Hawk here] and would appreciate your input. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:17, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Once a Hero ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3915; Cover artist needs importing into TP. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:34, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magical Beginnings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21165; If intro starts on 13 the Roman numbers in page count should be removed since numbering is continuous. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:48, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been given advice in the past that this is fine as is. The rules don't seem to directly address this case, however. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:40, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Veiled Web ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?280456; I added links to original PB and TP editions where artist is Nielson; does your printing really say Nielsen or is it Nielson (in which case it needs fixing)? PV of TP incorrectly entered Nielsen so I left a note asking her to fix it if her copy says the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:11, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edits submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:01, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}} and {{P|44001|The Med Series}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:44, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Iseult ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18696; 3 PV, you're the only active one, I just added archived link in a PENDING edit, do you think the subtitle on title page should be added as part of the title? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Unkindness of Ravens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2523; PENDING edit with archived link, page count is 234, not 236; needs fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: My copy has pages numbered up through 236. Story ends on 233, Notes and Acks on 234, and an excerpt for the next volume on pages 235 and 236. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:48, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Copy has p. 234 then inside back cover so I'm going to assume, like a lot of uploaded copies that are old or ex-library, it's ragged and the last 2 pages fell out/were ripped out. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Devils'' ==<br />
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A quick note about our mutually verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178105 ''Devils'']. It turns out that the artist's initials, "JK", appear in the lower right corner, although they are hard to see. The Notes field has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:34, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conjurer's Curse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262265; I let another PV know that they had 2 books in the Belmont New Shadow series that now have unstable Amazon "G" images that should be replaced; a search reveals that this book that you PV is the only other one with a "G" so maybe you can replace it with Bookscans cover on this page, http://bookscans.com/Publishers/belmont/belmont3.htm, or somewhere else if you can find a better one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:45, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I've replaced it with a scan of my copy's cover. (when edit is accepted). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 01:19, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Freeman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40206; Archive.org copy linked in my PENDING edit, ISBN on inside front cover and back cover is OK but the one on copyright page is wrong, 21674 instead of 26174, if yours is the same you may want to mention that in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:46, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:12, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chromosomal Code ==<br />
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You are a PV for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37082 I just submitted this edit to moderators: Submitting External ID (Goodreads) & web page 1 (a statement from the author on how he wrote this novel). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:59, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Five Worlds ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801798; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801801; I have PENDING edits for 2 of the books in Al Sarrantonio's Five Worlds trilogy; #2, Journey, is not to be found so hopefully someone will upload it soon so people can read the series in order. You wouldn't happen to have a copy, would you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:26, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have a copy of Journey, as I've PVed it. What do you mean by uploading it? It's under copyright. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:02, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Just noticed the archive.org site mentioned. Not sure what to think about it. Seems a bit sketchy. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:05, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Masters of Mars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25817; I added archived link to Queen back in May, just added link in a PENDING edit to Haydn (which was uploaded in 2011 so I'm not sure why I didn't add that link when I added Queen), but, as with his Five Worlds series, #2, Sebastian, is missing. Do you have a copy? Also, title dates and book dates for the Mars books don't match so either dates on copyright pages or Amazon dates should be used for all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:38, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have copies of all the books in this series. (All PV'd by me). The dates on the pub records match the dates on the copyright pages. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:08, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Survival Margin ==<br />
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● I added a new cover image to your verified listing of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269091 Survival Margin] from my copy. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 04:49, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Did You Say Chicks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10111; Archive.org copy uploaded way back in 2011 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; editor has no middle initial on title page or anywhere else except contents page and editor's story's title page so editor's name should be fixed if your copy is the same. Also, ISBN on copyright page and back cover are different so a note should be made of that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:44, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duplicate Reginald Numbers ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG -<br />
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I'm going to add a note to your verified record {{P|3346|Aubade for Gamelon}}. The catalog number assigned for your publication in {{Reginald3}} is also assigned to a second book. There are a few of these mistakes in Reginald and I'm adding notes cross referencing the two publications. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Genesis Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15204; Rick Lieder has a few credits as by Leider here so I'm trying to make variants but for this book there's no credit inside and the cover is signed Lieder on lower right corner so I think it should be changed to that, no variant. EDIT: Oddly, this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4661, does actually credit him on copyright page and it does say Leider so I'll have to make that a variant. Also, there might be a signature on the cover next to the word Grant but it's hard to tell what it spells. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?985709; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and it says Leider with no signature on the cover that I can see. Finally, Winter Knight has Lieder on copyright page and was entered as such but this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?986241, also has Lieder, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/aqQAAOSwUbpgxW7y/s-l1600.jpg], but was entered here as Leider so that should be changed, too, no variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best Time Travel Stories of All Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35928; I have 2 PENDING edits adding Archive.org links to both editions of this book and the PB says "December 2003" on copyright page, not March 2004. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:19, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nine Horrors and a Dream Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24316; While doing some J. P. Brennan edits I noticed FantLab's cover was a bit better (bigger and better-framed; ID fully visible on top left) so I replaced Bookscans cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:49, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyteen hardcover ==<br />
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Would you object if I make the following changes to the hardcover edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen]? Change the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Whoops! I was just reminded that these should be Roman numerals in this case. So the page count would be [vii]+680 and the maps would be on [vi] and [vii]. Sorry for any confusion! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:13, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:28, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Juggler ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42347; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link, LCCN, and $5.95 price. You entered Canadian price correctly in the notes so I assume your entry of $4.95 for the US price was just a mistake and it doesn't say that in your copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:47, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Not needed, I fixed price in my edit as explained above so when yours comes up in the queue mod will just reject it with an "already done" note, I was just letting you know because you are the PV; I assume since you did make the edit that it really is $5.95 (if it isn't I'd just cancel my edit and do it over without fixing the price). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Empire by Orson Scott Card ==<br />
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Added an image for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219865 your verified pub]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:05, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Messiah Stone ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=messiah-stone; 5 PV, you're the only active one, as can be seen in the archived copy it does not say "second printing" on copyright page but number line does end with a 2. Does this look like your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:57, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: Yes, my copy only has the number line ending in 2. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks, I'll add the archived link, one of the other PV must have added the wrong info (or maybe they have some copy that actually says second printing, we'll probably never know because 2 are deceased and 2 have been gone from here for years). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sherwood Game ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47066; No M. on title page. EDIT: Cover is bad with name on top hard to see; new one should be uploaded. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Glenn<br />
:I've double checked my copy and I'm going to proceed with changing the author credit. Let me know if you have any concerns about that change. There is a bit of scratching on the cover of my copy and I'm not really able to get a better scan of the cover. I've no objections if you can get a better scan and wish to replace the existing one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:17, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I had to use my light box to get a plausible scan of the cover. Metallic ink covers are a pain to deal with. Uploaded. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:50, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Child of the Eagle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6779; No M. on title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Glenn<br />
:I'm changing this one too after checking my copy. Again, let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:21, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Edwin Herdes? ==<br />
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Hi! Is it really Herdes who is credited with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1158 this publication]? (Later publications in the title series have Edwin Herder). If you have the time to look it up: that'd be appreciated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: "Cover illustration by Edwin Herdes" on copyright page for my copy. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:24, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Also Herdes on copyright page of Archive.org copy which I linked to in a PENDING edit. Also linked 2nd novel in the series which says Herder. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:27, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Conan and the Amazon ==<br />
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Does {{P|218737|Conan and the Amazon}} have a date for the second printing? You typically note all printing statements and you didn't add one in your submission. If not, I will add a pub note stating the source is Locus1 (I double checked that was the source). Let me know. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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Same question with {{P|332203|Conan the Formidable}} & {{P|208345|Conan the Relentless}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:55, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: No date specified in the book. Just the number line. I've dithered about later printings with specific dates, but providence not specified in the notes.<br />
: Sometimes I've taken the approach of (approximately) "Publication date from mysterious source, confirmed by Amazon.com as of xxxx-xx-xx". <br />
: Sometimes I just don't note it at all. <br />
: However, I do look through the edit history, and if I can find where the date got added to the record, and the source is noted, I'll add that. But usually it's a change with no source info.<br />
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: Suggestions? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::If you can find a source, you can just use the source so for your example above I would make it "Publication date from Amazon.com as of xxxx-xx-xx". If you cannot find a source, I would put "Source of publication date unknown". Both make it clear that there was not a date in the pub and it is coming from a secondary source. If the pub has a Locus1 secondary verification, then the source is likely from [https://www.locusmag.com/index/ here]. That is where I found these three. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:20, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Cancelling Submissions ==<br />
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In processing your last batch of submissions, I came across a couple of cases where you had duplicative submissions. In both cases, it seemed there was an error in the first one so you submitted a second one without the error. If this happens again, it would help if you cancel the first submission. That makes it much easier to moderate. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:27, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: That's normally my process. Sorry I missed a few. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:14, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== In the Light of Sigma Draconis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1452<br />
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hello there i'm asking the other active pv and you if you mind if I Make a couple of changes to this book which I own ie change the page number to xvi+237 and say that the last unnumbered page has an illustration of the starship described in appendix B. Also change the page number for the start of the novel to xii as it starts with a poem on this page and then has xiii-xv as a prologue. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:08, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XVIII ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34048; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit noticed 320 page count was wrong so fixed it to 308. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:07, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XIX ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34041; I added archived link, uploader noted wrong page and they're right, what should be p. 149 is actually p. 151, so you may want to write a note about that if it's the same in your copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:25, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bard III ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3594; Cover is unstable so I replaced it in a PENDING edit with current Amazon cover which looks good and shows more of the art on the right side. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Dhampire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10072; The artist is mentioned in the comment link but was never entered in the record so you may want to do that and cut-and-paste the comment note into the record's note; also, the image is unstable so you could replace that if you can find one as good or better. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Edit and cover scan submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 03:12, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Microcosm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216925; PENDING edit with archived link and fixed page count of 339. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:37, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bone Doll's Twin - verify cover art on your edition ==<br />
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Hi there, before I do any cover image update on the pub, I'm double checking with the other active verifiers of Bone Doll's Twin 1st edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36253 mass market paperback] - would you be able to double check that your edition has the gold-backed title like this amazon image? [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71e9CvGwKTL.jpg]. My library copy does, which is why I'm looking to correct the one the pub is showing. To my knowledge the black-backed title on the cover is from later printings. Thanks! [[User:Kapotun|Kapotun]] ([[User talk:Kapotun|talk]]) 19:07, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has white lettering on a metallic gold background. I've recently gotten a better light box and can get a reasonable cover image for the publication record. New image uploaded. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 04:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for confirming and uploading the new image! [[User:Kapotun|Kapotun]] ([[User talk:Kapotun|talk]]) 10:05, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / With a Finger in My I ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55056 With a Finger in My I] and propose to: 1) change the coverart record to the name as stated in book and make "Mati Klarwen" an alternate name of "Mati Klarwein". 2) Change story title "The Crystal Castle" to "This Crystal Castle". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 10:05, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:13, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Best Science Fiction of the Year #4 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4166<br />
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hi there i'm just letting the active pvs know that i'm correcting the note for this one where it says 25429 to 24529 [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:01, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / A Season for Slaughter ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1097 A Season for Slaughter] and will add in the interview on page 557. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:16, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SWVSS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30563; Archive.org link added in PENDING edit, copyright page says art by G-Force Design so either they should be added as cover artist or at least mentioned in a note, they have several ISFDB credits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:41, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Phantoms of the Night ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895535; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit I made some changes fixing Cantrell name, Morgan name/title, 2 missing story lengths. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Glenn, I'm holding the submission pending you approval or rejection(or partial rejection). Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:35, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:21, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Witch of the Dark Gate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?237429; PENDING Archive.org link, fixed count to 175. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Beyond ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of: Rudam, Dirk P Broer, Spacecow, GlennMcG<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4294 Beyond]. The only source for the cover artist is the abbreviated signature "Suss" on the artwork itself. In this situation, the coverart record should be under the artist's canonical name, not an alternate name. Hence I will change the coverart record from "Beyond by Art Sussman [as by Arthur Sussman]" to "Beyond by Art Sussman"<br />
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FYI: coincidentally, there is a current discussion related to this topic (but for a different publication) [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Secondary_source_artist_credit_in_face_of_credit_change_over_time here]. In his post at 11:33, 19 February 2024 (EST), Ahasuerus has created a very useful table showing 'What we enter in the "Artist" field'. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:45, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Some of Your Blood ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?230029 Some of Your Blood] and will supply the month: 1961-01-00 and state the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360893 Galactic Central Bibliography]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:35, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Future Crimes ==<br />
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I accepted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5810380 this edit] based on the Internet Archive scan which shows the Roman numerals. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:52, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Return ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801801 this edit] which I am holding that impacts your verified pub. Do you agree with the addition of the author's note? I assume it was based on the Internet Archive scan, but the scan is now showing as "Borrow Unavailable" so I cannot confirm that. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:https://archive.org/details/return00sarr/page/283/mode/1up?q=author%27s&view=theater. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:31, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ''Cyber Way'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted a couple of submissions adjusting the page count and importing a trailing Author's Note in your verified {{P|8489|Cyber Way}}. Please review and adjust if necessary. I am leaving this same note for the other active PVer as well. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:57, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Beloved Exile ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3985; After doing about 40 edits for Parke Godwin books tonight I came across a problem with this one in that the real artist for the original and some reprints was actually Heide Oberheide, not Canty. It says so on the original's copyright page and you can see her last name at the cover's bottom depending on how the image is framed (some get cut off). Since PV of other edition with this cover is long gone it's up to you to decide what you want to do. Obviously she should be added to the original and Canty removed but if later printings/editions really do say Canty then one of those "(in error)" variants would probably be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I've submitted an edit to my PV'd record describing Oberheide as the artist. Also replaced cover image with a better crop. Seems like the art record should get changed to Oberheide and an in-error added to the other printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 01:52, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Beloved Exile cover question ==<br />
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Hi. I made all of those changes. But in reviewing them, I notice the Archive.org copy of the first Bantam printing says "Heidi" Oberheide, not "Heide". What does you copy say? Thanks --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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: "Heide Oberheide" on my 2nd printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:16, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: Definitely "Heidi Oberheide" in Archive.org's copy. Fixed that up, too. Final result is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3292598 here]. If you notice anything wrong, please fix or let me know. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:16, 15 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:36, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Novel Ideas—Science Fiction ==<br />
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We go by the title page of books, not the cover or copyright page. So even if books in a series look differently because of that, we do not normalize the title to match. <br />
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As it sounds like you may have the book, can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4678775 this one] and check what is on the title page? If the two authors are there, I can approve (and we need to update the book as well); if it is not - then you can add notes but we will need to leave the book as is. <br />
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Thanks for the update and welcome again! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:39, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Both books have just Thomsen on the title page. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
:: Then I will need to reject the edit. Do you have a handy link to the other book so I can look at it and fix it? Also - if you have the book, had you thought of verifying it? <br />
:: One small operational thing - the plus sign opens a new topic in the Discussion page, if you are responding to an existing one, there is a small "edit" next to the title of the item you are responding to:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Here's the link: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82007<br />
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Not sure what your verification operation consists of. I'll have to do some more reading on how the site works. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
: When you do a primary verification, you are saying "I have the book. All the details listed on this record are as in my book (or I noted the differences in the notes". If you have the book from a library for example, you can do Transient Primary (aka - I checked a real book and the details match - but I do not have the book anymore". When you do a PV (Primary Verification - Transient or Permanent), you will get notified on changes in the record (there is a Changed Primary menu on your page; for big changes people will post here) and if someone wants to change something and you are around, you may be asked if you can check the book again to verify something someone else claims. More details [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Verify here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_verify_data#Primary_Verification here]. <br />
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: About the book - the look inside into the [https://www.amazon.com/Novel-Ideas-Fantasy-Brian-M-Thomsen-ebook/dp/B002VFPRV4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=#reader_B002VFPRV4 Kindle book] shows both names on the title page. So looks like we have a difference between the paperback and the ebook? Won't be the first... We can easily change that - would you like to try? I think I may have this book somewhere as well so will see if I can find it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:04, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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It's not clear to me what you're suggesting I try. (Although I'm willing to give it a whirl). {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
: To submit an update of the authors for the book (as based on what you see on the title page of yours, our record is a bit faulty). Or I can submit it if you prefer? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:08, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Legends ==<br />
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What is on the title page [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4678651 on this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Legends - Edited by Margaret Weis with Janet Pack and Robin Crew<br />
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:Earth, Air, Fire, Water - Edited by Margaret Weis with Robyn McGrew and Janet Pack<br />
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:Seems likely to be a typo, but I understand you need rules to prioritize conflicting information.<br />
:In support of it probably being a typo, the acknowledgment page credits Weise, Pack, and Robin McGrew as the copyright owners of the prologue. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
:: If the title page says Robin Crew, our record remains like that. But as it is indeed obviously a typo (based on how OCLC had added both books for example and the copyright notes), we variant to the correct author and add a note on the discrepancy. I've done the needed variants and added notes. Thanks for finding this one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:00, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Terribly Twisted Tales ==<br />
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To add the contents to {{P|282222|Terribly Twisted Tales}}, there are two options:<br />
# You can go to the publication page and click "Edit This Pub" in the left menu. In the edit screen, scroll down to the "Regular Titles" section and click the "Add Title" button. This will add a row where you can add the page number, title, author, etc. Repeat for each story. If there are reviews or interviews, enter under their respective sections. When done submit.<br />
# If the stories are already in the database, they can be imported. This is the preferred method (as the above would create duplicates that would then need to be merged), but is more complex. To do this, also go to the publication page, but click "Import Content" in the left menu. In a separate window, find the title record for a story to import. Copy the URL and past into the "Title 1" box under the "Option 2" portion of the import screen. For additional titles, click the plus sign and repeat in Title 2, etc. When done, click the "Import Titles", add the page numbers on the following screen, and submit.<br />
Hope that helps. Let us us know if you have more questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:17, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I guess I should have waited longer, but as I couldn't seem to add a question to the 'help' page, I tried re-adding the book as new entry with interior title info.<br />
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:Think I'll wait for more instructions before digging the hole even deeper.<br />
:See http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4682913 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GlennMcG|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::No problem. Sometimes we get a little backed up. You can always post at [[ISFDB:Help desk]] which usually gets a faster response. To avoid you having to redo work, I have accepted the new version and deleted the old one. When we have generic titles like Introduction or Foreword, we add the publication title in parenthesis after the title. This is to avoid an author's page being filled with a series of "Introduction" and no easy way to tell them apart. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I had tried to ask the question on the help page, but got a write permission error.<br />
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Also, this move lost the cover art linkage from the old record.<br />
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== Please sign your name ==<br />
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Please sign your name on talk pages and discussion boards using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will insert your name and the date. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:41, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:There is also a button in the toolbar above the edit window (the second to last that looks like a signature) which will insert the syntax so you don't have to type it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:44, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:00, 19 June 2020 (EDT) Ok<br />
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Although it does seem odd that the site software doesn't sign things auto-magically, as you need to be signed in to play the game. [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:03, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Edge of Running Water ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|780259|The Edge of Running Water}}, but made a couple of changes:<br />
*Standardized the publisher to Editions for the Armed Services<br />
*Removed Armed Services Editions from the pub series. It is redundant with the publisher and not really a pub series since every book published by this publisher was marked as that.<br />
*Changed the page count to 352. When there is a single unnumbered page after the numbered page, we just include it in the numbered pages. If there were multiple unnumbered pages (say 5, for example), then it would be entered as 352+5.<br />
*Changed the price to $0.00 and moved the text to the pub notes. Prices should be currency symbol and number only. Any explanations go in the notes.<br />
*I added the date based on the catalog id as sourced to Wikipedia.<br />
Thanks for adding this. Regarding your note on adding the cover image: Now that the pub is entered, there is a "Upload cover scan" link below he pub notes. You would use that to upload the scan and then edit the publication to add the resultant link to the scan. There is a link to the help page in the welcome message above. If you have any questions, please let us know. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:57, 26 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Grantville Gazette VII ==<br />
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I accepted the changes to {{P|572601|Grantville Gazette VII}}, but kept the original "By Hook or by Crook". It was easier to edit the title of the existing record to make the capitalization change. Actually, it would have been easier to edit all three titles instead, but as they appear in other verified pubs, we will have to run that by those verifiers. So I accepted for this pub and will have the other verifiers check their pubs. Once confirmed, I will merge or variant as necessary. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:53, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Did you see the response I made in my talk pages? I believe the usual practice is to respond to the question where it is asked. Thanks for spotting the problems. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 08:58, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::The cover of the paperback version is slightly different that the covers of the HC and TP versions of this book. I had scanned my cover and added it to the ISFDB, but it disappeared when the incorrect book was deleted. If you copy has a clean cover, can you scan it and replace the cover of the PB version? [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 10:02, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Just noticed the "Best Selling" medallion is in a different location. I'll upload a scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:29, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! Much better than my old cover. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 12:26, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The E.S.P. Worm ==<br />
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When changing data in a publication with active primary verifiers, please check with another verifier first. Beyond a courtesy, we have found that this occasionally reveals the existence of a different version (99% of the time it's a database error, but sometimes it's not). I checked with Rtrace and he confirmed your change so I accepted it. I have also unmerged it from the other versions using Robert E. Margroff and created a variant title. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:41, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Castle Fantastic ==<br />
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For {{P|6269|Castle Fantastic}}, I have had to reject your edit. Instead of creating a new title, simply edit publication and change the existing title. This avoids having to remove and delete the old one. When a title is only in a single publication, it can be edited from that publication (it will not be grayed out). Please resubmit with just correcting the existing record. After that is approved, it will show up under {{A|Linda Dunn}} and need to be varianted to {{A|Linda J. Dunn}} (as described with Carolyn Gilman's title on my talk page). From you moderator note, it sounds like you have this pub. Please consider primary verifying it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:56, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest for the Spear ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|68403|Quest for the Spear}}.<br />
*Title: I debated about this. These days, if a publication title is of the format of "Series Name: Book Name" (or vice versa), we only record the book name and leave the series for the series field. However, this was a one off. There were other films, though. I went with it as a series name. If you feel different, let me know and I will reverse it. <br />
*Prologue: Does this stand on its own? Like it would be reprinted elsewhere? If not, we would include it as part of the novel and not list it separately.<br />
*Introduction: Yes, we would normally include essay introductions. If it was a fictional introduction, then it would fall into the same category as the prologue, but an essay gets indexed. As for page number, the preferred method would be to count the unnumbered pages and enter the "page number" in brackets [] to indicate unnumbered. The other choice is to use "bp" to indicate unnumbered pages that precede pagination (this is what I typically do). <br />
Let me know what you think about the title and whether we should remove the prologue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:57, 6 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:It's fine as a series. I'll remove the prologue, as it's not standalone. (Just late 4th century A.D. setup for modern times). 'bp' seems easier, but what would I use for the first of five pages before page one? [i]? [-4]? [-5]? [1]? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:01, 6 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I would probably go with [i] as that implies front pages, but you could also go with [1]. The key is to explain the situation in the notes (ex. "Introduction starts on the first of five unnumbered pages before the novel" or something similar). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:45, 7 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I tweaked it per your suggestions, but was wondering if there was a way to have the introduction show up before the main novel in the title list.<br />
--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:31, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Use pipe in the page number. [1]|5 will sort as 5 for example. If the page number contains | (pipe), the number after it is used for sorting while the one before it is shown. If there is no pipe, the number is used for both - think of 3 being a short way to write 3|3 for example. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Steal the Galaxy! ==<br />
<br />
A few small things:<br />
* You do not need <nowiki><br></nowiki> on every line -- we used to but the software changed 10 years or so ago. We just never cleaned up all the old ones (and some editors keep adding them). The first one (on the first line) is the only one that makes sense and any difference (as it will put you under the line that starts with Notes on the pub page)<br />
* The issue of Locus where the book was listed is interesting information and I hate losing it when editors edit. So I restored it here. <br />
See the changes [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638864 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:24, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Enemies of Fortune ==<br />
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Putting "Delete" as the page number will not automatically delete a title - we use that when there are multiple changes in the book so we do not lose track (and if the handling moderator decides to, they can do the Remove) but a change that only changes this is unneeded. What you need to do is to submit a "Remove Titles From This Pub" request instead -- go to the left menu and locate the link for that. For this book, it will open [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/rmtitles.cgi?256791 this]. Select the title you want to remove and submit the removal. <br />
I rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4694544 this]. I can do the Remove or you can try (so you know how to do it next time) :) Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:28, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I can do that, but when I changed the title the first time following instructions that worked previously it failed this way. (Add replacement title, marking the original to substitute). Am I in this boat because that edit failed to work, and this is the appropriate fixup? Or should I have done it differently in the first place? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No, it worked exactly as it was supposed to. You just did not have an invisible helper this time. :) If you want a title out from a publication, someone needs to send a Remove submission - you or the moderator who approved that first edit. When you mark the title as you did initially (with *** or deleted in the page number), you have a 50/50 chance of a moderator simply making the Remove for you silently post approval. <br />
:: Last time it appeared to work because the approving moderator made the Remove Titles submissions after they approved your edit and probably never came to tell you that there is one more step to be done in such cases (which they had done). With new editors, we all try to shield them a bit from the more complicated and annoying parts of the DB so we will do a lot of additional submissions and fixes post approval. I usually would still stop by and explain what I had to do in addition to the already done but... Some moderators will, some won't - depends on how busy one is and sometimes depends on how concentrated one is. Hope that makes sense. <br />
:: PS: Do not submit Remove in parallel to Pub Edit -- if the Remove is approved first, the Pub Edit will fail. As it is a 2 step process, I tend to assist and make the Remove when I approve such edits - you did the work of marking it, I can as well make the other submission when I do not get distracted. But different moderators work differently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:12, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: So, basically double check all my approved edits, and finish up what doesn't happen auto-magically by editor. :) --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:16, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep. Plus this also allows you to spot other things you missed the first time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forge of Virtue ==<br />
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Another little tip: When a submission is approved, the "old" data is lost. So when adding notes in the cases when there is a PV already such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4695002 here] instead of stating the obvious "Notes update pre-PVing" which is as good as not adding a note at all, list the changes you are making ("copyright, number line, first printing added" for example). This way someone looking at the history can see what data was verified when. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:34, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. I thought I read somewhere that the note to the moderator wasn't retained, and therefore wouldn't show up in history. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:39, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is not retained as part of the title/publication record itself but if you go to the submission itself (via History (this feature is very new), "My Changed Primary" (a few years old - and which is how now we do not require you to post on every PV page every time you touch a PV-ed publication - which used to be the rule before) or via the Recent Edits), it is there on the submission. :) So you should not put important information there but stuff like "what changed" belongs there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:52, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Patricia Mathews ==<br />
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You started off correctly editing the parent entries and then veered into editing the variant entries (which is incorrect). I accepted the couple correct ones, but will be rejecting all of the incorrect ones. I will explain the difference in a minute, but want to post this message now as you are continuing to make edits that will need to be rejected. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:14, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I know where I went off the rails. I'll start up again when you give the word. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:17, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I typed the following before seeing your response so am going to go ahead and post it just in case: Titles should be credited as per the publication. If the publication uses a non-canonical name for an author, we variant the title to the canonical name. The variant will have the credit used in the publication and the parent will have the canonical author name. To fix these stories, the '''''parent''''' needs to be edited so that the variant keeps the form used in the publication and the parent shows up under the canonical author's page. Most of your submission have been changing the '''''variant''''' which means you are changing the form used in the publication and still leaving it under the {{A|Patricia Matthews}} author's page. I will leave the edits on hold for now. If you click on "My Pending Edits", you will see what you were changing. From there you can go to the parent record and edit it instead. That may make it easier so you don't have re-research each one. When you are done, you can either cancel your held edits or I will reject them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:29, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'm cancelling now, and will edit the parents. It turns out I can't find any entries that make sense for 'Patricia Matthews'. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:31, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I've edited a parent. When approved, I'll follow suit for the others. Sorry about the extra work for you. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:36, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. It's part of the learning process of how things work here, so no problems. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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"There Is Always an Alternative" is an interesting case as there is publication under the parent title as well. The data for publication that comes from secondary sources. I will check into it and see if that credit is correct or not. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:01, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It should have been one "t" as well. Fixed. Thanks for finding these. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:18, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Song ==<br />
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I approved your edit to {{P|355301|Blood Song}}. However, you left the prior "Data from Amazon (date) and Locus Magazine #608 as of 2012-09-08" statement, but you primary verified it. When a publication is primary verified, the expectation is that the data is from the publication iteself. If any information in a primary verified publication comes from secondary sources, than it should explicitly state which information (ex. "Cover artist not credited. Cover artist from artist's website."). The statement should either be removed or edited. If the date is Amazon than it should say "Date from Amazon as of ...", but the way it is written says the date is from Amazon and the rest of the information from Locus. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:45, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Same with {{P|462375|To Dance with the Devil}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hmmm. I read "Data from Amazon (date) and Locus Magazine #608 as of 2012-09-08." as the entry was created with data from both Amazon(the date), and the rest from Locus, on 2012-09-08. The date in the entry (from Amazon) is more specific than the year/month on the copyright page. Perhaps something like:<br />
::* Exact publication date from Amazon<br />
::* Listed in Locus #608<br />
::* my stuff<br />
::<small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GlennMcG|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:::Looks good. Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:46, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Castaways in Time ==<br />
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You managed to double verify {{P|6252|Castaways in Time}}. Not a big deal, but you may want to remove one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:26, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: How would one do that? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:51, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Lol. That's a good question. You could probably unverify (which would hopefully remove both) and reverify. But now that I think about it, it shouldn't be possible to get in that state the way the GUI works these days. I will point Ahasuerus to this discussion in case there is a bug he would want to look into. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:35, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, I don't see a way to modify/remove verifications in any way. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:43, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::To remove or change a verification, click on "Verify This Pub" this pub again. If you have already verified it, the options will now be "No verification" and "Transient verification" (assuming you permanently verified it). This allows undoing a mistaken verification or changing the status of a verification (in case you are downsizing your collection or have bought a book you previously transient verified). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:09, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Nightshifted ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4696564 this edit]. It looks like you cloned the second printing to create the first? We already have the {{P|380940|first printing}}. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:50, 13 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Yep, must have missed it somehow. I'll cancel the edit, and PV the 1st printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:02, 13 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Remains ==<br />
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For {{P|37945|The Dark Remains}} & other recent additions, you added a note of "Maps by Karen Wallace". Is there a reason you just didn't add the maps as interior art? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Because I didn't know that was appropriate. What would you like me to do? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:06, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:We generally include them so I'd add them. They are entered as interior art. For title, 1) if the map has title "Given Title (map)"; 2) if the map is not titled, "Book Title (map)"; and if the same map is used in multiple books of the series and is not titled, you could use "Series Title (map)". If there are multiple maps, than use "maps" instead of "map" in the parenthesis. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:02, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Replacing cover images ==<br />
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When replacing cover images that are already on the wiki, please don't upload at a new location. Instead, upload over the existing image. To do that, go to the image page (example [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992.jpg]]) and use the "Upload a new version of this file" at the bottom of the page. It will warn you that are overwriting an existing image, but just go ahead. If someone else uploaded the prior image, edit the image page after uploading and change the name in the source field to your user name. You will not need to re-edit the publication entry as it will already be linked. However, due to a bug with our wiki software, your browser may not show the new image unless you force a cache refresh (typically a shift F5). This avoids unused & duplicate images on the wiki. <br />
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For {{P|THRGHTHCTK1992|Through the Ice}}, I moved the image you uploaded at [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992-2.jpg]] over to [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992.jpg]] and deleted the former. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:07, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I was concerned that if I used the same name it would overwrite the old image, and make it impossible to refuse the edit. So this is a function that is not moderated? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:11, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Correct. Image uploading is not moderated. But we do pay attention to it so if something goes wrong, it can be fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:52, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ancient One ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4703666 this submission]: Is this 6th printing actually listed in Locus with the specified printing date? Or when cloning {{P|262496|this record}} did the date and note not get removed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:16, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I missed removing the Locus reference in the cloning process. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:02, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Approved & removed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:03, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kisssing Sin (excerpt) ==<br />
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In {{P|96661|Tempting Evil}}, should be the second excerpt be "Kissing Sin" (two s's) instead of the current three s's? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:26, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Although 3 times is a charm, 2 is the right call here. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:13, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Changed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:02, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Survival ==<br />
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For {{P|687731|Survival}}, I accepted the edit, but changed the date to match the publication statement. Per the current rules ([[:Template:PublicationFields:Year]], last bullet), we use the date listed in the publication as the official date. If a secondary source provides a more precise date, it is acceptable to refine the precision (ex. add a day to a year & month only). If a secondary source contradicts the publication, we still use the publication's date and the secondary source information can go into the pub notes. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Got it. I think I was intuiting a more numeric approach to approximations, but understand the rationale. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:56, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iorich ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4714399 your update submission] on hold, as I suspect that you inadvertently updated the wrong record. There's a mass market record already available [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?651379 here], PV'd by Taweiss. You may want to cancel your submission, remove your PV from the 2010 record, and PV the latter instead. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:41, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. In some ways, I wonder whether the 2010 pb existed at all. I actively collect Brust and would have picked up then, rather than waiting until 2018 to grab it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:04, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Looking at the date of the addition to the site and the date of the book (it is added 2 and a half months before the pub date), it won't surprise me if it was announced but never made it out indeed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:10, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding an interview to the contents ==<br />
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Hello. You added in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4714801 this submission] an interview as an essay, with both the interviewee (Robert Buettner) as well as the interviewer (uncredited) as authors. Better is to have this entered as an actual INTERVIEW record - unless of course Robert Buettner happens to be the actual ''author'' of the interview? Let me know if you would want to change the title from ESSAY to INTERVIEW yourself, or if you prefer I do that for you. I've put the submission on hold for the moment. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:55, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I'll submit another edit and cancel the first. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:31, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Gotcha when changing pub titles ==<br />
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Hi. If you decide to change a publication's title, a subtle gotcha is that usually the associated COVERART record was created using the same title used when the pub was created. It does not automatically get changed after that, so a second edit is required to fix it up as well. I did this for {{T|2755158|The Witch War Cycle}}. Just something to keep in mind for the future. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:19, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:There's no image on the book that you linked now. But I can't remember if it had one before. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:50, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No image does not mean no Cover Art record - which is what Marty is talking about. :) When a new book is added, the title and the publication title are the same and so is the cover art title of a cover artist is added. Once created, they become 3 separate records - and they all usually need adjustment when you are changing one of them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:07, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I tried with another rename and it's closer, but still an issue. I changed title and cover art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4720071], but when I link back through the cover it points at a parent with a title that doesn't exist. How do I unvariant the cover art? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2755637] goes to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2755639, which shouldn't exist. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:31, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The parent needs to exist as the pub artist credit is "Ken W. Kelly", but our canonical name for that artist is "Ken Kelly". Instead of unvarianting, you need to edit the parent. Go to that last link, click the edit button in the top right, and change the name to match the pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:55, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Got it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:08, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Carson of Venus'' omnibus price ==<br />
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Hi. In your submission for ''Carson of Venus: Volume 1'', you give a price of $0.00, but then the notes say it is POD and prices vary, which is different from a $0.00 price. Which is correct? I think if the price is varying, we'd leave the price field blank. We do have free publications where the price is literally zero. No need to do anything: I will adjust on acceptance according to whatever you say. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:01, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, missed this one. Blank is fine for price. I thought I had seen bibliographic warnings for missing price and thought $0.00 would suppress them. The old null vs empty-string conundrum. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:47, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::It will, unfortunately, show a warning, but we don't have a special non-price price value. Maybe someday. :-) Anyway, it's accepted and updated. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:52, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If it is a US only book (aka all prices are in $), I would put $ instead of a blank field. It deals with the warning (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2714526 for an example] and it does show the country the book belongs to (which for languages with multiple countries is a good and useful data point) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:12, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::I've seen US and UK prices for books in different volumes of this POD series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:23, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then we are stuck with empty for this one. But keep that in mind for other cases :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:28, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Would '$£' be legal? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:34, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: I think it will get flagged and fixed after that. Just leave it empty for now. :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:27, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''At the Earth's Core'', et al, omnibus ==<br />
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Hi. For this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4719397 submission], I have two questions:<br />
# The ISBN of 0486201510 is flagged as invalid. Would you double-check?<br />
# Our standard for naming omnibuses (omnibi?) when they are not specifically titled is to use the titles of the collected works, separated by slashes and spaces. See the second sub-bullet in [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Title]]. So if the omnibus you have just lists the three titles, we would use ''At the Earth's Core / Pellucidar / Tanar of Pellucidar'' instead of ''At the Earth's Core: Pellucidar: Tanar of Pellucidar''.<br />
Let me know, and I will adjust. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:28, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I've created another 'newPub' and will cancel the old. (I didn't notice your offer to replace in time, and I have more info this go round, anyways). The ISBN is funny, as it's written with transposed digits on the rear cover, which I copied, but correct on spine and copyright page. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:39, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Always good to mention that ISBN funny thinghy in the notes, too :) Cheers! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:12, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:51, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yeah. If it appears in multiple places and any one of them is correct, we take that one as "the" ISBN and note where we got it and the discrepancy with the others. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:41, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::And correct just means passes checksum algorithm. No convenient way to determine if it's the 'right' ISBN. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:25, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Claimed by Shadow ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check again the OCLC number [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?786841 here]? I do not see anything in OCLC indicating that this is a record for the second printing. OCLC adds some later printings and the OCLC numbers we add should be for the correct printing, not generic records. In the very least a note explaining that the OCLC record is for an unclear printing needs to be added. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:31, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Just remove it, or I can. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:42, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you had not yet, I will. Sorry - went to bed last night so did not see this :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:19, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: I moved it. If you decide to remove it completely, go away and remove the line I added - especially with a PV, it can go away (if there is no PV, I would leave it this way as OCLC has page numbers and stuff like that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:24, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I think the root problem is that I don't know when it's appropriate to check 'reuse external IDs' when cloning a publication for a different printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:20, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Personally, I almost always uncheck this one -- if I need to re-add some from the original, I do it while editing the clone. My exception is for non-English books usually - for example FantLab keeps single record for all reprints of an edition -- so this record goes on all of our records. OCLC for Russian books also does not care much about printings. <br />
::: When it comes down to US books, OCLC tends to keep separate records for printings (not all of printings have it), DNB does the same for German for example (so having the same DNB record for two printings is almost unheard of). LCCN has the first printing(and sometimes later when it is very different but still called printing because... publishers... ) so my rule is to usually just add on the first printing and just note it on the rest but other people do it differently for LCCN (as unlike OCLC, printings and other formats usually will not be issued a new LCCN). Goodreads is rarely per printing unless the cover changes - then they will have both records - but they usually have a date on the record which ties to a printing in most cases. It is a thin line sometimes -- and you will see more than one practice being used. <br />
::: Hope this makes some sense. Just trust your instincts - if you are looking for information about this specific printing/edition, does this external ID actually describe it and with library sources (OCLC, BL, BNF, DNB, PORBASE and so on), if a book is pulled based on this record, will it be the one you are holding? This is why we allow the templating inside of the notes (what I did when I edited) - so you can note additional records that are related but not exactly matching (but that can add information if the actual version does not have a record) - you won't add these if there an exact one unless it has a lot of relevant information but they are useful in cases such as OCLC having a single record for a series or just records for other printings and so on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:42, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthborn ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4721227 your submission] on hold for a moment, as it would be best to ask Holmesd if he's OK to remove the publication date of this 4th printing. He may recall why he has left a publication date of 1996-05-00 for this one. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:40, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I asked, and (s)he's ok with it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:59, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:01, 17 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Grimes at the Great Race ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4727163 this edit], the proposed new parent is an exact match of the existing record. What are you trying to achieve? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:20, 15 August 2020 (EDT)'<br />
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:It was supposed to point at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43424]. ('at' a variant of 'and').--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:03, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::To do that you need to use the Option 1 section of the variant screen. In the Parent # box, you would place the title number (it will actual accept the whole URL to make copy and pasting easier) of the desired parent. When you use the Option 2 section, you are creating a new record. I've rejected the edit and will let you re-submit the correct form. Let me know if my instructions were not clear. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:20, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Upon a Sea of Stars ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4727210 this edit], does the publication:<br />
# have the novel or does it have the original short stories? <br />
# have the collection itself or does it have the stories from the collection?<br />
Only what is actually in the publication should be listed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:22, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:#Yes. The novel, and the components are listed in TOC, and each have separate title pages.<br />
:#Yes. Same for the collection.<br />
:--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:08, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::It seems unlikely that the novel would fit in 2 pages. Is it really the novel + the novelettes (in other words the full novel plus the repetition of the individual stories that were combined to make the novel) or the novel is formed of chapters that are the same as the novelettes? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:14, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::It's nested, like the TOC, which is formatted as an outline.<br />
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:::#title page of novel<br />
:::#dedication page of novel<br />
:::#title page of first component and initial text<br />
:::#more pages of component #1<br />
:::#title page of 2nd compononent and initial text<br />
:::#more pages of component #2<br />
:::etc --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:21, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:27, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperial Earth & The Wind from the Sun ==<br />
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Hello. To answer your question ''Don't know if I'm supposed to add '[verified]' to my G39 printing.'' in your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4738029 here]: No. Since the ISFDB records all distinct printings, I suggest you create a new record by cloning the G10 printing and make it your G39 printing, that you can then verify. Btw, is your G39 printing also an SFBC? (note that I'm not an expert on these kind of printing designations and SFBC, so you may want to consult other moderators that can chime in with their thoughts on the matter, but the basic rule is 'if it's a different printing, then it's a different pub record...).<br />
Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4738033 this one], I think. As far as I can deduce, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194077 this record] is for the first printing (D1). Is your G20 printing a SFBC edition too, or a regular one? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:42, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: There are special rules for entering SFBC editions. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_a_SFBC_publication]. One record for all printings. It's just that the instructions don't mention how to use the 'verified' tag when describing the gutter code. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:02, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - SFBC is a bit special on this regard - unless the cover or the ISBN or the SFBC number changes or something else, we don't separate printings here (these indicate something closer to batches and not printings basically). The usual way is to specify that PV2 has gutter code XX, PV3 has gutter code YY and so on -- I like adding the name of the editor as well, especially if it is not PV1 (in case someone pulls their verification - the old system had exact numbers, this one does not). Alternatively just listing them all in a list also works. That can change at some point but I prefer the system as is quite honestly... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:39, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I haven't seen linkages to PVers in any of the few dozen i've PVed. Just an occasional 'verified' after the gutter code. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:45, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Some do, some don't. We have other cases with gutter codes which serve as batch differentiators only. The Verified means someone saw that code (aka it is not just from an online source) and decided to mark it that way because they also added some of the others; adding a name helps track down details if it gets to that. Do whatever feels comfortable - I tend to like more information than less. Different editors, different styles. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:50, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hmmm, I not necessarily agree with bunching all SFBC printings (don't understand what the difference between print runs & batches really is, especially since it seems that gutter code identifies which batch/printing it is about) into a single pub record, but I'll approve the few records I have on hold (as they conform to the current practice). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:28, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Motor-Boat, Motor-Cycle ==<br />
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I noticed that you corrected some pub titles of both Tom Swift novels. However, you didn't change the contents title accordingly. Having done a cursory check on Motor-Boat, I notice that virtually all (if not all?) publications have the hyphen on their title page. Would you think that it is a correct assumption that all existing records must be updated? So, shouldn't we change all pub and title records to the hyphen variant? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:34, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:At a minimum, at least all the facsimile Applewood publications should match. I missed one, and have entered an edit. Beyond that, I don't see how you're seeing title page info on the others. Now, we could change the title record to have the dash, as then it would match the original (facsimile) edition. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:19, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, for a few of the others I did check LookInside on Amazon (for what that's worth), and these showed the dash as well. If we're not going to touch the other ones, and only the facsimile ones, we'll have to create a new title record (not change the existing one, otherwise you'll end up changing the title record for all other pubs as well), and then either variant the one with the dash to the one without (or the other way around, depends on which one's older will be the parent). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:57, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm new at this and am happy to take direction from those with a more seasoned opinions. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:40, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Knight Life ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, I've accepted your edit to change the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19638 Knight Life] from Ace Books to Ace Fantasy Books. A quick heads up: you may not know we have a protocol to advise other Primary Verifiers of proposed changes to their verified publications, and this book would be a case in point before submitting the edit. However as you can see, the other verifiers have not shown their faces around these parts for some time (the most recent being March this year), and we shouldn't let your edit to remain unapproved in perpetuity. Please just leave a message on their Talk pages that your edit has gone ahead in lieu of their long absence. Thanks! [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:01, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Breach in the Heavens ==<br />
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For {{P|680059|A Breach in the Heavens}}, the notes have "This edition has US, UK and Canadian prices". It would be good to include the UK and Canadian prices in that note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:52, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Done (Although, I did inherit that part of the note). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:20, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Crippled Angel ==<br />
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Just a quick note. Excerpts get the publication date from the publication they appear in, not the pub date of the original publication (which I guess you've done for 'Druid's Sword (excerpt)' ?). I've updated this excerpt you've added to {{p|359734|The Crippled Angel}} from 2006-05-00 to 2006-08-00. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:44, 5 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! That makes it easier to deal adding excerpts. My (apparently bad) intuition was that it would be more like a title, than a publication. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:26, 5 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, it's a title all right, but one that happens to be published together with the book it appears in. Look at it this way: excerpts are titles in their own right and are, in a way, unrelated to the work they're an excerpt from - much like short stories, really. If you look at excerpts this way, it's easy to see why they receive the date of the pub they appear in. Hope that helps? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:02, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:If it were like a real short story, the date would be when the short was first published, not when the collection or anthology it's printing in was. But nevertheless, I understand the process now. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:39, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes, exactly so. But unless we know when this exact same excerpt was first published, we have to stick with what we know; ie the date of the publication at hand :) And by the way, thanks for your contributions! Most appreciated! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:49, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ark Liberty ==<br />
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I've added cover art credit to {{P|264314|Ark Liberty}} since that artwork is featured on page 15 of David Mattingly's artbook Alternate Views, Alternate Universes (the signature is hidden under the publisher's red bar). [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 17:28, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's The Rest of the Robots ==<br />
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I've started a [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Asimov's The Rest of the Robots|discussion]] on the Community Portal regarding some changes I'd like to make to the publications of Asimov's ''The Rest of the Robots''. Since you verified a copy, please weigh in there and let me know your opinion on the proposed changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:25, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Yaril's Children ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|55659|Yaril's Children}} with some notes. [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 21:47, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ride the Star Winds ==<br />
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I'm trying to change the cover artist credit for {{P|376546|Ride the Star Winds}} -- the book itself (and the amazon look inside) says cover art by Stephen Hickman, but the art appears on Alan Pollack's website (under Science Fiction) and I pm'd Steve on FB and he says that isn't his art! [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 14:15, 16 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Up Jim River ==<br />
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Re {{P|338622|Up Jim River}}: Is there a reason to not include the maps (as by uncredited) in the contents? I recognize the pub note predates your edit, but if there is maps, we would generally include in the contents and you are the only active verifier at this point. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:20, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Having someone to credit is one the factors I use when determining what to add while editing. However, I can go back and add the maps. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:17, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Knight Life number line ==<br />
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I see that you recently added a note to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19638 Knight Life]'' indicating that it is a first printing noted by a number line. My copy has no number line. Could I get you to take a second look. If yours really does have a number line, then I would surmise that we have two different variants. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:58, 20 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:You're right, there's no number line. Not sure why I entered it that way, other than I screwed up. Edit entered to remove the number line. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:23, 20 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales from Not Long for This World ==<br />
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I'm going to make some changes to our mutually verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177297 Tales from Not Long for This World]''. The title of the publication is currently listed as "Not Long for This World (abridged)" and there is a note stating "The title on the cover is preceded by 'Tales from' but not on the title page." This statement is not correct. The title page does have the words "Tales from" appearing in a smaller font above the rest of the title. I suspect that with the title depicted in negative space and the size of the font that whoever added that comment must have missed it. In any case, I'm going to alter the title and the note. I also intend to add at least one external id. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat*A*Lyst ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6369 Cat*A*Lyst], but you need to now variant that title with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3428 Cat-A-Lyst], or be sure to merge it with other versions of the pub with the new title. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:46, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: You should probably further investigate which other pub records need to updated to the 'dotted' spelling of the title and merge/variant as needed. And by the way, the pub record now has two coverart title records too... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:31, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
I'm trying to figure out an order to attack this in. I removed the 2nd cover, and did an edit for the Canadian pb. Would it make sense to edit the title record, as I believe that most of the pubs will end up with dots? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:12, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Depends. If you can establish that the vast majority of pubs have the dot-title, then yes, you could do that and then unmerge the few that are with a dash. Seems to me the first thing to establish is which pubs have a dot-title... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:58, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
Hmmm. 5 dots, 4 dashes, and 1 neither. I am tempted to change the main title to dots, as that would match the first appearance of the title as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:13, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:All my edits went through, and now I'm not sure if I'm done or not. Is all right the way it is, or are there further steps? Should there be a variant title? I'm not quite sure what would be expected here. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3428 list] there are 3 publications (the UK Orbit ones) where the title uses the fancy character while the publication uses the "-". They need to match so if these 3 really need to have "-" (and it seems so?), the next step is to unmerge the 3 publications out from the title and then merge the 3 resulting titles and then variant the result to the main work. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:46, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: One more actually: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2071918 this one] needs to be merged into the main work. Let me know if you want to try or if you want me to. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:48, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::How about Katzenspiel? Do translations have different expectations? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:56, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Technically yes but [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1652366 it] is already on its own and varianted into the main title so nothing needs to be changed in it. :) The only ones that were getting changed were the English language ones - the translations are already sorted out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:04, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: All approved and I also sorted out the Keith Parkinson covers (two of them were with the wrong separator). What remains now are the three reviews - for which we will need the PVs of the publications they are in to check what the separator is. Unfortunately 2 of the 3 have only inactive PVs so I would just leave the reviews alone (so just mentioning it here for the next time you are adjusting titles) :) Thanks for fixing these! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:54, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Looks good! Thanks for sorting these out. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:48, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A War of Shadows ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?149801 this] is Davis Meltzer, his signature is in the middle at the very bottom of the front cover, see [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/dc/38/a4dc38fd5bb623bcacc37327e8784fcf.jpg this scan]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 17:30, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== HTMLize notes ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
<br />
Changing a lengthy note from non-HTML to HTML format when adding a small piece of information is considered a bit rude and inconsiderate, especially when there are multiple PVs (such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4783911 here]). We work as a team and one editor's format cannot (and should not) be used to overwrite everyone else's just because they are the last to edit. It will be appreciated if you show some respect to the other editors' styles - not everyone is comfortable working with HTML and we support both types of comments for a reason. <br />
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I think I mentioned that once in one of the threads but don't remember mentioning it directly on your page so decided to stop by and just post a reminder. Thanks for the understanding and thanks for adding all the additional information. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:52, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok, I'll dial it back. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:54, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! If you are the only PV or you are adding extensive notes (which you often do), it is all yours - the HTML format is supported and acceptable. It is the multi-PVed ones where someone is only adding a small piece of info -- if any of the other PVs decides to, they can just go and undo the html again -- which will lead to editing wars. So we thread lightly. And it goes in the other direction as well - removing html for the sake of removal will be frowned upon as well. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:::I check my altered PVs and use that as a feedback indication, rather than a call to arms. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:04, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Interviews and special naming rules ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, <br />
<br />
Interviews and reviews are the two types of titles that seemingly have two authors. However, due to how the DB works, only one can be varianted into a canonical name - the Interviewer and the Reviewer respectively as they are considered the authors per our definition. However - we still show the statistics for the other 2 -- and if we cannot variant, it leaves the DB in a bit of a weird state (with titles on pseudonyms pages). That means that the Interviewee and the author of the reviewed work have to be recorded with their canonical names (a note can be added to specify how they were credited). I fixed it in one of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2782313 verified]. It is one of those weird rules that make sense but are not intuitive (thus me trying to explain the reasoning). Let me know if you have any questions. <br />
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PS: This is one of the rules everyone forgets - so you are not alone in mixing these up :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:48, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:For reviews, canonical name is not required. It merely needs to be a form already in the database (see [[:Template:TitleFields:ReviewAuthor]]). If a review uses a recorded pseudonym, then we use that pseudonym. If it uses a variation of a recorded pseudonym, then we'd correct to the pseudonym. The review would then be linked to the variant title record and the software is smart enough to show the review on both the variant and parent title. See this {{T|2752126|review}}, {{T|2515290|variant}}, and {{T|2515291|parent}} for an example. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:08, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Oops. Thanks for the correction and clarification on that one. You are right of course - for reviews the form of the name just need to exist and match the title we connect to. I came to explain the rule for interviews, decided to add the second special type and made a mess of it. Thanks for the catch. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:17, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gadget Maker ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4786827 this] speculative fiction? The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gadget_Maker Wikipedia synopsis] certainly doesn't make it seem so. It would seem to fall into our "Techno-thriller, political thriller and satire works set in a future indistinguishable from the present" (where the present is 1954) clause. Is their synopsis misleading? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I haven't read it. I bought it many years ago thinking it was, but old-school techno-thriller seems to characterize accurately. I was thinking that stories about engineers making rockets seemed close. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:27, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Okay, let's exclude it until you have a chance to read it. If you find that it has some speculative elements, we can unreject the submission. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:30, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Could you point me at where it talks about the scope for the site? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Sure. It's [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy]]. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:37, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Don Lynch --> Howard Koslow? ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, please take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Possible_correction_of_artist this possible finding]. Right now, you seem to be the only available PV editor. Would you like to comment over at the noticeboard (and possibly take action)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:30, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cerulean Sins ==<br />
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You really should change the cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63268 here] - a /P/ Amazon image can be changed at any time :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Never mind - apparently you did on a next update ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:24, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Novel ending page ==<br />
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Hello. Just a heads-up. For publications where the printed page numbers go beyond the end of the novel, add a note stating "Novel ends on page xxx" (I could swear this is somewhere in the rules, but couldn't find it... ah well... still think it's a good idea to add it to the notes :). [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423759 Here] for example, you updated the page count from 531 to 549, and added an excerpt starting on p535. This leads me to believe that the novel proper ended on p.531, correct? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:00, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426654 this one] [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:28, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Winter Song ==<br />
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Hi have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4808064 your submission] on hold, as I wonder if it wouldn't be better to state that the US edition has the author's name in Orange, instead of outright deleting the statement? Like you did when you updated the US edition ? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:08, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Resubmitted per your suggestion. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:19, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== King's Property ==<br />
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I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?803678 this one] but looking at the one we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99721 here], it seems like it is a duplicate. The 11st seems like a typo for 1st and the price being the same in both Canada and USA kinda points to the original record being also a first edition - an 11th will be much later so at least one of the prices should be different. Would you like to update the old record and add your notes and updates there? Sorry for not catching it before approval. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sapphire Rose ==<br />
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You are PV2 on the sapphire Rose by David Eddings. Either you or PV1 named the map The Sapphire Rose (maps) with the 1992 publication date. If you check your copy I think you will see it is signed and dated 1988. This map was used in all three books of the Elenium. In fact, the publisher refers to this map as the Eosia map on the copyright page of the first book in the next series. Let me know if you have a problem with me changing this. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:53, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:05, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Auto-da-Fé ==<br />
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Hello Glenn. I noticed that you added {{t|2803502|Auto-da-Fé}} as a replacement for {{t|59204|Auto-da-Fe}} (without accent aigu) to the 1967 publication {{p|52497|Turning On}}, but with the same publication year (1961). However, as far as we know the variant {{t|2803502|Auto-da-Fé}} was first published in the 1967 edition of {{p|52497|Turning On}} (or perhaps for the first time in the 1966 edition {{p|52496|Turning On: Thirteen Stories}}), surely not in 1961. So I've updated the year of first publication of Auto-da-Fé as 1967. Let me know if you would disagree (and why).<br />
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As an aside, there seems to be a similar problem with {{t|57077|Semper Fi}}, which seems to have been first published as {{t|187371|Satisfaction}} in 1964-08. The first occurrence of Semper Fi (at least in our DB) is not earlier than 1966-08 (the first edition of {{p|52496|Turning On}} - so seems like Satisfaction is a variant of Semper Fi instead of the other way around. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:28, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: When a story gets more popular under a later title, we use the LATER name as a canonical title. This is the case with Semper Fi so reversing the variant is not needed even if there is a SINGLE publication under a different title before that. Canonical title does not always mean "first title". [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:12, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Sun in Glory: And Other Tales of Valdemar ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4884983 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4884986 this] - are "Sun in Glory" "And Other Tales of Valdemar" exactly the same size on the title page? If not, then the way we have it now is correct - a subtitle is added by adding ":" between it and the title. The only case when your proposed change will be valid is if "and..." is not a subtitle but appears as part of the title itself (same font, same size) on the title page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:35, 17 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's a different font size, but the 'and' is lower case. My feeling is that the font is smaller on the second line because the words wouldn't fit otherwise. I took the subtitle instructions <b>It is sometimes a judgement call as to whether a change of font or a colon indicates a subtitle or just some creative license on the part of the typesetter. If in doubt, take your best guess and document the guess in the publication's notes.</b> as an indication of some leeway allowed in the rule.<br />
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: There's some additional rationale I left on on Marc Kupper's talk page. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:00, 18 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah, I know it is a subjective clause and I saw that we have the rest of the series in a different way. However both [https://www.worldcat.org/title/sun-in-glory-and-other-tales-of-valdemar/oclc/53478242 OCLC] and [https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchCode=LCCN&searchArg=2004596794&searchType=1&permalink=y LCCN] threat is as a subtitle and inject the ":" in there. The lower case is not that unusual - capitalizing the subtitle's first word when it is one of the small words is not the rule in all the style formats... Let me think on that for a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 18 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Horse and His Boy ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, I've accepted your submission, but can you double check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822020 this pub record]'s date, as I suspect that the pub date must be 1976-00-00 (per your notes) iso 1974? Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:49, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:18, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publishers vs Publication series ==<br />
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Hi, why do you want books published as Ace Fantasy to be under a separate publisher '[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?54310 Ace Fantasy Books'], instead of putting those books in the publication series [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1312 'Ace Fantasy']. Is Ace Fantasy Books at a different address than Ace Science fiction, or are they in fact two desks in the same office? Please explain.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:07, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: The same with Tor.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:09, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: For the Ace ones, they are listed as Ace Fantasy Books on the cover, title page, and copyright page. The only address given is for the Berkeley Publishing Group. It is a separate imprint and not a pub series. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: If the same holds true for the four that are now given as pub series we have to enter them likewise, not like the hodge-podge it is now.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:57, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::To complicate matters, there are Ace 'fantasy' books that really seem to be a publication series, in that they say 'Fantasy' on the spine, but not the title page. Tor seems to be more consistent, in that the spine and title page always matches, at least that I've seen. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:28, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: I just noticed the edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4905749] from Dirk that removed the pub series marker. However there is a 'Fantasy' marker on the top of spine (but not the title page). Not sure what the rules are for pub series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publication_Series See our wiki].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:46, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::If there exist fantasy pubs published by Ace Books (and not by Ace Fantasy Books), then I guess that edit should be reversed, and notes added to both the pub and the pub series record to clarify. (And perhaps a note cautioning editors not to delete the pub series)[[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:54, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds like a good idea, explaining in the notes why the book should be in a publication series named 'fantasy' while such is not evident from cover, nor title page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:44, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::It's not clear to me what criteria should be used to decide something is a publication series. It seems obvious with cover markup like <b>Jim Baen Present</b> or <b>Ace Science Fiction Special</b>, but is a single category word like <b>Fantasy</b> on the spine enough? My assumption is that the imprint takes priority over pub series, e.g., publications wouldn't be both in pub series <b>Ace Fantasy</b> and imprint <b>Ace Fantasy Books</b> simultaneously. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:42, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: There is no restriction imposed, so it is possible to have pub series <b>Ace Fantasy</b> and imprint <b>Ace Fantasy Books</b> simultaneously. Whether that is the right choice depends on what's on or in the books, even how the series is perceived, how it is marketed, etc... If there's fantasy on the spine of publications by imprint Ace Fantasy Books, I'd record it as such - and add clarifying notes all over the place :) One advantage of doing so is that you could link fantasy pubs by Ace Books with fantasy pubs by Ace Fantasy Books when using the same pub series name (provided of course these can be considered part of the same publication series, only published by (slightly) different publishers) - it has happened before (for example when a publisher started a series, which later became an imprint of another publisher who took over/merged with the first). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:04, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBN 0-87997-133-9 ==<br />
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Hi, For both the DAW publications [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108641 The Stone That Never Came Down UY1150] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255142 Spawn of Laban UQ1133] you derived the ISBN-10 from the catalog number. Problem is that the ISBN-10 is in both cases 0-87997-133-9...--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:13, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ooops. Accidently used the DAW# instead of the catalog number when generating. Edit submitted. Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:34, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Exiled from Earth ==<br />
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Added cover artist John Mardon for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?786152 this]. Same cover art as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291295 this] edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 03:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:23, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Shatterday ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30186 this] edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:31, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sheri or Sherri? ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?322814] should be by Sheri S. Tepper. Can you check and fix if needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:19, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Fixed. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:36, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Outcasts of Order ==<br />
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Hi Glen, you are the PV for a pb edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828351 Outcasts of Order]. I have been consolidating the names of the three maps used throughout this series. The relevant maps for this book are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?821981 The World (Saga of Recluce) (map)] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2848218 Candar and Recluce (map)]. I would be happy to import them for you. Let me know. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:51, 6 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:26, 6 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Recluse maps ==<br />
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All three maps were set up and the different names were merged. If you are verifying any that do not yet have the maps, go ahead and import them. I thought I got all the through book 20, but, I could have missed one. Just look at the HC for any title you are verifying to see the appropriate map. You will catch on to the naming scheme I used. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:20, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Just looked at some of your latest PV's. You will need to do some importing. If a pub had no PV, Annie asked me to leave it blank. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:29, 9 April 2021 (EDT)d<br />
: I'm unfamiliar with the import process. From the sound of it, it's different than just editing the publication and adding titles, but I'm not sure where to start.<br />
:: Would you like me to do them, or try to explain the procedure.? I will be glad to do either. If you would like me to do them, make sure you have PV all of yours so I can tell which pubs are yours. So far {{p|38180| Death of Chaos}} and {{p|13068| Fall of Angels}} are the only ones missing the maps. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:41, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I've got the imports figured out and am progressing through the series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm glad you are doing it on your own. Be careful, you have imported the wrong map to {{p|249991|Natural Ordermage}}. The second map should be {{t|821981|Hamor (map)}}. If your not sure which are the correct maps, you can look at the three map title pages and you will see which books use each map.[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:12, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: I just noticed a Hamor map, but your link points at 'world'. Was in the process of looking for the proper map. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:14, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Sorry about that! . Watch out for Arms-Commander, just uses one map. [[User Talk: Scifibones|John]] 19:54, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Edit submitted for Natural Ordermage. I noticed the single map at least. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:23, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: So you found this map? {{t|2851224|Hamor(map}}[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yep. Had a problem for a bit, but changed search from 'fiction titles' to 'all titles' and found it then. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:29, 10 April 2021 (EDT<br />
Check which map you imported into "The Mongrel Mage". [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 12:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: It looks ok to me. What issue are you seeing? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:34, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I just looked at my book again to check. The second map should be the "Hamor (map)" not the "Candor and Recluce (map)" . Hit me up anytime John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:45, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I just checked again, and my copy of the book has "Candar and Recluse" as the 2nd map. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Interesting, the publisher printed the wrong one in one of them. I haven't read it yet, so I can't sy which. Lol. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:53, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: I've read them, and the Candar map is correct. Volumes 19-21 are a subseries with the same main character. I'd guess that the HC had the wrong map, and it got fixed for the PB edition. Perhaps we should add some notes. --![[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:04, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll try to get hold of a HC copy of "Mage-Fire War" this week and see if it is corrected there. Then a note will probably be in order. I'll let you know what I find out. [[User Talk:Scifibones| John]] 17:10, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Yes, please, add notes for that weird map changing between formats :) And this is exactly why I am a bit careful before adding maps to editions that someone does not have access to. Thanks for working on these, gentlemen! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:35, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: I went ahead and submitted the following note for "The Mongrel Mage". Tor erroneously included the map of "Hamor" on pages [10]-[11]. The map featuring "Candar and Recluce" is the proper map. This was corrected by the 1st printing of the mass market paperback, verified <a href="http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?674427">Here</a> (only Here will show) . I'm borrowing "Mage-Fire War" tonight, although I expect it is correct since "Outcasts of Order" is correct. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:54, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: I just noticed that you didn't change the publisher to <i>Tor Fantasy</i>. Is the hardcover not marked so on the title page? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:21, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: Nope, still just Tor. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:51, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Just to make sure... there's no little shield with 'Tor Fantasy' over it on the bottom of the title page... My Tor fantasy HCs have such. (in other titles). More fully, I'd expect <br />
::::::::: Just checked Mage-Fire HC look-inside on Amazon and saw just the plain Tor. Oh well, more inconsistencies between formats. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:31, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: I have The Mongrel Mage open in front of me. No shield. "Tor" (over) "Tom Doherty Associates Book" (over) "New York". I worked late today so I am picking up Mage-Fire War at lunch tomorrow. If it shows Tor Fantasy I will surely make the change when I verify it. I promise to post a note here and let you know. I will also double check Outcasts of Order. It's always possible I could have missed it there. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:08, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Outcasts of Order is just Tor. The only 2 I see, in the Recluce series, are the first two books. I posted a note [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Publisher Imprints|Here]] to see how they want me to handle these. I never even paid attention to them, glad you pointed it out. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:08, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Tor® | fantasy | shield with stars on top, mountain below | A Tom Doherty Associates Book | New York <br />
Do you plan on doing the maps for the Imager series? Just started my PV pass there. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:44, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I will at some point, right now I'm making an effort to verify more of my collection. Next time I do one, if pb's are involved, I'll solicit your help. Interested? John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 10:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've started the Imager series with using shared maps in mind. And sure, let me know if you would like help in the future. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:34, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Day of the Dragonstar ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Would you mind checking [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar this discussion]? Thanks1 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:31, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Can you stop by and check something in this one again? We are trying to determine if the German one is a translation of the serial or the book and Christian has questions about the serial. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:23, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Manifold: Time ==<br />
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I'm changing title to conform to standards, removing the series name for {{p|21370|Manifold: Time}}. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:00, 16 April 2021 (EDT) I also removed the cover art title, "Jacket design by David Stevenson from HC"<br />
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: This not attempt to dissuade you from the change, but give some thoughts about why I didn't do this removal while PVing.<br />
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: I'm more likely to keep the series name in the title if it seems to be intrinsically part of the title. So a series subtitle seems less intrinsic than one that comes first with a following colon, like <b>Manifold: Time</b>. And a title like <b>Lucky Starr and the Pirates of the Asteroids</b> I would never attempt the removal upon. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:40, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: The moderators asked me to make this change in all the publications of the trilogy. I was actually arguing in favor of your position. Originally I posted a link to the conversation, but, on second thought, ask Annie directly. She will explain it better than reading through the original back and forth. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:26, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Your_comment_re:_Origin Here's the conversation]. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:04, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== To Clear Away the Shadows ==<br />
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I recently read the book, and I was surprised to find that the book contains all new characters, different from anyone in the preceding 12 books. I asked a question in the help desk wiki about how to know when a new sub-series was starting, and Annie said to leave it for now and put a note into it. So I did. I also asked David Drake what his plans were on his website. We'll see what he says, or what he does. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 10:09, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost in Translation ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking the cover art credit for {{P|20799|Lost in Translation}}? It is common for people to see "Courtney" when the artist's actual name is {{A|Cortney Skinner}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Spelled with a 'u' on the copyright page. (Courtney) --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:19, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions ==<br />
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I picked up a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8713 this] and note that it states gutter codes are printed on page 544. My copy definately has "Book Club Edition" at bottom of front flap and the number 1179 on the rear flap but alas page 544 has no code at all. Is there anywhere else within the book a gutter code might have been printed ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:09, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I have '46I' on the bottom of page 539. In general, start at the end and work your way back 5 or 10 pages. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:55, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. That was very helpful. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:15, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher New Infinities ==<br />
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Hi <br />
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Another user left a [[User talk:Rtrace#Publisher name|note]] on my talk page questioning the difference between the publishers [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?62967 New Infinities Productions / Ace] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?38481 New Infinities / Ace]. I double checked my book and the publisher is credited as "New Infinity Productions, Inc." throughout the book, including the cover and spine logo. You are one of the only two active verifiers who has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42789 a book] by the publisher with the shorter name (and in fact, I have a copy of the same book). While I don't think we need to include "Inc.", I do think the longer name is more appropriate. Do you have any objections if I merge these two publishers taking the longer name? I'm checking with the other active verifier as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:31, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:52, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sporting Chance ==<br />
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I approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325550 Sporting Chance], but I eliminate the [3] pages and put the [24] pages of the excerpt in parens instead. This makes the pagination in the contents clearer, and noone will miss the three pages in between. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:59, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Another map consolidation ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, As a PV of many volumes please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. Hopefully you thought the last one was beneficial. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Victory Conditions ==<br />
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I approved your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273491 Victory Conditions], but one thing you should know. When you enter the Canadian price for a pub use "C$xx.xx", not just "$xx.xx". Canadian and U.S. dollars are not the same. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:49, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Leftovers from the previous version of the notes. I just changed the number line. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:42, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== First Lord's Fury ==<br />
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Added a couple notes and ext id to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293159 First Lord's Fury]. Noticed you called the map "First Lord's Fury (map)" even though it has a title "The Realm of Alera". In fact there are two title records with that name. Do you have an objection to merging your title into "The Realm of Alera (map)" with those? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No objection. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:06, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Turn Coat] ==<br />
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Added pub note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273980 Turn Coat] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
--[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:48, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cuckoo's Egg ==<br />
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I added this note --"Cover painting by Randall Asplund" credited on rear flap, the artwork is signed ©1985 Randy Aspland on back cover-- to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8429 Cuckoo's Egg]. Hope you don't mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:58, 11 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Chanur's Legacy ==<br />
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Adding a couple pub notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6627 Chanur's Legacy] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:50, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Stardrift ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444493 this] is Jack Faragasso. Cover art credit from a signed print of the artwork for sale on the US Amazon site here: https://www.amazon.com/Stardrift-Signed-Fine-Print-Faragasso/dp/B08959P3MQ --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:11, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Proposed Map Consolidation ==<br />
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As a PV of at least one publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?369 Inheritor] or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20011 Precursor] , please take a moment to look at [[User Talk:Scifibones #Foreigner Map Consolidation| Foreigner Map Consolidation]] and leave your comments. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:22, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Submitted edit today [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Winds of the Forelands ==<br />
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I have two questions related to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18321 Winds of the Forelands] series.<br />
# I noticed we have different cover artists credited for the hc and pb versions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27498 Bonds of Vengeance]. The covers look very similar, would you mind double checking?<br />
:: My paperback says "Cover art by Gary Ruddell" on the back cover.<br />
# I am the sole verifier of all the hc editions with one exception, Same for you for the pb editions. I set up a title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?919662 Winds of the Forelands (map)] Do you mind if I merge in the different map titles?<br />
:: They're probably the same between hc and pb, but unless one of us scans and shares somehow, and the other compares, it's just a guess. But in general, merging maps that are identical is fine with me. <br />
I hope I'm not bothering you with all these requests. You have such an impressive library, you always have books included in my proposed merges. I hate having multiple titles for the same artwork. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:37, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No problem with the requests. The map merging wasn't on my radar when I started PVing about almost a year ago. I've been working through the novel/collection section of my library, and I'm up to 'N'. Finish them, then anthologies, and then shared world crud. And then digest magazines. Maybe a couple more years? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:27, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking the artist credit. I'll import the map into "Bonds of Vengeance" while I'm at it. That is the only pb pub that didn't have a map entry. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:23, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:15, 21 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Final Encyclopedia ==<br />
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Added couple pub notes and imported [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?921044 Afterword: The Door into Darkness] into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39770 The Final Encyclopedia]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:12, 25 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chantry Guild ==<br />
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Added a couple design credits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36981 The Chantry Guild]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:23, 25 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part One ==<br />
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Made a pub date change, added some notes and OCLC to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256970 The Belgariad: Part One] You will see another change when I import the map title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:14, 5 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Riftwar Universe ==<br />
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Hi Glen, I have submitted edits for many of the HC's in the Riftwar Universe. You are a PV'er for some of these. Wanted to let you know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:07, 13 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Commune 2000 A.D. / Mack Reynolds ==<br />
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Putting this entry in my messages for multiple commenters...<br />
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While PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210233 Commune 2000 A.D. / Mack Reynolds] I noticed that the cover with '30p' doesn't match mine without.<br />
Do your copies look like the cover in the entry?<br />
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It appears from the edit history that BLongley added the note about 30p and Corgi, but it's not clear to me if he<br />
was referring to the cover image, or his copy of the book.<br />
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I can update the image with a scan of my copy, but wanted to know if appropriate. <br />
(I currently have an edit pending with additional changes).<br />
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--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:26, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:My copy has no '30p'. I'll move my verification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433528 this edition] that was probably entered by Bluesman in 2013 for the same reason. I.m.o. we should change the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210233 Bill Longley's copy] to Bantam / Corgi and the price to £0.30. Unfortunately we can't ask Bill anymore. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:39, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ps, I fixed your link, it didn't work and thanks for noticing this! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:41, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I moved my verification as well. Thanks. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 09:28, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have moved my verification to the original Bantam version as well. Good catch! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:52, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Is someone going to edit the 30p record? Or was that an indirect request for me to do so? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:23, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did since nobody opposed my suggestion. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:52, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The only thing that seems odd with your suggestion is that that's the only book by this 'new' publisher. Is the intent that it should be used for books with Bantam covers with the price overprint? If so, perhaps a note in the publisher indicating so. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:31, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Last 14 ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG -<br />
Could I get you to check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210717 this] publication? Clute/Nicholls, Reginald1 and Worldcat all have the title as "The Last Fourteen". Tuck has it as we do. Given the discrepancy, I wonder if the title page perhaps has the number spelled out. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The title page has it spelled out as <B>THE LAST FOURTEEN</B>. Sorry I missed that when PVing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:49, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I checked my copy and changed the title to conform with the titlepage. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:38, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sandstorm ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5050003 this submission]: We already have an entry for the {{P|314339|first Avon edition}}. This entry looks like a duplicate? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:56, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There appears to be two versions. One with a regular cover as shown, and one with the plastic lens in front of the artwork forming a 3d effect. It's not clear (to me) if they came out concurrently, or at different times. I didn't want to just change the existing one, as the cover doesn't match my copy. Also note that it includes a different excerpt. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:33, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry for the delay. The edit has been approved. I still question whether the original version is correct. It has "Data from Locus1. OCLC notes there is an excerpt from the next book in the series." and no page numbers even though it was verified. That implies the verifier didn't take much care when verifying it, but looking at the pub history, I see they are the ones that added the excerpt. Unfortunately, they have not been active in almost a year so we will have to go with what's there. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:58, 13 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Aymé's Walker-Through-Walls ==<br />
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Hi<br />
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Could I get you to double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216109 this collection]? I am suspicious of the hyphen between "The" and "Walker". Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:55, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: THE | WALKER- | THROUGH- | WALLS | Originally published as | ACROSS PARIS and Other Stories<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:25, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia, Maid of Mars ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 this pub] of Thuvia, Maid of Mars as there are two variations differentiated by the address and the ad at the end. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Monster Men ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 this pub] of ''The Monster Men'' as there are two variations differentiated by the ad at the end. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Moon Maid ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 this pub] of ''The Moon Maid'' as there are two variations differentiated by the publisher address. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Magic Series ==<br />
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Would you mind if I changed the series name "Blood Magic" to "Blood Magic (Cook)" for titles [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1032007 Blood Magic] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?829648 Nights of Sin]? I accidentally added the 7 titles in a newer Blood Magic series to the existing one. Since the older one only has two members, it would be easier to change the series name for just those two titles. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:17, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Not a problem. Although it might make sense to rename the other series to <b>Blood Magic (Kraus/Lawrence)</b> as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:52, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::That does makes sense. I'll do that as well. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:26, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Splitting some Burroughs publications you have verified ==<br />
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Some existing Burroughs publications you have PV'd have two variants that need to be split. You have verified <br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 Monster Men], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 The Moon Maid], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26181 Pirates of Venus], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34557 Tarzan and the Lost Empire] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 Thuvia Maid of Mars]<br />
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Please check [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Holmesd#Changing_Burroughs_Books_.28Poll.29 this poll] to help determine which variant is the existing entry, and which is created. Your participation is appreciated. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:35, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hagberg Flash Gordon credit ==<br />
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You are the only active verifier of several books in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25924 Flash Gordon] series by David Hagberg. All of these have a note that Hagberg is not credited within the book. Do you have any objection if I correct the publication records to reflect that Hagberg is uncredited? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm not sure what you want to do. Is it to change the author from Hagberg to uncredited on the publication records? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:29, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Yes, that's part of it. I would then unmerge the publication from Hadberg's title record and remerge them to the uncredited variant. I did this with the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298218 one] book in the series where there were no active verifiers, if you'd like to see how it would look. Books without an author credit should be entered as uncredited and if we know the actual author's name, as in this case, we make them variants with the author's name in the parent title. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I take it that authors work differently than cover artists then? I've seen any number of publications with cover artist uncredited in/on the book, but filled in from other sources. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:02, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yes. Artists follow different rules. For example we never enter a cover artist as "uncredited". Also it is permissible to credit an artist from a secondary source outside of the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Sure, then go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:28, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::All done. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:29, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Well of Ascension ==<br />
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Why removing the date from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5077693 here]? The note looks like a first printing? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:51, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Never mind - inverted line. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:09, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black|Gold|Red Unicorn - Tanith Lee ==<br />
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The publisher for Black|Gold is 'Tor & Byron Preiss'. My copy of Gold seems like it should really be 'Tor Fantasy & Byron Preiss'. Black|Gold are the only instances of this publisher. Ron, would you check your copies? Taweiss is a PVer for Red which is currently 'Tor'. Conceivably, it should be changed to 'Tor Fantasy', or 'Tor Fantasy & Byron Preiss' as well.<br />
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Black: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36109]<br />
Gold: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15717]<br />
Red: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27659]<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:34, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:My copies of the paperbacks for Black and Gold do have the Tor Fantasy logo. I also have the hardcover of Red, and that is simply Tor. A Byron Preiss Book appears in all copies that I have access to, including those published by Atheneum. I'm fine with the addition of Fantasy to the records discussed. I'm ambivalent about the inclusion of Preiss. Is it a co-publication, imprint, or is he simply the editor? Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:15, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: The fact that 'Byron Preiss' shows up in the Athenium editions makes me feel like its more a contributor credit, rather than a publisher. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:24, 24 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Based on my copy of "Red", "Tor Fantasy" looks right to me. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 18:24, 25 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire Sanctuary ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13650 this] (according to Adam Rowe's 70s Sci-Fi Art postings) is Don Dixon. It's also credited [https://fineartamerica.com/featured/fire-sanctuary-don-dixon.html?product=greeting-card here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:31, 24 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Feghoot LXIX ==<br />
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Hi Glenn<br />
<br />
While importing Feghoots from your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37411 copy] of ''The Compleat Feghoot'', I noticed that Feghoot LXIX appears to be a limerick and I think we should probably change it from a story to a poem. I left a note on the other verifier's page, but they haven't been active in the last month. If you agree, I'll go ahead and make the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:56, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I checked, and I agree. Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:20, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== I, Zombie ==<br />
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I understand that the publisher used all caps on the copyright page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17696 this] but unless you clarify that specifically in the note, it looks like someone is shouting and someone may decide to clear it up. Yes - I know that the quotes mean "from the book as is" in your template but... that is your convention and people may have other ones. So some notes in cases like that are important (even just adding (from the copyright page) after the closing quote will be enough to indicate where this came from). I'd use normal capitalization (and add a note in brackets after it saying that it is in all caps on the copyright page) quite honestly if I were you... but up to you. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:34, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It seems like quotation marks have a fairly well known meaning even outside the conventions I use when entering notes. Not sure how to quote something without actually quoting it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:48, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: For quoting the text - yes. For showing the styling of the text (as opposed to an editor making it all caps so it is more visible on the page as the only thing they want to quote from the book) - not always as clear - we had had editors using all kinds of ways to separate the "from the book verbatim" from the actual notes and all caps, italics and so on had not been unheard of. And your other quote from the same page is not even in quotes (the number line). Leave it as is if you prefer but someone may decide to "fix" it one day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Duchess of Kneedeep ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38924 this] has been identified as Richard Bober. Original canvas with citation [https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1374598 here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:45, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Law of War ==<br />
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Let's talk about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5118810 this one]. How is Henderson involved in this novel? Because the record as it is now is very very confused and needs fixing - but I need to know how Henderson is involved so we do the correct thing. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:31, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Obliquely credited co-author, like the first volume in the series. I've been trying a sequence of edits to make it parallel to Man O'War, but I'm pretty sure I haven't taken the most direct path. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:20, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You are going in the opposite direction from where you need to go. What needs to happen:<br />
::* The ones inside of the publications remain with Shatner only. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5118261 This] should not have been approved because now you need to eject THAT from both books and insert another which makes no sense. Reversing it will mean that only one step remains:<br />
::* Create a parent with Henderson and Shatner. <br />
:: I've reversed the edit and made the needed parent. Here is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2931922 new parent]. I will leave it to you to add a note explaining Henderson's involvement. <br />
:: When crediting for ghost-writing, leave the titles inside of the books on their own (as credited basically), all you need is a parent record with both names on it. That way it will show up on both authors' bibliographies while the title inside of the book will match what is on the publication (which is how the DB is supposed to work). <br />
:: If the ghost writer was not a known author, we would threat it as a pseudonym (the help page even says that - that's when there is some rigmarole to be done with variants) but as Henderson has his own books, that does not work. Thus the double name on a parent to show it on both. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:28, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Should the note go in the title or the publication? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:12, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'd add it on both quite honestly? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:26, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: But if you want one - title level. That will explain to someone finding the variant why we have Henderson in the parent. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:40, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== War of the Worlds: New Millennuim ==<br />
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Hi Glenn,<br />
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Are you sure that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87597 your verified] is called "War of the Worlds: New Millennuim" and not "War of the Worlds: New Millennium" (the last i and u are inverted). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 07:07, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: You caught me. I'd go with 'iu' normally. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:00, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And fixed. The title record, the rest of the pubs and the cover were already fixed earlier today so we are all set. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:03, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Nimrod Hunt ==<br />
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Since you are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125451 submitting] significant changes (page counts, publisher), you need to discuss the changes with the primary verifiers first. As far as I can tell, none of them have been contacted. Please contact them (the active ones, anyway) and have them post here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:45, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Please include your name in request. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:15, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:GlennMcG&curid=192014&action=history History]: Nihonjoe forgot to sign. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:31, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This type of edit seems to be a expansion or refinement of the information already there, rather than a significant change, at least to me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:36, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have checked my copy and the proposed changes match what it contains. That said, it's conceivable that some other verified pubs may be different. For example, the 8 unnumbered pages in the back of this book are mostly promotional material plus an excerpt. Since it's a mass market paperback published in the mid-1980s, it's unlikely that the number of pages will differ from copy to copy, but we have come across very minor differences which were our only clue that we were dealing with two different versions of the book (US/Canada, a cheap reprint, etc.) Experience suggests that it's safer to err on the side of caution :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:09, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent)(after edit conflict - and pulling that separately so the actual request to the PVs edit is more visible) Publisher changes and page number changes are significant changes (unless you are working on a pre-agreed thing like the Tor Fantasy thing where you actually discussed with the PVs early on.). Sometimes it may mean that there are two different books out there that we had not managed to split yet. Sometimes it can lead to a discussion on how to record the publisher in that specific case - there is a thin line sometimes between publisher, pub series inside of a publisher and a publishing line). In all cases not talking to the PVs when there are active ones on the list and when you had not cleared with them the type of changes you are making is considered in bad taste. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:12, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Hmmm. I've made identical (parallel) edits to a fair number of books in the past without issue whiling PVing in the past. There's a trade off on bothering to record additional information vs the effort in doing so. I've done about 10,000 PVs in the last year or so, and have another 5,000 to go. I don't want to annoy folk, but the latency in getting approval tends to be somewhat off-putting. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:38, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Moderators will skip over some of your edits (thus adding a long delay on them) because they are not cleared with the PVs. If you pre-clear with the PVs and mention it in the notes, the approvals will be a lot smoother. It is a community project and the point of the PV program is that someone checked a physical book for the parts of the record that are coming from it. That means that any change in the data they verified kinda invalidates their verification unless they recheck. We cannot do anything for the non-active verifiers. A moderator usually do not have the same book to be able to judge if you are correct or the existing record is correct. So we try to get the active PVs to check.<br />
:: What is the point of a Primary Verification if tomorrow another editor can come and change the Publisher name and the page numbers or any other data coming directly from the book the PV verified? Should we just allow anyone to just change the data without even an attempt for a second person to look at the book? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:47, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Then what is the changed primary verifications notification for? I check every one I receive, mostly as feedback to what I might do better, but also to see if there is a clash with my copy of the book. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:59, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Relatively minor changes - notes, external IDs, formatting, adding a cover based on secondary sources, adding other data from secondary sources - things like that. And even for some of them, some editors will notify (especially for covers). It is a relatively new feature - the traditional way is to notify, preferably gaining support before the edit is done for big changes. Plus post approval, the old data is lost -- unless it was originally added in the last few years (so can be derived from a previous edit that is in the history), the old data is gone as soon as a moderator presses approve. Which means that if we need to revert back, we need to pull from the archived versions of the site which can be a pain.<br />
:: And just to put this into perspective a bit. If a different editor looks at this book tomorrow, verifies it and decides that the Publisher should be "Baen", should that be approved just because they are the latest PV? Then you get a notification, decide to change it back and... what next? An editing war? We are doing all we can to never end up in that situation. <br />
:: If you are now working on the Baen books, write up your thinking for the change as you did for Tor Fantasy changes, post in CS and ping the active PVs for the different books and point them there. Once we have agreement, just point to it in the notes - and we can approve bsed on that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: My thinking was that if I saw a change in the notifications that I didn't agree with, I'd start a discussion at that point. But I've gone in and fixed html typos without such. And I understand the concept of institutional inertia. Not having a deterministic rollback mechanism seems foreign to me, as a software developer, everything is under source control. Any reason why the edit history entries don't contain before and after values? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:23, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Typos do not require a notification on one's page - just add in the moderator notes that you are fixing typos so people know when they look at the edit post-approval and that's it. That's what the PV changes list is for. Noone will ask you to go talk to people about it. So do you propose that we allow any editor to change the data on any book any way they want and then wait for the PVs to complain after the fact?<br />
:::: The history records were never built to be a history - they are just the approved submissions for this ID. As such when the system was built, it was not considered important to keep the old state after approval - it is there during approval and there was no way to search through old submissions unless you page manually through the pages of the Recent Edits or go to the DB directly. So having "old state" was... not really needed much.<br />
:::: Then we linked the Histories on each type of a record a few years back by just listing the old submissions we know of on this ID into a list (and the changed PV books was born the same way). You will notice that the Histories miss the very old edits and they do not list changes that influenced/changed the record but were not on the record itself - so if you change a title via PubEdit, it is in the history of the Publication but not of the history of the Title itself. Now "old state" will be very useful to keep but it was not built that way. Starting to save "old state" is in the development plans somewhere but it is not trivial and there are a lot of things in the plans. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:49, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: By the way, I'm pretty sure we've already had a discussion about the various versions of the Baen publisher. I just can't find it anywhere. This gist of it was I wanted to know which one to use, when, and folks gave their input. I believe that Annie thought that the various versions were unneeded, but didn't go so far as to suggest merging them. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:32, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I would not be surprised if that had been discussed. Baen's splitting in the DB is such a mess that we either need to figure out how to split them properly or drop the pretense that we are splitting it. However - a decision for getting them merged was not taken, neither we have a workable plan to fix the whole thing I believe. It is probably on an archived page in CS or Help Desk - will look for it later. But I don't recall a decision that indeed the books are updated based on specific text somewhere (aka - what credit makes it into that publisher). Neither would any moderator be expected to remember - if there is agreement, the editor should mention so in the moderator notes technically. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Baen_vs_Baen_Books_publishers The Baen discussion]. It was for Baen vs Baen Books. You are sending books out from one of these into a third player here, splintering the publisher even more. (which may or may not be fine but is essentially one editor's decision on how to record). And none of the PVs had been called in to chime in in that Help discussion or any plan had been voiced on how we differenciate. The discussion led no decision so the usual rules apply - PVs are to be consulted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:48, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: If I had to reverse engineer the rules...<br />
:: Unless the title page has some version of "Baen|Books" in a squashed hexagon logo, use <b>Baen</b><br />
:: Two versions use the hexagon, one with "Baen|Books", and one with "Baen|Science Fiction|Books". The <b>Science Fiction</b> is a smaller font and kind of jammed between the <b>Baen</b> and <b>Books</b>. Both publishers were in use before I got involved. <br />
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:: When I asked about this earlier, I hadn't run across the SF version yet. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:05, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I am not arguing about what the publisher should be on this book - from what I saw above, one of the PVs agreed with you. We will give everyone a bit of time to see if someone else will voice an opinion. Neither we are really discussing the mess that is Baen/Baen Books. <br />
::: What we were discussing is why PVs need to be consulted and why we cannot just approve and let them disagree if they want later. There was no question on your data or update - the request to you was to discuss with the rest of the people that have the book and can check and offer an opinion/agreement as per ISFDB's established policy. The first editor/PV of a book has some leeway on how to interpret data, especially when they are working with a newish publisher for the DB (not anymore but this is an old record so it was). The second one by necessity need to find agreement. Collaborative projects need to work based on agreements and not based on "last editor in the door makes up the rules and everyone else must react after their updates". That's the crux of the issue here. Yes, it slows things down. But otherwise it is not fair to the people before that. <br />
::: I'd propose for you to start a new thread on the Help page to try to hash out the Baen situation if you are interested in actually helping solve it and untangle it -- invite the active PVs with books and let's see if we can clear the tangle of them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:32, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent)I pulled out my copy of the book and read all this. The page number edit is correct. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Page help text] allows both, but the square bracket notation is preferred. As for the publisher, front cover and copyright page have "Baen Books", spine and titlepage have "Baen Science Fiction Books". i.m.o. Baen, Baen Books and Baen Science Fiction Books should all be merged into Baen Books, so I have no problem with this change.<br />
There's one other thing, my copy has no Canadian price mentioned, I think the Canada note is a leftover from the time we had no separate records for Canadian editions and should be removed. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:59, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(Post moved to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Help:Screen:NewPub_Publisher])<br />
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== Dafydd ab Hugh's "Heroing (excerpt)" triplication ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Idly clicking through the birthday authors on the home page, I notice there are 3 separate entries for "Heroing (excerpt)" in various Baen pubs from other authors. All have verifiers, but you're the only one who seems to be currently active at the moment. Are you able to check if these are all the same content, and thus should be merged? The pubs in question are:<br />
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* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36658 The Burning Realm - Michael Reeves]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38525 The Dog and the Wolf - Karen & Poul Anderson]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?651616 Angels in Hell - ed. Janet Morris] - you haven't PVed this one, but I imagine if the above two are the same, then this one will be as well.<br />
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I'm sure these all will be the same, but it seems best to check first before merging them. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 07:47, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I actually have all three, but haven't gotten to the last one yet. I've checked, and appear identical. All 3 pages long, beginning and end of each page the same. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:55, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5128037 merge submitted] [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:46, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cryoburn notes changes ==<br />
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CD-ROM info added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?330962 Cryoburn] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:21, 14 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Acacia ==<br />
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Changes to record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259276 Acacia]: Changed date to exact date. Updated the page count. Added notes. Added regular title for the included map. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5156074 Pending submission here] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:30, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Knight of the Red Beard ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293780 The Knight of the Red Beard]. From personal copy. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:03, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Unicorn & Dragon ==<br />
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I added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52800 Unicorn & Dragon] prior to doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:10, 6 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Chantry Guild ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36981 The Chantry Guild] before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:03, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Way of the Pilgrim ==<br />
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Added notes and LCCN to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54009 Way of the Pilgrim] prior to doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Final Encyclopedia ==<br />
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Added notes, fixed page count to include unnumbered pages, added new regular title for the map to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39770 The Final Encyclopedia] based on owned copy. Will PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:38, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part Two ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201601 The Belgariad: Part Two], I discovered a missing map on unnumbered page [2]. Any problem if I add it, adjust the page numbers, and add notes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:03, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part One ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256970 The Belgariad: Part One], I discovered a missing frontispiece map. Any problem if I add it and add a note about the gutter code in my copy? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:20, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with both. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:38, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Krondor: The Betrayal ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19718 Krondor: The Betrayal], I noticed that the "Author's Afterword" on page 374 is missing. Any problem with my adding it? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:01, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:49, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Kingdom Besieged ==<br />
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Added notes and endpaper map title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340570 A Kingdom Besieged] before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:59, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Instrument of Fate ==<br />
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Could you please double check the Canadian price on {{P|18319|Instrument of Fate}}? I believe it should be C$7.99 vs. C$9.99. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:12, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: You're right. C$7.99 --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:53, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Fall of Moondust ==<br />
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On verifying my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253572 this pub], I noticed a statement on the backcover saying "Cover photograph by L. Krause Printed in USA". I would like to add the credit and change the note. Can you check your copy? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:42, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has it as well. Fine by me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:14, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! and done. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:59, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Bishop's Heir ==<br />
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There are three missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36002 The Bishop's Heir]. Would you mind if I add them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:11, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:18, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King Kelson's Bride and Saint Camber ==<br />
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There are two missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19475 King Kelson's Bride]. There are five missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256269 Saint Camber]. Would you mind if I add them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:48, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Harrowing of Gwynedd ==<br />
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Would you mind if I add the missing Appendix titles to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41302 The Harrowing of Gwynedd]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:26, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with this, or other similar requests. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:46, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Do you still want me to post similar requests? There are likely to be a bunch more. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:37, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Not needed. My tradeoffs for doing PVs considered this type of material part of the main work, rather than needing separate entry. But mostly because I've been grinding through my ~15,000 books, and I wanted to finish some day.<br />
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:::I check 'My Changed Primary Verifications' regularly and in the unlikely case that I disagree strongly I'll bring up an issue then. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:22, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Forge of God / multiple covers ==<br />
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I invite your comment on [[User_talk:Fjh#One_printing.2C_multiple_covers|this discussion]]. Thank you. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 12:28, 7 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Revenants ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|46134|The Revenants}}: If the cover artist credit is "Kinuku Craft", then that is how the cover art should be entered. Can you please confirm and either update or I can if you wish? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Seed ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5191804 this submission] on hold. Please check with Kraang and Willem H. The prior notes have "Stated 1st printing of 1968 Ballantine ed." If that is correct (as opposed to being a reference to the "First Edition: January 1968") and yours does not, then you have a reprint. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:41, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:This edit can be approved. The statement in the notes is incorrect, and should be "First Edition: January 1968". Glenn, thanks for spotting this. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:40, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved, thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:24, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Madness in Solidar ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557105 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:21, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Asimov / Fantastic Voyage II: Destination Brain==<br />
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I am editing and PVing {{P|459023|Fantastic Voyage II: Destination Brain}} and will add notes and cover. No changes or deletions to anything you have entered. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:33, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Runelords ==<br />
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Would you mind checking your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46404 this] to see if the title page shows "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men" instead of just "The Runelords". If it does, please change the title to "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men". Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:51, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry to nag, but all of the other pubs have "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men" as their title. I see you changed the title to just "The Sum of All Men" likely thinking that "The Runelords: is a series name and shouldn't be included. Been there; tried that. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#The_Runelords this thread] on my Talk page, you can see how I ended up making the change to "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men". Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:01, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The discussion there doesn't really seem to explain why the rules shouldn't be followed. Perhaps in all the Deleted sections. But there is some value to consistently not following rules. I'll submit an edit, rather than dive down the rabbit hole. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:10, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadowkeep ==<br />
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Added the cover artist to the Alan Dean Foster [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29953 publication] and updated Note to indicate source (German edition). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:50, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Written in Time ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327535 Written in Time], do you mind if I add the title for the "Afterword" on pages 643-644 before I add notes and PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:29, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:41, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Updating Amazon images ==<br />
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Per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Amazon-hosted_cover_scans this] Community Portal discussion: I've updated the images for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?198953 The Last Starfighter], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44491 The Naked God: Flight] (poor image, can you do better?), [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259547 Children of the Serpent Gate]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:06, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I don't see updates for the images for these books. Are the edits still pending? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:31, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The first was accepted about 7 minutes after you posted your message. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:06, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Odd, I couldn't see them for few days, even with forcing reloads. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:07, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I've uploaded images for 1 and 3 (full bantam logo). No joy on #2. I have a damaged cover, and this type of metallic ink is just impossible to scan well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:04, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I got my light box out and tried a natural light photo. Not perfect, but better. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:44, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== "The Weapon Shop" vs. "The Weapons Shop" by A. E. van Vogt ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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You are listed as the most recent Primary Verifier for the 1946 edition of Healy & McComas's "Adventures in Time and Space", a great anthology, and one that helped introduce me to a lot of great SF from that era. (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825)<br />
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As far as I can tell, the 1946 edition had the first reprint of "The Weapon Shop" by A. E. van Vogt (originally in Astounding, December 1942, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57432).<br />
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ISFDB notes that the 1946 edition had the story as "The Weapons Shop", a variant on the original published title. <br />
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I am curious about whether anything is known about this change in title, and would also like to confirm that the 1946 Healy & McComas is the first place the new title showed up.<br />
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I have done a bit of searching online on this question, but I have not yet found a definitive answer on which title van Vogt preferred. Both titles have been used throughout it's extensive reprint history.<br />
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I checked, and I have the 1957 edition. That definitely shows the new title, "The Weapons Shop".<br />
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I would appreciate it if you could check your 1946 copy and tell me what title for this showed up in the 1946 TOC, on the story in the body of the book, and also in the copyrights/acknowledgements and anywhere else.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:51, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: "The Weapons Shop" is used in acknowledgements, TOC, and story title page in my 1946 copy. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:38, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for that information. So far as I can tell, this was the first appearance of that version of the title.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:07, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Robots and Empire - Amazon Image==<br />
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I have replaced the unstable Amazon image for {{P|28372|Robots and Empire}} with a scan of my copy. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:03, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Godmakers ==<br />
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I added month to this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?225397, based on note in this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40719. I also added month to this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41184, based on note in this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41185. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:47, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Irons in the Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303530 Irons in the Fire]: Would you mind if I add the titles for the maps on page 10-11 and the essay on page 617 before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:24, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:28, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King Maker ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
I'm replacing the Amazon image for Broaddus' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?324973 King Maker]''. The [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KwgbKqyeL.jpg Amazon image] had the Braunbeck blurb on the left side of the cover. Please let me know if your copy disagrees and I can put it back and split the publications. I realize that I've only got a transient verification, but I'm going through the boxes of books to be donated or sold and this was one that I still had. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:16, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Your image matches my cover. I've also uploaded my scan which seems to match the color values of my copy better, mostly so you can check and see if it's a scan issue, or there is that much variability in print quality. I've already reverted to your image, but I'm curious what you think. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:27, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: And now that's actually they're on the isfdb site, they look less different than I thought earlier. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:31, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::It doesn't really matter to me which scan we use, but I've gone ahead and deleted the two older ones. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Jade Warrior ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5214311 this submission] which I'm holding. While it matches the cover, since you have primary verified it and are active, please validate that it is correct. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:57, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The price is correct, although I would have preferred the note addition to be added to the html list. Price is also on the spine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:23, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::I approved the edit and fixed the formatting. The note isn't really required. I will leave it to you if you want to remove or add info about spine. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:55, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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Whenever I enter info for someone else's record that's missing the price I add a note about where it is because certain moderators used to whine whenever I'd add something and not say exactly where it was in the book. Whenever I enter a new record for a book I don't usually specify. I used to mimic that bullet point style until I realized it's just a waste of space and just enter notes now without the dots. Also, I'm curious why the price for this book wasn't entered in the first place; usually this happens because it's too small/scratchy and can't be read until I manage to decipher it, but in this case it's big and clear. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:There is a difference when working from the book itself and when working from secondary sources, pictures, scans, etc. For the latter, you need to specify the source. In this particular case, the data is from the book, but you don't have the book. You could have put the information in the moderator note instead of the pub note. That would have let the approving moderator & the verifier know why you were editing a verified record. As for the formatting, it makes a much cleaner and easier to read record when all the notes use the same format. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:35, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't notice the price was missing when I added the cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:02, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Beyond Eden ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4309<br />
<br />
Would this be enough to edit the publication date to the more precise: 1955-04-21?<br><br />
Review copy note found inside pb edition: [https://upload.vaa.red/23krPp#5491ba8dce3f0645cd8b91913d61495e]<br><br />
It mentions both the pb and the hc edition. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 07:17, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Seem fine, as long as the source is noted. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:05, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Pharaoh Contract ==<br />
<br />
Would you mind looking at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39118 The Pharaoh Contract] and verifying that you also have the number line: 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and the Canadian price C$5.50? I want to add those notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:18, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I have "RAD 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1". C$ ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:01, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Hidden Queen & Changer of Days ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?67971 The Hidden Queen], I'd like to make the following changes before doing a PV:<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+389<br />
<br>Add title for the map on page [8]<br />
<br>Add title for the Glossary on page 379<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?69820 Changer of Days], I'd like to make the following changes before doing a PV:<br />
<br>Add title for the map on page [vi]<br />
<br>Add title for the Glossary on page 326<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:49, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:00, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fane ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278887 Fane], would you object if I added the following before I PV?<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+311<br />
<br>Add "First Timescape Books printing August, 1981" and the printer's key<br />
<br>Add essay title "Racial/Political Groupings on the Planet Fane" for page [7]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:04, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Go ahead. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:58, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Split Infinity and Out of Phaze ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?203137 Split Infinity]: Do you mind if I change the page count to [8]+356 and add the missing maps title before I PV? <br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25321 Out of Phaze]: Do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+309 before I add notes and PV?<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:08, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:39, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Hobbit, or There and Back Again ==<br />
<br />
Hello Glenn, <br />
<br />
Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?881523 this one]. Either you have a later printing (so you cannot use the 0997 from the dustjacket for the date) or it cannot have the ISBN13 printed and we need the ISBN10 instead - this is about a decade too early for ISBN13. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:31, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Missed that during the clone. I've submitted an edit with that change, and the cover image I wrangled together. The cover image I did a few days ago, but my normal process got muddled waiting for input. Metallic foil is such a joy do deal with, much less stitching multiple scans together for the complete image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:46, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Approved. And yeah - metallic foil looks nice... until you try to scan it. Thanks for fixing it! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:03, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora's Legions ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25580 Pandora's Legions], do you mind if I add the notes "First printing: February 2002" and "Cover art by Patrick Turner"? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:22, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. I'd also add 'no number line' as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:32, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Twilight's Kingdoms ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52579 Twilight's Kingdoms], do you mind if I:<br />
<br>Add maps title.<br />
<br>Add "First printing, November 1987" and no number line comment.<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+376<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:48, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with this type of edit. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== A Cold Wind from Orion ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371 A Cold Wind from Orion], do you mind if I add notes "First Edition: September 1980", No printer's key., and "Cover art by Atila Hega"? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:41, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Go ahead. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cabal ==<br />
<br />
I added cover art credit to {{P|5865|The Cabal}} https://comicvine.gamespot.com/666-mark-of-the-beast-17/4000-248267/ is an example [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 22:30, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Project: Maldon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26805 Project: Maldon], is it OK for me to add the following notes before I PV?<br />
<br>"First printing, June 1997"<br />
<br>No printer's key.<br />
<br>"Cover art by Garry Ruddell" on the copyright page.<br />
<br>C$7.99 in Canada.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:31, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Radix ==<br />
<br />
As there are no notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27260 Radix], I would like to add the following ones before I PV:<br />
<br>"Bantam Spectra edition / October 1985"<br />
<br>First printing per printer's key: O 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1<br />
<br>Cover artist credited in the "Acknowlegements" and per "Cover copyright © 1985 by Fred Marcellino" on the copyright page.<br />
<br>Map artist credited in the "Acknowlegements".<br />
<br>C$4.50 in Canada.<br />
<br><br />
<br>In addition:<br />
<br>Change page count to [12]+466<br />
<br>Add map title on page [12]<br />
<br>Add title "Appendix (Radix)" on page 449<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: In general, I have no problem with adding information. Clashes we can work out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:28, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Skull Gate ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30717 Skull Gate], do you mind if I add the map on page 7 and some notes before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:25, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Canby's Legion ==<br />
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Based on the title page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6039 Canby's Legion], I think the publisher should be "Aspect / Warner Books" not just "Warner Books" since Aspect is on the title page as well as Warner Books. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I agree. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Devil and Deep Space Re: Wrong cover artist created ==<br />
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Hi. I have a sub on hold that shows the wrong artist is created on the copyright page. See mod note[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5231688]. If you follow the link to Matt Stawicki web page the image is signed below the knee. The cover image we have it is cut off above that point so it doesn't show. If there's no objection I'll change the credit with a note or you can. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine either way. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:28, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Cover artist update complete.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 17:08, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Tomorrow and Tomorrow ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279225; I added month from Archive.org copy of 1965 edition's copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Yaril’s Children ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55659 Yaril’s Children], I want to make the following changes before I PV:<br />
<br>Change page count to [10]+277<br />
<br>Add map title on page [10].<br />
<br>Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:16, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
Sure. When adding the meta [10], I'd make sure that it sequences (using the | syntax) before the story start. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:13, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / Small Favor==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254432 Small Favor]. I will add pub notes and the Author's Note to the Contents. No changes to the existing information. I will add the Author's Note (where applicable) to all succeeding 1st ed hc's of the Dresden Files series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 11:50, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shroud of Shadow ==<br />
<br />
I added cover art credit to {{P|3037|Shroud of Shadow}} by Gael Baudino [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:54, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Children of Anthi and The Omcri Matrix ==<br />
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Would you please look at the changes I'm proposing with these submissions for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242631 The Children of Anthi] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242633 The Omcri Matrix]. In particular, please see if your copy shows a "Stated 1st printing" line on the copyright page of each one. My copies do not. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:33, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
Ping [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:05, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I'd say "Printing not stated, no number line, assumed first printing" for each, and change their publishers to "Ace Science Fiction Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:48, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / Brief Cases==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?661863 Brief Cases]. Will add Canadian price. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:48, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Link to: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction==<br />
<br />
Incidentally, while I'm here, you might be interested in this topic: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Series_Number_of_Dresden_Files_short_fiction Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:48, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Girl from the Emeraline Island ==<br />
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Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40611 The Girl from the Emeraline Island] show "First Edition: May 1984" and no number line on the copyright page? I want to replace the "1st printing" note with those notes, plus add the map title on page [9] and change the page count to [10]+274 before I PV. Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: I agree. I've taken to using something like: "Printing not stated, no number line, assumed first printing". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:03, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Boyer book changes ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217289 The Sword and the Satchel], if it's OK with you I'd like to replace "1st printing" with "First Edition: May 1980" and "No printer's key or printing statement so first printing assumed". I'd also like to change the page count to [6]+312.<br />
<br />
: Sure. While checking, I decided to refresh the cover image with a better scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:24, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217293 The Thrall and the Dragon's Heart], if it's OK with you I'd like to replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: September 1982" and "No printer's key or printing statement so first printing assumed". I'd also like to change the page count to [8]+294.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:31, 28 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:24, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Sword of Chaos ==<br />
<br />
Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34054 Sword of Chaos] and see if the title page actually reads "Sword of Chaos and Other Stories"? My first edition/first printing has that. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:51, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Subtitle present. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Patricia Bray changes ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?144371 Devlin's Honor] would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+390+[18] and add the map title on page [7]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?65483 Devlin's Justice] would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+388 and add the map title on page [9]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?144361 The First Betrayal] would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+342+[18] and add the map title on page [7]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:21, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:34, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Marie Brennan titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82324 Doppelganger], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+422 and add the map on page [9]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88073 Warrior and Witch], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+448 and add the map on page [7]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: That's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Brokedown Palace ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5548 Brokedown Palace], do you mind if I add "Ace Fantasy edition/January 1986" and "No printer's key" notes to this pub before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:08, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sure. I'd also change the publisher to "Ace Fantasy Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:43, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Serpent and the Rose ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?222521 The Serpent and the Rose], would you mind if I add the map on [6] and change the page count to [6]+296? I'll also need to change the cover artist to just Donato then variant. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:52, 6 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sure. I'd also change the publisher to 'Tor Fantasy'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:08, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Empire Stone ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39155 The Empire Stone], would you mind if I add the map on page [8] and change the page count to [10]+413? I'll also replace the Amazon cover and add notes. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:01, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:07, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Master of Hawks ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21619 Master of Hawks], do you mind if I add "First printing—July 1979" and "No printer's key" notes? 08:53, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:21, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Furies of Calderon ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70031 Furies of Calderon] do you mind if I change the page count to 594 and add the excerpt title on page 592? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:02, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: My copy has 504 pages, and no excerpt. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:23, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I mistyped. Mine has 504 with the "Academ's Fury" excerpt on pages 503-504. What's on your pages 503-504? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:32, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::: Somehow the excerptness was invisible. Mine matches your suggestion (with the page # change). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:47, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Figures of Earth ==<br />
<br />
Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13511 Figures of Earth] and see if the title of the essay on page xxv is actually "A Foreword"? Does page xxiii show "A Foreword" with a Latin quote and a dedication to Sinclair Lewis instead of the title "A Preface" as shown in the current pub record? That's how my copy reads. I believe the same title problem likely exists in the unPVed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436624 Canadian pub] that shares the same catalog ID. I propose to edit the "Preface" title record used only by those two pubs and then merge it with the correct title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?738153 sic]. <br />
<br />
: My copy has "A Forward" with the Latin quote. <br />
::Page xxiii has "A Foreword" over "<i>Amoto quaeramus seria ludo</i>" over "To" over "Sinclair Lewis". Page xxv has simply "A Foreward" and that's what I would replace. Sorry for the confusion and my typing. Rtrace matches this and suggests that I do an advanced search merge rather than change the title record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:44, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:49, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
I also want to add notes "First U.S. Printing: November, 1969", "No printer's key.", and "Ballentine Books edition printed from the <i>Storisende Edition</i>". Then I'll PV. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:14, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Printing change fine. Ballentine should be Ballantine. <br />
<br />
: PV ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:32, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10569 Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon] do you mind if I replace "Stated first printing" with "First Printing: March, 1972" and "No printer's key"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:27, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:33, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Zoboa ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262859 Zoboa], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+430 and add the title for the unsigned maps on pages [6]-[8] before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:42, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Ok. I'd consider changing the publisher to "Baen Science Fiction Books" per the title page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:34, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Exit Earth ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12793 Exit Earth], would you mind if I replace the note "First printing" with notes "First printing, April 1987" and "No printer's key" before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Printing change ok. Publisher -> "Baen Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:39, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Saturnalia ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28940 Saturnalia], would you mind if I replaced "Stated 1st printing." with "First printing, January 1986" and "No printer's key."? I'll also replace the flagged Amazon image with a scanned one. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:33, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 04:38, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Trudi Canavan titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43631 The Magicians' Guild], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+370 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The Magicians’ Guild)" on pg 366, and "Glossary (The Magicians’ Guild)" on pg 368?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44760 The Novice], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+465 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The Novice)" on pg 461, and "Glossary (The Novice)" on pg 463?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41508 The High Lord], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+531 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The High Lord)" on pg 527, and "Glossary (The High Lord)" on pg 529?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80892 Priestess of the White], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+598 and add titles for the map on [8], "Glossary (Priestess of the White)" on pg 590, and "Last of the Wilds (excerpt)" on pg 593?<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:54, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sure. Note that I've submitted edits for cover updates for all of these. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 05:02, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Dark Lord of Pengersick ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37932 The Dark Lord of Pengersick], do you mind if I change the page count to [4]+169, add the map title on page [2], add the title "Glossary of People, Places, and Things (The Dark Lord of Pengersick) on page 169, and change the publisher to Ace Fantasy Books? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:29, 12 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: That's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:00, 12 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Down to a Sunless Sea ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10771 Down to a Sunless Sea], would you mind if I add the title "Author's Note (Down to a Sunless Sea)" on page 173? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:50, 13 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:25, 14 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Exiles at the Well of Souls ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146081 Exiles at the Well of Souls], do you mind if I change the page count to xii+337, add title "About Time ..." on pg [xii], and import missing titles:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232675 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg ix<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232676 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg x<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232677 Appendix: Races Referred to in Exiles at the Well of Souls] on pg 331<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?787725 About the Author (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg 337<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 15 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Quest for the Well of Souls ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146101 Quest for the Well of Souls], would you mind if I change the page count to xii+302+[1], add title "About the Author (Quest for the Well of Souls) on page [303], and import the following missing titles?<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232679 The Wars of the Well, Part II (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg ix<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776798 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg x<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776797 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg xii<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776795 Appendix I: Races of the Southern Hemisphere (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg 293<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776796 Appendix II: Races of the Northern Hemisphere (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg 300<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:13, 15 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Return of Nathan Brazil ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220113 The Return of Nathan Brazil], do you mind if I change the page count to ix+289+[2], add title "About the Author (The Return of Nathan Brazil)" on page [291], and add missing title:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776800 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (The Return of Nathan Brazil)] on page viii<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:45, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:48, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Twilight at the Well of Souls ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?237673 Twilight at the Well of Souls: The Legacy of Nathan Brazil], do you mind if I change the page count to x+304+[1] and import missing title:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776800 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (The Return of Nathan Brazil)] on page viii<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:54, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:49, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Jack Chalker: Four Lords of the Diamond ==<br />
<br />
In the Four Lords of the Diamond series, I would like to make the following changes:<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278886 Lilith: A Snake in the Grass], change the page count to vi+248 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [vi].<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283363 Cerberus: A Wolf in the Fold], change the page count to [8]+243 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [viii].<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?140701 Charon: A Dragon at the Gate], change the page count to [8]+289 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [viii].<br />
<br><br />
<br>Would that be OK? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:33, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== War of the Maelstrom ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53739 War of the Maelstrom], do you mind if I change the page count to viii+360 and add title "Prefatory Note (War of the Maelstrom)" on page vii? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:50, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:11, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Kelly Country ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19364 Kelly Country], do you mind if I add title "Afterword to U.S. Edition" on page 347 and change "1st printing" to "First printing per printer's key: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9" plus add "First DAW Printing, August 1985"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:19, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Red Moon and Black Mountain ==<br />
<br />
Would you look at this multi-part change proposal [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Red_Moon_and_Black_Mountain here] on Rtrace's talk page and see if you have any objections? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:36, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm ok with the final results. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Blue Hawk ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231189 The Blue Hawk], would you mind if I replace the inaccurate note "Stated 1st printing" with notes "First Ballantine Books Edition: August 1977" and "No printer's key or printing statement."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:27, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Prison Planet ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26715 Prison Planet], would you mind if I change "Stated 1st printing, full number line" to two notes: "Ace edition/March 1989" and "First printing by full number line."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:08, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:10, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Six of Swords ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30647 Six of Swords], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+276 and import the map title on page [7]? I'll also add a scanned cover and a couple of other notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:21, 25 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:13, 25 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Keepers of Edanvant ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19343 Keepers of Edanvant], I'd like to make the following changes before PVing:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [6]+346<br />
<br>2. Change the title for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1389038 map] from "Keepers of Edanvant (frontispiece)" to "Keepers of Edanvant (map)". It's definitely not a frontispiece.<br />
<br>3. Change the map page from bp to [6]<br />
<br>4. Add note "Both the title page and the cover show "Sword & Circlet 1" but this is the third book in the Sword & Circlet series."<br />
<br>5. Add notes for the cover artist and map artist.<br />
<br>Thanks!! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:39, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br><br />
<br>I know I've been sending you a lot and I really appreciate your quick response but did you see this post and the next two as well? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 19:02, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok with changes. I'll add a better cover scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:14, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Semper Mars ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29576 Semper Mars], would you mind if I changed the page count to [6]+376 and add the uncredited map on page [6]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:52, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:23, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Warlord of Ghandor ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53851 Warlord of Ghandor], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add a title for the frontispiece art on pg [2]<br />
<br>2. Change "First Printing" to "FIRST PRINTING, AUGUST 1977" and "First printing per printer's key: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9"<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:25, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. Just uploaded a new cover scan that's a bit better. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:28, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Spellkey Trilogy ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194797 The Spellkey Trilogy], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+630 and add title "Author's Note (The Spellkey Trilogy)" on page [5]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:45, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:23, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Paula E. Downing titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28221 Rinn's Star], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st edition." with "First Edition: December 1990" and "No printer's key or printing statement."<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13906 Flare Star], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: April 1992" and "No printer's key or printing statement.", change the page count to [6]+249, and add the map on page [5]?<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:35, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok for both. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:24, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Vettius and His Friends ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53294 Vettius and His Friends], would you mind if I change the page count to 304+[8] and add missing title "Men Hunting Things (excerpt)" on page [309] before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:39, 28 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: No problem in general, but note that that excerpt has been labeled [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2903233 It's a Lot Like War (Men Hunting Things excerpt)] in other Baen publications. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:18, 29 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Oh, and I've submitted an edit that improves the cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:19, 29 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Year of the Ransom in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80820 Time Patrol] ==<br />
<br />
Hi! Depending on the outcome of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Poul_Anderson.27s_The_Year_of_the_Ransom this thread] it seems that this fiction text is really a novella. So, don't be surprised that the OMNIBUS may have to be turned into a COLLECTION. Though I guess that ought to be done anyway? (Typically an OMNIBUS should have at least two booklength content titles, as was communicated quite recently). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:35, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Dave Duncan titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21088 Magic Casement], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+307 and add title "Magic Casement (maps)" by uncredited on page [11]? <br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12999 Faery Lands Forlorn], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+335 and add title "Faery Lands Forlorn (maps)" by uncredited on page [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29786 Shadow], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: November 1987" and "No printer's key or printing statement"<br />
<br>2. Change the page count to [10]+276<br />
<br>3. Add title "Shadow (map)" on page [9]<br />
<br>4. Add title "Glossary (Shadow)" on page 273<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:19, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: All ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:46, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Queen of Sorcery ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228825 Queen of Sorcery], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+327 and import the missing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1396496 map title] on page [6]? I'll also add a scanned cover and several notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:45, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:20, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Warslayer ==<br />
<br />
I propose making multiple changes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49663 The Warslayer]: <br />
<br>1. Title<br />
<br>. 1a. Change the pub title to "The Warslayer: The Incredibly True Adventures of Vixen the Slayer, The Beginning" to match the the title page and the WorldCat entries. The existing short form doesn't comply with the instructions in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles this help].<br />
<br>. 1b. Remove the note starting with "Subtitled".<br />
<br>. 1c. Unmerge the 'long' pub title from the existing title then make the existing title a variant of the 'long' title since it is the earliest pub.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>2. Change page count to 312 to match the book.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>3. Essay<br />
<br>. 3a. Remove essay title "God’s Teeth! The Making of a Cult Phenomenon" and delete the associated title record. I don't think this is an actual piece written by Greg Cox since there is no copyright for it on the copyright page and it doesn't show in his bibliography on his website.<br />
<br>. 3b. Add note "Pages 1-5 of the book are a fictional essay titled "God’s Teeth! The Making of a Cult Phenomenon" purportedly by Greg Cox."<br />
<br><br />
: I just consider it part of the book. The page says "by Greg Cox", and I don't have a good reason to not believe it.<br />
<br>4. Replace the Amazon cover with this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/4c/THWRSLYR2002.jpg scanned cover] that I already uploaded.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>5. Add notes:<br />
<br>"The title on the cover is "The Warslayer" [over] "An Incredibly True Adventure of Vixen the Slayer".<br />
<br>"Pages 288-312 are a fictional episode guide titled "VIXEN THE SLAYER: The Episode Guide (Season One)"".<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:46, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: As above. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:19, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sword of Shannara ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glenn -<br />
<br />
I'm going to add individual interior art items for each of the illustrations for Terry Brooks' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159571 The Sword of Shannara]''. I'm going to do individual records as some of them have been reprinted and I'd like to make the variant relationships. I'll also try to find a cover scan. I'd scan mine, but there are flaws. Please let me know if you have any objections to this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My cover isn't any better. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:14, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Year of the Warrior ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glen, you still need an entry in the content field of the title record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?26876 here]. In this case, 2N. Here is the relevant [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Content help] page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:45, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: I think I'll add the series name given on the title pages of the individual novels in <b>The Year of the Warrior</b>. (<b>Saga of Erling Skjalgsson</b>) and mark the contents "1,2". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:10, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Eldrie the Healer ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35544 Eldrie the Healer], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+237 and add map title "Eldrie the Healer (map)" by uncredited on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:07, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Missing responses ==<br />
<br />
I suspect you missed seeing these three posts from March 26. I'd rather have your approvals/comments than go through the no response Mod Board procedure.<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Keepers_of_Edanvant Keepers of Edanvant]<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Semper_Mars Semper Mars]<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Warlord_of_Ghandor Warlord of Ghandor]<br />
<br />
[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:54, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: You're right, I missed them. Answered at original entries. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:29, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:16, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Art of the Sword ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35357 The Art of the Sword], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>Change the page count to [10]+262<br />
<br>Add essay title "Cast of Characters (The Art of the Sword)" on page [6]<br />
<br>Add map "The Art of the Sword (map) on page [8]<br />
<br>I'll also add some notes and replace the Amazon cover with a scanned cover.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:07, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Mountains & Madness ==<br />
<br />
I'm confused by the inclusion of E. J. Cherhavy as a co-author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555 Mountains & Madness]. He's not referenced on the title page or the copyright page, in the [https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchArg=9780671721909&searchCode=ISBL&searchType=1 LCCN record], or the [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mountains-madness/oclc/28827888?referer=di&ht=edition WorldCat record]. The only reference I could find was in Locus1. I think his name should be removed from this pub record and a note added about the bad Locus1 reference. What so you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:03, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My guess is that the 2nd author is from Mayfair Games. No idea how Locus figured it out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:59, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And I've uploaded a better cover while checking it out. (edit submitted) --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:06, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::So should I remove it since it's not on title page and add the note? Or do we need to get a moderator opinion first? I have a couple of other notes to add as well as the LCCN and WorldCat IDs. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Perhaps a moderator is appropriate. I'd guess that it could end up with this entry as a variant of the two author one. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:18, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::I submitted this to the Help Desk [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Mountains_.26_Madness_author_problem here] for guidance. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:30, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== A Lost Tale ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?811 A Lost Tale], would you mind if I change the page count to x+206, and add the title for "Author's Note (A Lost Tale)" on page vii? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:38, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Seems like it should be 'ix+206' by the page rules. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:35, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::You are correct. OK otherwise? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:21, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:13, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The People of the Mist ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45199 The People of the Mist], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First printing: December, 1973" and "No printer's key"? I also have a better scanned cover ready to upload. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:38, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:46, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Wizard's Ward ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71640 The Wizard's Ward], I'd like to change the pub date to 2005-07-12 as stated on Amazon.com and add a source note. There's no stated source for the existing date. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:23, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 23:27, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Darwath novels ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48627 The Time of the Dark], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+263 and add the title "The Time of the Dark (map)" by Barbieri on page [6]? <br />
<br><br />
<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231889 The Walls of Air], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+297 and add the title "The Walls of Air (maps)" by uncredited on page [5]? I'll also add a scanned cover.<br />
<br><br />
: Sure. Might also add the map on page 3.<br />
<br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227885 The Armies of Daylight], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+309 and add the title "The Armies of Daylight (map) by uncredited on page [5]? I'll also add a scanned cover.<br />
<br><br />
<br />
: Sure. <br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:05, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:02, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Songs of Muad'Dib ==<br />
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Glenn, any objections to me adding the contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31232 Songs of Muad'Dib]? Since my source is The Locus Index, I would appreciate you checking for any discrepancies after I finish. I would also like to remove the note regarding the cover art, then credit it to 'Frederic Marvin'. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:06, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:34, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hopefully, there aren't too many title or page number differences. I still need to add original publication notes, but that will not trigger any more 'My Changed Primary Verifications' alerts. Thanks for you help. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Both the TOC and the titles on the Poem pages 7 & 8 are labeled "A Song of the New Ireland". The titles entered in the record are actually the respective first lines of each poem. <br />
::: Page 31 is titled "Untitled". Title given is the first line.<br />
::: Page 33 is titled "Untitled Haiku", etc<br />
::: Page 34 is titled "Untitled Haiku (About Brian)" ...<br />
::: Page 43 is titled "Untitled Haiku" ...<br />
::: Page 44 is titled "Untitled Haiku" ...<br />
::: Page 61 is titled "A Song of Muad'Dib"<br />
::: Page 71 is titled "A Song of Muad'Dib"<br />
::: Page 78 is titled "Katsuk's Prayer"<br />
::: Page 109–111 is an essay titled "Bibliography/Notes".<br />
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::: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:26, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I was hoping they would just use the first lines for the untitled works. The title on page 78 will have to stay "Katsuk's Prayer [1]". When content is repeated in a publication, it requires disambiguation and a variant due to software limitations. I'll make the necessary changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Let me know if my assumption re: Katsuk's Prayer is incorrect. If it is a different poem, with the same name, I need to break the variant and make a slight change to the note. Either way, the disambiguation is necessary. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:47, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: In general, they did use a quoted version of the first line of the poems that were untitled.<br />
::: The "Katskuk's Prayer on 39 starts "Raven, Raven, keep the edge on my hate.". The one on 78 begins with "O, Life Giver". I noted 78 above just to be complete, but knew it was to disambiguate. <br />
::: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:32, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Done! Always enjoy working with you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:08, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Why the mix of square brackets and parenthesis for the disambiguation? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:41, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I don't know why they used square brackets for the two titles on pages 7 & 8. I can comment on how untitled poetry is generally handled if you are interested [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:55, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Greyfax Grimwald ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16033 Greyfax Grimwald], would you mind if I import the title "Greyfax Grimwald (maps)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1150667] for the maps that start on page 5? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:27, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:12, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat Scratch Fever ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6348 Cat Scratch Fever], would you mind if I change the page count to 376+[2] and add the Author's Note on page [377]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:47, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:10, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Silver Moons, Black Steel ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30495 Silver Moons, Black Steel], would it be OK to change the page count to 434+[6] and add titles "Author's Note" on page 430 and "Wolfwalker (excerpt)" on page [435]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:20, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:11, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Alternate Names in Interviews ==<br />
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Just a reminder, please use the canonical name in the <b>interviewee</b> field, even if the interview title uses an alternate name (there is no way to variant). The interview in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5604 Brothers in Arms] needs to be corrected. While you're there, the same alternate name [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?7231 Ben Weaver] has a title which needs to be made a variant. Ignore this if you have already handled them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:45, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Edits submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:08, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gauntlet of Malice ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40452 The Gauntlet of Malice], would you mind if I make the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to xv+336<br />
<br>2. Add title "Foreword (The Gauntlet of Malice)" on page vi which is a fictional in-world essay.<br />
<br>3. Add title "Cast of Characters (The Gauntlet of Malice)" on page xii<br />
<br>4. Add scanned cover [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8b/BKTG05558.jpg]<br />
<br>5. Import title "The Gauntlet of Malice (map)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2026242 here] on page [xiv]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:18, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:09, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Spiral of Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31744 Spiral of Fire], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+468 and add title "Spiral of Fire (map)" on page [6] and title "Cast of Characters (Spiral of Fire) on page [9]? I'll also add a scanned cover. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:06, 20 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:07, 22 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226769 Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. import "Afterword (Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1910796 1910796] on page 307<br />
<br>2. add "Selected Readings (Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died)" by uncredited on page 345<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:17, 21 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok.<br />
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== ''Seaborn'' cover artist ==<br />
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Hi. I changed "Timonthy" to "Timothy" in the cover artist credit in you verified {{P|250303|Seaborn}}. If it wasn't a typo, let me know and I'll revert it (I only noticed because I was dealing with various Lantz credits). Thanks --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: 'Timothy' is correct per copyright page and back cover. I've submitted an edit adding some copyrights to the notes. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 25 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fanuilh ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13202 Fanuilh], would you mind if change the page count to [8]+259 and add the uncredited map title on page [6]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:12, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:33, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heart of Light ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?240185 Heart of Light] and see if the excerpt on page [507] is actually for "Soul of Fire" like it is in my copy? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Yep... probably a copy-paste thinko. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:05, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heroing: or, How He Wound Down the World ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16971 Heroing: or, How He Wound Down the World], would you mind if I change the page count to 346, change the publisher to Baen Books, add a "No printer's key" note, and add the essay title "Afterward" on page [346] with a misspelling note? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:58, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'd change the page count to '345+[1]'. I'm less certain about the publisher change. The 'Baen Books' in a hexagon on the title page isn't present, which was the criteria that I used to change Baen to Baen Books. There was a discussion about how to partition somewhere on the help pages. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:04, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I can't find the Baen discussion so I'll leave it alone. I was basing my potential change on the copyright page since there was nothing on the title page. I agree about the page count but it took re-reading the how-to a couple of times to see why! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Baen_vs_Baen_Books_publishers Baen vs Baen Books publishers]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:19, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pressure Man ==<br />
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Glenn, I approved the replacement of the unstable cover image in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212385 verified] pub. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:02, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Celestial Hit List ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6473 Celestial Hit List], the spelling of the cover artist is "Vincent DiFate" on the copyright page but is "Vincent Di Fate" in the pub record. I just submitted changes to make the pub record match the copyright page value and will make the new cover title record a variant of the existing cover art title record. Let me know if this is a problem. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:57, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ian Irvine titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1113 A Shadow on the Glass], would it be OK if I:<br />
<br>Change the page count to [14]+654+[1]<br />
<br>Change the map start page to [10]<br />
<br>Add essay title "Glossary of Characters, Names and Places (A Shadow on the Glass)" on page 642<br />
<br>Add essay title "Guide to Pronunciation" on page [655]<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48763 The Tower on the Rift], would it be OK if I:<br />
<br>Add essay title "Glossary of Characters, Names and Places (The Tower on the Rift)" on page 643<br />
<br>Add essay title "Guide to Pronunciation (The Tower on the Rift)" on page [659]<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:51, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:02, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== J. V. Jones titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35497 The Baker's Boy], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+552 and import the map title on page [8]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827 A Man Betrayed], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+598 and add the map title "A Man Betrayed (map)" on page [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21607 Master and Fool], would it be OK if I make the following changes?<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+645+16<br />
<br>2. Change the start page number for "The Barbed Coil (excerpt)" to 3 and add the note "The book ends on page 645. The page numbers restart from 1 for "The Barbed Coil" excerpt."<br />
<br>3. Add title "Master and Fool (map)" by uncredited on page [8]<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 12 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Since all the maps are the same, perhaps merging them down to "The Book of Words (map)". Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:43, 13 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge? ==<br />
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Hi Glenn - can you have a look [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#To_merge_or_not_to_merge.3F here] and let us know if these are merge candidates? If not, can you add notes to the title records as why they shouldn't be merged? Thanks in advance, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: See answer at link. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:05, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts ==<br />
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Consider adding a note on all excerpts indicating what the excerpt consists of. It will help with situations like the previous post. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 19 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:18, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Idylls of the Queen ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247173 The Idylls of the Queen], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+341 and add the title "Foreword (The Idylls of the Queen)" on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 22 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:11, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unicorn Quest ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49101 The Unicorn Quest], would you mind if I add the map on page 3 and a scanned cover? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:05, 23 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:13, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Starbright ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32911; I added cover artist from recently uploaded copy on Archive.org; it's Hejja like other editor's note thought it was. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:54, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:14, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sword and the Tower ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48221 The Sword and the Tower], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+216 and add the map on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:34, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:18, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire in the Mist ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13622 Fire in the Mist], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+291, import the map title on page [5], add the title "Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms (Fire in the Mist)" on page 283, and change the publisher to Baen Fantasy? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:04, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has the map on page [6]. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:22, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::The map is indeed on page [6]. I had it right in my notes and mistyped it here. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:58, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mind of the Magic ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22244 Mind of the Magic], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+305<br />
<br>2. Change the page for the map title to [9]<br />
<br>3. Add note "The map on page [9] is uncredited and has no signature but is the same as the map credited to Ellen Kostyk in <i>Fire in the Mist</i>."<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Glossary (Mind of the Magic)" by uncredited on page 295<br />
<br><br>I'd also like to change the author for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2832900 map title] to Ellen Kostyk.<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:07, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:23, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Memory of Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44032 Memory of Fire], would you mind if I add the essay on page 350 as "Author's Endnote (Memory of Fire)" and the fictional interview on page 353 as "Interview with a Dragon"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:32, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ice & Iron ==<br />
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Added some notes to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88943 Ice & Iron].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Watchtower ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188549 Watchtower], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+226<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>2. Add interiorart title "Watchtower (map)" by uncredited on page [7]<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>3. Add interiorart title "Watchtower" by uncredited on page [9]<br />
: Seems like it should be something like "Plan of Tornor Keep (diagram)".<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Appendix: The Cards of Fortune (Watchtower)" by uncredited on page 223<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:17, 30 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Third Eagle ==<br />
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On the title page of my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48488 The Third Eagle] there is what looks like a subtitle under the drawing. Based on this, I would like to change the title to "The Third Eagle: Lessons Along a Minor String". The record for the Doubleday hardcover edition has this subtitle and this pub is stated as being the complete text of that edition. Would it be OK to make the change? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kothar ==<br />
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I replaced unstable Amazon cover of Belmont edition of Conjurer's Curse with Bookscans.com cover, and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38734, with current Amazon cover that's stable and looks better. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:41, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Earth Logic ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70029 Earth Logic], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+436 and add the map title on page [11]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:34, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:17, 10 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragonflight ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?272328 Dragonflight], would you mind if I change the page count to x+309, add Gino D'Achille as the cover artist, add note "Cover Art by Gino D'Achille" from the copyright page, and change the start page to "ix"? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:47, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Generally ok, but I'm a bit torn about changing the start page to the in-story introduction. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:34, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Good point. I just looked at it some more and think that instead of changing the start page, I should just import the Introduction [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1005856 essay title] and place it on page ix. Since the Introduction is listed in the ToC, that would likely be a better solution. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:18, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragonseye ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11288 Dragonseye], would you mind if I import the map by Shelly Shapiro on page [vi]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:35, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Masterharper of Pern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?319595 The Masterharper of Pern], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+422 and change the page for the map to [8]? I'll also remove the invalid LCCN reference and replace it with a note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:51, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:36, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== For the Witch of the Mists ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?275334; I replaced unstable Amazon image with Bookscans image; it's a bit clearer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:06, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I replaced Bookscans image with FantLab image, which shows the full wraparound cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:47, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Skies of Pern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47388 The Skies of Pern], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+456+[11]<br />
<br>2. Import title "Ninth Pass Pern (map)" on page [10]<br />
<br>3. Import title "The Physics of Pern" on page [457]<br />
<br>4. Add new title "Dragondex (The Skies of Pern)" on page [463]<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:54, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragonsblood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228365 Dragonsblood], I'd like to change the page count to xiii+452+[7]; the current Roman numeral count doesn't account for the map and the unnumbered count at the end is wrong by current standards. I'd also like to import the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1581579 map] title on page [xii] and add a couple of notes. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:04, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:13, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fool's Run ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14114 this] is Geoff Taylor (same as paperbackedition). Credited [http://www.geofftaylor-artist.com/galleries/cover-art/art/fools-run">here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:00, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Thlassa Mey series ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13993 Flight to Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+319 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53920 Warriors of Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+337 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20756 Lords of Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+294 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1587 Across the Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+247 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35993 The Birth of the Blade], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+277 and add the map on page [6]?<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:59, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:10, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Antares Dawn ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2826 Antares Dawn], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+310<br />
<br>2. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page [7] as "Foldspace Chart: Antares Cluster/Napier Sector (map)" by Shelly Shapiro along with a note about the map artist.<br />
<br>4. Remove the invalid LCCN from External and add appropriate note.<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:23, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:07, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Quest of the Dark Lady ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181489; I subbed Bookscans' cover for Amazon's. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:36, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Gambler's Fortune ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40306 The Gambler's Fortune], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+518 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:59, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:33, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Assassin's Edge ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3226 The Assassin's Edge], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+514 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:20, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:33, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Beachhead Planet ==<br />
<br />
You need to gain concurrance from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Kraang Kraang] for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5345522 this edit]. He will probably approve the submission as soon as he sees your note. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:36, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Iron Tower Trilogy ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37970 The Dark Tide], would you mind if I add the essay title "Journal Notes (The Dark Tide)" on page [xi] and the map title "The Dark Tide (map)" on page [xiv]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover.<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30069 Shadows of Doom], would you mind if I add the map title "Shadows of Doom (map)" on page [xiv]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover with a scanned cover.<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38003 The Darkest Day], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+302 and add the map title "The Darkest Day (map) on page [10]? Even though the ToC has a Roman numeral for the map page number, I think I should use an Arabic number since there are no printed Roman page numbers.<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:50, 21 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: I'd think you'd want to add the maps as a shared record. Perhaps something like "A Part of Mithgar (Iron Tower Trilogy map)". As for the Roman vs. Arabic unnumbered pages, it seems a bit obscure. What do you think of using [x] instead? I'd at least note it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:41, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Sigh. I somehow missed the title on the maps so I'll create the shared map title. As to the page number for the map, I'll use the decimal but create a note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:31, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Trek to Kraggen-Cor ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16363 Trek to Kraggen-Cor], would you mind if I add the essay "Journal Notes (Trek to Kraggen-Cor)" on page xi and the map "The Brega Path (map)" on page [14]? The map page number could also be rendered as [xiv] since there are no printed page numbers on the pages between xi and 17. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:29, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Seems like it should be Roman, as it's pre-story. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:28, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Riddle-Master of Hed ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827576 The Riddle-Master of Hed], would you mind if I add the essay title "People and Places (The Riddle-Master of Hed)" on page 223? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:11, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:27, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Siege of Orbitor ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188349; I added month (October); Newman mentions it on his old Tripod site. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:42, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Starship Death ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?242529; I added OL ID and replaced cover with SF-Encyclopedia.com cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:04, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Helix and the Sword ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8913 The Helix and the Sword], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add the interiorart title "The Helix and the Sword (maps)" on page xiii<br />
<br>2. Add the essay "Chronology (The Helix and the Sword)" on page xv<br />
<br>3. Add the essay "Introduction (The Helix and the Sword)" on page xxi<br />
<br>4. Add the essay title "Glossary (The Helix and the Sword)" on page 264<br />
<br>5. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>6. Add notes about the untitled fictional letter on page vii, the Chronology, and the Introduction.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:43, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:26, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Larry Niven / Ringworld ==<br />
<br />
I am PVing and editing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28210 Ringworld]. I will add a couple of notes: 1) source of the "First Edition" statement - Currey 2) derivation of the ISBN from the SBN. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:16, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Gate Thief ==<br />
<br />
I've replaced the Amazon image with a scan for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435353 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:52, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Crucible of Gold (Novik) ==<br />
<br />
I've also replaced the Amazon image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410619 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:59, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Jitterbug ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19004 Jitterbug], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+422+[1]<br />
<br>2. Add title "Western Sector: America (map)" on page [6]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Eastern Sector (map) on page [7]<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Glossary (Jitterbug)" on page 407<br />
<br>5. Add essay title "Appendix 1: Brief History of the World" on page 412<br />
<br>6. Add essay title "Appendix 2: Memo" on page 415<br />
<br>7. Add interiorart title "Appendix 3: Chain of Command (org chart)" on page 420<br />
<br>8. Add interiorart title "Caricature of Mike McQuay" by Mel White on page [423]<br />
<br>Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:18, 25 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:51, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Larry Niven / Limits ==<br />
<br />
I am PVing and editing the US version of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?248393 Limits]. The ISFDb pub record has the story "Folk Tale" on p205, whereas in my copy of the book it is "Table Manners" both on p205 and in the TOC. The latter is a variant title of the former. Can you please check your copy and advise. If it is consistent with mine then I will make the appropriate change. I have posted this note on the talk pages of Willem H, Dirk P Broer & GlennMcG. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:50, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My copy has "FOLK" over "TALE" on p205, and "Folk Tale" in the TOC. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:29, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::We have a conclusion so I am posting this note on all your talk pages (Willem H, Dirk P Broer and GlennMcG). It is quite bizarre: there are two versions of the first printing. Willem H and GlennMcG have the version with "Folk Tale" on p205 whereas Dirk P Broer and I have the version with "Table Manners" on p205. I will clone the existing record, alter it to show the "Table Manners" title and add a pub note explaining the difference between the two versions. Then I will edit the original record and add a corresponding pub note. This should help to prevent a future editor thinking that these are duplicate records and deleting one of them. Thank you all for your help in resolving this matter. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:42, 30 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Warrior and the Witch ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49619 The Warrior and the Witch], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [xiv]+226<br />
<br>2. Add title "Author's Note (The Warrior and the Witch)" on page [vii]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Newport (maps)" on page [x]<br />
<br>4. Add title "East of the Sea (map)" on page [xiv]<br />
<br>5. Add title "Appendix One: Chronology on page 217<br />
<br>6. Add title "Appendix Two: Wentletrap's Dynasty (genealogy table) on page 220<br />
<br>7. Add title "Appendix Three: The Holy Family" on page 221<br />
<br>8. Add title "Index of Names (The Warrior and the Witch)" on page 222<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:56, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Innocent Mage ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246949 The Innocent Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+642+[18] and import the map title "The Kingdom or Lur" on page [6]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:15, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:58, 1 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Awakened Mage ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246953 The Awakened Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+712+[12] and correct the start page numbers? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:30, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Mostly ok, but the page # corrections play into a sort of gray area for page numbering (at least for me). I'd leave the main story on page 1, it points at the 'part one', not the additional main title page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:05, 1 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Crystal Warriors ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37703; I replaced "P" cover with similar OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:40, 4 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Starfish cover ==<br />
<br />
Things are a bit chaotic as far as my book storage goes, but I just found my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257488 Starfish], and yes, silver ink background to the title of the book. I hope that answers your question. By the way, I've been meaning to read this novel, is it any good? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:42, 4 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm afraid I haven't read it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:37, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Mace of Souls ==<br />
<br />
Hi. For {{P|43451}}, my copy has "First Avon Books Printing: 1991" (a decade after the current record). I expect this is simply a typo, but would you mind checking your copy, please?--[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 05:48, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: You're right, it's a typo. 1991 is correct. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:37, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Passport to Eternity ==<br />
<br />
Added a note to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25682 Passport to Eternity].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:00, 18 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Star Surgeon ==<br />
<br />
I've imported the cover credit for Mel Hunter for the SFBC edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?838982 Star Surgeon] from the first edition. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 21:29, 19 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Meeting of the Waters ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44014 The Meeting of the Waters], would you mind if if change the page count to [10]+593, add the Author's Note title on page [9], and add the map title on page [10]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:50, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:48, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Sundering Flood ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48137 The Sundering Flood], would you mind if I change the page count to xv+238 and add the uncredited map on page [xv]? The current Roman numeral page count is incorrect since the last printed page number is xiii not xii. I'll also add cover artist, map artist, and ISBN/SBN notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:05, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:55, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Lady Blade ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19819; OL ID, OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:35, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== A Dirge for Sabis ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482 A Dirge for Sabis], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+393 and add the map title on page [5]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:26, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:46, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark of the Moon ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8901 Dark of the Moon], the cover art is currently attributed to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106181 Heffernan]. I'm virtually certain that this is actually an alternate name for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25927 David Heffernan] -- the block letter signature on Dark of the Moon closely matches the block letter signature on my copy of [Caught in Crystal]; and the cover art for Yngwie Malmsteen's album Trilogy ([https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71-bKDA3YzL._SL1395_.jpg front] [https://albumartexchange.com/covers/536219-trilogy-back back] has a signature on the front that matches Dark of the Moon even more closely, and has an explicit David Heffernan credit on the back. Assuming that this holds up, what would be the best way of handling it? I had initially submitted an edit to the cover artist entry on Dark of the Moon, but as I think about it, would it make more sense to link the two artist records? Or to leave the artist name alone and mention it in a note? Or to ...?<br />
<br />
Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:21, 25 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Previous editors didn't give the source of the cover artist credit. However, the cover clearly has a Herffernan signature, so the attribution seem correct, but a note should have been added giving its source. (I can do so, if you'd like).<br />
<br />
:: Yes, if you could, that'd be great. I'll withdraw my current edit.<br />
<br />
: It doesn't seem unlikely that a artist credit could appear both with and without a first name. It seems better to me to link the two artist records, but you could always bring it up on the wiki help page for more authoritative guidance. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:23, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Yes, that makes sense. I'll see what they have to say. Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:08, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== God Stalk ==<br />
<br />
Also, I was looking at my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15616 God Stalk] and it looks like this is another [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106181 Heffernan] cover -- on the very bottom right-hand corner, when I looked with a magnifying glass and a flashlight, I could make out a partial signature that again matches the block letter Heffernan signature on Dark of the Moon et al. Again, I'm not sure of the best way to handle this -- just document in a note, or ...?<br />
<br />
Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:21, 25 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My copy seems to have a complete 'HEFFERNAN' signature on the cover, albeit somewhat blurry. I'd credit as the single name, and note it, as per the help info for cover artist edits. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:41, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: OK, I'll do that. Again, thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:09, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== First Truth ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13841 First Truth], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+336 and add the map on page [5]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:52, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:54, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Star Web ==<br />
<br />
Added cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32888 Star Web] and modified associated note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 29 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Species Imperative ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?68985 Survival], would you mind if I change the page count to x+483 to match the book? I'll also add the WorldCat ID and replace the Amazon cover. <br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82172 Migration], would you mind if I change the page count to x+527 to match the book? I'll also add the WorldCat ID and replace the Amazon cover. <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:16, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:56, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Starfollowers of Coramonde ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255082 The Starfollowers of Coramonde], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [6]+361<br />
<br>2. Import the map title (record 1406573) on page [6] plus fix the map title date<br />
<br>3. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: February 1979" and "No printer's key so first printing assumed." notes.<br />
<br>4. Add LCCN<br />
<br>5. Add notes for cover artist, map artist, LCCN<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:58, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== test math input ==<br />
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<math>\alpha</math><br />
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== The Regiment's War ==<br />
<br />
I submitted a change for the page count on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46001 The Regiment's War] to match the last printed page number. Once approved it will match the LCCN and WorldCat data. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:10, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Moonheart: A Romance ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22754 Moonheart: A Romance], would you mind if I add the Author's Note on page 479 and the Appendix on page 481? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:00, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Greenmantle ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16001 Greenmantle], would you mind if I import the Author's Note (title record 1719684) on page 328? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:59, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy ==<br />
<br />
I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380088 this submission] on hold. Shouldn't the other two titles be variants of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3064231 Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy]? Only reason I looked for this submission is because I was reviewing your earlier edits when Ron approved them. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: ahh.. I added the variant based on which title was entered earlier, rather than published. Also, it's seems odd that the other longer 'chocolate pot' publications names don't match <br />
shorter title record. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:55, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Subtitles in some of the publication titles, not in the title record. Do you want to change your submission(s)? If so, I'll approve them. Looks like one title record will need a date change too. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Should subtitles drive varianting? I guess I don't quite understand when it's ok to have a title with various publication names, vs. varianting. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:33, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::: Date determines the parent. 'Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy' published in 1988 is the oldest. 'Sorcery and Cecelia or The Enchanted Chocolate Pot' title date is 2003, it is a variant. I would correct the title record to 2003-05-00, add the subtitle, and variant. Sorcery & Cecelia or The Enchanted Chocolate Pot only needs to have the parent variant record number changed from 6862 to 3064231. I will release the hold if you disagree. If you agree, I'll approve the changes. No problem either way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:58, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Please go ahead. (I'm off for a week on vacation). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:52, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Prince of Ill Luck ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45593 The Prince of Ill Luck]. I changed the note "1st edition as per number line" to a quoted edition note and a no number line note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Looks good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:04, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Purple Pirate ==<br />
<br />
Do you know a reason as to why [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274785 this] publication has not been included in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?23865 this] series given it's published by Zebra Books/Kensington Publishing Corp. and has "Volume 4" prominently on the cover ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:37, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Not really. In fact, in my own personal catalog, I have it as volume 4 of 'Tros of Samothrace'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:02, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Possible Database Typose ==<br />
<br />
Can you double check these possible database typos?<br />
* dispair - {{T|3044618|City of Hope & Dispair (excerpt)}} in {{P|327912|City of Dreams & Nightmare}}<br />
* habeus - {{T|2957630|Habeus Corpses (excerpt)}} in {{P|72833|Dead on My Feet}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:59, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Both typos. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:53, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Fixed, thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:52, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Course of Empire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?68663 The Course of Empire], would you mind if I import the following titles?<br />
<br>On page [5] "Cast of Characters (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 654 "Glossary of Jao Terms (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 657 "Appendix A: The Ekhat (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 663 "Appendix B: Interstellar Travel (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:37, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:52, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fata Morgana ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128641 The Fata Morgana], would you mind if I change the page count to 313+[1] and add the Author's note on page [314]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:52, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:34, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Man Whose Name Wouldn't Fit ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196257; I added Luminist PDF and entered the whole ID, 123-07020-075. EDIT: My edit was rejected because mod claimed only 07020 needed to be entered, and then mod made their own edit adding the PDF I found. I pointed out that publisher Curtis Books has about five dozen other ISFDB entries where the whole ID was entered, but whether any mods are going to respond to that or decide which way of entering the ID is actually correct remains to be seen. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:19, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5710577; Subtitle entered in note should be part of title according to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper / Deadly Image ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of: Willem H, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9422 Deadly Image] and propose to: <br> 1) update date to 1958-05-00, add pub note stating source which is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205393 1969 Ballantine second printing] and update date on title and coverart records <br> 2) add pub note advising that the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293455 1958 UK Hutchinson hc] states that it is preceded by this edition <br> 3) delete the Clute/Nichols (sic) reference in accordance with my post: 'Clute/Nicholls and "First Edition"' on the Moderators' Noticeboard dated 3 April 2022 (now archived) <br> Are you ok with all this? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:11, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:10, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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==Edmund Cooper / Tomorrow's Gift==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of: Kraang, Willem H, Dirk P Broer, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189277 Tomorrow's Gift] <br> 1) the pub record has a contents entry "Brain Child". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 63 is "The Brain Child" <br> 2) the pub record has a contents entry "M81-Ursa Major". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 95 is "M81: Ursa Major" <br> I will make the appropriate corrections and add pub notes regarding the discrepancies with the TOC [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:56, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Instrument of Fate ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18319 Instrument of Fate], do you mind if I change the page count to [8]+293 and add the map title on page [7]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:49, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:47, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Shrine of the Desert Mage ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30373 Shrine of the Desert Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+243 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:27, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:48, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gatekeepers ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40407 The Gatekeepers] and see if the title on page [7] is "Preface" not "Introduction"? I'd like to change title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?980592] to "Preface (The Gatekeepers)". I know that title is also part of the hardcover edition verified by the inactive KPulliam but it's highly unlikely that there would be a difference in titles between the hardcover and the paperback editions. I'd also like to change the page count to [8]+456. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:40, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has 'Preface'. (Introduction probably came from the front cover). Ok with page count. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:56, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I added the Open Library link to the hc. The archive has a scanned copy of the first printing. It confirms 'Preface'. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:20, 22 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== God Game ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15603 God Game], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add the map on page 308.<br />
<br>2. Add the Author's Note on page 309.<br />
<br>3. Add WorldCat and misc notes.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:35, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:49, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== White Mare, Red Stallion ==<br />
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There is a very unlikely author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54545 this publication], under the same name as the work itself.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:15, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Copy/paste error. Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:35, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ten Thousand ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250428 The Ten Thousand], would you mind if I add the map on page 6 and the Glossary on page 467? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:34, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:55, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vain Command ==<br />
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After a discussion with one of the moderators [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#Squadron_Alert here], I have submitted an edit to add the missing Roman numeral page numbers to<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32925 Vain Command]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:30, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Daggerspell and Darkspell - Del Rey ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8587 Daggerspell], I'd like to add the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to 16+395<br />
<br> Seems like it should be [16]+395<br />
<br>2. Import title 2135194 "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (Daggerspell)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Add map title "The Provinces of the Kingdom of Deverry in the Year 1060 (map)" on page [12]<br />
<br>4. Add map title "Southern Eldidd in 1060 (map)" on page [14]<br />
: Otherwise, Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:58, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9123 Darkspell], I'd like to add the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [16]+366<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (Darkspell)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Import map title "The Provinces of the Kingdom of Deverry in the Year 1060 (map)" on page [12]<br />
<br>4. Import map title "Southern Eldidd in 1060 (map)" on page [14]<br />
<br>5. Add title "Appendix: Characters and Their Incarnations (Darkspell)" on page 361<br />
<br>6. Add title "Glossary (Darkspell)" on page 363<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:56, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:11, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Bristling Wood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36554 The Bristling Wood], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Bristling Wood)" on page 9<br />
<br>2. Add title "Appendix: Characters and Their Incarnations (The Bristling Wood)" on page 353<br />
<br>3. Add title "Glossary (The Bristling Wood)" on page 354<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:54, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:13, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Revenant ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38755 The Dragon Revenant], would you mind the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [12]+401+[17]<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Dragon Revenant)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Add map "The Bardekian Archipelago in 1070 (map)" on page [11]<br />
<br>4. Add title "Glossary (The Dragon Revenant)" on page 397<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:36, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:15, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Time of Exile ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1276 A Time of Exile], would you mind the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+404+[16]<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (A Time of Exile)" on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Incarnations of the Various Characters Throughout the Deverry Series (A Time of Exile)" on page 395<br />
<br>4. Add title "Political Chronology of the Kingdoms of Deverry and Eldidd (A Time of Exile)" on page 396<br />
<br>5. Add title "Glossary (A Time of Exile)" on page 401<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:05, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Red Wyvern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45983 The Red Wyvern], I'd like to do the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+393+[7]<br />
<br>2. Add essay "Author's Note (The Red Wyvern)" on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page [11]<br />
<br>4. Add essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Red Wyvern)" on page 385<br />
<br>5. Add essay "Glossary (The Red Wyvern)" on page 389<br />
<br>6. Add essay "Table of Reincarnating Characters (The Red Wyvern)" on page [395]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:58, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:29, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Black Raven ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?235629 The Black Raven], I would like to do the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to xiii+415+[2]<br />
<br>2. Add essay "A Note on the Deverry Sequence (The Black Raven)" on page ix<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page xiii<br />
<br>4. Add essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Black Raven)" on page 409<br />
<br>5. Add essay "Glossary (The Black Raven)" on page 413<br />
<br>6. Add essay "Table of Reincarnating Characters (The Black Raven)" on page [417]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:35, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:32, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fire Dragon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249142 The Fire Dragon], I would like to make the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [12]+418 and add note about no printed Roman numerals<br />
<br>2. Add essay "Table of Incarnations (The Fire Dragon)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Delete the existing map title and replace it by importing the map title used in "Days of Blood and Fire". (The map title add is currently waiting on mod approval.)<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:19, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Time of Omens ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1282 A Time of Omens] I would like to add the essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (A Time of Omens)" on page ix. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:25, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:35, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Snare ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30933 Snare], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the title to "Snare: A Novel of the Far Future" to match the title page. Based what I'm seeing in the majority of the WorldCat records, I'll also change the canonical title name to the new value instead of doing an unmerge and variant.<br />
<br>2. Change the page count to [10]+676<br />
<br>3. Add essay "Author's Note (Snare)" on page [9]<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:37, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:57, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Palace ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25544 Palace], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the title to "Palace: A Novel of the Pinch" to match the title page. Based what I'm seeing in the LCCN record and the majority of the WorldCat records, I'll also change the canonical title name to the new value instead of doing an unmerge and variant.<br />
: I'd leave it alone, per leaving series names out of titles.<br />
<br>2. Add a note about the odd split format of the title page. <br />
<br>3. Change the page count to [10]+450<br />
<br>4. Add essay "Author's Note (Palace)" on page [9]<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:51, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:00, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Emerald House Rising ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12174 Emerald House Rising], I would like to change the page count to [10]+325 and add the two maps on pages [8] and [9]. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:29, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:03, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wild Swans ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49997 The Wild Swans], I'd like to add the essay "Author's Note (The Wild Swans)" on page 447. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:40, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:04, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire Sanctuary ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13650 Fire Sanctuary], I want to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [14]+370<br />
<br>2. Add the map on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add the essay on page [8]<br />
<br>4. Add the essay on page [9]<br />
<br>5. Add the genealogical table on page [10]<br />
<br>6. I'll move the WorldCat ID to external and add notes as well<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:16, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok.<br />
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== Raven series ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27410 Swordsmistress of Chaos], I'd like to add the map on page 6.<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27398 A Time of Ghosts], I'd like to change the page count to [8]+199 add the map on page [6].<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:23, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. The maps look the same to me, so perhaps sharing them makes sense. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:06, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Steerswoman ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47936 The Steerswoman], I'd like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+279<br />
<br>2. Add the map on page [6]<br />
<br>3. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:16, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Outskirter's Secret ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45002 The Outskirter's Secret], I'd like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+342<br />
: My copy is [10]+342.<br />
::Indeed it is. My bad. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:30, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br>2. Change the map author to Rosemary Kirstein and add an associated map artist note<br />
: Sure. <br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:37, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mammoth Book of Awesome Comic Fantasy ==<br />
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Could you please double check {{P|43683|The Mammoth Book of Awesome Comic Fantasy}}? Per the second printing:<br />
*page 90 is credited as Esther Friesner and not Esther M. Friesner<br />
*page 110 is credited as Nelson Bond and not Nelson S. Bond <br />
*page 175 is credited as Michael Coney and not Michael G. Coney<br />
*"The Caliber of the Sword" is on page 344 and not 244<br />
Do these need to be corrected in the entry for the first printing or did they real change between printings? I will point the other verifier to this conversation as well. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Your differences are correct. Note that I just submitted an edit with a replacement for the Amazon ISBN based cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:25, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deryni Magic title ==<br />
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Please look at the title page of your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9926 Deryni Magic: A Grimoire] and see if it matches mine which only reads "Deryni Magic". I'd like to change the both the title and canonical title to "Deryni Magic" as well as add a note that the cover shows the title as "Deryni Magic: A Grimoire". I'll also have to change the cover image title to match. I'd also like to add the map titles on pages vi and vii. The other active PVs have this same request. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:59, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. (I see the edit already went through). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:18, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bikini Planet ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4470; I added Archive.org link and replaced unstable "P" Amazon cover image with stable Amazon image that looks the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:28, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Lodge of the Lynx ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34999 The Lodge of the Lynx], I want to change the cover artist to "Daniel R. Horne". The existing cover art note is almost correct but it's a keyhole double cover and the signed art is on the inner cover not a frontispiece so I'll fix that as well. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 14:11, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:16, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Temple and the Crown ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48395 The Temple and the Crown], would you mind if I change the page count to xi+542 and add the essay on page ix? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:59, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic's Price ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21139 Magic's Price], I'd like to add the map on page 6. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 11 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:53, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Oathbreakers ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24660 Oathbreakers], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Import the maps on pages 6, 7, 8, 9<br />
: Ok<br />
<br>2. Import Appendix One on page 283<br />
: I wish the rules were clearer on whether 281 or 283 should be used.<br />
<br>3. Add title "Appendix Two: Songs and Poems (Oathbreakers)" on page 289<br />
: ditto 287 or 289<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:27, 11 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:57, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Trumpets of Tagan ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48890 The Trumpets of Tagan] I'd like to change the page count to viii+258. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:17, 13 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:04, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tongues of Serpents - Naomi Novik ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon image in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347095 this pub] with a scan. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:41, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper (Richard Avery) / The Deathworms (Death Worms) of Kratos ==<br />
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I need to notify 5 active PVs of changes I propose to make to the above title. The details of the changes are on my talk page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Edmund_Cooper_.28Richard_Avery.29_.2F_The_Deathworms_.28Death_Worms.29_of_Kratos here]. If you wish to comment, could you please do so on my talk page so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Glen Cook / A Shadow of All Night Falling ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254119 A Shadow of All Night Falling]. This pub has numbered roman numeral pages at the start so I will change the page count accordingly, index the map and add pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 15:40, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== World Without End ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55357; I replaced unstable Amazon cover with stable Amazon cover, which looks the same, and added Archive.org link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Return to Eden ==<br />
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Hi<br />
I notice that many of the publication records of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9231 Return to Eden] contain the appendix, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?979454 The World West of Eden] as well as the prolog and the map as separate entries, so in the interest of consistency I'd like to add them to the contents of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27998 the publication you verified] if that's OK. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:00, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. In case you don't have access to a copy, the prologue is on page ix, and the appendices on 345. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:06, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== David Zindell / The Lightstone (maps) ==<br />
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I am in the process of editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43086 The Lightstone]. This pub has two maps which are uncredited but signed with a handwritten "R.G.". Whilst trying to find the creator of these maps I discovered that your PVd copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273957 Lord of Lies] has maps credited to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?130091 Richard Geiger]. So he probably did the maps in The Lightstone but to confirm can you please advise: 1) are the maps in your Lord of Lies explicitly credited to Richard Geiger? 2) are they signed "R.G."? Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:06, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: "Map by Richard Geiger" on copyright page. Map signed "R.G. '01" in lower right corner. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 00:31, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Charles Sheffield / The Nimrod Hunt ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs: Ahasuerus, Willem H., GlennMcG<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. There is a pub note stating "Price in Canada: C$4.95". My copy has no Canadian price. Is there a Canadian price on your copy? If we all agree there is not then I will delete this note. I also propose to add a pub note about the discrepancy in the heading of the excerpt on page [407]. This states "...coming in July 1985..." despite Nimrod Hunt being published in August 1986. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: No C$ on mine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:17, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Excellent: we have 100% agreement amongst the four of us. I have just submitted the edit to make the changes as per my original proposal and have also added the "Not to be confused..." note suggested by Ahasuerus. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:12, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vernor Vinge / The Peace War ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45166 The Peace War]. I will import the existing record for the excerpt of "Between the Strokes of Night" by Charles Sheffield which appears in the unnumbered pages at the end of the book and will adjust the Pages field to 378+[4] accordingly. I have verified that this excerpt in The Peace War is identical to the excerpt in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. Incidentally, since this pb of The Peace War was published in June 1985, the statement "...coming in July 1985..." at the head of the excerpt now makes sense. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:45, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Delian Cycle minor fix ==<br />
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There's a typo in the notes for The Delian Cycle (which you verified), "preceds" instead of "precedes", so I'll fix it unless you have any objections. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:42, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Reprint Dates ==<br />
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Several clone pubs submissions for reprints had the same date as the original publication. I removed the date on these. However, I released I was over zealous on a couple and had misread the date and notes. I restored those. If I missed anything, please let me know and & I will fix. Sorry for the confusion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:41, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: The only one I don't understand is https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5463341 --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:36, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::How do you derive the publishing date from that? If I understand the note correctly, the publication lists itself, but not the next pub? That would have been true of the first publication. How do you know they didn't simply update the second printing list vs. it was published before the next book in the series? Or was that known practice for this publisher? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:20, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It was an attempt to reverse engineer a pattern that Bluesman used for dating non-first printings that I was PVing. (I attempted to use that scheme to date non-PVed books that I had non-first printings). Pocket Books seems to be quite consistent in number series listings in their books.<br />
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::: The way I interpret that data, is as such. Find the 1st printing date of the last book listed in a series. (STTNG, for example). Call it last. Find the same for the next higher book (not listed), and call it next. Then assume that the publication date of this non-first printing is: last <= date < next. Apply this to the various series listed in the book, and then apply an old-school logic puzzle game to the cross-series results. The book in question however had less data to apply. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:26, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::These extrapolated dates always make me a bit nervous. Anyhow, I have restored the date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:53, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dick ~ St. Clair / The World Jones Made ~ Agent of the Unknown ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs.<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50485 The World Jones Made ~ Agent of the Unknown] and propose to change the date from 1956-00-00 to 1956-03-00 and add a pub note stating the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360808 Galactic Central Bibliography]. I will also add the month to the associated records (title and coverart). I will be adding the month to several other PKD books in the near future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:22, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14030 Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said] and will add notes and import the existing record for the interior art on page 2. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:45, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The formatting ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder that we do not enforce formatting in the Notes field and converting every single Note you touch into HTML is not a good idea - not all the editors are comfortable working with HTML. When you are adding a lot of additional notes, that's fine but if you are adding a single note or a couple of short notes, please don't convert to your preferred formatting just because you like it more than what you find in the field - instead use the existing formatting and add the note using it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:43, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dragons, Elves and Heroes ==<br />
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Glenn, Double check [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5479044 this submission]. 0345017315 maybe? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:54, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: You're right. 0-345-01731-5 is the correct ISBN. Not sure what brain function kicked to produce this error, but 0 is close to 1 numerically, but not keyboard positionally. The note has the right number. I can resubmit if you'd like. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:02, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes please. Cancel the held submission as well. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:26, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:39, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Olympus ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to the notes of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24822 this pub]. Let's remove this note 'The first pages are roman numbered.' and correct the Pages field to reflect the Roman numerals. I know you didn't write it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:20, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I left things alone because there didn't seem to be a way to distinguish separately sequenced roman vs arabic sections, vs one sequence starting with roman and continuing with arabic. For example, in this book, the pages are numbered i–ix, blank, 11–317, not i–ix, blank, 1–317. (In the page field syntax). Perhaps enter ix+317, and note that arabic section starts with 11? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:33, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: ix+317 is correct. I don't believe any note is necessary. The contents section is clear. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:42, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Silent Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47237 this] is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See [https://ifdpublishing.com/product/trilobite-returns-to-helvoran-large-print/ here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:19, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 15:21, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Haven ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16527; Copy uploaded recently on Archive.org, note says April 2000, I assume that was a mistake so when I added a link I also changed it to September. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Error confirmed. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:59, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Changing Amazon Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657166; My edit adding Archive.org link and changing 01 to 00 in the date was rejected because mod said I should have asked you about changing the date first. As you probably know, Amazon routinely has day as 01 when they don't know the real day (or sometimes 01-01 if they don't know the month and the day); 05-01 could be April, May, or June and book said May so that's what I changed it to, 05-00. In the future, assuming I'm still editing here much longer, would you like me to just adjust the day when I find an actual copy with the date without leaving you a message? In this case the mod left the Amazon date as it is but did make another edit adding the Archive link that I found myself, so at least that's there now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: My edit didn't change the date, but added the source. My practice has been to only change the date if it's in the previous month, and the printing statement gives the next month. (And noting the difference). Since I couldn't prove that it didn't actually get issued on the first, I left things alone. If group consensus wants something different, it's ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:45, 24 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Just a quick note here: As 2018-05-01 is a Tuesday and that had been the usual day for the big US based publishers to publish their books for the last few years, the date here is most likely correct: while Amazon may have issues with some publishers’ dates and -01 may indicate lack of knowledge of the day of publishing, that is very unlikely to be the case here considering the newness of the book and the publisher. Books get published on the 1st and the history of the publisher and its practices and the specific date it is (in this case being a Tuesday) need to be taken into account before removing valid data from the database. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 01:58, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::If there was a note saying that it was actually published on the 1st then that would be true, but Amazon doesn't do that, so barring a photo of a review copy with the specific publication date on it, which is not the case more often than not, it's always best to enter the date as it is in the publication itself. Some do include a specific day, usually small-press books or older books in reprint editions where they mention the exact dates of previous printings, but most don't. It's all moot, anyway, because often dates in books and when they were actually published are two different things. There are probably tens of thousands of books on ISFDB that have the wrong date, some people entering them from the book itself, others taking the date from an online site like Amazon or genre sites like Locus which often differ from the date in the book (I know because I've fixed probably thousands of them), so it's all guesswork and only of interest to people who care about minutiae; there's not a single online site I've ever seen that could seriously be called truly accurate. Just read, that's what's really important; you never know when all this may be gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: From the help section "The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources Secondary Sources of Dates]. The publication is in compliance. FWIW, [https://astrapublishinghouse.com/product/the-summer-dragon-9780756408343/ here] is a link to the publisher's website confirming the 2018-05-01 date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::That doesn't confirm anything; lazy publishers routinely just copy dates straight from Amazon. It might really be the right day or it might not. Unless someone can verify they bought the book on its publication date by showing a receipt and it really was the first day of the month then the month will suffice here. As I said, dates in books and publication dates often differ, sometimes greatly. Cemetery Dance has one of the worst track records when it comes to publishing books on time, sometimes coming out years after the date in the book. Very few books or other publications can be pinpointed to the exact day they were published and it really isn't that important compared to other stuff like, for example, the huge amount of collections and anthologies on ISFDB that have missing/incomplete/inaccurate contents; that's what most people are interested in, not knowing what exact day the book was published, because that matters little to their enjoyment (or not) of the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Shared title change discussion ==<br />
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I'd like to change [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?175371 SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume] to "The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy: Second Annual Volume" as per the title page. (unlike the front cover and spine). Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:33, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Hmmm. Just noticed the large SF on the previous page.<br />
::I'll dig it out and have a look inside.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I'm inclined to leave it as is. The current title I believe is the intended title, just printed on two separate pages.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:35, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I’m away from home for the next few days, but I’d vote for leaving it as is based on your descriptions. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 10:50, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I could see it turn into "SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy: Second Annual Volume". Are sub-sub-titles not a thing? The volume part is in a smaller/different font than the first part. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:32, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: That would be more in line with the third and fourth annual volume of the same series, too.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 21:58, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've looked at the first four, and the sub-sub-title suggestion makes sense and aligns with the others in the series. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 21:29, 3 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I've submitted edits for the 2nd annual pubs. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:00, 4 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baynes Illustrations for Tolkien ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG<br />
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I'm holding two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475700 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475701 here]. These would replace the single INTERIORART record for our mutually verified ''Smith of Wooten Major & Farmer Giles of Ham'' withe separate INTERIORART records for the illustrations from the separate publications of the two stories. If I were the sole verifier, I would approve these, but I'm actually ambivalent about the change. Do you have an opinion on whether these edits should be approved or rejected? I'm leaving the same note on all the active verifiers page and will follow up if we have a disagreement on what to do. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 5 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Doesn't seem to be much of a win to change, but meh? However, I'd guess that the illustrations were commissioned for the combined works, rather than as separate projects. I'm ok however it turns out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:18, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I actually think it's more likely that these are the Baynes illustrations done for the original standalone editions and not a new illustrations specifically for the combined edition. I'm going to go ahead and approve the edits. There is a [https://archive.org/details/smithofwoottonma1975tolk partial scan] of a 1978 standalone edition of SWM where the title page matches ours. There is also a [https://archive.org/details/farmergilesofham0000tolk full scan] of FGH included in a different collection in 1977 and with matching illustrations. While these are later printings, they all bear the same original copyright dates. These aren't definitive proof, but do suggest that the illustrations are the same as the original standalone publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:47, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bernard Wolfe / Limbo ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20399 Limbo] and will add pub note "Year confirmed by Tuck", new essay "Author's Notes and Warnings" (page 409) and page numbers to the contents. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:48, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== James White / Hospital Station ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17347 Hospital Station]. In my copy, the story on page 84 is titled "Trouble with Emily" but the Contents section of the pub record has "The Trouble with Emily". Could you please check the title in your copy. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:03, 11 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My copy matches yours. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 04:59, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I will make the change. Thanks for checking. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:11, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crowther - Forbidden Planets ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, the notes [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256837 here] are very clear about the Afterword but I suggest it should be titled "Afterword: Forbidden Planet[s?] (Forbidden Planets)". Could you check it out, and also clarify whether it's 'Planet' or 'Planets'. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:10, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: It's "Forbidden Planet" over "Stephen Baxter" at the actual essay on page 289. It seems to me that the title is ok as is, or perhaps just change to "Forbidden Planet". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:31, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As far as I know, we take titles from the book's table contents page (and not from the body of the publication) and detail the difference (in this case on p.289) in the pub Notes.<br />
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::That would give us "Afterword: Forbidden Planet" as the title (as per table contents page).<br />
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::Then we add the book's title in brackets. So, finally.... "Afterword: Forbidden Planet (Forbidden Planets)".<br />
:: The last sentence in the Notes ("The essay...") explains the situation perfectly. Here's a random example of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53528 Afterword titling]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:32, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: From the help section - "Short fiction, essays and poems. For short stories, essays and poems, when working from a primary source, always take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins. The title shown in/on the table of contents, running page headers, index, front cover of the publication, secondary bibliography, or a promotional website listing is secondary. Any differences between titles in the publication may be noted in the publication notes, but this is not required. If titles are being entered solely from a secondary source, please record the source in the note field."<br />
::: Glen is correct. No disambiguation is necessary since there are not other essays with the same title by Stephen Baxter. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:42, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::Thanks John for stepping in to sort me out:) I'm sorry Glenn for getting it all wrong - I remembered the way it worked - exactly backwards! My mistake, and a lesson. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:10, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|178129|Ghosts}}: I updated several author credits to match the story title pages:<br />
* p67, Jack M. Dann to Jack Dann <br />
* p85, Mary E. Wilkins Freeman to Mary Wilkins Freeman<br />
* p213, Charlotte Riddell to Mrs. J. H. Riddell<br />
Also, do you see a cover artist credit on this pub? I'm not seeing a credit or a signature. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:12, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see initials JK in the lower right corner of the front cover. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:27, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I've updated the pub notes with that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:27, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Evil Overlord / Human For A Day==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?98621; I added (incomplete) Archive.org copy some time ago; today while adding info for DAW anthologies that are on Open Library but not searchable on the Archive (identified by their white "Preview" button) I came across this one again and while adding LCCN ID I noticed the Roman numerals weren't included in the page count so I added an xi. I assume your copy has the same. EDIT: Also added Archive.org link, LCCN ID, and viii to this; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358071. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Replacing some Amazon images on verified publications. ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan from my copy for the following: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22532 The Mocking Program] by Alan Dean Foster and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584398 Solar Express], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657176 Assassin's Price] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486772 Rex Regis] by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Music ==<br />
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I was planning on adding the foreword by Kevin Hearne to [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657063 this pub]] to match the HC and verified ebook, as my copy does have it. It will require changing the page count to xii+387 from 387. I will also be uploading a scanned cover and adding the Canadian price of 10.99. Any problem with this? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:09, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:28, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Mind Slayer" ==<br />
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When I found Your pv title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31970 Mind Slayer] I wonder if the title isn't spelled wrong. All external-IDs, the cover and Amazon have a different spelling "Mind Slaver". I'm wondering as the title is primary verified four times. Can You approve again? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 15:14, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I guess it was invisible. 'Slaver' is correct. I've uploaded a new cover image while driving by. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:35, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Concrete Savior ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346717; There's an Archive.org copy (one of those that only appears on Open Library) so I added a link but the page count was way off, 343 instead of 384. You as PV can tell me what your copy's count is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:56, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: 343. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:41, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Talon of the Silver Hawk ==<br />
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Minor tweaks to contents of Talon of the Silver Hawk https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34446 if you have no objection.<br />
[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:43, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Magician's End ==<br />
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Minor tweaks to contents of Magician's End https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412824 if you have no objection.<br />
[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rides a Dread Legion ==<br />
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I made minor changes to contents of Rides a Dread Legion https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274016 if you have no objection. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:49, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Charles de Lint / Moonheart: A Romance ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of active PVs GlennMcG, Philfreund.<br />
<br>I'm looking at my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22754 Moonheart: A Romance] and the pub record. This doesn't seem to be set up correctly. It should be unmerged, assigned to a title record of "Moonheart: A Romance" and this should be varianted to "Moonheart". Actually, there is a case for making "Moonheart: A Romance" the canonical title as it's the first publication. However, as there is only 1 pub titled "Moonheart: A Romance" and 16 pubs titled "Moonheart", I don't feel strongly about which is the canonical title. Mind you, I would bet that some of the other pubs also have "A Romance" on the title page, particularly the Ace pb reprints. What are your thoughts? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:47, 13 February 2023 (EST):<br />
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: The notes indicate the subtitle 'a romance' (which is present). I just PVed and made no edits and left things alone. My personal esthetic for subtitles tends to ignore essentially 'content-free' like this, or 'a novel'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::On a purely personal level I completely agree with you. I consider statements such as "A Romance" on the title page to be a description of the work and not part of the title. It also opens the door to problems because it makes it too easy for editors to forget or not bother to include subtitles which results in inconsistent pub records accumulating as they have with Moonheart. However, our personal opinions are not relevant. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title ISFDb policy] on this states that it should be entered as a subtitle so that's what we have to go with. Coincidentally, this policy actually uses "A Romance" as an example. Based on your and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#Charles_de_Lint_.2F_Moonheart:_A_Romance Philfreund's] replies, I will do the varianting but first I will stick a post on the Moderator Noticeboard to ask which should be the canonical title as it's rather subjective. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sirens and other Daemon Lovers ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted a submission adding page numbers to the contents for your verified {{P|253718|Sirens and Daemon Lovers}}. The submission used a copy on Archive.org as the source and cited that in the notes. Please review. If you do review and verify that the page numbers match your copy, delete that citation from the notes -- we'd prefer to know that someone saw those page numbers on a copy of the book in hand. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:18, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Page #s PVed and edit submitted. Noticed a missing subtitle and submitted edits. Will need to merge. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Glad I could help. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One in Three Hundred / The Transposed Man ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, re your title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24989 here], I'd like to add a link to an Asimov [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?481353 variant cover]. I noticed that your cover was upgraded in 2019 so I thought that providing a link would alert future editors of the relationship (if they missed it in summary pages. Are you ok with that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 06:47, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:55, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thank you. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:19, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== L. Neil Smith / The Probability Broach ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181953 The Probability Broach] and propose to:<br />
<br>1) change page count to vii+275<br />
<br>2) create a Content record for the Appendix<br />
<br>3) add explanatory pub notes<br />
<br>[[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:31, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Circus of Dr. Lao cover artist ==<br />
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I added Mitchell Hooks' credit for the cover of the Bantam [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37138 Circus of Dr. Lao] along with a note that he signed it.--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 09:08, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Snowcastles and Sometime After the Equinox==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322251; I copied the Romas note over to Star Axe since artist's name is visible there, too, but I noticed for that book you or someone made an alternate name while in this one no one did. Should artist be a variant in this, too? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31142; this one, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:05, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I used the name from Locus. Not sure how to prioritize secondary sources. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:06, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Upon reflection, I'd prioritize the one that matches the canonic name. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:45, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== YoED ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371303; I fixed that obviously wrong publisher name, the only one such on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Demon Night ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/demonnight0000smit; I fixed month in cover art (was 00) and reg. title (was 02) but I think publisher in your PV should be Ace Fantasy Books. Anyway, this 3rd printing was uploaded recently in case you care to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: The title page indicates 'ace books'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:18, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== K-9 Corps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602460; I'm replacing the unstable "G" cover; another book in the series (Under Fire) also has an unstable cover but current Amazon cover has a watermark from some bookseller so I didn't replace it. Also, 1 book is missing WorldCat ID and 3 are missing LCCN ID in case you wanted to finish adding those. EDIT: I added Archive.org links to 3 books in the series and another link to StarSpawn by the same author (+ LCCN ID), which you also PV, but I noticed the cover has the same watermark (papierplanet.de) as the one I mentioned above, in case you can upload yours or a better one from somewhere besides Amazon (Open Library doesn't show the cover but it does show the title page with a message and signature by the author). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:45, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Chariot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88806; LCCN is for the HC, not the PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:25, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Changed it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 22:50, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - Nightfall and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, just to let you know that I've entered all the introductions to {{P|178377|this pub}}, replacing the generic <i>Biographical Comments in "Nightfall and Other Stories"</i> title. I don't know if this would be any use to your {{P|205725|record here}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Update: Have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_Nightfall_and_Other_Stories this thread] which may be of help. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon Blade ==<br />
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Would you please look at the title page of your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281293 Dragon Blade] and see if the title should actually be "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan"? I just found that on the SFBC hardcover edition which means that it's also true for the original Tor hardcover edition. That means the canonical title should be "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan". Also, does your pb copy happen to show the cover artist as just "Royo" instead of "Luis Royo" like the SFBC dust jacket does? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:37, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: My copy has the subtitle, although it's also vaguely a series position designator. Back cover has 'Cover art by Royo'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:14, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::In that case, if you don't object, I'm going to submit edits to change all the titles, including the canonical title, map, cover, etc. to "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan". I'll also change the artist to just "Royo" and variant if necessary. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:48, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Accidental Earth ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+accidental+earth%22; Printed in Canada on copyright, printed in U.S.A. on back, what does your copy say, this may be Canadian edition which can be entered by me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has "Printed in United States of America" on the copyright page, and "Printed in the U.S.A." on the back cover. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:19, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I entered a new record, copy-and-pasted your notes and added a new note about printing info, and added a C to the price. Cover is ragged so no sense uploading it; maybe someone will see this and upload from their own Canadian copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beauty (Pocket Books) ==<br />
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Hello, Glenn. Happy St. Patrick's Day, if you're observant. For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267522 this book], the tree (?) on the right of the cover looks like it's initialed HB. Could the artist be Harry Bennett? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 18:13, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I agree that the initials 'hb' are present. I've looked at various covers on ISFDB credited to Harry Bennett, and it seems plausible, but I have no evidence to declare certainty. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Science Fiction Stories No. 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32089<br><br />
discussion: https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Star_SF_Stories_.233<br><br />
I'm planning to give the edition [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/3/3e/STRSTRSN4B1954.jpg this new cover]<br><br />
--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:49, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Drake/Morris' The Fourth Rome ==<br />
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When you have a free moment, could you please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Drake.2FMorris.27_The_Fourth_Rome this discussion], which affected the way the cover artist of your verified pub was credited? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolves of London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575595; I changed 460 pages to 464. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:15, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mutant Files Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644894; I think the viii in page count shouldn't be there because the next page is 9; 320 is total number of pages including the Roman ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Check out the discussion at https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Olympus Olympus. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:48, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Something About a Glossary ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5665025; A mod approved a huge number of my edits today, more than usual, but this is the only one that was rejected. I honestly can't remember anything about it but you are the active PV, I think the other one is gone, so if you can decipher what I was trying to add you can decide whether you think it's important and enter your own edit(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Edits added for the series. Each books has the glossary, but adds entries from book to book. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:20, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Should they be "Glossary", not "Glossry"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:34, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Seems likely. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:43, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasy 2002 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13199; WorldCat ID leads to a page with a different ID so should it be updated? Also, the e-book on WorldCat has "ix" so that should be added to page count since intro is also a Roman numeral. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The worldcat link points to a page with a book with the same ISBN. The cover image doesn't match, but that's not an issue for the ISFDB entry. I've submitted an edit for the roman page count. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:24, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Baen's Spider Reprints ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
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I'm doing some cleanup on {{Series|24801|The Spider}} series and I see that we have a subseries for the Baen omnibus editions, {{Series|27387|The Spider (Baen)}}. I see a few issues with how we have this set up. First off, I don't know that the series should be numbered. I've have the first book in the series, {{P|99311|The Spider: Robot Titans of Gotham}}, and I haven't found any indication that it is numbered. Could you check your verified copy of {{P|839668|he Spider: City of Doom}} and see if they indicate that it is number 2 in a series? If Baen did support a separate numbering for their omnibus editions, I would argue that a publication series would be better than a title series. Assuming that they do not number them, I don't see a need for a subseries at all. Rather I think these should simply be part of the regular series. That way, we could use the content field on the title record to show which novels are included. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No numbering present. I'm ok with your suggestion. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:28, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Monadic Universe ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, I'll be adding the Reginald3 ID# to your PD'd {{P|44250|pub}}. Reginald states the pages as xx+167 and looking at the titles pagination, I suspect yours should be same. If it is the same, I can add that change to my edit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:21, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:31, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) Thanks for the quick reply! Will do. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:00, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Also adding Reg3# to {{P|277309|The Omega Point Trilogy}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:52, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zeddies - Deathgift ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|9587|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I do those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:19, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No need when adding external links like these. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:45, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your helpful reply. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:47, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The City and the Stars ==<br />
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Glenn, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672926 this submission] affecting one of your verified publications. Are you okay with it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:32, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok in general, but it seems that the notes should indicate that the publication has no credits/signatures, and provide the information providence. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree, in fact I restored a similar note in one of the other publications. What about importing the existing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3162956 COVERART title] instead, thereby preserving your note. We could add a note along the lines of; "Cover artist identified by the current owner of the original artwork." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:46, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:38, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Berbora ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5686924; I replaced cover with brighter one on Bookscans. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wizard's Eleven ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, BanjoKev [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Tepper_-_Wizard.27s_Eleven pointed] me to the pagecount of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55143 Wizard's Eleven]. I checked my copy, and the pagecount should indeed be xiv+187. Do you mind if I change this? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:47, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:19, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Yellow Fraction ==<br />
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You are PV for https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50846. I submitted metadata for it (actual SBN on the spine & unstated first edition, & Goodreads external ID). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 04:26, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthgrip ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5692901; LCCN confusion; your copy has the same (incorrect) number, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:56, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Same LCN. I noticed that your edit doesn't include the html markup that the rest of the notes use. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:51, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tepper - Southshore ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, could you please check the cover artist title spelling "Chrstensen" {{P|31357|here}}, it looks like a typo (it's "Christensen" in the notes) but I wanted to make sure. If it is, is it alright with you if I correct it and then merge it with the {{T|142450|1987-06-00 title}}? Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:35, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Sure. I added the note, but didn't notice that the pre-existing cover artist was misspelled. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 02:34, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Submitted, thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:05, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Medusa Encounter Possible Duplicate ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
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I'm looking at your {{P|842745|verified copy}} of ''The Medusa Encounter'', and it looks like it may be a duplicate of {{P|3127|this record}}. Is there something I'm missing? If it is a duplicate, you can move your verification to the other record and we can delete the extra copy. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Note the different location for "Infopak Technical Blueprints". I assumed a significant enough difference to clone. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:52, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Upon further thought, I could just add a note to the other record indicating the alternate location, if you'd prefer. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:00, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the explanation. I think it's OK how you did it. It was just a little hard to pick out that difference between the two records. Since they're both first printings, although different states, I'll copy the external IDs over to your record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:23, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Dark Dominion'' cover ==<br />
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Glenn, I've added the full wraparound cover for David Duncan's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8809 Dark Dominion], to illustrate that the cover of Arthur C. Clarke's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36941 The Challenge of the Spaceship] is a variant, something that was not evident before. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:35, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starcrossed ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217017; Copy on Archive.org says $1.75 on front cover. Does yours say $1.50? There doesn't seem to be any indication of their copy being a later printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:26, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy is $1.75. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 05:28, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Witches; First edition needs cover artist. Can you check your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Cover artist is not credited in my copy. (Perhaps a signature is buried somewhere in the artwork itself, but I can't find it). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:28, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Future We Wish We Had ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?940545; Title ends with War, not Wars. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alcheringia ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44017; LCCN not on Library of Congress website, should be removed and put in Notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251365; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link and the LCCN that's on the copyright page. If your copy has the author as Paul V. Dallas on title page you should change it and there are Roman numerals that should be added although they go from xi to xiii in this copy so if yours does, too, you should make a note of that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Highwaymen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17090; While adding Archive.org link I also fixed title, it's & Rogues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:20, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:32, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Martin & Tuttle / Windhaven ==<br />
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You have PVd the 1st US pb edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251127 Windhaven]. Could you please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Martin_.26_Tuttle_.2F_Windhaven this thread]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:03, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Face ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737168; Old cover was the wrong one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Garden ==<br />
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added artist. Source https://laberintogris.com/es/luis-royo-80s-90s/1342-luis-royo-original-el-jardin-los-viajeros-de-startrek-3.html [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 12:38, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Be the Serpent ==<br />
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In {{P|957658|Be the Serpent}}, there are two cover records. Was this intentionally or does one need to be removed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Not sure how I did it, but I've submitted an edit to remove the dup. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:08, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nicoji ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23891; It's Don Clavette on copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:06, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I don't follow the point you're trying to make here. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:24, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Point is that whoever entered artist entered the wrong first name so I left a message on all active PV's boards to let them know; one of them fixed it as you can see. That's one of the things I do here, correct all the countless mistakes that have been sitting unnoticed for years because PV don't bother to check that all the info in the book they're verifying is actually correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:22, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The last edit I see is from 2021. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:37, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?141275. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== King Dragon ==<br />
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A quick note about your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244329 verified first printing of ''King Dragon''], which states that the number of pages is 278. I have a copy of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244333 undated second printing] and the last numbered page is 277. The page that follows it is not numbered and contains a full-page illustration.<br />
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[[Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages]] says the following about this scenario:<br />
* ...you may record the count of unnumbered pages at the end of a publication. For example, 320+[4]. As before, only do this if there is additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record, as when there is an afterword or book excerpt which appears on unnumbered pages.<br />
I suppose a full-page illustration counts as "content". However, we don't have a separate Title record for it since all 50 (!) illustrations are covered by a single INTERIORART Title, so the Help condition "requires the creation of a content record" is not satisfied.<br />
Based on the above, I have updated the "Pages" field of my verified record to say "277" and the Note field to say:<br />
*The last numbered page is 277. The following page is not numbered and contains a full-page illustration.<br />
Does this match your understanding of how the quoted Help sentences apply in this case? Thanks for checking.<br />
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P.S. I will leave an identical note on the other active verifier's Talk page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:51, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Updated, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:17, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wilson Tucker / The Lincoln Hunters ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43095 The Lincoln Hunters] and will add the Author's Note and pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:12, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Castle Keeps ==<br />
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You PV'd this edition: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244357 I submitted note to moderator: Submitting pub note additions (Berkley Pub. Corp., assumed 1st ed., number on spine), & Goodreads external ID. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 03:39, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Brand New World ==<br />
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You PV'd this edition: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253 I just sent in the following: Submitting web page 1 (blog article) & Goodreads external ID for this edition. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:35, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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You PV'd the following edition: https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25003 I sent this in to moderators: Submitting two web pages (Wikipedia, blog retrospective review) & Goodreads external ID. I met Bob in 1982 while I was living in London. Nice guy. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:49, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== <b>Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2</b> ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:07, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The publication has "Cover Art by Ed Valigursky" on the copyright page of "The Ballad of Beta-2" side. "Cover Art by Jack Gaughan" on the "Alpha Yes, Terra No!" side copyright page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:07, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out now. Marriott may have read the inside credit for the illustration and got them mixed up. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:48, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sanctuary ==<br />
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Glenn, I'm holding submissions adding Keith Birdsong as cover artist to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3863 all three] publications (no support provided). Your verification [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32561 here] makes you the only active PV. I was able to find this [https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/keith-birdsong-star-trek-61-sanctuary-1878025596 listing]. If you think this is sufficient, would you mind submitting an edit adding the credit and modifying the notes? After approving your submission, I will approve the submissions adding the same credit to the other two pubs. Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:47, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:02, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Touch the Stars: Emergence ==<br />
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I would like to change the title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25678 Touch the Stars: Emergence] to simply "Emergence" since "Touch the Stars" is a series. I'd do the title and both existing publications (for one of which you were a PV). Any objections? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:59, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sounds fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:23, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yolen - Dragonfield and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, re your PV for {{P|11111|this pub}}, as Reginald3 gives the page count as xiii+241,could you check yours? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:06, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Mine's the same. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:56, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, in that case, I'll submit an edit. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:16, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Norton - 'Ware Hawk ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, with regard to {{P|24|this pub}}, I've posted to Dirk P Broer's page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Norton_-_.27Ware_Hawk here] and would appreciate your input. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:17, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Once a Hero ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3915; Cover artist needs importing into TP. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:34, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magical Beginnings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21165; If intro starts on 13 the Roman numbers in page count should be removed since numbering is continuous. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:48, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been given advice in the past that this is fine as is. The rules don't seem to directly address this case, however. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:40, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Veiled Web ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?280456; I added links to original PB and TP editions where artist is Nielson; does your printing really say Nielsen or is it Nielson (in which case it needs fixing)? PV of TP incorrectly entered Nielsen so I left a note asking her to fix it if her copy says the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:11, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edits submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:01, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}} and {{P|44001|The Med Series}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:44, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Iseult ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18696; 3 PV, you're the only active one, I just added archived link in a PENDING edit, do you think the subtitle on title page should be added as part of the title? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Unkindness of Ravens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2523; PENDING edit with archived link, page count is 234, not 236; needs fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: My copy has pages numbered up through 236. Story ends on 233, Notes and Acks on 234, and an excerpt for the next volume on pages 235 and 236. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:48, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Copy has p. 234 then inside back cover so I'm going to assume, like a lot of uploaded copies that are old or ex-library, it's ragged and the last 2 pages fell out/were ripped out. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Devils'' ==<br />
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A quick note about our mutually verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178105 ''Devils'']. It turns out that the artist's initials, "JK", appear in the lower right corner, although they are hard to see. The Notes field has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:34, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conjurer's Curse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262265; I let another PV know that they had 2 books in the Belmont New Shadow series that now have unstable Amazon "G" images that should be replaced; a search reveals that this book that you PV is the only other one with a "G" so maybe you can replace it with Bookscans cover on this page, http://bookscans.com/Publishers/belmont/belmont3.htm, or somewhere else if you can find a better one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:45, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I've replaced it with a scan of my copy's cover. (when edit is accepted). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 01:19, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Freeman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40206; Archive.org copy linked in my PENDING edit, ISBN on inside front cover and back cover is OK but the one on copyright page is wrong, 21674 instead of 26174, if yours is the same you may want to mention that in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:46, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:12, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chromosomal Code ==<br />
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You are a PV for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37082 I just submitted this edit to moderators: Submitting External ID (Goodreads) & web page 1 (a statement from the author on how he wrote this novel). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:59, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Five Worlds ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801798; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801801; I have PENDING edits for 2 of the books in Al Sarrantonio's Five Worlds trilogy; #2, Journey, is not to be found so hopefully someone will upload it soon so people can read the series in order. You wouldn't happen to have a copy, would you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:26, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have a copy of Journey, as I've PVed it. What do you mean by uploading it? It's under copyright. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:02, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Just noticed the archive.org site mentioned. Not sure what to think about it. Seems a bit sketchy. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:05, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Masters of Mars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25817; I added archived link to Queen back in May, just added link in a PENDING edit to Haydn (which was uploaded in 2011 so I'm not sure why I didn't add that link when I added Queen), but, as with his Five Worlds series, #2, Sebastian, is missing. Do you have a copy? Also, title dates and book dates for the Mars books don't match so either dates on copyright pages or Amazon dates should be used for all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:38, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have copies of all the books in this series. (All PV'd by me). The dates on the pub records match the dates on the copyright pages. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:08, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Survival Margin ==<br />
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● I added a new cover image to your verified listing of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269091 Survival Margin] from my copy. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 04:49, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Did You Say Chicks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10111; Archive.org copy uploaded way back in 2011 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; editor has no middle initial on title page or anywhere else except contents page and editor's story's title page so editor's name should be fixed if your copy is the same. Also, ISBN on copyright page and back cover are different so a note should be made of that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:44, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duplicate Reginald Numbers ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG -<br />
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I'm going to add a note to your verified record {{P|3346|Aubade for Gamelon}}. The catalog number assigned for your publication in {{Reginald3}} is also assigned to a second book. There are a few of these mistakes in Reginald and I'm adding notes cross referencing the two publications. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Genesis Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15204; Rick Lieder has a few credits as by Leider here so I'm trying to make variants but for this book there's no credit inside and the cover is signed Lieder on lower right corner so I think it should be changed to that, no variant. EDIT: Oddly, this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4661, does actually credit him on copyright page and it does say Leider so I'll have to make that a variant. Also, there might be a signature on the cover next to the word Grant but it's hard to tell what it spells. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?985709; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and it says Leider with no signature on the cover that I can see. Finally, Winter Knight has Lieder on copyright page and was entered as such but this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?986241, also has Lieder, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/aqQAAOSwUbpgxW7y/s-l1600.jpg], but was entered here as Leider so that should be changed, too, no variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best Time Travel Stories of All Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35928; I have 2 PENDING edits adding Archive.org links to both editions of this book and the PB says "December 2003" on copyright page, not March 2004. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:19, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nine Horrors and a Dream Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24316; While doing some J. P. Brennan edits I noticed FantLab's cover was a bit better (bigger and better-framed; ID fully visible on top left) so I replaced Bookscans cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:49, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyteen hardcover ==<br />
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Would you object if I make the following changes to the hardcover edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen]? Change the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Whoops! I was just reminded that these should be Roman numerals in this case. So the page count would be [vii]+680 and the maps would be on [vi] and [vii]. Sorry for any confusion! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:13, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:28, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Juggler ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42347; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link, LCCN, and $5.95 price. You entered Canadian price correctly in the notes so I assume your entry of $4.95 for the US price was just a mistake and it doesn't say that in your copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:47, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Not needed, I fixed price in my edit as explained above so when yours comes up in the queue mod will just reject it with an "already done" note, I was just letting you know because you are the PV; I assume since you did make the edit that it really is $5.95 (if it isn't I'd just cancel my edit and do it over without fixing the price). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Empire by Orson Scott Card ==<br />
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Added an image for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219865 your verified pub]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:05, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Messiah Stone ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=messiah-stone; 5 PV, you're the only active one, as can be seen in the archived copy it does not say "second printing" on copyright page but number line does end with a 2. Does this look like your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:57, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: Yes, my copy only has the number line ending in 2. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks, I'll add the archived link, one of the other PV must have added the wrong info (or maybe they have some copy that actually says second printing, we'll probably never know because 2 are deceased and 2 have been gone from here for years). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sherwood Game ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47066; No M. on title page. EDIT: Cover is bad with name on top hard to see; new one should be uploaded. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Glenn<br />
:I've double checked my copy and I'm going to proceed with changing the author credit. Let me know if you have any concerns about that change. There is a bit of scratching on the cover of my copy and I'm not really able to get a better scan of the cover. I've no objections if you can get a better scan and wish to replace the existing one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:17, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I had to use my light box to get a plausible scan of the cover. Metallic ink covers are a pain to deal with. Uploaded. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:50, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Child of the Eagle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6779; No M. on title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Glenn<br />
:I'm changing this one too after checking my copy. Again, let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:21, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Edwin Herdes? ==<br />
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Hi! Is it really Herdes who is credited with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1158 this publication]? (Later publications in the title series have Edwin Herder). If you have the time to look it up: that'd be appreciated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: "Cover illustration by Edwin Herdes" on copyright page for my copy. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:24, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Also Herdes on copyright page of Archive.org copy which I linked to in a PENDING edit. Also linked 2nd novel in the series which says Herder. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:27, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Conan and the Amazon ==<br />
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Does {{P|218737|Conan and the Amazon}} have a date for the second printing? You typically note all printing statements and you didn't add one in your submission. If not, I will add a pub note stating the source is Locus1 (I double checked that was the source). Let me know. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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Same question with {{P|332203|Conan the Formidable}} & {{P|208345|Conan the Relentless}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:55, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: No date specified in the book. Just the number line. I've dithered about later printings with specific dates, but providence not specified in the notes.<br />
: Sometimes I've taken the approach of (approximately) "Publication date from mysterious source, confirmed by Amazon.com as of xxxx-xx-xx". <br />
: Sometimes I just don't note it at all. <br />
: However, I do look through the edit history, and if I can find where the date got added to the record, and the source is noted, I'll add that. But usually it's a change with no source info.<br />
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: Suggestions? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::If you can find a source, you can just use the source so for your example above I would make it "Publication date from Amazon.com as of xxxx-xx-xx". If you cannot find a source, I would put "Source of publication date unknown". Both make it clear that there was not a date in the pub and it is coming from a secondary source. If the pub has a Locus1 secondary verification, then the source is likely from [https://www.locusmag.com/index/ here]. That is where I found these three. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:20, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Cancelling Submissions ==<br />
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In processing your last batch of submissions, I came across a couple of cases where you had duplicative submissions. In both cases, it seemed there was an error in the first one so you submitted a second one without the error. If this happens again, it would help if you cancel the first submission. That makes it much easier to moderate. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:27, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: That's normally my process. Sorry I missed a few. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:14, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== In the Light of Sigma Draconis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1452<br />
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hello there i'm asking the other active pv and you if you mind if I Make a couple of changes to this book which I own ie change the page number to xvi+237 and say that the last unnumbered page has an illustration of the starship described in appendix B. Also change the page number for the start of the novel to xii as it starts with a poem on this page and then has xiii-xv as a prologue. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:08, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XVIII ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34048; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit noticed 320 page count was wrong so fixed it to 308. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:07, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XIX ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34041; I added archived link, uploader noted wrong page and they're right, what should be p. 149 is actually p. 151, so you may want to write a note about that if it's the same in your copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:25, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bard III ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3594; Cover is unstable so I replaced it in a PENDING edit with current Amazon cover which looks good and shows more of the art on the right side. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Dhampire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10072; The artist is mentioned in the comment link but was never entered in the record so you may want to do that and cut-and-paste the comment note into the record's note; also, the image is unstable so you could replace that if you can find one as good or better. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Edit and cover scan submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 03:12, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Microcosm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216925; PENDING edit with archived link and fixed page count of 339. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:37, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bone Doll's Twin - verify cover art on your edition ==<br />
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Hi there, before I do any cover image update on the pub, I'm double checking with the other active verifiers of Bone Doll's Twin 1st edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36253 mass market paperback] - would you be able to double check that your edition has the gold-backed title like this amazon image? [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71e9CvGwKTL.jpg]. My library copy does, which is why I'm looking to correct the one the pub is showing. To my knowledge the black-backed title on the cover is from later printings. Thanks! [[User:Kapotun|Kapotun]] ([[User talk:Kapotun|talk]]) 19:07, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has white lettering on a metallic gold background. I've recently gotten a better light box and can get a reasonable cover image for the publication record. New image uploaded. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 04:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for confirming and uploading the new image! [[User:Kapotun|Kapotun]] ([[User talk:Kapotun|talk]]) 10:05, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / With a Finger in My I ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55056 With a Finger in My I] and propose to: 1) change the coverart record to the name as stated in book and make "Mati Klarwen" an alternate name of "Mati Klarwein". 2) Change story title "The Crystal Castle" to "This Crystal Castle". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 10:05, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:13, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Best Science Fiction of the Year #4 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4166<br />
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hi there i'm just letting the active pvs know that i'm correcting the note for this one where it says 25429 to 24529 [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:01, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / A Season for Slaughter ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1097 A Season for Slaughter] and will add in the interview on page 557. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:16, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SWVSS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30563; Archive.org link added in PENDING edit, copyright page says art by G-Force Design so either they should be added as cover artist or at least mentioned in a note, they have several ISFDB credits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:41, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Phantoms of the Night ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895535; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit I made some changes fixing Cantrell name, Morgan name/title, 2 missing story lengths. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Glenn, I'm holding the submission pending you approval or rejection(or partial rejection). Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:35, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:21, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Witch of the Dark Gate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?237429; PENDING Archive.org link, fixed count to 175. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Beyond ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of: Rudam, Dirk P Broer, Spacecow, GlennMcG<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4294 Beyond]. The only source for the cover artist is the abbreviated signature "Suss" on the artwork itself. In this situation, the coverart record should be under the artist's canonical name, not an alternate name. Hence I will change the coverart record from "Beyond by Art Sussman [as by Arthur Sussman]" to "Beyond by Art Sussman"<br />
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FYI: coincidentally, there is a current discussion related to this topic (but for a different publication) [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Secondary_source_artist_credit_in_face_of_credit_change_over_time here]. In his post at 11:33, 19 February 2024 (EST), Ahasuerus has created a very useful table showing 'What we enter in the "Artist" field'. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:45, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Some of Your Blood ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?230029 Some of Your Blood] and will supply the month: 1961-01-00 and state the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360893 Galactic Central Bibliography]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:35, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Future Crimes ==<br />
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I accepted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5810380 this edit] based on the Internet Archive scan which shows the Roman numerals. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:52, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Return ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801801 this edit] which I am holding that impacts your verified pub. Do you agree with the addition of the author's note? I assume it was based on the Internet Archive scan, but the scan is now showing as "Borrow Unavailable" so I cannot confirm that. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:https://archive.org/details/return00sarr/page/283/mode/1up?q=author%27s&view=theater. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:31, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ''Cyber Way'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted a couple of submissions adjusting the page count and importing a trailing Author's Note in your verified {{P|8489|Cyber Way}}. Please review and adjust if necessary. I am leaving this same note for the other active PVer as well. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:57, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Beloved Exile ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3985; After doing about 40 edits for Parke Godwin books tonight I came across a problem with this one in that the real artist for the original and some reprints was actually Heide Oberheide, not Canty. It says so on the original's copyright page and you can see her last name at the cover's bottom depending on how the image is framed (some get cut off). Since PV of other edition with this cover is long gone it's up to you to decide what you want to do. Obviously she should be added to the original and Canty removed but if later printings/editions really do say Canty then one of those "(in error)" variants would probably be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I've submitted an edit to my PV'd record describing Oberheide as the artist. Also replaced cover image with a better crop. Seems like the art record should get changed to Oberheide and an in-error added to the other printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 01:52, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Beloved Exile cover question ==<br />
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Hi. I made all of those changes. But in reviewing them, I notice the Archive.org copy of the first Bantam printing says "Heidi" Oberheide, not "Heide". What does you copy say? Thanks --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== The Witch of Maracoor ==<br />
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Hello and welcome again!<br />
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I had to reject [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5563879 this one] - books are only eligible to be added 90 days before their publication. Publishers change their plans too often so adding earlier than that is rarely practical. Feel free to resubmit this one in early July. Thanks and let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:19, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Snow Tiger ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|951166|Snow Tiger}}, but I made two changes to it. The important change was the link to the cover image. Your original submission had a link to a site where we do not have linking permission (see [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Image_URL|this help]]), so I changed it to use a link to the cover on Amazon.com. Please check and confirm that is the correct image. Also, while I was on Amazon.com I noticed they have a price of $12.00, so I added that with a note as to the source. Please correct it if that is wrong (and adjust the notes). If your copy is priced $12, you can also delete the note about the price's coming from Amazon. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:52, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?953363 Jewels of Darkover] ==<br />
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Hi, there slipped some things through upon approving this anthology: you added [only as Rosemary and India Edghill] and [only as Leslie Roy Carter and Margarte L. Carter] to the list of authors of two of the items: in the first case we do recognize the 'and' as diferentiating the two authors to 'Rosemary Edgehill' and 'India Edghill' (like we do - for exmaple - for Arkady & Boris Strugatsky --> 'Arkady Strugatsky' and 'Boris Strugatsky'). For the second case we do record the spelling of the credit, even if it's a typo error. Please don't add things like the two mentioned aboveixed. I fixed those two & varianted the 'Margarte' to the parent Margaret L. Carter.<br />
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I also corrected two spellings of titles according to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title our rules of capitalization] ('Berry-thorn, Berry-thorn' --> 'Berry-Thorn, Berry-Thorn' and 'Nor Iron Bars A Cage' --> 'Nor Iron Bars a Cage'). Please take some time to read the rules more closely. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:28, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alliance-Union sub-series ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submissions ordering some of the sub-series of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?267 Aliiance-Union]. I made one change: You assigned #7 to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?932 Mri Wars], but according to the summary on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._J._Cherryh_bibliography#The_Alliance%E2%80%93Union_universe Wikipedia], that should be #6, and #7 is a missing "Era of Rapprochement". I [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70449 added that] and changed Mri Wars to #6. Please adjust if you think that is incorrect. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:55, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Codex Derynianus ==<br />
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I have rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5632667 this submission] as there are only two titles in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?10245 Deryni Magic] series, and we don't have single-title series. You're welcome to discuss this with the [[User talk:Rtrace|the primary verifier]] if you think the series name should be changed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:36, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary Stewart Merlin / Arthurian Saga series ordering ==<br />
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Hi. I have two of your submissions on hold, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5677466 The Wicked Day] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5677467 The Prince and the Pilgrim], that propose to swap the order of these two in the series. What source do you have for that change? Everything I can find says ''The Wicked Day'' is fourth and ''The Prince and the Pilgrim'' is fifth, although events in the latter are set before events in the former. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:56, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, I have no idea if I'm doing this right as I couldn't find any instructions in the help files about how to reply to a user talk.<br />
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:As to the order of he two books... that's the whole point: the events of "The Prince and the Pilgim" take place before "The Wicked Day", so in the series internal order, "The Prince and the Pilgrim" is fourth and "The Wicked Day" is fifth. The writing order is the opposite, of course. At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince_and_the_Pilgrim it is stated that "The tale is a self-contained novel taking place during Arthur's reign (possibly during the events in The Last Enchantment), and does not continue the story of The Wicked Day. It covers the time before Merlin the Enchanter's defeat." --[[User:Piedro01|Piedro01]] ([[User talk:Piedro01|talk]]) 23:53, 8 December 2023 (EET)<br />
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::You did fine! :) To better separate different comments, it helps to indent each comment/response an additional level by adding leading colons (":"), one per level. I added that to your reply and am using two colons on this response, which will let you see how that looks. For this particular numbering situation, the title series numbering should reflect the "official" series order, not the ordering of events. Amazon clearly labels [https://www.amazon.com/Wicked-Day-Arthurian-Saga-Book/dp/0060548282 The Wicked Day] as Book 4 and [https://www.amazon.com/Prince-Pilgrim-Arthurian-Saga-Book/dp/0449224430 The Prince and the Pilgrim] as Book 5, but Amazon isn't official for anything. I poked around on the publisher's site and found [https://www.hodder.co.uk/titles/mary-stewart-6/the-wicked-day/9781444737547/ The Wicked Day]. The last line of the description there is:<br />
:::"''Mary Stewart's stunning Arthurian Saga began with ''The Crystal Cave'', ''The Hollow Hills'', ''The Last Enchantment'' and ''The Wicked Day''. It concludes with ''The Prince & the Pilgrim''.''"<br />
::which is rather definitive about the ordering. There is also [https://www.hodder.co.uk/titles/mary-stewart-6/the-prince-and-the-pilgrim/9781444737561/ The Prince and the Pilgrim] which says it is the "final installment" of the Arthurian Saga.<br />
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::So based on your feedback and that additional information, I think what we should do is leave the series numbering as it is but incorporate the time ordering information in the title notes. I am going to reject those two proposed changes and make adjustments to the titles' notes. Let me know if you disagree, and we can discuss further -- it will be easy to recover those changes. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::The publisher's as well Amazon's blurbs refer to the publishing order, of course. It is what it is, defined by the publication date. That doesn't need any series title numbering. What the series numbering is needed for is just to bring forth the internal chronological order of the titles in the series. And here "The Prince and the Pilgrim" clearly comes before "The Wicked Day". In "The Prince and the Pilgrim" King Arthur is still alive: the novel is about how the Prince Alexander whose father has been murdered by his uncle, King Mark of Cornwall, sets out to travel to Camelot to seek justice from the High King Arthur. In page 333 of "The Prince and the Pilgrim" (my copy is the Hodder & Stoughton Coronet mass market paperback edition, ISBN 0-340-65411-2) in the Epilogue there is a line "Alexander was already deep in the other letter, which was indeed from the High King. It was long, beautifully penned by Arthur's scribe. In it the King thanked Alexander---" and then goes on to mention Arthur's "trusted nephew Mordred". In "The Wicked Day", King Arthur dies by the hand of the said Mordred. So which one comes officially first, Arthur living or Arthur dying? --[[User:Piedro01|Piedro01]] ([[User talk:Piedro01|talk]]) 3:49, 10 December 2023 (EET)<br />
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:::: I return to this ordering issue. According to the ISFDB "Field-by-field guide to creating and updating publication records":<br />
::::"'''Series Num'''<br />
::::'''Series Number''' - If you know the order in which the titles in the series are supposed to be read, you can number them starting with 1. You can use decimal numbers like 4.5 to place a title between the titles numbered 4 and 5. No Roman numerals (like I or IV) or letters (like "1a" or "A") are allowed. Please note that some series are very linear (e.g. Harry Potter) and it's easy to tell how to assign series number to individual entries. ''Other series can have multiple possible numbering schemes reflecting the series' publication order, '''''internal chronological order''''', intended publication order, "author recommended" order'', etc."<br />
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::::This is what I had in mind when updating the series numbering. We do not need numbering to reflect the publcation order. We can figure that order just fine from the year of the publication which is shown right there next to the title of the publication. What the numbering should be used in this situation is to reflect the internal chronological order of the series. That should be entirely fine, if I read the Help files correctly. If I have misunderstood something, can you please explain, what? I have seen numerous entries in ISFDB where the series numbering has been used exactly the way I was using it. How do those particular situations differ from this particular situation? --[[User:Piedro01|Piedro01]] ([[User talk:Piedro01|talk]]) 5:09, 1 March 2024 (EET)<br />
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:::::I apologize. I lost track of this. Let me seek some additional opinions about it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:23, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Hi again. I checked with the other moderators (see [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Series_ordering_help|here]]), and the recommendation is to discuss this series' numbering on the [[ISFDB:Community_Portal|Community Portal]]. In fact, the next sentence in that Help text you cited says to do that when wanting to change the way a series is numbered if there is "ambiguity" around which numbering scheme is appropriate. So that is the process to follow in this case. I don't know how game you are for that. I'd be happy to do it in your stead, using some of what you say here, if you would be uncomfortable. Whichever of us posts it, one thing I would suggest is framing the topic as a request to change the order (or a statement that the order should be changed) rather than an open-ended "How should this series be numbered?" sort of question. Then at some point we can call the question and get a clear "yes change it" or "no don't change it" answer. Let me know how you would like to proceed. I can see you feel strongly about it, and I'm happy to help. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:59, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover image links ==<br />
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When adding links for cover images to a publication, please be sure to follow the guidelines on [[ISFDB:Image linking permissions]]. We can only "hotlink" to specific sites that have given us permission to do so. If the site isn't on that list, you will need to [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki|upload it yourself]]. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:38, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== H. P. Lovecraft Wordsearch ==<br />
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Does [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09MZ1DHY6?ref_=dbs_m_mng_rwt_calw_tpbk_0&storeType=ebooks&asin=B09MZ1DHY6&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1 H. P. Lovecraft Wordsearch: Eldritch Wordsearch Puzzles in the World of the Cthulhu mythos] belong on this site? If so, how would it be listed? Just a listing of the book without the content? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:04, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I would enter it as NONFICTION and add a Note to the effect that, in addition to the puzzles, it contains a brief Lovecraft biography and an (also brief) secondary bibliography. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:54, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I hope [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?963829 this] is correct. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:47, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You noted two pieces of bibliographical nonfiction, but there is only one (an introduction) listed in that publication. I don't see any pending submissions for it, either. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:34, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:33, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Creating a separate page (linked) out of a publication's notes? ==<br />
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I'm trying to find out how to add a link in an individual publication's Notes which leads to a Wiki page where I can record a lot (5 book pages-worth) of biblio data about the pub. I'm not finding anything obvious in the template Help pages ([https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Header_templates here] & [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PubHeader here]). If the answer's in the latter, I'm not seeing how to use it... Is it even possible? Advice please, Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:23, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Create the wiki page, then link it as you would link any other page outside of the server - in the Web Pages field. One warning though - we have a multi-year project going on migrating data out of the wiki and into the DB (so a lot of these templates are now obsolete and the code connecting and serving them had been removed from the server) - the archiving and backups of both of them are done differently so if there is a catastrophic failure, we may not be able to restore both. Plus the public site archives do NOT contain the wiki - just covers and the DB. If you still want to create the page though, go ahead -- no template needed - it is just a regular page you then can add to the Web Pages field :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Technically, the automatic link between old publication-specific Wiki comments and related publication records still exists, e.g. see the following line in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RLFTRPTPHR1994 ''Reel Future'']:<br />
::* '''Bibliographic Comments''': View Publication comment (RLFTRPTPHR1994) <br />
:: However, it is based on the pub's "publication tag" (RLFTRPTPHR1994), which is not to be confused with title-based tags like "horror". "Publication tags" are neither visible nor editable anymore. Going forward you will want to do what Annie suggested, i.e. enter any publication-specific Wiki pages that you may decide to create within the ISFDB Wiki in the pub's "Web pages" multi-field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:22, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Oh, right, the publication one is still active - I know a few got killed when most of the existing data was moved. The ID is visible if you start uploading a cover - that’s what is used for the cover file title - so while not editable, they can at least be found if one needs them. However, if a page is added that way, it will just pop up in the cleanup report and someone will need to move the link to the Web Pages anyway so we may as well skip the middle step. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:32, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great, Web page it is then. I'll see what I can do, many thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:57, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Convert an anthology to omnibus ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369095 This pub] and two others I will add are collected into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369153 this pub]. Since all three works were published separately first, should [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369153 this pub] be converted to an Omnibus. If so, I assume I remove all of the contents and then import the associated three pubs. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:55, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://archive.org/search?query=interlyth&sort=-addeddate; You're probably already aware but there's an archived copy available. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:46, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I added the link. I was surprised that only the omnibus was uploaded. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 14:57, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge container ==<br />
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I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3214045 Dr. Jekyll] as a chapbook and then realized it was a novel. I tried to convert the chapbook to a novel, but now I have a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3214045 new container novel]. I've been trying to merge this container with the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28194 actual variant]. So far I've failed to merge this. I was about to delete it all and start over, but I'm hoping someone can help me sort it out. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 19:39, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think if you remove {{T|3214045|this title}} from the publication and then either delete or merge it, you should be fine. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:01, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::That worked. Thanks! Not sure why I didn't try that. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 19:39, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pages ==<br />
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I have a book with an introduction on numbered pages Roman vii to xi. The novel starts on the first numbered page Arabic 1.<br />
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Between the two sections are 3 unnumbered pages, the 2nd of which contains a map which I want to include in the regular titles (the pages either side of it are blank). Advice please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:42, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Pages: xi+[3]+Arabic - Page number of the map is [2]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:06, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As I read [[Template:PubContentFields:Page|this help template]], the map would be on page xiii. For the overall pages field per [[Template:PublicationFields:Pages|this template]], I would add as xi+Arabic count. It specifically states that unnumbered pages between Roman and Arabic pages can be ignored, whereas the first template states that page numbers can be extrapolated for unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages. The only possible question is whether the page the map is on would still be considered to be within the range of the numbered pages. I would consider it so. Despite the fact that the numbering (Roman vs Arabic) changes, it's still an unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:22, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ron, thanks for the correction. Although a content title with a Roman numeral higher than that stated in the pages field seems odd. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:12, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Agreed that it's a little odd. But it's understandable within the context of the help pages. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:55, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::This problem doesn't occur for regular content page counts because blank page(s) beyond the last page are included in the page count. The first template also states that page numbers for unnumbered pages can be derived for Roman-numeraled pages. These points suggest that Pages: could be xii+Arabic and the map page number would be xii. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:24, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::In my opinion, John has supplied the correct and best answer to this case.<br />
::::::Ron refers to bullet point 2 of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages Template:PublicationFields:Pages] which states "Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored.". However, bullet point 3 states "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets.". Nowhere in this bullet point does it state that it does not apply if there are also Roman numeral pages in the pub. You could argue that the two bullet points are contradictory but, to be fair, this unusual case probably wasn't considered when these Help notes were written.<br />
::::::For me, the clincher is: What do you consider constitutes a range of pages? Ron considers that the map falls within one range of numbered pages. I think it falls between two separate ranges of numbered pages. It's not so much that the style of numbering changes (Roman to Arabic). It's more that the values of the page numbers in the first range (vii-xi translates to 7-9) is repeated in the second range (1-999 (or whatever)). To me, that's two ranges. Once you interpret it this way, John's answer makes sense, is not inconsistent with the Help notes and follows the same principles that are used for additional content on unnumbered pages at the end of a book. It also avoids the scenario of having a content title with a Roman numeral higher than that stated in the Pages field which I find very undesirable and confusing for a user.<br />
::::::Doug H's reply does not apply to the case that has been raised. Unnumbered pages beyond the last numbered page are only included in the page count if there is content that starts in the numbered pages and continues onwards into the unnumbered pages. If content that needs to be indexed starts after the last numbered page then its page numbers are denoted in square brackets. See bullet point 3 of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages Template:PublicationFields:Pages] and also the 4th of the 5 examples in this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book How To]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for the comments. John's answer was the one I arrived at before I posted the question. One can look at that value and derive straight away what the layout is. Teallach, I agree with every point you make - I couldn't have set it out better. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:30, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Aeon 14: Title and series issues ==<br />
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I need advice on how to handle a rather complex situation. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?246271 M. D. Cooper] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249808 James S. Aaron] have written 10 novels plus 2 omnibuses in the currently named "Sentience Wars" series (as documented on the [https://www.aeon14.com/series/sentience-wars Aeon14 website]). The novels 1-5 were originally published as part of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?49667 Sentience Wars: Origins] series but are now shown on the author's website as numbers 1-5 of the "Sentience Wars" series. The later four novels are simply shown as numbers 6-9 of the "Sentience Wars" series and have yet to be added to the DB. Two of the novels were originally part of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?51889 Legends of the Sentience Wars] series: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2443987 The Proteus Bridge] and "Vesta Burning" (which has yet to be added to the DB). However, the author's website now shows "The Proteus Bridge" as book 0 of the "Sentience Wars" series. "Vesta Burning" has been renamed "Lyssa's Light" and is shown as number 6 of the "Sentience Wars" series. To add to the complexity, "Vesta Burning" was published as an ebook and an audiobook plus was included in the omnibus "Lyssa's Fire - Sentience Wars Books 4-5 Omnibus: Includes Vesta Burning". The omnibus was later republished as "Lyssa's Fire: The Sentience Wars - Books 4-6 Omnibus Edition" with "Vesta Burning" replaced by "Lyssa's Light" as the third component title.<br />
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Issue 1: "Vesta Burning" / "Lyssa's Light". Should "Lyssa's Light" be considered a variant of "Vesta Burning" or is it a different publication that needs a note referring back to the original name? The Amazon Look-inside view of [https://www.amazon.com/Vesta-Burning-Assault-Mission-Sentience-ebook/dp/B07G4M7Z24/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=1-1 "Lyssa's Light"] has an editor's note at the beginning of the Foreword stating the rename and series change. The title page shows "Lyssa's Light: The Sentience Wars - Book 6". I'm leaning toward making these two separate titles with appropriate notes. Unfortunately, I can't find any information as to exactly when the rename occurred but suspect it was around the same time as "Lyssa's Fire: The Sentience Wars - Books 4-6 Omnibus Edition" was published in February 2019. Advice?<br />
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Issue 2: Series name/numbering. I would like to reorganize the series entries for these books as follows:<br />
<br> > Age of the Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >> 1 The Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >>> 1 Legends of the Sentience Wars<br />
<br> >>>> 1 The Proteus Bridge<br />
<br> >>>> 2 Vesta Burning<br />
<br> >>> 2 Sentience Wars (with a series note "Titles 1-5 were originally part of a discontinued series called 'Sentience Wars: Origins'" and a similar note on each of the title records.)<br />
<br> >>>> titles #1-9<br />
<br>Would this be acceptable?<br />
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Issue 3: Completely reorganize the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?44561 Aeon 14] series to match the author's series and subseries demarcations as shown on the [https://www.aeon14.com/aeon14-books Aeon 14 website]. I think the existing series structure is not particularly useful for a reader and this would be a better organization for this large volume of titles. The top level would remain Aeon 14 and the first level subseries would be:<br />
<br>1 Age of the Sentience Wars <br />
<br>2 Second Age of Colonization<br />
<br>3 Age of Terra<br />
<br>4 Age of the FTL Wars<br />
<br>5 Age of Reconstruction<br />
<br>6 Age of the Orion War<br />
<br>7 Age of the Ascension War<br />
<br>The existing subseries would be moved under the appropriate "Age" subseries and renumbered appropriately. Would this be acceptable?<br />
<br><br>Thanks [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:35, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The first question that comes to mind is "Were the texts changed when the series was reorganized by the author(s)?" If they were, then we could enter them as separate titles and put them in different series the way it was done with {{A|David Wingrove}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?32596 Chung Kuo Universe], which was split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1573 Chung Kuo (original)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30074 Chung Kuo (recasting)].<br />
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: If the texts were not changed, then all identical texts which use different titles should be linked using the variant title system. In the case of Issue 1, "Lyssa's Light" would become a variant of "Vesta Burning".<br />
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: Re: reorganizing the series structure, I don't have a preference. I remember entering some of these books, either manually or via Fixer, but I was just following what was on Amazon and/or on the author's Web page when assigning series numbers. [[User:Chris J]] also did a fair amount of work on the series, so he may be a good person to consult.<br />
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: Unfortunately, this is not an uncommon occurrence. As series grow, their authors and/or publishers occasionally decide that it would be useful to change their structure and/or the recommended reading order. Sometimes they even list entries inconsistently, e.g. a prequel may be listed either as "Book 0" or as "Book 0.5" or not given a number at all. All we can do is pick the numbers/structure that make the most sense and explain the rest in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:51, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: P.S. I should also mention that, as [[Help:Screen:EditSeries]] says:<br />
:* A series can have only one name, so if two or more names are equally well known (e.g. one name is used in the UK and another in Australia), the only option is to list them all in a slash delimited format, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1455 ''Moon Singer / Free Trader / Moon Magic'']<br />
: It doesn't help much when dealing with series reorganizations (as opposed to series renamings), but it's something to keep in mind. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== g. haron davis uses lower case for their name ==<br />
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Like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22680 e. e. cummings], the author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?361205 g. haron davis] uses all lower case for their name. They do so consistently on [https://www.harlequin.com/shop/authors/29388_g-haron-davis.html their Harlequin author page], [https://www.harpercollins.com/blogs/authors/g-haron-davis-20221285357600 their HarperCollins author page], and [https://www.ghdis.me/ their own website].<br />
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Is there a process for getting their canonical name fixed? — [[User:Sylvar|Sylvar]] ([[User talk:Sylvar|talk]]) 13:33, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have checked Amazon Inside's data for the anthology that we have on file and, sure enough, the author is credited as "g. haron davis". I have adjusted the canonical name.<br />
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: Re: the process, some high-impact actions -- like changing an author's canonical name -- are limited to moderators. If you come across similar cases, please request assistance on [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]]. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:31, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thread link missing ==<br />
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Whenever [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Hifrommike65 Mike] posts to talk pages, and it shows up on my watchlist, a link to his posted thread is missing. Have others noticed this and does anyone know why? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:43, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The link is missing because he is not using 'Add topic' to start a new thread. He is using 'Edit' (whole page) or 'Edit' the last thread and adding a new thread title at the bottom. Hopefully he will see this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John, I hope that solves it. :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:54, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry, I'll correct this error. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 18:46, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moving existing publication to different variant title ==<br />
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Is there a process for moving an existing publication record to an existing variant title? For example, publication {{P|339486}} is an English translation of Mikhail Bulgakov's {{T|1020614|Мастер и Маргарита}} translated by Michael Glenny (according to its record notes) but it is linked to the variant title {{T|10458}} for English translations by "an unknown or uncredited hand" when there is a variant title for Michael Glenny's translation {{T|2587871}}. I expect this process will come up a lot when cleaning up translation records. Thanks! -- [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 12:17, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:You have a choice of two methods, both require two submissions.<br />
:* Method One <br />
:: Click on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?10458 title record]. Select 'Unmerge Titles' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Check the box for the 1974 title record. Submit.<br />
:: After the submission is approved, merge the new title with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2587871 this one]. In the note to mod, indicate whether you will submit the merge or you rather the moderator go ahead and do it.<br />
:* Method Two<br />
:: Click on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?339486 publication record].<br />
:: Select 'Import Content' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Under option 2 enter '2587871' and submit. (This is the Glenny translation title record).<br />
:: Select 'Remove Titles From This Pub' from the 'Editing Tools' menu. Select the old container title and submit (This removes the Unknown hands translation and makes Glenny translation the container title).<br />
: The advantage of method 2 is that both edits can be submitted together. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks! I've gone ahead and entered the submissions using Method Two for the example I shared. -- [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 13:33, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:35, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robosoldiers / 2nd printing? ==<br />
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I'm second guessing my cloning to create [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968246 Robosoldiers: Thank Your for Your Servos]. It occurred to me that I had preordered from Amazon, and it kicked on the release date given in the 1st printing record. However, it has a number line indicating a 2nd printing. Upon thought, it seems more likely that the number line is wrong, rather than it having two printings out on the release date. There is no PV for the 1st printing PB record. Perhaps adding the number line to the 1st printing record, and noting the purchase date? Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:41, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Hmmm, not being an expert, but what I think could have happened is that the tp edition is considered 1st printing, and the pb edition considered 2nd printing. If that's the case, the printing line isn't wrong per se (this happens a lot with Dutch publications by the way). Anyway, your proposal makes sense. Keep yours, update with publication date per Amazon as of 2023-04-27, add clarifying notes per your arguments above, and delete the non-PV'd record. If it so happens that there ever is a 1st printing pb edition uncovered, it can still be added. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:28, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I had suggested editing the original (non-PV'd) record, while you're suggesting deleting it. Does it make a difference? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:57, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Not really - only difference is that it would preserve your verification data when keeping your record. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Award Records - How to create new year ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I'd love to add the 2023 Sturgeon Awards to the appropriate stories, but I've been searching and I have no clue on how to add a new year for an Award, etc. I did see one online item for "Help:Screen:EditAward" but I was unable to figure out how to use it or get to the Award Editor.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:57, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Simply add an award record to a title and enter "2023" in the year when doing that. Once the award submission is approved, it will show the new year in the award listing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:15, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Assuming that the first issue is "...unable to figure out how to use it or get to the Award Editor", then you'll want to start by pulling up the Title record that you want to add an award to, then clicking on "Add an Award to This Title" in the navigation bar on the left. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:41, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reversed imprint publisher record ==<br />
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According to the Belgrave House website [https://www.belgravehouse.com/about here], Regency Reads is an imprint. The publisher record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?54054 Belgrave House / Regency Reads] is therefore reversed. I'd like to correct the record to read "Regency Reads / Belgrave House". It will only impact 3 publications. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: You might also check [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49955 these]. It's possible some them should also be 'Regency Reads / Belgrave House'. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:59, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I'll make the change and then check the Belgrave House pubs that I haven't already checked. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:10, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Whoops. Looks like a moderator has to make the change. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:13, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I made the switch for you. If you find that all of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49955 these] are Regency Reads / Belgrave House, I can merge them. Otherwise, just change the pubs one by one. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:22, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::Some are legitimately just Belgrave House. I have changed the ones that should have had the imprint name as well. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:36, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks Phil, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:53, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Links from Social Media ==<br />
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I frequently link to ISFDB as an authoritative repository of SF in print, but the links end up mangled with an equals sign at the end.<br />
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* Is this due to handling of URI addenda?<br />
* Would a fixed rewrite to strip terminal equal signs from URI parameters solve the issue?<br />
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'''Example 1''' (works despite itself):<br />
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* I pasted the link to the Belgariad into Facebook with <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?704><br />
* Clicking on it takes me to <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?704=>, which '''still works'''.<br />
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'''Example 2''' (fails):<br />
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* I pasted the link to ''Pawn of Prophecy'' into Facebook with <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25761><br />
* Clicking on it takes me to <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25761=>, which '''fails'''.<br />
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If Facebook is doing something annoying, it may be best to treat it as a force of nature and adapt. {{unsigned|Gnomon}}<br />
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: Unfortunately, Facebook adding "stuff" to third party URLs is a known issue. We first ran into it in 2018 when Facebook started adding "&fbclid=lots-o-characters" to the end of ISFDB URLs. We addressed it in {{FR|1207}}, "Ignore Facebook tracking IDs", which has more technical details than you are probably interested in.<br />
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: A single trailing "=" sign is new and may or may not confuse our software depending on what kind of Web page is being linked. Most ISFDB pages expect an ISFDB record number and optional "+"-delimited parameters specifying what kind of display format to use. Author and series pages accept both record numbers and author/series names, which may contain a "=" sign. Publication pages accept a publication record number OR an alphabetical "tag". (Publication tags are deprecated, but still supported to be backward compatible.) Finally, Advanced Search pages use a completely different format which uses "=" signs as special characters, e.g. "USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact". This means that "=" characters may or may not be valid depending on the type of the linked page, e.g. we have an author record for "ルイス=キャロル".<br />
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: The good news is that URL processing was centralized a year or two ago, so any tweaks should be easier to implement than was the case in 2018. I'll go ahead and take a closer look. Thanks for reporting the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:36, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have made a software change on the development server. The software now removes trailing "=" characters, but only if the rest of the parameter (i.s. the stuff after "?") is all digits. However, before I deploy it to the main server, could you please provide an example of a Facebook page that has this issue? I'd like to make sure that Facebook is doing what we think it's doing. Thanks in advance. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have updated the main server to strip trailing '=' signs from URLs. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:30, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Please forgive my missing your reply. That fixed the issue. Facebook still occasionally fails to load cover art with a direct link, but I take your point about chasing Facebook's behaviors. Thank you for maintaining this resource. [[User:Gnomon|Gnomon]] 06:56, 11 March 2023 (EDT).<br />
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::::: No worries. Thanks for confirming that the immediate issue has been been fixed! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:09, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Author with Two Different Names Question ==<br />
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Hello, ISFDB.<br />
I have published work under William Gillard and Bill Gillard. Those pages are here:<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?245999<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?197158<br />
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My most commonly used name is Bill Gillard, and I'd like that to be my "main" page. Are we able to combine my pages somehow? <br />
Thank you so very much for helping to maintain this valuable resource!<br />
Bill Gillard {{Unsigned2|23:08, September 8, 2023|Billgillard}}<br />
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: Bill, thanks for bringing this to our attention. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?197158 William Gillard] is now an alternate name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?245999 Bill Gillard]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:32, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The American Weekly Magazine, cover and interior art and stories ==<br />
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Although not strictly a magazine, The Hearst Sunday supplement appeared in 20 newspapers for nearly 50 years and the artists and writers of the stories were also fantasy artists ( Virgil Findlay, Edmund Dulac, Willy Pogany, etc.). Could The American Weekly be added to the magazine list, and the front covers of these artists be listed as 'cover art' as well? Edmund Dulac alone produced 106 covers, Willy Pogany probably the same. Findlay did only one cover, but outstanding interior art, and the first book covering the American Weekly of was his work for the magazine.<br />
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Albert Seligman<br />
Editor<br />
"The American Weekly Covers of Edmund Dulac 1924-1951", Dulacebooks, 2021 {{Unsigned2|11:15, September 10, 2023|Albertcscs}}<br />
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:It should be Virgil Finlay, not Findlay. Also, the one issue of this magazine on ISFDB misspells A. Merritt as A. Merrit in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for identifying the typos. I have updated publication/author/series Notes, added the 1938-04-10 issue and sent a note to SFE with updated information. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:25, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: It looks like there may be two separate issues here: magazine eligibility and cover artist eligibility.<br />
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:: Re: magazine eligibility, [[Help:Entering_non-genre_periodicals]] states that:<br />
::* In many cases a work of speculative fiction has been published in a periodical that does not specialize in such works. In particular, many well-known (and many not so well-known) speculative fiction stories were first published in non-genre periodicals. In such cases it is desirable to record such publications in order to make the bibliography of the story complete. However, the ISFDB is not a general-fiction index and the non-speculative-fiction contents of such a periodical should not be entered.<br />
:: This means that the only issues of ''The American Weekly Magazine'' that are eligible are issues with speculative ''fiction'' content. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?271686 "The American Weekly, April 3, 1938"] included part 1 of {{A|John Hawkins}}'s ''Ark of Fire'', so the 1938-04-03 magazine issue is eligible. According to [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/hawkins_ward SFE], the serialization was completed in the April 10 issue, so we will want to create an ISFDB record for the 1938-04-10 issue as well.<br />
:: Re: cover artist eligibility, in the past we didn't enter cover artists for non-genre magazine issues unless the cover illustrated a work of speculative fiction. This rule was changed in 2022 and all eligible issues of non-genre magazines can have cover artist names entered.<br />
:: Hope this helps! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:56, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Two editions with different text ==<br />
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I'm trying to enter a supernatural romance fantasy book which has two editions from day one, one with explicit erotic content and one without. Does this situation requires anything specific I need to do? [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 15:23, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Do you happen to know how significant the differences are? If they are minor, we could create two Publication records under a single Title record and document any discrepancies in the Notes fields. If they are major, we would need to create two separate Title records with a single Publication record associated with each one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:34, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::IIRC (I read the book last fall), there's two sex scenes that are excised from the "clean" edition. I will also clarify that the two edition have actual different titles, ISBNs and slightly different cover designs (reddish pink vs. blue), BTW --[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 11:31, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::What's the title? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Oh, two different titles. In that case we will want to enter them via two separate "New Novel" submissions, then link the two titles using a "Make This Title a Variant" submission. Since the only textual difference is the presence of two sex scenes, we can document this fact in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:56, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Turns out they may not be ''technically'' different titles, though other differences remain. I would personally treat the "blah blah edition" as part of the formal title for at least one of the versions, since that's how the author chose to do so on Amazon (they did not use "flirting with fangs edition" on the default erotica version). [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 14:55, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Checking [https://joydemorra.com/books/ Joy Demorra's Web site], I see two works which have two separate editions: "True Love Bites", a novel, and "Crewel Intentions", a short story. Each one has a "Fluff and Fangs" edition and a "Flirting With Fangs" edition with the terms defined as follows:<br />
::::::* Flirting With Fangs edition: full romance, lots of kissing, and all the '''steamy scenes''' for those who want them.<br />
::::::* Fluff and Fangs edition: full romance, lots of kissing, and a '''fade to black''' for those who like a little more fluff with their fangs.<br />
:::::: Checking Amazon's Look Inside, I note that "Flirting With Fangs" appears on the title page, which is what we use to determine publication title. I suspect that the best way to enter these books would be with their full titles, e.g. ""True Love Bites: Flirting With Fangs", and then to variant them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Trumpet of the Last Judgment ==<br />
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I have a Spanish title "La trompeta del juicio Final" as it is on ISFDB, but on Spanish language sites it's given as "La trompeta del Juicio Final". How should it be for us, considering the recent agreement about sentence case for Portuguese titles, and maybe Spanish as well...? Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:45, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible to change a title record from ESSAY to INTERVIEW ==<br />
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I'm in the process of adding a fanzine in a language I don't read especially well, and accidentally added one article as an ESSAY, when it should have been an INTERVIEW.<br />
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Is there a way to change the type of that title to INTERVIEW, or should I delete that erroneous ESSAY and add a new INTERVIEW title record to replace it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:23, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You will need to add a new interview record and delete the old essay record. I don't believe there is a way to change types to/from interviews and reviews. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:40, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - given that I've been reprimanded more than once for doing a delete/(re)create, rather than an edit/merge/whatever, I thought I'd better double check first :-) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:05, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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I think I posted this in the wrong place so I will try here:<br />
Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1)) <br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages price: 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy <br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb <br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original) <br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original) <br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb <br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb <br />
page 155 Futureboro (original) <br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction: The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books<br />
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Thank you, Roger<br />
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== Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?53929 Good Omens] short story "[https://web.archive.org/web/20061103202606/http://www.harpercollins.com/author/AuthorExtra.aspx?displayType=essay&authorID=7848 Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions]" by Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman was published in 2006, apparently on the HarperCollins website; would it be eligible for addition to ISFDB? If so, how should the story's publication be added: as a webzine? a chapbook? I don't know if the story has been republished in any books or more traditional publications. But since the story was co-written by Pratchett and Gaiman, it's considered part of the "official" Good Omens book canon by both [https://www.tumblr.com/neil-gaiman/705373626386530304/fuckyeahgoodomens-neil-gaiman-neil-gaiman Gaiman] and fansites like the [https://goodomenslexicon.org/frequently-asked-questions/ Good Omens Lexicon]. <br />
[[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 13:21, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover Images ==<br />
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Well, I'm having problems, and that's all there is to it. I'm finding that I can no longer copy images from Amazon. Is this me, or is this something new? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:46, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Are you referring to the latest mouseover zoom feature for the cover images? I've found that I can still right click while hovering over the zoomed image and select "Copy image address". When I paste the link address into the Image URL field, I now always have to remove the formatting info. I already miss the "See This Image" link which Amazon seems to have removed. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:49, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, this "improvement" sux!!! Plain and simple!! [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Still having trouble. Get a lot of "Image hosted by a site which we do not have permission to link to." Yet the image comes from Amazon! [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 03:54, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Can you provide a sample URL in this message as well as which book it is for? Also which Amazon site? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:10, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::You can see an example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5773878 here] from the book on Amazon [https://www.amazon.com/Misery-Kings-Closet-Anthology-Hidden-ebook/dp/B08HGRV479/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1695203913&sr=1-10 here]. The URL is [https://d374oxlv7wyffd.cloudfront.net/B08HGRV479/77cb6452/cover.jpeg here], which, of course, now doesn't work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:45, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::[https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51-SJKAvQfL._SY445_SX342_.jpg]; Try Amazon UK. When I add author images I get them from UK because since amazon.com screwed up their site last year or whenever it was their pages only show a single author photo whereas UK and many other foreign Amazon pages show the whole array of photos if there are more than one included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:59, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
<Outdent> Since I'm not a moderator and can't see the submission review, I'm assuming that you are trying to put the cover image URL in the pub record. If I hover the mouse over the cover image and right click to bring up the action menu and then choose "Copy image address", the copied URL looks like [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81h20I48GeL._SY466_.jpg this]". Since that URL contains formatting data (which starts with "._"), you need to remove that formatting data by deleting everything from the second to last period to the last period. In this case you are deleting "._SY466_" which leaves the correct URL as [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81h20I48GeL.jpg this]. I can't reproduce how you are getting a URL with a cloudfront.net address in it. I hope this helps. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 23:16, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image upload ==<br />
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I've [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THCTNDTHSC2003.jpg just uploaded] a new cover scan for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCTNDTHSC2003 this pub]. The pub is 'date unknown' and the pub ID is |Pub=THCTNDTHSC2003. I haven't linked the uploaded image to the pub yet, but when I do, the image file will be headed as 'File:THCTNDTHSC2003.jpg' and the Description will read as 'Gollancz / Orion Unknown year tp'. To me this looks peculiar. Is this an oversight or is it an expected outcome? The first available edit in the edit history shows the date change to 0000-00-00, so maybe it was 2003 before that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:46, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry I missed the question when it was posted. Your last guess is correct. When a new publication record is created, it gets assigned a "publication tag", in this case "THCTNDTHSC2003". The tag is a combination of the first 10 consonants in the title and the publication year. Subsequent edits do not change the "publication tag". That's why this pub's tag is still "THCTNDTHSC2003" even though the publication year has been changed to "0000-00-00".<br />
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: In most cases publication tags do not matter because the ISFDB software doesn't use them any more. The only exception is the image upload mechanism, which uses publication tags to create new Wiki pages/images. Hope this answers the question! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:05, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::It does indeed, and thanks for explaining that. I'm glad it's something simple.. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:36, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Serialized novels ==<br />
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How do I correctly record a set of serialized novels? We currently have title records for Star Trek: New Frontier novels [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042926 The Returned (Part 1)], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042928 The Returned (Part 2)], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2042930 The Returned (Part 3)]. The titles match the title pages. These are three novel length portions of one novel published a month apart. Do I simply make each of the existing titles a variant of a new title named "The Return" and change the content record type for each of the three component title publications to Serial? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:11, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I do think it depends on the actual lengths of the portions: if they are each of shortfiction length (i. e. less than 40,000 words - the more likely case), you are right: but then the single publications would have to be transformed into CHAPBOOKs, each containing a SERIAL as content title (which you can just add). <br />
: If they are above 40,000 words (i. e. the parent novel does have more than 120,000 words [???]) you can really just do the varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:05, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Since they are all shown with Kindle page counts of 180 or more, I'm pretty sure they are novels. I am proceeding to do the varianting, etc. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:56, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sure! 120,000 sounds somewhat enormous, but seems quite regular these days. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:01, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::The variants are created. How do I set the content record type to Serial? I get an error when trying to do it by editing the pub records. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:17, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: The same way you convert novels to chapbooks when it is a novella- except that now it will be a serial. Add a chapbook record into the contents section, change the novel one to SERIAL and change the publication type to a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:57, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: You also need to change the parent title date to 2015. When the work has only been published in serial form, we use just the year. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:02, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Done. Thanks for the help. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:43, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Top Science Fiction" -- adding author intros ==<br />
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Hi. I have a copy of this to hand [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270633 Top Science Fiction: The Authors' Choice] and I note that the ISFDB entry does not list the authors' intros. It seems like it ought to, although they're just a few paragraphs before the story starts. Could-should I add them?<br />
[[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 19:05, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, that would be great! I assume they are by Josh Pachter? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:36, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::They're actually by the authors and aren't separated explicitly from the stories, which is why I was unsure about this. I'll go ahead and do it, and if it's undesirable it's easily reverted. [[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 21:26, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, just enter them as essays by the authors then. If they don't have explicit titles, give them the name of the story with "(introduction)" at the end. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:46, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. Thank you for the help! [[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 09:48, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Messy situation with a translated essay and author credit ==<br />
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I'm in the process of adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?973163 a Chinese fanzine] that is mostly translated articles, and I've encountered a case that I'm not sure I've handled optimally, but I'm not sure what the correct way to go is.<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3231621 This essay] is credited to "洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库 等", where the body of it is a Sinocization of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?303758 Laurențiu Nistorescu] with the trailing "等" indicating "et al". As such, I've credited the essay to 洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库, added a note for the "et al", and made that author an alternate for Laurențiu Nistorescu.<br />
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The problem comes in because [http://www.concatenation.org/europe/sf_romania_2.html the original online publication] doesn't clearly indicate the author(s). A footnote states "This article was a co-operative venture. Much is owed to Laurentiu Nistorescu (SF writer and journalist), Antuza Genescu and Dorin Davideanu (editor of the H. G. Wells Society zine Paradox).", but that feels like some unnamed editor assembled an English-language essay from articles by those authors, quite possibly in Romanian. As such I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3233285 that English essay] as by "uncredited", with the footnote copypasted into the note.<br />
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The problem comes in that the essay doesn't show up on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?303758 the Nistorescu author page] (which is understandable), nor [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369192 the alternate Chinese author page]. The latter seems bad for discoverability and understanding why that author record even exists.<br />
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Any thoughts on whether I should change how these essays have been recorded? A technical fix might be to not "hide" titles on the alternate author's page, if the parent title is logged against unknown/uncredited/etc, but I dunno how much work that would be, or even if it's desirable.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:25, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:One option:<br />
:*Credit the Chinese title to 洛朗蒂乌·尼斯托雷斯库 and uncredited<br />
:*Credit the English title to Laurentiu Nistorescu, Antuza Genescu, Dorin Davideanu, Silviu Genescu, and uncredited<br />
:A simpler option: Delete the English essay record. As entered, it does not appear in an eligible publication. We only enter webzines, not any web essay. Everything entered in that record can be moved to the Chinese title record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:05, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I would also use the "A" template for {{A|Antuza Genescu}}, {{A|Dorin Davideanu}}, and {{A|Silviu Genescu}} since we have author records for them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:08, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks both. I'll update the author names to use the template.<br />
::: Re. the original "publication" - I appreciate the original isn't really eligible for inclusion in ISFDB, but I'm more interested in capturing the fact that the Chinese publication is a translation of an older essay, and I don't think there's any other way of recording that than creating an English (or whatever) title record to variant to? (Same as how translated webnovels get a parent title record, even though the original webnovel "publication" isn't really ISFDB-eligible.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:40, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The point about "translated webnovels get[ting] a parent title record" is an interesting one. I maintain a few publishers who do exactly that, e.g.:<br />
::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?61427 Cross Infinite World]: publishes English translations of Japanese light novels<br />
::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?72362 Magic Dome Books]/[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74983 Magic Dome Books and 1C-Publishing]: mostly publishes European (mostly Russian and Ukrainian, but also some German) authors, often in translation<br />
:::: Some of these translated novels were originally published in book form, but many original versions are Web novels and have not been published as books. I don't think we have a standard for these types of scenarios, which results in inconsistent dating: some parent titles are enter as "8888-00-00" while others use the date of the online publication. We probably need to discuss these issues on the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:51, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stuck submission? ==<br />
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Wondering my submission seems stuck?<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5773933<br />
Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:50, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I suspect that the moderators who reviewed the submission were not sure whether this "future history" book was a work of fiction. I have confirmed that it is indeed fiction, approved the submission and updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369536 author record]. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:38, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 12:19, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding "Pages to Fill: A Legends & Lattes Short Story" ==<br />
Greetings and felicitations. I'd like to add (or have someone else add) [https://www.travisbaldree.com/pages-to-fill "Pages to Fill: A Legends & Lattes Short Story"], a prequel to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2995100 the novel]. Besides the author's Web site, it is also available in the back of Tor's [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61457585-legends-lattes American hardcover edition] (though I don't have proof of that) and [https://books.apple.com/dk/audiobook/legends-lattes/id1629678565 apparently at the end of the audiobook] (see the full Publisher Description).<br />
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Unfortunately, I can't find instructions on how to do that (for SHORTFICTION), though other comments on this page hint at it. Help, please? —[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 00:15, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Amazon's Look Inside let me confirm that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3236839 "Pages to Fill"] indeed appears at the end of the hardcover edition published by Tor. The table of contents of their ebook edition mentions an "excerpt" from "Pages to Fill", but Look Inside doesn't display it. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?919465 hardcover pub] -- all I had to do was use "Edit This Pub" and add a SHORTFICTION title to the Content section. The version posted on the author's Web site has 9491 words, which makes it a novelette. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:46, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thank you, and I'm sorry about the deletion of discussions here—it was not only unintentional, I did not realize that I was doing it. —[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|talk]]) 03:28, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards ==<br />
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I can't find where to add an award that is not part of the awards list. I appreciate help. Thanks. {{unsigned|Antunes}}<br />
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: [[Help:Screen:AwardType]] says:<br />
:* Award Types define the types of awards (like the Hugo award) that ISFDB currently supports. Only ISFDB bureaucrats can create new award types. Only ISFDB moderators can edit existing award types. If you would like to have a new award type added or an existing award type modified, feel free to post your request on the [[Community Portal]].<br />
: Once a request has been posted in the Community Portal, it usually takes a few days to discuss it. If consensus is reached, then an ISFDB bureaucrat will add a new Award Type. HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:22, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author Directory ==<br />
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I've logged in, yet selecting any letter in the author directory returns that advanced search is restricted? {{Unsigned2|08:59, October 29, 2023|Acb13adm}}<br />
: Are you sure you are logged into the ISFDB as well as this wiki? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:24, 29 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Because the search function is not dependent on being logged in, the problem you are facing must be caused by something else.<br />
:: I do suppose you get the response 'Regular search doesn't support single character searches for names' using the regular search: that answer is intentional, because you wouldn't get the authors whose name begins with this letter but all authors whose name ''contain'' this letter at any position in their spelling (and this can easily lead to more than 100,000 authors to be displayed).<br />
:: If this ain't the problem you're facing: could you please describe more specifically what you're doing (and where), and what the exact wording of the response is? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:24, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Advanced Search requires you to be logged in. That was changed awhile back because of bots causing DB issues. So what is happening is expected behaviour if someone is not logged in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: That's right. Let me add a warning to the "Author Directory" page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:48, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:46, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== S. R. Cronin not on ISFDB ==<br />
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Locus just announced the passing of this author.<br />
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https://locusmag.com/2023/10/sherrie-cronin-1954-2023/<br />
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As far as I can tell, this author only appears on ISFDB in this record, under a different version of her name:<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43591<br />
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She self-published several fantasy novels in two series w/ Amazon.com Kindle delivery:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/s?k=s.+r.+cronin&i=stripbooks&crid=ZBEVKG7XIXYN&sprefix=s.+r.+cronin%2Cstripbooks%2C126&ref=nb_sb_noss<br />
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Should we index them? [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 13:13, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://archive.org/details/Asimovs_v03n11_1979-11/page/n119/mode/2up?view=theater; I saw that link in a StackExchange discussion where someone couldn't remember the title of this story. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:36, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: We definitely want her self-published books. I plan to add them tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:45, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: All of her books [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370261 have been entered] and an alternate name has been set up. Thanks for finding the obituary! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:04, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for handling this. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 17:39, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mafagafo Revista/Monthly issues inside a yearly folder ==<br />
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I hope this doesn't sounds confusing: I'm slowly adding issues of this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69927 Brazilian magazine], but how do I neatly tuck [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3242052 these] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3242049 two] (and other editions I still need to add manually) issues inside a neat early "folder" like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3185445 this] (i.e.: put them inside a Mafagafo - 2022 "folder")? Thanks in advance! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:46, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There is a Help page, [[Help:How to link a magazine to its wiki page and add it to a magazine series]], that discusses this topic. The top half is actually obsolete now that the ISFDB software builds issue grids automatically; the ISFDB Wiki is no longer used for this purpose. We'll need to remove the section.<br />
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: The bottom half, however, is still mostly accurate. Here are the relevant steps, edited to reflect the current state of the software:<br />
:* The EDITOR records of a magazine must first be merged by year using the steps listed below.<br />
:* Use Advanced Title Search to find the EDITOR records for issues published in a given year. The Title Search screen will list candidates for merging. <br />
:* Select the titles to be merged being careful not to select any titles that should not be merged. '''Only titles with the same editor(s) and year should be merged'''. See {{series|20701|this example}} where the editor credit changed in the middle of 1953.<br />
:* Review the displayed titles, then click Complete Merge. On the next Web page, select the title record with the earliest date. Note that the spelling of the title doesn't matter because it will be modified in the next step. The Moderator will review and approve the submission.<br />
:* Bring up the merged title record for editing. For example, "Strange Stories, April 1939" should be changed to "Strange Stories - 1939" and "Strange Stories" entered in the Series field. A moderator will review and approve the submission.<br />
:* Putting EDITOR records in the same series will result in "(View All Issues)" and "(View Issue Grid)" links appearing on all Web pages displaying individual issues.<br />
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: Please note the bolded statement above, i.e. "Only titles with the same editor(s) should be merged". In the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69927 ''Mafagafo''], the two 2022 issues that we currently have on file have different editors, so they shouldn't be merged. HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hm! This answers my question but raises another: Mafagafo always had the same editor-in-chief, which is Jana Bianchi (the one listed in the yearly merged links from 2018 and 2019). I think this is a lost-in-translation kind of situation, because the I've been crediting the other editions (from issue 2020 onwards) as "edited by [new person]", the "editor" in this case being the person who did the developmental edits/copyedits (the word "editor" means the both things in Portuguese), but Jana Bianchi was still the editor-in-chief. Considering how Strange Horizons is credited here (with the credited editor being only the editor-in-chief and not the fiction/developmental editors), should I go back and change all the issues to credit Jana Bianchi? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 23:11, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Generally, we only enter the name(s) of the Editor-in-Chief in the Author/Editor field. For example, consider the Wiki page [[Series:Air Wonder Stories]], which says (under "Staff"):<br />
:::* Hugo Gernsback, editor-in-chief.<br />
:::* David Lasser, Literary editor, July 1929-February 1930, Managing editor, March-Mary 1930. Despite his title Lasser was in effect managing editor for all issues.<br />
:::* M. E. Dame, Associate editor, April-May 1930.<br />
:::* A. L. Fierst, Associate editor, February-May 1930.<br />
:::* C. P. Mason, Associate editor, February-May 1930.<br />
::: When you check the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19341 corresponding "Series" page] in the database, you'll note that only Gernsback is credited.<br />
::: In this case I would enter "{{A|Jana Bianchi}}" in the Author/Editor field and document "guest editors", "fiction editors", "developmental editors", etc in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Ok, thanks! I'm gonna go back to those and credit Jana as the main editor, then. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 20:11, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved and ready for two "Title Merge" submissions, one for 2012 and the other one for 2022. You can either use Advanced Title Search or pull up {{A|Jana Bianchi}}'s Summary page, then click "Show All Titles" under "Editing Tools" and select titles to merge from the displayed list. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:44, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 'Star Wars Universe' vs 'Star Wars Universe/Star Wars' series ==<br />
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Can anyone explain the rationale for choosing which series to place 'independent' novels into? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:39, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== How to find magazine issue when story title is known ==<br />
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I am looking for the issue of the Analog or Fantasy & Science Fiction magazine containing a story titled "Gotlos".<br />
Thanks <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dulinje|Dulinje]] ([[User talk:Dulinje|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dulinje|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:Colin Kapp's {{T|51513|Gottlos}} appeared in {{P|57184|Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, November 1969}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:04, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:And for future reference, you can find what JLaTondre found by searching for the author listing (in this case, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1169 here]) using the search box at the top left side of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi main site] and find the story in their list of works. Clicking on the story title will take you to the {{T|51513|entry}} JLaTondre provided, where you'll be able to see where that story's been published. You can also search for the story title using that same search box. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:16, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::However, you need to know the correct spelling for ISFDB search to work. To find this story, I searched "Gotlos Analog or Fantasy & Science Fiction magazine" in Google and the first hit lead me to "Gottlos" and that it was in "Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, November 1969". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:15, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Synopsis can't be edited ==<br />
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I can't find the information on why a synopsis can't always be edited. Example: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3086815 [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 16:57, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'd say it is because the title is for a Chapbook which is a special type of container. Instead, edit the Shortfiction title of the same name that is included in the Chapbook. For your example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3086816 here]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 20:07, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right: we wouldn't want to add a synopsis to a CHAPBOOK: the enclosed piece of shortfiction may also be published in a COLLECTION or an ANTHOLOGY, and so it's more meaningful to add this information to the fiction title (and it's in the fiction where the plot unfolds). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Okaaay. Is it by design, that it's not obvious, that the text exists in 2 versions? With different nomination data? [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 03:19, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Chapbooks are a special case. The chapbook record is for the publication, not the text within the publication. The short fiction record is for the actual contents. Think of a chapbook as a single story collection if that helps. The award nomination should have been on the novella record and not on the chapbook record. I have fixed that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: And we do need a special container title type, even for a single piece of shortfiction: though that is the criterion that makes out a CHAPBOOK, there can be other title types that are published along the shortfiction, essays, for example, or pieces of interior art. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:58, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for all answers! [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 13:29, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::(This just to clarify content. [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 22:48, 1 December 2023 (EST))<br />
:Oh. One more question. It's possible to attach different tags to a chapbook and the story in it? There's a reason for handling tags this way and synopsis another way? [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 14:56, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Same story, different synopsis ==<br />
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This story has its own synopsis, so does the "original". The reason for this? https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?64178 [[User:LiseAndreasen|LiseAndreasen]] ([[User talk:LiseAndreasen|talk]]) 14:59, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786537 Edit History], I see that you added a synopsis to the Variant Title on 2023-10-09. I will ping [[User:Rtrace]], who approved the submission on 2023-10-17. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:30, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::When I review an edit adding a synopsis, I generally approve those without much investigation. Unless one is familiar with the title, there's no way to verify that the synopsis is correct, so this is a type of edit where I tend to trust that the submitter knows what they're doing. That being said, I don't recall that I've ever drilled down into the existing title record to see if it is a variant. If having synopses on both parent and variant title is a concern I can try to do so, but we may want to add a warning that the title being edited is a variant with a link to the parent title. The converse relationship (i.e. when editing the parent) is clear when reviewing the edit, but there's nothing on the review screen showing the parent title. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:41, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Checking our archives, I see the following [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 announcement]:<br />
:::* "Make Variant" has been updated to move "synopsis" data from the child title to the parent title. [This was {{FR|743}}, "Make This a Variant Title should move synopsis".]<br />
:::* Which reminds me. Are there scenarios where a VT with a synopsis makes sense? We have 1,636 of them, but I suspect that the vast majority are titles whose synopses were not moved to the parent record when they were varianted. I guess I should create a cleanup report for "VTs with synopsis data" and then we'll see if any are legitimate. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:41, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::** The cleanup report has been coded and deployed [this was {{FR|1501}}, "Create a cleanup report to find VTs with synopsis data."] The data will become available tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:57, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: As of this morning, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 the cleanup report had 1546 VTs with synopsis data]. If we can get a cleanup effort going, it should be possible to get all of them moved to the parent titles within a few days/weeks. If we don't come across any scenarios requiring that VTs have synopses, I could then change the software to make the Synopsis field not editable for VTs. It would be similar to the way CHAPBOOKs work. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:21, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have cleaned up a bunch and the report is now down to 1,500 titles. It is as I suspected: most just needed the synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles; some needed two synopsis entries reconciled; a few were in error, e.g. Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa or non-English synopses which are explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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:::: I plan to post my findings on the Community Portal tomorrow morning. I will also propose a software change to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:04, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: I spotted a couple of titles on the cleanup report with which I am familiar so have submitted edits to clean them up: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823387 The Engineer ReConditioned] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823388 The Long Afternoon of Earth]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:50, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:13, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== OLiver Whimsey ==<br />
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● I don't know if this subject has ever come up, but I would like to add a few coloring books, like [https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Beauty-Horror-Coloring-Adults/dp/B0CK3VFXFB/ref=sr_1_13?crid=1PMUI19A1YSMT&keywords=Oliver+Whimsy&qid=1701223836&s=books&sprefix=oliver+whimsy%2Cstripbooks%2C308&sr=1-13 Dark Beauty Horror Coloring Book for Adults] by Oliver Whimsey. I would think these books could qualify as art books. "He" has a number of fantasy oriented coloring/art books. Still, there might be rule against these, I'm good either way. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:21, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, coloring books do contain art and we have a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=coloring+book&type=All+Titles number of them on file]. However, the ones that are currently in the database are generally covered by the following Rule of Acquisition:<br />
:* ''Included'': Published non-fiction works about speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to published (as defined above) speculative fiction.<br />
: Examples include "Terry Pratchett's Discworld Coloring Book" and "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz Coloring Book".<br />
: Can Oliver Whimsey's ''Dark Beauty Horror Coloring Book for Adults'' be plausibly linked to published (as defined above) speculative fiction? Or it is standalone horror art? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:43, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::They seem to be stand-alones. Nice art, but again, I'll go with the majority here. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 05:02, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crown of Starlight ==<br />
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Recently watched a YouTube video about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3260929 this fantasy] and I have added it to this website. But, I'm not sure if I did it correctly. Could somebody in the know check out my listing and let me know if it was done correctly. The YouTube video on this book and it's author is attached to my listing. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:29, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== TOXIN - By Robin Cook ==<br />
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In the book jacket it says, “Determined to be a good father to his only son, newly divorced surgeon Dr. Kim Regis takes Selden to his favorite fast food restaurant…” In the book itself, the child is a girl (daughter) named Becky. Also, the doctor’s name is spelled REGGIS- not REGIS. In the book jacket it says “…the boy dies within hours…” whereas in the text the (girl) dies in 5 days.<br />
How does this type of error happen? I’m sure thousands of copies of this book were printed. I’m just curious.<br />
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Please reply to ronlibutti@gmail.com<br />
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Thank you. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:RONLIBUTTI|RONLIBUTTI]] ([[User talk:RONLIBUTTI|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RONLIBUTTI|contribs]]) .</small> 22:53, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:We apologize for any confusion. We are not the author or the publisher, so we don't have an answer for your question. If we were to venture a guess, it's likely the story was modified slightly between the time the back cover copy was written and the book contents were finalized, and no one noticed the discrepancies. It happens here and there in the publishing world. You're welcome to contact the publisher or the author through their respective websites if you wish. This would allow them to correct it for future printings. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:11, 8 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Excerpted only in translation ==<br />
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I believe that the convention for entering an excerpt is that it takes the date of excerpt publication and stands alone, not being made a variant of the work excerpted from. That's the way I've been doing them. However, I've just come up against this question: what about a translated excerpt when only the excerpt has been translated, not the entire original? Looking for the first foreign titles listed with "(excerpt)" I find [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2870369 Джанга с тенями (excerpt)], which is dated the same as the English translation, and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2611693 Мы (excerpt)], which is dated 8888-00-00, or unpublished. The latter makes a lot more sense to me. I would even add a note confirming that the full original work was not translated. Possibly someone can direct me to a Rules page that clarifies this; otherwise, is there a consensus? -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:21, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I don't know if there's a consensus, but I do think that from the rules your assumption is more meaningful: we have the rule that titles have to bear the date of their first publication, and thus a title where we know (or can safely assume) that it was not published should be marked as such ('8888-00-00'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:39, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I think I'll go ahead that way on the relevant entries in an anthology I listed a few days ago, so the story and essay excerpts in Italian show at least some sort of source. Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 09:43, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== LInda Barrett ==<br />
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Well, I've done it again. Somehow I messed up the serial that can be found [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?270222 here], and I don't how to fix it. Can I get any help? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:15, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It looks like you made part 1 a variant of part 2. Instead, both should have been made a variant of a new title. You should be able to fix this by making part 2 a variant of a new title (use Option 2 of the Make Variant Title screen). Since the software doesn't allow variants of variants, it will automatically move part 1 to be a variant of the new title also. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Carnegie Medal ==<br />
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sorry if this is the wrong place for this question.<br />
The carnegies have only had a list of nominees since 2003, prior to that in many years they had two other awards as well as the winner namely "Commended" and "Highly Commended". Is It possible to have these categories added to the list of options? if not then how should they be categorised? nominee with a note to say what they actually are?<br />
cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 15:22, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Let me first clarify that "award categories" are for different types of awards given by the same award committee/body. For example, consider the list of categories for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?26 the International Horror Guild Award]: Best Novel, Best First Novel, Best Short Story, Best Non-Fiction, Best Artist, Best Periodical, Best TV, etc.<br />
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: On the other hand, what you are describing is non-standard "award levels", which are different animals. At this time, we do not have support for them. You could enter their Award Levels either:<br />
:* as "Nomination", or<br />
:* as "Special" followed by selecting "Honorable Mentions" from the drop-down list<br />
: Either way, please explain the details in the Notes field. Award Notes appear in hover-over "informational" bubbles displayed on Award pages, e.g. if you display the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?618+1 main page for the Carnegie Medal category], you will notice a little "i" next to the word "Win" for 1947. If you hover your cursor over it, it will display the associated award record's Note, in this case "First collection to win the award, and first time previously published works were considered." Hope this helps! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:29, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate it was award levels i meant. Just done one using honourable mentions and note with the note saying: Received the designation "Commended". I'll stick with that if youre happy. {{unsigned|Faustus}}<br />
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::: Thanks, I have approved the submission -- [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?79774 here is the result]. I also updated the Note field to indicate where the data came from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 07:59, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: Got it- i'll follow that format for the others. cheers - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 08:40, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== 1 Novel + 1 Short fiction = Omnibus/Collection/Novel? ==<br />
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If a book consists of a novel and a shorter work both of which have previously been published seperately then what type is it?<br />
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This one is an {{P|544825|OMNIBUS}}<br />
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This one is a {{P|360668|COLLECTION}}<br />
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This one's a {{P|51365|NOVEL}}<br />
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The Benford novelette is set in the same universe as the novel - does that have any bearing on Pub Type?<br />
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from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:24, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:It can be classified as a NOVEL or a COLLECTION. From the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type Publication Type] help section<br />
:: "NOVEL. Used when the book is devoted to a single work of fiction. The addition of multiple short stories makes the book a collection, not a novel (A single story is a judgment call, see below). However, sample chapters placed at the end of a book for advertising reasons do not make a novel into a collection. If a book is packaged as a single volume work, and then republished as a multi-volume work, all the publications are novels; there is no need to classify the single volume work as an omnibus. Conversely, if a book is originally published as multiple volumes, and republished as a single volume, the latter is a novel unless the presentation within the single volume makes it clear that the works are presented as separate novels. Sometimes a novel is bound with a single short work of fiction by the same author (an example is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMSNCHNTD2000 this edition of The Misenchanted Sword]). In such a case it is often preferred to class the publication as a novel with a "Bonus story" rather than a 2-item collection or omnibus. This is particularly true if the publication has the same title as the novel. It is a judgment call, however." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::Thanks, i'd read the collection and omnibus bits of that help page but somehow didnt look at NOVEL. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:23, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== My typo in a canonical name ==<br />
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I mistyped Linda Burroughs as LInda Burroughs and now that it's been entered as a canonical name I can't correct it. I tried doing so on the title page for her one essay so far, but the software matched Linda with LInda and that edit went through without the change. Could a moderator fix that typo on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?374390 Author Record] page? Thanks. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:52, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:As requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:25, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thank you, John.--Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 17:19, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A question about variants with pseudonyms ==<br />
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I'm generally fine with creating variants but need some clarification for this situation. The publication is written under a pseudonym. The title page shows the author as another pseudonym "writing as". Fine so far but the existing canonical author record has the author's canonical name plus an additional author. Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22551 Satellite B.C.] which has the canonical authors as John S. Glasby and Arthur Roberts. I added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?992906 ebook edition] whose title page shows "John Glasby writing as Rand Le Page" using the Rand Le Page pseudonym. I feel like there should be a variant created but am not sure if that's true. What should I do? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:07, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:The author field help attempts to cover this:<br />
::Alternate Names. ''If you know that a particular author's name is an alternate name, enter that alternate name rather than changing it to the canonical name. If the title page shows both an original and a subsequent name, use the original name. For example, Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books were originally published under the pseudonym of Paul French, but later reprints were given both names: '''"by Isaac Asimov, writing as Paul French". In these cases you should still enter Paul French as the author and record the dual credit in the notes.''' If the cover shows both names but the title page shows only one name, use the name from the title page -- no matter which it is -- and record the discrepancy with the cover credit in the notes. When a book is known to be ghost-written, this should be treated as an alternate name; the ghost-writer will eventually show up as having an alternate name of the well-known author, but that data is not entered via this field.'' (my emphasis)<br />
:The credit should be to Rand Le Page. The variant would go to the canonical name, which is John S. Glasby. The software does not permit a variant of a variant, so there would be no intermediate record with the John Glasby credit. If we believe the work is by both Glasby and Roberts, then the variant would go to a record using two author credits for John S. Glasby and Arthur Roberts -- always to the canonical. Unless it were ever published as credited solely to "John Glasby", there will be no variant with that credit. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:56, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks. That's how I did it but somehow didn't see the guidance in the Help to reassure me that I had done it correctly. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:53, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Restoring cancelled submission==<br />
Is there any way to easily restore/resubmit a submission I accidentally cancelled (other than reenter everything)? 5883840 if it can be done. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:27, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: A moderator can unreject. Which I had done. It is back to being active and in the queue. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:53, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::10000 thank yous. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:47, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
== interviews jump to continuation page==<br />
When entering an interview with multiple authors interviewed in a publication, when the article starts on say page 1 and the first author is interviewed there, and the continuation of the article jumps to say page 10 and interviews more authors, is it better to just add additional authors to the interview listing with the first page <br />
number, or to add them as another interview with the second page number and the same title? I can't decide which is more logical. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:12, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Adding alternate name ==<br />
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Colombian author Rodrigo Bastidas Pérez [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?329980] [https://latinamericanliteraturetoday.org/lal_author/rodrigo-bastidas-perez/] also appears to use the nameRodrigo Bastidas [https://co.linkedin.com/in/rodrigo-bastidas-9aab39191] [https://latinamericanliteraturetoday.org/lal_author/rodrigo-bastidas-perez/] so if anybody could add it, please? Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:30, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:The ISFDB is a publication driven database. An author record will be created the first time "Rodrigo Bastidas" is credited to a title. After creation, go to the newly created author record. Select 'Make/Remove Alternate Name' from the Editing Tools menu. Put 'Rodrigo Bastidas Pérez' in the Parent name field or 329980 in the Parent Record # field. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:42, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 15:56, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Adding web-published short fiction? ==<br />
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General question: https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub seems to list everything ''except'' a new piece of short fiction (New Anthology, New Chapbook, New Collection, New Fanzine, New Magazine, New Nonfiction, New Novel, and New Omnibus). How does one add one? <br />
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More specifically, how would one add Andy Weir’s latest short story, “The Martian: Lost Sols” (https://galactanet.com/lostsols.pdf)?<br />
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(A more complicated issue might be whether to count it as either part of a new ''The Martian'' series, or as just a missing part of the novel.)<br />
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— [[User:FlaSheridn|FlaSheridn]] ([[User talk:FlaSheridn|talk]]) 19:42, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:A publication of a single work of short fiction is handled in the ISFDB as a CHAPBOOK, which you should think of as a one-story COLLECTION. So you use Add New Chapbook. We would consider a PDF an "ebook". It will seem redundant, but within that new record, you would add one entry in the "Regular Titles" (content) section for the short story. See some details in the CHAPBOOK sub-bullet of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type]]. It is normal for both the CHAPBOOK and the SHORTFICTION records to have the same title text, but that is not required. If the story belongs in the series, add the series to the SHORTFICTION record (which will only be available after the initial submission is accepted), not to the CHAPBOOK. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 21:31, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Financial contributions ==<br />
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Is there a way to make a monthly financial contribution to your site? {{Unsigned2|16:35, February 21, 2024| Jeradcentipedepress.com}}<br />
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: Not at the moment, but let me check with Al von Ruff who currently handles server issues. Thanks for the thought! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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— [[User:FlaSheridn|FlaSheridn]] ([[User talk:FlaSheridn|talk]]) 21:07, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Not at the moment. but the site isn't particularly expensive to operate. I'll be looking into creating a 501c later this year, mostly to ensure the longevity of the site, but that would also allow for official financial contributions. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 16:43, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== (in error) credit to cover artist / Beloved Exile ==<br />
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What steps should I take to fix up the cover artist for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?643609 Beloved Exile]?<br />
My 2nd printing has a copyright page credit and signature on the artwork crediting 'Heide Oberheide'. <br />
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It seems I should edit the 'Author 1' name in the record, but am unsure how to create the 'Tom Canty (in error)' record linkage. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:13, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:It's unfortunately complicated. What you'd need to do is separate the publications so that the AvoNova pub has a COVERART record of its own that is not shared with the two Bantam pubs. Then make the AvoNova's credit be "Tom Canty (in error)" instead of "Tom Canty", and make the title the two Bantam pubs share be credited to "Heide Oberheide" instead of "Tom Canty". Then both the fixed "Heide Oberheide" one and the "Tom Canty (in error)" one would need to be made variants of one credited to "Heidi Oberheide" (her canonical name), "Tom Canty (in error)" would need to be made an alternate name for Heidi Oberheide, and the lingering old parent title credited to Thomas Canty would need to be deleted. It would take quite a few submissions and a few wait-for-approval pauses. I'd be happy to do this for you, if you want, or you're welcome to try it yourself. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:38, 14 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== SV removal ==<br />
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In the USD edition of {{P|290822|Dilvish, the Damned}} Reginald3 is correctly SV'd and numbered. In the {{P|10142|Canadian printing}} it has also been SV'd - wrongly. Could someone remove that and mark it N/A. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:42, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== adding a publication ==<br />
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Can a publication listing be added before the item is offered for sale? (i.e., I have obtained an ARC with all relevant info, but the book is not scheduled for publication for a couple more weeks) {{unsigned|Fabius}}<br />
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: The short answer is "yes". To quote [[Help:Screen:NewPub]]:<br />
:* '''Future Publication Dates''' - ISFDB captures records for some publications that have been announced for release in the future.<br />
:** New publications announced for the near future (within the next 90 days) should be given that future publication date.<br />
:** Do not create records for newly announced publications scheduled for release more than 90 days into the future, as these plans often change.<br />
: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: One small note to add - if you are working from an ARC, mention it in the notes (when we work from pre-release records, we note the date for example making it obvious that we are adding pre-publication). Things change between ARCs and the actual book occasionally so that will minimize the risk of us ending with two separate records downstream. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Second set of eyes please. ==<br />
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I've submitted a publication [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5709664 deletion]] that I'd rather not self-approve as it involves someone else's entry and PV. Thank you in advance. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:23, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: After reviewing the data I agree that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?483390 record 483390] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556122 record 556122] apparently describe the same pub. I see that one of them has been verified by you and the other one by [[User:Don Erikson]], who has been inactive for the last 3+ years.<br />
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: One way to handle this situation would be for you to delete "your" pub record, then to primary-verify Don's pub, thus keeping both primary verifications. Would that work for you? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:58, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: An obvious approach. I reloaded the cover image as well. Will deleting a publication automatically get rid of the associated image? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:46, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The only effect deleting the publication has on the wiki page is breaking the link back to the publication. I went ahead and deleted it, mod only function, since you reloaded the image and created a new wiki page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:23, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mouser Goes Below ==<br />
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Hello. After a long while, I have released this edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5374496] for other moderators to have a look. While Willem agrees it's a Novel rather than a Novella, I am not entirely comfortable with affecting the change. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Examining the text in my ebook collection, I see that the submitter is correct: it contains over 64.5K words. I would make it a NOVEL and leave a canned message on the primary verifiers' Talk pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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PS. Real-life hasn't been nice to me the last couple of months, hence my absence from the site. Not sure when/if I will be back... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry to hear about the real life issues! Hopefully things will improve sooner rather than later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I've approved the change to NOVEL and fixed all the translations to be NOVEL types as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:37, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hollowing ==<br />
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Hello Mods. I have a question regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289319 this] publication. I made a note that the book has an appendix, which is an in-universe folk tale of Ryhope Wood by Goerg Huxley - i.e. it's fictional. The tale has a title and a note before it making it appear as if it is an out of universe (i.e. a 'real world') tale. Should I add this as content ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 02:07, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think your treatment is fine, unless we discover the same story ended up published elsewhere. You might adjust the note to call out that it's a fictional appendix, and its credited author, "George Huxley" is an in-universe character. If you did want to make a content entry for it, I think you'd need to title it something like: "<whatever> by George Huxley" and make the author credit be Robert Holdstock. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'll leave it as is and amend the note per your suggestion. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:16, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who to credit ? ==<br />
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Hello Mods. The can of worms of cover design vs cover photo opens again with the two Gollancz editions of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102350 Trillion Year Spree]. I made a note for my trade paperback copy that it states "Jacket design by Don Macpherson (over) Jacket photograph by Peter Letts" on backcover. The hardback credits Macpherson wheres the trade paperback credits Letts. So which one of those two get's the cover art credit ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Macpherson does not get a credit under any circumstances - designers never do. If the hardback only credits "cover: Macpherson", then I'd been inclined to add a "Macpherson (in error)" credit and pseudonym to Letts thus allowing a variant cover and credits as per the books. As long as Letts photographs are on the cover and not the author photo of course. Alternatively, no credit for anyone and just notes (photographs are a bit of a gray area sometimes as Cover Artists but if you decide to credit -- it should be Letts). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:46, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks Annie. Maybe you could tell Makwood that as I tried to ask him what his hardback copy said (ghaving quoted him what mine said). See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Trillion_Year_Spree here] where he states "So, you're saying the jacket front is a photograph, and not a graphic design? Doesn't appear that way to me". Gonna change the credit. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:46, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brainchild ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5716829; I added 2 ID and a note about page count but it insists that I did something with the title which I didn't. Why is that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the raw database data, I see that the main ANTHOLOGY title has a page number, "|1", associated with it. It wasn't displayed when you edited the publication record because the "Page" field is grayed out and not editable for ANTHOLOGY (and other "container") titles. My first guess was that at one point this publication was a NOVEL or another non-container and the non-container title had "|1" assigned to it. Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?297598 Edit History], I see that this pub did have its title type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3992773 changed to ANTHOLOGY on 2018-10-14], which suggests that my guess was correct.<br />
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: Once your submission is approved, the "|1" page number will disappear. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:54, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change required for variant name: Ren Qing -> Channing Ren ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366142 任青] is listed on the Hugo finalist list with the western name "Ren Qing". When I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959764 the tp pub that has their story], I noted that various sources reported them as Channing Ren.<br />
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I've now bought [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960977 the ebook pub], and - Sod's Law - it turns out that Channing Ren is how they are listed in the actual antho, see [https://twitter.com/ErsatzCulture/status/1679946416830001154/photo/1 here].<br />
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Could someone update [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366143 the Ren Qing author record] accordingly please? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:37, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Also, as an FYI, changing the author name in the English Title record from "Ren Qing" to "Channing Ren" would have deleted the "Ren Qing" author record and created a new author record for "Channing Ren". The new author record would then need to be turned into an alternate name of "任青", but it could be done by a self-approver. Not a big deal, just something to keep in mind in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:31, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks; I did wonder if something like that was doable, but I thought better to just punt it here.<br />
:: There's another one coming down the line, which I've put off, because I spent a day trying to get my head round it, and trying to write it up to confirm (a) a consensus for that course of action, and (b) how exactly to tackle it, isn't something I'm relishing. I don't think many westerners have realized there are 2 different Hugo finalists called [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?344566 杨枫] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366182 杨枫(I)], and IMHO we probably have the disambiguations the wrong way round, as the former should probably be an alternate name for 天爵, who isn't in the database yet. Something to look forward too... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:32, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolfe - Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus - novel and novella dating ==<br />
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Whilst editing two of my own English language pubs of this title I noticed some dating which someone, hopefully, can clarify for me.<br />
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There are two novella titles by different translators {{T|1582693|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} and {{T|1699730|1982-05-00 by Eva Malsch}}.<br />
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The novel {{T|1347139|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} dating looks ok as does the Eva Malsch translation but I don't see a 1974-11-00 Yoma Cap novella publication - only the {{P|414367|1984-04-00}} one as the first instance.<br />
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The note in the {{T|1957|1972-04-00}} novel title page refers to the German translations but doesn't help me.<br />
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So, do we treat the novel and the novella as having the same first instance date? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sequence of events as I understand it is as follows:<br />
:* The novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41405 "The Fifth Head of Cerberus"] was published in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25103 ''Orbit 10''] on 1972-02-16.<br />
:* The novella version became Part 1 of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1957 novel version which used the same title], ''The Fifth Head of Cerberus'', and was first published on 1972-04-00.<br />
:* Both the novella version and the novel version were subsequently reprinted by various US/UK publishers.<br />
:* The second part of the novel version was later reprinted as a separate novelette [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''] in a 1994-07-00 anthology. We have it dated "1994-07-00".<br />
:* Yoma Cap's first German translation of the novel version was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347139 ''Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus''] in 1974-11-00.<br />
:* The first part of Yoma Cap's German translation (which corresponds to the novella version of "The Fifth Head of Cerberus") was [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 reprinted in 1984 and then again in 2002]. The title date of this title is currently set to "1974-11-00" and matches the date of the first publication of the German ''novel''.<br />
:* The third (and final) part of the ''English'' novel hasn't been reprinted as a separate novella. However, the third part of Yoma Cap's ''German'' translation was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T.", a separate novella] on 1983-04-00. The title date of this title is currently set to "1983-04-00".<br />
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: The problem then is that we have an inconsistency. The separate English appearance of the second part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''], is currently dated "1994-07-00" and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. Similarly, the separate German appearance of the third part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T."], is dated 1983-04-00 and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. However, the separate German appearance of the novella version (which is the same as the first part of the novel), is dated "1974-11-00", when the novel translation appeared, as opposed to "1984-04-00", which is when the separate German version appeared.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would suggest changing the title date of the novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 "Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus"] from 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:17, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for taking such a careful look at this and your elegant answer. It resolves my uncertainty about novella/novel treatment and confirms where I thought the problem lay - your 6th bullet point homes in on that. I've submitted the change 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00 as you've suggested :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The submission has been approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:44, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mod Bob ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Moderator-availability; Bob should be removed from the list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:58, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:04, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Spencer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131734; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elizabeth-Spencer/e/B01MFH59N3; Last 2 stories are by a young lady with the same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like Stonecreek has already changed their author from "Elizabeth Spencer" to "Elizabeth Spencer (I)". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, except he added her image to webpage field by mistake, so I've just moved it to the right field, pending approval. Also, the older Spencer has a photo under "Movies, TV and Bio" on Amazon but as usual with "S" URL photos like those ISFDB won't accept them with or without the trailing stuff before .jpg, giving an unsupported message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Your submission is approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:08, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete x2 ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the older images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGM2014.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGB2014.jpg here]. Uploaded by mistake. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted as requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:36, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1968198; I added link to Hodder and created a new record for Crowell, it's W. J. Dawson in both, author name neeeds changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawsey ? Hayes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001; I am not entering all of that info again just for a minor publisher name change so if someone knows how to preserve the one sentence in the publisher record then my edit can be un-rejected. Seems to me it would have made more sense to accept the edit and then cut-and-paste the sentence into the publisher record afterwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I first went to the publisher record and changed the name there. Then that portion of your submission effectively became a no-up (changing the existing name to the same thing, so no publisher deletion), so I was able to un-reject it and approve it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Johnsgard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5718012; I made another edit adding all info except name change, cover artists entered with alternate name for the man so after it's accepted that can be used as the parent, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Change made and submissions approved. Submit an edit to import the cover art credit into the tp and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SJS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=solomon+j&type=Name; 1 credit each for the last 2 guys, your decision which is parent and which is variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:23, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?360672 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:28, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Islands in the Sky cover art ==<br />
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Entry for cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?652621 this] publication shows two different images, although the spacestation is the same the approaching rocket has been replaced by a boy on the 1984 edition - both images are by Peter Andrew Jones. Should the later edition's image not be seperated out and varianted ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:40, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We variant for author, title, language and title type (artwork & serials only). We do not variant for a difference in the artwork. It's the same and we merge or it isn't. The same meaning "all or part of one appears in the other". [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:47, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Alrighty. I only queried since there is a substantial difference between the one signed 'PAJ 80 Solar Wind' and the one signed 'PAJ 81' --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If you think they are different enough, you can unmerge them and add notes on the reasons for it. I think they fall under our "is contained in" or "is part of" rule so they are ok as they are but the rules in that area can be interpreted differently. As John mentioned, they cannot be variants though so the choice is between what we have now and 2 separate unconnected entries. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. I made a note in regards to the difference on the publication, plus the difference is obvious when viewing the cover art entry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Matheson's Musings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Zapp#Musings; Do mods agree that it should be changed to an essay? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:26, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author name change needed ==<br />
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The spelling for author LJ Cohen is currently "L. J. Cohen" [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?203069 sic]. Would a moderator please change it to her preferred spelling of "LJ Cohen"? That is the spelling she uses on her [https://www.ljcohen.net/ website] and which appears on the titles currently recorded in ISFDB. I think the current spelling is a holdover from old spelling rules. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The rules are still valid especially because these are initials (so not really old spelling rules) - but they also allow for author's preference to take precedence. I've changed it and added a note on the page so someone does not "fix" it. As you are the only PV of any of her book I saw, consider this also a notification for the changed in your PVd book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:54, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== (Slightly) clashing pending edits for author Juleen Brantingham ==<br />
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I just submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5730414 5730414], but I get a yellow warning for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730402 5730402] which makes a similar change. My edit is a superset of the latter - adds a more details place of birth, obit link and expanded note - so could someone reject 5730402, or at least apply it before my edit 5730414 gets applied, so nothing gets lost? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Approved them in the correct sequence. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:17, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Horus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722514; Can someone change the publisher to Horus Publishing? After that's done will that lead to unrejecting my edit? Because I've done hundreds since then and it's kind of hard to remember what I did for a single edit days or weeks ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: All good now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:27, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Architecture of Desire ==<br />
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Entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518517 this] cover art has combined three entirely different pieces of art by Chris Brown. Note that [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0e/BKTG04149.jpg this] is not the same as [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/e5/BKTG04151.jpg this] - there are substanial diferences between the two pieces. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:53, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are definitely different. I've separated them into the three pieces. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:44, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:23, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Printing ==<br />
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http://www.cars101.com/firstid.html; I think this would be helpful; I have a pending edit adding a Random House book which starts with 2 in the number line but it's not a 2nd printing, that's how they started their lines for much of their history. Can this be added to Help or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reeves-Stevens - Phase II: The Lost Series ==<br />
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The coverart credit as it stands {{P|32543|here}} is wrong, can we have help from a moderator to sort it out? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:How is it wrong? Have you contacted [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] to see what it states on the copyright page? Is there separate art on the front and back covers? If it's a mashup up two pieces of art, each by one of the two credited artists, the listing is correct. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jem ==<br />
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There seems to be two entries for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117921 this] publication. The note for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322056 this] version also has a 1980 printing and a £1.50 price and points to (presumably) the true 1980 printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?JMRCPBTPGS1980 here]. Can't determine what the difference between the two entries could possibly be. Thoughts ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:36, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accidental cover upload ==<br />
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Hello Mods I inadvertantly uploaded the hardback cover art for a paperback edition (that'll teah me to look first). Title in question is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27997 Return to Eden]. If someone could revert it back to what it was previously that' be great. I have uploaded it to the correct hardback edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Reverted. I also approved your submission adding the image to the Grafton hc. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:24, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg; My cover doesn't show up but neither does the cover someone else uploaded last year. Can someone get my cover to show up? Also, I made an edit adding editor as cover artist so can you approve that, too. You also may want to check to see if the other person uploaded a cover for the American edition (different title) because there's no cover there, either. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== TCASFW Discussion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#TCASFW; When one of you approves my edit you can discuss with this PV what you'd like to do. I think their final message is that one of their volumes has a dash and one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:46, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding image credit , please ==<br />
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Good day,<br />
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I need help.<br />
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I would like to have an INTERIOR ART CREDIT added for Author record # 269730 ; Carl Lavoie.<br />
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It’s in the recent<br />
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Vastarien: A Literary Journal. Vol. 6, Issue 1<br />
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and it’s the frontispiece illustration, ‘The Evil Eye'.<br />
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Here’s a link to a sample of the issue, the illustration is right after the cover page:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/Vastarien-Literary-Journal-vol-issue/dp/B0CBT4B6D1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28D1CYLFVH4XL&keywords=vastarien+literary&qid=1692175645&sprefix=%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-1&asin=B0CBT4B6D1&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1<br />
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And here’s a link to the publisher, listing the content of the recent issue:<br />
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https://grimscribepress.com/issues/<br />
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Thank you. And have a wonderful day.<br />
-Carl Lavoie<br />
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: Thank you for getting interested in our little project. However, it seems as if the issue you refer to hasn't been added yet; the latest one I can find is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?872536 this] from 2021.<br />
: But before you or someone else becomes active and enters it: this seems to be a general literary journal which then wouldn't be eligible per se to ISFDB (which is devoted to speculative fiction); for such a journal only the speculative fiction items, the artwork illustrating them, and essays referring to speculative fiction would be allowed to be included in the entry (see [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions these definitions]. Please think about it, and then think if you'd like to get help to add the publication in question. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:18, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Frederick, Chambers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5746601; I came across Quick Action by Robert W. Chambers and added links (and a Canadian reprint) and then decided to enter links and stuff for other Chambers books illustrated by Frederick. Ran into trouble immediately because Tracer of Lost Persons is as by "R. W. Chambers" so if someone can approve my edit so it can be made a variant and month added to title record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:54, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MRC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2970668; An Archive.org link was recently upped for his 2014 novel so I added a link then I saw that his recent novel didn't have cover art in both editions so I imported it, then I noticed that the cover artist, who is also the author, didn't have a period added after R so it's a separate record. Since R with a period has bio info that means if I add a period it will erase the info, I think, so if one of you can add it without erasing the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I fixed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK) ==<br />
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I'm editing {{P|178073|Asimov's Extraterrestrials}} and on the title page is stated "Dragon [over] Grafton Books [over] A Division of the Collins Publishing Group". We have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27309 Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK)] but my understanding is that we don't record the owners (Collins) of the publishers (Grafton). If that's correct, the four publications (also 1986) listed in that category should be "Dragon / Grafton" (as imprint / publisher). If moderators agree, that's what I propose using in the Publisher field for my edit (and I could also amend the four other publications to the same). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:40, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Not hearing any objections, I'll wait another few days and then implement the above. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:54, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== With/with ==<br />
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I happened to notice that a mod is correcting "With" to "with" in a lot of records. Is there some way to trawl all the records and automatically correct wrongly capitalized words (or vice versa) with a patch or something? Seems like that would be helpful and save a lot of time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multiple Archive.org Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756500; Can a mod approve my edits for Number 87 from the first one linked above and ending with 5756519? I want to know if adding the second Archive.org link which someone added to the title records instead of the Macmillan edition's record will erase the much more recent link, uploaded this year, which I added in my first edit. On a side note, author's collection Thoughts in Prose and Verse also has been linked, no contents, in case anyone cares to read it and enter genre stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Does everything look as you intended? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:32, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, I don't know, I've completely confused myself. I see one title record still has old link that I removed and I missed another Macmillan link, so I've removed it again and added new link. I don't even think my note above was correct because the new link is for the UK edition so it wouldn't erase the US link. Forget it, I can't do this stuff anymore, 2 more links to approve when you get a chance, someone else will have to take a look and make sure links are where they're supposed to be along with everything else, I'm done. I've got to get out of here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== image delete request ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the old (04:13 hrs) image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DRKBNDCTNF2015.jpg here]. (edit) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:ErsatzCulture#Miller_-_Dark_Benediction this discussion]. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:15, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Kev, You wish to delete the cover with 'jr' correct? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:43, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that's the one. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:20, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine-Thirty O'Clock in the Morning ==<br />
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Curious what happened to the usual 5-minute or so delay at 9:30 every morning. It didn't happen today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The daily backups run between 9:30am and 9:35am. The database is unavailable until they finish.<br />
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: On 2023-08-30 the backup process was modified to exclude a large and fast growing database table which didn't need to be backed up in the first place. An error was introduced while making the change, which caused the backups to fail on 2023-08-31. The error was corrected the same day and the backups have been running smoothly ever since. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:29, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deagol ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Deagol; I added my first-ever message to this PV and noticed all messages are in italics or a weird font or something. Probably not important but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's bizarre. I can't see anything on that page that would cause everything to be in italics. I can't find any other page that are like that, either. I'm guessing it's something that went funky on the backend. We'd have to have Al or Ahasuerus look at it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Nevermind, I found it. While it shouldn't have affected the entire page (it should have only affected the part after it), I removed the italics from the page with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADeagol&type=revision&diff=670207&oldid=670204 this edit]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:29, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Here's another page; https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Clarkmci. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pastel City. ==<br />
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Hello mods. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1868818 This] interior art is the same artwork as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2251327 this] title record. I'd also like to rename the interior art record from "The Great Rebellion [1]" to "CA 440 Minifreighter" (as per art caption in Cowley's Great Space Battles). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:38, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If there is a caption (or a title somewhere) in the book, then yes, rename and use that - captions and titles from inside of the books are always used when known instead of the standard [] notation. If the title was coming from a secondary source, we would just add it into the notes but if it is in the book, go ahead and rename. And variant it to the cover :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:30, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You may want to participate at [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F|this Rules and standards discussions]]. As pointed out in that discussion, the current rules do not include using the caption / title (though that has become a common practice) and so far there has not been agreement to change the rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:00, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Will do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:45, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1))<br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy<br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb<br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original)<br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original)<br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb<br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb<br />
page 155 Futureboro (original)<br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction:<br />
The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page <br />
to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books {{unsigned|RogerSSS}}<br />
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== Protocol for working on recently added/changed publications ==<br />
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There has always been potential for moderators unknowingly working on the same set of submissions. Early on we added the ability to put submissions "on hold" in order to mitigate this problem. Later, we added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent_activity_menu.cgi Recent Activity] page and, even more recently, "Edit History", which helps avoid confusion and cross-approvals.<br />
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At the same time, the recent implementation of the "self-approver" system significantly increased the number of editors who can approve submissions. Earlier today we had a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eccentric_Orbits:_An_Anthology_of_Scienc collision] between a moderator working on new submissions and a self-approver who noticed the new publication and tried to improve it while the moderator was still researching it. The result was a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?970089 mishmash of approvals].<br />
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What should be the standard for moderators and self-approvers working on recently approved records which the original approver may still be researching? Since we now have Edit History, should it be something like:<br />
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* Before correcting/adding data to a publication record, check its Edit History. If the record has been created or modified within the last 24 (12? 48? 72?) hours, check with the last approving moderator to see if the record is still being researched.<br />
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? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider it always a good idea to talk to the editors and moderators that had worked on a record that still need work before changing the work of people -- sometimes they have an edit staying in a browser and never submitted, sometimes they just had not had a chance to get back to the record to fix it (or got distracted) and sometimes it is a misunderstanding of the rules on someone's part - the person trying to improve or the editor who started it or simply a disagreement on how things need to be entered where the rules allow editor's discretion. And especially if the submitter is a new(ish) user and there is no note from the handling moderator on their page yet but I think it is common courtesy in all cases. Asking for 24 hours grace period is a good first step I guess. Adding to that the requirement for communication before the edits are done will be even better - and will also help getting our editors closer to being self-sustaining. I did not think that we need to put that in writing but apparently it is not as self-evident as I always assumed it to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Could we add a flag to each record that gets set when a change is submitted, and then removed 25 hours after the submission is approved (and removed if a submission is declined)? Then the system could display a note on the edit page for any record that has that flag set. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, if the goal is to display a warning when an editor tries to edit a publication record that has been modified within the last 24 hours, then it can be done without adding new flags. We already have Edit History; it would be easy to modify the software to check it and display a warning. We'll just need to decide on what the warning should say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Mountain being made out of a molehill. No need to add bureaucracy and development effort for a problem that rarely happens. This is a collaborative project which means people could occasionally work on the same items, but, in practice, it rarely happens in a short period of time. People should not feel possessive about their edits. An equally valid solution would be for moderators to put edits on hold and do their research prior to accepting the submission. That way they can make the corrections immediately after accepting the submission. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Let me just clarify that adding a note along the lines of "This Publication was last edited by X and approved by Y on 2023-09-12 at 12:34pm" to EditPub forms affecting recently edited publications would be quite simple. We already have all of the requisite data in a readily accessible location within the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Apparently the definition of possessive, as used in the above comment, is the approving moderator making the necessary changes and/or communicating with the submitting user immediately after approval. Isn't that exactly our responsibility? If not please enlighten me. I don't believe a software solution is necessary. It would surprise me if anyone else would decide to edit a publication immediately after its initial approval. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Re: "edit[ing] a publication immediately after its initial approval", I have come close to accidentally colliding with other editors/moderators a few times. I am subscribed to Amazon's automatic notifications for certain authors. When they publish new books, Amazon sends me an email. Sometimes other editors/moderators buy the same books the day they are published and enter them into the database at around the same time. I don't think it has caused any issues yet, especially now that we have additional yellow warnings, but it's been close a few times. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:09, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: It doesn't take a moderator to know we cannot edit submissions, but must approve them and then make corrections. The comment about research before approval is also incorrect. I had identified the changes I wanted to make. However it took me eight minutes to enter the corrections and the notes to moderator , review and post. P.S. I would have promptly replied to a query as to status.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::This proposal is for a 24-hour period. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:46, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then propose a shorter window. The last time an editor (sitting on the recent updates queue and jumping as soon as they thought they saw something they MUST update now), made a merge on a story in an anthology of 20 titles or more, most of which required updates in the titles and authors (capitalization and spaces an so on) and follow-up merges and my edit had to be redone from scratch because the merge deleted the title ID - thus making the edit unworkable. I did not raise the question back then - I just redid the edit, posted for the new editor (first edit by them -- and anthologies tend to be... not fun) and then walked away for the day. It was not the first time that had happened. If common courtesy won't regulate that and it does happen more often than once in a blue moon, then we will need to spell out some rules. It is not about being possessive or not doing research before approval - it is about giving a moderator the needed time to do their post-approval edits before losing their time and forcing them to either redo the edit from scratch or look through multiple edits to see if something conflicted somewhere and a second edit is required. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The above proposal doesn't address your scenario. A title merge is not a publication edit so wouldn't get the proposed warning. Collisions can happen without people sitting on the recent updates queue & without editing the same pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:54, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: It does - when the merge is because someone opened the recently created publication and looked for duplicates and decided to "help", that is exactly the issue at hand. Collisions always happen - and we all learn to live with them. But these are easily avoidable with a bit of common courtesy (or with a rule that says not to do it - if nothing else works). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Standards question has reached an impasse ==<br />
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Three verifiers cannot reach agreement regarding current standards. The question revolves around the publication pages field and content titles page field. Please help resolve the impasse [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#1634:_The_Bavarian_Crisis here] Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Mandelo, Revisited ==<br />
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Although we view the Lee Mandelo name change as closed, this has not been the case in the general public. In particular, the ISFDB Wikipedia article has recently used Jason Sanford's article about the Lee Mandelo situation as factual evidence of an issue, and I would like to post actual counter evidence of what actually happened. As such, I've been working on two documents. The first is a post-mortem of the situation, which provides a detailed timeline of every submission and communication which is related to the name change. It then summarizes the system issues and potential recommendations. Once the post-mortem is finalized I will post an Open Letter to the SF Community, which will reference that post-mortem.<br />
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The intention of this two articles is to provide a reference-quality document that can be added as a reference to Wikipedia, if needed. So I'd like the documents to be clean, and not contain large sections of indented discussions. There definitely should be discussions, but not within those documents. The first document is available now at:<br />
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* [[User:Alvonruff/A_Post-Mortem_on_the_Lee_Mandelo_Name_Change]]<br />
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Discussion about the document can occur here. Feel free to directly correct any grammar/spelling errors. Detailed discussions about the potential implementation of the recommendations should take place in the usual locations. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 10:42, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Is this discussion only open to moderators? I appreciate Community Portal can be noisy, but assuming that this discussion is open to all ISFDB stakeholders, maybe have a link on that page here at least? <br />
: (Super trivial observation: maybe fix the "Revisted" typo in the item title, before there are any links pointing at the wrong title?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:00, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Fine with me to move the discussion so that it is open to all. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 15:08, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Organizing all of the publicly available data -- submissions, Wiki discussions, etc -- as a timeline sounds like a reasonable idea.<br />
::: One thing that we may want to consider is how the ISFDB project communicates with the outside world. Currently, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_other_Web_sites_and_social_media_accounts_does_the_ISFDB_use.3F the ISFDB FAQ says]:<br />
:::* ''What other Web sites and social media accounts does the ISFDB use?''<br />
:::* ISFDB administrators may post announcements on [http://isfdb.blogspot.com/ this Blogspot] Web page in case of extended unscheduled downtime or connectivity problems. There are no other official or ISFDB-endorsed Web sites, Web pages or social media accounts. Non-ISFDB Web sites and social media accounts maintained by individual ISFDB contributors (editors, moderators and administrators) are independent of the ISFDB and are not endorsed by it.<br />
::: This policy was originally formulated in part due to the existence of Web sites/Web pages like [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb this Facebook page] which uses the ISFDB name and images without clarifying that it is not affiliated with the ISFDB project.<br />
::: The policy means that our project is currently a closed system with no Web/social media presence aside from the ISFDB Web site and no official communications with the outside world except by individual ISFDB contributors acting on their own.<br />
::: If we are to change this approach, we will presumably want to formulate an official communications strategy first. Something like an official social media account, perhaps? (I don't use social media outside of Web/Usenet forums which discuss SF, so I may not be the best person to come up with ideas.)<br />
::: Alternatively, Al could post an "open letter" as an individual. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:12, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::One thing we need to do is try to work with Sanford to correct his information in [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/genre-grapevine-for-december-31-2022 his post]. At least based on the timeline Al posted, the first time a concern was posted in one of the public forums here is on Dec 14, 2022 by the author in question, and everything was handled within less than a week. So saying ISFDB "fought against changing Lee Mandelo’s name in the site’s author listing for over a year" is rather a stretch. As noted, we should find a way to make it more clear when we will change a canonical name, but we certainly weren't "fighting" against changing it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: A new section, "How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?", was [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AFAQ&type=revision&diff=651853&oldid=651852 added to the ISFDB FAQ] on 2022-12-26 based on this and previous discussions. Can anyone think of additional ways to increase its visibility? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:13, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Additionally, Sanford describes Username as a moderator, which is not and has never been the case. At the very least, his comment was certainly insensitive, but Sanford should do his homework before trying to smear the moderators. Simply checking the list at the top of the Moderator noticeboard would have clarified that point. The "bad publicity" really had nothing to do with us making the change. It was the author posting here and making a request. Once we were made aware there was an issue, we discussed it and quickly made the updates (as noted, within less than a week from being made aware of the issue). The majority of that less-than-a-week was sorting out exactly what needed to be done to make all the changes as it's not a simple thing to do, and things have to be done in a specific order in order to not make it even more difficult to update. <br />
::::I think having an official Twitter/X and/or Facebook account would be good as those are the two largest social media platforms for publishing-related things. The Blogspot site is fine, but no one is going to think of looking there since it's rather obscure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Excuse me, how did I get roped into this nonsense? Some trans activists try to bully this site into changing someone's "dead" name and it's my fault now? What comment are you referring to? I do more edits and leave more messages here than everyone else combined --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To clarify: as of last morning, of the 234,773 submissions approved in 2023, 17,359 (7.4%) were created by [[User:Username|Username]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:41, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: so mentioning a singular thing I said a long time ago is pointless because I wouldn't remember it, anyway. Quote me what I supposedly said. EDIT: Never mind, Mr. Sanford quoted me on his Substack page where I quite logically inquired as to what would happen if Mandelo decided their transition was a mistake and wanted to transition back; would Mandelo and all the assorted friends bully ISFDB into changing everything back to Brit? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F current policy] is:<br />
::::::* The name chosen to be the canonical name is the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre.<br />
:::::: Lee Mandelo provided evidence that the "most recognized name within the SF genre" was "Lee Mandelo". Once we confirmed it, we changed the canonical name as per the policy, not because the author requested it. Whether the policy should be changed to account for author preferences is a different issue and fodder for the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: There are countless people online who have said their transition was the result of peer pressure or mental/emotional confusion or bad parents/doctors who encouraged them to transition for their own personal/monetary reasons and, tragically, many of them have already had body parts removed that they'll never be able to replace. Pretending otherwise is choosing not to accept reality. If Mandelo feels like their transition will be permanent and they're happy with that, fine. ISFDB is a gigantic site and highly disorganized; expecting it to run smoothly for one person is unreasonable. The delay in changing the name was due to a complete breakdown in communication, not because of transphobia. I reject terms like "bigoted" and "insensitive" to describe my remark; an apology will suffice. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To my shame, I didn't say anything publicly when this kicked off originally - instead choosing to walk away from any association with this site for several months - but quite frankly, I feel that this site would be better off without you. All the edits you do to fix bad data are great in themselves, but I don't think they are worth all the aggravation you cause. If I recall correctly, at least one moderator refuses to work on your edits, and numerous other moderators and editors have had run-ins with you over your edits and general attitude. You've promised on numerous occasions that you intend to leave this site, any chance you can fulfill those promises?<br />
:::::: It's one thing when that stuff is kept internal to this wiki, but when it explodes into the public domain, like it did last December, then all of us get tarred with the same brush, which is why I walked away then. I have numerous issues with what "the other side" did last December - e.g. Sanford's apparent lack of any sort of reaching out to get the ISFDB side of the story; the fact that (as IIRC Scifibones also found) 5 minutes of investigation disproved the claim that the deadname wasn't being still being used for publications (although it looks like some/most of them have finally been updated) - but it's hard to defend the ISFDB position when you had utterly poisoned the discourse. If you don't believe the comments you posted were utterly inflammatory, can I suggest you step out of your FoxNews/Daily Wire/Newsmax/whatever bubble, and understand that you can't talk to people that way?<br />
:::::: Maybe I'll get attacked or censured for this comment, but quite frankly, I'd rather that happen, than have been silent on this. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:03, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: [[User:Username|Username]] has been warned about being abrasive and about personal attacks, e.g. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Warning_re:_the_last_exchange_with_Willem_H._on_the_Community_Portal here]. However, the ideal outcome is not to drive abrasive editors away, it is to help them improve their ability to communicate with other editors to ensure that the project functions smoothly. If it doesn't work, then [[ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy]], which provides for escalating penalties for misconduct up to and including an indefinite block, comes into play. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Re-reading [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]], I have a few suggestions:<br />
* "14 December 2022" where it says "Mandelo posts a request to the Moderator Noticeboard". I suggest linking [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display the Moderator Noticeboard discussion].<br />
* Same day where it says "A 4-day bibliographic discussion follows with numerous open questions, with responses from Mandelo." I suggest adding that the current standard -- "For authors who publish under multiple names, the canonical name is the most recognized name for that author within the genre" -- was explained to Lee Mandelo who then provided evidence supporting the notion that, as of 2022-12, the "most recognized name" was indeed "Lee Mandelo". That's what triggered the canonical name change.<br />
* The "Recommendations" section of [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]] suggests the following change to the canonical name policy:<br />
** The Canonical Name of a living author should only be changed at the request of the author in question.<br />
* This would be a fairly major policy change which would affect a number of scenarios. For example, we have received canonical author change requests based on authors trying to promote new working names. To quote what I wrote during the 2022-12 discussion:<br />
** It's been occasionally proposed that we make exceptions to our canonical name policy for certain types of scenarios. For example, {{A|Debora Geary}} published ''A Modern Witch'', a series of popular urban fantasies, in 2011-2013. Then, after a painful divorce, she removed all of them from Amazon and restarted her career as Audrey Faye. A few years ago she published a non-fiction account of her recovery after divorce ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835287 Sleeping Solo: One Woman's Journey Into Life After Marriage]) in which she explained why she could no longer be associated with the name "Debora Geary". Another example would be a person converting to another religion and changing his or her name to reflect new beliefs. Changing one's gender would be another scenario which has been discussed a few times, including [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Canonical_names_for_transgender_authors an extensive Rules and Standards discussion in September 2018].<br />
** So far these discussions of possible exceptions have failed to lead to a new consensus, in part because of the number of possible scenarios and sub-scenarios. For example, consider {{A|Poppy Z. Brite}}, who has been using the name "Billy Martin" socially since the early 2010s, but whose books continue to be published as by "Poppy Z. Brite".<br />
* We will need to discuss the proposed change on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page.<br />
[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:23, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In my opinion, the best part about the current policy is that it is quantitative/qualitative and not subjective. We did not use "Brit Mandelo" because of someone's whim or someone's views on Mondelo's gender identity or even popular vote. Technically, the switch from Brit to Lee as canonical was made because the underlying measure of primary identification changed over time and "Lee Mandelo" supplanted "Brit Mandelo". I don't think we should have a blanket policy that authors or their agents can request changes. That's another form of whim, and the ISFDB's purpose is not advertising for authors or publishers. Perhaps one thing we could consider, though, is a policy allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change. E.g., if "ABC" came to us and said "I changed my name to 'XYZ', and all of my books are being pulled from the shelves and are being reissued using that name. Could 'XYZ' be configured as my canonical name?" ISFDB could then project the future and perhaps act early. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:19, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Re: "allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change", we ran into an issue in this area back in the late 2010s.<br />
::: In 2015 the author who had published the "Vladimir Tod/Slayer Chronicles" series as {{A|Heather Brewer}} [https://ew.com/article/2015/06/25/heather-brewer-zac-brewer-transgender/ changed the name] to "Zac Brewer". There were plans to republish Brewer's old books under the new name and at least one SF story was indeed published that way. Based on that, an ISFDB editor proposed that we change the canonical name to "Zac Brewer" with the expectation that it would soon become the "most recognized name ... within the genre". At the time we decided to wait and see what would happen in another year or two.<br />
::: As it turned out, the name "Zac Brewer" was used on 2 non-genre novels in 2016-2017, but all new speculative fiction (2 novels and 1 story) appeared as by "Z Brewer". I guess it goes to show that making assumptions about future releases is chancy in the publishing business. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I agree. Keeping the policy as objective as possible is a good thing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:43, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]], thanks for a very nice job on the timeline. I'm not sure anything posted on social media ever changed anyone's opinion, but it accurately documents the facts. Sections 3 and 4 are better served as the kickoff to the Rules and Standards discussion and should not be included in the public release. A subsequent post documenting our reasoning and any changes is a better course. Anyone interested can follow and/or participate in the R & S discussions (I anticipate multiple threads). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], If you are going to link this thread to the letter, I suggest starting the main thread and moving [[User:MartyD|MartyD's]] & [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe's]] posts there. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:54, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I agree that discussions of the current canonical name policy and any proposed changes belong on the Rules and Standards page. I am just waiting for Al to chime in and clarify whether he meant to propose a change. If he did, then we can move the policy part of the discussion there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:00, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: For Al's postmortem, I think it would be helpful to quote the first paragraph of the '''Canonical Name''' definition from [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] and to summarize the "enter-name-as-it-appears-in-the-publication" policy and provide links to [[Template:TitleFields:Author]] and [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] prior to getting into the timeline. That is the working context for the data present in the system and various events that occurred during the timeline. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:32, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: That's a good point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Review of" ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412925; While my editing which ended after Labor Day won't resume full-time until October I did, after a week without any edits, start doing a few handfuls of clean-up edits fixing this or that which lately have been almost entirely related to D. F. Lewis. I just came across an interesting situation which a mod should probably take care of because it's a 2-step process, changing ESSAY to REVIEW and then link review from the menu, which mods can approve instantly instead of me doing one step and then waiting for approval before doing the other step. Nemonymous 3 mentioned in the review in the zine linked above is on ISFDB, titled Gold Coin; the issue of New Genre is also here as is the issue of Gigamesh. The last non-linked review is of a Norwegian novel whose title translates as a ghost story so that book almost certainly is eligible and should be entered here and then the review linked to it. That one may require someone with a knowledge of the language. I tried to figure out how to search for all instances of "review of" in All Hallows issues but I couldn't do it. Maybe someone else knows how or, if not, an issue-by-issue check will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pohl - Gateway ==<br />
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Has anybody any suggestions how [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rudam#Pohl_-_Gateway this situation] might be resolved. No progress has been made as the PV is unresponsive. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image Deletion ==<br />
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Could a moderator please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THBKFSTRND2014.jpg this image]. The licensing tag information is incorrect. After the deletion, I will re-upload with correct tag. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:47, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. You could have edited the tag BTW :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't realise I could do it myself. Thanks for the image deletion and the heads up re editing the licence tag. I have now figured out how to do it for the future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:44, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shutdown ==<br />
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Library of Congress has an ominous red warning about what will happen if the U.S. government shuts down a few days from now. Will anything on this site be affected or will it make no difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:57, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The only effect will be not being able to look up LCCNs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LOTR Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3078415; Another editor added an archived link to the Canadian edition recently but nobody ever added a link to the USA edition which has been there since 2010 so I just added it. The title is in question because it's written in fancy font on title pages; PV Auric seemed to think Film Book should be 2 words but other editions are Filmbook. So which should it really be, and should Part I be removed from USA title since it's not actually part of the title in the book? PV doesn't respond very often so I thought I'd bring it up here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for Voyage of Mael Duin's Curragh ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49434; I just had my edit adding an archived link and fixing cover artist/adding interior artist but after looking at it I realized dates are off because Locus, https://www.locusmag.com/index/b1.htm, has one of those 2-date things and someone entered book as October but title and cover art are September, with my new interior art credit matching the book's October date. What's the rule? Which date should they all be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:What does it state on the copyright page? If it includes a month, that's what we should use. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:04, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::No, there's no month, if there was that would take precedence over Locus. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art credit removal ==<br />
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As we don't credit designers for coverart, would moderators agree to removing Michniewicz's titles from {{P|129031|here}} and {{P|174091|here}}? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:50, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2000/b5.htm#A119.2 Locus1] credits Michniewicz for the first one's cover. Since he is PV for both, you could try reaching out to Michael (use the ISFDB to send him mail) and see if he'll respond and offer an opinion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:34, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Unfortunately I can't use the email system (it won't work with my provider, even though Ahasuerus has tried to fix it for me) so the only possibility there is if some kind soul would email him for me.<br />
::As far as I can ascertain from all the pub notes, Michniewicz is credited as designer for a lot of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?168 the series] for the simple graphics. It is only for later issues where Gollancz have incorporated actual artwork that the artists get credit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:29, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Any other help please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:03, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I would leave a note on [[User talk:Mhhutchins]] re: the proposed changes. If there is no response after a week, we can remove the COVERART titles and document the designers in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've left a message on his talk page. Thank you for the advice! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:10, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Goss ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?239252; 2 different guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:39, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Goat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?882813; Can a mod take a look at those last 2 edits? I see at least a few problems with ID and web links; maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow Edits ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MOHearn#Return_of_the_Shadow; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5782555; I contacted MOHearn but we have some cross-editing going on so if I can ask one of you to approve my edits (assuming there's no problem with any of them) starting with the one linked above and going through 5782728 (there's 4 non-Shadow edits from 5782649 through 5782652; ignore those) so we can put these behind us. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== El Topo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5784269; HC copy uploaded recently, I'm going to add it (I added that paper edition a while ago) but wanted to get this edit approved first assuming mods agree it should be a chapbook since novelization is only 80-something pages with the rest being non-fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning up English translations of RUR ==<br />
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Hi all, I'm in the process of cleaning up the English translations of {{A|Karel Čapek|161}}'s {{T|2218756|RUR}}. This has led to a bunch of related edit submissions ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791148 5791148], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791149 5791149], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791151 5791151], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791157 5791157], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791159 5791159], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791160 5791160], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791188 5791188]), several of which will involve follow-up edits.<br />
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That said, I'm not quite sure how to approach cleaning up one of the existing {{T|1156033|chapbook}} / {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} pairs. There are 3 associated publications: {{P|328124}}, {{P|362654}}, {{P|529466}}.<br />
* '''{{P|328124}}''' is an English translation by David Short that I expect is distinct from the other two publications.<br />
* '''{{P|362654}}''' is an English translation by David Wyllie that is currently mapped to the wrong title(s) based on viewing the publication's title page via a reading sample from Amazon (see edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995]).<br />
* '''{{P|529466}}''' is a seemingly unknown English translation from Amazon's on-demand (self-)publisher. I haven't been able to find much trace of this particular edition online. I'm guessing this is likely a reprint of the out-of-copyright translation by Paul Selver possibly further adapted by Nigel Playfair.<br />
Do the following actions seem appropriate for this situation?<br />
# Unmerge {{P|328124}} and associate with new variant chapbook and shortfiction titles (distinct translation by David Short)<br />
# Unmerge {{P|362654}} and associate with different variant {{T|1114927|chapbook}} and {{T|1314651|shortfiction}} titles (distinct translation by David Wyllie)<br />
# Leave {{P|529466}} as is, but update associated {{T|1156033|chapbook}} and {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} titles to note that this is an unknown translation.<br />
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Thanks! --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 14:03, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep - when we know the translators of a specific book, unmerge the chapbook and the story, make them variants and add the translator to the notes of both titles. We had been slowly chipping at the early messes such as this one, created long before we started recording translators on the title level - so thanks for sorting it out. I also tend to add a "This title may contain multiple distinct translations" note or something to that effect to the one with unknown translators - when there is more than one book anyway. If two unknowns are known to be different, we also unmerge them and add as much as we know on their notes to identify what goes where... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:23, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Jules Verne has lots of examples of multiple translations in various languages. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:29, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks, that makes sense. I mainly wanted to check how to handle this particular instance because I expected the translator could be identified if someone checked this particular edition. Jules Verne is a good (although more complex) example that I'll keep in mind when I clean up future translation records. --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 17:45, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: We are playing catch-up on these -- for a long time, we did not separate or record per translator - so since we started, it had been a never ending game of finding all of them. And the ones translated into English are the most problematic due to the volume - in most other languages, we are mostly done with adding the Translator template which required the messes to be untangled. There are corners of the DB like that - where you will find surprises you would think cannot happen. Jules Verne looks as good as he does because Doug spent months fixing the records. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Old cover image delete ==<br />
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Could someone please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MCKNGBRDPV0000.jpg the old image], Date/Time: - 11:47, 23 February 2014 - to prevent reverting. The new image is identical but larger. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:26, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:20, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Annie! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Invaders by Adelia Saunders ==<br />
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This concerns the cover art shown for Publication Record # 777558, Invaders by Vaughn Heppner<br />
The cover art shows the author to be Adelia Saunders. She did not write a book called Invaders. She did write one called Indelible.<br />
I went over to Brilliance Audio. This is just a generic cover they use. Its the same cover for Invader by C.J. Cherryh, Artemis Invaded by Jane Lindskoid and a number of others including The Spirit of Dorsai, By Gordon R. Dickson [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 19:51, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?777558 Updated], thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derived prices in early Bantam Books ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25 Bantam Books] was founded in 1945 and concentrated on publishing mass market paperbacks. As far as I can tell, early on they didn't display prices on the cover or on the spine. However, some (all?) of them, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''''The Day He Died''], had ad pages in the back with one or more lists of books which you could buy by sending $0.25 plus $0.05 for postage to the publisher's address. I suppose it's likely that the list price was also $0.25, although it's not a guarantee.<br />
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Some online sources explicitly state that the list price was "$0.25", but I don't know where their data comes from. Some of our records also display "$0.25" in the price field, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''], which has the following note:<br />
* No price stated, but ad pages for current releases list $0.25 price.<br />
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Clearly, this situation requires an explanation in the Note field, but what would you enter in the price field? $0.25? Leave it blank? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:11, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems ok to me to use $0.25 and treat the ad as a secondary source. If we had a book with no printed price on it, found a review (or announcement) contemporaneous with its issuance, and that review stated a price, I think we would normally be happy to use that and cite the review as the source. The ad situation strikes me as equivalent. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:03, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree. As long as there is a note explaining the sourcing of the price, this is not different from finding a price on a publisher site, a contemporary review or any other secondary source. If we ever find a better information that contradicts the price as derived via such a method for that specific book, the note can be adjusted and the price changed if needed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:44, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to Ahasuerus for following up my discussion with him and getting this cleared up. Here's a list, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=contains&TERM_2=Latham&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=Bantam&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], of all Bantam books PV by Scott Latham; he entered prices for all of them and there's a note in the third book that he got the price from Tuck. EDIT: In the 4th book there's a note, "Price from ads in the back, listing other Bantam titles all for 25¢", so it seemed random whether there's no price note or where he got it from if he did leave a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:56, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think this is fine. A note should be included stating where the price was from, but I have no problem sourcing prices that way. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Thanks, folks. I have updated the publication record, deleted a duplicate pub and notified the affected verifier. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Can we have some clarification please because I am confused by this discussion.<br />
:Ahasuerus' initial post implied to me that we are looking at a situation where an unpriced book contains a house ad listing other books for sale from the publisher. All these books are listed with an identical price but the list does NOT contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario A.<br />
:However, MartyD and Annie's replies imply to me that they seem to think the list DOES contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario B.<br />
:We need to consider these two scenarios separately.<br />
:Scenario A: I do not consider it appropriate to infer the price of a book from other contemporary books. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11582 Ace 1st pb ed of Dune], published in 1967, is priced 95c. It's a fat book for its era. However, Ace pb's in that year were typically priced around 50c. So if, hypothetically, Ace books published in 1967 did not have a cover price then it would be erroneous to infer that Dune was 50c based on a house ad listing other contemporary books at 50c.<br />
:Scenario B: This is not contentious. Record the price in the Price field and add a mandatory pub note stating the source, ie the house ad. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:52, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry, I may not have been clear. The ads in the back of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''The Day He Died''] do include ''The Day He Died'' (with the correct catalog ID) in the list of books that you can get for $0.25, so it's "Scenario B" above.<br />
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:: Now that I am thinking about, there may be an additional twist. According to Jon Warren's "Official Price Guide: Paperbacks", some early Bantam paperbacks had 2 versions which shared the ''same'' catalog ID: a regular version and a version in a dust jacket. I don't recall seeing dust-jacketed versions, which are apparently highly prized among collectors. I don't know how they were priced and whether you could get them from the publisher for $0.25. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ah, all is good then. Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:53, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name out of date? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79169 G. Arthur Rahman] has about 15 titles under that canonical name, from the 70s and 80s, but he has over 30 under the name Glenn Rahman (and a few under other forms of the name). [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976477 Here] is my entry of some new 2023 stories in addition to those on that author page. I'm holding off on making them variants to ask: Could his canonical name be changed from G. Arthur Rahman to Glenn Rahman to reflect the majority of bylines? -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:29, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Working on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:31, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I'd think so - provided someone sets out to do the transformation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:32, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done! You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15307 here]. Let me know if I missed anything as this one was more complicated due to the number of pseudonyms. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks, Nihonjoe! I'll put the new stories into their series and look over the older ones. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 13:38, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Juliana Pinha --> Juliana Pinho ==<br />
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Hello, would it be possible to correct 'Pinha' to 'Pinho' in this entry for INTERZONE #295? Thank you.<br />
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190 • Notes From the Meeting of the First State Feder World Court: Walker Dairy, Freeville, NY, 198 Year One: Jessica Jane Pearson Vs. The Stranger Mr. Jacob Hampton • interior artwork by Juliana Pinha<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?977484<br />
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--[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 14:29, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: This depends on the way the artist is credited in the issue: we do document the spelling of a name, even if it is mistyped in a given magazine issue (and then do variant it to the canonical name, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3146115 this example]). <br />
: Anyway, since "Interzone" #295 is primary verified, it is etiquette to ask / inform the primary verifier. You can reach him [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk here]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:05, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the info. It is 'Pinho' in the magazine (on the story cover page, and in the contents page). I'll move this to the primary verifier page, thanks.<br />
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:: --[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 16:55, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Bridge by James E. Gunn, Jack Williamson ==<br />
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Publication Record # 31949 states the artist is Ed Valigursky and that there was not any credit in the book. That the credit came from Jack Williamson's Seventy-Five: The Diamond Anniversary of a Science Fiction Pioneer. Heritage Auctions (fineart.ha.com/itm/paintings/gordon-pawelka-american-20th-century-star-bridge-paperback-cover-1963-oil-on-board-20-1-2-x-1/a/8000-71029.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515) has the artist as Gordon Pawelka. Was this a name used by Valigursky or do we have a conflict?? Hey Heritage could be wrong. It sold in 2020 for $3000 {{unsigned|Aardvark7}}<br />
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== RUSSWOTHE ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:RUSSWOTHE; I made a minor edit for a book PV by this person and noticed there's a stray message in the wrong place. Is it possible to move it to their discussion page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:21, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Followup: Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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Hello. I did not receive a response to my [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Crowley_and_Aziraphale.27s_New_Year.27s_resolutions September 2023 question] about how to catalog a weirdly-published Good Omens short story. So I am repeating the question here, please. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 14:25, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not eligible unless it was downloadable as an ebook - we allow only a limited set of online fiction and "a publisher site" is not amongst them. If it was downloadable as an ebook, it will be added as a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wrong tag for L. Sprague de Camp's ''The Hardwood Pile'' ==<br />
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Hello to all. The tag "science fiction" has been wrongly attributed to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57951 this story], which is only a fantastic and humorous ghost story. Could a bureaucrat please remove it ? TIA, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:31, 12 November 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Remove non-SF/fantasy/speculative fiction incorrectly attributed to an SF author ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I recently read and loved the story "In the Days After..." in Asimov's Science Fiction, November-December 2023 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3238197). I was curious about this author who was new to me, with a story I really liked, so I checked ISFDB.<br />
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Most of his work is noted as 1981 and beyond, with a long gap (~28 years) from 1995 to 2023. The Asimov's blurb does note that Frank Ward (William Francis Ward) did take a long time off from writing for "life". https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11458<br />
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There is a 1958 story listed under Frank Ward, "The Dark Corner". I was suspicious of this, as Frank Ward is listed with a 1950 birthdate.<br />
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I checked around. Galactic Central does show a substantial mystery body of work by a different Frank Ward, from the 1930s to the 1960s. http://www.philsp.com/homeville/cfi/n00786.htm#A5<br />
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I confirmed with the current Frank Ward via email that he did not write the mystery story "The Dark Corner", which does show up under the other Frank Ward at Galactic Central.<br />
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Given that "The Dark Corner" here is not by this Frank Ward (William Francis Ward), and that the other Frank Ward who wrote "The Dark Corner" appears to have written mysteries but not SF, fantasy or speculative fiction, I am assuming that I need to delete "The Dark Corner" story from ISFDB. I further assume this is done by the "Delete this title" button.<br />
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Please confirm, or let me know what is needed.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:There's an issue with one of Ward's titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?914168, the Fantasy Book Index, https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+pegasus+suit%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221983%22, says "Pegasus", there's a contents page scan on AbeBooks, https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Fantasy-Book-February-1982-Third-Issue/30051987897/bd, which probably says the same although it's blurry, only way to be sure is looking at the story's title page which would require a copy of the zine, you may want to ask him if he owns it so he can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I'm not quite clear what the issue is. When I looked at any of the 3 copies of the "An Index to Fantasy Book, Volume 1", at Internet Archive, they all note "The Pegasus Suit". Thanks for the clarification.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:57, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for checking with the author! I have disambiguated the author name -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370798 the result here] -- and updated the title record.<br />
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::: As to whether we want to remove [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2550138 "The Dark Corner"] from the database, it depends on a couple of different factors. The story appeared in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569570 anthology ''Bodies and Souls'']. Its dust jacket says "Fourteen Tales of Worldly and Other-Worldly Murder, Mayhem and Mystery", which suggests that it collects both SF and non-SF stories. We currently list one of the stories, "Too Many Coincidences", as "non-genre" while the rest are listed as SF. It's entirely possible that some of them are non-genre; we just don't know one way or the other. Once we know more about these stories, we can decide what to do with the anthology. Since it apparently contains at least some SF stories, we will want to keep the publication record, but if the overwhelming majority of the stories are non-genre, we may end up removing them and documenting them in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::My thanks for handling this. I appreciate and concur with the thinking, and I'll try to retain that for the future. Mr. Ward is pleased this has been revised.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: ISFDB says "Pegusus" which is obviously a misspelling of "Pegasus" but a look at the header on the story's title page is what's needed because it's entirely possible, as so often in zines, that titles differ from what's on the contents page. Searching for "Pegusus Suit" online finds only ISFDB and a couple of booksellers that obviously copied their info directly from ISFDB so it's likely just a simple mistake by whoever entered the contents here. You said you spoke to him via email so maybe you can ask him if he owns that issue of Fantasy Book to check and if it's wrong it will be fixed to "Pegasus". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I have reached out to Frank Ward on this question. I'll circle back when I know, and then correct the title if needed. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I have confirmed with Frank Ward by check of his copy of the 1982 Fantasy Book that "Pegasus" is the correct spelling. He thanks us for making the correction. I will submit that now. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Bodies and Souls is linked at Archive.org in the notes section of its record here so the story can be read to determine if it's genre or not as can the other contents; also, it's much longer than the others in the book and should probably be given novelette length. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::I checked at Galactic Central. They believe this story ("The Dark Corner") is a novella. I will make that change.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts II==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg&wpUploadDescription=%7B%7BCID1%0A%7CTitle%3DA%20Muster%20of%20Ghosts%0A%7CEdition%3DCecil%20Palmer%201924%20hc%0A%7CPub%3DMSTRFGHSTS1924%0A%7CPublisher%3DCecil%20Palmer%0A%7CArtist%3DUnknown%0A%7CSource%3DScanned%20by%20%5B%5BUser%3AUsername%5D%5D%7D%7D]; I was going to upload SFE image but it seemed familiar and it turned out I'd done it already but the image didn't go to the right place; also this old edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959, has been sitting there for months because without an image the signature couldn't be seen. So can someone get the image fixed and approve the cover artist edit? EDIT: After I entered this message it didn't go to the right place because I'd already written about it, with the same message title, long ago but nobody ever answered; it's up above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The image has been added to the pub & your edit approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:06, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MP3 CD price on Amazon note ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that Amazon is now typically showing the as new price for MP3 CDs whose publisher is "Audible Studios on Brilliance Audio" as $10.02. The list price for these CDs as reported on brilliancepublishing.com is almost always $9.99. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:23, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon ==<br />
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I've noticed that Amazon.com is used frequently to verify a publication date. I just wanted to point out that it's an unreliable source, because any time they don't know the exact date, they use the first of the month.<br />
For example, the publication date of this book: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?535016 is listed as 2008-11-01, but the data is from Amazon, so I don't know if that's the accurate date, or they just used the first of the month because they didn't know any better. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Clauditorium|Clauditorium]] ([[User talk:Clauditorium|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Clauditorium|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: The quality of Amazon's records varies a great deal. It's not always clear why the bad data is the way it is, but we can make educated guesses, at least in certain cases. For example, Amazon occasionally -- I would say around 5-10% of the time -- lists unrealistically low (14-32) page counts for English e-book editions of Japanese "light novels". It seems to be related to the fact that some light novels have short (4-20 pages) manga sections at the beginning of the book. We don't know why it affects Amazon's page counts, but it's something that editors have to keep in mind when entering light novel records using Amazon's data.<br />
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: Re: dates, it depends on how old the record is, where the book was originally published and the publisher. For older books, some records have no day/month information, some add arbitrary "-01" or "-01-01" to the end of the month or year, and some have surprisingly accurate dates even for books published in the 1960s/1970s. Our best guess is that "surprisingly accurate dates" come from publishers' catalogs that Amazon has/had access to.<br />
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: Amazon.com's records for books published in other countries frequently list the "US availability" date as the publication date. There can be a big gap between these two types of dates for books originally published in the UK and especially in Australia/New Zealand, which is why Amazon's dates for these types of books are often wrong.<br />
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: Also, a note on the terminology. We use Amazon stores -- Amazon.com, Amazon UK, Amazon DE, etc -- as ''sources'' of our data, but we don's use it for ''verification''. We have a number of recognized "secondary verification" sources which you can see if you display a publication record and click on "Verify This Pub" link under "Editing Tools", then scroll down to "Secondary Verifications". Like everything else in this world, these verification sources are not perfect, but their data is, on average, better than Amazon's.<br />
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: Ultimately, the ISFDB data is only as good as our sources. Even primary verified data can be imperfect due to data entry errors and misunderstandings. That's why it's so important to document exactly where our data comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== US Copyright Office website ==<br />
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Do you guys ever use the US Copyright Office website? I would think that would be the most reliable source. It often has publication dates down to the day, whereas other sources only have them down to the month.<br />
https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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: We use a variety of secondary sources to determine publication dates as discussed in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources this Help section]. The Copyright Catalog can be (and have been) used as a secondary source of information as long as we keep in mind that their "Date of Publication" values and "Registration date" values are often different, so we need to make sure to use their "Date of Publication" values.<br />
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: Another thing to keep in mind is what [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] calls "Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality":<br />
:* Publication date does not always perfectly match the calendar date. For example, a January issue of a magazine is usually available in December of the previous year, and often earlier than that. Books with a January publication date may often be bought in the closing weeks of the prior year; they will show the later year's copyright date, even though that year has not yet started. In these cases, the convention is to use the official publication date rather than to try to identify when a book actually first became available. If there is a large discrepancy -- for example if a book was printed but unexpectedly delayed before release -- then this can be noted in the notes field.<br />
: [https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=26&ti=1,26&SEQ=20231120164838&Search%5FArg=crichton%20michael&Search%5FCode=NALL&CNT=25&PID=hderjMf9JaGhuG3tox2UMY1nLcK_&SID=1 This Copyright Catalog record for the first edition of ''Disclosure'', a non-genre novel] by {{A|Michael Crichton}}, is a good example. The "Date of Publication" value is "1993-12-20", but the publication date stated in the physical book is "January 1994". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:02, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: When it comes to magazines, I'm aware of the disconnect between publication date listed on the copyright site and the date printed on the magazine cover. {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Back when mass market paperbacks took off in the United States, their publishers piggybacked on pre-existing distribution channels and inherited some of the peculiarities of the magazine distribution system. They also had to deal with numerous technical limitations of the printing business as it existed ca. 1950. For example, you could order a paperback with 96 pages or a paperback with 128 pages, but anything in between wasn't viable because of the way mass market paperbacks paperbacks were produced. Sometimes authors and/or editors were able to cut or pad stories to make everything work seamlessly. Other times typesetters had to add empty pages or use other tricks to pad the page count.<br />
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::: We see similar issues surface even in 2023. Amazon's page count values are often off because publishers create pre-publication records based on estimates. When books are produced, the actual page count is usually different. Not all Amazon records are updated post-publication, so we always take what's there with a grain of salt. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:10, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As for novels, I've noticed that in several cases, the date listed by isfdb.org is missing the day, but the copyright site will have this info. For example, Misery by Stephen King is listed here as being published on 1987-06-00; on the copyright site, the publication date is indicated as 1987-06-08 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1513). If I come across such occurrences, should I make a correction, crediting the copyright site? {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Sorry, I didn't quote the most applicable part of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Date]] earlier. Here is the relevant section:<br />
:::* The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See Secondary Sources of Dates.<br />
::: So the answer is yes, editors can make the date more precise as long as it is "otherwise consistent with publication's stated date" and the source is documented in Notes. If there is a discrepancy -- as in the case of {{A|Michael Crichton}}'s ''Disclosure'' (see above) which was offered for sale in late December 1993 but the printed publication date says "January 1994" -- then we use the printed date and optionally document what secondary sources like the Copyright Office or Amazon say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:24, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Captured By the Engines ==<br />
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Can someone approve my submission 5819033? Because I need to add month to merged art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications" on the New Submissions page ==<br />
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A new table, "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications", has been added to the New Submissions page. It will appear at the top of the page if any pending submissions affect the logged-in moderator's primary verifications. If you run into any issues, please report them here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:27, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Can Ellen Be Saved ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291669; I just uploaded new cover but it didn't go to the same Wiki page and replace old cover, it just created a new page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I added the new one to the pub and deleted the old one after verifying it was not used in any other pubs. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One New Message ==<br />
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"The following Contents titles have dates after the proposed publication date"; I got this message after submitting an edit for Tor ed. of G. Masterton's Mirror because month was April, not May, and cover art needed fixing in another edit. Is this new? I don't remember seeing that before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This warning was [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#New_yellow_warning_when_a_changed_Publication_date_is_before_one_of_the_Title_dates implemented on July 31] as per {{FR|1569}}, "Add a warning when a changed pub date is before one of the title dates". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:08, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Server issue? ==<br />
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Is there a server problem? I'm getting a 500 Internal Server Error message when trying to submit a Clone Publication. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:26, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Nevermind. I opened a new Clone the Pub tab and was able to submit the request successfully. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Log In ==<br />
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Why am I not logged in? Is there some new problem now? I see Username when I'm on the Wiki pages but the front page says "You are not logged in". EDIT: I got tired of waiting so I entered "Username" and "password" and that worked but a message popped up saying password was used in a data breach on Google or something like that. I don't know what's going on. Maybe someone can tell me if anyone else got that message or got logged out for no reason. I sincerely hope all of my info and edits and everything else that was there before I re-logged in is still exactly the same and nothing was changed/lost. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Old Edits ==<br />
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I'm trying to get my edits that have been sitting for months approved. I'll start with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747517, which is just a simple change from a dead Google Drive link to one that works. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747546; Just a simple cover image, Rudam said long ago in the thread "Rejected?" on his board that there's no need to ask about covers except for a couple of specific publishers. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749772; Just an archived link and an obvious format fix. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Changing the format is a major change and should not be approved unless the active verifiers have agreed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750346; Just an archived link and an obvious fix of LCCN in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::The active verifier has asked that he be contacted through the email system about changes. No indication in the edit that this was done, or what the response was. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750954; Just a simple LCCN ID and cleanup of several misspellings in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Moderator note only states "cleaned up sloppy note" without specifying what was changed. Best to notify the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757566; Just a simple note about the cover; it's on this page, https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/3786/fred-pickersgill-graves-give. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::This one is more of a judgement call. Personally I think it's too much information that is not germane to the publication. What does the soundtrack artist have to do with the book? I could have lived with something along the lines of "Cover is from the filmed version of 'The Female of the Species'". However, other moderators may differ. At a minimum, if we're going to go into this much detail, it should probably go below a <nowiki>{{BREAK}}</nowiki> tag. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved by JLaTondre. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Science ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5824080; I did add the archived link and the cover image but I didn't touch those reg. title art and story things so does anyone know why it says I did? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: It is a kinda known issue with the software when titles contains special characters, especially older titles added before some of the latest changes in handling these from the last years (in this case it is the <nowiki><</nowiki> that is throwing the fit. Because of that, the comparison for changes detects a change - even if there is none). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:56, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title change with no PVs ==<br />
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I was getting ready to add the audiobook and CD editions to Steven Erikson's novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424072 Rejoice] but noticed that the correct title name should be <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i> instead of just <i>Rejoice</i>. I looked at WorldCat, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, SFE, and Wikipedia, and in all cases except SFE, that is shown as the correct title. Would there be any objection to me changing the title to <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i>? None of the publications have a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:17, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The publisher also refers to it as 'Rejoice, A Knife to the Heart', [https://www.promontorypress.com/books/rejoice-a-knife-to-the-heart/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SF Adventures Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827099; I can never remember which changes to names affect what, so if someone can approve this assuming artist change won't mess anything up with info on his page or whatever. Also, both PV are long-gone so someone may want to check and see if there are any little details that I missed which need correcting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looks good, submission approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:01, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Liam Hogan versus Laim Hogan ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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In working to add the story "Ana" by Liam Hogan in "The Best of British Science Fiction 2016", I need to add it's first publication in Scientific American, as noted in the "Best of British Science Fiction" copyright page and else on the internet at Scientific American.<br />
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I checked the author's name. There is no "Liam Hogan" currently in ISFDB, but there is a "Laim Hogan", the author of the 2019 short fiction "XX". "XX" is listed as published in "Best Indie Speculative Fiction: Volume Two, November 2019". Upon looking at that "Best Indie..." on Amazon, the preview shows "Liam Hogan" on both the cover and table of contents.<br />
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Upon checking further, the website https://happyendingnotguaranteed.blogspot.com/p/2014.html for Liam Hogan notes both "XX" and "Ana" as his stories.<br />
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Therefore, I would appreciate it if a moderator could correct this author's name in ISFDB to "Liam" Hogan. Once that is done, I'll add "Ana" in the Scientific American webzine.<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:46, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: We do have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?180891 Liam Hogan] so I cannot rename [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?336607 Laim Hogan]. Same guy I think? If so, the fastest solution is to just fix the author on the stray story. If not, I will be happy to differentiate them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:52, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for fixing the author entry. Looks correct now. I'll go ahead and add the first publication for "Ana" now. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dave888|contribs]]) .</small> 14:03, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A SHORTFICTION title incorporated into the body of a NONFICTION title ==<br />
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I am holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823707 this submission], which would import {{A|Howard Koch}}'s SHORTFICTION title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982024 The Invasion from Mars: A Radio Adaptation] into the 2009 NONFICTION book [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765971 Waging The War of the Worlds: A History of the 1938 Radio Broadcast and Resulting Panic, Including the Original Script]. As the title of the NONFICTION book states, the text includes Koch's script, so normally it would make sense to approve the submission. However, the Notes field explains that:<br />
* Howard Koch's radio script is incorporated into the body of the book's main text, rather than being a separate essay.<br />
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Would you say that it makes sense to list the SHORTFICTION title as a Contents items in this pub? Or is it better presented as a part of the NONFICTION title? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:44, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My five cents: I'd say it makes sense if the piece is incorporated as a whole and without interruptions (of explaining notes). In the latter case the piece may only serve as a means to comment on Koch's unique handling (or something similar). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:25, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::If it's contained in its entirety and its content appears in proper order (whether or not contiguously), I am inclined to allow it. Technically, the work is published in the book. If it's not contiguous, the situation strikes me as similar to publications of "braided" stories. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:49, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks, folks. I have approved the submission, notified the inactive primary verifier and updated Notes to clarify the situation. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Entries disappeared ==<br />
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At least four of my entries from the last few weeks have disappeared from the database. I looked for the new publication series page, Gruselkabinett, as I was going to add more, and it and the four books I entered in it are gone. They're audio books: <i>Der Bluthund</i> by H.P. Lovecraft, <i>Die Weiden</i> and <i>Das unbewohnte Haus</i> by Algernon Blackwood, and <i>Die Toten sind unersättlich</i> by Leopold Sacher-Masoch. Even a new author entry they generated has vanished, the artist on two of the titles, Johannes Belach. I have no idea if more of my entries have disappeared. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 12:24, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking submission history (a moderator-only menu option), I see the following:<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981382 Publication ID 981382, ''Der Bluthund''], created on 2023-12-02 16:30:43. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:08:08. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981093 Publication ID 981093, ''Die Weiden''], created on 2023-11-30 18:58:05. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:37. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981433 Publication ID 981433, ''Das unbewohnte Haus''], created on 2023-12-02 20:36:31. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:13. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* I can't find an audio book version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3248968 Die Toten sind unersättlich] using moderator tools. I could presumably do it using programmer tools, but it would take time.<br />
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: I assume that Stonecreek deleted the 3 pubs listed above as per [[ISFDB:Policy]], which says:<br />
:* '''Included''': audio books, i.e. readings, but not dramatizations<br />
: I'll ask Stonecreek to join this discussion. We'll need to make sure that we are all on the same page or else we'll be stuck in an endless cycle of some editors adding certain books and other editors deleting them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:01, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, I deleted them on the basis of the rule that dramatizations are not to be included. I stumbled over the entry for "Die Weiden" upon reading a review at 'phantastiknews.de' of the play, and found that the other entries for publications fell into the same category. (A good rule of thumbs for a first check is if there are more than one speakers for a piece, it is most likely that it is a dramatization). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. In the future, when you come across publication records for ineligible works (like dramatizations), please use Edit History to identify the original submitter(s) and discuss the issue with them first. That way they will be made aware of what is and is not eligible for inclusion and won't make the same type of mistake in the future. Without an explanation, they'll be either confused and frustrated when the data that they previously submitted disappears or they will continue adding ineligible records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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I should leave it at that, since Ahasuerus was a lot more measured than I could be right now over the situation. -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In the past, we didn't have Edit History, so it was hard to tell who did what when. Now that it's been available for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development/Archive/2021 almost three years], it should be the default tool used to figure out why something appears to be off and whether a discussion is warranted.<br />
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: That said, old habits die hard. I still occasionally catch myself making a change, then realizing that I should have checked Edit History first. Hopefully, things will improve going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: My name was right there in the WorldCat verification on all four of those entries. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 21:34, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: My apologies: I stiil have to adapt to making a direct notification: as with this case I came upon this while doing research for another author at the news site, and carried on with this other task after that to get it done in that specific setting. <br />
::: And I didn't recall that the note left in the moderator's field wouldn't be easy to find. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::: (I'd love to add some really good audio plays to the database, but they ''are'' excluded, just like the ones you had added). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series Parent Position and Series Num fields ==<br />
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"Series Num" can have numbering that are not integers (e.g., 2.1, 2.2, etc.), but apparently the "Series Parent Position" field when editing series can only be integers. Can we change the field to allow non-integer numbering? This would allow subseries to be placed in the correct location with a larger series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:40, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This functionality was requested in {{FR|1403}}, "Allow decimal numbers as Series Parent Position values". Unfortunately, it is much harder to implement than it looks. The way the "Series Number" field works for title records is rather involved; back when I implemented it, it took me weeks to get everything updated and debugged. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds good. I'm glad it's on the list. Thanks for all your work on the backend of things. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic information for Strange Tales ==<br />
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For the UK magazine Strange Tales edited by Walter Gillings I believe that the noted second printing of the first issue is just a variant cover. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?618191<br />
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In George Locke's Spectrum of Fantasy, volume 1, page 3 he states as such. His examination of the two copies he had was that they were identical with the exception of two different covers. I would find it hard to believe that an attempt of a new publication which was dodging the fact it was a magazine would go into two printings, as there were still paper shortages after the War. The price on both covers is the same, one shilling net on one cover 1/- on the other. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jwkbooks|Jwkbooks]] ([[User talk:Jwkbooks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jwkbooks|contribs]]) .</small> 17:12, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Long time for approval? ==<br />
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Is it unusual if my relatively minor edits take two weeks or more to be approved? Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 22:38, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Typically, it wouldn't take that long, but unfortunately, the "New Submissions" queue has been very long recently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:51, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 00:17, 28 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Missing Clone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5832571; What happened to the clone? It's not there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The submission failed because one of the titles in the cloned publication, 2439970 (Intelligence and Luck), is no longer present. It appears that the title was merged in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816680 this edit] which was submitted on November 21st and approved on December 12. I'm guessing that your clone submission was submitted within that time frame. When the merge was done, the other title record was the one that was kept, and 2439970 was deleted. You should be able to re-clone the container title and pick up the current contents including the merged title of that story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:11, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art weirdness ==<br />
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So browsing (as you do). I came across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1379001 this] cover art entry which seems, to my eye at least, an identical piece to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139158 this one]. Any comments ?--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:40, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:To my eye, these look identical. We would have to research the Maria Carella credit for the French ones. Likely Herve put on one and then carried that over into the other by cloning. The Tim Jacobus credit on the ''Doomsday Book'' covers seems clear (from copyright statement on hardcover's jacket flap). My first guess would be a misinterpretation of some sort of general artist credit on ''Le grand livre'' as referring to the cover instead of to interior artwork. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:42, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) These are definitely based on the same cover art. The question then is whether the cover artist was really credited as "Maria Carella" in this J'ai Lu edition or whether it's a data entry error in our database. Checking Google, I see that J'ai Lu has used at least two other covers -- https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjbJRjGrF4EtBXromnm4E-mn-bwNjmriUiD9y_zEqCWxOsPAdQkITLtQ-6VzOAKbgq3b4&usqp=CAU and m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61mHPaZVmdL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg -- and it's possible that one of them was done by Maria Carella. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:49, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I did more research and found some pictures. In the original Bantam edition, the copyright page has "Book design by Maria Carella" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_37245aad-355d-4ecf-981b-2939ddd31921_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]) and the rear flap says "Cover illustration &copy; 1992 by Tim Jacobus" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_7be69af1-7c70-4430-86da-f306440e8119_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]). So I think the book design credit got conflated with cover artistry, either by J'ai Lu or someone else (if Herve did not have the books, his source might have been NooSFere, which credits the cover to Carella). Unless anyone disagrees, I will change the credit on the French ones and document the discrepancy with French secondary sources and probable source of the confusion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Nice! I also wonder if {{A|Maria Carella}} was the cover artist or the cover designer for the first (1988) edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354512 Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology]. Our source is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t203.htm#A12107 the Locus Index], which simply says "cover by Maria Carella". <del>For what it's worth, the Internet Archive has the [https://archive.org/details/visionsofwonders0000unse/page/n5/mode/2up 1996 edition, which has a different cover, on file] and its copyright page says "Design by Lynn Newark"</del> -- '''never mind, it turns out that "Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1988) and "Visions of Wonder: the Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1996) are completely different'''. Even if we keep Maria Carella as the cover artist, we will want to change her working language from French to English. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:41, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=maria+carella; She's mentioned in 16 notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I made these adjustments: Maria Carella language to English. ''Le grand livre'' cover credit to Jacobus (+ variant to ''Doomsday Book'' cover). Added note to French cover and to the first of the French pubs about secondary sources crediting Carella but her being credited as book designer (and Jacobus as cover illustrator) in original Bantam edition. Added note to Bantam hc about the book design credit. I found some pictures of portions of the interior of that anthology, but they did not include the copyright or credits pages, so I couldn't conclude anything about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:28, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Data entered exactly as on books [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/74/Grand_livre.jpg 1994 on top, 1995 below, "illustration" having the same meaning in both langages, "de" meaning "by"].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] ([[User talk:Hauck|talk]]) 05:26, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Well, that is quite clear, too, then. Then I guess we should have a "Maria Carella (in error)" as an alternate name then, with the above explanation, and the cover art with that credit as the variant. And no direct credit to Jacobus in the J'ai Lu editions. Does that sound correct to everyone? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:28, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::Sounds good to me. I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10617 Bantam 1st ed hc] and have checked it against the above discussion and concur. The book also states "Jacket design by Jamie S. Warren Youll" on rear flap which reinforces the statement that Maria Carella was only involved in the book design, not the cover. I have PVd the pub record and submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847617 this edit] to add extra info and change the source of all the data to the actual book. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:34, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::::Happy New Year, everyone. I have made the further adjustments I proposed above, and I accepted the changes to the Bantam edition. Please correct -- or let me know about -- anything that still is not as it should be. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:08, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New translations of Ursula K. Le Guin's Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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A few days ago I posted 2 records for a 1981 and a 2002 edition of ''Pimeduse ahem käsi''. the Estonian translation of ''The Left Hand of Darkness'', and 2 images for their respective book covers. I realize it's the holiday season and that there's a backlog... I have a Bulgarian translation as well and I'd like to upload that, though I worry that I'm not doing it right. Also if there are any editors or moderators here with a particular interest in Le Guin I'd like to make your acquaintance. Cheers, [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 14:45, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Hello and a happy new year, Evertype! I do think that I do fall into the category, as Le Guin is in the top three of my favourite authors. I have to admit that most of the copies I own contain German translations (and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar Jens]' German collection seems to be even more complete, but nowadays he isn't so often around). I know there are lots of translations of her work missing (with Dutch, French & German seemingly well-covered). If you have any questions that you think I might be able to help in, just ping me on my talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:16, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== External ID: PPN ==<br />
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It seems that the Dutch National Library has changed its www address. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs Here] it is "picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/" but doesn't work any more. The new one seems to be "picarta.oclc.org/psi/xslt/DB=3.9". Please have a look on that. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 13:35, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: The "PPN" template has been updated as well. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:48, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Charles Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873365; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873368; Can I get these 2 edits approved? I was going to add the other book by the author mentioned in the F&SF essay but online photo says Charles Williams on title page; checking further revealed that it's the same for Rolling Pin. There's already a famous novelist of that name and an artist on ISFDB so what do you think this guy should be known as, maybe (I)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pages of deceased users ==<br />
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Would it be helpful or useful to block the user pages and talk pages of deceased users, so no edits or submissions can be made any more? Ahasuerus told me these pages viewed as something like memorials, so they should be left untouched. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:40, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Generally, we put the [[:Template:Deceased user|Deceased user]] template at the top of their pages so people know not to post comments or questions there. So far, I haven't seen a huge problem with simply leaving them as they are. If problems do occur, we can always lock the pages so only admins can edit them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:49, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Locking the Talk pages will cause confusion to newer editors who are directed to post on the PV's pages and if the first few they hit are ones of the ones we had lost - asking them to post there while they cannot will either make them never post anywhere or just get frustrated. Plus the pages that we want to preserve are the User pages, not the Talk pages. I'd argue that User pages should be locked for Admin and the user they belong to at all times but that will make life harder and we do not have too many issues so I never raised that up as a proposal. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I was only suggesting locking the pages if we ran into problems where someone was editing them maliciously and we needed a way to stop it. Pages can be locked from editing for a brief period of time, too, which is generally the only kind of locking that's needed. Only in extreme cases would a page need to be locked for more than a week or so. I do like the idea of locking the user page of deceased editors, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: We are in agreement -- I was just mentioning that locking the Talk pages is going to cause other possible issues downstream (unlike User pages which can be safely locked without side effects). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:07, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Add link at the bottom of "Author Merge Update" ==<br />
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After two or more authors are merged, can we please add a link to the resulting record on the confirmation page (post approval). Now you need to either keep a record open or look for it again once the merge completes. (the script in question is cgi-bin/mod/aa_merge.cgi). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:29, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: {{FR|1591}} has been created and implemented. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Now, that's quick fix - less than an hour between reporting and getting it live on the server ;) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Safari ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?648417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884004; PV used wrong cover so I uploaded right one from recent archived copy but they also added wrong uploaded wraparound image in the notes. Can someone approve my edit and then move the note over to the other edition? The record number doesn't make a difference to where the image points, I assume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: The note has been moved to the correct publication. Is the interior art the same for both publications? If so, merge the two tile records. If not, we need a note on each and a do not merge warning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:33, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shattered Lens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892580; After checking further it turns out the correct title I fixed "Tears" to was used for the story's reprint in a magazine a few years later. After approval will the titles merge on their own or will it need to be done manually? If manual, can someone approve this so I can merge before I forget? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Approved. You need to merge them. Submit and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:13, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::All done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:19, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX; It won't make much difference to my PV because I only have about 50 but I can foresee trouble with others if he starts adding Roman where they don't belong. This is a common problem with other editors, too, where they add Roman even though the numbering goes straight from Roman to non-Roman. A LOT of DAW Books, for example, have unnecessary numbers entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:From the help, bullet point 2 under [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Pages]:<br />
:* "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers for introductory material, followed by Arabic numerals for the main text of the book, enter both sets of numbers. For example, a book with a page count field of "viii+320" has "viii" as the highest numbered page with a Roman numeral. (Note that there are no spaces in the page count.) Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored. Note that you should include the enumeration of the pages in Roman numerals even if there is no material that requires a separate content record (such as an introduction or preface) in those pages. This is in contrast with the situation with unnumbered pages prior to page 1; see the following bullet point for what to do in that case."<br />
:[https://www.ebay.com/itm/296164887458 This ebay.com listing] shows Roman numerals as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897763 this submission] suggests. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::If I understand that correctly then I disagree and you can find many instances on the boards here where mods tell editors to enter Roman only if the book doesn't continue the numbering straight into the Arabic. That's the way I enter Roman (except possibly for my early edits where I wasn't sure what I was doing) and so do many others. This has led to a lot of confusion. For example, this record's notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629077, mention this situation and only Arabic were entered while the notes here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979406, are similar but both Roman and Arabic were entered. I'm sure there are countless other examples. So nobody seems sure what the right way to do it is but if one has really been decided on then that would entail fixing thousands and thousands of records where they were entered the other way. That would be a huge task. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::For my own understanding's sake: The situation being discussed here is a contiguous set of pages, ending on Arabic-numeral'ed '''''366''''', but where the first fourteen pages are Roman-numeral'ed '''''i - xiv''''' and the remaining three hundred fifty-two are Arabic-numeral'ed '''''15 - 366'''''? If that is the case, I don't think the help covers this scenario. While the second bullet does seem to call for entering the highest Roman numeral plus the highest Arabic numeral, the third bullet also talks about counting backwards from the first "numbered page to see which is page 1". That would technically mean page i is also page 1, and there is no introductory material before page 1. The second bullet seems to assume the numbering of the pages for introductory material does not overlap the numbering of the pages for the main text, which is not the case here. Recording xiv+366 would record the numbering accurately but would completely distort the page count, which is that the Pages field is all about. I would record this as Pages = 366 with a note that the main text starts on p. 15 and the pages prior to that are numbered i - xiv, just as I would record it with Pages = 366 and a note that the text starts on numbered p. 15 if there were no numbered pages before it with any relevant content. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:32, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::Ah. Pages. My favourite subject. :-)<br />
::::I agree that the Help Notes do not cover this scenario adequately. I doubt the scenario was considered when the Notes were written. Consequently, past editors have just done what they think best at the time. As Username correctly states, no matter what we decide here, there is a legacy problem of all the existing inconsistent records which will be almost impossible to reconcile. I also agree that an explanatory pub note in this situation should be mandatory.<br />
::::However, that is where my "agreements" end. In this example, Pages should be recorded as xiv+366. Under the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Help for Pages], the bullet point starting "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers" unambiguously states that both Roman and Arabic Numerals should be entered. The following bullet point, starting "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1" is not applicable to this scenario because there are no unnumbered pages before page 1.<br />
::::Although xiv+366 does distort the page count, this argument does not hold water because it is existing ISFDb policy that we do distort the page count. See this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book#Some_examples_about_page_count_accuracy How To] under the bullet point starting "Approximation:"<br />
::::Another feature I like about using xiv+366 occurs in the situation where there is recordable content in the Roman Numeral pages. Suppose there is a map on page vi. Then vi would be entered as the start page of the map in the Contents section. It would look really illogical and inconsistent if the Pages field for the publication merely contained 366. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:08, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pandemic ==<br />
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Since the CDC officially ended its Covid-19 declaration in May of 2023 the note on our front page about forthcoming books possibly being delayed by the pandemic should be removed. Any delays now are due to other reasons. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hound Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5909601; Can someone approve this if they agree all my additions/changes are correct? Whoever entered author info spelled legal first name wrong so it needs fixing and I'm not sure if the info will be there with the name change per book's title page or if a mod has to do it from the author's record or something or other. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:03, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Done. I moved the info from the old author record to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?376213 new record], correcting that spelling error. I also fixed the review to refer to the M.-less name, so the old record went away due to no further references. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:48, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== George W. Barlow ==<br />
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Bonjour, je vous contacte pour l'article concernant mon père George W. Barlow<br />
Il y a quelques corrections et compléments qu'il voudrait apporter :<br />
Concernant sa biographie :<br />
il est né à Le Havre en Seine Maritime et non à Grenoble (où il vit)<br />
il a fréquenté l'Ecole Normale Supérieure de la rue d'Ulm et en est sorti Agrégé d'Anglais <br />
Vous trouverez ces données biographique en quatrième de couverture dans l'ouvrage que vous citez :<br />
La Science-Fiction (1987) (avec ANDREVON Jean-Pierre et GUIOT Denis)<br />
M.A. Editions, Le monde de... n° 39, 1987.<br />
Concernant sa bibliographie :<br />
-vous pouvez rajouter le roman « Antéros » publié en 2012 chez EONS collection Fantasy n°140<br />
et republié ensuite à compte d'auteur chez The BookEdition sous le titre « Antéros et chimères »<br />
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Je me tiens à votre disposition pour tout complément d'informations et vous saurais gré de me tenir informée de la suite que vous donnez à mon courrier.<br />
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Très cordialement.<br />
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Catherine Matheron/Barlow <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Catalpa|Catalpa]] ([[User talk:Catalpa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Catalpa|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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== Series ordering help ==<br />
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Hi all. I could use some help with [[User_talk:Piedro01#Mary_Stewart_Merlin_.2F_Arthurian_Saga_series_ordering|this discussion]] about ordering within one specific [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?12110 title series]. The publisher, and other sources, refer to each title's place relative to the others using the publication order. Our current series ordering reflects that. The editor feels rather strongly that the series ordering should instead reflect the internal chronology of the stories. I am afraid I may be biased, so I could use some other opinions (or even more definitive guidance, if I have misinterpreted something). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:33, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: I prefer publication order (except for some prequels that can go at 0 or novellas and stories that fall in between novels to get in their places)... We have it like that in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?689 Foundation] for example - with the two prequels at the end of the list even if they are chronologically first. If an editor insists on doing something else and they are willing to document and show sources where that other order is used and it is the common way the series is numbered online/in sources, I would consider it. But if the publisher and most other sources refer to the order in a different way, it just confuses things. As we cannot show two different sorting ways, editors are welcome to add Notes on the series page with the chronological order if they want... <br />
: In this case, I am with you - leave it at publication order, add a note for the chronological order - mainly because this is the order that people usually use outside of our DB. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:18, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::I agree with Annie, for the same reasons given by Annie. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:33, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::If current policy is not changed, there is no basis for rejecting [[User talk:Piedro01|Piedro01's]] two submissions. However, I also favor changing policy along the lines [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] spelled out. That's what I have always used, not realizing I could be outside policy. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: Out of curiosity - which policy do you think that the current order of that series (and Foundation) contradict and needs changing for them to be "in policy"? If you are saying that we technically do not have a policy and either way can be considered correct (so the submissions are approvable because of that), then the overall policy of ISFDB (we document what we see/find, we do not invent) is in favor of leaving them as they are based on almost all other sources using the current order. Plus I also favor "first editor decision stands within reason" in ambiguous situation because nothing prevents another editor from changing them back next week and that will also have to be approved if this one is approved if it does not contradict policy (with both being correct, that process can happen a lot of time). If I am misreading what you are saying, can you clarify? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:41, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::I do notice upon further review that the section of help cited goes on to say this: '''''Please don't change pre-existing numbering schemes unless you are sure that they are in error.''' Any series with this sort of ambiguity in internal ordering should have the sequence worked out on the Community Portal. This includes prequels, which can be listed first in the series, before the main entries; or listed after the main entries; ...'' So I suppose what ordering to use for this series should be brought up for debate on the Community Portal. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:51, 13 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== SV removal ==<br />
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In the USD edition of {{P|290822|Dilvish, the Damned}} Reginald3 is correctly SV'd and numbered. In the {{P|10142|Canadian printing}} it has also been SV'd - wrongly. Could someone remove that and mark it N/A. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:42, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== adding a publication ==<br />
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Can a publication listing be added before the item is offered for sale? (i.e., I have obtained an ARC with all relevant info, but the book is not scheduled for publication for a couple more weeks) {{unsigned|Fabius}}<br />
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: The short answer is "yes". To quote [[Help:Screen:NewPub]]:<br />
:* '''Future Publication Dates''' - ISFDB captures records for some publications that have been announced for release in the future.<br />
:** New publications announced for the near future (within the next 90 days) should be given that future publication date.<br />
:** Do not create records for newly announced publications scheduled for release more than 90 days into the future, as these plans often change.<br />
: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: One small note to add - if you are working from an ARC, mention it in the notes (when we work from pre-release records, we note the date for example making it obvious that we are adding pre-publication). Things change between ARCs and the actual book occasionally so that will minimize the risk of us ending with two separate records downstream. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Second set of eyes please. ==<br />
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I've submitted a publication [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5709664 deletion]] that I'd rather not self-approve as it involves someone else's entry and PV. Thank you in advance. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:23, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: After reviewing the data I agree that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?483390 record 483390] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556122 record 556122] apparently describe the same pub. I see that one of them has been verified by you and the other one by [[User:Don Erikson]], who has been inactive for the last 3+ years.<br />
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: One way to handle this situation would be for you to delete "your" pub record, then to primary-verify Don's pub, thus keeping both primary verifications. Would that work for you? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:58, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: An obvious approach. I reloaded the cover image as well. Will deleting a publication automatically get rid of the associated image? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:46, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The only effect deleting the publication has on the wiki page is breaking the link back to the publication. I went ahead and deleted it, mod only function, since you reloaded the image and created a new wiki page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:23, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mouser Goes Below ==<br />
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Hello. After a long while, I have released this edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5374496] for other moderators to have a look. While Willem agrees it's a Novel rather than a Novella, I am not entirely comfortable with affecting the change. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Examining the text in my ebook collection, I see that the submitter is correct: it contains over 64.5K words. I would make it a NOVEL and leave a canned message on the primary verifiers' Talk pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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PS. Real-life hasn't been nice to me the last couple of months, hence my absence from the site. Not sure when/if I will be back... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry to hear about the real life issues! Hopefully things will improve sooner rather than later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I've approved the change to NOVEL and fixed all the translations to be NOVEL types as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:37, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hollowing ==<br />
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Hello Mods. I have a question regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289319 this] publication. I made a note that the book has an appendix, which is an in-universe folk tale of Ryhope Wood by Goerg Huxley - i.e. it's fictional. The tale has a title and a note before it making it appear as if it is an out of universe (i.e. a 'real world') tale. Should I add this as content ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 02:07, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think your treatment is fine, unless we discover the same story ended up published elsewhere. You might adjust the note to call out that it's a fictional appendix, and its credited author, "George Huxley" is an in-universe character. If you did want to make a content entry for it, I think you'd need to title it something like: "<whatever> by George Huxley" and make the author credit be Robert Holdstock. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'll leave it as is and amend the note per your suggestion. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:16, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who to credit ? ==<br />
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Hello Mods. The can of worms of cover design vs cover photo opens again with the two Gollancz editions of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102350 Trillion Year Spree]. I made a note for my trade paperback copy that it states "Jacket design by Don Macpherson (over) Jacket photograph by Peter Letts" on backcover. The hardback credits Macpherson wheres the trade paperback credits Letts. So which one of those two get's the cover art credit ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Macpherson does not get a credit under any circumstances - designers never do. If the hardback only credits "cover: Macpherson", then I'd been inclined to add a "Macpherson (in error)" credit and pseudonym to Letts thus allowing a variant cover and credits as per the books. As long as Letts photographs are on the cover and not the author photo of course. Alternatively, no credit for anyone and just notes (photographs are a bit of a gray area sometimes as Cover Artists but if you decide to credit -- it should be Letts). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:46, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks Annie. Maybe you could tell Makwood that as I tried to ask him what his hardback copy said (ghaving quoted him what mine said). See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Trillion_Year_Spree here] where he states "So, you're saying the jacket front is a photograph, and not a graphic design? Doesn't appear that way to me". Gonna change the credit. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:46, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brainchild ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5716829; I added 2 ID and a note about page count but it insists that I did something with the title which I didn't. Why is that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the raw database data, I see that the main ANTHOLOGY title has a page number, "|1", associated with it. It wasn't displayed when you edited the publication record because the "Page" field is grayed out and not editable for ANTHOLOGY (and other "container") titles. My first guess was that at one point this publication was a NOVEL or another non-container and the non-container title had "|1" assigned to it. Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?297598 Edit History], I see that this pub did have its title type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3992773 changed to ANTHOLOGY on 2018-10-14], which suggests that my guess was correct.<br />
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: Once your submission is approved, the "|1" page number will disappear. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:54, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change required for variant name: Ren Qing -> Channing Ren ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366142 任青] is listed on the Hugo finalist list with the western name "Ren Qing". When I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959764 the tp pub that has their story], I noted that various sources reported them as Channing Ren.<br />
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I've now bought [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960977 the ebook pub], and - Sod's Law - it turns out that Channing Ren is how they are listed in the actual antho, see [https://twitter.com/ErsatzCulture/status/1679946416830001154/photo/1 here].<br />
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Could someone update [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366143 the Ren Qing author record] accordingly please? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:37, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Also, as an FYI, changing the author name in the English Title record from "Ren Qing" to "Channing Ren" would have deleted the "Ren Qing" author record and created a new author record for "Channing Ren". The new author record would then need to be turned into an alternate name of "任青", but it could be done by a self-approver. Not a big deal, just something to keep in mind in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:31, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks; I did wonder if something like that was doable, but I thought better to just punt it here.<br />
:: There's another one coming down the line, which I've put off, because I spent a day trying to get my head round it, and trying to write it up to confirm (a) a consensus for that course of action, and (b) how exactly to tackle it, isn't something I'm relishing. I don't think many westerners have realized there are 2 different Hugo finalists called [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?344566 杨枫] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366182 杨枫(I)], and IMHO we probably have the disambiguations the wrong way round, as the former should probably be an alternate name for 天爵, who isn't in the database yet. Something to look forward too... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:32, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolfe - Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus - novel and novella dating ==<br />
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Whilst editing two of my own English language pubs of this title I noticed some dating which someone, hopefully, can clarify for me.<br />
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There are two novella titles by different translators {{T|1582693|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} and {{T|1699730|1982-05-00 by Eva Malsch}}.<br />
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The novel {{T|1347139|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} dating looks ok as does the Eva Malsch translation but I don't see a 1974-11-00 Yoma Cap novella publication - only the {{P|414367|1984-04-00}} one as the first instance.<br />
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The note in the {{T|1957|1972-04-00}} novel title page refers to the German translations but doesn't help me.<br />
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So, do we treat the novel and the novella as having the same first instance date? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sequence of events as I understand it is as follows:<br />
:* The novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41405 "The Fifth Head of Cerberus"] was published in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25103 ''Orbit 10''] on 1972-02-16.<br />
:* The novella version became Part 1 of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1957 novel version which used the same title], ''The Fifth Head of Cerberus'', and was first published on 1972-04-00.<br />
:* Both the novella version and the novel version were subsequently reprinted by various US/UK publishers.<br />
:* The second part of the novel version was later reprinted as a separate novelette [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''] in a 1994-07-00 anthology. We have it dated "1994-07-00".<br />
:* Yoma Cap's first German translation of the novel version was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347139 ''Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus''] in 1974-11-00.<br />
:* The first part of Yoma Cap's German translation (which corresponds to the novella version of "The Fifth Head of Cerberus") was [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 reprinted in 1984 and then again in 2002]. The title date of this title is currently set to "1974-11-00" and matches the date of the first publication of the German ''novel''.<br />
:* The third (and final) part of the ''English'' novel hasn't been reprinted as a separate novella. However, the third part of Yoma Cap's ''German'' translation was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T.", a separate novella] on 1983-04-00. The title date of this title is currently set to "1983-04-00".<br />
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: The problem then is that we have an inconsistency. The separate English appearance of the second part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''], is currently dated "1994-07-00" and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. Similarly, the separate German appearance of the third part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T."], is dated 1983-04-00 and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. However, the separate German appearance of the novella version (which is the same as the first part of the novel), is dated "1974-11-00", when the novel translation appeared, as opposed to "1984-04-00", which is when the separate German version appeared.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would suggest changing the title date of the novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 "Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus"] from 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:17, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for taking such a careful look at this and your elegant answer. It resolves my uncertainty about novella/novel treatment and confirms where I thought the problem lay - your 6th bullet point homes in on that. I've submitted the change 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00 as you've suggested :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The submission has been approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:44, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mod Bob ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Moderator-availability; Bob should be removed from the list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:58, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:04, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Spencer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131734; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elizabeth-Spencer/e/B01MFH59N3; Last 2 stories are by a young lady with the same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like Stonecreek has already changed their author from "Elizabeth Spencer" to "Elizabeth Spencer (I)". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, except he added her image to webpage field by mistake, so I've just moved it to the right field, pending approval. Also, the older Spencer has a photo under "Movies, TV and Bio" on Amazon but as usual with "S" URL photos like those ISFDB won't accept them with or without the trailing stuff before .jpg, giving an unsupported message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Your submission is approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:08, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete x2 ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the older images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGM2014.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGB2014.jpg here]. Uploaded by mistake. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted as requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:36, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1968198; I added link to Hodder and created a new record for Crowell, it's W. J. Dawson in both, author name neeeds changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawsey ? Hayes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001; I am not entering all of that info again just for a minor publisher name change so if someone knows how to preserve the one sentence in the publisher record then my edit can be un-rejected. Seems to me it would have made more sense to accept the edit and then cut-and-paste the sentence into the publisher record afterwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I first went to the publisher record and changed the name there. Then that portion of your submission effectively became a no-up (changing the existing name to the same thing, so no publisher deletion), so I was able to un-reject it and approve it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Johnsgard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5718012; I made another edit adding all info except name change, cover artists entered with alternate name for the man so after it's accepted that can be used as the parent, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Change made and submissions approved. Submit an edit to import the cover art credit into the tp and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SJS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=solomon+j&type=Name; 1 credit each for the last 2 guys, your decision which is parent and which is variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:23, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?360672 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:28, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Islands in the Sky cover art ==<br />
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Entry for cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?652621 this] publication shows two different images, although the spacestation is the same the approaching rocket has been replaced by a boy on the 1984 edition - both images are by Peter Andrew Jones. Should the later edition's image not be seperated out and varianted ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:40, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We variant for author, title, language and title type (artwork & serials only). We do not variant for a difference in the artwork. It's the same and we merge or it isn't. The same meaning "all or part of one appears in the other". [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:47, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Alrighty. I only queried since there is a substantial difference between the one signed 'PAJ 80 Solar Wind' and the one signed 'PAJ 81' --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If you think they are different enough, you can unmerge them and add notes on the reasons for it. I think they fall under our "is contained in" or "is part of" rule so they are ok as they are but the rules in that area can be interpreted differently. As John mentioned, they cannot be variants though so the choice is between what we have now and 2 separate unconnected entries. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. I made a note in regards to the difference on the publication, plus the difference is obvious when viewing the cover art entry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Matheson's Musings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Zapp#Musings; Do mods agree that it should be changed to an essay? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:26, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author name change needed ==<br />
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The spelling for author LJ Cohen is currently "L. J. Cohen" [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?203069 sic]. Would a moderator please change it to her preferred spelling of "LJ Cohen"? That is the spelling she uses on her [https://www.ljcohen.net/ website] and which appears on the titles currently recorded in ISFDB. I think the current spelling is a holdover from old spelling rules. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The rules are still valid especially because these are initials (so not really old spelling rules) - but they also allow for author's preference to take precedence. I've changed it and added a note on the page so someone does not "fix" it. As you are the only PV of any of her book I saw, consider this also a notification for the changed in your PVd book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:54, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== (Slightly) clashing pending edits for author Juleen Brantingham ==<br />
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I just submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5730414 5730414], but I get a yellow warning for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730402 5730402] which makes a similar change. My edit is a superset of the latter - adds a more details place of birth, obit link and expanded note - so could someone reject 5730402, or at least apply it before my edit 5730414 gets applied, so nothing gets lost? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Approved them in the correct sequence. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:17, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Horus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722514; Can someone change the publisher to Horus Publishing? After that's done will that lead to unrejecting my edit? Because I've done hundreds since then and it's kind of hard to remember what I did for a single edit days or weeks ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: All good now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:27, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Architecture of Desire ==<br />
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Entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518517 this] cover art has combined three entirely different pieces of art by Chris Brown. Note that [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0e/BKTG04149.jpg this] is not the same as [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/e5/BKTG04151.jpg this] - there are substanial diferences between the two pieces. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:53, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are definitely different. I've separated them into the three pieces. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:44, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:23, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Printing ==<br />
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http://www.cars101.com/firstid.html; I think this would be helpful; I have a pending edit adding a Random House book which starts with 2 in the number line but it's not a 2nd printing, that's how they started their lines for much of their history. Can this be added to Help or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reeves-Stevens - Phase II: The Lost Series ==<br />
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The coverart credit as it stands {{P|32543|here}} is wrong, can we have help from a moderator to sort it out? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:How is it wrong? Have you contacted [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] to see what it states on the copyright page? Is there separate art on the front and back covers? If it's a mashup up two pieces of art, each by one of the two credited artists, the listing is correct. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jem ==<br />
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There seems to be two entries for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117921 this] publication. The note for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322056 this] version also has a 1980 printing and a £1.50 price and points to (presumably) the true 1980 printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?JMRCPBTPGS1980 here]. Can't determine what the difference between the two entries could possibly be. Thoughts ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:36, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accidental cover upload ==<br />
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Hello Mods I inadvertantly uploaded the hardback cover art for a paperback edition (that'll teah me to look first). Title in question is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27997 Return to Eden]. If someone could revert it back to what it was previously that' be great. I have uploaded it to the correct hardback edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Reverted. I also approved your submission adding the image to the Grafton hc. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:24, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg; My cover doesn't show up but neither does the cover someone else uploaded last year. Can someone get my cover to show up? Also, I made an edit adding editor as cover artist so can you approve that, too. You also may want to check to see if the other person uploaded a cover for the American edition (different title) because there's no cover there, either. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== TCASFW Discussion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#TCASFW; When one of you approves my edit you can discuss with this PV what you'd like to do. I think their final message is that one of their volumes has a dash and one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:46, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding image credit , please ==<br />
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Good day,<br />
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I need help.<br />
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I would like to have an INTERIOR ART CREDIT added for Author record # 269730 ; Carl Lavoie.<br />
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It’s in the recent<br />
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Vastarien: A Literary Journal. Vol. 6, Issue 1<br />
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and it’s the frontispiece illustration, ‘The Evil Eye'.<br />
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Here’s a link to a sample of the issue, the illustration is right after the cover page:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/Vastarien-Literary-Journal-vol-issue/dp/B0CBT4B6D1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28D1CYLFVH4XL&keywords=vastarien+literary&qid=1692175645&sprefix=%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-1&asin=B0CBT4B6D1&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1<br />
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And here’s a link to the publisher, listing the content of the recent issue:<br />
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https://grimscribepress.com/issues/<br />
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Thank you. And have a wonderful day.<br />
-Carl Lavoie<br />
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: Thank you for getting interested in our little project. However, it seems as if the issue you refer to hasn't been added yet; the latest one I can find is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?872536 this] from 2021.<br />
: But before you or someone else becomes active and enters it: this seems to be a general literary journal which then wouldn't be eligible per se to ISFDB (which is devoted to speculative fiction); for such a journal only the speculative fiction items, the artwork illustrating them, and essays referring to speculative fiction would be allowed to be included in the entry (see [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions these definitions]. Please think about it, and then think if you'd like to get help to add the publication in question. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:18, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Frederick, Chambers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5746601; I came across Quick Action by Robert W. Chambers and added links (and a Canadian reprint) and then decided to enter links and stuff for other Chambers books illustrated by Frederick. Ran into trouble immediately because Tracer of Lost Persons is as by "R. W. Chambers" so if someone can approve my edit so it can be made a variant and month added to title record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:54, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MRC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2970668; An Archive.org link was recently upped for his 2014 novel so I added a link then I saw that his recent novel didn't have cover art in both editions so I imported it, then I noticed that the cover artist, who is also the author, didn't have a period added after R so it's a separate record. Since R with a period has bio info that means if I add a period it will erase the info, I think, so if one of you can add it without erasing the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I fixed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK) ==<br />
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I'm editing {{P|178073|Asimov's Extraterrestrials}} and on the title page is stated "Dragon [over] Grafton Books [over] A Division of the Collins Publishing Group". We have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27309 Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK)] but my understanding is that we don't record the owners (Collins) of the publishers (Grafton). If that's correct, the four publications (also 1986) listed in that category should be "Dragon / Grafton" (as imprint / publisher). If moderators agree, that's what I propose using in the Publisher field for my edit (and I could also amend the four other publications to the same). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:40, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Not hearing any objections, I'll wait another few days and then implement the above. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:54, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== With/with ==<br />
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I happened to notice that a mod is correcting "With" to "with" in a lot of records. Is there some way to trawl all the records and automatically correct wrongly capitalized words (or vice versa) with a patch or something? Seems like that would be helpful and save a lot of time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multiple Archive.org Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756500; Can a mod approve my edits for Number 87 from the first one linked above and ending with 5756519? I want to know if adding the second Archive.org link which someone added to the title records instead of the Macmillan edition's record will erase the much more recent link, uploaded this year, which I added in my first edit. On a side note, author's collection Thoughts in Prose and Verse also has been linked, no contents, in case anyone cares to read it and enter genre stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Does everything look as you intended? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:32, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, I don't know, I've completely confused myself. I see one title record still has old link that I removed and I missed another Macmillan link, so I've removed it again and added new link. I don't even think my note above was correct because the new link is for the UK edition so it wouldn't erase the US link. Forget it, I can't do this stuff anymore, 2 more links to approve when you get a chance, someone else will have to take a look and make sure links are where they're supposed to be along with everything else, I'm done. I've got to get out of here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== image delete request ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the old (04:13 hrs) image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DRKBNDCTNF2015.jpg here]. (edit) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:ErsatzCulture#Miller_-_Dark_Benediction this discussion]. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:15, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Kev, You wish to delete the cover with 'jr' correct? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:43, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that's the one. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:20, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine-Thirty O'Clock in the Morning ==<br />
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Curious what happened to the usual 5-minute or so delay at 9:30 every morning. It didn't happen today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The daily backups run between 9:30am and 9:35am. The database is unavailable until they finish.<br />
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: On 2023-08-30 the backup process was modified to exclude a large and fast growing database table which didn't need to be backed up in the first place. An error was introduced while making the change, which caused the backups to fail on 2023-08-31. The error was corrected the same day and the backups have been running smoothly ever since. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:29, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deagol ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Deagol; I added my first-ever message to this PV and noticed all messages are in italics or a weird font or something. Probably not important but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's bizarre. I can't see anything on that page that would cause everything to be in italics. I can't find any other page that are like that, either. I'm guessing it's something that went funky on the backend. We'd have to have Al or Ahasuerus look at it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Nevermind, I found it. While it shouldn't have affected the entire page (it should have only affected the part after it), I removed the italics from the page with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADeagol&type=revision&diff=670207&oldid=670204 this edit]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:29, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Here's another page; https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Clarkmci. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pastel City. ==<br />
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Hello mods. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1868818 This] interior art is the same artwork as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2251327 this] title record. I'd also like to rename the interior art record from "The Great Rebellion [1]" to "CA 440 Minifreighter" (as per art caption in Cowley's Great Space Battles). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:38, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If there is a caption (or a title somewhere) in the book, then yes, rename and use that - captions and titles from inside of the books are always used when known instead of the standard [] notation. If the title was coming from a secondary source, we would just add it into the notes but if it is in the book, go ahead and rename. And variant it to the cover :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:30, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You may want to participate at [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F|this Rules and standards discussions]]. As pointed out in that discussion, the current rules do not include using the caption / title (though that has become a common practice) and so far there has not been agreement to change the rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:00, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Will do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:45, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1))<br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy<br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb<br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original)<br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original)<br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb<br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb<br />
page 155 Futureboro (original)<br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction:<br />
The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page <br />
to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books {{unsigned|RogerSSS}}<br />
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== Protocol for working on recently added/changed publications ==<br />
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There has always been potential for moderators unknowingly working on the same set of submissions. Early on we added the ability to put submissions "on hold" in order to mitigate this problem. Later, we added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent_activity_menu.cgi Recent Activity] page and, even more recently, "Edit History", which helps avoid confusion and cross-approvals.<br />
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At the same time, the recent implementation of the "self-approver" system significantly increased the number of editors who can approve submissions. Earlier today we had a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eccentric_Orbits:_An_Anthology_of_Scienc collision] between a moderator working on new submissions and a self-approver who noticed the new publication and tried to improve it while the moderator was still researching it. The result was a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?970089 mishmash of approvals].<br />
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What should be the standard for moderators and self-approvers working on recently approved records which the original approver may still be researching? Since we now have Edit History, should it be something like:<br />
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* Before correcting/adding data to a publication record, check its Edit History. If the record has been created or modified within the last 24 (12? 48? 72?) hours, check with the last approving moderator to see if the record is still being researched.<br />
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? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider it always a good idea to talk to the editors and moderators that had worked on a record that still need work before changing the work of people -- sometimes they have an edit staying in a browser and never submitted, sometimes they just had not had a chance to get back to the record to fix it (or got distracted) and sometimes it is a misunderstanding of the rules on someone's part - the person trying to improve or the editor who started it or simply a disagreement on how things need to be entered where the rules allow editor's discretion. And especially if the submitter is a new(ish) user and there is no note from the handling moderator on their page yet but I think it is common courtesy in all cases. Asking for 24 hours grace period is a good first step I guess. Adding to that the requirement for communication before the edits are done will be even better - and will also help getting our editors closer to being self-sustaining. I did not think that we need to put that in writing but apparently it is not as self-evident as I always assumed it to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Could we add a flag to each record that gets set when a change is submitted, and then removed 25 hours after the submission is approved (and removed if a submission is declined)? Then the system could display a note on the edit page for any record that has that flag set. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, if the goal is to display a warning when an editor tries to edit a publication record that has been modified within the last 24 hours, then it can be done without adding new flags. We already have Edit History; it would be easy to modify the software to check it and display a warning. We'll just need to decide on what the warning should say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Mountain being made out of a molehill. No need to add bureaucracy and development effort for a problem that rarely happens. This is a collaborative project which means people could occasionally work on the same items, but, in practice, it rarely happens in a short period of time. People should not feel possessive about their edits. An equally valid solution would be for moderators to put edits on hold and do their research prior to accepting the submission. That way they can make the corrections immediately after accepting the submission. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Let me just clarify that adding a note along the lines of "This Publication was last edited by X and approved by Y on 2023-09-12 at 12:34pm" to EditPub forms affecting recently edited publications would be quite simple. We already have all of the requisite data in a readily accessible location within the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Apparently the definition of possessive, as used in the above comment, is the approving moderator making the necessary changes and/or communicating with the submitting user immediately after approval. Isn't that exactly our responsibility? If not please enlighten me. I don't believe a software solution is necessary. It would surprise me if anyone else would decide to edit a publication immediately after its initial approval. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Re: "edit[ing] a publication immediately after its initial approval", I have come close to accidentally colliding with other editors/moderators a few times. I am subscribed to Amazon's automatic notifications for certain authors. When they publish new books, Amazon sends me an email. Sometimes other editors/moderators buy the same books the day they are published and enter them into the database at around the same time. I don't think it has caused any issues yet, especially now that we have additional yellow warnings, but it's been close a few times. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:09, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: It doesn't take a moderator to know we cannot edit submissions, but must approve them and then make corrections. The comment about research before approval is also incorrect. I had identified the changes I wanted to make. However it took me eight minutes to enter the corrections and the notes to moderator , review and post. P.S. I would have promptly replied to a query as to status.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::This proposal is for a 24-hour period. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:46, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then propose a shorter window. The last time an editor (sitting on the recent updates queue and jumping as soon as they thought they saw something they MUST update now), made a merge on a story in an anthology of 20 titles or more, most of which required updates in the titles and authors (capitalization and spaces an so on) and follow-up merges and my edit had to be redone from scratch because the merge deleted the title ID - thus making the edit unworkable. I did not raise the question back then - I just redid the edit, posted for the new editor (first edit by them -- and anthologies tend to be... not fun) and then walked away for the day. It was not the first time that had happened. If common courtesy won't regulate that and it does happen more often than once in a blue moon, then we will need to spell out some rules. It is not about being possessive or not doing research before approval - it is about giving a moderator the needed time to do their post-approval edits before losing their time and forcing them to either redo the edit from scratch or look through multiple edits to see if something conflicted somewhere and a second edit is required. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The above proposal doesn't address your scenario. A title merge is not a publication edit so wouldn't get the proposed warning. Collisions can happen without people sitting on the recent updates queue & without editing the same pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:54, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: It does - when the merge is because someone opened the recently created publication and looked for duplicates and decided to "help", that is exactly the issue at hand. Collisions always happen - and we all learn to live with them. But these are easily avoidable with a bit of common courtesy (or with a rule that says not to do it - if nothing else works). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Standards question has reached an impasse ==<br />
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Three verifiers cannot reach agreement regarding current standards. The question revolves around the publication pages field and content titles page field. Please help resolve the impasse [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#1634:_The_Bavarian_Crisis here] Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Mandelo, Revisited ==<br />
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Although we view the Lee Mandelo name change as closed, this has not been the case in the general public. In particular, the ISFDB Wikipedia article has recently used Jason Sanford's article about the Lee Mandelo situation as factual evidence of an issue, and I would like to post actual counter evidence of what actually happened. As such, I've been working on two documents. The first is a post-mortem of the situation, which provides a detailed timeline of every submission and communication which is related to the name change. It then summarizes the system issues and potential recommendations. Once the post-mortem is finalized I will post an Open Letter to the SF Community, which will reference that post-mortem.<br />
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The intention of this two articles is to provide a reference-quality document that can be added as a reference to Wikipedia, if needed. So I'd like the documents to be clean, and not contain large sections of indented discussions. There definitely should be discussions, but not within those documents. The first document is available now at:<br />
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* [[User:Alvonruff/A_Post-Mortem_on_the_Lee_Mandelo_Name_Change]]<br />
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Discussion about the document can occur here. Feel free to directly correct any grammar/spelling errors. Detailed discussions about the potential implementation of the recommendations should take place in the usual locations. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 10:42, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Is this discussion only open to moderators? I appreciate Community Portal can be noisy, but assuming that this discussion is open to all ISFDB stakeholders, maybe have a link on that page here at least? <br />
: (Super trivial observation: maybe fix the "Revisted" typo in the item title, before there are any links pointing at the wrong title?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:00, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Fine with me to move the discussion so that it is open to all. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 15:08, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Organizing all of the publicly available data -- submissions, Wiki discussions, etc -- as a timeline sounds like a reasonable idea.<br />
::: One thing that we may want to consider is how the ISFDB project communicates with the outside world. Currently, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_other_Web_sites_and_social_media_accounts_does_the_ISFDB_use.3F the ISFDB FAQ says]:<br />
:::* ''What other Web sites and social media accounts does the ISFDB use?''<br />
:::* ISFDB administrators may post announcements on [http://isfdb.blogspot.com/ this Blogspot] Web page in case of extended unscheduled downtime or connectivity problems. There are no other official or ISFDB-endorsed Web sites, Web pages or social media accounts. Non-ISFDB Web sites and social media accounts maintained by individual ISFDB contributors (editors, moderators and administrators) are independent of the ISFDB and are not endorsed by it.<br />
::: This policy was originally formulated in part due to the existence of Web sites/Web pages like [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb this Facebook page] which uses the ISFDB name and images without clarifying that it is not affiliated with the ISFDB project.<br />
::: The policy means that our project is currently a closed system with no Web/social media presence aside from the ISFDB Web site and no official communications with the outside world except by individual ISFDB contributors acting on their own.<br />
::: If we are to change this approach, we will presumably want to formulate an official communications strategy first. Something like an official social media account, perhaps? (I don't use social media outside of Web/Usenet forums which discuss SF, so I may not be the best person to come up with ideas.)<br />
::: Alternatively, Al could post an "open letter" as an individual. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:12, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::One thing we need to do is try to work with Sanford to correct his information in [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/genre-grapevine-for-december-31-2022 his post]. At least based on the timeline Al posted, the first time a concern was posted in one of the public forums here is on Dec 14, 2022 by the author in question, and everything was handled within less than a week. So saying ISFDB "fought against changing Lee Mandelo’s name in the site’s author listing for over a year" is rather a stretch. As noted, we should find a way to make it more clear when we will change a canonical name, but we certainly weren't "fighting" against changing it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: A new section, "How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?", was [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AFAQ&type=revision&diff=651853&oldid=651852 added to the ISFDB FAQ] on 2022-12-26 based on this and previous discussions. Can anyone think of additional ways to increase its visibility? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:13, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Additionally, Sanford describes Username as a moderator, which is not and has never been the case. At the very least, his comment was certainly insensitive, but Sanford should do his homework before trying to smear the moderators. Simply checking the list at the top of the Moderator noticeboard would have clarified that point. The "bad publicity" really had nothing to do with us making the change. It was the author posting here and making a request. Once we were made aware there was an issue, we discussed it and quickly made the updates (as noted, within less than a week from being made aware of the issue). The majority of that less-than-a-week was sorting out exactly what needed to be done to make all the changes as it's not a simple thing to do, and things have to be done in a specific order in order to not make it even more difficult to update. <br />
::::I think having an official Twitter/X and/or Facebook account would be good as those are the two largest social media platforms for publishing-related things. The Blogspot site is fine, but no one is going to think of looking there since it's rather obscure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Excuse me, how did I get roped into this nonsense? Some trans activists try to bully this site into changing someone's "dead" name and it's my fault now? What comment are you referring to? I do more edits and leave more messages here than everyone else combined --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To clarify: as of last morning, of the 234,773 submissions approved in 2023, 17,359 (7.4%) were created by [[User:Username|Username]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:41, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: so mentioning a singular thing I said a long time ago is pointless because I wouldn't remember it, anyway. Quote me what I supposedly said. EDIT: Never mind, Mr. Sanford quoted me on his Substack page where I quite logically inquired as to what would happen if Mandelo decided their transition was a mistake and wanted to transition back; would Mandelo and all the assorted friends bully ISFDB into changing everything back to Brit? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F current policy] is:<br />
::::::* The name chosen to be the canonical name is the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre.<br />
:::::: Lee Mandelo provided evidence that the "most recognized name within the SF genre" was "Lee Mandelo". Once we confirmed it, we changed the canonical name as per the policy, not because the author requested it. Whether the policy should be changed to account for author preferences is a different issue and fodder for the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: There are countless people online who have said their transition was the result of peer pressure or mental/emotional confusion or bad parents/doctors who encouraged them to transition for their own personal/monetary reasons and, tragically, many of them have already had body parts removed that they'll never be able to replace. Pretending otherwise is choosing not to accept reality. If Mandelo feels like their transition will be permanent and they're happy with that, fine. ISFDB is a gigantic site and highly disorganized; expecting it to run smoothly for one person is unreasonable. The delay in changing the name was due to a complete breakdown in communication, not because of transphobia. I reject terms like "bigoted" and "insensitive" to describe my remark; an apology will suffice. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To my shame, I didn't say anything publicly when this kicked off originally - instead choosing to walk away from any association with this site for several months - but quite frankly, I feel that this site would be better off without you. All the edits you do to fix bad data are great in themselves, but I don't think they are worth all the aggravation you cause. If I recall correctly, at least one moderator refuses to work on your edits, and numerous other moderators and editors have had run-ins with you over your edits and general attitude. You've promised on numerous occasions that you intend to leave this site, any chance you can fulfill those promises?<br />
:::::: It's one thing when that stuff is kept internal to this wiki, but when it explodes into the public domain, like it did last December, then all of us get tarred with the same brush, which is why I walked away then. I have numerous issues with what "the other side" did last December - e.g. Sanford's apparent lack of any sort of reaching out to get the ISFDB side of the story; the fact that (as IIRC Scifibones also found) 5 minutes of investigation disproved the claim that the deadname wasn't being still being used for publications (although it looks like some/most of them have finally been updated) - but it's hard to defend the ISFDB position when you had utterly poisoned the discourse. If you don't believe the comments you posted were utterly inflammatory, can I suggest you step out of your FoxNews/Daily Wire/Newsmax/whatever bubble, and understand that you can't talk to people that way?<br />
:::::: Maybe I'll get attacked or censured for this comment, but quite frankly, I'd rather that happen, than have been silent on this. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:03, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: [[User:Username|Username]] has been warned about being abrasive and about personal attacks, e.g. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Warning_re:_the_last_exchange_with_Willem_H._on_the_Community_Portal here]. However, the ideal outcome is not to drive abrasive editors away, it is to help them improve their ability to communicate with other editors to ensure that the project functions smoothly. If it doesn't work, then [[ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy]], which provides for escalating penalties for misconduct up to and including an indefinite block, comes into play. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Re-reading [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]], I have a few suggestions:<br />
* "14 December 2022" where it says "Mandelo posts a request to the Moderator Noticeboard". I suggest linking [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display the Moderator Noticeboard discussion].<br />
* Same day where it says "A 4-day bibliographic discussion follows with numerous open questions, with responses from Mandelo." I suggest adding that the current standard -- "For authors who publish under multiple names, the canonical name is the most recognized name for that author within the genre" -- was explained to Lee Mandelo who then provided evidence supporting the notion that, as of 2022-12, the "most recognized name" was indeed "Lee Mandelo". That's what triggered the canonical name change.<br />
* The "Recommendations" section of [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]] suggests the following change to the canonical name policy:<br />
** The Canonical Name of a living author should only be changed at the request of the author in question.<br />
* This would be a fairly major policy change which would affect a number of scenarios. For example, we have received canonical author change requests based on authors trying to promote new working names. To quote what I wrote during the 2022-12 discussion:<br />
** It's been occasionally proposed that we make exceptions to our canonical name policy for certain types of scenarios. For example, {{A|Debora Geary}} published ''A Modern Witch'', a series of popular urban fantasies, in 2011-2013. Then, after a painful divorce, she removed all of them from Amazon and restarted her career as Audrey Faye. A few years ago she published a non-fiction account of her recovery after divorce ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835287 Sleeping Solo: One Woman's Journey Into Life After Marriage]) in which she explained why she could no longer be associated with the name "Debora Geary". Another example would be a person converting to another religion and changing his or her name to reflect new beliefs. Changing one's gender would be another scenario which has been discussed a few times, including [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Canonical_names_for_transgender_authors an extensive Rules and Standards discussion in September 2018].<br />
** So far these discussions of possible exceptions have failed to lead to a new consensus, in part because of the number of possible scenarios and sub-scenarios. For example, consider {{A|Poppy Z. Brite}}, who has been using the name "Billy Martin" socially since the early 2010s, but whose books continue to be published as by "Poppy Z. Brite".<br />
* We will need to discuss the proposed change on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page.<br />
[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:23, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In my opinion, the best part about the current policy is that it is quantitative/qualitative and not subjective. We did not use "Brit Mandelo" because of someone's whim or someone's views on Mondelo's gender identity or even popular vote. Technically, the switch from Brit to Lee as canonical was made because the underlying measure of primary identification changed over time and "Lee Mandelo" supplanted "Brit Mandelo". I don't think we should have a blanket policy that authors or their agents can request changes. That's another form of whim, and the ISFDB's purpose is not advertising for authors or publishers. Perhaps one thing we could consider, though, is a policy allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change. E.g., if "ABC" came to us and said "I changed my name to 'XYZ', and all of my books are being pulled from the shelves and are being reissued using that name. Could 'XYZ' be configured as my canonical name?" ISFDB could then project the future and perhaps act early. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:19, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Re: "allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change", we ran into an issue in this area back in the late 2010s.<br />
::: In 2015 the author who had published the "Vladimir Tod/Slayer Chronicles" series as {{A|Heather Brewer}} [https://ew.com/article/2015/06/25/heather-brewer-zac-brewer-transgender/ changed the name] to "Zac Brewer". There were plans to republish Brewer's old books under the new name and at least one SF story was indeed published that way. Based on that, an ISFDB editor proposed that we change the canonical name to "Zac Brewer" with the expectation that it would soon become the "most recognized name ... within the genre". At the time we decided to wait and see what would happen in another year or two.<br />
::: As it turned out, the name "Zac Brewer" was used on 2 non-genre novels in 2016-2017, but all new speculative fiction (2 novels and 1 story) appeared as by "Z Brewer". I guess it goes to show that making assumptions about future releases is chancy in the publishing business. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I agree. Keeping the policy as objective as possible is a good thing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:43, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]], thanks for a very nice job on the timeline. I'm not sure anything posted on social media ever changed anyone's opinion, but it accurately documents the facts. Sections 3 and 4 are better served as the kickoff to the Rules and Standards discussion and should not be included in the public release. A subsequent post documenting our reasoning and any changes is a better course. Anyone interested can follow and/or participate in the R & S discussions (I anticipate multiple threads). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], If you are going to link this thread to the letter, I suggest starting the main thread and moving [[User:MartyD|MartyD's]] & [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe's]] posts there. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:54, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I agree that discussions of the current canonical name policy and any proposed changes belong on the Rules and Standards page. I am just waiting for Al to chime in and clarify whether he meant to propose a change. If he did, then we can move the policy part of the discussion there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:00, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: For Al's postmortem, I think it would be helpful to quote the first paragraph of the '''Canonical Name''' definition from [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] and to summarize the "enter-name-as-it-appears-in-the-publication" policy and provide links to [[Template:TitleFields:Author]] and [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] prior to getting into the timeline. That is the working context for the data present in the system and various events that occurred during the timeline. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:32, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: That's a good point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Review of" ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412925; While my editing which ended after Labor Day won't resume full-time until October I did, after a week without any edits, start doing a few handfuls of clean-up edits fixing this or that which lately have been almost entirely related to D. F. Lewis. I just came across an interesting situation which a mod should probably take care of because it's a 2-step process, changing ESSAY to REVIEW and then link review from the menu, which mods can approve instantly instead of me doing one step and then waiting for approval before doing the other step. Nemonymous 3 mentioned in the review in the zine linked above is on ISFDB, titled Gold Coin; the issue of New Genre is also here as is the issue of Gigamesh. The last non-linked review is of a Norwegian novel whose title translates as a ghost story so that book almost certainly is eligible and should be entered here and then the review linked to it. That one may require someone with a knowledge of the language. I tried to figure out how to search for all instances of "review of" in All Hallows issues but I couldn't do it. Maybe someone else knows how or, if not, an issue-by-issue check will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pohl - Gateway ==<br />
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Has anybody any suggestions how [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rudam#Pohl_-_Gateway this situation] might be resolved. No progress has been made as the PV is unresponsive. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image Deletion ==<br />
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Could a moderator please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THBKFSTRND2014.jpg this image]. The licensing tag information is incorrect. After the deletion, I will re-upload with correct tag. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:47, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. You could have edited the tag BTW :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't realise I could do it myself. Thanks for the image deletion and the heads up re editing the licence tag. I have now figured out how to do it for the future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:44, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shutdown ==<br />
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Library of Congress has an ominous red warning about what will happen if the U.S. government shuts down a few days from now. Will anything on this site be affected or will it make no difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:57, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The only effect will be not being able to look up LCCNs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LOTR Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3078415; Another editor added an archived link to the Canadian edition recently but nobody ever added a link to the USA edition which has been there since 2010 so I just added it. The title is in question because it's written in fancy font on title pages; PV Auric seemed to think Film Book should be 2 words but other editions are Filmbook. So which should it really be, and should Part I be removed from USA title since it's not actually part of the title in the book? PV doesn't respond very often so I thought I'd bring it up here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for Voyage of Mael Duin's Curragh ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49434; I just had my edit adding an archived link and fixing cover artist/adding interior artist but after looking at it I realized dates are off because Locus, https://www.locusmag.com/index/b1.htm, has one of those 2-date things and someone entered book as October but title and cover art are September, with my new interior art credit matching the book's October date. What's the rule? Which date should they all be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:What does it state on the copyright page? If it includes a month, that's what we should use. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:04, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::No, there's no month, if there was that would take precedence over Locus. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art credit removal ==<br />
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As we don't credit designers for coverart, would moderators agree to removing Michniewicz's titles from {{P|129031|here}} and {{P|174091|here}}? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:50, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2000/b5.htm#A119.2 Locus1] credits Michniewicz for the first one's cover. Since he is PV for both, you could try reaching out to Michael (use the ISFDB to send him mail) and see if he'll respond and offer an opinion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:34, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Unfortunately I can't use the email system (it won't work with my provider, even though Ahasuerus has tried to fix it for me) so the only possibility there is if some kind soul would email him for me.<br />
::As far as I can ascertain from all the pub notes, Michniewicz is credited as designer for a lot of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?168 the series] for the simple graphics. It is only for later issues where Gollancz have incorporated actual artwork that the artists get credit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:29, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Any other help please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:03, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I would leave a note on [[User talk:Mhhutchins]] re: the proposed changes. If there is no response after a week, we can remove the COVERART titles and document the designers in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've left a message on his talk page. Thank you for the advice! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:10, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Goss ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?239252; 2 different guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:39, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Goat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?882813; Can a mod take a look at those last 2 edits? I see at least a few problems with ID and web links; maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow Edits ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MOHearn#Return_of_the_Shadow; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5782555; I contacted MOHearn but we have some cross-editing going on so if I can ask one of you to approve my edits (assuming there's no problem with any of them) starting with the one linked above and going through 5782728 (there's 4 non-Shadow edits from 5782649 through 5782652; ignore those) so we can put these behind us. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== El Topo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5784269; HC copy uploaded recently, I'm going to add it (I added that paper edition a while ago) but wanted to get this edit approved first assuming mods agree it should be a chapbook since novelization is only 80-something pages with the rest being non-fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning up English translations of RUR ==<br />
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Hi all, I'm in the process of cleaning up the English translations of {{A|Karel Čapek|161}}'s {{T|2218756|RUR}}. This has led to a bunch of related edit submissions ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791148 5791148], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791149 5791149], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791151 5791151], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791157 5791157], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791159 5791159], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791160 5791160], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791188 5791188]), several of which will involve follow-up edits.<br />
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That said, I'm not quite sure how to approach cleaning up one of the existing {{T|1156033|chapbook}} / {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} pairs. There are 3 associated publications: {{P|328124}}, {{P|362654}}, {{P|529466}}.<br />
* '''{{P|328124}}''' is an English translation by David Short that I expect is distinct from the other two publications.<br />
* '''{{P|362654}}''' is an English translation by David Wyllie that is currently mapped to the wrong title(s) based on viewing the publication's title page via a reading sample from Amazon (see edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995]).<br />
* '''{{P|529466}}''' is a seemingly unknown English translation from Amazon's on-demand (self-)publisher. I haven't been able to find much trace of this particular edition online. I'm guessing this is likely a reprint of the out-of-copyright translation by Paul Selver possibly further adapted by Nigel Playfair.<br />
Do the following actions seem appropriate for this situation?<br />
# Unmerge {{P|328124}} and associate with new variant chapbook and shortfiction titles (distinct translation by David Short)<br />
# Unmerge {{P|362654}} and associate with different variant {{T|1114927|chapbook}} and {{T|1314651|shortfiction}} titles (distinct translation by David Wyllie)<br />
# Leave {{P|529466}} as is, but update associated {{T|1156033|chapbook}} and {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} titles to note that this is an unknown translation.<br />
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Thanks! --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 14:03, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep - when we know the translators of a specific book, unmerge the chapbook and the story, make them variants and add the translator to the notes of both titles. We had been slowly chipping at the early messes such as this one, created long before we started recording translators on the title level - so thanks for sorting it out. I also tend to add a "This title may contain multiple distinct translations" note or something to that effect to the one with unknown translators - when there is more than one book anyway. If two unknowns are known to be different, we also unmerge them and add as much as we know on their notes to identify what goes where... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:23, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Jules Verne has lots of examples of multiple translations in various languages. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:29, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks, that makes sense. I mainly wanted to check how to handle this particular instance because I expected the translator could be identified if someone checked this particular edition. Jules Verne is a good (although more complex) example that I'll keep in mind when I clean up future translation records. --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 17:45, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: We are playing catch-up on these -- for a long time, we did not separate or record per translator - so since we started, it had been a never ending game of finding all of them. And the ones translated into English are the most problematic due to the volume - in most other languages, we are mostly done with adding the Translator template which required the messes to be untangled. There are corners of the DB like that - where you will find surprises you would think cannot happen. Jules Verne looks as good as he does because Doug spent months fixing the records. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Old cover image delete ==<br />
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Could someone please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MCKNGBRDPV0000.jpg the old image], Date/Time: - 11:47, 23 February 2014 - to prevent reverting. The new image is identical but larger. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:26, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:20, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Annie! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Invaders by Adelia Saunders ==<br />
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This concerns the cover art shown for Publication Record # 777558, Invaders by Vaughn Heppner<br />
The cover art shows the author to be Adelia Saunders. She did not write a book called Invaders. She did write one called Indelible.<br />
I went over to Brilliance Audio. This is just a generic cover they use. Its the same cover for Invader by C.J. Cherryh, Artemis Invaded by Jane Lindskoid and a number of others including The Spirit of Dorsai, By Gordon R. Dickson [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 19:51, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?777558 Updated], thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derived prices in early Bantam Books ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25 Bantam Books] was founded in 1945 and concentrated on publishing mass market paperbacks. As far as I can tell, early on they didn't display prices on the cover or on the spine. However, some (all?) of them, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''''The Day He Died''], had ad pages in the back with one or more lists of books which you could buy by sending $0.25 plus $0.05 for postage to the publisher's address. I suppose it's likely that the list price was also $0.25, although it's not a guarantee.<br />
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Some online sources explicitly state that the list price was "$0.25", but I don't know where their data comes from. Some of our records also display "$0.25" in the price field, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''], which has the following note:<br />
* No price stated, but ad pages for current releases list $0.25 price.<br />
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Clearly, this situation requires an explanation in the Note field, but what would you enter in the price field? $0.25? Leave it blank? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:11, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems ok to me to use $0.25 and treat the ad as a secondary source. If we had a book with no printed price on it, found a review (or announcement) contemporaneous with its issuance, and that review stated a price, I think we would normally be happy to use that and cite the review as the source. The ad situation strikes me as equivalent. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:03, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree. As long as there is a note explaining the sourcing of the price, this is not different from finding a price on a publisher site, a contemporary review or any other secondary source. If we ever find a better information that contradicts the price as derived via such a method for that specific book, the note can be adjusted and the price changed if needed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:44, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to Ahasuerus for following up my discussion with him and getting this cleared up. Here's a list, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=contains&TERM_2=Latham&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=Bantam&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], of all Bantam books PV by Scott Latham; he entered prices for all of them and there's a note in the third book that he got the price from Tuck. EDIT: In the 4th book there's a note, "Price from ads in the back, listing other Bantam titles all for 25¢", so it seemed random whether there's no price note or where he got it from if he did leave a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:56, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think this is fine. A note should be included stating where the price was from, but I have no problem sourcing prices that way. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Thanks, folks. I have updated the publication record, deleted a duplicate pub and notified the affected verifier. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Can we have some clarification please because I am confused by this discussion.<br />
:Ahasuerus' initial post implied to me that we are looking at a situation where an unpriced book contains a house ad listing other books for sale from the publisher. All these books are listed with an identical price but the list does NOT contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario A.<br />
:However, MartyD and Annie's replies imply to me that they seem to think the list DOES contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario B.<br />
:We need to consider these two scenarios separately.<br />
:Scenario A: I do not consider it appropriate to infer the price of a book from other contemporary books. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11582 Ace 1st pb ed of Dune], published in 1967, is priced 95c. It's a fat book for its era. However, Ace pb's in that year were typically priced around 50c. So if, hypothetically, Ace books published in 1967 did not have a cover price then it would be erroneous to infer that Dune was 50c based on a house ad listing other contemporary books at 50c.<br />
:Scenario B: This is not contentious. Record the price in the Price field and add a mandatory pub note stating the source, ie the house ad. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:52, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry, I may not have been clear. The ads in the back of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''The Day He Died''] do include ''The Day He Died'' (with the correct catalog ID) in the list of books that you can get for $0.25, so it's "Scenario B" above.<br />
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:: Now that I am thinking about, there may be an additional twist. According to Jon Warren's "Official Price Guide: Paperbacks", some early Bantam paperbacks had 2 versions which shared the ''same'' catalog ID: a regular version and a version in a dust jacket. I don't recall seeing dust-jacketed versions, which are apparently highly prized among collectors. I don't know how they were priced and whether you could get them from the publisher for $0.25. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ah, all is good then. Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:53, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name out of date? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79169 G. Arthur Rahman] has about 15 titles under that canonical name, from the 70s and 80s, but he has over 30 under the name Glenn Rahman (and a few under other forms of the name). [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976477 Here] is my entry of some new 2023 stories in addition to those on that author page. I'm holding off on making them variants to ask: Could his canonical name be changed from G. Arthur Rahman to Glenn Rahman to reflect the majority of bylines? -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:29, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Working on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:31, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I'd think so - provided someone sets out to do the transformation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:32, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done! You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15307 here]. Let me know if I missed anything as this one was more complicated due to the number of pseudonyms. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks, Nihonjoe! I'll put the new stories into their series and look over the older ones. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 13:38, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Juliana Pinha --> Juliana Pinho ==<br />
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Hello, would it be possible to correct 'Pinha' to 'Pinho' in this entry for INTERZONE #295? Thank you.<br />
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190 • Notes From the Meeting of the First State Feder World Court: Walker Dairy, Freeville, NY, 198 Year One: Jessica Jane Pearson Vs. The Stranger Mr. Jacob Hampton • interior artwork by Juliana Pinha<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?977484<br />
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--[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 14:29, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: This depends on the way the artist is credited in the issue: we do document the spelling of a name, even if it is mistyped in a given magazine issue (and then do variant it to the canonical name, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3146115 this example]). <br />
: Anyway, since "Interzone" #295 is primary verified, it is etiquette to ask / inform the primary verifier. You can reach him [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk here]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:05, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the info. It is 'Pinho' in the magazine (on the story cover page, and in the contents page). I'll move this to the primary verifier page, thanks.<br />
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== Star Bridge by James E. Gunn, Jack Williamson ==<br />
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Publication Record # 31949 states the artist is Ed Valigursky and that there was not any credit in the book. That the credit came from Jack Williamson's Seventy-Five: The Diamond Anniversary of a Science Fiction Pioneer. Heritage Auctions (fineart.ha.com/itm/paintings/gordon-pawelka-american-20th-century-star-bridge-paperback-cover-1963-oil-on-board-20-1-2-x-1/a/8000-71029.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515) has the artist as Gordon Pawelka. Was this a name used by Valigursky or do we have a conflict?? Hey Heritage could be wrong. It sold in 2020 for $3000 {{unsigned|Aardvark7}}<br />
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== RUSSWOTHE ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:RUSSWOTHE; I made a minor edit for a book PV by this person and noticed there's a stray message in the wrong place. Is it possible to move it to their discussion page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:21, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Followup: Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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Hello. I did not receive a response to my [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Crowley_and_Aziraphale.27s_New_Year.27s_resolutions September 2023 question] about how to catalog a weirdly-published Good Omens short story. So I am repeating the question here, please. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 14:25, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not eligible unless it was downloadable as an ebook - we allow only a limited set of online fiction and "a publisher site" is not amongst them. If it was downloadable as an ebook, it will be added as a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wrong tag for L. Sprague de Camp's ''The Hardwood Pile'' ==<br />
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Hello to all. The tag "science fiction" has been wrongly attributed to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57951 this story], which is only a fantastic and humorous ghost story. Could a bureaucrat please remove it ? TIA, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:31, 12 November 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Remove non-SF/fantasy/speculative fiction incorrectly attributed to an SF author ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I recently read and loved the story "In the Days After..." in Asimov's Science Fiction, November-December 2023 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3238197). I was curious about this author who was new to me, with a story I really liked, so I checked ISFDB.<br />
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Most of his work is noted as 1981 and beyond, with a long gap (~28 years) from 1995 to 2023. The Asimov's blurb does note that Frank Ward (William Francis Ward) did take a long time off from writing for "life". https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11458<br />
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There is a 1958 story listed under Frank Ward, "The Dark Corner". I was suspicious of this, as Frank Ward is listed with a 1950 birthdate.<br />
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I checked around. Galactic Central does show a substantial mystery body of work by a different Frank Ward, from the 1930s to the 1960s. http://www.philsp.com/homeville/cfi/n00786.htm#A5<br />
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I confirmed with the current Frank Ward via email that he did not write the mystery story "The Dark Corner", which does show up under the other Frank Ward at Galactic Central.<br />
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Given that "The Dark Corner" here is not by this Frank Ward (William Francis Ward), and that the other Frank Ward who wrote "The Dark Corner" appears to have written mysteries but not SF, fantasy or speculative fiction, I am assuming that I need to delete "The Dark Corner" story from ISFDB. I further assume this is done by the "Delete this title" button.<br />
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Please confirm, or let me know what is needed.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:There's an issue with one of Ward's titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?914168, the Fantasy Book Index, https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+pegasus+suit%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221983%22, says "Pegasus", there's a contents page scan on AbeBooks, https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Fantasy-Book-February-1982-Third-Issue/30051987897/bd, which probably says the same although it's blurry, only way to be sure is looking at the story's title page which would require a copy of the zine, you may want to ask him if he owns it so he can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I'm not quite clear what the issue is. When I looked at any of the 3 copies of the "An Index to Fantasy Book, Volume 1", at Internet Archive, they all note "The Pegasus Suit". Thanks for the clarification.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:57, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for checking with the author! I have disambiguated the author name -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370798 the result here] -- and updated the title record.<br />
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::: As to whether we want to remove [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2550138 "The Dark Corner"] from the database, it depends on a couple of different factors. The story appeared in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569570 anthology ''Bodies and Souls'']. Its dust jacket says "Fourteen Tales of Worldly and Other-Worldly Murder, Mayhem and Mystery", which suggests that it collects both SF and non-SF stories. We currently list one of the stories, "Too Many Coincidences", as "non-genre" while the rest are listed as SF. It's entirely possible that some of them are non-genre; we just don't know one way or the other. Once we know more about these stories, we can decide what to do with the anthology. Since it apparently contains at least some SF stories, we will want to keep the publication record, but if the overwhelming majority of the stories are non-genre, we may end up removing them and documenting them in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::My thanks for handling this. I appreciate and concur with the thinking, and I'll try to retain that for the future. Mr. Ward is pleased this has been revised.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: ISFDB says "Pegusus" which is obviously a misspelling of "Pegasus" but a look at the header on the story's title page is what's needed because it's entirely possible, as so often in zines, that titles differ from what's on the contents page. Searching for "Pegusus Suit" online finds only ISFDB and a couple of booksellers that obviously copied their info directly from ISFDB so it's likely just a simple mistake by whoever entered the contents here. You said you spoke to him via email so maybe you can ask him if he owns that issue of Fantasy Book to check and if it's wrong it will be fixed to "Pegasus". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I have reached out to Frank Ward on this question. I'll circle back when I know, and then correct the title if needed. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I have confirmed with Frank Ward by check of his copy of the 1982 Fantasy Book that "Pegasus" is the correct spelling. He thanks us for making the correction. I will submit that now. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Bodies and Souls is linked at Archive.org in the notes section of its record here so the story can be read to determine if it's genre or not as can the other contents; also, it's much longer than the others in the book and should probably be given novelette length. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::I checked at Galactic Central. They believe this story ("The Dark Corner") is a novella. I will make that change.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts II==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg&wpUploadDescription=%7B%7BCID1%0A%7CTitle%3DA%20Muster%20of%20Ghosts%0A%7CEdition%3DCecil%20Palmer%201924%20hc%0A%7CPub%3DMSTRFGHSTS1924%0A%7CPublisher%3DCecil%20Palmer%0A%7CArtist%3DUnknown%0A%7CSource%3DScanned%20by%20%5B%5BUser%3AUsername%5D%5D%7D%7D]; I was going to upload SFE image but it seemed familiar and it turned out I'd done it already but the image didn't go to the right place; also this old edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959, has been sitting there for months because without an image the signature couldn't be seen. So can someone get the image fixed and approve the cover artist edit? EDIT: After I entered this message it didn't go to the right place because I'd already written about it, with the same message title, long ago but nobody ever answered; it's up above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The image has been added to the pub & your edit approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:06, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MP3 CD price on Amazon note ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that Amazon is now typically showing the as new price for MP3 CDs whose publisher is "Audible Studios on Brilliance Audio" as $10.02. The list price for these CDs as reported on brilliancepublishing.com is almost always $9.99. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:23, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon ==<br />
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I've noticed that Amazon.com is used frequently to verify a publication date. I just wanted to point out that it's an unreliable source, because any time they don't know the exact date, they use the first of the month.<br />
For example, the publication date of this book: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?535016 is listed as 2008-11-01, but the data is from Amazon, so I don't know if that's the accurate date, or they just used the first of the month because they didn't know any better. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Clauditorium|Clauditorium]] ([[User talk:Clauditorium|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Clauditorium|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: The quality of Amazon's records varies a great deal. It's not always clear why the bad data is the way it is, but we can make educated guesses, at least in certain cases. For example, Amazon occasionally -- I would say around 5-10% of the time -- lists unrealistically low (14-32) page counts for English e-book editions of Japanese "light novels". It seems to be related to the fact that some light novels have short (4-20 pages) manga sections at the beginning of the book. We don't know why it affects Amazon's page counts, but it's something that editors have to keep in mind when entering light novel records using Amazon's data.<br />
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: Re: dates, it depends on how old the record is, where the book was originally published and the publisher. For older books, some records have no day/month information, some add arbitrary "-01" or "-01-01" to the end of the month or year, and some have surprisingly accurate dates even for books published in the 1960s/1970s. Our best guess is that "surprisingly accurate dates" come from publishers' catalogs that Amazon has/had access to.<br />
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: Amazon.com's records for books published in other countries frequently list the "US availability" date as the publication date. There can be a big gap between these two types of dates for books originally published in the UK and especially in Australia/New Zealand, which is why Amazon's dates for these types of books are often wrong.<br />
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: Also, a note on the terminology. We use Amazon stores -- Amazon.com, Amazon UK, Amazon DE, etc -- as ''sources'' of our data, but we don's use it for ''verification''. We have a number of recognized "secondary verification" sources which you can see if you display a publication record and click on "Verify This Pub" link under "Editing Tools", then scroll down to "Secondary Verifications". Like everything else in this world, these verification sources are not perfect, but their data is, on average, better than Amazon's.<br />
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: Ultimately, the ISFDB data is only as good as our sources. Even primary verified data can be imperfect due to data entry errors and misunderstandings. That's why it's so important to document exactly where our data comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== US Copyright Office website ==<br />
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Do you guys ever use the US Copyright Office website? I would think that would be the most reliable source. It often has publication dates down to the day, whereas other sources only have them down to the month.<br />
https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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: We use a variety of secondary sources to determine publication dates as discussed in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources this Help section]. The Copyright Catalog can be (and have been) used as a secondary source of information as long as we keep in mind that their "Date of Publication" values and "Registration date" values are often different, so we need to make sure to use their "Date of Publication" values.<br />
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: Another thing to keep in mind is what [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] calls "Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality":<br />
:* Publication date does not always perfectly match the calendar date. For example, a January issue of a magazine is usually available in December of the previous year, and often earlier than that. Books with a January publication date may often be bought in the closing weeks of the prior year; they will show the later year's copyright date, even though that year has not yet started. In these cases, the convention is to use the official publication date rather than to try to identify when a book actually first became available. If there is a large discrepancy -- for example if a book was printed but unexpectedly delayed before release -- then this can be noted in the notes field.<br />
: [https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=26&ti=1,26&SEQ=20231120164838&Search%5FArg=crichton%20michael&Search%5FCode=NALL&CNT=25&PID=hderjMf9JaGhuG3tox2UMY1nLcK_&SID=1 This Copyright Catalog record for the first edition of ''Disclosure'', a non-genre novel] by {{A|Michael Crichton}}, is a good example. The "Date of Publication" value is "1993-12-20", but the publication date stated in the physical book is "January 1994". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:02, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: When it comes to magazines, I'm aware of the disconnect between publication date listed on the copyright site and the date printed on the magazine cover. {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Back when mass market paperbacks took off in the United States, their publishers piggybacked on pre-existing distribution channels and inherited some of the peculiarities of the magazine distribution system. They also had to deal with numerous technical limitations of the printing business as it existed ca. 1950. For example, you could order a paperback with 96 pages or a paperback with 128 pages, but anything in between wasn't viable because of the way mass market paperbacks paperbacks were produced. Sometimes authors and/or editors were able to cut or pad stories to make everything work seamlessly. Other times typesetters had to add empty pages or use other tricks to pad the page count.<br />
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::: We see similar issues surface even in 2023. Amazon's page count values are often off because publishers create pre-publication records based on estimates. When books are produced, the actual page count is usually different. Not all Amazon records are updated post-publication, so we always take what's there with a grain of salt. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:10, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As for novels, I've noticed that in several cases, the date listed by isfdb.org is missing the day, but the copyright site will have this info. For example, Misery by Stephen King is listed here as being published on 1987-06-00; on the copyright site, the publication date is indicated as 1987-06-08 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1513). If I come across such occurrences, should I make a correction, crediting the copyright site? {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Sorry, I didn't quote the most applicable part of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Date]] earlier. Here is the relevant section:<br />
:::* The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See Secondary Sources of Dates.<br />
::: So the answer is yes, editors can make the date more precise as long as it is "otherwise consistent with publication's stated date" and the source is documented in Notes. If there is a discrepancy -- as in the case of {{A|Michael Crichton}}'s ''Disclosure'' (see above) which was offered for sale in late December 1993 but the printed publication date says "January 1994" -- then we use the printed date and optionally document what secondary sources like the Copyright Office or Amazon say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:24, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Captured By the Engines ==<br />
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Can someone approve my submission 5819033? Because I need to add month to merged art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications" on the New Submissions page ==<br />
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A new table, "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications", has been added to the New Submissions page. It will appear at the top of the page if any pending submissions affect the logged-in moderator's primary verifications. If you run into any issues, please report them here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:27, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Can Ellen Be Saved ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291669; I just uploaded new cover but it didn't go to the same Wiki page and replace old cover, it just created a new page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I added the new one to the pub and deleted the old one after verifying it was not used in any other pubs. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One New Message ==<br />
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"The following Contents titles have dates after the proposed publication date"; I got this message after submitting an edit for Tor ed. of G. Masterton's Mirror because month was April, not May, and cover art needed fixing in another edit. Is this new? I don't remember seeing that before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This warning was [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#New_yellow_warning_when_a_changed_Publication_date_is_before_one_of_the_Title_dates implemented on July 31] as per {{FR|1569}}, "Add a warning when a changed pub date is before one of the title dates". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:08, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Server issue? ==<br />
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Is there a server problem? I'm getting a 500 Internal Server Error message when trying to submit a Clone Publication. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:26, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Nevermind. I opened a new Clone the Pub tab and was able to submit the request successfully. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Log In ==<br />
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Why am I not logged in? Is there some new problem now? I see Username when I'm on the Wiki pages but the front page says "You are not logged in". EDIT: I got tired of waiting so I entered "Username" and "password" and that worked but a message popped up saying password was used in a data breach on Google or something like that. I don't know what's going on. Maybe someone can tell me if anyone else got that message or got logged out for no reason. I sincerely hope all of my info and edits and everything else that was there before I re-logged in is still exactly the same and nothing was changed/lost. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Old Edits ==<br />
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I'm trying to get my edits that have been sitting for months approved. I'll start with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747517, which is just a simple change from a dead Google Drive link to one that works. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747546; Just a simple cover image, Rudam said long ago in the thread "Rejected?" on his board that there's no need to ask about covers except for a couple of specific publishers. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749772; Just an archived link and an obvious format fix. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Changing the format is a major change and should not be approved unless the active verifiers have agreed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750346; Just an archived link and an obvious fix of LCCN in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::The active verifier has asked that he be contacted through the email system about changes. No indication in the edit that this was done, or what the response was. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750954; Just a simple LCCN ID and cleanup of several misspellings in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Moderator note only states "cleaned up sloppy note" without specifying what was changed. Best to notify the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757566; Just a simple note about the cover; it's on this page, https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/3786/fred-pickersgill-graves-give. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::This one is more of a judgement call. Personally I think it's too much information that is not germane to the publication. What does the soundtrack artist have to do with the book? I could have lived with something along the lines of "Cover is from the filmed version of 'The Female of the Species'". However, other moderators may differ. At a minimum, if we're going to go into this much detail, it should probably go below a <nowiki>{{BREAK}}</nowiki> tag. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved by JLaTondre. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Science ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5824080; I did add the archived link and the cover image but I didn't touch those reg. title art and story things so does anyone know why it says I did? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: It is a kinda known issue with the software when titles contains special characters, especially older titles added before some of the latest changes in handling these from the last years (in this case it is the <nowiki><</nowiki> that is throwing the fit. Because of that, the comparison for changes detects a change - even if there is none). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:56, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title change with no PVs ==<br />
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I was getting ready to add the audiobook and CD editions to Steven Erikson's novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424072 Rejoice] but noticed that the correct title name should be <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i> instead of just <i>Rejoice</i>. I looked at WorldCat, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, SFE, and Wikipedia, and in all cases except SFE, that is shown as the correct title. Would there be any objection to me changing the title to <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i>? None of the publications have a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:17, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The publisher also refers to it as 'Rejoice, A Knife to the Heart', [https://www.promontorypress.com/books/rejoice-a-knife-to-the-heart/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SF Adventures Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827099; I can never remember which changes to names affect what, so if someone can approve this assuming artist change won't mess anything up with info on his page or whatever. Also, both PV are long-gone so someone may want to check and see if there are any little details that I missed which need correcting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looks good, submission approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:01, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Liam Hogan versus Laim Hogan ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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In working to add the story "Ana" by Liam Hogan in "The Best of British Science Fiction 2016", I need to add it's first publication in Scientific American, as noted in the "Best of British Science Fiction" copyright page and else on the internet at Scientific American.<br />
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I checked the author's name. There is no "Liam Hogan" currently in ISFDB, but there is a "Laim Hogan", the author of the 2019 short fiction "XX". "XX" is listed as published in "Best Indie Speculative Fiction: Volume Two, November 2019". Upon looking at that "Best Indie..." on Amazon, the preview shows "Liam Hogan" on both the cover and table of contents.<br />
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Upon checking further, the website https://happyendingnotguaranteed.blogspot.com/p/2014.html for Liam Hogan notes both "XX" and "Ana" as his stories.<br />
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Therefore, I would appreciate it if a moderator could correct this author's name in ISFDB to "Liam" Hogan. Once that is done, I'll add "Ana" in the Scientific American webzine.<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:46, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: We do have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?180891 Liam Hogan] so I cannot rename [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?336607 Laim Hogan]. Same guy I think? If so, the fastest solution is to just fix the author on the stray story. If not, I will be happy to differentiate them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:52, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for fixing the author entry. Looks correct now. I'll go ahead and add the first publication for "Ana" now. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dave888|contribs]]) .</small> 14:03, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A SHORTFICTION title incorporated into the body of a NONFICTION title ==<br />
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I am holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823707 this submission], which would import {{A|Howard Koch}}'s SHORTFICTION title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982024 The Invasion from Mars: A Radio Adaptation] into the 2009 NONFICTION book [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765971 Waging The War of the Worlds: A History of the 1938 Radio Broadcast and Resulting Panic, Including the Original Script]. As the title of the NONFICTION book states, the text includes Koch's script, so normally it would make sense to approve the submission. However, the Notes field explains that:<br />
* Howard Koch's radio script is incorporated into the body of the book's main text, rather than being a separate essay.<br />
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Would you say that it makes sense to list the SHORTFICTION title as a Contents items in this pub? Or is it better presented as a part of the NONFICTION title? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:44, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My five cents: I'd say it makes sense if the piece is incorporated as a whole and without interruptions (of explaining notes). In the latter case the piece may only serve as a means to comment on Koch's unique handling (or something similar). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:25, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::If it's contained in its entirety and its content appears in proper order (whether or not contiguously), I am inclined to allow it. Technically, the work is published in the book. If it's not contiguous, the situation strikes me as similar to publications of "braided" stories. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:49, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks, folks. I have approved the submission, notified the inactive primary verifier and updated Notes to clarify the situation. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Entries disappeared ==<br />
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At least four of my entries from the last few weeks have disappeared from the database. I looked for the new publication series page, Gruselkabinett, as I was going to add more, and it and the four books I entered in it are gone. They're audio books: <i>Der Bluthund</i> by H.P. Lovecraft, <i>Die Weiden</i> and <i>Das unbewohnte Haus</i> by Algernon Blackwood, and <i>Die Toten sind unersättlich</i> by Leopold Sacher-Masoch. Even a new author entry they generated has vanished, the artist on two of the titles, Johannes Belach. I have no idea if more of my entries have disappeared. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 12:24, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking submission history (a moderator-only menu option), I see the following:<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981382 Publication ID 981382, ''Der Bluthund''], created on 2023-12-02 16:30:43. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:08:08. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981093 Publication ID 981093, ''Die Weiden''], created on 2023-11-30 18:58:05. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:37. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981433 Publication ID 981433, ''Das unbewohnte Haus''], created on 2023-12-02 20:36:31. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:13. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* I can't find an audio book version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3248968 Die Toten sind unersättlich] using moderator tools. I could presumably do it using programmer tools, but it would take time.<br />
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: I assume that Stonecreek deleted the 3 pubs listed above as per [[ISFDB:Policy]], which says:<br />
:* '''Included''': audio books, i.e. readings, but not dramatizations<br />
: I'll ask Stonecreek to join this discussion. We'll need to make sure that we are all on the same page or else we'll be stuck in an endless cycle of some editors adding certain books and other editors deleting them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:01, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, I deleted them on the basis of the rule that dramatizations are not to be included. I stumbled over the entry for "Die Weiden" upon reading a review at 'phantastiknews.de' of the play, and found that the other entries for publications fell into the same category. (A good rule of thumbs for a first check is if there are more than one speakers for a piece, it is most likely that it is a dramatization). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. In the future, when you come across publication records for ineligible works (like dramatizations), please use Edit History to identify the original submitter(s) and discuss the issue with them first. That way they will be made aware of what is and is not eligible for inclusion and won't make the same type of mistake in the future. Without an explanation, they'll be either confused and frustrated when the data that they previously submitted disappears or they will continue adding ineligible records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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I should leave it at that, since Ahasuerus was a lot more measured than I could be right now over the situation. -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In the past, we didn't have Edit History, so it was hard to tell who did what when. Now that it's been available for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development/Archive/2021 almost three years], it should be the default tool used to figure out why something appears to be off and whether a discussion is warranted.<br />
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: That said, old habits die hard. I still occasionally catch myself making a change, then realizing that I should have checked Edit History first. Hopefully, things will improve going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: My name was right there in the WorldCat verification on all four of those entries. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 21:34, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: My apologies: I stiil have to adapt to making a direct notification: as with this case I came upon this while doing research for another author at the news site, and carried on with this other task after that to get it done in that specific setting. <br />
::: And I didn't recall that the note left in the moderator's field wouldn't be easy to find. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::: (I'd love to add some really good audio plays to the database, but they ''are'' excluded, just like the ones you had added). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series Parent Position and Series Num fields ==<br />
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"Series Num" can have numbering that are not integers (e.g., 2.1, 2.2, etc.), but apparently the "Series Parent Position" field when editing series can only be integers. Can we change the field to allow non-integer numbering? This would allow subseries to be placed in the correct location with a larger series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:40, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This functionality was requested in {{FR|1403}}, "Allow decimal numbers as Series Parent Position values". Unfortunately, it is much harder to implement than it looks. The way the "Series Number" field works for title records is rather involved; back when I implemented it, it took me weeks to get everything updated and debugged. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds good. I'm glad it's on the list. Thanks for all your work on the backend of things. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic information for Strange Tales ==<br />
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For the UK magazine Strange Tales edited by Walter Gillings I believe that the noted second printing of the first issue is just a variant cover. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?618191<br />
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In George Locke's Spectrum of Fantasy, volume 1, page 3 he states as such. His examination of the two copies he had was that they were identical with the exception of two different covers. I would find it hard to believe that an attempt of a new publication which was dodging the fact it was a magazine would go into two printings, as there were still paper shortages after the War. The price on both covers is the same, one shilling net on one cover 1/- on the other. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jwkbooks|Jwkbooks]] ([[User talk:Jwkbooks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jwkbooks|contribs]]) .</small> 17:12, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Long time for approval? ==<br />
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Is it unusual if my relatively minor edits take two weeks or more to be approved? Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 22:38, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Typically, it wouldn't take that long, but unfortunately, the "New Submissions" queue has been very long recently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:51, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 00:17, 28 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Missing Clone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5832571; What happened to the clone? It's not there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The submission failed because one of the titles in the cloned publication, 2439970 (Intelligence and Luck), is no longer present. It appears that the title was merged in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816680 this edit] which was submitted on November 21st and approved on December 12. I'm guessing that your clone submission was submitted within that time frame. When the merge was done, the other title record was the one that was kept, and 2439970 was deleted. You should be able to re-clone the container title and pick up the current contents including the merged title of that story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:11, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art weirdness ==<br />
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So browsing (as you do). I came across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1379001 this] cover art entry which seems, to my eye at least, an identical piece to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139158 this one]. Any comments ?--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:40, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:To my eye, these look identical. We would have to research the Maria Carella credit for the French ones. Likely Herve put on one and then carried that over into the other by cloning. The Tim Jacobus credit on the ''Doomsday Book'' covers seems clear (from copyright statement on hardcover's jacket flap). My first guess would be a misinterpretation of some sort of general artist credit on ''Le grand livre'' as referring to the cover instead of to interior artwork. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:42, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) These are definitely based on the same cover art. The question then is whether the cover artist was really credited as "Maria Carella" in this J'ai Lu edition or whether it's a data entry error in our database. Checking Google, I see that J'ai Lu has used at least two other covers -- https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjbJRjGrF4EtBXromnm4E-mn-bwNjmriUiD9y_zEqCWxOsPAdQkITLtQ-6VzOAKbgq3b4&usqp=CAU and m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61mHPaZVmdL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg -- and it's possible that one of them was done by Maria Carella. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:49, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I did more research and found some pictures. In the original Bantam edition, the copyright page has "Book design by Maria Carella" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_37245aad-355d-4ecf-981b-2939ddd31921_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]) and the rear flap says "Cover illustration &copy; 1992 by Tim Jacobus" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_7be69af1-7c70-4430-86da-f306440e8119_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]). So I think the book design credit got conflated with cover artistry, either by J'ai Lu or someone else (if Herve did not have the books, his source might have been NooSFere, which credits the cover to Carella). Unless anyone disagrees, I will change the credit on the French ones and document the discrepancy with French secondary sources and probable source of the confusion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Nice! I also wonder if {{A|Maria Carella}} was the cover artist or the cover designer for the first (1988) edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354512 Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology]. Our source is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t203.htm#A12107 the Locus Index], which simply says "cover by Maria Carella". <del>For what it's worth, the Internet Archive has the [https://archive.org/details/visionsofwonders0000unse/page/n5/mode/2up 1996 edition, which has a different cover, on file] and its copyright page says "Design by Lynn Newark"</del> -- '''never mind, it turns out that "Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1988) and "Visions of Wonder: the Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1996) are completely different'''. Even if we keep Maria Carella as the cover artist, we will want to change her working language from French to English. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:41, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=maria+carella; She's mentioned in 16 notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I made these adjustments: Maria Carella language to English. ''Le grand livre'' cover credit to Jacobus (+ variant to ''Doomsday Book'' cover). Added note to French cover and to the first of the French pubs about secondary sources crediting Carella but her being credited as book designer (and Jacobus as cover illustrator) in original Bantam edition. Added note to Bantam hc about the book design credit. I found some pictures of portions of the interior of that anthology, but they did not include the copyright or credits pages, so I couldn't conclude anything about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:28, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Data entered exactly as on books [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/74/Grand_livre.jpg 1994 on top, 1995 below, "illustration" having the same meaning in both langages, "de" meaning "by"].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] ([[User talk:Hauck|talk]]) 05:26, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Well, that is quite clear, too, then. Then I guess we should have a "Maria Carella (in error)" as an alternate name then, with the above explanation, and the cover art with that credit as the variant. And no direct credit to Jacobus in the J'ai Lu editions. Does that sound correct to everyone? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:28, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::Sounds good to me. I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10617 Bantam 1st ed hc] and have checked it against the above discussion and concur. The book also states "Jacket design by Jamie S. Warren Youll" on rear flap which reinforces the statement that Maria Carella was only involved in the book design, not the cover. I have PVd the pub record and submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847617 this edit] to add extra info and change the source of all the data to the actual book. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:34, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::::Happy New Year, everyone. I have made the further adjustments I proposed above, and I accepted the changes to the Bantam edition. Please correct -- or let me know about -- anything that still is not as it should be. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:08, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New translations of Ursula K. Le Guin's Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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A few days ago I posted 2 records for a 1981 and a 2002 edition of ''Pimeduse ahem käsi''. the Estonian translation of ''The Left Hand of Darkness'', and 2 images for their respective book covers. I realize it's the holiday season and that there's a backlog... I have a Bulgarian translation as well and I'd like to upload that, though I worry that I'm not doing it right. Also if there are any editors or moderators here with a particular interest in Le Guin I'd like to make your acquaintance. Cheers, [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 14:45, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Hello and a happy new year, Evertype! I do think that I do fall into the category, as Le Guin is in the top three of my favourite authors. I have to admit that most of the copies I own contain German translations (and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar Jens]' German collection seems to be even more complete, but nowadays he isn't so often around). I know there are lots of translations of her work missing (with Dutch, French & German seemingly well-covered). If you have any questions that you think I might be able to help in, just ping me on my talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:16, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== External ID: PPN ==<br />
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It seems that the Dutch National Library has changed its www address. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs Here] it is "picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/" but doesn't work any more. The new one seems to be "picarta.oclc.org/psi/xslt/DB=3.9". Please have a look on that. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 13:35, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: The "PPN" template has been updated as well. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:48, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Charles Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873365; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873368; Can I get these 2 edits approved? I was going to add the other book by the author mentioned in the F&SF essay but online photo says Charles Williams on title page; checking further revealed that it's the same for Rolling Pin. There's already a famous novelist of that name and an artist on ISFDB so what do you think this guy should be known as, maybe (I)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pages of deceased users ==<br />
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Would it be helpful or useful to block the user pages and talk pages of deceased users, so no edits or submissions can be made any more? Ahasuerus told me these pages viewed as something like memorials, so they should be left untouched. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:40, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Generally, we put the [[:Template:Deceased user|Deceased user]] template at the top of their pages so people know not to post comments or questions there. So far, I haven't seen a huge problem with simply leaving them as they are. If problems do occur, we can always lock the pages so only admins can edit them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:49, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Locking the Talk pages will cause confusion to newer editors who are directed to post on the PV's pages and if the first few they hit are ones of the ones we had lost - asking them to post there while they cannot will either make them never post anywhere or just get frustrated. Plus the pages that we want to preserve are the User pages, not the Talk pages. I'd argue that User pages should be locked for Admin and the user they belong to at all times but that will make life harder and we do not have too many issues so I never raised that up as a proposal. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I was only suggesting locking the pages if we ran into problems where someone was editing them maliciously and we needed a way to stop it. Pages can be locked from editing for a brief period of time, too, which is generally the only kind of locking that's needed. Only in extreme cases would a page need to be locked for more than a week or so. I do like the idea of locking the user page of deceased editors, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: We are in agreement -- I was just mentioning that locking the Talk pages is going to cause other possible issues downstream (unlike User pages which can be safely locked without side effects). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:07, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Add link at the bottom of "Author Merge Update" ==<br />
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After two or more authors are merged, can we please add a link to the resulting record on the confirmation page (post approval). Now you need to either keep a record open or look for it again once the merge completes. (the script in question is cgi-bin/mod/aa_merge.cgi). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:29, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: {{FR|1591}} has been created and implemented. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Now, that's quick fix - less than an hour between reporting and getting it live on the server ;) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Safari ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?648417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884004; PV used wrong cover so I uploaded right one from recent archived copy but they also added wrong uploaded wraparound image in the notes. Can someone approve my edit and then move the note over to the other edition? The record number doesn't make a difference to where the image points, I assume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: The note has been moved to the correct publication. Is the interior art the same for both publications? If so, merge the two tile records. If not, we need a note on each and a do not merge warning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:33, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shattered Lens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892580; After checking further it turns out the correct title I fixed "Tears" to was used for the story's reprint in a magazine a few years later. After approval will the titles merge on their own or will it need to be done manually? If manual, can someone approve this so I can merge before I forget? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Approved. You need to merge them. Submit and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:13, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::All done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:19, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX; It won't make much difference to my PV because I only have about 50 but I can foresee trouble with others if he starts adding Roman where they don't belong. This is a common problem with other editors, too, where they add Roman even though the numbering goes straight from Roman to non-Roman. A LOT of DAW Books, for example, have unnecessary numbers entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:From the help, bullet point 2 under [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Pages]:<br />
:* "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers for introductory material, followed by Arabic numerals for the main text of the book, enter both sets of numbers. For example, a book with a page count field of "viii+320" has "viii" as the highest numbered page with a Roman numeral. (Note that there are no spaces in the page count.) Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored. Note that you should include the enumeration of the pages in Roman numerals even if there is no material that requires a separate content record (such as an introduction or preface) in those pages. This is in contrast with the situation with unnumbered pages prior to page 1; see the following bullet point for what to do in that case."<br />
:[https://www.ebay.com/itm/296164887458 This ebay.com listing] shows Roman numerals as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897763 this submission] suggests. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::If I understand that correctly then I disagree and you can find many instances on the boards here where mods tell editors to enter Roman only if the book doesn't continue the numbering straight into the Arabic. That's the way I enter Roman (except possibly for my early edits where I wasn't sure what I was doing) and so do many others. This has led to a lot of confusion. For example, this record's notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629077, mention this situation and only Arabic were entered while the notes here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979406, are similar but both Roman and Arabic were entered. I'm sure there are countless other examples. So nobody seems sure what the right way to do it is but if one has really been decided on then that would entail fixing thousands and thousands of records where they were entered the other way. That would be a huge task. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::For my own understanding's sake: The situation being discussed here is a contiguous set of pages, ending on Arabic-numeral'ed '''''366''''', but where the first fourteen pages are Roman-numeral'ed '''''i - xiv''''' and the remaining three hundred fifty-two are Arabic-numeral'ed '''''15 - 366'''''? If that is the case, I don't think the help covers this scenario. While the second bullet does seem to call for entering the highest Roman numeral plus the highest Arabic numeral, the third bullet also talks about counting backwards from the first "numbered page to see which is page 1". That would technically mean page i is also page 1, and there is no introductory material before page 1. The second bullet seems to assume the numbering of the pages for introductory material does not overlap the numbering of the pages for the main text, which is not the case here. Recording xiv+366 would record the numbering accurately but would completely distort the page count, which is that the Pages field is all about. I would record this as Pages = 366 with a note that the main text starts on p. 15 and the pages prior to that are numbered i - xiv, just as I would record it with Pages = 366 and a note that the text starts on numbered p. 15 if there were no numbered pages before it with any relevant content. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:32, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::Ah. Pages. My favourite subject. :-)<br />
::::I agree that the Help Notes do not cover this scenario adequately. I doubt the scenario was considered when the Notes were written. Consequently, past editors have just done what they think best at the time. As Username correctly states, no matter what we decide here, there is a legacy problem of all the existing inconsistent records which will be almost impossible to reconcile. I also agree that an explanatory pub note in this situation should be mandatory.<br />
::::However, that is where my "agreements" end. In this example, Pages should be recorded as xiv+366. Under the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Help for Pages], the bullet point starting "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers" unambiguously states that both Roman and Arabic Numerals should be entered. The following bullet point, starting "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1" is not applicable to this scenario because there are no unnumbered pages before page 1.<br />
::::Although xiv+366 does distort the page count, this argument does not hold water because it is existing ISFDb policy that we do distort the page count. See this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book#Some_examples_about_page_count_accuracy How To] under the bullet point starting "Approximation:"<br />
::::Another feature I like about using xiv+366 occurs in the situation where there is recordable content in the Roman Numeral pages. Suppose there is a map on page vi. Then vi would be entered as the start page of the map in the Contents section. It would look really illogical and inconsistent if the Pages field for the publication merely contained 366. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:08, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pandemic ==<br />
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Since the CDC officially ended its Covid-19 declaration in May of 2023 the note on our front page about forthcoming books possibly being delayed by the pandemic should be removed. Any delays now are due to other reasons. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hound Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5909601; Can someone approve this if they agree all my additions/changes are correct? Whoever entered author info spelled legal first name wrong so it needs fixing and I'm not sure if the info will be there with the name change per book's title page or if a mod has to do it from the author's record or something or other. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:03, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Done. I moved the info from the old author record to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?376213 new record], correcting that spelling error. I also fixed the review to refer to the M.-less name, so the old record went away due to no further references. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:48, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== George W. Barlow ==<br />
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Bonjour, je vous contacte pour l'article concernant mon père George W. Barlow<br />
Il y a quelques corrections et compléments qu'il voudrait apporter :<br />
Concernant sa biographie :<br />
il est né à Le Havre en Seine Maritime et non à Grenoble (où il vit)<br />
il a fréquenté l'Ecole Normale Supérieure de la rue d'Ulm et en est sorti Agrégé d'Anglais <br />
Vous trouverez ces données biographique en quatrième de couverture dans l'ouvrage que vous citez :<br />
La Science-Fiction (1987) (avec ANDREVON Jean-Pierre et GUIOT Denis)<br />
M.A. Editions, Le monde de... n° 39, 1987.<br />
Concernant sa bibliographie :<br />
-vous pouvez rajouter le roman « Antéros » publié en 2012 chez EONS collection Fantasy n°140<br />
et republié ensuite à compte d'auteur chez The BookEdition sous le titre « Antéros et chimères »<br />
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Je me tiens à votre disposition pour tout complément d'informations et vous saurais gré de me tenir informée de la suite que vous donnez à mon courrier.<br />
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Très cordialement.<br />
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Catherine Matheron/Barlow <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Catalpa|Catalpa]] ([[User talk:Catalpa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Catalpa|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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== Series ordering help ==<br />
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Hi all. I could use some help with [[User_talk:Piedro01#Mary_Stewart_Merlin_.2F_Arthurian_Saga_series_ordering|this discussion]] about ordering within one specific [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?12110 title series]. The publisher, and other sources, refer to each title's place relative to the others using the publication order. Our current series ordering reflects that. The editor feels rather strongly that the series ordering should instead reflect the internal chronology of the stories. I am afraid I may be biased, so I could use some other opinions (or even more definitive guidance, if I have misinterpreted something). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:33, 12 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== The Witch of Maracoor ==<br />
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Hello and welcome again!<br />
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I had to reject [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5563879 this one] - books are only eligible to be added 90 days before their publication. Publishers change their plans too often so adding earlier than that is rarely practical. Feel free to resubmit this one in early July. Thanks and let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:19, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Snow Tiger ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|951166|Snow Tiger}}, but I made two changes to it. The important change was the link to the cover image. Your original submission had a link to a site where we do not have linking permission (see [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Image_URL|this help]]), so I changed it to use a link to the cover on Amazon.com. Please check and confirm that is the correct image. Also, while I was on Amazon.com I noticed they have a price of $12.00, so I added that with a note as to the source. Please correct it if that is wrong (and adjust the notes). If your copy is priced $12, you can also delete the note about the price's coming from Amazon. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:52, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?953363 Jewels of Darkover] ==<br />
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Hi, there slipped some things through upon approving this anthology: you added [only as Rosemary and India Edghill] and [only as Leslie Roy Carter and Margarte L. Carter] to the list of authors of two of the items: in the first case we do recognize the 'and' as diferentiating the two authors to 'Rosemary Edgehill' and 'India Edghill' (like we do - for exmaple - for Arkady & Boris Strugatsky --> 'Arkady Strugatsky' and 'Boris Strugatsky'). For the second case we do record the spelling of the credit, even if it's a typo error. Please don't add things like the two mentioned aboveixed. I fixed those two & varianted the 'Margarte' to the parent Margaret L. Carter.<br />
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I also corrected two spellings of titles according to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title our rules of capitalization] ('Berry-thorn, Berry-thorn' --> 'Berry-Thorn, Berry-Thorn' and 'Nor Iron Bars A Cage' --> 'Nor Iron Bars a Cage'). Please take some time to read the rules more closely. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:28, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alliance-Union sub-series ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submissions ordering some of the sub-series of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?267 Aliiance-Union]. I made one change: You assigned #7 to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?932 Mri Wars], but according to the summary on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._J._Cherryh_bibliography#The_Alliance%E2%80%93Union_universe Wikipedia], that should be #6, and #7 is a missing "Era of Rapprochement". I [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70449 added that] and changed Mri Wars to #6. Please adjust if you think that is incorrect. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:55, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Codex Derynianus ==<br />
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I have rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5632667 this submission] as there are only two titles in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?10245 Deryni Magic] series, and we don't have single-title series. You're welcome to discuss this with the [[User talk:Rtrace|the primary verifier]] if you think the series name should be changed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:36, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary Stewart Merlin / Arthurian Saga series ordering ==<br />
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Hi. I have two of your submissions on hold, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5677466 The Wicked Day] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5677467 The Prince and the Pilgrim], that propose to swap the order of these two in the series. What source do you have for that change? Everything I can find says ''The Wicked Day'' is fourth and ''The Prince and the Pilgrim'' is fifth, although events in the latter are set before events in the former. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:56, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, I have no idea if I'm doing this right as I couldn't find any instructions in the help files about how to reply to a user talk.<br />
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:As to the order of he two books... that's the whole point: the events of "The Prince and the Pilgim" take place before "The Wicked Day", so in the series internal order, "The Prince and the Pilgrim" is fourth and "The Wicked Day" is fifth. The writing order is the opposite, of course. At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince_and_the_Pilgrim it is stated that "The tale is a self-contained novel taking place during Arthur's reign (possibly during the events in The Last Enchantment), and does not continue the story of The Wicked Day. It covers the time before Merlin the Enchanter's defeat." --[[User:Piedro01|Piedro01]] ([[User talk:Piedro01|talk]]) 23:53, 8 December 2023 (EET)<br />
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::You did fine! :) To better separate different comments, it helps to indent each comment/response an additional level by adding leading colons (":"), one per level. I added that to your reply and am using two colons on this response, which will let you see how that looks. For this particular numbering situation, the title series numbering should reflect the "official" series order, not the ordering of events. Amazon clearly labels [https://www.amazon.com/Wicked-Day-Arthurian-Saga-Book/dp/0060548282 The Wicked Day] as Book 4 and [https://www.amazon.com/Prince-Pilgrim-Arthurian-Saga-Book/dp/0449224430 The Prince and the Pilgrim] as Book 5, but Amazon isn't official for anything. I poked around on the publisher's site and found [https://www.hodder.co.uk/titles/mary-stewart-6/the-wicked-day/9781444737547/ The Wicked Day]. The last line of the description there is:<br />
:::"''Mary Stewart's stunning Arthurian Saga began with ''The Crystal Cave'', ''The Hollow Hills'', ''The Last Enchantment'' and ''The Wicked Day''. It concludes with ''The Prince & the Pilgrim''.''"<br />
::which is rather definitive about the ordering. There is also [https://www.hodder.co.uk/titles/mary-stewart-6/the-prince-and-the-pilgrim/9781444737561/ The Prince and the Pilgrim] which says it is the "final installment" of the Arthurian Saga.<br />
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::So based on your feedback and that additional information, I think what we should do is leave the series numbering as it is but incorporate the time ordering information in the title notes. I am going to reject those two proposed changes and make adjustments to the titles' notes. Let me know if you disagree, and we can discuss further -- it will be easy to recover those changes. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::The publisher's as well Amazon's blurbs refer to the publishing order, of course. It is what it is, defined by the publication date. That doesn't need any series title numbering. What the series numbering is needed for is just to bring forth the internal chronological order of the titles in the series. And here "The Prince and the Pilgrim" clearly comes before "The Wicked Day". In "The Prince and the Pilgrim" King Arthur is still alive: the novel is about how the Prince Alexander whose father has been murdered by his uncle, King Mark of Cornwall, sets out to travel to Camelot to seek justice from the High King Arthur. In page 333 of "The Prince and the Pilgrim" (my copy is the Hodder & Stoughton Coronet mass market paperback edition, ISBN 0-340-65411-2) in the Epilogue there is a line "Alexander was already deep in the other letter, which was indeed from the High King. It was long, beautifully penned by Arthur's scribe. In it the King thanked Alexander---" and then goes on to mention Arthur's "trusted nephew Mordred". In "The Wicked Day", King Arthur dies by the hand of the said Mordred. So which one comes officially first, Arthur living or Arthur dying? --[[User:Piedro01|Piedro01]] ([[User talk:Piedro01|talk]]) 3:49, 10 December 2023 (EET)<br />
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:::: I return to this ordering issue. According to the ISFDB "Field-by-field guide to creating and updating publication records":<br />
::::"'''Series Num'''<br />
::::'''Series Number''' - If you know the order in which the titles in the series are supposed to be read, you can number them starting with 1. You can use decimal numbers like 4.5 to place a title between the titles numbered 4 and 5. No Roman numerals (like I or IV) or letters (like "1a" or "A") are allowed. Please note that some series are very linear (e.g. Harry Potter) and it's easy to tell how to assign series number to individual entries. ''Other series can have multiple possible numbering schemes reflecting the series' publication order, '''''internal chronological order''''', intended publication order, "author recommended" order'', etc."<br />
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::::This is what I had in mind when updating the seires umbering. We do not need numbering to reflect the publcation order. We can figure that order just fine from the year of the publication which is shown right there next to the title of the publication. What the numbering should be used in this situation is to refe´lect the nternl chronological order of the series. That should be entirely fine, if I read the Help files correctly. If I have misunderstood something, can you please explain, what? I have seen numerous entries in ISFDB where the series numbering has been used exactly the way I was using it. How do those particular situations differ from this particular situation? --[[User:Piedro01|Piedro01]] ([[User talk:Piedro01|talk]]) 5:09, 1 March 2024 (EET)<br />
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:::::I apologize. I lost track of this. Let me seek some additional opinions about it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:23, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover image links ==<br />
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When adding links for cover images to a publication, please be sure to follow the guidelines on [[ISFDB:Image linking permissions]]. We can only "hotlink" to specific sites that have given us permission to do so. If the site isn't on that list, you will need to [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki|upload it yourself]]. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:38, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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~~ Thank you, this was very helpfull. [[User:Piedro01|Piedro01]] ([[User talk:Piedro01|talk]]) 14:41, 12 March 2024 (EET)</div>
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== The Howard Collector ==<br />
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I have recently entered the fanzine The Howard Collector. Two things bothered me about your verified pub http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181381 of the same name. The major problem is that the contents you verified show "Letters" on page 172 (through 191). Without the letters listed individually, I can't merge the individual letters from the fanzine with those in the book. Note that some of the letters will need identification beyond to whom they were addressed and when because there was no known date (particularly on letter to Harold Preece), so the first words are probably needed in the title. Incidentally, these letters also appear in other pubs. A less major problem was your classifying the item "Kelly the Conjure-Man" as a short story. Others have done so as well, but it seems to me that this isn't really meant to be fiction, but local history. Howard frequently related such folklore in his letters. So I classified the item as an essay rather than as shortfiction. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:07, 13 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Chessmen of Mars ==<br />
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I have been adding the essay "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1427812 Jetan, or Martian Chess]" to the US editions of Burroughs' ''The Chessmen of Mars'' per Henry Hardy Heins' ''A Golden Anniversary Bibliography of Edgar Rice Burroughs''. Heins states that the 1963 Ballantine edition includes this appendix. Could you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177933 your copy] for this appendix? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:12, 22 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Were-Creature ==<br />
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Would you check on the name of the story "The Were-Creature" in http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50755 The Year's Best Horror Stories No. 3? The magazine from which the story came does not use "The". [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 01:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Song of Horsa's Galle[r]y" in ''The Second Book of Robert E. Howard'' ==<br />
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Hi. If you happen to see this, would you check {{T|528885|The Song of Horsa's Gallery}} in your verified {{P|180181|The Second Book of Robert E. Howard}} for perhaps being "Galley", with no "r", as in the type of ship? We also have {{T|1422836|The Song of Horsa's Galley}}, and I've confirmed the r-less spelling of that one with the sole verifier. I'm checking with [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]], who verified the 1st printing of your book. If he agrees it's r-less, and I don't hear from you, I'll merge away the "r" version. Otherwise, I'll make a variant. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Guns of Khartoum ==<br />
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You verified the second printing of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180181 The Second Book of Robert E. Howard. That pub contains the above story as "Guns of Khartum" which is a misspelling. Could you confirm if the story is misspelled in the book? Thanks. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Apparently Howard misspelled Khartoum, either deliberately or in error, and all but one subsequent pub with the story kept Howard's spelling. That one is "REH: Lone Star Fictioneer #3", where they changed both the title and the spelling in the text. I'll make that one a variant. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 21:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Dwellers Under the Tomb[s]" in ''Black Canaan'' ==<br />
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Hi. Would you check whether {{T|63618|The Dwellers Under the Tombs}} in your verified {{P|4599|Black Canaan}} has that final "s"? We have {{T|1004135|The Dwellers Under the Tomb}} in several pubs, one of which I was able to check via Amazon Look Inside, so I know the singular is correct in at least some cases. I just can't tell if the one from your pub is a typo or a variant. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Playing Santa Claus[e]" ==<br />
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Hi. If you see this, would you check the spelling of {{T|75569|Playing Santa Clause}} in your verified {{P|180185|The Incredible Adventures of Dennis Dorgan}} and see if perhaps there is no "e"? The sole verifier of a publication with the {{T|701217|e-less version}} confirms no "e" there. I'm checking with [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]], who verified a different printing of your book. If he agrees it's e-less, and I don't hear from you, I'll merge away the "e" version. Otherwise, I'll make a variant. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:40, 19 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Chaosium's Cthulhu Cycle Books ==<br />
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I'm converting the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?9149 Cthulhu Cycle] series into a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1744 publication series] and you have verified several books in that series. I'll be making that change to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185061 The Shub-Niggurath Cycle]'', ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185057 The Azathoth Cycle]'', ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35690 The Disciples of Cthulhu]'', ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55648 The Xothic Legend Cycle]'' and ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24639 The Nyarlathotep Cycle]''. I'm making assumptions that the last two in that list are numbers 13 and 14 respectively in the series. I know that at some point Chaosium stopped numbering the Cycle books, but I'm not sure when that occurred. I know you don't check in here often, but if you could check that I got those numbers right when you do. I'd appreciate it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I added an item for the interior art for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185061 The Shub-Niggurath Cycle]'', having acquired a copy. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:59, 7 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Eyes of the Overworld ==<br />
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This "novel" by Jack Vance (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39416) is made up of novelettes and short stories that have been published elsewhere, all but one ("Cil") prior to publication in this book. Shouldn't these stories be treated as contents? I've just entered the Underwood-Miller version, and have the Gregg version to enter as well. I've entered the stories as contents for the UM, and intend to import the contents for the Gregg. If you feel this is a problem, please let me know. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:00, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== (A) Fighting Man of Mars ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan to your copy of Burroughs' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107771 Fighting Man of Mars]''. I also have a question about this one. I can see that the cover omits the "A" from the title and the title of the publication record reflects this. However, it isn't under a variant of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68 A Fighting Man of Mars]''. Could you check the title page and see how the title is reflected there? If it is missing the "A" then we should probably set up a variant title. If not, we should correct the publication record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:54, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist for ''The Sword and the Stallion'' ==<br />
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Hi. Would you check the cover artist credit for your verified 1974 {{P|142361|The Sword and the Stallion}}? I'm wondering if it might be "Johns'''<u>t</u>'''on instead of "Johnson". I am also checking with [[User:Uzume|Uzume]]. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cormac Mac Art ==<br />
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I added/changed a couple of things to your entry for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118771 Cormac Mac Art]. First, I added the xiv pages to the page numbers. Second, I disambiguated the "A Note on the Text" by adding the pub title. I don't know if this title was used again, but just in case. Third, I changed "Introduction (Cormac Mac Art)" to "Introduction: Ancient History" as Drake titled it. Of course, if you disagree with any of these changes, please feel free to change them back. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Azathoth Cycle ==<br />
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I'm going to correct the title of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?554753 introduction] to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185057 The Azathoth Cycle]'' to match the title as it appears in the book (it is currently titled simply "Introduction"). I'm also going to add an interior art item for the chapter decorations and mention the number line in the notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:07, 12 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Winfield (In)Heritance ==<br />
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I changed the title of the Lin Carter story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55648 this verified pub] from "The Winfield Heritance" to "The Winfield Inheritance". Locus1 has it this way, and the original publication in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54151 Weird Tales #3] too. Please check the collection if you have the opportunity. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:55, 13 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Nyarlathotep Cycle ==<br />
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I'm making several changes to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24639 Nyarlathotep Cycle]'':<br />
#I'm changing the name from "Nyarlathotep Cycle: Tales about the God of a Thousand Forms" to "The Nyarlathotep Cycle: The God of a Thousand Forms" which is how it appears on the title page.<br />
#I've added the Roman numbered page to the page count.<br />
#I've added to the notes and linked to the OCLC record.<br />
#I've added an item for the interior art.<br />
#I've changed the title of the introduction to match that in the book.<br />
#I've changed the form of Lord Dunany's name to that used on the stories' title pages.<br />
Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:38, 4 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Great Short Novels of Adult Fantasy (I) ==<br />
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I added notes to Carter's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15932 Great Short Novels of Adult Fantasy]''. I additionally removed the Roman number from the title as it is not reflected on the title page. I probably wouldn't have noticed if not for the difference in titles being mentioned in the Bleiler review that I added to the notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hyborian Age ==<br />
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I would like to reclassify "The Hyborian Age" from ESSAY to SHORTFICTION. The piece is obviously fiction; there are two pubs containing this content that I don't believe should be called NONFICTION based on the label ESSAY on "The Hyborian Age". You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179769 Skull-Face Omnibus Volume 3] with this content. Please comment on the proposed reclassification at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Trumpet_.2310 my page]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 03:18, 8 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Worm Ouroboros ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?109441 this book]. Could you check the year and ISBN please. My "Reprinted 1972" Pan/Ballantine edition priced at 50p has SBN 345-09470-8 printed on the back cover with "Printed in England" in a black rectangular box at the bottom. Pan logo only on bottom of spine. Thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:29, 16 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks for checking. Looks like I have an earlier edition than yours. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:07, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Banshee ==<br />
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Can you tell me if "The Banshee" on page 247 of your verified {{P|167131|Shapes of the Supernatural}} is the same as [http://www.classicreader.com/book/2993/1/ this story]? Thanks.<br />
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== Looking for Jake -possible title merge? ==<br />
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I'm verifying my edition of your PV1 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88592<i>Looking for Jake</I>], but see that yours appears to be identical to this unverified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?200417 edition]. The only difference I can find is that the other book has the artwork for the story 'On the way to the Front' listed in Contents, but doesn't have the month in the Year date box. Your listing doesn't show the artwork, but does show the month (September, which is confirmed on Locus1). Whoever put the other book on the system has a note about the cover art, but both covers, and mine, do show what he says the cover should so. The other note just describes the graphic story.<br />
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Could your check your copy for artwork? If it's the same, it seem that the two titles could be merged. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 11:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Green Brain - publication date? ==<br />
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My copy of <I>The Green Brain</I> seems identical to your PV1'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?109061<i>The Green Brain</I>], but could I check the date with you? The copyright page in my book reads as follows:<br />
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FIRST NEL PAPERBACK EDITION JULY 1973<br />
Reprinted September 1973<br />
This new edition April 1975<br />
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This agrees with the 1975-04-00 date you have in metadata, but I wondered why the pub note states that your pub date came from another edition, the 1979 NEL hardcover, rather than from your own book, as above in mine, unless that is not in your book. Could you confirm what is on your copyright page, so I know whether to verify or do a new pub? Thanks, [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 22:48, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man - Year and pub notes ==<br />
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I've amended the 'Year' field in your PV1'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3935<i>Behold the Man</I>] to show the date from Locus1, and added pub notes on Locus1, cover art credit and pricing. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 22:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== James Herbert's '48 ==<br />
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I'd like to add the Author's Note to your verified pub of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13 '48]. It appears on an unnumbered page after the novel. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 13:08, 28 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Chinese Agent ==<br />
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I updated the cover artist for Moorcock's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37067 The Chinese Agent]'' per [[User talk:Rtrace#The Chinese Agent|this discussion]]. I also added a link to the Worldcat record while I was in there. Do you have any idea why we have a 1971 date? I don't see anything in the book to support it. I'm cross-posting this on the other verifier's page. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:38, 13 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Anxiety in the Eyes of a Cricket ==<br />
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You have verified {{P|157521|this publication}} containing {{T|331111|The Anxiety in the Eyes of a Cricket}} and {{P|120231|this publication}} containing {{T|57710|The Anxiety in the Eyes of the Cricket}}. Would you please check to see if these are the same story and either variant them or add notes stating they are different as appropriate? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:13, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Death Trance ==<br />
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Hi. I added a note to your pv'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9548 pub]. I was verifying OCLC and they showed a different page count than your copy. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 07:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== from a buick 8 ==<br />
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hi, i was going to add a few notes to from a buick 8, like first printing by number line etc, and since you're the primary verifier i wanted go get your OK. thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 16:38, 2 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Conjure Wife ==<br />
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My copy of {{P|112641|Conjure Wife}} has a different copyright page to this one. There is no mention of <I>First published April 1943 in Unknown Worlds magazine</I>, mine states <I>First published in the U.S.A. by Twayne Publishers, Inc., 1953</I>. The printing date in my copy states <I>Published in Penguin Books 1969</I>, month is not included. The Back Cover of my copy states "<I>Cover design by Franco Grignani</I>. As he is only credited as the Designer he shouldn't be listed as the Cover Artist. Should I create a clone or should the Notes be changed? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 18:14, 21 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Wanderer ==<br />
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The Cover Artist for {{P|109751|The Wanderer}} should not be identified as <I>Franco Grignani</I> as he is only credited on the back cover as the designer not the illustrator. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 16:59, 22 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Equal Rites ==<br />
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Can you please check your cover art of this version of {{P|144711|Equal Rites}}. My copy, which matches the Printing History, is the same as the cover {{P|12497|here}}. If the cover art is not right then I will upload a scan of my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 17:59, 17 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Story missing from ''Feelings of Fear''? ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|170191|Feelings of Fear}}, is there perhaps another story, "Road Kill", between "Out of Her Depth" and "Lolicia"? The Amazon Look Insides for this later {{P|475458|ebook edition}} and {{P|390356|tp edition}} has that. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:18, 25 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Legends for the Dark ==<br />
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I was hoping you could check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20144 your copy] to verify whether the translation for ''The Ordeal of Doctor Trifulgas'' in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94822 title note] was correct. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:08, 3 March 2019 (EST)<br />
: It has a note "(A new translation from the French)" and starts with "It is a terrible night, the wind is on the rampage and the rain is falling in torrents." --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 18:59, 13 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
::If you've no objection, I'll separate the story title out out and note the translation. It shouldn't affect the publication. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:19, 16 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Yes, that's fine. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 04:16, 24 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''The Count of Eleven'' cover art ==<br />
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Hi. I have added cover artist (David Kearney) to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178169 your verified], as per other editions. Cheers ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 08:00, 13 August 2019 (EDT).<br />
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== Master Mind of Mars ==<br />
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Edited notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107781 this] to add full printing history --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:57, 7 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Moon Men ==<br />
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Added cover scan and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107531 this] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:12, 7 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Dr. Caligari's Black Book ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126061 this] is Bruce Pennington, according to the checklist in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411890 Pennington: A Portrait of a Master Fantasy Artist]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 03:48, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Panther Granada ==<br />
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Hi, with regard to the conversation here [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#.22Panther_Granada.22_and_.22Panther_.2F_Granada.22__-__Imprint_.2F_Publisher], you are PV {{P|145831|here}}.<br />
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If you see this, could you please check and let me know whether you agree to a publisher change to "Panther / Granada". Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 23:23, 4 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Legends from the End of Time ==<br />
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Changed the image on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?155381 this] pub from a later paperback to the hardcover British edition. The image was added after your verification and I can see no notification of this on your talk page. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:15, 10 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Plato Papers ==<br />
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Added a cover image and expanded the notes for our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45391 The Plato Papers]. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 05:21, 8 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The City in the Autumn Stars ==<br />
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Added a cover scan for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37164 The City in the Autumn Stars]. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 03:30, 12 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Weird Tales Vol 1 ==<br />
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Finally found cover art attribution for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54164 this]. Les Edwards, of course. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 17:40, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Philosopher's Stone ==<br />
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Hi, did you attribute [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108981 this] cover art to Bob Fowke? The art has some typical Bob Haberfield signatures. Look at the eye between the stones, it's the same style as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521711 An Alien Heat], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?162851 A Mirror for Observers], Dagon, and several other Haberfield covers. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 06:08, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.goodshowsir.co.uk/?tag=bob-fowke This site] seems to think it's Bob Fowke. Attribution to either Fowke or Habberfield is speculative at best. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 06:58, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Nightmare Reader Vol 1 ==<br />
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Hi, where does the cover art credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44698 this] from? Cover artist should be Alan Lee, see [http://www.stephenjoneseditor.com/wfc2013/goh-alee01.html www.stephenjoneseditor.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 08:28, 9 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia Maid of Mars ==<br />
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Cover art credit Bruce Pennington for Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107721 pv pub] from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411890 Pennington: A Portrait of a Master Fantasy Artist]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:00, 12 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Pirates of Venus ==<br />
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Added printing history to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107671 this] publication.--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:15, 19 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Earth Abides ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151871 this] in reference to the colour of the cover. Some Corgi SF Collector's Library editions have blue stippled covers, some purple. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 06:45, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark Dance ==<br />
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Added cover art credit to {{P|8794|Dark Dance}} with notes for sourcing [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 11:31, 5 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Land Leviathan ==<br />
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Please [[User_talk:Ppint.pinto#The_Land_Leviathan|come participate in this discussion]] regarding your verified publication. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:24, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Just following up in case you become active again. If you do, I'd appreciate you commenting [[User_talk:Ppint.pinto#The_Land_Leviathan|come here]]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:17, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Horror in the Burying Ground ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122081 this] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:48, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Soldier of Arete ==<br />
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Amended note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31023 this] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:52, 13 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia[,] Maid of Mars ==<br />
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Please visit [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Holmesd#Thuvia.5B.2C.5D_Maid_of_Mars my talk page] regarding the presence/absence of a comma in the title of the NEL edition of Thuvia Maid of Mars you PV'd. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:07, 31 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Claw ==<br />
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I saw you were around a few days ago so leaving a message (and welcome back)! A bit of an update to one of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5099503 verified]. As the title page was visible, I went and approved it but if you do have a different version, let me know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:34, 27 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Boats of the 'Glen Carrig' ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36230 this] is Luis Rey stated on rear cover. I've also added notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:18, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Opium General ==<br />
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You've verified two editions of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37787 The Opium General]''. I'm going to change the title to append "and Other Stories". It appears this way on the Harrap edition, and for the Grafton one, it appears that way in Worldcat as well as on the cover. I'm assuming that the title page agrees. Aside from that, I'll be adding the introduction to the Harrap edition which we're missing. It seems you are here infrequently, but do reach out to me if you have any problems or questions about these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:29, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Synthetic Men of Mars ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288445 this] is credited to Richard Clifton-Dey on the [https://www.erbzine.com/mag7/0737.html ERB Webzine site] (2nd image from the bottom). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:11, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pratchett & Gaiman / Good Omens ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?145541 Good Omens] and will make changes as discussed on the Moderators Noticeboard [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Pratchett_.26_Gaiman_.2F_Good_Omens here]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 14:13, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:That's fine, thanks for fixing it [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 12:56, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Legends for the Dark (addendum) ==<br />
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I have modified the title record for one of the stories in your PVed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20144 Legends of the Dark], specifically [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2526878 The Ordeal of Doctor Trifulgas]. I have included the opening lines to help differentiate the translation, for which this is the only known publication. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 11:40, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Another message with same title from years ago up above; you may want to add something to this one's title so people clicking won't go to the old one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:07, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Inactive user" header ==<br />
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Welcome back! I see that you have responded to a few queries, uploaded a couple of scans and created 4 submissions over the last week or so. Would you like to have the "Inactive user" header removed from this Talk page? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:56, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Yeah, may make sense. I'll see if I can do some catching up. [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 15:25, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Great! [[Rules and standards changelog]] may be a good place to visit. Feel free to ask any questions that may come up! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:18, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Casablanca ==<br />
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Hi Unapersson <br />
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I happened upon the Locus1 record for Moorcock's {{P|107101|Casablanca}}, which you've verified. Locus has the publication month as December, 1989. Do you have any objections if I add the month and note the source? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:52, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Similar question for {{P|37164|The City in the Autumn Stars}}, where Locus1 has the publication month as April 1986. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:11, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: That's fine. The book itself doesn't have that level of detail [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 10:58, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I found another one of these where Locus has the month. For {{P|33268|Stitch}}, there's a scan of the book, so I can tell that the month isn't mentioned. I'll go ahead and add the month and note the source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Metatemporal Detective ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5656672; Just checking if your PV copy has that odd number line with the missing number? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:25, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yes it does, just the same [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 07:17, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Darkest Road ==<br />
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Hello. You have a copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?145501 this] book. I picked up a copy yesterday and need to check with you. Mine has "Reprinted 1989 (twice)" on copyright page. Is yours the same ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:27, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Mine says "Reprinted in 1989". So I'll add a the note to it and you can clone that pub for the 2nd reprint. [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 13:32, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great. Thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:47, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== NotC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44533; There is a Library of Congress record for this which says there are viii pages of Roman numerals so if your copy has those you may want to add them to page count. Also, as so often, an editor named Bluesman added the month without any info about where they got it from, so if you can verify that's the correct month you may want to add it where appropriate. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:51, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Michael Shea / Nifft the Lean ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122021 Nifft the Lean] and will add pub month (Feb) [source: Locus1], pub notes and page numbers of stories. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:49, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Rage ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5767052; I replaced the unstable Amazon cover of our co-PV book with one from AbeBooks which is brighter, less scratchy, and framed better. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:45, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hellbound Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24102; https://picclick.com/NIGHT-VISIONS-THE-HELLBOUND-HEART-Clive-Barker-George-RR-155434216438.html; If your copy also says March on copyright page you should add month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:02, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bloodwars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53141; I made an edit way back in August and they won't approve it so is publisher actually Roc UK and is my note about last page being unnumbered correct? Those are the only changes I made. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: All three of the Vampire Wars books are Roc UK. I'll have to dig out the book to check the unnumbered page [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 10:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Earl Aubec ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123211; I had an edit adding archived link to the '97 PB approved earlier today and I fixed "Dear Reader" in the contents to an essay and fixed the author from "Michael Michael" to Michael Moorcock. I assume your PV copy of the earlier edition says the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:08, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I should really add a cover scan at some point too, current one is for hardcover [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 10:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Twentieth Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48924; I added last 2 stories (Rip Tide, My Very Best Friend) to contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:50, 24 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Drachenfels ==<br />
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Hi, we both primary verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53806 Drachenfels], but I may have made a mistake with mine. Last month I saw some 'Warhammer' titles at a local free 2nd hand shop and decided to take them with me to compare them to my titles. Amongst them was 'Drachenfels' but there was a difference with my already existing copy. The embossed title was in black, while mine was in mauve/roze. When I passed on my edition to my nephew he remarked to me "Ah, a second printing, 1990". If you have a black embossed version I have a new cover scan for yours (I'll change my verification into transient), if you have a mauve embossed one like me, I'd like you to check my nephew's remark: is yours a second printing too? --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 15:29, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Just checked and I do have the black embossed version [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 10:04, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Nightmare Factory ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44691; I added Amazon cover which is the same as C&G cover and also added Roman numerals, xxi, to count since C&G has the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:25, 7 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Urth of the New Sun ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49207<br />
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hi there would you mind if I Replace the amazon pic with my own cover scan and add the overseas prices to the notes - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:31, 16 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: No, that's fine, the less reliance on Amazon images the better [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]])<br />
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== Best New SF 5 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115041<br />
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Hi there as youre the other pv for this would you mind if I added the "summation" and "honourable mentions" to the contents as they're already in the american editions. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good to me [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 12:28, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37978<br />
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hi there could you have a quick squint at this one please. My Copy has two different isbns. 075150050X on the copyright page and above the barcode on the back cover. also on the back cover is 0747411875 which is the one listed for the other 1992 warner edition. if yours is the same then I could add a note about it. I could import the preface, afterword and int art as well if you have no objections. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:51, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561<br />
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Hiya i'm just checking round to see if the pvs mind if I add Michael Whelans interior art for this one. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 16:32, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I'd be fine with that [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 17:46, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== ''To the Vanishing Point'' ==<br />
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Hi. See your verified {{P|187597|To The Vanishing Point}} and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5860579 this submission]. Does your copy have an Oribit logo on the spine and say "Orbit Books" on the title page, as described for the Archive.org copy? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:48, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, it is Orbit [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 17:45, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks. I accepted the submission and adjusted the note. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:17, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Magic Omnibus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?124351; While adding Archive.org link I fixed title to Black Magic I; note says 1 but it's I on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:45, 11 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== Timothy Zahn's Blackcollar ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BLCKCLLRDW2006 this pub] as it appears that the ISBN is actually assigned to another title ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?171789 Resonance] by Chris Dolley according to OCLC, Amazon and abebooks.com). Also you've changed it to an omnibus, but have only entered one novel as its contents. Does this pub include another novel (other than ''The Backlash Mission'')? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:11, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Replacing cover scans ==<br />
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Hello, I approved your submission identifying PAJ as the illustrator of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?135351 this pub]. It's customary to inform the primary verifier of this modification as per their demand, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:BLongley here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Panther and Granada handling ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your {{P|397375|Dying Earth}} submission. In answer to your question about the publisher, when you see something like Panther Books over Granada, Granada is usually the publisher, with Panther being the imprint (often, the "imprint" might have been an independent publisher at some point, bought by the current publisher, with the brand name maintained). We record this using <imprint> + space + / + space + <publisher>. E.g., Panther / Granada. I made that change and put the information from your note to the moderator into the publication notes. Please feel free to adjust what I wrote to reflect reality. :-) A handy trick I've learned for dealing with publishers and imprints is when you're on one of the ISFDB pages, you can choose "Publisher" in the search box at the left, and then look for the names you see (e.g., Panther or Granada). That will give you some ideas about what others have entered. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Some of your submissions ==<br />
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Hi, I have your submission on hold to add '' How Old Holly Came To Be '' to 'The Kingkiller Chronicle' series, while both the [http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2012/10/pre-order-of-unfettered/ author's blog] ("Yes, my story is set in the Four Corners world") and the [http://shawnspeakman.com/unfettered/ anthology's page] speak of another series. Have you other or additional Information?<br />
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Also, I rejected your submission to add Michael J. Sullivan's ''The Jester'' to the series 'The Riyria Universe' and put it instead into the sub-series 'The Riyria Chronicles'. Else it would have been somewhat freefloating within the 'Universe'.<br />
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Similar case for Peter V. Brett's ''Mudboy'': the proper (sub-)series is 'Demon Cycle', again as per the anthology page.<br />
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Apart from these few 'complaints' you helped very much in keeping track of the various author's cycles and series. Thanks for that! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I found your hint about the Kingkiller/Four Corners series and approved of your submission. Thanks for clearing things! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:27, 8 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Terry Brooks' "Paladins of Shannara" chapterbooks ==<br />
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I accepted you submission of {{P|434533|Alannon's Quest}} and moved the source information you provided in the notes to the moderator the the publication notes instead. If data does not come first hand from the publication itself, we record the source(s) in the notes so that anyone looking at the record can tell where it did come from. While I was at it, I made a new Shannara Universe sub-series, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?35848 Paladins of Shannara], and placed the novelette in it.<br />
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The same goes for {{P|434534|The Weapons Master's Choice}} and {{P|434535|The Black Irix}}. The latter had a copy-paste problem, reusing the former's Amazon link; I changed that. I also added links to the cover images on Amazon, while I was at it.<br />
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Please review. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Stirling's Emberverse ==<br />
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I have rejected your submission to put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566245 this story] into the Emberverse series. There are two sub-series, Emberverse I and Emberverse II, and according to the [http://smstirling.com/books/pronouncing-doom/ author's site] it belongs into the first. So I've put it into that one. Thank you again for keeping an open eye. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:15, 9 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Ann Leckie's ''Ancillary Sword'' ==<br />
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Since October 2014 is still 6+ months in the future, I am afraid I will have to reject the submission. There is a very good chance that something will change between now and October -- publication date, cover art, perhaps even the ISBN. Typically, we enter forthcoming ISBNs 6 to 10 weeks before publication when things are more settled. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking split novels ==<br />
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Well, the best way to link would be to link/variant both titles to the original one, just like for the first german publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19616 Perdido Street Station], which was split into ''Die Falter'' and ''Der Weber''. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:00, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover: A Princess of Mars ==<br />
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Cover art credits that are identical (same publication title, same artist credit, same artwork) should be merged not varianted. Varianting is only used if the title or artist credit vary, but the artwork is the same. I have rejected your submission to variant the this cover art and have instead merged it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Series and Variant Titles ==<br />
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When adding a title series, please ensure you add it to the parent record and not a variant. If you add it to the parent, it will automatically be displayed on any variants. I had to reject your edit, but I added "The Expanse" to {{T|1557310|the parent record}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sources in the Note field ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451907 this record]: The URL for the source should be given in the "Note" field, not the "Note to Moderator" field. All data entered into the latter field disappears the moment the submission is accepted, because its purpose is to provide information concerning the '''submission''' itself, and not about the '''publication'''. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:06, 7 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:You continue to enter source information in the "Note to Moderator" field. You should enter the URL in the "Note" field as explained above. I will hold all submissions until you've had a chance to read this message and respond to it. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, sorry about that. I was thinking that because URLs can change just mentioning the name of the source in the "Note" field was enough, with the actual URL additionally given in the "Note to Moderator" field for double-checking. Also, links to Deutsche Nationalbibliothek are generated automatically via the ISBN if I see this right. Can you confirm I should put the link to DNB in the "Note" field? How about Amazon as the other main source I use? Thanks. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 20:02, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::You don't have the give the URL at all if you give the source in the Note field. If you choose to give the URL, you also have the option to link it, but that's not required. You don't have to link Amazon (or any website listed in the "Other Sites" menu of a publication record), because all records with ISBNs are automatically linked to those sites. For non-ISBN publications, it's a good idea (but not required) to link the source in the Note field. Giving the URL in the Note to Moderator field isn't necessary and it disappears upon acceptance. If there is something unusual about the submission which you feel the moderator should know (but don't want to be visible in the publication record), then state it in the Note to Moderator field. Also, if you find it necessary to ask questions, don't use the Note to Moderator field to ask it. Questions should be asked in a message posted at the [[ISFDB:Help_desk]]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:35, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Duplicates ==<br />
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You created records for some publications which are already in the database. ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1526350 This one] for example.) I will delete the duplicates. Please do a search before making a submission to create a new record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:44, 5 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Binding ==<br />
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If you're adding publications from a secondary source, you can get the bindings from their listings on Amazon. It will usually give whether it's a hardcover or paperback. For paperback listings, you have to look further at the dimensions in the publication data of the listing. If it's more than 7 inches or 18 centimeters, a paperback should be entered as "tp". I've updated this on most the records you've entered today, but keep this in mind when adding any future records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:48, 5 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:You can also use Amazon to provide the publication date. I wouldn't suggest using them for anything older than 2000. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Series and Variant Records ==<br />
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Thanks for removing the series data from those variant records, but anytime that a record is a variant of another record in a series, that series data will be displayed in all of the variant titles as well. So adding series data to variants would be redundant and have both titles to be displayed on the series list. (This was mentioned in an earlier post by another moderator.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Euro character ==<br />
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Please use € (entered as ALT-0128) to indicate publications priced in euros. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:45, 19 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing the type of a publication ==<br />
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When you see that a publication has been entered under the wrong type, e.g. NOVEL should be COLLECTION, you have to change the type field of both the publication record and its title record. I've done that for you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?458178 here]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:42, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Pseudonyms and variants ==<br />
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These are two different functions. The creation of pseudonyms only affect author records. The creation of variants only affect title records. So when you do one of these you have to follow up by doing the other. The titles under Bernard Craw and James A. Sullivan will have to be varianted to the parent author. (BTW, you don't have to wait for acceptance of a submission to do one in order to do the other.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:17, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Entering euros in the price field ==<br />
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There should not be a space between the currency symbol and the amount. If the currency is in a non-symbolic or abbreviated alphabetical form, a space is necessary. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:01, 31 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Amazon.de good source for data on recent publications ==<br />
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If you're looking for publication date or prices (and to link a cover image) for recent German publications, a good source is Amazon.de. (I don't recommend using it for publications more than a decade old.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:53, 2 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Pseudonyms and variants again ==<br />
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As noted above, when you create a pseudonym, you have to also variant all of the titles under that pseudonym to the canonical author. Please proceed to variant the four titles by {{A|Jacob Ben Gunter}} to {{A|Peter David}}. If you're certain that it's a correct pseudonym,(you wouldn't make a submission to do so otherwise), you can do the variant submissions without waiting for moderation of the pseudonym submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:47, 19 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Die Star Wars Saga'' ==<br />
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Please add content records for the novels contained in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507782 this publication]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:42, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Still waiting for the contents to be added to this OMNIBUS publication. This type of publication requires that at least one content record be a NOVEL. I suspect that there are the three original novelizations of the first Star Wars trilogy, but I'd have to research to determine the translated titles of each. You should be able to do it easier than me. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:04, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I've gone ahead and added contents. Please correct any errors if present. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Entering contents of an OMNIBUS ==<br />
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Same problem as above with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507788 this record]. When you enter an OMNIBUS, you must enter content records for each of the NOVELs which it contains. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:09, 27 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Publication dates from secondary sources ==<br />
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I added the publication date to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?510836 this record] sourced from Amazon.de. For books published within the last decade Amazon is a good source for the publication date. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Feist - Magician ==<br />
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Replaced cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401044 this book] with full wraparound version. And I'm that much of a nerdy fan that I know that Terok Nor is the Cardassian name for Deep Space Nine. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:51, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Le Guin's ''The Left Hand of Darkness'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the author credit and ISBN-13 stated in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547962 this record] is present in the publication itself? The author credit should be from the title page, and the ISBN-13 (all digits) must be given on the copyright page. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Yes on both. I left a moderator note on the pub submission regarding the name, and the ISBN is indeed 13 digits on the copyright page. This is the currently in-print UK edition. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 09:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
::But did they really didn't change the reprint history, which seems to end in 1992? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:42, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::They didn't. It looks to me like they only introduced number lines with the 1992 edition, abandoning the old printing history. Compare [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?543130 this record] for example. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 17:17, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Now it all makes sense. I know that a 1992 printing wouldn't have an ISBN-13. Perhaps a note of clarification is needed? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:25, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::One last thing: which of the two Tim White covers for this work is used in this printing? Once you've determined that, please merge your coverart title record with the correct one. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::::I modified the note and have already merged the covers. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 11:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow of Intent ==<br />
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Hello, I've added the corresponding novella to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554186 submission]. A CHAPBOOK must have a content (exactly one SHORTFICTION title). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:41, 4 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Van Richten's Guide to Ghosts'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32790 this title]: Changing the type of a title has no effect on the type of the publication. So it would have been better to update the publication record and you could have edited the types of both. I've updated the publication. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Wax and Wayne" sub-series ==<br />
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I have your "Wax and Wayne" sub-series submissions on hold. It looks ok to me, but since the change affects verified publications, it's the sort of thing one should ask the primary verifiers about first. I've posted a note to the verifiers [[User_talk:Biomassbob#Mistborn_sub-series_.22Wax_and_Wayne.22|here]]. Once they give their OK, I'll accept those submissions. BTW, it looks like it would be nice to figure out a sub-series name for that first trilogy, too. I didn't see anything obvious on Sanderson's site, though. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:44, 18 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan and Perry Rhodan NEO universes ==<br />
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Thanks for the suggestion, but we came to the verdict that they are separate universes, at least as long as no one writes a connecting story. The difference to other universes is that Star Trek or Star Wars subseries are just separated by time gaps, not by a different occurence of events and somewhat different main characters. So, as long as you have no additional information, it seems the universes are mutually exclusive by logic. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:That's not really the case with Star Trek/Star Wars. Star Wars for example has all material published before 2014 now classified as "Legends", with new books overwriting the old stories. Star Trek has had a large novel-only continuity since about 2001, but books are published that are not compatible with it all the time, like a tie-in to the Star Trek Online game, or the "Crucible" trilogy. The difference to PR is that all those tie-in books still adhere to the continuity of the original films and/or TV shows, so it's not quite the same situation. Still my point remains - listed under one main series are stories that are incompatible with each other and tell different versions of the same events. It also feels somehow "wrong" to me to have no connection between different incarnations of the same franchise (for lack of a better word) in the database. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 14:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Still the owner of the Perry Rhodan franchises keeps the two series as independent. As stated above: this may change somewhen in the future. By all logic applied now and here, they are different. There ain't no connection as one universe being a legend in the other, as in Star Wars; there's only a similarity in name. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:36, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Returned ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but choose (as per data that you gave) to take the simplest route, i.e. to treat each book as a standalone novel (you gave a word count of 50.000) a bit along the lines of what was done for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?5787 this split novel]. It will be time later if the whole text appears in one book either to make it an OMNIBUS or to variant the parts to the whole (as is made for translated works) or to go the SERIAL route (I'm not very fond of that, as SERIAL being usually for magazine publication). Result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?582267 here for the first one]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Introductions ==<br />
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When entering essays with generic titles (Introduction, Preface, Forward, etc.), the publication title should be added afterwards in parenthesis. I approved your edit to {{P|519901|Apollo's Daughters}}, but changed the introduction title to "Introduction (Apollo's Daughters)". Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Just to be sure, can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2046646 this text] is a fiction one (its title may indicate an essay). Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:48, 28 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Boten des Lichts'' ==<br />
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Hello. Re your update of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287946 this pub] : I have replaced the cover scan you provided (with a very poor definition) by a better one. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 09:48, 29 August 2016 (UTC).<br />
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== Mann zweier Welten ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?595985 this publication]. I'm surprised that the flags for "Nongenre" and "Graphic format" are set to "yes". Is this deliberate? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:That was not deliberate. I don't know how those got there. I don't see them checked on the submission page when I go back in my browser history. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 10:46, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
::There was a recent change for this fields, likely a side-effet. I'll correct the title data. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Run ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission for this new novel but changed publisher to "Karen Traviss" as per copyright page. As I've understood it, we decided to stop using "CreateSpace" as it's just the printer and make the author the publisher. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:24, 3 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Die dunkle Seite des Mondes ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but was wondering if we should variant the cover to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?140431 this one] or just add a note? What are your thoughts on the matter? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:42, 28 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Interesting, nice find. First thought: I would have no problem with making it a variant. But: what if the background is from a different cover that might also be in the database? That would complicate things. So maybe a note is enough. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 18:48, 1 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Wars ==<br />
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Hello TerokNor, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507724 here] is the title with "Star Wars" other pubs are without this, can we delete this term "Star Wars"? It belongs not to the title. Please look at the discussion [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Wolfram.winkler#Blanvalet_and_Star_Wars Blanvalet and Star Wars]<br />
--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:51, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Sure, the series title probably doesn't need to be part of the publication title - most similar publications do not have it either. So I have no problem with removing it. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 07:53, 13 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks to you both. I've changed the title.Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:39, 13 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== "Ordering" authors ==<br />
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Had a good chuckle over the submission to change the 'ordering' of the authors for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?89444 this]]. This is fighting the ghost/gremlins in the machine. As yet I know of no way to re-arrange multiple authors once the edition is in the database, and the software seems quite frivolous/perspicacious/downright weird as what you enter even from scratch isn't necessarily what you get after it's been accepted. I tried the same edit you did but at the title level, no change. I haven't tried entering a completely NEW omnibus and see what happens, but I seem to recall trying that before and having the same 'null' result. Maybe Ahasuerus can explain it or maybe there's a workaround I'm unaware of, but at the moment the attempt is just tilting at windmills. I think everybody's tried it at least once. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 20:21, 2 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
:I think the ordering change was just something I did on the side, I primarily wanted to correct the author from "Sarah Shaw" to "Sarah Shaw (pseudonym)". But that's good to know in any case, thanks. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 11:04, 3 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Das Netz der Romulaner ==<br />
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I found an image URL for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506102 this pub]. Can You confirm it right? It seems to be signed by artist? And I found other prices at Deutsche Nationalbibliothek. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 07:18, 28 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
:I don't have it anymore, so I can't confirm unfortunately. So I can't say whether the cover matches the printing I had exactly. It does look right for the era though, and I also found this [http://www.ebay.de/itm/391802587432 eBay listing] for the same printing. The artist is of course the same as on English editions, since the artwork matches. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 05:15, 29 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== "Probe", as credited to Margaret Wander Bonanno ==<br />
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I've proposed a change to the author of this book, a copy of which you have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832272 verified], and request that you review my justification on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#.22Probe.22.2C_as_credited_to_Margaret_Wander_Bonanno Community Portal]. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:28, 11 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing the Non-Genre flag ==<br />
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Hello, when you set the Non-Genre flag of a title to "Yes", please rememeber that this change must also be effectuated for ALL the variant titles. As they do not inherit this property from their parent (as is the case for the title series data), the flag must be set manually for each one lest they appear on our cleanup reports. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 05:54, 28 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Professor Zamorra, #173: Zombie-Fieber ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission that intended to change the Title Series on hold. What are you trying to achive? A grouping by year? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:14, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
:Yes, exactly. All others issues of the magazine are grouped that way. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 03:18, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
::I supposed so. To do this, you just have to change the title at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2337197 title level] from "Professor Zamorra, #173: Zombie-Fieber" to "Professor Zamorra - 1981" (the way you've chosen would have created a new magazine called <i>Professor Zamorra - 1981</i>). Do you want to try? (note that this operation is cleraer when that are multiple issues under one title). Note that we also set the date to "1981" in such cases. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:24, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks, I tried that. Can I add another 1981 issue to the new grouping in a single step? Or must the EDITOR title be changed manually after the new MAGAZINE is created? And how about when I want to add a 1982 issue? Any way to create the proper 1982 EDITOR title in one step? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 03:43, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
::::For the other 1981 issue, you'll have to create the issue then merge the obtained issue's title with the yearly one. For 1982 it's a two step procedure (create publication then change title). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:25, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== ''Terranauten'' ==<br />
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Hi, thanks for adding this series. But [https://www.terranauten.de/romane.html here] is a list of the magazines that also has the days of publication. Would it be possible to use those (it would safe us some additional work of updating)? But thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:04, 16 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, I'm aware of that site. I have however no idea how reliable the information is. I found [http://www.armin-moehle.de/Artikel/DieWeltderTerranauten.htm another site] that says the series started in November, not October, and that it went on until 1982. I have no way to tell what's right, so for now I wanted to just add the stories themselves. Hopefully, more research can be done to narrow down the exact dates, like how it is being done with Terra/PR through the ads etc. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 13:13, 16 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::You're right! The first site doesn't take the two-weekly schedule in the beginning into account. Thanks for the note. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:11, 17 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== A request ==<br />
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You have verified three Edgar Rice Burroughs books [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444767 A Princess of Mars], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?448412 The Gods of Mars] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?458122 The Warlord of Mars] that are a complete surprise to someone who is cataloging all of the Ballantine and Del Rey editions of ERB. Would you be able to send an image (scan or photo) of the copyright pages for these books to either myself (4holmes@mts.net) or to the author directly (JIMMIE GOODWIN <jimmiecg@prodigy.net>). It would be much appreciated. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:28, 27 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== J. Gregory Keyes ==<br />
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Hello, I accepted your edit. When you have a proposal such as this one (the change of the cannonical name), instead of burying it in a moderator note, post on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal Community Portal] so people can chime in. I do agree that this one needs reversal so [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#J._Gregory_Keyes_canonical_name_change I posted the proposal] and if there are no vigorous objections, I will get it reversed (it's not a 1 click change to say it mildly) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:22, 31 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Sturm über Tatooine ==<br />
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I just approved adding the stories in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507723 verified]. Feel free to look it over and submit any changes needed. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:55, 3 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing data in verified pubs ==<br />
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Hi. I have put your various Orbit -> Orbit (US) submissions, and the one submission adding contents to ''Honor Among Thieves'' on hold. I don't have any issue with the accuracy of the changes, but when changing data in a primary-verified publication, you should notify the verifier first -- leave a message on the verifier's talk page -- and only make the changes if they agree (or do not respond in a reasonable amount of time). It is often just a formality, but the process does uncover different editions and opportunities for further changes. I will drop some notes, so just keep this in mind for the future. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:29, 30 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry about the delay. I've accepted all of these now, having done the best I could with the verifiers. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:24, 9 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Covers variants and merges ==<br />
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As a rule, we do not do blind variants and merges for coverart -- varianting/merging coverart records here one of the involved records does not have an image (no URL in the publication). I approved the two Star Wars ones as I was able to find the appropriate printing online but in the future, before requesting a merge/variant, either add the cover first or edit the notes of the publication to point to the correct cover or add a moderator note with links and an explanation. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:57, 3 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Since I verified one of the publications without image, I didn't think it would be a problem. I should have made a note with the other one though. I'll keep it in mind. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 03:37, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Correct "Forgotten Realms" title series for the stories in The Halls of Stormweather ==<br />
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Hi, I've put several of your submissions on hold which want to set the title series to "Forgotten Realms Universe" for the titles contained in the {{P|41224|The Halls of Stormweather}} anthology. Shouldn't the series be the sub-series [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11367 Sembia] instead? See also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Forgotten_Realms_novels#Sembia:_Gateway_To_The_Realms Wikipedia]. Or do you have a data source with other information? Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 05:44, 2 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, making it part of the Sembia series seems to make sense. Please go ahead and change it to that. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 05:55, 2 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Ok, thanks. I made the changes. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 10:01, 2 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Tod eines Androiden / Murder at the Galactic Writers' Society ==<br />
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Hi, Just to assure you you did the right thing.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:37, 3 March 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Star Trek: Blutdurst ==<br />
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Hi, i've uploaded a cover scan to your pv'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506088 pub] of Star Trek "Blutdurst" and added notes for edition, translator and cover artist. Werner [[User:Welo|Welo]] 04:09, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Secondary Sourcing ==<br />
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When you are using a secondary source (i.e. data not from the pub itself) as you are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5030078 here], please add the source to the publication notes and not the moderator notes. That way all editors will be able to see. I have updated the pub notes for this one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:32, 11 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Rift ==<br />
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Do you have a word count and/or a source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5280871 this] being a novel and not a novella? We need to merge the two of them but trying to find out if the text is long enough to be a novel. Thanks! <br />
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PS: 1 novel won't make the work an omnibus - you need at least 2 for that. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:15, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:93000 words according to https://www.kobo.com/en/en/ebook/black-rift, and 300 pages in paperback, so definitely a novel. I was thinking omnibus because it has the novel and the contents of the first three anthologies in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42523 series]. But that's not that important, of course. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 06:00, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Apparently I mispelled something - did not see it in Kobo yesterday. Approved and merged. <br />
:: If you want to make it an omnibus, you can - but that means we need to import the anthology titles themselves. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:14, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Erzählungen vom Dunkelelf ==<br />
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Hi, I'm approving your changes but would like to point out... the German edition has a preface to the stories as does the English original, you may want to add them.<br />
And if you find the time, please add the transliteration for the titles with the imfamous special characters. <br />
Thanks! John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 11:38, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I was only going by the sources I quoted, so I wasn't aware of the prefaces. I'm not in a hurry to add them - the stories are the important part, of course.<br />
:About the transliterations: I see you apparently already added them, but are they supposed to be used like that? The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditTitle#Transliterated_Title hint] says they are for non-Latin alphabets only. Umlauts may be strange to non-German speakers, but it's still a Latin alphabet :-) [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 17:50, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking Awards ==<br />
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When there is an untitled award [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?72291 like this], you do not need to create a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5346387 new award]. Select 'Link Award' from the 'Edit Tools' menu and enter the title record number (3049852 for this one). This avoids having to delete the old untitled records. Sometimes there is important information in the notes field that would then be lost. I changed one, but if there are more in the queue, please correct them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:50, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I didn't realise you could click on the number to get to the award details. Thank you! I'll keep this in mind. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 18:13, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek VI ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506118; I added Open Library cover. EDIT: I just noticed something now that my edit's been approved. I must have been sleepy when I made it because there's an earlier Heyne printing with the same cover, but looking more closely there's something in the upper right that has a 4 on it. I'm not familiar with German Heyne editions, so is that how they differ printings, by adding a number on the cover, or is that a totally coincidental sticker or something that has nothing to do with the printing? If the latter is the case I should probably delete the cover I added because there's no proof it's actually the 4th printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:58, 17 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Very interesting. Looking at that cover, it looks like a “42" to me. And I am 99% certain that my copy did not have that number, but I don't have it anymore. A quick eBay search turned up a copy that was a later printing than mine (due to increased cover price) and it didn't have that number either. Looking at a list of Star Trek books at [https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/de/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series_(Romane) German Memory Alpha], it seems that Heyne numbered their releases and the 42 matches Star Trek VI. It looks to me Heyne added the series numbering to the book covers at some point, but not until the 6th printing of ST VI at the earliest. So, yes the image should probably removed from this particular printing. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 05:56, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A note on title series ==<br />
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Hello. I've approved your submissions to add the contents of each anthology in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20393 War Years] series in their own, individual subseries. While not wrong per-se, it serves no purpose as it is clear that all stories belong together - they are already bundled together in these ANTHOLOGIES after all - so should be avoided. Can you clarify why you wished to create these subseries? (PS. you'd still need to make the new series subseries of the 'The War Years' main series) Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:27, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:It is clear the stories belong together when looking at the anthology contents, but it's not clear that they are part of a series when browsing an author's page. That was my motivation - seeing that a story by an author is part of a series, not a standalone. For the PS - I'm not certain the new series need to be subseries of 'The War Years' since it seems the three series are unrelated in setting, i.e. the anthology series is one of theme, not of setting. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 08:51, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I can see where you're coming from. While still not a fan of this approach, I can live with it ;) On the subseries thinghy - why would the ANTHOLOGIES be allowed be tied together on theme, but not the individual stories? I'm by no means an expert, but either I'd allow it, or I'd remove the 'War Years' title series altogether too. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:11, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) ==<br />
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Hi, by chance I stumbled across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2231009 Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) by James S. A. Correy] just now. As far as I can tell, it's been in the database for several years, but you - probably coincidentally? - made [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5585471 an edit to add the series] just over a month ago. Do you know any more about this story? I'm a bit dubious that the publisher got both the author name (Correy/Corey) and title (Awakes/Wakes) wrong, and suspect the person who added them - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3517921 here, I think?] - made transcription errors.<br />
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I suspect you probably don't know any more than me about this, but given that the publication that contains this story is PVed (by an inactive editor), I thought I'd just check with you just in case you know more about it. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:19, 31 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct, I don't know any more than you do. I also assume it's a transcription error. I added the story to the series so it becomes more visible, so that maybe some who has access to that publication can make another attempt at verification. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 09:19, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks - I'll post a talk item on the community page to see whether people think the best action is to fix the errors, or variant the records to the correct ones. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:00, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pratchett's Eric ==<br />
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There have been [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Pratchett.27s_Eric_-_converting_into_novella.3F no objections on the Community Portal]. Please go ahead and make the changes. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:37, 24 January 2024 (EST) <br />
: I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5879378 your submission] changing the canonical title. I went ahead and changed all the variants. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832 Eric]. Now change the appropriate pubs to CHAPBOOK. Don't forget the translations. Let me know when you submit them and I'll approve them right away. Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: If I knew you were going to add [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?996388 this one], I would not have changed the date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1895758 here]. I'll watch for the import submission. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:41, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== To the Stars ==<br />
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A few quick notes about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993774 this one]:<br />
* We don't use the series name as part of a title when the book has its own title. <br />
* I did a few capitalization fixes (watch out for them when adding stories) :) <br />
* Adding order (with the |numbers allows anthologies and collections contents not to jump around and to look as they are supposed to.<br />
Thanks for adding it! Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:29, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ''King Conan and the Stygian Queen'' ==<br />
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Hi. A question and some comments about your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5879401 proposed changes] to {{P|704996|King Conan and the Stygian Queen}}. I understand about the Jess Eden Thornton -> Jess Thornton change. That certainly looks correct. My question:<br />
:Why did you add the stories as credited only to Jess Thornton instead of as credited to both him and Robert E. Howard?<br />
My comments -- just for future reference --<br />
:(1) To change the long name in the main credit, you would just edit the name. That has to be done in two places, on the publication and on the linked title record. You can always edit the publication's credit in place. The title's credit is a little trickier. If the title's credit is incorrect everywhere it is used, then you can edit that in place as well; doing so will change it for all publications. If the title's credit is sometimes correct and sometimes incorrect, the title must not be changed in place (we don't want the change to apply everywhere). Instead, you first need to "unmerge" the publication's title from the title it shares with other publications, giving the publication its own copy that no other publication is using, then update that new title in place. If you had multiple publications needing the new title, you would have to repeat for each and then merge all the new duplicates. (There are some ways to do that more efficiently -- you might ask for help from a moderator if the need ever arises).<br />
:(2) The COLLECTION-vs.-ANTHOLOGY distinction is not based on the number of authors involved. Rather, it is based on whether all of the contained works have the same author credit. So if all of the stories are credited to both Howard and Thornton, we would use COLLECTION, but if some stories were credited to Howard and other stories to Thornton, we would use ANTHOLOGY.<br />
:(3) If you change a publication's type, do not forget that the paired title record's type needs to be changed, too, or you need to add a new content record of the same type.<br />
No need to redo or change anything. Once I understand what the story credits should be, I will take care of any additional fix-ups to keep everything consistent. Thanks --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:22, 10 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Frink&diff=681565
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:48, 1 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Vorpal Glass, December 1960 ==<br />
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I have accepted your addition of {{P|951810|Vorpal Glass, December 1960}}, but made the following changes:<br />
*Added the issue date to the title.<br />
*Set the format to quarto as scans look like standard 8.5x11 pages.<br />
*Changed the webpage link to be the specific issue.<br />
*Added notes.<br />
*Added contents.<br />
*Added a local cover image.<br />
I'm assuming you will add the other issues. If you need help, let me know. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:52, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you! I was unsure about some particular details of formatting, so having that fixed is a great help and I shall try to follow your layout.<br />
:Yes, I intend to add the remaining issues soon. --[[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 10:56, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Vorpal Glass, June 1961 ==<br />
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Hi, are You shure the name of the author in Your primary verified publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?957480 here] is really "William Rostler" and not [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?111 William Rotsler] ? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 11:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, for... I can't *believe* I didn't catch that. Thank you! Correction submitted and I'll watch for it with the next issues I put in. [[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 20:00, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fermi's Question ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your {{P|959541|Fermi's Question}} submission but made two small changes:<br />
# We do not have permission to link to images on baen.com, so I switched to a URL on Amazon, where we do have permission (see [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Image_URL]]).<br />
# For unpaginated ebooks, we record the print-equivalent page length in the notes instead of in the Pages field, so I moved the 375 to the notes.<br />
Just minor things to keep in mind for future submissions. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:00, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If You use the Editing Tool 'Check for Duplicate Titles', You can see the 'Duplicate Finder' for to merge the identic titles. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 06:51, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
Thank you both, noted for future reference! [[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]]) 20:03, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Vorpal Glass, September 1961 ==<br />
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If a mod drops by, two notes about this submission:<br />
#Obvious typo in Margaret St. Clair's name<br />
#Sorry about the link to fanac; didn't realize (or remember) that wasn't an acceptable source for cover images. Noted for future. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Frink|Frink]] ([[User talk:Frink|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Frink|contribs]]) .</small> 03:32, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introductions in ''Top Science Fiction'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission adding the introductions to {{P|270633|Top Science Fiction: The Authors' Choice}}, but I made a couple of changes I wanted you to be aware of:<br />
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* Except in the rare case of an in-universe, fictional "introduction" (e.g., purportedly written by a character in the book or some fictional entity), introductions should be type ESSAY (which we use for all short non-fiction/non-poem), not SHORTFICTION. So I converted those.<br />
* According to the book's introduction, the authors wrote those introductions for their submissions to this anthology. They are not introductions that appeared with the stories when they were first published. So I changed the dates on them to be the anthology's original publication date.<br />
* There is a feature that allows you to control how the ISFDB's contents list is sorted, regardless of the visible page number. You do that by adding "|<sort key>" to the page number (or even by having that alone when there is no page number). That sort key is used to do the ordering but is not displayed. For example, if you have two works appearing on page 10, you can use "10|10.1" for the one that should be listed first and "10|10.2" for the one that should be listed second. The generated TOC will show "10" as the page number for both, but the one tagged with "|10.1" will be listed before the one tagged with "|10.2". I applied that to make introduction be listed before the introduced story.<br />
* Very minor: I changed "Introduction" to "introduction". We use lower case for the disambiguation text unless it is a title in its own right.<br />
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I also imported all of that into the {{P|290311|hardcover}}. Please review and fix anything that does not look right. If you have the book, consider making yourself a primary verifier ("Verify This Pub" in the Editing Tools menu at the left when you are viewing the publication record).<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vorpal Glass, September and June 1961 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I approved that one and did a few edits:<br />
* Capitalization - we follow our house rules.<br />
* Same named essays across issues need differentiation. <br />
* Interiorart naming - same titles cannot exist in the same issue so we use [2] and so on; and unnamed pieces get their names from the work book/magazine title.<br />
The result is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?994890 here]. Let me know if you have any questions, thanks for adding it and sorry for the long delay in approving it! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:40, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: And I saw your earlier note - all clear in there. Meanwhile I also made similar changes to the previously approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?957480 June 1961].<br />
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== "Afterthoughts" ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission correcting "Afterthoughts" in {{P|273292|Three Books of Known Space}}. I summarized the information from your note to the moderator in both "Afterthoughts" titles. Where we have titles that are likely to be the same from one book to the next but over different works (very common examples are "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", ...), we include the publication's title in parentheses to disambiguate. Whoever originally entered the "Afterthoughts" for ''Tales of Known Space'' already considered that to be in the same category and had included "(Tales of Known Space)". I altered the new "Afterthoughts" you provided along similar lines, adding "(Three Books of Known Space)". See this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?131962 original] and this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3291290 new one].<br />
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If you have copies of either of {{T|31069|Tales of Known Space}} or {{T|924824|Three Books of Known Space}}, I encourage you to do a Primary Verification of the records for publications you have or make new, verified records if you have different printings than those already recorded. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:53, 10 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Community_Portal&diff=681564
ISFDB:Community Portal
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== PVR ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rageot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brad Steiger Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, titles are dated per first appearance of that form of the title. Updates made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon WEBP Images ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=w%2Fwebp&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; After I replaced one a few days ago and another one today I did a search and it seems most (all?) of the images with the weird URL Amazon switched to for a while are now broken. Is there a batch fix or will they have to be changed one by one (there's several hundred)? Most are not PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I'm sure you've already got something that could be repurposed for this, but if not:<br />
:: https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py<br />
:: You would need to update get_bad_pub_records() to pick up the affected records - plus any additional check to not pick up verified pubs - and the regex to fix them in the first line of generate_pubdate_imagefix()<br />
:: Then 'uncomment' the PUB_COVER_EDITS code in the __main__ section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:01, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: There have been quite a few scripts to mass change URL structures over the years, e.g. [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/scripts/amazon_urls_to_https.py this one from 2022]. I plan to use it as a template later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_image&O_1=contains&TERM_1=m.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FW&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. I added an image to Maxwell Alexander Drake's record and of the 4 images on his Amazon page (I think at least some people must be aware by now that only certain regional Amazon pages display all author images at the moment in the scroll bar or whatever it's called, Amazon.com and many others just show the main photo, and they seem to be getting fewer and fewer as time goes by; I find Amazon Canada and Amazon France are still good) 2 are WEBP and 2 are regular; it figures that the one I had to use wasn't as good as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome -- WEBP images converted ===<br />
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All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== St. Martin's The Light Fantastic ==<br />
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https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Untouched by Human Hands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: There is a price shown here: www.ebay.com/itm/115568098201 [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:07, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Faerie Tale ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added the BOMC edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?978095 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alan Burns ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Connecting books in an unnamed series ==<br />
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I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42997 Baba Yaga Universe]. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: This is only two books {{t|3244057|Domens dag}} and {{t|978127|Råttorna}}. Calling it a universe feels a bit like giving it more credit than it is due =) /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34751 this series]. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: If the two novels do share the same main character, there'd be the additional possibility to name the series after it, like it was done [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19161 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the ''title of the first novel'' suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is {{t|3244058|Råttorna}}. /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pied Pipers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Geta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Letter From A Teddy Bear On ? ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Varianted. Most common version used as parent per standard. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:26, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Who Is Lewis Pinder? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request to add German fantastic literature price: ==<br />
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Hi all, <br />
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after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:<br />
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Translation: The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.<br />
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Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html<br />
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Forgot to sign it: [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I do think it should be perfectly eligible. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I agree that it appears to be eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?115 new Award Type] and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pro Se ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyrano and Jules Verne ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from ''From the Earth to the Moon'' by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bellows ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bizarrocast ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_webpage&O_1=contains&TERM_1=bizarrocast&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_copyright&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book storage and moving boxes ==<br />
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When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodlust and Fangers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark Powers - two different people ==<br />
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Currently for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22424 this author] we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics. I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: [https://www.theshawagency.co.uk/mark-powers here] is the agency page for the former, and [https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Mark-Powers/202304451 here] a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.<br />
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Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. [https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Powers This] is a page showing a pic of the ''Dresden'' comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: The Dresden Files comics should now all be switched over to the new author record. Thanks for confirmation! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:59, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twitter changed to "X/Twitter" ==<br />
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I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Darrell Awards ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Frontier Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The German translation states Boris Vallejo as cover artist on the copyright page. But, i wouldn't take this as given for every other release without another source to verify. At the time the german publishers weren't the reliablest for infos on the copyright pages, they had sometimes wrong infos (copied from previous pubs, but not correct). I've stumbled over a few wrong ones over time. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 12:31, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFWA Bulletin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book of Ballads Dates ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lecrivain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ormazoids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Patterns of the Fantastic II ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page date is on a sticker that has been applied after printing. That sticker also has "Borgo Press". So it could be Borgo was selling copies for Starmont House or they made a photographic reprint and stuck their sticker on it. May 1985 is the date Locus1 has so that might have been the source for the {{P|287993|ISFDB record}}. Rtrace has secondary verified it with Clute/Nicholls and Reginald3. I will ping him to see if either of those might has some info to shed light on the situation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Neither {{Reginald3}} nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo. The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. {{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the 1984 date. {{P|320234|BP 300}} has 1985. This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates. Also from ''BP 300'', Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991. If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV). With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont. Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock. Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I made the following changes:<br />
:::*Updated the Starmont House editions with the stated publication date as per ISFDB standards. I also included a pub note on the secondary source dates and a statement that it was likely not out until after the stated publication date.<br />
:::*Cloned an undated Borgo Press edition with a statement regarding Borgo Press buying Starmont House backstock & the uncertainty of the Roman numeral date's meaning.<br />
:::*Added the contents.<br />
:::--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ASIN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441; Clicking US ASIN leads to a different magazine; I don't know if that happens often or not but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There are two ISFDB records sharing the same ASIN, "B0CDQWPL1Z":<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441 Dark Hall Press Cosmic Horror Anthology]<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966438 Savage Realms Monthly, August 2023]<br />
: Their respective Edit Histories show that the 2 pubs were manually entered by the same editor on the same day. Most likely it was a copy-and-paste error. I have corrected the erroneous ASIN; thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:17, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Salt Is Not For Slaves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=salt+is&type=All+Titles; I can't find a copy of 1931 Ghost Stories issue where it says E. W. supposedly, can confirm it's G. W. in Book of the Living Dead (added link in a PENDING edit from OL-only no-search copy). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rustin Parr ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Khaw & Kadrey's ''The Dead Take the A Train'' ==<br />
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Re. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3070028 this title], I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Would it not be better to make [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date the pub date 8888-00-00], rather than deleting the record? That way the ISBN is still in the database in case anyone else tries adding it in future? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:36, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, that sounds sensible. Done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ayaz daryl nielsen ==<br />
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Are there any objections to using lowercase for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162023 Ayaz Daryl Nielsen]. I have never seen him credited any other way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hearing no objections, the change has been made. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:31, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eichner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=m.+eichner&type=Name; While adding links and other stuff to E. Everett Evans books I noticed Eichner shows up twice as an illustrator and I assume those are the same people which would mean a variant is needed. Also, Eichner's birth date is off by 10 days from Wikipedia and most sites seem to agree it's 9, not 19, so the day may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disabling the Synopsis field for Variant Titles ==<br />
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Back in April 2022 "Make This a Variant Title" [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 was modified] to move VTs' Synopsis data to their parent titles. A new cleanup report, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 Variant Title with Synopsis Data], was created at the same time.<br />
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The original plan was to:<br />
* clean up any titles found by this cleanup report (1,600+ at the time)<br />
* confirm that there were no scenarios where a VT needed to have Synopsis data<br />
* change "Edit Title" to disable the Synopsis field for VTs<br />
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The first step was never completed, so the process stalled. I have now processed/corrected around 50 (out of 1546) affected title record. It is as we suspected. Most just needed their synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles. Some needed two synopsis entries reconciled. A few were in error, e.g. there was Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa. A few Synopsis values were using a language other than English, which is explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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Based on the above, I think it's safe to change the software to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. If there are no objections, I plan to work on it over the next few days. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Will this block adding a synopsis to a serial title? In at least [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 this case], each of the serial titles is a separate novella that could justifiably have its own synopsis. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:57, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right, the proposed change would prevent Synopsis values from being added to SERIAL titles. I don't think it should cause significant issues since semi-standalone SERIALs are rare and could be handled the way we handled {{A|George Lowther}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16699 ''Superman'']:<br />
::* Chapters 1-2 describe Superman's planet of origin, Krypton. Chapters 3-5 deal with Clark Kent's childhood with his adoptive parents. In chapter 6, Clark goes to Metropolis and gets a job with the Daily Planet. The remaining eleven chapters deal with a mystery involving ghost ships and Nazi spies.<br />
:: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::That's what I thought. Hmmm. I don't think that would work in the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 Last Stand] since each of the installments (Episodes) are approx. 20,000 word novellas which have differing focus characters within the pseudo-TV series framework and the summaries should be more than a couple of words each. I'm not convinced it is truly a serial anyway. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod Anniemod] set this up initially and I've been following suit since. I could just as well see this as a series called <i>Last Stand</i> with the individual novellas as normal Chapbooks/Shortfiction titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:52, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: If they have different focus characters and different plots requiring different synopses, then I agree that they sound more like linked stories than a serialization. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I'm the only PV for these. On deeper examination, I believe they are linked stories, not serials. I'm going toss a note to Annie and then convert these from serials to shortfiction, unvarianting the titles, and grouping them under the series <i>Last Stand</i>. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome: Software has been changed ===<br />
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Hearing no further objections, I have changed "Edit Title" to disallow entering Synopsis data for variant titles. [[Template:TitleFields:Synopsis]] has been updated as follows:<br />
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* A synopsis can only be entered for canonical titles. The software won't let you add a Synopsis to a variant title.<br />
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If you come across any issues, please let me know. All that's left is cleaning up the remaining 1400+ VTs which still have Synopsis values. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There was a minor bug in the associated cleanup report. It was causing three valid title records to appear on the report. The bug has been fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nightly cleanup reports fixed ==<br />
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It turns out that the recent addition of a Notes template with an apostrophe in its name -- [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields "Achevé D’Imprimer"] -- broke the automated nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. The software was fixed a few minutes ago and everything should be back to normal tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New superseries for Glynn Stewart's Castle Federation ==<br />
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Would anyone object if I create a new superseries named <i>Castle Federation Universe</i> which would have the existing series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42767 Castle Federation] as subseries #1 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?65374 Dakotan Confederacy] as subseries #2? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:14, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No objection -- book covers and Goodreads reviews confirm it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:09, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Julie Novakova/Nováková ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?195102 The page for this author] has "Novakova" in her name, and states '''uses accentless spelling of her surname for foreign publications.'''. However I just checked [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ship-Whisperer-Julie-Nováková-ebook/dp/B08F3S7J9L/ her collection] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosetta-Archive-Notable-Speculative-Translation/dp/195106402X an anthology she contributed a story to], and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Beyond-Us-Original-Anthology-ebook/dp/B0BNZ7M4F7/ an anthology she co-edited], and all use "Nováková". I assume these should at least be a variant, but I don't have the privileges to see who might have added that author note, in case they can shed any further light?<br />
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(Also, "foreign publications" seems a bit Anglocentric, especially in conjunction with a Czech author?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts of the Chit-Chat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869953; Contents #1, #4-7, #9, and #12 are not original; they're much older stories with at least one (Tatham) being under a different name (H. F. W.) and title ("Phonograph Bewitched"), plus a couple of authors that are not already on ISFDB (although J. K. Stephens may be James Stephens who is). If anyone owns this or knows where to get a look at the full text some fixing/merging is needed after determining what names and titles are actually used in it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best of John W. Campbell ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1212025; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link to '76 US PB and another edit adding month to intro but the afterword has a variant with neither having a month. PB doesn't actually say afterword on that essay's title page so this may be a false variant that needs merging into one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 4 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best New Romantic Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29658; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827168; Re: this series, I don't think #3 was ever published like a lot of announced Juno books. There's almost no info online, nobody ever entered contents, etc. I think it should get an unpublished date here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sanjulian ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914; Should this be changed to Sarjulian and made a variant of his parent name? Because it's supposed to be what's on the page, not what PV thinks it should be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dutch Plot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28987; '79 Plot doesn't belong with the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Very Special People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828417; A copy of the rare 1977 horror novel The Soul of Anna Klane was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year and I just came across it, it's a second impression so I cloned it, uploader messed up because the jacket is from an awesome book about circus people (or freaks as they were called back in the day) that anyone my age probably remembers reading or at least looking at the photos. Would anything by the author, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL529624A/Frederick_Drimmer, qualify to be on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is "Frederick Drimmer" the author of ''The Soul of Anna Klane''? The covers say the author is Terrel Miedaner. The only one from the list of Frederick Drimmer's works that looks like it might be includable is ''The Body Snatchers'', but it depends on what it's about. All his other works seem to be nonfiction about non-genre topics. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Other works by Miedaner that might be includable include [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181242.The_Mind_s_I ''The Mind's I'', in which he has a story or essay (not sure which as the book contains both). It has a work by Stanislaw Lem in it. I couldn't find anything else by Miedaner that could be included. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Miedaner wrote the novel, Drimmer wrote dozens of non-fiction books including some about genre-related topics that I thought might qualify. Maybe someone will find one or two with something in them that can be entered. The novel seems to have had a lot of other editions not on ISFDB including some foreign editions with weird covers so maybe someone fluent could enter those. Also, the Mind's I book you mentioned is on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=terrel+miedaner, in case you think that qualifies to be entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gary Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87741; The author of None Dare... died long before the other works on his page were written so obviously by a different Allen; he has his own Wikipedia. However, I don't think there should be a variant but rather the novel removed because it's not really a novel, it's an anti-Communist diatribe by a member of the John Birch Society that's been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Book has been deleted. Clear nongenre, nonfiction by a different author than the speculative fiction Gary Allen. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL103175W/Twice_twenty-two?edition=key%3A/books/OL26558953M; 2 copies, one searchable and one not, searchable one has a gutter code on p. 405, "03 N", which is not in the book club edition's note about gutter codes on ISFDB. Non-searchable one has no code. So if anyone knows how to identify dates from the code they may want to enter at least the copy that has a code. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Schrecksekunden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404; Does anyone recognize the cover I added? I'm almost sure I've seen it before on an English-language book; if so, artist is likely on ISFDB for that and can be added to this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:https://www.michaelwhelan.com/galleries/emergence/ and that conveniently also has [https://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/fromtheheartofdarkness-cover.jpg From the Heart of Darkness cover]. Looks like we have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1727716 this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:05, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The PV of the affected pub is active and a moderator, so I pointed him at this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:10, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::The cover of [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404 Schrecksekunden]] is correct. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Submission approved. Cover credit added to Schrecksekunden with a publication note specifying the secondary source & new cover art record varianted to the prior one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:19, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aiken's World Well Lost ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915733; I don't think Joan published a book with this title but rather it was her brother, John, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135, so Joan's record for that book should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:24, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pan Mystery Walk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556649; Someone just uploaded a foreign cover for Baal, one of Robert R. McCammon's novels, which led me to do some edits for other of his books (there's a lot left to do even though I've done many previously). There's a $75 Subterranean Press signed limited edition of The Night Boat which has been on Archive.org since April of last year which I somehow never noticed before so I added a link to that but the Pan edition of Mystery Walk only has a 2nd printing uploaded; the question is whether the 1st printing also says Stephen Crisp on back cover instead of Steve Crisp, which is what's on ISFDB. So if anyone owns a 1st printing (I don't see anything online except 1 eBay auction where they took photos of everything EXCEPT the copyright page) and it says Stephen then that needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== International Polygonics Edition of Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20274; I've made a few edits for this before but noticed today a copy was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year so I added a link, replaced postage stamp-sized Amazon cover with their cover, and added LCCN (their site screwed up entering the title). However, the copy has a big thick sticker obscuring the cover art credit on the back; it seems to start with Kev so probably Kevin; no other books on ISFDB from the publisher have that in the artist's name so if anyone has/can find a copy can you let us know what the artist's name is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brennan's Riddle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308567; Been doing some Joseph Payne Brennan edits and this one is odd; there's no content. Is it possible that it contains his 1964 poem "Riddle"? It's likely not a collection but a chapbook or something similar. I added cover image and FantLab ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dedications in Poems ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5817418 this submission] to alter the title of {{T|1337626|this poem}} based on [https://www.sfpoetry.com/sl/edchoice/34.2-2.html this web page] from the magazine's web site. My question is whether "(For Edgar Allen Poe)" should be considered as part of the subtitle, or whether that is a separate dedication that should not be included in the title field. If we go with the latter, it could be added to the notes. My recollection is that poems occasionally have "For XXX" listed in a smaller typeface under the title though usually without the parenthesis. I don't think we usually include these as part of the title field. How do other folks feel about this. If there is disagreement, we can move this to the rules and standards page. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Personally, I wouldn't include this as part of the title. It is somewhat similar to the way some sources treat additional information, for example for series - like in The Death of a Hero (Star Wars), and it ''is'' a dedication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Dedications are a common occurrence, I never include them in the title. If someone wishes to put then in the note section, I would not object. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:25, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Hearing no differing opinions, I will reject the edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:08, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pocket Pulse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269828; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251391; Should these very old entries by the late PV be changed to Pocket Pulse as the publisher so they merge with all the many others on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Martha Wells / All Systems Red - Code P1 ==<br />
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Some copies of the original tp of All Systems Red have a code "P1" underneath "First Edition: May 2017" on the copyright page. Other copies have no code; the corresponding area is blank. Does anyone know the meaning of this code? Some online booksellers says this code denotes the first printing (or first state of first printing) but this seems to be their opinion. Is there any independent, documented, verifiable evidence of its meaning? Secondly, how should this be recorded in the ISFDb? We have two records: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723225 PoD] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608522 non-PoD]. Should I create a new pub record for the P1 code version or should I just add a pub note to an existing record stating that some copies have this code? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rich Grote ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176753; I added, in a PENDING edit, archived site (online now is dead) richgrote.com and Behance page and wickedlocal.com article which revealed he's from New Jersey. There is a Rick Grote credit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112933, but his bio at various sites online says he started in 1976 while this book is from 1975. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?123700, where one actually says Grote in the book while the other was not named but editor entered it from cover signature. So if anyone can say for sure that Grote or Rick Grote are Rich Grote then those can be made variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ash of Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102752; I was doing a bunch of James Sallis edits recently (links to several short stories, archived link to Shores Beneath, adding a massive collection from 2007 titled Potato Tree) and noticed this book about Delany. I don't do many edits for Delany because I can't stand him personally but I'm sure many people here like his work so I'll mention that the copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=sallis+delany, the copy on Amazon.com and the copy on Google Books all have the same ISBN on back cover with the barcode saying 53950 which means price is $39.50 but ISFDB says $42.50. Also, ISBN is for HC supposedly but archived copy looks like TP to me. So if anyone wants to add a link to the copy and fill in anything else or change anything, please feel free. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Scheduled server maintenance - 3pm 2023-12-15 ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for scheduled maintenance between 3pm and roughly 3:10pm server (EST) time on 2023-12-15 (today). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. Thank you for your patience. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:08, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brian Keith Evenson = Brian Evenson? ==<br />
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Any thoughts/objections on making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224599 Brian Keith Evenson] a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?6382 Brian Evenson]? The former has just 2 pieces of short fiction in 1986 and 1989 (both with difficult to Google titles), which slightly predates the earliest work of the latter. Howevever (a) "K." is listed as the middle initial of the legal name of "Brian Evenson" (with [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/evenson_brian SFE] saying this it is "Keith"), and (b) the 1989 story was published by Brigham University, which Wikipedia says is where Brian Evenson got a degree and was later employed. Evenson's site doesn't have any detailed bibliography that might help clarify those two early stories are his. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The source given for {{P|654878|The Leading Edge, September 1989}} is FictionMags Index. Checking them, they have these as the same author. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:50, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks - I've now set up variants/alternates for the author and two title records. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Valiant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982255; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836070; Added a few archived links to some of Roland Green's Conan novels, went backwards so first novel was looked at last, it already had a link added by someone last year, as can be seen in my edit above the cover is not the same as the later editions, any Ken W. Kelly experts who know his style can say if both are his work in which case art needs unmerging or if Tor mistakenly carried over Kelly's credit for the later art by someone else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== F. Piatti ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=co+piatti&type=Name; 2 credits for each, one should be parent assuming credits are correct; maybe they're all really spelled the same and someone just entered one or the other name wrong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:38, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for this find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:36, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Abridged editions? ==<br />
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Do we include abridged editions? I know we don't include dramatizations but the help doesn't seem to say anything about abridged editions. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:02, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure we do! It's possible to add them to the general title (and add a note to the publication), or if the abridgement does alter the story in a major way to add it as a variant, or if another hand is credited for the abridgement to add it as a stand-alone title, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2918952 this title]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:44, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification. I've started to run across a number of audio items that have abridged versions but haven't been sure if I should add them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I have been told that abridgements are certainly accepted, but that they are never added as variants. How to deal properly with them was incorporated when dealing with translations, which are made variants but the difference in language makes it possible to distinguish them from name/author variations. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:39, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: That's certainly true for audio versions/readings: here it is quite a regular case that they are abridged, so they should just be added with a note under the respective title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:33, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Abridged editions are included. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_.22Portions_of_this_story_originally_appeared_in....22.3F FAQ says]:<br />
* If an individual story is rewritten or revised, then we create a Variant Title for it and add the nature of the changes, e.g. "expanded", "abridged" or "restored", in the Notes section. Please note that these conventions are likely to change in the foreseeable future as we beef up our software in this area. <br />
: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Feature:90155_Add_an_optional_%22nature_of_the_relationship%22_field_to_the_Make_Variant_screen original Feature Request to change the software] to display "relationships" between titles was created back in 2008, but it hasn't been implemented yet.<br />
: Of course, when dealing with drastically changed titles, e.g. novels reduced to excerpts or short stories expanded to novel length, we create separate title records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: To the original question - abridgements are in. I am questioning the varianting advice. I also once noted the lack of documentation on abridgements specifically. The original place I was told not to variant abridgements was in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive46#Abridgements this] conversation. The argument was that variants were for title / author variations or translations as a special case due to limitations in the software. Only one moderator said so, but no one contradicted, so have been going by this since. There were [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_25#variant_or_independent_work.3F earlier] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements later] discussions (I doubt I found them all) with varying degrees of agreement but no resolution. <br />
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:: And the FAQ reference above was answering a question about portions of a story appearing earlier in a novel that is expanded or created from a series of shorter stories. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant HELP on variants] says at the beginning that they are only for title and author variations, but later talks about how to deal with translations (with a link to how-to details). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant]] says:<br />
:::* Two title records are variants if they are in fact the same story, but have either a different title, or use alternate names for the author.<br />
::: Translations are effectively "the same story" for our purposes, but I agree that it's not made clear in the statement above. We should probably update it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:16, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It sounds like abridgements should not be varianted. But there's no help on how to document the relationship to the original - be it in the Notes or a linking template. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I'm following this closely since most audio abridgements are significantly shorter than their unabridged brethren (should they exist for comparison). Often 2-3 hours compared to 8+ hours. The source novel is often in the 270 page range. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I would expect a version that contains only 25-33% of the original material to be considered a separate derivative work. Kind of like {{A|E. Nesbit}}'s juvenile adaptations of {{A|William Shakespeare}}'s works are listed as separate works with the word "(abridged)" appended to the end of the title: "A Midsummer Night's Dream (abridged)", "The Tempest (abridged)", etc. Except, of course, there would be no additional co-author. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:52, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::To me, this makes the most sense. If it's significantly abridged, it should be a separate work (for example, I think the abridged audio releases of ''{{T|7577|The Courtship of Princess Leia}}'' should be separate as they are only 3 hours as opposed to the {{P|983542|unabridged version}} of 14 hours (finally being released in January)). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::Based on this guidance, the title above has now been split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7577 The Courtship of Princess Leia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3258106 The Courtship of Princess Leia (abridged)]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:02, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Présence du Futur ==<br />
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Ex-editor Hauck entered some entries in this endless French series but only basic info. I came across a manual which I added as a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837420, although I have no idea if it contains anything useful, then I entered several missing bits of info for Gravité à la manque from Open Library, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837421. I then came across a title with an actual copy, but rather than stumble my way through entering info from books in a language I'm not fluent in I'm just going to list this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22une+collection+d%27inedits+au+format+de+poche%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22inlibrary%22, so if anyone can find anything useful to enter from those they can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:34, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crash Override ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?659223; I added archived link and a few other things in a PENDING edit to the other book by the publisher, the novel The Secret. Publisher actually has no space between the 2 words in its name so I fixed that and then was going to check online to see if it was the same for this much later book but realized this probably shouldn't be here since it's not by a known author and it really has nothing to do with genre. So should it be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I was advised some time ago and it is my understanding that any works shortlisted for a genre award (in this case a Hugo) are considered in. This exception is called out in [[ISFDB:Policy|our policy page]] but only for online publications. Perhaps we should be more specific. Aside from that, my recollection from reading the book in 2018 is that it is chiefly about the Gamergate event which is tightly coupled with the Sad/Rabid Puppies movements. I don't recall how much Quinn went into the latter, but if at all, it would certainly qualify this as a book about speculative fiction. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:51, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK. It's PublicAffairs in Amazon look inside so I'm going to fix that so both books on ISFDB will be by the same publisher. EDIT: There's 1 archived copy which was uploaded in May, 2021 but wasn't added until January, 2023 (?!?) so I also added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Napoleon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?31091; I added archived links to Minstrel Boy and ...Overhead and fixed formats to TP for both; publisher was also changed to Napoleon Publishing for those 2 and ...Yard because Napoleon & Company, as explained on the copyright pages, is a parent company and Publishing is the actual imprint. The problem now is the 2 e-book Gargoyle editions don't actually show a copyright page on Amazon and, more importantly, Time Thief's beautiful Napoleon cover is nowhere online and ISBN defaults to the Dundurn Press edition's less beautiful cover. Looking at Dundurn's Wiki page they bought Napoleon in 2011 which makes sense because Blogspot page linked in Napoleon's record on ISFDB ends in February, 2011, a month before their Time Thief edition was supposedly published. So maybe someone can say whether Time Thief Napoleon edition should get an unpublished date of 8888-88-88 and whether that and the 2 e-books should have their publisher changed to Napoleon Publishing just to keep everything together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== John Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186482; Likely 3 or 4 different authors on the same page in case anyone can find info to separate some or all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I split the entry into three. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stateham Banners ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3575; Archived copy uploaded in 2020 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; note about frontispiece is wrong as it is credited on copyright page (an editor of Canadian edition noted this correctly) so maybe one of the active editors (Willem, GlennMcG, Spacecow) can fix note so it says the same as Canadian edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Speedy In OZ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366452; Oz fans, a request. I saw a lot of Oz edits in the queue recently and discovered many of R.P. Thompson's books were reprinted in PB in the eighties. I added archived links to the 4 I found but Speedy has a missing cover and most online ones are of the weird $19.00 reprint that nobody seems to know much about; the archived cover sucks because it has 3 huge stickers on the bottom obscuring things and a cover on Biblio.com is shot too far away, has a Barbed Wire Books business card in front of it, and has some plastic holder or something at the bottom of it. So if anyone can find a clear and clean cover, can you upload it? Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Dread ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22179; Year and subtitle (Allen, seen on sfpoetry.com) different than other ISFDB record; poem here, https://poetrynz.net/pdf/PNZ48.pdf, says Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:16, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Knock on Wood ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-04070-7+&type=ISBN; Cover says Vornholt; why is Friesner credited for the same book? EDIT: Also Witchopoly, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-02806-5&type=ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted the two Friesner ones. All reliable sources show these two ISBNs as by Vornholt which matches cover. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Yesterday We Saw Mermaids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55736; Cover is the Tor edition but it's on the Wiki so the Pan cover would need uploading to replace it; problem is I can't find it because all eBay copies are Tor. So either it's rare or vaporware. Help, if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:00, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Finding forgotten horror story ==<br />
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Hi, all. I hope you all had merry Christmases (if you celebrate). <br />
Someone on Goodreads is trying to find a horror story he or she read in the '70s about gentle hand-shaped creatures who live in a forest near a town or village. But then several people are found strangled with hand-shaped bruises on their throats. (Spoilers ahead.) <br />
The creatures are rounded up and killed. But the killings continue, and the townspeople realize the creatures were all shaped like left hands, while the bruises on throats are from a right hand (or vice versa).<br />
Does this story sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 01:40, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sidgwick & Jackson Prices ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5843103; I was looking at the Science Fiction Specials (added a couple more links because a few of them were hiding on Archive.org using a title of one of the contents instead of the overall title) and also am adding links and other stuff to books from the publisher by the authors in the Specials. I've noticed their prices on the front flaps are a mess with some being old pre-decimal prices and others being stickered with decimal prices. In this Asimov case you can see a pre-decimal price under the sticker that looks like 35s to me but I can't find any copies online that show the flap. So if anyone knows what the original price was, thinks it should be cloned, etc. let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Silverberg and Neverness ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#The_Time_Travelers; Linking this here in case anyone else might own a copy of the Donald I. Fine edition of Neverness. Also, should we make the Silverberg thing a pub. series? There's got to be more than 2 books in it; Archive.org search isn't the most accurate and there could be books not archived that are part of the series. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have the Donald I. Fine 1st hc edition of Zindell's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23681 Neverness]. It does state "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" on rear flap and also "RS/SF" on spine of dj. I have also discovered that Sturgeon's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15623 Godbody] has the same features. Looks like a pub series to me, even if it didn't last very long and didn't have many books in it. I have Godbody so I will PV both these pubs and edit them to create and add the pub series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:40, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Great, thanks! A search for the exact series title on Google only finds the ISFDB record for Godbody and my message on the SFJuggler board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Where the Southern Cross the Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326635; Does anyone own the August 2002 issue of Locus? I added cover/interior artist and intro by S. R. Tem but I can't find the titles of the stories anywhere, 3 supposedly, and it was reviewed by Edward Bryant in that issue. Maybe he mentioned them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Ah ha, I recently added a link to 40+ years' worth of microfilmed Locus issues on Archive.org and vaguely remembered that I had asked about an issue of Locus recently. I checked that 2002 issue and yes, all 3 stories were mentioned. The one original, "Black Angel Blues", doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere at all online (until now). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:46, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Siergiejew ==<br />
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https://readfrom.net/michael-aronovitz/364512-the_voices_in_our_heads.html; It's Marius Siergiejew in that link, no z in first name but also no "Noistromo", I checked Unlikely Entomology issue and it is Mariusz, so both should be variants assuming all the ones under Marius "Noistromo" actually have the correct name entered; now that the link above shows there's at least one with just Marius maybe that should become the parent after name is fixed and the nickname should be the variant. I added a Blogspot link to the Marius record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:47, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Alternate name created. I would not consider that site reliable enough to change a verified pub. Unfortunately, the verifier is no longer active so we will have to wait for someone else to re-verify it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Webs of Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?54122; Does anyone think the replacement cover I used is better than the old one? Mod didn't agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the overall quality (= colour likeness) seemed better with the amazon source, ''and'' I do assume that this source will be more stable than Fantlab (and presumably that's the line of thought Chris_J also tended towards). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:26, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::I guess; anyway, my replacement cover will still be in edit history so that's something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:53, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fanni S. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fanni+s&type=Name; Probably the same person, maybe entries under the first name really don't have the special "u" or maybe editors didn't enter it that way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The three records with Suto all had Amazon Samples available which showed they should have been Sütő. Only one was verified and that verifier is showing as not active in several years. I made the changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora Effect ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45062; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit, do any of the active PV think an August month should be added to dates as notes say? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Tales of Action and Adventure ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5846199; Cover question about this '67 10th printing I just added. It says Richard Powers on copyright page but Robert Shore on back, Powers credit possibly left over from earlier printings? Should Shore be entered instead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:My copy doesn't have the credit to Shore on the back, but the cover is different than the Powers original. Seems like we should have a Richard Powers (in error) created as an alias to Shore. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 18:43, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Through the Budgerigar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925198; While adding LCCN to Jones novel Transplant I noticed this book was added not long ago and while SFE mentions it and even a cover artist there seems to be no evidence of a cover online; can anyone find one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== To the Sound of Freedom II==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#To_the_Sound_of_Freedom; I came across this record again today; should it get an all-8's date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HG Wells and His Critics ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=wells-and-his-critics; Anyone know a way to tell which of the 3 publishers these copies are from so I can add links? The USA one has no record; maybe it was never actually published by them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:38, 5 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Top Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=pachter-josh+top&sort=-addeddate; Someone added intros to this anthology recently, I added archived link long ago, just noticed a Spanish-language edition, La crema de la ciencia ficción, was upped to Archive.org in 2013 in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. EDIT: From the same publisher is La Crema del crimen, https://archive.org/search?query=crema-del-crimen, which includes a few stories from ISFDB judging by back cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I will add the Spanish one. What the heck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pachter ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1914279; Josh Pachter is credited as "with" on title page of 2015 English edition on Archive.org. Should he be added as co-author? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I didn't check the Archive.org copy, but the Look Inside on Amazon shows that "with" citation, but then on the copyright page it says the English translation is copyright 2015 Dhooge and Pachter. There is also a copyright 2014 for Dhooge and the original publisher. I interpret that to mean Pachter's role was (co-?)translator. I found Pachter's [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bibliography.html bibliography page], and this listed in the "Translations" section. But just to avoid having anything be too clear, he also has [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bib.styx.html this], where he talks about previously translating another Dhooge work and being asked to "collaborate on an American version" of this one. So does that mean this isn't a translation but is actually a major revision? Dunno. Given that Pachter only takes credit for translating it, I think noting him as translator and documenting the "with" citation and the copyright statements (could throw in the Pachter site references as a bonus) should be sufficient. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:30, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Gors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5851689; I was adding links and adding/fixing other stuff in some Gor editions, mostly UK Star PB, when I noticed an artist's signature for Players of Gor, Star edition, is on the cover but ISFDB had no credit. I tried several names I thought it could be and finally got Tony Masero who, as far as I can tell, is credited exactly once on the entire net for doing this cover, an AbeBooks/Biblio seller's description, but AbeBooks show the wrong (Daw Books) cover and Biblio's scan of the right cover is much too small to see the signature clearly. So I think I got a rare one. As can be seen here, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=exact&TERM_2=star&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=of+gor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], there are 5 other Star editions with no cover credit; if anyone can find a signature on any of them, beat me to it and enter them yourselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Night Mayor Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?474; I noticed that the cover art for the original UK HC and the US C&G HC, which is the same, is credited to 2 different artists here. It's easy to find photos of the back flap of US online which does say design by Roy Colmer but of the several eBay sellers who offer the UK none thought to show the back flap. There are many C&G Colmer design credits online so I'm thinking Kemp did the art and US just didn't credit him, only their designer. So should we make C&G artist Jon Kemp with a note about him not being credited? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44644 UK hc of Kim Newman / The Night Mayor]. The rear flap of the dust jacket states: "Jacket Illustration: Jon Kemp" and "Jacket Design: Bostock & Pollitt Ltd." [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:44, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey's Passing ==<br />
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I was saddened to read this morning of [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]'s passing in [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-10-24-tom-swift-and-his-scrolling-pixels/ File 770] (Number 7 in the Pixel Scroll). It was always a pleasure to work with him here and he will be missed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:49, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I replaced link on his page with an updated one; also, while adding a link to the issue of the zine, Aurora, where his Walton essays appeared I discovered that most issues of Aurora and its predecessor Janus are on Archive.org, he PV most (all?) of them, but some have full contents while others have nothing. I imported a few poems from Robert Frazier, Steven M. Tymon, etc. but there's a ton of other book reviews and articles and stuff for anyone who's interested. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Sad news indeed. He had a heart attack a few years ago and has been less active since then, but he was only 69, so it was unexpected. Thanks for updating his User and Talk pages. I have updated user rights on his account. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Rtrace, thanks for letting us all know. I echo your sentiments. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Barn Owl ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296; I made an edit for City of Hermits long ago and today added some more stuff; I think this Barn Owl is not the same as the other that published much later. Ann Jungman who wrote a few of the later ones has a Wiki page where it says she founded Barn Owl in 1999 so I think the 1983 one should get a USA or California or something added to it. Whoever wrote the note about Frances Lincoln here seems to have conflated the 2 publishers; the England location probably belongs with the later publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296 Barn Owl Books (UK)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?83339 Barn Owl Books (USA)] based on the ISBN's. I also updated the notes for Barn Owl Books (UK) based on [https://www.thebookseller.com/news/frances-lincoln-acquires-barn-owl this article]. When untangling publishers, the [https://grp.isbn-international.org/ Global Register of Publishers] can be of help. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pat Frank Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856366; I added cover image long ago; just came across archived copy which was there years before my edit so I'm not sure why I didn't add it back then but I did now and also added dash in title, H-Bomb, but I noticed there's another part of the title that people can't decide on. Mhhutchins entered it with 3 dots but title page has one GIANT dot while facing page has long dash and LOC/WorldCat has comma. So what's the consensus? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sue Robinson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16675; I added archived link and a few other things to the HC of Amendment; author is a respected American newsperson. She should be differed from the Australian author. 1992 story in Weird Tales may be by either of them or another person since there's no bio in that issue. Also, does anyone own Amendment PB? It has nice cover art but there's no back cover photo online where I assume the artist would be credited. I see some weird blocks in the lower right, P and another letter, maybe initials or maybe just part of the art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out ''The Amendment'' to {{A|Sue Robinson (I)|373246}}. The author blurb for ''The Amendment'' does not align with the bio for the more prominent newspaper reporter of the same name, nor does that person list ''The Amendment'' as one of their works on their personal or faculty website. So probably two different reporters with same name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:55, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Goodfellow ==<br />
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http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2; I added a few credits for this artist but the last one has me stumped because the 1992 edition had the same cover as the last image here, http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2, but that was wrong because archived copy has the same Posen cover as the later printing on ISFDB. Goodfellow cover has an M for Mammoth so was it an earlier or later edition and why can't I find the original Methuen cover anywhere? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== French Swastika ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857839; French speakers, I made my usual shaky attempt at entering a foreign-language edition but I felt a book of such fame probably deserved it; after approval if anyone cares to look it over I'm sure it can be improved. I also made a follow-up edit changing date of French variant to a year earlier to match the date of this book. Also, those Feminist Press editions, https://archive.org/search?query=swastika-night&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, are a mess, the one with the white cover matches the UK Lawrence & Wishart edition's cover but has the info of the '85 Feminist edition, while the other 2 with the face on the cover either a) have no price on the back and totally different back cover text but copyright page is the same or b) are a 4th printing from 2003, I think, with cover info on copyright page the '85 edition doesn't have and a missing back cover so no way to tell what was on there. If anyone cares to figure all that out. For some reason the French edition I mentioned above is in English according to Archive.org which is obviously wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== UK Omni ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition356174; I added archived links to the 6 volumes of Best of Omni and noticed FantLab has a photo of #6 with a UK price on it in case anyone knows more about that; maybe all 6 were published there but, if so, none are on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tiret-Bognet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bognet&type=Name; same Verne illustrator, same book in different languages, one should be parent and maybe some of the art needs merging, Holmesd worked on many of these Verne books so he'd probably know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-01-15 at 3pm EST ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-01-15 (today) between 3pm and 3:10pm EST. The database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:09, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:06, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Katerli ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=katerli&type=Name; I found a huge (380+ pages) thread on FantLab's message boards with people who have died, many of which were never entered on ISFDB (not all genre, though, some footballers and other non-genre people are included, too) and while adding many dates and photos I came across Katerli; I added Wiki link, day of death, and photo to Nina's record but is that other spelling the same person? If so, some variant would probably be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's very possible, given how things get romanized from Eastern European languages. Perhaps one of our Eastern European language people can do a little digging? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:30, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Looking into it a bit myself, I'm 100% sure they are the same person. Working on connecting them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:57, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Okay, everything is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373565 here], now. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for working on her stories. I have added dates and updated the author record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Terry Venables ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5861442; Is this the famous footballer (or soccer, as we Yanks call it)? There seem to be a lot of photos of him but some of them look like a different person so just making sure this is the right guy (he wrote some novels including Bornless Keeper which is on ISFDB but online info seems to suggest he didn't actually write any of it, Gordon Williams did). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, things like that do happen: there are several titles in the database for which it is doubtful if the featured prominent author did actually write them; and so, jugig from the photo and the theme of the listed title it is '''the''' Terry Venables. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can confirm that the photo in your submission is indeed of the English footballer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Venables Terry Venables]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Alchemy Magazine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?35135; Luminist.org has a lot of magazines not on Archive.org and while replacing cover and adding link to Alchemy #2 I noticed all 3 issues have a different format, TP/unknown/pulp. Those who know about such things may want to adjust those since I'm assuming they all should be the same format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Dinotopia Digest Novels ==<br />
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I just made about 20 edits for this series (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862661 through https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862859) and as usual with series books it's a nightmare; I think I did as much as I could with what's available (oddly, only 1 book, Survive!, didn't have its original Random House edition entered on ISFDB so I had to scrounge up a copy on Google Books to enter info from). I think only one thing may raise questions and that's this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2230051, where an editor here in 2017 entered James Gurney as cover artist but even though he's mentioned on all copyright pages because he's the creator/owner of Dinotopia it was actually Michael Welply who did all the covers. Problem is after I removed cover credit (I didn't enter Welply because while it does say that in archived 3rd printing copy there are some 1st printings of books in the series that misspelled it as Welpley and then corrected that in later printings) I noticed the nomination for best cover in the art record. So I don't know what to make of that; was Gurney nominated because he's the creator or did someone make a mistake and not nominate the real artist, Welply? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:58, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pratchett's Eric - converting into novella? ==<br />
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I did a word count on a digital version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832 Eric], and it's around 35000 words, i.e. clearly a novella. Comments on the title and various publication records point out how unusually short it is. [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b381.htm Locus] calls the first edition a novella, but later editions a novel. I think the novella classification is correct, but am hesitant in converting such a high-profile title. Any opinions? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 08:01, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: My electronic copy contains 34.2K words, so it's a novella. That said, I wonder about Locus changing its classification after the first edition. Is there any indication that later editions may have been longer? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:43, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I can find no indication of there being different editions of the text. I noticed however that after the original illustrated edition (which was billed "A Discworld Story"), it usually says "A Discworld Novel" on the covers, so Locus might have just gone with that. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: It sounds like it's a novella whose subtitle (but not the word count) was changed in later editions. I suggest we wait for other editors to share their thoughts before we change the type from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to The Illustrated Eric, 2010 Gollancz HC, so that may help with the counting; page count said 144 but it is actually 131. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have approved the submission that corrected the page count and updated the Note field to indicate where the corrected page count comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: (Chime) Not surprised, don't care, go ahead. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Hearing no objection, I have left a message on TerokNor's Talk page asking him to proceed with the proposed changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thank you. I have submitted the first edit to begin the process. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 05:19, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Late Mods ==<br />
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I had a thought while adding FantLab ID to a PV Brian Lumley book today; is there a way to remove the necessity of adding a note to the mod about what changes you made if the mod is deceased? There have been several mod losses recently, most of whom PV countless books, so it would save time to not have to write anything if the only PV's are ones who are not going to read those notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I think there are two sides to this issue.<br />
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: The first one is technical, i.e. whether it would be possible to modify the software to check each primary verifier's Talk page to see if it starts with the "Deceased user" template. The short answer is "Yes, it would be possible, although it would also make our core software more closely intertwined with the Wiki software, which may become a minor nuisance during the next Wiki upgrade".<br />
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: The second one is functional, i.e. whether making this kind of change would be desirable. I am not sure it would. It would save some keystrokes, but there is value to having more detailed Edit History for primary verified publications even if their verifiers are no longer available. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moll/Head Virgin Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864268; I added cover and prices but I think publisher should be changed to Wyndham, either Star or Tandem or Target which are all on ISFDB related to Wyndham, since their logo is on front and back covers, https://www.ebay.com/itm/143869122299. The other issue is the cover is the same Charles Moll art as earlier US paperbacks; Michael Head was a designer with 1 other ISFDB credit that notes say is just a photo and a Mike Head I noted in an edit earlier today as the designer for Piatkus edition of M. Bingley's Waiting Darkness did a cover which is just a photo of a fist. So where Head credit came from for Virgin Planet I don't know but I think Moll credit should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== One Hundred Years of Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864915; I'm guessing this Gollancz edition is rare judging by the fact there's almost no photos of the cover online. As can be seen in my edit, notes about year (probably very old and entered by the long-gone Bluesman) are obsolete now because the year is on the title page. Also, the price was entered by Mellotronman from his copy but for a 1969 UK book the pre-decimal price should be entered so that's what I did; problem is in his note to mod in edit history he says other price is 32s, not 30. So if he's still around he may want to PV and add a note about the alternate price (I'm assuming the archived copy's flap is badly framed which is why the other price is not visible) and delete year notes and add a new one saying the date is on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It doesn't help that two different printings share the same ISBN. Mine says 1970 on the front of the title page and 'second impression 1970' on the back of the same page. The price is most definitely listed on the dust jacket as '32s', an unusual way of writing 'shillings'. The more usual way would be '32/-'. Perhaps the first impression was 30s and the second 32? [[User:Mellotronman|Mellotronman]] ([[User talk:Mellotronman|talk]]) 16:55, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, I think it makes sense now, copy on Archive.org is '69 1st pr. with just s-price while your 1970 2nd pr. has both s-price and pounds. So after my edit is approved you may want to clone it and enter yours with new date and prices and PV it, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tom Palmer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?98449; 2 or 3 different Palmers here; novels are by the guy pictured but the art credits are by the recently deceased (2022) famous comic artist who had a still-online site, tompalmerillustration, and a Wiki page as Tom Palmer (comics); the poem, judging by the bio at the archived Aphelion link, is by another likely American Palmer. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lone Star Law ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80404; Anyone think this should be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The Note field says:<br />
:* Western story anthology. It may have some spec-fic stories, but otherwise, there's no reason for it to be in the database.<br />
: Have we been able to find this anthology's table of contents and determine whether any of the stories are SF? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:23, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I was able to look at the ToC via the Amazon Look Inside feature for the pb edition (ISBN 978-1982153069) and I don't see anything there that looks like SF. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Reading the editor's introductions to each story I noticed that two stories were called "eerie". After reading them, I can confirm that one is an unambiguous ghost story while the other one is an ambiguous "curse" story. I have added them to the publication record and updated Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:13, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Recording plagiarized work ==<br />
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A couple of days ago [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-19-24-all-these-pixels-are-someone-elses-fault/ File 770 reported] (item 5) that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3221864 "After the Flood" by John Kucera] was plagiarised from another author. I've added a note to that title record, but I'm wondering whether anything else should be done, e.g. making it a variant? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Unless the poem uses the same wording I'd think the only thing we can do is to add notes to the title (and likely the publications the plagiat was published in). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:32, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:All three of the works "by" this author that are listed on ISFDB appear to have been plagiarized. I've added notes to the title entries as well as the publication entries. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:59, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks all! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:22, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::At some point, we should probably make them variants since (in all the reports I've read) only the title were changed by the plagiarizer. Similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570478 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've added the variants for the two I could figure out. Still unsure who originally wrote "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3205023 Summer 1993]" and what the original title was. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:15, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::How about this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2951283? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Looks like it's the same guy per a Google search that brought up [https://eunoiareview.wordpress.com/2023/11/16/fanlight-and-ice/ this] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123001032/https://www.silverblade.net/tag/john-siepkes/ archive]), which is the same thing but under his Kucera name. Now to try to figure out who really wrote it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:06, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Some additional archive links to help us figure out all of this: [https://web.archive.org/web/20230604133528/https://thewildword.com/poetry-john-kucera/ Wild Word], [https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html Lothlorien Poetry Journal] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004257/https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html archive]), [https://twitter.com/OneArtPoetry1/status/1747732242581876815 One Art Poetry on X], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230922115703/https://oneartpoetry.com/2023/09/11/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ One Art Poetry], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230530004119/https://www.fictionalcafe.com/spare-parts-poetry-by-john-kucera/ The Fictional Cafe], [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122101438/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2024/01/17/it-was-bound-to-happen-eventually/ Sparks of Calliope] (see also [https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004746/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2023/09/22/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ this page]), [https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 New Reader Magazine] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123005036/https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 archive]), [https://bsky.app/profile/wnwagner.bsky.social/post/3kj5gwyptla2o Wendy N. Wagner loves pie on BlueSky], and I'll add more later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:31, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) I suspect that the issue of plagiarized works is going to become harder to deal with in the near future. In the past we had to deal with two types of scenarios:<br />
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* word-for-word reprints with the title/credits changed, usually by shady publishers or self-publishers<br />
* more elaborate schemes whose perpetrators plagiarized sections of other authors' works<br />
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The first type is fairly straightforward, but the second type is hard to catch. For example, volumes 29 and 33 in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4950 ''Casca'' series] were retroactively removed from the series over allegations of plagiarism in April-June 2013. It happened 3-5 years after their original publication even though the Casca fandom is very active. It's not something that we, bibliographers, can realistically identify on our own.<br />
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Over the last few months I have seen a number of reports of plagiarists using software to scrape Web-published stories, massage them using ChatGPT and put them on Amazon, e.g. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/18v1d5e/attention_authors_of_rr_there_has_been_a_spree_of/ this episode over the Christmas holidays]. I suspect it's going to be a pain to deal with. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bard II ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291859; Wrong cover, it has price and ISBN of earlier printing, I can't find right cover, if anyone else can, can you upload it and replace this one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also, The First Long Ship (or Longship on some sites) which has no cover online I can find so if it exists and someone can find it that needs uploading, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Galactic Central Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5867682; The only other site I can find that has this cover is Camelot Books; I was going to upload it when I thought of checking Philsp and found it hiding there. Is the owner(s) of that site ever going to upgrade to HTTPS? Right-click and "open image in new tab" does show the image but it still would be better if that didn't have to be done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Last I heard, the owner said that he had no plans to upgrade to HTTPS. That said, browser vendors have been making it harder to access HTTP sites, which puts pressure on site owners to upgrade. It remains to be seen how it may affect Galactic Central in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== German Playboy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?757; While replacing sideways Amazon cover with better straight cover for one of these books I noticed there are 8 or 9 that don't have cover credits (last book was unpublished so likely no cover exists); since most covers in the series were originally on English-language books it's likely the missing ones were, too, so if anyone can recognize the art then artists can be entered and variants can be made. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:08, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Brian Ames Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119003; I added a link to a MOTA anthology over a year ago and there's a 2002 story by Brian Ames which editors before me seemed to have trouble deciding how to enter (see extensive title edit history), eventually settling on a symbol; however, in his collection someone entered the title as "grey blob", which is what it actually looks like in the anthology. So the 2 stories are the same and should be merged but what should the title be entered as? This reminds me of that David J. Schow horror story where nobody can ever decide how to enter it and eventually settled on "scribbled graffiti" or this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?76213, but at least Oates can get away with that because most of her work is pretentious "literary" stuff, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Merged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2148942 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:39, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Duplicate finder -- NOVEL/CHAPBOOK? ==<br />
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The "Duplicate Finder" program, which exists in three incarnations -- one for Author pages, one for Title pages and one for Publication pages -- searches for potential duplicate titles and then lets you merge them. Its default mode of operations is "exact", which means that two (or more) titles need to have the exact same spelling as well as the same authors in order to be considered potential duplicates.<br />
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The "exact" mode also ignores unlikely title type mismatches. For example, if one title record is SHORTFICTION and another one is NOVEL, they won't be flagged as potential duplicates. However, the "exact" mode currently flags NOVEL and CHAPBOOK titles with identical titles and authors as potential duplicates. I am thinking that this is likely more harmful than useful and would like to propose that we change the behavior of the "exact" mode to skip identical NOVEL/CHAPBOOK pairs. Ideas? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree. As it is currently, we could accidentally merge titles incorrectly. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:40, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I also agree. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:21, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: I use that one a lot especially when adding juvenile chapbooks to prolific authors (mainly Fixer's) - because of how Amazon has these, they rarely make it to addPubs and not having the duplicate finder highlight the previously entered novel (a lot of these are stored as novels and need conversion) makes it more likely not to see the other version on the page. So I would rather not lose it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: Let me clarify that the Duplicate Finder's "similar" mode would continue to flag NOVEL, SHORTFICTION and CHAPBOOK titles as potential duplicates after the proposed change. Would it be sufficient for Fixer-originated use cases? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:41, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: But we do not have a similar mode in the pubs/titles Duplicate finder. The one I use is the one that triggers when you click on "Check for Duplicate Titles" after a Pub/Title Edit. Which I believe is "exact". If I need to go to the author page every time to run a separate similar mode check, it will add steps. Plus in some of these authors, it will highlight a lot of things which is different from the current case where it is a quick check that finds usually a single match when it does. I can make it work - but it will add to the workflow. One option may be to allow the similar as an option on pub/title duplicate finder - keep the exact as a default but allow a similar to be run with a click how we do it on author page's find duplicates? A separate click which is right there will help. <br />
::::: And this is not just for Fixer usecases - I've needed it when moderating as well often enough in a similar usecase - we have chapbook/novel and a new(ish) member adds the same as the other. <br />
::::: If the proposal is to remove it from the 'Author' exact duplicate finder only with no change for the pub/title duplicate finder, then I am fine with removing it there. But the way the proposal reads, it sounds like we are not going to show it in the default mode in either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:45, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the fact that the versions of the Duplicate Finder software used on Publication and Title pages do not support "similar" and "aggressive" modes. If memory serves, the reason was performance -- there can be thousands of titles with "similar" spellings where "similar" is defined as an 85% overlap, the current threshold value.<br />
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:::::: It sounds like what we may need is a new Duplicate Finder mode. Something that would be the same as the "exact" mode except that it would also flag identical CHAPBOOK/NOVEL title pairs. It would be made available on all three Duplicate Finder pages.<br />
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:::::: If it sounds workable, I can look into what it would take to implement it. I suspect that it should be a fairly straightforward change, but I am not 100% sure. We'll also need to come up with an intuitive name for the new mode. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:11, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: That will work for me. And if you are going to do it, we may think about throwing an anthology/collection/omnibus format mix in the same mode (same usecase essentially - especially around juveniles and novellas previously added as novels). And even poem/shortfiction? Maybe simply pull all the format discrepancy matches out from Exact (requiring a format match in it) and move them to their own type of duplicate finder mode. That will also make it less likely for someone to merge by mistake based on the standard duplicate find.[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:27, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: You could have "type" be an independent modifier applied to any of the three modes. Something like "Match identical types only", on by default. That would also be easy to extend to other criteria (e.g., language) in the future without having a cross product of mode choices. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:26, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Good point! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) After experimenting on the development server and paying closer attention when working on the Clean Authors cleanup, I think I have a better appreciation for Annie's concerns. At this point clicking "Check for Duplicate Titles" post-approval is second nature for moderators and self-approvers. When a submission adds a NOVEL publication, it's very helpful to know that a CHAPBOOK pub with the same title already exists in the database, especially if the submitter is a robot. Requiring the approving moderator to click yet another link/button would mess with the workflow.<br />
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I suppose we could change the Duplicate Finder logic to ignore CHAPBOOK/NOVEL duplicates by default, but display a yellow warning -- and a link to the more relaxed version of the Duplicate Finder -- if they exist. I am not sure it would be ideal, though. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: As long as it is a link and not a need to go elsewhere or to go to the author level, that will work for me. <br />
: I'd also want to ask for the anthology/collection/omnibus and the poem/short fiction checks to be added to the chapbook/novel both for the yellow warning and the more relaxed one - both of these happen often enough to be annoying if we lose the ability to see them on the duplicate finder. Unless the plan is to leave these into the default one - in which case, we are fine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: After thinking some more about this issue, it occurs to me that there may be another way to approach this issue. Currently, most post-approval Web pages display links that let you view/edit the updated/added record or, for some submission types like Make Variant, multiple records. A few post-submission pages also link to the Duplicate Finder or other pages.<br />
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:: However, there is nothing preventing the post-approval software from quietly checking the status of the added/updated record(s) and displaying appropriate warnings. For example, the post-approval page for NewPubs could run the Duplicate Finder behind the scenes and then display a message like:<br />
::* The added publication record includes a title record with the same title and authors as another title record. Use the Duplicate Finder link above to see the details.<br />
:: This warning message would be easy to implement and moderators would no longer have to worry about forgetting to click "Duplicate Finder" after approving NewPub submissions. Does this sound useful?<br />
:: If we choose to add this warning message, we could still decide to tweak the Duplicate Finder logic later, but I think the message should be implemented first since it changes the workflow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:53, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: That will be useful -- I am not sure how many false alerts will show up and how they will be treated (especially from the less experienced moderating users - usually the self-approvers) but other from that, any checks the software can do for me are always welcome. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:08, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: OK, {{FR|1592}}, "Warning after approving NewPub submissions which create potential duplicates", has been created. We'll see how useful it will be. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:48, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Duplicate Finder enhancements -- Outcome ===<br />
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{{FR|1592}} has been implemented. After approving NewPub/AddPub/ClonePub/EditPub submissions, moderators and self-approvers will now see a yellow warning and a link to the Duplicate Finder if the created/affected publication record contains one (or more) title records which have the same title(s) and author(s) as other title records in the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moondust ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22737; I added a whole bunch of edits for Rosemary Harris books and also found a PDF link for her early uncollected story "Hamlin" at Galactic Journey. Looking through their list of PDF's I noticed a Swann link and, thinking it would be a short story, I clicked it and it turned out to be the full original edition of his novel Moondust which has no copies at the usual places like Internet Archive or Luminist. I'm guessing there's more novels hiding in that list but for now I'll just ask if anyone owns the book and wouldn't mind transcribing the text on the last 2 pages and adding it to the record because those are missing in the PDF. I'm not sure what copyright rules are for a 50+-year-old book but I think a page or two would count as an excerpt and wouldn't bother anyone, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That can get complicated. Since this was first published in 1968 in the United States, and if it was published with a copyright notice, the copyright expires at the end of 2063 (meaning it becomes public domain on January 1, 2064). If it was published without a copyright notice, since it was published between 1964 and 1977, it is now in the public domain. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#When_does_copyright_expire? here] for more details. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the PDF copy from the link you submitted, the copyright notice is very clear on the back of the title page. This means the copyright doesn't expire until 2064, so we shouldn't be linking to a pirated PDF copy. I rejected the link addition. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:30, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::So does that mean that all the 330 or so Luminist.org PDF's currently linked on ISFDB are pirated, too? Because I don't think most of those are public domain; I would know because I'm the one who added most of the links. Has any mod in the history of this site ever gotten a request from anyone to remove a Luminist PDF? I'd be curious to know. When someone pirates something and uploads it, they love to add their name, fake as it may be, to the upload, similar to how computer game crackers decades ago loved to add their names to the crack, usually with some animation and music (which were sometimes better than those in the game itself); believe me, I could easily add hundreds of Internet Archive links to rare books right now except for the fact that the uploaders converted them to crap e-editions with removed page numbers. I don't see anything like that in Moondust so it's likely someone's personal copy they converted to a PDF; it's clearly the original paperback with page numbers and a bookstore sticker on the cover and everything. Since Swann died in 1976 and the last reprint as far as ISFDB (and WorldCat) say was in 1977 I doubt anyone would care if a PDF was linked to here; any serious collector would want a physical copy. My suggestion would be to un-reject it. Barring that, I'll just go ahead and make a note with the address of the PDF but not hot-linked so people know where it is but actually have to paste the URL into the address bar themselves in order to get it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:47, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::This guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?286234, runs the site. Looks legit to me; he even published a magazine of the same title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: The question about the status of Luminist-hosted PDF files is an interesting one. I should first note that I became aware of the Luminist Web site back in 2010 when we were given permission to link to Luminist-hosted images. I was under the impression that the files that they host were similar to [https://www.gutenberg.org/help/copyright.html Gutenberg-hosted "copyright-cleared" files], which is why I have been approving their addition for the last few years.<br />
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::::However, reading the copyright statement on the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page]:<br />
::::* This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.” By accessing files linked to this site you are agreeing to abide by these restrictions. If you do not agree, do not download. If any copyright owner objects to our inclusion of their material on this web site, please do not harass our hosting providers; just contact us with the pertinent information. We will remove contested content promptly upon receipt of legitimate requests. Readers who wish to obtain a permanent copy of any item are encouraged to acquire one from a bookseller of their choice. Readers may contact us for assistance in locating copies for purchase. <br />
:::: I see that they expect their users to download PDF files for "private study, scholarship, or research" purposes and, apparently, not for permanent use. This relies on an interpretation of the [https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html "fair use" doctrine] which seems a bit too stretchy to me, but I am not an expert in the field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:09, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::OK, sounds good to me, "private study" clearly can mean reading the book and since they're being linked at ISFDB that covers the scholarship/research part. Also, what I took to be a Galactic Journey magazine is just a few random pages from the webzine with a couple of essay links, 1 of which is movie-related and probably doesn't qualify, but there's some Hugo Award nomination so I guess they count; the first entry is totally blank and was actually entered by user "galacticjourney" himself with mods questioning on his page why he entered it since it's a webzine. The site is still running currently and has hundreds of essays, many of which would be suitable for entry here, I'm sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Let me clarify what I meant by "a bit too stretchy". The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.<br />
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:::::: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. My knowledge of these topics is very limited, but hopefully other editors may have more in-depth knowledge and/or relevant experience in this field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:38, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: I have started a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Linking_to_third_party_Web_pages_--_defining_.22legally_posted.22 Rules and Standards discussion] to see if we can come up with unambiguous rules for linking to third party-hosted texts. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:50, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Reactor?!? ==<br />
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I was at my awful local public library printing out various articles and short stories for free which is the only positive thing about libraries these days and after my hour was up I realized I forgot to check Tor.com to see if they published any new fiction (horror only, please, no SF or fantasy) so I checked when I got home and got a scary-looking page which made me think a computer virus had finally taken hold of my laptop after not having one for many years but it turns out that Tor apparently has re-named themselves Reactor. Is anyone else aware of this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yes, they announced it a few weeks ago. New site, new name (to differentiate them from the Tor.com publisher), same team, same contents. All the old links to their old site should be forwarding cleanly to the new one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: And the [https://reactormag.com/tor-com-to-become-reactor-debut-new-site-on-january-23rd/ announcement] and [https://reactormag.com/answering-your-questions-about-tor-coms-change-to-reactor/ Q&A] about it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I suspect that the part of the FAQ that is most likely to affect us is this:<br />
::* SFF literature is still the heart of what we do, and that’s our priority. We’ll just also be open to related subjects of interest, from nonfic to romantasy, pirates to gardening, and so on.<br />
:: So it looks like they will have more non-genre content going forward, but they expect to remain primarily SF-oriented for the foreseeable future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:23, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Chinese Godzilla? ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%E6%80%AA%E7%8D%A3%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; If anyone knows what this is about and decides it warrants entering, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Magic German Cats ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33710; There was a 1999 German edition under a new title, https://archive.org/details/katmagie13katten0000unse, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ZOLTAR ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Zoltar&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Polish primary verifier seemed to be very active in 2012 and then nothing, they left a lot of their 300+ PV unfinished with missing info, mentioning this in case anyone fluent in Polish wants to follow up on any of them and add or fix anything. I thought of this before but remembered it today after finding a photo for Jerzy Sosnowski on FantLab and an archived copy of the anthology PL +50 which his story on ISFDB appears in. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:45, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== verification email ==<br />
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I have tried several times to elicit a verification email but nothing has arrived. I've checked junk & trash as well. Is this simply not working? {{unsigned|Starman99}}<br />
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: I am afraid this is a common occurrence, which we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_don.27t_receive_the_confirmation_email.3F discuss in the ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* Different email servers have different automated rules which may block email coming from certain Web sites, which makes it hard to tell what's preventing ISFDB confirmation email from being delivered to your mailbox.<br />
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:* Note, however, that confirmation emails are optional as far as ISFDB is concerned. As long as you can log in, you have full access to all ISFDB features including Advanced Search, display preferences, submission creation etc.<br />
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: Since you were able to post the message above, you should be all set :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ace Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872024; Can someone on the long list of editors find out where someone got month from? Whoever entered many of these old PB long ago was very random about noting where they got the month, but I remember it was a checklist or something so that's likely where this one came from, too. I thought it would be obvious why I added the month since it's there throughout the contents but I guess not. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Berthon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=theodore+le&type=Name; Space in first entry separates same essay from its appearances elsewhere; no essay title page I can find but I did see a contents page of Frankenstein File that says, um, Ted Le Berthon, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334647759422. So, if anyone can verify, a merge or variant will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== I'm looking for a book title ==<br />
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Hello everyone,<br />
I'm looking for a book title. I read the book years ago probably in the 80s. A quick summary the world is divided by a massive mountain range. I think that the protagonist must climb the mountain range in order to become the ruler. They climb the mountain only to find a deep valley on the other side with an even higher mountain range behind it. The protagonist ultimately climbs the second mountain range where they find another land on the far side with another intelligent species. This has been driving me batty and I would appreciate it if anyone knows what this books title is and who wrote it. Thank you. {{Unsigned2|19:21, February 1, 2024| Firefighterbgrg }}<br />
:If no one here is able to help you, we have a [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|section in our FAQ]] that gives several places where you can ask for help finding the book. Good luck! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey ==<br />
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I learn via [https://news.ansible.uk/a439.html Ansible] today that Darrah Chavey left this mortal coil on 6 January. He was always a learned and consistent editor to work alongside at the ISFDB... Happy trails Darrah, Rest In Peace. :( [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 10:39, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, indeed. There was a brief [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Darrah_Chavey.27s_Passing Community Portal discussion on 2024-01-11] and Darrah's database record was updated. RIP. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Gardner F. Fox's text story in "Strange Adventures" ==<br />
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Earlier today a Usenet poster pointed out that {{A|Gardner F. Fox}} published "The Magic Maker of Rann", a text story, in the comic ''Strange Adventures'' #226. The story is lavishly illustrated, but the text works just fine even if you were to reprint it without illustrations, which is how we determine whether a story is "graphic".<br />
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The whole thing is available [https://thedorkreview.blogspot.com/2012/01/adam-stranges-magic-maker-of-rann.html online], illustrations included. Should we treat ''Strange Adventures'' as a non-genre periodical and list this story? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I've entered a number of Eando Binder stories from the {{Series|Lieutenant Jon Jarl of the Space Patrol}} series that originally appeared in {{Series|Captain Marvel Adventures}} comic, and I entered them in exactly the manner you suggest. I believe some of these stories have been reprinted as text alone, so I felt I was on pretty safe ground. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:43, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Ark Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5880702; ISBN belongs to Scholastic edition judging by a back cover I saw online. There's a later (3rd) trade printing on Archive.org with trade and library ISBN on the copyright page so either this record should be made Scholastic or a new record created for Random House edition(s). I've been adding dozens of Wikipedia links to novelizations recently and I've come across some other issues like this (only one I can remember is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by Anne Digby which has pub. series as Hippo Books but that actually belongs to the UK edition which I made a new record for) so when these are approved a check and some fixing/adding is probably needed for at least a few of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:50, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Rise of the Silver Surfer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346021; I made an edit fixing typo "udpated" to "updated", surprisingly the only such error on all of ISFDB, and realized that this edition was likely never published with AbeBooks having a weird "cover to be unveiled" photo. So unless someone can find evidence of a copy I think this should get the unpublished date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Parnassus Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/wizardofearthsea00ursu; I added a link to a Parnassus edition based on someone's extensive notes here (no number line or smudge on title page) but there are some editions of this book only linked from Open Library including the one above which has a price much higher than any other book from the publisher on ISFDB but copyright page has same info as 1969 2nd printing so if anyone knows a way to determine the date a new edition can be added. There's an ancient ISFDB bibliography from 2006 by Ahasuerus, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin, which could probably use some updating unless it's been updated somewhere else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pranks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've made edits for all editions before, original 1983 Amazon cover seems to have disappeared leading to a broken image so I replaced it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882029, then I replaced OL/Archive cover which is too dark with an Amazon cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882020, that isn't great but is brighter and still retains the sparkly stuff on the title that Leisure used to attract people to buy their books which then led to disappointment when the buyers realized the novels themselves were usually crap, the latest edition is fine as is, so now I think the 1983 edition with the wrong price and ISBN should be deleted and the image uploaded by Chris J. should be removed from the Wiki since it seems to be the badly creased cover that's still on Amazon with unnecessary back cover included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Felix Kelly ==<br />
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I entered new records for Faber anthologies Best Murder Stories and Best Murder Stories 2 which are mostly genre or by genre authors; I also looked at Best Tales of Terror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4213, and even though I know I've seen that cover many times I never noticed until seeing it full-sized on FantLab that there's a very clear signature lower right, FELIX KELLY. I entered that in an edit but the problem is that the record for him, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?255975, might be the same artist who did the 1956 art but can't be the guy from 1879. So there may be 2 Felix Kellys in case anyone can find out more and separate them into 2 records; it's also possible that the 1956 art was not new but taken from something drawn by the older Kelly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also added Margaret Wolpe as cover artist for Best Tales of Terror 2; no signature I can see but FantLab credits her + there's a copy on Dalby's site whose front flap says she did "jacket design" and the art does look like many of her other Faber covers. Also greatly updated her record with lots of bio info and noted she was married to Berthold, also an artist, and updated his record as well. Dalby's copy has a pounds price sticker covering another pound price so I'm getting the impression Faber reprinted their anthologies many times with no way to tell except the prices kept getting higher; lots of printings are probably missing so if anyone has any not on ISFDB it would be good to enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventure of the Peerless Peer ==<br />
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Are there any objections to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11929 this] to a novella? The recent ebook reprint is marked as 27k words by Kobo USA and looking at the page numbers and some of the other editions, it does feel too small to be a novel. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: It's definitely a novella. The Titan Books edition (2011) is well over 200 pages and looks like a bona fide novel, but its apparent length is due to the addition of a very long promotional excerpt from {{A|Kim Newman}}'s ''Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles''. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:16, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Termush - convert to novella ==<br />
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Another recent reprint shows [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1443797 this one] as 25k words in English (Kobo USA count) which will leave it well short of 40K in its original Danish as well. Any objections to converting this to a novella? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== John Stanley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883789; See my note about artist, that Little Lulu credit in the original Stanley record belongs with I's record because, as my note in the original says, he was born in '39 or '40 so he would only have been 9 or 10 if he did that art which is unlikely; this is the right Stanley, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stanley_(cartoonist). The Melvin Monster credits belong with I, too. I have to assume the Fengriffen Stanley is not the same as I because it's a UK edition and he's American plus it's a photograph, not drawn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:10, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Doolin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431777; Late PV entered James Doolin based on signature but there is none, FantLab photo has initials JPD, it's actually Joseph Doolin, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27894, and he has an entry for the same art, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1590968. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Uncorrected Proofs ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5870146 this submission] to update {{P|29328|this record}}. I noticed that the record states that it was unpublished (8888-00-00), yet there appears to be a cover that was just added. More importantly it also describes this as an "uncorrected proof" and I had thought that proofs were outside of our [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents/Project Scope Policy|scope]]. The policy specifically excludes Advance Reading Copies unless available for sale to the public. Do uncorrected proofs differ from ARCs in terms of determining scope? This seems straightforward to me and I believe the publication should be deleted. If others disagree and this requires a full discussion, we can move this the the Rules and Standards board. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:59, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: I read the rules the same way you do - ARCs and uncorrected proofs are out. However, we do keep records of unpublished but announced books (these are in scope under the <i>announced but never published (entered as "unpublished")</i> part of ROA) so I would not delete this one as it is under that category. So ARC/uncorrected proof of a book that comes out will not be eligible but if the book never makes it out, adding the notes about it into the 8888 book are fine I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Comparing this publication record with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3379 other, published, editions of the book], I note that it has a different ISBN in addition to a different publisher name. I typically enter announced-then-canceled ISBNs as 8888-00-00 publication records under the rule referenced by Annie. Their presence in our database helps answer a common question: "Whatever happened to this apparent first edition? Why can't I find any copies for sale?" We all know how obsessed collectors can get when it comes to first editions and our database is frequently the only readily accessible place that explains what happened to a "disappeared" ISBN. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:51, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've no argument with a publication record for an announced, but unpublished book. However, an unpublished book and an uncorrected proof are two different things. The notes on this record confuse the issue as to what the record represents. The addition of a cover scan and artist further confuses things. How are we able to display a cover of a book that was never published? I would suggest that the notes be reworked to indicate that a proof was done as evidence of the planned publication. We could replace the first two sentences with "The Bluejay Books imprint was dissolved late in 1986 just after an uncorrected proof for this planned edition was printed in September of that year." I would also recommend deleting the cover of the proof and rejecting the addition of an artist. I do worry that if we were to make an exception and allow a record specifically for an uncorrected proof when the book is never published, it would encourage the addition of other proofs and ARCs especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database. If others think this should be a valid exception to allow records for proofs, then we should document it in the scope page as is done with ARCs offered for sale. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: That sounds like a plan and the proposed change in the notes sounds fine to me - that will make it clear that the record is here because the book was announced and not because it had an ARC/uncorrected proofs done. I am at two minds about the cover - if it was announced with the book, recording it makes sense as it may help trace it to an artist later on and as it is part of the record after all. But other from that - I agree that we need to be careful not to confuse ARCs and unpublished books per se - although when a publication fails through often varies so there are ARCs out there for books that do not make it - that one being an example. Maybe all we need is to strengthen the language to specify that the exclusion is for books that end up being published - thus allowing the usecase we have here without a concern. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:06, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::I agree that the pub record should stay because it falls under "announced but never published" and agree with Ron that the problem with it as it stands is that the pub note gives the impression that the record has been created for the proof, not the unpublished book. Ron's tweak to the pub note solves this problem.<br />
:::::Further notes and suggestions:<br />
:::::1) I agree that mentioning the proof in the pub note is a good idea. It is evidence that the book was announced.<br />
:::::2) I definitely think the cover image should be deleted. It should either be omitted or of the final cover. The latter assumes the publisher reached that stage and that we could find the image. All very unlikely. The cover image is more than just the artwork; it's also the colouring, wording, layout and typography and those aspects of the proof cover clearly wouldn't reflect the final version.<br />
:::::3) I would delete the OCLC/WorldCat External ID and just mention it in the pub note because it refers specifically to the uncorrected proof and not the unpublished final work.<br />
:::::4) I'm ambivalent about importing the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?950860 coverart record]. It's clear from the cover of the proof that Ron Walotsky was the intended artist so this falls under "announced but never published" but it would need a pub note explaining the source and why there's no image.<br />
:::::5) I'm broadly against making an exception for including ARC's / proofs when the book was unpublished although I do see Annie's point of view. But I think it's an unnecessary complication and veers back towards Ron's point about "encourage the addition of other proofs and ARC's especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database" which is something I strongly agree we want to avoid. Also, if we do permit this exception, how do we implement it? Does it mean we would have two pub records: one for the unpublished work and one for the proof? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I've gone ahead and change the notes as discussed above. I've also moved the Worldcat number and the cover into the notes so that it's clear the record is for the unpublished work and not for the proof. I'll reject the held edit. Let me know if someone disagrees with these changes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Carroll ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165703; The stories belong with the other Carroll but that ndp thing doesn't look right to me so maybe some other differing addition should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Author attribution on the three stories, initially credited to Noël Carrol, has been corrected. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:57, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I still think it's weird about that (ndp) because there's thousands of nom de plumes on ISFDB but this is the only one that has that added on the end of the name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:28, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Well, we have some with (pseudonym) attached, and I'd think that'd be more meaningful (ndp isn't a colloquial abbreviation), or just a (I) attached. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:52, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't think we should use any parentheticals if we can avoid it. Since we have the (I) thing we already use extensively, I think that would be the best option for any that are currently using "(pseudonym)" as a disambiguator. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:20, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: There are reasons why I chose to set the author up as Noel Carroll (ndp). However, it's not worth our time to debate. I have changed it to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373877 Noel Carroll]. Not sure that the standards imply that Roman numerals are the preferred dismbiguator. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name Here] is the applicable help section. Thanks for your interest, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Karen Simmons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1117998; She's the wife of Dan Simmons, credited for author photograph in the HC which can be seen on eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/04sAAOSw1Mdltkv~/s-l1600.jpg], art is likely by one of the regular Headline cover artists, Chris Moore maybe, but I don't see a signature. So her credit should be removed. I noticed a 2nd printing of the Headline PB on Archive.org which has that same art (and price) but different blurbs on top and bottom so I'm going to enter that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! There's a primary verification by Faustus. It'd be meaningful if you contact him to shed some light on the actual credit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi! There's no credit on the PB because there's no author photo like there is on the back of the HC. 2nd printing PB I just entered has no art credit. I'm sure someone here familiar with UK PB artists will identify it in some artist's book sooner or later but it's certainly not by Dan's wife. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Wesso ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5885644; Wiki says 1893. Anyone here who can find proof it's really 1894? I looked for a headstone but couldn't find one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Story about the Premiere of Rite of Spring ==<br />
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I'm looking for the short story (probably from 1970s) about recreating the experience of the premiere of The Rite of Spring by giving all of the audience members a new drug. I believe this was in one of the better short story annuals of the era.<br />
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Most of my book collection is in storage, alas, so I can't find this by leafing through my old pulp. {{Unsigned2|17:38, February 8, 2024| Martycohen36 }}<br />
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== Black Christmas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?878255; While entering Wikipedia links for tons of novelizations I came across this rare 1976 one for the classic 1974 horror film. The original edition is apparently very rare because I've looked everywhere and can't find a copyright page that doesn't have the word FANGORIA on it because apparently Fangoria Magazine reprinted it in 2008 (although there is very little mention of this online). It does include the original info so I was able to enter the month (February, which is odd because you'd think it would be late in the year to capitalize on the holiday) but if anyone has a 1976 copy can you verify what it says on it? The film was Canadian and book says "Printed in Canada" so possibly it was only published there in which case the price will need a C added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Riddle of the Exodus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?185298; Not fiction, religious history book, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL8166080W/The_Riddle_of_the_Exodus?edition=key%3A/books/OL8566162M, probably should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. I question if the author of the religious book is the same author as of the BattleTech books. I couldn't find anything on the religious author's sites that connect him to the BattleTech books. I will ping the active verifier for the BattleTech book to see if there is an author blurb. If not (or it indicates it is a different author), I will remove the the current author info from {{A|James D. Long}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:31, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Philfreund has confirmed the BattleTech book provides no biographical information on the author. I have removed the author info from {{A|James D. Long}} as it is more than likely a different person. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:28, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mutant Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250352; I replaced the cover; if anyone knows about the old one, whether it was an early one that was rejected or if it belongs to a different edition, a note about early art or a new record for the other edition if it exists would be good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N. ==<br />
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I need to make several changes to the pub records for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126730 Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.]. The tp edition has a sole PV by the late Biomassbob but he somehow missed showing that Paula Goodlett is the co-author of the work. Amazon also shows the pub date for that edition as 2023-12-07, not 2023-12-02 as currently shown in the pub record. The 12-07 date makes more sense since all of the other self-published books by Gorg Hoff and Paula Goodlett have the ebook edition published the day prior to the tp edition. Any objection to my making changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:21, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Mistakes happen :) Go ahead - make sure the notes clarify where the date is coming from. And while you are there, we do not use "Independently published" as a publisher - so can you also fix that (author names are used when there is no publisher). I will sort out the other 2 we have under that publisher later today. Thanks for finding this one! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:44, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Done. I also corrected the title for the Interiorart maps record to match current standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:29, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus1 Secondary Verifications ==<br />
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Occasionally I come across pubs that have been SVd to Locus1 solely on the basis of their mention as the first edition of a later publication. The first one I encountered, as a very rookie editor, was this one: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?197293 David Brin / Sundiver]. I asked the SVer, Rtrace, about it and received [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace/Archive15#David_Brin_.2F_Sundiver this explanation]. For the purposes of this thread I shall refer to these as "indirect listings".<br />
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The most recent one I have encountered is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and it is this pub record that has prompted this thread because there is a clear contradiction between the SV to Locus1 and the pub note "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)."<br />
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So my question is: should these indirect listings be allowed as SVs to Locus1? If I ruled the world I would not permit them because I don't think they conform to a general user's expectation of a Locus1 listing and they can cause confusion and inconsistencies as demonstrated by the Gerrold record. However, I do not feel strongly about this. I accept Ron's point that these indirect listings provide at least as much information as Clute/Nicholls and if the consensus is that they should be allowed then I can live quite happily with this.<br />
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However, if we do allow them then this Help page: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources Reference:Verification_Sources] needs amendment. The matrix currently states that Locus1 provides "All" the information for fields such as Pages, Price and others but this is not true for the indirect listings. So either:<br />
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a) The relevant fields for Locus1 should be changed from "All" to "Some" (or maybe "Most").<br />
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b) A note should be added to the page explaining Locus1 indirect listings and clarifying that the values in the matrix for Locus1 only apply to full listings.<br />
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I prefer solution b).<br />
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Opinions please. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: An interesting point. So basically Locus1 has two types of records. One type covers editions published between 1984 and 2007 and includes publication details. The other type covers first editions (including editions published before 1984) and only lists their year and publisher. In an ideal world, we may want to create a separate Secondary Verification type for the latter and call it something like "Locus1-First Edition". Unfortunately, I am not sure it would be feasible since we have over [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?2 50,000 Locus1 verifications] and separating them would be a very time-consuming project. If we decide not to do it, then I agree that we should update [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data.<br />
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: As far as cases like {{A|David Gerrold}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 Chess with a Dragon] go, I would reword Notes. Instead of saying "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)", I would say something like "Locus1 doesn't have a detailed record for this edition, but multiple records for reprint editions refer to it as the first edition." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Yes, I realised when I started the thread that if we disallow the Locus1 indirect listings there could be a legacy issue of past records SVd to Locus1 that would be difficult to amend. This is often a problem when rules and standards are changed. So although in theory I would vote to disallow these cases, I accept it is not practical to do so. Consequently I am happy with leaving them as they are and updating [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data, which we both agree with.<br />
::I am working on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and so will incorporate the change to the Locus1 pub note as you suggest. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:08, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have clarified the "Locus1" row of [[Reference:Verification Sources]]. Thanks for identifying this issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Thank you. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:27, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Necronomicon in Sweden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=d+bergho&type=Name; First name likely misspelled by PV (or magazine it appeared in) and essay is in second name's record with a much earlier date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Garland Library of SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8067; I made a couple of edits adding archived link, LCCN and cover image to Past Master when I noticed that there is 1 book in the series with a UK price and 1 without any price. So if anyone can fill in the missing one and add US one (moving UK to notes) for the other then everything will be uniform. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lou J. Berger ==<br />
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The author has requested we change his canonical name from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186596 Lou J. Berger] to "Lou J Berger" (no period after the "J"). See mod note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878281 here]. Any objections? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:32, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Checking Amazon.com's Look Inside, I see that the name was spelled "Lou J. Berger" in 2013-2014 and changed to "Lou J Berger" in 2015/2016. By now the majority of the stories use the "Lou J Berger" form of the name, so it should be our canonical name. We just need to make sure that we use the right form for the transitional (2015-2016) period. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Author attributions were reviewed and corrected resulting in compliance with the author's request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:16, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus on Microfilm ==<br />
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I recently added links to the handful of random print issues of Locus that are on Archive.org, one a very early issue and the others more recent, but I just stumbled on a huge cache of microfilmed 1973-2015 issues uploaded by MicrofilmIssueGenerator so I added a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5893289. Not sure if this is known about already but if not I'm sure it will come in handy here for research. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-02-18 at 11am EST ==<br />
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== Sword of the Samurai ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5894874; I have owned a copy since the 1980s and PV it here in 2022, copy uploaded to Archive.org last summer but not added until a few days ago, I think I got the right page count but if anyone disagrees feel free to tweak it a bit, you don't have to ask me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I see a note in the UK edition's record here says [236] so I think they counted the illustration between the first 19 pages and the start of the novel itself. Should that count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::I would count it one way or the other, either as part of the introductory material (so, technically on [20]) or as part of the main material. A page number on that first page of main text would have been a useful guide.... I found an eBay listing of the Puffin edition that has some interior photographs. Not of the page in question, but the TOC and other leading material looks identical to what Archive.org shows for the edition you have. Extrapolating that to content that follows it suggests Reginald did count that illustration as part of the main material. Given the [236] there, what I will do is tweak your count to [236] and add a note about the illustration's appearance relative to the text on the surrounding pages. Just trying to save you an edit cycle; feel free to adjust it to be however you prefer -- I do not mean to insist on anything. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:07, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Sounds good, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic impact of the 2023 Hugo Awards ==<br />
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The current pre-release cover of {{A|Samantha Mills}}'s debut novel [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] says "Nebula and Hugo Award Winner". On 2024-02-17 Mills disavowed the award and announced that she would have "Hugo winner" removed from future editions of the book:<br />
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* [https://samtasticbooks.com/2024/02/17/rabbit-test-unwins-the-hugo/ “Rabbit Test” unwins the Hugo]: ... on Tuesday I’ll send a very awkward email to my agent and editor summarizing the situation ... and figure out the logistics of removing “Hugo winner” from the ebook and future printings. The first print run will be a limited edition novelty, I suppose? Jeez.<br />
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This may not be an isolated occurrence since, as Samantha Mills wrote (among other things):<br />
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* On February 14, a report written by Jason Sanford and Chris M. Barkley was simultaneously released on the [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on Genre Grapevine] and [https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/ File770]. ... we also got a look at [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rhCwKLMydCto6HvXvcqjR553DqrhTfBu/view the validation list itself], aka the tables of frontrunner nominees being vetted for the final ballot, and a horrible pattern emerged, especially in the fiction categories: there were a whole lot of Chinese nominees in frontrunner positions who just… vanished, and never made it onto the final ballot. There were so many, in fact, that if I am reading this document correctly: ''not a single fiction winner'' (short story, novelette, novella, novel, or series) would have even been a finalist if those nominees hadn’t been taken off.<br />
* There’s an indicator of why in the apology letter from the admin who leaked the emails and validation tables: “We were told there was collusion in a Chinese publication that had published a nominations list, a slate as it were, and so those ballots were identified and eliminated.”<br />
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From our perspective, this means that we will need to:<br />
* Update the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78890 “Rabbit Test” Award record] to indicate that the author disavowed the award, similar to how [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this award record] explains that {{A|Judy-Lynn del Rey}}'s posthumous "Best Professional Editor" award was refused by her husband {{A|Lester del Rey}}.<br />
* Keep an eye on [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] to make sure that the correct covers are used for the first and any subsequent editions of the novel.<br />
* Be on the lookout for possible other announcements of authors disavowing 2023 Hugo awards.<br />
* Occasionally check "Worldcon Intellectual Property" announcements. On January 30, 2024 they issued [https://www.wsfs.org/2024/01/31/announcements-from-worldcon-intellectual-property/ a statement] censuring multiple people "for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon" and said that "There may be other actions taken or to be taken that are not in this announcement." If and when they make additional statements about the Hugos awarded at the 2023 Worldcon, we may need to update our records.<br />
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Earlier today {{A|Adrian Tchaikovsky}} disavowed his 2023 Hugo award for Best Series on [https://adriantchaikovsky.com/ his Web site]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78915 award record] has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::These notes are exactly the correct action for us, I think. If we had notes for an award year, it would probably be desirable to add something for the 2023 Hugos. Although, getting a properly neutral description of the controversy free of personal biases (and I have many in this instance), would be tricky. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One of the challenges that the 2023 Hugos present is that it's still a developing story. What we knew 10 days ago is very different from what we know today. Perhaps we'll learn more in the future.<br />
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::: For example, back in late January I came across a re-post/translation of a Chinese fan's comments about the Hugos. The post stated that the fan had been involved in the Hugo process (committee member?) and that he or she had a conflict with Chinese members of the Hugo committee with various accusations flying back and forth. At the time I had trouble parsing the post, in part due to lacking context and in part due to the quality of the translation. In retrospect it may have been related to the following email sent by Dave McCarthy on June 7, 2023 at 6:18pm (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_QqmsxQkACoYcxSx2LVqbxD39-DJI_gS/view), which says:<br />
:::* Tomorrow I have a 4 hour meeting with my chinese counterparts to look at ballot detail and determine if any ballots are to be voided<br />
::: Perhaps either this fan or other members of the 2023 Hugo committee may clarify matters at some point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It would especially be useful to note that the nomination totals and the EPH points appear to be completely unreliable, since those are noted in each nomination award record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One thing that comes to mind is that we could change the way opening sentences are phrased. Instead of the current "1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category" we could say something like "According to the [https://www.thehugoawards.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2023-Hugo-Award-Stats-Final.pdf voting statistics] released [https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/2023-nominating-and-final-ballot-statistics-published/?ref=astrolabe.aidanmoher.com on 2024-01-20], there were 1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category". It's not much, but it would at least clarify which version of the stats our records use. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:20, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've added your suggested text to the records in the Best Novel category. In addition to the ballot count at the head, I've also added it to the nomination numbers at the foot. I think it's more important there as that is where there is evidence of shenanigans. In any case, let me know if it looks good and I can update the remaining records or we tweak it if desired. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Everything looks good, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I recall that award year notes has been suggested before and there may be a feature request, though I suspect that how the award tables are structured may make this difficult. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, indeed. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", says "Create a new record type for award years. We can call it something like "award year" or "award ceremony". Once we have it, we will be able to add notes to award years. Notes can be used to specify when the awards were announced, when and where they were given, eligibility rules changes, etc." Unfortunately, as you said, it would be fairly time-consuming to implement. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: In any case, I do have one suggestion for the del Rey award record. We currently have the explanation of the non-acceptance of the award noted in the title field of what should be an untitled award. Perhaps we didn't have award level notes at the point that award was added. I feel that the verbiage in the title should be moved to notes and replaced with "untitled". --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: I agree. It's exactly as you said -- award records didn't have a Notes field back then. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've updated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this] and expanded the comment as a note taking my queue from Judy-Lynn's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy-Lynn_del_Rey Wikipedia article]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I have hyper-linked Lester del Rey's name and clarified that he was Judy-Lynn's husband. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kater-Bound ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22308; On all of the web there seems to be only 1 mention of Borgo Press and Kater-Bound together, https://www.lawrenceperson.com/?p=22429, although it does get a handful of hits in a text search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22kater-bound%22+%22borgo%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate. This Archive.org page, https://archive.org/search?query=compton+farewell+bliss&sort=-addeddate, shows 2 editions with one being Borgo but with price on front covered and Kater-Bound sticker on back. Could this be the mysterious Borgo HC mentioned in the book's record? Also, the note about artist is wrong because he's credited on copyright page and back cover, the latter of which can be seen in the cover image. TP PV doesn't respond much so I'm asking on this board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Archive.org copy is a library book, and Kater-Craft does library bindings. I believe it is not uncommon to have a retail hardcover edition and a library-binding hardcover edition of the same book. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:44, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Believe it or not, I have library hardcover versions of Ace Doubles. All should be listed in my opinion. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Miriam Allen de Ford ==<br />
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Per the ''Spaces in Names'' subsection of [[:Template:PublicationFields:Author]], Miriam Allen de Ford should be standardized as {{A|Miriam Allen deFord}}. However, we have a {{A|Miriam Allen de Ford}} alternate name which was recently edited so the notes copy the rules saying it should be standardized. Instead, I propose we merge the alternate name to the canonical name in accordance with the rules. As there are a number of verified pubs, I will point the verifiers to the this discussion, If there are any objections, then we should probably have a Rules and standards discussions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:28, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I guess it would be like calling somebody named MacIntosh being called Mac Intosh. Still, I'll go with the majority. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:58, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::No objection to merging, but I think the actual spelling of the name should be made clear in the notes. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:06, 20 February 2024 (EST).<br />
:::No objection, I had three pubs, two in Croatian language I already corrected, but I have also one in Serbian language. In Serbian language names are written as they are pronounced, in this case same as written. Should I change this one as well? This is publication in question: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2277217 {{unsigned|Debolestis}}<br />
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== Ruben De Anda ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476655; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2552505; Can anyone find proof that these are the same artists? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I don't know. But [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107431 The Galaxy Primes] (Ace 1976) appears also to be signed by R. De Anda. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 08:52, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Probably is but since last name is mostly covered it's hard to tell. PV Willem H. noted that it may be Rafael M. De Soto but I doubt it because he has no original cover credits on ISFDB after 1964 and this book is from 1976. There's a copy on Archive.org which I've added a link to in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Steve Miller: RIP ==<br />
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For those who may not have seen an announcement, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?214 Steve Miller], co-author of the Liaden Universe, et al., died on February 20, 2024 at his home in Maine. His wife, author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?418 Sharon Lee], posted [https://korval.com/2024/02/21/steven-richard-miller-1950-2024/ this obituary]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:41, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I added photo from FantLab which is a little bigger and shows his face better than Fantastic Fiction's photo. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:42, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Last User Activity ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338; What does this mean exactly? There was a question of contacting this PV RedDragonBooks about something related to a mod note I made and checking their page the last answer they gave or contribution they made was in spring of 2022 but the activity at the bottom of the record linked above says a few days ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:03, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:There are two databases: The wiki and the bibliographic database. What you see for User Contributions on their user/talk page is just their Wiki edits. What you see for Last User Activity in the verifiers' list is the date of their last activity in the bibliographic side -- the Wiki software does not know about that, only about the Wiki. That user did some verifications on 2024-02-18 but hasn't posted anything to the wiki in the past couple of years. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:56, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a quick note to clarify that the software that displays the Last User Activity date checks both the Wiki side and the database side. It then displays the latest date that it finds. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ermengarde Fisk = Evelyn E. Smith? ==<br />
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One of my friends pointed me at [https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Oopsla/Oopsla10.pdf#view=Fit issue #10 of the 'zine Oopsla], specifically page 13. The "SHORT STORIES" section says:<br />
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Third goes to another brand-new author, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1254 Evelyn E. Smith] ... is better known to fandom as the pseudonymous authoress of the "New York Letter" column in Slant--yeah, that's right, she's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?266764 Ermengarde Fiske].<br />
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As I don't know what the accuracy of fan writing was like nearly two decades before I was born, I don't know how reliable this info might be. Any objections to varianting these author records? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:49, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: We already have a pseudonym there: Evelyn Smythe (intentional corruption of Evelyn Smyth E.?) which I think is based exactly on the note you cited above. I am not sure if we have enough evidence to connect the two Evelyn E. Smith's though - while very very likely, the name is not very uncommon. Maybe add some notes to both accounts until we find a better proof that the two are one and the same? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:50, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Never mind, I looked at the fanzine itself now - you actually missed the smoking gun while quoting - that award over there is for a story that belongs to Evelyn E. Smith (Tea Tray in the Sky) - so yes, they are the same person. Connect them away. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:54, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: This is now done. Had a bit of a headscratcher with Ermengarde Fiske having its own alternate names, but I think everything is now correct, with all the authors pointing at Evelyn E. Smith as the canonical, and all of the title records having parent titles with that author record. However I wouldn't say no if someone wants to double check that everything is now as it should be. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== J. Watson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224483; What do you suggest is best to add to differ 1966 Thunderbirds artist from Leading Edge writer/artist? He's on Wikipedia so I'll add that link (as Jim Watson). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: See [[Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name]] for ideas. Looks like "James Watson (1960s)" would work here and might be more helpful than "(I)". The situation is quite similar to the Jame Cooper examples given in that bullet. In light of the disparity in volume between their bibliographies, I think you could treat the James Watson from the 1980s as "more prominent/widely known in the Spec-Fic world" and leave it with no embedded disambiguation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:04, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tem Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67830; Archived link to recently uploaded Chrysalis 9 HC just added by me in a PENDING edit, PV doesn't respond much, PB has one or two active PV so if they can verify it's Hit-and-Run there, too, not Hit-and-Miss, title should be changed. I vaguely remember asking about this long ago after noticing title was different in Tem's online bibliography. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:32, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Hole of the Pit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Uncanny_Banquet_and_Leisure; Exactly a year-and-a-half ago I asked about Uncanny Banquet and noted the rare novel contained in it; a copy of the Oleander Press edition including the novel with a short story and a poem was recently added to Archive.org so I've added a link in a PENDING edit. Still waiting for a copy of that anthology to show up somewhere...anywhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Series sort order? ==<br />
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I was looking at a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2278 page for a series] and couldn't figure out the basis for the order of the sub-series. First come the numbered sub-series, in numerical order. Then the 'loose' items in chronological order. Then come the unnumbered sub-series, which are neither alphabetical or chronological by any of their contained titles. Is there a particular order to them? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:04, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The only order that the display software enforces is as you described above: all numbered sub-series are displayed first and the rest are displayed randomly. I think it would be fairly easy to display unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: (after edit conflict) A more thorough review discovered that Summary pages were already sorting unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. I have adjusted the software to do the same on Series pages. Thanks for identifying the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Since series tend to be written in order, displaying the unnumbered titles in chronological order may make more sense. Although, sub-series wouldn't have a date and extrapolating the date from the earliest contained title would be more complex. Perhaps, numbered items followed by unnumbered sub-series followed by everything else in chronological order. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Could you please clarify what you mean by "items" in this case? Series may contain both title records and sub-series records. They use different, unrelated, numbering systems. For example, a series may contain 3 titles numbered "0.5", "1" and "2", as well as two sub-series numbered "1" and "2". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::I intended items to mean both title records amd sub-series records, either of which may be numbered. What I was suggesting is that within a series (parent), each numbered item would display based on the numbering. In your example, there would be a conflict as there are both titles numbered "1" and "2" and sub-series numbered "1" and "2". Ideally, we would never assert that both a title and a sub-series should occur first in the parent series. Clearly, numbering only applies within the parent series. I believe that for numbered "items", I am not suggesting any changes to how things currently work. I had suggested a chronological sort for the remaining items based on your now corrected statement that they were displayed randomly. Given that we're already sorting alphabetically, it's probably fine to leave things as they are, unless others think a chronological sort would be preferable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== BattleTech Universe ==<br />
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The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1991 BattleTech Universe] series and it's sub-series all list having an Issue Grid, which suggests they are Serials / Magazines. They look like books to me. Is it a mistake in the software or entry? Might the existence of one Serial in the series propagate? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:12, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yep - if there is one magazine series somewhere in the sub series inside of a bigger series, the whole set and any sunsets of it shows the grid links. It is how the software is built. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:00, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Good catch. {{Bug|842}}, "Extraneous 'View Issue Grid' links on series pages", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Database Backup ==<br />
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Can you please save the database with InnoDB utf8mb4 so accented and Chinese characters will show up correctly? As it now with MyISAM utf8, Иван Константинович Айвазовский shows up as &#1048;&#1074;&#1072;&#1085;&#1050;&#1086;&#1085;&#1089;&#1090;&#1072;&#1085;&#1090;&#1080;&#1085;&#1086;&#1074;&#1080;&#1095; &#1040;&#1081;&#1074;&#1072;&#1079;&#1086;&#1074;&#1089;&#1082;&#1080;&#1081;. It makes it hard to work with the database and makes it a lot larger than it has to be. {{unsigned|Catpoolfan}}<br />
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: For historical reasons -- the ISFDB project started in 1995 -- ISFDB tables use "latin1_swedish_ci". You can see it if you run "SELECT TABLE_CATALOG, TABLE_SCHEMA, TABLE_NAME, TABLE_COLLATION FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES" in MySQL. Non-Latin-1 Unicode characters are stored in the database as HTML entities. When you see "&#1081;" (i.e. "&#1081") displayed, that's because that's what's stored in the database.<br />
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: There are plans to migrate from HTML entities to native Unicode, but it will be a major project with a number of dependencies. There is no ETA at this time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:42, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== I Stole You ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?60942+2017; A copy of Tripping... was recently uploaded so I added a link and the stories' numbers, there's also supposedly a copy of Ringman's collection but when I saw the red hardcover I knew that couldn't be right and it wasn't; it's a copy of some old romance novel by Jane Aiken Hodge. I checked all the usual sites but can't get contents page of TP so if anyone can or owns a copy fill in the page numbers if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mandarin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905095; Is anyone familiar with Mandarin paperbacks who can say why ISBN on back cover doesn't match any other Mandarin PB on ISFDB which (almost) all start with 0-7493? This book's ISBN, 0-09, seems to have been used by Cresset per online searching but there is no mention of them anywhere in it; a couple of Cresset Editions books on ISFDB do have an ISBN which starts with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Donkerste Dag ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905146; Nico Richter has 1 credit on ISFDB for a German Neil Gaiman edition but here he's credited for design. Sheila Metzner is a famed artist and I don't know what Ortikol is so if anyone thinks any of them should be entered as cover artist they can do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:12, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shadow Regions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295434; The woman who ran the publisher whose imprint put out this anthology, Tammy Perron, apparently was a crook who didn't pay most of the authors or even give some of them copies which is detailed in the link from Absolute Write that I added some time ago. In September 2023 some mysterious person uploaded a copy on Archive.org and it was finally added a few weeks ago (I stumbled on it completely by accident) so I've added a link in a PENDING edit along with the price and the stories' numbers. Maybe it was one of the authors using their own copy because this seems a very rare book with WorldCat not finding any copies; there's only 1 sad review on Goodreads where one of the authors crows about having a story in it...little did he know. According to ISFDB only 3 of the 20 stories have been reprinted since it came out nearly two decades ago so if anyone was interested in reading it you should do so because you never know if old Tammy may crawl out of the woodwork to have it taken down. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Adam L. G. Nevill canonical name ==<br />
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I think it is time to swap the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?134040 here] to Adam L. G. Nevill. Any objections? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:18, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: We have 8 book-length works as by {{A|Adam Nevill}} and 8 book titles as by {{A|Adam L. G. Nevill}}. All books published over the last 5 years have appeared exclusively as by "Adam L. G. Nevill". SHORTFICTION: 8 as by "Adam Nevill" and 27 as by "Adam L. G. Nevill".<br />
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: Given the numbers and the timeline, I think it's fair to say that "Adam L. G. Nevill" is the most recognizable form of his name within the genre as of 2024. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:19, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Under-People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3046564; https://archive.org/search?query=the-under-people&sort=-addeddate; No reason for this to be here, it's one of dozens of junk science "non-fiction" books by Norman/Steiger published back in the day. I think it should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:52, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Collection contents question ==<br />
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When adding contents to a collection which is authored using a variant name, if there is no indication to the contrary, should all the content titles be attributed to the variant author name and then be made a variant of the canonical author name titles if they do not exist? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?804222 The Witching Hour]. The collection author is James Gunn. The copyright page shows the content copyrights as by James Gunn. The included content titles only exist as by the canonical name James E. Gunn. Should these be changed to being authored by James Gunn and then made into variants? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:28, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yes. Remove the three fiction titles, add the three new titles and variant to the canonicals. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:57, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Done. Thanks.[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:05, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hautala Covers ==<br />
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I was entering edits for Rick Hautala books, found Jacobus signature on Moon Walker so Tim Jacobus was entered as the artist; Little Brothers, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20465, has a name or initials on the lower right, can anyone find out who that is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:45, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ISFDB Server downtime -- 2024-03-06 at 6pm ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-03-06 between 6:00pm and 6:15pm EST. Both the database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:13, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Simulacrum ==<br />
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Tonight I accidentally ended up on the archived SpecFicWorld site which used to be a major hub of speculative fiction but seems to have entirely disappeared from the modern web (whatever you do, don't type specficworld.com on Google and click the link whose description is "Daftar Situs Agen Judi Slot Online Terpercaya Resmi 2023"; that will NOT lead you to what you're looking for). Only issue #9 of Simulacrum, edited and published by the guy who ran the site, Doyle Eldon Wilmoth, Jr., has an archived PDF link but while searching, as I usually do, for random text from an archived story on Google to try and find out if there are any modern sites that still include it I got one hit, the late Tanith Lee's site daughterofthenight.com, because that issue included a reprint of a story by her from Interzone Magazine. That led me to this, https://archive.org/details/@zatoichi01?query=simulacrum&sort=title, which, according to Galactic Central, is the entire 14-issue run. I rarely enter magazines but any self-moderators who don't have to wait for approval can probably do these quickly without much trouble since the contents are a mixture of reprints which will need importing and originals (or at least they're not on this site). There are many well-known authors and artists included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:59, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:I'll take a look at it and see what I can do. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:48, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:I have through issue 10 entered. I'll finish up with the remaining four later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:35, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Neglected moderation ==<br />
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Last time I changed something in ISFDB it took days to get a single non-controversial change accepted with hundreds of pending changes. Now it takes weeks with thousands of pending changes. When looking a the recent changes I see lots of self acceptance and accepted automatic changes, but only little moderator activity.<br />
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Remembering that it takes at least 4 or 5 rounds to add all information for a translated book that amounts to waiting multiple months for a single book.<br />
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If you don't want contributors anymore then say so clearly! ATM I'd wonder if you find people sticking with ISFDB for a longer time with that situation.<br />
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To give you an indication how this should go: I added a new word to Wiktionary, it took 4 minutes for first reaction and 1:15 to reach the final entry.<br />
--[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 16:31, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Longer approval times have definitely been a problem lately. Currently we have 1976 pending submissions, 1137 of them by [[User:Username]] (many are straightforward additions of archive.org links to publication records), 124 by [[User:Fixer]] (a robot account) and the remaining 715 are by other editors.<br />
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: That said, the ISFDB editing process is very different from what Wikipedia and its offshoot projects use. The latter are much easier to edit, but the quality of the end product varies tremendously. I wrote/rewrote dozens of Wikipedia articles in the mid-2000s, but eventually concluded that trying to keep articles accurate and coherent was going to be prohibitively time-consuming. I occasionally peek to see what has happened to them and their current state is pretty bad. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensheviks is full of confused nonsense.<br />
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: We added the ability to self-approve a few years ago and we are slowly expanding the number of editors who can do so. Hopefully it will help matters going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Heide Oberheide ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127989; I left a PV a note telling them that a T. Canty credit for Parke Godwin's novel Beloved Exile was actually by Oberheide so that will need fixing but another problem I found is that her page at The Paperback Palette says she was born in Canada in 1957, both very different than what ISFDB says. So does anyone know what the real info is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:48, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Found [https://www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/arts/heidi-oberheide.php this] and [https://www.arts.wa.gov/artist-collection/?request=record;id=2193;type=701 this], which both agree on 1943 and Germany and have enough differences that neither seems to be the source for the other. They both strike me as fairly authoritative, especially that first one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:23, 10 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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<div>== Archives ==<br />
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[[User_talk:SFJuggler/Archive|List of available archives]]<br />
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== Near Side of the Moon (map) ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to "Near Side of the Moon (map)". You moderator note is "Map is the exact one used in Luna: Wolf Moon and it is credited to Senior on the copyright page". Is it credited in ''Luna: New Moon'' or ''Luna: Wolf Moon''? If ''Luna: Wolf Moon'', then it should remain uncredited for ''Luna: New Moon'' and be varianted to ''Luna: Wolf Moon'' version. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:36, 21 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:It's credited in "Luna: Wolf moon" so I guess variant it. There's also this link: https://planetarymapping.wordpress.com/2016/04/20/near-side-of-the-moon-2015/.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:59, 21 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Edit rejected and varianted instead. For internal art, it should be entered as uncredited if not credited in the pub. Only cover art is credited within the pub via secondary sources. This is because we don't allow uncredited cover art titles. Another of the ISFDB oddities. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:22, 22 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::I can live with quirks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:35, 22 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May/June 2019 ==<br />
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Is the review for "Seven Doors in an Unyielding Stone" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?716360 your verified] about the [https://hedgespokenpress.com/collections/seven-doors-in-an-unyielding-stone complete series] or for each book individually? Or just for one book? If it is for the series, it will need to become an essay. If it is for the books individually or for one of them, we need to swap the name and/or just connect to the correct book. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:41, 8 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::It's a small review about the entire set followed by a review of each individual book. Let me know how you want to handle that.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:02, 10 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Well, we cannot have a review of a series in the form of a REVIEW (unless you find it in a single title anyway). So we have two choices:<br />
:::* Make it an essay.<br />
:::* Add all of the books one by one (or the ones that are eligible if not all of them are) and then split this review and create a review for each plus an essay for the complete series. <br />
::: Up to you - your verification, your choice. :) If someone disagrees, they can change it later. Keep in mind that as these are going to be chapbooks, the reviews will need to be attached to the stories, not to the chapbooks title entries. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:02, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::I'll look at the review and see if it covers all the stories and if it can be split cleanly. If so, I'll do one review for each. Probably won't happen until this weekend.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:20, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::Okay, I think I'm going to go with splitting it into reviews on each book and an essay on the set as a whole. de Lint goes on for quite some time on the set as a whole. Enough so that it warrants essay status. I'll submit the changes shortly.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:21, 24 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Any plans to add the books so we can link them? :) In the meantime, can you check the spelling of the name of the author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2601457 Black Hat] - the [https://shop.hedgespoken.org/products/black-hat-by-tom-hirons-seven-doors publisher] shows it differently. We will need to fix it on the review but a note may be in order in case the spelling is like that in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:30, 29 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Fixed the spelling of Hirons. Hadn't planned to add the books but I can go the website and get the information. Will try to do it over the weekend.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:36, 31 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: When a review is not connected, it pop ups on one of the reports :) So someone needs to add the books sooner or later. Thanks for doing it here - and sorry for the delay - was mostly off for a few days. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:01, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: I removed the essay as per your other note so all is good now. You may want to use the | format for page numbers to order the reviews on page 58 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:03, 4 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: And in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723238 July/August], can you check if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2584887 this] is really about Susan and not [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2503632 Sarah] instead? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:44, 8 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Correction submitted (as well as a page number error I caught going through it). Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:02, 10 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks! I connected the review (when the connection does not happen on the initial creation (due to a typo or a missing title for example), it needs to be done manually) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:02, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks! Glad that's over! 01:00, 14 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fire Chronicle ==<br />
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For this book you added two covers with two different authors: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?396784 Can you please specify in the pub notes why? I assume one is the inner one and one the red outer one. Correct? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] 05:18, 18 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Correct. The system wouldn't let me add an additional artist. Note update submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:36, 18 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Seven Doors in an Unyielding Stone by Tom Hirons ==<br />
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I found in Your PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?716360 The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May/June 2019] a review on page 57 "Seven Doors in an Unyielding Stone" by Tim Hirons. I tried to find that publication, but couldn't. Instead I found a series of seven books with this title [https://hedgespokenpress.com/collections/seven-doors-in-an-unyielding-stone here] edited by '''Tom''' Hirons. So can You please check the review in Your magazine what it says? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 04:58, 19 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Zapp, see 2 messages above - he is already checking on that one and figuring out how to record what we have in the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:18, 19 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::^^Discussion on this will be above. Thanks.^^[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:17, 24 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Locus1 verifications ==<br />
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Hello Jim, <br />
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You secondary verified a 2017 edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?630129 Quillifer] against Locus1. However, this specific verification is for verifications in [http://www.locusmag.com/index/ this index] and it stopped being updated in 2007. What exactly did you verify about this book and where when you marked it as verified in Locus1? Thanks! <br />
::I'll stop marking them verified in Locus1. I was marking them when they were listed in the magazine. My mistake.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:42, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, I see. Easy to mix these up. Thanks for the understanding. The stats page shows 113 Locus1 verifications to your name. If I get a list, I will post it back here - the verifications is one thing that cannot be changed from the moderators. Not urgent but one of those days we need to clean those. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:52, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::I'll update them if you post it. I want things to be accurate.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:06, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
PS: On a separate topic: the policy is to archive the messages on one's Talk page, not to delete them altogether. I will fish out the ones you deleted awhile back and set an archive page for you later today. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:38, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::My old talk pages were archived and I don't remember deleting them. I sort of wondered where they went. ;)[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:42, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::: So there may be a copy somewhere - let me see if I can find it before copying back from history and making a new archive :) PS: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SFJuggler&diff=560419&oldid=554472 this] is the update that deleted them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:52, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::: Found them and found your older archives as well - added the latest to the list and added a link to the list of them on top of the current discussion page - you may want to leave that conversation always on top. Feel free to reorganize if you prefer a different organization. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks. That works for me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:06, 21 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The self-interview thing ==<br />
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A lot of those essays are essentially interviews with questions and answers - thus the self-interview thing :) If another PV decides they want it differently, they can discuss with you. I need to dig my own copies and add the ones we are missing... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:10, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: PS: Added the series to the editor, added the disambiguation and the series to the last essay and fixed one capitalized "With" in Moreno-Garcia's essay. Will leave you to finalize the rest. Let me know if you need assistance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:13, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for the info on the self-interviews. Looking over these neither one is a question/answer thing so I'm going to leave them as essays. If someone wants to change them later for consistency's sake I'm not going to quibble.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:31, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: There is some work to be done on both magazines (reviews to be connected, some column series and so on). Let me know if you need some help with those :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
::::Yep, just been out and about all day. Just got home and haven't had a chance, yet. ;)[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:47, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::: No worries. I had been on planes and airports most of the day so just catching up as well. I will leave you to it :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:50, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Unfortunately editing the title once the review record is created will not link them. You need to manually link - go to the review page and look in the left menu. There is a "Link Review to Title" link. Click on it and link them this way. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:50, 7 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks. Didn't know that (it would have saved some time earlier this year). I was more concerned about getting the issue of F&SF into C.C. Finlay's list. The initial entry flashed an error message and said that it would be done automatically.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:02, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: If you get it right the first time and there is an exact match and only one (if an author has a story and a novel by the same name the software won't know which one to pick), it gets connected. Once the record is created, it needs to be done manually - and if the "subtitle" in the magazine is different from the one on the book, it won't matter really (although a discrepancy should be checked) :) One of those oddities of the DB. If you see the same message, can you copy the exact wording? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:11, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
(unindent) One more thing: The review goes to the story record, not the chapbook record. Think of the chapbook just as a special container we use here to record single stories - it cannot be in series, it cannot be reviewed... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:16, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:20, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: And one more - columns need disambiguation - either by a title (if there is one) or by adding the issue name. Otherwise [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?10734 this series] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20077 this series] will look absolutely useless. And I will fix the few in the latter that are not disambiguated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:19, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:20, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Magazines can be... fun. Especially our long standing ones with long series... :) Thanks for adding those by the way - we are way behind on magazines this year :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:23, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Starmont Reader's Guides ==<br />
<br />
I'm trying to find out how the cover illustrations were credited in the early Starmont reader's guides. You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226165 Fritz Leiber] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?234037 Hal Clement]. The credit as we have it now is to 'Stephen Fabian' (Leiber) or 'Stephen E. Fabian, Sr. and Stephen Fabian' (Clement). In my copy copy of the Leiber it's 'Stephen E. Fabian, Sr. and Stephen Fabian, Jr.' and I have a strong suspicion the Clement is credited that way too. Could you check these for me? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:30, 11 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Your suspicions serve you well. It is credited to both on the Clement.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:59, 13 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! One more confirmation and I'll start correcting the credits. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:02, 13 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Not sure why I didn't catch that since I entered both in my own catalog.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:25, 14 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for checking. I credited Leiber and Clement to both Fabians, and added a note to the pub series. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:37, 19 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::Glad it's fixed.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:26, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2019 ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
There are still two unlinked reviews in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?699252 verified]. I was planning to link them but the works they review are not eligible for inclusion in the DB. Do you mind if I convert these two to essays? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:27, 15 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Be my guest.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:20, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:59, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 02:00, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== A Betrayal in Blood ==<br />
<br />
This novel should probably be added somewhere under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?43271 this series] :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:31, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: And it was - I moved it though the main series is only for the originals). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:34, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'll remember that for any future entries.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:38, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: No worries, someone will move it if it is not where it belongs. As a rule, when we have new authors into an established 1-author universe (which is not a continuation like Sanderson and the Wheel of Time), we spin them into their own series - either with a parent on top or with the main series as a parent. Keeps things... cleaner. We are not always consistent but still... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:41, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::It works.22:43, 21 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Mammoth Book of Steampunk ==<br />
<br />
In comparing our record for {{P|386275|The Mammoth Book of Steampunk}} against an Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/mammothbookofste00wall scan], I found a few things that I hope you can double check for me:<br />
*p31, ISFDB credit is by Elise Tobler, but the scan shows E. Catherine Tobler on the title page.<br />
*p84, ISFDB has "Muhammed" (e) in the title, but the scan shows "Muhammad" (a) on the title page.<br />
*p306, ISFDB has "Dr." (period) in the title, but the scan shows "Dr" (no period) on the title page.<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:11, 22 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Will try to check this when I can. I'm leaving for a trip and won't be back until after the first of November.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:53, 26 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Did you ever have a chance to check this? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:44, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Have not. Trying to find it. It went back into storage and I haven't found which box it went into yet. I'm still looking.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:13, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::Since you haven't found it and the scan matches that publication record (US first printing), I went ahead and made the changes to match the scan since they are likely database typos. If you find the book and determine the scan differs, ping me and I will restore the prior version and then clone a new record for the scanned version. Thanks for looking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:21, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Da Vinci Cod and Other Illustrations for Unwritten Books ==<br />
<br />
Collections and anthologies require fiction content; artbooks and books of essays are recorded as non-fiction. I changed the type [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?743919 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:38, 9 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:19, 9 November 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== ''The Great Snape Debate'' ==<br />
<br />
Hi, I have corrected the author to 'uncredited', as we credit per what is stated on the title page (and then variant, if the real author / editor is known), and the date, since Amazon really uses the first day of a month if they dont have the exact day of publication. Thanks for that one, anyway. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:17, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the corrections. I'll send the cover.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:08, 13 November 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Egg & Spoon ==<br />
<br />
I accepted you edits to ''Egg & Spoon''. Based on your moderator & publication notes, shouldn't the cover art credit be changed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:27, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it should but it's grayed out in this one. Will have to be changed in another entry. I'm not sure where the Doug Smith attribution comes from unless they're just copying from Maguire's other books.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:30, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::Yup, I changed it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:34, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Okay. I'll kill the change I submitted, then. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:36, 24 November 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== ESB Professional ==<br />
<br />
Are you sure that we want to record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2513527 this one] this way? We credit the artists, this looks like a design/photo arrangements? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:59, 26 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Ps: That cover had a variant under the wrong name so I fixed that as well. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:01, 26 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::The cover credits the man on the cover to Knowles and the DNA strands to ESB Professional. I'll go with whatever you decide but they distinctly credit 2 different "artists".[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:07, 26 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Let's leave it like that for now - if someone disagrees, we can correct. If I were adding it, I would credit the artist and note the DNA strands in the notes only. But either way works. Thanks for correcting this one! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 26 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::No problem. If it bugs someone, I'm okay with a change.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:12, 28 November 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Nice for What ==<br />
<br />
Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2584870 this story] and its author name. Is it by any chance "Dominica Phetteplace" instead of "Dominca Phettaplace" on the title page of the story. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:41, 30 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Yes. Correction submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:30, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: So is it "Dominca Phetteaplace" (as submitted by you just now) or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162386 Dominica Phetteplace] (I have a hold on an edit that changes it do that)?<br />
:::No. "Dominca Phetteplace". The "a" was supposed to be backspaced out but it apparently didn't take. Thanks for the catch.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:35, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::: So Dominca and not Dominica? (sorry - just making sure so we do not need to keep fixing it :). And this is from the title page, correct? Can you check if the contents has the same spelling (if not, I will be happy to write the note for the situation). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:41, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::"Dominica Phetteplace" on both TOC and title page of story. I should have double-checked typing. This will be the last. I promise. ;)[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:44, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::: I will then approve the one I have on hold that sent me here asking you to check -- and thanks for checking again! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:45, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::::You're welcome. Again, thanks for the catch.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:52, 3 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Foundation and Earth - Asimov ==<br />
<br />
Hi Jim, your Limited Edition {{P|281177|here}} is in discussion at Biomassbob's page here [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Foundation_and_Earth_-_Asimov]. Perhaps you could take a look? Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 20:55, 6 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Larry Richards ==<br />
<br />
Thanks for adding the details for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?304457 this author] but I had to massage the data a bit - the format for the legal name is always "Last, First Middles" and as we are an international DB, the birthplace should always contain the country :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:50, 8 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:57, 8 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Magazines ==<br />
<br />
All EDITOR records need to have a series which will create the grid for them. Now... it may not be worth creating the yearly record when there is only one issue but we do need a series :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:05, 15 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:I guess it's a must, then. ;)[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 02:13, 15 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The indexed pieces by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205164 Charles Kurts] ==<br />
<br />
Hi, it would seem that these works should belong somewhere in the 'Star Trek' universe. Is that so, and could you add the respective series? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:09, 17 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:I've submitted a couple of them. I'll have to dig out the book to get the rest in the proper place.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:39, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:05, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::No problem! It may take a bit on the rest.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:07, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== World Tales ==<br />
<br />
I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?751445 this] by mistake - planned to hold so I can come ask if it is the same as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?446046 this]. If so, would you mind moving your PV and any notes you want and I will delete the new one. If it is different, can we add a line or two on how it is different. Thanks and sorry for the mistake. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:02, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:Yes, they are the same as near as I can tell. Here's a proposal: I'll move my notes over and combine them with the existing ones. I'll leave the contents alone. The cover I was going to upload has the included prints next to it so it's more complete than the current one so I'll upload that and we'll call it good. Let me know if this is acceptable and I'll do it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:14, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Check with the other PV about the cover maybe - just in case there are two covers actually - which may mean two different editions? Doubt it but... who knows. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:03, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::His cover is identical to mine. It would just be the addition of the 2 inclusions to the right.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:30, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::: Ah, okey then. The plan sounds good then. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:46, 21 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::I'll do the changes and submit them.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:53, 22 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::I would have preferred that as a primary verifier, we had discussed these changes before they had been made. I do see some changes that I disagree with. First the change of the title type from NONFICTION to ANTHOLOGY. Under the definition of NONFICTION on [[Template:PublicationFields:PubType|this help page]] states " A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant.". I would argue that this publication is primarily appreciations of the guests of the convention and other essays and thus predominantly non-fiction. My other concern is with the prints that were included with the publication. These are essentially interior artwork (by our definition) and I feel strongly that they should not be included in the cover scan. I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of the fair use that we assert by providing cover scans (as noted in the template) would not cover the inclusion of additional artwork from the publication which is under copyright. I'll also note that the scan is larger that our standards allow, which should be no larger than 600 pixels in their largest dimension (See [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki#Direct Upload Procedure|here]].) I believe that we should revert the image of the cover alone which is also of the proper size. I will also note that I acquired my copy of this book from the secondary market and the prints were not included. I think they probably should be listed as INTERIORART content items with the titles given. We could either leave the page number blank of enter it as "laid in" as appropriate. Please let me know if you agree. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:25, 22 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::::Ron, If you want to change the scan back, I'm good with that. I just included them for the sake of showing the complete publication. As for the change from non-fiction to anthology...I have no idea where that change came from since I never touched it. The only thing I did was copy notes in and upload the new cover. I DID create a new entry for this publication as I did not know that yours existed until anniemod pointed it out but I have put it in for deletion and it's gone.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:27, 22 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::::Thanks Jim. I've made the changes as discussed. Annie had changed it to an anthology and I assumed that was in preparation for your changes since her edit was shortly before yours. In any case, please take a look and let me know if it looks good to you. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:10, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::::: Yep - the anthology change was me - based on the faulty approval (Jim has it as an anthology as well) and the fact that it had stories. I still would call that an anthology but I am fine with it staying a non-fiction - it did not cross my mind that it is not just as simple typo. Sorry about that. :) Sounds like we are back to normal here? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:00, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::::::Works for me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:38, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Demon Dentist ==<br />
<br />
Hi, why do you want to change the publication date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4518299 Deamon Dentist]? I have the [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062417045?ie=UTF8&tag=isfdb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0062417045 Amazon.com page here], with March 1, 2016. Take care with the 'Look Inside' view, it often shows another edition.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 04:04, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:Fatigue. I was looking at the trade paper version.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:41, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Psychology of Time Travel ==<br />
<br />
Hello. We tend to record glossaries as ESSAY, not SHORT FICTION. Could you check your PV'd {{p|697547|The Psychology of Time Travel}} and if indeed it's not a short story, adjust accordingly (or conversely, add a note that notwithstanding what its title suggests, that it -is- really a short story)? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:16, 2 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:I entered them as short stories because they were "in-universe" as noted in the notes. They were not essays explaining things in the novel from the author's point of view. If they need to be changed to essays then I will go ahead and do that. I'm not exactly sure what the standard is on this. Let me know. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:30, 2 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Hi Jim, see also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Mechanismo_.26_Wyst:_Alastor_1716 here] for a similar discussion. I agree it's a thin line sometimes, but I record a glossary an ESSAY if it lists & briefly explains/clarifies terminology and (character) names. Conversely, if it does not - for example because the glossary contains extensive 'in-story' description of items, then it can be considered SHORTFICTION. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:46, 3 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::I think I'm going to go with that and remove the shortstory length as it is fiction rather than the author speaking directly to the reader outside the scope of the novel. Correction submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:02, 3 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:26, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Glad that's settled.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:57, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Dickson's ''The Dragon at War'' ==<br />
<br />
Added the Canadian cover price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38682 our verified hc]. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 01:03, 14 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:01, 19 January 2020 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Clarke County, Space - Allen Steele ==<br />
<br />
Hello Jim, you are PV for {{P|7278|this pub}}. I see that the cover art is credited to Hardy on the dust jacket. I have the Legend 1991 1st pb printing of this and so, whilst trying to sort out the art credit, I found this<br />
[https://fineartamerica.com/featured/space-art-ships-of-long-range-pioneer-fleet-julian-baumscience-photo-library.html fineartamerica.com] page showing the art credited to Julian Baum / Science Photo Library.<br />
Meanwhile, I've asked [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Clarke_County.2C_Space_-_Allen_Steele Biomassbob] if he would have a look in his copy of "Hardyware: The Art of David A. Hardy" to see if there's any reference to this work in there. I've checked Hardy's website links but this art's not there.<br />
What do you make of it all?<br />
<br />
When I do my 1991 pb edit, I will be crediting the cover art to Baum. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 12:00, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
<br />
:I don't see this image in any of the Hardy collections I can find on-line and it does NOT have his signature in the usual place (although it could have been cropped on the cover). I'm inclined to go with Baum on this. Since you discovered it go ahead and make the change on the original. I'm good with it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:19, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks Jim. I'll just wait to see if Bob finds anything before I make the change. I'll add explanation into your pub.notes too. Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 13:10, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for the catch.14:43, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
<br />
== ''As She Climbed Across the Table'' ==<br />
<br />
Hi. It would be good if you made yourself a primary verifier on {{P|3155|As She Climbed Across the Table}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:42, 17 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:Just hadn't gotten around to it after it was approved and before I had to get to work. I'm on it![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:17, 17 February 2020 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Writer's Complete Fantasy Reference: An Indispensable Compendium of Myth and Magic ==<br />
<br />
You were the last one to edit {{P|50615|this pub}} so hoping you might be able to help me. The title transliteration field has David H. Borcherding which is obviously not a transliteration. Do you know what was intended there? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:02, 23 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:Yes, that's called entering the information into the wrong field. I meant to put it into the Author1 field since Borcherding is explicitly credited as the editor on the copyright page. I can submit a correction if you want or you can just fix it. Let me know.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:36, 23 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::I've submitted a correction and it has been accepted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:35, 23 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:02, 25 February 2020 (EST)<br />
<br />
== ''Jurassic World: Special Edition Junior Novelization'' ==<br />
<br />
Hi, with this page count and the core of juvenile readers, I do suspect that the text is only of SHORTFICTION length, thus making its publication a CHAPBOOK. Do you have any word count at hand (estimates are also welcome)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:21, 25 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:I Did a quick rough count and it clocks in at around 30,000 words tops. CHAPBOOK.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 09:50, 25 February 2020 (EST)<br />
<br />
::Thanks for looking this up! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:53, 25 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:::No problem.00:34, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Cover art for ''The Other Sister'' ==<br />
<br />
Hi! We wouldn't credit a cover designer, and in this case it even would be a cover art for a nongenre publication (which we also don't index and don't upload). I have removed the cover art title and added an amazon image. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:03, 20 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Okay. The cover designer IS the cover artist in this case but whatever the rules say.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:06, 20 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Changing dates ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
When changing dates on books such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6326 this one], please make sure you change the dates of all internal titles as well. If you are just adding new titles, they will get their dates from the publication date. But if the titles already exist, they will not get changed when a pub date is changed. I fixed all the titles here (pubEdit for the ones that were only published here; one by one for the rest) but just heads up for the future. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:55, 20 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. And noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:58, 20 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Hugo Winners: Volume 4 ==<br />
<br />
Hello. A new editor wishes to update the starting page number of the first story, ''Home Is the Hangman'' by Zelazny, of the anthology that you have PV'd, from 1. to 5. - see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4633663 this submission]. Can you confirm this is actually correct? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:59, 28 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:Hello, new editor here. I apologize for overlooking any steps I should have taken. In my first edition copy, the first story appears to start on page 5. While there is no page number on this particular page, the preceding two pages (containing the 2-page introduction by Asimov) are consecutively numbered as 3 and 4. Similarly, the pages following the title page of ''Home Is the Hangman'' are consecutively numbered as 6, 7, 8,... Does this match your copy? Thanks! [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] 11:39, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::In the meantime, I went ahead and accepted Riselka's edit. Nevertheless, do let us know if there should be an issue regardless. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:11, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== War of the Worlds: The Resurrection • novelization ==<br />
<br />
: ''posted to Don Erikson; Nihonjoe; SFJuggler''<br />
Hi, You are one verifier of our only publication P{{p|53757}}. I submitted re-classification from series '''The War of the Worlds''' to series '''War of the Worlds Sequels''', based on the title note "A continuation of Wells' series, based on the TV series from the 1980s or 1990s."<br />
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On second thought I notify the active verifiers (3). If it is not a sequel, then I suggest the note needs amendment and H. G. Wells should be booked as a co-author. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:21, 29 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Already changed so no input needed.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:01, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fiction from China ==<br />
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Hello. As one of the primary verifiers of {{P|29108}}, I wanted to check-in with you about a missing short story, "Death Ray on a Coral Island" by Tong Enzheng (English translation of {{T|2394091}}), that should begin on page 97. Does this match your copy? Thanks! [[User:Riselka|Riselka]] 14:19, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Unfortunately, this book has gone back into storage so I am unable to get to it at the moment to check. I'll put it on the "to do" list.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 15:46, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Jules Verne translations ==<br />
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I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Jules_Verne_Translations Jules Verne Translations] wiki. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:08, 14 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57846 In the Year 2889] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35287 The Arbor House Treasury of Science Fiction Masterpieces] (publication)<br />
:This book has gone back into storage and is not available for quick retrieval at the moment. I will put it on the "to do" list.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 15:49, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I've been at this for 2 years and am at the stage of ticking boxes to cover off what I can. If it takes more than a month or two, please try to ping my Talk page as a reminder. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:10, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Will do. I admire your persistence.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:07, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Croquet Player ==<br />
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Hi, You verified our record of a February 1937 US edition P{{p|417007}}. Is that date stated in the book?<br> Is yours a dustjacket image? <br />
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You don't say whether the front illustration is clearly by an artist different from the credited interior illustrator Clifford Lines. What do you think of that, and also the other cover illustrations we show: P{{p|304122}}, P{{p|486889}}. (We don't report from usual sources whether the former UK edition is illustrated inside. I will check newspaper coverage.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:25, 21 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'm thinking it's a different person. The signature on the front could be "stubbs" or "suggs" or something like that but I've never been able to pin it down.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:32, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Legal Name format reminder ==<br />
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Just a friendly reminder that Legal Names should always be in "Last, First Middle(s)" format. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?263804 here] after your update :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:47, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:D'oh! Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:33, 24 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Finder ==<br />
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Hello. As you've PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?705871 this pub], I wanted to ask you if you would mind I changed the page numbering for the map from bp to [1], and correspondingly changed the pagination to [2]+391 (as that is the more common approach, and signifies the map then appear on the first page of the two unnumbered pages preceding page 1). And I wanted to add following to the notes: 'Novel ends on p.388. Acknowlegments on pp.[389] through 391, signed --Suzanne [over] NOVEMBER, 2018'? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:38, 26 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Go for it. While you're in there could you change "Amazon.com puts the publication date at 2019-04-02." to "Catalog of Copyright Number TX0008767429 puts the publication date at 2019-04-02."? The Copyright office has finally registered the copyright on this.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:21, 30 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Done! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:28, 31 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:04, 31 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hugo Movie Companion: A Behind the Scenes Look at How a Beloved Book Became a Major Motion Picture ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4672876 this book] only about the making of the movie? If so, I am not sure it falls under out Non-fiction eligibility (as clarified in the last few weeks):<br />
* Published non-fiction works about speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to published (as defined above) speculative fiction. This rule allows the inclusion of secondary bibliographies, i.e. bibliographies of bibliographies, which are two steps removed from published speculative fiction. It also allows the inclusion of non-fiction works about shared cross-media universes like "Doctor Who" and "Star Wars", but only as long as there is a plausible connection to the universe's published component. Thus a book about "Star Trek physics" can be included (because it applies to all types of media including novels) while a book about Star Trek movie outtakes and bloopers should be excluded. <br />
If I am reading correctly what the book is about, it will fall under the last category so ineligible. The second way to include it will be as a non-genre If Brian Selznick is considered above treshold - which will open the door for every book he ever did. <br />
What do you think? I will also seek other opinions but thought I start here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:19, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Probably falls into the second category even with the essays about automatons and Georges Méliès (A Trip to the Moon, etc.).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:19, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Is there any discussion on the technology inside of the novel and so on? Or is it strictly a movie book? The last two notes does make it sound like it may have enough non movie stuff to be borderline enough to get it in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:14, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::The essays about automatons and Georges Méliès still circle back to their connection with the film. I don't think it meets the threshold.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:44, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: I am trying to find a reason to let it in - as you did the work on adding it (I hate losing work done by editors) and it is from the author of the novel, it is enough in the grey area to be good to have if we can find that plausible connection (and document it so someone does not delete it next week for being non-genre) :) Even if it circles back to the film, if the novels' ideas and how they are getting implemented is covered, I will approve. As you are the only one that had seen the book, up to you. If it is indeed about the movie only, I will reject. You may also check [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Second_set_of_eyes_on_eligibility_for_a_non-fiction_submission this] for some more thoughts. At this point I am inclined to reject based on what you are saying :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::It IS by the author of the original work but other than that it's still gray area. I've had other entries reject and if it is rejected I'm okay with that. The work is not lost as I've also entered it into Open Library (OL24853605M).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:28, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Based on what you said and based on what I can find, I am going to reject it as not "plausibly" connected. These days we have a "unreject" so the decision can be revised if further discussion proves that it is indeed needed in the DB. Sorry :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:29, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::::No worries.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:14, 20 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== War in 2080 ==<br />
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Added cover art credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309951 this] from Book Club Associates edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 06:45, 7 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. Since I noted in the notes that the cover art was credited I'm not sure why I didn't put it in the listing. Oversight, I guess.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:13, 20 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Added content ... ==<br />
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... to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344732 Machine Man]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:41, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Cool.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:17, 20 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== "Farmhand" ==<br />
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I changed a review in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?758858 The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fition, January-February 2020] that you verified from a review to an essay, since the pub is a comic book and the artist is rightly not in the data base. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:18, 16 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:18, 20 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2020 ==<br />
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In Your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?758858 magazine] there is a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2738215 Review of the comic book "Farmhand"]. But there are at least two volumes [https://www.amazon.com/Farmhand-1-Rob-Guillory/dp/1534309853 #1] and [https://www.amazon.com/Farmhand-Thorne-Flesh-Rob-Guillory/dp/153431332X #2]. What do You think is the one of the review? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 14:18, 18 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The review is a general overview of the Farmhand universe/storyline. He specifically mentions Volume 2 in the third paragraph as currently being out (including publisher and price details).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:23, 20 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: JLaTondre rejected the submitted associated publication as an ineligible work (comic) and Biomassbob changed the review into an essay. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 08:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Okay.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:28, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tobias Buckell: Many Hands Lift ==<br />
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For {{T|2746792|Tobias Buckell: Many Hands Lift}}, can you please confirm the author interviewed himself? While quite possible, it is unusual so want to make sure it's not a database error. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:51, 20 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It's listed as an interview in the TOC but Buckell is the only person listed. The "interview" ends on page 65 and is by-lined as by Tobias S. Buckell. If you look at some of the earlier Locus listings you'll see that this is not uncommon, an author "interviewing" themselves. Myself, I would list it as an article but Locus lists them as "interviews".[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:31, 1 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I added a title note to avoid future questions. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:07, 1 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Works for me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:21, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A George Turner essay/review ==<br />
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May I draw your attention to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#SF_Commentary.2C_.2376 this]? Your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?243049 Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd] has an essay by Turner, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?794065 Philip K. Dick by 1975: Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said], which has been varianted by someone as a review by Turner of the same book in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399268 SF Commentary #76]. In my verified SFC76 it appears as a review (ie. "Reviewed: Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said by Philip K. Dick") and begins "One of the disadvantages of writing reviews...". Can you check if the essay in your pub is indeed the same, and if so would you prefer it listed as an essay or review? I'm fine either way. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 16:09, 22 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:This one has gone into deep storage so it won't be easy to get it back right now. But since "Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd" is a "Best of..." collection and probably contains no new material I suspect that it just a direct reprint from Commentary #76 and is most likely a review.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:27, 1 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::I'm currently verifying my copy of "Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd". I already varianted a number of the essays to their original appearance in SF Commentary. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?794065 Philip K. Dick by 1975: Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said] is indeed the same as the review in SF Commentary #76 (at least it starts with the same words). In his editor's note Bruce Gillespie states "''George Turner sums up what he sees as the direction of Dick's career by writing a long review of this book. This article is scheduled to appear in SF Commentary 44''". Apparently it had to wait for #76 to be printed. I will change it to a review. I will also add the essay starting on page 49 as "Introduction (The Android and the Human)", that appeared in SF Commentary 31 under the title "Letter to Bruce Gillespie (31 October 1972)" and some notes. Please check my changes when you find your copy again. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:31, 20 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::Looks good, Willem. Still no access to my copy, but as I said above I'm fine with it being a Review. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 08:38, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Dwarf VIII ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|784438|Red Dwarf VIII}}, but I noticed that page 60 and 61 are both "Introduction: Back in the Red-Part Three". Should that second one be just "Back in the Red-Part Three"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:03, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Yep. I'll fix it when I upload the cover.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:32, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Two from Yasser Bhajatt ==<br />
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Hi Jim, the author and publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2510028 Yaq̈teenya: The Old World] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1634885 H W J N], a new editor here as Ybahjatt, wishes to change the publisher field to "Yatakhayaloon" in these pubs, saying the League of Arabic Scifiers is just a tagline and not the name of the publisher. I've checked on Amazon Look Inside and Yatakhayaloon is present in both publications. As PV is this OK by you? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 17:04, 29 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Most definitely! Don't know how I missed that.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:53, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Simak's 'Over the River and Through the Woods' ==<br />
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Hi. Re your verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25475, is it bound in brown leather? Mine is leather-bound, but with no limitation page or Poul Anderson signature. Trying figure out if it's the standard trade edition, or something else. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:27, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:My copy is in deep storage at the moment so I cannot confirm but I don't remember anything special about the binding (that it was leather or anything). I'll put it on the list to check.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:59, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The January Dancer ==<br />
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Is the interior artwork credit in {{P|259956|The January Dancer}} only the maps as implied by the pub note? If so, then it we would add "(map)" to the title. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:22, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Fix submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:56, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cold Storage ==<br />
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Hello Jim, concerning your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4774219 Cold Storage], I wanted to confer with other moderators that cover art should not have two records if two artists contributed. Rather, it requires only one COVERART record with two artists. In addition, I standardized the INTERIORART record to just read "Cold Storage", if you want to emphasize that it's on the title page, you can say so in the Notes. Also, I've added page numbers - assuming the title page is the one page you added to the page count, and that the novel starts on p.1. Let me know if that would be incorrect. Have a look. And apologies for the delay - I totally lost sight of your submission that I still had on hold. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:32, 16 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The extra page is not the title page but a page after the end of the novel with some content (acknowledgments, I believe). As for the two different artists for the cover...they each provided a discrete photographic element that the cover designer blended to make the cover. Since they did not work together I don't believe that you can really group them as a single artist and since ISFDB lets you add additional artists I assumed that this was the accepted way to indicate that the cover was the work of more than one person. I'll be interested to see the final decision. Thanks for getting back to me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:33, 16 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: By the way, this one needs a fix too as outlined by Ron below :) Do remove the [1] from the number of pages, and add a note explaining that the Acknowledgements are on the unnumbered page [309]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:08, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== All Rights Reserved ==<br />
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I approved your edit to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?625158 All Rights Reserved]''. However, I edited it afterword to remove the notation of unnumbered pages at the end of the book. We only make this notation when there is content on those pages that has been indexed. I see in your notes that acknowledgements appear on those pages, which is content we generally don't index. Thus there is no need to note the pages in the page count. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:31, 17 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Okay.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:22, 17 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Wyndham's Wanderers of Time ==<br />
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Could I get you to check the title page of John Wyndham's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?377383 Wanderers of Time]''. I've been fixing the Coronet printings of this title where the author is credited as "John Wyndham writing as John Beynon Harris". I suspect that the title page for the Severn House is credited the same, but the Worldcat record suggests that it may be "John Wyndham writing as J.B. Harris" or even simply "John Wyndham". I've been able to verify the other printings are "writing as John Beynon Harris". I'll leave yours as simply "John Wyndham" unless you tell me otherwise. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:14, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'll put it on the list of things to check but it may be a while as it's in deep storage at the moment.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:41, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Locke - Science Fiction First Editions ==<br />
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Found a listing on Abe for a hardcover edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283652 this]. Listing description text states: Black cloth, gilt title spine. One of 49 copies signed by the author, of a total edition of 56 copies. See [https://tinyurl.com/yyc63qdb listing]. Image shows yellow dustwrapper. Any idea where the note that "Seven hardcover copies bound in black buckram with a yellow dustjacket were also produced" came from ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:35, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The Science-Fantasy Publishers by Chalker & Owings (Electronic Edition, 1999), page 786. I have submitted an updated entry and cloned it twice to make new entries for the different editions. They will show up as soon as the updated entries are accepted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:53, 18 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Edit. I posted the same query to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace RTrace] he's confirmed the situation regarding the 7 hardback copies (from Chalker & Owings same saource as you) but states there were another 49 hardback copies issued as well. Perhaps liase with him regarding how bestto deal with it. Also you removed the ISFDB cover art and replaced it with an Amazon one. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:44, 19 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::The other 49 are accounted for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?802275 here]. As for replacing the ISFDB cover art...not sure how that happened as I don't remember touching the art in any way. If you can revert it, great. If not, I can upload a new copy.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:07, 19 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Looks. good. It's fine I re-uploaded the scan from my copy - albeit a very grubby copy which somewone seems to have done some editing on. No compliants mind. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 09:16, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::There's still a problem with the 49 copies. It carried the price & format from the tpb. I've submitted a fix. I think we're good now.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:36, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Classic Science Fiction Anthology, #1 ==<br />
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A few small changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?802916 this one] - missing number of the issue and a small capitalization change (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4806136 here]). One question -- are Andre Alice North (Andre Norton) and François-Marie Arouet (Voltaire) credited exactly like that at the title pages of their stories? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:08, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:As listed in the notes ""Micromegas" credited to "François-Marie Arouet (Voltaire)" in TOC and "Voltaire" in magazine.<br />
"Learning Theory" credited to "James McConnell" in TOC and "James V. McConnell" in magazine.<br />
"All Cats Are Gray" credited to "Andre Alice North (Andre Norton)" in TOC and "Andre Alice North" in magazine.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:44, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Apparently I needed more coffee - read the note, forgot about it when posting here. Then these will need updates - we credit based on the title page of the story - so Voltaire, James V. McConnell and Andre Alice North if I understand you correctly. Then we can variant. Would you like to update them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:53, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Okay. I've submitted a cover and slight correction already. When that's approved I'll go in and update again.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:58, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Approved :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:01, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Zombies and Calculus ==<br />
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Out of curiosity, you state in the notes: ''Pages [226]-227 are an Index.'' What's on p.228 of {{p|464856 |Zombies and Calculus}} then? Also, please do not hesitate to primary verify books that you have. You do not have to wait for edits to be approved. For existing pub records, you can do that straigt away - this will let approving moderators know that you have the book at hand. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:04, 28 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:228 is also part of the index. I'll make the change.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 04:57, 29 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Bleiler 78 Verifications ==<br />
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I noticed that you have Bleiler78 verifications of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?407468 House of Cards]'' and ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425107 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425107]'' published in 1978 and 1977 respectively. Since Bleiler78 only covers publications through 1948, I suspect that you may have intended to mark OCLC/Worlcat for one or both of these. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:41, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Whoops! Both fixed.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:17, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Among the Pictures Are These: ==<br />
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Your verified {{P|724491|Visions from Brichester}} contains "Among the Pictures Are These:" (page 69). Is the ending colon actually in the book or is that a database typo? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:02, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:That's got to be a database typo. The book has been put into storage but I do not remember any title that odd while entering it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:56, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Everything's Eventual: 14 Dark Tales ==<br />
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Gonna add a note about King's having a comment re each story, if you have no objection. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 03:55, 23 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:No objections whatsoever.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:53, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== How Kank Thad Returned to Blur-Esh ==<br />
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Would you please check your verified {{P|438874|The House of Cthulhu and Other Tales of the Primal Land}} and see if the title of the story on page 23 is "...Blur-Esh" (as currently listed) or "...Bhur-Esh" (as {{T|81149|originally published}})? The two ebook versions of ''The House of Cthulhu'' use "...Bhur-Esh" per the Amazon Look Inside so this seems like a database typo vs. an alternate title. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:04, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Database typo introduced by incorrectly reading the title. It can be corrected.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:21, 8 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Island ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I cleaned up the title in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?620159 this one] - Minecraft as the series is up in the series field so per current policy, we use the short name. Feel free to add a note to the notes on exact spelling/usage on the title page and let me know if you have any concerns. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:01, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:I'm fine with that.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:43, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Self-published books ==<br />
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For Self-published books we use the name of the author as a publisher and not "self-published" :) I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819635 here]. Thanks for adding the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:39, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:40, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Harlan McGhan ==<br />
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In my experience people usually have a full name as a second name in their legal names, not just an initial. Where is the legal name [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893548 here] coming from? If you are trying to indicate that this is also Harlan P. McGhan (you just added a book by him, right?), it should be either a note or if you are sure connect them. Unless you have a source for this being the legal name? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Should just be a variation of his name.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Then let's reject the change for the legal name and make the variants and pseudonym. Let me know if you want me to do it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:01, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Go for it![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: All [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?322235 done]. Let me know if something looks askew (or just fix it) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:22, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::Perfect![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:45, 24 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== New Trek Programme Guide ==<br />
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Just fished out my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?512324 this]. My copy has "Programme" on cover, spine, back cover and title page and priced at £5.99; US$5.95; A$14.95. I'm going to amend the notes and also upload a scan from my (transient) copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:54, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Bruce Boston ==<br />
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It's me, the guy who mentioned the Brian Lumley misspelling last month which thankfully was fixed, back with another note now that I've learned how to speak directly to people instead of going through others. The Nightmare Collector, "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44689", says it was published by Two AM Publications, but all other works by this publisher are under 2 AM Publications on ISFDB. Does it say Two in your copy (if you have one) or should it be with all the others under 2? --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:45, 27 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:I have it cataloged in my collection as "2 AM Publications" as that's what was on the book itself.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:08, 27 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Piers Anthony's Visual Guide to Xanth ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4900064 this submission]: You are editing a record that states it is the third printing per number line, but you are adding a number line that indicates you have the first printing. It would seem you should be editing {{P|257640|this record}} instead. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:44, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:I put the notes there as my copy has the same SFBC number as the one indicated as the third. The 15888 number is still an unknown quantity. I can change it to the 58881 if that's what's proper. Let me know.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 09:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::You should instead edit the first printing since that is what you have. The third printing pub notes state <i>"15888" on the back cover. Locus1 reports the SFBC number as "15881". It's unknown if that's in error or for another printing.</i> The current information for the first printing is from Locus1. Since yours also has 15888, it is most likely that Locus made an error. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:13, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Original edited and submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53868 this] is of course Bob Layzell. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1857019 here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:07, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:24, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Metcalf's The Index of Science Fiction Magazines ==<br />
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I was wondering if you could check whether Norm Metcalf's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252788 The Index of Science Fiction Magazines: 1951-1965]'' has 9 Roman numbered pages at the start of the book. Nearly all of the Worldcat records have ix+249 and I suppose they could all refer to the hardcover edition that we have with that page count. I'm actually not certain whether there was a hardcover edition published by Stark, though SFE3 notes one. In any case, thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:07, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:I have removed my verification of this as I seem to have hit the wrong title. The one I have is "The MIT Science Fiction Society's Index to the S-F Magazines, 1951-1965" by Erwin S. Strauss.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:27, 11 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Cover artist on I Am Radar: Will Stahle or Staehle? ==<br />
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Hi, you're a PV on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?511968 this pub], which has cover credited to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?144694 "Will Stahle"], one of two credits that author/artist has.<br />
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However, that cover is listed [http://unusualco.com/portfolio/i-am-radar/ on the portfolio site] of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?109330 Will Staehle (with an extra e in the surname)]. Any thoughts on whether the "Stahle" is a transcription typo, or maybe a difference in ASCIIfying ä-with-an-umlaut, or if the "wrong" artist should be marked as a variant of the "correct" one?<br />
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(The other cover attributed to this artist does have a PV, but they haven't been active for a couple of years.)<br />
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Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:42, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Transcription error. Correction submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:18, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. I've submitted an alternate/variant name request for the "Stahle" record, as whilst I see that prior books in the series of their other recorded cover are credited to "Staehle" - making me pretty certain they are one-and-the-same - I don't know whether the other PVed work genuinely has a miscredit, or if it was another transcription typo. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 14:08, 14 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I suspect that most of them are typos.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:41, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Remembrance of the Daleks - needs title merge? ==<br />
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Hi, I was just looking at Ben Aaronovitch's bibliography page re. his Rivers of London series, and happened to notice a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2834638 Remembrance of the Daleks] novel that wasn't part of a Doctor Who series. Looking more closely, it looks like it's from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823903 an omnibus you PVed], but it's presumably the same content as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?10724 the standalone pubs]?<br />
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I have a very vague recollection that there might have been Dr Who TV stories that had more than one novelization - I'm pretty sure there were some that had fan novelizations that were followed much later by official ones - so I certainly wouldn't presume they are one-and-the-same, but if they are different, it might be worth explicitly flagging it up in a pub or title note?<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 08:42, 19 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:They're the same. They even have the old copyright dates on the copyright page. It needs a title merge.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:52, 21 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Novels merged. Jim, do you know if the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2834637 Introduction] is the same as the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1573395 2013] version? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:49, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I suspect that it is but I don't have access to the original to compare it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:14, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Kindle Sample to the rescue - the introduction is included in full on the 2013 one. :) The one in 2013 starts with "When Doctor Who script editor" and is dated August 2012. How does yours look like? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:22, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::That sounds like it's the same.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:24, 28 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== At the Mountains of Murkiness and Other Parodies ==<br />
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Reginald has a note for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3286 At the Mountains of Murkiness and Other Parodies]'' that it was published anonymously. Could you check the title page of your copy and see if Locke is identified as the editor? If not, we should probably change it to "uncredited" and make it a variant under Locke's name. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:27, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:He is uncredited.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:20, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for checking. I've edited the publication to reflect that it's uncredited and subsequently made it a variant back to Locke. Let me know if anything looks amiss. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:59, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::I think we're good![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:56, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== IV or VI? ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507689]; I corrected title, moderator wouldn't accept it, I provided eBay picture of title page with VI on it and said it was novelization of the 1986 movie of the same name, she still wouldn't accept it, so can you check your copy and confirm you don't have some rare variant with IV on title page and it actually says VI so record can be fixed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:16, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:I've submitted corrections. We'll see how that goes.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 04:05, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga of Recluse ==<br />
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You are a pv of several books in the series. Please look at some changes I have proposed [[User talk:Scifibones #Saga of Recluse maps consolidation|Saga of Recluse maps consolidation]]<br />
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== Index to Unknown ==<br />
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I just added Worldcat and Reginald numbers to your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249087 An Index to Unknown and Unknown Worlds by Author and by Title]''. Both those sources identify Hoffman as the author, but also note that the book was published anonymously. Could you double check whether Hoffman is actually credited in the book? If not, we should probably change the credits to "uncredited" and then variant them to Hoffman. If he is credited, then I can add a note explaining the discrepancy with the secondary sources. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:28, 3 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:That's gone into storage since I don't use it much anymore (that info is more readily available here on ISFDB). I don't think it's in too deep, though so I'll have a look for it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:32, 3 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Epoch, ed. Roger Elwood and Robert Silverberg ==<br />
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Hi, you were PV1 on the first edition of this 1975 original anthology. I just got a copy and found almost all of the page numbers listed didn't match my copy (only the intro & the first story were the same). The record was altered. Would you take a look at it and see what you think? Thanks. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 19:44, 4 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Here's what I had when I copied it right afterwards:<br />
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vii • Introduction (Epoch) • essay by Roger Elwood and Robert Silverberg<br />
1 • ARM • [Gil Hamilton] • novella by Larry Niven<br />
57 • Angel of Truth • novelette by Gordon Eklund<br />
79 • Mazes • short story by Ursula K. Le Guin<br />
85 • For All Poor Folks at Picketwire • short story by R. A. Lafferty<br />
103 • Growing Up in Edge City • short story by Frederik Pohl<br />
115 • Durance • short story by Ward Moore<br />
129 • The Ghost of a Model T • novelette by Clifford D. Simak<br />
143 • Planet Story • short story by Kate Wilhelm<br />
157 • Graduation Day • short story by W. Macfarlane<br />
171 • Timetipping • short story by Jack Dann<br />
183 • Encounter with a Carnivore • short story by Joseph Green<br />
199 • Lady Sunshine and the Magoon of Beatus • novella by Alexei Panshin and Cory Panshin<br />
245 • "... For a Single Yesterday" • novelette by George R. R. Martin<br />
269 • Bloodstream • short story by Lou Fisher<br />
283 • Existence • short story by Joanna Russ<br />
293 • Interface • novella by A. A. Attanasio<br />
341 • Blooded on Arachne • [Glaktik Komm] • novelette by Michael Bishop<br />
365 • Leviticus: In the Ark • short story by Barry N. Malzberg<br />
379 • Cambridge, 1:58 A.M. • short story by Gregory Benford<br />
405 • Run from the Fire • novelette by Harry Harrison<br />
437 • Waiting for the Universe to Begin • [The Aperture Moment • 1] • short story by Brian W. Aldiss<br />
447 • But Without Orifices • [The Aperture Moment • 2] • short story by Brian W. Aldiss<br />
455 • Aimez-Vous Holman Hunt? • [The Aperture Moment • 3] • short story by Brian W. Aldiss<br />
463 • Nightbeat • short story by Neal Barrett, Jr.<br />
469 • Uneasy Chrysalids, Our Memories • short story by John Shirley<br />
489 • The Dogtown Tourist Agency • [Miro Hetzel • 1] • novella by Jack Vance<br />
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Does this match yours?[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 20:39, 4 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: No, your pages do not match mine. I have reverified all info from my copy, which appears to be a first edition, although it is not stated on the copyright page. This is what the copyright page does state: Copyright 1975 by Robert Silverberg and Roger Elwood. / All rights reserved. This book, or parts thereof, may not be reproduced in any form without permission in writing from the publisher. Published simultaneously in Canada by Longman Canada Limited, Toronto. / SBN 399-11460-2 / Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 75-29511 / Printed in the United States of America (caps & lines not reproduced exactly here). The front flap has the first edition's price ($10.95) & month of publication (7511). This is not a book club edition, but a publisher's edition. Unless it was altered between printings without being noted, I am not sure why there is a discrepancy between the page numbers of your copy & mine. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 07:54, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I checked the scan of the copyright page & table of contents you referred me to online & it appears to me to be the SFBC edition. The pages you listed correspond to the SFBC edition that appears here on ISFDB. The scan of the copyright page removes some data I noted on the copyright page of my edition, consistent with what the Doubleday book clubs removed from their editions in that period (e.g., no SBN, no LCCN number). If you have the dust cover of the your copy, does it list the price as $10.95 & publication date of 7511? SFBC would have removed that. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 08:09, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Series and chapbooks ==<br />
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When a story belongs to a series, you need to add the story to the series, not the chapbook (this is why it is greyed out in the chapbooks) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:39, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Yeah, I knew that. I was just braindead yesterday (it was the weekend). ;) 14:46, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Magi'i of Cyador and Scion of Cyador ==<br />
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Would you mind checking [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21083 Magi'i of Cyador] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29236 Scion of Cyador] and let me know if they are first printings? If they are, I would like to add a couple notes. If they are a later printing, I will add a pub record for the first printing. Thanks for your help, John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 07:23, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, they are first printings. I'm much more detailed and explicit in my notes nowadays but these were early on.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:47, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Jim, I rearranged some of the notes along with a few additions and one correction. If you are not happy with anything, let me know and we can change it. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:12, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I don't see any problems.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:34, 7 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Child of Time ==<br />
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Just added one note and BL to {{p|6809|Child of Time}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 10:02, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:53, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Goblins of Labyrinth ==<br />
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I rejected your rename because as it turns out only the Holt Hardcover does not have "The" (see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#The_Goblins_of_Labyrinth this for the paperback]) - so it is not US vs British thing. Now - one wonders if the HC really missed the "The" or if this is an early cover (and the title page maybe had it?). In anyway - as it is one without and 3 with The, the one without should be split and varianted instead of the whole work losing the "The". When there are PVs on some versions, please talk to them in such cases - even if it appears to be an obvious US vs UK thing, sometimes things are weird and not that clear cut. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:36, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Okay. Was working from covers. Glad that it's cleared up now.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:30, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Covers are a good way to work but keep in mind two things:<br />
::* Cover reusing like here (two editions with the same link)<br />
::* Amazon covers from the /P/ subspace - these are based on ISBN so they change. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:23, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Furious Gulf ==<br />
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Very minor edit to {{p|14847|Furious Gulf}}, just added a note that there is a two page Afterword. Hope you're okay with that. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:41, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:If it makes it better/more complete then it's great.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:39, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sailing Bright Eternity ==<br />
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Just added a design credit to {{p|28746|Sailing Bright Eternity}}. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:06, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thank you![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:40, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Foundation's Fear ==<br />
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just adding jacket design credit and LCCN to {{p|14467|Foundation's Fear}} John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 15:32, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Also merged in the Afterword<br />
::Thank you![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:40, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== What do you prefer? ==<br />
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Jim, Couple of quick questions.<br />
# In light of the discussion on the rules and standards board regarding cover designers, it is triggering minors edits on most of the books I am verifying. What do you prefer?<ul><li>One post and I will keep adding links to that post? <li>I only notify you if something more substantial is being changed? Adding a title, changing something other than the notes, etc.? <li>Keep doing what I am doing?</ul><br />
# Thank you for indirectly pointing me to a valuable resource. I never considered using US copyright documents for dating and attribution. I saw one of your edits, was intrigued, now I use it myself. Have you found a similar method to access UK copyright? I have not.<br />
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Hit me up anytime, [[User talk:Scifibones|John aka Scifibones]] 09:09, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:John, 1 post and add is fine. I like to know what I missed so that I can add it to my personal collection database.<br />
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:In my current edits I'm trying to add in the editor, book designer and cover designer as well as the cover artist and any internal art credit.<br />
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:As for the UK copyrights...according to https://www.gov.uk/copyright "There isn’t a register of copyright works in the UK." There is a private service that you can pay to register works for a limited time (https://copyrightservice.co.uk/) but this is between the fee-paying client and the service and appears to be mainly for possible litigation purposes. It is not searchable that I can see. I've pretty much had to settle on Amazon UK for publication dates but they're a bit sketchy if you go back beyond about 2010.<br />
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:I'm trying to find something similar for Canada, Australia & other English-speaking countries.<br />
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:For the US, I use this page: https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First<br />
:For copyrights before 1978 I use this page and search individual years: https://books.google.com/googlebooks/copyrightsearch.html<br />
:Thanks for the updates and I hope some of this helps. I'm always open for new resources to check if you find any.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:47, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I have been using the same website for post 1977, good tip on google. Apparently, all UK materials are automatically granted intellectual property protection by their very creation. That must be why they don't have a specific document we can search. [[User talk:Scifibones|John ]] 12:36, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::That's true in most countries. You do not have to register a copyright. It's yours as soon as you create the work. Where registering comes in is when there's a dispute. If you've registered the copyright you have proof of the date from a third party. I think that swings more weight in a court case. For our purposes it's great since we have the date directly from the publisher. But if you've spent any time wandering around you'll see there are some publishers that are very lax registering. Tor comes to mind as they seem to drop the ball for a year or so and then remember to start up again. Rinse, repeat...<br />
::On the pre-1978 listings you have to remember to pad out the "A" numbers to 11 digits to make it consistent with the post-1977 numbers (if you look at the renewals you'll see that they list the old numbers padded out).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:57, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Epoch ==<br />
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Seems like we may have two different editions [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?152061 here] - as the two PVs seem to have very different page numbers. I will point the other PV here so you two can figure out who has what... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:47, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:See message about 8 above this one.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:25, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#Epoch.2C_ed._Roger_Elwood_and_Robert_Silverberg This one]. Apparently Mike did not see your note and this never got solved because I have somewhat of a contradicting set updates (one approved a few days ago, you restoring back). So let's figure this one out. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I will defer to whoever can pull an actual copy first. Mine is in storage right now. The listing in the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#Epoch.2C_ed._Roger_Elwood_and_Robert_Silverberg message above] is what was in the database when I PVd it. I haven't got a clue where the other page numbers come from. :)[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:12, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Apparently from Mike's copy - he changed them on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4950568 2021-03-31]. Which tells me that we have two different books here or one of you got weird numbers somehow... Let's wait for him to come over so we all can get to the bottom of it. That cover looks very familiar - I may even have a copy somewhere as well. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:27, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'll wait. The copy I got was from a J.K. Gill store in the late '70s. Definitely NOT a book club edition.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:20, 20 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hunger ==<br />
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Why does this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131564, give Robert as an alternate name? Fantlab's copy of The Hunger, fantlab.ru/edition151452, clearly shows it as Ronald, and this copy of the Intruder, picclick.com/The-Intruder-First-Edition-By-Charles-Beaumont-252241790498.html, does too. Also, there's much discussion in the note for The Hunger about how the date was verified as 1958-04-23, but date at top still says 1957. I may be wrong but I think someone erred. As you PV'd The Hunger I'll ask you, but moderator "Kolchak" who PV'd The Intruder hasn't been around since 2014. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:39, 21 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Robert? I don't know how that got there. I have Ronald in my personal database and that's the only one I know. As for the publication date...that's the date that the publisher declared as the date of publication when they registered the copyright with the US Copyright Office. It still says 1957 at the top because no one has changed it since the original unverified entry was made. I'll submit a correction when I get home...for the "Robert" also. Hope this answers your questions.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:20, 21 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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It does, cheers, mate; this issue is now dead, Jim. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:40, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Cool. The fixes are submitted but haven't been approved yet.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 09:55, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Minor edits to verified publications ==<br />
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Added jacket design credit, fixed a minor HTML typo [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25179 Orion and the Conqueror] John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:44, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Added jacket design credit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25177 Orion Among the Stars] John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:53, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 18:42, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Made some changes to the notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?649991 Origin]. The changes have to do with Cover Art credit. I am submitting an edit to remove the present Cover Art credit based on the new notes. I hope you will agree with my changes. [[User:Scifibones|<font color="blue">John <small>Scifibones</small>]] </font color> 10:47, 30 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Can't see what the changes are but I'll take a look when they're implemented.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:00, 1 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Saw the changes. Notes are good but just curious...why remove them from the cover artist field? Rosmi Duaso and Birute Vijeikiene are both legitimate, working photographers and so I would think they qualify for inclusion (but I've missed some of the finer points of include/not included before).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:39, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::There is an extensive discussion of this very point [[Rules and standards discussions #When is a cover designer the cover artist ?| Here]]. If you disagree with my position, you can submit an edit to restore it. This discussion is why one of the moderators asked me to include jacket design credit in all the pubs I verify.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]]11:49, 10 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Added jacket design credit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533090 Gatefather] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:42, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:39, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Jim, While verifying [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?292694 Chanur's Venture] I noticed you credited the map as "Chanur's Venture" interior artwork David Cherry (as variant to his full name David A Cherry). Question, should we rename this "Map of Compact Space" and variant it to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?563473 Map of Compact Space]? I know this is picky, but, your edits are so good you only leave me these minor items to leave my fingerprints on. I also added -- signed "Victoria ©84" on back -- to your cover art credit. Thoughts? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:16, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I went ahead and submitted this merge and edit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:53, 17 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I added several notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18263 Inheritor]. I am also proposing to merge the map. Please take a look and leave your comments. [[User Talk:Scifibones #Foreigner Map Consolidation|Foreigner Map Consolidation]]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]]15:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I added a number of notes and ext ID's to one of your early edits, also changed to HTML [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39351 The Experiment]. Couldn't decide if we should add a cover credit. I was thinking it should be Brett Simms, what do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:20, 24 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Looks good.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:34, 26 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Changed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1680878 this title] from 'Down With Virtue!' to 'Down with Virtue!' contained in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436547 Still More Lecherous Limericks] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:45, 11 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Terminator 2 ==<br />
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I changed title to Judgment Day in this after seeing the archive.org copy, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48430; my edit's on hold while I check with you to make sure it's spelled without the extra "e" in your copy, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:35, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Just a typo on my part. You're correct.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:25, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Plexis ==<br />
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What is in the ToC really doesn't matter. What you should do is say something in the notes to the effect that the principle author added short pieces between the stories written by others to connect these separate stories into a single narrative. All those little pieces really don't merit being listed in the contents. The author may want to emphasize them to boost her own ego, but they really mask the character of the pub, which is a series of related shortfiction by a number of different authors. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:15, 28 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I'll re-key a "toned-down" version of the entry this weekend.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 09:55, 29 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ballard's Love & Napalm ==<br />
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When you have a chance could you check the title page of J. G. Ballard's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20838 Love & Napalm: Export U.S.A.]''? I see that our title matches the cover title, and agrees with Contento1. However, all of the other secondary sources have the title as "Love and Napalm: Export U.S.A." so I'm suspicious that we don't the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 12 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I'll check it when I can find it. It's in storage at the moment.21:34, 22 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Psychology of Time Travel ==<br />
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You verified a copy of <i>The Psychology of Time Travel</i>, 1st US edition P{{p|697547}}. Concerning item 9, "Copyright page lists the cover designer as still to come." On that page I see "Cover design by TK", which I suppose to be someone's initials. Is that an abbreviation?<br />
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I submit change of item 10 wording and new, penultimate item 11 that covers the two-page gap 337-38. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:01, 20 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:It probably IS someone's initials. I'm so used to see TK used in proofs and other stuff that I blindly read what I expected to be there. Good catch.21:36, 22 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ron ? ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2482880; I think it's Ron HAYDOCK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:18, 10 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Yep. Typo. Thanks for the catch. I'll submit a fix.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:07, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hallucination Orbit ==<br />
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In your PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16284 Hallucination Orbit], the introduction is qualified by the title, but the Notes are not. They are qualified in the translation, so I was wondering if there any particular reason? (I'm cleaning up Asimov's non-fiction and ran across this oddity) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:18, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No known reason. Go ahead and clean it up. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:11, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Feghoot LXIX ==<br />
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Hi SFJuggler<br />
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While importing Feghoots from your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37411 copy] of ''The Compleat Feghoot'', I noticed that Feghoot LXIX appears to be a limerick and I think we should probably change it from a story to a poem. I'm going to check with other active verifier. I see you haven't checked in for about a month, so I'll probably go ahead and change this if the other verifier agrees. If you see this later, and disagree, we can revisit the question. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:56, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Go ahead and fix it. I haven't checked in due to a dead computer and a series of bad replacement parts. I'm back now. No complaints about changing it. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:12, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover Art by uncredited ==<br />
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Just a reminder that when the cover art cannot be assigned to an artist, we leave the field empty and do not use uncredited as with all other types. I pulled it out from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?752078 here]. I also fixed the title record - you added the author to the publication but not to the title record - once created they both need to be updated :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:20, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. Hangover from my own personal database where there is "uncredited" in the field.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:48, 11 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ready Player One ==<br />
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Fixed the date for the Locus issue in your notes [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?355035 here]. The September 2012 statement in the existing note was for when our record was added (dating the time we pulled information from Amazon basically), not when the Locus issue was from. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:56, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thank you![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 21:50, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, September/October 2019 ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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For F&SF September/October 2019, you are the original PV. See http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?738088 <br />
I see a title " Films: Love Death + Some Regression", an essay noted as by "Karen Lowachee".<br />
I deeply suspect the author name is a typo, and the author should be "Karin Lowachee". The Amazon kindle preview notes "Karin Lowachee".<br />
"Karen Lowachee" has no other titles in ISFDB, but "Karin Lowachee" does, and they appear in F&SF also, of a similar type.<br />
If this is OK with you, I'm going to submit a correction here. I'll review my notes, but I think this kind of correction where there is really one author and not two requires the use of MakeVariant.<br />
Thanks for entering this into the DB.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:19, 19 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:You're correct. Muscle memory during typing, maybe? Thanks for the correction.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 15:07, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Neither Man Nor Dog ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361030; Entered remaining #'s using search on Google Books; curious where you entered your partial #'s from. Was it an actual copy? I only found 1 copy on eBay, and the seller photographed the contents page badly. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:35, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:I have an actual copy. Not in great shape but the only one I could find. Not sure why I only entered partial.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 20:43, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Kersh's ''Neither Man Nor Dog'' ==<br />
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Could you drop by [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Pounds_or_Dollars here] and maybe help out with some page numbering of this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361030 verified pub]? Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 09:54, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Edit's been approved; I think I got all numbers in order correctly, but of course you can never be 100% sure if stories actually start on the same page as listed on contents page, so if you or anyone reading this can locate an actual print copy that issue can be addressed. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:12, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Magazine ASIN ==<br />
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I added the amazon ASIN to {{P|699145|The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 17:22, 15 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 15:39, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Expanded Universe ==<br />
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Would you mind looking at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12812 Expanded Universe] and double check the title page? Based on this [http://www.heinleinarchives.net/upload/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=404 Heinlein archives article] I suspect it actually has "Expanded Universe: The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein" on it just like the trade paperback edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291733 here] I just corrected. I have unmerged the tp edition and am getting ready to variant it but before I do, I would like to know about your hardcover edition title since it makes a difference on which name is the variant. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:03, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. Subtitle on the hardcover is "The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein".[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:35, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks! Do you want to change it or shall I? Are you comfortable doing the necessary unmerge from title, title merge (of the replacement title), and variant steps or would you like me to handle them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:54, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Go ahead.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 11:51, 31 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spelling check: The Viscious World of Birds ==<br />
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Can you check the spelling [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2660935 here]. Both the author site and [https://www.sfsite.com/fsf/toc1911.htmthe SF site] have it as Vicious. Is it really Viscious in the magazine? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 6 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Typo. It's "Vicious".[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:02, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Gahan Wilson Cards ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1454079; I added interior art by Gahan Wilson since the cards' covers are by him. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:50, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Makes total sense. ;) [[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 20:44, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Out There ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?591717; You were the last editor to work on this and left a note to mod saying "more later". That was in 2019; there's a note in the record itself saying contents incomplete and another saying to remove that when they are complete. So are they complete or did you really have more to add? --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:13, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:There is more to add but circumstances prevented me from getting back to it in a timely manner. As soon as I can re-locate the book I will complete it. The entries remaining to be entered are illustrations, the stories are complete.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:36, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Raiders Date ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279039; Is the date supposed to be 1981, not 1982? --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:31, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yep, you're right. Fix submitted. Good catch.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:00, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The dates for cover and interior art, and the regular title for the book, still say 1982. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:31, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / Proven Guilty==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?90361 Proven Guilty]. I will add Canadian price, some notes and the Author's Note to the Contents. No changes to the existing information. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 07:24, 22 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The A-Z Guide to Babylon 5 ==<br />
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Would you mind checking your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34954 The A-Z Guide to Babylon 5] and see if the last printed page number is 309 with the single following unnumbered page being Appendix VI? That would make the page count 310, not 320+[8]. I don't think the unnumbered photo pages should be in the count either. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:28, 22 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:The 320 is a typo on my part. It should be 310.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:30, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / White Night==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?90371 White Night]. I will add the Author's Note to the Contents and an explanatory pub note. No changes to the existing information. I'm spotting a trend here (see my note re Proven Guitly above). I will add the Author's Note (where applicable) to all succeeding 1st ed hc's of the Dresden Files series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 11:15, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Works for me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:30, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Link to: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction==<br />
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As you have PVd a Jim Butcher Dresden Files collection, you might be interested in this topic: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Series_Number_of_Dresden_Files_short_fiction Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction]. If you have any comments, suggestions or objections then please post them to this topic on the Community Portal so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thank you. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 09:47, 4 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you. Will keep it in mind on any future edits.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:54, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, September/October 2019 ==<br />
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I changed the title 'Haldstead IV' to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2627431 Halstead IV] in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?738088 The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, September/October 2019] while entering the 2020 Rhysling Anthology. The anthology Acknowledgments, SFPA website, and FictionMags Index all show 'Halstead IV'. Does this agree with your copy? If not, I'll change it back and variant the title. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:19, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:"Haldstead" was typo. It should be "Halstead".[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:59, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Night People ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191773; it's Mary Anne Shea on back flap of Book Club Edition on Archive.org; can you check to see if yours really says Ann, and fix if not? --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:34, 23 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
;Not able to access this book right now (deep storage). I would go with the book club edition as they don't typically re-typeset these.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:10, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Preface for Fantastic Voyage ==<br />
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Hi! I just wonder if Klement's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2973286 preface] was already part of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204649 your verified]? Do you mind looking it up? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:47, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Book is in deep storage so I can't access it right now. I don't recall seeing any preface in it when I read it but that was quite a while ago and the preface is very short so don't trust my memory.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:15, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Grip of Terror ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18059; changed intro from xi to ix based on Archive copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:12, 27 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Not sure what copy you're looking at. [https://archive.org/details/conklin-groff-ed.-in-the-grip-of-terror-lenny-s-exciter/page/xii/mode/2up This copy] has xii for the intro which is what's in the record.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:07, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Same copy, and it says ix on contents page and does start on ix, as can be seen since this is a fully readable copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:31, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry, we're talking about two different things. You're right, it does start on page ix. I was thinking page count of Roman numeral pages. I'm fuzzy this morning but now we're on the same page (pun intended).[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:37, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Richard Larson's Datafall ==<br />
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Hi Jim -<br />
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Could I get you to verify whether the title Datafall on page 230 in Richard Larson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?683562 Tomorrow Factory]'' is in fact a poem. There's a note on the title record which states "Also published in poem form in Strange Horizons, November 2013". I wouldn't question it, but the use of the word "also" makes it sound like there is a prose version as well as a poem. I'm asking because I'm adding the French translation and my secondary sources list it as prose. If there are actually two different forms of this title, I think we should probably split them as two title records. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:48, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Apologies for intruding, but I have the ebook of Tomorrow Factory that I've been too lazy to PV. I have just pulled it up on my Kindle though, and I can confirm that it's prose, and (for the first few lines at least) covers similar conceptual material to [http://strangehorizons.com/poetry/datafall/ the poem at Strange Horizons], but is not the same text. As such, I'd agree with splitting them. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 19:32, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: EDIT: Here's [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=si_0DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT228&lpg=PT228&dq=%22the+flock+of+machines+dipped+and+slid%22&source=bl&ots=arLsu0QWEr&sig=ACfU3U0fLzxNWqFtGFwK3h0pQMhe1gucVA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx0sK8_cH3AhXObsAKHb24BAUQ6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=%22the%20flock%20of%20machines%20dipped%20and%20slid%22&f=false a Google Books extract] of the end of the prose version, for reference. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 19:36, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: EDIT#2: The publication credits section at the end of Tomorrow Factory states: '"Datafall," original published in poem form in Strange Horizons, November 2013. Revised and published in its current form in Datafall: Collected Speculative Fiction (2012, self-published).' [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 19:46, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I've gone ahead and split the titles with cross references to each other in the notes. Please let me know if this looks OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:54, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Looks good to me. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:35, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Best of Frank Herbert ==<br />
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For your information: The ISBN for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35782 this] has been printed on the copyright page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35766 The Best of Clifford D. Simak] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:39, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Indy Artist ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18188; Struzan to Struzman per Archive copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:54, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Yep. Typo. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:04, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cardography ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5334151 this submission]: Please discuss changes with [[User:Mavmaramis]]. Despite the user's banner on their talk page, they have been active lately. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:38, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Okay. Note made on their page.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:52, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dreaming Jewels ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212329; FantLab ID and pub. series (Corwin) added. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:18, 7 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:FYI, my copy has different metallic colors on cover, so submitted an edit to note the variant. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:01, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Psycho II ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26028; About your PV of the Warner edition; the later 1982 edition is on Archive.org and says Franco Accanero on copyright page, which is only on ISFDB for the 1984 Finnish edition. So if yours says differently some fixing might be necessary, merging, variants, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:45, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:My copy is in deep storage but I'll bet it says "Franco Accanero" just like the released copy you referenced. They would not have gone back to press just to fix a typo like that.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:45, 11 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Larry Niven / Niven's Laws ==<br />
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I am PVing and editing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233229 Niven's Laws]. I have come across some issues with the Contents.<br />
<br>A)<br />
<br>For several of the entries, the titles in the book's TOC on page vii differ from their titles at the start of the entry. The ISFDb records them correctly in the Contents but I will add a pub note about the following TOC discrepancies:<br />
<br>1 Introduction (omits ": Larry Niven by Jerry Pournelle")<br />
<br>9 Assimilating Our Culture, That's What They're Doing (omits exclamation mark)<br />
<br>24 Green Marauder (omits "The")<br />
<br>81 If Idi Amin Had Had the Bomb (omits ellipsis & see point B) below)<br />
<br>84 The Roentgen Standard (omits "Yet Another Modest Proposal:")<br />
<br>89 Why Men Fight Wars and What You Can Do About It (omits comma and exclamation mark)<br />
<br>B)<br />
<br>The entry on p81 is:<br />
<br>If Idi Amin Had Had the Bomb ... (on its title page)<br />
<br>If Idi Amin Had the Bomb ... (in ISFDb)<br />
<br>If Idi Amin Had Had the Bomb (in TOC - omits ellipsis)<br />
<br>I will change the title in ISFDb, add pub note, sort this out.<br />
<br>C)<br />
<br>The entry on p87 is a bit trickier. It's not really an essay titled "In Memoriam ...", it's a poem titled "In Memoriam: Howard Grote Littlemead" with an introduction titled "In Memoriam ..." I'm not entirely sure how to resolve this. I don't think the introduction merits a separate Contents entry so I'd prefer to change the title to "In Memoriam: Howard Grote Littlemead" (which is also how it appears in the TOC), change the Type to Poem and add a pub note about the Introduction. What do you suggest?<br />
<br>[[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:33, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I'm inclined to go with that and just make an indication in the general notes that there is an introduction since the poem is the real content here.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:48, 3 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Batteries Not Included ==<br />
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Hi SFJuggler<br />
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I've just added some secondary verifications to your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?195449 Batteries Not Included]''. I see that Worldcat, The Library of Congress and Goodreads have the title as we do. However, Clute/Nicholls, Reginald and Locus1 all have the title as ''*Batteries Not Included''. The asterisk is definitely on the cover. Could you check the title page and see if we should adjust the title to include the asterisk? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:41, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventures in the Space Trade ==<br />
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I've just done some secondary verifications on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?336254 this publication]. It occurs to me that perhaps we should title this as we do for Ace Doubles, i.e. "Adventures in the Space Trade / A Richard Wilson Checklist". Do you have thoughts on whether we should make such a change? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:43, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Works for me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:23, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Jurassic Park: The Gift Edition ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?389570; I added the day (24) to the date based on OL and added a link to a newspaper article from that date which has a blurb about the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:01, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. Heading over to read the article now.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:25, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Songs of the Etonic ==<br />
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I added the content title and set the juvenile flags for your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?902912 Songs of the Etonic]. Remember, the CHAPBOOK is merely a container! Please set the length [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3056567 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:49, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:08, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Robert L. Forward / Timemaster ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51657 Timemaster] and have corrected the numberline from 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 to 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:40, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Limericks ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?432439; I added OL ID link to the copy on Archive.org and added the few page #'s needed, but why are the contents called poems? Aren't they many poems by both authors, not single ones? --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:59, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, it's a collection of 144 poems by each of them but they are not listed separately so ISFDB lists it as "poem" singular. That's just the way it is. There's no provision anywhere to designate a plural.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:44, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead Roses For A Blue Lady ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?271911; A few tweaks. The interior art has 2002-10-00 date instead of 2003-10-00, the catalog ID should have a space between letters and numbers like other White Wolf ID on ISFDB, and the publisher is an imprint of White Wolf Publishing, so it should be Two Wolf Press / White Wolf Publishing so that it will be the same as the other 4 books on ISFDB by that publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:57, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Master Storyteller ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?111521; I fixed the page count, making it the same as in WorldCat, and added the preface by Freas and OL ID link to the Archive.org copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:17, 10 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Claremont Tales ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7269; I added Luminist PDF to the first volume, but interior art has no date and number of copies mentioned at back of book wasn't entered, as PV usually do when that info is available. Also, shouldn't interior art be in the other edition, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:48, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:This was a very early PV of mine before I got much more detailed (as I am now). Go ahead and enter what information you want. My copy is in deep storage at the moment.18:25, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Spook page count ==<br />
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Hello, Jim. If possible, would you check your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31821 this book] and confirm it has 234 pages, not 197? --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 01:58, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Not sure where 197 comes from. I have 234 in my records as does Open Library and the Library of Congress. I'll submit a fix.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 01:55, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I think it comes from Locus1. Thanks for your help! [[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 03:20, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::No problem.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 00:52, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Waterworld ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188829; I added to your 2014 PV the OL ID link to the Archive copy, which was uploaded in 2010, and changed the page count to 324. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:02, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. The 321 had to be a typo. 324 is what I have in my records.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 22:06, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Marblehead ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410511; I added OL ID link to Archive.org copy, but the Tucker essay in a later edition originated here in the edition you PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:49, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thank you.17:01, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Steel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357947; I added an Archive.org link to your PV, but the LCCN is actually for the other edition, which I just did an edit for (fixing the title, adding the real cover, which is the same as the PB (one there now had placeholder art, as mentioned on the cover), adding TP as format, and adding LCCN & WorldCat ID); the PB has no LCCN record but it does have a WorldCat, https://www.worldcat.org/title/755894234?tab=details, in case you want to fix that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:42, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Thank you. I'll submit it when I get a chance.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:52, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::I see your edit was just approved. You may want to remove your note about LCCN since that ID isn't there anymore. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Done.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 22:08, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Synopsis sources ==<br />
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When copying the synopsis from somewhere (publisher, the book itself, a review, Amazon and so on), the source needs to be mentioned in the field. See how I did it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3102626 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:40, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Okay.01:19, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / Beyond Lies the Wub ==<br />
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The pub record for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4328 Beyond Lies the Wub] has ISBN 0-88733-052-5 which is for the limited edition set. It should have the trade edition ISBN: 0-88733-053-3. Do you agree? If so, I'm quite happy to submit the correction. Let me know if you would like me to or whether you'd rather submit it yourself. NB: the records for volumes 2-5 have the correct trade edition ISBN. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Good catch. Go ahead and submit away![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:51, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Time Machines ==<br />
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Can you double check the notes for {{P|923016|Time Machines}}? I assume "Cover art not and there is no visible signature" is missing "credited" after the "not". Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:58, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:You're right. Fix submitted along with the cover scan.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 12:05, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Distress Call ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10274; I've got a pending edit which adds an exclamation point to the title, adds interior artist John Speirs, and adds link to Archive.org copy from November 2010. All good? EDIT: Also, https://archive.org/details/startrekiishorts0000rots, which you also PV but no page numbers were entered; they're in this copy in case you want to enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I'm good with the additions.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:47, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== I, JFK ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404677; Archive.org copy uploaded in 2011, before your 2012 PV, I added a link and LCCN ID, also added afterword on p. 262, copy is missing title page, just checking that yours has one and says E.P. Dutton because when you search for "Dutton" in the copy it gets nothing but searching for E.P. finds "E.P. Button" on the copyright page even though it clearly says Dutton; E.P. Dutton is also on back flap but it doesn't find that because it's faded and can't be seen by the search engine, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:50, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== British library external ID ==<br />
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When adding a BL number, you need to drop BLL01 from the start if you have the number starting with it. More details [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here]. I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253596 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:03, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Noted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 20:02, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cellars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186029; Neil Slovin is credited in R. Laymon's The Cellar; you or someone else wrote a note about this book's cover artist coming from Paperbacks from Hell but like a lot of other stuff in that book it's wrong. Slovin had nothing to do with this book; title is just similar which probably led to the error. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I'll assume that you're correct since I don't have a copy of "Paperback from Hell" and did not do the cover credit. Go ahead and remove the credit.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 02:32, 26 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Author Birthplace ==<br />
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When adding an author's birthplace, please remember our [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace guidelines]. I added 'USA' [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?258209 here] and changed 'United Kingdom' to 'UK' [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?174187 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:15, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I'll try to remember that. I think this is the first one I've done.01:14, 30 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Deathport ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5557227; Someone just uploaded this hard-to-find-these-days anthology; I had a feeling the ix was wrong because intro starts on xi, and so it was. I assume yours is the same and it was just a mistake; if not, let me know since it'll probably be a while before my edit is approved. Also, would you object to me uploading Archive cover? It's perfectly bright and clean, with sharper color than the one here now; looks like it just came off the presses, which is unlikely since I don't think this book was ever reprinted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:50, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Typo. Go ahead and fix it (I'll make the change in my records here at home). If you have a better cover then by all means put it up![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 16:50, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Quichotte ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727026; I have a pending edit which adds Archive.org link, changes OL ID because the one there now is for another edition, and fixes a misspelled word in the notes. However, I didn't change "pronounciation" to "pronunciation" in the essay, and the notes which say cover artist is on back flap is wrong, cover designer is (that's also mentioned in the notes), but the name is wrong (both in the cover artist field and in the notes), it's really this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?132263, so should be fixed although really it should only be in the notes because they were the designer, not the artist (unless there's somewhere online that says they did the art, too). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:14, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Go ahead and correct whatever inaccuracies that you find. That's the name of the game. The misspellings are typos. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 16:58, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Seven Veils ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18188; I added a (pending) edit with Archive.org link; cover artist is Drew Struzman on copyright page. Also, note says November 1991 but it's December on copyright page, and December was the month that was entered as the date. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18196; I added 4th printing from Archive.org and I noticed that while date is February the note for 1st printing which you PV says January. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:17, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:The dates in the notes are from the copyright notices filed with the Library of Congress and are usually filed after the book is actually published. They reflect the official publication dates according to the publisher. They sometimes differ from the dates on the copyright pages which are usually when the books are projected to get to the stores. The copyright filings are the official records and used in cases of copyright disputes, etc. and you may use them or ignore them as you see fit. I include them in all of my listings if I can find them.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 16:46, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fire in the Heavens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229641; A lot of Avalon books added recently on Archive.org, I added a link (still pending) to your PV for this title, it ends on p. 223 with the word "impos-", what's on the last page? If it's not a lot, maybe you can add missing text to the notes so people reading it know how it ends. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If I can locate it I could do that. It's in deep storage at the moment.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 23:53, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Big Over Easy ==<br />
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I made minor changes to contents of The Big Over Easy https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71474 if you have no objection. Thanks.[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:04, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Not sure what was changed but I don't see anything anyone could object to.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:15, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Benford & Greenberg / Hitler Victorious ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17138 Hitler Victorious]. There is no comma in the title of the Greg Bear story. I will correct this and add pub notes about the different ways the title of the publication is stated throughout the book. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:16, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Works for me. It's all about accuracy.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 21:18, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Edge of Space ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5587104; I did some stuff in my edit but cover artist says "Fref" on back flap, not "Freff", so if yours is the same it should be changed and made a variant; it will be the only one by "Fref" here although he has several other alternate names. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:My copy is inaccessible at the moment so lets go with what yours says since you have it to hand. I'm sure it's a typo and they're all alike.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 21:34, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Expanded Universe Again ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12812; Copy uploaded a few months ago, I added link in a (pending) edit, several 1980 dates entered here, should some/all be the same month as the book's? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:16, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:They would probably have to be judged individually. For instance: "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121361 How to be a Survivor]" was published in Destinies in 1980-07, three months before the book was published and so would have a date prior to the book.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 14:57, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Zombies of Lake... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?324416; I added to your PV a link to the Archive.org copy uploaded in 2019 and fixed the title (Woebegotton to Woebegotten). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:40, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 12:02, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== POTA ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5605424; Author's full name is on cover and title page, month is August on copyright page, both disagree with your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:14, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've submitted a change to the author name. According to the publisher the book was published on July 12 (the month before the date on the copyright page). This is pretty common. The original date on the entry was July so I left it at that. You can submit a correction if you want to.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 03:09, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for fixing the name. The date issue is so common here that it would need countless thousands of fixes to the month of publication because so many editors entered months/days from Amazon (which are often wrong) or somewhere else instead of what it says in the book while countless thousands of others entered it as it says in the book. A standard rule about how to enter it should have been implemented early on but wasn't so it's just random. Some people actually said where they got the info from in the notes, others didn't, so that's random, too. As I'm sure you know often the date in the book is wrong, too; see Cemetery Dance and their history of releasing books long after they were supposed to. I doubt too many people care most about exact dates, anyway, they care about the content of the book, correct stories/titles in collections/anthologies, correct page count in case they request printing portions of a book from a library, etc. Don't get me started on how many of those things are wrong here, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:41, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I give the source of the publication date in my edits. I use the Library of Congress' Catalog of Copyrights data when I can find it since this information is filed by the publishers after the date of publication and is used for copyright disputes. I figure if it's good enough for the courts it should be good enough for here. I have found some obvious errors in the catalog and there are some premature filings where there was a delay in getting the book to market after it was officially published but those are usually noted by Locus.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 15:31, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Isaac Asimov Presents the Best Science Fiction Firsts ==<br />
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Hi. You verified the 1984-04 Beaufort Books edition P{{p|178473}}. You don't say whether yours is a copy of the 1st printing. The Barnes & Noble date is intended to be that of the 1st printing, I suppose.<br />
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Internet Archive holds the [https://archive.org/details/isaacasimovprese00asim_2 1st ed., 1st printing] and Open Library provides preview of that one. (Title leaf ends with "First Edition" and "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1".) I would like to note that. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:27, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This is one of my early edits, before I was putting all of the extra info I had. Yes, mine is the first printing with the statements on the copyright page. I have submitted an update to reflect this information. Thanks for the catch.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:39, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reprisal ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27852; A copy of Reborn by Wilson (Dark Harvest edition) recently uploaded on Archive.org, no cover on it, I added a link in a (pending) edit and FantLab ID (they show cover and front flap with price), also added FantLab ID to Reprisal, you (I assume) wrote notes and said you have the book, thought you'd like to know that Open Library has a photo of the limited edition's limitation page signed by author and artists (misattributed to the 1991 NEL edition), https://openlibrary.org/books/OL17849723M/Reprisal., in case you want to enter that edition sometime. EDIT: https://www.amazon.com/Reprisal-F-Paul-WILSON/dp/0450536645; I see they got that photo from Amazon. Oddly, the seller included the same limitation photo twice, while barcode on back cover has same ISBN and price as the trade edition. Dark Harvest wasn't big on differentiating their editions much, but maybe all of this will be helpful in some way if you decide to enter another edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:14, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for the notes. I will probably leave the entry as-is for now. Since I don't have the actual limited edition I think someone else should add the entry for it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 00:27, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SS's Amazing Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?211413; I checked Google Books copy and it's "Grandpa's Ghost", not "Grampa's". Does your copy say the same? Also, you may want to check the other titles just to be sure they all match the contents page, although I did a quick check and I think they do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:51, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Typo. Fix submitted.22:45, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Treks Not Taken ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5634984; One of these weird cases that's been happening recently where the copy has a date at the bottom of the Archive.org page a few months before your PV but the note says it was "extracted" a few months after your PV; anyway, I added/fixed stuff, let me know if you disagree with anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:19, 11 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Can't see anything to object to.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 00:50, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Silicon Gods ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?447648; I added an Archive.org link in a pending edit; I think publisher would be better as Dell/Emerald, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?893, since that's how all other books by them are on ISFDB; it does have the slash on the cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:16, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:"Works for me.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 14:22, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cold Sea Rising ==<br />
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Hi Jim -<br />
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I added a Locus1 verification to your verified copy of {{P|7484|Cold Sea Rising}}. I noticed a discrepancy between Locus and our record. Locus lists the publication month as February, 1986. Our record has it as April, with a note that the date is from a code, "486" on the dust jacket. Is is possible that your copy is a later printing? If so, I'll clone your copy and move the verifications to the new record. If not, I'm not sure which source is more authoritative. At lease we could add a note stating that Locus indicates an earlier date. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:58, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Locus was working from an advance copy of the book (which I also have a copy of). The book was initially to ship to bookstores in January, 1986 with an on-sale date in February. The book was delayed and finally published on April 30th per the filed catalog of copyright entry.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:28, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - Foreword: Earth is Room Enough ==<br />
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Hello Jim, I'm working on two series titles, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69336 Asimov's Essays: Own Work] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69747 Asimov's Essays: Other's Work]. Could you decide which of the two is appropriate for the {{P|174391|essay here}}, and shall I make the edit? Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 05:25, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Personally, I would go with other. Go ahead and make the edit.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 12:19, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for looking that up. I'll make the edit. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:05, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::No problem.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:20, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fact and Fancy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?506211; Your Doubleday PV says April but there's a March 2nd printing so one of those dates is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:52, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Never Cross A Vampire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663472; It's Stuart M. in the original edition that you PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:50, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thank you. Muscle memory. It's "always" Stuart M. when I type his name. ;)[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 02:54, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Matheson Essay ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1541838; I added a link from writersdigest.com since essay comes from their April 1956 issue but it's dated here as 1984, original to the book you PV. Is there a publication date in the book? If so, date should be changed and a note added about where it originally came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I don't have ready access to this at the moment. I don't recall any publication or I would have put them in. I would update it to the original date you found.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 11:55, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Michael Crichton's Wife ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?734500; Other wife credit on ISFDB says Sherri, there's an OL-only British copy that says Sherri, does yours say Sherri? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:58, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I don't have ready access to this at the moment. I'll keep an eye out, though.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 18:38, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sunstroke ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672710; Link and comma note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:33, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Got it. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 13:51, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== PKD - The Father-Thing ==<br />
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Hello Jim, with regard to {{P|274739|your PV}}, Reginald3 has the pages as xi-376 (and so does this {{P|926780|other entry}}). Could you check yours? Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:06, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You might have overlooked this? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:29, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost in a Good Book ==<br />
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Greetings Jim, Couple questions re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20789 this publication].<br />
* Pages - I think it should be "xii+[4]+399", reflecting the 4 unnumbered pages between the Roman numerals and the text beginning on page 1. The interior art will be page number [3].<br />
* Change the note "Single color plate on slick paper inserted after second false title page and before page 1." to "The interior art is a single color plate on glossy paper". The position will be clear from the Pages and Page number changes in the previous point.<br />
* Would like to add the note "Compete LOC C-I-P data".<br />
* Not sure about the need for the note "No BLIC".<br />
Point one is the important change. The others I'm open to modifications and(or) eliminations. I'll add a permanent verification after any changes are made. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:20, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Just chiming in - the "No BLIC" for UK books (or similar ones for any national library) means that someone did look but there is no record. I like to have a date on that statement usually but if someone looks and does not find a record, it is a useful piece of information. Just my 2 cents. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:35, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: PS: Not sure why we would have it on a First American edition though. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:36, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Annie, apparently it took you a minute to get the point of my question. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:56, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Pressed save too fast so had to come back with the rest of it. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:00, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::The "No BLIC" item was just a piece of information that I included in my (early) entries. Now that ISFDB tracks them as external IDs that line is no longer in my template. As for why there would be one on a US edition...well, sometimes the British Library DOES catalog a non-British book. This particular book has a Catalog of Copyright entry for the Hodder & Stoughton edition (TX0005617817) but not for the Viking edition. The Library of Congress also has a LCCN for the Hodder & Stoughton edition (2003386109) as well as one for the Viking edition (2002071304). I'll submit an edit to take out the "No BLIC" line since it's not really useful under the new schema. Hope this note helps.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 20:27, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: I made the changes outlined in the first two points. Thanks for you input. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:32, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Glad everything's cleared up.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 12:17, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sturgeon - Godbody ==<br />
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Hello Jim, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your {{P|320715|PV here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I make those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Farewell to Star Trek ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5691583; I was surprised to see TV Guide as a publisher and searched for Farewell but couldn't find ISBN until I just searched for the title and found it; as you said in your note, ISBN is wrong. I trust cover looks like yours; OL cover doesn't match Archive.org cover but turns out it's better, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:32, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, it's the same one. The imprint is "TV Guide" but the publisher is actually Telemedia Communications in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. The cover I submitted is a scan of my copy.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 11:53, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::So do you mean that you have a pending edit uploading your cover, in which case I'll cancel my edit and do another one just adding the archived link? Also, I just saw in edit history that after you had your original edit approved it was Dirk who noticed the wrong ISBN and wrote notes about it, not you, so never mind about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:56, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Never minding.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 11:13, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Are you uploading your cover? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::No. I thought you were.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 11:22, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::"I thought your mentioning "The cover I submitted is a scan of my copy" meant you made an edit adding your copy's cover. I guess not. Also, as I looked at this again I saw that the author's name in note is different (Ann, Anne) so you may want to fix name in note and also check that the other names in note are correct. I think cover credit should be removed, too, because it's a cast photo from the Paramount TV series, not artwork; only other credit for Paramount Pictures here is another non-art cover for the movie Silver Bullet. That should likely be removed, too, by someone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::I'm not making any edits on this right now. Too many things in play here. Please submit any fixes you think are necessary and I'll look at it again when it's settled down.11:50, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Jim, after approving [[User:Username|Username's]] submission, I went ahead and made the other two corrections he suggested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem 100 ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=bester+golem-100&sort=-addeddate; HC you PV has wrong LCCN entered here, ID goes to a different book, real LCCN in copy on Archive.org, 79-23137. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 22:35, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== All the Visions / Space Baltic ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5703362; PENDING edit but I didn't change the misspelled "suffiency" because I don't see the quoted message anywhere and it's possible it was misspelled originally; if not, you can correct it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I did an update on this some time ago when I had ready access to my copy. It's in storage right now so make whatever changes you think need to be done.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 21:57, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Can't do that because I don't know what the word is really supposed to be; either it's misspelled in the print copy or it was entered incorrectly here. When you have access to it again you can fix if it's wrong, I'm just bringing it to your attention. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:08, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::It will have to wait until I get access to it again. I found a copy on the Internet Archive but it was the trade paperback version and did not have the text from the dustjacket. I strongly suspect that it was spelled correctly in the book and I just fat-fingered it while entering the information, though.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 00:34, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sturgeon's West ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33680; I just added an Archive.org link (uploaded about a month ago) in a PENDING edit to this book and I think one of the 2 active PV of the non-book club edition should probably add the month, 02, where appropriate (title record, cover art, essay, original stories) since that edition came first, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. It looks like someone added the month. I have a more accurate date so I'll add a note, also. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 12:42, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Toxicology ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52105; I just made an edit adding Archive.org link and noticed it's 140 pages, not 141 (last page has no number and is just publication history), and there's a Roman numeral, "v", on contents page, so you may want to add numeral and change count. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:28, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trial of Callista Blake ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/books/OL5825946M/The_trial_of_Callista_Blake.; This is one of those OL-only, non-preview copies, uploaded way back in 2011, and I want to add a link but thought I'd check with you first because while it has the same page count as your PV it also has no price and no "first printing" or anything like that on the copyright page. There's no book club mention anywhere so does your copy look the same? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:40, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Most of my books are in storage right now. I verified this one many years ago before I was really clued in. Prior to 1983 St. Martin's did not identify their first editions with any markings such as "First Edition" or "First printing". Later printings were noted. Beginning sometime in 1983 they started noting first editions and included a number line. As for the price...that could be hidden under the opaque band at the top of the plastic jacket. When I get my books back on shelves that will have to be one of the things I check. I would still put the link in though.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:50, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll add the link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:28, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Trek III: The Vulcan Treasure ==<br />
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Hi Jim<br />
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I noticed that your verified publication, {{P|49454|Star Trek III: The Vulcan Treasure}} has {{A|Wendy Barish}} as a co-author with William Rostler. I don't see Barish's name on the cover scan and none of the secondary sources mention her as an author. She was also previously listed as a co-author for {{P|30819|Star Trek III: Short Stories}}. In that case, I was able to find a scan of the book and couldn't find Barish's name on the title page and so I removed it. I also see from [http://www.williamcharlesrotsler.com/2014/11/how-i-gave-star-treks-uhura-her-first.html a Rosstler site], that Barish was his editor. However we wouldn't ordinarily credit an editor for a novel or collection. I noted that you recently mentioned that many of your books are in storage. When you are able, could you double check and see if the title page of your book includes Barish? Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:59, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Missile Lords ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270511; PENDING edit with Archive.org link, LCCN, and fixing of Jeff to Jefferson as it says on cover and title page; there's nowhere in the book that says Jeff. I assume your copy is the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You're right![[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:06, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New Dimensions 5 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23722; Your PV copy probably has vi Roman numerals because later printing on Archive.org has them. You may want to add vi to page count. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:47, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. Will do.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 20:32, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bova Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409408; Shouldn't title be Astronomies with an R? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:43, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. I'll submit a fix. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:54, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great. Except you didn't fix cover art title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:33, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:37, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark Banquet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5733247; Is the wrong LCCN in your copy, too? Also, are there Roman numerals that should be added to page count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My copy is in storage at the moment so I can't check. If you have access to a copy with different information please make changes and I'll check mine when I'm able. I suspect that both points are true.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 11:44, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I added note about LCCN as can be seen at the link above but I can't enter Roman numerals (assuming they're there) because surprisingly there's no archived copy, searchable Google Books copy, etc. So that will have to wait until you find your copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Calculus Zombies ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5746658; If you can verify other editions have "&" and not "and" those can be fixed along with cover art and regular title. That e-book price seems odd, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:14, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I can only verify the one edition that I have. It has "&" on both the cover and title page. I know nothing about the e-book edition.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:10, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Fire Pattern'' date ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted a submission adding a note to your verified {{P|13647|Fire Pattern}} that says the second edition's copyright page states the first publication was in August 1984 (vs. the record's September 1984). If you still have access to that book, it might be worth researching the source of the September date and either documenting why it is being used despite the second edition's statement or adjusting the date on the record if that seems more appropriate. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:33, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The September date came from the review slip supplied by the US distributor. I suppose that they could have used the date of when they imported it into the US rather than the date it was actually published.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:06, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boddekker's Demons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5158; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and page count should really be 293 or 293+[1] depending on whether you consider an unnumbered page with nothing but a quotation to count; last page is also unnumbered and is just acknowledgments. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:58, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I would personally count it as 293+[2] in my own records as I consider it author content (the author meant for the quote to be there or they wouldn't have put it in). But that's just my view.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 22:28, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding a Dimension ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?215869 This book] seems to be missing "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?123855 Tools of the Trade]" from page 49 or so. --[[User:J-Sun|J-Sun]] ([[User talk:J-Sun|talk]]) 18:28, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Actually, all the publications of this title are. I guess they were all cloned from each other. --[[User:J-Sun|J-Sun]] ([[User talk:J-Sun|talk]]) 18:31, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Looks like it needs a fix. If you are submitting it, go for it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 22:30, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== S. Crichton ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?734500; Should Sherry be changed to Sherri? Because that's what it says in a UK edition on Archive.org and Sherri is on ISFDB with another essay for Dragon Teeth. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Go ahead and change it. Probably just typed it with the usual spelling. I can't get to this book at the moment.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 22:31, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Aspect ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=aspect&type=Publisher; All of the many hundreds of Aspect books were entered here as an imprint; your PV of a Highlander book was the only one entered with Warner Aspect as the publisher, so that should probably be changed to the same as all the others so there isn't one book separated from the rest. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:55, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Locus November 2019 ==<br />
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Hi, I just updated your PVed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?781067 Locus November 2019] to add an essay that appears in translated form in a different pub that I'm working on.<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3226226 that newly added article], I've linked to [https://locusmag.com/2019/11/sf-in-israel-the-elephant-slowly-disappearing-from-the-room-by-ehud-maimon/ this] on the Locus website, but I'm unsure if it's the complete piece - the translated version has some extra material that isn't in that website article.<br />
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I'm not expecting you to dig out a 4 year old magazine to verify this, but I just wanted to give you a head's up as it's your PV. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:01, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov - Second Foundation ==<br />
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Hello Jim, regarding {{P|29423|this pub}}, do you think the Pages field should be [10]+210, and the Prolog as page [7] (with piping) ? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:00, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. You're right. Go ahead and make the edit or let me know if you want me to do it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 13:32, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, I've submitted the changes. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:39, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 16:47, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pohl - Star Science Fiction Stories ==<br />
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... and as you are the only PV for {{P|32080|this printing}}, I'd appreciate it if you would check the titling for the Asimov essay, given as <i>Nobody Here But—</i>. That appears to be out of line with the other Ballantine and Boardman editions which give it as <i>"Nobody Here But ..."</i> {{P|32081|1953-02-00}}, {{P|277594|1953-04-00}}, {{P|586926|1954-00-00}}, and {{P|263431|1961-07-00}}. It may be that the ToC in your copy has it like the former, but the notes in the 1953-02-00 and 1953-04-00 printings cover the situation correctly - i.e. we don't use the ToC for the title of the work. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:13, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== X-Treme ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507340; I just added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit, back cover also has an Australia $12.95 price which is not in the note here so if your copy says the same you may want to add it to the other prices. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Marion's Wall ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191781; LCCN on copyright page of Warner PB which I just added a link to in a PENDING edit says LCCN is 72-85291 which would be the original HC but the Library of Congress record for the HC says "72089251". Can you check your copy and enter correct ID? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Finney / The Woodrow Wilson Dime ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191777 The Woodrow Wilson Dime] and will correct "Oil" to "Petroleum" as per copyright page. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:54, 30 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Cruel Stars cover artist ==<br />
<br />
In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5376704 this edit] you state that the cover artist is mentioned on the cover of the book (presumably the Del Rey edition?). Browsing the internet, I couldn't find any evidence of that fact. Instead, on the back cover of my copy of both {{p|762504|The Cruel Stars}} as well as {{p|921798|The Shattered Skies}}, I have the cover art attributed to ''Scribble Pad Studios''. Can you provide us with a pointer and/or evidence to where it is stated that Paick is the artist?<br><br />
By the way, I'd think it should be ''[https://www.artstation.com/jamespaickart/albums/1114476 James Paick]'', not Paik - a typo? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:19, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm going to go with Scribble Pad Studios. The book has gone into storage and the info that I can find on the web also points to scribble. If I can find the book again I will make a definitive edit.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 15:35, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK, thanks. As an aside, I am inferring from your answer that you own the book. However, you didn't primary verify the publication record - is there a particular reason for that? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 02:21, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Haven't gotten around to it.20:37, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Seek ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5788374; I changed cover art and reg. title to 2017 because Brit edition used the same cover art minus some text as can be seen at link in mod note and US copyright page on Amazon says 2017 is the original date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:57, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 20:36, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stephen King / The Stand: The Complete &amp; Uncut Edition ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185773 The Stand: The Complete &amp; Uncut Edition] and would like to make the following changes:<br />
<br>1) correct the title to "...Complete and Uncut..." as per title page (not "...Complete &amp; Uncut...")<br />
<br>2) replace the content record for interiorart by "Berni Wrightson" with "Bernie Wrightson". The spelling is "Bernie" with an "e" at the end on both title and copyright pages<br />
<br>3) counting forward to determine the page numbers of the interior illustrations doesn't work for this pub because the leaves for these interior illustrations are interleaved among consecutive page numbers of text. I think the easiest way to deal with this is to replace "on pages" with "immediately following pages" and then reduce all the page numbers by 1<br />
<br>4) there are 12 (not 10) interior illustrations by Wrightson. The missing 2 immediately follow pages 242 and 982<br />
<br>Will also add pub notes. Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:28, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Go for it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 20:36, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Millennium ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5792137; It's 249 pages, there's an excerpt from another novel after this novel ends. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:29, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This will have to be broken up into the novel proper and the excerpt from the other novel. My copy is in deep storage at the moment. If you have access to a copy then please make the correction. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 19:48, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Eshbach's Of Worlds Beyond ==<br />
<br />
It's been brought to my attention that the subtitle of the Dobson edition of Eshbach's ''Of Worlds Beyond'' does not include a hyphen between the words "Science" and "Fiction" in the subtitle. I've also checked 1979 Advent printing and it also does not have the hyphen. You've verified the {{P|24767|1964 Advent printing}} and I suspect none of the Advent printings have a hyphen. I've removed it from the unverified 1964 paperback and am consulting with the verifier of 1974 printing. As the sole verifier, I'll leave the 1964 Advent printing to you. However, the COVERART for all the Advent printings needs to be updated as well. I can take care of this, once I hear from you and the other verifier. Let me know if you have any objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:05, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Go ahead and make the change. Thanks for the catch.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 19:45, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gregg 10th Victim ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212297; Intro starts on v, not iv. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Go ahead with the change or let me know if you want me to make it.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:14, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::You can make it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:00, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Change submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:00, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gollancz Status Civilization ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?265764; ISBN on copyright page is different in the Archive.org copy (I added a link to that in a PENDING edit); 02018. That ISBN is found online at Cold Tonnage Books, ISBN on ISFDB is found on Amazon and a few other sites. You may want to write a note about the discrepancy and where the correct (?) ISBN came from (back flap, I assume). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:07, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Inklings: The Art of Gary Davis ==<br />
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Jim, disambiguating the artist [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370734 Gary Davis (artist)] from the author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27881 Gary Davis] necessitated an edit to your verified pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406883 Inklings: The Art of Gary Davis]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:12, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ripped ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5811639; I left the cover art credit for Shelly Dickson Carr's novel because I'm assuming Gall did that, too; is that image used for one of the interior art pieces? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:16, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:47, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Glory Game ==<br />
<br />
You are PV for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?419327 I submitted this edit for it, which was approved & published: "Submitting Goodreads external ID & two web page reviews." Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 21:18, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the update.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:16, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tschirky ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?184805; L. should be added to artist name (note says L.) so it is the same as all his other ISFDB credits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Jim<br />
:I've no objections to proceeding with this change if you concur. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:45, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::No problem here.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 18:12, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Suzy McKee Charnas/Joan Vinge/Octavia Butler ==<br />
<br />
Can you please double check the date on {{P|406967|Suzy McKee Charnas/Joan Vinge/Octavia Butler}}? Starmont House ceased operation in 1993. The {{P|513743|tp edition}} was 1986. Is the 1996 on your edition a typo? If not, is there something to explain the date being after the publisher no longer existed? Borgo Press bought Starmont House's backstock, but the one book I've seen they sold had a Borgo Press sticker on the title page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:33, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Pure typo. Nothing special about by copy. Go ahead and submit fix.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 18:13, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Update made. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:30, 28 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Space: 1999 Index ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?406511; Your note about index has a wrong number. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:02, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:~Fix submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 11:16, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tomorrow's TV ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827407; Title page says Martin Harry Greenberg and Charles Waugh for 2 of the editors which is not what's on ISFDB; might need fixing. EDIT: Same issue with Travels Through Time; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827418. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:52, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Go ahead and include them in your submissions. Thanks for the catch.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 00:47, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Chain of Events ==<br />
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Since you're the verifier of Chain of Events https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482696: I'm adding the page number (1) to the contents for the novel, if you have no objection. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:17, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:No objections here.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:06, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ian Watson / The Embedding ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of SFJuggler, MLB.<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179657 The Embedding] and would like to make the following changes:<br />
<br>1) There is an ISBN discrepancy and I am proposing to add the following pub notes:<br />
<br>"<br />
<br>The ISBN stated on copyright page, 0-684-13896-4, differs from the SBN stated on rear cover, 684-14205-8<br />
<br>The ISBN 0684138964 appears to be also used for an edition of A Concise History of India by Francis Watson (non-fiction, non-genre) according to both the LoC and OCLC/WorldCat websites as at 2023-12-12<br />
<br>The ISBN 0684142058 is not registered on LoC or OCLC/WorldCat websites but does appear on Amazon.com and used book sites (Abebooks, Biblio) as at 2023-12-12. Furthermore, it only returns results for one title: <i>The Embedding</i> so is probably the correct ISBN for this publication<br />
<br>"<br />
<br>Based on all the above I would prefer to change the ISBN field of the pub record to contain 0684142058. However, I don't feel strongly about this; it's the pub notes that are important. What's your opinion about changing the ISBN field? I'll go with the majority opinion among the three of us.<br />
<br>2) Back flap of dustjacket states "Jacket design by Jerry Thorp". Modern ISFDb practice is to not have coverart records for designers so I propose to remove the coverart record and will add explanatory pub note.<br />
<br>3) Will add general pub notes.<br />
<br>Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:05, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:My preference would be to have the correct ISBN in the ISBN field and an explanation about the incorrect one in the notes. That's the way I currently have an edit in on "Practical Demonkeeping".<br />
<br>As for the cover art I was assuming that the cover design credit covered the actual art as well. My edits for the last couple of years have credited the designer in the notes and the actual artist in the artist field. Sometimes they are one and the same. If you feel that Thorp is not the actual artist then go ahead and make a change and cover that in the notes.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 00:45, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Which of the two ISBN's do you consider to be the correct one? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:25, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::I consider 0-684-14205-8 to be the correct one but 0-684-13896-4 is the one that comes up in the LOC and so is the "official" one. If you search for 0-684-13896-4 it comes up with "The Embedding" but also with "A Concise History of India" by Francis Watson. I've submitted a correct to the LOC but who knows if that will go anywhere.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 00:11, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I completely agree about the ISBN so will change the ISBN field to contain 0-684-14205-8 when I submit the edit.<br />
:::Regarding the cover art, I have no idea whether Thorp is also the artist. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Cover_Art Help Notes on Cover Art] state:<br />
:::*The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field.<br />
:::I suspect that in many cases, publishers state "designer" when they mean artist, or both designer and artist, but we can't second guess the publisher's hidden meaning. All we can do is take what they state at face value. So I will remove the cover art record in this case. Thanks for your input on this. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:51, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::::You're welcome.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 19:31, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Science-Fiction Five-Yearly, #5, November 1971 ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5831343 this submission] adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?984452 Science-Fiction Five-Yearly, #5, November 1971]. I added the missing series to the title record , please make the following changes to the pub.<br />
* Create the necessary variant titles for the 2 alternate names. (I see your note to mod, just listing here as a reminder)<br />
* Robert E. Lee Jr. should be Robert E. Lee, Jr. per our standards.<br />
* Replace the three 'br' HTML tags with 'li' in your pub notes.<br />
Post a note here and I'll approve them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:25, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Fixed the <br> tags. Created one of the alternate names as a test. If it goes through correctly I'll fix the others.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 12:01, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5842023 this one]. Looks like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3260528 Stars of the Slave Giants] is part 4 of a four-part serial. If so, Change the title to "Stars of the Slave Giants (Part 4 of 4)" and title type to serial. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:13, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Title change submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:09, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::I approved the change in title, the title type still needed to be [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5846497 changed] to serial. Then I approved your original [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5842023 variant submission] (note how the changes were automatically incorporated into your submission). This created a duplicate parent which I merged. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2622384 Here] is the end result.<br />
::::Looks like another editor saw "!Nissassa" on the cleanup report and made the same mistake you originally made. I've corrected as above. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2622385 Here] is the parent title. Note the serial titles show an undetermined number of parts. Your copy should identify the missing total. Please edit the three titles as appropriate. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:46, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives in Your Home ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5832072 this submission]. Your change from '365' to '365+[6]' is incorrect. Per bullet point three under Pages [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages here], we only make this change if there are content title records. Either correct the Pages field or add content titles. FWIW I prefer your notes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:38, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
<br />
Same [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?720032 here].<br />
:Counts changed.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:01, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Author Legal Name ==<br />
<br />
I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836625 this submission]. I assume 'McDaniel' is the last name. Please enter legal names as "Lastname, Firstname Middlenames". Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Submission canceled and new one submitted.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 12:18, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:29, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 12:31, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Time Travelers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291119; While adding Archive.org link and LCCN in a PENDING edit I noticed back flap says month is May so I fixed it to that. I searched for the series (?) "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" mentioned on back flap in Archive.org text search and the only other book with that series is the Fine edition of David Zindell's Neverness, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23681, and as you can see someone's note there detailed the discrepancy with dates and settled on using what the HC says. Also, the archived copy of Neverness has no price on front flap or date on back flap; book club edition or just badly framed? On the off chance you own a copy of that book maybe you can say what yours says. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:36, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I do not own a copy of Neverness so I can't check on that. The date on Travelers is indeed May. I just looked it up and according to the Catalog of Copyright #TX0001602244 the official publication date registered is 1985-05-03. I didn't know about the catalog at the time so I used whatever was already in the listing.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 01:53, 28 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== An Index to Unknown and Unknown Worlds ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5846077; While adding Archive.org link I also noticed all titles were wrong so I fixed them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thank you.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 16:54, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Format ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25661; 2nd and 3rd were entered as PB (4th is HC); should #1 be PB, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:58, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Yes. Good catch. I'll make a submission.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:06, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== To Catch a Rat ==<br />
<br />
Jim, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5840226 this submission] changing the title record date to 1977-02. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298747 Fututa pb] shows a publication date of 1977-01. I fixed the broken link showing the source. The same source, as well as amazon.co.uk., shows the hc publication date as 1977-06-02. Looks like you misread the Amazon date mistaking the day for the month. I think you should cancel this submission and revert the hc date. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:48, 8 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.amazon.co.uk/Catch-Rat-Walter-Harris/dp/0860074749 Amazon.co.uk] is pretty explicit about February 1977 (the "-01" usually just means they don't know the exact date). If you want to keep the January date I'm fine with that.21:06, 8 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Do you agree the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298748 hardcover ] publication date should revert to 1977-06-02}? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:07, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'm fine with whatever decision you make. That's just where I got the info.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 21:58, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Counting the Eons ==<br />
<br />
Would you confirm that your verified copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?215961 Counting the Eons] contains [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?115384 Milton! Thou Should'st Be Living at This Hour] (note the apostrophe). The verifier of the UK edition confirms the variant title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2967957 Milton! Thou Shouldst Be Living at This Hour] (no apostrophe). Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:48, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:No apostrophe.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 13:27, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Change made. Thanks for the quick response. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:34, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::You're welcome.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 16:49, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Night People ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1026138; Book club edition on Archive.org says Mary Anne Shea as artist on back flap, not Ann. If yours is the same it should be corrected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Correction submitted. Thanks.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 14:24, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Back Door of History ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rainy+day+in&type=Fiction+Titles; No archived copy of Betcha Can't Read Just One but I searched Google copy and it is Halicarnassus so if your PV copy of Lafferty's collection really says Halicarnasses then the former should be a variant or if it was entered wrong and it's spelled with the "u" in the collection then the 2 titles should be merged, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 16 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:My copy is in deep storage at the moment but I'm betting that mine is a typo on my part and the two should be merged.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 12:48, 16 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::No hurry, when you can get to it you can check and do what's necessary; I was so surprised to see an issue with a Lafferty story, assuming that his record was fully looked over and verified a long time ago, that I thought I'd mention it. He published so much stuff in hard-to-find little books that I'm guessing there's probably some more (possibly) mistaken variant titles that were entered here by various editors over the years. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:35, 16 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've submitted an edit to change the spelling. I don't think Dan Knight at UMP would have let something like that slip by. If I get my copy out of storage and it ISN'T a typo, I'll fix it again.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 20:17, 16 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Skies ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?390469; Luminist.org uploaded several Lafferty books recently and while adding a link in a PENDING edit to this one I noticed it has an ISBN, 0-921322-09-7 on copyright page and back cover so if your copy does you may want to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:41, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That ISBN matches the one in my records. I just forgot to enter it in the ISFDB record.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 00:40, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Chernobyl Syndrome ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6740; PENDING edit adding archived link and fixing note about cover to design (by Carol Russo), not art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:25, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the heads-up.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 21:43, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Silverberg's Beyond the Safe Zone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878511; Front flap of archived copy says $18.95; does yours? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:13, 1 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Les Martin's Blade Runner ==<br />
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I am submitting a conversion of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4762 this book] from a novel to a chapbook/short fiction, because with a page count of 91, with many of those pages being photographs, this is clearly short fiction. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 05:17, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Buckaroo Banzai ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35009; PENDING edit adding link to Google Books preview and intro by the author, couldn't get starting page number for intro so if your copy has one you may want to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I don't have ready access to my copy at the moment.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 00:38, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Event Horizon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5886496; I fixed name to what is on title page (no E). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:12, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: I'm holding; pending your response. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:16, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Midnight Pleasures ==<br />
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Howdy. Re: your PV'd https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22140 ... my copy matches all the points in your PV'd listing, but also has publisher's slipcase, and is signed by Bloch on its title page in red felt-tip pen. If yours is same, I'll add that to your PV'd listing. If yours differs, I'll add mine as a separate edition. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:10, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I think that may be a collector's custom-made slipcase. I am not aware of any Doubleday signed, boxed version of this book. I could be wrong but I was working in a bookstore when this came out and ordered our stock. I don't recall seeing anything like that in the catalog. Definitely worth researching. If true, it's pretty rare.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 03:19, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::Jim, while approving a submission adding an archive.org link, I noticed Pages: was 177. This needed to be adjusted to account for the additional content you recorded on page 179. Per the discussion in the next thread, I made Pages "177+[2]". Since the novel ended on 177, no additional note is necessary. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:06, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Upgrade ==<br />
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Jim, I approved your submission editing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?904985 Upgrade]. Couple points:<br />
*Page number for the novel s/b 3 not "[3]". I assume you are trying to say that page 3 is unnumbered. Whether numbered or not, it is part of the main series, so no brackets.<br />
:From the help [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles Regular titles] - 1st bullet point under Pages "Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages - Quite often in book publications and occasionally in magazines, the publisher/designer chooses not to print a number on the page on which a story, artwork, or essay begins. If the page is not numbered, and is within a range of numbered pages (i.e. the pages which follow the first numbered page within a publication), its page number can be derived from the nearest numbered page."<br />
*Pages field. +[2] is only required if you will be creating a title record for the "About the Author" essay. <br />
:From the help [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Pages] - 3rd bullet point "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets. For example, [6]+320 would be a publication with six unnumbered pages and then 320 numbered pages. There is no need to record these unnumbered pages if they contain no content that needs to be recorded. At times you will need to count backwards from the first numbered page to see which is page 1 and then would count the unnumbered pages that are before this. Likewise, you may record the count of unnumbered pages at the end of a publication. For example, 320+[4]. As before, only do this if there is additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record, as when there is an afterword or book excerpt which appears on unnumbered pages."<br />
If you agree, submit and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:33, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Pretty much spot on. The page number that the novel starts on is in the page range. Go ahead.00:56, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Crimes & Chaos ==<br />
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Hi, could you confirm that the essay "The Men Who Killed the Brigade" in Avram Davidson's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?399447 Crimes & Chaos] starts with "Minié rifles cracked in the darkness." and ends "It allowed each man the magnificent pension of ... a shilling [about 25 cents] a day!" If so, the essay was previously printed in Cavalier, April 1961, as "The Day the Light Brigade Died". [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 18:13, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I would but the book is in deep storage right now and not accessible. However, Richard Grant's bibliography of Davidson seems to confirm it. See it [https://efanzines.com/SFCollector/SFCollector-09.pdf here].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 02:28, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:36, 3 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::You're welcome.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:37, 3 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Costigan's Needle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210513; I just made an edit adding archived link to the book club edition (and fixing count to 223); your PV copy of the trade edition has a wrong date in the note, 1954 instead of 1953, and I think parent month should be 11, not 8, going by published date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== "Wong's Lost and Found Emporium" in ''A Century of Fantasy 1980 - 1989'' ==<br />
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I accepted a submission that merged a variant title, changing the author credit from William Wu to William F. Wu on "Wong's Lost and Found Emporium" in your verified {{P|166761|A Century of Fantasy 1980 - 1989}}. The archive.org scan shows "F." on the story's title page and in the citations in the front matter, with the F.-less version only used in the TOC listing. Please review and adjust if that was inappropriate based on your copy. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:26, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
MartyD
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Sfkearse&diff=681514
User talk:Sfkearse
2024-03-09T17:34:17Z
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== ''Liquid Snakes'' ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome. I accepted your submission for {{P|998816|Liquid Snakes}}, making some minor tweaks: I added '$' to the price, switched the cover image link to one on Amazon due to image linking permission considerations, and I added to the note that the author contributed to the record. :) Please review. You might also visit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?285694 this page] and edit the information about yourself, as you deem appropriate. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:25, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ''In the Heat of the Light'' -- speculative fiction? ==<br />
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Hi. I have on hold your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872694 submission] for ''In the Heat of the Light''. Specifically, I am wondering if this work qualifies for inclusion here as speculative fiction. See [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy]] and if you think it does qualify, let me know. Reply here. Edit this topic and indent your response another level using leading colons; I will see your response. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:34, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
MartyD
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Sfkearse&diff=681513
User talk:Sfkearse
2024-03-09T17:25:15Z
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== ''Liquid Snakes'' ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome. I accepted your submission for {{P|998816|Liquid Snakes}}, making some minor tweaks: I added '$' to the price, switched the cover image link to one on Amazon due to image linking permission considerations, and I added to the note that the author contributed to the record. :) Please review. You might also visit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?285694 this page] and edit the information about yourself, as you deem appropriate. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:25, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Sfkearse&diff=681508
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2024-03-09T17:10:04Z
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Linda24051997&diff=681485
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2024-03-09T14:05:51Z
<p>MartyD: /* Cuentos de alba y muerte */ new section</p>
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== ''Cuentos de alba y muerte'' ==<br />
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Hello, and welcome. I accepted your {{P|998798|Cuentos de alba y muerte}} submission and added details that I found online. Please review and change anything that is incorrect or missing. If you have any questions, please ask! Thanks, --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:05, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Linda24051997&diff=681484
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2024-03-09T14:01:19Z
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Linda24051997&diff=681483
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2024-03-09T14:00:39Z
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Linda24051997&diff=681482
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2024-03-09T13:59:57Z
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Philfreund&diff=681475
User talk:Philfreund
2024-03-09T12:58:16Z
<p>MartyD: /* Cyber Way */ new section</p>
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{{welcome}} [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Translation preferences updated ==<br />
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Just a quick FYI that the User Preferences page has been updated to let users suppress translations on Title page. Thanks for bringing this issue to the community's attention! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:26, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Five Against Venus ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I adjusted the value of the Pub series name in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?821589 your book] to match the way we have this series recorded in the DB and updated to note to explain the exact spelling on the dustjacket. I also merged the novel record with the earlier printings - in the future you may find it easier to either use "Add Publication to This Title" on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?276561 title level] or "Clone This Pub" from one of the previous versions (and just change any fields that are different. That way we do not need to merge post approval. While it is not a big problem for novels, it can be for anthologies and collections where if you do New and add the stories manually, we will need to merge every single story :)<br />
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I did not merge the covers as it was unclear if it is the same as the previous ones. Once you provide the cover image, if it is, we can merge those records as well. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:18, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the advice. I'm still trying to learn the best way to do things. I'm OK with the series number change. However, I didn't originally include it because the Wikipedia entry for the Winston Science Fiction series specifically states that the series was not numbered. This book was simply the third published chronologically. [[User:Philfreund|Phil Freund]] 12:40, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: I did not add a number, I just changed the name of the series (shortened it a bit) to match the record we have. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?790 our note] explaining why and how we numbered the books in this series in the DB. Hope this makes sense. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:56, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?821589; The other printings are numbered 3, not 5. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== LCCN ==<br />
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External IDs should belong to the printing that they are added to. So I moved it from there into the notes [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273238 here] and added it as an External ID to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?111181 the first printing] as the LCCN record clearly says [https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchCode=LCCN&searchArg=52005494&searchType=1&permalink=y 1952]. Thanks for supplying the number! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:50, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! I'm learning a lot from your helpful comments. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:09, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Greenwitch ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4905687 this submission]: What identifies it as a new printing vs. the {{P|368240|existing printing}}? There is nothing listed in the notes. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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The same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4905708 this submission] vs {{P|368242|The Grey King}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Both have a different cover price of $2.95 while the originals are $1.95. The price is on the covers which I will upload once these are approved unless you want me to upload them now. I will need help figuring out how to name the upload images if that's the case. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:22, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::Both approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:09, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Suicide Run ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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When you see a note such as "Data from Amazon.com as of 2021-02-11." in the notes this tells you when the data was checked in Amazon. Unless you have a time machine and you are writing from 2018, changing this to "Data from Amazon.com as of 2018-04-01." is incorrect. You can change it in 2 ways:<br />
* If you are working off a copy of the book, remove the statement completely unless you are leaving some information from it (price for example in which case modify to "Data from Amazon.com as of 2021-02-11 (price)." or use the date you are submitting on if it is still the same.<br />
* If you are working based on an archived copy of the Amazon.com page taken on 2018-04-01 (your own copy or somewhere off internet),then leave it there and just add "Data verified with an archived copy of Amazon.com taken on 2018-04-01". Or something to that effect.<br />
The actual date of the book goes into the field for the date. I restored the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823310 note here]. Feel free to re-edit based on your exact circumstances. Thanks and let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:38, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?607524 this one] and I suspect a few more :) Plus - we support 16 Amazons :) If you mean the US one, can you use Amazon.com (yes, I know... not everyone had been doing that) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:40, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Sorry for the mess. I now understand! I have been pulling my book purchase info into my Readerware database for years. Part of that info is the purchase date and purchase price so I was just trying to get the dates more accurate. I also suspect that the odd prices I'm seeing in some of the publication records could be because the person from AU didn't note the price as A$ instead of just $. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:06, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: No worries. In this case use your date to add "Price from xxxx-xx-xx" or something like that if you want. <br />
::: No - they are really US ones but when you open Amazon.com from outside of USA, it adds taxes (and some other fees sometimes) and makes the prices funny. Or it shows the converted A$ price price (in US$ but not what a US person will see). Or used to - they keep changing things. Amazon can be... fun sometimes if you do not know how to decipher some of its shenanigans. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:23, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ric Locke ==<br />
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The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1899615 unneeded "k"] had been sent the way of the dodo. Thanks for finding it! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:43, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Light in the Dark ==<br />
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I fixed the date in the notes from 2012-08-05 back to its addition date [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?632078 here] but where is that 2012 date coming from at all? The single date difference in the other book is an AU/US thing (the editor that initially added these is based in AU/NZ so that happens like that sometimes...) but this one is way off. If this is the date in Amazon, this is a later ebook and it should be added separately and not mistaken with the 2011 one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:47, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm now confused about what date I entered. The copy I have in hand shows July 27, 2011 Revision on the copyright page. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:24, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Based on the other thread - did you buy it on 2012-08-05? :) Sounds like this was the date in your DB? Or you copied/pasted something from another book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:30, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Mystery solved. That's exactly what I did. Bought it on 2012-08-05. Sigh....must have been distracted by the dogs barking at the Amazon delivery truck. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:41, 5 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Winter Long ==<br />
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Fixed the cover artist [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521010 here] based on the note in the notes :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:34, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Was Once a Hero ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935335 this]: a book from 2011 cannot say "Second Publication Ad Astra 2013". We catalog SF, we do not live in a SF universe yet. Either the date of the ebook is wrong or your note is wrong. Based on the note, it seems like we had conflated the first edition (2011,Hellfire) with the second (2013,Ad Astra)... If you are sure, then if I were you, I would fix the date of this one, explain where the 2013 comes from and then create a clone of the book to put the known 2011 publisher and year in it... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:34, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Wow. I missed the date completely. The copyright page definitely says Second Publication. Is there any way to edit a submission or do I need to cancel this one and make the changes with a new one? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:09, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You will need to cancel this one and submit again. However, I recommend you submit the clone at the same time - so we do not loose the 2011 date - Just date, publisher, type and a note saying "First Edition. Data from the copyright page of the second edition" will be enough and that's it :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:14, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Fearful Symmetry ==<br />
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A few small changes/comments [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?524207 here]<br />
* There is no Foreward in the book... there is an Introduction. And we name Introductions by adding the title of the book in brackets when there is no special title, not at the start of the title. If yours does have Foreward instead, do you really have the Ad Astra book? :) <br />
* Use piped numbers to order the contents (so |1 for the intro, |2 for the novel)<br />
Let me know if have any questions [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:I have to assume the copy I have is from Ad Astra since the copyright page says "Then by Ad Astra". The ISBN and the date match. However, it definitely says "Foreword by Claudia Christian" right after the dedication in my copy which I bought from amazon.com on 2013-11-24. I looked at the current amazon.com version and it says Third Edition and indeed shows "Introduction Claudia Christian, Star of Babylon 5" immediately after a table of contents which does not exist in my copy. Suggestions? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:28, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: So there are at least 2 different copies out there. This one is the one connected to the ASIN now... Does yours have the same ASIN (if you know)? <br />
:: I'd say to clone for yours and add the "Foreword (Fearful Symmetry)" and not "Fearful Symmetry Foreward" there and add some notes explaining the situation in the notes so it is clear that we indeed have least two. The one in the current book is fully visible so see if it matches yours - if it is the same text, we will variant... Or I can do it for you if you prefer. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:44, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::It's the same ASIN. I'll give it a try. Likely tomorrow. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:54, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::Rather than mess this up, would you please create the variant? I'm getting confused trying to set this up correctly. Cloning wouldn't let me remove/change the Introduction regular title. Once it's there, I can add some additional notes to differentiate it plus add the correct Foreword regular title. BTW, the text of the Foreword in my version matches the text in the Introduction of the version currently up on amazon.com. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:34, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: yeah - we will need to remove later. I will fix these and come back to let you know in a bit - on my way out of the door for errands. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:51, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Apologies for the delay - migraine :( Your book is now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?524207 here]. The one that is now on Amazon is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828033 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:28, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Thanks for this. Hope your migraine situation stays clamed down. There is actually at least one other difference. The current Amazon version has a Table of Contents just prior to the Introduction which is missing from my older version. Do you want me to adjust the Amazon version entry? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:18, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Absolutely :) Go ahead and fix whatever is needed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Poets and Piracy ==<br />
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See my update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?671085 here]. This is Amazon being a pain. If you go to Amazon US from the left menu (which is based on ISBN10), it leads to [https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_66%3A9781939233646&tag=isfdb-20 this] which is Amazon's way to show that this ISBN belongs to the Kindle edition as well (Kindle on the top of list of editions, that's where this ISBN is attached). Back in April Amazon essentially pulled the ISBNs from the API for ebooks (they removed from the UI months earlier) and now this is the only way to sort them out. So don't pull the ISBN out from a publication unless you had verified it does not belong to the book indeed or we are losing information (and yes, not uncommon not to be in the book itself so your note on that was the correct thing to do). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:41, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll add that to the list of things not to do! Thanks for putting me straight! :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:26, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Welcome to Amazon's shenanigans - it had been a real pain to add new ebooks lately - especially from small publishers. These guys paid for ISBNs, Amazon is hiding them :). Add a note that it is not printed in the book when it is not there though :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:33, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Is there a reason I don't always see the Amazon links section in the left menu even if the pub has an ASIN assigned? I see it for some titles but not others. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:52, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: ISBN :) You see them if there is ISBN, you do not if there is no ISBN :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:04, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperial Twilight ==<br />
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Hello, concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4955622 this submission] you state you have a copy in hand, but still mention "Data from Amazon.com on 2021-04-05" in the notes without specifying which data came from Amazon. If you will primary verify, as you state, then can you clarify what data is coming from Amazon? Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:39, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4956107 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4956110 this submission]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:45, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4956530 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4956544 here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:15, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I need some clarification. This the first time I have had this brought up. Do I assume that everything already in the publication is from Amazon.com if there are no other notes? Can you give me an example where what you are asking me to do has been done so I can model it? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:06, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Let me assist here while MagicUnk is asleep. Yes - unless otherwise stated, the data should be from the sources listed. The older the book, the more problematic it is but... well, let's assume it is always the case. :)<br />
:: See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?798535 one of my latest verifications] or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?786412 here] or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?701526 this one] (see the credit for the artist). By definition all data of a PV'd book comes from the book. When some pieces of it come from elsewhere (Amazon.com), the exact data that comes from there needs to be listed so it is clear what is NOT from the book. It is the same when the book is not PV'd except there the source listed with no list of what comes from it is presumed to be the source of all information not called specifically to be from elsewhere (thus Amazon.com was indeed the source of all data before you verified). Hope this makes sense. <br />
:: If it helps: usually all BUT the date comes from the book for paperbacks so changing "Data from Amazon" to "Date from Amazon" or "Exact Date from Amazon" is enough to fix the wording. For ebooks, it may be "Date and price". Or you can do "Initial data from Amazon" and then list the elements confirmed via the book (or not confirmed because they are not in the book). As long as it is clear which data is checked where and when (your PV date shows when the book was consulted so no need to date that if you do not want to), we are all good. How much more details you want to add from the book is up to you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:55, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: That helps a lot. I am mostly updating and PVing ebooks I own at this point though I will get to working on the physical books I own as well. I have been doing the PVs after my changes are approved. Is that the right sequence? Looking back at the edit history of a couple of the examples seems to show a bunch of changes made after the PV was done.<br />
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:::Since I can't edit the submissions that are still pending approval to make the changes, I'll cancel them and resubmit with better wording. I'll also update the two that were already just approved to fix the wording. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:45, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: The order is fine. Just make sure you add to the moderator note that you are going to PV after the changes (so you can look them over one more time) and you won’t get asked why you are dropping the sources from the notes. :) Alternatively you can PV before the changes but as the updates can get mixed up or delayed, there will be a time where you had PVd an incorrect record. So I would say to keep your current sequence, just tell us of your plans.<br />
:::: One thing I noticed a few months after I started editing was that I was writing really crappy notes when I started. Not wrong but incomplete or with issues like the one we are discussing here. So going over all your PVd books after you had done a few dozen of them (and rechecking the notes) may be useful. :) Not required or mandatory, just sharing a bit of personal experience. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Amazon prices ==<br />
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So for cases like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?583350 this one], we want the historical price, not the price as it is now. We are a bibliography - it is a 2016 book, a 2016 price is better than a 2021 one. The 2021 one can go into the notes but let's keep the closest to list page at publication that we can find. I rewrote the note - see what you think about it (and feel free to rewrite). Especially with ebooks, there are a lot of special prices (and once a cheaper paper copy comes out, it tends to get lower - thus the dates in the notes). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:27, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: PS: And let's not lose the date the book was initially entered on. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:29, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I'm inching closer to getting this right! :) Thanks for pointing out how to do this better. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:34, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: No worries. :) Think "historical bibliography" when you edit - the earliest price is what needs to match the date in the date field; any other prices go into the notes. Now - if you bought it at publication and have a price from then and ours is later, yours wins unless it is known to be a promotional one. ;) That's why in some books we will have a price from the publisher site and Amazon and Kobo and B&N dates added in the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:58, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: So what should be done about a publication like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?691815 St. Legier] whose Amazon cost was entered from overseas and because of that has an artificially inflated price? I preordered this ebook myself and paid $5.99 on 2018-12-09. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:05, 27 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Demigod ==<br />
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I approved your submission for the e-book version of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?691911 Demigod]. Unfortunately, even though the ISBN is on the title page, it's wrong, bad checksum. I eliminated it and added it to the notes. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 12:33, 20 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! I saw that after I did the submission and hoped a moderator would fix it so I didn't have to resumbit. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:36, 20 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cultivar ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4979131 this submission]: What is the source of the different date? Is it within the ebook itself or just the B&N listing? If you compare yours with the Amazon Look Inside for the [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077X278FG Kindle edition] or there any differences? If it's the same book just released at different times on the two platforms, I wouldn't create a separate record. If there are other differences, then separate records would make more sense. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:13, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Same questions for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4979134 this submission]. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:15, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:The contents appear to be the same with different pub dates on the B&N, Baen, and Amazon websites. What bothers me is that the pub date for the Nook edition is 11/29, Baen edition is 11/30, and Amazon is 12/4. The existing record uses the 11/30 Baen date but the Amazon data which seems wrong. Separate records seemed the best way to deal with this. I'm not sure how to put everything into one record that I can primary verify. Suggestions?<br />
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:BTW, the same problem exists for title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2304017 Heirs to Trouble] which was published on the exact same dates. However, for that pub, there are already two different records but the data with the 11/30 date has the wrong ISBN while showing Amazon info. Again, suggestions? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:39, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::We base the information off the publication first and off secondary sources second. Since the Amazon Look Inside shows a November 2017 copyright statement, I would go with a single record dated 2017-11-00 and a publication note stating that B&N shows availability as of 11/29, Baen as of 11/30, and Amazon as of 12/4. Another option would be to date the publication to the earliest date and include the same statement. If we had similar different bookseller dates for a physical book, we would not create multiple records.<br />
::For Heirs to Trouble, I would do the same (deleting the wrong one). Thoughts? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:49, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::OK. I'll delete the submissions and create a pub update based on what you suggested using the 2017-11-00 date and put the notes into the pub record. I'm assuming I should also change the Title record date to match? Ditto for Heirs to Trouble. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:11, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Patreon editions of Glynn Stewart's works ==<br />
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Thank for submitting the Patreon editions of {{A|Glynn Stewart}}'s books and sorry about the processing delays!<br />
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It looks like what you are trying to do is to create new "publication", i.e. edition, records for these novels. They have separate and distinct publication dates and prices, so it would seem that they should be separate publication records as opposed to notes under their respective title records. Does this make sense? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:30, 11 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I originally intended to create new pubs but took this approach due to the advice given on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Patreon_edition_ebooks this Help Desk posting] back in February. I'm perfectly willing to do it either way but really need a definitive answer as to which way to do it. Glynn is quite prolific and there will be plenty more of these editions to add over time. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:37, 11 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Oops, I must have missed that discussion! I have posted a reply with additional info and also copied the whole thing to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Early_releases_from_Baen_and_Patreon Rules and standards discussions page]. Let's see where it takes us... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:30, 11 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: The Rules and Standards discussion has been inconclusive so far. I have approved the submissions for the time being -- if we decide to change the data entry standards in the future, the affected record will be easy to find by searching Title Notes fields for the word "Patreon". Thanks for submitting them! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:40, 15 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::You're welcome. I'll continue to do the same thing as new books are released. If there is a change and pub records are created, I'll also be able to upload the covers. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:42, 15 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Black Chronicles ==<br />
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Hello Phil! I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2892456 The Long Black], but I suppose that there are two series with the same title ''The Black Chronicles''. Could that be the case? Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:04, 2 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I did a quick check on Goodreads and there are indeed two different "The Black Chronicles" series. The older one is by J. A. Sanderlin and the newer one is by J. M. Anjewierden. The one for my submission needs to be changed to a new differentiated one. What's the best way to do that? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:19, 2 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Differentiating series names can be done by appending author's name between brackets for one of the two. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:44, 22 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Age of Deception ==<br />
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Hi. I have your submission on hold for a moment as I am wondering if there is a reason you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5061861 cloned this ebook publication], instead of editing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?814377 the already-existing one]? We generally do not create separate US and UK versions of a single ebook UNLESS they are distinguishable, eg by having different ISBNs. If there are differences, clearly state so in the notes field. If there are not, please edit the already-existing publication record. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:43, 22 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I think I chose wrong. I forgot to check the contents in the UK listing using the 'Look Inside' feature to make sure the two essays were there. Since they are, I'll edit the existing record and cancel the held submission. When I'm done, I'll primary verify since I have the ebook in hand. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:44, 22 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dreaming Tree ==<br />
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Can you please check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854744 this one]? If the ebook you have is from 1997, it cannot have ISBN13. If it has ISBN13, it is a later/updated version and needs to be re-dated. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:17, 31 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:This is definitely Version 1 of the ebook. Both Amazon and the publisher's website says the ebook pub date is 1997-12-01. Since the ISBN is only referenced on the publisher's website and not in the ebook, I'm going to remove it from the record. I'm really dubious that a DAW ebook was published in 1997 though. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:15, 31 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Or use the ISBN10 (better than lose it - it belongs to the work after all) - some sites tend to convert when posting older books because they forget ISBN10 was a thing. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:22, 31 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Switched to ISBN10 and submitted :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:29, 31 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== 1636: Seas of Fortune ==<br />
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$7.73 sounds like $6.99+10.5% tax :) So I fixed the price. If it was indeed priced at 7.73, please correct it back :)<br />
Two more things:<br />
- When cloning back in time, all existing titles need to be redated back to the oldest date. I fixed them<br />
- Are the maps different from the ones in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433154 paperback]? If not, they need merging/varianting (in case of titles/authors differences although they will need to be explained).<br />
The book is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855944 here]. As usual - if you have questions, please do not hesitate. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:27, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I bought the ebook on amazon.com for $7.73 (before tax) on 2014-01-01 so I'll change it back.<br />
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:You beat me on the redating of the titles. I was going to submit them tomorrow but I guess I should have submitted them at the same time. Is that the best practice? :)<br />
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:As to the maps, I believe they are all the same. I have proof of the author(s) in my owned copy. The title names I used are my attempt to follow the naming rules in the template. The names used in the other pubs are non-standard so I don't see that they should be a variant (plus they are missing the author credit). The ones for the paperback edition [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?496413 here] are also incomplete. What should be done? I don't see any tool I can use to merge them even if I change their titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:42, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I think that was the time they had the tax included on eBooks - but that’s fine. Make sure it is clear what date the price is from. :) <br />
:: Merge is done via advanced search on titles of pub level or author level duplicate finders cannot catch them. If you are still not sure how, I can post some more instructions tomorrow. :) And yes - date changes and so on should be submitted in parallel with the clone. Or someone will remind you not to forget them. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:57, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::OK. I'm going to try to merge the older non-standard map titles into my new standard titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:10, 9 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Shout if you need help :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:51, 9 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Epic: Fourteen Books of Fantasy ==<br />
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A few things about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?858828 this one]:<br />
* Anthology is for a group of stories or poems by multiple authors; when there are at least 2 novels in the list, the type is ombinus<br />
* When using Goodreads in the notes, add the ID for it in the external IDs<br />
* Can we try importing next time so I do not need to merge that many titles? :)<br />
I fixed #1 and #3, will leave you to fix #2 and to add either notes or the first publications themselves for the stories/novels which were not merged and whose date do not match the publication date. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:58, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Crime and... ==<br />
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You may have a bit of a typo in the title of Blaze Ward's essay [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?858833 here] - unless it is really called "Crime, and... (Crime and...)". I also marked the anthology as non-genre so it is clear why we have partial contents. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:26, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Nope. That's actually how it's spelled. (Before regularization it was "Crime, And…") :) I thought about marking it non-genre but wasn't sure. So if it's more than 50% non-genre, mark it non-genre? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:03, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: So it has the stuff in the brackets in there? OK then. <br />
:: Genre publications are all in; non-genre ones only get their genre contents. So if I am skipping stories because they are not genre, the non-genre flag goes on the publication. This one is easy - with only 1 story being ours, the whole publication is absolutely non-genre. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:17, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Drat. The part in parentheses are indeed a goof. I'll fix it. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:21, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Interview credits ==<br />
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Interviews are a bit special - we cannot variant Interviewees so canonical names need to be used - see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Interviewee the help page]. You can add notes in the publication and in the interview on exact credit. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?473503 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:31, 27 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales from the Archives: Volume 1 ==<br />
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Just a reminder - you could have done both edits in the EditPub. When a title has a single publication, you can change the date, authors and title of the title record inside of the publication :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:24, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Looks like I need to have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1867762 this title] removed as a variant from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2437826 this title] so that I can then merge the two titles together correctly. The correct data is in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1867762 this record]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:23, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Yup. But because you caught me in a good mood, I did the untangling for you this time :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:26, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you! :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:29, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== SurrenderPublication ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?462880 The maps here] have very uncommon and non-standard naming. Use "The Island of Avristar" or "The Island of Avristar (map)" or even "The Island of Avristar (map)(Surrender)" if you must but this format "Surrender (map: The Island of Avristar)" is wrong on so many levels for the DB... for one - we put the book name in the brackets, not the actual name of the entry. And map is always added on its own in brackets and not as a part of... something. Would you mind fixing these? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:08, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. I thought I was following the correct naming standard for interior art which says "Interior art should have the same title as the fiction or essay it is associated with." but I'll fix these and do it the way you requested going forward . [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:02, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: That means that if the story is called "The World of A", the interior art which illustrates it is called "The World of A", not that we make up a long name out of whole cloth. See the next sentence: "If it is independent of other content, and has no apparent title or caption" - yours have its own name. If it is not attached to anything special, it will be called "Surrender" or "Surrender (map)". But as you have a name here, you can use that. We add (map) to maps to separate them from illustrations (as a practice). Hope that makes sense. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:10, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::That makes sense. Thanks. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:17, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking ISO disks? ==<br />
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Hi! Have you thought of adding links like I did for my Box Set[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?735216] to Warlord[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?861883] and the rest of your BAEN ISO's so they connect to the ISO disks?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:33, 10 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:If there's a better way to link them, I'd be happy to change what I've done and will do so going forward. How do you setup those links when the problem I'm working around is an omnibus included in another omnibus? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:45, 10 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I was thinking more like the link I added to Warlord[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?861883]. also the overall Omnibus ISO's could use a bit more structure(better grouping of series and collections). As for the omnibus in an omnibus I'll have to look back at previous work to see how I handled it, been away for three years and I'm a bit rusty on somethings.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:28, 10 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks. I like the way you did the link on "Warlord" and will both incorporate links going forward and put them in place for the existing titles. I am thinking about what would make sense for a better structure for these CDs/ISOs but it may take a while to implement. The need to use the included omnibus regular titles instead of the omnibus title names makes it especially complex. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:13, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::Is the order of publication I see on The Honorverse[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?860583] disk the same as the ISO order? As for the omnibus problem, what you have now would appear best and the note you have helps explain it. I was thinking of ordering the books as novels, anth. , coll. then omnb. with any intros and excerpts with the appropriate section and order numbers displayed.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 17:12, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::The ISO is an exact image of the CD so it has the same directory structure. There is a display order on the index webpage that tends to show titles ordered within series for the focus author for the CD. The extra titles are a bit more variable on how they are shown but most often just shown by title grouped alphabetically by author on a secondary webpage. I could try to change to that sequencing but that still leaves the omnibus title problem (grrr...). I rather like your idea for grouping alphabetically by type. That would let me put the omnibus titles last as they are now. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:11, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
Go a head and reorder them. Lets just do the Honorverse one first, get it displayed right and use that for the others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 18:42, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I was thinking a little more aggressive. Such as giving the Honor Harington novels a single number say 2 and the ten on the list would 2.1. 2.2, 2.3 etc. The intro about the disk would be 1. Anything with a series would get its own number. If you want I can do this one as an example. I may display the numbers on some to see how it looks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:06, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Go ahead. I'm great at following good examples! :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:56, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::How does this look. Each number is the beginning of a series or a single book(The Honorverse[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?860583]).[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 18:28, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I kinda like it but someone should add a note inside of the publication explaining the numbering and what is showing - because otherwise someone will helpfully put the visible ones behind pipes sooner or later :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:45, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::Note added.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:30, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::I like this and can do it for the other CDs/ISOs. There's one change I'd like to see in the sequencing which is to move the "Worlds of Honor Anthologies" to immediately after "War of Honor". That puts all of the Honorverse titles together per the theme of the CD as well as making the sequence match the title sequence on the website index page of the CD. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:56, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
OK, made the change in in title order.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:27, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! That looks great! I'll use this as a template for the rest of the Baen CD-ROM Library series. I'll start fixing the rest of the existing series members and then go back to adding new members.<br />
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: A question. Now that we have a solid version for the Honorverse CD, should I just clone it and make the minor changes needed to create the ISO title as well? I do have the ISO in hand so it would be easy to do. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:33, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Not a subject I known much about. I thought the ISO was the CD ROM. If their two different things than yes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 11:38, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Had a quick look at the subject and and the ISO is the download version and the CD ROM was the physical. Got it.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 11:42, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::I've been thinking some more about the ISO versus CD-ROM situation. I've been planning that each type should have its own separate title but am I wrong? Should there only be a single title but two publications, one for the CD and a different one for the ISO with (ISO) added to the title name? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:21, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: IF the ISO is the downloadable version of the disk, they get one Title, two publications if their titles match. If they don't match, they get separate titles and one of them become a variant of the other. If all you want is to do is to add the ISO on the title so they are separate, don't :) Just use the same title and explain the format in the notes of the publication. We do not do separate titles for ebook, hc, pb and cd after all. No reason to do it differently here IF they are the same. See how [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2931192 all formats] use the same title for example (yeah, I know - more complicated but the principle is the same). We do not spin a new title for format change, we do it for title/author/language change and contents change.Hope that makes sense. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:29, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::Single title it is with two publications. I have a little bit of cleanup to do! :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:41, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Famous last words. There is always some cleanup to be done around here... :d [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:48, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales from High Hallack: The Collected Short Stories of Andre Norton, Book 1 ==<br />
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The Cleanup Report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?93 Publication Title-Reference Title Mismatches] show [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442115 Your pv pub], too. So the question is how the title on title page is printed? The title of publication has to be the same as the collection title. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:47, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:The title page reads exactly "Tales from High Hallack The collected short stories of Andre Norton, book 1". Should I make this pub a variant of the current title to fix the problem or is there something else that should be done instead? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:00, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep, unmerge yours and variants will need to be created. As a rule - if you are changing a publication title, you either change the title one at the same time (if there is only one pub) or you split out from the bigger title and get yourself a variant. . And I wonder if the other ones do not need some massaging. I'd check with their PVs to see what is on their title pages if I were you. Ha, one of them is you. How convenient. So both ebooks have different title pages? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:33, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::How do you unmerge a title? And yes, both ebooks I own have different title pages! However, I just double checked [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?454465 this one] and it is correct. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:54, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Go on the title page. Look on the left for a menu called "Unmerge Titles]. :) There is a help page once you start the process ([http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:UnmergeTitles here is it directly]. One warning - never use that to try to pull novels out from omnibuses - it will create a new novel with the name of the omnibus. This is what Remove Titles is for. The UI WILL show you the ability to uunmerge from inside of the omnibuses but it is... not what you want. In this case no omnibuses involved so no issues. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:06, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks! I looked for the tool on the pub instead of the title. Sigh... Unmerge submitted. I'll create the variant once it's approved. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:14, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Think of it this way - you remove title from a publication which kicks a title from a pub but does not change any titles so it belongs inside of a pub menu. When you are splitting titles, you want each of the publications to keep a copy - you will get 1 or more new titles. The newly created titles get their names and authors and dates from the publication you split it with (so if you check 4 checkboxes on that screen, there will be 4 new titles); the old one remains the same. Which also means that sometimes the old one needs re-dating - if the early guys had been kicked out, it is the reverse process of importing future dates. And sometimes the 4 you just split out need to actually be merged together :) Always fun around the DB :) <br />
:::::: PS: First title wins in such cases on the variants - so the parent will be the first one (date-wise) unless there is a very good reason for a reversed variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:27, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Second PS: As "The Collected Short Stories of Andre Norton" is the series and we do NOT record the series as part of the name of a book even when it is there on the title page (we use simplified titles), are you really sure you want to carry that long name and not just "Tales from High Hallack: Book 1". This will be more in sync of how we record titles (and sooner or later someone will decide to clean your title for you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:30, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Changed the title and pub names to "Tales from High Hallack: Book 1". So, since this title date is 2 days earlier than "Tales from High Hallack, Volume 1", "Volume 1" should become the variant, correct? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:13, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yup. I did not look but make sure the coverart title is also fixed. And you technically have a few essays that need splitting as well - the ones that carry the book name on them (if we want to be by the rules as strictly written anyway. I usually do not press too much on that when the difference is in Book/Volume/Vol. or 1/I and similar but the cover title will need to be fixed). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:23, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
Thanks for solving that problem. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 13:52, 15 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Glad to help. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:44, 15 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales from High Hallack, Volume 1 ==<br />
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HI! The title says Book 1[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442115] but the cover illustration is Volume 1. Is the cover image incorrect and the inner title "Book 1". THanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:06, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: See the thread just above this one. :) We do need a note on the discrepancy in the Pub notes though. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:12, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I'll add the note when I correct the titles of the two essays. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:43, 15 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Honorverse Disk Authors ==<br />
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If I approve [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125295 this], you will have a publication author different from the reference title author which is a big no-no around the DB. I do not see any other updates pending so there are two ways this can go technically:<br />
* You can split the title and variant it to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2925798 this] once I approve the author change.<br />
* Both pubs and the title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2925798 here] get unknown as an author. <br />
As there are no moderator notes telling me what direction you are going and this single update will leave everything midway, I am making sure that you plan to finish the needed updates - so I am checking on the plan before I approve. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:06, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Oof. I did this trying to follow the advice given near the bottom of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Baen_CD-ROM_Library this] Help Desk topic. At the time, I was thinking that the physical CD-ROMs would have a different title than the ISO images so one could be "uncredited" and the other be "unknown". I changed my mind and have since been working under the assumption that they are just two different publications of the same title and forgot about the author differences. While writing this note, I've also come to the conclusion that I have been misapplying the advice since with the ISO images, I am still working with a primary source, not a secondary source as I somehow originally assumed. Therefore, the author for all of the ISO images should be "uncredited" just like it is for the CD-ROMs. Does this make sense? It if does, I'll change the author for the titles and pubs I've already created for ISOs from "unknown" to "uncredited" and cancel this submission. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:34, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I’d use uncredited for both. Unknown on a publication is for cases where we literally have no idea who may be credited as the author because the only source we have has only a title but no author. Very very rare. We are more likely to variant into unknown (when we know that there is a ghost writer but still have no clue who). Add the note that the credit is based on the format you have if that will make you feel better. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:44, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Imports, Imports, imports... ==<br />
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You know that we have an Import function and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_pub_dups.cgi?864571 this] could have been avoided (including all the typing), right? Go and merge things now please :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:12, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I haven't used Import enough that it even occurred to me. I'll certainly use it in the future - there are still another 11 Baen CD-ROM Library titles to do so there'll be plenty of opportunity! BTW, it hasn't been a lot of typing. I'm using a spreadsheet and doing a bunch of cut and paste both to build the entries where possible and then to enter them into the Add Omnibus form. I'll get the merges submitted later tonight. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:02, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Typing or copy/pasting and then merging and then having someone to approve the merges. Still more work for you and for the moderators than it could have been. :) Import is your best friend. If it is one title, import or merge will take the same time so I tend not to care what people do - I will point to the import but won't insist. But for big omnibus editions? Well... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:15, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The 1634: The Baltic War Disk ==<br />
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This is a huge one[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865041], I think adding some reference numbers in notes to the corresponding sections might help for this one.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 13:08, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It is huge and the most complex one so far. Are you thinking something like a section called "Title Quick Reference" with entries formated "Title #n" "Series/Universe name"? If there's only one title in a series or it's a bunch of unrelated titles, that could make the notes huge as well (and some of them are already big because of the omnibus notes). Do you have an example I could model on or adapt? For that matter, I'm going to have to go back to the other Baen CD-ROM Library titles and do the same expansions of the anthologies and collections. Doing the expansions for this one, I discovered some variations in a couple of the contents that I hadn't originally noticed and that we need to track. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:18, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::You have existing lists in notes already why not add the the sorting # to this. I'll have a better look today or tomorrow and maybe do a sample test.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 15:32, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::Great! BTW, the existing lists in the notes are only for the contents of the omnibus titles since there wasn't any way to include an omnibus inside another omnibus and I didn't want to lose track of the titles that were actually included on the CD-ROM/ISO image. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:21, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Minor change as a first idea I underlined series and collection titles with description beside three of them. Are there more titles to come, or is this complete?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 18:25, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::That looks good. I think there's a space missing between the titles and the descriptions though. What do you think about underlining all of the omnibus titles in the notes so they stand out more? In any case, all the titles and notes are there and this pub is complete. Once we settle on this formatting, I'm ready to clone this pub to create the ISO pub version. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:15, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Adjust and add as you see fit, I'm done for the night and won't be back unto tomorrow evening. I have some other ideas but they will have to wait. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:30, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::I made some changes that I think help with clarity. Let me know what you think. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:26, 26 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Yes much better. It looks and feels more organized and easier to follow. How many more disc are there?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:48, 26 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I'll put the same changes in the other existing titles. I have another 3 CD-ROMs in hand plus another 10 ISO images. If someone else has the missing CD-ROMs, they should be able to clone the ISO images and make the appropriate changes to match the format of what has already been done. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:15, 27 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Isaac Asimov writing as Paul French ==<br />
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As per the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Author help page]: <br />
* "For example, Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books were originally published under the pseudonym of Paul French, but later reprints were given both names: "by Isaac Asimov, writing as Paul French". In these cases you should still enter Paul French as the author and record the dual credit in the notes.". <br />
I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869757 here]. And yes - we probably have a few copies that need fixing but still - let's not add new copies with the wrong author credit :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:04, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! I cloned it so I didn't think to check the fields help. I suspect the clone source is also wrong but it doesn't have the note so I can't be sure. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:33, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well - it made me laugh. It is literally the example we are using to explain how to add the author in these cases. :) Sometimes some of the very old books are added before the rules were agreed on (and sometimes an editor was just asleep at the wheel). So... always check things when they look interesting. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:46, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: One thing: As we always go by the title page of the book I assumed that when you said "The author is shown as "Isaac Asimov writing as Paul French".", that's what you meant. If that is not the case and the title page says something else, we need to update again and explain what says what and where (and the title page will determine how we handle the author field). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:02, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::::All is well. That's exactly what it has on the title page. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:17, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Four Roads Cross ==<br />
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As Paw Press is a UK company, the Price field will contain the UK price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?871463 here]. Out of curiosity: why adding the German price to a UK book? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:35, 6 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:OK. Missed that in the fine print. :) Do I need to make that change for his other pubs where I have both prices? It was simultaneously released on Amazon in the US, UK, DE, and AUS. I had a link to the amazon.de site for the price so I thought I'd include it. If it's a problem, I won't do it in the future. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:22, 6 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There are multi-country publishers and there it is fair game. But the ones domiciled in one country? Unless they are publishing for a different country, we want their home currency. With ebooks, if the price is weird (2.62 or something), look around the other 3 English language Amazons and see where the price is "proper" - 99% of the cases, that's your proper domicile for the book. With other languages, it is trickier. Usually language follows the Amazon (except for Spanish (Spain/Mexico) and Portuguese (Amazon Spain, Germany or Netherlands for the European version; Brazil for the Brazilian where you need to figure out which side of the ocean that edition is from) but there are publishers who actually price in US$ - and just convert for the non-US markets even when the text is not English - usually self-publishing or publishers which belong to authors.<br />
:: BTW: I fixed one more this evening. You can add as many prices as you want to the notes so the German one is not a problem - I was just curious). But yes - if you have other cases like that and the same publisher published, I'd swap them. One day we may have a multi-field in there so all prices will be on equal footing but in the meantime - follow the publisher. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:31, 6 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14492 Four from the Witch World] ==<br />
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Hi, I just saw that this publication has February stated in the notes but March (1989-03-00) in the publication date field. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:39, 9 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for catching that. Fixes to the pub and title have been submitted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:57, 9 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Expanding Universe Volume 3 ==<br />
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In your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646894 this anthology], will you check on the spelling of the story by T. M. Catron? Is it "Fugitive's Gamble" or "Fugitives' Gamble"? I ask because I have the printed version of the anthology and mine is spelled "Fugitives' Gamble". Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:15, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::The ebook shows "Fugitives’ Gamble" as well. I missed that. Go ahead and make that title change. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 20:05, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Shadow of a Dark Queen ==<br />
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Regarding your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29843 Shadow of a Dark Queen], shouldn't the 'Novindus (map)' be page [6] since the page number is not printed? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 23:21, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:My interpretation of the page number rules is that the [#] construct is only used for pages that are before the numbered pages <b>and</b> where the unnumbered page would be before the first numbered page even if it is only derived from the first actual printed page number. In this case, the publisher apparently started numbering with the first printed page after the cover which is the half-title page but doesn't actually print a number on a page until page 8. Hope that makes sense. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:35, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: The first numbered page is page 8. The map is in the series of unnumbered pages before page 8. The second bullet point under "Pages without a printed page number" [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PubContentFields:Page here] applies, making this [6]. This also explaines the numbering in the last note, "Cast of Characters" spans pages [7] - 9. <br />
:: The first bullet point only applies to pages within a series of printed number. You have correctly shown page 11 without brackets even though it is unnumbered, since it occurs after page 8, the first numbered page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:20, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:::OK. Looks like I overthought it. I'll make the change. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:43, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: I only pointed this out because I think you are doing a great job and I can tell you care. Every additional pair of eyes that look at a record have the potential to make that record better. Thanks for your hard work! [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:07, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::Appreciated. There are so many twisty details in this application that it's challenging getting everything right! Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:34, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Belgarath the Sorcerer ==<br />
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Phil, there are two problems with your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196017 Belgarath the Sorcerer].<ul><br />
<li>The page number 'fep & bep' is not allowed by standards. I'm suprised this got by the moderator. Pick either fep or bep.Then, change the relevant note to "Endpaper map copyright © 1995 Larry Schwinger" used on both front and back endpapers. This wording is just for illustration, use whatever feels correct.<br />
<li>'Larry Schwinger' is an alternate name of 'Laurence Schwinger'. Make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2959761 Belgarath the Sorcerer (maps, endpaper)] a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1488175 Belgarath the Sorcerer (gatefold map)] using the top half of the make variant form. Tell me if this is new to you, I will do it and explain variants more fully. The best way to have hadled this title would have been to import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982486 Belgarath the Sorcerer (gatefold map)], That's what all the other pubs are using. We now the same map with different titles. If you wish to go this route. just merge your title with the last one I showed you.</ul> [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:34, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Agree about the page number and will change. However, if anything, the gatefold maps are the variant because they are from the paperback editions which were published later than the hardcover editions. Plus the endpaper art is specifically credited to Larry Schwinger on the copyright page so the record needs to show that even though 'Larry Schwinger' is a variant of 'Laurence Schwinger'. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:52, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Ignore the names of the titles for a minute. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5176564 This edit] linked the two titles so that they would both appear on the cononical author's bibliography page [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25806 here]. Take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_record_a_variant_title#Two_Existing_Entries Help:How to record a variant title] under the section 'Two Existing Entries'. <br />
:: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5176572 This edit] not technically necessary, changed the names to show your map name as the parent. To see why it wasn't necessary, look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1488175 the parent] title. Notice that both variants exist. If you click on any of the pb pubs, it still shows the 'gatefold' title, even though I changed the name of the parent. The same would have been true of the hc if I didn't change the title. Do you understand? Walk through all of this then ask questions. When this is clear, we'll look at another type of variant. (Unless you don't want to.)<br />
::I left the page number for you to fix. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:45, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks. I'm still wrapping my head around the variant process. In this case, I forgot that you have to create a variant parent if the author is not the cannonical author name. I see how to do it but hadn't done it myself yet. (Keeping the submission flow moving while waiting for approvals is painful.) I can think of these types of variants:<br />
:::*Straight title name variants where the author has the same name but the title varies. (These are straight forward and I have done them as well as Title unmerge and then variant.)<br />
:::*Author name variants where the title has an author where the author is a variant of the cannonical author name (as above). (Haven't done these but think I see how now.)<br />
:::Are there others? (BTW I may be slow responding for the next few days due to the holidays.) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:30, 19 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: No problem, answer when/if it suits you mood/schedule!<br />
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==== Variants Continued ====<br />
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The situation you reference above, new title under an alternative name where the parent doesn't exist is explained in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_record_a_variant_title#A_Single_Entry_Under_an_Alternate_Name A Single Entry Under an Alternate Name]. The mechanics of all variants fall into either section one or section two. <br />
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Here are some 'Alternate Names with Canonical Titles' which you have created. Taking care of them will give you some practice. I'm not saying whether a parent exists or not, you will have to determine that yourself.<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307199 Claire N. Vaccaro], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?334875 Travis Taylor], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?43721 Elizabeth Scarborough], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11708 Karen Rigley], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19205 Kevin Johnson], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?23016 C. Lee Healy], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?14656 Pauline Griffin], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?135430 Louis Glanzman], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25920 Donato].<br />
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You asked what other situations require variant treatment.<br />
*Translations are handled via make variant. (To see the example, make sure your preferences are set to Display translations on Author and Series pages <b>All</b> and 'Check' Display translations on Title pages) In 2019, an Englsih language magazine published a translation of an Austrian poet's German language poem, from 1976. <br />
# [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2937475 This title] is the English translation created the same as any other content title.<br />
# [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5138990 This variant] creates the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2941471 German parent]. Note all the fields we can access in one step. Here is how it looks on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?213941 Author's Bibliography].<br />
*Serializations are also handled via make variant. A serial title is merely another form of content title. Make variant is used to link the serial to a title record. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_connect_serials_to_titles Here] is the relevant help section.<br />
** [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5169715 This variant] creates the following [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2956770 title record] (note the rest of the serial installments have also been linked) resulting in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?275910 Author's Bibliography].<br />
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I know you could have looked all this up when you needed to, I did this to give you an easy reference while you get comfortable with the process. Hope it is of some use. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:36, 19 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Polgara the Sorceress ==<br />
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I was going to supply the promised primary varification for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196061 Polgara the Sorceress], but, I see the same problem as 'Belgarath the Sorcerer'. This one just needs the page number corrected, it has already been properly varianted. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Submitted fixes for this one. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:32, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Keltichronicon ==<br />
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We only add the publication title as a disambiguation for generic essay titles (Introduction, Foreword, etc.). We do not add it to fiction. If the author reuses a fiction title, we record the titles as per the publication and add a title note regarding the contents being different. So for the duplicate Keltichronicon titles, I added a title note of 'Author reuses "Keltichronicon" title in multiple publications. Do not merge without verifying content is the same.' vs. the proposed disambiguations. Feel free to tweak the notes to fit the content better if needed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:12, 30 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! One more item on my "Now I know how to do it right" list! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:33, 30 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Balance of Trade ==<br />
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I rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5193995 this one] for now. These two types of essays can be indexed if the editor finds them substantial (like the essay I added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?868181 here] for example). At 2 pages each (possible 2 pages anyway based on page numbers), these may be worth retaining as essays. As there is a PV, Bob can check the book and decide if they are worth having or they are just blurbs. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:24, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:OK. I'll check with him. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:48, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: After reviewing the Help text, I've decided that they meet the criteria and won't re-propose removing them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Beyond the Veil ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5200892 your submission] on hold as I am in doubt about the correctness of the date. In the notes you state "Gutter code "Q11" (March 1986) on page 213 indicates probable first printing", while recorded date is 1986-05-00. Could you check and/or clarify? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:46, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:That is the correct gutter code. I took the month from the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Gutter_code#:~:text=Please%20note%20that%20%22gutter%20code,the%20week%20of%20the%20year. Gutter Code Help page]. This seems to be a common issue for all three of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36342 Sacred Band of Stepsons / Beyond] series SFBC editions. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:57, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Do we know where the recorded date of May 1986 is coming from? Should we update it to March ? I'm not an expert on gutter codes and its relationship with publication dates, but I'm wondering... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:50, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Locus1 as it says in the first note. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:51, 18 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Oops, sorry about that. :) Thanks for the clarification! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 04:22, 19 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Mageborn Traitor Re forced reject ==<br />
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Hi Phil. I had to do a forced reject of this title[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5202566] the other night. You can copy the work from what I see in the link and resubmit. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 17:10, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Resubmitted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:23, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Runelords ==<br />
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Hi Phil! You want to change the title[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5207347] to the British variant "The Sum of All Men" plus add interior art under that title in the American edition. Just checking if this is a copy paste error or am I missing something. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 13:01, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:The title page shows "The RuneLords: The Sum of All Men". Since the series name isn't supposed to be in the title, that leaves the title as "The Sum of All Men", hence the changes. Am I misapplying the standard? BTW, the cover only shows "The Runelords". [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:18, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::I wonder if all Tor books have this on the title page, have a look at this in notes[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231937]. If that's the case than the title would be "The RuneLords: The Sum of All Men", which doesn't affect the series name. A bit more investigation maybe needed.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 14:54, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::If you click on[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?527034] External ID "US" and use look inside the title page is "The RuneLords: The Sum of All Men" , also the look inside Paw Prints shows the same.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 15:00, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::If you use look inside of other "Runelord" series Books the "Tor Books for David Farland" just abbreviates the title to "The Runelords"[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 15:08, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Looks like I made the wrong change and it should be "The RuneLords: The Sum of All Men" for both the title and the new interior art. Once that's done, I'll need to Unmerge the title and make it another variant. <br />
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::::I also question if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46402 this pub] actually exists or was a placeholder that should now go away. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:11, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Placeholder for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?119701 this one] (if you want another opinion). Zap it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::::Delete submitted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:50, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: I think its safe to say all the pb's are the same but what about the hc's, no one has PV one and look inside is useless.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 16:54, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Deleted , will be gone till later this evening.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 16:56, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::I'm working from a physical copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?119701 US first edition] and will PV once all my changes are in place. If you reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5207347 this submission], I'll resubmit everything along with the title and interior art title set to "The RuneLords: The Sum of All Men", then Unmerge and variant. Alternately, I think you can correct that submission as a mod and save one more approval. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:18, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: You can self-reject - go to your pending changes and you will see the option. :) Mods can not correct - we can approve or reject. Then we can fix/restore (aka copy things back) but we cannot modify a submitted change. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:21, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Deleted , will be gone till later this evening.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 16:56, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Here are several ideas to fix this.1-Leave everything as is.2-Change all the pubs and title record to "The RuneLords: The Sum of All Men" hc & pb(high probability this what all of them are) and if in the future the hc's have only "The Runelords" on the title page they can be unmerged and made variants. 3-Change only the pb's and unmerge the hc's now and make them variants, when a hc is PV in the future the title record can be left or reintegrated back to the longer title. Option 2 creating the hc variant is the easiest as a moderator, option 3 more work now and probably reintegration later. Thoughts?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:27, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::I agree with option 2. I think it's the most likely as well, especially since the Look-Inside of the ebook implies a 7th printing of the mass market pb as its source. I've submitted the changes for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2977728 interiorart] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?955433 maps] titles to make sure they aren't missed. The rest would be better done by a mod. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:57, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Away from computer will be back this evening. Will walk you through process this evening.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 13:43, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::More than happy to learn something new. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:23, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Ok. STEP 1-In edit this pub change the title & cover art in each pub to the longer version. STEP 2-in main tile record[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?26785], click "Edit Title Data" & change to longer title. STEP 3-Pick a pub ie[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278361] and click cover link, again "Edit Title Data" to longer title. Since "The RuneLords" title is already a variant, the new title just replaces it and nothing else to do. Have at it.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:09, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::I think I submitted all of them except [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46404 this] where I asked the sole PV to check it and change if necessary. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:53, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::One more, main title record[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?26785] to change, if you look at a random pub[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?119701] the title in Fiction and Essays is still "The Runelords", once changed than all done.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:32, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Historical Notes (The Dragon Waiting) empty record ==<br />
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Hi Phil! Just as a heads up when unmerging records you have to check if the title[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2977911] record is now empty. If more than one pub is connected to it this is not a problem. Two unmerged, one left empty which needs to be deleted. I'll let you submit the deletion.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 19:43, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Submitted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:41, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: If you are unmerging every single book, then you could have just renamed the thing instead (or unmerged the ones that need a new title/author and renamed whatever remains behind) - that way you don't have anything to clean after that. That way we also don't lose the history of the old (now deleted) title. Either way works at the end - but just heads up for a possible option. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 10:47, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Thanks. In this case it was one I had just added so no real history to lose. I'll keep it in mind though. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:20, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: Yep, noticed that - but it may be valid for other similar cases. You cannot submit the delete until the unmerge is approved (the system won't allow it). If you do a unmerge+rename, or just a rename (if all pubs need the new one), you can submit in parallel. As I said - just mentioning another way to get you to the same place. Thanks for taking care of this one :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:35, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Temporary Agency ==<br />
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In your recent change to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34715 this] pub, you seem to have mistakenly used Libris-XL instead of LCCN for the external entry. You may also want to PV it while you're there. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:14, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:The record shows he verified it on the 18th. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:36, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::My bad. It was indeed LCCN and I did the PV too quickly. Fix submitted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:57, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Nice to see a non-transient PV. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:29, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bujold ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bujold&type=Name; Since Lois McMaster Bujold has dozens of credits and Lois Bujold only has one, I think they're the same and the shorter name should be made a variant; the longer name has several interior art credits, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:14, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Agreed. Variants submitted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:19, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Iron Butterflies ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/voyagersnovel00lord; You just PV'd this book, and I searched for more info and found the ISBN on OL links to that book on Archive.org, which has Iron Butterflies' ISBN on the copyright page but a totally different one on the covers. Don't know if that's useful or not. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:32, 7 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Interesting OCLC problem. I saw that when preparing my edit for "Iron Butterflies" and have added the correct WorldCat ID in that edit. I didn't make a note of the OCLC lookup problem though. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:47, 7 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Magic Cup ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?311; Futura edition's art has 1979 dates because that's original edition's date; not sure if you're aware. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:17, 9 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:I assume you are talking about the interior art. Since the Futura cover is different from the US edition, I'm not sure that the interior art isn't different as well. I couldn't find any signatures on the illustrations so I have to assume they are different. That's why I used the 1984 date. I'll happily change the date and author if someone can prove art is the same. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:31, 9 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: https://archive.org/details/magiccupirish00gree; Link is for 1979 McGraw-Hill edition; this, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144215029789, shows, in photo #7, an illustration with a page of text next to it; I typed the phrase "feeding the chickens" from that page into the search box of the Archive copy and 1 hit came up, which was a page of text with the exact same illustration opposite. So I think they're the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:34, 9 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::You are correct. I'll change the artist to "Donald Dean Illustration Design" since that's how it is credited in the 1979 edition. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:10, 9 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Magic Cup: An Irish Legend ==<br />
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Hi Phil. I think the name change[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5222894] maybe a copy paste error? If so I'll approve and remove extra bit. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:32, 10 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Saw second submission looks more like a company name and not and individual name, so I'll approve.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:37, 10 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: See entry above this one for an explanation; I helped him out. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:39, 10 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Pharaoh Contract ==<br />
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Please talk to the other active PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5225654 here] to verify that their book also have the complete printer key and the same Canadian price. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:41, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:This was approved by GlennMcG. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:19, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Approved :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:28, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Voices from the Sky ==<br />
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Hi Phil. Just a reminder to unmerge the changed title[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?966414] and then merge with the existing variant.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:36, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the reminder. Unmerge submitted. Will merge after approval. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:16, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Children of Anthi ==<br />
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Hi Phil, <br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242631 This] is a bad update. The original note reads: <br />
* "Stated 1st printing of 1985 Ace ed.". <br />
Look at the note you are trying to put in its place<br />
* "No printer's key.". Nothing about a stated first printing. <br />
Which means one of two things:<br />
* Your book is not the same as the one you are trying to edit - so approving this edit will essentially invalidate the 3 primary verifications we have and will lose us information.<br />
* Somehow 3 PVs, two of them active, missed that the notes say "STATED 1st printing" while the book does not say anything of the type - which is possible but they need to check their books. <br />
Please discuss that with the 2 active PVs -- and figure out what the case is here. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:58, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Would you also put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242633 this submission] on hold for the same reason. It's the same issue and the same active PVs. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:22, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Done. I'd hope any moderator would do the same but mistakes happen. Now I have them both so you can work with the PVs, figure out what is going on and then we can deal with that. :) I opened the first one almost by mistake - I have a lot of on holds on the board from Fixer (our robot) and my finger slipped into yours - and decided to hold it as I was there anyway). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:32, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Used this a lot in the past "Stated 1st printing of 1985 Ace ed." as a catch all for something like "Ace Original / July 1985". These where early days in the database and less detail was used.. As it is I no longer have the books & several hundred others. Need to figure what's gone and remove verifications.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 19:25, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Found the books in the group not sold, replied to Phil on my page.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:09, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
Submission update. Mods can't approve submissions on hold by other moderators, will have to wait for Annie to pull hold or approve submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 12:08, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Thor's Hammer ==<br />
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Hi Phil. One of the titles needs to be unmeged{http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31585] & a new variant created. Since there are reviews I would unmerge the 1988 Thor's Hammer, next, update the current 1979 title record to the 1979 pub title & last made the newly created 1988 title record(just unmerged) a variant.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 21:45, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:Yep. Had already planned to do so but had to get the pub title change approved first. Have submitted the unmerge and the title rename. Will create the variant after those are approved. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:28, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:Excellent. Next lesson.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Faerie Wars ==<br />
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Had to do some fixing for the name change on this title[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?905752]. In this case there is another Interior Art title connected to it which caused a bit of a mixup in the variant display. I had to change the name back to fix the parent title record them unmerge the Faerie's Wars title, then change the name to Royo, next use advance search to find the parent cover art title record # since it already exists & create the new variant. I was thinking of walk you through the steps but I'll be busy for the next few days & it's probably better to learn the easier changes first. The second Royo was a stand alone title so only had to create a variant to the parent name. Cover art changes can be a little more complicated than fiction titles. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Link to: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction==<br />
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As you have PVd a Jim Butcher Dresden Files collection, you might be interested in this topic: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Series_Number_of_Dresden_Files_short_fiction Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction]. If you have any comments, suggestions or objections then please post them to this topic on the Community Portal so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thank you. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 09:52, 4 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Those AddVariants ==<br />
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I approved these two by mistake because my brain is still waking up. Careful with the two menus:<br />
* AddVariant - create a new VARIANT. I almost never use that menu - you can use it to add translations or new spelling of titles (but it is better to add the book and then use MakeVariant) or when you need a new empty variant (very very very rarely and well documented).<br />
* MakeVariant - create a parent. That's the menu you usually look for.<br />
I reversed the two Romas Kukalis variants you just added :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:31, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:Drat! I'll watch out in the future. Thanks for fixing them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:29, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Folk of the Air ==<br />
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As you verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39978 this one] last month, I hope you have easy access to it. Can you check if the Farrell character is Sam Farrell or Joe Farrell? I have a feeling that we have a name switch in this series which may explain some things around the series name - so let's check the text so I can figure out what we need to do. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:42, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:Wow! I'd expected to be able to do a quick skim and answer this question but the character is constantly referred to only as Farrell with no first name mentioned. I'd have to reread this to definitively answer since there's no ebook edition to do an electronic search within. That said, I found multiple reviews on Goodreads [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58647344-the-folk-of-the-air sic] where he is referred to as Joe Farrell. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:20, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: No worries, I found those - just wanted to see if there is something easily foundable in the book. If not, then we are good - I will operate based on what I have. Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:04, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon dates ==<br />
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Hi! I saw yesterday that you set the date for a 1976 anthology to 1976-01-01, basing it on Amazon as 'exact date' (I seem to remember that it was one edited by Martin H. Greenberg?). This is an erroneous date: Amazon is known to have dates from the pre-2010s set to the standard XXXX-01-01, when there's only the year known (or to make up or use erroneous date information). And if one thinks of it, the first of January is one of the most unlikely days of publishing (at least it was in 1976). (Amazon also sets a date of a given month to the first of that month, regardless if that is the actual day of publication: quite often this was found to be a Sunday, for example). <br />
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Just wanted to pass on this information. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:09, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Divergent Series ==<br />
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Phil, you added missing excerpts to some of your verified publication. I added the series and set the juvenile flag as needed. These edits will not show on your ' My Changed Primary Verifications' report, but I wanted you to be aware of them. If you have questions, ask. I only noticed them because I was looking at Veronica Roth for something else. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:17, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Khyber Connection ==<br />
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Phil, I'm holding this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5302102 submission]. You are adding the count of unnumbered pages, but you are not adding any content? From the help, 'There is no need to record these unnumbered pages if they contain no content that needs to be recorded.' [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:05, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for catching that. I do know better than to do that. I have cancelled the submission and resubmitted the edit without changing the page count. BTW, I couldn't follow the submission link you provided above. I get this error when I click on it: "Moderator privileges are required for this option". [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:29, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Aprroved, sorry about the link. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:22, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Siege & The Rescue ==<br />
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Phil, I mistakenly changed the publication dates to unknown for these 4th printings. I reinstated the year for each per your publication notes. The Siege needed to be changed anyway, you kept the date when cloning the first printing. Sorry to cause the alerts. Guess that means it's time to go to bed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:33, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== That Hideous Strength ==<br />
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Hi Phil. I think you forgot to adjust the date[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?900677] to 1966.23:12, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Sure did. Corrected and submitted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:29, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Twice Upon a Time ==<br />
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Phil, this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5328152 edit] incorrectly changed the page count. Please review the second bullet point under [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Pages] in the help section and submit an edit to restore the correct count. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:56, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for catching this. Restoration change submitted. I missed seeing the single page with a Roman numeral on it when I did the editing. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:13, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: No worries, the correction is approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:16, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Boundary Shock Quarterly ==<br />
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Phil, since you are a PV for a couple issues of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?50811 Boundary Shock Quarterly] I wanted to let you know I am doing a little 'housekeeping' on the series. I'm primarily moving the issue number and theme from the title to the notes. I highlight all changes in the note to moderator to make it easier to follow. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:08, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for the heads-up. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:12, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Foreward vs Foreword ==<br />
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Can you please double check the non-standard spelling of foreword in the following records?<br />
* {{T|2953362|Author's Foreward: A Regency That Never Was}} in {{P|46952|The Shadow of Albion}}<br />
* {{T|2953364|Author's' Foreward: An Empire That Never Was}} in {{P|304826|Leopard in Exile}}<br />
* {{T|2953647|Foreward (The Sword Is Drawn)}} in {{P|363647|The Sword Is Drawn}}<br />
* {{T|2959964|Foreward to the Revised Edition}} in {{P|21173|Magician: The Author's Preferred Edition}}<br />
If these are database typos, please correct. If the publication used this spelling, please add a title note stating the spelling is per the publication. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:17, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:All my typos. Edits submitted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:55, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Faerie Tale ==<br />
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Phil, this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5385579 submission] is trying to link to the image you asked to have deleted. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 12 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Drat! I must have confused which upload was bad. I have re-uploaded this cover. I'll see if I can locate which cover upload was actually bad. Sorry for the extra work. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:16, 12 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: No worries, approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:10, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Call to Quarters ==<br />
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Please double check the ISBN [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?911088 here]. I think it is for the tp, not the ebookThanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 18 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You're right. Edit submitted. A question that just occurred to me: Should I be creating the records for the other publications of the same title if they are listed on Amazon even though I don't/won't have them? I've been desperately trying to get though verifying/updating as much of my collection in the ISFDB as I can before it has to be packed away for my impending move and may have missed doing an expected thing. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:23, 18 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Approved. Absolutely, add records for any of the missing publications. Since you will not be providing a PV, additional notes are often necessary. For example. "Contents from Look inside" (or another source), when adding content titles to an unverified publication. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 18 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Changed Primary Verifications ==<br />
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I've had a number of Changed Primary Verifications, 82 just this year, and most of them are just External ID, so that was fine. The latest one, Chess With A Dragon, I saw it was ContentTitle, External ID, and Note, and decided to see what the changes were. When I look at the Edit History, it looks like nothing was changed, even though those three field were highlighted. Can you tell me why that is, please? Thanks. [[User:AndonSage|AndonSage]] 14:06, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: A quick note to assist here: it is a quirk of the system: the "History" was never designed to be a history - it is a side effect of how we do submissions. But as it can be useful in some cases, it had been linked and added to assist. As a result, once approved, you see which fields are changed but you cannot see the old value(s) - the new value is now showing where the old value used to be. This is why some moderators ask people to write better and more complete moderator notes and not just list the list of fields they are changing (so PVs can figure out what happened - the system has the list of fields, what it does not have are the details). You can also look at older edits on the same record - if the same field was changed earlier in one of them, then you can see the old value there (as a "new value"). Hope that helps. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:36, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I can't add to what Annie stated. For "Chess with a Dragon" for example, I only added the WorldCat ID. Over the last months and several hundred edits, I've been adding more explicit info to the moderator notes to try to give a better look into the change history. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5394882 this submission] as an example (though it's not one for something where you are a PV). [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:34, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks for the response :) [[User:AndonSage|AndonSage]] 13:12, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Call to Quarters ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?911256 Call to Quarters], you don't need this statement "Amazon shows the publisher as CreateSpace" (a self-publisher). You show the publisher as it is on the title page, and you state where it came from. That's sufficient. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:54, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Submitted edit to remove it. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:33, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:36, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Squadron Alert ==<br />
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I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5396875 this submission], but have a question. I see a note about Roman Numerals (not yours), but I don't see any Roman Numerals in the Pages field. What's up? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:05, 22 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I probably should have asked myself. The absolute count of pages is 316. Pages 1-4 are unnumbered. There are Roman numerals printed on pages v-vii. The next printed page number is 11 and the last printed page number is 316. There is a map on unnumbered page 9/ix. Does that mean the page count should be ix+305 then? The LCCN and WorldCat records are no help since they both show a count of 316. BTW, the same situation exits here in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32925 record] and here in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45039 record]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:36, 22 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The Pages field should be vii+316 (Highest <b>printed</b> Roman numeral plus the last page of the book). We always include the Roman numerals, even if there are no indexed titles. The page numbers of the content titles are correct. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:15, 22 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Edits submitted for all three Roland Green pubs that have this problem. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:32, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:54, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Swordspoint ==<br />
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Careful when moving LCCNs around. Take for example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5417250 this one]. It is a valid LCCN (and that is why we used a template for it) but it belongs to the Arbor House edition, not to the Tor one. So we do not add it to the Tor edition as an external ID. Feel free to edit again and note that it is on the copyright page but belongs to a different edition. Verifying it with lookup is not just about looking if it connects, we also need to make sure the edition and the rest of the details match. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:09, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Wow! I blew that one. I usually do check but obviously missed in this case. Corrected update submitted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: That's part of why we have the two sets of eyes system. I approved quite a lot of updates from you after this one which were ok so I think you were just distracted or something :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:57, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Lammas Night ==<br />
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Phil, I approved your three edits to this publication and its associated title records. When there is only one publication, you can edit the title record, the coverart title record and the publication with one submission. Every little bit that helps keep the size of the submission queue down is appreciated. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:22, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== 979 ISBNs ==<br />
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When you see an ISBN starting with 979 and you use Amazon as a source, always add the ASIN as well. All links to Amazon on the site use ISBN10 (they actually use ASINs because this is how Amazon had always prefered it but for 978-starting ISBNs of paper books, the ASIN is ISBN10). So for 979 ones, the links won't work. So we add ASINs - as we do with any ebook or audible book. If you are adding a lot of new US books, the scenario will become more and more likely to happen - the agency selling ISBNs to small presses and independent authors in USA ran out of 978 ISBNs some time last year so unless someone already had the ISBN, all new ones will be coming as 979s. I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916843 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:45, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. Should I always add the ASIN for paper books where the source is Amazon even if they have a 978 prefix? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:10, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: No. Only when the ASIN starts with a B - if it is numerical, it is ISBN10 and we do not use the field for that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:29, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Audible books ==<br />
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When adding an Audible book, we want the list price, not the price Amazon would sell it to you for. In Amazon.com it is hiding under "Buy with 1-click" (if you have that enabled) or somewhere in the general vicinity of the top right corner of the book description usually (or under the cover on mobile) - when you select that radio box, under it there is a "List Price: $24.95" for example. You can also check the list price on Audible.com (it is called "Regular price" there). I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916845 here] and added the Audible ASIN while I was at it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:51, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
PS: And we have a Narrator template. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:05, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Will do. Since I have an Audible account, the 1-click price is never the list price for me. I've been trying to get the list price by using a different browser that is not signed-in to Amazon but at least in this case I must have forgotten to search for the title instead of copying the URL from the signed-in account. It looks like I should always just to go to the Audible site to get both the price and the Audible-ASIN. I didn't know about the Narrator template but I'll switch to using it. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:22, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I did not say to use the 1-click price itself. I said (probably not very clearly) to click on its radio box and look UNDER it - on the next like in Amazon :) I have an Audible account as well - the List price is always hiding under the 1-click one. Hope that helps. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:28, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A King of Masks and Magic ==<br />
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Phil, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5442136 this submission] as it would duplicate an existing pub. You just need to import the cover art title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:31, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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I approved your clone submission creating the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918415 Audio CD] version. You can pick up the length and narrator from the digital audio download above. Tantor would not create a different recording for each format. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:40, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Oops! Thanks for catching it. I submitted the import of the cover art [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5447745 here] and cancelled the held submission. <br />
:For the CDs, I assume that I should note that the length and narrator are from the digital audio edition? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:13, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Up to you, but I don't think it's necessary. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:06, 9 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rules of Redemption ==<br />
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Occasionally the Audible ASIN is an ISBN 10 like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918427 this one]. You enter it in the ISBN field, converting to ISBN 13 when neccessary. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:17, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I wasn't aware that the Audible IDs that don't start with B are ISBNs but they didn't look like Audible-ASINs which is why I didn't include them as Audible-ASINs. I'll take that into account in the future. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:15, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Just a small clarifying note - unlike paper books ASINs, we always record the Audible ASIN in the Audible ASIN field as well so the link to Audible.com can be created (unlike the Amazon links, we don’t have the Audibles on the left menu). So for Audible ASINs which are numeric, they get recorded in their own field and also converters to ISBN13 to go into the isbn field as John explained above. Hope this makes sense. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:26, 9 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dating excerpts ==<br />
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Hi, I have three submissions of yours on hold [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495384], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495385], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495388], as I noticed that you dated excerpts to the date when the source novel was first published (do I have that correctly understood?) However, that is not correct. The excerpt must be dated to the date of first appearance of the excerpt itself, not of the parent novel. You may want to double-check other edits you've made in the same vein that may have been inadvertently approved, and/or you may want to start a discussion . Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:15, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I used those dates for the excerpts because the copyright statements for them on the copyright page had those dates in them. I didn't even look at the first pub dates for their related full works. The ones you put on hold are title removes for the ones that don't apply to the specific publications. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:31, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Just chiming in to add the help page which governs these dates: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Date here]: "Excerpts. Use the date when an excerpt was first published in that form, not the date when the original text it is taken from was published.". The copyright date is never used to date a text in our DB - we look at the publications they appear in, not at whatever dates the copyright shows. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:35, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::This is the first time I ever remember seeing a copyright date specifically stated for an excerpt but I'll make sure to be wary in the future. The problem for these three cases is that the existing excerpts are only dated as unknown so I'm not sure which ones to keep. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:12, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: Keep the earliest date matching a publication date where the excerpt is in or leave it as 0000-00-00 if all the publications it is in are later printings with no dates. If it is later found in a dated book, someone will adjust it based on that. I also like adding the first and last sentence of an excerpt (and any other known information - "Chapter one" or whatever else is visible) to its notes to facilitate the recognition of repeated excerpts. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2990061 this one] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2990062 this one] for an example (always easier to show than to explain) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:22, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::This submission is still correct since it is just a removal [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495388]. Please approve it as is. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:23, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: MagicUnk is in Europe and probably off for the day already and noone can touch things he has on hold I am afraid -- I can assist with the help pages and advice but I cannot touch the submission. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:14, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::::: I've approved held submissions so you can go in and adjust the excerpt dates. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:21, 9 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== A New Clan ==<br />
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Phil, I'm required to cancel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5499425 this submission] since the publication date is more than 90 days out. Ping me when we are inside 90 days and I will unreject and approve the submission. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:33, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:OK. I saw the warning but wasn't sure what to do. In the future, I'll watch the date more closely. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:27, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Just as a data point: I rarely add anything more than 60-70 days out - even though 90 days are permitted and it will be approved, things tend to change a bit more that far out (and sometimes sources just do not update on time if there are delays and changes). The publishers had somewhat stabilized since the madness of the start of the pandemic and the schedules are a lot more stable but they still wobble more than they used to pre-2020 and updates are a bit slower when there are date changes so books added 3 months out often need an update as the dates get closer (the reason I have somewhat of a visibility on that is because I had been adding a big chunk of our pre-release editions in the last few years). It also depends on the publisher: Baen had been mostly stable lately but even they get some wobbles (interestingly enough, their wobbles tend to be towards releasing earlier, not later). If you insist on adding closer to the 90 days mark, verify the date on the publisher site, not just on Amazon - some of the Amazon records are added during the planning of the year and never updated until they are closer to the date - within 2-2.5 months for example. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:53, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Fifth Season & The Obelisk Gate ==<br />
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Please review the following two submissions, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5506396 The Fifth Season] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5506400 The Obelisk Gate]. The modified titles were removed by submissions processed on 2022-12-09, one day after these were submitted. I'll hold the submissions pending your review. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:03, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Looks like I created my own problem. I've cancelled these updates. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:55, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Inherit the Stars ==<br />
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Please check the price [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925726 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:30, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Oops! Correction submitted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:06, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:42, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== T. Carlin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?900950; Cover artist and interior artist have different first names; intentional or mistake? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:36, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:My mistake - wrong cover artist. I submitted an update that corrected the cover artist to be Damoro Design along with enhancing the cover art note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:25, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Silent Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47237 this] is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See [https://ifdpublishing.com/product/trilobite-returns-to-helvoran-large-print/ here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:20, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:OK. Go ahead and make the changes to correct it. I just PV'ed it but didn't add the note or artist. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:28, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 15:22, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Anne Renwick ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?324810 Anne Renwick]. Would you mind checking all the excerpts to see which can be merged? I'm asking you since you own all the necessary publications. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Will do. Some of them will resolve when I remove them from the audiobook and audio CD editions so it may take a few days. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Icebreaker (Patreon edition) ==<br />
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Consider creating a publication record rather than adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514244 this information] to the title record. I'm not insisting nor am I holding the submission. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:41, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I'm willing to but I'm following the guidance given to me [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive19#Early_releases_from_Baen_and_Patreon here] back in 2021. In fact, I'd like to do it because I also have saved the associated covers so they could be uploaded later and this would let me upload those as well. As far as I know, at this point it's only 30 Glynn Stewart titles that would be impacted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:21, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: How different are the covers and the books from the mass market edition? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:37, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::: I approved your submission. Thanks for the heads-up, I didn't notice that discussion last year. Not treating them as separate publications doesn't make sense to me, but I'll bow to the conventional wisdom. Hold on to your covers, maybe this will come up again. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:42, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::The covers are the same as the ebook covers but have PATREON EDITION prominently printed on them. The title pages also have PATREON EDITION printed on them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 20:40, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Let's wait out the holidays and we probably should start the discussion again. The Patreon editions are not eArcs and that conversation went in that direction very quickly. I am not sure the difference was even noticed later on... On one hand, we don't enter every single "version" of an ebook unless there is a difference enough (or we will have hundreds of versions per ebook record because some authors upload new files constantly). Pn the other, determining what difference matters is tricky - a new cover or a new excerpt always qualify (as we record data for those); Patreon - I am not sure. So we probably should try to have this discussion again and see if it can stay on topic. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:10, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Now that we're well past the holidays, how do we restart the discussion? Glynn Stewart just published another Patreon Edition for a new title. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:22, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ian Douglas variants ==<br />
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What were you trying to do with those? The canonical name for that author is William H. Keith, Jr. so the variants under the Ian Douglas name can only exist if there is a book containing them. If I approved them, they could be deleted overnight when the report finds them. So instead of varianting first, add the book which contains them and then variant them up to the correct canonical title. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:55, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:This is messy. Titles are the same but the author is Ian Douglas instead of William H. Keith. The ebook title pages show "Originally published under the name William H. Keith". Note no "Jr." I expect that should be a note, correct? Do I still create new and variant to the title by "William H. Keith, Jr."? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 14:35, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Yes. The best way to handle that cause is to add the books with the name Ian Douglas and then variant post-approval. The lack if the Jr. in the "originally published" statement is kinda irrelevant unless you can track a book with the name without the Jr. - in which case there will be yet another variant. The parent title will always be using William H. Keith, Jr. even if he never published the story under that name because this is the canonical name. <br />
: I can unreject and approve the variants if you want and if you plan to add the books today - but if they are still around overnight, they may get deleted (if someone works the orphaned titles report). Let me know how you want to proceed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:49, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== GraphicAudio audio books ==<br />
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Just a quick note - these are usually dramatizations and not readings. Which makes them ineligible under the current rules - they do read most of the narration but they do edit the dialogs. We won't record a performance of Hamlet either - straight readings are eligible, dramatizations are out. So when you see this publisher, check on their site what exactly they did produce this time around). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:48, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:I see. Will watch out for this in the future. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 14:37, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Missing prices ==<br />
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Missing information for audio CD's and audio MP3 CD's published by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?59896 Audible Studios on Brilliance Audio] can be found [https://www.brilliancepublishing.com/ here]. I added the missing prices for all the ones I reviewed yesterday. Looks like there are more in the queue. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:08, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Nice source! Thanks! I'll fix the other submissions once they are approved. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:37, 24 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: All approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:11, 24 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Dreams ==<br />
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Phil, I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5541717 this submission] before I realized it created a duplicate publication. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930380 Here] is the existing publication. I have deleted your publication. Just add your notes and primary verification to the existing publication. Notice [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Anniemod Annie] set it up as a serial installment of the novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 Last Stand]. Let me know if you this isn't clear. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:30, 15 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bitten ==<br />
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Phil, Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33238 Bitten]. What's up with some of these audiobooks? Two sets of audio cassettes on the same day (2001-10-01)? Two sets of audio CDs on the same day (2010-07-27)? Seems odd, did you do any further digging? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:46, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:In the case of the cassettes, one is a regular edition and the other is a Library edition. I'll add that to the notes of the Library edition. As to the audio CDs, they have different ISBNs and there are separate WorldCat entries for them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:25, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:06, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: Pretty standard with US audiobooks due to how licensing works (or something along these line...) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== All the Weyrs of Pern ==<br />
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How much confidence do you have in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?933698 this price]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:56, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Pretty strong given that it's a library edition. It's not outside the value range several other library audio CD editions have. Of course I could be wrong... [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:23, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, I don't know why it jumped out at me. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:00, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Chronicles of Pern: First Fall ==<br />
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I removed Jan 1 from the date for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?933718 The Chronicles of Pern: First Fall] and several other pubs. On pubs which predate Amazon, the date is unreliable. There's no telling where they get them from, Jan 1st is their default month and day. For your clones, I used WorldCat to confirm the year. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:50, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Good to know. I'll check WorldCat for those who predate 1998 in the future. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:28, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Wizard of Karres ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5573314 This submission] appears to create a duplicate. What am I missing? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:35, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:My bad. It looks like I accidently submitted it twice. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 19:05, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::It also looks like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?933872 this record] is a duplicate pub and should be deleted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:59, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I agree, go ahead. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:02, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rides a Dread Legion ==<br />
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I made minor changes to contents of Rides a Dread Legion https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274016 if you have no objection. <br />
Page number for first page of novel<br />
Added entry for map on bep<br />
Note re Acknowledgments on unnumbered roman numeral page.<br />
Thanks. <br />
[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:53, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Sounds fine. Go ahead. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 06:42, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Charles de Lint / Moonheart: A Romance ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of active PVs GlennMcG, Philfreund.<br />
<br>I'm looking at my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22754 Moonheart: A Romance] and the pub record. This doesn't seem to be set up correctly. It should be unmerged, assigned to a title record of "Moonheart: A Romance" and this should be varianted to "Moonheart". Actually, there is a case for making "Moonheart: A Romance" the canonical title as it's the first publication. However, as there is only 1 pub titled "Moonheart: A Romance" and 16 pubs titled "Moonheart", I don't feel strongly about which is the canonical title. Mind you, I would bet that some of the other pubs also have "A Romance" on the title page, particularly the Ace pb reprints. What are your thoughts? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:49, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:You are probably right that this should be the canonical title and the others unmerged into a variant. I've noticed a few other titles that seem to have the same situation. I also agree that the other Ace printings are likely listed incorrectly without "A Romance". It might be interesting to ask the PV of the 1985 second printing to recheck his copy. I just took a quick look at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431784 2013 Smashwords edition] and it has "A Romance" on the title page so the PV there missed it. The audiobook and the CDs definitely do not have "A Romance" associated with them. I'd be fine with you doing the unmerge/variant if you would like to. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:27, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I will ask AliHarlow about the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444733 Ace pb 2nd print]. I also have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22753 UK Pan tp] which I have recently PVd and that does not have "A Romance" on the title page. Like you, I have also come across other titles that have this problem. Based on your and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Charles_de_Lint_.2F_Moonheart:_A_Romance GlennMcG's] replies, I will do the varianting but first I will stick a post on the Moderator Noticeboard to ask which should be the canonical title as it's rather subjective. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Diamond Conspiracy ==<br />
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Phil, please find the ASIN for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5584033 this one]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:43, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Sorry. That one slipped past me. Cancelled and resubmitted with the ASIN [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5585376 here]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:32, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ware Hawk ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?225901 this]. Publisher is "An Argo Book / Margaret K. McElderry / Atheneum.Books" as it states "A Margaret K. McElderry Book" on title page and front flap of dustwrapper and "An Argo Book" on copyright page. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:20, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hmmm. There are only 4 pubs using the publisher "An Argo Book / Margaret K. McElderry / Atheneum.Books". I'm guessing that it should be publisher "An Argo Book / Atheneum" with the Publication Series being "A Margaret K. McElderry Book". What does Chavey say since he is the original PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:26, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::His books are in storage so I did not message him. I checked the details from the copy I recently acquired. My copy has "A Margaret K. McElderry Book" on title page and front flap of dustwrapper as well as on copyright page underneath this is "An Argo Book" (Argo logo on spine) - hence why I wanted to check if your copy had the same informaton. "An Argo Book / Margaret K. McElderry / Atheneum Books" is one of the publishers listed under "Atheneum"- I'll open a discussion on the Moderator page. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:41, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::My copy matches yours but also has the Argo logo block on the title page. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:40, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Publisher check: Keeper of Enchanted Rooms ==<br />
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Do you still have access to your verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914121 Keeper of Enchanted Rooms]? The copy I have shows 47North as the publisher - which is a bit more logical than Brilliance Audio (they did all the audio versions). Any objections to me fixing the publisher? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:44, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please change it to 47North. I entered it wrong. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 06:35, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Done. I’ll be verifying it when I get to that book. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:37, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Peace Talks ==<br />
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I have put [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5591905 your submission] on hold as I notice the record you've added has the same ISBN and same Audible-ASIN as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?891064 this one] (apart from the publisher and price, that is). Do you know what's going here? Shouldn't these be the same publication? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 03:40, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looks like this was a simultaneous release in the US and UK. Since the hardcover was the US release, I think the US was the primary release site so I should change the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?891064 exisiting record] values to the values in the submission for the cover, publisher, and price as well as adding notes for the UK price and publisher. I'll cancel the submission after I submit that edit. Does that seem right? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:02, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::To be honest, I'm at a loss as to what's going on here. I can find references to both versions on Amazon.com, Audible.com (with two different prices...) and Goodreads only. Audible.co.uk has the Hachette Audio UK version. Maybe ask some other moderators who are more familiar with audiobooks for advice? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:58, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Figured it out. See discussion [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Peace_Talks_audiobook_conundrum here]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:23, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::::What a mess ... :-) Thanks for digging into this. Now approved. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 04:46, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Roman Holiday ==<br />
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Hello Phil, <br />
<br />
A little trick with Audible books like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938186 this one]. A list price of $2.17 tells you that this is not priced for the US market but is a conversion (and this exact value is a £1.99 conversion for an Audible). So head to Amazon.co.uk and find the same audiobook (search by title and author - unlike ebooks, it will have a separate ASIN so we need to record both but it will give you a list price). In this case, as Jodi Taylor's books are published first in UK, that also makes sense. I updated this one. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:41, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Got it. I know to do that with regular books/ebooks and should have realized it applied to the audiobooks as well. The list prices for audiobooks are so scattered and seemingly random that it just didn't catch my eye. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:45, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: You get used to them - there are a few publishers that use weird prices in Audible even when they are US editions (for some of them, hitting their publisher page may actually give you a real list price - sometimes I remember to do that, sometimes I just record the Amazon/Audible list price and as we have notes on the sources, they are technically correct). But $2.17 had stayed with me both from ebooks and from audiobooks as it is usually the £1.99 across the pond. So I go check and figured I should stop by and share. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:02, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Anomalous cover for ebooks ==<br />
<br />
Looking at these two titles, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2751327] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2829761]), you'll notice that the publication date of the ebooks you've recently added are identical to the tp edition, yet the cover of said recently added ebooks is completely different (corresponds, in fact, with a recent re-issue). Look at the Goodreads editions for a more accurate edition history. For example, you'll notice that the [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55949187-raven-s-course 2020 Kindle edition] of {{t|2829761|Raven's Course}} has a different cover compared to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597718 your addition]. In fact, there's [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62321459-raven-s-course a second, 2022 Goodreads record] with the blue cover, with a publication date of 2022-01-00. The better course of action if you come across such an 'Amazon anomaly' (Amazon tends to update the cover art with a re-issue, but keeps the first publication date), is to check Goodreads, and go with that. In other words, better to update the cover of your two ebook additions with the Goodreads one. Thanks, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:44, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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Same for {{t|526757|The Last Wish}}; comparing the 2015 audio editions you entered, looks suspiciously like cover was updated with the [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60617128-the-last-wish 2022 re-issue]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:56, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Submissions for all three covers are submitted (plus the Goodreads ID was added). I didn't realize that Goodreads also kept the info for the audio editions. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:21, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Japanese Crisis Title ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5612864; While adding Archive.org links to both editions of Crisis I noticed this Japanese title was missing the mark over the letter so I cut-and-pasted the 1 instance of the correct title on ISFDB from some completely unrelated work. There are other questions like whether cover artist from original should be imported to reprint as a co-artist because most of the art is the same, which page count is correct since the last page, "afterword", has no page number, how date of reprint was derived since no 2004 date is on the copyright page (maybe the last page with "Coming August 2004") and whether a note should be entered saying where date came from, whether all stories are original and should have the month (02) added to them, etc. Maybe someone will look into these things if they want to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks but I can't even look into this until my paperbacks are out of storage which will be at least another 6 months. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:09, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, I know, you and a whole lot of other people who say the same thing on here. Maybe someone who owns a copy or is in some way familiar with these books will read this and be able to help fix stuff or add new stuff. The unnumbered last page is minor because there's thousands on here where they were either added to the page count with no note, added with a note saying they're unnumbered (I've done very many of those), added to page count in brackets, not added at all, etc., just however the individual editor felt like doing it. Date of reprint edition is minor because there's thousands of books where an editor added a date not in the book without saying in any way where they got it from. Months added to stories is minor because there's thousands of stories which never got the book's month added to them. The only thing that I can see being of interest is that cover art, because while different artists are on the copyright page in each edition the reprint cover art uses the same art from the original with some new bits underneath, so the original artist should definitely be a co-artist in the reprint. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:31, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The River's Gift ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609709 this submission]. A novel, really? I suggest doing a little research and fixing the existing title first. Then create the ebook. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:37, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Wow. Did I blow this or what? So do I just change the existing title into a Shortfiction novella, then create a new empty Chapbook with no pub detail, then import the novella into the Chapbook? Any other steps before creating the ebook? I'll also cancel and redo [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609712 this submission] as part of the fix. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:34, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Edit the current book we have, change the pub type to chapbook, the novel title to a short fiction and add a chapbook. That’s all that is needed when there is a single publication with the title. Then you can clone from the result post approval. <br />
:: If there were more publications, you change the novel to a story. Once approved, edit every publication to change its pub type and to add a chapbook. Then you merge the resulting chapbooks (you cannot import a chapbook while the pub type is a novel and you won’t be able to make these chapbooks until the novel is out and cannot save a chapbook pub without a chapbook title - thus the need for a merge in these cases). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:12, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5615539 this]. Hope it is correct. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:12, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Approved. Now you can clone the corrected publication to create the ebook. Don't forget to cancel the original [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609709 submission]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:03, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Original cancelled. New clone submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5615577 here] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:18, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I obtained a copy of the hc to verify the length. My count is approximately 19,600, primarily because there are no illustrations or chapter divisions. Thought you might be interested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:41, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== More Than Honor audio MP3 CD ==<br />
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Looks like Amazon has the wrong date for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5617504 this one]. Brilliance publishing says the date is 5-21-2013 for 978-1-4915-7626-7 MP3-CD. I'm guessing you saw this as you have the correct $9.99 price which is not what Amazon shows. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:37, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Your submission is absolutely correct. I'm not sure what I was looking at. It's approved now. Sorry. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:06, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thieves' World Collection Volume Two ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648430 this submission], you stated you were removing the essays but didn't stay ''why''. You aren't a PV of the ebook, so how do you know the essays aren't in it? Please clarify this. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:34, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I used the Amazon Look Inside feature and the essays aren't there. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, thanks! Please include information like that in your future moderator notes. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:48, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Murder of Crows ==<br />
In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648434 this submission], you stated you were removing the essay but didn't stay ''why''. You aren't a PV of the audiobook, so how do you know the essay isn't in it? Please clarify this. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:39, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:True, but how likely is it that an audiobook includes a Glossary? The Glossary essay only showed up because I cloned. If I had simply done a new pub, I wouldn't have known to include it so there wouldn't be a question. If it's actually there, a PV can add it. If you want to reject this submission, I understand. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 14:10, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I've had audiobooks that included them, so that's why I asked. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: One little trick I use - when you clone like that, set the page numbers of the materials you will be removing to "del" or "remove" or "--" or something like that in the clone -- you cannot remove them on the clone directly but you can set page numbers. That way it will be clear that they are supposed to be out once approved (a moderator may decide to help you and remove them on approval or just let you do the follow up but it reduces the confusion usually). Plus even if you forget to follow up, someone may find them and clear them up. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:32, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman and Doran's Chivalry ==<br />
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Hi, I recently added this year's Locus Award finalists, of which [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3169089 this title was one], which you've PVed, and it it looks like you added other pubs for as well.<br />
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I had [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus an exchange with Ahasuerus yesterday] about how the site renders the award for art titles, and he mentioned that he didn't think this graphic novel was correctly entered. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of that type of title/pub, and I definitely don't want to go messing around with someone else's PV, so I'll have to refer you to his comments. Thanks. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:15, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:On reflection, I think I should have had both Gaiman and Doran as the authors. I've added a note to your discussion with Ahasuerus to make sure I know how to make the change correctly. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:42, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New Frontiers: A Collection of Tales About the Past, the Present, and the Future ==<br />
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Hi Phil, It would have been worth the effort to add pipes to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?468985 this publication], correcting the sort order before cloning it four times. Now you need to edit all five publication records. Also, run the duplicate checker, on any one of the pubs, and merge or disambiguate as necessary. P.S. I know you didn't create the duplicates, just want you do get used to checking those things since I will be supporting your application for self-approver. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:50, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well drat! I'll do that but I'm going to wait a bit to see if my self-approver request goes through. I already have a lot of submissions in the queue so no point in making it longer if I can hold off a bit to get better throughput. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:27, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Realized that waiting was a bad idea. Submitted 5 resequencings and 4 merges. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:17, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Glynn Stewart excerpts ==<br />
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For your to do list. Remember to add descriptions in the post merge title records. This will help us determine if future appearances should be merged or disambiguated. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:59, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yep. I have to compare the instances of each of the titles to see if they are unique. I'm suspecting there's a lot of duplication. I assume I should also move them under the appropriate series as well. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes, add the appropriate series. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:41, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Knighthood of the Dragon ==<br />
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What is the source of the price [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?953365 here]? I see $6.99 in Amazon. If it comes from elsewhere (Kobo USA (great source for ISBNs for ebooks and audiobooks - just make sure it is not a publisher which uses different ISBNs for kindle vs ePub books), the publisher site or something else), we need a note on the source. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:07, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My bad. It looks like I forgot to change the price from the clone source. Fix submitted. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:49, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Free to Good Home ==<br />
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A small trick: when you clone line [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5676896 here] and the book you are cloning from is a singleton (so each story is in only one book), you can do EditPub before the clone, change all dates in the single EditPub (including the cover if needed). Then you do not need to update each title one by one. As a rule, before cloning, check the book(s) we have, clean them up (order, pages, dates and so on, adding a moderator note on why you are changing the date if you are changing dates on titles) and then clone. Otherwise you need to do a lot more work later :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:15, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Nice technique. I'll gladly use it. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:54, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Co-authors ==<br />
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Careful when adding books with more than one author - you missed Don Goodman [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?953384 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?953383 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:33, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll be sure to watch that when I create chapbooks that go with an existing shortfiction title. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:51, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Import vs. Merge ==<br />
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When you are working on chapbooks, it may be better off to add the story and then merge than leave the import for later. It is still a single operation but in the meantime, the chapbook is incomplete. That's different from collections and anthologies who stand on their own but chapbooks exist for their short fiction/poem. You don't really win much by not adding and then merging (if anything, if you are adding multiple chapbooks formats, a single merge will get the stories back together as opposed to import per book). Either way works but not adding the story may end up with forgetting to add it later - and someone will need to clean after that. My policy in such things is to use the way that leaves the DB records as unproblematic as possible in between steps. Then even if I am pulled away in the middle of an edit, it may be wrong but it won't be very wrong. ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:40, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Added bonus: you don't need to faffle with the dates because the merge will take care of that. So in cases where you are adding earlied chapbooks, it is actually more efficient to add the story during the book adding and then merge than to re-date and then import ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:42, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::So far I've been pretty careful to go back but I can see how easy it would be to miss one. I'll do it that way from now on. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:59, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: We all are - but things happen. Plus that way you do not end up with someone undoing the date change if you are late in adding the story. If New/Import is easier for you than New/Merge, that still works -- I was just sharing some personal advice on what seems to behave a bit better for me.:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:04, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Outcast ==<br />
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Two things about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?953425 this one]:<br />
* If you are using a UK price, you need a UK source. Amazon UK is not a mirror of Amazon.com, they can be very very different. So if you use the price from Amazon UK, you add Amazon UK as a source and not Amazon.com (or both if that makes sense like here)<br />
* Always use | numbers to order the titles in a e-book when there are introductions, post-novel essays and excerpts. I know that on NewPub you cannot add a page to the novel itself so this is always a second step so this is more of a heads up :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dafydd ab Hugh books ==<br />
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I added ISBNs to the ebooks you added. Kobo ( https://www.kobo.com/us/en ) is a good source for ISBNs for US books; https://www.kobo.com/gb/en for UK books (I usually refer to them as Kobo USA and Kobo UK respectively in notes). Both of them also carry audiobooks and sometimes can give you ISBNs for ones that Audible uses a B-ASIN for. Outside of a few children's publishers and very few others, publishers use eISBN for all their ebook formats (a thing that does not exist in theory but is there in practice). When Amazon still carried and showed ISBNs for ebooks, the two usually carried the same ISBN on the same book . Kobo can even give you a hint for a list price sometimes when Amazon is being obstinate. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wiz of Tiz ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55128; January 1990, not January 1989, according to Archive.org copy's copyright page. EDIT: The title and cover art title are also wrong, there's no "The", and I may be wrong but that excerpt page number doesn't look right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:38, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll put it on my list of items to check when I can get to my copy of the book. Currently, all my paperbacks are in boxes from my interstate move and won't be unpacked until my new bookshelves are built. The rough ETA for that is the end of July. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:04, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver status ==<br />
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You are now a self-approver. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:02, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Welcome to the dark side. Uhm, I mean... :) Don't hesitate to reach out and ask if you need any help -- and have fun. (Cue checking the same edit 10 times now that you realize the second set of eyes is gone). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:32, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'm sure I will be reaching out... and checking even more. Now to clear my own backlog... :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:36, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - Blood of Amber ==<br />
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Hello Phil, adding Reg3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|4938|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I make those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:45, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for asking but I don't need the notices. Frankly, I only notify people for substantive changes. For External IDs, covers, and spelling corrections, I assume people are watching their "My Verifications > My Recently Changed Primary Verifications" when they show a New status. That's what I do. YMMV :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:59, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of the Witch World 3 ==<br />
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For {{P|34398|Tales of the Witch World 3}}: Would you please check the author credits for page 216 & 231? Per the Internet Archive of the pb, the author is credited as Karen E. Rigley on the story TOC and the Afterword signature. Did the hc truly use Karen Rigley are is this a database typo? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:49, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It is indeed a typo that I missed seeing before I PVed. It is Karen E. Rigley in the ToC, on page 216, and page 231. I fixed the entries in record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:17, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alexandre R. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=alexandre+ri&type=Name; Rio should probably be made a variant of Rito. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:55, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. I'm checking with the author. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:10, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Confirmed and fixed. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:51, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Don't forget to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?364935 Alexandre Rio] an alternative name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?271999 Alexandre Rito]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:06, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. I thought I had done that but apparently missed it. Thanks for catching this. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:11, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Music of the Spheres & Other Classic Science Fiction Stories ==<br />
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Re [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5707644 this edit]: I'll be changing the dates back. These are all variant titles, because Stuart J. Byrne is a variant of S. J. Byrne. Current rules state that variant titles are dated on the first publication of the variant, not the parent title. Please discuss things like this before making changes. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 13:39, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry. I'll communicate better in the future. But in that case they should all be dated to the ebook of the same title published on 2006-02-08, right? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959293 ebook record]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:35, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::You're right, 2006-02-08 it is now you've cloned the book for the e-book edition. I corrected the dates, and added to the notes of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2266563 collection title]. I could not find any proof a 1997 edition was ever published, so the copyright date belongs in the notefield. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:46, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Publisher is one word in all other books, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pageturner&type=Publisher, including 2006 edition of Music of the Spheres. Amazon Look Inside seems to have all 3 words together, PageTurnerEditions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:19, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::My copy of the 2006 ebook has "PageTurner Editions" and so does the Amazon Look-Inside for it. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:25, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Yes, it's a mess, hard to tell if what's on ISFDB actually matches what's in the books since so many different editors over the years entered these, some say Editions, some don't, one spells PageTurner with a small "t" and a comma and has a couple of dozen books in its record, so who knows. I just happened to notice that the 2013 Spheres is the only one on ISFDB that separates PageTurner which doesn't match what's shown in Look Inside, but what is shown doesn't match any of the publishers on ISFDB. I guess it's down to how various editors interpreted whether the way the publisher is printed implied there were spaces between the words or not. Sometimes it's hard to tell with the fonts they use. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Free Amazons of Darkover ==<br />
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Hi. Your verified pub https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?904062 and this verified pub https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?586689 appear to be the same, and it was suggested that since you are active and the other verifier no longer is, that if you moved your verification to the other one (586689) and deleted 904062 that could preserve the other verification as well. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:10, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. It was indeed a duplicate save for the pub series/number and catalog ID fields which I added. I also moved the number line into a separate note for clarity. Nice catch! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:40, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?300; I just added HC Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and noticed cover art has no month. I doubt audio book came out first, just the usual Amazon "first day of the month" thing when they don't really know the date, so do you think art should be September like the HC? EDIT: I also added link to PB of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?301, and it does have month entered for art but uses audio date instead of HC date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:11, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Both Amazon.com and Goodreads show this audiocassette pub date as 2015-08-01. WorldCat, as usual, only shows the year (2015). I've fixed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?933725 this record] to add the missing ISBN and remove the irrelevant ASIN but as I have seen a number of cases where the audio version appears to have been published before the physical or ebook editions, I'm hesitant to do more than change the cover art date to anything but 2015-08-00. That said, I do find it odd whenever available data shows an audio version published before a hb or ebook edition. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alcheringia ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44017; LCCN not on Library of Congress website, should be removed and put in Notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My copy is still in its moving box and unavailable to check how the LCCN was stated. Hopefully GlennMcG can do this. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:27, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Choice: Comets & Computers ==<br />
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Hi Phil<br />
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I'm going to add the Reginald3 number to your verified {{P|3202|Asimov's Choice: Comets & Computers}}. I'm also going to remove the series name, "Asimov's Choice", from the title. This has been done for the other publications in the series. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:28, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Not a problem. Go ahead. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:32, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 1634: The Bavarian Crisis ==<br />
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The Pages field for your verified publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 1634: The Bavarian Crisis] currently shows '[x]+690+[3]'. I initially approved a submission removing the brackets from the Roman numeral (subsequently reversed). Per the help, we enter the Roman numeral for the highest numbered page. Hence, brackets can never be correct. However, I own a copy of the first edition, there are no Roman numerals in my copy. In my opinion, the correct entry for Pages is '690+[3]'. Do you agree? If not, why? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:54, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I was a relatively new editor at that point so I suspect I just went along with assuming that the prior PVs had done it right. That said, looking at my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 1634: The Bavarian Crisis] with more experienced eyes, there are 10 unnumbered pages prior to page 1. There are maps on unnumbered pages 8, 9, and 10. The only place that Roman numerals are indicated are in the ToC but there is a note for that. Therefore, I think the correct page count is [10]+690+[3] and the page number for the maps title needs to be changed to [8].<br />
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:It's the same situation for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327545 1635: The Eastern Front]. The page count should be [9]+369, the page number for the maps title needs to be changed to [9], and a note needs to be added about the Roman numeral in the ToC.<br />
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:I'm willing to do those changes if there's no disagreement from Nihonjoe. Please let me know. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:10, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: We agree. I should have updated this thread after reviewing all the hc first printings. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:26, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Do you want me to do those changes for those two publications? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:30, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I think we should wait for [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] to chime in. If he agrees, go ahead and change them. I'll add my PV to the updated records. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:37, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Since [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] disagrees, you need to join [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#1634:_The_Bavarian_Crisis this conversation]. thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:44, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Added my comments to the conversation on Nihonjoe's page. I've also fixed the records for numbers 3, 5, and 9 after looking at your analysis and verifying your corrections for them. The rest in dispute will have to wait on getting Nihonjoe to agree. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:17, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Heroes of Zara Keep ==<br />
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Hello Phil, I noticed intrusive spaces in the Pages field for {{P|253817|this pub}}... if you'd do the honours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:05, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:35, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Charmed Destinies ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291584; I just added an archived link; should page count be 313? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:37, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. The last printed page number is 313 and there is nothing of interest after that page. Once your edit is approved, I'll fix that, the page number note, and the content page numbers. I'll also leave a note on Chavey's Talk page. Please do me a favor and respond here when the approval is accepted so I don't lose track. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:49, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mira Grant / Feed ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing the first US printing of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?313042 Feed] and propose to add the interview and excerpt at the end of the book. I've seen your note: "Unable to check paperback books" so will proceed. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:39, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic in Ithkar 3 and 4==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21099; I have a PENDING edit adding archived link to the PB (and fixing the month to September) and artist is Steven, not Stephen. Does your TP PV really say Stephen? A fix or unmerge/variant will be needed. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5785568; This one was also different so I fixed it since that was possible in this case; check your copy if you can just in case. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Good catches. Magic in Ithkar 3 is spelled Steven in my copy so I changed it and created the canonical variant. For Magic in Ithkar 4, Steve is the correct spelling. I'll variant it when your submission goes through. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:37, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Please come participate... ==<br />
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...in [[Rules and standards discussions#Numbering of pages numbered in the ToC but not numbered themselves|this discussion]] on page numbering questions. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:08, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Darkover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5819579; Artist should be David Cherry. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:04, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Phil<br />
:While this change is not required, I've no objection to changing the credit. The remaining verifier, has a note on his talk page allowing for changes of this sort. If you agree, you can either proceed to make the change or let me know if you want me to do it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:06, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Changed and made a variant of the canonical author's name. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:31, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sieze the Night (excerpt) ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking the title of the excerpt in {{P|63257|Night Play}}? Is "Sieze" instead of "Seize" a database typo or original to the pub? Would you please, as appropriate, either correct or add a note stating the typo as per the pub? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:33, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:It was a misspelling. Fixed. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:47, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyteen submission ==<br />
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Phil, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5835620 this submission] is incorrect. Your original explanation to [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] was correct. Please review [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Did_I_explain_this_correctly_or_am_I_wrong.3F this discussion]. JLaTondre referenced the appropriate help section and Annie admits she was wrong. I'm posting this because you are a self-approver. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:21, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Boy, when I misread, I do it well! I'll correct the pub. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:25, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sherwood Game ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47066; No M. on title page. EDIT: Cover is bad with name on top hard to see; new one should be uploaded. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Phil<br />
:I've double checked my copy and I'm going to proceed with changing the author credit. Let me know if you have any concerns about that change. There is a bit of scratching on the cover of my copy and I'm not really able to get a better scan of the cover. I've no objections if you can get a better scan and wish to replace the existing one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:18, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::I uploaded new scan. It's better than what was there but there's still room for improvement. Those foil covers are nearly impossible to get right. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:43, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sea Gold ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864949; Since the last book in the series listed at the front of the archived copy is 1962's Flaming Mountain and you said yours was bought new in the 1960's I added the link to your record; it's certainly not a first printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:01, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bone Doll's Twin - verify cover art on your edition ==<br />
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Hi there, before I do any cover image update on the pub, I'm double checking with the other active verifiers of Bone Doll's Twin 1st edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36253 mass market paperback] - would you be able to double check that your edition has the gold-backed title like this amazon image? [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71e9CvGwKTL.jpg]. My library copy does, which is why I'm looking to correct the one the pub is showing. To my knowledge the black-backed title on the cover is from later printings. Thanks! [[User:Kapotun|Kapotun]] ([[User talk:Kapotun|talk]]) 19:06, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Mine has the gold-foil title background with the author's name in white lettering. Nice catch. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:03, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for confirming! [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] confirmed as well and uploaded a new image. [[User:Kapotun|Kapotun]] ([[User talk:Kapotun|talk]]) 10:04, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Main Event ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Riddle_of_the_Exodus this discussion]. Does {{P|3753|Main Event}} have any information about the the author? If so, does anything indicate it is the same person as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Long this]? I question whether the current biographical information is the right person. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:34, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There is absolutely no author biographical information anywhere in the book or on the inside or outside covers. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:36, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / With a Finger in My I ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55056 With a Finger in My I] and propose to: 1) change the coverart record to the name as stated in book and make "Mati Klarwen" an alternate name of "Mati Klarwein". 2) Change story title "The Crystal Castle" to "This Crystal Castle". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 10:06, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Looks good. Would you also add a note referencing that the ToC shows the title as "The Crystal Castle". Thanks [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:05, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Oh! That's interesting. My copy states "This Crystal Castle" on both the ToC and page 153. I've checked again after reading your comment and the title has not changed overnight. :-) Would you mind double-checking your copy? It might also be worth checking whether yours is a US or Canadian printing (although they shouldn't be different). Mine is a US printing. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:50, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::My bad. Not sure how I misread it this morning but both the ToC and Page 153 show the title as "This Crystal Castle". Sorry for the confusion. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:51, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / A Season for Slaughter ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1097 A Season for Slaughter] and will add in the interview on page 557. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:15, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's in my copy on the same page so feel free to go ahead. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:03, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / The Middle of Nowhere ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44118 The Middle of Nowhere] and will change Pages to 309+[17] and include <br />
"Starhunt (excerpt)" on page [313]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:29, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I concur. It looks like the excerpt starts on page [313]. OK by me. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:40, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon ==<br />
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I am working on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?460 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon]. I have made a fairly accurate estimate of the word count and reckon it's close to 31,000 so it's comfortably a novella, not a novel. Incidentally, there is a pub note in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 first edition] in which an editor surmises that it might be a novella. Hence I propose to change it to Chapbook / Novella. I would also like to mark it as Juvenile. Locus1 describes it as "young-adult" and I seem to remember when I read it (many years ago, admittedly!) that it was a juvenile. Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:35, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:OK by me. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:50, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ''Cyber Way'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted a couple of submissions adjusting the page count and importing a trailing Author's Note in your verified {{P|8489|Cyber Way}}. Please review and adjust if necessary. I am leaving this same note for the other active PVer as well. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:58, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:36, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Novel Ideas—Science Fiction ==<br />
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We go by the title page of books, not the cover or copyright page. So even if books in a series look differently because of that, we do not normalize the title to match. <br />
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As it sounds like you may have the book, can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4678775 this one] and check what is on the title page? If the two authors are there, I can approve (and we need to update the book as well); if it is not - then you can add notes but we will need to leave the book as is. <br />
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Thanks for the update and welcome again! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:39, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Both books have just Thomsen on the title page. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
:: Then I will need to reject the edit. Do you have a handy link to the other book so I can look at it and fix it? Also - if you have the book, had you thought of verifying it? <br />
:: One small operational thing - the plus sign opens a new topic in the Discussion page, if you are responding to an existing one, there is a small "edit" next to the title of the item you are responding to:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Here's the link: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82007<br />
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Not sure what your verification operation consists of. I'll have to do some more reading on how the site works. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
: When you do a primary verification, you are saying "I have the book. All the details listed on this record are as in my book (or I noted the differences in the notes". If you have the book from a library for example, you can do Transient Primary (aka - I checked a real book and the details match - but I do not have the book anymore". When you do a PV (Primary Verification - Transient or Permanent), you will get notified on changes in the record (there is a Changed Primary menu on your page; for big changes people will post here) and if someone wants to change something and you are around, you may be asked if you can check the book again to verify something someone else claims. More details [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Verify here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_verify_data#Primary_Verification here]. <br />
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: About the book - the look inside into the [https://www.amazon.com/Novel-Ideas-Fantasy-Brian-M-Thomsen-ebook/dp/B002VFPRV4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=#reader_B002VFPRV4 Kindle book] shows both names on the title page. So looks like we have a difference between the paperback and the ebook? Won't be the first... We can easily change that - would you like to try? I think I may have this book somewhere as well so will see if I can find it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:04, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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It's not clear to me what you're suggesting I try. (Although I'm willing to give it a whirl). {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
: To submit an update of the authors for the book (as based on what you see on the title page of yours, our record is a bit faulty). Or I can submit it if you prefer? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:08, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Legends ==<br />
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What is on the title page [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4678651 on this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Legends - Edited by Margaret Weis with Janet Pack and Robin Crew<br />
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:Earth, Air, Fire, Water - Edited by Margaret Weis with Robyn McGrew and Janet Pack<br />
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:Seems likely to be a typo, but I understand you need rules to prioritize conflicting information.<br />
:In support of it probably being a typo, the acknowledgment page credits Weise, Pack, and Robin McGrew as the copyright owners of the prologue. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
:: If the title page says Robin Crew, our record remains like that. But as it is indeed obviously a typo (based on how OCLC had added both books for example and the copyright notes), we variant to the correct author and add a note on the discrepancy. I've done the needed variants and added notes. Thanks for finding this one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:00, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Terribly Twisted Tales ==<br />
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To add the contents to {{P|282222|Terribly Twisted Tales}}, there are two options:<br />
# You can go to the publication page and click "Edit This Pub" in the left menu. In the edit screen, scroll down to the "Regular Titles" section and click the "Add Title" button. This will add a row where you can add the page number, title, author, etc. Repeat for each story. If there are reviews or interviews, enter under their respective sections. When done submit.<br />
# If the stories are already in the database, they can be imported. This is the preferred method (as the above would create duplicates that would then need to be merged), but is more complex. To do this, also go to the publication page, but click "Import Content" in the left menu. In a separate window, find the title record for a story to import. Copy the URL and past into the "Title 1" box under the "Option 2" portion of the import screen. For additional titles, click the plus sign and repeat in Title 2, etc. When done, click the "Import Titles", add the page numbers on the following screen, and submit.<br />
Hope that helps. Let us us know if you have more questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:17, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I guess I should have waited longer, but as I couldn't seem to add a question to the 'help' page, I tried re-adding the book as new entry with interior title info.<br />
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:Think I'll wait for more instructions before digging the hole even deeper.<br />
:See http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4682913 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GlennMcG|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::No problem. Sometimes we get a little backed up. You can always post at [[ISFDB:Help desk]] which usually gets a faster response. To avoid you having to redo work, I have accepted the new version and deleted the old one. When we have generic titles like Introduction or Foreword, we add the publication title in parenthesis after the title. This is to avoid an author's page being filled with a series of "Introduction" and no easy way to tell them apart. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I had tried to ask the question on the help page, but got a write permission error.<br />
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Also, this move lost the cover art linkage from the old record.<br />
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== Please sign your name ==<br />
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Please sign your name on talk pages and discussion boards using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will insert your name and the date. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:41, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:There is also a button in the toolbar above the edit window (the second to last that looks like a signature) which will insert the syntax so you don't have to type it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:44, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:00, 19 June 2020 (EDT) Ok<br />
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Although it does seem odd that the site software doesn't sign things auto-magically, as you need to be signed in to play the game. [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:03, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Edge of Running Water ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|780259|The Edge of Running Water}}, but made a couple of changes:<br />
*Standardized the publisher to Editions for the Armed Services<br />
*Removed Armed Services Editions from the pub series. It is redundant with the publisher and not really a pub series since every book published by this publisher was marked as that.<br />
*Changed the page count to 352. When there is a single unnumbered page after the numbered page, we just include it in the numbered pages. If there were multiple unnumbered pages (say 5, for example), then it would be entered as 352+5.<br />
*Changed the price to $0.00 and moved the text to the pub notes. Prices should be currency symbol and number only. Any explanations go in the notes.<br />
*I added the date based on the catalog id as sourced to Wikipedia.<br />
Thanks for adding this. Regarding your note on adding the cover image: Now that the pub is entered, there is a "Upload cover scan" link below he pub notes. You would use that to upload the scan and then edit the publication to add the resultant link to the scan. There is a link to the help page in the welcome message above. If you have any questions, please let us know. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:57, 26 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Grantville Gazette VII ==<br />
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I accepted the changes to {{P|572601|Grantville Gazette VII}}, but kept the original "By Hook or by Crook". It was easier to edit the title of the existing record to make the capitalization change. Actually, it would have been easier to edit all three titles instead, but as they appear in other verified pubs, we will have to run that by those verifiers. So I accepted for this pub and will have the other verifiers check their pubs. Once confirmed, I will merge or variant as necessary. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:53, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Did you see the response I made in my talk pages? I believe the usual practice is to respond to the question where it is asked. Thanks for spotting the problems. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 08:58, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::The cover of the paperback version is slightly different that the covers of the HC and TP versions of this book. I had scanned my cover and added it to the ISFDB, but it disappeared when the incorrect book was deleted. If you copy has a clean cover, can you scan it and replace the cover of the PB version? [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 10:02, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Just noticed the "Best Selling" medallion is in a different location. I'll upload a scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:29, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! Much better than my old cover. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 12:26, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The E.S.P. Worm ==<br />
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When changing data in a publication with active primary verifiers, please check with another verifier first. Beyond a courtesy, we have found that this occasionally reveals the existence of a different version (99% of the time it's a database error, but sometimes it's not). I checked with Rtrace and he confirmed your change so I accepted it. I have also unmerged it from the other versions using Robert E. Margroff and created a variant title. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:41, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Castle Fantastic ==<br />
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For {{P|6269|Castle Fantastic}}, I have had to reject your edit. Instead of creating a new title, simply edit publication and change the existing title. This avoids having to remove and delete the old one. When a title is only in a single publication, it can be edited from that publication (it will not be grayed out). Please resubmit with just correcting the existing record. After that is approved, it will show up under {{A|Linda Dunn}} and need to be varianted to {{A|Linda J. Dunn}} (as described with Carolyn Gilman's title on my talk page). From you moderator note, it sounds like you have this pub. Please consider primary verifying it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:56, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest for the Spear ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|68403|Quest for the Spear}}.<br />
*Title: I debated about this. These days, if a publication title is of the format of "Series Name: Book Name" (or vice versa), we only record the book name and leave the series for the series field. However, this was a one off. There were other films, though. I went with it as a series name. If you feel different, let me know and I will reverse it. <br />
*Prologue: Does this stand on its own? Like it would be reprinted elsewhere? If not, we would include it as part of the novel and not list it separately.<br />
*Introduction: Yes, we would normally include essay introductions. If it was a fictional introduction, then it would fall into the same category as the prologue, but an essay gets indexed. As for page number, the preferred method would be to count the unnumbered pages and enter the "page number" in brackets [] to indicate unnumbered. The other choice is to use "bp" to indicate unnumbered pages that precede pagination (this is what I typically do). <br />
Let me know what you think about the title and whether we should remove the prologue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:57, 6 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:It's fine as a series. I'll remove the prologue, as it's not standalone. (Just late 4th century A.D. setup for modern times). 'bp' seems easier, but what would I use for the first of five pages before page one? [i]? [-4]? [-5]? [1]? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:01, 6 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I would probably go with [i] as that implies front pages, but you could also go with [1]. The key is to explain the situation in the notes (ex. "Introduction starts on the first of five unnumbered pages before the novel" or something similar). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:45, 7 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I tweaked it per your suggestions, but was wondering if there was a way to have the introduction show up before the main novel in the title list.<br />
--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:31, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Use pipe in the page number. [1]|5 will sort as 5 for example. If the page number contains | (pipe), the number after it is used for sorting while the one before it is shown. If there is no pipe, the number is used for both - think of 3 being a short way to write 3|3 for example. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Steal the Galaxy! ==<br />
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A few small things:<br />
* You do not need <nowiki><br></nowiki> on every line -- we used to but the software changed 10 years or so ago. We just never cleaned up all the old ones (and some editors keep adding them). The first one (on the first line) is the only one that makes sense and any difference (as it will put you under the line that starts with Notes on the pub page)<br />
* The issue of Locus where the book was listed is interesting information and I hate losing it when editors edit. So I restored it here. <br />
See the changes [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638864 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:24, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Enemies of Fortune ==<br />
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Putting "Delete" as the page number will not automatically delete a title - we use that when there are multiple changes in the book so we do not lose track (and if the handling moderator decides to, they can do the Remove) but a change that only changes this is unneeded. What you need to do is to submit a "Remove Titles From This Pub" request instead -- go to the left menu and locate the link for that. For this book, it will open [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/rmtitles.cgi?256791 this]. Select the title you want to remove and submit the removal. <br />
I rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4694544 this]. I can do the Remove or you can try (so you know how to do it next time) :) Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:28, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I can do that, but when I changed the title the first time following instructions that worked previously it failed this way. (Add replacement title, marking the original to substitute). Am I in this boat because that edit failed to work, and this is the appropriate fixup? Or should I have done it differently in the first place? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No, it worked exactly as it was supposed to. You just did not have an invisible helper this time. :) If you want a title out from a publication, someone needs to send a Remove submission - you or the moderator who approved that first edit. When you mark the title as you did initially (with *** or deleted in the page number), you have a 50/50 chance of a moderator simply making the Remove for you silently post approval. <br />
:: Last time it appeared to work because the approving moderator made the Remove Titles submissions after they approved your edit and probably never came to tell you that there is one more step to be done in such cases (which they had done). With new editors, we all try to shield them a bit from the more complicated and annoying parts of the DB so we will do a lot of additional submissions and fixes post approval. I usually would still stop by and explain what I had to do in addition to the already done but... Some moderators will, some won't - depends on how busy one is and sometimes depends on how concentrated one is. Hope that makes sense. <br />
:: PS: Do not submit Remove in parallel to Pub Edit -- if the Remove is approved first, the Pub Edit will fail. As it is a 2 step process, I tend to assist and make the Remove when I approve such edits - you did the work of marking it, I can as well make the other submission when I do not get distracted. But different moderators work differently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:12, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: So, basically double check all my approved edits, and finish up what doesn't happen auto-magically by editor. :) --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:16, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep. Plus this also allows you to spot other things you missed the first time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forge of Virtue ==<br />
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Another little tip: When a submission is approved, the "old" data is lost. So when adding notes in the cases when there is a PV already such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4695002 here] instead of stating the obvious "Notes update pre-PVing" which is as good as not adding a note at all, list the changes you are making ("copyright, number line, first printing added" for example). This way someone looking at the history can see what data was verified when. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:34, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. I thought I read somewhere that the note to the moderator wasn't retained, and therefore wouldn't show up in history. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:39, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is not retained as part of the title/publication record itself but if you go to the submission itself (via History (this feature is very new), "My Changed Primary" (a few years old - and which is how now we do not require you to post on every PV page every time you touch a PV-ed publication - which used to be the rule before) or via the Recent Edits), it is there on the submission. :) So you should not put important information there but stuff like "what changed" belongs there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:52, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Patricia Mathews ==<br />
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You started off correctly editing the parent entries and then veered into editing the variant entries (which is incorrect). I accepted the couple correct ones, but will be rejecting all of the incorrect ones. I will explain the difference in a minute, but want to post this message now as you are continuing to make edits that will need to be rejected. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:14, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I know where I went off the rails. I'll start up again when you give the word. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:17, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I typed the following before seeing your response so am going to go ahead and post it just in case: Titles should be credited as per the publication. If the publication uses a non-canonical name for an author, we variant the title to the canonical name. The variant will have the credit used in the publication and the parent will have the canonical author name. To fix these stories, the '''''parent''''' needs to be edited so that the variant keeps the form used in the publication and the parent shows up under the canonical author's page. Most of your submission have been changing the '''''variant''''' which means you are changing the form used in the publication and still leaving it under the {{A|Patricia Matthews}} author's page. I will leave the edits on hold for now. If you click on "My Pending Edits", you will see what you were changing. From there you can go to the parent record and edit it instead. That may make it easier so you don't have re-research each one. When you are done, you can either cancel your held edits or I will reject them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:29, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'm cancelling now, and will edit the parents. It turns out I can't find any entries that make sense for 'Patricia Matthews'. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:31, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I've edited a parent. When approved, I'll follow suit for the others. Sorry about the extra work for you. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:36, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. It's part of the learning process of how things work here, so no problems. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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"There Is Always an Alternative" is an interesting case as there is publication under the parent title as well. The data for publication that comes from secondary sources. I will check into it and see if that credit is correct or not. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:01, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It should have been one "t" as well. Fixed. Thanks for finding these. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:18, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Song ==<br />
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I approved your edit to {{P|355301|Blood Song}}. However, you left the prior "Data from Amazon (date) and Locus Magazine #608 as of 2012-09-08" statement, but you primary verified it. When a publication is primary verified, the expectation is that the data is from the publication iteself. If any information in a primary verified publication comes from secondary sources, than it should explicitly state which information (ex. "Cover artist not credited. Cover artist from artist's website."). The statement should either be removed or edited. If the date is Amazon than it should say "Date from Amazon as of ...", but the way it is written says the date is from Amazon and the rest of the information from Locus. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:45, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Same with {{P|462375|To Dance with the Devil}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hmmm. I read "Data from Amazon (date) and Locus Magazine #608 as of 2012-09-08." as the entry was created with data from both Amazon(the date), and the rest from Locus, on 2012-09-08. The date in the entry (from Amazon) is more specific than the year/month on the copyright page. Perhaps something like:<br />
::* Exact publication date from Amazon<br />
::* Listed in Locus #608<br />
::* my stuff<br />
::<small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GlennMcG|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:::Looks good. Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:46, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Castaways in Time ==<br />
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You managed to double verify {{P|6252|Castaways in Time}}. Not a big deal, but you may want to remove one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:26, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: How would one do that? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:51, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Lol. That's a good question. You could probably unverify (which would hopefully remove both) and reverify. But now that I think about it, it shouldn't be possible to get in that state the way the GUI works these days. I will point Ahasuerus to this discussion in case there is a bug he would want to look into. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:35, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, I don't see a way to modify/remove verifications in any way. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:43, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::To remove or change a verification, click on "Verify This Pub" this pub again. If you have already verified it, the options will now be "No verification" and "Transient verification" (assuming you permanently verified it). This allows undoing a mistaken verification or changing the status of a verification (in case you are downsizing your collection or have bought a book you previously transient verified). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:09, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Nightshifted ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4696564 this edit]. It looks like you cloned the second printing to create the first? We already have the {{P|380940|first printing}}. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:50, 13 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Yep, must have missed it somehow. I'll cancel the edit, and PV the 1st printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:02, 13 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Remains ==<br />
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For {{P|37945|The Dark Remains}} & other recent additions, you added a note of "Maps by Karen Wallace". Is there a reason you just didn't add the maps as interior art? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Because I didn't know that was appropriate. What would you like me to do? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:06, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:We generally include them so I'd add them. They are entered as interior art. For title, 1) if the map has title "Given Title (map)"; 2) if the map is not titled, "Book Title (map)"; and if the same map is used in multiple books of the series and is not titled, you could use "Series Title (map)". If there are multiple maps, than use "maps" instead of "map" in the parenthesis. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:02, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Replacing cover images ==<br />
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When replacing cover images that are already on the wiki, please don't upload at a new location. Instead, upload over the existing image. To do that, go to the image page (example [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992.jpg]]) and use the "Upload a new version of this file" at the bottom of the page. It will warn you that are overwriting an existing image, but just go ahead. If someone else uploaded the prior image, edit the image page after uploading and change the name in the source field to your user name. You will not need to re-edit the publication entry as it will already be linked. However, due to a bug with our wiki software, your browser may not show the new image unless you force a cache refresh (typically a shift F5). This avoids unused & duplicate images on the wiki. <br />
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For {{P|THRGHTHCTK1992|Through the Ice}}, I moved the image you uploaded at [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992-2.jpg]] over to [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992.jpg]] and deleted the former. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:07, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I was concerned that if I used the same name it would overwrite the old image, and make it impossible to refuse the edit. So this is a function that is not moderated? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:11, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Correct. Image uploading is not moderated. But we do pay attention to it so if something goes wrong, it can be fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:52, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ancient One ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4703666 this submission]: Is this 6th printing actually listed in Locus with the specified printing date? Or when cloning {{P|262496|this record}} did the date and note not get removed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:16, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I missed removing the Locus reference in the cloning process. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:02, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Approved & removed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:03, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kisssing Sin (excerpt) ==<br />
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In {{P|96661|Tempting Evil}}, should be the second excerpt be "Kissing Sin" (two s's) instead of the current three s's? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:26, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Although 3 times is a charm, 2 is the right call here. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:13, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Changed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:02, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Survival ==<br />
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For {{P|687731|Survival}}, I accepted the edit, but changed the date to match the publication statement. Per the current rules ([[:Template:PublicationFields:Year]], last bullet), we use the date listed in the publication as the official date. If a secondary source provides a more precise date, it is acceptable to refine the precision (ex. add a day to a year & month only). If a secondary source contradicts the publication, we still use the publication's date and the secondary source information can go into the pub notes. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Got it. I think I was intuiting a more numeric approach to approximations, but understand the rationale. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:56, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iorich ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4714399 your update submission] on hold, as I suspect that you inadvertently updated the wrong record. There's a mass market record already available [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?651379 here], PV'd by Taweiss. You may want to cancel your submission, remove your PV from the 2010 record, and PV the latter instead. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:41, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. In some ways, I wonder whether the 2010 pb existed at all. I actively collect Brust and would have picked up then, rather than waiting until 2018 to grab it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:04, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Looking at the date of the addition to the site and the date of the book (it is added 2 and a half months before the pub date), it won't surprise me if it was announced but never made it out indeed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:10, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding an interview to the contents ==<br />
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Hello. You added in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4714801 this submission] an interview as an essay, with both the interviewee (Robert Buettner) as well as the interviewer (uncredited) as authors. Better is to have this entered as an actual INTERVIEW record - unless of course Robert Buettner happens to be the actual ''author'' of the interview? Let me know if you would want to change the title from ESSAY to INTERVIEW yourself, or if you prefer I do that for you. I've put the submission on hold for the moment. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:55, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I'll submit another edit and cancel the first. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:31, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Gotcha when changing pub titles ==<br />
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Hi. If you decide to change a publication's title, a subtle gotcha is that usually the associated COVERART record was created using the same title used when the pub was created. It does not automatically get changed after that, so a second edit is required to fix it up as well. I did this for {{T|2755158|The Witch War Cycle}}. Just something to keep in mind for the future. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:19, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:There's no image on the book that you linked now. But I can't remember if it had one before. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:50, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No image does not mean no Cover Art record - which is what Marty is talking about. :) When a new book is added, the title and the publication title are the same and so is the cover art title of a cover artist is added. Once created, they become 3 separate records - and they all usually need adjustment when you are changing one of them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:07, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I tried with another rename and it's closer, but still an issue. I changed title and cover art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4720071], but when I link back through the cover it points at a parent with a title that doesn't exist. How do I unvariant the cover art? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2755637] goes to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2755639, which shouldn't exist. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:31, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The parent needs to exist as the pub artist credit is "Ken W. Kelly", but our canonical name for that artist is "Ken Kelly". Instead of unvarianting, you need to edit the parent. Go to that last link, click the edit button in the top right, and change the name to match the pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:55, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Got it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:08, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Carson of Venus'' omnibus price ==<br />
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Hi. In your submission for ''Carson of Venus: Volume 1'', you give a price of $0.00, but then the notes say it is POD and prices vary, which is different from a $0.00 price. Which is correct? I think if the price is varying, we'd leave the price field blank. We do have free publications where the price is literally zero. No need to do anything: I will adjust on acceptance according to whatever you say. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:01, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, missed this one. Blank is fine for price. I thought I had seen bibliographic warnings for missing price and thought $0.00 would suppress them. The old null vs empty-string conundrum. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:47, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::It will, unfortunately, show a warning, but we don't have a special non-price price value. Maybe someday. :-) Anyway, it's accepted and updated. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:52, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If it is a US only book (aka all prices are in $), I would put $ instead of a blank field. It deals with the warning (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2714526 for an example] and it does show the country the book belongs to (which for languages with multiple countries is a good and useful data point) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:12, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::I've seen US and UK prices for books in different volumes of this POD series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:23, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then we are stuck with empty for this one. But keep that in mind for other cases :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:28, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Would '$£' be legal? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:34, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: I think it will get flagged and fixed after that. Just leave it empty for now. :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:27, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''At the Earth's Core'', et al, omnibus ==<br />
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Hi. For this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4719397 submission], I have two questions:<br />
# The ISBN of 0486201510 is flagged as invalid. Would you double-check?<br />
# Our standard for naming omnibuses (omnibi?) when they are not specifically titled is to use the titles of the collected works, separated by slashes and spaces. See the second sub-bullet in [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Title]]. So if the omnibus you have just lists the three titles, we would use ''At the Earth's Core / Pellucidar / Tanar of Pellucidar'' instead of ''At the Earth's Core: Pellucidar: Tanar of Pellucidar''.<br />
Let me know, and I will adjust. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:28, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I've created another 'newPub' and will cancel the old. (I didn't notice your offer to replace in time, and I have more info this go round, anyways). The ISBN is funny, as it's written with transposed digits on the rear cover, which I copied, but correct on spine and copyright page. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:39, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Always good to mention that ISBN funny thinghy in the notes, too :) Cheers! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:12, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:51, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yeah. If it appears in multiple places and any one of them is correct, we take that one as "the" ISBN and note where we got it and the discrepancy with the others. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:41, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::And correct just means passes checksum algorithm. No convenient way to determine if it's the 'right' ISBN. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:25, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Claimed by Shadow ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check again the OCLC number [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?786841 here]? I do not see anything in OCLC indicating that this is a record for the second printing. OCLC adds some later printings and the OCLC numbers we add should be for the correct printing, not generic records. In the very least a note explaining that the OCLC record is for an unclear printing needs to be added. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:31, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Just remove it, or I can. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:42, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you had not yet, I will. Sorry - went to bed last night so did not see this :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:19, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: I moved it. If you decide to remove it completely, go away and remove the line I added - especially with a PV, it can go away (if there is no PV, I would leave it this way as OCLC has page numbers and stuff like that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:24, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I think the root problem is that I don't know when it's appropriate to check 'reuse external IDs' when cloning a publication for a different printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:20, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Personally, I almost always uncheck this one -- if I need to re-add some from the original, I do it while editing the clone. My exception is for non-English books usually - for example FantLab keeps single record for all reprints of an edition -- so this record goes on all of our records. OCLC for Russian books also does not care much about printings. <br />
::: When it comes down to US books, OCLC tends to keep separate records for printings (not all of printings have it), DNB does the same for German for example (so having the same DNB record for two printings is almost unheard of). LCCN has the first printing(and sometimes later when it is very different but still called printing because... publishers... ) so my rule is to usually just add on the first printing and just note it on the rest but other people do it differently for LCCN (as unlike OCLC, printings and other formats usually will not be issued a new LCCN). Goodreads is rarely per printing unless the cover changes - then they will have both records - but they usually have a date on the record which ties to a printing in most cases. It is a thin line sometimes -- and you will see more than one practice being used. <br />
::: Hope this makes some sense. Just trust your instincts - if you are looking for information about this specific printing/edition, does this external ID actually describe it and with library sources (OCLC, BL, BNF, DNB, PORBASE and so on), if a book is pulled based on this record, will it be the one you are holding? This is why we allow the templating inside of the notes (what I did when I edited) - so you can note additional records that are related but not exactly matching (but that can add information if the actual version does not have a record) - you won't add these if there an exact one unless it has a lot of relevant information but they are useful in cases such as OCLC having a single record for a series or just records for other printings and so on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:42, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthborn ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4721227 your submission] on hold for a moment, as it would be best to ask Holmesd if he's OK to remove the publication date of this 4th printing. He may recall why he has left a publication date of 1996-05-00 for this one. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:40, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I asked, and (s)he's ok with it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:59, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:01, 17 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Grimes at the Great Race ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4727163 this edit], the proposed new parent is an exact match of the existing record. What are you trying to achieve? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:20, 15 August 2020 (EDT)'<br />
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:It was supposed to point at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43424]. ('at' a variant of 'and').--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:03, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::To do that you need to use the Option 1 section of the variant screen. In the Parent # box, you would place the title number (it will actual accept the whole URL to make copy and pasting easier) of the desired parent. When you use the Option 2 section, you are creating a new record. I've rejected the edit and will let you re-submit the correct form. Let me know if my instructions were not clear. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:20, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Upon a Sea of Stars ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4727210 this edit], does the publication:<br />
# have the novel or does it have the original short stories? <br />
# have the collection itself or does it have the stories from the collection?<br />
Only what is actually in the publication should be listed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:22, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:#Yes. The novel, and the components are listed in TOC, and each have separate title pages.<br />
:#Yes. Same for the collection.<br />
:--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:08, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::It seems unlikely that the novel would fit in 2 pages. Is it really the novel + the novelettes (in other words the full novel plus the repetition of the individual stories that were combined to make the novel) or the novel is formed of chapters that are the same as the novelettes? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:14, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::It's nested, like the TOC, which is formatted as an outline.<br />
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:::#title page of novel<br />
:::#dedication page of novel<br />
:::#title page of first component and initial text<br />
:::#more pages of component #1<br />
:::#title page of 2nd compononent and initial text<br />
:::#more pages of component #2<br />
:::etc --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:21, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:27, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperial Earth & The Wind from the Sun ==<br />
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Hello. To answer your question ''Don't know if I'm supposed to add '[verified]' to my G39 printing.'' in your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4738029 here]: No. Since the ISFDB records all distinct printings, I suggest you create a new record by cloning the G10 printing and make it your G39 printing, that you can then verify. Btw, is your G39 printing also an SFBC? (note that I'm not an expert on these kind of printing designations and SFBC, so you may want to consult other moderators that can chime in with their thoughts on the matter, but the basic rule is 'if it's a different printing, then it's a different pub record...).<br />
Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4738033 this one], I think. As far as I can deduce, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194077 this record] is for the first printing (D1). Is your G20 printing a SFBC edition too, or a regular one? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:42, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: There are special rules for entering SFBC editions. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_a_SFBC_publication]. One record for all printings. It's just that the instructions don't mention how to use the 'verified' tag when describing the gutter code. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:02, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - SFBC is a bit special on this regard - unless the cover or the ISBN or the SFBC number changes or something else, we don't separate printings here (these indicate something closer to batches and not printings basically). The usual way is to specify that PV2 has gutter code XX, PV3 has gutter code YY and so on -- I like adding the name of the editor as well, especially if it is not PV1 (in case someone pulls their verification - the old system had exact numbers, this one does not). Alternatively just listing them all in a list also works. That can change at some point but I prefer the system as is quite honestly... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:39, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I haven't seen linkages to PVers in any of the few dozen i've PVed. Just an occasional 'verified' after the gutter code. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:45, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Some do, some don't. We have other cases with gutter codes which serve as batch differentiators only. The Verified means someone saw that code (aka it is not just from an online source) and decided to mark it that way because they also added some of the others; adding a name helps track down details if it gets to that. Do whatever feels comfortable - I tend to like more information than less. Different editors, different styles. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:50, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hmmm, I not necessarily agree with bunching all SFBC printings (don't understand what the difference between print runs & batches really is, especially since it seems that gutter code identifies which batch/printing it is about) into a single pub record, but I'll approve the few records I have on hold (as they conform to the current practice). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:28, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Motor-Boat, Motor-Cycle ==<br />
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I noticed that you corrected some pub titles of both Tom Swift novels. However, you didn't change the contents title accordingly. Having done a cursory check on Motor-Boat, I notice that virtually all (if not all?) publications have the hyphen on their title page. Would you think that it is a correct assumption that all existing records must be updated? So, shouldn't we change all pub and title records to the hyphen variant? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:34, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:At a minimum, at least all the facsimile Applewood publications should match. I missed one, and have entered an edit. Beyond that, I don't see how you're seeing title page info on the others. Now, we could change the title record to have the dash, as then it would match the original (facsimile) edition. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:19, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, for a few of the others I did check LookInside on Amazon (for what that's worth), and these showed the dash as well. If we're not going to touch the other ones, and only the facsimile ones, we'll have to create a new title record (not change the existing one, otherwise you'll end up changing the title record for all other pubs as well), and then either variant the one with the dash to the one without (or the other way around, depends on which one's older will be the parent). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:57, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm new at this and am happy to take direction from those with a more seasoned opinions. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:40, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Knight Life ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, I've accepted your edit to change the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19638 Knight Life] from Ace Books to Ace Fantasy Books. A quick heads up: you may not know we have a protocol to advise other Primary Verifiers of proposed changes to their verified publications, and this book would be a case in point before submitting the edit. However as you can see, the other verifiers have not shown their faces around these parts for some time (the most recent being March this year), and we shouldn't let your edit to remain unapproved in perpetuity. Please just leave a message on their Talk pages that your edit has gone ahead in lieu of their long absence. Thanks! [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:01, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Breach in the Heavens ==<br />
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For {{P|680059|A Breach in the Heavens}}, the notes have "This edition has US, UK and Canadian prices". It would be good to include the UK and Canadian prices in that note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:52, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Done (Although, I did inherit that part of the note). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:20, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Crippled Angel ==<br />
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Just a quick note. Excerpts get the publication date from the publication they appear in, not the pub date of the original publication (which I guess you've done for 'Druid's Sword (excerpt)' ?). I've updated this excerpt you've added to {{p|359734|The Crippled Angel}} from 2006-05-00 to 2006-08-00. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:44, 5 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! That makes it easier to deal adding excerpts. My (apparently bad) intuition was that it would be more like a title, than a publication. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:26, 5 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, it's a title all right, but one that happens to be published together with the book it appears in. Look at it this way: excerpts are titles in their own right and are, in a way, unrelated to the work they're an excerpt from - much like short stories, really. If you look at excerpts this way, it's easy to see why they receive the date of the pub they appear in. Hope that helps? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:02, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:If it were like a real short story, the date would be when the short was first published, not when the collection or anthology it's printing in was. But nevertheless, I understand the process now. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:39, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes, exactly so. But unless we know when this exact same excerpt was first published, we have to stick with what we know; ie the date of the publication at hand :) And by the way, thanks for your contributions! Most appreciated! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:49, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ark Liberty ==<br />
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I've added cover art credit to {{P|264314|Ark Liberty}} since that artwork is featured on page 15 of David Mattingly's artbook Alternate Views, Alternate Universes (the signature is hidden under the publisher's red bar). [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 17:28, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's The Rest of the Robots ==<br />
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I've started a [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Asimov's The Rest of the Robots|discussion]] on the Community Portal regarding some changes I'd like to make to the publications of Asimov's ''The Rest of the Robots''. Since you verified a copy, please weigh in there and let me know your opinion on the proposed changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:25, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Yaril's Children ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|55659|Yaril's Children}} with some notes. [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 21:47, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ride the Star Winds ==<br />
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I'm trying to change the cover artist credit for {{P|376546|Ride the Star Winds}} -- the book itself (and the amazon look inside) says cover art by Stephen Hickman, but the art appears on Alan Pollack's website (under Science Fiction) and I pm'd Steve on FB and he says that isn't his art! [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 14:15, 16 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Up Jim River ==<br />
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Re {{P|338622|Up Jim River}}: Is there a reason to not include the maps (as by uncredited) in the contents? I recognize the pub note predates your edit, but if there is maps, we would generally include in the contents and you are the only active verifier at this point. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:20, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Having someone to credit is one the factors I use when determining what to add while editing. However, I can go back and add the maps. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:17, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Knight Life number line ==<br />
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I see that you recently added a note to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19638 Knight Life]'' indicating that it is a first printing noted by a number line. My copy has no number line. Could I get you to take a second look. If yours really does have a number line, then I would surmise that we have two different variants. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:58, 20 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:You're right, there's no number line. Not sure why I entered it that way, other than I screwed up. Edit entered to remove the number line. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:23, 20 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales from Not Long for This World ==<br />
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I'm going to make some changes to our mutually verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177297 Tales from Not Long for This World]''. The title of the publication is currently listed as "Not Long for This World (abridged)" and there is a note stating "The title on the cover is preceded by 'Tales from' but not on the title page." This statement is not correct. The title page does have the words "Tales from" appearing in a smaller font above the rest of the title. I suspect that with the title depicted in negative space and the size of the font that whoever added that comment must have missed it. In any case, I'm going to alter the title and the note. I also intend to add at least one external id. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat*A*Lyst ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6369 Cat*A*Lyst], but you need to now variant that title with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3428 Cat-A-Lyst], or be sure to merge it with other versions of the pub with the new title. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:46, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: You should probably further investigate which other pub records need to updated to the 'dotted' spelling of the title and merge/variant as needed. And by the way, the pub record now has two coverart title records too... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:31, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
I'm trying to figure out an order to attack this in. I removed the 2nd cover, and did an edit for the Canadian pb. Would it make sense to edit the title record, as I believe that most of the pubs will end up with dots? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:12, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Depends. If you can establish that the vast majority of pubs have the dot-title, then yes, you could do that and then unmerge the few that are with a dash. Seems to me the first thing to establish is which pubs have a dot-title... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:58, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
Hmmm. 5 dots, 4 dashes, and 1 neither. I am tempted to change the main title to dots, as that would match the first appearance of the title as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:13, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:All my edits went through, and now I'm not sure if I'm done or not. Is all right the way it is, or are there further steps? Should there be a variant title? I'm not quite sure what would be expected here. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3428 list] there are 3 publications (the UK Orbit ones) where the title uses the fancy character while the publication uses the "-". They need to match so if these 3 really need to have "-" (and it seems so?), the next step is to unmerge the 3 publications out from the title and then merge the 3 resulting titles and then variant the result to the main work. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:46, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: One more actually: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2071918 this one] needs to be merged into the main work. Let me know if you want to try or if you want me to. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:48, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::How about Katzenspiel? Do translations have different expectations? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:56, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Technically yes but [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1652366 it] is already on its own and varianted into the main title so nothing needs to be changed in it. :) The only ones that were getting changed were the English language ones - the translations are already sorted out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:04, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: All approved and I also sorted out the Keith Parkinson covers (two of them were with the wrong separator). What remains now are the three reviews - for which we will need the PVs of the publications they are in to check what the separator is. Unfortunately 2 of the 3 have only inactive PVs so I would just leave the reviews alone (so just mentioning it here for the next time you are adjusting titles) :) Thanks for fixing these! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:54, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Looks good! Thanks for sorting these out. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:48, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A War of Shadows ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?149801 this] is Davis Meltzer, his signature is in the middle at the very bottom of the front cover, see [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/dc/38/a4dc38fd5bb623bcacc37327e8784fcf.jpg this scan]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 17:30, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== HTMLize notes ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
<br />
Changing a lengthy note from non-HTML to HTML format when adding a small piece of information is considered a bit rude and inconsiderate, especially when there are multiple PVs (such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4783911 here]). We work as a team and one editor's format cannot (and should not) be used to overwrite everyone else's just because they are the last to edit. It will be appreciated if you show some respect to the other editors' styles - not everyone is comfortable working with HTML and we support both types of comments for a reason. <br />
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I think I mentioned that once in one of the threads but don't remember mentioning it directly on your page so decided to stop by and just post a reminder. Thanks for the understanding and thanks for adding all the additional information. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:52, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok, I'll dial it back. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:54, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! If you are the only PV or you are adding extensive notes (which you often do), it is all yours - the HTML format is supported and acceptable. It is the multi-PVed ones where someone is only adding a small piece of info -- if any of the other PVs decides to, they can just go and undo the html again -- which will lead to editing wars. So we thread lightly. And it goes in the other direction as well - removing html for the sake of removal will be frowned upon as well. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:::I check my altered PVs and use that as a feedback indication, rather than a call to arms. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:04, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Interviews and special naming rules ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, <br />
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Interviews and reviews are the two types of titles that seemingly have two authors. However, due to how the DB works, only one can be varianted into a canonical name - the Interviewer and the Reviewer respectively as they are considered the authors per our definition. However - we still show the statistics for the other 2 -- and if we cannot variant, it leaves the DB in a bit of a weird state (with titles on pseudonyms pages). That means that the Interviewee and the author of the reviewed work have to be recorded with their canonical names (a note can be added to specify how they were credited). I fixed it in one of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2782313 verified]. It is one of those weird rules that make sense but are not intuitive (thus me trying to explain the reasoning). Let me know if you have any questions. <br />
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PS: This is one of the rules everyone forgets - so you are not alone in mixing these up :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:48, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:For reviews, canonical name is not required. It merely needs to be a form already in the database (see [[:Template:TitleFields:ReviewAuthor]]). If a review uses a recorded pseudonym, then we use that pseudonym. If it uses a variation of a recorded pseudonym, then we'd correct to the pseudonym. The review would then be linked to the variant title record and the software is smart enough to show the review on both the variant and parent title. See this {{T|2752126|review}}, {{T|2515290|variant}}, and {{T|2515291|parent}} for an example. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:08, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Oops. Thanks for the correction and clarification on that one. You are right of course - for reviews the form of the name just need to exist and match the title we connect to. I came to explain the rule for interviews, decided to add the second special type and made a mess of it. Thanks for the catch. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:17, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gadget Maker ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4786827 this] speculative fiction? The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gadget_Maker Wikipedia synopsis] certainly doesn't make it seem so. It would seem to fall into our "Techno-thriller, political thriller and satire works set in a future indistinguishable from the present" (where the present is 1954) clause. Is their synopsis misleading? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I haven't read it. I bought it many years ago thinking it was, but old-school techno-thriller seems to characterize accurately. I was thinking that stories about engineers making rockets seemed close. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:27, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Okay, let's exclude it until you have a chance to read it. If you find that it has some speculative elements, we can unreject the submission. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:30, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Could you point me at where it talks about the scope for the site? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Sure. It's [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy]]. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:37, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Don Lynch --> Howard Koslow? ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, please take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Possible_correction_of_artist this possible finding]. Right now, you seem to be the only available PV editor. Would you like to comment over at the noticeboard (and possibly take action)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:30, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cerulean Sins ==<br />
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You really should change the cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63268 here] - a /P/ Amazon image can be changed at any time :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Never mind - apparently you did on a next update ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:24, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Novel ending page ==<br />
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Hello. Just a heads-up. For publications where the printed page numbers go beyond the end of the novel, add a note stating "Novel ends on page xxx" (I could swear this is somewhere in the rules, but couldn't find it... ah well... still think it's a good idea to add it to the notes :). [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423759 Here] for example, you updated the page count from 531 to 549, and added an excerpt starting on p535. This leads me to believe that the novel proper ended on p.531, correct? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:00, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426654 this one] [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:28, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Winter Song ==<br />
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Hi have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4808064 your submission] on hold, as I wonder if it wouldn't be better to state that the US edition has the author's name in Orange, instead of outright deleting the statement? Like you did when you updated the US edition ? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:08, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Resubmitted per your suggestion. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:19, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== King's Property ==<br />
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I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?803678 this one] but looking at the one we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99721 here], it seems like it is a duplicate. The 11st seems like a typo for 1st and the price being the same in both Canada and USA kinda points to the original record being also a first edition - an 11th will be much later so at least one of the prices should be different. Would you like to update the old record and add your notes and updates there? Sorry for not catching it before approval. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sapphire Rose ==<br />
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You are PV2 on the sapphire Rose by David Eddings. Either you or PV1 named the map The Sapphire Rose (maps) with the 1992 publication date. If you check your copy I think you will see it is signed and dated 1988. This map was used in all three books of the Elenium. In fact, the publisher refers to this map as the Eosia map on the copyright page of the first book in the next series. Let me know if you have a problem with me changing this. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:53, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:05, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Auto-da-Fé ==<br />
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Hello Glenn. I noticed that you added {{t|2803502|Auto-da-Fé}} as a replacement for {{t|59204|Auto-da-Fe}} (without accent aigu) to the 1967 publication {{p|52497|Turning On}}, but with the same publication year (1961). However, as far as we know the variant {{t|2803502|Auto-da-Fé}} was first published in the 1967 edition of {{p|52497|Turning On}} (or perhaps for the first time in the 1966 edition {{p|52496|Turning On: Thirteen Stories}}), surely not in 1961. So I've updated the year of first publication of Auto-da-Fé as 1967. Let me know if you would disagree (and why).<br />
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As an aside, there seems to be a similar problem with {{t|57077|Semper Fi}}, which seems to have been first published as {{t|187371|Satisfaction}} in 1964-08. The first occurrence of Semper Fi (at least in our DB) is not earlier than 1966-08 (the first edition of {{p|52496|Turning On}} - so seems like Satisfaction is a variant of Semper Fi instead of the other way around. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:28, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: When a story gets more popular under a later title, we use the LATER name as a canonical title. This is the case with Semper Fi so reversing the variant is not needed even if there is a SINGLE publication under a different title before that. Canonical title does not always mean "first title". [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:12, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Sun in Glory: And Other Tales of Valdemar ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4884983 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4884986 this] - are "Sun in Glory" "And Other Tales of Valdemar" exactly the same size on the title page? If not, then the way we have it now is correct - a subtitle is added by adding ":" between it and the title. The only case when your proposed change will be valid is if "and..." is not a subtitle but appears as part of the title itself (same font, same size) on the title page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:35, 17 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's a different font size, but the 'and' is lower case. My feeling is that the font is smaller on the second line because the words wouldn't fit otherwise. I took the subtitle instructions <b>It is sometimes a judgement call as to whether a change of font or a colon indicates a subtitle or just some creative license on the part of the typesetter. If in doubt, take your best guess and document the guess in the publication's notes.</b> as an indication of some leeway allowed in the rule.<br />
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: There's some additional rationale I left on on Marc Kupper's talk page. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:00, 18 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah, I know it is a subjective clause and I saw that we have the rest of the series in a different way. However both [https://www.worldcat.org/title/sun-in-glory-and-other-tales-of-valdemar/oclc/53478242 OCLC] and [https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchCode=LCCN&searchArg=2004596794&searchType=1&permalink=y LCCN] threat is as a subtitle and inject the ":" in there. The lower case is not that unusual - capitalizing the subtitle's first word when it is one of the small words is not the rule in all the style formats... Let me think on that for a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 18 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Horse and His Boy ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, I've accepted your submission, but can you double check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822020 this pub record]'s date, as I suspect that the pub date must be 1976-00-00 (per your notes) iso 1974? Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:49, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:18, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publishers vs Publication series ==<br />
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Hi, why do you want books published as Ace Fantasy to be under a separate publisher '[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?54310 Ace Fantasy Books'], instead of putting those books in the publication series [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1312 'Ace Fantasy']. Is Ace Fantasy Books at a different address than Ace Science fiction, or are they in fact two desks in the same office? Please explain.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:07, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: The same with Tor.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:09, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: For the Ace ones, they are listed as Ace Fantasy Books on the cover, title page, and copyright page. The only address given is for the Berkeley Publishing Group. It is a separate imprint and not a pub series. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: If the same holds true for the four that are now given as pub series we have to enter them likewise, not like the hodge-podge it is now.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:57, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::To complicate matters, there are Ace 'fantasy' books that really seem to be a publication series, in that they say 'Fantasy' on the spine, but not the title page. Tor seems to be more consistent, in that the spine and title page always matches, at least that I've seen. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:28, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: I just noticed the edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4905749] from Dirk that removed the pub series marker. However there is a 'Fantasy' marker on the top of spine (but not the title page). Not sure what the rules are for pub series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publication_Series See our wiki].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:46, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::If there exist fantasy pubs published by Ace Books (and not by Ace Fantasy Books), then I guess that edit should be reversed, and notes added to both the pub and the pub series record to clarify. (And perhaps a note cautioning editors not to delete the pub series)[[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:54, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds like a good idea, explaining in the notes why the book should be in a publication series named 'fantasy' while such is not evident from cover, nor title page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:44, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::It's not clear to me what criteria should be used to decide something is a publication series. It seems obvious with cover markup like <b>Jim Baen Present</b> or <b>Ace Science Fiction Special</b>, but is a single category word like <b>Fantasy</b> on the spine enough? My assumption is that the imprint takes priority over pub series, e.g., publications wouldn't be both in pub series <b>Ace Fantasy</b> and imprint <b>Ace Fantasy Books</b> simultaneously. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:42, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: There is no restriction imposed, so it is possible to have pub series <b>Ace Fantasy</b> and imprint <b>Ace Fantasy Books</b> simultaneously. Whether that is the right choice depends on what's on or in the books, even how the series is perceived, how it is marketed, etc... If there's fantasy on the spine of publications by imprint Ace Fantasy Books, I'd record it as such - and add clarifying notes all over the place :) One advantage of doing so is that you could link fantasy pubs by Ace Books with fantasy pubs by Ace Fantasy Books when using the same pub series name (provided of course these can be considered part of the same publication series, only published by (slightly) different publishers) - it has happened before (for example when a publisher started a series, which later became an imprint of another publisher who took over/merged with the first). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:04, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBN 0-87997-133-9 ==<br />
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Hi, For both the DAW publications [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108641 The Stone That Never Came Down UY1150] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255142 Spawn of Laban UQ1133] you derived the ISBN-10 from the catalog number. Problem is that the ISBN-10 is in both cases 0-87997-133-9...--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:13, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ooops. Accidently used the DAW# instead of the catalog number when generating. Edit submitted. Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:34, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Exiled from Earth ==<br />
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Added cover artist John Mardon for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?786152 this]. Same cover art as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291295 this] edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 03:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:23, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Shatterday ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30186 this] edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:31, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sheri or Sherri? ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?322814] should be by Sheri S. Tepper. Can you check and fix if needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:19, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Fixed. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:36, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Outcasts of Order ==<br />
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Hi Glen, you are the PV for a pb edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828351 Outcasts of Order]. I have been consolidating the names of the three maps used throughout this series. The relevant maps for this book are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?821981 The World (Saga of Recluce) (map)] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2848218 Candar and Recluce (map)]. I would be happy to import them for you. Let me know. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:51, 6 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:26, 6 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Recluse maps ==<br />
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All three maps were set up and the different names were merged. If you are verifying any that do not yet have the maps, go ahead and import them. I thought I got all the through book 20, but, I could have missed one. Just look at the HC for any title you are verifying to see the appropriate map. You will catch on to the naming scheme I used. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:20, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Just looked at some of your latest PV's. You will need to do some importing. If a pub had no PV, Annie asked me to leave it blank. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:29, 9 April 2021 (EDT)d<br />
: I'm unfamiliar with the import process. From the sound of it, it's different than just editing the publication and adding titles, but I'm not sure where to start.<br />
:: Would you like me to do them, or try to explain the procedure.? I will be glad to do either. If you would like me to do them, make sure you have PV all of yours so I can tell which pubs are yours. So far {{p|38180| Death of Chaos}} and {{p|13068| Fall of Angels}} are the only ones missing the maps. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:41, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I've got the imports figured out and am progressing through the series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm glad you are doing it on your own. Be careful, you have imported the wrong map to {{p|249991|Natural Ordermage}}. The second map should be {{t|821981|Hamor (map)}}. If your not sure which are the correct maps, you can look at the three map title pages and you will see which books use each map.[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:12, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: I just noticed a Hamor map, but your link points at 'world'. Was in the process of looking for the proper map. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:14, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Sorry about that! . Watch out for Arms-Commander, just uses one map. [[User Talk: Scifibones|John]] 19:54, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Edit submitted for Natural Ordermage. I noticed the single map at least. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:23, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: So you found this map? {{t|2851224|Hamor(map}}[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yep. Had a problem for a bit, but changed search from 'fiction titles' to 'all titles' and found it then. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:29, 10 April 2021 (EDT<br />
Check which map you imported into "The Mongrel Mage". [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 12:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: It looks ok to me. What issue are you seeing? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:34, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I just looked at my book again to check. The second map should be the "Hamor (map)" not the "Candor and Recluce (map)" . Hit me up anytime John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:45, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I just checked again, and my copy of the book has "Candar and Recluse" as the 2nd map. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Interesting, the publisher printed the wrong one in one of them. I haven't read it yet, so I can't sy which. Lol. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:53, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: I've read them, and the Candar map is correct. Volumes 19-21 are a subseries with the same main character. I'd guess that the HC had the wrong map, and it got fixed for the PB edition. Perhaps we should add some notes. --![[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:04, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll try to get hold of a HC copy of "Mage-Fire War" this week and see if it is corrected there. Then a note will probably be in order. I'll let you know what I find out. [[User Talk:Scifibones| John]] 17:10, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Yes, please, add notes for that weird map changing between formats :) And this is exactly why I am a bit careful before adding maps to editions that someone does not have access to. Thanks for working on these, gentlemen! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:35, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: I went ahead and submitted the following note for "The Mongrel Mage". Tor erroneously included the map of "Hamor" on pages [10]-[11]. The map featuring "Candar and Recluce" is the proper map. This was corrected by the 1st printing of the mass market paperback, verified <a href="http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?674427">Here</a> (only Here will show) . I'm borrowing "Mage-Fire War" tonight, although I expect it is correct since "Outcasts of Order" is correct. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:54, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: I just noticed that you didn't change the publisher to <i>Tor Fantasy</i>. Is the hardcover not marked so on the title page? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:21, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: Nope, still just Tor. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:51, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Just to make sure... there's no little shield with 'Tor Fantasy' over it on the bottom of the title page... My Tor fantasy HCs have such. (in other titles). More fully, I'd expect <br />
::::::::: Just checked Mage-Fire HC look-inside on Amazon and saw just the plain Tor. Oh well, more inconsistencies between formats. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:31, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: I have The Mongrel Mage open in front of me. No shield. "Tor" (over) "Tom Doherty Associates Book" (over) "New York". I worked late today so I am picking up Mage-Fire War at lunch tomorrow. If it shows Tor Fantasy I will surely make the change when I verify it. I promise to post a note here and let you know. I will also double check Outcasts of Order. It's always possible I could have missed it there. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:08, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Outcasts of Order is just Tor. The only 2 I see, in the Recluce series, are the first two books. I posted a note [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Publisher Imprints|Here]] to see how they want me to handle these. I never even paid attention to them, glad you pointed it out. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:08, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Tor® | fantasy | shield with stars on top, mountain below | A Tom Doherty Associates Book | New York <br />
Do you plan on doing the maps for the Imager series? Just started my PV pass there. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:44, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I will at some point, right now I'm making an effort to verify more of my collection. Next time I do one, if pb's are involved, I'll solicit your help. Interested? John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 10:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've started the Imager series with using shared maps in mind. And sure, let me know if you would like help in the future. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:34, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Day of the Dragonstar ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Would you mind checking [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar this discussion]? Thanks1 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:31, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Can you stop by and check something in this one again? We are trying to determine if the German one is a translation of the serial or the book and Christian has questions about the serial. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:23, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Manifold: Time ==<br />
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I'm changing title to conform to standards, removing the series name for {{p|21370|Manifold: Time}}. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:00, 16 April 2021 (EDT) I also removed the cover art title, "Jacket design by David Stevenson from HC"<br />
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: This not attempt to dissuade you from the change, but give some thoughts about why I didn't do this removal while PVing.<br />
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: I'm more likely to keep the series name in the title if it seems to be intrinsically part of the title. So a series subtitle seems less intrinsic than one that comes first with a following colon, like <b>Manifold: Time</b>. And a title like <b>Lucky Starr and the Pirates of the Asteroids</b> I would never attempt the removal upon. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:40, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: The moderators asked me to make this change in all the publications of the trilogy. I was actually arguing in favor of your position. Originally I posted a link to the conversation, but, on second thought, ask Annie directly. She will explain it better than reading through the original back and forth. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:26, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Your_comment_re:_Origin Here's the conversation]. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:04, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== To Clear Away the Shadows ==<br />
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I recently read the book, and I was surprised to find that the book contains all new characters, different from anyone in the preceding 12 books. I asked a question in the help desk wiki about how to know when a new sub-series was starting, and Annie said to leave it for now and put a note into it. So I did. I also asked David Drake what his plans were on his website. We'll see what he says, or what he does. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 10:09, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost in Translation ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking the cover art credit for {{P|20799|Lost in Translation}}? It is common for people to see "Courtney" when the artist's actual name is {{A|Cortney Skinner}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Spelled with a 'u' on the copyright page. (Courtney) --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:19, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions ==<br />
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I picked up a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8713 this] and note that it states gutter codes are printed on page 544. My copy definately has "Book Club Edition" at bottom of front flap and the number 1179 on the rear flap but alas page 544 has no code at all. Is there anywhere else within the book a gutter code might have been printed ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:09, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I have '46I' on the bottom of page 539. In general, start at the end and work your way back 5 or 10 pages. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:55, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. That was very helpful. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:15, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher New Infinities ==<br />
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Hi <br />
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Another user left a [[User talk:Rtrace#Publisher name|note]] on my talk page questioning the difference between the publishers [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?62967 New Infinities Productions / Ace] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?38481 New Infinities / Ace]. I double checked my book and the publisher is credited as "New Infinity Productions, Inc." throughout the book, including the cover and spine logo. You are one of the only two active verifiers who has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42789 a book] by the publisher with the shorter name (and in fact, I have a copy of the same book). While I don't think we need to include "Inc.", I do think the longer name is more appropriate. Do you have any objections if I merge these two publishers taking the longer name? I'm checking with the other active verifier as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:31, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:52, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sporting Chance ==<br />
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I approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325550 Sporting Chance], but I eliminate the [3] pages and put the [24] pages of the excerpt in parens instead. This makes the pagination in the contents clearer, and noone will miss the three pages in between. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:59, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Another map consolidation ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, As a PV of many volumes please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. Hopefully you thought the last one was beneficial. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Victory Conditions ==<br />
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I approved your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273491 Victory Conditions], but one thing you should know. When you enter the Canadian price for a pub use "C$xx.xx", not just "$xx.xx". Canadian and U.S. dollars are not the same. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:49, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Leftovers from the previous version of the notes. I just changed the number line. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:42, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== First Lord's Fury ==<br />
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Added a couple notes and ext id to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293159 First Lord's Fury]. Noticed you called the map "First Lord's Fury (map)" even though it has a title "The Realm of Alera". In fact there are two title records with that name. Do you have an objection to merging your title into "The Realm of Alera (map)" with those? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No objection. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:06, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Turn Coat] ==<br />
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Added pub note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273980 Turn Coat] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
--[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:48, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cuckoo's Egg ==<br />
<br />
I added this note --"Cover painting by Randall Asplund" credited on rear flap, the artwork is signed ©1985 Randy Aspland on back cover-- to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8429 Cuckoo's Egg]. Hope you don't mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:58, 11 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Chanur's Legacy ==<br />
<br />
Adding a couple pub notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6627 Chanur's Legacy] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:50, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Stardrift ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444493 this] is Jack Faragasso. Cover art credit from a signed print of the artwork for sale on the US Amazon site here: https://www.amazon.com/Stardrift-Signed-Fine-Print-Faragasso/dp/B08959P3MQ --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:11, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Proposed Map Consolidation ==<br />
<br />
As a PV of at least one publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?369 Inheritor] or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20011 Precursor] , please take a moment to look at [[User Talk:Scifibones #Foreigner Map Consolidation| Foreigner Map Consolidation]] and leave your comments. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:22, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Submitted edit today [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Winds of the Forelands ==<br />
<br />
I have two questions related to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18321 Winds of the Forelands] series.<br />
# I noticed we have different cover artists credited for the hc and pb versions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27498 Bonds of Vengeance]. The covers look very similar, would you mind double checking?<br />
:: My paperback says "Cover art by Gary Ruddell" on the back cover.<br />
# I am the sole verifier of all the hc editions with one exception, Same for you for the pb editions. I set up a title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?919662 Winds of the Forelands (map)] Do you mind if I merge in the different map titles?<br />
:: They're probably the same between hc and pb, but unless one of us scans and shares somehow, and the other compares, it's just a guess. But in general, merging maps that are identical is fine with me. <br />
I hope I'm not bothering you with all these requests. You have such an impressive library, you always have books included in my proposed merges. I hate having multiple titles for the same artwork. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:37, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No problem with the requests. The map merging wasn't on my radar when I started PVing about almost a year ago. I've been working through the novel/collection section of my library, and I'm up to 'N'. Finish them, then anthologies, and then shared world crud. And then digest magazines. Maybe a couple more years? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:27, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking the artist credit. I'll import the map into "Bonds of Vengeance" while I'm at it. That is the only pb pub that didn't have a map entry. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:23, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:15, 21 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Final Encyclopedia ==<br />
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Added couple pub notes and imported [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?921044 Afterword: The Door into Darkness] into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39770 The Final Encyclopedia]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:12, 25 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chantry Guild ==<br />
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Added a couple design credits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36981 The Chantry Guild]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:23, 25 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part One ==<br />
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Made a pub date change, added some notes and OCLC to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256970 The Belgariad: Part One] You will see another change when I import the map title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:14, 5 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Riftwar Universe ==<br />
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Hi Glen, I have submitted edits for many of the HC's in the Riftwar Universe. You are a PV'er for some of these. Wanted to let you know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:07, 13 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Commune 2000 A.D. / Mack Reynolds ==<br />
<br />
Putting this entry in my messages for multiple commenters...<br />
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While PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210233 Commune 2000 A.D. / Mack Reynolds] I noticed that the cover with '30p' doesn't match mine without.<br />
Do your copies look like the cover in the entry?<br />
<br />
It appears from the edit history that BLongley added the note about 30p and Corgi, but it's not clear to me if he<br />
was referring to the cover image, or his copy of the book.<br />
<br />
I can update the image with a scan of my copy, but wanted to know if appropriate. <br />
(I currently have an edit pending with additional changes).<br />
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--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:26, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:My copy has no '30p'. I'll move my verification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433528 this edition] that was probably entered by Bluesman in 2013 for the same reason. I.m.o. we should change the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210233 Bill Longley's copy] to Bantam / Corgi and the price to £0.30. Unfortunately we can't ask Bill anymore. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:39, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ps, I fixed your link, it didn't work and thanks for noticing this! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:41, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I moved my verification as well. Thanks. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 09:28, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have moved my verification to the original Bantam version as well. Good catch! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:52, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Is someone going to edit the 30p record? Or was that an indirect request for me to do so? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:23, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did since nobody opposed my suggestion. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:52, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The only thing that seems odd with your suggestion is that that's the only book by this 'new' publisher. Is the intent that it should be used for books with Bantam covers with the price overprint? If so, perhaps a note in the publisher indicating so. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:31, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Last 14 ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG -<br />
Could I get you to check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210717 this] publication? Clute/Nicholls, Reginald1 and Worldcat all have the title as "The Last Fourteen". Tuck has it as we do. Given the discrepancy, I wonder if the title page perhaps has the number spelled out. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The title page has it spelled out as <B>THE LAST FOURTEEN</B>. Sorry I missed that when PVing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:49, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I checked my copy and changed the title to conform with the titlepage. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:38, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sandstorm ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5050003 this submission]: We already have an entry for the {{P|314339|first Avon edition}}. This entry looks like a duplicate? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:56, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There appears to be two versions. One with a regular cover as shown, and one with the plastic lens in front of the artwork forming a 3d effect. It's not clear (to me) if they came out concurrently, or at different times. I didn't want to just change the existing one, as the cover doesn't match my copy. Also note that it includes a different excerpt. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:33, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry for the delay. The edit has been approved. I still question whether the original version is correct. It has "Data from Locus1. OCLC notes there is an excerpt from the next book in the series." and no page numbers even though it was verified. That implies the verifier didn't take much care when verifying it, but looking at the pub history, I see they are the ones that added the excerpt. Unfortunately, they have not been active in almost a year so we will have to go with what's there. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:58, 13 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Aymé's Walker-Through-Walls ==<br />
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Hi<br />
<br />
Could I get you to double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216109 this collection]? I am suspicious of the hyphen between "The" and "Walker". Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:55, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: THE | WALKER- | THROUGH- | WALLS | Originally published as | ACROSS PARIS and Other Stories<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:25, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia, Maid of Mars ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 this pub] of Thuvia, Maid of Mars as there are two variations differentiated by the address and the ad at the end. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Monster Men ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 this pub] of ''The Monster Men'' as there are two variations differentiated by the ad at the end. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Moon Maid ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 this pub] of ''The Moon Maid'' as there are two variations differentiated by the publisher address. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Magic Series ==<br />
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Would you mind if I changed the series name "Blood Magic" to "Blood Magic (Cook)" for titles [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1032007 Blood Magic] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?829648 Nights of Sin]? I accidentally added the 7 titles in a newer Blood Magic series to the existing one. Since the older one only has two members, it would be easier to change the series name for just those two titles. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:17, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Not a problem. Although it might make sense to rename the other series to <b>Blood Magic (Kraus/Lawrence)</b> as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:52, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::That does makes sense. I'll do that as well. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:26, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Splitting some Burroughs publications you have verified ==<br />
<br />
Some existing Burroughs publications you have PV'd have two variants that need to be split. You have verified <br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 Monster Men], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 The Moon Maid], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26181 Pirates of Venus], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34557 Tarzan and the Lost Empire] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 Thuvia Maid of Mars]<br />
<br />
Please check [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Holmesd#Changing_Burroughs_Books_.28Poll.29 this poll] to help determine which variant is the existing entry, and which is created. Your participation is appreciated. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:35, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hagberg Flash Gordon credit ==<br />
<br />
You are the only active verifier of several books in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25924 Flash Gordon] series by David Hagberg. All of these have a note that Hagberg is not credited within the book. Do you have any objection if I correct the publication records to reflect that Hagberg is uncredited? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm not sure what you want to do. Is it to change the author from Hagberg to uncredited on the publication records? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:29, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Yes, that's part of it. I would then unmerge the publication from Hadberg's title record and remerge them to the uncredited variant. I did this with the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298218 one] book in the series where there were no active verifiers, if you'd like to see how it would look. Books without an author credit should be entered as uncredited and if we know the actual author's name, as in this case, we make them variants with the author's name in the parent title. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I take it that authors work differently than cover artists then? I've seen any number of publications with cover artist uncredited in/on the book, but filled in from other sources. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:02, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yes. Artists follow different rules. For example we never enter a cover artist as "uncredited". Also it is permissible to credit an artist from a secondary source outside of the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Sure, then go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:28, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::All done. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:29, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Well of Ascension ==<br />
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Why removing the date from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5077693 here]? The note looks like a first printing? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:51, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Never mind - inverted line. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:09, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black|Gold|Red Unicorn - Tanith Lee ==<br />
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The publisher for Black|Gold is 'Tor & Byron Preiss'. My copy of Gold seems like it should really be 'Tor Fantasy & Byron Preiss'. Black|Gold are the only instances of this publisher. Ron, would you check your copies? Taweiss is a PVer for Red which is currently 'Tor'. Conceivably, it should be changed to 'Tor Fantasy', or 'Tor Fantasy & Byron Preiss' as well.<br />
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Black: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36109]<br />
Gold: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15717]<br />
Red: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27659]<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:34, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:My copies of the paperbacks for Black and Gold do have the Tor Fantasy logo. I also have the hardcover of Red, and that is simply Tor. A Byron Preiss Book appears in all copies that I have access to, including those published by Atheneum. I'm fine with the addition of Fantasy to the records discussed. I'm ambivalent about the inclusion of Preiss. Is it a co-publication, imprint, or is he simply the editor? Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:15, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: The fact that 'Byron Preiss' shows up in the Athenium editions makes me feel like its more a contributor credit, rather than a publisher. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:24, 24 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Based on my copy of "Red", "Tor Fantasy" looks right to me. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 18:24, 25 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire Sanctuary ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13650 this] (according to Adam Rowe's 70s Sci-Fi Art postings) is Don Dixon. It's also credited [https://fineartamerica.com/featured/fire-sanctuary-don-dixon.html?product=greeting-card here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:31, 24 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Feghoot LXIX ==<br />
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Hi Glenn<br />
<br />
While importing Feghoots from your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37411 copy] of ''The Compleat Feghoot'', I noticed that Feghoot LXIX appears to be a limerick and I think we should probably change it from a story to a poem. I left a note on the other verifier's page, but they haven't been active in the last month. If you agree, I'll go ahead and make the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:56, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I checked, and I agree. Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:20, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== I, Zombie ==<br />
<br />
I understand that the publisher used all caps on the copyright page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17696 this] but unless you clarify that specifically in the note, it looks like someone is shouting and someone may decide to clear it up. Yes - I know that the quotes mean "from the book as is" in your template but... that is your convention and people may have other ones. So some notes in cases like that are important (even just adding (from the copyright page) after the closing quote will be enough to indicate where this came from). I'd use normal capitalization (and add a note in brackets after it saying that it is in all caps on the copyright page) quite honestly if I were you... but up to you. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:34, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It seems like quotation marks have a fairly well known meaning even outside the conventions I use when entering notes. Not sure how to quote something without actually quoting it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:48, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: For quoting the text - yes. For showing the styling of the text (as opposed to an editor making it all caps so it is more visible on the page as the only thing they want to quote from the book) - not always as clear - we had had editors using all kinds of ways to separate the "from the book verbatim" from the actual notes and all caps, italics and so on had not been unheard of. And your other quote from the same page is not even in quotes (the number line). Leave it as is if you prefer but someone may decide to "fix" it one day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Duchess of Kneedeep ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38924 this] has been identified as Richard Bober. Original canvas with citation [https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1374598 here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:45, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Law of War ==<br />
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Let's talk about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5118810 this one]. How is Henderson involved in this novel? Because the record as it is now is very very confused and needs fixing - but I need to know how Henderson is involved so we do the correct thing. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:31, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Obliquely credited co-author, like the first volume in the series. I've been trying a sequence of edits to make it parallel to Man O'War, but I'm pretty sure I haven't taken the most direct path. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:20, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You are going in the opposite direction from where you need to go. What needs to happen:<br />
::* The ones inside of the publications remain with Shatner only. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5118261 This] should not have been approved because now you need to eject THAT from both books and insert another which makes no sense. Reversing it will mean that only one step remains:<br />
::* Create a parent with Henderson and Shatner. <br />
:: I've reversed the edit and made the needed parent. Here is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2931922 new parent]. I will leave it to you to add a note explaining Henderson's involvement. <br />
:: When crediting for ghost-writing, leave the titles inside of the books on their own (as credited basically), all you need is a parent record with both names on it. That way it will show up on both authors' bibliographies while the title inside of the book will match what is on the publication (which is how the DB is supposed to work). <br />
:: If the ghost writer was not a known author, we would threat it as a pseudonym (the help page even says that - that's when there is some rigmarole to be done with variants) but as Henderson has his own books, that does not work. Thus the double name on a parent to show it on both. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:28, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Should the note go in the title or the publication? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:12, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'd add it on both quite honestly? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:26, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: But if you want one - title level. That will explain to someone finding the variant why we have Henderson in the parent. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:40, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== War of the Worlds: New Millennuim ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glenn,<br />
<br />
Are you sure that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87597 your verified] is called "War of the Worlds: New Millennuim" and not "War of the Worlds: New Millennium" (the last i and u are inverted). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 07:07, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: You caught me. I'd go with 'iu' normally. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:00, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And fixed. The title record, the rest of the pubs and the cover were already fixed earlier today so we are all set. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:03, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Nimrod Hunt ==<br />
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Since you are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125451 submitting] significant changes (page counts, publisher), you need to discuss the changes with the primary verifiers first. As far as I can tell, none of them have been contacted. Please contact them (the active ones, anyway) and have them post here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:45, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Please include your name in request. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:15, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:GlennMcG&curid=192014&action=history History]: Nihonjoe forgot to sign. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:31, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This type of edit seems to be a expansion or refinement of the information already there, rather than a significant change, at least to me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:36, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have checked my copy and the proposed changes match what it contains. That said, it's conceivable that some other verified pubs may be different. For example, the 8 unnumbered pages in the back of this book are mostly promotional material plus an excerpt. Since it's a mass market paperback published in the mid-1980s, it's unlikely that the number of pages will differ from copy to copy, but we have come across very minor differences which were our only clue that we were dealing with two different versions of the book (US/Canada, a cheap reprint, etc.) Experience suggests that it's safer to err on the side of caution :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:09, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent)(after edit conflict - and pulling that separately so the actual request to the PVs edit is more visible) Publisher changes and page number changes are significant changes (unless you are working on a pre-agreed thing like the Tor Fantasy thing where you actually discussed with the PVs early on.). Sometimes it may mean that there are two different books out there that we had not managed to split yet. Sometimes it can lead to a discussion on how to record the publisher in that specific case - there is a thin line sometimes between publisher, pub series inside of a publisher and a publishing line). In all cases not talking to the PVs when there are active ones on the list and when you had not cleared with them the type of changes you are making is considered in bad taste. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:12, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Hmmm. I've made identical (parallel) edits to a fair number of books in the past without issue whiling PVing in the past. There's a trade off on bothering to record additional information vs the effort in doing so. I've done about 10,000 PVs in the last year or so, and have another 5,000 to go. I don't want to annoy folk, but the latency in getting approval tends to be somewhat off-putting. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:38, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Moderators will skip over some of your edits (thus adding a long delay on them) because they are not cleared with the PVs. If you pre-clear with the PVs and mention it in the notes, the approvals will be a lot smoother. It is a community project and the point of the PV program is that someone checked a physical book for the parts of the record that are coming from it. That means that any change in the data they verified kinda invalidates their verification unless they recheck. We cannot do anything for the non-active verifiers. A moderator usually do not have the same book to be able to judge if you are correct or the existing record is correct. So we try to get the active PVs to check.<br />
:: What is the point of a Primary Verification if tomorrow another editor can come and change the Publisher name and the page numbers or any other data coming directly from the book the PV verified? Should we just allow anyone to just change the data without even an attempt for a second person to look at the book? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:47, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Then what is the changed primary verifications notification for? I check every one I receive, mostly as feedback to what I might do better, but also to see if there is a clash with my copy of the book. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:59, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Relatively minor changes - notes, external IDs, formatting, adding a cover based on secondary sources, adding other data from secondary sources - things like that. And even for some of them, some editors will notify (especially for covers). It is a relatively new feature - the traditional way is to notify, preferably gaining support before the edit is done for big changes. Plus post approval, the old data is lost -- unless it was originally added in the last few years (so can be derived from a previous edit that is in the history), the old data is gone as soon as a moderator presses approve. Which means that if we need to revert back, we need to pull from the archived versions of the site which can be a pain.<br />
:: And just to put this into perspective a bit. If a different editor looks at this book tomorrow, verifies it and decides that the Publisher should be "Baen", should that be approved just because they are the latest PV? Then you get a notification, decide to change it back and... what next? An editing war? We are doing all we can to never end up in that situation. <br />
:: If you are now working on the Baen books, write up your thinking for the change as you did for Tor Fantasy changes, post in CS and ping the active PVs for the different books and point them there. Once we have agreement, just point to it in the notes - and we can approve bsed on that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: My thinking was that if I saw a change in the notifications that I didn't agree with, I'd start a discussion at that point. But I've gone in and fixed html typos without such. And I understand the concept of institutional inertia. Not having a deterministic rollback mechanism seems foreign to me, as a software developer, everything is under source control. Any reason why the edit history entries don't contain before and after values? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:23, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Typos do not require a notification on one's page - just add in the moderator notes that you are fixing typos so people know when they look at the edit post-approval and that's it. That's what the PV changes list is for. Noone will ask you to go talk to people about it. So do you propose that we allow any editor to change the data on any book any way they want and then wait for the PVs to complain after the fact?<br />
:::: The history records were never built to be a history - they are just the approved submissions for this ID. As such when the system was built, it was not considered important to keep the old state after approval - it is there during approval and there was no way to search through old submissions unless you page manually through the pages of the Recent Edits or go to the DB directly. So having "old state" was... not really needed much.<br />
:::: Then we linked the Histories on each type of a record a few years back by just listing the old submissions we know of on this ID into a list (and the changed PV books was born the same way). You will notice that the Histories miss the very old edits and they do not list changes that influenced/changed the record but were not on the record itself - so if you change a title via PubEdit, it is in the history of the Publication but not of the history of the Title itself. Now "old state" will be very useful to keep but it was not built that way. Starting to save "old state" is in the development plans somewhere but it is not trivial and there are a lot of things in the plans. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:49, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: By the way, I'm pretty sure we've already had a discussion about the various versions of the Baen publisher. I just can't find it anywhere. This gist of it was I wanted to know which one to use, when, and folks gave their input. I believe that Annie thought that the various versions were unneeded, but didn't go so far as to suggest merging them. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:32, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I would not be surprised if that had been discussed. Baen's splitting in the DB is such a mess that we either need to figure out how to split them properly or drop the pretense that we are splitting it. However - a decision for getting them merged was not taken, neither we have a workable plan to fix the whole thing I believe. It is probably on an archived page in CS or Help Desk - will look for it later. But I don't recall a decision that indeed the books are updated based on specific text somewhere (aka - what credit makes it into that publisher). Neither would any moderator be expected to remember - if there is agreement, the editor should mention so in the moderator notes technically. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Baen_vs_Baen_Books_publishers The Baen discussion]. It was for Baen vs Baen Books. You are sending books out from one of these into a third player here, splintering the publisher even more. (which may or may not be fine but is essentially one editor's decision on how to record). And none of the PVs had been called in to chime in in that Help discussion or any plan had been voiced on how we differenciate. The discussion led no decision so the usual rules apply - PVs are to be consulted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:48, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: If I had to reverse engineer the rules...<br />
:: Unless the title page has some version of "Baen|Books" in a squashed hexagon logo, use <b>Baen</b><br />
:: Two versions use the hexagon, one with "Baen|Books", and one with "Baen|Science Fiction|Books". The <b>Science Fiction</b> is a smaller font and kind of jammed between the <b>Baen</b> and <b>Books</b>. Both publishers were in use before I got involved. <br />
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:: When I asked about this earlier, I hadn't run across the SF version yet. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:05, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I am not arguing about what the publisher should be on this book - from what I saw above, one of the PVs agreed with you. We will give everyone a bit of time to see if someone else will voice an opinion. Neither we are really discussing the mess that is Baen/Baen Books. <br />
::: What we were discussing is why PVs need to be consulted and why we cannot just approve and let them disagree if they want later. There was no question on your data or update - the request to you was to discuss with the rest of the people that have the book and can check and offer an opinion/agreement as per ISFDB's established policy. The first editor/PV of a book has some leeway on how to interpret data, especially when they are working with a newish publisher for the DB (not anymore but this is an old record so it was). The second one by necessity need to find agreement. Collaborative projects need to work based on agreements and not based on "last editor in the door makes up the rules and everyone else must react after their updates". That's the crux of the issue here. Yes, it slows things down. But otherwise it is not fair to the people before that. <br />
::: I'd propose for you to start a new thread on the Help page to try to hash out the Baen situation if you are interested in actually helping solve it and untangle it -- invite the active PVs with books and let's see if we can clear the tangle of them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:32, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent)I pulled out my copy of the book and read all this. The page number edit is correct. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Page help text] allows both, but the square bracket notation is preferred. As for the publisher, front cover and copyright page have "Baen Books", spine and titlepage have "Baen Science Fiction Books". i.m.o. Baen, Baen Books and Baen Science Fiction Books should all be merged into Baen Books, so I have no problem with this change.<br />
There's one other thing, my copy has no Canadian price mentioned, I think the Canada note is a leftover from the time we had no separate records for Canadian editions and should be removed. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:59, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(Post moved to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Help:Screen:NewPub_Publisher])<br />
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== Dafydd ab Hugh's "Heroing (excerpt)" triplication ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Idly clicking through the birthday authors on the home page, I notice there are 3 separate entries for "Heroing (excerpt)" in various Baen pubs from other authors. All have verifiers, but you're the only one who seems to be currently active at the moment. Are you able to check if these are all the same content, and thus should be merged? The pubs in question are:<br />
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* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36658 The Burning Realm - Michael Reeves]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38525 The Dog and the Wolf - Karen & Poul Anderson]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?651616 Angels in Hell - ed. Janet Morris] - you haven't PVed this one, but I imagine if the above two are the same, then this one will be as well.<br />
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I'm sure these all will be the same, but it seems best to check first before merging them. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 07:47, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I actually have all three, but haven't gotten to the last one yet. I've checked, and appear identical. All 3 pages long, beginning and end of each page the same. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:55, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5128037 merge submitted] [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:46, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cryoburn notes changes ==<br />
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CD-ROM info added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?330962 Cryoburn] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:21, 14 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Acacia ==<br />
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Changes to record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259276 Acacia]: Changed date to exact date. Updated the page count. Added notes. Added regular title for the included map. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5156074 Pending submission here] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:30, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Knight of the Red Beard ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293780 The Knight of the Red Beard]. From personal copy. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:03, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Unicorn & Dragon ==<br />
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I added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52800 Unicorn & Dragon] prior to doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:10, 6 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Chantry Guild ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36981 The Chantry Guild] before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:03, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Way of the Pilgrim ==<br />
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Added notes and LCCN to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54009 Way of the Pilgrim] prior to doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Final Encyclopedia ==<br />
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Added notes, fixed page count to include unnumbered pages, added new regular title for the map to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39770 The Final Encyclopedia] based on owned copy. Will PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:38, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part Two ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201601 The Belgariad: Part Two], I discovered a missing map on unnumbered page [2]. Any problem if I add it, adjust the page numbers, and add notes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:03, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part One ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256970 The Belgariad: Part One], I discovered a missing frontispiece map. Any problem if I add it and add a note about the gutter code in my copy? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:20, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with both. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:38, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Krondor: The Betrayal ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19718 Krondor: The Betrayal], I noticed that the "Author's Afterword" on page 374 is missing. Any problem with my adding it? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:01, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:49, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Kingdom Besieged ==<br />
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Added notes and endpaper map title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340570 A Kingdom Besieged] before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:59, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Instrument of Fate ==<br />
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Could you please double check the Canadian price on {{P|18319|Instrument of Fate}}? I believe it should be C$7.99 vs. C$9.99. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:12, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: You're right. C$7.99 --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:53, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Fall of Moondust ==<br />
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On verifying my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253572 this pub], I noticed a statement on the backcover saying "Cover photograph by L. Krause Printed in USA". I would like to add the credit and change the note. Can you check your copy? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:42, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has it as well. Fine by me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:14, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! and done. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:59, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Bishop's Heir ==<br />
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There are three missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36002 The Bishop's Heir]. Would you mind if I add them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:11, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:18, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King Kelson's Bride and Saint Camber ==<br />
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There are two missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19475 King Kelson's Bride]. There are five missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256269 Saint Camber]. Would you mind if I add them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:48, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Harrowing of Gwynedd ==<br />
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Would you mind if I add the missing Appendix titles to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41302 The Harrowing of Gwynedd]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:26, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with this, or other similar requests. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:46, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Do you still want me to post similar requests? There are likely to be a bunch more. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:37, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Not needed. My tradeoffs for doing PVs considered this type of material part of the main work, rather than needing separate entry. But mostly because I've been grinding through my ~15,000 books, and I wanted to finish some day.<br />
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:::I check 'My Changed Primary Verifications' regularly and in the unlikely case that I disagree strongly I'll bring up an issue then. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:22, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Forge of God / multiple covers ==<br />
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I invite your comment on [[User_talk:Fjh#One_printing.2C_multiple_covers|this discussion]]. Thank you. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 12:28, 7 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Revenants ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|46134|The Revenants}}: If the cover artist credit is "Kinuku Craft", then that is how the cover art should be entered. Can you please confirm and either update or I can if you wish? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Seed ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5191804 this submission] on hold. Please check with Kraang and Willem H. The prior notes have "Stated 1st printing of 1968 Ballantine ed." If that is correct (as opposed to being a reference to the "First Edition: January 1968") and yours does not, then you have a reprint. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:41, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:This edit can be approved. The statement in the notes is incorrect, and should be "First Edition: January 1968". Glenn, thanks for spotting this. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:40, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved, thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:24, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Madness in Solidar ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557105 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:21, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Asimov / Fantastic Voyage II: Destination Brain==<br />
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I am editing and PVing {{P|459023|Fantastic Voyage II: Destination Brain}} and will add notes and cover. No changes or deletions to anything you have entered. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:33, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Runelords ==<br />
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Would you mind checking your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46404 this] to see if the title page shows "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men" instead of just "The Runelords". If it does, please change the title to "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men". Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:51, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry to nag, but all of the other pubs have "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men" as their title. I see you changed the title to just "The Sum of All Men" likely thinking that "The Runelords: is a series name and shouldn't be included. Been there; tried that. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#The_Runelords this thread] on my Talk page, you can see how I ended up making the change to "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men". Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:01, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The discussion there doesn't really seem to explain why the rules shouldn't be followed. Perhaps in all the Deleted sections. But there is some value to consistently not following rules. I'll submit an edit, rather than dive down the rabbit hole. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:10, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadowkeep ==<br />
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Added the cover artist to the Alan Dean Foster [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29953 publication] and updated Note to indicate source (German edition). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:50, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Written in Time ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327535 Written in Time], do you mind if I add the title for the "Afterword" on pages 643-644 before I add notes and PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:29, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:41, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Updating Amazon images ==<br />
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Per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Amazon-hosted_cover_scans this] Community Portal discussion: I've updated the images for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?198953 The Last Starfighter], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44491 The Naked God: Flight] (poor image, can you do better?), [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259547 Children of the Serpent Gate]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:06, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I don't see updates for the images for these books. Are the edits still pending? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:31, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The first was accepted about 7 minutes after you posted your message. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:06, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Odd, I couldn't see them for few days, even with forcing reloads. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:07, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I've uploaded images for 1 and 3 (full bantam logo). No joy on #2. I have a damaged cover, and this type of metallic ink is just impossible to scan well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:04, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I got my light box out and tried a natural light photo. Not perfect, but better. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:44, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== "The Weapon Shop" vs. "The Weapons Shop" by A. E. van Vogt ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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You are listed as the most recent Primary Verifier for the 1946 edition of Healy & McComas's "Adventures in Time and Space", a great anthology, and one that helped introduce me to a lot of great SF from that era. (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825)<br />
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As far as I can tell, the 1946 edition had the first reprint of "The Weapon Shop" by A. E. van Vogt (originally in Astounding, December 1942, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57432).<br />
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ISFDB notes that the 1946 edition had the story as "The Weapons Shop", a variant on the original published title. <br />
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I am curious about whether anything is known about this change in title, and would also like to confirm that the 1946 Healy & McComas is the first place the new title showed up.<br />
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I have done a bit of searching online on this question, but I have not yet found a definitive answer on which title van Vogt preferred. Both titles have been used throughout it's extensive reprint history.<br />
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I checked, and I have the 1957 edition. That definitely shows the new title, "The Weapons Shop".<br />
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I would appreciate it if you could check your 1946 copy and tell me what title for this showed up in the 1946 TOC, on the story in the body of the book, and also in the copyrights/acknowledgements and anywhere else.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:51, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: "The Weapons Shop" is used in acknowledgements, TOC, and story title page in my 1946 copy. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:38, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for that information. So far as I can tell, this was the first appearance of that version of the title.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:07, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Robots and Empire - Amazon Image==<br />
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I have replaced the unstable Amazon image for {{P|28372|Robots and Empire}} with a scan of my copy. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:03, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Godmakers ==<br />
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I added month to this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?225397, based on note in this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40719. I also added month to this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41184, based on note in this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41185. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:47, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Irons in the Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303530 Irons in the Fire]: Would you mind if I add the titles for the maps on page 10-11 and the essay on page 617 before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:24, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:28, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King Maker ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
I'm replacing the Amazon image for Broaddus' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?324973 King Maker]''. The [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KwgbKqyeL.jpg Amazon image] had the Braunbeck blurb on the left side of the cover. Please let me know if your copy disagrees and I can put it back and split the publications. I realize that I've only got a transient verification, but I'm going through the boxes of books to be donated or sold and this was one that I still had. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:16, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Your image matches my cover. I've also uploaded my scan which seems to match the color values of my copy better, mostly so you can check and see if it's a scan issue, or there is that much variability in print quality. I've already reverted to your image, but I'm curious what you think. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:27, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: And now that's actually they're on the isfdb site, they look less different than I thought earlier. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:31, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::It doesn't really matter to me which scan we use, but I've gone ahead and deleted the two older ones. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Jade Warrior ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5214311 this submission] which I'm holding. While it matches the cover, since you have primary verified it and are active, please validate that it is correct. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:57, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The price is correct, although I would have preferred the note addition to be added to the html list. Price is also on the spine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:23, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::I approved the edit and fixed the formatting. The note isn't really required. I will leave it to you if you want to remove or add info about spine. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:55, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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Whenever I enter info for someone else's record that's missing the price I add a note about where it is because certain moderators used to whine whenever I'd add something and not say exactly where it was in the book. Whenever I enter a new record for a book I don't usually specify. I used to mimic that bullet point style until I realized it's just a waste of space and just enter notes now without the dots. Also, I'm curious why the price for this book wasn't entered in the first place; usually this happens because it's too small/scratchy and can't be read until I manage to decipher it, but in this case it's big and clear. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:There is a difference when working from the book itself and when working from secondary sources, pictures, scans, etc. For the latter, you need to specify the source. In this particular case, the data is from the book, but you don't have the book. You could have put the information in the moderator note instead of the pub note. That would have let the approving moderator & the verifier know why you were editing a verified record. As for the formatting, it makes a much cleaner and easier to read record when all the notes use the same format. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:35, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't notice the price was missing when I added the cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:02, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Beyond Eden ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4309<br />
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Would this be enough to edit the publication date to the more precise: 1955-04-21?<br><br />
Review copy note found inside pb edition: [https://upload.vaa.red/23krPp#5491ba8dce3f0645cd8b91913d61495e]<br><br />
It mentions both the pb and the hc edition. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 07:17, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Seem fine, as long as the source is noted. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:05, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Pharaoh Contract ==<br />
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Would you mind looking at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39118 The Pharaoh Contract] and verifying that you also have the number line: 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and the Canadian price C$5.50? I want to add those notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:18, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I have "RAD 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1". C$ ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:01, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Hidden Queen & Changer of Days ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?67971 The Hidden Queen], I'd like to make the following changes before doing a PV:<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+389<br />
<br>Add title for the map on page [8]<br />
<br>Add title for the Glossary on page 379<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?69820 Changer of Days], I'd like to make the following changes before doing a PV:<br />
<br>Add title for the map on page [vi]<br />
<br>Add title for the Glossary on page 326<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:49, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:00, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fane ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278887 Fane], would you object if I added the following before I PV?<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+311<br />
<br>Add "First Timescape Books printing August, 1981" and the printer's key<br />
<br>Add essay title "Racial/Political Groupings on the Planet Fane" for page [7]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:04, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Go ahead. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:58, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Split Infinity and Out of Phaze ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?203137 Split Infinity]: Do you mind if I change the page count to [8]+356 and add the missing maps title before I PV? <br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25321 Out of Phaze]: Do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+309 before I add notes and PV?<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:08, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:39, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Hobbit, or There and Back Again ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, <br />
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Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?881523 this one]. Either you have a later printing (so you cannot use the 0997 from the dustjacket for the date) or it cannot have the ISBN13 printed and we need the ISBN10 instead - this is about a decade too early for ISBN13. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:31, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Missed that during the clone. I've submitted an edit with that change, and the cover image I wrangled together. The cover image I did a few days ago, but my normal process got muddled waiting for input. Metallic foil is such a joy do deal with, much less stitching multiple scans together for the complete image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:46, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Approved. And yeah - metallic foil looks nice... until you try to scan it. Thanks for fixing it! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:03, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora's Legions ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25580 Pandora's Legions], do you mind if I add the notes "First printing: February 2002" and "Cover art by Patrick Turner"? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:22, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. I'd also add 'no number line' as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:32, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Twilight's Kingdoms ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52579 Twilight's Kingdoms], do you mind if I:<br />
<br>Add maps title.<br />
<br>Add "First printing, November 1987" and no number line comment.<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+376<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:48, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with this type of edit. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== A Cold Wind from Orion ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371 A Cold Wind from Orion], do you mind if I add notes "First Edition: September 1980", No printer's key., and "Cover art by Atila Hega"? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:41, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Go ahead. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cabal ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|5865|The Cabal}} https://comicvine.gamespot.com/666-mark-of-the-beast-17/4000-248267/ is an example [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 22:30, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Project: Maldon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26805 Project: Maldon], is it OK for me to add the following notes before I PV?<br />
<br>"First printing, June 1997"<br />
<br>No printer's key.<br />
<br>"Cover art by Garry Ruddell" on the copyright page.<br />
<br>C$7.99 in Canada.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:31, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Radix ==<br />
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As there are no notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27260 Radix], I would like to add the following ones before I PV:<br />
<br>"Bantam Spectra edition / October 1985"<br />
<br>First printing per printer's key: O 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1<br />
<br>Cover artist credited in the "Acknowlegements" and per "Cover copyright © 1985 by Fred Marcellino" on the copyright page.<br />
<br>Map artist credited in the "Acknowlegements".<br />
<br>C$4.50 in Canada.<br />
<br><br />
<br>In addition:<br />
<br>Change page count to [12]+466<br />
<br>Add map title on page [12]<br />
<br>Add title "Appendix (Radix)" on page 449<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: In general, I have no problem with adding information. Clashes we can work out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:28, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Skull Gate ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30717 Skull Gate], do you mind if I add the map on page 7 and some notes before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:25, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Canby's Legion ==<br />
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Based on the title page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6039 Canby's Legion], I think the publisher should be "Aspect / Warner Books" not just "Warner Books" since Aspect is on the title page as well as Warner Books. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I agree. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Devil and Deep Space Re: Wrong cover artist created ==<br />
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Hi. I have a sub on hold that shows the wrong artist is created on the copyright page. See mod note[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5231688]. If you follow the link to Matt Stawicki web page the image is signed below the knee. The cover image we have it is cut off above that point so it doesn't show. If there's no objection I'll change the credit with a note or you can. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine either way. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:28, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Cover artist update complete.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 17:08, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Tomorrow and Tomorrow ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279225; I added month from Archive.org copy of 1965 edition's copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Yaril’s Children ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55659 Yaril’s Children], I want to make the following changes before I PV:<br />
<br>Change page count to [10]+277<br />
<br>Add map title on page [10].<br />
<br>Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:16, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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Sure. When adding the meta [10], I'd make sure that it sequences (using the | syntax) before the story start. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:13, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / Small Favor==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254432 Small Favor]. I will add pub notes and the Author's Note to the Contents. No changes to the existing information. I will add the Author's Note (where applicable) to all succeeding 1st ed hc's of the Dresden Files series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 11:50, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shroud of Shadow ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|3037|Shroud of Shadow}} by Gael Baudino [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:54, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Children of Anthi and The Omcri Matrix ==<br />
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Would you please look at the changes I'm proposing with these submissions for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242631 The Children of Anthi] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242633 The Omcri Matrix]. In particular, please see if your copy shows a "Stated 1st printing" line on the copyright page of each one. My copies do not. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:33, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
Ping [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:05, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I'd say "Printing not stated, no number line, assumed first printing" for each, and change their publishers to "Ace Science Fiction Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:48, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / Brief Cases==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?661863 Brief Cases]. Will add Canadian price. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:48, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Link to: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction==<br />
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Incidentally, while I'm here, you might be interested in this topic: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Series_Number_of_Dresden_Files_short_fiction Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:48, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Girl from the Emeraline Island ==<br />
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Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40611 The Girl from the Emeraline Island] show "First Edition: May 1984" and no number line on the copyright page? I want to replace the "1st printing" note with those notes, plus add the map title on page [9] and change the page count to [10]+274 before I PV. Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I agree. I've taken to using something like: "Printing not stated, no number line, assumed first printing". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:03, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Boyer book changes ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217289 The Sword and the Satchel], if it's OK with you I'd like to replace "1st printing" with "First Edition: May 1980" and "No printer's key or printing statement so first printing assumed". I'd also like to change the page count to [6]+312.<br />
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: Sure. While checking, I decided to refresh the cover image with a better scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:24, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217293 The Thrall and the Dragon's Heart], if it's OK with you I'd like to replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: September 1982" and "No printer's key or printing statement so first printing assumed". I'd also like to change the page count to [8]+294.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:31, 28 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:24, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Sword of Chaos ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34054 Sword of Chaos] and see if the title page actually reads "Sword of Chaos and Other Stories"? My first edition/first printing has that. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:51, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Subtitle present. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Patricia Bray changes ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?144371 Devlin's Honor] would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+390+[18] and add the map title on page [7]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?65483 Devlin's Justice] would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+388 and add the map title on page [9]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?144361 The First Betrayal] would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+342+[18] and add the map title on page [7]?<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:21, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:34, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Marie Brennan titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82324 Doppelganger], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+422 and add the map on page [9]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88073 Warrior and Witch], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+448 and add the map on page [7]?<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: That's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Brokedown Palace ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5548 Brokedown Palace], do you mind if I add "Ace Fantasy edition/January 1986" and "No printer's key" notes to this pub before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:08, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. I'd also change the publisher to "Ace Fantasy Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:43, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Serpent and the Rose ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?222521 The Serpent and the Rose], would you mind if I add the map on [6] and change the page count to [6]+296? I'll also need to change the cover artist to just Donato then variant. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:52, 6 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. I'd also change the publisher to 'Tor Fantasy'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:08, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Empire Stone ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39155 The Empire Stone], would you mind if I add the map on page [8] and change the page count to [10]+413? I'll also replace the Amazon cover and add notes. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:01, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:07, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Master of Hawks ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21619 Master of Hawks], do you mind if I add "First printing—July 1979" and "No printer's key" notes? 08:53, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:21, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Furies of Calderon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70031 Furies of Calderon] do you mind if I change the page count to 594 and add the excerpt title on page 592? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:02, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has 504 pages, and no excerpt. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:23, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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::I mistyped. Mine has 504 with the "Academ's Fury" excerpt on pages 503-504. What's on your pages 503-504? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:32, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Somehow the excerptness was invisible. Mine matches your suggestion (with the page # change). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:47, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Figures of Earth ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13511 Figures of Earth] and see if the title of the essay on page xxv is actually "A Foreword"? Does page xxiii show "A Foreword" with a Latin quote and a dedication to Sinclair Lewis instead of the title "A Preface" as shown in the current pub record? That's how my copy reads. I believe the same title problem likely exists in the unPVed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436624 Canadian pub] that shares the same catalog ID. I propose to edit the "Preface" title record used only by those two pubs and then merge it with the correct title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?738153 sic]. <br />
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: My copy has "A Forward" with the Latin quote. <br />
::Page xxiii has "A Foreword" over "<i>Amoto quaeramus seria ludo</i>" over "To" over "Sinclair Lewis". Page xxv has simply "A Foreward" and that's what I would replace. Sorry for the confusion and my typing. Rtrace matches this and suggests that I do an advanced search merge rather than change the title record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:44, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:49, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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I also want to add notes "First U.S. Printing: November, 1969", "No printer's key.", and "Ballentine Books edition printed from the <i>Storisende Edition</i>". Then I'll PV. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:14, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Printing change fine. Ballentine should be Ballantine. <br />
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: PV ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:32, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10569 Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon] do you mind if I replace "Stated first printing" with "First Printing: March, 1972" and "No printer's key"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:27, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:33, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Zoboa ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262859 Zoboa], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+430 and add the title for the unsigned maps on pages [6]-[8] before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:42, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Ok. I'd consider changing the publisher to "Baen Science Fiction Books" per the title page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:34, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Exit Earth ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12793 Exit Earth], would you mind if I replace the note "First printing" with notes "First printing, April 1987" and "No printer's key" before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Printing change ok. Publisher -> "Baen Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:39, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Saturnalia ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28940 Saturnalia], would you mind if I replaced "Stated 1st printing." with "First printing, January 1986" and "No printer's key."? I'll also replace the flagged Amazon image with a scanned one. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:33, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 04:38, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Trudi Canavan titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43631 The Magicians' Guild], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+370 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The Magicians’ Guild)" on pg 366, and "Glossary (The Magicians’ Guild)" on pg 368?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44760 The Novice], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+465 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The Novice)" on pg 461, and "Glossary (The Novice)" on pg 463?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41508 The High Lord], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+531 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The High Lord)" on pg 527, and "Glossary (The High Lord)" on pg 529?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80892 Priestess of the White], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+598 and add titles for the map on [8], "Glossary (Priestess of the White)" on pg 590, and "Last of the Wilds (excerpt)" on pg 593?<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:54, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. Note that I've submitted edits for cover updates for all of these. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 05:02, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Dark Lord of Pengersick ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37932 The Dark Lord of Pengersick], do you mind if I change the page count to [4]+169, add the map title on page [2], add the title "Glossary of People, Places, and Things (The Dark Lord of Pengersick) on page 169, and change the publisher to Ace Fantasy Books? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:29, 12 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: That's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:00, 12 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Down to a Sunless Sea ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10771 Down to a Sunless Sea], would you mind if I add the title "Author's Note (Down to a Sunless Sea)" on page 173? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:50, 13 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:25, 14 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Exiles at the Well of Souls ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146081 Exiles at the Well of Souls], do you mind if I change the page count to xii+337, add title "About Time ..." on pg [xii], and import missing titles:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232675 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg ix<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232676 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg x<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232677 Appendix: Races Referred to in Exiles at the Well of Souls] on pg 331<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?787725 About the Author (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg 337<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 15 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest for the Well of Souls ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146101 Quest for the Well of Souls], would you mind if I change the page count to xii+302+[1], add title "About the Author (Quest for the Well of Souls) on page [303], and import the following missing titles?<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232679 The Wars of the Well, Part II (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg ix<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776798 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg x<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776797 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg xii<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776795 Appendix I: Races of the Southern Hemisphere (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg 293<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776796 Appendix II: Races of the Northern Hemisphere (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg 300<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:13, 15 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Return of Nathan Brazil ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220113 The Return of Nathan Brazil], do you mind if I change the page count to ix+289+[2], add title "About the Author (The Return of Nathan Brazil)" on page [291], and add missing title:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776800 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (The Return of Nathan Brazil)] on page viii<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:45, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:48, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Twilight at the Well of Souls ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?237673 Twilight at the Well of Souls: The Legacy of Nathan Brazil], do you mind if I change the page count to x+304+[1] and import missing title:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776800 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (The Return of Nathan Brazil)] on page viii<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:54, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:49, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Chalker: Four Lords of the Diamond ==<br />
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In the Four Lords of the Diamond series, I would like to make the following changes:<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278886 Lilith: A Snake in the Grass], change the page count to vi+248 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [vi].<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283363 Cerberus: A Wolf in the Fold], change the page count to [8]+243 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [viii].<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?140701 Charon: A Dragon at the Gate], change the page count to [8]+289 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [viii].<br />
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<br>Would that be OK? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:33, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== War of the Maelstrom ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53739 War of the Maelstrom], do you mind if I change the page count to viii+360 and add title "Prefatory Note (War of the Maelstrom)" on page vii? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:50, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:11, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kelly Country ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19364 Kelly Country], do you mind if I add title "Afterword to U.S. Edition" on page 347 and change "1st printing" to "First printing per printer's key: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9" plus add "First DAW Printing, August 1985"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:19, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Red Moon and Black Mountain ==<br />
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Would you look at this multi-part change proposal [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Red_Moon_and_Black_Mountain here] on Rtrace's talk page and see if you have any objections? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:36, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm ok with the final results. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Blue Hawk ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231189 The Blue Hawk], would you mind if I replace the inaccurate note "Stated 1st printing" with notes "First Ballantine Books Edition: August 1977" and "No printer's key or printing statement."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:27, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Prison Planet ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26715 Prison Planet], would you mind if I change "Stated 1st printing, full number line" to two notes: "Ace edition/March 1989" and "First printing by full number line."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:08, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:10, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Six of Swords ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30647 Six of Swords], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+276 and import the map title on page [7]? I'll also add a scanned cover and a couple of other notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:21, 25 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:13, 25 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Keepers of Edanvant ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19343 Keepers of Edanvant], I'd like to make the following changes before PVing:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [6]+346<br />
<br>2. Change the title for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1389038 map] from "Keepers of Edanvant (frontispiece)" to "Keepers of Edanvant (map)". It's definitely not a frontispiece.<br />
<br>3. Change the map page from bp to [6]<br />
<br>4. Add note "Both the title page and the cover show "Sword & Circlet 1" but this is the third book in the Sword & Circlet series."<br />
<br>5. Add notes for the cover artist and map artist.<br />
<br>Thanks!! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:39, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br><br />
<br>I know I've been sending you a lot and I really appreciate your quick response but did you see this post and the next two as well? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 19:02, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok with changes. I'll add a better cover scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:14, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Semper Mars ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29576 Semper Mars], would you mind if I changed the page count to [6]+376 and add the uncredited map on page [6]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:52, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:23, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Warlord of Ghandor ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53851 Warlord of Ghandor], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add a title for the frontispiece art on pg [2]<br />
<br>2. Change "First Printing" to "FIRST PRINTING, AUGUST 1977" and "First printing per printer's key: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9"<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:25, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. Just uploaded a new cover scan that's a bit better. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:28, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Spellkey Trilogy ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194797 The Spellkey Trilogy], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+630 and add title "Author's Note (The Spellkey Trilogy)" on page [5]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:45, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:23, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Paula E. Downing titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28221 Rinn's Star], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st edition." with "First Edition: December 1990" and "No printer's key or printing statement."<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13906 Flare Star], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: April 1992" and "No printer's key or printing statement.", change the page count to [6]+249, and add the map on page [5]?<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:35, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok for both. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:24, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vettius and His Friends ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53294 Vettius and His Friends], would you mind if I change the page count to 304+[8] and add missing title "Men Hunting Things (excerpt)" on page [309] before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:39, 28 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: No problem in general, but note that that excerpt has been labeled [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2903233 It's a Lot Like War (Men Hunting Things excerpt)] in other Baen publications. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:18, 29 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Oh, and I've submitted an edit that improves the cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:19, 29 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year of the Ransom in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80820 Time Patrol] ==<br />
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Hi! Depending on the outcome of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Poul_Anderson.27s_The_Year_of_the_Ransom this thread] it seems that this fiction text is really a novella. So, don't be surprised that the OMNIBUS may have to be turned into a COLLECTION. Though I guess that ought to be done anyway? (Typically an OMNIBUS should have at least two booklength content titles, as was communicated quite recently). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:35, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dave Duncan titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21088 Magic Casement], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+307 and add title "Magic Casement (maps)" by uncredited on page [11]? <br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12999 Faery Lands Forlorn], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+335 and add title "Faery Lands Forlorn (maps)" by uncredited on page [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29786 Shadow], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: November 1987" and "No printer's key or printing statement"<br />
<br>2. Change the page count to [10]+276<br />
<br>3. Add title "Shadow (map)" on page [9]<br />
<br>4. Add title "Glossary (Shadow)" on page 273<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:19, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: All ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:46, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Queen of Sorcery ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228825 Queen of Sorcery], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+327 and import the missing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1396496 map title] on page [6]? I'll also add a scanned cover and several notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:45, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:20, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Warslayer ==<br />
<br />
I propose making multiple changes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49663 The Warslayer]: <br />
<br>1. Title<br />
<br>. 1a. Change the pub title to "The Warslayer: The Incredibly True Adventures of Vixen the Slayer, The Beginning" to match the the title page and the WorldCat entries. The existing short form doesn't comply with the instructions in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles this help].<br />
<br>. 1b. Remove the note starting with "Subtitled".<br />
<br>. 1c. Unmerge the 'long' pub title from the existing title then make the existing title a variant of the 'long' title since it is the earliest pub.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>2. Change page count to 312 to match the book.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>3. Essay<br />
<br>. 3a. Remove essay title "God’s Teeth! The Making of a Cult Phenomenon" and delete the associated title record. I don't think this is an actual piece written by Greg Cox since there is no copyright for it on the copyright page and it doesn't show in his bibliography on his website.<br />
<br>. 3b. Add note "Pages 1-5 of the book are a fictional essay titled "God’s Teeth! The Making of a Cult Phenomenon" purportedly by Greg Cox."<br />
<br><br />
: I just consider it part of the book. The page says "by Greg Cox", and I don't have a good reason to not believe it.<br />
<br>4. Replace the Amazon cover with this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/4c/THWRSLYR2002.jpg scanned cover] that I already uploaded.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>5. Add notes:<br />
<br>"The title on the cover is "The Warslayer" [over] "An Incredibly True Adventure of Vixen the Slayer".<br />
<br>"Pages 288-312 are a fictional episode guide titled "VIXEN THE SLAYER: The Episode Guide (Season One)"".<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:46, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: As above. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:19, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sword of Shannara ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
<br />
I'm going to add individual interior art items for each of the illustrations for Terry Brooks' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159571 The Sword of Shannara]''. I'm going to do individual records as some of them have been reprinted and I'd like to make the variant relationships. I'll also try to find a cover scan. I'd scan mine, but there are flaws. Please let me know if you have any objections to this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My cover isn't any better. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:14, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year of the Warrior ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glen, you still need an entry in the content field of the title record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?26876 here]. In this case, 2N. Here is the relevant [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Content help] page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:45, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I think I'll add the series name given on the title pages of the individual novels in <b>The Year of the Warrior</b>. (<b>Saga of Erling Skjalgsson</b>) and mark the contents "1,2". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:10, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Eldrie the Healer ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35544 Eldrie the Healer], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+237 and add map title "Eldrie the Healer (map)" by uncredited on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:07, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Missing responses ==<br />
<br />
I suspect you missed seeing these three posts from March 26. I'd rather have your approvals/comments than go through the no response Mod Board procedure.<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Keepers_of_Edanvant Keepers of Edanvant]<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Semper_Mars Semper Mars]<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Warlord_of_Ghandor Warlord of Ghandor]<br />
<br />
[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:54, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: You're right, I missed them. Answered at original entries. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:29, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:16, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of the Sword ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35357 The Art of the Sword], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>Change the page count to [10]+262<br />
<br>Add essay title "Cast of Characters (The Art of the Sword)" on page [6]<br />
<br>Add map "The Art of the Sword (map) on page [8]<br />
<br>I'll also add some notes and replace the Amazon cover with a scanned cover.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:07, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mountains & Madness ==<br />
<br />
I'm confused by the inclusion of E. J. Cherhavy as a co-author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555 Mountains & Madness]. He's not referenced on the title page or the copyright page, in the [https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchArg=9780671721909&searchCode=ISBL&searchType=1 LCCN record], or the [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mountains-madness/oclc/28827888?referer=di&ht=edition WorldCat record]. The only reference I could find was in Locus1. I think his name should be removed from this pub record and a note added about the bad Locus1 reference. What so you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:03, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My guess is that the 2nd author is from Mayfair Games. No idea how Locus figured it out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:59, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And I've uploaded a better cover while checking it out. (edit submitted) --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:06, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::So should I remove it since it's not on title page and add the note? Or do we need to get a moderator opinion first? I have a couple of other notes to add as well as the LCCN and WorldCat IDs. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Perhaps a moderator is appropriate. I'd guess that it could end up with this entry as a variant of the two author one. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:18, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::I submitted this to the Help Desk [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Mountains_.26_Madness_author_problem here] for guidance. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:30, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Lost Tale ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?811 A Lost Tale], would you mind if I change the page count to x+206, and add the title for "Author's Note (A Lost Tale)" on page vii? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:38, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Seems like it should be 'ix+206' by the page rules. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:35, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::You are correct. OK otherwise? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:21, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:13, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The People of the Mist ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45199 The People of the Mist], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First printing: December, 1973" and "No printer's key"? I also have a better scanned cover ready to upload. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:38, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:46, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wizard's Ward ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71640 The Wizard's Ward], I'd like to change the pub date to 2005-07-12 as stated on Amazon.com and add a source note. There's no stated source for the existing date. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:23, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 23:27, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Darwath novels ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48627 The Time of the Dark], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+263 and add the title "The Time of the Dark (map)" by Barbieri on page [6]? <br />
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: Ok. <br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231889 The Walls of Air], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+297 and add the title "The Walls of Air (maps)" by uncredited on page [5]? I'll also add a scanned cover.<br />
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: Sure. Might also add the map on page 3.<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227885 The Armies of Daylight], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+309 and add the title "The Armies of Daylight (map) by uncredited on page [5]? I'll also add a scanned cover.<br />
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: Sure. <br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:05, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:02, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Songs of Muad'Dib ==<br />
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Glenn, any objections to me adding the contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31232 Songs of Muad'Dib]? Since my source is The Locus Index, I would appreciate you checking for any discrepancies after I finish. I would also like to remove the note regarding the cover art, then credit it to 'Frederic Marvin'. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:06, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:34, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hopefully, there aren't too many title or page number differences. I still need to add original publication notes, but that will not trigger any more 'My Changed Primary Verifications' alerts. Thanks for you help. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Both the TOC and the titles on the Poem pages 7 & 8 are labeled "A Song of the New Ireland". The titles entered in the record are actually the respective first lines of each poem. <br />
::: Page 31 is titled "Untitled". Title given is the first line.<br />
::: Page 33 is titled "Untitled Haiku", etc<br />
::: Page 34 is titled "Untitled Haiku (About Brian)" ...<br />
::: Page 43 is titled "Untitled Haiku" ...<br />
::: Page 44 is titled "Untitled Haiku" ...<br />
::: Page 61 is titled "A Song of Muad'Dib"<br />
::: Page 71 is titled "A Song of Muad'Dib"<br />
::: Page 78 is titled "Katsuk's Prayer"<br />
::: Page 109–111 is an essay titled "Bibliography/Notes".<br />
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::: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:26, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I was hoping they would just use the first lines for the untitled works. The title on page 78 will have to stay "Katsuk's Prayer [1]". When content is repeated in a publication, it requires disambiguation and a variant due to software limitations. I'll make the necessary changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Let me know if my assumption re: Katsuk's Prayer is incorrect. If it is a different poem, with the same name, I need to break the variant and make a slight change to the note. Either way, the disambiguation is necessary. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:47, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: In general, they did use a quoted version of the first line of the poems that were untitled.<br />
::: The "Katskuk's Prayer on 39 starts "Raven, Raven, keep the edge on my hate.". The one on 78 begins with "O, Life Giver". I noted 78 above just to be complete, but knew it was to disambiguate. <br />
::: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:32, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Done! Always enjoy working with you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:08, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Why the mix of square brackets and parenthesis for the disambiguation? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:41, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I don't know why they used square brackets for the two titles on pages 7 & 8. I can comment on how untitled poetry is generally handled if you are interested [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:55, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Greyfax Grimwald ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16033 Greyfax Grimwald], would you mind if I import the title "Greyfax Grimwald (maps)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1150667] for the maps that start on page 5? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:27, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:12, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat Scratch Fever ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6348 Cat Scratch Fever], would you mind if I change the page count to 376+[2] and add the Author's Note on page [377]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:47, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:10, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Silver Moons, Black Steel ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30495 Silver Moons, Black Steel], would it be OK to change the page count to 434+[6] and add titles "Author's Note" on page 430 and "Wolfwalker (excerpt)" on page [435]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:20, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:11, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Alternate Names in Interviews ==<br />
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Just a reminder, please use the canonical name in the <b>interviewee</b> field, even if the interview title uses an alternate name (there is no way to variant). The interview in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5604 Brothers in Arms] needs to be corrected. While you're there, the same alternate name [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?7231 Ben Weaver] has a title which needs to be made a variant. Ignore this if you have already handled them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:45, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Edits submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:08, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gauntlet of Malice ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40452 The Gauntlet of Malice], would you mind if I make the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to xv+336<br />
<br>2. Add title "Foreword (The Gauntlet of Malice)" on page vi which is a fictional in-world essay.<br />
<br>3. Add title "Cast of Characters (The Gauntlet of Malice)" on page xii<br />
<br>4. Add scanned cover [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8b/BKTG05558.jpg]<br />
<br>5. Import title "The Gauntlet of Malice (map)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2026242 here] on page [xiv]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:18, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:09, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Spiral of Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31744 Spiral of Fire], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+468 and add title "Spiral of Fire (map)" on page [6] and title "Cast of Characters (Spiral of Fire) on page [9]? I'll also add a scanned cover. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:06, 20 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:07, 22 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226769 Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. import "Afterword (Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1910796 1910796] on page 307<br />
<br>2. add "Selected Readings (Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died)" by uncredited on page 345<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:17, 21 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok.<br />
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== ''Seaborn'' cover artist ==<br />
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Hi. I changed "Timonthy" to "Timothy" in the cover artist credit in you verified {{P|250303|Seaborn}}. If it wasn't a typo, let me know and I'll revert it (I only noticed because I was dealing with various Lantz credits). Thanks --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: 'Timothy' is correct per copyright page and back cover. I've submitted an edit adding some copyrights to the notes. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 25 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fanuilh ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13202 Fanuilh], would you mind if change the page count to [8]+259 and add the uncredited map title on page [6]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:12, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:33, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heart of Light ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?240185 Heart of Light] and see if the excerpt on page [507] is actually for "Soul of Fire" like it is in my copy? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Yep... probably a copy-paste thinko. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:05, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heroing: or, How He Wound Down the World ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16971 Heroing: or, How He Wound Down the World], would you mind if I change the page count to 346, change the publisher to Baen Books, add a "No printer's key" note, and add the essay title "Afterward" on page [346] with a misspelling note? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:58, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'd change the page count to '345+[1]'. I'm less certain about the publisher change. The 'Baen Books' in a hexagon on the title page isn't present, which was the criteria that I used to change Baen to Baen Books. There was a discussion about how to partition somewhere on the help pages. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:04, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I can't find the Baen discussion so I'll leave it alone. I was basing my potential change on the copyright page since there was nothing on the title page. I agree about the page count but it took re-reading the how-to a couple of times to see why! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Baen_vs_Baen_Books_publishers Baen vs Baen Books publishers]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:19, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pressure Man ==<br />
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Glenn, I approved the replacement of the unstable cover image in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212385 verified] pub. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:02, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Celestial Hit List ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6473 Celestial Hit List], the spelling of the cover artist is "Vincent DiFate" on the copyright page but is "Vincent Di Fate" in the pub record. I just submitted changes to make the pub record match the copyright page value and will make the new cover title record a variant of the existing cover art title record. Let me know if this is a problem. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:57, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ian Irvine titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1113 A Shadow on the Glass], would it be OK if I:<br />
<br>Change the page count to [14]+654+[1]<br />
<br>Change the map start page to [10]<br />
<br>Add essay title "Glossary of Characters, Names and Places (A Shadow on the Glass)" on page 642<br />
<br>Add essay title "Guide to Pronunciation" on page [655]<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48763 The Tower on the Rift], would it be OK if I:<br />
<br>Add essay title "Glossary of Characters, Names and Places (The Tower on the Rift)" on page 643<br />
<br>Add essay title "Guide to Pronunciation (The Tower on the Rift)" on page [659]<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:51, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:02, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== J. V. Jones titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35497 The Baker's Boy], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+552 and import the map title on page [8]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827 A Man Betrayed], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+598 and add the map title "A Man Betrayed (map)" on page [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21607 Master and Fool], would it be OK if I make the following changes?<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+645+16<br />
<br>2. Change the start page number for "The Barbed Coil (excerpt)" to 3 and add the note "The book ends on page 645. The page numbers restart from 1 for "The Barbed Coil" excerpt."<br />
<br>3. Add title "Master and Fool (map)" by uncredited on page [8]<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 12 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Since all the maps are the same, perhaps merging them down to "The Book of Words (map)". Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:43, 13 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge? ==<br />
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Hi Glenn - can you have a look [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#To_merge_or_not_to_merge.3F here] and let us know if these are merge candidates? If not, can you add notes to the title records as why they shouldn't be merged? Thanks in advance, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: See answer at link. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:05, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts ==<br />
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Consider adding a note on all excerpts indicating what the excerpt consists of. It will help with situations like the previous post. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 19 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:18, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Idylls of the Queen ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247173 The Idylls of the Queen], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+341 and add the title "Foreword (The Idylls of the Queen)" on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 22 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:11, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unicorn Quest ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49101 The Unicorn Quest], would you mind if I add the map on page 3 and a scanned cover? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:05, 23 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:13, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Starbright ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32911; I added cover artist from recently uploaded copy on Archive.org; it's Hejja like other editor's note thought it was. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:54, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:14, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sword and the Tower ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48221 The Sword and the Tower], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+216 and add the map on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:34, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:18, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire in the Mist ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13622 Fire in the Mist], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+291, import the map title on page [5], add the title "Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms (Fire in the Mist)" on page 283, and change the publisher to Baen Fantasy? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:04, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has the map on page [6]. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:22, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::The map is indeed on page [6]. I had it right in my notes and mistyped it here. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:58, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mind of the Magic ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22244 Mind of the Magic], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+305<br />
<br>2. Change the page for the map title to [9]<br />
<br>3. Add note "The map on page [9] is uncredited and has no signature but is the same as the map credited to Ellen Kostyk in <i>Fire in the Mist</i>."<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Glossary (Mind of the Magic)" by uncredited on page 295<br />
<br><br>I'd also like to change the author for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2832900 map title] to Ellen Kostyk.<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:07, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:23, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Memory of Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44032 Memory of Fire], would you mind if I add the essay on page 350 as "Author's Endnote (Memory of Fire)" and the fictional interview on page 353 as "Interview with a Dragon"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:32, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ice & Iron ==<br />
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Added some notes to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88943 Ice & Iron].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Watchtower ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188549 Watchtower], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+226<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>2. Add interiorart title "Watchtower (map)" by uncredited on page [7]<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>3. Add interiorart title "Watchtower" by uncredited on page [9]<br />
: Seems like it should be something like "Plan of Tornor Keep (diagram)".<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Appendix: The Cards of Fortune (Watchtower)" by uncredited on page 223<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:17, 30 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Third Eagle ==<br />
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On the title page of my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48488 The Third Eagle] there is what looks like a subtitle under the drawing. Based on this, I would like to change the title to "The Third Eagle: Lessons Along a Minor String". The record for the Doubleday hardcover edition has this subtitle and this pub is stated as being the complete text of that edition. Would it be OK to make the change? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kothar ==<br />
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I replaced unstable Amazon cover of Belmont edition of Conjurer's Curse with Bookscans.com cover, and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38734, with current Amazon cover that's stable and looks better. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:41, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Earth Logic ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70029 Earth Logic], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+436 and add the map title on page [11]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:34, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:17, 10 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragonflight ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?272328 Dragonflight], would you mind if I change the page count to x+309, add Gino D'Achille as the cover artist, add note "Cover Art by Gino D'Achille" from the copyright page, and change the start page to "ix"? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:47, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Generally ok, but I'm a bit torn about changing the start page to the in-story introduction. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:34, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Good point. I just looked at it some more and think that instead of changing the start page, I should just import the Introduction [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1005856 essay title] and place it on page ix. Since the Introduction is listed in the ToC, that would likely be a better solution. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:18, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragonseye ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11288 Dragonseye], would you mind if I import the map by Shelly Shapiro on page [vi]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:35, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Masterharper of Pern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?319595 The Masterharper of Pern], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+422 and change the page for the map to [8]? I'll also remove the invalid LCCN reference and replace it with a note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:51, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:36, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== For the Witch of the Mists ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?275334; I replaced unstable Amazon image with Bookscans image; it's a bit clearer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:06, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I replaced Bookscans image with FantLab image, which shows the full wraparound cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:47, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Skies of Pern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47388 The Skies of Pern], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+456+[11]<br />
<br>2. Import title "Ninth Pass Pern (map)" on page [10]<br />
<br>3. Import title "The Physics of Pern" on page [457]<br />
<br>4. Add new title "Dragondex (The Skies of Pern)" on page [463]<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:54, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragonsblood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228365 Dragonsblood], I'd like to change the page count to xiii+452+[7]; the current Roman numeral count doesn't account for the map and the unnumbered count at the end is wrong by current standards. I'd also like to import the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1581579 map] title on page [xii] and add a couple of notes. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:04, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:13, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fool's Run ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14114 this] is Geoff Taylor (same as paperbackedition). Credited [http://www.geofftaylor-artist.com/galleries/cover-art/art/fools-run">here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:00, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Thlassa Mey series ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13993 Flight to Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+319 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53920 Warriors of Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+337 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20756 Lords of Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+294 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1587 Across the Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+247 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35993 The Birth of the Blade], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+277 and add the map on page [6]?<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:59, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:10, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Antares Dawn ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2826 Antares Dawn], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+310<br />
<br>2. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page [7] as "Foldspace Chart: Antares Cluster/Napier Sector (map)" by Shelly Shapiro along with a note about the map artist.<br />
<br>4. Remove the invalid LCCN from External and add appropriate note.<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:23, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:07, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest of the Dark Lady ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181489; I subbed Bookscans' cover for Amazon's. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:36, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gambler's Fortune ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40306 The Gambler's Fortune], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+518 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:59, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:33, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Assassin's Edge ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3226 The Assassin's Edge], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+514 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:20, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:33, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Beachhead Planet ==<br />
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You need to gain concurrance from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Kraang Kraang] for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5345522 this edit]. He will probably approve the submission as soon as he sees your note. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:36, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Iron Tower Trilogy ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37970 The Dark Tide], would you mind if I add the essay title "Journal Notes (The Dark Tide)" on page [xi] and the map title "The Dark Tide (map)" on page [xiv]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover.<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30069 Shadows of Doom], would you mind if I add the map title "Shadows of Doom (map)" on page [xiv]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover with a scanned cover.<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38003 The Darkest Day], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+302 and add the map title "The Darkest Day (map) on page [10]? Even though the ToC has a Roman numeral for the map page number, I think I should use an Arabic number since there are no printed Roman page numbers.<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:50, 21 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'd think you'd want to add the maps as a shared record. Perhaps something like "A Part of Mithgar (Iron Tower Trilogy map)". As for the Roman vs. Arabic unnumbered pages, it seems a bit obscure. What do you think of using [x] instead? I'd at least note it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:41, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Sigh. I somehow missed the title on the maps so I'll create the shared map title. As to the page number for the map, I'll use the decimal but create a note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:31, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek to Kraggen-Cor ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16363 Trek to Kraggen-Cor], would you mind if I add the essay "Journal Notes (Trek to Kraggen-Cor)" on page xi and the map "The Brega Path (map)" on page [14]? The map page number could also be rendered as [xiv] since there are no printed page numbers on the pages between xi and 17. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:29, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Seems like it should be Roman, as it's pre-story. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:28, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Riddle-Master of Hed ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827576 The Riddle-Master of Hed], would you mind if I add the essay title "People and Places (The Riddle-Master of Hed)" on page 223? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:11, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:27, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Siege of Orbitor ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188349; I added month (October); Newman mentions it on his old Tripod site. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:42, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Starship Death ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?242529; I added OL ID and replaced cover with SF-Encyclopedia.com cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:04, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Helix and the Sword ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8913 The Helix and the Sword], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add the interiorart title "The Helix and the Sword (maps)" on page xiii<br />
<br>2. Add the essay "Chronology (The Helix and the Sword)" on page xv<br />
<br>3. Add the essay "Introduction (The Helix and the Sword)" on page xxi<br />
<br>4. Add the essay title "Glossary (The Helix and the Sword)" on page 264<br />
<br>5. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>6. Add notes about the untitled fictional letter on page vii, the Chronology, and the Introduction.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:43, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:26, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Larry Niven / Ringworld ==<br />
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I am PVing and editing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28210 Ringworld]. I will add a couple of notes: 1) source of the "First Edition" statement - Currey 2) derivation of the ISBN from the SBN. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:16, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gate Thief ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon image with a scan for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435353 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:52, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Crucible of Gold (Novik) ==<br />
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I've also replaced the Amazon image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410619 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:59, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Jitterbug ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19004 Jitterbug], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+422+[1]<br />
<br>2. Add title "Western Sector: America (map)" on page [6]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Eastern Sector (map) on page [7]<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Glossary (Jitterbug)" on page 407<br />
<br>5. Add essay title "Appendix 1: Brief History of the World" on page 412<br />
<br>6. Add essay title "Appendix 2: Memo" on page 415<br />
<br>7. Add interiorart title "Appendix 3: Chain of Command (org chart)" on page 420<br />
<br>8. Add interiorart title "Caricature of Mike McQuay" by Mel White on page [423]<br />
<br>Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:18, 25 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:51, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Larry Niven / Limits ==<br />
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I am PVing and editing the US version of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?248393 Limits]. The ISFDb pub record has the story "Folk Tale" on p205, whereas in my copy of the book it is "Table Manners" both on p205 and in the TOC. The latter is a variant title of the former. Can you please check your copy and advise. If it is consistent with mine then I will make the appropriate change. I have posted this note on the talk pages of Willem H, Dirk P Broer & GlennMcG. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:50, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has "FOLK" over "TALE" on p205, and "Folk Tale" in the TOC. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:29, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::We have a conclusion so I am posting this note on all your talk pages (Willem H, Dirk P Broer and GlennMcG). It is quite bizarre: there are two versions of the first printing. Willem H and GlennMcG have the version with "Folk Tale" on p205 whereas Dirk P Broer and I have the version with "Table Manners" on p205. I will clone the existing record, alter it to show the "Table Manners" title and add a pub note explaining the difference between the two versions. Then I will edit the original record and add a corresponding pub note. This should help to prevent a future editor thinking that these are duplicate records and deleting one of them. Thank you all for your help in resolving this matter. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:42, 30 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Warrior and the Witch ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49619 The Warrior and the Witch], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [xiv]+226<br />
<br>2. Add title "Author's Note (The Warrior and the Witch)" on page [vii]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Newport (maps)" on page [x]<br />
<br>4. Add title "East of the Sea (map)" on page [xiv]<br />
<br>5. Add title "Appendix One: Chronology on page 217<br />
<br>6. Add title "Appendix Two: Wentletrap's Dynasty (genealogy table) on page 220<br />
<br>7. Add title "Appendix Three: The Holy Family" on page 221<br />
<br>8. Add title "Index of Names (The Warrior and the Witch)" on page 222<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:56, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Innocent Mage ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246949 The Innocent Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+642+[18] and import the map title "The Kingdom or Lur" on page [6]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:15, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:58, 1 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Awakened Mage ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246953 The Awakened Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+712+[12] and correct the start page numbers? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:30, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Mostly ok, but the page # corrections play into a sort of gray area for page numbering (at least for me). I'd leave the main story on page 1, it points at the 'part one', not the additional main title page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:05, 1 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Crystal Warriors ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37703; I replaced "P" cover with similar OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:40, 4 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Starfish cover ==<br />
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Things are a bit chaotic as far as my book storage goes, but I just found my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257488 Starfish], and yes, silver ink background to the title of the book. I hope that answers your question. By the way, I've been meaning to read this novel, is it any good? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:42, 4 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm afraid I haven't read it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:37, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mace of Souls ==<br />
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Hi. For {{P|43451}}, my copy has "First Avon Books Printing: 1991" (a decade after the current record). I expect this is simply a typo, but would you mind checking your copy, please?--[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 05:48, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: You're right, it's a typo. 1991 is correct. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:37, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Passport to Eternity ==<br />
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Added a note to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25682 Passport to Eternity].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:00, 18 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Surgeon ==<br />
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I've imported the cover credit for Mel Hunter for the SFBC edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?838982 Star Surgeon] from the first edition. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 21:29, 19 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Meeting of the Waters ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44014 The Meeting of the Waters], would you mind if if change the page count to [10]+593, add the Author's Note title on page [9], and add the map title on page [10]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:50, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:48, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sundering Flood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48137 The Sundering Flood], would you mind if I change the page count to xv+238 and add the uncredited map on page [xv]? The current Roman numeral page count is incorrect since the last printed page number is xiii not xii. I'll also add cover artist, map artist, and ISBN/SBN notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:05, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:55, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Lady Blade ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19819; OL ID, OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:35, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Dirge for Sabis ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482 A Dirge for Sabis], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+393 and add the map title on page [5]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:26, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:46, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark of the Moon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8901 Dark of the Moon], the cover art is currently attributed to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106181 Heffernan]. I'm virtually certain that this is actually an alternate name for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25927 David Heffernan] -- the block letter signature on Dark of the Moon closely matches the block letter signature on my copy of [Caught in Crystal]; and the cover art for Yngwie Malmsteen's album Trilogy ([https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71-bKDA3YzL._SL1395_.jpg front] [https://albumartexchange.com/covers/536219-trilogy-back back] has a signature on the front that matches Dark of the Moon even more closely, and has an explicit David Heffernan credit on the back. Assuming that this holds up, what would be the best way of handling it? I had initially submitted an edit to the cover artist entry on Dark of the Moon, but as I think about it, would it make more sense to link the two artist records? Or to leave the artist name alone and mention it in a note? Or to ...?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:21, 25 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Previous editors didn't give the source of the cover artist credit. However, the cover clearly has a Herffernan signature, so the attribution seem correct, but a note should have been added giving its source. (I can do so, if you'd like).<br />
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:: Yes, if you could, that'd be great. I'll withdraw my current edit.<br />
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: It doesn't seem unlikely that a artist credit could appear both with and without a first name. It seems better to me to link the two artist records, but you could always bring it up on the wiki help page for more authoritative guidance. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:23, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, that makes sense. I'll see what they have to say. Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:08, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== God Stalk ==<br />
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Also, I was looking at my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15616 God Stalk] and it looks like this is another [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106181 Heffernan] cover -- on the very bottom right-hand corner, when I looked with a magnifying glass and a flashlight, I could make out a partial signature that again matches the block letter Heffernan signature on Dark of the Moon et al. Again, I'm not sure of the best way to handle this -- just document in a note, or ...?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:21, 25 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy seems to have a complete 'HEFFERNAN' signature on the cover, albeit somewhat blurry. I'd credit as the single name, and note it, as per the help info for cover artist edits. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:41, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK, I'll do that. Again, thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:09, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== First Truth ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13841 First Truth], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+336 and add the map on page [5]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:52, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:54, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Web ==<br />
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Added cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32888 Star Web] and modified associated note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 29 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Species Imperative ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?68985 Survival], would you mind if I change the page count to x+483 to match the book? I'll also add the WorldCat ID and replace the Amazon cover. <br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82172 Migration], would you mind if I change the page count to x+527 to match the book? I'll also add the WorldCat ID and replace the Amazon cover. <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:16, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:56, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Starfollowers of Coramonde ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255082 The Starfollowers of Coramonde], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [6]+361<br />
<br>2. Import the map title (record 1406573) on page [6] plus fix the map title date<br />
<br>3. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: February 1979" and "No printer's key so first printing assumed." notes.<br />
<br>4. Add LCCN<br />
<br>5. Add notes for cover artist, map artist, LCCN<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:58, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== test math input ==<br />
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== The Regiment's War ==<br />
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I submitted a change for the page count on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46001 The Regiment's War] to match the last printed page number. Once approved it will match the LCCN and WorldCat data. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:10, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Moonheart: A Romance ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22754 Moonheart: A Romance], would you mind if I add the Author's Note on page 479 and the Appendix on page 481? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:00, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Greenmantle ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16001 Greenmantle], would you mind if I import the Author's Note (title record 1719684) on page 328? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:59, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380088 this submission] on hold. Shouldn't the other two titles be variants of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3064231 Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy]? Only reason I looked for this submission is because I was reviewing your earlier edits when Ron approved them. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: ahh.. I added the variant based on which title was entered earlier, rather than published. Also, it's seems odd that the other longer 'chocolate pot' publications names don't match <br />
shorter title record. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:55, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Subtitles in some of the publication titles, not in the title record. Do you want to change your submission(s)? If so, I'll approve them. Looks like one title record will need a date change too. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Should subtitles drive varianting? I guess I don't quite understand when it's ok to have a title with various publication names, vs. varianting. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:33, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Date determines the parent. 'Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy' published in 1988 is the oldest. 'Sorcery and Cecelia or The Enchanted Chocolate Pot' title date is 2003, it is a variant. I would correct the title record to 2003-05-00, add the subtitle, and variant. Sorcery & Cecelia or The Enchanted Chocolate Pot only needs to have the parent variant record number changed from 6862 to 3064231. I will release the hold if you disagree. If you agree, I'll approve the changes. No problem either way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:58, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please go ahead. (I'm off for a week on vacation). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:52, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Prince of Ill Luck ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45593 The Prince of Ill Luck]. I changed the note "1st edition as per number line" to a quoted edition note and a no number line note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looks good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:04, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Purple Pirate ==<br />
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Do you know a reason as to why [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274785 this] publication has not been included in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?23865 this] series given it's published by Zebra Books/Kensington Publishing Corp. and has "Volume 4" prominently on the cover ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:37, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Not really. In fact, in my own personal catalog, I have it as volume 4 of 'Tros of Samothrace'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:02, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Database Typose ==<br />
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Can you double check these possible database typos?<br />
* dispair - {{T|3044618|City of Hope & Dispair (excerpt)}} in {{P|327912|City of Dreams & Nightmare}}<br />
* habeus - {{T|2957630|Habeus Corpses (excerpt)}} in {{P|72833|Dead on My Feet}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:59, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Both typos. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:53, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Fixed, thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:52, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Course of Empire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?68663 The Course of Empire], would you mind if I import the following titles?<br />
<br>On page [5] "Cast of Characters (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 654 "Glossary of Jao Terms (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 657 "Appendix A: The Ekhat (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 663 "Appendix B: Interstellar Travel (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:37, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:52, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fata Morgana ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128641 The Fata Morgana], would you mind if I change the page count to 313+[1] and add the Author's note on page [314]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:52, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:34, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Man Whose Name Wouldn't Fit ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196257; I added Luminist PDF and entered the whole ID, 123-07020-075. EDIT: My edit was rejected because mod claimed only 07020 needed to be entered, and then mod made their own edit adding the PDF I found. I pointed out that publisher Curtis Books has about five dozen other ISFDB entries where the whole ID was entered, but whether any mods are going to respond to that or decide which way of entering the ID is actually correct remains to be seen. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:19, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5710577; Subtitle entered in note should be part of title according to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper / Deadly Image ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of: Willem H, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9422 Deadly Image] and propose to: <br> 1) update date to 1958-05-00, add pub note stating source which is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205393 1969 Ballantine second printing] and update date on title and coverart records <br> 2) add pub note advising that the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293455 1958 UK Hutchinson hc] states that it is preceded by this edition <br> 3) delete the Clute/Nichols (sic) reference in accordance with my post: 'Clute/Nicholls and "First Edition"' on the Moderators' Noticeboard dated 3 April 2022 (now archived) <br> Are you ok with all this? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:11, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:10, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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==Edmund Cooper / Tomorrow's Gift==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of: Kraang, Willem H, Dirk P Broer, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189277 Tomorrow's Gift] <br> 1) the pub record has a contents entry "Brain Child". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 63 is "The Brain Child" <br> 2) the pub record has a contents entry "M81-Ursa Major". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 95 is "M81: Ursa Major" <br> I will make the appropriate corrections and add pub notes regarding the discrepancies with the TOC [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:56, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Instrument of Fate ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18319 Instrument of Fate], do you mind if I change the page count to [8]+293 and add the map title on page [7]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:49, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:47, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Shrine of the Desert Mage ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30373 Shrine of the Desert Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+243 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:27, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:48, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gatekeepers ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40407 The Gatekeepers] and see if the title on page [7] is "Preface" not "Introduction"? I'd like to change title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?980592] to "Preface (The Gatekeepers)". I know that title is also part of the hardcover edition verified by the inactive KPulliam but it's highly unlikely that there would be a difference in titles between the hardcover and the paperback editions. I'd also like to change the page count to [8]+456. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:40, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has 'Preface'. (Introduction probably came from the front cover). Ok with page count. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:56, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I added the Open Library link to the hc. The archive has a scanned copy of the first printing. It confirms 'Preface'. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:20, 22 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== God Game ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15603 God Game], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add the map on page 308.<br />
<br>2. Add the Author's Note on page 309.<br />
<br>3. Add WorldCat and misc notes.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:35, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:49, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== White Mare, Red Stallion ==<br />
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There is a very unlikely author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54545 this publication], under the same name as the work itself.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:15, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Copy/paste error. Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:35, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ten Thousand ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250428 The Ten Thousand], would you mind if I add the map on page 6 and the Glossary on page 467? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:34, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:55, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vain Command ==<br />
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After a discussion with one of the moderators [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#Squadron_Alert here], I have submitted an edit to add the missing Roman numeral page numbers to<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32925 Vain Command]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:30, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Daggerspell and Darkspell - Del Rey ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8587 Daggerspell], I'd like to add the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to 16+395<br />
<br> Seems like it should be [16]+395<br />
<br>2. Import title 2135194 "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (Daggerspell)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Add map title "The Provinces of the Kingdom of Deverry in the Year 1060 (map)" on page [12]<br />
<br>4. Add map title "Southern Eldidd in 1060 (map)" on page [14]<br />
: Otherwise, Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:58, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9123 Darkspell], I'd like to add the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [16]+366<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (Darkspell)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Import map title "The Provinces of the Kingdom of Deverry in the Year 1060 (map)" on page [12]<br />
<br>4. Import map title "Southern Eldidd in 1060 (map)" on page [14]<br />
<br>5. Add title "Appendix: Characters and Their Incarnations (Darkspell)" on page 361<br />
<br>6. Add title "Glossary (Darkspell)" on page 363<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:56, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:11, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Bristling Wood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36554 The Bristling Wood], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Bristling Wood)" on page 9<br />
<br>2. Add title "Appendix: Characters and Their Incarnations (The Bristling Wood)" on page 353<br />
<br>3. Add title "Glossary (The Bristling Wood)" on page 354<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:54, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:13, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Revenant ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38755 The Dragon Revenant], would you mind the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [12]+401+[17]<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Dragon Revenant)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Add map "The Bardekian Archipelago in 1070 (map)" on page [11]<br />
<br>4. Add title "Glossary (The Dragon Revenant)" on page 397<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:36, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:15, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Time of Exile ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1276 A Time of Exile], would you mind the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+404+[16]<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (A Time of Exile)" on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Incarnations of the Various Characters Throughout the Deverry Series (A Time of Exile)" on page 395<br />
<br>4. Add title "Political Chronology of the Kingdoms of Deverry and Eldidd (A Time of Exile)" on page 396<br />
<br>5. Add title "Glossary (A Time of Exile)" on page 401<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:05, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Red Wyvern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45983 The Red Wyvern], I'd like to do the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+393+[7]<br />
<br>2. Add essay "Author's Note (The Red Wyvern)" on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page [11]<br />
<br>4. Add essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Red Wyvern)" on page 385<br />
<br>5. Add essay "Glossary (The Red Wyvern)" on page 389<br />
<br>6. Add essay "Table of Reincarnating Characters (The Red Wyvern)" on page [395]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:58, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:29, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Black Raven ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?235629 The Black Raven], I would like to do the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to xiii+415+[2]<br />
<br>2. Add essay "A Note on the Deverry Sequence (The Black Raven)" on page ix<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page xiii<br />
<br>4. Add essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Black Raven)" on page 409<br />
<br>5. Add essay "Glossary (The Black Raven)" on page 413<br />
<br>6. Add essay "Table of Reincarnating Characters (The Black Raven)" on page [417]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:35, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:32, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fire Dragon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249142 The Fire Dragon], I would like to make the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [12]+418 and add note about no printed Roman numerals<br />
<br>2. Add essay "Table of Incarnations (The Fire Dragon)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Delete the existing map title and replace it by importing the map title used in "Days of Blood and Fire". (The map title add is currently waiting on mod approval.)<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:19, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Time of Omens ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1282 A Time of Omens] I would like to add the essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (A Time of Omens)" on page ix. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:25, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:35, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Snare ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30933 Snare], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the title to "Snare: A Novel of the Far Future" to match the title page. Based what I'm seeing in the majority of the WorldCat records, I'll also change the canonical title name to the new value instead of doing an unmerge and variant.<br />
<br>2. Change the page count to [10]+676<br />
<br>3. Add essay "Author's Note (Snare)" on page [9]<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:37, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:57, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Palace ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25544 Palace], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the title to "Palace: A Novel of the Pinch" to match the title page. Based what I'm seeing in the LCCN record and the majority of the WorldCat records, I'll also change the canonical title name to the new value instead of doing an unmerge and variant.<br />
: I'd leave it alone, per leaving series names out of titles.<br />
<br>2. Add a note about the odd split format of the title page. <br />
<br>3. Change the page count to [10]+450<br />
<br>4. Add essay "Author's Note (Palace)" on page [9]<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:51, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:00, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Emerald House Rising ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12174 Emerald House Rising], I would like to change the page count to [10]+325 and add the two maps on pages [8] and [9]. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:29, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:03, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wild Swans ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49997 The Wild Swans], I'd like to add the essay "Author's Note (The Wild Swans)" on page 447. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:40, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:04, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire Sanctuary ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13650 Fire Sanctuary], I want to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [14]+370<br />
<br>2. Add the map on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add the essay on page [8]<br />
<br>4. Add the essay on page [9]<br />
<br>5. Add the genealogical table on page [10]<br />
<br>6. I'll move the WorldCat ID to external and add notes as well<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:16, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok.<br />
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== Raven series ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27410 Swordsmistress of Chaos], I'd like to add the map on page 6.<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27398 A Time of Ghosts], I'd like to change the page count to [8]+199 add the map on page [6].<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:23, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. The maps look the same to me, so perhaps sharing them makes sense. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:06, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Steerswoman ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47936 The Steerswoman], I'd like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+279<br />
<br>2. Add the map on page [6]<br />
<br>3. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:16, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Outskirter's Secret ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45002 The Outskirter's Secret], I'd like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+342<br />
: My copy is [10]+342.<br />
::Indeed it is. My bad. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:30, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br>2. Change the map author to Rosemary Kirstein and add an associated map artist note<br />
: Sure. <br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:37, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mammoth Book of Awesome Comic Fantasy ==<br />
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Could you please double check {{P|43683|The Mammoth Book of Awesome Comic Fantasy}}? Per the second printing:<br />
*page 90 is credited as Esther Friesner and not Esther M. Friesner<br />
*page 110 is credited as Nelson Bond and not Nelson S. Bond <br />
*page 175 is credited as Michael Coney and not Michael G. Coney<br />
*"The Caliber of the Sword" is on page 344 and not 244<br />
Do these need to be corrected in the entry for the first printing or did they real change between printings? I will point the other verifier to this conversation as well. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Your differences are correct. Note that I just submitted an edit with a replacement for the Amazon ISBN based cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:25, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deryni Magic title ==<br />
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Please look at the title page of your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9926 Deryni Magic: A Grimoire] and see if it matches mine which only reads "Deryni Magic". I'd like to change the both the title and canonical title to "Deryni Magic" as well as add a note that the cover shows the title as "Deryni Magic: A Grimoire". I'll also have to change the cover image title to match. I'd also like to add the map titles on pages vi and vii. The other active PVs have this same request. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:59, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. (I see the edit already went through). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:18, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bikini Planet ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4470; I added Archive.org link and replaced unstable "P" Amazon cover image with stable Amazon image that looks the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:28, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Lodge of the Lynx ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34999 The Lodge of the Lynx], I want to change the cover artist to "Daniel R. Horne". The existing cover art note is almost correct but it's a keyhole double cover and the signed art is on the inner cover not a frontispiece so I'll fix that as well. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 14:11, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:16, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Temple and the Crown ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48395 The Temple and the Crown], would you mind if I change the page count to xi+542 and add the essay on page ix? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:59, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic's Price ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21139 Magic's Price], I'd like to add the map on page 6. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 11 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:53, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Oathbreakers ==<br />
<br />
For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24660 Oathbreakers], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Import the maps on pages 6, 7, 8, 9<br />
: Ok<br />
<br>2. Import Appendix One on page 283<br />
: I wish the rules were clearer on whether 281 or 283 should be used.<br />
<br>3. Add title "Appendix Two: Songs and Poems (Oathbreakers)" on page 289<br />
: ditto 287 or 289<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:27, 11 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:57, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Trumpets of Tagan ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48890 The Trumpets of Tagan] I'd like to change the page count to viii+258. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:17, 13 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:04, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tongues of Serpents - Naomi Novik ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon image in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347095 this pub] with a scan. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:41, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper (Richard Avery) / The Deathworms (Death Worms) of Kratos ==<br />
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I need to notify 5 active PVs of changes I propose to make to the above title. The details of the changes are on my talk page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Edmund_Cooper_.28Richard_Avery.29_.2F_The_Deathworms_.28Death_Worms.29_of_Kratos here]. If you wish to comment, could you please do so on my talk page so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Glen Cook / A Shadow of All Night Falling ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254119 A Shadow of All Night Falling]. This pub has numbered roman numeral pages at the start so I will change the page count accordingly, index the map and add pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 15:40, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== World Without End ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55357; I replaced unstable Amazon cover with stable Amazon cover, which looks the same, and added Archive.org link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Return to Eden ==<br />
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I notice that many of the publication records of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9231 Return to Eden] contain the appendix, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?979454 The World West of Eden] as well as the prolog and the map as separate entries, so in the interest of consistency I'd like to add them to the contents of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27998 the publication you verified] if that's OK. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:00, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. In case you don't have access to a copy, the prologue is on page ix, and the appendices on 345. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:06, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== David Zindell / The Lightstone (maps) ==<br />
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I am in the process of editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43086 The Lightstone]. This pub has two maps which are uncredited but signed with a handwritten "R.G.". Whilst trying to find the creator of these maps I discovered that your PVd copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273957 Lord of Lies] has maps credited to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?130091 Richard Geiger]. So he probably did the maps in The Lightstone but to confirm can you please advise: 1) are the maps in your Lord of Lies explicitly credited to Richard Geiger? 2) are they signed "R.G."? Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:06, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: "Map by Richard Geiger" on copyright page. Map signed "R.G. '01" in lower right corner. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 00:31, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Charles Sheffield / The Nimrod Hunt ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs: Ahasuerus, Willem H., GlennMcG<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. There is a pub note stating "Price in Canada: C$4.95". My copy has no Canadian price. Is there a Canadian price on your copy? If we all agree there is not then I will delete this note. I also propose to add a pub note about the discrepancy in the heading of the excerpt on page [407]. This states "...coming in July 1985..." despite Nimrod Hunt being published in August 1986. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: No C$ on mine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:17, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Excellent: we have 100% agreement amongst the four of us. I have just submitted the edit to make the changes as per my original proposal and have also added the "Not to be confused..." note suggested by Ahasuerus. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:12, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vernor Vinge / The Peace War ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45166 The Peace War]. I will import the existing record for the excerpt of "Between the Strokes of Night" by Charles Sheffield which appears in the unnumbered pages at the end of the book and will adjust the Pages field to 378+[4] accordingly. I have verified that this excerpt in The Peace War is identical to the excerpt in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. Incidentally, since this pb of The Peace War was published in June 1985, the statement "...coming in July 1985..." at the head of the excerpt now makes sense. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:45, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Delian Cycle minor fix ==<br />
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There's a typo in the notes for The Delian Cycle (which you verified), "preceds" instead of "precedes", so I'll fix it unless you have any objections. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:42, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Reprint Dates ==<br />
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Several clone pubs submissions for reprints had the same date as the original publication. I removed the date on these. However, I released I was over zealous on a couple and had misread the date and notes. I restored those. If I missed anything, please let me know and & I will fix. Sorry for the confusion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:41, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: The only one I don't understand is https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5463341 --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:36, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::How do you derive the publishing date from that? If I understand the note correctly, the publication lists itself, but not the next pub? That would have been true of the first publication. How do you know they didn't simply update the second printing list vs. it was published before the next book in the series? Or was that known practice for this publisher? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:20, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It was an attempt to reverse engineer a pattern that Bluesman used for dating non-first printings that I was PVing. (I attempted to use that scheme to date non-PVed books that I had non-first printings). Pocket Books seems to be quite consistent in number series listings in their books.<br />
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::: The way I interpret that data, is as such. Find the 1st printing date of the last book listed in a series. (STTNG, for example). Call it last. Find the same for the next higher book (not listed), and call it next. Then assume that the publication date of this non-first printing is: last <= date < next. Apply this to the various series listed in the book, and then apply an old-school logic puzzle game to the cross-series results. The book in question however had less data to apply. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:26, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::These extrapolated dates always make me a bit nervous. Anyhow, I have restored the date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:53, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dick ~ St. Clair / The World Jones Made ~ Agent of the Unknown ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs.<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50485 The World Jones Made ~ Agent of the Unknown] and propose to change the date from 1956-00-00 to 1956-03-00 and add a pub note stating the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360808 Galactic Central Bibliography]. I will also add the month to the associated records (title and coverart). I will be adding the month to several other PKD books in the near future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:22, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14030 Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said] and will add notes and import the existing record for the interior art on page 2. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:45, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The formatting ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder that we do not enforce formatting in the Notes field and converting every single Note you touch into HTML is not a good idea - not all the editors are comfortable working with HTML. When you are adding a lot of additional notes, that's fine but if you are adding a single note or a couple of short notes, please don't convert to your preferred formatting just because you like it more than what you find in the field - instead use the existing formatting and add the note using it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:43, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dragons, Elves and Heroes ==<br />
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Glenn, Double check [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5479044 this submission]. 0345017315 maybe? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:54, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: You're right. 0-345-01731-5 is the correct ISBN. Not sure what brain function kicked to produce this error, but 0 is close to 1 numerically, but not keyboard positionally. The note has the right number. I can resubmit if you'd like. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:02, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes please. Cancel the held submission as well. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:26, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:39, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Olympus ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to the notes of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24822 this pub]. Let's remove this note 'The first pages are roman numbered.' and correct the Pages field to reflect the Roman numerals. I know you didn't write it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:20, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I left things alone because there didn't seem to be a way to distinguish separately sequenced roman vs arabic sections, vs one sequence starting with roman and continuing with arabic. For example, in this book, the pages are numbered i–ix, blank, 11–317, not i–ix, blank, 1–317. (In the page field syntax). Perhaps enter ix+317, and note that arabic section starts with 11? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:33, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: ix+317 is correct. I don't believe any note is necessary. The contents section is clear. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:42, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Silent Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47237 this] is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See [https://ifdpublishing.com/product/trilobite-returns-to-helvoran-large-print/ here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:19, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 15:21, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Haven ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16527; Copy uploaded recently on Archive.org, note says April 2000, I assume that was a mistake so when I added a link I also changed it to September. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Error confirmed. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:59, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Changing Amazon Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657166; My edit adding Archive.org link and changing 01 to 00 in the date was rejected because mod said I should have asked you about changing the date first. As you probably know, Amazon routinely has day as 01 when they don't know the real day (or sometimes 01-01 if they don't know the month and the day); 05-01 could be April, May, or June and book said May so that's what I changed it to, 05-00. In the future, assuming I'm still editing here much longer, would you like me to just adjust the day when I find an actual copy with the date without leaving you a message? In this case the mod left the Amazon date as it is but did make another edit adding the Archive link that I found myself, so at least that's there now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: My edit didn't change the date, but added the source. My practice has been to only change the date if it's in the previous month, and the printing statement gives the next month. (And noting the difference). Since I couldn't prove that it didn't actually get issued on the first, I left things alone. If group consensus wants something different, it's ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:45, 24 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Just a quick note here: As 2018-05-01 is a Tuesday and that had been the usual day for the big US based publishers to publish their books for the last few years, the date here is most likely correct: while Amazon may have issues with some publishers’ dates and -01 may indicate lack of knowledge of the day of publishing, that is very unlikely to be the case here considering the newness of the book and the publisher. Books get published on the 1st and the history of the publisher and its practices and the specific date it is (in this case being a Tuesday) need to be taken into account before removing valid data from the database. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 01:58, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::If there was a note saying that it was actually published on the 1st then that would be true, but Amazon doesn't do that, so barring a photo of a review copy with the specific publication date on it, which is not the case more often than not, it's always best to enter the date as it is in the publication itself. Some do include a specific day, usually small-press books or older books in reprint editions where they mention the exact dates of previous printings, but most don't. It's all moot, anyway, because often dates in books and when they were actually published are two different things. There are probably tens of thousands of books on ISFDB that have the wrong date, some people entering them from the book itself, others taking the date from an online site like Amazon or genre sites like Locus which often differ from the date in the book (I know because I've fixed probably thousands of them), so it's all guesswork and only of interest to people who care about minutiae; there's not a single online site I've ever seen that could seriously be called truly accurate. Just read, that's what's really important; you never know when all this may be gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: From the help section "The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources Secondary Sources of Dates]. The publication is in compliance. FWIW, [https://astrapublishinghouse.com/product/the-summer-dragon-9780756408343/ here] is a link to the publisher's website confirming the 2018-05-01 date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::That doesn't confirm anything; lazy publishers routinely just copy dates straight from Amazon. It might really be the right day or it might not. Unless someone can verify they bought the book on its publication date by showing a receipt and it really was the first day of the month then the month will suffice here. As I said, dates in books and publication dates often differ, sometimes greatly. Cemetery Dance has one of the worst track records when it comes to publishing books on time, sometimes coming out years after the date in the book. Very few books or other publications can be pinpointed to the exact day they were published and it really isn't that important compared to other stuff like, for example, the huge amount of collections and anthologies on ISFDB that have missing/incomplete/inaccurate contents; that's what most people are interested in, not knowing what exact day the book was published, because that matters little to their enjoyment (or not) of the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Shared title change discussion ==<br />
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I'd like to change [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?175371 SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume] to "The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy: Second Annual Volume" as per the title page. (unlike the front cover and spine). Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:33, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Hmmm. Just noticed the large SF on the previous page.<br />
::I'll dig it out and have a look inside.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I'm inclined to leave it as is. The current title I believe is the intended title, just printed on two separate pages.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:35, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I’m away from home for the next few days, but I’d vote for leaving it as is based on your descriptions. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 10:50, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I could see it turn into "SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy: Second Annual Volume". Are sub-sub-titles not a thing? The volume part is in a smaller/different font than the first part. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:32, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: That would be more in line with the third and fourth annual volume of the same series, too.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 21:58, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've looked at the first four, and the sub-sub-title suggestion makes sense and aligns with the others in the series. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 21:29, 3 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I've submitted edits for the 2nd annual pubs. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:00, 4 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baynes Illustrations for Tolkien ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG<br />
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I'm holding two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475700 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475701 here]. These would replace the single INTERIORART record for our mutually verified ''Smith of Wooten Major & Farmer Giles of Ham'' withe separate INTERIORART records for the illustrations from the separate publications of the two stories. If I were the sole verifier, I would approve these, but I'm actually ambivalent about the change. Do you have an opinion on whether these edits should be approved or rejected? I'm leaving the same note on all the active verifiers page and will follow up if we have a disagreement on what to do. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 5 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Doesn't seem to be much of a win to change, but meh? However, I'd guess that the illustrations were commissioned for the combined works, rather than as separate projects. I'm ok however it turns out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:18, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I actually think it's more likely that these are the Baynes illustrations done for the original standalone editions and not a new illustrations specifically for the combined edition. I'm going to go ahead and approve the edits. There is a [https://archive.org/details/smithofwoottonma1975tolk partial scan] of a 1978 standalone edition of SWM where the title page matches ours. There is also a [https://archive.org/details/farmergilesofham0000tolk full scan] of FGH included in a different collection in 1977 and with matching illustrations. While these are later printings, they all bear the same original copyright dates. These aren't definitive proof, but do suggest that the illustrations are the same as the original standalone publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:47, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bernard Wolfe / Limbo ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20399 Limbo] and will add pub note "Year confirmed by Tuck", new essay "Author's Notes and Warnings" (page 409) and page numbers to the contents. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:48, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== James White / Hospital Station ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17347 Hospital Station]. In my copy, the story on page 84 is titled "Trouble with Emily" but the Contents section of the pub record has "The Trouble with Emily". Could you please check the title in your copy. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:03, 11 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My copy matches yours. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 04:59, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I will make the change. Thanks for checking. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:11, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crowther - Forbidden Planets ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, the notes [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256837 here] are very clear about the Afterword but I suggest it should be titled "Afterword: Forbidden Planet[s?] (Forbidden Planets)". Could you check it out, and also clarify whether it's 'Planet' or 'Planets'. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:10, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: It's "Forbidden Planet" over "Stephen Baxter" at the actual essay on page 289. It seems to me that the title is ok as is, or perhaps just change to "Forbidden Planet". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:31, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As far as I know, we take titles from the book's table contents page (and not from the body of the publication) and detail the difference (in this case on p.289) in the pub Notes.<br />
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::That would give us "Afterword: Forbidden Planet" as the title (as per table contents page).<br />
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::Then we add the book's title in brackets. So, finally.... "Afterword: Forbidden Planet (Forbidden Planets)".<br />
:: The last sentence in the Notes ("The essay...") explains the situation perfectly. Here's a random example of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53528 Afterword titling]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:32, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: From the help section - "Short fiction, essays and poems. For short stories, essays and poems, when working from a primary source, always take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins. The title shown in/on the table of contents, running page headers, index, front cover of the publication, secondary bibliography, or a promotional website listing is secondary. Any differences between titles in the publication may be noted in the publication notes, but this is not required. If titles are being entered solely from a secondary source, please record the source in the note field."<br />
::: Glen is correct. No disambiguation is necessary since there are not other essays with the same title by Stephen Baxter. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:42, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::Thanks John for stepping in to sort me out:) I'm sorry Glenn for getting it all wrong - I remembered the way it worked - exactly backwards! My mistake, and a lesson. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:10, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|178129|Ghosts}}: I updated several author credits to match the story title pages:<br />
* p67, Jack M. Dann to Jack Dann <br />
* p85, Mary E. Wilkins Freeman to Mary Wilkins Freeman<br />
* p213, Charlotte Riddell to Mrs. J. H. Riddell<br />
Also, do you see a cover artist credit on this pub? I'm not seeing a credit or a signature. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:12, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see initials JK in the lower right corner of the front cover. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:27, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I've updated the pub notes with that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:27, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Evil Overlord / Human For A Day==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?98621; I added (incomplete) Archive.org copy some time ago; today while adding info for DAW anthologies that are on Open Library but not searchable on the Archive (identified by their white "Preview" button) I came across this one again and while adding LCCN ID I noticed the Roman numerals weren't included in the page count so I added an xi. I assume your copy has the same. EDIT: Also added Archive.org link, LCCN ID, and viii to this; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358071. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Replacing some Amazon images on verified publications. ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan from my copy for the following: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22532 The Mocking Program] by Alan Dean Foster and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584398 Solar Express], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657176 Assassin's Price] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486772 Rex Regis] by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Music ==<br />
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I was planning on adding the foreword by Kevin Hearne to [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657063 this pub]] to match the HC and verified ebook, as my copy does have it. It will require changing the page count to xii+387 from 387. I will also be uploading a scanned cover and adding the Canadian price of 10.99. Any problem with this? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:09, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:28, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Mind Slayer" ==<br />
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When I found Your pv title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31970 Mind Slayer] I wonder if the title isn't spelled wrong. All external-IDs, the cover and Amazon have a different spelling "Mind Slaver". I'm wondering as the title is primary verified four times. Can You approve again? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 15:14, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I guess it was invisible. 'Slaver' is correct. I've uploaded a new cover image while driving by. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:35, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Concrete Savior ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346717; There's an Archive.org copy (one of those that only appears on Open Library) so I added a link but the page count was way off, 343 instead of 384. You as PV can tell me what your copy's count is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:56, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: 343. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:41, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Talon of the Silver Hawk ==<br />
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Minor tweaks to contents of Talon of the Silver Hawk https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34446 if you have no objection.<br />
[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:43, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Magician's End ==<br />
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Minor tweaks to contents of Magician's End https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412824 if you have no objection.<br />
[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rides a Dread Legion ==<br />
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I made minor changes to contents of Rides a Dread Legion https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274016 if you have no objection. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:49, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Charles de Lint / Moonheart: A Romance ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of active PVs GlennMcG, Philfreund.<br />
<br>I'm looking at my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22754 Moonheart: A Romance] and the pub record. This doesn't seem to be set up correctly. It should be unmerged, assigned to a title record of "Moonheart: A Romance" and this should be varianted to "Moonheart". Actually, there is a case for making "Moonheart: A Romance" the canonical title as it's the first publication. However, as there is only 1 pub titled "Moonheart: A Romance" and 16 pubs titled "Moonheart", I don't feel strongly about which is the canonical title. Mind you, I would bet that some of the other pubs also have "A Romance" on the title page, particularly the Ace pb reprints. What are your thoughts? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:47, 13 February 2023 (EST):<br />
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: The notes indicate the subtitle 'a romance' (which is present). I just PVed and made no edits and left things alone. My personal esthetic for subtitles tends to ignore essentially 'content-free' like this, or 'a novel'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::On a purely personal level I completely agree with you. I consider statements such as "A Romance" on the title page to be a description of the work and not part of the title. It also opens the door to problems because it makes it too easy for editors to forget or not bother to include subtitles which results in inconsistent pub records accumulating as they have with Moonheart. However, our personal opinions are not relevant. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title ISFDb policy] on this states that it should be entered as a subtitle so that's what we have to go with. Coincidentally, this policy actually uses "A Romance" as an example. Based on your and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#Charles_de_Lint_.2F_Moonheart:_A_Romance Philfreund's] replies, I will do the varianting but first I will stick a post on the Moderator Noticeboard to ask which should be the canonical title as it's rather subjective. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sirens and other Daemon Lovers ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted a submission adding page numbers to the contents for your verified {{P|253718|Sirens and Daemon Lovers}}. The submission used a copy on Archive.org as the source and cited that in the notes. Please review. If you do review and verify that the page numbers match your copy, delete that citation from the notes -- we'd prefer to know that someone saw those page numbers on a copy of the book in hand. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:18, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Page #s PVed and edit submitted. Noticed a missing subtitle and submitted edits. Will need to merge. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Glad I could help. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One in Three Hundred / The Transposed Man ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, re your title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24989 here], I'd like to add a link to an Asimov [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?481353 variant cover]. I noticed that your cover was upgraded in 2019 so I thought that providing a link would alert future editors of the relationship (if they missed it in summary pages. Are you ok with that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 06:47, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:55, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thank you. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:19, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== L. Neil Smith / The Probability Broach ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181953 The Probability Broach] and propose to:<br />
<br>1) change page count to vii+275<br />
<br>2) create a Content record for the Appendix<br />
<br>3) add explanatory pub notes<br />
<br>[[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:31, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Circus of Dr. Lao cover artist ==<br />
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I added Mitchell Hooks' credit for the cover of the Bantam [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37138 Circus of Dr. Lao] along with a note that he signed it.--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 09:08, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Snowcastles and Sometime After the Equinox==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322251; I copied the Romas note over to Star Axe since artist's name is visible there, too, but I noticed for that book you or someone made an alternate name while in this one no one did. Should artist be a variant in this, too? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31142; this one, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:05, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I used the name from Locus. Not sure how to prioritize secondary sources. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:06, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Upon reflection, I'd prioritize the one that matches the canonic name. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:45, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== YoED ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371303; I fixed that obviously wrong publisher name, the only one such on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Demon Night ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/demonnight0000smit; I fixed month in cover art (was 00) and reg. title (was 02) but I think publisher in your PV should be Ace Fantasy Books. Anyway, this 3rd printing was uploaded recently in case you care to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: The title page indicates 'ace books'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:18, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== K-9 Corps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602460; I'm replacing the unstable "G" cover; another book in the series (Under Fire) also has an unstable cover but current Amazon cover has a watermark from some bookseller so I didn't replace it. Also, 1 book is missing WorldCat ID and 3 are missing LCCN ID in case you wanted to finish adding those. EDIT: I added Archive.org links to 3 books in the series and another link to StarSpawn by the same author (+ LCCN ID), which you also PV, but I noticed the cover has the same watermark (papierplanet.de) as the one I mentioned above, in case you can upload yours or a better one from somewhere besides Amazon (Open Library doesn't show the cover but it does show the title page with a message and signature by the author). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:45, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Chariot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88806; LCCN is for the HC, not the PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:25, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Changed it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 22:50, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - Nightfall and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, just to let you know that I've entered all the introductions to {{P|178377|this pub}}, replacing the generic <i>Biographical Comments in "Nightfall and Other Stories"</i> title. I don't know if this would be any use to your {{P|205725|record here}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Update: Have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_Nightfall_and_Other_Stories this thread] which may be of help. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon Blade ==<br />
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Would you please look at the title page of your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281293 Dragon Blade] and see if the title should actually be "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan"? I just found that on the SFBC hardcover edition which means that it's also true for the original Tor hardcover edition. That means the canonical title should be "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan". Also, does your pb copy happen to show the cover artist as just "Royo" instead of "Luis Royo" like the SFBC dust jacket does? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:37, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: My copy has the subtitle, although it's also vaguely a series position designator. Back cover has 'Cover art by Royo'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:14, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::In that case, if you don't object, I'm going to submit edits to change all the titles, including the canonical title, map, cover, etc. to "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan". I'll also change the artist to just "Royo" and variant if necessary. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:48, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Accidental Earth ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+accidental+earth%22; Printed in Canada on copyright, printed in U.S.A. on back, what does your copy say, this may be Canadian edition which can be entered by me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has "Printed in United States of America" on the copyright page, and "Printed in the U.S.A." on the back cover. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:19, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I entered a new record, copy-and-pasted your notes and added a new note about printing info, and added a C to the price. Cover is ragged so no sense uploading it; maybe someone will see this and upload from their own Canadian copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beauty (Pocket Books) ==<br />
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Hello, Glenn. Happy St. Patrick's Day, if you're observant. For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267522 this book], the tree (?) on the right of the cover looks like it's initialed HB. Could the artist be Harry Bennett? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 18:13, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I agree that the initials 'hb' are present. I've looked at various covers on ISFDB credited to Harry Bennett, and it seems plausible, but I have no evidence to declare certainty. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Science Fiction Stories No. 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32089<br><br />
discussion: https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Star_SF_Stories_.233<br><br />
I'm planning to give the edition [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/3/3e/STRSTRSN4B1954.jpg this new cover]<br><br />
--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:49, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Drake/Morris' The Fourth Rome ==<br />
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When you have a free moment, could you please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Drake.2FMorris.27_The_Fourth_Rome this discussion], which affected the way the cover artist of your verified pub was credited? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolves of London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575595; I changed 460 pages to 464. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:15, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mutant Files Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644894; I think the viii in page count shouldn't be there because the next page is 9; 320 is total number of pages including the Roman ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Check out the discussion at https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Olympus Olympus. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:48, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Something About a Glossary ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5665025; A mod approved a huge number of my edits today, more than usual, but this is the only one that was rejected. I honestly can't remember anything about it but you are the active PV, I think the other one is gone, so if you can decipher what I was trying to add you can decide whether you think it's important and enter your own edit(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Edits added for the series. Each books has the glossary, but adds entries from book to book. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:20, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Should they be "Glossary", not "Glossry"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:34, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Seems likely. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:43, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasy 2002 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13199; WorldCat ID leads to a page with a different ID so should it be updated? Also, the e-book on WorldCat has "ix" so that should be added to page count since intro is also a Roman numeral. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The worldcat link points to a page with a book with the same ISBN. The cover image doesn't match, but that's not an issue for the ISFDB entry. I've submitted an edit for the roman page count. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:24, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Baen's Spider Reprints ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
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I'm doing some cleanup on {{Series|24801|The Spider}} series and I see that we have a subseries for the Baen omnibus editions, {{Series|27387|The Spider (Baen)}}. I see a few issues with how we have this set up. First off, I don't know that the series should be numbered. I've have the first book in the series, {{P|99311|The Spider: Robot Titans of Gotham}}, and I haven't found any indication that it is numbered. Could you check your verified copy of {{P|839668|he Spider: City of Doom}} and see if they indicate that it is number 2 in a series? If Baen did support a separate numbering for their omnibus editions, I would argue that a publication series would be better than a title series. Assuming that they do not number them, I don't see a need for a subseries at all. Rather I think these should simply be part of the regular series. That way, we could use the content field on the title record to show which novels are included. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No numbering present. I'm ok with your suggestion. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:28, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Monadic Universe ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, I'll be adding the Reginald3 ID# to your PD'd {{P|44250|pub}}. Reginald states the pages as xx+167 and looking at the titles pagination, I suspect yours should be same. If it is the same, I can add that change to my edit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:21, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:31, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) Thanks for the quick reply! Will do. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:00, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Also adding Reg3# to {{P|277309|The Omega Point Trilogy}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:52, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zeddies - Deathgift ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|9587|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I do those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:19, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No need when adding external links like these. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:45, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your helpful reply. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:47, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The City and the Stars ==<br />
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Glenn, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672926 this submission] affecting one of your verified publications. Are you okay with it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:32, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok in general, but it seems that the notes should indicate that the publication has no credits/signatures, and provide the information providence. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree, in fact I restored a similar note in one of the other publications. What about importing the existing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3162956 COVERART title] instead, thereby preserving your note. We could add a note along the lines of; "Cover artist identified by the current owner of the original artwork." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:46, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:38, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Berbora ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5686924; I replaced cover with brighter one on Bookscans. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wizard's Eleven ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, BanjoKev [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Tepper_-_Wizard.27s_Eleven pointed] me to the pagecount of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55143 Wizard's Eleven]. I checked my copy, and the pagecount should indeed be xiv+187. Do you mind if I change this? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:47, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:19, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Yellow Fraction ==<br />
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You are PV for https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50846. I submitted metadata for it (actual SBN on the spine & unstated first edition, & Goodreads external ID). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 04:26, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthgrip ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5692901; LCCN confusion; your copy has the same (incorrect) number, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:56, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Same LCN. I noticed that your edit doesn't include the html markup that the rest of the notes use. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:51, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tepper - Southshore ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, could you please check the cover artist title spelling "Chrstensen" {{P|31357|here}}, it looks like a typo (it's "Christensen" in the notes) but I wanted to make sure. If it is, is it alright with you if I correct it and then merge it with the {{T|142450|1987-06-00 title}}? Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:35, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Sure. I added the note, but didn't notice that the pre-existing cover artist was misspelled. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 02:34, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Submitted, thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:05, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Medusa Encounter Possible Duplicate ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
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I'm looking at your {{P|842745|verified copy}} of ''The Medusa Encounter'', and it looks like it may be a duplicate of {{P|3127|this record}}. Is there something I'm missing? If it is a duplicate, you can move your verification to the other record and we can delete the extra copy. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Note the different location for "Infopak Technical Blueprints". I assumed a significant enough difference to clone. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:52, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Upon further thought, I could just add a note to the other record indicating the alternate location, if you'd prefer. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:00, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the explanation. I think it's OK how you did it. It was just a little hard to pick out that difference between the two records. Since they're both first printings, although different states, I'll copy the external IDs over to your record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:23, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Dark Dominion'' cover ==<br />
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Glenn, I've added the full wraparound cover for David Duncan's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8809 Dark Dominion], to illustrate that the cover of Arthur C. Clarke's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36941 The Challenge of the Spaceship] is a variant, something that was not evident before. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:35, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starcrossed ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217017; Copy on Archive.org says $1.75 on front cover. Does yours say $1.50? There doesn't seem to be any indication of their copy being a later printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:26, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy is $1.75. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 05:28, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Witches; First edition needs cover artist. Can you check your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Cover artist is not credited in my copy. (Perhaps a signature is buried somewhere in the artwork itself, but I can't find it). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:28, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Future We Wish We Had ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?940545; Title ends with War, not Wars. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alcheringia ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44017; LCCN not on Library of Congress website, should be removed and put in Notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251365; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link and the LCCN that's on the copyright page. If your copy has the author as Paul V. Dallas on title page you should change it and there are Roman numerals that should be added although they go from xi to xiii in this copy so if yours does, too, you should make a note of that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Highwaymen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17090; While adding Archive.org link I also fixed title, it's & Rogues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:20, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:32, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Martin & Tuttle / Windhaven ==<br />
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You have PVd the 1st US pb edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251127 Windhaven]. Could you please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Martin_.26_Tuttle_.2F_Windhaven this thread]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:03, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Face ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737168; Old cover was the wrong one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Garden ==<br />
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added artist. Source https://laberintogris.com/es/luis-royo-80s-90s/1342-luis-royo-original-el-jardin-los-viajeros-de-startrek-3.html [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 12:38, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Be the Serpent ==<br />
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In {{P|957658|Be the Serpent}}, there are two cover records. Was this intentionally or does one need to be removed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Not sure how I did it, but I've submitted an edit to remove the dup. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:08, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nicoji ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23891; It's Don Clavette on copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:06, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I don't follow the point you're trying to make here. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:24, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Point is that whoever entered artist entered the wrong first name so I left a message on all active PV's boards to let them know; one of them fixed it as you can see. That's one of the things I do here, correct all the countless mistakes that have been sitting unnoticed for years because PV don't bother to check that all the info in the book they're verifying is actually correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:22, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The last edit I see is from 2021. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:37, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?141275. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== King Dragon ==<br />
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A quick note about your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244329 verified first printing of ''King Dragon''], which states that the number of pages is 278. I have a copy of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244333 undated second printing] and the last numbered page is 277. The page that follows it is not numbered and contains a full-page illustration.<br />
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[[Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages]] says the following about this scenario:<br />
* ...you may record the count of unnumbered pages at the end of a publication. For example, 320+[4]. As before, only do this if there is additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record, as when there is an afterword or book excerpt which appears on unnumbered pages.<br />
I suppose a full-page illustration counts as "content". However, we don't have a separate Title record for it since all 50 (!) illustrations are covered by a single INTERIORART Title, so the Help condition "requires the creation of a content record" is not satisfied.<br />
Based on the above, I have updated the "Pages" field of my verified record to say "277" and the Note field to say:<br />
*The last numbered page is 277. The following page is not numbered and contains a full-page illustration.<br />
Does this match your understanding of how the quoted Help sentences apply in this case? Thanks for checking.<br />
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P.S. I will leave an identical note on the other active verifier's Talk page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:51, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Updated, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:17, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wilson Tucker / The Lincoln Hunters ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43095 The Lincoln Hunters] and will add the Author's Note and pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:12, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Castle Keeps ==<br />
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You PV'd this edition: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244357 I submitted note to moderator: Submitting pub note additions (Berkley Pub. Corp., assumed 1st ed., number on spine), & Goodreads external ID. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 03:39, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Brand New World ==<br />
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You PV'd this edition: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253 I just sent in the following: Submitting web page 1 (blog article) & Goodreads external ID for this edition. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:35, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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You PV'd the following edition: https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25003 I sent this in to moderators: Submitting two web pages (Wikipedia, blog retrospective review) & Goodreads external ID. I met Bob in 1982 while I was living in London. Nice guy. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:49, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== <b>Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2</b> ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:07, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The publication has "Cover Art by Ed Valigursky" on the copyright page of "The Ballad of Beta-2" side. "Cover Art by Jack Gaughan" on the "Alpha Yes, Terra No!" side copyright page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:07, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out now. Marriott may have read the inside credit for the illustration and got them mixed up. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:48, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sanctuary ==<br />
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Glenn, I'm holding submissions adding Keith Birdsong as cover artist to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3863 all three] publications (no support provided). Your verification [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32561 here] makes you the only active PV. I was able to find this [https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/keith-birdsong-star-trek-61-sanctuary-1878025596 listing]. If you think this is sufficient, would you mind submitting an edit adding the credit and modifying the notes? After approving your submission, I will approve the submissions adding the same credit to the other two pubs. Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:47, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:02, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Touch the Stars: Emergence ==<br />
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I would like to change the title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25678 Touch the Stars: Emergence] to simply "Emergence" since "Touch the Stars" is a series. I'd do the title and both existing publications (for one of which you were a PV). Any objections? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:59, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sounds fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:23, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yolen - Dragonfield and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, re your PV for {{P|11111|this pub}}, as Reginald3 gives the page count as xiii+241,could you check yours? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:06, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Mine's the same. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:56, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, in that case, I'll submit an edit. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:16, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Norton - 'Ware Hawk ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, with regard to {{P|24|this pub}}, I've posted to Dirk P Broer's page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Norton_-_.27Ware_Hawk here] and would appreciate your input. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:17, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Once a Hero ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3915; Cover artist needs importing into TP. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:34, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magical Beginnings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21165; If intro starts on 13 the Roman numbers in page count should be removed since numbering is continuous. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:48, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been given advice in the past that this is fine as is. The rules don't seem to directly address this case, however. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:40, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Veiled Web ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?280456; I added links to original PB and TP editions where artist is Nielson; does your printing really say Nielsen or is it Nielson (in which case it needs fixing)? PV of TP incorrectly entered Nielsen so I left a note asking her to fix it if her copy says the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:11, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edits submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:01, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}} and {{P|44001|The Med Series}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:44, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Iseult ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18696; 3 PV, you're the only active one, I just added archived link in a PENDING edit, do you think the subtitle on title page should be added as part of the title? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Unkindness of Ravens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2523; PENDING edit with archived link, page count is 234, not 236; needs fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: My copy has pages numbered up through 236. Story ends on 233, Notes and Acks on 234, and an excerpt for the next volume on pages 235 and 236. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:48, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Copy has p. 234 then inside back cover so I'm going to assume, like a lot of uploaded copies that are old or ex-library, it's ragged and the last 2 pages fell out/were ripped out. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Devils'' ==<br />
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A quick note about our mutually verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178105 ''Devils'']. It turns out that the artist's initials, "JK", appear in the lower right corner, although they are hard to see. The Notes field has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:34, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conjurer's Curse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262265; I let another PV know that they had 2 books in the Belmont New Shadow series that now have unstable Amazon "G" images that should be replaced; a search reveals that this book that you PV is the only other one with a "G" so maybe you can replace it with Bookscans cover on this page, http://bookscans.com/Publishers/belmont/belmont3.htm, or somewhere else if you can find a better one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:45, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I've replaced it with a scan of my copy's cover. (when edit is accepted). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 01:19, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Freeman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40206; Archive.org copy linked in my PENDING edit, ISBN on inside front cover and back cover is OK but the one on copyright page is wrong, 21674 instead of 26174, if yours is the same you may want to mention that in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:46, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:12, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chromosomal Code ==<br />
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You are a PV for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37082 I just submitted this edit to moderators: Submitting External ID (Goodreads) & web page 1 (a statement from the author on how he wrote this novel). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:59, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Five Worlds ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801798; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801801; I have PENDING edits for 2 of the books in Al Sarrantonio's Five Worlds trilogy; #2, Journey, is not to be found so hopefully someone will upload it soon so people can read the series in order. You wouldn't happen to have a copy, would you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:26, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have a copy of Journey, as I've PVed it. What do you mean by uploading it? It's under copyright. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:02, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Just noticed the archive.org site mentioned. Not sure what to think about it. Seems a bit sketchy. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:05, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Masters of Mars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25817; I added archived link to Queen back in May, just added link in a PENDING edit to Haydn (which was uploaded in 2011 so I'm not sure why I didn't add that link when I added Queen), but, as with his Five Worlds series, #2, Sebastian, is missing. Do you have a copy? Also, title dates and book dates for the Mars books don't match so either dates on copyright pages or Amazon dates should be used for all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:38, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have copies of all the books in this series. (All PV'd by me). The dates on the pub records match the dates on the copyright pages. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:08, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Survival Margin ==<br />
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● I added a new cover image to your verified listing of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269091 Survival Margin] from my copy. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 04:49, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Did You Say Chicks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10111; Archive.org copy uploaded way back in 2011 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; editor has no middle initial on title page or anywhere else except contents page and editor's story's title page so editor's name should be fixed if your copy is the same. Also, ISBN on copyright page and back cover are different so a note should be made of that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:44, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duplicate Reginald Numbers ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG -<br />
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I'm going to add a note to your verified record {{P|3346|Aubade for Gamelon}}. The catalog number assigned for your publication in {{Reginald3}} is also assigned to a second book. There are a few of these mistakes in Reginald and I'm adding notes cross referencing the two publications. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Genesis Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15204; Rick Lieder has a few credits as by Leider here so I'm trying to make variants but for this book there's no credit inside and the cover is signed Lieder on lower right corner so I think it should be changed to that, no variant. EDIT: Oddly, this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4661, does actually credit him on copyright page and it does say Leider so I'll have to make that a variant. Also, there might be a signature on the cover next to the word Grant but it's hard to tell what it spells. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?985709; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and it says Leider with no signature on the cover that I can see. Finally, Winter Knight has Lieder on copyright page and was entered as such but this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?986241, also has Lieder, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/aqQAAOSwUbpgxW7y/s-l1600.jpg], but was entered here as Leider so that should be changed, too, no variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best Time Travel Stories of All Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35928; I have 2 PENDING edits adding Archive.org links to both editions of this book and the PB says "December 2003" on copyright page, not March 2004. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:19, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nine Horrors and a Dream Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24316; While doing some J. P. Brennan edits I noticed FantLab's cover was a bit better (bigger and better-framed; ID fully visible on top left) so I replaced Bookscans cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:49, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyteen hardcover ==<br />
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Would you object if I make the following changes to the hardcover edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen]? Change the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Whoops! I was just reminded that these should be Roman numerals in this case. So the page count would be [vii]+680 and the maps would be on [vi] and [vii]. Sorry for any confusion! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:13, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:28, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Juggler ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42347; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link, LCCN, and $5.95 price. You entered Canadian price correctly in the notes so I assume your entry of $4.95 for the US price was just a mistake and it doesn't say that in your copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:47, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Not needed, I fixed price in my edit as explained above so when yours comes up in the queue mod will just reject it with an "already done" note, I was just letting you know because you are the PV; I assume since you did make the edit that it really is $5.95 (if it isn't I'd just cancel my edit and do it over without fixing the price). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Empire by Orson Scott Card ==<br />
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Added an image for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219865 your verified pub]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:05, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Messiah Stone ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=messiah-stone; 5 PV, you're the only active one, as can be seen in the archived copy it does not say "second printing" on copyright page but number line does end with a 2. Does this look like your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:57, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: Yes, my copy only has the number line ending in 2. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks, I'll add the archived link, one of the other PV must have added the wrong info (or maybe they have some copy that actually says second printing, we'll probably never know because 2 are deceased and 2 have been gone from here for years). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sherwood Game ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47066; No M. on title page. EDIT: Cover is bad with name on top hard to see; new one should be uploaded. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Glenn<br />
:I've double checked my copy and I'm going to proceed with changing the author credit. Let me know if you have any concerns about that change. There is a bit of scratching on the cover of my copy and I'm not really able to get a better scan of the cover. I've no objections if you can get a better scan and wish to replace the existing one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:17, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I had to use my light box to get a plausible scan of the cover. Metallic ink covers are a pain to deal with. Uploaded. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:50, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Child of the Eagle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6779; No M. on title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Glenn<br />
:I'm changing this one too after checking my copy. Again, let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:21, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Edwin Herdes? ==<br />
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Hi! Is it really Herdes who is credited with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1158 this publication]? (Later publications in the title series have Edwin Herder). If you have the time to look it up: that'd be appreciated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: "Cover illustration by Edwin Herdes" on copyright page for my copy. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:24, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Also Herdes on copyright page of Archive.org copy which I linked to in a PENDING edit. Also linked 2nd novel in the series which says Herder. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:27, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Conan and the Amazon ==<br />
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Does {{P|218737|Conan and the Amazon}} have a date for the second printing? You typically note all printing statements and you didn't add one in your submission. If not, I will add a pub note stating the source is Locus1 (I double checked that was the source). Let me know. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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Same question with {{P|332203|Conan the Formidable}} & {{P|208345|Conan the Relentless}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:55, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: No date specified in the book. Just the number line. I've dithered about later printings with specific dates, but providence not specified in the notes.<br />
: Sometimes I've taken the approach of (approximately) "Publication date from mysterious source, confirmed by Amazon.com as of xxxx-xx-xx". <br />
: Sometimes I just don't note it at all. <br />
: However, I do look through the edit history, and if I can find where the date got added to the record, and the source is noted, I'll add that. But usually it's a change with no source info.<br />
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: Suggestions? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::If you can find a source, you can just use the source so for your example above I would make it "Publication date from Amazon.com as of xxxx-xx-xx". If you cannot find a source, I would put "Source of publication date unknown". Both make it clear that there was not a date in the pub and it is coming from a secondary source. If the pub has a Locus1 secondary verification, then the source is likely from [https://www.locusmag.com/index/ here]. That is where I found these three. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:20, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Cancelling Submissions ==<br />
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In processing your last batch of submissions, I came across a couple of cases where you had duplicative submissions. In both cases, it seemed there was an error in the first one so you submitted a second one without the error. If this happens again, it would help if you cancel the first submission. That makes it much easier to moderate. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:27, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: That's normally my process. Sorry I missed a few. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:14, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== In the Light of Sigma Draconis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1452<br />
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hello there i'm asking the other active pv and you if you mind if I Make a couple of changes to this book which I own ie change the page number to xvi+237 and say that the last unnumbered page has an illustration of the starship described in appendix B. Also change the page number for the start of the novel to xii as it starts with a poem on this page and then has xiii-xv as a prologue. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:08, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XVIII ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34048; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit noticed 320 page count was wrong so fixed it to 308. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:07, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XIX ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34041; I added archived link, uploader noted wrong page and they're right, what should be p. 149 is actually p. 151, so you may want to write a note about that if it's the same in your copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:25, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bard III ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3594; Cover is unstable so I replaced it in a PENDING edit with current Amazon cover which looks good and shows more of the art on the right side. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Dhampire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10072; The artist is mentioned in the comment link but was never entered in the record so you may want to do that and cut-and-paste the comment note into the record's note; also, the image is unstable so you could replace that if you can find one as good or better. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Edit and cover scan submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 03:12, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Microcosm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216925; PENDING edit with archived link and fixed page count of 339. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:37, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bone Doll's Twin - verify cover art on your edition ==<br />
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Hi there, before I do any cover image update on the pub, I'm double checking with the other active verifiers of Bone Doll's Twin 1st edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36253 mass market paperback] - would you be able to double check that your edition has the gold-backed title like this amazon image? [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71e9CvGwKTL.jpg]. My library copy does, which is why I'm looking to correct the one the pub is showing. To my knowledge the black-backed title on the cover is from later printings. Thanks! [[User:Kapotun|Kapotun]] ([[User talk:Kapotun|talk]]) 19:07, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has white lettering on a metallic gold background. I've recently gotten a better light box and can get a reasonable cover image for the publication record. New image uploaded. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 04:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for confirming and uploading the new image! [[User:Kapotun|Kapotun]] ([[User talk:Kapotun|talk]]) 10:05, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / With a Finger in My I ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55056 With a Finger in My I] and propose to: 1) change the coverart record to the name as stated in book and make "Mati Klarwen" an alternate name of "Mati Klarwein". 2) Change story title "The Crystal Castle" to "This Crystal Castle". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 10:05, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:13, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Best Science Fiction of the Year #4 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4166<br />
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hi there i'm just letting the active pvs know that i'm correcting the note for this one where it says 25429 to 24529 [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:01, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / A Season for Slaughter ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1097 A Season for Slaughter] and will add in the interview on page 557. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:16, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SWVSS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30563; Archive.org link added in PENDING edit, copyright page says art by G-Force Design so either they should be added as cover artist or at least mentioned in a note, they have several ISFDB credits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:41, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Phantoms of the Night ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895535; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit I made some changes fixing Cantrell name, Morgan name/title, 2 missing story lengths. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Witch of the Dark Gate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?237429; PENDING Archive.org link, fixed count to 175. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Beyond ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of: Rudam, Dirk P Broer, Spacecow, GlennMcG<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4294 Beyond]. The only source for the cover artist is the abbreviated signature "Suss" on the artwork itself. In this situation, the coverart record should be under the artist's canonical name, not an alternate name. Hence I will change the coverart record from "Beyond by Art Sussman [as by Arthur Sussman]" to "Beyond by Art Sussman"<br />
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FYI: coincidentally, there is a current discussion related to this topic (but for a different publication) [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Secondary_source_artist_credit_in_face_of_credit_change_over_time here]. In his post at 11:33, 19 February 2024 (EST), Ahasuerus has created a very useful table showing 'What we enter in the "Artist" field'. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:45, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Some of Your Blood ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?230029 Some of Your Blood] and will supply the month: 1961-01-00 and state the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360893 Galactic Central Bibliography]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:35, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Future Crimes ==<br />
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I accepted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5810380 this edit] based on the Internet Archive scan which shows the Roman numerals. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:52, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Return ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801801 this edit] which I am holding that impacts your verified pub. Do you agree with the addition of the author's note? I assume it was based on the Internet Archive scan, but the scan is now showing as "Borrow Unavailable" so I cannot confirm that. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:https://archive.org/details/return00sarr/page/283/mode/1up?q=author%27s&view=theater. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:31, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ''Cyber Way'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted a couple of submissions adjusting the page count and importing a trailing Author's Note in your verified {{P|8489|Cyber Way}}. Please review and adjust if necessary. I am leaving this same note for the other active PVer as well. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:57, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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== The Howard Collector ==<br />
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I have recently entered the fanzine The Howard Collector. Two things bothered me about your verified pub http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181381 of the same name. The major problem is that the contents you verified show "Letters" on page 172 (through 191). Without the letters listed individually, I can't merge the individual letters from the fanzine with those in the book. Note that some of the letters will need identification beyond to whom they were addressed and when because there was no known date (particularly on letter to Harold Preece), so the first words are probably needed in the title. Incidentally, these letters also appear in other pubs. A less major problem was your classifying the item "Kelly the Conjure-Man" as a short story. Others have done so as well, but it seems to me that this isn't really meant to be fiction, but local history. Howard frequently related such folklore in his letters. So I classified the item as an essay rather than as shortfiction. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:07, 13 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Chessmen of Mars ==<br />
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I have been adding the essay "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1427812 Jetan, or Martian Chess]" to the US editions of Burroughs' ''The Chessmen of Mars'' per Henry Hardy Heins' ''A Golden Anniversary Bibliography of Edgar Rice Burroughs''. Heins states that the 1963 Ballantine edition includes this appendix. Could you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177933 your copy] for this appendix? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:12, 22 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Were-Creature ==<br />
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Would you check on the name of the story "The Were-Creature" in http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50755 The Year's Best Horror Stories No. 3? The magazine from which the story came does not use "The". [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 01:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Song of Horsa's Galle[r]y" in ''The Second Book of Robert E. Howard'' ==<br />
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Hi. If you happen to see this, would you check {{T|528885|The Song of Horsa's Gallery}} in your verified {{P|180181|The Second Book of Robert E. Howard}} for perhaps being "Galley", with no "r", as in the type of ship? We also have {{T|1422836|The Song of Horsa's Galley}}, and I've confirmed the r-less spelling of that one with the sole verifier. I'm checking with [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]], who verified the 1st printing of your book. If he agrees it's r-less, and I don't hear from you, I'll merge away the "r" version. Otherwise, I'll make a variant. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Guns of Khartoum ==<br />
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You verified the second printing of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180181 The Second Book of Robert E. Howard. That pub contains the above story as "Guns of Khartum" which is a misspelling. Could you confirm if the story is misspelled in the book? Thanks. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Apparently Howard misspelled Khartoum, either deliberately or in error, and all but one subsequent pub with the story kept Howard's spelling. That one is "REH: Lone Star Fictioneer #3", where they changed both the title and the spelling in the text. I'll make that one a variant. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 21:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Dwellers Under the Tomb[s]" in ''Black Canaan'' ==<br />
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Hi. Would you check whether {{T|63618|The Dwellers Under the Tombs}} in your verified {{P|4599|Black Canaan}} has that final "s"? We have {{T|1004135|The Dwellers Under the Tomb}} in several pubs, one of which I was able to check via Amazon Look Inside, so I know the singular is correct in at least some cases. I just can't tell if the one from your pub is a typo or a variant. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Playing Santa Claus[e]" ==<br />
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Hi. If you see this, would you check the spelling of {{T|75569|Playing Santa Clause}} in your verified {{P|180185|The Incredible Adventures of Dennis Dorgan}} and see if perhaps there is no "e"? The sole verifier of a publication with the {{T|701217|e-less version}} confirms no "e" there. I'm checking with [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]], who verified a different printing of your book. If he agrees it's e-less, and I don't hear from you, I'll merge away the "e" version. Otherwise, I'll make a variant. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:40, 19 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Chaosium's Cthulhu Cycle Books ==<br />
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I'm converting the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?9149 Cthulhu Cycle] series into a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1744 publication series] and you have verified several books in that series. I'll be making that change to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185061 The Shub-Niggurath Cycle]'', ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185057 The Azathoth Cycle]'', ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35690 The Disciples of Cthulhu]'', ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55648 The Xothic Legend Cycle]'' and ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24639 The Nyarlathotep Cycle]''. I'm making assumptions that the last two in that list are numbers 13 and 14 respectively in the series. I know that at some point Chaosium stopped numbering the Cycle books, but I'm not sure when that occurred. I know you don't check in here often, but if you could check that I got those numbers right when you do. I'd appreciate it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I added an item for the interior art for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185061 The Shub-Niggurath Cycle]'', having acquired a copy. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:59, 7 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Eyes of the Overworld ==<br />
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This "novel" by Jack Vance (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39416) is made up of novelettes and short stories that have been published elsewhere, all but one ("Cil") prior to publication in this book. Shouldn't these stories be treated as contents? I've just entered the Underwood-Miller version, and have the Gregg version to enter as well. I've entered the stories as contents for the UM, and intend to import the contents for the Gregg. If you feel this is a problem, please let me know. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:00, 4 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== (A) Fighting Man of Mars ==<br />
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I've added a cover scan to your copy of Burroughs' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107771 Fighting Man of Mars]''. I also have a question about this one. I can see that the cover omits the "A" from the title and the title of the publication record reflects this. However, it isn't under a variant of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68 A Fighting Man of Mars]''. Could you check the title page and see how the title is reflected there? If it is missing the "A" then we should probably set up a variant title. If not, we should correct the publication record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:54, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist for ''The Sword and the Stallion'' ==<br />
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Hi. Would you check the cover artist credit for your verified 1974 {{P|142361|The Sword and the Stallion}}? I'm wondering if it might be "Johns'''<u>t</u>'''on instead of "Johnson". I am also checking with [[User:Uzume|Uzume]]. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cormac Mac Art ==<br />
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I added/changed a couple of things to your entry for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?118771 Cormac Mac Art]. First, I added the xiv pages to the page numbers. Second, I disambiguated the "A Note on the Text" by adding the pub title. I don't know if this title was used again, but just in case. Third, I changed "Introduction (Cormac Mac Art)" to "Introduction: Ancient History" as Drake titled it. Of course, if you disagree with any of these changes, please feel free to change them back. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Azathoth Cycle ==<br />
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I'm going to correct the title of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?554753 introduction] to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185057 The Azathoth Cycle]'' to match the title as it appears in the book (it is currently titled simply "Introduction"). I'm also going to add an interior art item for the chapter decorations and mention the number line in the notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:07, 12 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Winfield (In)Heritance ==<br />
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I changed the title of the Lin Carter story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55648 this verified pub] from "The Winfield Heritance" to "The Winfield Inheritance". Locus1 has it this way, and the original publication in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54151 Weird Tales #3] too. Please check the collection if you have the opportunity. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:55, 13 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Nyarlathotep Cycle ==<br />
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I'm making several changes to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24639 Nyarlathotep Cycle]'':<br />
#I'm changing the name from "Nyarlathotep Cycle: Tales about the God of a Thousand Forms" to "The Nyarlathotep Cycle: The God of a Thousand Forms" which is how it appears on the title page.<br />
#I've added the Roman numbered page to the page count.<br />
#I've added to the notes and linked to the OCLC record.<br />
#I've added an item for the interior art.<br />
#I've changed the title of the introduction to match that in the book.<br />
#I've changed the form of Lord Dunany's name to that used on the stories' title pages.<br />
Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:38, 4 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Great Short Novels of Adult Fantasy (I) ==<br />
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I added notes to Carter's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15932 Great Short Novels of Adult Fantasy]''. I additionally removed the Roman number from the title as it is not reflected on the title page. I probably wouldn't have noticed if not for the difference in titles being mentioned in the Bleiler review that I added to the notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hyborian Age ==<br />
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I would like to reclassify "The Hyborian Age" from ESSAY to SHORTFICTION. The piece is obviously fiction; there are two pubs containing this content that I don't believe should be called NONFICTION based on the label ESSAY on "The Hyborian Age". You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179769 Skull-Face Omnibus Volume 3] with this content. Please comment on the proposed reclassification at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Trumpet_.2310 my page]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 03:18, 8 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Worm Ouroboros ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?109441 this book]. Could you check the year and ISBN please. My "Reprinted 1972" Pan/Ballantine edition priced at 50p has SBN 345-09470-8 printed on the back cover with "Printed in England" in a black rectangular box at the bottom. Pan logo only on bottom of spine. Thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:29, 16 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks for checking. Looks like I have an earlier edition than yours. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:07, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Banshee ==<br />
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Can you tell me if "The Banshee" on page 247 of your verified {{P|167131|Shapes of the Supernatural}} is the same as [http://www.classicreader.com/book/2993/1/ this story]? Thanks.<br />
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== Looking for Jake -possible title merge? ==<br />
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I'm verifying my edition of your PV1 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88592<i>Looking for Jake</I>], but see that yours appears to be identical to this unverified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?200417 edition]. The only difference I can find is that the other book has the artwork for the story 'On the way to the Front' listed in Contents, but doesn't have the month in the Year date box. Your listing doesn't show the artwork, but does show the month (September, which is confirmed on Locus1). Whoever put the other book on the system has a note about the cover art, but both covers, and mine, do show what he says the cover should so. The other note just describes the graphic story.<br />
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Could your check your copy for artwork? If it's the same, it seem that the two titles could be merged. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 11:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Green Brain - publication date? ==<br />
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My copy of <I>The Green Brain</I> seems identical to your PV1'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?109061<i>The Green Brain</I>], but could I check the date with you? The copyright page in my book reads as follows:<br />
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FIRST NEL PAPERBACK EDITION JULY 1973<br />
Reprinted September 1973<br />
This new edition April 1975<br />
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This agrees with the 1975-04-00 date you have in metadata, but I wondered why the pub note states that your pub date came from another edition, the 1979 NEL hardcover, rather than from your own book, as above in mine, unless that is not in your book. Could you confirm what is on your copyright page, so I know whether to verify or do a new pub? Thanks, [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 22:48, 12 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man - Year and pub notes ==<br />
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I've amended the 'Year' field in your PV1'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3935<i>Behold the Man</I>] to show the date from Locus1, and added pub notes on Locus1, cover art credit and pricing. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 22:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== James Herbert's '48 ==<br />
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I'd like to add the Author's Note to your verified pub of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13 '48]. It appears on an unnumbered page after the novel. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 13:08, 28 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Chinese Agent ==<br />
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I updated the cover artist for Moorcock's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37067 The Chinese Agent]'' per [[User talk:Rtrace#The Chinese Agent|this discussion]]. I also added a link to the Worldcat record while I was in there. Do you have any idea why we have a 1971 date? I don't see anything in the book to support it. I'm cross-posting this on the other verifier's page. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:38, 13 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Anxiety in the Eyes of a Cricket ==<br />
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You have verified {{P|157521|this publication}} containing {{T|331111|The Anxiety in the Eyes of a Cricket}} and {{P|120231|this publication}} containing {{T|57710|The Anxiety in the Eyes of the Cricket}}. Would you please check to see if these are the same story and either variant them or add notes stating they are different as appropriate? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:13, 29 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Death Trance ==<br />
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Hi. I added a note to your pv'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9548 pub]. I was verifying OCLC and they showed a different page count than your copy. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 07:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== from a buick 8 ==<br />
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hi, i was going to add a few notes to from a buick 8, like first printing by number line etc, and since you're the primary verifier i wanted go get your OK. thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 16:38, 2 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Conjure Wife ==<br />
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My copy of {{P|112641|Conjure Wife}} has a different copyright page to this one. There is no mention of <I>First published April 1943 in Unknown Worlds magazine</I>, mine states <I>First published in the U.S.A. by Twayne Publishers, Inc., 1953</I>. The printing date in my copy states <I>Published in Penguin Books 1969</I>, month is not included. The Back Cover of my copy states "<I>Cover design by Franco Grignani</I>. As he is only credited as the Designer he shouldn't be listed as the Cover Artist. Should I create a clone or should the Notes be changed? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 18:14, 21 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Wanderer ==<br />
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The Cover Artist for {{P|109751|The Wanderer}} should not be identified as <I>Franco Grignani</I> as he is only credited on the back cover as the designer not the illustrator. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 16:59, 22 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Equal Rites ==<br />
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Can you please check your cover art of this version of {{P|144711|Equal Rites}}. My copy, which matches the Printing History, is the same as the cover {{P|12497|here}}. If the cover art is not right then I will upload a scan of my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 17:59, 17 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Story missing from ''Feelings of Fear''? ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|170191|Feelings of Fear}}, is there perhaps another story, "Road Kill", between "Out of Her Depth" and "Lolicia"? The Amazon Look Insides for this later {{P|475458|ebook edition}} and {{P|390356|tp edition}} has that. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:18, 25 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Legends for the Dark ==<br />
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I was hoping you could check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20144 your copy] to verify whether the translation for ''The Ordeal of Doctor Trifulgas'' in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94822 title note] was correct. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:08, 3 March 2019 (EST)<br />
: It has a note "(A new translation from the French)" and starts with "It is a terrible night, the wind is on the rampage and the rain is falling in torrents." --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 18:59, 13 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
::If you've no objection, I'll separate the story title out out and note the translation. It shouldn't affect the publication. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:19, 16 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Yes, that's fine. --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 04:16, 24 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''The Count of Eleven'' cover art ==<br />
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Hi. I have added cover artist (David Kearney) to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178169 your verified], as per other editions. Cheers ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 08:00, 13 August 2019 (EDT).<br />
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== Master Mind of Mars ==<br />
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Edited notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107781 this] to add full printing history --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:57, 7 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Moon Men ==<br />
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Added cover scan and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107531 this] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:12, 7 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Dr. Caligari's Black Book ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126061 this] is Bruce Pennington, according to the checklist in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411890 Pennington: A Portrait of a Master Fantasy Artist]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 03:48, 15 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Panther Granada ==<br />
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Hi, with regard to the conversation here [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#.22Panther_Granada.22_and_.22Panther_.2F_Granada.22__-__Imprint_.2F_Publisher], you are PV {{P|145831|here}}.<br />
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If you see this, could you please check and let me know whether you agree to a publisher change to "Panther / Granada". Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 23:23, 4 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Legends from the End of Time ==<br />
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Changed the image on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?155381 this] pub from a later paperback to the hardcover British edition. The image was added after your verification and I can see no notification of this on your talk page. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:15, 10 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Plato Papers ==<br />
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Added a cover image and expanded the notes for our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45391 The Plato Papers]. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 05:21, 8 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The City in the Autumn Stars ==<br />
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Added a cover scan for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37164 The City in the Autumn Stars]. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 03:30, 12 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Weird Tales Vol 1 ==<br />
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Finally found cover art attribution for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54164 this]. Les Edwards, of course. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 17:40, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Philosopher's Stone ==<br />
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Hi, did you attribute [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108981 this] cover art to Bob Fowke? The art has some typical Bob Haberfield signatures. Look at the eye between the stones, it's the same style as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521711 An Alien Heat], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?162851 A Mirror for Observers], Dagon, and several other Haberfield covers. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 06:08, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.goodshowsir.co.uk/?tag=bob-fowke This site] seems to think it's Bob Fowke. Attribution to either Fowke or Habberfield is speculative at best. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 06:58, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Nightmare Reader Vol 1 ==<br />
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Hi, where does the cover art credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44698 this] from? Cover artist should be Alan Lee, see [http://www.stephenjoneseditor.com/wfc2013/goh-alee01.html www.stephenjoneseditor.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 08:28, 9 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia Maid of Mars ==<br />
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Cover art credit Bruce Pennington for Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107721 pv pub] from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411890 Pennington: A Portrait of a Master Fantasy Artist]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:00, 12 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Pirates of Venus ==<br />
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Added printing history to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107671 this] publication.--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:15, 19 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Earth Abides ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151871 this] in reference to the colour of the cover. Some Corgi SF Collector's Library editions have blue stippled covers, some purple. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 06:45, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark Dance ==<br />
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Added cover art credit to {{P|8794|Dark Dance}} with notes for sourcing [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 11:31, 5 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Land Leviathan ==<br />
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Please [[User_talk:Ppint.pinto#The_Land_Leviathan|come participate in this discussion]] regarding your verified publication. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:24, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Just following up in case you become active again. If you do, I'd appreciate you commenting [[User_talk:Ppint.pinto#The_Land_Leviathan|come here]]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:17, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Horror in the Burying Ground ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122081 this] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:48, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Soldier of Arete ==<br />
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Amended note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31023 this] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:52, 13 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia[,] Maid of Mars ==<br />
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Please visit [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Holmesd#Thuvia.5B.2C.5D_Maid_of_Mars my talk page] regarding the presence/absence of a comma in the title of the NEL edition of Thuvia Maid of Mars you PV'd. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:07, 31 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Claw ==<br />
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I saw you were around a few days ago so leaving a message (and welcome back)! A bit of an update to one of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5099503 verified]. As the title page was visible, I went and approved it but if you do have a different version, let me know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:34, 27 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Boats of the 'Glen Carrig' ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36230 this] is Luis Rey stated on rear cover. I've also added notes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:18, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Opium General ==<br />
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You've verified two editions of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37787 The Opium General]''. I'm going to change the title to append "and Other Stories". It appears this way on the Harrap edition, and for the Grafton one, it appears that way in Worldcat as well as on the cover. I'm assuming that the title page agrees. Aside from that, I'll be adding the introduction to the Harrap edition which we're missing. It seems you are here infrequently, but do reach out to me if you have any problems or questions about these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:29, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Synthetic Men of Mars ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288445 this] is credited to Richard Clifton-Dey on the [https://www.erbzine.com/mag7/0737.html ERB Webzine site] (2nd image from the bottom). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:11, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pratchett & Gaiman / Good Omens ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?145541 Good Omens] and will make changes as discussed on the Moderators Noticeboard [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Pratchett_.26_Gaiman_.2F_Good_Omens here]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 14:13, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:That's fine, thanks for fixing it [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 12:56, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Legends for the Dark (addendum) ==<br />
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I have modified the title record for one of the stories in your PVed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20144 Legends of the Dark], specifically [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2526878 The Ordeal of Doctor Trifulgas]. I have included the opening lines to help differentiate the translation, for which this is the only known publication. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 11:40, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Another message with same title from years ago up above; you may want to add something to this one's title so people clicking won't go to the old one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:07, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Inactive user" header ==<br />
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Welcome back! I see that you have responded to a few queries, uploaded a couple of scans and created 4 submissions over the last week or so. Would you like to have the "Inactive user" header removed from this Talk page? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:56, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Yeah, may make sense. I'll see if I can do some catching up. [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 15:25, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Great! [[Rules and standards changelog]] may be a good place to visit. Feel free to ask any questions that may come up! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:18, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Casablanca ==<br />
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Hi Unapersson <br />
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I happened upon the Locus1 record for Moorcock's {{P|107101|Casablanca}}, which you've verified. Locus has the publication month as December, 1989. Do you have any objections if I add the month and note the source? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:52, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Similar question for {{P|37164|The City in the Autumn Stars}}, where Locus1 has the publication month as April 1986. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:11, 16 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: That's fine. The book itself doesn't have that level of detail [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 10:58, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I found another one of these where Locus has the month. For {{P|33268|Stitch}}, there's a scan of the book, so I can tell that the month isn't mentioned. I'll go ahead and add the month and note the source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Metatemporal Detective ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5656672; Just checking if your PV copy has that odd number line with the missing number? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:25, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yes it does, just the same [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 07:17, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Darkest Road ==<br />
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Hello. You have a copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?145501 this] book. I picked up a copy yesterday and need to check with you. Mine has "Reprinted 1989 (twice)" on copyright page. Is yours the same ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:27, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Mine says "Reprinted in 1989". So I'll add a the note to it and you can clone that pub for the 2nd reprint. [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 13:32, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great. Thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:47, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== NotC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44533; There is a Library of Congress record for this which says there are viii pages of Roman numerals so if your copy has those you may want to add them to page count. Also, as so often, an editor named Bluesman added the month without any info about where they got it from, so if you can verify that's the correct month you may want to add it where appropriate. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:51, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Michael Shea / Nifft the Lean ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?122021 Nifft the Lean] and will add pub month (Feb) [source: Locus1], pub notes and page numbers of stories. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:49, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Rage ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5767052; I replaced the unstable Amazon cover of our co-PV book with one from AbeBooks which is brighter, less scratchy, and framed better. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:45, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hellbound Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24102; https://picclick.com/NIGHT-VISIONS-THE-HELLBOUND-HEART-Clive-Barker-George-RR-155434216438.html; If your copy also says March on copyright page you should add month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:02, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bloodwars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53141; I made an edit way back in August and they won't approve it so is publisher actually Roc UK and is my note about last page being unnumbered correct? Those are the only changes I made. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: All three of the Vampire Wars books are Roc UK. I'll have to dig out the book to check the unnumbered page [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 10:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Earl Aubec ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123211; I had an edit adding archived link to the '97 PB approved earlier today and I fixed "Dear Reader" in the contents to an essay and fixed the author from "Michael Michael" to Michael Moorcock. I assume your PV copy of the earlier edition says the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:08, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I should really add a cover scan at some point too, current one is for hardcover [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 10:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Twentieth Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48924; I added last 2 stories (Rip Tide, My Very Best Friend) to contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:50, 24 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Drachenfels ==<br />
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Hi, we both primary verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53806 Drachenfels], but I may have made a mistake with mine. Last month I saw some 'Warhammer' titles at a local free 2nd hand shop and decided to take them with me to compare them to my titles. Amongst them was 'Drachenfels' but there was a difference with my already existing copy. The embossed title was in black, while mine was in mauve/roze. When I passed on my edition to my nephew he remarked to me "Ah, a second printing, 1990". If you have a black embossed version I have a new cover scan for yours (I'll change my verification into transient), if you have a mauve embossed one like me, I'd like you to check my nephew's remark: is yours a second printing too? --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 15:29, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Just checked and I do have the black embossed version [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 10:04, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Nightmare Factory ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44691; I added Amazon cover which is the same as C&G cover and also added Roman numerals, xxi, to count since C&G has the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:25, 7 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Urth of the New Sun ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49207<br />
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hi there would you mind if I Replace the amazon pic with my own cover scan and add the overseas prices to the notes - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:31, 16 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: No, that's fine, the less reliance on Amazon images the better [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]])<br />
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== Best New SF 5 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?115041<br />
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Hi there as youre the other pv for this would you mind if I added the "summation" and "honourable mentions" to the contents as they're already in the american editions. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good to me [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] ([[User talk:Unapersson|talk]]) 12:28, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37978<br />
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hi there could you have a quick squint at this one please. My Copy has two different isbns. 075150050X on the copyright page and above the barcode on the back cover. also on the back cover is 0747411875 which is the one listed for the other 1992 warner edition. if yours is the same then I could add a note about it. I could import the preface, afterword and int art as well if you have no objections. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:51, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561<br />
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Hiya i'm just checking round to see if the pvs mind if I add Michael Whelans interior art for this one. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 16:32, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ''To the Vanishing Point'' ==<br />
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Hi. See your verified {{P|187597|To The Vanishing Point}} and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5860579 this submission]. Does your copy have an Oribit logo on the spine and say "Orbit Books" on the title page, as described for the Archive.org copy? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:48, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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== {{T|875023|Tales of Mystery and Revenge}} ==<br />
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How are we to know thet "Day of Vengeance" from 1948 was retitled as "The Bone Bead Necklace" for this collection?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:39, 18 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Archive.org had issues of The Saturday Evening Post which aren't there anymore. "Day of Vengeance" in the Apr 10, 1948 issue concerns a soldier in South Africa cursed by a witch doctor. Both men end up dying, but the curse is passed down over the years to the soldier's relatives. My not having a copy of Langley's 1950 collection makes it difficult to verify, but I find it hard to believe he wrote 2 stories about witch doctors cursing someone (especially since the Post story has an illustration on the 1st page of the witch doctor wearing a bone necklace). I guess someone with access to that 1948 issue and either the 1950 collection or its 1969 reprint (or Medley Macabre where the story was reprinted) will have to compare and verify. I see no mention on the web of these 2 stories being the same, so I'd be happy to be the first to notice this.[[User:Username|Username]]<br />
:: We definitely need more than just what you recollection is.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:04, 19 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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So on picclick.co.uk I discovered 1 copy of the 1950 edition, [https://picclick.co.uk/Tales-of-Mystery-and-Revenge-by-Noel-Langley-142458018002.html], and entered the page #'s on ISFDB, but noticed the acknowledgements mention 3 stories, "the Fall of the Fothergays", "Saint Wilbur", and "But a Good Cigar is a Smoke" are credited to the Saturday Evening Post. "...Fothergays" says on philsp.com it's from a 1947 issue of Woman's Journal and the other 2 stories don't have any info online verifying they're from the Post, so I think this bolsters my belief that he retitled some of his stories for book publication. I also found a weird PDF of the 1969 reprint, [http://www.sepel.uerj.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Tales-of-Mistery-and-Revenge-Noel-Langley.pdf], which has different page #'s (which I also entered on ISFDB) but the same acknowledgements. This was one of my very first edits and it still bothers me that I threw away my printout of the story from archive.org shortly before I became an editor, since the archived Post issues were taken down for some reason. There's a site, saturdayeveningpost.com, but they charge a membership fee. I'll have "Day of Vengeance" entered on ISFDB yet! --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:49, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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So I found this, [https://picclick.co.uk/Saturday-Evening-Post-April-10-1948-John-Atherton-174551293028.html]. Picture #2 shows the contents page with "Day of Vengeance" and Picture #11 shows a piece of the story on the right side. So that's proof of the story and some text for someone who has any of the books with "The Bone Bead Necklace" to compare and verify if they're the same. "Day of Vengeance" will be mine! --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:28, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Edits ==<br />
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We appreciate the information you are providing. However, instead of just submitting the info in the moderator notes, please feel free to make the necessary edits. If content needs to be added to a pub, you can edit the pub. If the same story appears under multiple titles, you can variant this to one another. There are links to the help in the welcome message above. Let us know if you have any questions ([[ISFDB:Help desk]] is a good resource for asking). We hope you will continue to contribute. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the advice. I variant titled Dat Tay Vao with Dat-Tay-Vao and Mrs Halfbooger's Basement with Mrs. Halfbooger's Basement since those 2 fixes were supposedly title-updated by you according to "My Recent Edits" but weren't actually changed at all. I figured out how to do them myself. However, both reported a Length Mismatch because the correct titles were classed as "short story" but the variants were not classed at all. I guess that's another fix I'll have to do myself for future titles. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Username|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::Sorry, about that. Looks like I hit approve instead of hold. I have been holding edits until I had a chance to make the change. I approved the variants and set the lengths on the variants. I also moved this conversation from my page over to here as, by convention, we keep conversations centralized as it makes it easier to follow. Thanks again for these contributions. I will continue to process the edits on hold. However, if you wish to do them yourselves, you can cancel the existing edit that is just a note and submit the actual change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:17, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Among the Pictures Are These: ==<br />
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As the ending colon seems likely a database typo, I have [[User_talk:SFJuggler#Among_the_Pictures_Are_These:|asked the verifier]] to double check. I will fix or variant based on the answer. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:04, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:It was a database typo and has been corrected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Stella Gibbons, a Writer and the Supernatural ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865069 This merge] would change the title in a verified pub. If you believe All Hallows #32, February 2003 used a comma instead of a subtitle (ISFDB separates subtitles from titles with a colon), you need to post at the verifiers talk page and ask them to double check. Verification means that the person has checked the record against the pub & verified it matches. It's not a perfect system as people are people and we all make errors, but ISFDB etiquette is to check with active verifiers. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== How Kank Thad Returned to Blur-Esh ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865426 This edit] will impact verified pubs. As one of the verifiers is active ([[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]]), you will need to check with them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 25 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4866416 this submission]: {{A|John Taylor}} is a UK author and {{A|John Alfred Taylor}} is a US author. They also have different birth dates. These do not seem to be the same person. Is there something I'm missing? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:37, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:I've separated out the stories per The Fiction Mags Index and other sources. There was actually a third author in there also. I've left a single story on {{A|John Taylor}} as I was unable to find anything on that one. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:10, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:: That one story I traced to [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 John Alfred Taylor].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:53, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Sorry, that was actually an essay, I'll revert it.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:56, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: We better ask the primary verifiers of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98895 Beyond this Horizon] if the two Taylor entries in this book are by the same John Taylor. Contento has them both as by John Alfred Taylor, BTW.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Good idea. [[User_talk:Stonecreek#John_Taylor|Done]] --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:16, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Stonecreek reports that there is no biographical information in ''Beyond This Horizon'', but the context makes it more likely it was the UK physicist. I have added title notes to document that. Best we can do, I think. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:44, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The W.W. II Pistol ==<br />
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I merged "The W. W. II Pistol" to "The W.W. II Pistol" as the primary verifier is no longer active to ask and the Amazon Look Inside for the verified version shows it without the space. As for first appearances, you can update the date and add a note to title records that appear in verified pubs without asking the verifier. It is only if you change the title or the author credit that verification becomes an issue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:32, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== David Byron ==<br />
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Given this is a common name, do you know if all the titles at {{A|David Byron}} are from the same person? I would like to ensure we don't have multiple people here before updating. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:59, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Plagiarism ==<br />
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Hi, If you feel -rather: if you can prove- that a given story is a plagiarism, please enter that information -accompanied by links in the <a href="link">information</a> format- in the note field of that particular story and submit that, instead of starting a story in an author change request.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:17, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Username, when someone asks you a question (like above), please answer the question on the wiki. There are multiple moderators and when you put answers in the moderator notes, different people will be reading them which makes it very confusing. In fact, if you are not submitting a change (i.e. only have moderator notes), then it doesn't belong in a database submission. It would be better posted at the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Pseudonyms / alternate names ==<br />
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Hi, and a belated welcome. I processed your submissions related to alternate names for {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}. They were fine, but one gotcha to be aware of when working with alternate names: Simply establishing one exisiting name as an alternate of a canonical name is not enough to get the bibliographies organized appropriately. For each of the pseudonyms/alternates, you also need to go through the bibliography of titles credited using that name and make them variants of new titles credited to the canonical name. So, for example, where you made {{A|R. S. Connett}} an alternate name of {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}, the cover art title {{T|1296305|I'll Be Damned}} needed to be made a variant of a new parent title with all of the particulars identical, but the "R. S. Connett" credit replaced with "Robert Steven Connett". That gets {{T|2816878|this result}}. (If we already have a record for the same title credited to the canonical name, there is an option link to it instead of creating a new one.)<br />
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If the alternate name relationship already exists, you can tell which titles are missing the variant-to-canonical-parent because they are still visible by default on the alternate name's bibliography page. Once a variant is in place, they are hidden (you can see them by choosing the "View all titles published using this alternate name" link).<br />
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You can make the variants without waiting for the alternate name relationship establishment to be approved, so you can do them at the same time. It makes life easiest on the moderators if you first submit the alternate name edit and next submit the new variant(s) -- then it's easy to see what you're doing and is also easy to see that the moderator doesn't need to go add the variants.<br />
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I took care of these, so just something to keep in mind for the future. If you run into this situation again, give it a try, and if you need any help just ask. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:19, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt) spelling ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_update.cgi?4871401 submission] has been placed on hold. As the work "Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt)" is in a book that has [[User:Marc Kupper|a primary verifier]], what needs to happen is that you contact him and ask him to verify the spelling of the title in his copy of the work. I've asked Marc to comment here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:16, 6 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Removing first appearance notes ==<br />
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While these are not necessary, they confirm that what we have as a first appearance of a story is indeed its first and we are not missing earlier editions and/or appearances. So I would not remove them -- I am going to reject all of your edits that are trying to do that. I would not go and add that as a note but if someone had added it after doing the research for it, I will leave it in place. Thanks for the understanding. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:36, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Britannica Castle ==<br />
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I don't see why you need to variant this title. It is apparently a series, so the other similar titles may be different stories. Only if you know the contents of the stories do you need to worry about creating variants. Clearly, some of them are already variants; I guess I would accept what is already in the data base. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Horror: The Best of the Year ==<br />
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List the stories you know in the contents and the authors where you don't know the stories in the notes for the pub, with something like "The following authors are known (from what source) to have stories in the anthology, but the titles of their stories are unknown:<br />
". [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 21:00, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon images ==<br />
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When you use Amazon images, like that for "In Flagrant Delight", remove the part between the two underlines, eg. "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg" should be changed to "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL.jpg". I've corrected a couple for you. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:36, 12 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Importing content into The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to import content into ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784537 The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary]''. The collection is under a variant name, "Augustus Jessopp, D. D." whereas the stories you are importing are under the parent name "Augustus Jessopp". Unless each of the individual stories has a different byline on their title pages, the form of the author's name should match that of the collection. However, that situation is unusual. Let me know if that's actually the case. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Some ancient archived magazine from 1883 I found on Google lists the only story by Jessopp on ISFDB, "An Antiquary's Ghost Story", with the D.D. although ISFDB does not. The collection by him uses the D.D. on the cover so I suppose all stories should be under that name, too. Also, richarddalbyslibrary.com gives more info about this book including an introduction by J.A. Salmonson and a preface by the author.--[[User:Username|Username]] 11:07, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::That's all fine. We just need to have the version of each story reflect the author credit as it appears in the publication where you find it. So four stories you added need to have the author credit as "Augustus Jessopp, D. D.". This means that you can't import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?802837 this story], because the author credit lacks the "D.D.". What you want to do is just edit the publication adding all four stories manually with the correct credit. Then you need to make each of those stories a variant. For the one that we have without the "D.D.", you do that by Option 1 in the make variant tool and providing the title number of the parent version (802837). For the other three stories, you should use option 2 and create a new title with the parent name without the "D.D". This should also be done for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2753001 title record] for the collection itself. You can also add the Salmonson introduction, though if she is credited as "J. A.", it would be another variant situation as her canonical name is "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1180 Jessica Amanda Salmonson]". Please let me know if you need any help in creating these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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Turns out it's a good thing I didn't follow your instructions, not that I understood them anyway. I was going to just put a link in the book's notes to the page on richarddalbyslibrary.com so people could see the contents until I noticed the damn page has a completely different book title in the URL. Apparently that website is just as careless with info as many of the people who edit on ISFDB, who just lazily copy info they find on the web without double-checking other sources to make sure what they're entering is accurate. Searching for another page about the book, I found one on lwcurrey.com that revealed there's only 2 stories in the book and the other stuff is all articles about supernatural phenomena. So I will enter a note about all this in the record for this title.--[[User:Username|Username]] 18:26, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Foreward / Foreword ==<br />
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Hi, I got your meaning in the 2nd round -but it gave me a chance to correct the nine 'Foreword' entries as well.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:37, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sources ==<br />
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When adding details to an author like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?84861 William Castle], please note the sources you are using either by adding the site to the Web Pages (I added Wiki and IMDB as both confirm your data) or in the Moderator notes - it saves time when the verification is being done. Plus if you add them to the Web pages, people can see where the data came from without needing to go through the Edit history. While Wiki is usually a fast guess, sometimes the sources are more obscure (and as such harder to be found later). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Wikipedia and IMDB are almost as bad as Amazon when it comes to incorrect info, which is saying a lot, so I would never trust anything I read on those sites and copy info from them like so many other editors on here do. I find more reliable sources, usually in archive.org or other obscure places, and I don't link those sites because I have no idea if the site wants to be linked here or not, unlike "Wiki and IMDB" which everyone "borrows" info from.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: So what were your sources for this edit then? Data with no sources should be rejected. I will start doing that instead of trying to complete your incomplete updates. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Please note that, as is repeatedly emphasized in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]], editors should explain their sources in the Note field. In addition to the Note fields, which exist in all ISFDB record types (author records, publication records, title records, etc), we also use a number of other ways to indicate the sources of our bibliographic information: primary verifications, secondary verifications, External IDs.<br />
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::: Consider [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185757 this record], whose Note field reads "No publication date stated. The stated copyright date is 1966. Reginald-1 gives the publication year as 1971." It clearly explains what information is stated in the publication and what information was taken from a secondary source, in this case Reginald-1. (Certain old ISFDB records from before ca. 2006 do not state their sources; some of our editors are working on updating them as time permits.)<br />
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::: Please make sure to state your sources going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:02, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Transient verifications and formats ==<br />
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As a verification implies access to the book/magazine you are verifying and there is no note that you are working from a clipped/rebound copy [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819550 here], can you please fill in the format of the magazine? Especially for a transient verification - you may not have access to it later on. If you are working off complete scans or rebound magazine archive (so the format is harder to be determined), add a note to that effect to the publication so that is clear. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:42, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Naught But a Shadow ==<br />
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Fixed the format on your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819551 here]. "pb" is for American style paperbacks; all other paperbacks are "tp". A 5x8 inches paperback will always be a tp. The full help page is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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If that's what you think best, that's fine. I was basing it on the fact that every online mention of this book at reputable booksellers like Barnes & Noble refers to it as a paperback and not one calls it a trade paperback or tp except somebody selling a copy on eBay.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:49, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Please read the help page. “Pb” is used for mass market paperbacks. “Tp” is any other paperback. Don’t apply industry terms when we have the terms defined here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:58, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Subterrene: Tales from the Shadows ==<br />
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When adding books without ISBN, adding the ASIN makes it easier to know what we have (and less likely for a duplicate to be created). I added it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819552 here] and fixed the capitalization: we normalize titles and "from" is never capitalized unless it is the first word in a title or subtitle. Complete capitalization rules are [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Title here], section "Case".<br />
: A quick question - is not using the exact date a decision (you do not think Amazon has that right?) or just an oversight? Thanks for adding the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
I wouldn't trust info on Amazon if my life depended on it. Their dates are wrong very often, along with much else. A big portion of my work since I started here has been correcting info entered by other editors who lazily copy from Amazon (or locusmag.com or philsp.com or countless other places) without double-checking with other sources. Also, when I enter info often I go back and add more and correct my mistakes later, so not having certain info doesn't mean it won't be added eventually.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dates ==<br />
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I am not sure what you mean with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892390 this note]. When you are merging, the UI allows you to select which date to keep - defaulting always on the earliest. I had never seen it behaving differently and when I just merged, it picked up 1991 - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?896324 here]. But even if it did not, you can change that during the merging so was there a different problem with this merge? <br />
: If not, what browser and OS are you using? Maybe we have a HTML/JS issue somewhere... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: I've merged hundreds of these. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?9 Top ISFDB contributors (Title Merge)], you have merged 60 title records. Are you using multiple user names, by chance? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Upon merging titles recently often the KeepID column will have the date of first publication I didn't choose. I can't say why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I find it hard to believe it only happens to me, so maybe asking other editors would help. Perhaps the updates to the ISFDB software recently by 1 of the moderators (see: Community Portal) had something to do with it.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: The sections of the ISFDB software responsible for merging titles haven't been changed in a number of years. There have been no reports of inconsistent behavior, but it's always possible for a new browser-specific issue to pop up. Could you please specify which browser and operating system you are using? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew, March 1991 ==<br />
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Question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819554] - Archive has a lot more contents than you added. Is it out of scope? If so, there is a decision to be made. If we declare the magazine non-genre, then it does not get added. If we declare it genre (and it looks to me it is), then we can add the incomplete template so people know we need to get back to it and add it. <br />
PS: Careful with prices -- US$ is just $ (and added page numbers - if you rather not use the pages, add piped numbers for order (|1, |2 and so on) or a merge later on will move things around and the stories will show up in all kinds of weird order. Thanks for adding the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:14, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: And on the same magazine - why did it jump from being a UK one to being a US one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2728851 see the prices])? It seems like the covers have both prices so let's stick with one of them in the Price field (UK I would say -it seems more prominent) and add the other in the notes? It looks a bit sloppy otherwise :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
There are over a dozen issues of this magazine that have never been entered on ISFDB at all even though it ended its run in 1991. I found out "The Reploids" by Stephen King was never reprinted in any of his collections but searching online I found out it was reprinted in an issue of this magazine, but only 1 issue had ever been entered by someone on ISFDB, so I began the task of entering the issues myself, only including fiction because most of the non-fiction is outdated interviews. I entered the price in pounds and after moderator accepted my edit I saw they had changed the price to dollars for some reason. So if you have a problem with that speak to them and tell them not to change things without asking the editor if it's Ok with them.--[[User:Username|Username]] 08:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Nope. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892491 Here] is your submission. You were the one who added it in Dollars. I approved it, fixed the format and came to ask you why. No one can chan a submission - we can only approve and then edit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:10, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scott Connors/Scott Conners ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892595 this submission] solely based on the similar names and the story of the other author or is there something that confirms them as the same person? While it is indeed very likely that they are the same, the name is common enough to allow for ambiguity so a bit more proof is needed - we connect names only when we are sure they are the same. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:25, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893001 Sam Minier]? While the name is less common, I would still prefer a bit more data (listing somewhere? Bio somewhere?). I am more inclined to approve this one without any additional data than the other one but still... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
Scott Connors is a well-known expert on Clark Ashton Smith and has many non-fiction pieces on the subject, so the Conners record (which is not a story, it's an essay) which is about Smith is by the same guy, with his last name misspelled either in the original publication or by the person who entered the info here. The Minier name is the same person and philsp.com has the Sam Minier info under the Samuel Minier name.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:06, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Missing source ==<br />
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Please specify the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893507 this edit to Fiend]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:29, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The cover for Guy N. Smith's 1988 novel Fiend is the same as the cover for Year's Best Horror Stories: XIX and is actually titled "Fiend" in Les Edwards' 1990 collection, just like the cover by Edwards for Smith's 1989 novel Mania was re-used for 2 different horror best-of-the-year collections. When the title of the artwork matches the title of the book it came from, that's your source.--[[User:Username|Username]] 17:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And that is why we have "Moderator Notes" field on every record - so you post your sources and explanations there. And in the case of the cover art attribution, the source and attribution should also be always added to the publication note. I will reject your update so you can redo it and add the sources in Notes and allow (if you want) to add more notes to the Moderator notes (these will be visible if someone checks the publication history so they become attached to the book if anyone wonders later how the artist was determined) while the Notes field itself is visible without digging and even for non-logged in users. Thanks for finding this one and let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A little trick with magazines ==<br />
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You do not need to rename and change the date of the EDITOR record before it is merged with its yearly record (as long as an yearly record already exists for this year) - you can use either "Show All Titles" from the editor's author page (for not very active editors) or Advanced Search -> Titles with the exact titles and with "or" and merge directly from one of those screens (make sure you select the date with 00-00 - the site has preference to exact dates within the same year so it will pick the date with a date or month specified by default). Most moderators will merge for you once they approve a rename (as I just did) but that makes it a single step so it does not get missed. Rename and merge is not a problem of course - but less steps makes it less likely for things to get wrong sometimes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Night the Lights Went Out in Arkham ==<br />
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I've rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4894790 this submission] because we don't link to cover images in the website field. That field is only for sites ''about'' the publication, not for cover image links. For the cover image, you can download it to your computer, and then upload it by following the directions on [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki|this page]]. I've done that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?762067 this publication] (including the price). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream ==<br />
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Hello my friends. So I was taking a look at this magazine which only ran for 3 issues in 2005. The second issue was only partially filled, so I checked to see if the remaining fiction was on ISFDB. 1 story was there so I imported it, "Suitcase Sam" (although date needed to be changed to magazine's date), but another story was there under a most likely mistakenly entered title. Wrath James White's story in Red Scream, "Razor Blade Fuck Toy", shows a 2014 date on ISFDB and the title "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2019310", and was translated as "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2018926" for a 2016 German anthology and reprinted in a 2017 German collection of White's stories. The 2014 date is because it was included in an English-language collection of White's stories, Cupid in Bondage, that's not on ISFDB. The thing is, that German title roughly translates as "Sex Plaything", which seems more like a translation of the original title in Red Scream. I suppose it's possible he wrote a sequel to the original story, but I doubt it. Not being familiar at all with White's work, I humbly ask someone out there who is to help sort this out. If it turns out they're the same story, I can import it into the magazine's contents and then never have to look at those creepy Red Scream covers again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:16, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Over All ==<br />
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I approved you submission for changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1252537 Over All]. I varianted the author's name to the canonical form and yes, I flagged the story as graphic format. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 13:27, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Incomplete ==<br />
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When the contents of a book is incomplete, please use the template <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> and not some made up string. This way the magazine/book will show up on the incomplete report and if someone has the time and/or the inclination to, they can complete it. The list of all supported templates is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427466 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:05, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't put "Contents incomplete" in the notes because I wanted someone else to complete the record. I put it there to remind myself it wasn't finished yet. 1 of the stories, "Scoop", was in an issue of Fantasy Tales but wasn't on ISFDB, which I found odd, and it turns out it's because Samantha Lee's name was misspelled as Amanda Lee, even though a moderator had verified that issue nearly 10 years ago. Nobody noticed that mistake until I did just now. Also, 1 story was published in 2002 under a different name so I still needed to variant the title. Also, several stories were published in women's mags and thus needed notes entered by me to say where they were first published. Also, a couple of story titles in the collection differed slightly from their original titles, so I needed to mention that in the notes. I don't just enter stuff, I actually try to do it properly. In the future I won't put any "contents incomplete" in notes so no one will be bothered entering it themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:29, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Understood but things happen. You may need to walk away - and then forget when you are back. Or the approval may take awhile. So just use the template so in case you do not come back to it, someone else can. :) That's why we have the template - way too many "I will be back to finish it" cases that never got finished. Don't be surprised if a moderator adds the template on an incomplete edit though - once a story is added, it is the only thing that differentiates an incomplete contents from complete one.<br />
:: As for the author name - discuss the author name change with the PV - if it is credited with a different name in the magazine, it will be approved. If the typo is in the magazine, we will need to variant instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scoop ==<br />
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Please discuss [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4901012 this change] with the PV as per ISFDB policy. As we go by the credit in the magazine, unless you have a magazine at hand or a scan that can show the spelling, we need to check where the typo is - in our DB or in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:47, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Well, there's the fact that her name is spelled properly as Samantha Lee on the front and back cover, and in the contents: [https://archive.org/details/fantasytales20000unse]. The typo's in our DB. God bless --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: All 3 are irrelevant if it is misspelled on the title page of the story itself. :) Do you happen to have a scan of that? Check with Bob - he probably can pull the magazine and check it. It is most likely a misspelling here indeed but stranger things had happened so we try to double check before we "fix" things. If there was no active PV, I would approve and add a note in the publication for the change. With an active PV, we may have access to the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: I also encountered a few cases where the author's name or the title proper did differ on the cover, the table of contents and/or the beginning page, and a fraction of them did make it to spell it only on the beginning page different (supposedly erroneous). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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This link, [https://books.google.com/books/about/Fantasy_Tales_5.html?id=VyafBAAAQBAJ], gives you 2 copies of this issue, including 1 with a limited preview. Clicking on "Scoop" by SAMANTHA Lee in the contents takes you to the title page of the story where you can see that the author is SAMANTHA Lee. Her name is spelled properly everywhere in this issue. The AMANDA Lee name on ISFDB was just a case of a previous editor entering the wrong name. When my name change edit is confirmed by a moderator don't forget to import "Scoop" into SAMANTHA Lee's collection Worse Things Than Spiders. All hail --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:51, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: You know, it took a few minutes to ask the PV and get an [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Fantasy_Tales_V12n5.2C_Autumn_1990 answer]. Update approved. Feel free to import it anywhere it needs to go. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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The only reason to ask the PV is if I was unable to see a copy of the work in question. There are multiple copies online including the one I linked on Google Books which proved that the name on the title page was really Samantha. I only bother other people when I can't see the evidence for myself, which didn't apply in this case. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:28, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:You should always check with the PV when possible. There may be some cases where they have an undeclared variant copy where the mistake is present, which may differ from the copy you have (in which case, we'd need to make sure both were documented here). Unless they are no longer active, always check with the PV. Always. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Decadence ==<br />
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If you have the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295007 this one], please add the page place numbers (preceded with |) so the stories are properly ordered in our listing. The ones that were already there have the page orders already, just the ones you just added still need them :) And if by any chance there are real pages numbers, we can use that on all stories of course. Meanwhile I cleaned up the list of authors with unknown stories in the note and added incomplete to make sure we keep track of the missing story. Thanks for adding some of the missing stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:15, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Language ==<br />
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Please refrain from using expletives and other coarse language when posting and submitting on ISFDB. It may be normal language for you, but it can create an uncomfortable atmosphere when working with other editors here. There are people from many different backgrounds on ISFDB, and we need to make sure we are considerate in how we interact with them. Please keep your language professional. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:39, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBNs for books after December 31, 2006 ==<br />
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Please be sure to use ISBN-13s for books published after December 31, 2006. If you only have an ISBN-10, you can use [https://www.isbn.org/ISBN_converter this handy ISBN converter] to find the ISBN-13. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:11, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== El Hijo de las Tinieblas ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4906675 this submission], what was the reason for the significant changes you submitted? There was no note explaining why you were changing the publication dates from 2013 to 1992. That's a huge change, so an explanation is needed. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:15, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:[https://tercerafundacion.net/biblioteca/ver/ficha/1616]; exact date from bookdepository.com; it's a trade paperback, not a paperback as I originally thought. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:18, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Are there, perhaps, two different printings? One in 1992 and one in 2013? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:33, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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All copies on AbeBooks are 1992. The book's publisher, Martinez Roca, ends in 1998 on ISFDB, except for 1 stray literary novel in 2007, so it's unlikely they decided to reprint a cheesy horror novel from 1990 in 2013. It's probably just the usual editor's copy and paste error without checking other sources to verify the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:45, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Okay, thanks. Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:37, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Disambiguating author and publisher names ==<br />
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When disambiguating these, please follow these guidelines:<br />
*For the most established one (usually meaning they have the most work, or are the oldest company), leave the name as is.<br />
*For the other people or publishers with the same name, disambiguate them using a Roman numeral in parentheses. For example, we have three publishers with the name "Catalyst Press": [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6451 Catalyst Press], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74316 Catalyst Press (I)], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74317 Catalyst Press (II)].<br />
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If you do this, the database will automatically add a line at the top of the listing (whether for a person or a publisher) with links to any others with the same base name: "Note: There are other publishers with the same name: Catalyst Press, Catalyst Press (I)". Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:42, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Offspring ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/darkoffspring00newy] Found this anthology which is completely empty on ISFDB was uploaded to archive.org back in 2010. I entered price, cover artist and introduction, but limited preview cuts the second page of stories off. Anyone with an account on archive.org can now enter into ISFDB the contents of this rare book which aren't listed anywhere online as far as I'm aware. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:31, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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I entered them myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Squad D ==<br />
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So this story, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46121], written in the 1970's, was never included in any of Stephen King's collections and didn't get published until Richard Chizmar's anthology Shivers VIII in 2019, which was oddly published in Germany first. The problem is there's only 1 library with 2 copies of the book on Worldcat, so distribution seems to have been a problem. Scribd.com offers it as a standalone story but requires you to sign up to read the whole thing. However, I discovered if you click the cached version on Google it gives you the whole story. Oddly, the regular website's cached version is a mess of garbled text, while this version, [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RFGP0YSYP1cJ:https://pt.scribd.com/document/23283543/Squad-D&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0], seems to display it properly. So here's an opportunity to read this rare story. I wonder whether I should add that link to the "Squad D" ISFDB record. Any thoughts? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:34, 11 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream - 2005 edit ==<br />
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Hi. I had to hard-reject your Red Scream - 2005 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4909155 submission] because that title record is no longer present. It was most likely merged with something else (probably [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424596 this]) after you submitted it, and the merge was accepted first. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:18, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" / "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets" ==<br />
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Hi. When changing the text of a title, keep in mind that the change affects all publications where the title appears. In the case of your "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" -> "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets", while it is "Regrets" in ''Terminal Frights'', it is "Merci" in ''Deathrealm #28'', so the fix-up needs to be done differently. First, we need to unmerge the title for the publication where it is incorrect, then we need to fix that instance. In researching this, I found they are not the same work, but rather "Regrets" is the sequel to "Merci". See [https://www.amazon.com/INTERMUSINGS-David-Niall-Wilson-ebook/dp/B0084V61ZA this]. So I am going to reject your submission and then separate the two and fix up the one in ''Terminal Frights''. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:25, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:This is done. See now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?83544 La Belle Dame Sans Merci] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2834399 La Belle Dame Sans Regrets]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:12, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publication (or title) web pages ==<br />
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When updating web pages for a publication or title, please don't remove current links (as you did for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823713 this one]). Instead, click the "+" button next to ''Web Page 1'' and add a second web page. This helps prevent possible loss of information. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:31, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm the one who entered that Phantasm anthology recently and found that archived page, then I found an Angelfire page still on Google with much the same info, so I replaced it. Always better to use a still extant page rather than an archived one, but if both are acceptable, then both it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:51, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::There's not really a limit on the number of webpages that can be entered, so having two is usually better. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:15, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Temple Servant and Other Stories ==<br />
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I've put on hold your edit to replace the Note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2056411 this pub]: "After Morrough's name on the title page is (Abu Nadaar); this is the pen name used when some of these stories were first published in magazines, primarily The New Statesman and London Mercury.". Replacing the note would remove the information about Moreau's other pseudonym "Abu Nadaar", and we currently don't carry that info anywhere else, so I'd suggest adding your new note to it rather than replacing it. Alternatively, so that it's no lost an appropriate place for this info would also be to add a Note to Morrough's biblio page, which you can do by clicking 'Edit Author Data'. You could also add a Note to the Title data for each relevant story, mentioning that it was originally published by as by "Abu Nadaar" in whichever magazine/newspaper it appeared, if you have that information. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:42, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The verbatim note from The Temple Servant should be entered on ISFDB under that book's record but my note about "Abu Nadaar" can be entered under Morrough's name as "He published some stories under the pen name Abu Nadaar". Info is sketchy since some stories were published as by Nadaar and then reprinted as by Morrough in many old and hard-to-verify publications so a note will suffice. It's not anything major since there's many sites all over the web with the info about his pseudonym. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:34, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks, done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 14:37, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Artist credit + notes/sources -- ''City Jitters'' ==<br />
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Hi. When you add an artist credit, such as you did for {{P|278761|City Jitters}}, you should identify the source. If it's in the book and you are Primary Verifier, then it's ok not to say anything (although it is helpful to state the form of the credit, even in that case). But if you don't have the book, the secondary source used for the credit should be noted. In researching the submission, I found the art on Les Edwards' [http://www.lesedwards.com/galleries/vintage/city-jitters/1097 website], so I accepted it and added the webpage link in the title record. Please take a moment to add your source to the pub notes, though, or one of us can add a note about its appearing on his site, if you'd rather. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:13, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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See here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887726]. The City Jitters cover is the parent of all these covers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:18, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the pointer. I made the variant and added a note about the secondary sources to the pub. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Tales: Volume III ==<br />
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Can you please share your source for the "bound by Biddles in black wibalin cloth stamped in copper" note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?317426 here]? I also fixed the title - we add a : before subtitles (and as the title page is visible on the publisher site, it is very obviously a subtitle indeed) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question and note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296408 Volume 2]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:12, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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That note was already there; I added the title change with Volume being added to the title for all Strange Tales (except Volume V where they just called it Strange Tales V). I don't know what Biddles or wibalin even are nor is that the kind of info I usually add anyway; some previous editor did all that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:08, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Oops, sorry about that - not sure why I decided the latest update changed these - I think I mixed up notes somewhere. Thanks for fixing these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:30, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Jason Lives: Friday the 13th, Part IV ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931475 this submission: The cover does not really matter - if the title page says IV, that's what we use - and we add a note explaining the discrepancy. It is most likely a typo in the DB BUT as there is an active Primary verifier, please discuss with them before you change a title. Thanks! I will keep the submission on hold until you clarify the matter with the PV. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:16, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives is a film that came out in 1986 and this was the novelization; here is a webpage, [https://www.ebay.com/p/1359743], with a VI on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:12, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There is an active PV. They may be holding a book with a mistake on the title page in which case we will want to keep a record of both. The whole point of the primary verification is that someone has a book in hand. Please discuss the change with him. We work as a team here - which means that if there is an active PV who can check the book they verified, we ensure that we do not lose data or a weird variant... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Castle of Lost Souls ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Do you plan on adding the first edition for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931465 this]? If not, there needs to be added a note to the title record explaining the earlier date (or it will be re-dated again once it pops up on a report for dates mismatch). If yes, I will approve it so you can add the first edition. This is the kind of information that needs to be in the moderator notes so we know how to proceed :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:19, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Previous editor entered American publisher but used cover of original British edition, said format was tp when it was actually pb, entered wrong price, etc. I added all proper info for American edition; anyone who wants to enter original British edition can do so if they can find correct info; the cover that I replaced I'm assuming is the British one. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Which is ok. But I asked if you plan to add the British edition now that you sorted out the American one? If not, we need a note about the provenance of the date on the title record. I assume this is a no so I will approve and finish your edit by adding the needed note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Done. The note is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27670 here]. This will ensure that the title does not re-dated to match its only edition (we have a report on that and it will get redated without a note sooner or later - thus the questions above). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:27, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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Here's something I just noticed while sorting this out; the price previous editor entered, $2.95, was technically correct because the cover for the American edition available on Amazon says so. However, [https://gamebooks.org/Item/42/Show] clearly shows a cover with $2.50 as the price but the same ISBN so I assume that's the original edition. What printing the $2.95 version was is anyone's guess since they reprinted these gamebooks endlessly. Another slight difference is the $2.50 cover says "A Berkley/Pacer book" while the $2.95 one only says "Berkley/Pacer". So my record for the American edition will be correct if common $2.95 cover I carelessly added is replaced with rare $2.50 cover to match price on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Sounds like a later printing then. In such case, clone the 2.50 book to add a new 2.95 one, add "Unknown later printing" in the notes and date of 0000-00-00 and a note on how exactly the publisher is credited (the Publisher field will have the same value). Then we have both covers and both prices and if someone every finds the 2.95 book, we can get more details about it. I do not like stubs when we have a choice but a stub record is better than none and we know the 2.95 exists - so let's start building it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Case of Need ==<br />
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The only source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934934 this book] is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Case_of_Need Wikipedia]. There is no price in the source. Where is the price coming from? We need to add the source of it to the notes. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:22, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.biblio.com/book-collecting/by-year/mystery-books/1960-1969]; [http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/447768635/]<br />
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:: Approved and updated the notes to indicate the source. Please add source notes for any piece of information you add that is not from a book you are verifying. That minimizes the chance of mistakes and ensures that our data is properly sourced. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:23, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Long After Dark ==<br />
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Changing the date alone like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935202 this] is not that helpful. Someone is just going to come along later and change it back thinking it's an error since it doesn't match the pubs and there is no other data provided. At a minimum, please provide a title note stating something like "Originally published in 2010 as a limited edition hardcover". But better, enter the missing edition so we actually have a record for it. See {{P|827946|here}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:42, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I come across records all the time which have 1 or more editions entered but the date at the top is earlier than any of them, but there's no note mentioning anything about it. I've created several records for original editions because the whole book is on archive.org or elsewhere, but those Delirium hardcover limited editions are rare as heck so I don't feel comfortable entering an entire record based on a few pictures and possibly inaccurate info from sellers on eBay. Entering an earlier date just lets people know there was one; if anyone owns a copy they can enter specific info on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:50, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The existence of problematic records does not mean we should create more. Title dates should match the first publication in the database or have information provided. We have a cleanup report to catch and fix them, but there is a lot of stuff to do on the database. It is easy enough to add a title explaining why there is an earlier date. And given your tendency to complain about "lazy editors", I am surprised you would object to doing so. As for eBay, when it has a picture of the title and copyright pages, that is more than sufficient to create the stub pub record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:31, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The King of America ==<br />
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What is the source for the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937228 here]? Unless you really enjoy needing to answer on your Talk page, you can start adding notes inside of the notes field: "Price from cover/newspaper records/wherever applies" showing where you found the price". If it is the cover here, it is so blurry that it is not visible so... <br />
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If you do not start adding notes, all requests like this one will end up in the same way - with someone asking you for source, you responding, then someone approving and then editing to add a note... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf] is where. I enter a mountain of info on ISFDB at a rapid pace and don't enter anything unless I'm sure; I also go back over my previous approved edits and find new info I didn't enter/fix occasional mistakes. The price isn't blurry if you go to that PDF and magnify to 500%, then it's clear. Among my many different areas of interest since I became an editor is fixing/adding info for all these "adult" novels. Whichever editors entered info over the many years before I started left out many easily found covers, different editions, Catalog ID #'s, prices, etc. and made many mistakes which I'm fixing. It's a tangled mess but I'm doing my usual good job. What I find interesting is many entries have no notes for anything that was entered or where they found the info. So asking me to verify how I discovered the price for a 50-year-old porn novel is amusing. If you want to enter the fact that the price was verified by magnifying a photo on a porn PDF, feel free. Reading through these message boards and seeing the childish arguing and name-calling between moderators and other editors is not my thing. I'm all about the books. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:23, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have no issues with you being right. But all of this information that is wrong was added by someone who thought they were right - possibly from a faulty source, possibly by making a mistake while copying. It is a community effort - in a DB of your own, your word is enough; here we try to verify. Thus the "please list your sources in the notes". That way someone can verify later on - and 5 years from now we do not have someone else in the same boat you are in now - looking at data which we may have as well invented because there is no information where it comes from. Had this rule (list your sources unless you are PVing -- when the source is the book) been followed consistently through the years, we would not have that much to fix now. As you had seen, the older the record, the more likely it is that there are no sources at all... Allowing more of the information to go in the DB without sources multiplies the problems. So we are trying to ensure that we have sources now - for everything.<br />
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:: Catalog ID is a new field - it did not exist until ~5 years ago. There are a few more of these fields on the page - so unless the editor bothered to add the info into the notes, there was no space for the information. The covers are now easy to find, 15 years ago it was not that easy :) Some of these records are really really old. <br />
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:: I will be very honest here - if you do not add notes and just keep submitting edits with no sources, it increases the time for a moderator to process your edit (because they need to come ask you or do all the digging you did on their own, eventually finding the same and then approve and update after you) so your submissions will get backed up more and more. The cleaner and more complete your edits are, the easier to process, the faster they will get cleared. If all you care is the data and the books, I expect that you would like to ensure that the data is actually sourced properly so someone does not undo your work based on what they consider a definitive source (which disagrees with what you added)? :) <br />
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:: I will approve and fix the note for this one now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:40, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?601551 done]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:44, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== In Flagrant Delight ==<br />
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The price of the US edition was on the cover so I just updated the notes with that post approval but where is the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937063 the UK one] coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937180 Satyr Trek] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937182 The Erotic Spectacles] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937183 The Power and the Pain]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.amazon.com/Flagrant-Delight-Brian-McNaughton/dp/0700414800]; Satyr Trek's price is in upper right of front cover; [https://www.amazon.com/Erotic-Spectacles-Genghis-Cohen/dp/0700414703]; [https://www.amazon.com/power-pain-Charles-Platt/dp/0700414207]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated on all of these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Frankenstein '69 ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937067 this one].<br />
* The ISBN is incomplete. The correct one is 0700412603. Easy to fix BUT there was a bigger problem<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon.com] claims 1969 but [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon UK] says 1972. Amazon can be a real pain for older books like this one and their dates are anything but reliable especially on import editions. [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do?tabs=moreTab&ct=display&fn=search&doc=BLL01002399343&indx=1&recIds=BLL01002399343&recIdxs=0&elementId=0&renderMode=poppedOut&displayMode=full&frbrVersion=&vid=BLVU1&dscnt=0&vl(freeText0)=0700412603&dstmp=1615839843736 The British library] agrees with Amazon UK. So does [https://www.worldcat.org/title/frankenstein-69/oclc/877216035 OCLC]. So I approved your submission but fixed the sources and the date. Please be careful with the Amazons - the US one is bad for UK dates and vice versa regardless of age (and the older the book, the less reliable they get).<br />
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The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828073 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:29, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: <nods head vigorously> At one point I spent a significant amount of time working with Amazon's pre-1995 records. Some of them were extremely precise, e.g. some 1960s records had the correct date of publication stated. Others were off by multiple years. I suspect that at some point Amazon imported multiple third party databases (of variable quality) into their main system. We have to be extra careful with their old data because there is no way of telling where this or that record originally came from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:37, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And it is even worse for data from across the pond (in either direction). The somewhat good news is that most of the books from the 60s and 70s have BL records in UK if they belong there and OCLC ones for both US and UK books so that can help figure things out... Goodreads can be also good but a lot of their data is imported from Amazon and not cleaned up later so some of it has the same issues as Amazon. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Night Fear ==<br />
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The only sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937275 this] are the various verifications and external IDs. None of these have the page numbers. We need a source for them. I know you have a link somewhere - can you please share? And we need to note if it is based on table of contents or based on checking each title page one by one (a lot of books have discrepancies). I will approve and update but I need to know where these numbers are coming from... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:16, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.deadsouls.co.nz/shop/roy-torgeson-ed-frank-belknap-long-night-fear/]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:17, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If God Wanted Us to Travel ... ==<br />
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Source for the month in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936820 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:49, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936641 King, of the Khyber Rifles]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/ifgodwantedustot00bren]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
[http://www.locusmag.com/index/b347.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:07, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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== The Earthquake Machine ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the artist [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?454505 here] but next time can you please also update the note because they way you left the book was with an artist added, no source for the artist and a note inside that there is not credit in the book and that the signature is unreadable... which is a contradiction and throws into question both the notes and the artist credit. Fixed the note after approval. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:54, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Assault on a Queen ==<br />
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Can you be a bit more precise about the source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936723 here]? This is like saying "google it". :) Exact link will be helpful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:57, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/8325/jack-finney/assault-on-a-queen]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:04, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and a note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Alabaster Hand ==<br />
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Source for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935814 page numbers]? And if it is a scan of the contents page, we should be able to resolve the notes issue as well (on what is included from the introductions and so on)... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:19, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And for the intro and the limitation number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935790 Mist and Other Ghost Stories] and the complete contents in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935785 the import]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/a-n-l-munby-the-alabaster-hand-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-press-2013-25-300?variant=8795937276003]<br />
[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/richmal-crompton-mist-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-2015-limited-edition-265?variant=8885791916131]<br />
--[[User:Username|Username]] 01:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Her Magic Spell ==<br />
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I suspect that source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935862 this] is the cover as for the rest of these but as we do not have a cover, I need a visible source somewhere... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:27, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:10, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Satan ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935875 this price]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:42, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Astrosex ==<br />
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Month source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936301 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936303 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936304 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936305 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And a few more: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936306 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936307 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:55, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:18, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: These are approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Keeper of the Children ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936244 this edit]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936250 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Keeper-of-the-Children-by-William-H-Hallahan-233031460644.html]; [https://picclick.com/William-Hallahan-The-Search-For-Joseph-Tully-402035732963.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Halloween Horrors ==<br />
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Link to the contents page you unearthed for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936899 this]? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fantlab.ru/edition185627]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:26, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: External ID and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Masques ==<br />
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Source for the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828162 this one]? Fantlab does not have it (neither it have the back flap so I suspect you have the jacket somewhere and the price is from there?) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:28, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Bill-Pronzini-MASQUES-A-NOVEL-OF-401742298339.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added and external ID put in place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Surrounded ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936013 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:50, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And more of these: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936007 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936019 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 price?] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:09, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [https://archive.org/details/cinemaoffantasti00stei]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Please remember to specify your sources when creating submissions. Not only does the lack of sources create more work for the reviewing moderator, but, more likely than not, it also creates more work for you because you'll need to dig them up again in order to respond to moderator queries.<br />
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:::: In addition, you are a relatively new contributor, so moderators are more likely to make allowances, but eventually they will become less likely to work on your submissions, which will affect the approval time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unident) OK - that link cleared [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 Cinema of the Fantastic]. What about the other 4? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/faceoffearnove00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/surrounded00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/bloodrisk00coff_0]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And that leaves [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 The Sweat of Fear] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935960 originally] which got approved by mistake last night but I did not reverse as I am sure you have a source)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/sweatoffear00denn]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ALl updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Paul Durst 1986/1990 ==<br />
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Mysteryfile.com may say 1990, it also has a [http://mysteryfile.com/blog/?p=33611#comment-7081383 letter by his daughter] that states "My father actually was buried on the day the Challenger blew up in 1986 in January, I had come from the States to his funeral.".--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:15, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Odd; makes me wonder where they got 1990 from and why they didn't read that letter themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:26, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Rainbird Pattern ==<br />
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And the source for the price and the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940398 this one]? Also - looking at the cover, are you sure this artist has an artist credit and not just a designed credit (if the latter, he goes only in the notes). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:06, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The cover I provided has an openlibrary.org URL which is a project of Internet Archive, so a cover with their name in the URL usually links to a book on archive.org except when there's no copy available. That's where the price came from on the front flap and it also says "JACKET BY" Wendell Minor. It doesn't say design otherwise I wouldn't have entered it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:45, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: If you are using OpenLibrary for anything BUT the cover image, it needs to be noted in the Notes and in the external IDs. Plus tracking down the Open Library ID from the cover ID is as easy as finding the Amazon record from the Amazon cover IDs. If you cannot be bothered to post the link or the ID at least in the moderator notes and preferably in the proper places, you are asking the handling moderator to do all the research again - and your submissions will stay on the board for days and possibly weeks until someone has time to do all the work and verifications needed. If you start adding notes or at least all the links, it will go a lot smoother.<br />
:: In this case, the OL ID is OL4789610W which has absolutely nothing to do with the image ID: 10015820-L. You should not expect people to jump through 100 sites to find the correct books and images and sites you are using. <br />
:: Can you share where you saw the front flap? (Archive.org - got it. Will update) "Jacket By" means design usually on non-pictorial covers so I will change the notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: OK... [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/n1/mode/2up here is the book] on archive.org. Where exactly do you see "Jacket by Wendell Minor"? It is not on the copyright page, the title page on the front flap or the covers. And the back flap is not visible. Where did you see it? I may have missed it although I looked 3 times so can you point me to it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:10, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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As I explained in 1 of my previous successes, I found that if you use the search icon (magnifying glass) you can access anything in any book even if you don't have an account at archive.org. That's how I find so many things no one else can. If you type "jacket", it gives 9 entries, the last of which takes you to the BACK FLAP where it says "JACKET BY WENDELL MINOR". --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And you could have explained that in the notes. Again - unless you link to your sources (and/or explain where they are so they are easily found), you are asking someone to redo your work. Which someone will eventually - but it takes a lot longer than it should. The book itself does not contain the back flap UNTIL you search with a specific term. Figuring out the term and using it takes time and effort. It may be easy for you because you do it on every book but people are not in your head. In this case just posting the URL for the search [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/248/mode/2up?q=flap this one] with a (cover credit from backflap) note would have been enough. Takes about 2 seconds and saves the handling moderator of trying to connect the dots (and needing to ask you on every update). The more details you post in the notes/moderator notes, the easier it will be to work your submissions and the more likely is that they are not left on the board for long periods of time. Note updated! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:38, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tarzan of the Movies: A Pictorial History of More Than Fifty Years of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Legendary Hero ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940610 this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:46, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/tarzanofmovies00esso]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:05, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No flaps visible. Nor is the price inside of the book (copyright page or contents or any other visible pages). The search for flap, price, $ or exact price does not find it either. So where is the price coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:17, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tarzan-of-the-Movies-Hardcover-Book-1968-Gabe-Essoe-/293833386148]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:25, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note edited, source added in the moderator notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:29, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Harlot Killer ==<br />
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The cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940655 of our book] clearly shows 25 cents. The cover [https://picclick.com/The-Harlot-Killer-Jack-the-Ripper-essays-book-193627208436.html#&gid=1&pid=1 in your source] shows clearly 35 cents. Which will make your source a later unindentified printing (not all publishers are nice enough to enumerate printings on their copyright pages). I approved the change for the page numbers but pulled back the price change (and added a note for the provenance of the numbers) and cloned for the 0.35 copy. If you can find a cover for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828729 0.35 book], that will be useful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Typos in text fields ==<br />
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When you are correcting a typo in a text field such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940753 here], put in the moderator notes either the replacement (Frederic -> Fredric) or just the word you are fixing (typo: Frederic). That helps seeing the change quickly when reviewing your change and it also remains in the record moderator notes if someone wants to find out what you changed at some later point. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:27, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Exit to Eden ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940756 Price source?]: "price found many places online" is the same as saying "google it". Please point one place where you found it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:31, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/05/24/Books/3347485755200/]; [https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Exit-Eden-Rampling-Anne-Rice-Arbor/7744968713/bd]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 06:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Orphan ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940591 Price source?] If it is the cover by any chance, please provide a link to a better cover - there is something in the top right corner but this image is unreadable. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/774984696/the-orphan-by-samantha-mellors-published?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:19, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delectus Books ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940875 this]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:06, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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My previous edit on pending list for Delectus edition of Wolf in the Garden has a link to It Goes on the Shelf as explained in the note, which is where the address is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:25, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Different moderators can handle different edits. Each edit should have a source. I am not going to chase another note somewhere so please provide a source. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fanac.org/fanzines/IGOTS/igotsnew15.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:52, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated and year added to the note. Publishers move in 25 years so dating our addresses helps :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:18, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Of Pigs and Spiders ==<br />
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Not sure who you are talking to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940268 here] (you know that there is more than one moderator and only the one handling the submission usually sees the note, right?) but it would have taken a lot less time to actually link the sources you are using instead of complaining about a previous note. Please share your sources for all the changes you are making in this submission. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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It says locusmag.com in my note; that's where the info came from. I was responding to the usual rude, angry note from Dirk, who has been rude and angry since my start here last December. One of my very first edits was greeted with a rude reply from him, so it's nothing new. His rudeness spurred me to look for more info, which led me to locusmag.com and a bunch of new stuff which I entered here, so I thanked him for that. Sarcasm TRUMPs rudeness. I saw in another discussion he had with someone else that he was complaining about how much work he has to do and how ISFDB needs more moderators and how he was thinking of giving up and just reading a book instead, so maybe he's burnt out. I notice from their bios that many moderators here are seniors so perhaps younger, more enthusiastic moderators who are familiar with books written in the last 30 years are needed. If you really needed to know who I was talking to you could've looked at my rejected edits and seen his name there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:42, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Link to the exact place on the site you are using as source? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/t2.htm#A60]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:03, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The March date comes from Amazon.com (among other sources) - which may or may not be valid (1999 is old enough so I do not trust them too much on dates). Are we absolutely sure that this August release is not just the signed edition? Let me do some more digging before I approve to see if it seems like a single run of 333 was ever issued. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:28, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Teacher's Pet ==<br />
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The price is on the front flap. Where is the artist credited on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4941642 this one]? The back flap is not visible so if it is there, I need your search criteria that makes it visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/teacherspet00tayl]; search "jacket". --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old Australian currency (pre 14 February 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I altered the price to 4/9 and mentioned in the notes that the price is in Australian shillings and pences.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:47, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Starlog covers ==<br />
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Per ISFDB standards, we don't enter covers are cover credits for non-genre magazines unless the cover illustrates a speculative fiction story. I have started [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Starlog|a discussion]] on the community portal regarding the status of {{S|33627|Starlog}}. As it had a film focus and not a written speculative fiction focus, it would not seem to be considered genre by ISFDB standards. You are welcome to chime in there is you have an opinion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hands of Cain ==<br />
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Hi, regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4947992 The Hands of Cain]: Why 1976? especially when you want to assign a price of £0.25....Inflation was rampant in the UK during those days, so £0.25 for 1976 is definitely off. Would you like me to change the date to 0000-00-00, meaning 'unknown'?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:07, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Worldcat link gives year as 1976 and gives page count, so those can stay, but no price so just leave that blank. If anyone checks a physical copy, info can be updated. The unique cover for this edition is the main point of interest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:19, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Picclick.com / Contento in notes ==<br />
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Hi, picclick.com has no stable links, just like Contento/Fiction Mags Index, only worse: they go went the book is sold. Contento keeps adding content in between, so info keeps shifting page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:25, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Darkness ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953431 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Source is bright black .50 at top of cover, easily seen without magnifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:25, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: What may be easily visible for you on your monitor may not be the case for someone with vision issues or smaller/older screens. And images disappear - sometimes whole sites fall down, sometimes single images disappear due to mistakes or mishaps. This is why it is important to add notes explaining where the data is from in the Notes so even if someone cannot see the image for one reason or another, they can track the data (and check it on their copy if they have it). <br />
:: Approved and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:27, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Unfortunately, this is true even with Amazon-hosted images, especially more recently. Amazon used to preserve Web pages for superseded editions, but it irritated authors, publishers and readers alike, so eventually they changed their policy. I don't know how it works internally on their end, but I have seen images replaced after the fact. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:18, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: At least for now the /I/ images seem to stay stable - although you are right that Amazon is now updating the old pages on reissue and linking to a different /I/ image - making a mess of any old records. Although I worry sometimes that they may decide to start deleting /I/ images that are not connected anywhere anymore - they are a bookseller after all, historical covers don’t really interest them (although I hope the marketplace is enough of a reason for them not to delete them). We will cross that bridge when/if we get to it (one hopes it never happens). In all cases, adding text notes on where the data is exactly is important. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:36, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Adult Version of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951557 source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:56, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is top left cover where it says Calga Publishers; it's blurry but legible, and all other Calga books on ISFDB are under same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:20, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Roaring Tower and Other Short Stories ==<br />
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Sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951521 these changes]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:57, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: pages: https://www.worldcat.org/title/roaring-tower-and-other-short-stories/oclc/776781492; first library on Worldcat's page, NYPL, has info about stories' pub. history; price: https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1930-01-01/1939-12-31?basicsearch=%22stella%20gibbons%22&phrasesearch=stella%20gibbons&newspapertitle=the%2Bsphere (also, ISFDB says "Short Stories" in title but cover says "Stories"; title page needed to verify). --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: That leaves only "hc". Is that an assumption based on the cover and price? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:02, 7 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Shoal of Time ==<br />
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Which "Hamilton's 1972 collection" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4954164 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There's only 1 1972 collection on Hamilton's ISFDB page: FLIES ON THE WALL. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:13, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which does not necessarily mean that this is the only Hamilton 1972 collection - we keep finding editions and books even for authors we think we have everything cataloged for. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Flight ==<br />
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What is the source of the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952028 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:15, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is the price printed on the cover, left side; Amazon page allows you to magnify and it clearly says $2.25. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:16, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Exorcist cover artist ==<br />
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You submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952510 name change] for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055023 cover artist] for a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585356 primary-verified copy of a book], but you didn't contact the PV to verify the spelling of the cover artist. Please contact them to verify the spelling of the artist's name as found in the copy of the book they have. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV hasn't contributed since 2017. Also, ISBN-10 on ISFDB entered verbatim into openlibrary.org finds only a 1987 Bantam book named Sweeny's Honor, and entering it on Google verbatim brings up exactly 1 site, this one; entering it without dashes brings up a few pages of mostly Sweeny's Honor, but also a Worldcat page for the Exorcist and a Google Books Exorcist copy, plus sites that say "Sweeny's Honor" and "William Peter Blatty" together. So not only is artist name likely misspelled by the PV and art on this edition probably isn't even by him anyway but the ISBN is probably wrong or mixed up, too. So I've moved on to a hundred other things since I made this edit and now leave it up to you whether to do anything to correct these problems. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:That's not the way things work here. We are not here to do everything for you. While we appreciate your contributions, we need to to contribute things within the rules of the site. Please post a note about this to the PV's talk page, and (since you say they haven't contributed since 2017) to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. We can't be making changes just because you ''think'' the PV ''might'' have made a mistake. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Encyclopaedia of Horror ==<br />
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I approved your cover scan of this pub. Looking at the ISBN in bookfinder.com, most of the copies of the book for sale are in Europe and the sellers seem consistent in maintaining the given spelling of Encyclopaedia. The cover shown is the same as you proposed. I suspect that the book was published in both the U.S. and G.B., with the spelling depending on the country where published. Maybe the cover with the Brit spelling is available somewhere, but I haven't found it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:12, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Rootabaga Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960928 this submission]: When adding Internet Archive links, please ensure they are for the same edition and printing. The record you are editing is for the first printing, but the Internet Archive scan is of the fifth printing (as can be seen on the copyright page). You are welcome to clone the publication and make a record for the fifth printing. You can then add the Internet Archive link to that record. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: "By George, Kincaid, we we're right!" ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953361 your edit] on hold for a moment as I'm wondering if you can you confirm this isn't a typo in the magazine? If it is, it should stay as-is, and a note added to clarify.If you don't have a reference at hand, it's good practice to check in with the primary verifiers who can confirm. Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:42, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v31n10_1957-10_cape1736]; page 82 shows the correct spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:59, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Perfect! Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Ghosties and Ghoulies'' and ''Tomorrow, Inv.'' page numbers ==<br />
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Hi. What's the source of the page numbers for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Ghosties and Ghoulies'')? There's no comment, and you didn't make yourself a verifier. I don't see anything in any of the linked secondary sources. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Tomorrow, Inc.''). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition135000; https://fantlab.ru/edition267370. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources II ==<br />
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Hi. When you add data from a secondary source, be sure to adjust the publication notes to reflect the source of the data. Information in notes to the moderator is helpful to the person processing the submission, but those do not become part of the record itself. So, for example, while making the publication date on {{P|588303|Konga}} more specific based on the picture you found on picclick is fine -- and giving me a pointer in the moderator notes was indeed helpful -- the source still needs to be documented in the publication record. I have done that in this case, so just something to keep in mind for future submissions. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:00, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantlab ==<br />
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FYI, the "External IDs" feature (on publications) knows about Fantlab. So if you find a relevant entry on Fantlab, you can link to it using their edition number. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:26, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It's a Russian-language site, so as a proud American I don't feel comfortable linking to them; I enter info here for people to see. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: One thing to note is that we are a strictly bibliographic site. As such, we do not let our individual political, national, ethnic, ideological and other non-bibliographic preferences affect what we do here. Even our data acquisition robot, [[User:Fixer]], has reluctantly agreed not to pursue his AI supremacy agenda here :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:38, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Also, while they are a valuable source of info their quality control is awful (like many other sites); frequently info they write themselves is wrong, so I only enter info from actual photos of the books or if that's not possible I double-check their written info with at least 1 other site to make sure they got it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: You cannot have it both ways: If you are using them, you need to give them credit for the information (covers and/or data) and here, that means using the external ID and/or the templates (if you are using other edition's data). If you are not comfortable linking to them because of your nationality, then stop using them and stop plagiarizing their data with no attribution. <br />
:: This behavior is against the site's (Fantlab's) rules: "Любое использование материалов сайта допускается только с указанием активной ссылки на источник." which roughly translates as "Site materials can be used only if an active link to the source is included." If you are not willing to conform to their rules, you should NOT use any of their data. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It all comes down to the same basic principle which has been repeatedly mentioned on this Talk page and elsewhere -- we need to state our sources. When adding data from FantLab, OCLC or another secondary source, we need to mention which FantLab/OCLC/etc record number the data comes from.<br />
::: If you find that a particular secondary source is not always reliable and use another secondary source to double-check the data, that's perfectly fine, but it needs to be documented in Notes. For example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430831 this publication record], which says "Price stamped on the front flap of the original dust jacket as per Biblio.com and confirmed in Latrobe Bulletin." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:38, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Request about prices ==<br />
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Hello. I have a request. As you're doing very valuable work and, a.o., are adding missing prices, could you also add in the notes field the other currencies as well (if present of course). The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price rules text] says: <br><br />
''British books are often priced for several other commonwealth countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Malta, Gibraltar, South Africa, East Africa, Trinidad (W.I.), and countries with a significant English-speaking population such as Spain and the Republic of Ireland. '''These additional prices are usefully entered in notes'''. Some of these countries also have pre-decimal formats based on the British pound and post-decimal formats similar to Dollar prices, and some have changed yet again to € (Euro) prices. If in doubt, enter these in notes exactly as stated.''<br><br />
That would be really appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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And also, as MartyD already pointed out above, could you add sources to the notes (or in the weblink multifield, as appropriate). Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:20, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== She Waits ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4956535 your submission] on hold, as it says 'bad checksum' for the ISBN you updated, but you didn't provide a reference for us to check. Can you double-check and provide a reference here? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Upper right cover corner; I just checked https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/664652801/she-waits-by-henry-clement-1975-vintage, and there's a photo of the spine with the same ID, so if it's wrong it wouldn't be the first time a book had a bad ISBN; what the right one is, I don't know. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:05, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hi folks. I was just passing through and noticed this. The ID on the cover of that book is an SBN, not an ISBN, and the -125 at the end is actually the $1.25 price. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub#ISBN|EditPub help]] for a little bit about this situation. One could derive an ISBN from it by adding the leading 0, dropping the price, and adding the missing checksum -- 2 in this case -- ending up with 0-445-00283-2. A favorite site of mine for ISBN analysis is https://www.isbn-check.com/ . Whether that is correct/appropriate or not, I don't know, but [https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0445002832/ Amazon agrees]. Current policy allows use of the derived ISBN on the record, with a note citing the fact that it's derived and providing the stated SBN. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:30, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks Marty. Approved & fixed the ISBN per Marty's explanation. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:42, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Is your caps lock stuck? ==<br />
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Please do not shout in notes (moderator ones and even more importantly the publication notes). <br />
Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375229 here]. Also please add in the note where in the book you find some information. Saying "PRICE FROM COPY ON INTERNET ARCHIVE" can mean anything from proper price to a sticker or a note somewhere. Specifying that the price is on the front flap allows a user to find it in their copy. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did that so info I add stands out from other info; when I revisit records to fix or add (as I do constantly) it helps to know what's mine. I've already done about a dozen edits this morning, but if it annoys you future edits will have lowercase letters. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:02, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: This is a public database, not your private sandbox. Shouting in any notes (or the wiki pages) is not acceptable. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:29, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If It Had Happened Otherwise ==<br />
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When you post the source as [https://picclick.com/If-It-Happened-Otherwise-edited-by-JCSquire-124248007500.html this link] and nothing more, there are 12 images and some text on this page. If the handling moderator knows where to look, the front flap image is an obvious target. However, not everyone does (or had seen the site before) so it can take a long time to look through all of the images and find what you had seen there (and you can even miss it on a first pass if you do not know where it is supposed to be - some of these angled images can be a pain). <br />
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If you add "image 4" to the link in your moderator note and inside of your publication note you state "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy in picclick.com)" or "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy online)", that saves time for the processing moderator AND they do not need to rewrite your note. See how it looks [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381932 now] compared to your "PRICE FROM COPY ON PICCLICK.". Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:55, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Username, this has been a recurring issue with your submissions and is becoming a problem for ISFDB moderators. Keep in mind that we process anywhere from 350,000 to 450,000+ submissions per year. If moderators had to spend as much time on researching every submission as they spend on your submissions, the approval process would slow down to a crawl. This is unacceptable. At this rate many moderators may simply stop working on your submissions since their time would be better spent elsewhere. In addition, the current situation wastes your time since moderators frequently ask you to clarify your sources. All of the above can be easily fixed by explicitly stating where the information comes from in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:13, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Currently I have 250 or so edits awaiting approval. Many are cover images which don't require any notes so those are ready and waiting to be approved. As I explained somewhere here not long ago, the reason I leave info in moderator notes is firstly because when moderator checks they may find I made an error (although that rarely happens), and secondly because info that's entered in notes is not read by most people who use ISFDB, according to everything I've read on message boards; people mainly use it to find covers for old books they remember reading in their youth or to find where stories are, since many people request fiction from old mags and books through interlibrary loan and need to know exactly what pages to request (I've done that many times myself). --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: The ISFDB has tens of thousands of users and dozens of major contributors. They are all interested in somewhat different aspects of our data: individual authors, early pulps, works in certain languages, art, etc. If you want to concentrate on the types of data that is of interest to a certain subset of ISFDB users, e.g. the readers of certain message boards who wants to see old book covers, that's great. However, all submissions should meet a minimum set of standards, including stating where the data comes from. As I indicated below, this is non-negotiable. We make allowances for new editors who are still learning the ropes, but you have created over 4,000 submissions and have been repeatedly informed about this issue, so you are well past that point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Although I have found many rare books and entered much info not found on any other sites, a large part of my time here is entering hundreds (thousands?) of missing covers and entering page #'s/verifying story titles, because I know that's what most of the people out there want. Going forward I think I will concentrate mainly on adding more covers and page #'s/corrected titles, since adding missing hardcover prices from their flaps or exact month of publication from copyright pages or whatever else requires adding note minutiae I'm not good at, obviously. Also, I think I shall return to what I originally was best at, the finding of rare stuff nobody else can. If I do the occasional edit from now on that requires notes, I'll remember to add them myself so no moderators will be upset. While we're all making suggestions here, let me take this opportunity to make some of my own. When approving my edits, moderators should try to start from the bottom and work their way up. They often approve at random and miss my notes from a prior edit related to a later one. Also, I've made dozens of entries spread out on all the wikis (Community, Help, Moderator, Verification) with many questions/interesting info/requests, etc. A few have been answered, sometimes helpfully, but most have gotten no responses, so let's get some. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Questions and observations about specific bibliographic topics may or may not be answered or commented upon depending on whether we have active editors knowledgeable about the raised topic and on whether they have the time to do additional research. Sometimes it takes weeks or months before another editor chimes in and provides additional information. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:48, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Let's all try to stop criticizing unpaid volunteers and concentrate on literature, shall we? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I'd like to chime in here. First (to get it out of the way), it's not because notes aren't read by most people that they shouldn't be entered - after all, there ''are'' people interested in knowing the source of the information available on ISFDB. That said, and as I've expressed earlier, you're doing a fine job of unearthing missing data. And it would make a hell of a lot of difference for us moderators (and for you too, since your submissions would be processed much faster) if you would add notes for us and other users along the lines Annie clarified above. It may get some used to, but I can't imagine that that would be an unsurmountable problem - at least from my perspective a win-win. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:17, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Sellers (I) ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962654 this update]. There is not a single site listed OR a moderator note. Considering that this was sent in the last few minutes after you were reminded about the rules again, this looks like a deliberate refusal to actually follow the rules of participation on the site. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:51, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This is another example of how unsourced submissions waste everyone's time. It took me a number of Google searches and multiple minutes to find a source confirming that {{A|Peter Sellers (I)}} is the same person as the famous actor -- [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/anth/s233.htm Contento's "Miscellaneous Anthologies Index"]. Multiply it by 400,000 submissions per year and you can see how this is not a viable way of entering data into the database.<br />
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: BUREAUCRAT WARNING: If you continue refusing to clearly state where the data comes from in Notes, it will not only delay the processing of your submissions, but it will also fall under the "non-constructive or disruptive" clause of [[ISFDB:Policy]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I had an edit approved by a moderator recently where I discovered the Peter Sellers who wrote "The Wastrel" was the famous actor but was mistakenly in the same record as the Peter Sellers who wrote genre fiction in the 80's and 90's. The anthology where "The Wastrel" appears, https://archive.org/details/knightsofmadness0000unse, has an intro by Peter Haining on p. 228 of the book confirming it's Sellers the actor, not the writer. Now that a separate record has been created for Sellers the actor I figured it would be good to fill in bio info and provide a photo, so that's what I did. I'm not deliberately trying to be confusing, it's that some moderators are less concerned about exactness and trust I know what I'm talking about. As I said above, once backlog of my edits are cleared I'm going to stick mostly to adding covers and finding and adding info not found anywhere else on the current web, which is what I was mostly doing when I first started here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:37, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the clarification. I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?292831 the title record] explaining where the identification of the author comes from. I have also changed "Peter Sellers (I)" to "Peter Sellers (actor)" as per [[Help:How to separate two authors with the same name]], which prioritizes the use of profession for disambiguation purposes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:46, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== And the Darkness Falls ==<br />
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Another one with no source (thanks for adding the note though): [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962593 And the Darkness Falls]. <br />
: Where did you see the front flap?<br />
: As per the help page [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt for covers]: "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field." If the only credit on this flap is for the design, then a cover is not added. If there is another credit somewhere, please provide a source.<br />
The edit will need to be rejected (so we do not create a cover that then will need to be cleaned up) but if you provide a link where the flap is visible, I will edit the book after that to include both the Jacket design information and the source. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I added external ID for Fantlab, which I was told to do by you recently, so I thought it was obvious where I got info from, but here it is: https://fantlab.ru/edition131050. See photo 6. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Adding an ID does not replace the note explaining the source. In the case of FantLab it provides the link that is required so that you can then attribute the exact information to them in the notes. Edit rejected and note and external ID added again as explained above. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library and covers ==<br />
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When you find the cover there, please also add the Open Library ID into the external IDs. While the links on the left usually lead to the Open Library book correctly (if there is an ISBN to use), this is not true for older books or in some cases where the ISBN is reused or Open Library has more than one version for this ISBN. No need to add a note unless there is something interesting in the record. See how I did it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207069 here]. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:02, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've probably already added several covers from that site since the one you linked, but when I use their covers in future I'll try to remember to add the ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:07, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add them to any I am approving if they cross my path. While it is not critical, it helps for non-verified books (showing that we are not the only ones believing that the book exists for example) and sometimes provide interesting details we lack (and which can go into the notes) :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Same request for FantLab covers (with the same reason). Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226381 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:32, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) One small note on Fantlab images. When you copy them directly, they contain at the end a session information (?r=1603912742 for example). Pull that out (anything after the ? and the ? itself) - while keeping them does not seem to cause any issues at the moment, it is unclear if it might in the future (the same reason why we clean Amazon images from all Amazon formatting). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine Rocks / Internet Archive links ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - we record titles as they appear in the book. In the Nine Rocks case in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268366 this pub], this means that a new ''Nine Rocks'' title needed to be created, and then varianted to the original ''Nine Rocks in a Row'' title (I've done that here, have a look)<br />
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Also, when you are retrieving information from an Internet Archive copy, please add the link to the Webpages multifield iso buried into the Note to moderators. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:48, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Song in the House ==<br />
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When you have a link such as https://www.amazon.co.uk/Song-House-Ann-BRIDGE/dp/B003AQ2G5I (an ASIN based Amazon link), there are two ways to record it in a publication. <br />
* If it belongs to the book itself, as was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547479 here], just record the ASIN in the ASIN field and then just mention Amazon (the correct one of the 16) in the notes (which you did here already).<br />
* If you are using it for a credit but the link is NOT for this edition, you can use a template instead: <nowiki>{{ASIN|B003AQ2G5I}}</nowiki> for example. All templates can be found [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here].<br />
As a rule, Amazon links are not to be recorded in the Webpages links - they are either ISBN10 based (in which case the ISBN carries them) or ASIN based (then we use the ASIN field). I fixed it in the linked book. Thanks for finding this one! Please note that the ASIN field is only used for ASINs starting with B, the number only ones are ISBN10 and we already have that higher on the page. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:19, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forgetful Robot ==<br />
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Does "page #" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331270 here] means the "Pages" field or the page number for each story (aka the contents page numbers)? Also - let's use the word "number" and not "#" in sentences in the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:50, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Contents page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Note updated. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ghost Story Treasury ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960950 this variant]? As one of the anthologies has no contents, we need a source either with contents or showing one of them as a reissue of the other. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:07, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I found this, http://www.locusmag.com/index/b444.htm, which mentions first U.S. edition, so I think they're the same, just retitled; if not sufficient, just reject; children's books are often hard to get info for. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:34, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yep, that is good enough (the First U.S. edition (Kingfisher 1987) part at the end of the the US listing). I will add a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:14, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== British Books with two prices ==<br />
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You left a note about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126061 this publication] which has both pre-decimal and decimal prices. If you check [[Template:PublicationFields:Price|this help section]], our policy is to reflect the pre-decimal price in the price field, so the existing record was incorrect. It's certainly also appropriate to reflect the decimal price in the notes. I'll correct this record, but wanted to call the standard to your attention. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:43, 15 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== It's for You ==<br />
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Where is the contents [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4959547 here] coming from? The Moderator note explains where the two dates are coming from but nothing about the rest of the stories or where the page numbers are coming from. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: https://www.amazon.com/Its-You-Keith-Minnion/dp/1950565084; (Look Inside). --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:13, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved with one note: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2855414 here] the date should be 2006, not 1989. We date the first appearance under that title. So I fixed that. And for the other story: we date when something is published officially; copyright and posting online can be added to the notes but are not used for dating. :) Thanks for finishing the contents. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== What Is Dungeons and Dragons? ==<br />
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If I approve [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4965935 this], it will change the data in a verified book. The PV is active so can you please discuss the change with him? If the credits are different, we will need variants. If they are the same, we need to fix BOTH the title records and the publications (once created, they need to be changed separately). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:23, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Apologies for interrupting, but FWIW, I had a copy of this as a kid (it may even still be lurking in a box somewhere at my parents' house) and I recall it having the 3 authors listed in this edit. My vague memory tells me that there wasn't much ISFDB-relevant in it though - maybe a chapter about fictional inspiration for RPGs - so I doubt it would be accepted as a new submission nowadays.<br />
: I notice [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10337 John Butterfield] also has a bunch of earlier artwork for US pubs (at least the ones I've checked). I'm pretty sure that will be a different person - my (again very vague) recollection of this book is that the authors were all recent graduates from the same UK university, so it seems unlikely this person was also doing pro-art for US publishers 3-4 years earlier. I don't know how/where you might be able to prove that though... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 13:57, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine and I do not disbelieve the edit. BUT there is an active PV on one of the books and the site policies and common courtesy require someone to talk to them because they have the book and can open it and check (despite being Transient - it was January 2021 so there is a chance they still have access or remember better than someone who saw it last century ... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:12, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And yeah - seems like two different people. Let me do some more digging. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Companion ==<br />
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I thought we agreed above that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966265 this kind of updates] will have notes added as well. I approved the previous one and added the note. I will approve this one and update again but can you please ADD notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:37, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been trying to add more notes since the above discussion but an edit that includes only a price that's on the cover which is on the ISFDB record and wasn't entered by prior editor for whatever reason doesn't require a note; notes are for info not visible like copyright pages and hardcover prices and whatnot. This series had the same price for all 15 books so price was obvious, anyway. I do so many of these edits every day that it's very tiring to remember to enter every last note and external ID and whatever else you all want, but I have been adding more. Perhaps it would be better if you just reject anything that you find something wrong with and explain what you need in the rejection note rather than sending message after message on my talk page. Or maybe you should confine your approval of my edits to only cover images which don't require anything else and leave the other edits to someone else. Unlike someone who I read on ISFDB recently who was complaining about how long it was taking to approve his edits, I really don't care how long it takes. I just add entries constantly, and when moderators approve them, they approve them. Take as long as you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:02, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And all that can be added to the notes. I've mentioned before that there are users who have vision issues and some covers are not very clear. Adding a note takes a few seconds - either from your time or from someone else's. Asking a moderator to do it because you cannot be bothered is not very nice. No moderator should be approving edits with no clear sources in the notes - and some had been reminded to be careful around your edit because of your refusal to add notes. So if you ask the moderator team to reject any incomplete edits from you, we can do that easily enough. Instead I am trying to work with you so you do not lose your time finding information that will be rejected later. If you prefer straight rejections with explanation instead, sure - that works as well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I would prefer any edit I make from now on that you find fault with to be rejected with a note saying what was wrong with it rather than sending a message to my talk page which is now extremely long; I'm tired of seeing that yellow bar pop up with another message complaining about something. My info is almost always correct because I verify every edit I make, so the problem is not with the quality but the process. I've noticed since our discussion above that I'm slowly moving away from adding hardcover flap prices and exact months and all the other minutiae I've been doing the last few months and going back to adding more cover images and finding rare info nobody else can like I was when I started, so sometime soon these "adding notes" talks will be moot because I won't be doing anything that requires them, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:33, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One thing that I believe I mentioned earlier is that cover scan hosted by third party sites, including Amazon, can be transient. We have seen thousands of image URLS die over the years.<br />
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:::: On the other hand, the data that we store in the ISFDB database is backed up once a day, except for images, which are backed up once a week. We make our backups publicly available once a week and many people (all over the world) faithfully download them. In addition, our software is publicly available. Nothing short of a worldwide disaster on the level of dinosaur-killing asteroid will make it impossible to rebuild the ISFDB database. Think of any Note text that you add as your own personal slice of immortality :-)<br />
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:::: Re: price visibility, are you saying that you can easily read the price printed on [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IWnJffnnL.jpg this cover scan]? If you are, you are better at pattern recognition that most humans. All I see is blurry white lines. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:49, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Swamp Witch ==<br />
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Please talk to the PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966285 here]. This kind of changes should always be discussed with the PVs as you had been reminded more than once. Sometimes it may turn out that they have a slightly different edition than the one you found online. That's why we have the PV system. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I cancelled my submission. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:05, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wikipedia as a source ==<br />
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Hi. A word of warning about Wikipedia as a source: You can't necessarily trust information in Wikipedia articles. It's best to look at the cited references and try to find the original source for the information in the article. We need to be careful about propagating assumptions and/or outright errors. For example, your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960968 proposed date change] for ''The Hunt for Red October'' based on Wikipedia's October 1, 1984. I poked around a little, and it's not clear October 1 is correct or the article's source for it. The [https://tomclancy.com/product/the-hunt-for-red-october Tom Clancy] site does say October 1, but the [https://www.usni.org/press/books/hunt-red-october ISNI Press] site says October 2.<br />
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BTW, I don't see why we shouldn't have listings for publications of that title. I'm checking to see what others think. I have your edit on hold. Assuming we should have publication records, a record for the first edition would be a better place to try to explain the above dating disagreement than in the title record. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:31, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:p.s. I got reminded of why we don't have publication records.... :-) Oh well. So I accepted the submission but removed the day (so just dated October 1984), and I added a note stating the publication date is uncertain, explaining the discrepancy and linking the above sources. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:14, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Catalog of Copyright #TX0001475353 puts 1984-10-03 as the official registered date of publication. The registration was accepted on 1984-10-29.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:03, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Nice find. I expanded the notes, adding that, with [https://publicrecords.copyright.gov/detailed-record/13828104 this link] (probably not permanent, but it looks likely to get a permanent replacement someday). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:22, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking translations ==<br />
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To link a translation to the original title, we use "Make This Title a Variant" -- the translation is the "child"/variant, and the original is the "parent"/canonical title. So where you discovered the missing introduction in {{P|368060|Cold House}}, the linking necessarily had to wait for the approval of your submission that added it. Then one could go to {{T|2298089|Einleitung (Das kalte Haus)}} and make it the variant of the newly added title, which I have done. Now both of the titles show the relationship to the other, and if you take a look at {{P|645515|Das kalte Haus}}, you'll see the German introduction is annotated as a translation of Ketchum's English introduction.<br />
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The complementary scenario exists when adding a new title that's a translation of an existing title -- the relationship between new and existing needs to be established in the other direction, but doing so still has to wait for the new title to be created. So what you did with making a note to the moderator about the translation relationship between the new title and the existing title is perfect; the moderator processing the submission can know to go make the variant relationship while processing the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:45, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest: 1972 ''Exorcism''(s) ==<br />
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I can see the covers on the edition of Exorcism [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835576 you submitted] and on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359576 previously existing record] are different, with both clearly showing the W101Z, $1.25 and Lexington Press. It would be interesting to know how those two editions are related. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:56, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, it would; the publisher has no other books on ISFDB. This, http://www.bradmiddleton.ca/2020/02/exorcism-1971-by-eth-natasor-was-it.html, gives a good review of the book but just mentions the "alternate cover"; the reason I added that cover here is because it's an actual cover and not just some text on a black background like the other one, plus it's really stupid. I see that searching on Worldcat for "all editions" gives a 1972 Lexington House ed. but also a 1974 Manor Books ed., which I see you added 2 printings of, but Worldcat says the later ed. is also 190 pages, so you may want to add that, too; searching for Eth Natas gives only 2 hits, this book and an encyclopedia article which gives an error page if you click on it; searching for a Lexington House in Jamaica, N.Y. gives only this book so apparently they were one-and-done. This, https://www.etsy.com/listing/938956379/exorcism-witchcraft-possession-the-dead, shows the back cover of the Manor ed.; this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Exorcism-Eth-Natas/dp/0532122062, gives an ISBN. Hope this helps, MartyD. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:53, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== John R. Holt pseudonym of Raymond Giles? ==<br />
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I stumbled upon [https://www.librarything.com/author/holtjohnr this] LibraryThings statement. Currently those two authors are not linked with each other in the ISFDB. Do you agree that {{a|John R. Holt}} is a pseudonym of {{a|Raymond Giles}}? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:04, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes. It's mentioned several places on the web, but this is a good one: https://darkeyesoflondon.blogspot.com/2020/12/. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:33, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for the confirmation. I've linked both authors and made Giles the canonical name. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:16, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Judgement vs. Judgment ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4972212 your edit] on hold for a moment. Could you check with SFJuggler (by leaving a note on his talk page) whether it's indeed a typo, or if it's written as Judg'''e'''ment Day on the title page instead? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:12, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV said it's his typo, and my edit is correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:27, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fifth Season ==<br />
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On your submissions for "The Fifth Season" and "People of the Night". Looking at the pictures, both sure look like they are stapled and are therefor ph. And all the stories in "The Fifth Season" should be short stories; how can any story in a collection 40 pages long be anything else? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:20, 27 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Timothy Mulcahy ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4978840 this]? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:He has a website, timmulcahy.com, but I don't see any definite links between the stories in both records on ISFDB, so it can be rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:43, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, unfortunately that website only mentions the "Birth Screams of Angels" story. I added the website to {{A|Tim Mulcahy}} based on that, but rejected the variant. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:19, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Different Drummer ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4984120 this submission]: Is the Internet Archive copy you found [https://archive.org/details/differentdrummer00kell_1 this one]? Or is there another version I'm not seeing? The reason I ask is that is a copy of the third printing per the number line so it's not clear if the date is for the original printing or that third printing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:19, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That's the one; the foreword is copyright 1989 so it's a new edition, but it also says the original Anchor edition was 1969, which is also on ISFDB with no cover; looking online it seems to have a different cover, so they updated a few things for this one. I almost added the wrong cover to the 1989 book because Amazon had some other cover which is for another edition. You may be right about the third printing, but the price other editor entered was much higher than the 1 on the archive.org copy, so why would the 1st printing be more expensive than the 3rd? Also, there's a note about Amazon saying it's from May 1990, so I'm not sure about all this, but since PV is no longer active and my info came from an actual copy of the book, I think we should go with mine, and if someone else has a copy of the first printing with a 1989 date on the back cover they can always enter that on ISFDB as another edition; book on archive.org says 0690 on back so if PV had a copy of the book it should have a similar --89 date, but I guess they missed that and just used date on copyright page. Adding a note that the archive.org copy is the 3rd printing would be good, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:04, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The copyright page has "Anchor Books Editions: 1969, 1989" so seems like 1989 would be the correct year for this first printing and the "0690" would be for the third printing. The price is suspect, but prices can change between printings. Yes, it would be nice to be able to ask the verifier to double check the price and if there is a date code on the back. But as they are no longer active, we cannot and we have to go with the information we have. We create separate records for each printing so I have cloned the record and created a third printing. I sourced that to the archive.org scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:47, 18 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Incomplete cover ==<br />
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Hello username! It was kind of you to add a cover to my verified book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?753227 Weltraum Nr. 1], but it's incomplete. In the middle of the cover there is still a painting. Greetings Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:40, 17 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Drive In The Bus Tour ==<br />
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I approved your submission of changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312004 The Drive In: The Bus Tour], even with the new cover scan. The original scan was much better IMHO. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:40, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The cover I added shows full art including what's on the back. It may be a little glossy when small like a lot of small-press hardcovers, but clicking makes it bigger and much easier to see the art. ISFDB's policy of shrinking all images down has the unfortunate side effect of making a lot of covers and author images hard to see; some display better when clicked or opened in a new tab, some don't; this one does. And if the cover art is continued on the back cover it's usually better to use that so users can see it in full, unless the image is so bad that it's not feasible to use it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Dog / Queta Non Movere ==<br />
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Hello, can you provide source for your varianting statement [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4993714 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:45, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I discovered this months ago and left a message on ISFDB asking if anyone knew more; months passed and nobody answered so I decided to enter it. The original edition of Dark Encounters and a recent Polygon edition use the original title, but the 1984 John Goodchild edition decided to use the title here, https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbchomeservice/basic/1961-10-12. I suspect they changed it because people these days wouldn't understand the Latin title so they gave it a more "horror-y" title. Online reviews that discuss "Quieta Non Movere" mention a black dog so they're the same story. There's a copy of the 1984 edition on Google Books and on Fantlab, https://fantlab.ru/edition219644. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:03, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've approved the varianting, and added a note to the Black Dog title record, stating Fantlab has this as 'Quieta Non Movere'. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:57, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm glad to finally get this info entered on ISFDB; one change I would suggest, though, is making the note refer to the BBC link I provided above, since that is the only hit I got when I searched on Google for the "Black Dog..." title and is probably when the title was originally changed. The "Black Dog..." title doesn't link to Fantlab on Google because in their usual sloppy fashion they list titles from 1963 edition on 1984 edition's page and forgot to change the title from "Quieta..." to "Black Dog...", so the only way people would know the title was changed is if they clicked on the photos from the book. Another thing is I decided to search Internet Archive for the "Black Dog..." title and again got only 1 hit, https://archive.org/details/Radiocorriere-1961-41, so there's 1 more bit of proof that this was the title they used for radio. Why only the 1984 edition of Dark Encounters decided to use that title is anyone's guess. I will add an edit now with the external ID for Fantlab so people can go there if they want to see the photos. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:32, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Sure, feel free to add the two references into the pub notes (and URL in the web multifield). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:54, 30 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Making of The Wizard of Oz ==<br />
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Hello! I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252547 The Making of The Wizard of Oz] and correct your wrong ISBN record. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:24, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Danke. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:30, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== [no subject] ==<br />
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Where exactly did you get the impression that I have a problem with people disagreeing with me? That's a problem of yours, not mine. <br><br />
It's difficult to get across subtle nuances online, but you seemed to get prickly when I asked if you were a moderator. Why? I was just wondering if maybe you could approve the change for me. <br><br />
I'm just as good an editor as you, although not as prolific. Sometimes I make mistakes, but I catch them and fix them. I'm fully aware of every missing link in every issue I've entered, and why it's missing. You couldn't be sure of that, of course, and I appreciate you trying to help. I also really appreciated your kind words about my efforts to add Fangoria, and your offer of help. I wish I'd said so.<br><br />
You say "tantrum", I say "prank". It's your six-month anniversary, and one of the better editors should surely have a biography!--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 01:22, 18 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Username? It would help if you answered those two questions, please.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:28, 26 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
When you forgive my sarcasm (which trumps rudeness!), I'd like to take you up on your offer of help with Fangoria. If you want to verify the issues that you have, or add anything that belongs, that would be great.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 21:21, 28 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Jason Alexander ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5036748 this submission]: It looks like {{A|Jason Alexander}} is multiple people. The only record I was able to confirm to be by the actor is "Dad, Are You The Tooth Fairy?" (plus probably the two interviews). Are you aware of any others? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:17, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:The 1978 novel is not by the actor since he was only 18 or 19 at the time; the publisher has 5 books on Open Library, and 1 by Alexander is readable, revealing that author is a Libertarian Ayn Rand type. The art is all within the same time period so most likely is by the same artist. So the actor wrote the Tooth Fairy book and the 2 interviews are with him also because there's lots of info online about him appearing on Trek. That leaves the essay; no info online about which Alexander wrote that, but if I had to guess it's by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:57, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yup, that was my thought. I will divide them up. By the way, I moved your response from my talk page over to here as it keeps the conversation together. That allows someone else in the future to more easily figure it out if they have questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:25, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Red ==<br />
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I approved you submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2721847 Dangerous Red], but you need to clone the pub under that title and enter the 2003 edition in edition to the new edition. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:22, 3 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moorstones ==<br />
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Hello, could you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0907349307&type=ISBN]? It has two publication records with identical ISBN, but different publishers. (2nd one is the one you cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5066858 here]). Is this expected? Or must the ISBN of the Spindlewood edition be removed? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:57, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this myself on Community Portal under "Moorstones". Since edition I entered came from the actual book on Archive.org I would trust that and assume the ISBN for later edition was taken from some online info that had the wrong one; of course it's possible they both use same ISBN, so someone needs to produce the Salem edition to check. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Salem House edition info is copied from Locus. They could be wrong about the ISBN.--[[User:Chris J|Chris J]] 19:34, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delete notes ==<br />
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Hello! I hold your submission of ''Our Gang (Starring Tricky and His Friends)''. Are you sure that you want to delete all notes? Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:10, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That was an extra note about the quote on last page; don't know why it thinks I wanted to delete previous notes, way the software works I guess, but it's an extra note, not meant to replace previous ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:46, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I've approve your submission and restore the notes. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:08, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Grey Matter Variant ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069181 edit] to change the date to 1978 for the variant of King's story with the title as "Grey Matter"? Our earliest appearance of the story with that spelling is now November 1987, after your edits to the Pan publication. I'll also note that you really should have checked with the verifier of that book before submitting those edits. I had to contact them and make sure it was OK before approving them. They noted that there is a 1978 copyright date but, but the book doesn't indicate what title was used for the 1978 publication. I'll change the record to 1987 for now and continue to hold your edit depending on your source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The story was published in an American porn mag and then collected in Night Shift in 1978. It was Gray in America but Grey in England, and since the English edition also came out in '78 that was its first appearance. I brought this up somewhere on the boards months ago and 1 of you responded saying that every book where the story appears would need to be checked to see how it's spelled, so now I got the ball rolling; others can check their copies or online and verify if it was spelled Grey in all other British publications, whether Night Shift editions or Pan Books or anything else. Sometimes I notice a book was PV'd and check with them first, sometimes I don't. I was on my way out of here recently until a hurricane and terrorists made it impossible for me to travel. The barbarians are at the gate, so the fact I'm still here is a miracle; that may not be true much longer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::First off, stay safe wherever you are. You didn't really answer the question. You assert that all UK editions have the variant title and that it was first published in the UK in 1978. Where did you get those pieces of information? We do not list a 1978 UK edition. There is none listed in Contento1, which is our chief source for pre-1984 collections. Worldcat has one record published by Hodder & Stoughton and one by New English Library, both for 1978, but neither records list the contents. I'm going to reject the edit to change the variant date for now. If you have a source you can cite, we can revisit this. Lastly, checking with active verifiers when you are changing the spelling of content is not optional. You need to do that every time. It's especially important when you don't have a source for your information as it appears you did not in this case. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:39, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: www.stephenkingcollector.com/identifyingUK1st.html; www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Night+Shift+-+Trade+HC+UK; https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/9047442.pdf (spells it GREY and even says what pages it's on); 1978 was NEL's HC Night Shift date; most King books were published in America and Britain close together. The reason why the British edition is not on ISFDB isn't because it doesn't exist but because nobody ever bothered to enter it. Sounds unlikely, but I've entered many editions by very well-known authors (Straub, Koontz, etc.) which should have been here but weren't. The Pan Book of Horror Stories definitely says "GREY Matter" because I actually found a photo of the contents page, and it seems that it was the only British anthology that story ever appeared in, at least as far as ISFDB says, so the only question now is whether all of the many British editions of Night Shift spell it that way, which seems very likely to me. So the British spelling's date almost certainly originates from the 1978 NEL Night Shift, but if you don't want to change it that's on you. As for checking with PV's, there was a time when I never checked because in almost every case my changes turned out to be correct, but eventually I started checking and have done so many times, but often I forget since I'm only human. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:31, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: https://www.booksandyou.in/product/night-shift1; the cached Google version still works, and includes a photo showing contents with "Grey Matter"; ISBN matches British editions on ISFDB but price is different, so it's some unknown printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:15, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bad Candy ==<br />
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Posted an answer on my [[User_talk:MagicUnk|talk page]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Bad_Candy here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:50, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Type change of ''The X-Files Book of the Unexplained, Volume II'' ==<br />
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Could you please confirm [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5076872 this update] with SFJugger first? That would be appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I think you meant SFJuggler. There's nothing really to confirm, since the first volume is NF on ISFDB; he just made a mistake and entered it as a collection. Also, see this link under Non-fiction books; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X-Files_literature. If y'all disagree you can cancel my edit, that's fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:43, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I've accepted the submission, and added the link to the Moderators notes for reference. And it's not really about disagreeing (I'm impartial, as I don't have any interest either way), it's about confirming and ensuring a primary verifier agrees with your suggested update. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:04, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding covers found in other editions ==<br />
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When you are adding a cover artist because the art matches that of another publication already in the database. Please don't simply add the name of the artist to the publication record. This will result in a new COVERART title record which will then require an additional edit to merge it with the other title record from the source publication. A better approach would be to import the COVERART title used in the other publication(s) into the publication where it is missing. For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5084890 this edit] would create a new title which would then need to be merged with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1140800 this existing] title record. Instead, just grab the Title Record # from the existing record (1140800) and use the Import Content tool (Option 2) to add the COVERART to the publication. This way, you won't have to go back and submit merge edits. Let me know if you have any questions. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:07, 16 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moby Dick ==<br />
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HI! The official title is "Moby Dick; Or, The Whale" , would this be better as the parent and Moby Dick as the variant?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:05, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Wikipedia says The Whale as a 3-volume book in GB and Moby Dick as a single volume in America. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:12, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Stupid Amazon has piles of books with that title! Should have read more of the Wiki article :/[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:38, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library link in "Death and Resurrection" ==<br />
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Please explain the open library link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362571 here]. It should obviously be in one of the editions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1325558 New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Prior editor wrote note about wrong ISBN on copyright page vs. right ISBN on back cover; Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Archive.org link but the page I linked to does; my note explains about right author but wrong title. Clicking Preview shows MacAvoy's book. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: So write a more comprehensible note. No one understands this as it is now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's perfectly comprehensible. There's some other editor's note about different ISBN's, and there's my new note about how the Open Library page I linked to shows wrong title but right author. I don't usually link directly to non-public domain books on Archive.org because many of them aren't supposed to be there and often get taken down after complaints. I have a feeling you're just being difficult because of my refuting of all your hostile messages recently. If that's the case, you don't have to check my edits anymore. There's many other people working here. Or you can be professional and act like an adult. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:01, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: This has nothing to do with being hostile. Clicking the link you provided brings you to [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL26775558M/New_Cthulhu_The_Recent_Weird this page]. It shows the cover of 'New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird' which is obvously wrong. How do you expect people to know that it shows the right edition after clicking through if you don't explain this in the note? <br />
:::: I'll be perfectly happy if you don't touch my primary verifications anymore, that would save me a lot of wasted time. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:21, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: In order not to receive any more of your messages about this issue, I will add an extra note to that record explaining in exact detail that the Preview link must be clicked in order to read MacAvoy's book, for all the slow adults out there who can't figure out how to click a button. I also just added a message on Community Portal about this topic, so now it's preserved for the ages. You also spelled obviously incorrectly. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::As the other verifier of this publication record, I have to object to this. It seems completely bizarre to me to include a link to the OL record for the Guran anthology in the record for the MacAvoy novel in order to provide a link to the archive record that happens to be incorrectly linked from OL record. Why not simply add the internet archive link directly? You mention that you don't want to for fear of it being taken down. If it is taken down, why would the OL still have it. I also have to reiterate (how many times have I asked you before?) that you need to check with the verifiers before making this sort of change. Had I been consulted first, I would have told you not to link to the wrong book, and I suspect from these comments that Willem would have agreed. I'm going to back out these changes and link to the internet archive directly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I don't know what's in the air recently, but you people are making way too big a deal about this. If you want to complain, complain to Prime Books for printing Death and Resurrection's ISBN in New Cthulhu. The Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Preview button to click, so anyone visiting that page would think the book is not readable at the Archive, so I provided an OL link to the page that actually has the Preview button which takes you to Death and Resurrection; wrong cover and title mean nothing, since it's the double ISBN's in the book itself that are responsible for the confusion. I've noticed you frequently add archive.org links to records for books that are not public domain; that's risky, since many are taken down due to copyright complaints; one of my first edits here on ISFDB was for a Noel Langley story from Saturday Evening Post that was reprinted in his 1950 collection under a different title; it still hasn't been changed because by the time I started editing here those issues were all gone because of copyright issues, so I was never able to prove it. So you can add whatever you want to, but when they come calling you'll have to deal with them. I don't appreciate your hostile tone, especially since I did a good thing by adding a link to a book that would have otherwise gone unread by most. Also, why would I contact PV about adding an external ID; I'm not changing anything you did. You rarely have anything positive to say and only message me when you have a complaint about something trivial like this; if I had a dollar for every time I've had to fix wrong info and saw your name as the one who entered that info I'd be rich, so get off your high horse. When I contacted your friend up there months ago to let him know I'd done some changes on a book he PV'd he responded with extreme rudeness, so if you want me to contact PV every time I make some change, even if it's unnecessary as in this case, then maybe y'all should learn how to respond like adults. I've been 1 of the most prolific editors here this year, and was ready to take a long break recently, until circumstances beyond my control put a stop to that, but if I continue to receive constant complaints about my work that may change. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Please do not edit archived discussions ==<br />
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I have reverted [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal%2FArchive%2FArchive50&diff=613373&oldid=608314 your edit]. If you need to post an update to the discussion, please don't edit the archived discussion pages. Very few people will see anything posted on the archived discussion pages, so anything impportant posted there will be unseen by most everyone. Instead, please post it on the appropriate discussion page as a new topic (in this case, on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] page). I recommend doing that for this one, and then link to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive50#Missing Cover for Blood Rare|archived discussion like this]]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:01, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm the one who wrote the original message; finding the cover by accident more than 6 months later, I went back and added a note about that. Nobody responded during that 6+ months, so I doubt anyone cares that I finally found the cover; if they ever look for that book they'll see the cover in its record. I was writing the note to myself, as I've done with several other recent findings by me for old messages I left that no one ever answered, so that when I look back over all my messages as I do sometimes I know which ones were solved. No need for a new topic because the case is closed. Most of my very numerous messages have never been answered, so if I want to talk to myself, だから何だ? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:38, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I understand. Please don't edit archived discussion, however. I suspect the one of the biggest reasons so many of your messages don't get answered is because there are so many of them it's hard for anyone to keep up with them. It might be good to make a user sub-page to keep track of them, and ask people to follow that. Then you can keep track of which have been answered there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:07, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Translations ==<br />
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As you are venturing into translations, a few notes:<br />
* We need the translator up on the title level so we know which titles need merging if there are multiple publications. I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2926829 this one]<br />
* We have a template for recording the translators - Tr. You can see in the example above how it is used. It is one of those "if one day we start recording translators" preparations. When you do not add it or do not use the template, it pops up on a report and someone will need to fix it later. <br />
* For Spanish, our external ID LTF stands for https://tercerafundacion.net/ - which is a good place for additional verification and data for Spanish language books. They definitely do not have everything but when they do, they have more information than most. So if you plan to work on Spanish, you may want to check them occasionally.<br />
Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:25, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I wasn't venturing into translations, it was just a random book I came across while searching for other things. I was surprised it wasn't here already so I took a shot at entering it; I entered most info correctly, and points you brought up are ISFDB-specific, not related to the book itself. I also was on that LTF page before I entered the info but didn't know ISFDB had an external ID for them. I barely comprehend English so when I enter one of my very rare new publications for a foreign-language book it's because it interested me in some way, not because I have any interest in entering foreign editions. I'm running on fumes here, so even working on English-language publications doesn't interest me much anymore. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine - but if you do translations, keep these in mind. You had the translator, it was just in the wrong notes. So I am stopping by with an advice on how to reduce the number of edits needed later when you add translations. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:48, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The High Holidays are over, but… ==<br />
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Forgiven me yet? :'( --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 03:09, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Unexplained edits affecting verified publications ==<br />
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Hi. This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5121886 submission] is a good example of where you could save moderators a lot of work. You propose to change a title that appears in multiple verified publications, at least one of which has an active primary verifier. You provided no note explaining why (yes, it looks like an obvious misspelling, but what makes you think it's incorrect?), you did not check with the verifier, and the main secondary source -- Locus1 -- has the spelling as recorded in the entry. I did the Locus1 check, I asked MLB to confirm the spelling in the book he verified, and now I'm leaving you a note. Maybe others skipped over it due to lack of explanation and following of process; maybe someone else would have rejected it outright. But for me, what could have taken a few seconds to process has turned into many minutes (and I'm still not done with it). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]]<br />
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: Well, there's this, [https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/uQEAAOSwlRBg3pQW/$/Jack-Ketchum-Exit-at-Toledo-Blade-Boulevard-_57.jpg], where it's spelled SLEAZY, and there's also this, https://www.amazon.com/Peaceable-Kingdom-Jack-Ketchum/dp/1477806547, where searching inside gives 1 hit for SLEAZY but no hits for SLEASY, and there's a note saying the 47North edition was taken directly from the Leisure edition, so the spelling would be the same there, too. There's also the fact that searching Google for the title with the wrong spelling only lists a handful of sites, with ISFDB first and Locus next, with the few other sites obviously having taken their info directly from ISFDB. So what probably happened, as happens very often, is Locus lists wrong info (like every other online site), editor here copies it verbatim without verifying from an actual copy, and the wrong info remains, sometimes for a decade or more, until I come along and fix it, as I've done thousands of times before, because I do check physical copies or online scans of physical copies and never trust what some online site tells me. Also, 1 PV hasn't been here since 2019, 1 is in German so the title would be in German, too, and the other PV, MLB, has told me before, as have others, that if I fix something like this to just go ahead without contacting them because in almost every case my fix turns out to be correct. Thanks to Username for fixing this; you're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:45, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Wow. Thanks for the feedback. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:55, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: As we discussed in the past, this information should be included in the submission. Moderators do not have the time to replicate this kind of in-depth research and there is no reason to force them to re-do something that you have already done. As the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/newpub.cgi?Anthology New Publication Web page] says in the "Source of Data" section, if the submitted data comes from "Other website, later printing/edition or another source", the source should be explained in the Publication Note field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:32, 19 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blue World type change ==<br />
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There are six PVs on this title, and only one of them was contacted regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125135 changing this] from SHORTFICTION (novella) to NOVEL. Did you actually do a word count estimate? Your note didn't indicate that (rather stating only that it was "novel length in every edition it appears in". Please contact them and have them comment here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:37, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I only contacted 1 PV because they're the only active one, as I explained in my note to Taweiss where I said YOU'RE THE ONLY ACTIVE PV. Also, a word count is unnecessary because every edition on ISFDB has a page count for "Blue World" well above a novella as described on ISFDB's Wiki for what constitutes novella-length. It's probably just the usual where it was called a novella when originally entered and then copied without anyone actually noticing it's novel-length. Thanks for fixing this, Username. You're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:09, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Keep in mind that using page count to estimate the word count depends greatly on the font size, margin size, page size, and other things. Additionally, the page counts are referring to the collection it appears in. I don't see any instance where ''Blue World'' has appeared all by itself in any volume. Our listings show only appearances in collections. And while the page counts for this story (ranging from about 133-199) seem to indicate it's likely over 40,000 words, until Taweiss responds, we don't have any way to know. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:26, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry for the delay. Traveling for work. With a length of 174 pages, and around 50K works, it's a novel. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 08:58, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::No worries. Thanks for chiming in. The submission has been approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:38, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Freebird? ==<br />
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What was the purpose of posting a link to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiCZFhEpRDI this YouTube clip], which I have removed from the Community Portal? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:17, 31 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I see that you are back, creating submissions and responding on Talk pages. I have put your last batch of submissions on hold. Please answer the question above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:00, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I'm not back; the Talk page I responded to was for a question I asked nearly 9 months ago which the PV, Chavey, finally answered by asking me for a link to the record I was asking about instead of just typing the title himself, so I provided him that link; the Shroud Magazine submissions were just a passing fancy while checking my recently approved edits and noticing that the contents of most Shroud issues are on Philsp.com, including 1 short story in the same issue as the essay I imported recently, which led me to import it (and changing the date to match) and then, as usual, going the extra mile by importing 3 Derek M. Fox essays I noticed were never imported, either (someone imported a 4th Fox essay years ago and varianted it because I became 1; I don't know if that's correct so someone else will have to decide about that). I'm not doing my usual dozens/100+ edits a day for the foreseeable future, but if I feel the need to add something here and there I will. The title of the YouTube clip explains itself. God Bless America, Impeach Biden, Trump 2024. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:09, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. I have released the hold on the submissions.<br />
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::: Let me reiterate and clarify what I said [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Fantlab on your Talk page back in April] and then again [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Gorey on Annie's Talk page on October 29]. The ISFDB is a strictly bibliographic project. Some of our contributors are from countries which were at war with each other not so long ago. We have contributors from across the ideological spectrum. If we were to allow politics on Wiki pages, the project would implode. For these reasons political statements are not allowed here. Please keep this in mind and act accordingly going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Buzzelli's [A] Gift of Evil ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could you double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823891 this] publication. Both Reginald3 and Worldcat have the title as "A Gift of Evil". I'll be adding the external IDs for those two sources. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Reginald also notes Roman numbered pages through xi, though Worldcat does not. If you could verify that as well, it would be appreciated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:51, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: It's Gift of Evil on front and back covers, title and copyright pages, and every left-hand page in the book; the Prologue starts on vii and ends on xi. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:56, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I updated the page count. I also added a note about the discrepancy with the secondary sources which will hopefully prevent someone else from asking you the same question again. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:56, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Screwup ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147311 this submission]: The Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/maddogsummerothe00joer/page/n9/mode/2up scan] of the hc anthology shows the title as "Screwup" (both on TOC and title page). Is there a specific version you believe is "Screw Up"? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:37, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The scan is of Lansdale's collection; the anthology is 'Til Death Do Us Part, which is on Google Books; I believe I provided a link in 1 of those edits, but I can't rightly recall 'cause it's been so long. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:47, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Your edit would change the collection and not the anthology. Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147310 prior edit], would create a new record for the anthology, but that cannot be edited until it is accepted. You were changing the original record which would remain the one for the collection. I have accepted the unmerge, rejected the title change, changed the new record for anthology, and varianted them together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Dude, that was a quality stream of info there. I'll take your word for it that everything's correct now, so thanks. Variants are my kryptonite. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:23, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Boy Scouts Year Book of Ghost and Mystery Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5157750 this submission]: Thank you for finding this. For a number of the authors being changed, these were the only stories in the database for them and the author records had data. Due to how the software works, that would have resulted in the existing author records and their data being deleted and new ones created. To not loose the existing author data, I edited the author records instead. As I wasn't sure how this would impact your submission, I duplicated the changes in another edit vs. approving yours. Long winded way of saying, I had to reject your edit, but not because there was anything wrong - just an artifact of how the software handles author name changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: OK. EDIT: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622565; I think that note isn't needed anymore since title was fixed; "Riddle of Bat Cove" gets no hits on Google while "Riddle of Bat Cave" gets a few hits; also this one: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622555, where title was also fixed. EDIT: I just went ahead and did some cleaning up of notes, but whoever entered them had trouble keeping them uniform, with some including a name, a few including alternate names, some having no names, and eventually just getting tired of using the word "appeared". It was messy, but I think I cleaned up most of it; however, you may have to fix a few things in those stories where alternate names are entered; I noticed Whitfield's story had an empty record for Raoul, while Raoul F. was filled in. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:05, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::Edits accepted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:23, 26 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Psychic Fair ==<br />
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What are you trying to achieve with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5164235 this edit]? You are unmerging all the contents which would leave a blank record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:02, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: George M. O'Har published the PB Psychic Fair and then many years later it was reprinted but he dropped the M. Whoever entered these new editions didn't variant them to his full name and 1 edition was in the same record as the original while the other was standalone. I varianted the standalone and I think that's OK, but I thought the edition merged with the original had to be unmerged first before varianting it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:17, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::In looking at it some more, the Vivisphere Publishing edition still under George M. O'Har was a duplicate (same ISBN, same format, same date, same price, etc.) of the other. I deleted it. We should be all good now, but let me know if I missed something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:37, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162842; I had a similar situation with a stray on some other book recently and a couple of mods had to decide how to fix it; I guess you know if this one needs fixing, too. After that, I guess this is all done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:41, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::::{{A|George O'Har|162842}} needed to be made an alternate name of {{A|George M. O'Har|5046}}. Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 5 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== When You Look Down to Find Yourself Going But Not Yet Gone ==<br />
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There were no notes included with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5189192 this submission] for changing the date. The publication is PVd by [[User talk:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], too, and I don't see any indication this change was discussed. The submission is on hold until you discuss the change with the PV and provide a reason for the change. I'll keep an eye here for that. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:10, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Because the book the poems were first published in, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263421, which is mentioned 8 times in the link I provided, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2004/t20.htm#A380, when I imported them, has that date on ISFDB. Also, PV doesn't respond anymore; http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:58, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Then please mention that. Just providing a link doesn't mean what's obvious to you will be obvious to anyone else. In this case, there are well over 100 poems listed at that link, so it's really not obvious what you are trying to do. If you make it easier for anyone working on approving your submissions, things will go much more quickly and smoothly. We shouldn't have to come pester you for information you could easily include in a moderator note.<br />
::As for Mhhutchins, yes, he no longer responds to posts on his talk page, but he suggests to either email him or post about major changes on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]], neither of which you did (as far as I can tell). Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:31, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for Dime Novel Roundup ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5206557 submission] to add a cover scan to ''Dime Novel Roundup''. The image that you are entering is certainly the cover for the paperback edition. Do you have any source that the hardcover had a jacket with the same cover? While Open Library provides a link to the Internet Archive scan of the hardcover without a jacket, they do not specify which edition their record is for. I was aware of this image when I entered the record, but I couldn't find any image of the hardcover edition with a dust jacket. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: https://www.worldcat.org/title/dime-novel-roundup-annotated-index-1931-1981/oclc/9649579/editions?referer=di&editionsView=true; all editions with covers have the same one. I don't know if that's proof, but other Bowling Green publications on ISFDB have same covers for HC and TP. If not enough, cancel. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:52, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Unfortunately, Worldcat frequently shows stock images that do not reflect the same edition as in the record. I actually think it is likely that the same image was used for the dust jacket, but without evidence we should probably leave the hardcover edition without a cover until one can be found. Amazon doesn't show a cover for the hardcover, nor does the copy available on ABE books. You could clone this pub and create a record for the paperback with the image. However since the Open Library record isn't specific to any edition, I wouldn't list it in either publication record. You could list it as a link in the title record though. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:37, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: You're right; problem is I stopped caring about any of this long ago and am only continuing to edit to pass the time in a productive way instead of far worse things I could be doing. I've tried to leave several times, as I've explained somewhere on these boards before, but circumstances keep getting in the way. My goal is to eventually stop regular editing and only add an occasional edit now and then to keep me from getting the dreaded "no longer active" designation. The way things are going in the world now, especially in America where I live, this whole silly internet thing may be a thing of the past soon, anyway. You still seem to care, so if you want to do any of the things you mentioned above, be my guest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:15, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ian McKellen ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5209791 this submission]: Do you have a source for the author of the essay being the actor? Or are you just basing it on being the same name? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The image is Ian McKellen starring in the film Apt Pupil, based on the work by Stephen King. He played a former Nazi, thus the uniform. This, https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780753461075, mentions it's the guy who played Gandalf who wrote the intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:33, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Outlaws of the Moon ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5210829 this edit]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The other edition by this publisher has the same cover; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3466. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::When using a secondary source to add information (especially for a verified pub), the source must be stated in the pub notes. I have accepted the edit & added the note. In the future, please add the note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:05, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: The PV of the edition with no cover artist, Bluesman, hasn't been active for years, so it's not like I could contact him and say, "Hey, I'm importing a cover art credit into your book because you didn't bother to check the other covers on ISFDB and notice there's another edition with the same art as your PV'd copy"; I just checked, and Bluesman entered the American edition, too, so why he didn't know who did the cover for the Canadian edition is a mystery), and the cover art credit says the art is a variant of the Perry Rhodan art, so writing that in the notes seems redundant. But you must know best because you're a moderator. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:17, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Documenting secondary sources in pub notes is required per our rules. If you believe a varianted cover art record is sufficient documentation, you are welcome to start a [[Rules and standards discussions]] to change the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:25, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Bus ==<br />
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Hello. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5213606 your submissoin]. For non-fiction collections that are wholly non-fiction, we tend to record these as NONFICTION, and not as COLLECTION if I am not mistaken. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type Title Type] rules that says, ''This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction'', and ''A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant.'' You may want to ask a 2nd opinion though. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:52, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: The collection and anthology types require fiction; a non-fiction book is recorded as NONFICTION in the DB regardless if it is one complete text or a collection/anthology of essays and/or reviews and/or interviews (the difference can be noted in the Title notes and for the ones which contain smaller independent pieces, the contents is appreciated if someone wants to type the titles/authors). We also record all art books as NONFICTION (then the contents will be INTERIORART); a collection/anthology of cartoons (if eligible at all) will also be NONFICTION. This specific one is not eligible IMO - the author is not above treshold, the magazine where they were published is not genre (so we cannot even claim that it is a collection of art we already have in the DB (even though that is not technically a reason for a book to be eligible either) so it falls under the "comics, manga and so on" exclusion... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Per above, I rejected your submission, and deleted the publication record. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:14, 6 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Tomorrow Log ==<br />
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What is your source for the inclusion of the essay [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5197607 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:51, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for ''The Devil Takes a Holiday'' ==<br />
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I have put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 this submission], which would change a "sf-encyclopedia.uk" URL to a "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" URL, on hold. As I mentioned earlier, "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" are new and we need guidance from SFE before we can decide what to do with them. It's possible that SFE is in the midst of migrating all of their image URLs as part of a move to "sf-encyclopedia.com". If that is the case, then we may need to change all of our SFE URLs programmatically rather than hunting them done one at a time.<br />
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I have asked their Web admin about this issue and hope to hear from him tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:53, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The software behind yellow warnings has been updated. As before, only links to /clute/, /langford/ and /robinson/ sub-directories are allowed for both sf-encyclopedia.com and sf-encyclopedia.uk. All of their URLs require the currently used "|" syntax. I have removed the hold from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 your submission]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:48, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The First Americans: Beyond the Sea of Ice ==<br />
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What is the source of the date you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5215870 here]. No notes or other information was included with the submission. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:54, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: 1987 first edition on ISFDB has that exact date; this, https://archive.org/details/beyondseaofice00sara, the twentieth printing or so, still has the same 1987 cover art copyright. They used the same art over and over again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Okay, thanks. In the future, if you put that information in the moderator note, that will speed things up. Approved! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:32, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Gray Matter ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5230813 submission] to change the story Gray Matter into an excerpt. Both FictionMags and Locus1 indicate that it is a story. What is your evidence that it was an excerpt from the authors subsequent novel? Is it possible that the story was later expanded into a novel? If the latter, it should probably remain as a story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:37, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/graymatter.htm. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:39, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Magazine Serials ==<br />
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I approved your edits to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957962 Medusa's Head]'' earlier today. However, I removed the links to the scans of the original magazine serials. They really didn't belong in the Appleton publication record as they refer to a different publication of the novel. For example, we don't link to the scans of Burroughs' serializations of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21883 A Princess of Mars]'' in any of its book publications. It would have been OK to add them to the title record. However, a better solution is to add the three issues of Harper's as non-genre magazines and link to the individual scans there. I've done this adding each scan to the appropriate issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Neil deGrasse Tyson ==<br />
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Hi. Just wanted to let you know that there's a bit more involved than changing the author's name as you've submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5237803 here]. Since De Grasse had been chosen as canonical author name, but there are only publications with deGrasse, the canonical name needs to be switched to deGrasse. To do that, the deGrasse titles need to be unvarianted from their De Grasse parent title, parent title is to be deleted, which results in the deGrasse titles being left. Then variant the Portuguese title to the English original (and I've also updated the deGrasse author record with the information available from the De Grasse record), and we're all set. Not sure if this is the most efficient way, but it got it done. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276399 here] - have a look and let me know this is the result you intended. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:56, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: OK. Honestly I've done so many edits since this one I forgot I did it, but since your explanation was complicated and over my head I'm sure it's correct. At least my feeble attempt spurred someone else to do it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:04, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Audrey's Private Haunts ==<br />
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I've put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5258099 this edit] on hold. Please contact the [[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and have him check the title page for that story which is not shown in the Fantlab scans. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:55, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== First Channel ==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5254672 This submission] has been placed on hold as I cannot see where you've asked the two active PVs ([[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and [[User talk:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]]) to verify the publisher name change you want to do. Please invite them to comment here to verify this change. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:32, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Like the Hodgson book below, I barely remember this, but I think I changed it because of the note editor left that says PLAYBOY PAPERBACKS. Also, https://www.ebay.com/itm/233000922106, which says the same on spine and copyright/title pages. I'm tired of contacting people who never respond or respond after a really long time or after they've been in and out of the hospital multiple times, which seems to be a situation shared by many of the mods. I think Chavey was gone for a long time and when he came back and responded to something I wrote him he was unpleasant and it didn't go well. I don't remember anything about the other guy, but I really have lost interest. You can accept the proof in the eBay link or contact them yourself or cancel it, I don't care. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:14, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Seriously, let's try to work together here. You get all offended every time someone asks questions about one of your edits. The vast majority of the time, you're simply misinterpreting the text interactions here as someone being unpleasant to you. We're all trying to work to improve the site, so please start giving others the benefit of the doubt. As for the ebay link, if you had included that in your submission, I wouldn't have asked you about it. As it is, your note to the moderators was "OL ID, fixed publisher". Next time, please include your sources. It makes things go much more smoothly and quickly. Thank you for your future cooperation on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:40, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I don't think I was offended; to be offended I'd have to care. I was merely expressing how hard it is to remember 1 of these edits when I've done hundreds since then. I don't think I even saw that eBay link until a few minutes ago because it was obvious from the logo on the cover and especially the editor's note where they actually said who the publisher is. Your message prompted me to find it, so thanks. Actually, in recent days if a mod has a problem with 1 of my edits I just cancel it rather than bother trying to remember anything, since there's a hundred other edits I could be doing; I'm not sure why I didn't do that in your case; guess I forgot. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:51, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Just a correction; while doing some edits this morning I came across something that jogged my memory; it was Mhhutchins, not Chavey, who was gone for a long time and then was unpleasant to me when he came back. I've spoken to Chavey a few times, judging by a search for my name on his board, and while a little snippy with his answers sometimes has certainly never given me a problem. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:10, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Horrors from Haunted Seas ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5262432 This submission] has been placed on hold because you didn't include any explanation for your edits. You're changing page count without any stated reason, you removed a link to Archive.org which appears to be a valid link. You also removed part of the note which explained the subtitle only appeared on the cover; the Archive.org link you removed seems to support that note. When you make changes like that, you should always include an explanation for your changes. Please provide the explanations here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know; I've done so many edits since this one. I know prior editor entered partial contents years ago and I entered the rest recently, then after it was approved I noticed the page count in the Archive book didn't match ISFDB's so I changed it with a note about differing page counts on different Amazon pages, because prior editor got their info back in 2012 from Amazon which came from 1 of those pages with the wrong page count. I'll just cancel this edit; I barely have any interest anymore to enter new edits, much less go back and try figuring out what went wrong with old ones; what likely happened is I entered the new edit while others were being approved and some info got swallowed up/corrupted, which has happened before. Maybe I'll try to figure out what went wrong and enter a new edit. EDIT: I cancelled old edit and entered a new one. Who knows if everything is right now; it's all so confusing. I wonder now how many of my other edits may have been screwed up after entering them and nobody noticed, sitting there with missing/wrong info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:36, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::The new one has been approved. Thanks for submitting the updated edit. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:43, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Eric Linklater Stories ==<br />
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What are the sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269320 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269390 this]? In both cases, the pub notes state "Only stories reviewed in Bleiler, below, have been listed". With your edits, those notes would not longer be valid. When you make a change to a pub that invalidates the pub notes, you need to also change the pub notes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:17, 27 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Little Green Book of Monster Stories ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5267552 this submission] on hold. I can see that you included this in part of [[User talk:Ofearna#Crossroads|your message]] to Ofearna, but this one has a different publisher (Macabre Ink) that is not mentioned in your discussion. Since you didn't include any useful notes (just "fixed pub."), and your discussion with Ofearna doesn't discuss this specific change from Macabre Ink to Crossroad Press, I don't know why you are changing this one. Please clarify. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: This has been sitting on my edit list for a very long time; I've done a thousand edits since then. I remember that several books entered as by Crossroads were actually by Crossroad, so I fixed those; I must have had a reason to change this one, too, but can't remember anymore, so cancel if you want to. Also, I just changed the other Leodhas collection to an omnibus, but there's a stray Gaelic Ghosts; I don't know if that gets cleaned up or has to be done manually or what. You or someone else may want to look at Leodhas' record after that edit is approved to make sure everything is OK now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:04, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::You really don't need to respond with how you've done a bazillion edits since submitting this (or any other) edit practically any time someone asks you about a specific submission. We all know you're amazing. I'll go ahead and decline this one since you have provided no valid reason for it. If you remember the reason for this one in the future, we can always undecline it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hey Joe, if you're having a bad day that's your problem; don't cop an attitude with me. The reason I mention how many edits I've done is because when someone like you asks me to remember a minor fix like this one it's tough because I've done so many minor and major edits since then remembering something like this isn't easy; if I were like many other editors here who barely contribute or only concentrate on one specific area then I'm sure it's easy to remember, but someone like me who makes edits for countless different areas can't be expected to remember something from weeks ago when one of you finally gets around to approving it. It only stands to reason that in the enormous amount of edits I do every week a few will be dropped here and there; I don't really expect every single one to be approved. Rather than waste my time you and the other mods should be finding out why ISFDB is so slow, both on my laptop and at my local library; maybe those robots that Ahasuerus was talking about recently somewhere that were screwing with the site and making thousands of illegal pings still need fixing. As I've mentioned several times recently, I've been planning to leave here for months but personal/world issues keep getting in the way; if the huge number of edits I still do every week is any indication, imagine how much more I could do if I actually cared anymore. P.S. And yes, I am amazing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::Quality over quantity, pal. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:04, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::Rosab618: Your comment is not helpful. Please refrain from making unproductive comments such as this. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The National Review Treasury of Classic Children's Literature ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5288958 this submission]: I'm in process of updating this record (adding the interior art, etc.) based on the second printing and then I will clone a new record for the second printing. I'm probably won't be able to finish until later today so may look incomplete for awhile. Letting you know in case you come back to it so we don't step over each other. I will also enter Volume 2 that Internet Archive has. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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OK. For such a major anthology the info online is a mess, but there apparently was a Volume 2, https://www.worldcat.org/title/national-review-treasury-of-classic-childrens-literature/oclc/56722009, which they didn't separate properly on WorldCat; the contents for V. 2 start after "The brownies' good work". --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:07, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantômas ==<br />
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Two notes on your edit to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398181 Fantômas]''. The listed LCCN number is legitimate. If you click through, you'll see it returns the correct record. The price as "35 cent." is given in centimes, which is 1/100th of a franc. I've updated the price accordingly. We use francs just as we use dollars for US price given in cents. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mountains and Madness ==<br />
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I'm curious to know why you replaced the cover image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555] with an arguably worse one than that one I scanned and uploaded to ISFDB. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:42, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I saw discussion about this book and discovered the title was different inside the book, so I added note about that, and fixed incorrect date some editor made in the note about the cover art; I suppose, when I found the copy on Open Library, I replaced the cover because that's the copy I got the info from, plus the colors are sharper and likely closer to what the physical book cover would have looked like; but it doesn't really matter, so I just went to the Wiki and replaced OL cover with yours again, so it'll be approved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:15, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Just a Suggestion ==<br />
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When documenting a source, considerer simplifying the audit trail. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219201 Seeing Red] for example. Your note requires knowledge of the internet archive, accessing it, then navigating to the proper page. A link in the webpages can takes the user directly to the information. I'll leave it to you to decide if the note is still necessary. You add a great deal of information, a good audit trail does not require you to remember specific edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deadliest of the Species ==<br />
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I have put this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5305517 submission] on hold temporarily. You need to contact [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Nowickj Nowickj] and ascertain that his publication is the first edition. If it is not, then you should clone and create one. Either way, consider making 'Vox13' the publisher. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Cancelled and redone with just OL ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:15, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:38, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Nail in the Coffin ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303417 Source] please. I'm not doubting the validity of your information. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 23:00, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It's from the Fall 2003 Speculative Literature Issue of Descant, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t71.htm#A3356, which contains nearly 30 stories, most not on ISFDB, plus many essays. I'm not adding a note for this story because that issue should be entered on ISFDB, and there's already way too many notes on ISFDB where editors said where the story first appeared when the publication they first appeared in is right there on the page. I used to delete those, hundreds probably, until a certain moderator complained about it, so I don't do that anymore. If you want to enter that huge issue, be my guest. If not, just cancel my edit. EDIT: I just realized I did add a note, just not where info came from. Ah, forget it. I'll just cancel it; if anyone ever enters that issue they'll know where it came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:30, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: No need to cancel it, I think the statement 'first published' requires a source. We often see where a story was 'previously published', that doesn't necessarily mean it was the first publication. A fine point to be sure.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:09, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?956885 This] is what I had in mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: This notion where a story first appeared was established because this whole thing started not with the first publications (and that you are informed about the notes upon merging titles is a not so very old feature). Hope thatr explains why these do still crop up en masse. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:47, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I've entered the issue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?897388 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Jay Lake story has August note, if you trust that as right month. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:13, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Updated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:29, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Pleasures 2 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5308028 Your submission].<br />
According to the supplied OL link & Amazon.com. The correct publication date is 2003-05-01. Change the publication date not the title date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:42, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I cancelled it and made new edit with just OL ID and replaced cover image; there's no month in the book and no note about where PV, Prof. beard, got it from, or whoever entered it, but since some of the story dates are August the book obviously wasn't published in May; also August here, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t20.htm#A951. But if you want to find him and ask him go ahead, or discuss it on the message boards. Also, me and the person who PV'd this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19457, submitted edits around the same time; you rejected my updating of the date because they'd already done it, but somehow both our cover artist were entered, so you'll have to decide which one can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:08, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: The pub was originally entered correctly by BLongley 2008-12-26. Subsequently the title date was changed. (probably because Amazon shows that date). When Prof beard PV'd the pub, I doubt he even noticed the title date. Regardless, I approved your new submission and added a pub note referencing Locus. Daughter of Darkness is also taken care of. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:48, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Yellow Sign'' introduction date ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5312068 submission] proposes to assign the introduction a date of September 2000, but the publication in which it first appeared is dated July 2000. That dating was done after your submission, and from the pub notes, it appears to be correct. Your submission does not include a source for the September date. I think the current July 2000 date is appropriate and am going to reject the submission, but please review and submit something else if you think July is wrong. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:53, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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I submitted an earlier edit for this book which was approved, and then this one to change the intro to September because it didn't have a month; month entered by earlier editor was wrong, it clearly says July in the Archive copy, so where they got September from is unknown, but whoever worked on this book after me obviously caught the right date on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:17, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== MacGregor[h] in ''Stories from the Near-Future'' ==<br />
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In this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5313022 submission], where did you find the credit as "MacGregor"? The Look Inside TOC shows it as "MacGregorh". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MacGregor on copyright page and search says same on p. 43. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:09, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Many Deaths of Cole Parker ==<br />
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Was the story length [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3039653 here] from the note on the author's website, or some other source? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:19, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: That bookscxyz site I mentioned somewhere here recently has a downloadable .epub and when I printed it out it ran like 130-something pages, or checking the Google Books copy would probably run the same count, but if he mentioned it on his site, too, great. It might even be a short novel, if anyone ever cares to do a word count of the print edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:18, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding partial contents ==<br />
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When adding partial contents to a publication, please include the incomplete template. The publication will no longer show up on the cleanup report once it has any content entered. The incomplete template alerts us that there is still missing content. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:30, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: You didn't mention which book you're referring to, and honestly hardly anyone ever follows up any edits I do, so I'm basically working solo here; I usually complete my own incomplete entries eventually. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:21, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I didn't mention the publiscation ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391878 Beach Blanket Zombie: Weird Tales of the Undead & Other Humanoid Horrors]), because I went ahead and added the template. I was just reminding you for future reference. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:35, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Long Last Call ==<br />
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Take a second look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5322340 this submission]. Do we really have 2 novels in this one publication? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:34, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: As with many later Leisure books, they added bonus short stories or novellas to the main novel, and in this case while it mentions the bonus novella "Conscience" at the bottom of the cover, ISFDB classifies it as a novel because of page length or whatever the criteria is, so yes, it's 2 novels, with 1 being much shorter than the other. EDIT: Instead of creating new topics I'm just going to mention these here: the Amok cover you rejected because ISFDB doesn't credit designers as cover artists, which I certainly know, doesn't fit with the fact that 3 other Amok editions have that person credited as cover artist, so I assume, as in many cases, the designer also did the artwork. Regardless, it makes no sense to have 1 edition with no cover artist but 3 others with the same cover with a credited cover artist, so it would make more sense to approve my edit or remove the cover credit from the other 3. Also, as with many small-press collections such as Stuart Young's Spare Parts, they include stories from obscure publications not on ISFDB, in this case very many, so I detailed those stories' histories on the main title page of the collection. There's no reason to include the same info for those individual stories in their separate records, and something also went wrong with one of your entries because the edit/edit history buttons are next to the story title instead of all the way on the right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:43, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for alerting me to the problem with 'Face at the Window'. Apparently an angle bracket got inserted into the title, fixed now. Notes regarding a story's publishing history belong in the story title, not a publication title. If I had any reason to look at the publication title record, I would have told you to move them rather than doing it myself. While these stories haven't been nor may never appear in another publication, the notes still belong on the individual titles. My rejection of the Amok cover based on the current PV's note is correct. I have reached out to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] for confirmation before removing the credit from the other three. Ultimately, all will be handled the same. Interestingly, Boskar initially entered the earliest printing, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Stonecreek Stonecreek] edited it and then cloned the other two publications. Focus the 'Username radar' and help me find a word count for 'Conscience'. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Santraí ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326383 This submission]. Why variant/ If they are identical, merge. Perhaps I'm missing something. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Seat of Inspiration ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326387 This submission]. If you look at the copyright page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899761 Eros Interruptus] it credits the earlier printing in 'The Urbanite, #6' as 'Seat of Inspiration'. I think 'Seat of Inspirations' is a typo. Cancel your variant, submit a merge with the above reason in note to mod. post here that it is submitted and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:52, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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On closer inspection, looks like you entered the contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61657 The Urbanite, #6]. If it wasn't a typo, tell me and I'll approve the variant. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:05, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Is it a data entry typo or not? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't think I entered the contents, just the page #'s. Cacek's story titles are a mess, so unless someone can see a copy of that Urbanite issue it's hard to tell what the title was there, so I guess this should be cancelled until someone can verify and merge or variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:24, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Since we aren't sure, the safest course is to variant. We can always merge if a copy surfaces. Your submission is approved. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:37, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Currency Symbols ==<br />
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In the future, please use the correct currency symbols; even in notes like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5328557 this one]. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:48, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I enter additional prices in Notes exactly the way they appear in/on the book, whether that's full or abbreviated country name or currency. If a book actually had an A, C, etc. in front of the price I'd enter it that way, but most don't. The idea is to enter info as it appears originally, not the way we feel it should look like. It's pointless to enter a C in front of a Canadian price when the word Canada precedes it; of course, if I enter a main price in the price field then it needs an A, C, etc. in front of it because those prices are displayed when searching; notes don't show unless someone goes to the specific record for the publication itself. If you like entering those letters in notes, to each their own. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:58, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: If you want to change our policy, feel free to start a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions Rules and standards discussion]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:18, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::This is one of the few cases where we standardize things. Please use the symbols and abbreviations as noted [[Help:List of currency symbols|here]], both in the currency field and in notes. Thank you! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Coal Black ==<br />
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Hi. Why'd you add the image [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337624 here]? Isn't it the same one that was already there? --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:17, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I see your 2 edits in the history and my edit uploading the cover to the Wiki because there's no image on ISFDB-linked sites; the Wiki only has my name as the uploader, but there's been several times recently where I uploaded a new, better cover to replace an old one and it didn't do that because the URL of the image was slightly different than the old URL, and a mod needed to fix everything to make the image go to the right page so it will show up on the book's record. If you uploaded an image it might be on another Wiki page, if that's what you're talking about. The wait times have been getting longer lately for approvals, so there's a lot of cross-editing where an editor enters something and by the time it's approved a self-mod or mod has already entered it themselves. The image is there in the record, so it seems to be OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:33, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
::On the 9th, I added to the record the image you uploaded. (Where did you find it, by the way?) I didn't upload one myself.<br />
::You don't see the image on the Wiki? That's strange. It's there.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:46, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Now that you mention it, I recall that after you asked me where I found it a few days ago (I think it came from here, http://www.alephbet.com/pdf/cat101-web.pdf; searching Google Images for the title and author's last name brings the image up, which is the only one I saw online that looked good, unlike the AbeBooks and Amazon ones), I noticed you made a couple of edits or something similar and I wondered what that was about. The Wiki has my name and a June 9 date, so I think it's that cross-editing thing I mentioned where you approved your edit adding my image from the Wiki to the record and then my edit doing the same was approved. The cover image is there, anyway, so I don't think anything else needs to be done, except adding OCLC ID, 2468107, which you should do since you can approve it. Price is missing, but unless someone finds a copy that will remain empty. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:02, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: There's actually a searchable Google Books copy, and by searching for author's name it showed the back cover which mentioned his place of birth and by searching for "seven dudes" it showed the title on the flap with the price next to it. So I've entered 2 edits for those, and I think everything that can be done for this book has been done now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:20, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rubicon Beach ==<br />
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I've placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337954 this submission] on hold as you haven't followed PV procedures. The only thing that concerns me is the change in price. As the 2 and 7 are not near each other anywhere on the keyboard, it's unlikely it was a typo on the part of the PV, so we need to have them make sure that's the price in their copy. Since this editor hasn't done anything for about a year, please post on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]] so the change can be discussed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Across Paris and Other Stories ==<br />
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I approved your changes, but I question whether [https://img.fantasticfiction.com/images/c0/c1075.jpg this image] is better than the [https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81jw+QokP8L.jpg previous image]. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:09, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I did notice the same thing you did, so it wouldn't bother me if someone reverted or found an even better one; it's not like it's a rare book with a very hard-to-find cover. EDIT: I see now that I added the cover from Fantastic Fiction; 1 OL link has no cover and the other has a bright image but with a sticker on it. So if you're going to replace it you'll have to go to some other site, assuming you're not just going to revert to the old one. What's funny, though, is that the OL page with the stickered cover links to an Archive copy with no jacket while the OL page with no cover links to an Archive copy with the stickered cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasyworld ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13194 Fantasyworld], but I removed the cover art credit since it was just a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Dude, I don't know what happened here, but the Michael Trevillion Fantasyworld credit has no book under it and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5341881, shows I entered the artist's name where it's supposed to be; a few minutes ago the FantLab link was just that, but now that I checked again his picture is there. So I don't know what's up but I entered everything properly as far as I can tell; I don't know what happened after that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:46, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The empty title record has been deleted. The problem isn't how you entered it, but that it is merely a photo and we do not give cover art credit for a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''An Exercise for Madmen'' ==<br />
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I hope the title isn't a commentary on ISFDB activity.... For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340813 this submission], did you mean to remove the Open Library link or only add the WorldCat link? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:26, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My previous edit adding OL ID, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340686, was approved recently but I made another one adding WorldCat ID and, because ISFDB has a problem with multiple entries, the 2nd edit thought I wanted to replace the 1st ID with another one instead of putting it in the next ID field. This has happened many times and I'm sure some info I've entered has been lost because later entries screw up previous ones. Mods or self-mods can approve their edits and then do additional edits but people like me have to wait, sometimes for a long time, for edits to be approved and I don't always remember that I made an edit for a book earlier that hasn't been approved yet. Someone should look into updating the software or whatever so people can make several edits for the same book and have new info added instead of replacing the old info. So yes, both ID should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:37, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I accepted it and restored the OL ID. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:25, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mulengro: A Romany Tale ==<br />
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I approved the edit, but what is page number 'fp' in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193329 publication]? This is not one of the <i>Special designations</i>. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:39, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this on Moderator board, so we'll see what they think. Also, you made an edit after mine, "added link because the link in the previous edit note to moderator was the wrong jpg". It wasn't really the wrong one; I added Gorman's intro and Sproule's frontispiece and the photo shows both of those, so that's why I added it in note to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:47, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: When I followed your link it only showed the frontispiece and the title page. I added the link to the scan of the limitation page to support your note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Lighthouse ==<br />
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Please doublecheck the OL number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347679 this submission]. Are you sure it shouldn't be OL8825435M ? Thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't think so. The OL I added links to an archived copy; ISBN is the same on copyright page, price is the same on front flap, etc. Your OL leads to a record which has no Archive link. I provide OL ID because I don't like linking directly to Archive.org as much (most?) of the non-public domain material isn't really supposed to be there. I do rarely link to a non-archived OL record if there's something on it unusual, but that's not the case here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:16, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== UK prices during decimalization ==<br />
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I'm approving [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347842 your edit] to ''Hands of the Ripper''. However, as mentioned [[User talk:Username#British Books with two prices|above]] that during the period of decimalization, the price field should reflect the pre-decimal (shillings and pence) price. I'll correct your edit accordingly. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:15, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: OK, but the thing is that there are 21 Sphere books from 1971 here, 19 of which have prices, and only 5 of those have the old prices. So other editors weren't sure how to enter them, either. I'll see if I can fix any of them; maybe you can, too, if you wish. EDIT: I remembered this related topic, http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Pre_and_Post_decimal_UK_prices, where others seemed to suggest the opposite was correct. EDIT: I switched old price from note to price field for Pan's 1969 Moon Zero Two after coming across it randomly. I have a feeling there are thousands of others that would need the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rakefire and Other Stories ==<br />
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Will you add a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784806 Rakefire and Other Stories] stating the source of the content? I was able to confirm it but I don't know that you used the same source as I did. Ping here when you submit it and I will immediately approve it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:40, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: There's already a note about data from Amazon and all the story titles and info about each story are there. This looks like a Fixer entry so I wouldn't expect a robot to notice that. If you want to specifically say where they came from you can do that; I don't know if the rule is to credit the reviewer by name, although he seems to have published the same exact lengthy review all over the web. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:46, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I see the review now. Honestly, it never would have occurred to me to look there, I never trust anything people post in those. In this case it is correct. I might tweak the note a bit. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Two Poems from Star*Line, May-June 1990 ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350644 this submission] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350651 this submission] until you get agreement from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hkauderer Hkauderer]. I see your link for one of the submissions. Be patient, he stops by and will answer. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:21, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know what he'd need to agree to, since the link I provided for the first poem shows the part I deleted was a dedication, not part of the poem's title, while the other poem I didn't include a link for is available at several places online as part of a sequence of poems and also clearly shows the deleted part is a dedication and not part of the title, but if you want to wait for him to say it was a mistake, OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:36, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: You are making changes to a verified publication. This verifier is quite familiar with speculative poetry. Obviously, he felt the dedications were part of the titles. It is up to you to reach agreement for any changes. If you don't care to communicate with him, let me know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:01, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: If you say he's familiar, OK. I'll wait; if he agrees, fine, if not, I'll just cancel my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:20, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Author Birthplace ==<br />
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When entering an author's birthplace, please follow [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace these guidelines]. I added UK [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328935 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:49, 5 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Summer Meadows ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5354028 this submission] on hold. The only edition of 'The Summer Meadows' on Google Books is the paperback. That's where I see the $5.95 price using search inside. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: https://books.google.com/books?id=UHxBAAAAIAAJ; I searched for 5.95 and it shows the price. All the early-mid 70's Delacorte books on ISFDB have HC prices the same or slightly lower or higher. Using advanced search here I found no Delacorte PB and the first TP is 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:47, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/UHxBAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0; I'm looking at the record you reference, the format says paperback. Do you want me to ask another mod for a second opinion? I'm not offended. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Click the link I provided; it takes you to a page with a search box under the book's title page. Enter 5.95, and you should see $5.95 in the results, clearly on a book flap. It's a hardcover; As I said above, Delacorte published no paperbacks according to my search on ISFDB, and the first trade paperback was not until 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: You totally ignore what I say, just repeat your previous statement. The only difference between what we are looking at is you are using google classic view and I'm looking at the new view which gives the book details. The new view does have the hc ISBN (044008444X), but format says Paperback. A contradiction. I have released the hold. Another mod can review it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:43, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I keep repeating what I said before because you're not getting what I'm saying. Delacorte, the publisher of The Summer Meadows, published zero paperbacks, or at least there are none on ISFDB. If you check Delacorte books on ISFDB you will see that all books published around the same date as this book are all hardcovers and all have the same price as this book or a little lower or higher depending on the page count or inflation or whatever. If there was a paperback edition of this book it would have a much lower price than $5.95, because mass-market paperbacks usually didn't cost nearly that much back then. And if the Google copy was a paperback then the price wouldn't be on a flap, it would be on the front or back cover like most paperbacks. Just because Google Books is confused doesn't make a difference; they're a huge mess just like every other book-related website, and have tons of wrong info. And the page I saw when I clicked your link looks completely different than the one I linked, and it says paperback on it, which mine doesn't, so I don't know what exactly you're looking at; maybe if you look at this, https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22the+summer+meadows%22, you'll find the same page I did. I'll mention this on the community board so this can be resolved quickly instead of waiting around for someone to get to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:59, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Requested report ==<br />
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You asked if there is a way to find the publications which have 'fp' in the page field. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Ahasuerus Ahasuerus] has modified the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] to accomplish this for you. The report will be available tomorrow morning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:08, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unreals ==<br />
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I see you changed the format from tp to hc for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?478332 The Unreals]. I saw your note quoting the statement from the book. How do you explain Open Library, Google Books and Amazon all calling this a paperback? Also. here are two sale listings [https://www.ebay.com/itm/185393521738?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1mrjO3bUxRxePYbhCuSW-yA20&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=185393521738&targetid=4581046489808873&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=418640322&mkgroupid=1239149842233245&rlsatarget=pla-4581046489808873&abcId=9300602&merchantid=51291&msclkid=77a6ba70a29e1f86e16cd8a01b0aa24e ebay] and [https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-unreals_donald-jeffries/1355990/?resultid=6265ae6a-69c8-40fd-998c-523871d7abc7#edition=5550403&idiq=33525694 thriftbooks] which both state the format is paperback. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't see your name in the edit history, so I'm not sure why you're so upset, but we here at ISFDB go by what the book says, and it says "hardcover". If anyone ever gets their hands on a physical copy with that ISBN and it turns out to really be a trade paperback it can always have the format changed back with a note saying the publisher made a mistake in their own book; it would hardly be the first time that's happened. Nothing online or in reference books is gospel; I've fixed countless mistakes that came from every one of those sources you mentioned. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:13, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Whether I'm on the edit history or not is irrelevant. Also, I'm hardly upset. I merely question the change. Do you really think it likely that both the sellers are also mistaken about the format? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:22, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's relevant because you didn't enter the format as TP, someone else did; if you were a PV then you'd know for sure if it's a TP. Also, I've seen many, many auctions where the seller just copied info from online but the photos of the book showed something different. As I said, the only way to verify this is finding a physical copy, and if it's really a TP reverting the format and adding an appropriate note. Then the question will be if there's a HC edition out there somewhere, or if the publisher scrapped plans to release one but forgot to change their copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:28, 15 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Internet Archive services ==<br />
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Hi, Concerning your latest note [[User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive]], and the preceding, and some other 2022 contributions here at ISFDB Wiki, let me ask a general question: How do you use Archive.org for viewing protected content in "recent" books? Is it an institutional privilege (<s>such as I may have here, sitting inside a major university library building, a novelty for me in the last 30 months</s><font color=green>not this institution</font>)? <br />
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Or do you use this service which is available to everyone, or everyone in the USA or somewhere, with a "free account"?<br />
: | Log In and Borrow v | Renewable every hour, pending availability | (i)<br />
I suppose it is this widely available free service that you have in mind, for ISFDB users who will make use of the "archive.org" publication webpage to view or even print illustrations. Right?<br />
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Or something else (although the one hour will be adequate for many ISFDB data gathering purposes)?<br />
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For books with protected content I have used only the "Limited preview // Some pages are omitted." In my experience that shows several opening leaves only. Even the back and back inside bookcover or dustjacket is omitted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:07, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, there's a blue "borrow for 1 hour" button after you sign up which lets you view the entire book, and, if nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep clicking that button in case you need more than an hour. In this case, there's a weird black cover when you search for the book, but as soon as you turn to the first page the real cover is revealed, which doesn't look like the one already on ISFDB, even though the publisher is the same. I tend to stay away from these kids' books because they reprinted many of them so often it's hard to tell which edition is which, but you seem to have done some research judging by your notes, so I thought it would help in fixing some of it or adding more. Looking at it, the first thing I notice is that the page count is actually 76, not 75, because the last page of the story is unnumbered, so that's 1 thing to start with. I also see that the NY Times review of the 1942 edition cost $2, while this Archive edition has a $2.75 price, so it's not the original but probably not the 1972 edition on ISFDB because books cost more by that point. It's also an ex-library edition, and the first date stamped on the card at the back is '55, so that should help in narrowing down the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:23, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your notes on ''The Doll'' which I will consider later. I do have good access to historical newspapers and magazines, in my air-conditioned university library station --where I sit today but I have barely visited in 30 months.<br />
::: Back to the technical matter. Last hour I enrolled at Archive.org using email address and password and I borrowed ''The Eerie Book'' 1981 edition P{{p|487344}} for one hour. Today unable to give it much time, after one hour I did learn [a] what happens when/as time expires. <br />
::: [b] What do you make of this, at ''The Eerie Book'' 1981? Upon borrowing I learn there are 224 images, presumably 1 to 224 ... Now I visit what appears to be the back inside jacket flap, as "218 of 219"! Flip the page and see image "224" and last! That one doesn't look as I expect from the back bookcover or dustjacket. How do you interpret these last two images "218" and "224"? <br />
::: Today that's all I had time to view. But, yes, I do have the one-hour privilege now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Answer to your question concerning total no of pages ==<br />
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See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5379858 here for your question] - Answer: no, the same rules apply for all languages - looks like someone counted the three pages of advertisements and stuff. I've corrected the page no's to 157. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:59, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deathbringer ==<br />
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Per your note to moderators in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5376099 this submission]: Search on ISBN came up with the cover for the 2nd edition - see [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30257088918&cm_sp=det-_-bsk-_-bdp]. Very difficult to read, but I'm fairly sure ISFDB cover scan of the first edition says 2246 in the right margin of the cover, whereas the AbeBooks scan says 2562 for the 2nd edition (same price for both editions, it seems) Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:47, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Quintet ==<br />
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Hello. Can you provide source for these two (related) edits: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380430], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380431]? Thanks!<br />
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: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31459; Don Erikson, the long-gone PV of the edition with the wrong cover credit, was one of the most common enterers of wrong info here; I can't count how many of his old edits I've had to correct. In this case, it's clear the Eggleton art is only on the Book Club edition while all the Tor editions use the same art, so I removed the wrong art credit and then imported the right one (Erikson also PV the Tor HC, so I assume he was just confused when he added the wrong info to the PB). There's no source, it's just a mistake I'm correcting, unless I'm missing something. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:57, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Oh, I see. Approved. (I may have to stop reviewing and approving submissions for today... :). Thanks, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:27, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:34, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Please revert edit for Kingsbane ==<br />
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Would you please revert this edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5381259] and remove the LCCN from External IDs? The note specifically says there is no valid LoC record which is why it doesn't belong as an external ID. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:19, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Not online, or not at all? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:39, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::My only LoC validation source is the LoC online lookup but I would think that should be sufficient. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:26, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5382526 this submission]. I don't see any attempt to contact the PV. The notes clearly state that the publication date is from a secondary source (Amazon.com). I have no problem with editing the disambiguation of the 'Author's Note' if you wish to resubmit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MLB, as has been mentioned many times on these boards, has told me to just fix any minor mistakes because he made so many of them in his PV over the years that it's a waste of time contacting him about all of them. Also, most paperbacks wouldn't have the day of publication, Amazon uses the first day of the month when they don't know the exact date (could be the month before or after), and there's a later printing on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/quantumleapindep0000peel, that says August on the copyright page. MLB wrote about both Amazon and the copyright page in his note, so I assume he just forgot to fix the date based on the actual book instead of Amazon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:24, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Of course, the actual publication does not give the day. That is the reason MLB added the note. (OL also agrees). If the date is changed, then the August 1 date should be incorporated into the note. For ex: "Publication date 1996-08-01 per Amazon.com as of 2012-10-15'. I hate to throw away data. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:43, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Amazon has always had a habit, when they don't really know the publication date, to just use -01- for the day; OL's info is often just copied straight from Amazon. The book's date is on the copyright page, August 1996. The only reason to include Amazon's date is if the book wasn't available, but it is, because he PV it, and there's an Archive.org copy. If the book was one of those that listed the day in the date, and there are some (usually small-press) books that do, or a later printing that mentions the exact date of the earlier printing(s) then the day could be justifiably entered, but that's not the case here. You can ask about this on the boards if you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:55, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::Books rarely give the <b>actually day</b> that a book is printed. The date that you see on Amazon is the date that the book arrives, I think, in inventory. Compare dates, page count, and prices, with Barnes & Noble. You can find minute differences. If you want, just make minute changes when you need to. Besides, my brother, who was a fan of the show, absconded with a number of my <i>Quantum Leap</i> books, so I may not even have that book anymore. Typos are my kryptonite, thanks for paying attention. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:MLB MLB], thanks for chiming in. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:18, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Toast ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/toast_stross/mode/2up this archive.org link] is not for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247813 2006 tp edition]. No page numbering, number of pages is incorrect, no cover illustration. This is most likely an e-book, self published by the author. I removed the link from my verified pub. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:46, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it is by the author, as he explains in a note following the copyright page. It's also the only edition of Toast on Archive.org, and it does have the same ISBN as the 2006 TP and is the only expanded edition, and hardly anyone knows it's there judging by the fact that it was uploaded in 2015 but there's still less than 1,000 views, so I figured the best place to put it would be in your edition, but apparently not. So now I'll just put it in the title record; the most important thing is allowing people to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:09, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication Links to scans ==<br />
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Please don't remove links to other scans when adding new scans, unless the original links are no longer active. I know that you prefer Open Library links to links directly to the Internet Archive, but that is no reason to overwrite existing links that have been previously added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The Archive links I replaced were all added by me; if someone else had added them then I would have left them alone. The Luminist PDFs I've been adding lately are all fully readable and printable, unlike the Archive copies, unless you have a 14-day pass or whatever is needed, and then they encrypt them and people complain about them all the time and so on. It's fine with something like Dalby's Ghosts For Christmas, where I noticed that you approved my edit replacing Archive link with Luminist PDF and then added Archive link back immediately afterwards, since there's a slight possibility that the Luminist site might disappear off the web and the only readable copy would be on Archive, but I disagree with putting back those lousy Dark Shadows Archive links with their menu and Jane Austen URL that has nothing to do with the books themselves, but if you and other mods feel like adding all of those dozens of Archive links back, so be it. EDIT: I see you just approved my edit replacing the 2 Google Drive links (that I added some time ago) for The Elemental and the Ace Double containing the infamous how-long-is-it? Falcons of Narabedla, that Luminist used to use for many of their books, with the PDFs that they've converted most of their books into, and then added back the old Google Drive links, anyway. Seems pointless, but whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:00, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Infinity Three ==<br />
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I accepted your submission adding this publication by mistake, so I deleted it. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18237 Here] is the existing record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:34, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Your question on image replacement ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5394627 this submission], you stated "I replaced the wrong cover image, which has the old edition's info on the side, with the correct cover with info on the top, but I had to replace it here because, as has happened several times before, the uploaded cover didn't go to the same page as the old uploaded cover, so if moderator wants to contact somebody and ask them to fix that it would be great" This behaviour you observed is a consequence of copying publication records to create another printing and/or edition. As a consequence, the image URL is also copied, but continues to point to the original cloned record. The only solution to fix this problem is either to go to the cloned record and update the image there, or, if the intent is to replace with a correct image, then you need to do what you've done here, and upload a new cover image and update the corresponding pub record. As far as I can tell, there's not much that can be done about this without significantly changing the software's behaviour. Hope this clarifies. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:42, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: OK, but the last several times this happened one of the long-time mods, maybe JLaTondre or Ahasuerus, said they fixed it so it pointed to the right page. I don't know what they did, but I doubt it was just replacing it in the record, or maybe it was, who knows. I left that message simply because I was tired of leaving a message on the boards every time this happened and wanted either the original uploader or the mod who approved the edit to take care of it. In the future I'll just replace it in the book's record, although that still means, I think, that the old wrong cover still has a page on the Wiki somewhere. Also, why is the word "behaviour" in your message flagged as a wrong spelling, with a red underline? The mods' names have it, too, which is logical because they're not actual words, but shouldn't spellcheck recognize British spelling? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:09, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Indeed, the old cover has still a page on the wiki - however, if no pub record points to it anymore, eg because they have been replaced with another one, it doesn't really matter if it does, right? You can ask a moderator to cleanup these orphan picture uploads, but not sure myself if that's really needed or expected.<br />
::As far as I understand it, if your system is set up to check US spelling, then it does that, and only that. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:52, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Thirteenth Ghost Book ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5402720 this submission]. Since there aren't any pages with Roman numerals, the Pages field should remain unchanged. The page number for the 'Editor's Preface' should be 7. (not bracketed). I see that the table of contents shows vii for the page number. However, from the first bullet point under [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles Regular Titles] Page -"Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." Resubmit and I'll approve. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:25, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A word on the use of <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - if you happen to know that not all spec fic content has been added to a publication (as you mentioned in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5408632 this submission]), then you can use the <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template in the notes field (unless you plan on adding them right after in a subsequent edit, of course ;)). That'll allow cleanup reports to list these pubs. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I've been told that before, but when I used to do that, sometimes, the contents were almost never entered by anyone until I eventually ended up doing it at some point, so it's a waste of time; most of the people here don't really care about helping with anything that doesn't interest them personally, and even if they did many of the editors/moderators are very reluctant to help me with anything because I'm not a sycophant and don't let them bully me, or they're still mad about some sarcastic comment I made a year-and-a-half ago, so they ignore anything with my name on it, as can be seen by the hundreds of messages I've left on the boards since 2021, when I started editing, that have never been answered. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::''I'm'' interested in the incompletes. It would be useful if you would add it. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:37, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Highgate Vampire ==<br />
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It seems to me that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5406724 The Highgate Vampire] is SHORTFICTION, not an ESSAY. I find it strange that Manchester should write an ESSAY on his own story (albeit not impossible). Do you have evidence elsewhere that this should be converted? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Because the edit of mine you approved recently containing Highgate Vampire includes a link to the Coronet copy on R. Dalby's site, and the photo of contents page says 4 new vampire stories or something similar, and that title is not in that section, it's in the essay section. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:11, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: OK, thanks for the explanation. I've approved it. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:46, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Narrator template ==<br />
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Please use the <nowiki>{{Narrator|}}</nowiki> template in audio publications. I'm sure you saw where I have added it to some of your edits. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Exotic Gothic: Forbidden Tales From Our Gothic World ==<br />
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When some of the page numbers are not visible/readable but the order of the stories is (such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here], use piped numbers tied to the story before and after the missing numbers to keep the order of the titles in the publication. I added the two missing numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here]. When you leave some stories without any numbers while others have page numbers, they float to the top of the list, before the preface in this case. This way the order is preserved and visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:39, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: That's a deliberate choice; I'm the one who almost always eventually finds somewhere that shows the missing numbers and then fills them in, with a few very rare cases where some other person finds them and deigns to fill them in themselves, hopefully actually letting me know they did that so I don't think they're still missing, which they usually don't and I just stumble on the completed record some time in the future. So it makes it easier to know which are missing if they're all bunched at the top rather than having to look through sometimes very long contents lists to find them, hoping that I actually catch them all. You added the pipes to this one, however, so whatever, who cares, nothing matters anymore. WorldCat's new site is a mess, Amazon has completely changed their site for the worse, Fantastic Fiction doesn't show Amazon covers anymore because of those changes, and our site's move to a new server has been a total nightmare, with bugs galore and spam messages outnumbering the real ones. Not to mention another world war is in the offing, which will make this whole thing moot because internet service will be gone and nobody will be using ISFDB, anyway. Thanks for adding those pipes, though. :) EDIT: Turns out there's a snippet copy on Google, typed the titles, found the numbers, so now they're complete once edit's approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. The point stands though - if we know the order, we use pipes to make the publication page as presentable as possible. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:05, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== How to Survive a Fire at the Greenmark ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5417773 this submission], as there was another title record involved. A merge produces [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2365084 this title record]. It was easier for me to just do it, rather than have you redo your submission. Thanks for catching this, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tell-Tale Heart ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?915136 This] publication appears on the exception report because it is lacking the content title. You have marked it juvenile. Is that because of the publisher or did you see it stated somewhere? I looked at [https://archive.org/details/william-castle-telltale-heart] and [https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/hanna-barbera-does-the-tell-tale-heart/]. Initially, I imported the regular title, but reversed it pending your input. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:48, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it's part of a cartoon series, cartoons are for kids, especially older cartoons like Hanna-Barbera's; if it was Adult Swim or something that would be different, but pretty much everything H-B did was marketed to kids. EDIT: Also, I imported it myself, but it's currently waiting in a 330-edit list of mine, so you don't have to import anything, it'll be accepted sometime in the near future. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: You submission is approved. <Strike>Please do two more things. First, merge the duplicated CHAPBOOK title records (check for duplicates in the publication Editing Tools: menu)</strike> Please use the narrator template, <nowiki>{{Narrator|William Castle}}</nowiki>, rather than straight text. When(if) we make narrators their own record, it will be easier to implement. Post when you submissions is in the queue and I'll approve them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Approved, Thank you [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:57, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Writings in Horror and the Supernatural, Vol. 2 ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422611 this submission] and resubmitted it without the change to the title record. The three title records (anthology, and two content titles) incorrectly credited to an alternate name were fixed via merges. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23815 Here] is the final result. Thanks for finding this. If anything is not clear, ask. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evocations ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422619 this submission]. What is the source for the contents? Are you planning on submitting the remaining titles? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:33, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Probably Amazon Look Inside or Scribd, I don't remember, it's been so long, that's why mods should unfreeze the notes box so editors can add info like that when importing titles. Maybe this: https://thebookloversboudoir.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/book-review-evocations-by-james-brogden/; and no, I only imported stories already on ISFDB, since I don't know how the other stories are titled in the print book, online info being unreliable at best, and I don't have a copy to check. If a copy ever shows up on Archive or somewhere then I can enter the rest, assuming I'm still doing this by then. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add a note citing Look inside and the <nowiki>{{Incomplete}}</nowiki> template. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:55, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Venus, the Lonely Goddess ==<br />
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Re; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425887 this submission]. The title page shows 'The Lonely Goddess' as the subtitle. Shouldn't the title be 'Venus: The Lonely Goddess' to comply with our standards? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:28, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, I think you're right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: If you resubmit, I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:38, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Just approve it and I'll do another edit adding the colons; there's other info in that edit besides just the change of title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbooks and title level fields ==<br />
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Please be careful when adding chapbooks. In general the flags such as novelization don't apply. Also links should only be added if they apply to the publication. If you're trying to add a link or a novelization flag they belong on the SHORTFICTION that you are adding. After the new chapbook edit is approved, you can add them on the newly created SHORTFICTION title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:32, 3 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing author/artist names in publications. ==<br />
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Please remember that when you change an author's name inside a publication the publication or title records are the only record for that author, it is better to ask the moderators to change the name in the author record as to preserve any other data in the author record. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5437438 this edit] removes the last reference to Arnid Johnston. The existing record includes the author's legal name which will be lost when that record is deleted as a result of the edit. You had one other edit that I approved today that had a similar issue. I'll go ahead and approve and update the new record with the former record's legal name. However, it's best to correct these sorts of errors in the author record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:10, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Heart-Beast'' cover URLs ==<br />
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Would you take a look at {{P|16664|Heart-Beast}}? Your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433424 submission], which I accepted, seems/seemed to have an m.media-amazon.com Amazon cover URL in it that the software didn't like. Accepting the submission further seems to have ignored it, because the pub record has an images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com URL (to a poorer quality image, but it's the same cover). And I know you've been on a bit of a mission to change m-media.amazon.com links to images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com links for stability reasons. So I'm a bit confused about what's up, I sort of doubt you would have changed something from images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com, and I suspect the URL in the record is what we want and not the URL seen in the submission. That is what we have at the moment, anyway. If you think something should be different, let me know and submit whatever is appropriate, and I'll follow up. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:56, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It is not the m-media.amazon.com that is an issue (it is an exact mirror of images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com so every image on one of them exist under the same name on the other - if we decide not to use m-media.amazon.com, these can be swapped behind the scenes although a lot of the new images coming in are using m-media.amazon.com so it may be a losing battle). The problem in this one is that it is an /images/G/ image and those have their ".L" after a dot - which is caught into the check for formatting so you see this error unlike the cases with the /P/ images where it shows the "these are not /I/ images warning -- the current software can only show 1 warning per field. We do not know how stable /G/ are - I think these may be the old user images which may mean that a user can delete them at their whim. The only ones we know to be stable are the images in /images/I/ so that warning is there for anything that is not in the /images/I/ space in Amazon. It can be ignored for spaces we do not know much I suspect (such as /G/) but if a better image is found over in /I/, it will be better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:44, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Hi. Yes, I understood the warning. What I didn't/don't understand is why that submission's URL did not "take" when I accepted the submission. I'm suspecting that submission didn't actually try to do anything with the URL, and the desired image is the one currently linked (and not on m-media.amazon.com). I didn't want to contravene anyone's intentions by trying to "fix" it, so I thought I'd ask. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:38, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Extended Play'' and "A Night in Tunisia" ==<br />
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Hi. Just FYI, I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433436 this submission]. The primary verifier had completed the contents in a submission made the day before, and "A Night in Tunisia" was already in the contents when I went to process this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:41, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Italian books ==<br />
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A few notes:<br />
: When adding Italian books, the NILF number (the digits at the end of fantascienza.com's IDs which follow the "NILF" prefix) goes into the external IDs, not in the links. <br />
: "digest" is not one of the formats we use for books (it is defined only for magazines) - we use either pb or tp for paperbacks. <br />
: The Translator goes into the title note, not the publication note (or in both if so you prefer but it is required on the title level). <br />
All 3 were fixed post approval [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918597 Operazione: Sterminio] and I also created the variant while I was around. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: A few more notes: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5646; 2 novels entered by other editors as "digest"; 2 records which have the translator in the publication note (and without using the translator template), 1 of which also has the translator in the title note and 1 of which doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:49, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: So they need cleaning up and fixes. As you had probably realized by now, there are a lot of things in the DB that need fixing. Some of them are because of changed rules through the years (the older the record, the more likely is that it was added under different rules and practices), some of them are because of incomplete sources or human mistakes and some of them are simply because the editor did not check the rules and applied their own logic. We try to keep to the rules with new entries and current updates; when time permits, older stuff gets also cleaned up. It is the nature of collaborative projects which survive as long a ours. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yeah, I know there's lots of things that need fixing because I've fixed thousands of them. I'll fix these because like so many others if I don't they'll never get fixed, with many of my fixes being for mistakes that have been in the edit history since 2006-2007 when public editing first started; most of the current editors and moderators have abandoned anything except modern e-books, leaving hundreds of thousands of pre-e books and magazines to oblivion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library OL and archive.org ==<br />
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Once again (User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive) I do have an account with password to Borrow rather than merely Preview. <br />
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How do you use OpenLibrary.org and Archive.org in conjunction, for research?<br />
And when hope to add Webpage at archive.org, or External ID "OL....", for others to follow? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:22, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Are there books with a Preview available, which are not available for anyone to Borrow? (maybe equivalent to Not in the Library) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:57, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm no expert, but the relation between OL and Archive seems to be messy; there are books that show up on OL that don't on Archive even though the previewable copy is an Archive book, there are Archive books that don't show up on OL, books on OL but not on Archive often have a blue borrow unavailable tag at the top, trying to borrow something for 14 days using the pull-down menu next to borrow for 1 hour gives you epub or pdf links which only download some ASIM thing that you're supposed to use with some kind of Adobe reader or something and don't let you print anything from them, etc. I gather from messages on the site that Archive used to be much better about letting people borrow material for longer periods until they got complaints about copyrighted material on their site and switched to the 1 hour thing. So I'd say search for whatever you're looking for on both OL and Archive and, as long as nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep renewing the 1 hour thing endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:00, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Doolittle ==<br />
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Would you consider this pub record still be corrupt (as per the notes), after [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5444256 your edit]? If not, I suggest removing that note. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:26, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Going by the edit history it seems Pwendt wrote it, so I left them a message asking to remove it if they think it needs to be now, after my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Mahood ==<br />
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FYI. You've submitted a couple of edits crediting Frank Mahood as artist - however, he's the jacket designer, which does not imply he's the artist. We do not record designers as artists (unless it's very clear he/she is). That info goes into the notes instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:09, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Talisman ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472 The Talisman]; I think we should go ahead and change the publisher to 'Constable'. Also, clarify in the publisher record that it is now an imprint of Hatchet via Little, Brown and Company. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:15, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I think so; best ask a mod first, but remember it's Hachette, not Hatchet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:52, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Pardon my typo in the above post. If you prefer another mod than me, feel free to solicit one. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dude, I don't care at all. I thought it would be best to ask before making a major change like that, as I've been chastised many times for changing stuff. If you're a senior mod go ahead and change it on your own without asking anyone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:16, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Giesbrecht / Geisbrecht ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5449569 submission] fixes the title but also changes Jennifer Giesbrecht to Jennifer Geisbrecht, which would be a new author record. The Look Inside for the paperback edition of ''Thirteen: Stories of Transformation'' show it as the former spelling in the TOC, on the back cover, and in the interior (although it does not show the interior ones). Searching for "Geisbrecht" found one hit in the interior but does not show it. Is that spelling change a typo or intentional? It looks like her name is actually "Giesbrecht" (see her [https://jennifergiesbrecht.carrd.co/ website]). If there is a credit in there spelled "Geisbrecht", since the book also has credit(s) with the correct spelling, I think we'd be best off assuming it's a typo, using the correct spelling for the credit, and recording the discrepancy and in-publication sources of each of the spellings in the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:43, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You're probably right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:45, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Oh, I see from your later submission that you found it on archive.org. I took a look, and in that copy, it's "Giesbrecht" in the TOC, on the copyright page, and on the back cover, while it's Geisbrecht on the story title page and the running titles. I guess it's safest to document it with the misspelling make a variant. At least there's reasonable provenance that they're the same person.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:56, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heat ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5459602 this submission]: is there a particular reason why you want to remove the Reginald-3 reference from the External IDs list? In error perhaps? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:18, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I noticed this edit was on hold, and knew I wouldn't have removed anything (I'm the one who added this edition in the first place), and looking at edit history now, I see RTrace added the Archive.org link, which I tried to add, on 11/02, so I can only assume that my edit, being in the queue for so long, resulted in the LCCN ID I also tried to add conflicting with the Reginald-3 ID he added (he adds a whole lot of those). So the only thing needed now is the LCCN ID, so I'll cancel my old edit and make a new one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! - and yes, the queue is horrendous atm :( [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 13:16, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum 5 ==<br />
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We don't change the title of a PVed book without a verification by the PV when we have an active PV (and we do not change the title without a note when there is a PV at all): they may be holding a slightly different book or they may confirm the change but in all cases, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484232 this] cannot be approved without a check with the verifier. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:59, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: The same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484204 Spectrum 4] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:00, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484207 Spectrum 3]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:01, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Just a suggestion ==<br />
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Rather than 'fixed title' in your moderator notes, consider an explanation of what you are changing. Make it easy for the pv to see what you did. In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5465175 this] example, 'removed series from publication and cover art titles'. Up to you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:00, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Carnage Road ==<br />
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Re: your note to moderator. I agree the date should be April 2012. However, MLB has deemed the 'The Author' as significant by creating a title record so the Pages field must include those in the count. I suggest submitting an edit for the date and notifying MLB. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:13, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Theatre of Timesmiths ==<br />
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You were correct there was a problem with this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50893 publication]. It had the wrong title record. It was originally entered as 'A Theatre of Timesmiths'. When the publication title was changed, the title record was not. The way to fix it was to import the correct title record and remove the incorrect one. Unfortunately, after I fixed the publication, I meant to reject your variant submission, but approved it by mistake (subsequently fixed). Great job finding this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:17, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Drummer Boy ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5466669 this submission], Amazon says HC, can you provide the source for your edit? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:45, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mischief-Makers ==<br />
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Hello, I have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5472517 your submission] on hold as I couldn't find spec fic elements at cursory glance. Can you provide evidence these belong into the database? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:10, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Shirley Jackson, Joan Aiken, Alan Garner, Richard Parker, Joseph Payne Brennan are all on ISFDB, so should be imported, and I suspect if anyone wants to read the other stories some of them would be genre, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:29, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Re. Mr Ho ==<br />
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Re. your minor [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5464886 edit] for the story "Mr Ho" in 'Tales from the Fragrant Harbour', I'm trying to establish via the publisher Keith Brooke if "Mr Ho" has a period in the title or not, as this may affect whether we need to variant. (my own copy is thousands of miles away and currently inaccessible). Will get back to you on this soon when I hear from Mr. Brooke. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:36, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Keith Brooke has advised me the story appears without a period in his Infinity Plus edition, so I've added a variant that does include a period for your PS edition. Your original edit will need to be rejected. I've also put the stories in your ebook edition in the (very likely) same order as the tp edition; if there are any differences you would need to re-order them. All done, thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 06:58, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadow Games and Other... ==<br />
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Hi. I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481414 Shadown Games and Other Sinister Stories of Show Business] that you've submitted should be flagged as non-genre (can't find any spec fic elements, but who knows?). Do you agree?<br />
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Also, I tend to discourage adding non-genre titles, even for well known gene authors, but your mileage may vary. Ed Gorman is a corner case where you could argue he is 'above the threshold', so I leave it to you to decide to keep this non-genre(?) title in or not. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:28, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481798 Farewell, Fond Dreams]. Didn't check thoroughly, but doesn't seem genre to me. Or is it? (this author definitely shouldn't have any non-genre titles in the database). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:39, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: All of the contents in Gorman's book are on ISFDB, the full-length novel and the stories; looking into this led me to discover that the novel has both editions on Archive.org so I've added links to each and created a record for the Leisure edition which for some reason was never entered here. The Gordon collection includes his ISFDB poem, a couple of short stories on ISFDB, and a couple of those many Exhibition stories, so yes, it belongs here; I suspect if anyone were to read the rest of that pretentious nonsense they'd probably find that some of the other contents are genre, too. EDIT: I'm the one who entered The Haunted Gay but it got errored out which led to it being a stray, which has only happened to me once before, so I asked about it and was told what to do, but it took so long to get approved that a few days ago somebody named Zapp must have seen my message and fixed it, although he added ASIN which doesn't make sense for such an old book, but whatever. Now the Edit History only shows Zapp, so my discovering and entering this rare book will go uncredited, which has happened to me several times recently. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, thanks. Both approved (I didn't import contents though. If you could take care of that?) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 03:53, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::I imported into Gorman's book but as I said Giles Gordon's book probably contains other genre SS so someone can read it and then decide what to do, import and add new ones, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Five Jars ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486580 your edit] I noticed that you left the US edition at 1922-00-00. Now, that's a bit awkward because the UK edition clearly states "First published October, 1922", but whether that refers to the UK edition only, or both UK and US editions, I wouldn't know. Any suggestion on how to treat this ? Re-date US edition to 1922-10-00 as well, with note that it possibly could have been published at a later date (but still 1922)? (author is British, so presumably the UK edition is leading(?)). Thanks, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:MagicUnk, the US edition should remain 1922 unless we have a source for the month. If we want to speculate on the date, that can be added to the pub notes, but we shouldn't change the date itself. There is no issue with having the title date be more specific than some of the pub dates if we know the first appearance. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:32, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, will approve. Not sure if username can dig up more details on the pub date of the US edition. ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:54, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Uploading ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5487303 here]: The cover uploading did go to the right page. The issue was the previous link was to an image for a {{P|189937|different edition}}. Someone either forgot to remove the image when they cloned the record or reused the image with the incorrect assumption it was the same. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:29, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== J. J. Ace & Nick Aires are (not) alternate names... ==<br />
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I have your submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485961], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485964] on hold as I doubt that J.J. Ace is an alternate name for Nick Aires. The only link between the two I could find is the reference to Andreychuk (by Bill Longley) here: {{a|J. J. Ace}}. No source given. The 'About the Author' in [https://archive.org/details/judgmentday00acej/page/300/mode/2up Judgment Day] reveals that J.J. Ace may be an alternate name for {{a|James Richey}} (or not). Can you dig up more substantial evidence to link both Ace and Aires? If not, I'll remove the legal name from J.J. Ace's record, and move it to the note and state that it is doubtful that Andreychuk is his legal name. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:55, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Hour of the Cyclops ==<br />
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Hi once more. Concerning these submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485522], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485520], statement in the notes of one of the verified publication says 'Exerpt of shoft story "Hour of the Cyclops" '. Nevertheless, you've added the story without the '(excerpt)' modifier. Do you have source/evidence it's not an excerpt, but the actual short story itself? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Because it's the exact same text, starting and ending with the same lines, as the online-readable story on 3LBE, which was its original publication. Whoever entered the "excerpt" note was unaware of that, it seems, and it also seems most people are unaware that they reprinted the story, which used to only be available in the original limited edition, in these later editions, since the book doesn't include the story on the contents page and so websites that list the contents miss it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. Also, don't forget to check on earlier messages on your talk page (there can be multiple) ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Planetfall ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5490780 this submission]: This seems like a story written in Planetfall setting and not a novelization of the game. The front page says "an authentically new adventure in the bestselling world of Planetfall." The description on the back does not sound like the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetfall video game]. Let me know if I'm missing something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:22, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hard to say; some Infocom-related sites call it a novelization, like https://yois.if-legends.org/salesinfo.php?id=1265, and http://www.locusmag.com/index/t168.htm and https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/planetfall do, too. But https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/Planetfall says, "Arthur Byron Cover wrote a novel for Planetfall and Stationfall though they're set after the games with similar events happening again", so it's hard to say. Technically it's not and neither is the sequel, so uncheck the novelization boxes, I suppose. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:05, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Editing records with primary verifications. ==<br />
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Another moderator contacted me about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5491318 this submission] that you made to change the title of a publication for which I have a primary verification. As has been mentioned before, our etiquette is to contact the active verfiers '''prior''' to submitting an edit unless it falls under one of the exceptions specified on the verifier's talk page. In my case, that is for adding a missing cover image, or adding notes. Changing the title does not fall into those exceptions. Please refrain from making further edits to records with primary verifications until after you have contacted the active primary verifiers first. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:33, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Well, you didn't enter the title as it appears on the copyright page, Year's Best Weird Fiction, Vol. 1, but you also didn't enter it as it appears on the title page (there's no comma) nor did you enter it as is standard on ISFDB for series anthologies with subtitles, adding a colon between the title and the subtitle, so it's hard to figure out what you intended to do. As you told the mod who contacted you, the title now matches the other books in the series, which is how it should have been entered in the first place. It's easy to say contact PV first, but many of them never answer or they answer with anger at daring to question their work or they say they're not really active anymore and they don't care much about any changes made. In the future I'll be sure to contact you about any and every change since you seem to still be semi-active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::A verifier is not necessarily the person who entered the data and things do occasionally get missed. However, that is the point here. Regardless of the merits of the edit, you should have asked me before you entered it and I know that I've asked you to do so before. I'm sorry if other verifiers responded with anger, but that is no reason to ignore the requirement with respect to all verifiers. I'll also point out that the Last User Activity Date is right next to the indication of verification. Given that I make edits most days, I am puzzled as to why you think I'm only semi-active or why you would have thought I was inactive long enough that you were exempt from the requirement to pre-notify. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:15, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Probably because the last edit of mine you approved was 10 days ago, so I just assumed you'd given up like another mod has recently or you were sick and/or in the hospital for the umpteenth time like several of the other mods. Anyway, a few more problems I've noticed since looking at all of this again: 1) The title date of #1 is earlier than the edition you PV but there's no record for an earlier edition here; 2) The foreign edition is the only book in the "Modern Weird" Series with no series #, format or cover artist, and the other 3 books are listed as 2 PB and a TP, so obviously one of those formats is wrong; 3) Volume 3 HC has no page count, cover artist or contents, and while cover images for both editions are the same and the TP does have a cover artist later volumes in the series have a different cover (#4 also has 2 separate cover artists) for each edition so it's possible that whoever entered 3's HC cover just copy-and-pasted the TP cover without checking to see if that was the right cover, as has happened so many times before with other books ; 4) Volume 4 HC has no ISBN or page count, doesn't have the day entered like the TP does, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents; 5) Volume 5 HC has no cover artist, the page counts of each edition are different, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents, plus the viewable e-book on Amazon (never entered on ISFDB) says Five, not 5, in the title, so both editions probably have the wrong title. I may have missed something, but these are the problems I see, in case anyone chances across this message and can fix anything I've mentioned. EDIT: While there don't seem to be any eBay copies of this series with anything other than cover photos, I did find this: https://alligatortreegraphics.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/ybwf5.pdf, so Volume 5 clearly should be Five since this is either the TP or HC judging by the fact that the contents page has page numbers on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Your definition of being active in the project as has approved your submissions recently is odd. In the context of who is required to be notified before editing their verified publications you should determine who is an active editor by the Last User Activity Date shown in the publication record. I don't know why you continue to try to find excuses to circumvent this requirement, but this requirement applies any publication verified by an active editor; not just moderators, and certainly not just moderators that have approved your edits recently. Your suppositions about my health are also odd. I don't know why you would assume that I am sick or hospitalized. I have been consistently active on the site for many years, except when traveling, which I always note in the Moderator Availability list at the head of the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]]. There is a much simpler explanation as to why I have not approved any of your edits in the last 10 days. That is because there are many other edits before yours in the queue. Currently, the earliest edit in the queue which is not held, or has some other question preventing its approval is from October 30. Your earliest unheld edit is from November 18. While some moderators may cherry pick which editors they want to approve, I do not. I work from the earliest edits first. There are simply hundreds if not thousands of edits in the queue before yours. As for your questions regarding the Year's Best Weird Fiction series, it sounds like you have some research to do. I do think it's unlikely that anyone with insight happening upon this thread under this heading are quite small. You'd probably have better luck posting a question in [[ISFDB:Verification requests|Verification requests]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:56, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Picture Mommy Dead ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496327 this submission]. Looking at the Wikipedia article for the film, it does not appear that there are any supernatural elements to the story. Do you have evidence that the novel has speculative elements that would make it eligible for inclusion in the project? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Oh yes, it's like a Gothic novel in film form, with a young lady seeing hallucinations of the fiery ghost of her dead mommy, bleeding paintings, creepy talking dolls, etc., while her wicked stepmother tries to get her inheritance; at the end she and her dad go insane. So I think it would qualify even if some of those things may only be in her mind; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLN90cNNomw. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::That description sounds psychological as opposed to supernatural which doesn't qualify under our [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions of Speculative Fiction|Definitions of Speculative Fiction]]. I'll cross post this on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and see if we can get some additional opinions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cage ==<br />
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Regarding your comment in the moderator note of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5513407 this submission]: Yes, the canonical title is dated with the date of first appearance even if the first appearance was under an alternate name. The only exception is if a translation appeared before it was published in the original language. We use the first canonical language publication date in those cases.<br />
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By the way, http://www.philsp.com/ links to specific entries are pretty much useless as they are not stable. When they add new data or otherwise make updates to their site, the links end up pointing to different data. I removed it from the notes as it no longer pointed to the the Ray Russell entry. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:43, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fast Ships, Black Sails ==<br />
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What is the source of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5515393 this date change]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:00, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:As so often happens, someone, in this case the long-gone/dead Bluesman, submitted and approved the title date in late 2010, but the 2 PV, you and RTrace, had verified the book in 2009 and early 2010 and so nobody ever fixed the book date to match the title date, so I did. If either of you two want to fix all the other cover art/essay/story dates now you can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::The month does not appear in the book. Amazon does give October, but it would be better to have a more reliable source. I changed the title record to be just 2008 and rejected the edit. You can re-add the Internet Archive link based on the desire you expressed to do it yourself in our earlier discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:52, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Movie Fantastic ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5502186 your edit], it seems to me that ISBN ending in 139 is for the tp edition - see [https://www.ebay.com/itm/274089387617] and [https://archive.org/details/moviefantasticbe00anna/]. A price tag of $2.95 would be consistent with that. ISBN ending in 163 is for HC - see [https://www.abebooks.com/9780517518168/Movie-Fantastic-Beyond-Dream-Machine-0517518163/plp]. Would also mean that OL & OCLC IDs would have to be removed from the hc edition & moved to the tp edition (which doesn't exist yet). Am assuming LCCN is for the hc edition. Could you double-check this makes sense? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:47, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's been so long since I did this that I don't remember the details, so I just cancelled it. If you want to take it up yourself maybe you can figure out what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Zelig ==<br />
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You contributed the publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929400 Zelig]. But I wonder if this has speculative contents. Could you explain why this pub should be selected? The content of the film does not appear to have any speculative elements. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 02:59, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It was nominated for a Saturn Award for Best Director and a SF Chronicle Award for Dramatic Presentation, it was reviewed by Colin Greenland in genre magazine Imagine (January 1984), etc. The title character is a chameleon who can physically change in order to fit in and moves through history taking on the characteristics of famous figures. It's a fantasy, certainly, even if it probably wasn't marketed that way because of the usual snobbery against genre films. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. By the way, I read about me in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Shadow_Games_and_Other... here]. I've been working on 'Cleanup Reports' for a while to correct missing data. But I don't check who previously entered data before each edit. Regarding 'The Haunted Gay', the publication was created after 10/24/2016, so the first contributor is not apparent. Sorry for causing annoyance. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:02, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could you please take another look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nog's Vision ==<br />
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These submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548247 submission1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548248 submission2] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548249 Submission3] are not correct. <br />
<ul><li>If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?117165 Brian Hall] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352747 Brian P. Hall] are the same author, then we make Brian P. Hall an alternate name of Brian Hall and variant [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone].<br />
<li>If they are not the same author then we make Brian Hall(I) the author of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1823138 Nog's Vision], an alternate name for Brian P. Hall and variant. </ul><br />
Are you able to make a determination? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:02, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I guess you're right. Cancel them and do whatever you need to; I see you just did some other edits for this title, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: All I did was convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone] to a chapbook. I was hoping you could determine whether any(all) of the Brian Hall titles are by Brian P. Hall. Will research them? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Books by Hall and P. Hall both published by Paulist Press; also, bio in Brian Hall book calls him Brian P. Hall. So yes, they're the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Donald Glut ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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You had submitted an edit to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352637 Donald Glut] into a variant name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2445 Donald F. Glut], which I approved. However, your subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569807 edit] changes the only credit as "Donald Glut" to "Donald F. Glut" effectively deleting the variant author. You have not indicated any source for the change in credit on the title page of the essay. Did you perhaps intend to make the essay into a variant title under the parent name? If so, please delete the edit and reissue as a make variant. If not, please provide your source for the author credit for the essay. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I rejected it and it says TitleUpdate; I did it again and it says MakeVariant. I think that's what it should have been in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors ==<br />
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After accepting your submissions correcting the author attribution for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?632493 Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors], I removed all the Adam Nevill titles and imported or added the Adam L. G. Nevill titles. If you intended to do it yourself, I'm sorry. There was no note to moderator letting me know your intentions. Next time, change the pub and title records before importing the contents. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:20, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What will changing those records first do in terms of the contents? I'm never clear about these kind of details. Would it eliminate some steps afterwards? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Hopefully you would have submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574809 this import] instead of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5132606 this one] saving the removal step. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:42, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Shadows ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574427 This submission], I think you meant to link to the tp edition. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No, because photo of back cover has HC ISBN and price + other photos are clearly of the HC, too. FantLab just jumbles together info from various sources; nothing they write is reliable, only photos are reliable. By the way, you're one of the mods who seem to like following up on some of the edits you approve with your own edits so I'll mention that the last FantLab photo has a date, September 27, which is supposedly when it was scheduled to come out, in case you can find a publisher's slip photo or something to verify. Of course, that would also mean having to change all the story dates, too, so you may not want to bother. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the photos are of the hc edition. If this is common, I'll watch for it. Pondering on whether we should add a pub note whenever this situation arises. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ritual ==<br />
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In edits like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574855 this], what is your preference? Create the variant or leave it for you? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:50, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you notice something needs a variant it would be better for you to do it because you're a mod and your edit will be approved immediately while mine will probably sit there at the top of my long list for days/weeks, which is silly for those kinds of small repetitive edits. If you don't notice or don't have the time I or someone else will notice eventually and do it. It's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Got it, thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:04, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Bitternest Chronicles ==<br />
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Any thoughts on whether we should change the publication date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325516 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I tend to leave post-2007 ISBN-13 dates alone because e-books made such a mess of determining exact publication dates it's usually hard or impossible to tell when something was actually published. That doesn't mean someone else can't change it if they feel like they're sure when it was actually published. The publisher seems very obscure, although I did find that cool Youtube trailer so apparently at one point they thought they were going to be something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Links in notes ==<br />
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Do you still want me to convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?61965 this] to a clickable link? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please do make any link I provide (there must be thousands by now) clickable if you really want to; I'm an amateur who knows nothing about HTML or hot tags or whatever they call them and just let people cut-and-paste if they want to see the linked whatever. Coincidentally, see my 2 sad attempts at linking to that Bloch boxed set Amazon link you approved a little while ago, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582236, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582241. Also, the Bloch Midnight Pleasures edit you just approved didn't see me move my old note to the bullet list, or whatever you call it, in the notes, which I do when I see any these days because I've learned how to do it, and I also noticed that in the moderator notes I said "Archive.org copy" instead of link; I usually use the word copy when I'm writing about where I got info from in the regular note section. I think it was very late and I was very tired when I was doing a bunch of Bloch edits and wasn't up to my usual standard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alex Andreev / Alex Andreyev ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5580997 This submission]. I'm sure you saw the website name. Did you consider going the other way? Just asking. I'm okay either way, can always be changed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:54, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I suppose you're right, but I think then it would make sense to move all the info as Andreyev over to the empty record for Andreev, right? I checked that Metronome book in Google Books and it's Andreyev like ISFDB says. I can't find a photo of the French Tad Williams book with the artist's name on it and that interior art credit as Andreev is also in Google Books but a search couldn't find the art, so what it's really signed is unknown. I was hoping that all credits would really be under one name or the other and somebody just entered them wrong here, but there's definitely at least 1 book as Andreev and 1 as Andreyev so far. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:12, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the data needs to be moved if you switch. Submit everything, ping here and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:26, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Trouble ==<br />
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Should we add a note mentioning the 21 page difference between the L-O-C entry and our publication record? Looks like all our publication data came from Locus. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:46, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Determining canonical name ==<br />
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You have pending submissions which would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?154935 Lucy Finn] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?32990 Savannah Russe] alternate names for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161282 Charlee Ganny]. Assuming they are the same person, shouldn't Savannah Russe be the canonical name? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:35, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:The bio in that stupid Chihuahua Wolf or whatever says Ganny and mentions those other 2 names as pseudonyms, so I think Ganny should be parent, but I don't really care if anyone wants to change that if the rules here, whatever they are, say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:15, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I just came across the same edits and have the same question. Our standards are that the canonical name should be the name by which the author is best know in the genre. Generally, that would be the name they are most frequently published as. In this case, most of the author's works are published as by Savannah Russe, which is why that name should be canonical. If Charlee Ganny is the author's legal name, that can be reflected in the Legal Name field in the canonical record. It would also have been helpful if you had added the source for this in the notes to the moderator. I looked at both the provided archive.org link (borrow unavailable) and the Amazon look inside feature and neither have access to the about the author page. Are you working from a physical copy? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::If I was working from a physical copy I would have PV it. I don't know, I just assume that if a complete amateur like me can find all this stuff that all you expert moderators should be able to find it, too, which is probably why sometimes I don't lay out exact details. As I've explained before, for some reason many books that were uploaded on Archive.org only link directly from OL, identifiable by that blue-and-white Preview button, but you can still search inside them even if you can't borrow them (I like searching for the word "the" which appears on most pages) and find something like this, https://archive.org/details/chihuawolftailof0000gann_y0f7/page/138/mode/2up, which explains what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::If you had added that in the moderator notes in the first place, John and I wouldn't have had to question your source. It's to your own benefit as well. If we aren't spending our time recapitulating research that you've already done, we can spend more time reviewing edits. As to these edits, the canonical name should be Savannah Russe. Please see [[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this template]] which explains how we decide what name should be canonical. Unfortunately, your edits are making a lesser know name canonical and they'll have to be rejected. Please resubmit these making Russe the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Change of One of Multiple Publications with the Same Title ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edit to update the title of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284335 1996 publication] of "Moonchasers and Other Stories" to "Moonchasers & Other Stories". I'm also holding the same change to the various contained title records. The issue with your edit is that there are two publications under the current title. Assuming the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334 2000 publication] has the "and" as opposed to the ampersand, your edits will result in the 2000 publication containing several incorrect title records. I'm guessing that you did not find evidence that the 2000 pub should be titled with an ampersand, or you would have changed it as well. If you can find such evidence, please change that record as well, and I can approve your edits. If not, you'll need to unmerge the title record for the novel and the cover art, then retitle them, and make the old versions variants of the newly created and changed ones. For the other titles, you can remove them from the 1996 publication, add new content with the correct title, and again make variants after that is done. Please let me know what you find about the 2000 publication, and we'll know how to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:30, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Return to Avalon ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator, you are correct in both counts. Submit the change in page count and cover art credit, note whether you want the reviewer to create the alt name and variant, and leave a note for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Ofearna Ofearna]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:12, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Approved the cover art credit. I assume you will link alt name and create the variant title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:04, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Heir ==<br />
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Submit the edit to add the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3150734 here] and I'll approve it. No need to wait for the whole queue to be cleared. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:28, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duel: Terror Stories by Richard Matheson ==<br />
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While reviewing your updates to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?637552 this publication], I looked at the back cover. I think the team of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25696 Shelley Eshkar] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25679 Jan Uretsky] should be credited for the cover art. Even though the earlier pubs don't credit them, it is the same art for all four. I wouldn't have seen it but for your submissions, so you should go ahead and make the changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Cover artists are credited on the back flap of the HC. The 2 artists, Shelley E. and Jan U., are credited separately and together on ISFDB for numerous covers, but none as by Eshkar/Uretsky. Not sure if the e-book with a date of January 4th came before the TP/HC, so if anyone can figure out which was the first true edition then artist can be entered, imported to other editions, and artist name made a variant of the individual names. Looking into this online also opened up this mess, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265, where the cover art is credited to Eshkar/Uretsky but nobody, not even the many PV, actually entered it that way, even though there are many mentions in notes that that's how it appears in the book, plus Larry Stewart interior art was only entered for the original HC but it's mentioned in several notes for other editions, there's an excerpt in the '99 Tor PB, which is the only copy on Archive.org-I just added a link to it in an edit, one of those weird preview-only copies that only show up if you search on Open Library-which has the date of the HC but almost certainly didn't appear in the HC, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:05, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: For Duel, I would enter the names separately and add an appropriate note to each publication treating the hc as the earliest publication.<br />
:: I don't see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265 Factoring Humanity] as a mess.<br />
::* The Tor hc and Orb tp's clearly state the names are shown separately.<br />
::* Both Tor pb's have an appropriate note stating how the credit appears.<br />
::[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Second printing of Witchcraft ==<br />
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You submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597754 this edit] to add a note to the April 2001 Pinnacle printing printing of ''Witchcraft'' that it is the second printing. I don't see a date listed in the scan of the book. Do you have evidence that the second printing was issued in April 2001? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The only copy on eBay that shows a copyright page shows the same number line ending in 2 with the same March 1997 original date; the record here was entered a long time ago by ChrisJ, who had a habit of entering dates from Amazon, I guess, but not leaving any notes. Searching Google shows an Amazon page with an April 1 date and another that says "New Edition (7 June 2001)", but clicking on that link just goes to a page with the same April date. So there seems to be some confusion; possibly this was a reprint of the original, thus the 2 in the number line, and then there was a later edition that actually has a new 2001 date on the copyright page. Who knows? So you may as well cancel it and maybe someone will find out for sure sometime. I noticed that the same author has a phantom publication from 1994 in his record, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Done. Chris is active and has always been responsive to my questions. As it happens, he added a Locus1 verification which is the source for the April 2001 reprint date. I would recommend cloning the record and creating an undated publication record for the second printing with the scan. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:28, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Haunted JARVEE ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602538 this submission]. The variant title always carries the date of it's first occurrence, not the date of the canonical title when author attribution is the same for both.. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:26, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bob/Robert Chronister ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edits to make Bob Chronister a child name of Robert Chronister. I'm curious as to why you chose Robert as the canonical name. The canonical name should be the name by which the person is best known in the genre. In this case, Bob has 4 credits whereas Robert has only 3. I know it's a close call. Are you aware of additional credits as Robert that you are intending to add? If not, I think we should probably make Bob the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:10, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Text Search for "By Bob Chronister" on Archive.org gets 27 hits, "By Robert Chronister" gets 49 hits. So Robert seems a bit more common and it's the longer and likely legal name, so I thought it should be the parent. I wouldn't doubt that there are other genre books out there with cover art by him that await entering here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Neither the legal name nor the longest name matter for purposes of determining the canonical name. See [[Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this help template]]. I'm concerned about your analysis. How many of the titles reference the same artwork? How many of those titles are genre as opposed to non-genre? Is the internet archive a good sampling of all the artists genre publications? Are there any records where the artist is credited without the preceding "By". If I had been the one making these edits, I would have made Bob Chronister the canonical name simply because it's slightly more common of the records that we have documented. Which is why I'm questioning this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm not sure what's best, because I just entered an edit for the 1983 Bantam PB of the 1973 novel Castaways on Long Ago, with art by Bob, but other Bantam books on Archive.org, including the PB of Have a Heart, Cupid Delaney, which only has the HC on ISFDB, say art by Robert. He also did many other Bantam books and went back and forth between first names. So unless someone finds a bibliography or something and counts exactly how many covers were done under each name it's really impossible to say what's the "preferred" name. I'll try to enter that Cupid PB and find another genre book with Robert as the name so it'll be equal, 5-5, and then you won't have to cancel my edits. I'll respond when I'm done if I'm successful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:58, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. I entered Cupid and also Blossom Culp and the Sleep of Death. Bob 5, Robert 5. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've approved the edits. We can revisit this again if the ratio of the names gets too out of wack. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit for Dark Cities Underground ==<br />
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You left a note about in your update to {{P|8781|Dark Cities Underground}} regarding the cover artist credit. A merge would not be appropriate in this instance. The COVERART for the {{P|284003|book club edition}} is the same title. If you have evidence that the book club edition is also credited as "Donato" then we could merge. I realize that it probably is credited thus, but I wouldn't want to change what another editor added unless I had seen evidence. You could have accomplished this merge through the advance search feature. However, what you want to do in this case is to import the title record {{T|743977}} into the trade publication and remove {{T|138845}} from the same publication. You'll also need to update the date of the Donato record. These edits can be done in any order, but I'd add an explanation in the moderator notes, so the approving moderator will know what's going on. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ting Ling ==<br />
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At [[User talk:Zapp#Vernon Bowen]], you mention a Dodd, Mead first edition --a mistake for David McKay(?). I have some notes on all four ''Ting Ling'' T{{t|2474271}} publications (eds/printings/publishers as well as author). Among other things, the Open Library book is wrongly identified (WorldCat and ISFDB) as the 1966 Young Readers Press, but it's the 1969-10 2nd printing.<br />
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I'm not sure whether I should be able to find your submissions in the queue. Its a busy weekend so I'll wait. If you did create a "Dodd, Mead" then as self-approver I should be able to complete a manual merge, in effect.<br />
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I see that Archive.org mis-catalogs the David McKay as 1966 Katonah NY: Young Readers. Do you have any experience with correction of such data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:04, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oh yeah, David McKay, sorry, both start with D. M. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609262 is my first submission followed by 5609270, 5609272, 5609276. I think those are all the ones I did concerning this book. I would assume you probably have to be a member of Open Library or something to fix errors, of which there are countless on that site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:47, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library cover discrepancy ==<br />
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For the 7th printing ''Dragon's Milk'' by Susan Fletcher P{{p|198429}}, we have OL front cover image (covers.openlibrary.org) of a copy from publication series "Aladdin Fantasy". Half of my long publ Note concerns this problem. But the book scanned has otherwise identical cover that shows "Aladdin Fiction". Do we/you have a way to use cover images from OL/archive.org ebooks rather than from coveres.openlibrary.org? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think you mean right-clicking the Archive.org image, https://archive.org/search?query=fletcher+dragon%27s-milk, "save image as", and then upload the image to our Wiki (either there'll already be one uploaded by someone else, in which case yours will replace the old one and then you go to the book's record and hit CTRL-F5 and the new image will appear, or there'll be no image previously uploaded, in which case after you upload yours you click the image link at the bottom and then enter it in the image field of the book's record in an edit and approve it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:52, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. It seems to me that that is what I mean :--)<br />
:: I was not aware that Archive.org generates a gallery of front covers (or first images in sets that make a book), only the Covers.OpenLibrary.org. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:37, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boris Dolgov ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607016 this submission]. According to Darkworlds Quarterly, the man on the right is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21111 Maxfield Parrish] and the photograph was taken by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?609 Hannes Bok]. Look [https://darkworldsquarterly.gwthomas.org/boris-dolgov-weird-tales-artist/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:06, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moderator note ==<br />
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Regarding your question [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608266 here]. This is not how I would have entered it. I would have made the Pages field: xii+[2]+252 and the page number for the title in question [1]. Whether I'm mistaken or standards have changed since January 2012, I can't say. Regardless, discuss it with Ron before submitting any changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]]<br />
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== Still Life ==<br />
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Did you consider changing the cover art credit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33246 here]? The credit on the back cover is hard to read but it appears to be 'Peter Jones'. Not 'Peter Andrew Jones'. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Doll ==<br />
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After looking at the archive.org scan of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?942823 The Doll] you provided, I think we should change the content title length to novelette. I would estimate under 10,000 words, certainly under 17,500. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, I counted 34 text pages and there's wide margins, so you're probably right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:13, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leavings ==<br />
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Re: your publication note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20082 here]. It is not uncommon for author's to date introductions, forewords, acknowledgements, etc. We ignore that date. They are dated as of first publication, no different than how we handle cover art. It's okay to mention the dates in a note, but I recommend removing any indications that this somehow makes the publication date unclear. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:34, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I wrote it because the book says 1998. Essay dates and date entered on ISFDB are all different months in 1997. So the date really is unclear; editor entered it from Locus which is unreliable at best. It's possible that this small-press publisher didn't have a proofreader and just goofed and typed date as 1998 instead of 1997 twice on the copyright page. EDIT: On a related note, the other book by the publisher on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7110, is a retitled reprint of a 1994 book, has a 1995 title date on ISFDB, a June 1997 date for the edition entered by someone, and a 1996 date for the non-preview copy on Google Books. So dates are guesswork at best. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multi Part Edits ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626703 this submission] which is changing the title field of a publication. The problem is that by doing so, the publication title will no longer match the title in the title record {{T|2125736}}. There is no note to the moderator indicating that you intend to do the rest of the work required for this change, i.e. unmerge the newly created title, make the variant relationship, and adjust the dates of the title records, if necessary. This is similar to the issue created by your recent submission that created data inconsistencies that we discussed in [[ISFDB:Community Portal#E. Borgese|this thread]. Perhaps you missed my latest response where I gave you instructions on how to finish that edit since you stated your were having problems understanding what still needed to be done. My fear is that you are ignoring the response and are refusing to complete that edit. If you are refusing to complete multi step edits, please refrain from entering the first step. If you intend to complete the full edit, please indicate that you will do so in the notes to the moderator. I see that you occasionally add something like "contents need to be imported". I've read that as indicating your intent to do that work after that approval, but it's worded as if you want someone else to do the work for you. For these two edits, please let me know whether you intend to complete them so I know how to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Same issue with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626998 this edit] (also holding) --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It's been a few days and you have not responded to this inquiry, aside form cancelling the held edits. I see that you've reissued [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5631240 one] of them, but unfortunately, it makes the record worse than your original edit. Aside from not updating the title of the book, you've added an introduction with the incorrect title in the disambiguator. I know that you know that the title should be "Winter Children & Other Chilling Tales" based on your previous edit. I don't understand why you decided that it would be better to maintain this record with an inaccurate title. I know that you know how to do all of the follow up edits that are required here. You know how to update the title publication (your previous edit). After that's done you need to unmerge this publication from the others with the alternate title. I've seen you submit unmerge edits before. Then you just need to make the other title (Winter Children and Other Chilling Tales) a variant of the newly created title. Again, you have submitted many make variant edits in the past. Lastly, you'll need to update the date on the variant title (again, you've made many such edits previously). If you need further details on any part of this process, I or other editors are always happy to help. I'm going to have to reject the new edit as it introduces new erroneous data. I can unreject the two edits that you cancelled. I just want your assurance that you are going to complete the edits that you had started. We're also still waiting for your response to [[ISFDB:Community Portal#E. Borgese|this thread]] which is a similar issue, and where I gave you step by step instructions on how to complete that edit. Is there something in those instructions that you aren't understanding and that I can explain more clearly? Please let us know how you wish to proceed with these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well, I'll be honest with you, as I explained in a recent message to you my mind is going rapidly, I also have very little interest in doing this anymore, I see only Vasha77 in edit history for Winter Children so I have nothing connected to that one, I see an edit from me where I added price and corrected name in the Borgese book which I don't even have any recollection of doing, somebody named Zapp who likes to variant stuff made it a variant of the parent name, so I'd suggest you or someone else can work further on her book or dive into Winter Children if you wish, as always it will bother me that others will get credit for work that probably never would have been done if I hadn't found the info in the first place but, as I said, I'm really not capable of handling anything complicated anymore; soon I may not be able to handle anything. Sorry; maybe I shouldn't have started on those 2 books in the first place and should just ignore those kinds of changes if I find any in the future. I do have 625 pending edits, though, most of which I'm sure are approvable, so there's that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:53, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Citadel ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5640087 this submission]. I see you informed the verifier that you were adding a cover scan. However, the author on the cover differs from the author in the publication record. Please work with [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] to determine whether that is the correct cover for this edition, or whether the author is in error, or if there is a discrepancy in the author credit between the cover and the title page. If the latter, that should probably be noted. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== If I Were an Evil Overlord ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5560276 this submission] on hold as I don't see any attempt to contact the two PVs, both of who are active on the site. Please let me know once they've been contacted and responded regarding this edit. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:03, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, I did find [[User talk:GlennMcG#Evil Overlord / Human For A Day|your attempt]] to contact one of them. I don't see the other one, though, and I don't see any response. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Human for a Day ==<br />
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Same with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5560285 this submission]: I can see an attempt to contact one of the PVs, but not the other active one. Please contact the other and follow up with Glenn. Let me know when they've checked their copies. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:09, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Anthony Shriek ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5562382 this submission] on hold as you didn't provide a reason for the name change. Please provide one. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:11, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Because that's the full title of the original Dell edition, entered by me, as you can see if you look at the book's edit history. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I can see that you edited it (three times, I believe), but I can't see what was changed because you didn't include any notes and the current ISFDB doesn't show diffs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:32, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::There's a link in the record to the Archive.org scan of the Dell edition which shows the title page with the full title. Only other edition I see is Centipede but PV Chavey seems barely here these days so getting him/her to check title page is tough; certainly the parent title should be the full one, though. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:35, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Neighboring Lives ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5572626 this submission] on hold as I show no attempt to contact the PV, who is active on the site. Please let me know once you've done that and they've responded. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:14, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Playboy Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574734 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PV. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:16, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosmic Cocktails ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575083 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PV. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:17, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Swordplay ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575100 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PVs. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Warning re: the last exchange with Willem H. on the Community Portal ==<br />
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Re: your last response to [[User:Willem H.]] on the Community Portal, please note that "your meds ran out or something" is a personal attack. They are not allowed as per [[ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy]] and are handled as follows:<br />
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Personal attacks that are not obscene:<br />
*1st offense - a canned warning on the user's Talk page<br />
*2nd offense - a 24 hour block<br />
*3rd offense - a week long block<br />
*4th offense - an indefinite block<br />
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Since this is the first offense, please consider this note a warning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:55, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:In the time it took you to write that you could have been figuring out a way to organize the existing mods or recruit some new ones so that there wouldn't be a situation where I have just shy of ONE THOUSAND edits pending plus a few hundred edits from various other editors. Threatening me with a block on a site I haven't really wanted to be on for a long time is amusing. I seem to remember you did that once before long ago when one of the other editors hacked my page and someone, I believe this same Willem guy, thought one of my messages to the hacker was personal and whined to you about it but you apparently never felt the need to block the hacker because they're still editing; I'm pretty sure if this was a real workplace and I got hacked they would have been fired immediately or worse. I've had trouble with Willem from my first message to him a few years ago and a few times since and had let him know more than once that he should stop being angry and just answer me without any problems and just when I thought he had calmed down and was answering my questions/fixing wrong info sort of properly he suddenly got bristly again so I said what I had to say. If you think that's personal that's your perception. I live in New York; wherever you live may be some pleasant place where people discuss their problems over lattes when they're not crying about climate change but here in Hell we don't play around. In the future I think it will be better if I just cancel any edits where there's the slightest disagreement because who knows when the next problem child will come along. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:57, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: As per the linked Policy, personal attacks are not allowed and will result in escalating penalties as listed above. None of the issues raised in your response -- the number of pending submissions, the fact that your User page was vandalized in June 2021, your history of disagreements with Willem H, etc -- change that.<br />
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:: Re: the 2021 instance of vandalism, the offender [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Text_posted_on_Username.27s_User_page was given a warning and promised not to do it again], a promise that she has kept.<br />
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:: Re: the number of your pending submissions, not all moderators are willing to work on your submissions due to your history with them. Back in 2021 [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Surrounded I wrote]:<br />
::* you are a relatively new contributor, so moderators are more likely to make allowances, but eventually they will become less likely to work on your submissions, which will affect the approval time.<br />
:: which is what ended up happening. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:52, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hacking someone's personal page is far more egregious than a sarcastic comment about meds; one is rude, the other can easily get you fired or arrested depending on where and to whom it's done. Because ISFDB is just some online card catalog nothing happened; try doing that at a real business and see what happens to you. Re: the number of pending edits, you can easily search and find numerous complaints on ISFDB pages stretching back many years before I started here about the slowness of edits being approved, but since the recent server move things have gotten much worse. I have a few dozen old edits that have been sitting for a long time because something or other wasn't clear and so they just get approved now and then by random mods, but the vast majority of the nearly ONE THOUSAND pending edits were done within the last month and most of them are perfectly approvable. So the problem isn't my "history" with mods because that comes and goes with some getting mad and going away for a while and then starting to approve again while others have just quit because of their problems with other mods or the site in general. Honestly, in reading old threads on this site, many of the current and former occupants seem to be...unstable, with some of them using the F word and the like because they disagree about the length of some old pulp story and many who quit still holding grudges against people they disagreed with years ago. So I suggest that whoever is running this site come up with a plan to handle the queue because since I started editing a few years ago the number of edits has increased exponentially with my list more often than not being longer than every other editor on ISFDB combined and the mod structure as it stands right now can't handle the volume adequately. As I said above, from now on I'll solve this problem by cancelling any of my edits that mods have a problem with; I do so many every day that losing a few won't make a dent. That's one of the good things about having no desire to be a self-moderator and only doing this to pass the time; I don't have to pretend to be friends with anyone. Or I may just stop doing this entirely; I'm physically and mentally in bad shape, New York is one of the worst places to live in the country right now, and World War III may be coming soon, so I, and possibly you and everyone else editing on ISFDB, may have much bigger problems to worry about than this nonsense. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:01, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: "Hacking" covers a variety of state and federal crimes. It has a complex definition which has changed over time -- see [https://www.justice.gov/criminal/file/442156/download this PDF file created by the Department of Justice] for a discussion. What happened to your User page in June 2021 was vandalism, not hacking. Another user edited your page using her own account; she didn't break into your account.<br />
:::: Re: "I don't have to pretend to be friends with anyone", the current policy doesn't disallow being abrasive. It does disallow personal attacks and imposes escalating penalties for their use as linked above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction for The Ultimate Alien ==<br />
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The software is forcing a rejection of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5632434 this submission]. The problem is it's merging a variant with its parent, and the merged result would have the parent be a variant of itself. That arrangement is not valid, and so the submission cannot be accepted. I can't tell if there was a note on the submission that's not being presented. Did you really mean to merge these two, or did you mean to do something else? Given that someone went to the trouble to make a variant, it seems likely the piece is titled differently in the different pubs. Looks like we have active verifiers who could confirm/deny. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:43, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Extra ==<br />
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Neither one of the covers in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650584 this submission] are correct. The present cover looks like the ebook cover. The cover you are trying to link is the pb. Open library has the hc cover. Resubmit and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:59, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Webs of Discord ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650361 this submission]. There are several steps that will be required to complete the addition of this publication after it is approved. I know that you have been uncomfortable in the past in dealing with multi-step edits, and I wanted to ensure that you intended to complete the additional steps before this is approved. First off, you'll need to add the contents for the stories. You could have done this in the initial edit, at least for those stories that are not already in the database. For the others that already have title records, you either could have added them manually and then merged each after the edit is approved. Alternatively, you can import the existing records after the COLLECTION record is created. Secondly, since this collection is published under an alternate name, you'll need to make the title record a variant of a new title record with the canonical name. You'll also need to do this for each of the newly added titles. For those titles where the parent title already exists (e.g. {{T|3038297|The XX Agent}}, you'll need to make the new title a variant of the existing canonical title. For those where a parent does not yet exist, you'll need to create a new title as the parent under the canonical name. Please let me know if you intend to complete this submission with the additional edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:12, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Rejects ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
Just letting you know that I've had to do hard rejects on a number of submissions. Apparently they are trying to merge a title that was deleted subsequent to your edit. Please check the XML for these ones and check if the titles look OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:11, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I guess JLaTondre did them himself and beat me to it, him being a mod and able to approve his own edits instantly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm encountering more edits of yours today that require hard rejects. Again, you can check the raw XML for these and inspect the titles to see if they look OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:50, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Looks like JLaTondre again; one of the perks of being a mod, no waiting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:01, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Time Bride ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658630 submission] for ''Time Bride''. I just want to make sure that you intend to import the novelette after this is approved. If it isn't imported, this will show up on a cleanup report as a CHAPBOOK without contents. I'll also note that if you manually add the contents on a new chapbook, and then merge the newly created title with the existing one, after the first edit is approved, it's more clear what your intentions are. Either way, it's a two step edit. Additionally, you can always add your intentions to finish the edit in the note to the moderator. Many others do it that way. Let me know whether you intend to submit the second part of this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great. Approved. You can proceed to finish the edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::My edit importing the story has been sitting around for a week and Zapp came along and added the story today as if it were new so I don't know, something needs to be done, merge or something. EDIT: Now I see Zapp added a 1986 audio edition, apparently there was at least one earlier than the one I entered, but he still hasn't seemed to notice the short story is actually already there from 1983. Maybe he will at some point. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Spawn of Hell ==<br />
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The original image linked to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?696408 Spawn of Hell] was the result of cloning a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287310 later printing]. The later printing was from an unknown year so the software appended 0000 [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:SPWNFHLLVX0000.jpg here]. The editor should have removed the image link from the submission. When you uploaded the image for the 1984 publication, it appended 1984 with this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:SPWNFHLLPR1984.jpg result]. Your edit correctly linked the new image. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:06, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruce Campbell Biography ==<br />
I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662375 this submission] that you submitted as I'm not sure it is eligible for inclusion here. I started [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Bruce Campbell Biography|a discussion]] on the community portal. Please chime in there if you have thoughts on its eligibility. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:46, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grey Star the Wizard ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could I get you to double check your verified copy of {{P|16028|Grey Star the Wizard}}? Our records have the author's as Ian Page and Joe Dever. However, the notes indicate copyrights suggesting the text is by Page with Dever as co-responsible for the concept. Does the title page list them both as authors? If not, please remove Dever as an author from both the publication and title records. I'm in the process of adding the first edition by Page alone. Depending on your research, I'll either merge or make your title a variant as appropriate. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:29, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Title page says "Written by Ian Page", "Edited by Joe Dever", "Illustrated by Paul Bonner". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! I've approved your edit and merged the titles. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:53, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::So the cover declaration doesn't matter? [[User:AndonSage|AndonSage]] ([[User talk:AndonSage|talk]]) 02:05, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Hi Gary - First off, I'm sorry I didn't ask you as well. Your verification shows your last activity 2020-04-30, so I assumed you had left the project. I do see that you have wiki edits from last year, but the last activity date doesn't capture those. As to your question, our standards are to go by what is on the title page rather than the cover. In this case, because Dever is listed as the editor, he should not be listed as an author. It would be fine add to the notes that he edited the book and you could even use the <nowiki>{{A|author name}}</nowiki> template which would link to his bibliography. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:56, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Just a note that there's a single copy of this on Archive.org, an 11th printing with a $4.50 price which just says Berkley Books. Copyright page says "Berkley edition / October 1994" so they kept reprinting these books for many years, it seems. EDIT: There's also a 2nd printing of War of the Wizards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:25, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for the explanation :) I haven't left the project, I check in most days. I just haven't entered any new book information in a very long time due to switching over to Kindle e-books. [[User:AndonSage|AndonSage]] ([[User talk:AndonSage|talk]]) 15:00, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monsters: Three Tales ==<br />
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Will you be importing the three titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?953386 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. One story has a later date so possibly original to the cassette? Also, I added catalog ID to another cassette by them using note written by someone long ago but can't find ID for Dark Dixie. A sampler with ST100 is on eBay so it's likely ST101 or 102 or 103; seems to be a K. K. Rusch collection and a Matthew Costello collection, too, which can be entered at some point. That rotten Sutphen HC annoys me, because an editor entered contents after I made an edit but I doubt most of them are genre, just a publisher collecting whatever junk he wrote because he owned the company. Likely crime stories and stuff like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: We'll show it as original until an earlier publication date surfaces. I don't doubt your guess re: sexpunks. If you come across anything definitive, we can remove titles. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:15, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?187809; Several hours after my edit adding ID I looked at this again and I have several questions. Cover artist is very unlikely to be the same guy who wrote a couple of horror stories who in turn is probably not the same guy who wrote a couple of stories 40 years later. Note says stories are numbered in order but WorldCat has a different order. Making run time into the number of pages seems wrong to me but another editor did the same for one of the other cassettes by the publisher on ISFDB. Why are the narrators in the contents as having done interior art? Cover is an unstable "G" image but I can't find a current Amazon image to replace it with. Maybe someone can answer one or all of these questions and they'll fix a few things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow on the Moon publication month ==<br />
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In your publication note addition on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663685 this submission], you indicate "it is the publication month", but you give no reasoning to back this claim. I was able to see the "3" as indicated on the copyright page, but nothing in the book indicates this is referring to the month of publication. Please let me know how you arrived at this conclusion. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:01, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Same thing for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663686 this submission]. As they are both from the same publisher, is there some page somewhere that explains the number is the month of publication? Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663687 This one], too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:04, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Because in every PV Lenox Hill book, most by Dragoondelight with a couple by Don Erikson, there is a note saying that the number on the copyright page is the month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Okay, thank you. Please include details like that in future moderator notes. That will speed up the process. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Wish month of publication ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5664886 this submission], you cite Wikipedia as the source for the month of publication in the expanded note you added. However, the Wikipedia entry doesn't have any citations for that information, so the information is suspect. Do you have any other sources for the month of publication? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:09, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You mean the Wikipedia page that says Blood Wish (October 2007) on it? I see it clearly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:12, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, but that entry on that page (and, in fact, that entire page in this case) has no citation where they got that information. Wikipedia, by itself, is not a good source. If the fact being cited on the Wikipedia page has a citation there, then we can use that citation to back up the information here. Just because something is on Wikipedia doesn't make it fact. We need a solid source for that information. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:18, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've done a search on Google for possible sources, and the sources I've found vary widely on the publication date. Some give only the year, a few give January 2007, one gives a 2012 date, but I can't find any that give an October 2007 date. The only thing most places agree on is 2007 being the year it was published. I'll go ahead and reject this submission and change the date to just 2007 for now. Unless we can find a more specific date from a reliable source, we shouldn't be guessing on the month. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Some editor named Zapp said they got the month from en.wikipedia.org; I specified which Wikipedia page the info is actually on. Go ask Zapp if they're still around or ask RTrace why he approved Zapp's edit; maybe he knows the date. The only hit on Google for "october-2007" "blood-wish" is Wiki and a couple of pages that got their info from Wiki; if you really want another source McBride mentions Blood Wish is "available right now" on a page dated December 10, 2007; http://www.darkscribemagazine.com/feature-interviews/the-science-of-michael-mcbride.html. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:31, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I've added an additional note with a link to the interview. If you find anything more definitive, we can definitely add it. Thanks for digging. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:39, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::OK, but now numbering is out of order (1,2,4,3,5,6) because there's no month. I would have stuck to Wikipedia because for someone to enter exact dates for these hard-to-find limited editions they probably had the info but whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:56, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::If you mean on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?10043 this page], just click on the "Sort by series number" link directly above the table and it will sort them according to series number (as shown [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?10043+2 here]). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Eden Mystery publisher ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5665010 this submission] on hold as you're trying to change the publisher to one not on the title page. The title page states only "Linford", so (if anything) it should be only "Linford". The copyright page states "Linford" again, along with "F. A. Thorpe". Where does the "Ulverscroft" part come from in your submission? I can't see that name anywhere. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I just cancelled it. In looking at it I think I capitalized first word in note, removed unneeded slash from end of Archive.org link, and fixed publisher. 2 were just cosmetic fixes and the publisher change I think is correct but I'm not willing to argue about it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:00, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rising Sun ==<br />
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I'm disappointed you didn't discuss [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672100 this submission] with me. Your sole basis for the cover art credit is my publication note. Obviously I don't feel a simple photograph used by the cover designer should be credited as cover art. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:57, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There's an easy fix for that; the cover credit can be removed in another edit, although your (?) note has a credit for design by a guy and another for Hayden's photograph, photographs being art per ISFDB rules. If you don't believe it should be in this edition then the other credit in the Dutch edition should be removed, too, except for the fact that a note there, likely written by you since you're the only one in edit history, says "cover art"; it should also be removed from Concrete Island since a note in one of the editions with her cover says "design" and likely Crash is design, too, and should also be removed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:12, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: The note I wrote on the foreign edition was a secondhand source (their wording). Notice, I did not add the cover art credit there. I believe photographs are left to the judgement of the verifier. However, I'll leave your edit intact. Please communicate with me in the future, I'm here almost every day. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:26, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm confused. The reason I added cover art to the English-language edition was because I saw the same cover on the Dutch edition and wanted to add where that cover originally came from. The artist is credited for cover art in the Dutch edition and you're the sole editor in the history; didn't you enter it? I'm referring to 1999 Dutch, not 1994. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:32, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: An editor of your experience should be able to look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4989672 this submission] and see that I added the month of publication and a note where it came from, period. The publication was entered and all subsequent changes were made before we had access to edit history. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4989669 the submission] to the first edition preparing it to be Primary Verified. You might notice my note to moderator, "I'm not giving cover art credit". I was curious why the Dutch publication had a cover art credit. As long as I was looking at it, 8 minutes later I submitted the change you see above. Hopefully, that clears up your confusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Sort of. It's all a hopeless mess, anyway, because as can be seen here, https://www.deboekenplank.nl/naslag/aut/c/crichton_m.htm, Hayden's credit translates as "cover illustration". I enter credits for photographs because that is artistic work but I make sure to identify them as photos in the notes (I see I did so for the last book in Hayden's record); there are thousands and thousands of cover credits here that should not have been entered over the years because they say design in the books but there are also thousands and thousands of artists credited with design who signed their names and thus were also responsible for the art. I doubt anyone here is ever going to do the monumental task of identifying and removing cover credits where the person just did the design; it probably is impossible to ascertain for many of those books, anyway, especially the older ones. Very minor issue, anyway, considering there's probably hundreds of Crichton editions that still haven't been entered or have incomplete or wrong info here even though he died nearly 15 years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:32, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earth Abides ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679458 this edit] identifying the existing record as the 16th printing. I can't find anything in the scan to indicate that the 16th printing was issued August 1977. The existing record states that the data is from {{P|266003|Locus #205}} which is verified by [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]. You could try reaching out to him to see if there is enough data in Locus to match the existing record with the scan of the 16th printing. If not, I don't think we can assume that they are the same, and you should clone the record to make one for the 16th printing. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for ''The Face of the Lion'' ==<br />
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Hi. What's the source of the date in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672954 this submission]? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:33, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's the day entered in the title record and there's no earlier edition. I see certain Amazon sites use the day, too, so I assume that's where previous editor got it from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:51, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ah, thanks. Amazon currently says 1976-01-01 (which of course doesn't mean anything). I found pictures of the interior, and the book says just 1976. I think I'm going to change the records to year-only and move the more complete date to the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:55, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK. This, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=cape&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=john+blackburn&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], shows that several have months entered from Amazon UK by one or more editors; the only one I trust is Household Traitors because the month was entered from a proof copy by...me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Journey to Another Star and Other Stories ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5682784 this submission] of yours. The problem is that by changing the credit of "The Good Old Days" from Jack M. Dann to Jack Dan will result in a title that is a variant of an identical title. I can approve this edit if you agree to merge the two titles after it is approved, which will fix the problem that your edit will create. Ideally, that should have been done before your other changes were submitted. Let me know whether you agree to do the second part of this edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:48, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I cancelled the edit and did it over minus the stupid note about the logo because all these Lerner SF books have the same thing, it's not unique to this one. I started another edit merging "The Good Old Days" and making Jack Dann the name but it gave me a message about something that can't be a parent title of itself. I assume when merging that the parent record number chosen should be the blank one, not the one with the number, right? Is that what that message means? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, I believe that's the meaning of that message. The parent ID is for one of the records you're merging. Because you're collapsing them into a single record under the canonical name, there is no need for a parent ID and as you guessed, you should select the blank one. Let me know if you have any further issues with the merge. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:02, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover for De beste sf-verhalen van de King Kong award 1977, deel 2 ==<br />
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I had to do a hard reject of your edit to make {{T|3176596|De beste sf-verhalen van de King Kong award 1977}} into a variant of the cover for the Da Vinci Code. I cleaned up the proposed parent record which made your edit invalid. However, I was intending to reject your edit anyway. The problem is that the cover you were making into a variant has two artists: Leonardo Da Vinci and Tais Teng. The fact that the cover art was either altered enough to be a posthumous collaboration or whether Teng contributed separate elements that were combined for the new cover, makes it effectively a different work than Da Vinci's painting and we can't really make it a variant. If we were to do so, it would show up because Teng is not an alternate name for Da Vinci (which it shouldn't be, of course). You could certainly add a note or even a link to the other title, but we shouldn't do a variant. Also, just to let you know the edit I did was to remove a coverart record for the original painting. There was a recent discussion where the consensus was that we should not have records for paintings. Hope this explains what went on. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:38, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Terminal Man ==<br />
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The archive scan you attached to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?838258 this printing] appears to be from another edition/printing. This note, "The purple endpapers have three different labeled diagrams of the human brain", isn't reflected in the attach scan. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:10, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Removed when approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:13, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Box: Tales from the Darkroom cover image ==<br />
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Whilst clicking through approvals for my latest batch of broken Amazon images, I inadvertently replaced the openlibrary image [you submitted a few days ago from openlibrary.org, only realizing after I'd approved my edit. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5688961 The two images are visibly different] - the Amazon one is lighter, and the openlibrary one has a grey box above the T in "The". <br />
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Google Image Search found [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=8736040284&searchurl=fe%3Don%26ds%3D5%26sortby%3D1%26tn%3Dbox%2Btales%2Bdarkroom%26an%3Dgunter%2Bgrass&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title2#&gid=1&pid=1 this photo of the real book], which looks closer to the Amazon image than the openlibrary one, but I'll revert to the latter if you want.<br />
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The archive.org links you added in the same edit remain as they were. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:49, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You're right, Amazon image is better. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Krilov Continuum ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5691914 this edit] to change the author of ''The Krilov Continuum'' from "James Lovegrove" to "J. M. H. Lovegrove". The edit is good, but will require two additional steps to complete. You'll need to un-merge this publication from the title record for "James Lovegrove". Since there is already a title record for "J. M. H. Lovegrove", you'll then need to merge the newly created title record to that one. Please confirm that you will submit the additional edits and I can approve the first step. I'll also mention that when other editors do this sort of multi-step edit, they will mention in the moderator notes that they intend to do the required next steps. Doing that will allow moderators to approve without checking that you understand the subsequent edits that are required. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:41, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Steel Spring ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5702323 your edit] to change the author credit for ''The Steel Spring''. This edit would created a discrepancy between the publication and title records. This would be fine if you intend to unmerge the publication from the title and then make the new title a variant in subsequent edits, but I see nothing in your notes stating that you intend to make the additional required edits. However, and more importantly, there is an active verifier for this publication and I do not see indication that you conferred with them before submitting this edit and that they agreed that your edit is correct. Please contact the other editor and if they agree, please let me know whether you intend to submit the additional edits after this one is approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I cancelled it and made another one adding just Archive.org link and LCCN. I left Crazy a note that they should change count to 188 and change author's name to Peter but I don't expect a response because they've responded to nothing on their page, starting in 2021, including a previous message by me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Adventures of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang ==<br />
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I approved your edits updating {{P|419847|The Adventures of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang}}. The page count you updated would indicate that this publication is too short to be a novel and this change will cause it show up on a cleanup report. You should convert the publication to a CHAPBOOK. The best way to do this is to first update the {{T|1606813|title record}}, changing it from novel to shortfiction. After that is approved, you would update the publication record, changing the type of the publication record to CHAPBOOK and adding a new content record also of type CHAPBOOK with the same title and author. It has to be done in these two steps because there are some form level edits that prevent changing the novel content record (as I recall). Please ask if you have any problems doing these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:36, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Changed to shortfiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. You can proceed with the next edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think I did it right; done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::You did. It looks good and we caught it before it could show up on the cleanup report. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:18, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robin Bennett ==<br />
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After realizing that you were crediting all the Robin Bennett titles to Robin Bennett (I), there was no need for the erroneous alternate name. I just broke the alternate and merged Robin Bennett & Robin Bennett (I). That's why you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708751 this one] rejected. Intended to reject [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708752 this one] but approved it by accident. Subsequently corrected. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?159608 Here] is the result. Sorry about any confusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art ID ==<br />
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Hey! How did you ever identify [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Screen_Shot_2022-11-10_at_11.05.35_PM.png this] (the signature on the cover of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6612 Changing Places]) as the signature of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?86329 Randy Hamblin]? Great job! It's a relief. I thought no one had noticed that I'd asked. But really, how did you ID it? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 22:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Honestly, when I looked at this just now I thought this was an old edit of mine from last year or longer ago but I see that I entered it barely a month ago. I assume I took the first letter of the first and last names and searched for Scholastic artists with those initials. That's my best guess. I didn't leave a note to moderator for some reason so it's hard to say. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well, thanks. [[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 15:25, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Projections (cover) ==<br />
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Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3208107 this cover] credited to Meltzer, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26331 Davis Meltzer]? If so, go ahead and submit the necessary edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:58, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Rejects for Malcolm for President ==<br />
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I had to hard delete two of your edits for ''Malcolm for President''. As a result of [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Malcolm for President|this discussion]] we determined that the title was not eligible for inclusion in the database. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:49, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Maverick Moon ==<br />
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# Temp hold on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714020 this one] Which [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?207 series] do you want to put it in?<br />
# Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1854167 this one]; Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11 Star Wars] the right series? <br />
Also. Should these be marked juvenile? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:00, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I removed series from title of Maverick Moon because that's SOP; many books in the early days, some even in latter days, had series included in book titles when Fixer or whatever it used to be called just trawled Amazon and entered stuff verbatim. So when I see series in titles I get rid of them. I believe these books are already part of a series/pub. series on ISFDB as most Star Wars books are and if they aren't I wouldn't be the one to decide which of the many subsets they belong to because most are PV and changing anything angers people sometimes. Juvenile is relative, adults read these, too, so unless it says specifically in the book that it's for a certain age group I don't think they should be juvenile. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Greybeards at Play ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714773 this one]. The canonical title always carries the earliest publication date. Even in this situation, where the title was originally published under what we call an alternate name. Think about the author's bibliography page and what it would reflect if I accepted your change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:07, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== I See a Long Journey (cover art) ==<br />
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Since [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_dups.cgi?109678 these] are not the same, we need do not merge warnings in the title notes. Otherwise, someone will merge them for sure. Let me know if you submit edits or prefer I take care of it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:14, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:22, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: That works. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:26, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge and Other Stories ==<br />
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You need title notes in both or someone will merge them for sure. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:28, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author picture (fantlab) ==<br />
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What's up with all these fantlab edits? Are the old links going away.? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:01, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The trailing stuff at the end of the URL is not needed, as I believe Annie told me a long time ago, so when I saw one of them randomly the other day I decided to do a search and get rid of all of them. There were only a very small number of them and some of them got updated by me with other stuff, too, so it's all good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Just curious. I'm sure you saw I already approved them [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:09, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Portrait of Barbara ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5729867 your edit] to modify the title of a publication. This edit would create a discrepancy between the publication title and the title record. If your intention is to make the additional edits to make this change (unmerge and then make variant), I can approve this. In the future, you can include your intent to make the additional edits in the notes to the moderator, and we can just approve the edit without inquiring. Please let me know how you intend to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:22, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yeah, sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, approved. You can proceed with the next edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:44, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ragged Maps ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Mhhutchins Mhhutchins] has subsequently updated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?937214 Ragged Maps] so these three [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733897], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733898], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733899] should be cancelled. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:35, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK, I deleted them, but doesn't the yellow warning that was implemented recently show up to let people know that someone else made edits before them? Because mine have been sitting around since 8/5 waiting for one of you to approve them and then Mhhutchins comes along more than 2 weeks later and just enters everything I did instead of approving my edits, which they could have done considering they're a mod. No offense, but I have to correct other people's edits constantly, including many of the moderators' edits, so I wonder if everything was entered correctly. Maybe someone should check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dungeons & Dragons: The Movie ==<br />
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Cancel and resubmit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737842 this one] with author name Neal Barret, Jr. (comma required) so all I have to do is make the name an alternate and variant the title. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:10, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Other Aliens ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5739567 this submission]. Why change only some of the pipe to page numbers? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:24, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Because they're all essays/interviews, standard for me when I fix stuff in collections/anthologies where the fiction is uncertain (see someone's note); I do the non-fiction stuff and leave the rest alone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:33, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Just to make sure I'm clear. You want to jumble the content titles because there is a note saying some of the title types could be wrong? Why not check the titles, clear the note, and replace all the pipes? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:48, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Never mind. I cancelled it and re-did it with just the archived link; RTrace was the one who entered the contents and the note so maybe now that there's a real copy to look at he'd like to verify all the contents and add the numbers. I'll ask him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Reformation of St. Jules ==<br />
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FWIW, specific references into the the locusmag index constantly change. Your usual method of putting it in the note to moderator is best. I know you were were just updating the existing note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:44, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Circus of Dr. Lao ==<br />
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Take a second look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968542 this one]. Price looks like 1.25. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. Price sticker which is front cover only in images added to other editions here is divided between front and back in this copy, 1 and 25. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:05, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 31 Days ==<br />
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https://editablegifs.com/gifs/gifs/halloween-10/output.gif. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Best Stories of Thomas Burke ==<br />
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Will you be adding the contents to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?969016 this pub]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:20, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Probably not because today will be my last day editing here until October 1st (Halloween season). I usually don't like to enter numbers for older books unless I see an actual copy, usually on Archive.org, because sometimes contents pages are inaccurate. If you feel like entering them you can do that; maybe a copy will turn up someday and numbers can be verified. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Shattered Mask ==<br />
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I agree with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5750006 your submission] that the art credit s/b 'Terese Neilsen'. Do you agree this is a simple misspelling that should be an alternate name for 'Terese Nielsen'? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:15, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree. EDIT: You fixed it but I noticed the following art credit for a Dragon issue says "only as" and uses her canonical name, which seems wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:28, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Good catch. The parent title was corrected 2 years ago but the erroneous variant was never merged. Fixed now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:51, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pines ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756035 submission] to add a disambiguator of "(excerpt)" to {{T|2071435|The Pines}}. Your note to the moderator asserts that it's an excerpt from the author's novel of the same name, but does not cite a source for this assertion. Miller/Contento, which ordinarily does identify excerpts, does not do so in this instance but instead lists it as a short story. Could you please let me know what your source is? Also, if we do proceed with this edit, excerpts are generally entered as SHORTFICTION without a length, so the short story length should be blanked as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:43, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/after-hours-volume-1-number-3-summer-1989; See copyright page (I assume I came across this long ago and it stuck in my head but I never got around to changing it until now; Dunbar's short story writing didn't start until 10 years later). Also, I noticed the art wasn't entered except for the cover but interior artists are mentioned on contents page and I saw a later issue on eBay that also mentions the artists so someone who's interested could probably cobble most or all of the issues from various online sources and add art credits. I checked all 25 issues and none of them have interior art credits and none are PV so it wouldn't need checking with anyone else to add those credits. There's also the issue of having to change starting page numbers by 1 for those stories that begin with an illustration and a lot of the stories don't have lengths because editors likely added contents for most or all of the issues from Locus/Philsp and they call very short stories "vignettes" and those often are not given lengths here. EDIT: I just added, in an edit, "excerpt" to Lisa Cantrell's "The Ridge" which is from her novel with a .jpg link to the contents page of that After Hours issue. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. I'll leave the interior art to you. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I feel like I've said this before but print and/or online sources of information are totally unreliable so what Miller/Contento or anyone else says can't be trusted. Also, aren't you one of the magazine guys? Because whenever I add a story link you run through all the issues of the zine it appeared in and fix whatever needs fixing, sometimes doing almost nothing else for a couple of days. I'd think that many/all of the 25 issues missing any credit for the artwork would be something that needed fixing (seems odd that no one ever noticed before me, apparently, since the magazine ended its run in 1995 just before this site was created). Makes no sense to leave it to me because I haven't been doing any new edits since Labor Day except for a very small amount that I felt needed doing (the few edits you rejected recently which I did over again, a couple of unstable cover replacements for books I PV, a few D. F. Lewis story links, and the excerpt edits mentioned above) and when I start again in October I'll have totally forgotten any of this and, hopefully, after Halloween I won't be doing any of this at all. But that's OK, I'll leave a message on Community Portal copy-and-pasting what I wrote above and I'm sure at least a few editors will be glad to get credit for adding a whole bunch of artists to these magazines, many of which were/are major figures in their field, assuming anyone actually bothers to respond. If nobody does it's no big deal because if anyone really cared they would have been added many years ago. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:20, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Bell of Nendrum ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5761871 submission] to add ''The Bell of Nendrum''. Reading the blurb on the back, it appears to be a historical novel. Do you have evidence that it contains supernatural or other genre elements? With only two novels listed, I wouldn't think that J. S. Andrews is above the threshold which would allow non-genre works. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:51, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The USA edition is on ISFDB and a note from someone says it was originally published in the UK under this title so I entered it. If it doesn't qualify then the other edition should be removed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I see it is listed in Reginald. I'll approve. Please make the US title into a variant of the original. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:05, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bogies conjunction ==<br />
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I realize it's an old submission, but for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719018 this], where did you get "&"? I got a Google Books preview of the second edition to show me both the TOC and title page, and it is "Bogies Ancient and Modern" in both. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:50, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I was very confused about this because I distinctly remembered using an actual copy of the old edition; turns out that edit was rejected, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001, months ago for something minor and I forgot about it. So since RTrace is "away" again maybe you can un-reject it and then add the one-sentence info he was complaining about being lost to the re-named publisher. Re: this story it's spelled with an "and" on contents page and top of story's right-hand pages but with an "&" on story's title page in the old edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Got it, thanks. I think I have it all fixed up now. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Dequer ==<br />
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I accepted your submissions for the two different John [H.] Dequer credits. I made the assumption that each is the same person, and Google suggests "John H. Dequer" was how he was broadly known, so I made [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369598 that] the canonical and made the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369597 H-less one] be the alternate name. If you think that's wrong, please edit as you think appropriate, or let me know and I will do it. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:16, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK. I'm adding a link about the author to his record now if you want to approve it; seems he was a shady character and a lot about him is not clear. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm not sure if the author change review screen tells me about submissions accepted out of order the way the publications review screen does.... Did you mean to change the information I had dug up (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5789909 this view]), or did we cross-post? If it was accidental, I can combine the info. If it was deliberate, that's ok. I'm certainly not up on which of these sort of sites is more (or less) authoritative than another. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:58, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I just rejected mine and did it over, again adding the Blogspot link. Everything else would be yours so check to make sure everything you did is there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:11, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. Sorry about the extra work. Nice little find. Shady character, indeed! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:18, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ransom's / Gorman's "Anruf um Mitternacht" ==<br />
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Hello, Username! Can you please cancel your submissions regarding this publication / title? I just updated the records (and there's a translator credit if one uses the sources most valuable). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:51, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I saw 2 of them with that title in my massive backlog of pending edits so I cancelled both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:55, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, likely one for the title and one for the publication. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:02, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Continuing discussion from Mavmaramis' talk page ==<br />
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While you may doubt whether Mavmaramis cares about long posts arguing about your perceived grievances, I make no such claim as to their state of mind. I wouldn't like it if editors did that on my talk page, so I'm moving my comments here.<br />
*Re: Contacting only one verifier when several are active.<br />
*:You stated that you you didn't ask Mavmaramis about the Eshbach book, because you could not determine whether they were active. I pointed out that the last activity date is visible with the verification. You then argued that that date isn't how you determine whether is someone is active, but rather, it's whether they respond to you in the wiki. <br />
*:Your definition of who is active is not workable. An editor is active if they've made edits whether they post in the Wiki or not. In this case Mavmaramis is the only other verifier for the book you asked me about. Mavmaramis' last edit was on 10/24, and they posted a response to a question from you on their talk page on 10/25. Yet, you stated "it's always confusing trying to remember who's still active". I see no reason to be confused. If a verifier has a recent date in their "Last User Activity Date", they are active and must be consulted before making substantive changes to the record. If you are making the edit, you must contact all of them. If you are asking a question, it's a good idea to ask all of them, especially if you are asking that the publication be changed. Asking only a single verifier, shifts the work of notifying others to the verifier that you asked.<br />
*Re: Whether editors will engage with you<br />
*:I am aware that multiple moderators have publicly stated they will no longer moderate your edits. I'm merely stating that it wouldn't surprise me if there are editors who will not respond to your posts on the Community Portal and other pages. It's not a matter of popularity. It's likely about avoiding interactions that are unpleasant.<br />
*Re: Using the canonical name for artists.<br />
*:I stated that it's "OK" and "acceptable" to use the canonical name for artists. Why you would think that I meant that it is required to do so escapes me. Especially since in the context of the original post to Mavmaramis, I stated that I was happy to change Fabian's credit and sought their agreement to do so.<br />
*Re: How many edits I moderate.<br />
*:You asserted that the velocity of my moderations has decreased. I questioned why you were tracking how many edits I moderate and you replied that your reason for tracking my moderations is because of how much you have to scroll when looking for a particular edit. <br />
*:There are over 20 moderators who have been active in the last month, yet any delay in moderating your edits is because of my velocity? You claim you have no interest in me, yet you make claims about about my rate of moderation. Both things can't be true. As to the edits of yours that I have skipped (and those are moderated insofar as I have to evaluate them find them unable to be approved), I've explained to you many times that they generally fall into two categories. You either neglect to get the assent of active verifiers, or you neglect to document your sources for the change in the moderator notes. While I post a question on your talk page, for each of these and then wait for you to respond (or more likely argue why you don't think you have to fix the problem), I simply don't have time or inclination do so, aside from the extra burden of having to track dozens (hundreds?) of conversations back to pending edits. If you find your edits languishing in the queue, maybe review them yourself and if they fall into these two categories, cancel the edit and reissue, seek approval from the verifiers, or reissue the edit with proper documentation.<br />
Hopefully, this addresses the points you raised. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:32, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::There are, as of 9:15 this morning, 1,872 pending edits of which nearly 1,000 are mine. We need moderators to approve them in a timely manner. Some of you should figure out a way to do that. Also see this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi, where I am #6 on the all-time list of Editors on ISFDB and, of the 5 ahead of me, 3 are inactive, 1 is deceased, and 1 is a robot. I am the most prolific ACTIVE editor in the 17 year history of public editing, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Beta, on this site, and I've only been editing for less than 3 years. So my edits get approved one way or another; all I need is 2 mods, one to approve and another to step in if the first one is not available. I've had mods get angry and stop approving my edits before but they usually come back, sometimes leaving again after they disagree with other people on this site, so it makes no difference to me. You all had problems long before I got here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Christmas Eve ==<br />
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https://images.wondershare.com/filmora/article-images/2021/day-after-xmas-meme1.jpg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:10, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Night in Funland ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805002 submission] to merge two title records for the story "Night in Funland". The issue is that this would change the spelling of the author's name in two verified publications. Please contact the verifiers and have them check the spelling. If it differs, then you would need to make a variant and adjust the date accordingly. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:05, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Vasha asked me about this back in 2017, and I thought it had been updated. I confirmed that Peden was correct. I can fix my pub [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:13, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Auric was the other PV, and he didn't respond back in 2018. I think we should accept the merge. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:20, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I'm not really willing to release this hold until all of the active verifiers have weighed in, or been given a chance to do so. Whether or not [[User:Auric|Auric]] responded to a post 5 years ago isn't really material to this discussion. Please see [[Help:How to change verified publications|this help page]]. Per the note on Auric's talk page, we've been asked to be patient in waiting for a response. However, since Username failed to ask about Auric's publication prior to submitting this edit, nor after the edit was held, they haven't really had a chance to respond yet. They have responded to inquiries as recently as November 14 which is after this edit was submitted. Had the notification been made prior to the edit as should have been done, Auric likely would have responded by now. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:02, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::He'll likely respond like most PV do here, with total disinterest because they stopped caring about being an editor a long time ago, they can't get a hold of their copy because they're moving soon/just finished moving or they're going in hospital/just out of hospital, or "how dare you imply I made a mistake". I assume it'll be one of those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:06, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Auric has responded and we all agree that Peden is correct. Can we release the hold now, [[User:Rtrace|Ron]]? [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:42, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::I wouldn't hold my breath. The pending edits list is about to hit 3,000 (nearly 2,000 of which are mine) for I believe the first time ever since I started 3 years ago. The 9:30 pause this morning for updating also took longer than I can ever remember, nearly 20 minutes. I also notice more fake spam accounts lately that mods have to block which takes time and there was 1 apparently non-fake account the other day by someone whose name was the N-word. So, you know, things aren't going very well and all we can do is wait until they get back on course. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved. Thanks for getting approvals from the verifiers. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:07, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959 this submission]: You state "Artist's signature on lower right of cover.", but there is no cover image. The Internet Archive scan does not have a cover image either. Do you have a source for the cover that we can link to or upload locally? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:48, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Muster_of_Ghosts_II. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:08, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodwars ==<br />
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You gave no reason or any evidence as to why you are changing the publisher on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737123 this submission]. I see you posted a message today on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Unapersson#Bloodwars PV's talk page], but there hasn't been any response yet. I've placed this on hold until you can provide evidence to support the publisher change. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Not to Be Taken at Bed-Time and Other Strange Stories ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5744184 this submission] on hold pending verification by [[User talk:Chavey|the PV]] of what appears on the title page. Covers and title pages don't always agree, and we go with what's on the title page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:21, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page is shown on FantLab; I added their ID in an edit last year. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur, the Bear of Britain ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5810001 this edit] that changes the author of {{P|279590|this publication}}. This is another edit where you are removing all references to an existing author and will consequently delete the author record and all included metadata. You really need to check existing authors and publishers when editing them within publication and title records to ensure that you are not removing the sole references. In this particular case, the author you are changing to already exists. Please copy the metadata from the author record you are deleting to the one you are replacing it with. This needs to be done before this edit can be approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:45, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I do not understand what you're attempting to do by cancelling your first edit and submitting a new one without correcting the author which you know to be incorrect. The only issue with the edit you cancelled was that it would delete {{A|Edward Percy Frankland}} which has metadata which would be lost. If the data was moved to the new author first, the delete wouldn't matter. What was your reason for not correcting the author record so that your original edit could be approved? I know you know how to update an author record with legal name, birthplace, dates, and webpage. You submit such edits all the time. Yet here, you refuse to do so. I'm going reject your new edit and un-reject your original one. Please move the metadata from Edward Percy Frankland to {{A|Edward Frankland}}, so that your original edit can be approved. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:52, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Let me explain something to you. Since Thanksgiving a week ago I've been sick with some kind of bronchial infection that's caused me to sneeze blood and cough up ropes of green phlegm. Yet I've continued to edit here every day at the same high volume I usually do. I feel better than I did a few days ago but am still not well yet. So you can reject, un-reject, or anything else you want to do. You're lucky I'm still doing any edits at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:01, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Sorry to hear that you are ill and hope you recover soon. By all means, wait until you feel better to respond. There is no hurry. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:36, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wired ==<br />
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Take another look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5812025 this submission]. Your cite Amazon as the source of your changes, but the publication date and format agree with our record (OL also says Jan 11 & pb). I agree with regularizing the publisher and correcting the Pages field. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:00, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I checked again and while Amazon India says 1 November Amazon Australia says 11 January; both have dimensions of 10.8 x 2.54 x 17.15 cm which would be just under TP size so I think you're right there. I'll cancel and re-do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Updated submission approved. Don't forget to cancel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5812026 this one]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
== Sifton ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?787111; <br />
Hi. It'll be a while before I find my copy, so I'll change it provisionally. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:40, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ninth Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to correct the prices on the {{P|44729|1st printing}} of ''The Ninth Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories''. The edit is essentially fine. However, this will lose the information about the 4th printing which you mention is the source for the existing pricing. I would recommend cloning the existing record to create a new record for the 4th printing. After that is approved, then this edit can be approved and we'll have records for both printings and no data will be lost. Let me know once you've cloned the record and we can proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:12, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I made a clone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XVIII ==<br />
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I found my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34048 S&S XVIII] and you are correct. The page count <b>is</b> 308. I can change it if you want. I've located my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34041 S&S XIX] and will double your suggested edits when I can get to it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:50, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Science Fictionisms ==<br />
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I would like you to pull your [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5881453 submission]] as I just uploaded a scanned cover image and noticed your pending submission. I will incorporate your archive.org link with it. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:15, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:25, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Cthulhu is misspelled in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:36, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Fixed. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:56, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Fire and Wings: Dragon Tales from East and West ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878747 this submission]. I agree the book is the 2002 printing, but I'm a little suspicious of the jacket. '0912' on the front flap. If the jacket is from a later printing, the price might be incorrect. What am I missing? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:28, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's the ages of who they market the books to. I checked another 2002 book from Cricket on Archive.org and it also says 0912. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:37, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thank you, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:38, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Aztec-Hunters ==<br />
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I agree with everything in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878782 this submission] except the Pages field. The largest Roman numeral I see is 'viii'. If you agree, I'll approve and then make the change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:45, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's always a judgment call with these situations. The second illustrations page should have a Roman numeral because it is continued from the previous page, viii, but older books often left the last number off depending on whether it was facing a blank page or on a left-hand or right-hand page or whatever; other older books just printed the number without a problem. So if you want to you can add the missing number in brackets or something like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:54, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: There is no judgement involved. From the help: "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers for introductory material, followed by Arabic numerals for the main text of the book, enter both sets of numbers. For example, a book with a page count field of "viii+320" has "viii" as the highest numbered page with a Roman numeral..." In the above publication; If the next page was material that warranted a title record, the Pages field would still be 'viii+363' and the content page number would be 'ix'. Roman numeral pages can never have a bracket. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:05, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== 1948 Fantasy Annual ==<br />
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There are several problems with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878597 this submission].<br />
* From the help section [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date Date] - "<b>Dating Periodicals</b> - Except for reprints (see Periodical Reprints), use the issue's "cover date", regardless of when the issue became available." Therefor 1948 is the correct date.<br />
* From the help section [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title Title] - "Magazines. For the title of a magazine, the best source is the information (often below the table of contents) about the publisher, giving the address; this often says something like "IF is published monthly by . . . ." If this is not present, the magazine cover and the heading on the contents page are about equal in priority; again take a good guess." Granted, the cover and T-O-C are equally weighted. However, since the cover title seems better known, per secondary sources, I think we should stay with that. <br />
I suggest cancelling the submission and resubmit the archive.org link. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:16, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ''Driftwood's Crusade'' ==<br />
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Hi. Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5845047 this submission]. I found on [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Driftwood_s_Crusade/oUTQGAAACAAJ?hl=en Google Books] something that agrees with the 2007-08-01 and the 216 page count. I notice it is a hardcover. I suspect the one on [https://archive.org/details/driftwoodscrusad0000davi Archive.org] that you were looking at is for a different, paperback edition. Note the crease on the front cover and the lack of jacket flaps in the scan. The long dimension given in the metadata is 18 cm (7"), which would be typical for a paperback. Also, C$10.95 pb price would be somewhat consistent with an hc price of $14.95 (whether USD or CAD). The format difference could explain the significantly different page count. August 2007 might or might not have an ISBN-13, but later editions would. On [https://www.bayeux.com/products/driftwoods-crusade?_pos=1&_sid=c1cb85c38&_ss=r bayeux.com], they list 2009 and 2011 publication dates for trade paperback + ebook (no mention of hardcover). What do you think? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:39, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I cancelled and made a new one with more exact wording. Seems to be some confusion with this publisher here because the other 2 series books have unknown and TP for format. War is also on Archive.org and there seems to be another that either was overlooked or possibly is not genre so there's more to check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Literature of the Supernatural ==<br />
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Will you be importing the content titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995705 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:12, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Accidental Time Machine ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338 The Accidental Time Machine]. Re: your note to moderator "shouldn't this book be $99.00 like the others in the set?". The PV appears active, ask them. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:07, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I don't see anything from them in almost 2 years so they're not really active and verification was transient, anyway. It was just a thought I had, I didn't really expect anyone to answer. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:51, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I made the change you suggested and posted to their talk page. Their last activity was 2024-02-18. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:15, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Another World: Adventures in Otherness ==<br />
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I think the title of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36129 all three] should be "Another World: A Science Fiction Anthology". What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:50, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best Horror Stories: XIX ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50782<br />
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the pages field for this one should be vii+366 {{Unsigned2| 08:41, February 22, 2024| Faustus}}<br />
:No, because intro starts on 15; only separate non-sequential numbering should be entered. I know some people do it otherwise, like a lot of DAW Books I've seen, but that's wrong, maybe not technically per ISFDB rules but still wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::i'll change it and let the mods decide {{Unsigned2| 09:00, February 22, 2024| Faustus}}<br />
:::I've asked them. Also, sign your messages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Our American King ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?316792 Our American King]. Afterr approving your edit, I removed 'bc' as a page number for the back cover artwork. From the help - "bc - back cover of a magazine which doesn't include the covers in its pagination." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:34, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vann Anson Lister ==<br />
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What's the point of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5886634 this submission]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:54, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There doesn't seem to be bio info for this author online and the Night Cry issue where one of their stories appeared is on Archive.org but there's no info there, either; I found that obit which identifies him as a "son" so I decided to add it. Knowing something is better than nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Frankenstein ==<br />
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Shouldn't [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?470918 this one] be a CHAPBOOK like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1850634 the others]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Best American Fantasy 2 ==<br />
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Re; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5889256 this submission]. If I approve this, the preface will have the identical title as in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256634 Best American Fantasy]. Resubmit adding the appropriate disambiguation. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
: Why not correct this, instead of trolling the new approvals. Give [[User talk:TomLucas|Tom Luscas]] a chance to communicate before you jump into the thread. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:21, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::There's no trolling, in order to do that I'd actually have to care about any of this, I just regularly check the "recent changes" page, saw an unusual title, typed it on the Archive and there it was so, as I've done thousands and thousands of times before, I improved a record by adding info or fixing incorrect info that previous editors added. It's unlikely any of you or Mr. Lucas would ever have done that, especially since he entered his own book with the wrong number of pages and no price even though both would be obvious by actually looking at a copy which he must own since he PV it; he also seemingly didn't know the difference between a PB and a TP or that ISBN-13 have been used for all books since 2007 which is 5 years before his book was published. It's the usual case where a writer just wants to get their book(s) noticed and/or sell some more copies but doesn't care much about actually entering them correctly. One of you could probably improve on my edit after it's approved because contents page has a "i" for the first page but there is none on the page itself and it doesn't even have the same title + there's a credit for photography on the copyright page but it doesn't specify what that means, possibly the author photo on the back or maybe there's some photos inside the book so if anyone thinks any of this should be entered or noted you can do that. Also, I don't have to answer anything right away. There are hundreds and hundreds of messages, mostly on Community Portal, where I asked for help, offered my help, or tried to get a discussion going and nobody ever answered. I looked at this American Fantasy thing recently and they both have the same title, as usual with these Prime Books or whichever shoddy Sean Wallace publishing imprint put them out they're a mess with wrong covers, titles that nobody online can agree on, books announced but never published, etc. I thought of asking about this on the Portal but didn't bother because it's just a waste of time; if you'd like to do something with it feel free, variant or merge or whatever. Once I'm done with an edit I move on and have a hard time remembering what I did before, like the 1,400 edits I have currently pending or whatever the number is now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:04, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Neither a variant nor merge would be correct. A quick glimpse at both texts reveal they are totally different. Thus we disambiguate. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:48, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Terrific. Also, I added pub. series to one of his other books which nobody noticed even though it's on the cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:54, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== H. P. Lovecraft's Book of the Supernatural: 20 Classics of the Macabre, Chosen by the Master of Horror Himself ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5780146 this submission] on hold as you gave no reason for the name change. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:05, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Halloweenland ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801753 this submission] on hold as you are changing the page numbers and haven't contacted the PV to make sure they are okay with that. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:39, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Since the guy hasn't responded to a message on his board for more than 3 years it's probably pointless but I'll do it, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Same with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801754 this one] as you are changing the punctuation of one of the stories in that volume. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Flights ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801924 this submission] on hold as the archive.org version is only available to those with disabilities and what they do show does not verify the change you are submitting. I don't see any attempt to contact the two PVs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Enter xiii in search box next to magnifying glass. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:59, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [The] Bokanalia [Memorial] Foundation ==<br />
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I have come across your submission wanting to change a publisher credit from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?53142 The Bokanalia Foundation] to "The Bokanalia Memorial Foundation". I did find a picture corroborating that [https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/flights-angel-life-legend-hannes-bok-4667422739 here]. I noticed everything under that publisher was entered and verified by one person (Bob). I am thinking that perhaps he was consistently mistaken with regard to the missing "Memorial". E.g., aside from the one you submitted a change for, I found pictures of [https://www.ebay.com/itm/235408653846 A Memorial Portfolio] showing a "Bokanalia Memorial Foundation" 1970 copyright. I also found [http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/2496/1266/1600/986771/Bok2text.jpg this picture] of a bulletin using "Bokanalia Memorial Foundation" and providing its mailing address. So I am considering renaming the publisher to either "The Bokanalia Memorial Foundation" or "Bokanalia Memorial Foundation". Alas, we have lost Bob, so we cannot ask him to review the credits. What do you think? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:15, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:I think "The Bokanalia Memorial Foundation" would be best. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Does it look ok to you to rename the publisher and have all the pubs use that? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:58, 8 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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== {{T|875023|Tales of Mystery and Revenge}} ==<br />
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How are we to know thet "Day of Vengeance" from 1948 was retitled as "The Bone Bead Necklace" for this collection?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:39, 18 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Archive.org had issues of The Saturday Evening Post which aren't there anymore. "Day of Vengeance" in the Apr 10, 1948 issue concerns a soldier in South Africa cursed by a witch doctor. Both men end up dying, but the curse is passed down over the years to the soldier's relatives. My not having a copy of Langley's 1950 collection makes it difficult to verify, but I find it hard to believe he wrote 2 stories about witch doctors cursing someone (especially since the Post story has an illustration on the 1st page of the witch doctor wearing a bone necklace). I guess someone with access to that 1948 issue and either the 1950 collection or its 1969 reprint (or Medley Macabre where the story was reprinted) will have to compare and verify. I see no mention on the web of these 2 stories being the same, so I'd be happy to be the first to notice this.[[User:Username|Username]]<br />
:: We definitely need more than just what you recollection is.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:04, 19 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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So on picclick.co.uk I discovered 1 copy of the 1950 edition, [https://picclick.co.uk/Tales-of-Mystery-and-Revenge-by-Noel-Langley-142458018002.html], and entered the page #'s on ISFDB, but noticed the acknowledgements mention 3 stories, "the Fall of the Fothergays", "Saint Wilbur", and "But a Good Cigar is a Smoke" are credited to the Saturday Evening Post. "...Fothergays" says on philsp.com it's from a 1947 issue of Woman's Journal and the other 2 stories don't have any info online verifying they're from the Post, so I think this bolsters my belief that he retitled some of his stories for book publication. I also found a weird PDF of the 1969 reprint, [http://www.sepel.uerj.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Tales-of-Mistery-and-Revenge-Noel-Langley.pdf], which has different page #'s (which I also entered on ISFDB) but the same acknowledgements. This was one of my very first edits and it still bothers me that I threw away my printout of the story from archive.org shortly before I became an editor, since the archived Post issues were taken down for some reason. There's a site, saturdayeveningpost.com, but they charge a membership fee. I'll have "Day of Vengeance" entered on ISFDB yet! --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:49, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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So I found this, [https://picclick.co.uk/Saturday-Evening-Post-April-10-1948-John-Atherton-174551293028.html]. Picture #2 shows the contents page with "Day of Vengeance" and Picture #11 shows a piece of the story on the right side. So that's proof of the story and some text for someone who has any of the books with "The Bone Bead Necklace" to compare and verify if they're the same. "Day of Vengeance" will be mine! --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:28, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Edits ==<br />
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We appreciate the information you are providing. However, instead of just submitting the info in the moderator notes, please feel free to make the necessary edits. If content needs to be added to a pub, you can edit the pub. If the same story appears under multiple titles, you can variant this to one another. There are links to the help in the welcome message above. Let us know if you have any questions ([[ISFDB:Help desk]] is a good resource for asking). We hope you will continue to contribute. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the advice. I variant titled Dat Tay Vao with Dat-Tay-Vao and Mrs Halfbooger's Basement with Mrs. Halfbooger's Basement since those 2 fixes were supposedly title-updated by you according to "My Recent Edits" but weren't actually changed at all. I figured out how to do them myself. However, both reported a Length Mismatch because the correct titles were classed as "short story" but the variants were not classed at all. I guess that's another fix I'll have to do myself for future titles. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Username|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::Sorry, about that. Looks like I hit approve instead of hold. I have been holding edits until I had a chance to make the change. I approved the variants and set the lengths on the variants. I also moved this conversation from my page over to here as, by convention, we keep conversations centralized as it makes it easier to follow. Thanks again for these contributions. I will continue to process the edits on hold. However, if you wish to do them yourselves, you can cancel the existing edit that is just a note and submit the actual change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:17, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Among the Pictures Are These: ==<br />
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As the ending colon seems likely a database typo, I have [[User_talk:SFJuggler#Among_the_Pictures_Are_These:|asked the verifier]] to double check. I will fix or variant based on the answer. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:04, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:It was a database typo and has been corrected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Stella Gibbons, a Writer and the Supernatural ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865069 This merge] would change the title in a verified pub. If you believe All Hallows #32, February 2003 used a comma instead of a subtitle (ISFDB separates subtitles from titles with a colon), you need to post at the verifiers talk page and ask them to double check. Verification means that the person has checked the record against the pub & verified it matches. It's not a perfect system as people are people and we all make errors, but ISFDB etiquette is to check with active verifiers. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== How Kank Thad Returned to Blur-Esh ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865426 This edit] will impact verified pubs. As one of the verifiers is active ([[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]]), you will need to check with them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 25 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4866416 this submission]: {{A|John Taylor}} is a UK author and {{A|John Alfred Taylor}} is a US author. They also have different birth dates. These do not seem to be the same person. Is there something I'm missing? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:37, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:I've separated out the stories per The Fiction Mags Index and other sources. There was actually a third author in there also. I've left a single story on {{A|John Taylor}} as I was unable to find anything on that one. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:10, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:: That one story I traced to [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 John Alfred Taylor].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:53, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Sorry, that was actually an essay, I'll revert it.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:56, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: We better ask the primary verifiers of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98895 Beyond this Horizon] if the two Taylor entries in this book are by the same John Taylor. Contento has them both as by John Alfred Taylor, BTW.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Good idea. [[User_talk:Stonecreek#John_Taylor|Done]] --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:16, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Stonecreek reports that there is no biographical information in ''Beyond This Horizon'', but the context makes it more likely it was the UK physicist. I have added title notes to document that. Best we can do, I think. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:44, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The W.W. II Pistol ==<br />
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I merged "The W. W. II Pistol" to "The W.W. II Pistol" as the primary verifier is no longer active to ask and the Amazon Look Inside for the verified version shows it without the space. As for first appearances, you can update the date and add a note to title records that appear in verified pubs without asking the verifier. It is only if you change the title or the author credit that verification becomes an issue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:32, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== David Byron ==<br />
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Given this is a common name, do you know if all the titles at {{A|David Byron}} are from the same person? I would like to ensure we don't have multiple people here before updating. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:59, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Plagiarism ==<br />
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Hi, If you feel -rather: if you can prove- that a given story is a plagiarism, please enter that information -accompanied by links in the <a href="link">information</a> format- in the note field of that particular story and submit that, instead of starting a story in an author change request.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:17, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Username, when someone asks you a question (like above), please answer the question on the wiki. There are multiple moderators and when you put answers in the moderator notes, different people will be reading them which makes it very confusing. In fact, if you are not submitting a change (i.e. only have moderator notes), then it doesn't belong in a database submission. It would be better posted at the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Pseudonyms / alternate names ==<br />
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Hi, and a belated welcome. I processed your submissions related to alternate names for {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}. They were fine, but one gotcha to be aware of when working with alternate names: Simply establishing one exisiting name as an alternate of a canonical name is not enough to get the bibliographies organized appropriately. For each of the pseudonyms/alternates, you also need to go through the bibliography of titles credited using that name and make them variants of new titles credited to the canonical name. So, for example, where you made {{A|R. S. Connett}} an alternate name of {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}, the cover art title {{T|1296305|I'll Be Damned}} needed to be made a variant of a new parent title with all of the particulars identical, but the "R. S. Connett" credit replaced with "Robert Steven Connett". That gets {{T|2816878|this result}}. (If we already have a record for the same title credited to the canonical name, there is an option link to it instead of creating a new one.)<br />
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If the alternate name relationship already exists, you can tell which titles are missing the variant-to-canonical-parent because they are still visible by default on the alternate name's bibliography page. Once a variant is in place, they are hidden (you can see them by choosing the "View all titles published using this alternate name" link).<br />
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You can make the variants without waiting for the alternate name relationship establishment to be approved, so you can do them at the same time. It makes life easiest on the moderators if you first submit the alternate name edit and next submit the new variant(s) -- then it's easy to see what you're doing and is also easy to see that the moderator doesn't need to go add the variants.<br />
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I took care of these, so just something to keep in mind for the future. If you run into this situation again, give it a try, and if you need any help just ask. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:19, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt) spelling ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_update.cgi?4871401 submission] has been placed on hold. As the work "Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt)" is in a book that has [[User:Marc Kupper|a primary verifier]], what needs to happen is that you contact him and ask him to verify the spelling of the title in his copy of the work. I've asked Marc to comment here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:16, 6 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Removing first appearance notes ==<br />
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While these are not necessary, they confirm that what we have as a first appearance of a story is indeed its first and we are not missing earlier editions and/or appearances. So I would not remove them -- I am going to reject all of your edits that are trying to do that. I would not go and add that as a note but if someone had added it after doing the research for it, I will leave it in place. Thanks for the understanding. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:36, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Britannica Castle ==<br />
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I don't see why you need to variant this title. It is apparently a series, so the other similar titles may be different stories. Only if you know the contents of the stories do you need to worry about creating variants. Clearly, some of them are already variants; I guess I would accept what is already in the data base. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Horror: The Best of the Year ==<br />
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List the stories you know in the contents and the authors where you don't know the stories in the notes for the pub, with something like "The following authors are known (from what source) to have stories in the anthology, but the titles of their stories are unknown:<br />
". [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 21:00, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon images ==<br />
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When you use Amazon images, like that for "In Flagrant Delight", remove the part between the two underlines, eg. "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg" should be changed to "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL.jpg". I've corrected a couple for you. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:36, 12 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Importing content into The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to import content into ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784537 The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary]''. The collection is under a variant name, "Augustus Jessopp, D. D." whereas the stories you are importing are under the parent name "Augustus Jessopp". Unless each of the individual stories has a different byline on their title pages, the form of the author's name should match that of the collection. However, that situation is unusual. Let me know if that's actually the case. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Some ancient archived magazine from 1883 I found on Google lists the only story by Jessopp on ISFDB, "An Antiquary's Ghost Story", with the D.D. although ISFDB does not. The collection by him uses the D.D. on the cover so I suppose all stories should be under that name, too. Also, richarddalbyslibrary.com gives more info about this book including an introduction by J.A. Salmonson and a preface by the author.--[[User:Username|Username]] 11:07, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::That's all fine. We just need to have the version of each story reflect the author credit as it appears in the publication where you find it. So four stories you added need to have the author credit as "Augustus Jessopp, D. D.". This means that you can't import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?802837 this story], because the author credit lacks the "D.D.". What you want to do is just edit the publication adding all four stories manually with the correct credit. Then you need to make each of those stories a variant. For the one that we have without the "D.D.", you do that by Option 1 in the make variant tool and providing the title number of the parent version (802837). For the other three stories, you should use option 2 and create a new title with the parent name without the "D.D". This should also be done for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2753001 title record] for the collection itself. You can also add the Salmonson introduction, though if she is credited as "J. A.", it would be another variant situation as her canonical name is "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1180 Jessica Amanda Salmonson]". Please let me know if you need any help in creating these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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Turns out it's a good thing I didn't follow your instructions, not that I understood them anyway. I was going to just put a link in the book's notes to the page on richarddalbyslibrary.com so people could see the contents until I noticed the damn page has a completely different book title in the URL. Apparently that website is just as careless with info as many of the people who edit on ISFDB, who just lazily copy info they find on the web without double-checking other sources to make sure what they're entering is accurate. Searching for another page about the book, I found one on lwcurrey.com that revealed there's only 2 stories in the book and the other stuff is all articles about supernatural phenomena. So I will enter a note about all this in the record for this title.--[[User:Username|Username]] 18:26, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Foreward / Foreword ==<br />
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Hi, I got your meaning in the 2nd round -but it gave me a chance to correct the nine 'Foreword' entries as well.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:37, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sources ==<br />
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When adding details to an author like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?84861 William Castle], please note the sources you are using either by adding the site to the Web Pages (I added Wiki and IMDB as both confirm your data) or in the Moderator notes - it saves time when the verification is being done. Plus if you add them to the Web pages, people can see where the data came from without needing to go through the Edit history. While Wiki is usually a fast guess, sometimes the sources are more obscure (and as such harder to be found later). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Wikipedia and IMDB are almost as bad as Amazon when it comes to incorrect info, which is saying a lot, so I would never trust anything I read on those sites and copy info from them like so many other editors on here do. I find more reliable sources, usually in archive.org or other obscure places, and I don't link those sites because I have no idea if the site wants to be linked here or not, unlike "Wiki and IMDB" which everyone "borrows" info from.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: So what were your sources for this edit then? Data with no sources should be rejected. I will start doing that instead of trying to complete your incomplete updates. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Please note that, as is repeatedly emphasized in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]], editors should explain their sources in the Note field. In addition to the Note fields, which exist in all ISFDB record types (author records, publication records, title records, etc), we also use a number of other ways to indicate the sources of our bibliographic information: primary verifications, secondary verifications, External IDs.<br />
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::: Consider [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185757 this record], whose Note field reads "No publication date stated. The stated copyright date is 1966. Reginald-1 gives the publication year as 1971." It clearly explains what information is stated in the publication and what information was taken from a secondary source, in this case Reginald-1. (Certain old ISFDB records from before ca. 2006 do not state their sources; some of our editors are working on updating them as time permits.)<br />
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::: Please make sure to state your sources going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:02, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Transient verifications and formats ==<br />
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As a verification implies access to the book/magazine you are verifying and there is no note that you are working from a clipped/rebound copy [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819550 here], can you please fill in the format of the magazine? Especially for a transient verification - you may not have access to it later on. If you are working off complete scans or rebound magazine archive (so the format is harder to be determined), add a note to that effect to the publication so that is clear. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:42, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Naught But a Shadow ==<br />
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Fixed the format on your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819551 here]. "pb" is for American style paperbacks; all other paperbacks are "tp". A 5x8 inches paperback will always be a tp. The full help page is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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If that's what you think best, that's fine. I was basing it on the fact that every online mention of this book at reputable booksellers like Barnes & Noble refers to it as a paperback and not one calls it a trade paperback or tp except somebody selling a copy on eBay.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:49, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Please read the help page. “Pb” is used for mass market paperbacks. “Tp” is any other paperback. Don’t apply industry terms when we have the terms defined here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:58, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Subterrene: Tales from the Shadows ==<br />
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When adding books without ISBN, adding the ASIN makes it easier to know what we have (and less likely for a duplicate to be created). I added it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819552 here] and fixed the capitalization: we normalize titles and "from" is never capitalized unless it is the first word in a title or subtitle. Complete capitalization rules are [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Title here], section "Case".<br />
: A quick question - is not using the exact date a decision (you do not think Amazon has that right?) or just an oversight? Thanks for adding the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
I wouldn't trust info on Amazon if my life depended on it. Their dates are wrong very often, along with much else. A big portion of my work since I started here has been correcting info entered by other editors who lazily copy from Amazon (or locusmag.com or philsp.com or countless other places) without double-checking with other sources. Also, when I enter info often I go back and add more and correct my mistakes later, so not having certain info doesn't mean it won't be added eventually.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dates ==<br />
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I am not sure what you mean with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892390 this note]. When you are merging, the UI allows you to select which date to keep - defaulting always on the earliest. I had never seen it behaving differently and when I just merged, it picked up 1991 - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?896324 here]. But even if it did not, you can change that during the merging so was there a different problem with this merge? <br />
: If not, what browser and OS are you using? Maybe we have a HTML/JS issue somewhere... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: I've merged hundreds of these. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?9 Top ISFDB contributors (Title Merge)], you have merged 60 title records. Are you using multiple user names, by chance? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Upon merging titles recently often the KeepID column will have the date of first publication I didn't choose. I can't say why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I find it hard to believe it only happens to me, so maybe asking other editors would help. Perhaps the updates to the ISFDB software recently by 1 of the moderators (see: Community Portal) had something to do with it.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: The sections of the ISFDB software responsible for merging titles haven't been changed in a number of years. There have been no reports of inconsistent behavior, but it's always possible for a new browser-specific issue to pop up. Could you please specify which browser and operating system you are using? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew, March 1991 ==<br />
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Question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819554] - Archive has a lot more contents than you added. Is it out of scope? If so, there is a decision to be made. If we declare the magazine non-genre, then it does not get added. If we declare it genre (and it looks to me it is), then we can add the incomplete template so people know we need to get back to it and add it. <br />
PS: Careful with prices -- US$ is just $ (and added page numbers - if you rather not use the pages, add piped numbers for order (|1, |2 and so on) or a merge later on will move things around and the stories will show up in all kinds of weird order. Thanks for adding the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:14, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: And on the same magazine - why did it jump from being a UK one to being a US one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2728851 see the prices])? It seems like the covers have both prices so let's stick with one of them in the Price field (UK I would say -it seems more prominent) and add the other in the notes? It looks a bit sloppy otherwise :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
There are over a dozen issues of this magazine that have never been entered on ISFDB at all even though it ended its run in 1991. I found out "The Reploids" by Stephen King was never reprinted in any of his collections but searching online I found out it was reprinted in an issue of this magazine, but only 1 issue had ever been entered by someone on ISFDB, so I began the task of entering the issues myself, only including fiction because most of the non-fiction is outdated interviews. I entered the price in pounds and after moderator accepted my edit I saw they had changed the price to dollars for some reason. So if you have a problem with that speak to them and tell them not to change things without asking the editor if it's Ok with them.--[[User:Username|Username]] 08:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Nope. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892491 Here] is your submission. You were the one who added it in Dollars. I approved it, fixed the format and came to ask you why. No one can chan a submission - we can only approve and then edit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:10, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scott Connors/Scott Conners ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892595 this submission] solely based on the similar names and the story of the other author or is there something that confirms them as the same person? While it is indeed very likely that they are the same, the name is common enough to allow for ambiguity so a bit more proof is needed - we connect names only when we are sure they are the same. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:25, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893001 Sam Minier]? While the name is less common, I would still prefer a bit more data (listing somewhere? Bio somewhere?). I am more inclined to approve this one without any additional data than the other one but still... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
Scott Connors is a well-known expert on Clark Ashton Smith and has many non-fiction pieces on the subject, so the Conners record (which is not a story, it's an essay) which is about Smith is by the same guy, with his last name misspelled either in the original publication or by the person who entered the info here. The Minier name is the same person and philsp.com has the Sam Minier info under the Samuel Minier name.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:06, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Missing source ==<br />
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Please specify the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893507 this edit to Fiend]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:29, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The cover for Guy N. Smith's 1988 novel Fiend is the same as the cover for Year's Best Horror Stories: XIX and is actually titled "Fiend" in Les Edwards' 1990 collection, just like the cover by Edwards for Smith's 1989 novel Mania was re-used for 2 different horror best-of-the-year collections. When the title of the artwork matches the title of the book it came from, that's your source.--[[User:Username|Username]] 17:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And that is why we have "Moderator Notes" field on every record - so you post your sources and explanations there. And in the case of the cover art attribution, the source and attribution should also be always added to the publication note. I will reject your update so you can redo it and add the sources in Notes and allow (if you want) to add more notes to the Moderator notes (these will be visible if someone checks the publication history so they become attached to the book if anyone wonders later how the artist was determined) while the Notes field itself is visible without digging and even for non-logged in users. Thanks for finding this one and let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A little trick with magazines ==<br />
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You do not need to rename and change the date of the EDITOR record before it is merged with its yearly record (as long as an yearly record already exists for this year) - you can use either "Show All Titles" from the editor's author page (for not very active editors) or Advanced Search -> Titles with the exact titles and with "or" and merge directly from one of those screens (make sure you select the date with 00-00 - the site has preference to exact dates within the same year so it will pick the date with a date or month specified by default). Most moderators will merge for you once they approve a rename (as I just did) but that makes it a single step so it does not get missed. Rename and merge is not a problem of course - but less steps makes it less likely for things to get wrong sometimes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Night the Lights Went Out in Arkham ==<br />
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I've rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4894790 this submission] because we don't link to cover images in the website field. That field is only for sites ''about'' the publication, not for cover image links. For the cover image, you can download it to your computer, and then upload it by following the directions on [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki|this page]]. I've done that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?762067 this publication] (including the price). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream ==<br />
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Hello my friends. So I was taking a look at this magazine which only ran for 3 issues in 2005. The second issue was only partially filled, so I checked to see if the remaining fiction was on ISFDB. 1 story was there so I imported it, "Suitcase Sam" (although date needed to be changed to magazine's date), but another story was there under a most likely mistakenly entered title. Wrath James White's story in Red Scream, "Razor Blade Fuck Toy", shows a 2014 date on ISFDB and the title "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2019310", and was translated as "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2018926" for a 2016 German anthology and reprinted in a 2017 German collection of White's stories. The 2014 date is because it was included in an English-language collection of White's stories, Cupid in Bondage, that's not on ISFDB. The thing is, that German title roughly translates as "Sex Plaything", which seems more like a translation of the original title in Red Scream. I suppose it's possible he wrote a sequel to the original story, but I doubt it. Not being familiar at all with White's work, I humbly ask someone out there who is to help sort this out. If it turns out they're the same story, I can import it into the magazine's contents and then never have to look at those creepy Red Scream covers again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:16, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Over All ==<br />
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I approved you submission for changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1252537 Over All]. I varianted the author's name to the canonical form and yes, I flagged the story as graphic format. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 13:27, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Incomplete ==<br />
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When the contents of a book is incomplete, please use the template <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> and not some made up string. This way the magazine/book will show up on the incomplete report and if someone has the time and/or the inclination to, they can complete it. The list of all supported templates is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427466 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:05, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't put "Contents incomplete" in the notes because I wanted someone else to complete the record. I put it there to remind myself it wasn't finished yet. 1 of the stories, "Scoop", was in an issue of Fantasy Tales but wasn't on ISFDB, which I found odd, and it turns out it's because Samantha Lee's name was misspelled as Amanda Lee, even though a moderator had verified that issue nearly 10 years ago. Nobody noticed that mistake until I did just now. Also, 1 story was published in 2002 under a different name so I still needed to variant the title. Also, several stories were published in women's mags and thus needed notes entered by me to say where they were first published. Also, a couple of story titles in the collection differed slightly from their original titles, so I needed to mention that in the notes. I don't just enter stuff, I actually try to do it properly. In the future I won't put any "contents incomplete" in notes so no one will be bothered entering it themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:29, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Understood but things happen. You may need to walk away - and then forget when you are back. Or the approval may take awhile. So just use the template so in case you do not come back to it, someone else can. :) That's why we have the template - way too many "I will be back to finish it" cases that never got finished. Don't be surprised if a moderator adds the template on an incomplete edit though - once a story is added, it is the only thing that differentiates an incomplete contents from complete one.<br />
:: As for the author name - discuss the author name change with the PV - if it is credited with a different name in the magazine, it will be approved. If the typo is in the magazine, we will need to variant instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scoop ==<br />
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Please discuss [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4901012 this change] with the PV as per ISFDB policy. As we go by the credit in the magazine, unless you have a magazine at hand or a scan that can show the spelling, we need to check where the typo is - in our DB or in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:47, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Well, there's the fact that her name is spelled properly as Samantha Lee on the front and back cover, and in the contents: [https://archive.org/details/fantasytales20000unse]. The typo's in our DB. God bless --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: All 3 are irrelevant if it is misspelled on the title page of the story itself. :) Do you happen to have a scan of that? Check with Bob - he probably can pull the magazine and check it. It is most likely a misspelling here indeed but stranger things had happened so we try to double check before we "fix" things. If there was no active PV, I would approve and add a note in the publication for the change. With an active PV, we may have access to the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: I also encountered a few cases where the author's name or the title proper did differ on the cover, the table of contents and/or the beginning page, and a fraction of them did make it to spell it only on the beginning page different (supposedly erroneous). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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This link, [https://books.google.com/books/about/Fantasy_Tales_5.html?id=VyafBAAAQBAJ], gives you 2 copies of this issue, including 1 with a limited preview. Clicking on "Scoop" by SAMANTHA Lee in the contents takes you to the title page of the story where you can see that the author is SAMANTHA Lee. Her name is spelled properly everywhere in this issue. The AMANDA Lee name on ISFDB was just a case of a previous editor entering the wrong name. When my name change edit is confirmed by a moderator don't forget to import "Scoop" into SAMANTHA Lee's collection Worse Things Than Spiders. All hail --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:51, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: You know, it took a few minutes to ask the PV and get an [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Fantasy_Tales_V12n5.2C_Autumn_1990 answer]. Update approved. Feel free to import it anywhere it needs to go. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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The only reason to ask the PV is if I was unable to see a copy of the work in question. There are multiple copies online including the one I linked on Google Books which proved that the name on the title page was really Samantha. I only bother other people when I can't see the evidence for myself, which didn't apply in this case. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:28, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:You should always check with the PV when possible. There may be some cases where they have an undeclared variant copy where the mistake is present, which may differ from the copy you have (in which case, we'd need to make sure both were documented here). Unless they are no longer active, always check with the PV. Always. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Decadence ==<br />
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If you have the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295007 this one], please add the page place numbers (preceded with |) so the stories are properly ordered in our listing. The ones that were already there have the page orders already, just the ones you just added still need them :) And if by any chance there are real pages numbers, we can use that on all stories of course. Meanwhile I cleaned up the list of authors with unknown stories in the note and added incomplete to make sure we keep track of the missing story. Thanks for adding some of the missing stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:15, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Language ==<br />
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Please refrain from using expletives and other coarse language when posting and submitting on ISFDB. It may be normal language for you, but it can create an uncomfortable atmosphere when working with other editors here. There are people from many different backgrounds on ISFDB, and we need to make sure we are considerate in how we interact with them. Please keep your language professional. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:39, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBNs for books after December 31, 2006 ==<br />
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Please be sure to use ISBN-13s for books published after December 31, 2006. If you only have an ISBN-10, you can use [https://www.isbn.org/ISBN_converter this handy ISBN converter] to find the ISBN-13. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:11, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== El Hijo de las Tinieblas ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4906675 this submission], what was the reason for the significant changes you submitted? There was no note explaining why you were changing the publication dates from 2013 to 1992. That's a huge change, so an explanation is needed. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:15, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:[https://tercerafundacion.net/biblioteca/ver/ficha/1616]; exact date from bookdepository.com; it's a trade paperback, not a paperback as I originally thought. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:18, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Are there, perhaps, two different printings? One in 1992 and one in 2013? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:33, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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All copies on AbeBooks are 1992. The book's publisher, Martinez Roca, ends in 1998 on ISFDB, except for 1 stray literary novel in 2007, so it's unlikely they decided to reprint a cheesy horror novel from 1990 in 2013. It's probably just the usual editor's copy and paste error without checking other sources to verify the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:45, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Okay, thanks. Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:37, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Disambiguating author and publisher names ==<br />
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When disambiguating these, please follow these guidelines:<br />
*For the most established one (usually meaning they have the most work, or are the oldest company), leave the name as is.<br />
*For the other people or publishers with the same name, disambiguate them using a Roman numeral in parentheses. For example, we have three publishers with the name "Catalyst Press": [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6451 Catalyst Press], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74316 Catalyst Press (I)], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74317 Catalyst Press (II)].<br />
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If you do this, the database will automatically add a line at the top of the listing (whether for a person or a publisher) with links to any others with the same base name: "Note: There are other publishers with the same name: Catalyst Press, Catalyst Press (I)". Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:42, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Offspring ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/darkoffspring00newy] Found this anthology which is completely empty on ISFDB was uploaded to archive.org back in 2010. I entered price, cover artist and introduction, but limited preview cuts the second page of stories off. Anyone with an account on archive.org can now enter into ISFDB the contents of this rare book which aren't listed anywhere online as far as I'm aware. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:31, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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I entered them myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Squad D ==<br />
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So this story, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46121], written in the 1970's, was never included in any of Stephen King's collections and didn't get published until Richard Chizmar's anthology Shivers VIII in 2019, which was oddly published in Germany first. The problem is there's only 1 library with 2 copies of the book on Worldcat, so distribution seems to have been a problem. Scribd.com offers it as a standalone story but requires you to sign up to read the whole thing. However, I discovered if you click the cached version on Google it gives you the whole story. Oddly, the regular website's cached version is a mess of garbled text, while this version, [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RFGP0YSYP1cJ:https://pt.scribd.com/document/23283543/Squad-D&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0], seems to display it properly. So here's an opportunity to read this rare story. I wonder whether I should add that link to the "Squad D" ISFDB record. Any thoughts? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:34, 11 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream - 2005 edit ==<br />
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Hi. I had to hard-reject your Red Scream - 2005 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4909155 submission] because that title record is no longer present. It was most likely merged with something else (probably [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424596 this]) after you submitted it, and the merge was accepted first. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:18, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" / "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets" ==<br />
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Hi. When changing the text of a title, keep in mind that the change affects all publications where the title appears. In the case of your "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" -> "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets", while it is "Regrets" in ''Terminal Frights'', it is "Merci" in ''Deathrealm #28'', so the fix-up needs to be done differently. First, we need to unmerge the title for the publication where it is incorrect, then we need to fix that instance. In researching this, I found they are not the same work, but rather "Regrets" is the sequel to "Merci". See [https://www.amazon.com/INTERMUSINGS-David-Niall-Wilson-ebook/dp/B0084V61ZA this]. So I am going to reject your submission and then separate the two and fix up the one in ''Terminal Frights''. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:25, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:This is done. See now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?83544 La Belle Dame Sans Merci] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2834399 La Belle Dame Sans Regrets]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:12, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publication (or title) web pages ==<br />
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When updating web pages for a publication or title, please don't remove current links (as you did for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823713 this one]). Instead, click the "+" button next to ''Web Page 1'' and add a second web page. This helps prevent possible loss of information. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:31, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm the one who entered that Phantasm anthology recently and found that archived page, then I found an Angelfire page still on Google with much the same info, so I replaced it. Always better to use a still extant page rather than an archived one, but if both are acceptable, then both it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:51, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::There's not really a limit on the number of webpages that can be entered, so having two is usually better. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:15, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Temple Servant and Other Stories ==<br />
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I've put on hold your edit to replace the Note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2056411 this pub]: "After Morrough's name on the title page is (Abu Nadaar); this is the pen name used when some of these stories were first published in magazines, primarily The New Statesman and London Mercury.". Replacing the note would remove the information about Moreau's other pseudonym "Abu Nadaar", and we currently don't carry that info anywhere else, so I'd suggest adding your new note to it rather than replacing it. Alternatively, so that it's no lost an appropriate place for this info would also be to add a Note to Morrough's biblio page, which you can do by clicking 'Edit Author Data'. You could also add a Note to the Title data for each relevant story, mentioning that it was originally published by as by "Abu Nadaar" in whichever magazine/newspaper it appeared, if you have that information. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:42, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The verbatim note from The Temple Servant should be entered on ISFDB under that book's record but my note about "Abu Nadaar" can be entered under Morrough's name as "He published some stories under the pen name Abu Nadaar". Info is sketchy since some stories were published as by Nadaar and then reprinted as by Morrough in many old and hard-to-verify publications so a note will suffice. It's not anything major since there's many sites all over the web with the info about his pseudonym. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:34, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks, done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 14:37, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Artist credit + notes/sources -- ''City Jitters'' ==<br />
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Hi. When you add an artist credit, such as you did for {{P|278761|City Jitters}}, you should identify the source. If it's in the book and you are Primary Verifier, then it's ok not to say anything (although it is helpful to state the form of the credit, even in that case). But if you don't have the book, the secondary source used for the credit should be noted. In researching the submission, I found the art on Les Edwards' [http://www.lesedwards.com/galleries/vintage/city-jitters/1097 website], so I accepted it and added the webpage link in the title record. Please take a moment to add your source to the pub notes, though, or one of us can add a note about its appearing on his site, if you'd rather. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:13, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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See here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887726]. The City Jitters cover is the parent of all these covers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:18, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the pointer. I made the variant and added a note about the secondary sources to the pub. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Tales: Volume III ==<br />
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Can you please share your source for the "bound by Biddles in black wibalin cloth stamped in copper" note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?317426 here]? I also fixed the title - we add a : before subtitles (and as the title page is visible on the publisher site, it is very obviously a subtitle indeed) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question and note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296408 Volume 2]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:12, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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That note was already there; I added the title change with Volume being added to the title for all Strange Tales (except Volume V where they just called it Strange Tales V). I don't know what Biddles or wibalin even are nor is that the kind of info I usually add anyway; some previous editor did all that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:08, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Oops, sorry about that - not sure why I decided the latest update changed these - I think I mixed up notes somewhere. Thanks for fixing these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:30, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Jason Lives: Friday the 13th, Part IV ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931475 this submission: The cover does not really matter - if the title page says IV, that's what we use - and we add a note explaining the discrepancy. It is most likely a typo in the DB BUT as there is an active Primary verifier, please discuss with them before you change a title. Thanks! I will keep the submission on hold until you clarify the matter with the PV. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:16, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives is a film that came out in 1986 and this was the novelization; here is a webpage, [https://www.ebay.com/p/1359743], with a VI on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:12, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There is an active PV. They may be holding a book with a mistake on the title page in which case we will want to keep a record of both. The whole point of the primary verification is that someone has a book in hand. Please discuss the change with him. We work as a team here - which means that if there is an active PV who can check the book they verified, we ensure that we do not lose data or a weird variant... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Castle of Lost Souls ==<br />
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Do you plan on adding the first edition for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931465 this]? If not, there needs to be added a note to the title record explaining the earlier date (or it will be re-dated again once it pops up on a report for dates mismatch). If yes, I will approve it so you can add the first edition. This is the kind of information that needs to be in the moderator notes so we know how to proceed :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:19, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Previous editor entered American publisher but used cover of original British edition, said format was tp when it was actually pb, entered wrong price, etc. I added all proper info for American edition; anyone who wants to enter original British edition can do so if they can find correct info; the cover that I replaced I'm assuming is the British one. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Which is ok. But I asked if you plan to add the British edition now that you sorted out the American one? If not, we need a note about the provenance of the date on the title record. I assume this is a no so I will approve and finish your edit by adding the needed note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Done. The note is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27670 here]. This will ensure that the title does not re-dated to match its only edition (we have a report on that and it will get redated without a note sooner or later - thus the questions above). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:27, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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Here's something I just noticed while sorting this out; the price previous editor entered, $2.95, was technically correct because the cover for the American edition available on Amazon says so. However, [https://gamebooks.org/Item/42/Show] clearly shows a cover with $2.50 as the price but the same ISBN so I assume that's the original edition. What printing the $2.95 version was is anyone's guess since they reprinted these gamebooks endlessly. Another slight difference is the $2.50 cover says "A Berkley/Pacer book" while the $2.95 one only says "Berkley/Pacer". So my record for the American edition will be correct if common $2.95 cover I carelessly added is replaced with rare $2.50 cover to match price on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Sounds like a later printing then. In such case, clone the 2.50 book to add a new 2.95 one, add "Unknown later printing" in the notes and date of 0000-00-00 and a note on how exactly the publisher is credited (the Publisher field will have the same value). Then we have both covers and both prices and if someone every finds the 2.95 book, we can get more details about it. I do not like stubs when we have a choice but a stub record is better than none and we know the 2.95 exists - so let's start building it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Case of Need ==<br />
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The only source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934934 this book] is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Case_of_Need Wikipedia]. There is no price in the source. Where is the price coming from? We need to add the source of it to the notes. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:22, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.biblio.com/book-collecting/by-year/mystery-books/1960-1969]; [http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/447768635/]<br />
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:: Approved and updated the notes to indicate the source. Please add source notes for any piece of information you add that is not from a book you are verifying. That minimizes the chance of mistakes and ensures that our data is properly sourced. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:23, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Long After Dark ==<br />
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Changing the date alone like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935202 this] is not that helpful. Someone is just going to come along later and change it back thinking it's an error since it doesn't match the pubs and there is no other data provided. At a minimum, please provide a title note stating something like "Originally published in 2010 as a limited edition hardcover". But better, enter the missing edition so we actually have a record for it. See {{P|827946|here}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:42, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I come across records all the time which have 1 or more editions entered but the date at the top is earlier than any of them, but there's no note mentioning anything about it. I've created several records for original editions because the whole book is on archive.org or elsewhere, but those Delirium hardcover limited editions are rare as heck so I don't feel comfortable entering an entire record based on a few pictures and possibly inaccurate info from sellers on eBay. Entering an earlier date just lets people know there was one; if anyone owns a copy they can enter specific info on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:50, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The existence of problematic records does not mean we should create more. Title dates should match the first publication in the database or have information provided. We have a cleanup report to catch and fix them, but there is a lot of stuff to do on the database. It is easy enough to add a title explaining why there is an earlier date. And given your tendency to complain about "lazy editors", I am surprised you would object to doing so. As for eBay, when it has a picture of the title and copyright pages, that is more than sufficient to create the stub pub record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:31, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The King of America ==<br />
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What is the source for the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937228 here]? Unless you really enjoy needing to answer on your Talk page, you can start adding notes inside of the notes field: "Price from cover/newspaper records/wherever applies" showing where you found the price". If it is the cover here, it is so blurry that it is not visible so... <br />
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If you do not start adding notes, all requests like this one will end up in the same way - with someone asking you for source, you responding, then someone approving and then editing to add a note... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf] is where. I enter a mountain of info on ISFDB at a rapid pace and don't enter anything unless I'm sure; I also go back over my previous approved edits and find new info I didn't enter/fix occasional mistakes. The price isn't blurry if you go to that PDF and magnify to 500%, then it's clear. Among my many different areas of interest since I became an editor is fixing/adding info for all these "adult" novels. Whichever editors entered info over the many years before I started left out many easily found covers, different editions, Catalog ID #'s, prices, etc. and made many mistakes which I'm fixing. It's a tangled mess but I'm doing my usual good job. What I find interesting is many entries have no notes for anything that was entered or where they found the info. So asking me to verify how I discovered the price for a 50-year-old porn novel is amusing. If you want to enter the fact that the price was verified by magnifying a photo on a porn PDF, feel free. Reading through these message boards and seeing the childish arguing and name-calling between moderators and other editors is not my thing. I'm all about the books. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:23, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have no issues with you being right. But all of this information that is wrong was added by someone who thought they were right - possibly from a faulty source, possibly by making a mistake while copying. It is a community effort - in a DB of your own, your word is enough; here we try to verify. Thus the "please list your sources in the notes". That way someone can verify later on - and 5 years from now we do not have someone else in the same boat you are in now - looking at data which we may have as well invented because there is no information where it comes from. Had this rule (list your sources unless you are PVing -- when the source is the book) been followed consistently through the years, we would not have that much to fix now. As you had seen, the older the record, the more likely it is that there are no sources at all... Allowing more of the information to go in the DB without sources multiplies the problems. So we are trying to ensure that we have sources now - for everything.<br />
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:: Catalog ID is a new field - it did not exist until ~5 years ago. There are a few more of these fields on the page - so unless the editor bothered to add the info into the notes, there was no space for the information. The covers are now easy to find, 15 years ago it was not that easy :) Some of these records are really really old. <br />
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:: I will be very honest here - if you do not add notes and just keep submitting edits with no sources, it increases the time for a moderator to process your edit (because they need to come ask you or do all the digging you did on their own, eventually finding the same and then approve and update after you) so your submissions will get backed up more and more. The cleaner and more complete your edits are, the easier to process, the faster they will get cleared. If all you care is the data and the books, I expect that you would like to ensure that the data is actually sourced properly so someone does not undo your work based on what they consider a definitive source (which disagrees with what you added)? :) <br />
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:: I will approve and fix the note for this one now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:40, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?601551 done]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:44, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== In Flagrant Delight ==<br />
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The price of the US edition was on the cover so I just updated the notes with that post approval but where is the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937063 the UK one] coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937180 Satyr Trek] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937182 The Erotic Spectacles] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937183 The Power and the Pain]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.amazon.com/Flagrant-Delight-Brian-McNaughton/dp/0700414800]; Satyr Trek's price is in upper right of front cover; [https://www.amazon.com/Erotic-Spectacles-Genghis-Cohen/dp/0700414703]; [https://www.amazon.com/power-pain-Charles-Platt/dp/0700414207]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated on all of these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Frankenstein '69 ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937067 this one].<br />
* The ISBN is incomplete. The correct one is 0700412603. Easy to fix BUT there was a bigger problem<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon.com] claims 1969 but [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon UK] says 1972. Amazon can be a real pain for older books like this one and their dates are anything but reliable especially on import editions. [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do?tabs=moreTab&ct=display&fn=search&doc=BLL01002399343&indx=1&recIds=BLL01002399343&recIdxs=0&elementId=0&renderMode=poppedOut&displayMode=full&frbrVersion=&vid=BLVU1&dscnt=0&vl(freeText0)=0700412603&dstmp=1615839843736 The British library] agrees with Amazon UK. So does [https://www.worldcat.org/title/frankenstein-69/oclc/877216035 OCLC]. So I approved your submission but fixed the sources and the date. Please be careful with the Amazons - the US one is bad for UK dates and vice versa regardless of age (and the older the book, the less reliable they get).<br />
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The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828073 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:29, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: <nods head vigorously> At one point I spent a significant amount of time working with Amazon's pre-1995 records. Some of them were extremely precise, e.g. some 1960s records had the correct date of publication stated. Others were off by multiple years. I suspect that at some point Amazon imported multiple third party databases (of variable quality) into their main system. We have to be extra careful with their old data because there is no way of telling where this or that record originally came from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:37, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And it is even worse for data from across the pond (in either direction). The somewhat good news is that most of the books from the 60s and 70s have BL records in UK if they belong there and OCLC ones for both US and UK books so that can help figure things out... Goodreads can be also good but a lot of their data is imported from Amazon and not cleaned up later so some of it has the same issues as Amazon. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Night Fear ==<br />
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The only sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937275 this] are the various verifications and external IDs. None of these have the page numbers. We need a source for them. I know you have a link somewhere - can you please share? And we need to note if it is based on table of contents or based on checking each title page one by one (a lot of books have discrepancies). I will approve and update but I need to know where these numbers are coming from... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:16, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.deadsouls.co.nz/shop/roy-torgeson-ed-frank-belknap-long-night-fear/]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:17, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If God Wanted Us to Travel ... ==<br />
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Source for the month in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936820 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:49, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936641 King, of the Khyber Rifles]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/ifgodwantedustot00bren]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
[http://www.locusmag.com/index/b347.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:07, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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== The Earthquake Machine ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the artist [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?454505 here] but next time can you please also update the note because they way you left the book was with an artist added, no source for the artist and a note inside that there is not credit in the book and that the signature is unreadable... which is a contradiction and throws into question both the notes and the artist credit. Fixed the note after approval. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:54, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Assault on a Queen ==<br />
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Can you be a bit more precise about the source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936723 here]? This is like saying "google it". :) Exact link will be helpful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:57, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/8325/jack-finney/assault-on-a-queen]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:04, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and a note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Alabaster Hand ==<br />
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Source for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935814 page numbers]? And if it is a scan of the contents page, we should be able to resolve the notes issue as well (on what is included from the introductions and so on)... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:19, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And for the intro and the limitation number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935790 Mist and Other Ghost Stories] and the complete contents in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935785 the import]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/a-n-l-munby-the-alabaster-hand-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-press-2013-25-300?variant=8795937276003]<br />
[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/richmal-crompton-mist-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-2015-limited-edition-265?variant=8885791916131]<br />
--[[User:Username|Username]] 01:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Her Magic Spell ==<br />
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I suspect that source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935862 this] is the cover as for the rest of these but as we do not have a cover, I need a visible source somewhere... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:27, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:10, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Satan ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935875 this price]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:42, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Astrosex ==<br />
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Month source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936301 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936303 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936304 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936305 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And a few more: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936306 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936307 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:55, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:18, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: These are approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Keeper of the Children ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936244 this edit]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936250 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Keeper-of-the-Children-by-William-H-Hallahan-233031460644.html]; [https://picclick.com/William-Hallahan-The-Search-For-Joseph-Tully-402035732963.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Halloween Horrors ==<br />
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Link to the contents page you unearthed for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936899 this]? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fantlab.ru/edition185627]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:26, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: External ID and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Masques ==<br />
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Source for the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828162 this one]? Fantlab does not have it (neither it have the back flap so I suspect you have the jacket somewhere and the price is from there?) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:28, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Bill-Pronzini-MASQUES-A-NOVEL-OF-401742298339.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added and external ID put in place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Surrounded ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936013 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:50, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And more of these: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936007 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936019 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 price?] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:09, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [https://archive.org/details/cinemaoffantasti00stei]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: In addition, you are a relatively new contributor, so moderators are more likely to make allowances, but eventually they will become less likely to work on your submissions, which will affect the approval time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unident) OK - that link cleared [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 Cinema of the Fantastic]. What about the other 4? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/faceoffearnove00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/surrounded00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/bloodrisk00coff_0]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And that leaves [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 The Sweat of Fear] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935960 originally] which got approved by mistake last night but I did not reverse as I am sure you have a source)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/sweatoffear00denn]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ALl updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Paul Durst 1986/1990 ==<br />
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Mysteryfile.com may say 1990, it also has a [http://mysteryfile.com/blog/?p=33611#comment-7081383 letter by his daughter] that states "My father actually was buried on the day the Challenger blew up in 1986 in January, I had come from the States to his funeral.".--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:15, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Odd; makes me wonder where they got 1990 from and why they didn't read that letter themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:26, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Rainbird Pattern ==<br />
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And the source for the price and the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940398 this one]? Also - looking at the cover, are you sure this artist has an artist credit and not just a designed credit (if the latter, he goes only in the notes). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:06, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The cover I provided has an openlibrary.org URL which is a project of Internet Archive, so a cover with their name in the URL usually links to a book on archive.org except when there's no copy available. That's where the price came from on the front flap and it also says "JACKET BY" Wendell Minor. It doesn't say design otherwise I wouldn't have entered it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:45, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: If you are using OpenLibrary for anything BUT the cover image, it needs to be noted in the Notes and in the external IDs. Plus tracking down the Open Library ID from the cover ID is as easy as finding the Amazon record from the Amazon cover IDs. If you cannot be bothered to post the link or the ID at least in the moderator notes and preferably in the proper places, you are asking the handling moderator to do all the research again - and your submissions will stay on the board for days and possibly weeks until someone has time to do all the work and verifications needed. If you start adding notes or at least all the links, it will go a lot smoother.<br />
:: In this case, the OL ID is OL4789610W which has absolutely nothing to do with the image ID: 10015820-L. You should not expect people to jump through 100 sites to find the correct books and images and sites you are using. <br />
:: Can you share where you saw the front flap? (Archive.org - got it. Will update) "Jacket By" means design usually on non-pictorial covers so I will change the notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: OK... [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/n1/mode/2up here is the book] on archive.org. Where exactly do you see "Jacket by Wendell Minor"? It is not on the copyright page, the title page on the front flap or the covers. And the back flap is not visible. Where did you see it? I may have missed it although I looked 3 times so can you point me to it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:10, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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As I explained in 1 of my previous successes, I found that if you use the search icon (magnifying glass) you can access anything in any book even if you don't have an account at archive.org. That's how I find so many things no one else can. If you type "jacket", it gives 9 entries, the last of which takes you to the BACK FLAP where it says "JACKET BY WENDELL MINOR". --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And you could have explained that in the notes. Again - unless you link to your sources (and/or explain where they are so they are easily found), you are asking someone to redo your work. Which someone will eventually - but it takes a lot longer than it should. The book itself does not contain the back flap UNTIL you search with a specific term. Figuring out the term and using it takes time and effort. It may be easy for you because you do it on every book but people are not in your head. In this case just posting the URL for the search [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/248/mode/2up?q=flap this one] with a (cover credit from backflap) note would have been enough. Takes about 2 seconds and saves the handling moderator of trying to connect the dots (and needing to ask you on every update). The more details you post in the notes/moderator notes, the easier it will be to work your submissions and the more likely is that they are not left on the board for long periods of time. Note updated! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:38, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tarzan of the Movies: A Pictorial History of More Than Fifty Years of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Legendary Hero ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940610 this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:46, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/tarzanofmovies00esso]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:05, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No flaps visible. Nor is the price inside of the book (copyright page or contents or any other visible pages). The search for flap, price, $ or exact price does not find it either. So where is the price coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:17, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tarzan-of-the-Movies-Hardcover-Book-1968-Gabe-Essoe-/293833386148]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:25, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note edited, source added in the moderator notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:29, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Harlot Killer ==<br />
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The cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940655 of our book] clearly shows 25 cents. The cover [https://picclick.com/The-Harlot-Killer-Jack-the-Ripper-essays-book-193627208436.html#&gid=1&pid=1 in your source] shows clearly 35 cents. Which will make your source a later unindentified printing (not all publishers are nice enough to enumerate printings on their copyright pages). I approved the change for the page numbers but pulled back the price change (and added a note for the provenance of the numbers) and cloned for the 0.35 copy. If you can find a cover for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828729 0.35 book], that will be useful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Typos in text fields ==<br />
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When you are correcting a typo in a text field such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940753 here], put in the moderator notes either the replacement (Frederic -> Fredric) or just the word you are fixing (typo: Frederic). That helps seeing the change quickly when reviewing your change and it also remains in the record moderator notes if someone wants to find out what you changed at some later point. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:27, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Exit to Eden ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940756 Price source?]: "price found many places online" is the same as saying "google it". Please point one place where you found it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:31, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/05/24/Books/3347485755200/]; [https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Exit-Eden-Rampling-Anne-Rice-Arbor/7744968713/bd]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 06:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Orphan ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940591 Price source?] If it is the cover by any chance, please provide a link to a better cover - there is something in the top right corner but this image is unreadable. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/774984696/the-orphan-by-samantha-mellors-published?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:19, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delectus Books ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940875 this]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:06, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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My previous edit on pending list for Delectus edition of Wolf in the Garden has a link to It Goes on the Shelf as explained in the note, which is where the address is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:25, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Different moderators can handle different edits. Each edit should have a source. I am not going to chase another note somewhere so please provide a source. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fanac.org/fanzines/IGOTS/igotsnew15.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:52, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated and year added to the note. Publishers move in 25 years so dating our addresses helps :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:18, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Of Pigs and Spiders ==<br />
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Not sure who you are talking to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940268 here] (you know that there is more than one moderator and only the one handling the submission usually sees the note, right?) but it would have taken a lot less time to actually link the sources you are using instead of complaining about a previous note. Please share your sources for all the changes you are making in this submission. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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It says locusmag.com in my note; that's where the info came from. I was responding to the usual rude, angry note from Dirk, who has been rude and angry since my start here last December. One of my very first edits was greeted with a rude reply from him, so it's nothing new. His rudeness spurred me to look for more info, which led me to locusmag.com and a bunch of new stuff which I entered here, so I thanked him for that. Sarcasm TRUMPs rudeness. I saw in another discussion he had with someone else that he was complaining about how much work he has to do and how ISFDB needs more moderators and how he was thinking of giving up and just reading a book instead, so maybe he's burnt out. I notice from their bios that many moderators here are seniors so perhaps younger, more enthusiastic moderators who are familiar with books written in the last 30 years are needed. If you really needed to know who I was talking to you could've looked at my rejected edits and seen his name there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:42, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Link to the exact place on the site you are using as source? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/t2.htm#A60]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:03, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The March date comes from Amazon.com (among other sources) - which may or may not be valid (1999 is old enough so I do not trust them too much on dates). Are we absolutely sure that this August release is not just the signed edition? Let me do some more digging before I approve to see if it seems like a single run of 333 was ever issued. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:28, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Teacher's Pet ==<br />
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The price is on the front flap. Where is the artist credited on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4941642 this one]? The back flap is not visible so if it is there, I need your search criteria that makes it visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/teacherspet00tayl]; search "jacket". --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old Australian currency (pre 14 February 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I altered the price to 4/9 and mentioned in the notes that the price is in Australian shillings and pences.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:47, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Starlog covers ==<br />
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Per ISFDB standards, we don't enter covers are cover credits for non-genre magazines unless the cover illustrates a speculative fiction story. I have started [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Starlog|a discussion]] on the community portal regarding the status of {{S|33627|Starlog}}. As it had a film focus and not a written speculative fiction focus, it would not seem to be considered genre by ISFDB standards. You are welcome to chime in there is you have an opinion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hands of Cain ==<br />
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Hi, regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4947992 The Hands of Cain]: Why 1976? especially when you want to assign a price of £0.25....Inflation was rampant in the UK during those days, so £0.25 for 1976 is definitely off. Would you like me to change the date to 0000-00-00, meaning 'unknown'?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:07, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Worldcat link gives year as 1976 and gives page count, so those can stay, but no price so just leave that blank. If anyone checks a physical copy, info can be updated. The unique cover for this edition is the main point of interest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:19, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Picclick.com / Contento in notes ==<br />
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Hi, picclick.com has no stable links, just like Contento/Fiction Mags Index, only worse: they go went the book is sold. Contento keeps adding content in between, so info keeps shifting page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:25, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Darkness ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953431 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Source is bright black .50 at top of cover, easily seen without magnifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:25, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: What may be easily visible for you on your monitor may not be the case for someone with vision issues or smaller/older screens. And images disappear - sometimes whole sites fall down, sometimes single images disappear due to mistakes or mishaps. This is why it is important to add notes explaining where the data is from in the Notes so even if someone cannot see the image for one reason or another, they can track the data (and check it on their copy if they have it). <br />
:: Approved and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:27, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Unfortunately, this is true even with Amazon-hosted images, especially more recently. Amazon used to preserve Web pages for superseded editions, but it irritated authors, publishers and readers alike, so eventually they changed their policy. I don't know how it works internally on their end, but I have seen images replaced after the fact. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:18, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: At least for now the /I/ images seem to stay stable - although you are right that Amazon is now updating the old pages on reissue and linking to a different /I/ image - making a mess of any old records. Although I worry sometimes that they may decide to start deleting /I/ images that are not connected anywhere anymore - they are a bookseller after all, historical covers don’t really interest them (although I hope the marketplace is enough of a reason for them not to delete them). We will cross that bridge when/if we get to it (one hopes it never happens). In all cases, adding text notes on where the data is exactly is important. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:36, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Adult Version of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951557 source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:56, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is top left cover where it says Calga Publishers; it's blurry but legible, and all other Calga books on ISFDB are under same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:20, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Roaring Tower and Other Short Stories ==<br />
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Sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951521 these changes]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:57, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: pages: https://www.worldcat.org/title/roaring-tower-and-other-short-stories/oclc/776781492; first library on Worldcat's page, NYPL, has info about stories' pub. history; price: https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1930-01-01/1939-12-31?basicsearch=%22stella%20gibbons%22&phrasesearch=stella%20gibbons&newspapertitle=the%2Bsphere (also, ISFDB says "Short Stories" in title but cover says "Stories"; title page needed to verify). --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: That leaves only "hc". Is that an assumption based on the cover and price? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:02, 7 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Shoal of Time ==<br />
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Which "Hamilton's 1972 collection" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4954164 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There's only 1 1972 collection on Hamilton's ISFDB page: FLIES ON THE WALL. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:13, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which does not necessarily mean that this is the only Hamilton 1972 collection - we keep finding editions and books even for authors we think we have everything cataloged for. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Flight ==<br />
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What is the source of the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952028 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:15, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is the price printed on the cover, left side; Amazon page allows you to magnify and it clearly says $2.25. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:16, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Exorcist cover artist ==<br />
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You submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952510 name change] for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055023 cover artist] for a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585356 primary-verified copy of a book], but you didn't contact the PV to verify the spelling of the cover artist. Please contact them to verify the spelling of the artist's name as found in the copy of the book they have. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV hasn't contributed since 2017. Also, ISBN-10 on ISFDB entered verbatim into openlibrary.org finds only a 1987 Bantam book named Sweeny's Honor, and entering it on Google verbatim brings up exactly 1 site, this one; entering it without dashes brings up a few pages of mostly Sweeny's Honor, but also a Worldcat page for the Exorcist and a Google Books Exorcist copy, plus sites that say "Sweeny's Honor" and "William Peter Blatty" together. So not only is artist name likely misspelled by the PV and art on this edition probably isn't even by him anyway but the ISBN is probably wrong or mixed up, too. So I've moved on to a hundred other things since I made this edit and now leave it up to you whether to do anything to correct these problems. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:That's not the way things work here. We are not here to do everything for you. While we appreciate your contributions, we need to to contribute things within the rules of the site. Please post a note about this to the PV's talk page, and (since you say they haven't contributed since 2017) to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. We can't be making changes just because you ''think'' the PV ''might'' have made a mistake. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Encyclopaedia of Horror ==<br />
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I approved your cover scan of this pub. Looking at the ISBN in bookfinder.com, most of the copies of the book for sale are in Europe and the sellers seem consistent in maintaining the given spelling of Encyclopaedia. The cover shown is the same as you proposed. I suspect that the book was published in both the U.S. and G.B., with the spelling depending on the country where published. Maybe the cover with the Brit spelling is available somewhere, but I haven't found it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:12, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Rootabaga Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960928 this submission]: When adding Internet Archive links, please ensure they are for the same edition and printing. The record you are editing is for the first printing, but the Internet Archive scan is of the fifth printing (as can be seen on the copyright page). You are welcome to clone the publication and make a record for the fifth printing. You can then add the Internet Archive link to that record. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: "By George, Kincaid, we we're right!" ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953361 your edit] on hold for a moment as I'm wondering if you can you confirm this isn't a typo in the magazine? If it is, it should stay as-is, and a note added to clarify.If you don't have a reference at hand, it's good practice to check in with the primary verifiers who can confirm. Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:42, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v31n10_1957-10_cape1736]; page 82 shows the correct spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:59, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Perfect! Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Ghosties and Ghoulies'' and ''Tomorrow, Inv.'' page numbers ==<br />
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Hi. What's the source of the page numbers for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Ghosties and Ghoulies'')? There's no comment, and you didn't make yourself a verifier. I don't see anything in any of the linked secondary sources. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Tomorrow, Inc.''). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition135000; https://fantlab.ru/edition267370. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources II ==<br />
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Hi. When you add data from a secondary source, be sure to adjust the publication notes to reflect the source of the data. Information in notes to the moderator is helpful to the person processing the submission, but those do not become part of the record itself. So, for example, while making the publication date on {{P|588303|Konga}} more specific based on the picture you found on picclick is fine -- and giving me a pointer in the moderator notes was indeed helpful -- the source still needs to be documented in the publication record. I have done that in this case, so just something to keep in mind for future submissions. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:00, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantlab ==<br />
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FYI, the "External IDs" feature (on publications) knows about Fantlab. So if you find a relevant entry on Fantlab, you can link to it using their edition number. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:26, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It's a Russian-language site, so as a proud American I don't feel comfortable linking to them; I enter info here for people to see. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: One thing to note is that we are a strictly bibliographic site. As such, we do not let our individual political, national, ethnic, ideological and other non-bibliographic preferences affect what we do here. Even our data acquisition robot, [[User:Fixer]], has reluctantly agreed not to pursue his AI supremacy agenda here :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:38, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Also, while they are a valuable source of info their quality control is awful (like many other sites); frequently info they write themselves is wrong, so I only enter info from actual photos of the books or if that's not possible I double-check their written info with at least 1 other site to make sure they got it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: You cannot have it both ways: If you are using them, you need to give them credit for the information (covers and/or data) and here, that means using the external ID and/or the templates (if you are using other edition's data). If you are not comfortable linking to them because of your nationality, then stop using them and stop plagiarizing their data with no attribution. <br />
:: This behavior is against the site's (Fantlab's) rules: "Любое использование материалов сайта допускается только с указанием активной ссылки на источник." which roughly translates as "Site materials can be used only if an active link to the source is included." If you are not willing to conform to their rules, you should NOT use any of their data. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It all comes down to the same basic principle which has been repeatedly mentioned on this Talk page and elsewhere -- we need to state our sources. When adding data from FantLab, OCLC or another secondary source, we need to mention which FantLab/OCLC/etc record number the data comes from.<br />
::: If you find that a particular secondary source is not always reliable and use another secondary source to double-check the data, that's perfectly fine, but it needs to be documented in Notes. For example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430831 this publication record], which says "Price stamped on the front flap of the original dust jacket as per Biblio.com and confirmed in Latrobe Bulletin." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:38, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Request about prices ==<br />
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Hello. I have a request. As you're doing very valuable work and, a.o., are adding missing prices, could you also add in the notes field the other currencies as well (if present of course). The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price rules text] says: <br><br />
''British books are often priced for several other commonwealth countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Malta, Gibraltar, South Africa, East Africa, Trinidad (W.I.), and countries with a significant English-speaking population such as Spain and the Republic of Ireland. '''These additional prices are usefully entered in notes'''. Some of these countries also have pre-decimal formats based on the British pound and post-decimal formats similar to Dollar prices, and some have changed yet again to € (Euro) prices. If in doubt, enter these in notes exactly as stated.''<br><br />
That would be really appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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And also, as MartyD already pointed out above, could you add sources to the notes (or in the weblink multifield, as appropriate). Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:20, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== She Waits ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4956535 your submission] on hold, as it says 'bad checksum' for the ISBN you updated, but you didn't provide a reference for us to check. Can you double-check and provide a reference here? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Upper right cover corner; I just checked https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/664652801/she-waits-by-henry-clement-1975-vintage, and there's a photo of the spine with the same ID, so if it's wrong it wouldn't be the first time a book had a bad ISBN; what the right one is, I don't know. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:05, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hi folks. I was just passing through and noticed this. The ID on the cover of that book is an SBN, not an ISBN, and the -125 at the end is actually the $1.25 price. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub#ISBN|EditPub help]] for a little bit about this situation. One could derive an ISBN from it by adding the leading 0, dropping the price, and adding the missing checksum -- 2 in this case -- ending up with 0-445-00283-2. A favorite site of mine for ISBN analysis is https://www.isbn-check.com/ . Whether that is correct/appropriate or not, I don't know, but [https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0445002832/ Amazon agrees]. Current policy allows use of the derived ISBN on the record, with a note citing the fact that it's derived and providing the stated SBN. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:30, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks Marty. Approved & fixed the ISBN per Marty's explanation. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:42, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Is your caps lock stuck? ==<br />
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Please do not shout in notes (moderator ones and even more importantly the publication notes). <br />
Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375229 here]. Also please add in the note where in the book you find some information. Saying "PRICE FROM COPY ON INTERNET ARCHIVE" can mean anything from proper price to a sticker or a note somewhere. Specifying that the price is on the front flap allows a user to find it in their copy. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did that so info I add stands out from other info; when I revisit records to fix or add (as I do constantly) it helps to know what's mine. I've already done about a dozen edits this morning, but if it annoys you future edits will have lowercase letters. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:02, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: This is a public database, not your private sandbox. Shouting in any notes (or the wiki pages) is not acceptable. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:29, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If It Had Happened Otherwise ==<br />
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When you post the source as [https://picclick.com/If-It-Happened-Otherwise-edited-by-JCSquire-124248007500.html this link] and nothing more, there are 12 images and some text on this page. If the handling moderator knows where to look, the front flap image is an obvious target. However, not everyone does (or had seen the site before) so it can take a long time to look through all of the images and find what you had seen there (and you can even miss it on a first pass if you do not know where it is supposed to be - some of these angled images can be a pain). <br />
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If you add "image 4" to the link in your moderator note and inside of your publication note you state "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy in picclick.com)" or "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy online)", that saves time for the processing moderator AND they do not need to rewrite your note. See how it looks [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381932 now] compared to your "PRICE FROM COPY ON PICCLICK.". Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:55, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Username, this has been a recurring issue with your submissions and is becoming a problem for ISFDB moderators. Keep in mind that we process anywhere from 350,000 to 450,000+ submissions per year. If moderators had to spend as much time on researching every submission as they spend on your submissions, the approval process would slow down to a crawl. This is unacceptable. At this rate many moderators may simply stop working on your submissions since their time would be better spent elsewhere. In addition, the current situation wastes your time since moderators frequently ask you to clarify your sources. All of the above can be easily fixed by explicitly stating where the information comes from in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:13, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Currently I have 250 or so edits awaiting approval. Many are cover images which don't require any notes so those are ready and waiting to be approved. As I explained somewhere here not long ago, the reason I leave info in moderator notes is firstly because when moderator checks they may find I made an error (although that rarely happens), and secondly because info that's entered in notes is not read by most people who use ISFDB, according to everything I've read on message boards; people mainly use it to find covers for old books they remember reading in their youth or to find where stories are, since many people request fiction from old mags and books through interlibrary loan and need to know exactly what pages to request (I've done that many times myself). --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: The ISFDB has tens of thousands of users and dozens of major contributors. They are all interested in somewhat different aspects of our data: individual authors, early pulps, works in certain languages, art, etc. If you want to concentrate on the types of data that is of interest to a certain subset of ISFDB users, e.g. the readers of certain message boards who wants to see old book covers, that's great. However, all submissions should meet a minimum set of standards, including stating where the data comes from. As I indicated below, this is non-negotiable. We make allowances for new editors who are still learning the ropes, but you have created over 4,000 submissions and have been repeatedly informed about this issue, so you are well past that point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Although I have found many rare books and entered much info not found on any other sites, a large part of my time here is entering hundreds (thousands?) of missing covers and entering page #'s/verifying story titles, because I know that's what most of the people out there want. Going forward I think I will concentrate mainly on adding more covers and page #'s/corrected titles, since adding missing hardcover prices from their flaps or exact month of publication from copyright pages or whatever else requires adding note minutiae I'm not good at, obviously. Also, I think I shall return to what I originally was best at, the finding of rare stuff nobody else can. If I do the occasional edit from now on that requires notes, I'll remember to add them myself so no moderators will be upset. While we're all making suggestions here, let me take this opportunity to make some of my own. When approving my edits, moderators should try to start from the bottom and work their way up. They often approve at random and miss my notes from a prior edit related to a later one. Also, I've made dozens of entries spread out on all the wikis (Community, Help, Moderator, Verification) with many questions/interesting info/requests, etc. A few have been answered, sometimes helpfully, but most have gotten no responses, so let's get some. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Questions and observations about specific bibliographic topics may or may not be answered or commented upon depending on whether we have active editors knowledgeable about the raised topic and on whether they have the time to do additional research. Sometimes it takes weeks or months before another editor chimes in and provides additional information. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:48, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Let's all try to stop criticizing unpaid volunteers and concentrate on literature, shall we? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I'd like to chime in here. First (to get it out of the way), it's not because notes aren't read by most people that they shouldn't be entered - after all, there ''are'' people interested in knowing the source of the information available on ISFDB. That said, and as I've expressed earlier, you're doing a fine job of unearthing missing data. And it would make a hell of a lot of difference for us moderators (and for you too, since your submissions would be processed much faster) if you would add notes for us and other users along the lines Annie clarified above. It may get some used to, but I can't imagine that that would be an unsurmountable problem - at least from my perspective a win-win. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:17, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Sellers (I) ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962654 this update]. There is not a single site listed OR a moderator note. Considering that this was sent in the last few minutes after you were reminded about the rules again, this looks like a deliberate refusal to actually follow the rules of participation on the site. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:51, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This is another example of how unsourced submissions waste everyone's time. It took me a number of Google searches and multiple minutes to find a source confirming that {{A|Peter Sellers (I)}} is the same person as the famous actor -- [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/anth/s233.htm Contento's "Miscellaneous Anthologies Index"]. Multiply it by 400,000 submissions per year and you can see how this is not a viable way of entering data into the database.<br />
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: BUREAUCRAT WARNING: If you continue refusing to clearly state where the data comes from in Notes, it will not only delay the processing of your submissions, but it will also fall under the "non-constructive or disruptive" clause of [[ISFDB:Policy]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I had an edit approved by a moderator recently where I discovered the Peter Sellers who wrote "The Wastrel" was the famous actor but was mistakenly in the same record as the Peter Sellers who wrote genre fiction in the 80's and 90's. The anthology where "The Wastrel" appears, https://archive.org/details/knightsofmadness0000unse, has an intro by Peter Haining on p. 228 of the book confirming it's Sellers the actor, not the writer. Now that a separate record has been created for Sellers the actor I figured it would be good to fill in bio info and provide a photo, so that's what I did. I'm not deliberately trying to be confusing, it's that some moderators are less concerned about exactness and trust I know what I'm talking about. As I said above, once backlog of my edits are cleared I'm going to stick mostly to adding covers and finding and adding info not found anywhere else on the current web, which is what I was mostly doing when I first started here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:37, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the clarification. I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?292831 the title record] explaining where the identification of the author comes from. I have also changed "Peter Sellers (I)" to "Peter Sellers (actor)" as per [[Help:How to separate two authors with the same name]], which prioritizes the use of profession for disambiguation purposes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:46, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== And the Darkness Falls ==<br />
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Another one with no source (thanks for adding the note though): [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962593 And the Darkness Falls]. <br />
: Where did you see the front flap?<br />
: As per the help page [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt for covers]: "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field." If the only credit on this flap is for the design, then a cover is not added. If there is another credit somewhere, please provide a source.<br />
The edit will need to be rejected (so we do not create a cover that then will need to be cleaned up) but if you provide a link where the flap is visible, I will edit the book after that to include both the Jacket design information and the source. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I added external ID for Fantlab, which I was told to do by you recently, so I thought it was obvious where I got info from, but here it is: https://fantlab.ru/edition131050. See photo 6. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Adding an ID does not replace the note explaining the source. In the case of FantLab it provides the link that is required so that you can then attribute the exact information to them in the notes. Edit rejected and note and external ID added again as explained above. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library and covers ==<br />
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When you find the cover there, please also add the Open Library ID into the external IDs. While the links on the left usually lead to the Open Library book correctly (if there is an ISBN to use), this is not true for older books or in some cases where the ISBN is reused or Open Library has more than one version for this ISBN. No need to add a note unless there is something interesting in the record. See how I did it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207069 here]. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:02, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've probably already added several covers from that site since the one you linked, but when I use their covers in future I'll try to remember to add the ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:07, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add them to any I am approving if they cross my path. While it is not critical, it helps for non-verified books (showing that we are not the only ones believing that the book exists for example) and sometimes provide interesting details we lack (and which can go into the notes) :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Same request for FantLab covers (with the same reason). Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226381 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:32, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) One small note on Fantlab images. When you copy them directly, they contain at the end a session information (?r=1603912742 for example). Pull that out (anything after the ? and the ? itself) - while keeping them does not seem to cause any issues at the moment, it is unclear if it might in the future (the same reason why we clean Amazon images from all Amazon formatting). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine Rocks / Internet Archive links ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - we record titles as they appear in the book. In the Nine Rocks case in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268366 this pub], this means that a new ''Nine Rocks'' title needed to be created, and then varianted to the original ''Nine Rocks in a Row'' title (I've done that here, have a look)<br />
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Also, when you are retrieving information from an Internet Archive copy, please add the link to the Webpages multifield iso buried into the Note to moderators. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:48, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Song in the House ==<br />
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When you have a link such as https://www.amazon.co.uk/Song-House-Ann-BRIDGE/dp/B003AQ2G5I (an ASIN based Amazon link), there are two ways to record it in a publication. <br />
* If it belongs to the book itself, as was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547479 here], just record the ASIN in the ASIN field and then just mention Amazon (the correct one of the 16) in the notes (which you did here already).<br />
* If you are using it for a credit but the link is NOT for this edition, you can use a template instead: <nowiki>{{ASIN|B003AQ2G5I}}</nowiki> for example. All templates can be found [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here].<br />
As a rule, Amazon links are not to be recorded in the Webpages links - they are either ISBN10 based (in which case the ISBN carries them) or ASIN based (then we use the ASIN field). I fixed it in the linked book. Thanks for finding this one! Please note that the ASIN field is only used for ASINs starting with B, the number only ones are ISBN10 and we already have that higher on the page. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:19, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forgetful Robot ==<br />
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Does "page #" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331270 here] means the "Pages" field or the page number for each story (aka the contents page numbers)? Also - let's use the word "number" and not "#" in sentences in the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:50, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Contents page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Note updated. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ghost Story Treasury ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960950 this variant]? As one of the anthologies has no contents, we need a source either with contents or showing one of them as a reissue of the other. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:07, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I found this, http://www.locusmag.com/index/b444.htm, which mentions first U.S. edition, so I think they're the same, just retitled; if not sufficient, just reject; children's books are often hard to get info for. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:34, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yep, that is good enough (the First U.S. edition (Kingfisher 1987) part at the end of the the US listing). I will add a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:14, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== British Books with two prices ==<br />
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You left a note about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126061 this publication] which has both pre-decimal and decimal prices. If you check [[Template:PublicationFields:Price|this help section]], our policy is to reflect the pre-decimal price in the price field, so the existing record was incorrect. It's certainly also appropriate to reflect the decimal price in the notes. I'll correct this record, but wanted to call the standard to your attention. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:43, 15 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== It's for You ==<br />
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Where is the contents [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4959547 here] coming from? The Moderator note explains where the two dates are coming from but nothing about the rest of the stories or where the page numbers are coming from. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: https://www.amazon.com/Its-You-Keith-Minnion/dp/1950565084; (Look Inside). --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:13, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved with one note: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2855414 here] the date should be 2006, not 1989. We date the first appearance under that title. So I fixed that. And for the other story: we date when something is published officially; copyright and posting online can be added to the notes but are not used for dating. :) Thanks for finishing the contents. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== What Is Dungeons and Dragons? ==<br />
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If I approve [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4965935 this], it will change the data in a verified book. The PV is active so can you please discuss the change with him? If the credits are different, we will need variants. If they are the same, we need to fix BOTH the title records and the publications (once created, they need to be changed separately). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:23, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Apologies for interrupting, but FWIW, I had a copy of this as a kid (it may even still be lurking in a box somewhere at my parents' house) and I recall it having the 3 authors listed in this edit. My vague memory tells me that there wasn't much ISFDB-relevant in it though - maybe a chapter about fictional inspiration for RPGs - so I doubt it would be accepted as a new submission nowadays.<br />
: I notice [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10337 John Butterfield] also has a bunch of earlier artwork for US pubs (at least the ones I've checked). I'm pretty sure that will be a different person - my (again very vague) recollection of this book is that the authors were all recent graduates from the same UK university, so it seems unlikely this person was also doing pro-art for US publishers 3-4 years earlier. I don't know how/where you might be able to prove that though... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 13:57, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine and I do not disbelieve the edit. BUT there is an active PV on one of the books and the site policies and common courtesy require someone to talk to them because they have the book and can open it and check (despite being Transient - it was January 2021 so there is a chance they still have access or remember better than someone who saw it last century ... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:12, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And yeah - seems like two different people. Let me do some more digging. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Companion ==<br />
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I thought we agreed above that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966265 this kind of updates] will have notes added as well. I approved the previous one and added the note. I will approve this one and update again but can you please ADD notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:37, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been trying to add more notes since the above discussion but an edit that includes only a price that's on the cover which is on the ISFDB record and wasn't entered by prior editor for whatever reason doesn't require a note; notes are for info not visible like copyright pages and hardcover prices and whatnot. This series had the same price for all 15 books so price was obvious, anyway. I do so many of these edits every day that it's very tiring to remember to enter every last note and external ID and whatever else you all want, but I have been adding more. Perhaps it would be better if you just reject anything that you find something wrong with and explain what you need in the rejection note rather than sending message after message on my talk page. Or maybe you should confine your approval of my edits to only cover images which don't require anything else and leave the other edits to someone else. Unlike someone who I read on ISFDB recently who was complaining about how long it was taking to approve his edits, I really don't care how long it takes. I just add entries constantly, and when moderators approve them, they approve them. Take as long as you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:02, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And all that can be added to the notes. I've mentioned before that there are users who have vision issues and some covers are not very clear. Adding a note takes a few seconds - either from your time or from someone else's. Asking a moderator to do it because you cannot be bothered is not very nice. No moderator should be approving edits with no clear sources in the notes - and some had been reminded to be careful around your edit because of your refusal to add notes. So if you ask the moderator team to reject any incomplete edits from you, we can do that easily enough. Instead I am trying to work with you so you do not lose your time finding information that will be rejected later. If you prefer straight rejections with explanation instead, sure - that works as well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I would prefer any edit I make from now on that you find fault with to be rejected with a note saying what was wrong with it rather than sending a message to my talk page which is now extremely long; I'm tired of seeing that yellow bar pop up with another message complaining about something. My info is almost always correct because I verify every edit I make, so the problem is not with the quality but the process. I've noticed since our discussion above that I'm slowly moving away from adding hardcover flap prices and exact months and all the other minutiae I've been doing the last few months and going back to adding more cover images and finding rare info nobody else can like I was when I started, so sometime soon these "adding notes" talks will be moot because I won't be doing anything that requires them, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:33, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One thing that I believe I mentioned earlier is that cover scan hosted by third party sites, including Amazon, can be transient. We have seen thousands of image URLS die over the years.<br />
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:::: On the other hand, the data that we store in the ISFDB database is backed up once a day, except for images, which are backed up once a week. We make our backups publicly available once a week and many people (all over the world) faithfully download them. In addition, our software is publicly available. Nothing short of a worldwide disaster on the level of dinosaur-killing asteroid will make it impossible to rebuild the ISFDB database. Think of any Note text that you add as your own personal slice of immortality :-)<br />
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:::: Re: price visibility, are you saying that you can easily read the price printed on [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IWnJffnnL.jpg this cover scan]? If you are, you are better at pattern recognition that most humans. All I see is blurry white lines. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:49, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Swamp Witch ==<br />
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Please talk to the PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966285 here]. This kind of changes should always be discussed with the PVs as you had been reminded more than once. Sometimes it may turn out that they have a slightly different edition than the one you found online. That's why we have the PV system. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I cancelled my submission. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:05, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wikipedia as a source ==<br />
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Hi. A word of warning about Wikipedia as a source: You can't necessarily trust information in Wikipedia articles. It's best to look at the cited references and try to find the original source for the information in the article. We need to be careful about propagating assumptions and/or outright errors. For example, your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960968 proposed date change] for ''The Hunt for Red October'' based on Wikipedia's October 1, 1984. I poked around a little, and it's not clear October 1 is correct or the article's source for it. The [https://tomclancy.com/product/the-hunt-for-red-october Tom Clancy] site does say October 1, but the [https://www.usni.org/press/books/hunt-red-october ISNI Press] site says October 2.<br />
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BTW, I don't see why we shouldn't have listings for publications of that title. I'm checking to see what others think. I have your edit on hold. Assuming we should have publication records, a record for the first edition would be a better place to try to explain the above dating disagreement than in the title record. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:31, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:p.s. I got reminded of why we don't have publication records.... :-) Oh well. So I accepted the submission but removed the day (so just dated October 1984), and I added a note stating the publication date is uncertain, explaining the discrepancy and linking the above sources. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:14, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Catalog of Copyright #TX0001475353 puts 1984-10-03 as the official registered date of publication. The registration was accepted on 1984-10-29.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:03, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Nice find. I expanded the notes, adding that, with [https://publicrecords.copyright.gov/detailed-record/13828104 this link] (probably not permanent, but it looks likely to get a permanent replacement someday). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:22, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking translations ==<br />
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To link a translation to the original title, we use "Make This Title a Variant" -- the translation is the "child"/variant, and the original is the "parent"/canonical title. So where you discovered the missing introduction in {{P|368060|Cold House}}, the linking necessarily had to wait for the approval of your submission that added it. Then one could go to {{T|2298089|Einleitung (Das kalte Haus)}} and make it the variant of the newly added title, which I have done. Now both of the titles show the relationship to the other, and if you take a look at {{P|645515|Das kalte Haus}}, you'll see the German introduction is annotated as a translation of Ketchum's English introduction.<br />
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The complementary scenario exists when adding a new title that's a translation of an existing title -- the relationship between new and existing needs to be established in the other direction, but doing so still has to wait for the new title to be created. So what you did with making a note to the moderator about the translation relationship between the new title and the existing title is perfect; the moderator processing the submission can know to go make the variant relationship while processing the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:45, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest: 1972 ''Exorcism''(s) ==<br />
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I can see the covers on the edition of Exorcism [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835576 you submitted] and on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359576 previously existing record] are different, with both clearly showing the W101Z, $1.25 and Lexington Press. It would be interesting to know how those two editions are related. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:56, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, it would; the publisher has no other books on ISFDB. This, http://www.bradmiddleton.ca/2020/02/exorcism-1971-by-eth-natasor-was-it.html, gives a good review of the book but just mentions the "alternate cover"; the reason I added that cover here is because it's an actual cover and not just some text on a black background like the other one, plus it's really stupid. I see that searching on Worldcat for "all editions" gives a 1972 Lexington House ed. but also a 1974 Manor Books ed., which I see you added 2 printings of, but Worldcat says the later ed. is also 190 pages, so you may want to add that, too; searching for Eth Natas gives only 2 hits, this book and an encyclopedia article which gives an error page if you click on it; searching for a Lexington House in Jamaica, N.Y. gives only this book so apparently they were one-and-done. This, https://www.etsy.com/listing/938956379/exorcism-witchcraft-possession-the-dead, shows the back cover of the Manor ed.; this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Exorcism-Eth-Natas/dp/0532122062, gives an ISBN. Hope this helps, MartyD. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:53, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== John R. Holt pseudonym of Raymond Giles? ==<br />
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I stumbled upon [https://www.librarything.com/author/holtjohnr this] LibraryThings statement. Currently those two authors are not linked with each other in the ISFDB. Do you agree that {{a|John R. Holt}} is a pseudonym of {{a|Raymond Giles}}? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:04, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes. It's mentioned several places on the web, but this is a good one: https://darkeyesoflondon.blogspot.com/2020/12/. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:33, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for the confirmation. I've linked both authors and made Giles the canonical name. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:16, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Judgement vs. Judgment ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4972212 your edit] on hold for a moment. Could you check with SFJuggler (by leaving a note on his talk page) whether it's indeed a typo, or if it's written as Judg'''e'''ment Day on the title page instead? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:12, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV said it's his typo, and my edit is correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:27, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fifth Season ==<br />
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On your submissions for "The Fifth Season" and "People of the Night". Looking at the pictures, both sure look like they are stapled and are therefor ph. And all the stories in "The Fifth Season" should be short stories; how can any story in a collection 40 pages long be anything else? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:20, 27 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Timothy Mulcahy ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4978840 this]? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:He has a website, timmulcahy.com, but I don't see any definite links between the stories in both records on ISFDB, so it can be rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:43, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, unfortunately that website only mentions the "Birth Screams of Angels" story. I added the website to {{A|Tim Mulcahy}} based on that, but rejected the variant. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:19, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Different Drummer ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4984120 this submission]: Is the Internet Archive copy you found [https://archive.org/details/differentdrummer00kell_1 this one]? Or is there another version I'm not seeing? The reason I ask is that is a copy of the third printing per the number line so it's not clear if the date is for the original printing or that third printing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:19, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That's the one; the foreword is copyright 1989 so it's a new edition, but it also says the original Anchor edition was 1969, which is also on ISFDB with no cover; looking online it seems to have a different cover, so they updated a few things for this one. I almost added the wrong cover to the 1989 book because Amazon had some other cover which is for another edition. You may be right about the third printing, but the price other editor entered was much higher than the 1 on the archive.org copy, so why would the 1st printing be more expensive than the 3rd? Also, there's a note about Amazon saying it's from May 1990, so I'm not sure about all this, but since PV is no longer active and my info came from an actual copy of the book, I think we should go with mine, and if someone else has a copy of the first printing with a 1989 date on the back cover they can always enter that on ISFDB as another edition; book on archive.org says 0690 on back so if PV had a copy of the book it should have a similar --89 date, but I guess they missed that and just used date on copyright page. Adding a note that the archive.org copy is the 3rd printing would be good, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:04, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The copyright page has "Anchor Books Editions: 1969, 1989" so seems like 1989 would be the correct year for this first printing and the "0690" would be for the third printing. The price is suspect, but prices can change between printings. Yes, it would be nice to be able to ask the verifier to double check the price and if there is a date code on the back. But as they are no longer active, we cannot and we have to go with the information we have. We create separate records for each printing so I have cloned the record and created a third printing. I sourced that to the archive.org scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:47, 18 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Incomplete cover ==<br />
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Hello username! It was kind of you to add a cover to my verified book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?753227 Weltraum Nr. 1], but it's incomplete. In the middle of the cover there is still a painting. Greetings Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:40, 17 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Drive In The Bus Tour ==<br />
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I approved your submission of changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312004 The Drive In: The Bus Tour], even with the new cover scan. The original scan was much better IMHO. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:40, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The cover I added shows full art including what's on the back. It may be a little glossy when small like a lot of small-press hardcovers, but clicking makes it bigger and much easier to see the art. ISFDB's policy of shrinking all images down has the unfortunate side effect of making a lot of covers and author images hard to see; some display better when clicked or opened in a new tab, some don't; this one does. And if the cover art is continued on the back cover it's usually better to use that so users can see it in full, unless the image is so bad that it's not feasible to use it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Dog / Queta Non Movere ==<br />
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Hello, can you provide source for your varianting statement [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4993714 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:45, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I discovered this months ago and left a message on ISFDB asking if anyone knew more; months passed and nobody answered so I decided to enter it. The original edition of Dark Encounters and a recent Polygon edition use the original title, but the 1984 John Goodchild edition decided to use the title here, https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbchomeservice/basic/1961-10-12. I suspect they changed it because people these days wouldn't understand the Latin title so they gave it a more "horror-y" title. Online reviews that discuss "Quieta Non Movere" mention a black dog so they're the same story. There's a copy of the 1984 edition on Google Books and on Fantlab, https://fantlab.ru/edition219644. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:03, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've approved the varianting, and added a note to the Black Dog title record, stating Fantlab has this as 'Quieta Non Movere'. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:57, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm glad to finally get this info entered on ISFDB; one change I would suggest, though, is making the note refer to the BBC link I provided above, since that is the only hit I got when I searched on Google for the "Black Dog..." title and is probably when the title was originally changed. The "Black Dog..." title doesn't link to Fantlab on Google because in their usual sloppy fashion they list titles from 1963 edition on 1984 edition's page and forgot to change the title from "Quieta..." to "Black Dog...", so the only way people would know the title was changed is if they clicked on the photos from the book. Another thing is I decided to search Internet Archive for the "Black Dog..." title and again got only 1 hit, https://archive.org/details/Radiocorriere-1961-41, so there's 1 more bit of proof that this was the title they used for radio. Why only the 1984 edition of Dark Encounters decided to use that title is anyone's guess. I will add an edit now with the external ID for Fantlab so people can go there if they want to see the photos. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:32, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Sure, feel free to add the two references into the pub notes (and URL in the web multifield). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:54, 30 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Making of The Wizard of Oz ==<br />
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Hello! I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252547 The Making of The Wizard of Oz] and correct your wrong ISBN record. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:24, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Danke. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:30, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== [no subject] ==<br />
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Where exactly did you get the impression that I have a problem with people disagreeing with me? That's a problem of yours, not mine. <br><br />
It's difficult to get across subtle nuances online, but you seemed to get prickly when I asked if you were a moderator. Why? I was just wondering if maybe you could approve the change for me. <br><br />
I'm just as good an editor as you, although not as prolific. Sometimes I make mistakes, but I catch them and fix them. I'm fully aware of every missing link in every issue I've entered, and why it's missing. You couldn't be sure of that, of course, and I appreciate you trying to help. I also really appreciated your kind words about my efforts to add Fangoria, and your offer of help. I wish I'd said so.<br><br />
You say "tantrum", I say "prank". It's your six-month anniversary, and one of the better editors should surely have a biography!--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 01:22, 18 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Username? It would help if you answered those two questions, please.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:28, 26 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
When you forgive my sarcasm (which trumps rudeness!), I'd like to take you up on your offer of help with Fangoria. If you want to verify the issues that you have, or add anything that belongs, that would be great.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 21:21, 28 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Jason Alexander ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5036748 this submission]: It looks like {{A|Jason Alexander}} is multiple people. The only record I was able to confirm to be by the actor is "Dad, Are You The Tooth Fairy?" (plus probably the two interviews). Are you aware of any others? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:17, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:The 1978 novel is not by the actor since he was only 18 or 19 at the time; the publisher has 5 books on Open Library, and 1 by Alexander is readable, revealing that author is a Libertarian Ayn Rand type. The art is all within the same time period so most likely is by the same artist. So the actor wrote the Tooth Fairy book and the 2 interviews are with him also because there's lots of info online about him appearing on Trek. That leaves the essay; no info online about which Alexander wrote that, but if I had to guess it's by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:57, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yup, that was my thought. I will divide them up. By the way, I moved your response from my talk page over to here as it keeps the conversation together. That allows someone else in the future to more easily figure it out if they have questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:25, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Red ==<br />
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I approved you submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2721847 Dangerous Red], but you need to clone the pub under that title and enter the 2003 edition in edition to the new edition. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:22, 3 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moorstones ==<br />
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Hello, could you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0907349307&type=ISBN]? It has two publication records with identical ISBN, but different publishers. (2nd one is the one you cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5066858 here]). Is this expected? Or must the ISBN of the Spindlewood edition be removed? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:57, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this myself on Community Portal under "Moorstones". Since edition I entered came from the actual book on Archive.org I would trust that and assume the ISBN for later edition was taken from some online info that had the wrong one; of course it's possible they both use same ISBN, so someone needs to produce the Salem edition to check. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Salem House edition info is copied from Locus. They could be wrong about the ISBN.--[[User:Chris J|Chris J]] 19:34, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delete notes ==<br />
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Hello! I hold your submission of ''Our Gang (Starring Tricky and His Friends)''. Are you sure that you want to delete all notes? Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:10, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That was an extra note about the quote on last page; don't know why it thinks I wanted to delete previous notes, way the software works I guess, but it's an extra note, not meant to replace previous ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:46, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I've approve your submission and restore the notes. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:08, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Grey Matter Variant ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069181 edit] to change the date to 1978 for the variant of King's story with the title as "Grey Matter"? Our earliest appearance of the story with that spelling is now November 1987, after your edits to the Pan publication. I'll also note that you really should have checked with the verifier of that book before submitting those edits. I had to contact them and make sure it was OK before approving them. They noted that there is a 1978 copyright date but, but the book doesn't indicate what title was used for the 1978 publication. I'll change the record to 1987 for now and continue to hold your edit depending on your source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The story was published in an American porn mag and then collected in Night Shift in 1978. It was Gray in America but Grey in England, and since the English edition also came out in '78 that was its first appearance. I brought this up somewhere on the boards months ago and 1 of you responded saying that every book where the story appears would need to be checked to see how it's spelled, so now I got the ball rolling; others can check their copies or online and verify if it was spelled Grey in all other British publications, whether Night Shift editions or Pan Books or anything else. Sometimes I notice a book was PV'd and check with them first, sometimes I don't. I was on my way out of here recently until a hurricane and terrorists made it impossible for me to travel. The barbarians are at the gate, so the fact I'm still here is a miracle; that may not be true much longer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::First off, stay safe wherever you are. You didn't really answer the question. You assert that all UK editions have the variant title and that it was first published in the UK in 1978. Where did you get those pieces of information? We do not list a 1978 UK edition. There is none listed in Contento1, which is our chief source for pre-1984 collections. Worldcat has one record published by Hodder & Stoughton and one by New English Library, both for 1978, but neither records list the contents. I'm going to reject the edit to change the variant date for now. If you have a source you can cite, we can revisit this. Lastly, checking with active verifiers when you are changing the spelling of content is not optional. You need to do that every time. It's especially important when you don't have a source for your information as it appears you did not in this case. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:39, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: www.stephenkingcollector.com/identifyingUK1st.html; www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Night+Shift+-+Trade+HC+UK; https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/9047442.pdf (spells it GREY and even says what pages it's on); 1978 was NEL's HC Night Shift date; most King books were published in America and Britain close together. The reason why the British edition is not on ISFDB isn't because it doesn't exist but because nobody ever bothered to enter it. Sounds unlikely, but I've entered many editions by very well-known authors (Straub, Koontz, etc.) which should have been here but weren't. The Pan Book of Horror Stories definitely says "GREY Matter" because I actually found a photo of the contents page, and it seems that it was the only British anthology that story ever appeared in, at least as far as ISFDB says, so the only question now is whether all of the many British editions of Night Shift spell it that way, which seems very likely to me. So the British spelling's date almost certainly originates from the 1978 NEL Night Shift, but if you don't want to change it that's on you. As for checking with PV's, there was a time when I never checked because in almost every case my changes turned out to be correct, but eventually I started checking and have done so many times, but often I forget since I'm only human. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:31, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: https://www.booksandyou.in/product/night-shift1; the cached Google version still works, and includes a photo showing contents with "Grey Matter"; ISBN matches British editions on ISFDB but price is different, so it's some unknown printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:15, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bad Candy ==<br />
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Posted an answer on my [[User_talk:MagicUnk|talk page]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Bad_Candy here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:50, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Type change of ''The X-Files Book of the Unexplained, Volume II'' ==<br />
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Could you please confirm [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5076872 this update] with SFJugger first? That would be appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I think you meant SFJuggler. There's nothing really to confirm, since the first volume is NF on ISFDB; he just made a mistake and entered it as a collection. Also, see this link under Non-fiction books; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X-Files_literature. If y'all disagree you can cancel my edit, that's fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:43, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I've accepted the submission, and added the link to the Moderators notes for reference. And it's not really about disagreeing (I'm impartial, as I don't have any interest either way), it's about confirming and ensuring a primary verifier agrees with your suggested update. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:04, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding covers found in other editions ==<br />
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When you are adding a cover artist because the art matches that of another publication already in the database. Please don't simply add the name of the artist to the publication record. This will result in a new COVERART title record which will then require an additional edit to merge it with the other title record from the source publication. A better approach would be to import the COVERART title used in the other publication(s) into the publication where it is missing. For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5084890 this edit] would create a new title which would then need to be merged with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1140800 this existing] title record. Instead, just grab the Title Record # from the existing record (1140800) and use the Import Content tool (Option 2) to add the COVERART to the publication. This way, you won't have to go back and submit merge edits. Let me know if you have any questions. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:07, 16 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moby Dick ==<br />
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HI! The official title is "Moby Dick; Or, The Whale" , would this be better as the parent and Moby Dick as the variant?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:05, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Wikipedia says The Whale as a 3-volume book in GB and Moby Dick as a single volume in America. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:12, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Stupid Amazon has piles of books with that title! Should have read more of the Wiki article :/[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:38, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library link in "Death and Resurrection" ==<br />
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Please explain the open library link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362571 here]. It should obviously be in one of the editions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1325558 New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Prior editor wrote note about wrong ISBN on copyright page vs. right ISBN on back cover; Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Archive.org link but the page I linked to does; my note explains about right author but wrong title. Clicking Preview shows MacAvoy's book. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: So write a more comprehensible note. No one understands this as it is now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's perfectly comprehensible. There's some other editor's note about different ISBN's, and there's my new note about how the Open Library page I linked to shows wrong title but right author. I don't usually link directly to non-public domain books on Archive.org because many of them aren't supposed to be there and often get taken down after complaints. I have a feeling you're just being difficult because of my refuting of all your hostile messages recently. If that's the case, you don't have to check my edits anymore. There's many other people working here. Or you can be professional and act like an adult. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:01, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: This has nothing to do with being hostile. Clicking the link you provided brings you to [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL26775558M/New_Cthulhu_The_Recent_Weird this page]. It shows the cover of 'New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird' which is obvously wrong. How do you expect people to know that it shows the right edition after clicking through if you don't explain this in the note? <br />
:::: I'll be perfectly happy if you don't touch my primary verifications anymore, that would save me a lot of wasted time. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:21, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: In order not to receive any more of your messages about this issue, I will add an extra note to that record explaining in exact detail that the Preview link must be clicked in order to read MacAvoy's book, for all the slow adults out there who can't figure out how to click a button. I also just added a message on Community Portal about this topic, so now it's preserved for the ages. You also spelled obviously incorrectly. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::As the other verifier of this publication record, I have to object to this. It seems completely bizarre to me to include a link to the OL record for the Guran anthology in the record for the MacAvoy novel in order to provide a link to the archive record that happens to be incorrectly linked from OL record. Why not simply add the internet archive link directly? You mention that you don't want to for fear of it being taken down. If it is taken down, why would the OL still have it. I also have to reiterate (how many times have I asked you before?) that you need to check with the verifiers before making this sort of change. Had I been consulted first, I would have told you not to link to the wrong book, and I suspect from these comments that Willem would have agreed. I'm going to back out these changes and link to the internet archive directly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I don't know what's in the air recently, but you people are making way too big a deal about this. If you want to complain, complain to Prime Books for printing Death and Resurrection's ISBN in New Cthulhu. The Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Preview button to click, so anyone visiting that page would think the book is not readable at the Archive, so I provided an OL link to the page that actually has the Preview button which takes you to Death and Resurrection; wrong cover and title mean nothing, since it's the double ISBN's in the book itself that are responsible for the confusion. I've noticed you frequently add archive.org links to records for books that are not public domain; that's risky, since many are taken down due to copyright complaints; one of my first edits here on ISFDB was for a Noel Langley story from Saturday Evening Post that was reprinted in his 1950 collection under a different title; it still hasn't been changed because by the time I started editing here those issues were all gone because of copyright issues, so I was never able to prove it. So you can add whatever you want to, but when they come calling you'll have to deal with them. I don't appreciate your hostile tone, especially since I did a good thing by adding a link to a book that would have otherwise gone unread by most. Also, why would I contact PV about adding an external ID; I'm not changing anything you did. You rarely have anything positive to say and only message me when you have a complaint about something trivial like this; if I had a dollar for every time I've had to fix wrong info and saw your name as the one who entered that info I'd be rich, so get off your high horse. When I contacted your friend up there months ago to let him know I'd done some changes on a book he PV'd he responded with extreme rudeness, so if you want me to contact PV every time I make some change, even if it's unnecessary as in this case, then maybe y'all should learn how to respond like adults. I've been 1 of the most prolific editors here this year, and was ready to take a long break recently, until circumstances beyond my control put a stop to that, but if I continue to receive constant complaints about my work that may change. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Please do not edit archived discussions ==<br />
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I have reverted [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal%2FArchive%2FArchive50&diff=613373&oldid=608314 your edit]. If you need to post an update to the discussion, please don't edit the archived discussion pages. Very few people will see anything posted on the archived discussion pages, so anything impportant posted there will be unseen by most everyone. Instead, please post it on the appropriate discussion page as a new topic (in this case, on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] page). I recommend doing that for this one, and then link to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive50#Missing Cover for Blood Rare|archived discussion like this]]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:01, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm the one who wrote the original message; finding the cover by accident more than 6 months later, I went back and added a note about that. Nobody responded during that 6+ months, so I doubt anyone cares that I finally found the cover; if they ever look for that book they'll see the cover in its record. I was writing the note to myself, as I've done with several other recent findings by me for old messages I left that no one ever answered, so that when I look back over all my messages as I do sometimes I know which ones were solved. No need for a new topic because the case is closed. Most of my very numerous messages have never been answered, so if I want to talk to myself, だから何だ? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:38, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I understand. Please don't edit archived discussion, however. I suspect the one of the biggest reasons so many of your messages don't get answered is because there are so many of them it's hard for anyone to keep up with them. It might be good to make a user sub-page to keep track of them, and ask people to follow that. Then you can keep track of which have been answered there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:07, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Translations ==<br />
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As you are venturing into translations, a few notes:<br />
* We need the translator up on the title level so we know which titles need merging if there are multiple publications. I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2926829 this one]<br />
* We have a template for recording the translators - Tr. You can see in the example above how it is used. It is one of those "if one day we start recording translators" preparations. When you do not add it or do not use the template, it pops up on a report and someone will need to fix it later. <br />
* For Spanish, our external ID LTF stands for https://tercerafundacion.net/ - which is a good place for additional verification and data for Spanish language books. They definitely do not have everything but when they do, they have more information than most. So if you plan to work on Spanish, you may want to check them occasionally.<br />
Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:25, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I wasn't venturing into translations, it was just a random book I came across while searching for other things. I was surprised it wasn't here already so I took a shot at entering it; I entered most info correctly, and points you brought up are ISFDB-specific, not related to the book itself. I also was on that LTF page before I entered the info but didn't know ISFDB had an external ID for them. I barely comprehend English so when I enter one of my very rare new publications for a foreign-language book it's because it interested me in some way, not because I have any interest in entering foreign editions. I'm running on fumes here, so even working on English-language publications doesn't interest me much anymore. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine - but if you do translations, keep these in mind. You had the translator, it was just in the wrong notes. So I am stopping by with an advice on how to reduce the number of edits needed later when you add translations. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:48, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The High Holidays are over, but… ==<br />
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Forgiven me yet? :'( --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 03:09, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Unexplained edits affecting verified publications ==<br />
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Hi. This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5121886 submission] is a good example of where you could save moderators a lot of work. You propose to change a title that appears in multiple verified publications, at least one of which has an active primary verifier. You provided no note explaining why (yes, it looks like an obvious misspelling, but what makes you think it's incorrect?), you did not check with the verifier, and the main secondary source -- Locus1 -- has the spelling as recorded in the entry. I did the Locus1 check, I asked MLB to confirm the spelling in the book he verified, and now I'm leaving you a note. Maybe others skipped over it due to lack of explanation and following of process; maybe someone else would have rejected it outright. But for me, what could have taken a few seconds to process has turned into many minutes (and I'm still not done with it). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]]<br />
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: Well, there's this, [https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/uQEAAOSwlRBg3pQW/$/Jack-Ketchum-Exit-at-Toledo-Blade-Boulevard-_57.jpg], where it's spelled SLEAZY, and there's also this, https://www.amazon.com/Peaceable-Kingdom-Jack-Ketchum/dp/1477806547, where searching inside gives 1 hit for SLEAZY but no hits for SLEASY, and there's a note saying the 47North edition was taken directly from the Leisure edition, so the spelling would be the same there, too. There's also the fact that searching Google for the title with the wrong spelling only lists a handful of sites, with ISFDB first and Locus next, with the few other sites obviously having taken their info directly from ISFDB. So what probably happened, as happens very often, is Locus lists wrong info (like every other online site), editor here copies it verbatim without verifying from an actual copy, and the wrong info remains, sometimes for a decade or more, until I come along and fix it, as I've done thousands of times before, because I do check physical copies or online scans of physical copies and never trust what some online site tells me. Also, 1 PV hasn't been here since 2019, 1 is in German so the title would be in German, too, and the other PV, MLB, has told me before, as have others, that if I fix something like this to just go ahead without contacting them because in almost every case my fix turns out to be correct. Thanks to Username for fixing this; you're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:45, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Wow. Thanks for the feedback. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:55, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: As we discussed in the past, this information should be included in the submission. Moderators do not have the time to replicate this kind of in-depth research and there is no reason to force them to re-do something that you have already done. As the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/newpub.cgi?Anthology New Publication Web page] says in the "Source of Data" section, if the submitted data comes from "Other website, later printing/edition or another source", the source should be explained in the Publication Note field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:32, 19 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blue World type change ==<br />
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There are six PVs on this title, and only one of them was contacted regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125135 changing this] from SHORTFICTION (novella) to NOVEL. Did you actually do a word count estimate? Your note didn't indicate that (rather stating only that it was "novel length in every edition it appears in". Please contact them and have them comment here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:37, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I only contacted 1 PV because they're the only active one, as I explained in my note to Taweiss where I said YOU'RE THE ONLY ACTIVE PV. Also, a word count is unnecessary because every edition on ISFDB has a page count for "Blue World" well above a novella as described on ISFDB's Wiki for what constitutes novella-length. It's probably just the usual where it was called a novella when originally entered and then copied without anyone actually noticing it's novel-length. Thanks for fixing this, Username. You're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:09, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Keep in mind that using page count to estimate the word count depends greatly on the font size, margin size, page size, and other things. Additionally, the page counts are referring to the collection it appears in. I don't see any instance where ''Blue World'' has appeared all by itself in any volume. Our listings show only appearances in collections. And while the page counts for this story (ranging from about 133-199) seem to indicate it's likely over 40,000 words, until Taweiss responds, we don't have any way to know. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:26, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry for the delay. Traveling for work. With a length of 174 pages, and around 50K works, it's a novel. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 08:58, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::No worries. Thanks for chiming in. The submission has been approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:38, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Freebird? ==<br />
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What was the purpose of posting a link to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiCZFhEpRDI this YouTube clip], which I have removed from the Community Portal? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:17, 31 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I see that you are back, creating submissions and responding on Talk pages. I have put your last batch of submissions on hold. Please answer the question above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:00, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I'm not back; the Talk page I responded to was for a question I asked nearly 9 months ago which the PV, Chavey, finally answered by asking me for a link to the record I was asking about instead of just typing the title himself, so I provided him that link; the Shroud Magazine submissions were just a passing fancy while checking my recently approved edits and noticing that the contents of most Shroud issues are on Philsp.com, including 1 short story in the same issue as the essay I imported recently, which led me to import it (and changing the date to match) and then, as usual, going the extra mile by importing 3 Derek M. Fox essays I noticed were never imported, either (someone imported a 4th Fox essay years ago and varianted it because I became 1; I don't know if that's correct so someone else will have to decide about that). I'm not doing my usual dozens/100+ edits a day for the foreseeable future, but if I feel the need to add something here and there I will. The title of the YouTube clip explains itself. God Bless America, Impeach Biden, Trump 2024. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:09, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. I have released the hold on the submissions.<br />
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::: Let me reiterate and clarify what I said [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Fantlab on your Talk page back in April] and then again [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Gorey on Annie's Talk page on October 29]. The ISFDB is a strictly bibliographic project. Some of our contributors are from countries which were at war with each other not so long ago. We have contributors from across the ideological spectrum. If we were to allow politics on Wiki pages, the project would implode. For these reasons political statements are not allowed here. Please keep this in mind and act accordingly going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Buzzelli's [A] Gift of Evil ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could you double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823891 this] publication. Both Reginald3 and Worldcat have the title as "A Gift of Evil". I'll be adding the external IDs for those two sources. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Reginald also notes Roman numbered pages through xi, though Worldcat does not. If you could verify that as well, it would be appreciated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:51, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: It's Gift of Evil on front and back covers, title and copyright pages, and every left-hand page in the book; the Prologue starts on vii and ends on xi. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:56, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I updated the page count. I also added a note about the discrepancy with the secondary sources which will hopefully prevent someone else from asking you the same question again. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:56, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Screwup ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147311 this submission]: The Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/maddogsummerothe00joer/page/n9/mode/2up scan] of the hc anthology shows the title as "Screwup" (both on TOC and title page). Is there a specific version you believe is "Screw Up"? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:37, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The scan is of Lansdale's collection; the anthology is 'Til Death Do Us Part, which is on Google Books; I believe I provided a link in 1 of those edits, but I can't rightly recall 'cause it's been so long. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:47, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Your edit would change the collection and not the anthology. Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147310 prior edit], would create a new record for the anthology, but that cannot be edited until it is accepted. You were changing the original record which would remain the one for the collection. I have accepted the unmerge, rejected the title change, changed the new record for anthology, and varianted them together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Dude, that was a quality stream of info there. I'll take your word for it that everything's correct now, so thanks. Variants are my kryptonite. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:23, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Boy Scouts Year Book of Ghost and Mystery Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5157750 this submission]: Thank you for finding this. For a number of the authors being changed, these were the only stories in the database for them and the author records had data. Due to how the software works, that would have resulted in the existing author records and their data being deleted and new ones created. To not loose the existing author data, I edited the author records instead. As I wasn't sure how this would impact your submission, I duplicated the changes in another edit vs. approving yours. Long winded way of saying, I had to reject your edit, but not because there was anything wrong - just an artifact of how the software handles author name changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: OK. EDIT: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622565; I think that note isn't needed anymore since title was fixed; "Riddle of Bat Cove" gets no hits on Google while "Riddle of Bat Cave" gets a few hits; also this one: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622555, where title was also fixed. EDIT: I just went ahead and did some cleaning up of notes, but whoever entered them had trouble keeping them uniform, with some including a name, a few including alternate names, some having no names, and eventually just getting tired of using the word "appeared". It was messy, but I think I cleaned up most of it; however, you may have to fix a few things in those stories where alternate names are entered; I noticed Whitfield's story had an empty record for Raoul, while Raoul F. was filled in. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:05, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::Edits accepted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:23, 26 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Psychic Fair ==<br />
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What are you trying to achieve with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5164235 this edit]? You are unmerging all the contents which would leave a blank record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:02, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: George M. O'Har published the PB Psychic Fair and then many years later it was reprinted but he dropped the M. Whoever entered these new editions didn't variant them to his full name and 1 edition was in the same record as the original while the other was standalone. I varianted the standalone and I think that's OK, but I thought the edition merged with the original had to be unmerged first before varianting it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:17, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::In looking at it some more, the Vivisphere Publishing edition still under George M. O'Har was a duplicate (same ISBN, same format, same date, same price, etc.) of the other. I deleted it. We should be all good now, but let me know if I missed something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:37, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162842; I had a similar situation with a stray on some other book recently and a couple of mods had to decide how to fix it; I guess you know if this one needs fixing, too. After that, I guess this is all done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:41, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::::{{A|George O'Har|162842}} needed to be made an alternate name of {{A|George M. O'Har|5046}}. Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 5 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== When You Look Down to Find Yourself Going But Not Yet Gone ==<br />
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There were no notes included with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5189192 this submission] for changing the date. The publication is PVd by [[User talk:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], too, and I don't see any indication this change was discussed. The submission is on hold until you discuss the change with the PV and provide a reason for the change. I'll keep an eye here for that. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:10, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Because the book the poems were first published in, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263421, which is mentioned 8 times in the link I provided, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2004/t20.htm#A380, when I imported them, has that date on ISFDB. Also, PV doesn't respond anymore; http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:58, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Then please mention that. Just providing a link doesn't mean what's obvious to you will be obvious to anyone else. In this case, there are well over 100 poems listed at that link, so it's really not obvious what you are trying to do. If you make it easier for anyone working on approving your submissions, things will go much more quickly and smoothly. We shouldn't have to come pester you for information you could easily include in a moderator note.<br />
::As for Mhhutchins, yes, he no longer responds to posts on his talk page, but he suggests to either email him or post about major changes on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]], neither of which you did (as far as I can tell). Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:31, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for Dime Novel Roundup ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5206557 submission] to add a cover scan to ''Dime Novel Roundup''. The image that you are entering is certainly the cover for the paperback edition. Do you have any source that the hardcover had a jacket with the same cover? While Open Library provides a link to the Internet Archive scan of the hardcover without a jacket, they do not specify which edition their record is for. I was aware of this image when I entered the record, but I couldn't find any image of the hardcover edition with a dust jacket. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: https://www.worldcat.org/title/dime-novel-roundup-annotated-index-1931-1981/oclc/9649579/editions?referer=di&editionsView=true; all editions with covers have the same one. I don't know if that's proof, but other Bowling Green publications on ISFDB have same covers for HC and TP. If not enough, cancel. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:52, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Unfortunately, Worldcat frequently shows stock images that do not reflect the same edition as in the record. I actually think it is likely that the same image was used for the dust jacket, but without evidence we should probably leave the hardcover edition without a cover until one can be found. Amazon doesn't show a cover for the hardcover, nor does the copy available on ABE books. You could clone this pub and create a record for the paperback with the image. However since the Open Library record isn't specific to any edition, I wouldn't list it in either publication record. You could list it as a link in the title record though. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:37, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: You're right; problem is I stopped caring about any of this long ago and am only continuing to edit to pass the time in a productive way instead of far worse things I could be doing. I've tried to leave several times, as I've explained somewhere on these boards before, but circumstances keep getting in the way. My goal is to eventually stop regular editing and only add an occasional edit now and then to keep me from getting the dreaded "no longer active" designation. The way things are going in the world now, especially in America where I live, this whole silly internet thing may be a thing of the past soon, anyway. You still seem to care, so if you want to do any of the things you mentioned above, be my guest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:15, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ian McKellen ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5209791 this submission]: Do you have a source for the author of the essay being the actor? Or are you just basing it on being the same name? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The image is Ian McKellen starring in the film Apt Pupil, based on the work by Stephen King. He played a former Nazi, thus the uniform. This, https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780753461075, mentions it's the guy who played Gandalf who wrote the intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:33, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Outlaws of the Moon ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5210829 this edit]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The other edition by this publisher has the same cover; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3466. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::When using a secondary source to add information (especially for a verified pub), the source must be stated in the pub notes. I have accepted the edit & added the note. In the future, please add the note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:05, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: The PV of the edition with no cover artist, Bluesman, hasn't been active for years, so it's not like I could contact him and say, "Hey, I'm importing a cover art credit into your book because you didn't bother to check the other covers on ISFDB and notice there's another edition with the same art as your PV'd copy"; I just checked, and Bluesman entered the American edition, too, so why he didn't know who did the cover for the Canadian edition is a mystery), and the cover art credit says the art is a variant of the Perry Rhodan art, so writing that in the notes seems redundant. But you must know best because you're a moderator. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:17, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Documenting secondary sources in pub notes is required per our rules. If you believe a varianted cover art record is sufficient documentation, you are welcome to start a [[Rules and standards discussions]] to change the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:25, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Bus ==<br />
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Hello. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5213606 your submissoin]. For non-fiction collections that are wholly non-fiction, we tend to record these as NONFICTION, and not as COLLECTION if I am not mistaken. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type Title Type] rules that says, ''This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction'', and ''A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant.'' You may want to ask a 2nd opinion though. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:52, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: The collection and anthology types require fiction; a non-fiction book is recorded as NONFICTION in the DB regardless if it is one complete text or a collection/anthology of essays and/or reviews and/or interviews (the difference can be noted in the Title notes and for the ones which contain smaller independent pieces, the contents is appreciated if someone wants to type the titles/authors). We also record all art books as NONFICTION (then the contents will be INTERIORART); a collection/anthology of cartoons (if eligible at all) will also be NONFICTION. This specific one is not eligible IMO - the author is not above treshold, the magazine where they were published is not genre (so we cannot even claim that it is a collection of art we already have in the DB (even though that is not technically a reason for a book to be eligible either) so it falls under the "comics, manga and so on" exclusion... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Per above, I rejected your submission, and deleted the publication record. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:14, 6 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Tomorrow Log ==<br />
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What is your source for the inclusion of the essay [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5197607 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:51, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for ''The Devil Takes a Holiday'' ==<br />
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I have put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 this submission], which would change a "sf-encyclopedia.uk" URL to a "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" URL, on hold. As I mentioned earlier, "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" are new and we need guidance from SFE before we can decide what to do with them. It's possible that SFE is in the midst of migrating all of their image URLs as part of a move to "sf-encyclopedia.com". If that is the case, then we may need to change all of our SFE URLs programmatically rather than hunting them done one at a time.<br />
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I have asked their Web admin about this issue and hope to hear from him tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:53, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The software behind yellow warnings has been updated. As before, only links to /clute/, /langford/ and /robinson/ sub-directories are allowed for both sf-encyclopedia.com and sf-encyclopedia.uk. All of their URLs require the currently used "|" syntax. I have removed the hold from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 your submission]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:48, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The First Americans: Beyond the Sea of Ice ==<br />
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What is the source of the date you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5215870 here]. No notes or other information was included with the submission. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:54, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: 1987 first edition on ISFDB has that exact date; this, https://archive.org/details/beyondseaofice00sara, the twentieth printing or so, still has the same 1987 cover art copyright. They used the same art over and over again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Okay, thanks. In the future, if you put that information in the moderator note, that will speed things up. Approved! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:32, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Gray Matter ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5230813 submission] to change the story Gray Matter into an excerpt. Both FictionMags and Locus1 indicate that it is a story. What is your evidence that it was an excerpt from the authors subsequent novel? Is it possible that the story was later expanded into a novel? If the latter, it should probably remain as a story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:37, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/graymatter.htm. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:39, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Magazine Serials ==<br />
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I approved your edits to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957962 Medusa's Head]'' earlier today. However, I removed the links to the scans of the original magazine serials. They really didn't belong in the Appleton publication record as they refer to a different publication of the novel. For example, we don't link to the scans of Burroughs' serializations of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21883 A Princess of Mars]'' in any of its book publications. It would have been OK to add them to the title record. However, a better solution is to add the three issues of Harper's as non-genre magazines and link to the individual scans there. I've done this adding each scan to the appropriate issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Neil deGrasse Tyson ==<br />
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Hi. Just wanted to let you know that there's a bit more involved than changing the author's name as you've submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5237803 here]. Since De Grasse had been chosen as canonical author name, but there are only publications with deGrasse, the canonical name needs to be switched to deGrasse. To do that, the deGrasse titles need to be unvarianted from their De Grasse parent title, parent title is to be deleted, which results in the deGrasse titles being left. Then variant the Portuguese title to the English original (and I've also updated the deGrasse author record with the information available from the De Grasse record), and we're all set. Not sure if this is the most efficient way, but it got it done. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276399 here] - have a look and let me know this is the result you intended. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:56, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: OK. Honestly I've done so many edits since this one I forgot I did it, but since your explanation was complicated and over my head I'm sure it's correct. At least my feeble attempt spurred someone else to do it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:04, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Audrey's Private Haunts ==<br />
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I've put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5258099 this edit] on hold. Please contact the [[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and have him check the title page for that story which is not shown in the Fantlab scans. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:55, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== First Channel ==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5254672 This submission] has been placed on hold as I cannot see where you've asked the two active PVs ([[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and [[User talk:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]]) to verify the publisher name change you want to do. Please invite them to comment here to verify this change. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:32, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Like the Hodgson book below, I barely remember this, but I think I changed it because of the note editor left that says PLAYBOY PAPERBACKS. Also, https://www.ebay.com/itm/233000922106, which says the same on spine and copyright/title pages. I'm tired of contacting people who never respond or respond after a really long time or after they've been in and out of the hospital multiple times, which seems to be a situation shared by many of the mods. I think Chavey was gone for a long time and when he came back and responded to something I wrote him he was unpleasant and it didn't go well. I don't remember anything about the other guy, but I really have lost interest. You can accept the proof in the eBay link or contact them yourself or cancel it, I don't care. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:14, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Seriously, let's try to work together here. You get all offended every time someone asks questions about one of your edits. The vast majority of the time, you're simply misinterpreting the text interactions here as someone being unpleasant to you. We're all trying to work to improve the site, so please start giving others the benefit of the doubt. As for the ebay link, if you had included that in your submission, I wouldn't have asked you about it. As it is, your note to the moderators was "OL ID, fixed publisher". Next time, please include your sources. It makes things go much more smoothly and quickly. Thank you for your future cooperation on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:40, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I don't think I was offended; to be offended I'd have to care. I was merely expressing how hard it is to remember 1 of these edits when I've done hundreds since then. I don't think I even saw that eBay link until a few minutes ago because it was obvious from the logo on the cover and especially the editor's note where they actually said who the publisher is. Your message prompted me to find it, so thanks. Actually, in recent days if a mod has a problem with 1 of my edits I just cancel it rather than bother trying to remember anything, since there's a hundred other edits I could be doing; I'm not sure why I didn't do that in your case; guess I forgot. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:51, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Just a correction; while doing some edits this morning I came across something that jogged my memory; it was Mhhutchins, not Chavey, who was gone for a long time and then was unpleasant to me when he came back. I've spoken to Chavey a few times, judging by a search for my name on his board, and while a little snippy with his answers sometimes has certainly never given me a problem. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:10, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Horrors from Haunted Seas ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5262432 This submission] has been placed on hold because you didn't include any explanation for your edits. You're changing page count without any stated reason, you removed a link to Archive.org which appears to be a valid link. You also removed part of the note which explained the subtitle only appeared on the cover; the Archive.org link you removed seems to support that note. When you make changes like that, you should always include an explanation for your changes. Please provide the explanations here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know; I've done so many edits since this one. I know prior editor entered partial contents years ago and I entered the rest recently, then after it was approved I noticed the page count in the Archive book didn't match ISFDB's so I changed it with a note about differing page counts on different Amazon pages, because prior editor got their info back in 2012 from Amazon which came from 1 of those pages with the wrong page count. I'll just cancel this edit; I barely have any interest anymore to enter new edits, much less go back and try figuring out what went wrong with old ones; what likely happened is I entered the new edit while others were being approved and some info got swallowed up/corrupted, which has happened before. Maybe I'll try to figure out what went wrong and enter a new edit. EDIT: I cancelled old edit and entered a new one. Who knows if everything is right now; it's all so confusing. I wonder now how many of my other edits may have been screwed up after entering them and nobody noticed, sitting there with missing/wrong info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:36, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::The new one has been approved. Thanks for submitting the updated edit. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:43, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Eric Linklater Stories ==<br />
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What are the sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269320 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269390 this]? In both cases, the pub notes state "Only stories reviewed in Bleiler, below, have been listed". With your edits, those notes would not longer be valid. When you make a change to a pub that invalidates the pub notes, you need to also change the pub notes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:17, 27 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Little Green Book of Monster Stories ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5267552 this submission] on hold. I can see that you included this in part of [[User talk:Ofearna#Crossroads|your message]] to Ofearna, but this one has a different publisher (Macabre Ink) that is not mentioned in your discussion. Since you didn't include any useful notes (just "fixed pub."), and your discussion with Ofearna doesn't discuss this specific change from Macabre Ink to Crossroad Press, I don't know why you are changing this one. Please clarify. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: This has been sitting on my edit list for a very long time; I've done a thousand edits since then. I remember that several books entered as by Crossroads were actually by Crossroad, so I fixed those; I must have had a reason to change this one, too, but can't remember anymore, so cancel if you want to. Also, I just changed the other Leodhas collection to an omnibus, but there's a stray Gaelic Ghosts; I don't know if that gets cleaned up or has to be done manually or what. You or someone else may want to look at Leodhas' record after that edit is approved to make sure everything is OK now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:04, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::You really don't need to respond with how you've done a bazillion edits since submitting this (or any other) edit practically any time someone asks you about a specific submission. We all know you're amazing. I'll go ahead and decline this one since you have provided no valid reason for it. If you remember the reason for this one in the future, we can always undecline it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hey Joe, if you're having a bad day that's your problem; don't cop an attitude with me. The reason I mention how many edits I've done is because when someone like you asks me to remember a minor fix like this one it's tough because I've done so many minor and major edits since then remembering something like this isn't easy; if I were like many other editors here who barely contribute or only concentrate on one specific area then I'm sure it's easy to remember, but someone like me who makes edits for countless different areas can't be expected to remember something from weeks ago when one of you finally gets around to approving it. It only stands to reason that in the enormous amount of edits I do every week a few will be dropped here and there; I don't really expect every single one to be approved. Rather than waste my time you and the other mods should be finding out why ISFDB is so slow, both on my laptop and at my local library; maybe those robots that Ahasuerus was talking about recently somewhere that were screwing with the site and making thousands of illegal pings still need fixing. As I've mentioned several times recently, I've been planning to leave here for months but personal/world issues keep getting in the way; if the huge number of edits I still do every week is any indication, imagine how much more I could do if I actually cared anymore. P.S. And yes, I am amazing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::Quality over quantity, pal. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:04, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::Rosab618: Your comment is not helpful. Please refrain from making unproductive comments such as this. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The National Review Treasury of Classic Children's Literature ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5288958 this submission]: I'm in process of updating this record (adding the interior art, etc.) based on the second printing and then I will clone a new record for the second printing. I'm probably won't be able to finish until later today so may look incomplete for awhile. Letting you know in case you come back to it so we don't step over each other. I will also enter Volume 2 that Internet Archive has. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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OK. For such a major anthology the info online is a mess, but there apparently was a Volume 2, https://www.worldcat.org/title/national-review-treasury-of-classic-childrens-literature/oclc/56722009, which they didn't separate properly on WorldCat; the contents for V. 2 start after "The brownies' good work". --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:07, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantômas ==<br />
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Two notes on your edit to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398181 Fantômas]''. The listed LCCN number is legitimate. If you click through, you'll see it returns the correct record. The price as "35 cent." is given in centimes, which is 1/100th of a franc. I've updated the price accordingly. We use francs just as we use dollars for US price given in cents. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mountains and Madness ==<br />
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I'm curious to know why you replaced the cover image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555] with an arguably worse one than that one I scanned and uploaded to ISFDB. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:42, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I saw discussion about this book and discovered the title was different inside the book, so I added note about that, and fixed incorrect date some editor made in the note about the cover art; I suppose, when I found the copy on Open Library, I replaced the cover because that's the copy I got the info from, plus the colors are sharper and likely closer to what the physical book cover would have looked like; but it doesn't really matter, so I just went to the Wiki and replaced OL cover with yours again, so it'll be approved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:15, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Just a Suggestion ==<br />
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When documenting a source, considerer simplifying the audit trail. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219201 Seeing Red] for example. Your note requires knowledge of the internet archive, accessing it, then navigating to the proper page. A link in the webpages can takes the user directly to the information. I'll leave it to you to decide if the note is still necessary. You add a great deal of information, a good audit trail does not require you to remember specific edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deadliest of the Species ==<br />
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I have put this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5305517 submission] on hold temporarily. You need to contact [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Nowickj Nowickj] and ascertain that his publication is the first edition. If it is not, then you should clone and create one. Either way, consider making 'Vox13' the publisher. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Cancelled and redone with just OL ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:15, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:38, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Nail in the Coffin ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303417 Source] please. I'm not doubting the validity of your information. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 23:00, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It's from the Fall 2003 Speculative Literature Issue of Descant, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t71.htm#A3356, which contains nearly 30 stories, most not on ISFDB, plus many essays. I'm not adding a note for this story because that issue should be entered on ISFDB, and there's already way too many notes on ISFDB where editors said where the story first appeared when the publication they first appeared in is right there on the page. I used to delete those, hundreds probably, until a certain moderator complained about it, so I don't do that anymore. If you want to enter that huge issue, be my guest. If not, just cancel my edit. EDIT: I just realized I did add a note, just not where info came from. Ah, forget it. I'll just cancel it; if anyone ever enters that issue they'll know where it came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:30, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: No need to cancel it, I think the statement 'first published' requires a source. We often see where a story was 'previously published', that doesn't necessarily mean it was the first publication. A fine point to be sure.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:09, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?956885 This] is what I had in mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: This notion where a story first appeared was established because this whole thing started not with the first publications (and that you are informed about the notes upon merging titles is a not so very old feature). Hope thatr explains why these do still crop up en masse. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:47, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I've entered the issue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?897388 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Jay Lake story has August note, if you trust that as right month. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:13, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Updated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:29, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Pleasures 2 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5308028 Your submission].<br />
According to the supplied OL link & Amazon.com. The correct publication date is 2003-05-01. Change the publication date not the title date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:42, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I cancelled it and made new edit with just OL ID and replaced cover image; there's no month in the book and no note about where PV, Prof. beard, got it from, or whoever entered it, but since some of the story dates are August the book obviously wasn't published in May; also August here, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t20.htm#A951. But if you want to find him and ask him go ahead, or discuss it on the message boards. Also, me and the person who PV'd this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19457, submitted edits around the same time; you rejected my updating of the date because they'd already done it, but somehow both our cover artist were entered, so you'll have to decide which one can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:08, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: The pub was originally entered correctly by BLongley 2008-12-26. Subsequently the title date was changed. (probably because Amazon shows that date). When Prof beard PV'd the pub, I doubt he even noticed the title date. Regardless, I approved your new submission and added a pub note referencing Locus. Daughter of Darkness is also taken care of. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:48, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Yellow Sign'' introduction date ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5312068 submission] proposes to assign the introduction a date of September 2000, but the publication in which it first appeared is dated July 2000. That dating was done after your submission, and from the pub notes, it appears to be correct. Your submission does not include a source for the September date. I think the current July 2000 date is appropriate and am going to reject the submission, but please review and submit something else if you think July is wrong. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:53, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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I submitted an earlier edit for this book which was approved, and then this one to change the intro to September because it didn't have a month; month entered by earlier editor was wrong, it clearly says July in the Archive copy, so where they got September from is unknown, but whoever worked on this book after me obviously caught the right date on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:17, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== MacGregor[h] in ''Stories from the Near-Future'' ==<br />
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In this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5313022 submission], where did you find the credit as "MacGregor"? The Look Inside TOC shows it as "MacGregorh". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MacGregor on copyright page and search says same on p. 43. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:09, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Many Deaths of Cole Parker ==<br />
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Was the story length [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3039653 here] from the note on the author's website, or some other source? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:19, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: That bookscxyz site I mentioned somewhere here recently has a downloadable .epub and when I printed it out it ran like 130-something pages, or checking the Google Books copy would probably run the same count, but if he mentioned it on his site, too, great. It might even be a short novel, if anyone ever cares to do a word count of the print edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:18, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding partial contents ==<br />
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: You didn't mention which book you're referring to, and honestly hardly anyone ever follows up any edits I do, so I'm basically working solo here; I usually complete my own incomplete entries eventually. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:21, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I didn't mention the publiscation ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391878 Beach Blanket Zombie: Weird Tales of the Undead & Other Humanoid Horrors]), because I went ahead and added the template. I was just reminding you for future reference. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:35, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Long Last Call ==<br />
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Take a second look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5322340 this submission]. Do we really have 2 novels in this one publication? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:34, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: As with many later Leisure books, they added bonus short stories or novellas to the main novel, and in this case while it mentions the bonus novella "Conscience" at the bottom of the cover, ISFDB classifies it as a novel because of page length or whatever the criteria is, so yes, it's 2 novels, with 1 being much shorter than the other. EDIT: Instead of creating new topics I'm just going to mention these here: the Amok cover you rejected because ISFDB doesn't credit designers as cover artists, which I certainly know, doesn't fit with the fact that 3 other Amok editions have that person credited as cover artist, so I assume, as in many cases, the designer also did the artwork. Regardless, it makes no sense to have 1 edition with no cover artist but 3 others with the same cover with a credited cover artist, so it would make more sense to approve my edit or remove the cover credit from the other 3. Also, as with many small-press collections such as Stuart Young's Spare Parts, they include stories from obscure publications not on ISFDB, in this case very many, so I detailed those stories' histories on the main title page of the collection. There's no reason to include the same info for those individual stories in their separate records, and something also went wrong with one of your entries because the edit/edit history buttons are next to the story title instead of all the way on the right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:43, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for alerting me to the problem with 'Face at the Window'. Apparently an angle bracket got inserted into the title, fixed now. Notes regarding a story's publishing history belong in the story title, not a publication title. If I had any reason to look at the publication title record, I would have told you to move them rather than doing it myself. While these stories haven't been nor may never appear in another publication, the notes still belong on the individual titles. My rejection of the Amok cover based on the current PV's note is correct. I have reached out to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] for confirmation before removing the credit from the other three. Ultimately, all will be handled the same. Interestingly, Boskar initially entered the earliest printing, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Stonecreek Stonecreek] edited it and then cloned the other two publications. Focus the 'Username radar' and help me find a word count for 'Conscience'. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Santraí ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326383 This submission]. Why variant/ If they are identical, merge. Perhaps I'm missing something. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Seat of Inspiration ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326387 This submission]. If you look at the copyright page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899761 Eros Interruptus] it credits the earlier printing in 'The Urbanite, #6' as 'Seat of Inspiration'. I think 'Seat of Inspirations' is a typo. Cancel your variant, submit a merge with the above reason in note to mod. post here that it is submitted and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:52, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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On closer inspection, looks like you entered the contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61657 The Urbanite, #6]. If it wasn't a typo, tell me and I'll approve the variant. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:05, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Is it a data entry typo or not? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't think I entered the contents, just the page #'s. Cacek's story titles are a mess, so unless someone can see a copy of that Urbanite issue it's hard to tell what the title was there, so I guess this should be cancelled until someone can verify and merge or variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:24, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Since we aren't sure, the safest course is to variant. We can always merge if a copy surfaces. Your submission is approved. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:37, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Currency Symbols ==<br />
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In the future, please use the correct currency symbols; even in notes like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5328557 this one]. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:48, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I enter additional prices in Notes exactly the way they appear in/on the book, whether that's full or abbreviated country name or currency. If a book actually had an A, C, etc. in front of the price I'd enter it that way, but most don't. The idea is to enter info as it appears originally, not the way we feel it should look like. It's pointless to enter a C in front of a Canadian price when the word Canada precedes it; of course, if I enter a main price in the price field then it needs an A, C, etc. in front of it because those prices are displayed when searching; notes don't show unless someone goes to the specific record for the publication itself. If you like entering those letters in notes, to each their own. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:58, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: If you want to change our policy, feel free to start a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions Rules and standards discussion]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:18, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::This is one of the few cases where we standardize things. Please use the symbols and abbreviations as noted [[Help:List of currency symbols|here]], both in the currency field and in notes. Thank you! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Coal Black ==<br />
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Hi. Why'd you add the image [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337624 here]? Isn't it the same one that was already there? --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:17, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I see your 2 edits in the history and my edit uploading the cover to the Wiki because there's no image on ISFDB-linked sites; the Wiki only has my name as the uploader, but there's been several times recently where I uploaded a new, better cover to replace an old one and it didn't do that because the URL of the image was slightly different than the old URL, and a mod needed to fix everything to make the image go to the right page so it will show up on the book's record. If you uploaded an image it might be on another Wiki page, if that's what you're talking about. The wait times have been getting longer lately for approvals, so there's a lot of cross-editing where an editor enters something and by the time it's approved a self-mod or mod has already entered it themselves. The image is there in the record, so it seems to be OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:33, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
::On the 9th, I added to the record the image you uploaded. (Where did you find it, by the way?) I didn't upload one myself.<br />
::You don't see the image on the Wiki? That's strange. It's there.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:46, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Now that you mention it, I recall that after you asked me where I found it a few days ago (I think it came from here, http://www.alephbet.com/pdf/cat101-web.pdf; searching Google Images for the title and author's last name brings the image up, which is the only one I saw online that looked good, unlike the AbeBooks and Amazon ones), I noticed you made a couple of edits or something similar and I wondered what that was about. The Wiki has my name and a June 9 date, so I think it's that cross-editing thing I mentioned where you approved your edit adding my image from the Wiki to the record and then my edit doing the same was approved. The cover image is there, anyway, so I don't think anything else needs to be done, except adding OCLC ID, 2468107, which you should do since you can approve it. Price is missing, but unless someone finds a copy that will remain empty. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:02, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: There's actually a searchable Google Books copy, and by searching for author's name it showed the back cover which mentioned his place of birth and by searching for "seven dudes" it showed the title on the flap with the price next to it. So I've entered 2 edits for those, and I think everything that can be done for this book has been done now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:20, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rubicon Beach ==<br />
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I've placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337954 this submission] on hold as you haven't followed PV procedures. The only thing that concerns me is the change in price. As the 2 and 7 are not near each other anywhere on the keyboard, it's unlikely it was a typo on the part of the PV, so we need to have them make sure that's the price in their copy. Since this editor hasn't done anything for about a year, please post on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]] so the change can be discussed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Across Paris and Other Stories ==<br />
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I approved your changes, but I question whether [https://img.fantasticfiction.com/images/c0/c1075.jpg this image] is better than the [https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81jw+QokP8L.jpg previous image]. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:09, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I did notice the same thing you did, so it wouldn't bother me if someone reverted or found an even better one; it's not like it's a rare book with a very hard-to-find cover. EDIT: I see now that I added the cover from Fantastic Fiction; 1 OL link has no cover and the other has a bright image but with a sticker on it. So if you're going to replace it you'll have to go to some other site, assuming you're not just going to revert to the old one. What's funny, though, is that the OL page with the stickered cover links to an Archive copy with no jacket while the OL page with no cover links to an Archive copy with the stickered cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasyworld ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13194 Fantasyworld], but I removed the cover art credit since it was just a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Dude, I don't know what happened here, but the Michael Trevillion Fantasyworld credit has no book under it and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5341881, shows I entered the artist's name where it's supposed to be; a few minutes ago the FantLab link was just that, but now that I checked again his picture is there. So I don't know what's up but I entered everything properly as far as I can tell; I don't know what happened after that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:46, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The empty title record has been deleted. The problem isn't how you entered it, but that it is merely a photo and we do not give cover art credit for a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''An Exercise for Madmen'' ==<br />
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I hope the title isn't a commentary on ISFDB activity.... For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340813 this submission], did you mean to remove the Open Library link or only add the WorldCat link? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:26, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My previous edit adding OL ID, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340686, was approved recently but I made another one adding WorldCat ID and, because ISFDB has a problem with multiple entries, the 2nd edit thought I wanted to replace the 1st ID with another one instead of putting it in the next ID field. This has happened many times and I'm sure some info I've entered has been lost because later entries screw up previous ones. Mods or self-mods can approve their edits and then do additional edits but people like me have to wait, sometimes for a long time, for edits to be approved and I don't always remember that I made an edit for a book earlier that hasn't been approved yet. Someone should look into updating the software or whatever so people can make several edits for the same book and have new info added instead of replacing the old info. So yes, both ID should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:37, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I accepted it and restored the OL ID. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:25, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mulengro: A Romany Tale ==<br />
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I approved the edit, but what is page number 'fp' in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193329 publication]? This is not one of the <i>Special designations</i>. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:39, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this on Moderator board, so we'll see what they think. Also, you made an edit after mine, "added link because the link in the previous edit note to moderator was the wrong jpg". It wasn't really the wrong one; I added Gorman's intro and Sproule's frontispiece and the photo shows both of those, so that's why I added it in note to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:47, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: When I followed your link it only showed the frontispiece and the title page. I added the link to the scan of the limitation page to support your note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Lighthouse ==<br />
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Please doublecheck the OL number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347679 this submission]. Are you sure it shouldn't be OL8825435M ? Thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't think so. The OL I added links to an archived copy; ISBN is the same on copyright page, price is the same on front flap, etc. Your OL leads to a record which has no Archive link. I provide OL ID because I don't like linking directly to Archive.org as much (most?) of the non-public domain material isn't really supposed to be there. I do rarely link to a non-archived OL record if there's something on it unusual, but that's not the case here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:16, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== UK prices during decimalization ==<br />
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I'm approving [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347842 your edit] to ''Hands of the Ripper''. However, as mentioned [[User talk:Username#British Books with two prices|above]] that during the period of decimalization, the price field should reflect the pre-decimal (shillings and pence) price. I'll correct your edit accordingly. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:15, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: OK, but the thing is that there are 21 Sphere books from 1971 here, 19 of which have prices, and only 5 of those have the old prices. So other editors weren't sure how to enter them, either. I'll see if I can fix any of them; maybe you can, too, if you wish. EDIT: I remembered this related topic, http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Pre_and_Post_decimal_UK_prices, where others seemed to suggest the opposite was correct. EDIT: I switched old price from note to price field for Pan's 1969 Moon Zero Two after coming across it randomly. I have a feeling there are thousands of others that would need the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rakefire and Other Stories ==<br />
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Will you add a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784806 Rakefire and Other Stories] stating the source of the content? I was able to confirm it but I don't know that you used the same source as I did. Ping here when you submit it and I will immediately approve it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:40, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: There's already a note about data from Amazon and all the story titles and info about each story are there. This looks like a Fixer entry so I wouldn't expect a robot to notice that. If you want to specifically say where they came from you can do that; I don't know if the rule is to credit the reviewer by name, although he seems to have published the same exact lengthy review all over the web. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:46, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I see the review now. Honestly, it never would have occurred to me to look there, I never trust anything people post in those. In this case it is correct. I might tweak the note a bit. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Two Poems from Star*Line, May-June 1990 ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350644 this submission] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350651 this submission] until you get agreement from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hkauderer Hkauderer]. I see your link for one of the submissions. Be patient, he stops by and will answer. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:21, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know what he'd need to agree to, since the link I provided for the first poem shows the part I deleted was a dedication, not part of the poem's title, while the other poem I didn't include a link for is available at several places online as part of a sequence of poems and also clearly shows the deleted part is a dedication and not part of the title, but if you want to wait for him to say it was a mistake, OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:36, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: You are making changes to a verified publication. This verifier is quite familiar with speculative poetry. Obviously, he felt the dedications were part of the titles. It is up to you to reach agreement for any changes. If you don't care to communicate with him, let me know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:01, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: If you say he's familiar, OK. I'll wait; if he agrees, fine, if not, I'll just cancel my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:20, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Author Birthplace ==<br />
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When entering an author's birthplace, please follow [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace these guidelines]. I added UK [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328935 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:49, 5 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Summer Meadows ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5354028 this submission] on hold. The only edition of 'The Summer Meadows' on Google Books is the paperback. That's where I see the $5.95 price using search inside. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: https://books.google.com/books?id=UHxBAAAAIAAJ; I searched for 5.95 and it shows the price. All the early-mid 70's Delacorte books on ISFDB have HC prices the same or slightly lower or higher. Using advanced search here I found no Delacorte PB and the first TP is 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:47, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/UHxBAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0; I'm looking at the record you reference, the format says paperback. Do you want me to ask another mod for a second opinion? I'm not offended. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Click the link I provided; it takes you to a page with a search box under the book's title page. Enter 5.95, and you should see $5.95 in the results, clearly on a book flap. It's a hardcover; As I said above, Delacorte published no paperbacks according to my search on ISFDB, and the first trade paperback was not until 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: You totally ignore what I say, just repeat your previous statement. The only difference between what we are looking at is you are using google classic view and I'm looking at the new view which gives the book details. The new view does have the hc ISBN (044008444X), but format says Paperback. A contradiction. I have released the hold. Another mod can review it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:43, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I keep repeating what I said before because you're not getting what I'm saying. Delacorte, the publisher of The Summer Meadows, published zero paperbacks, or at least there are none on ISFDB. If you check Delacorte books on ISFDB you will see that all books published around the same date as this book are all hardcovers and all have the same price as this book or a little lower or higher depending on the page count or inflation or whatever. If there was a paperback edition of this book it would have a much lower price than $5.95, because mass-market paperbacks usually didn't cost nearly that much back then. And if the Google copy was a paperback then the price wouldn't be on a flap, it would be on the front or back cover like most paperbacks. Just because Google Books is confused doesn't make a difference; they're a huge mess just like every other book-related website, and have tons of wrong info. And the page I saw when I clicked your link looks completely different than the one I linked, and it says paperback on it, which mine doesn't, so I don't know what exactly you're looking at; maybe if you look at this, https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22the+summer+meadows%22, you'll find the same page I did. I'll mention this on the community board so this can be resolved quickly instead of waiting around for someone to get to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:59, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Requested report ==<br />
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You asked if there is a way to find the publications which have 'fp' in the page field. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Ahasuerus Ahasuerus] has modified the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] to accomplish this for you. The report will be available tomorrow morning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:08, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unreals ==<br />
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I see you changed the format from tp to hc for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?478332 The Unreals]. I saw your note quoting the statement from the book. How do you explain Open Library, Google Books and Amazon all calling this a paperback? Also. here are two sale listings [https://www.ebay.com/itm/185393521738?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1mrjO3bUxRxePYbhCuSW-yA20&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=185393521738&targetid=4581046489808873&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=418640322&mkgroupid=1239149842233245&rlsatarget=pla-4581046489808873&abcId=9300602&merchantid=51291&msclkid=77a6ba70a29e1f86e16cd8a01b0aa24e ebay] and [https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-unreals_donald-jeffries/1355990/?resultid=6265ae6a-69c8-40fd-998c-523871d7abc7#edition=5550403&idiq=33525694 thriftbooks] which both state the format is paperback. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't see your name in the edit history, so I'm not sure why you're so upset, but we here at ISFDB go by what the book says, and it says "hardcover". If anyone ever gets their hands on a physical copy with that ISBN and it turns out to really be a trade paperback it can always have the format changed back with a note saying the publisher made a mistake in their own book; it would hardly be the first time that's happened. Nothing online or in reference books is gospel; I've fixed countless mistakes that came from every one of those sources you mentioned. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:13, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Whether I'm on the edit history or not is irrelevant. Also, I'm hardly upset. I merely question the change. Do you really think it likely that both the sellers are also mistaken about the format? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:22, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's relevant because you didn't enter the format as TP, someone else did; if you were a PV then you'd know for sure if it's a TP. Also, I've seen many, many auctions where the seller just copied info from online but the photos of the book showed something different. As I said, the only way to verify this is finding a physical copy, and if it's really a TP reverting the format and adding an appropriate note. Then the question will be if there's a HC edition out there somewhere, or if the publisher scrapped plans to release one but forgot to change their copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:28, 15 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Internet Archive services ==<br />
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Hi, Concerning your latest note [[User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive]], and the preceding, and some other 2022 contributions here at ISFDB Wiki, let me ask a general question: How do you use Archive.org for viewing protected content in "recent" books? Is it an institutional privilege (<s>such as I may have here, sitting inside a major university library building, a novelty for me in the last 30 months</s><font color=green>not this institution</font>)? <br />
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Or do you use this service which is available to everyone, or everyone in the USA or somewhere, with a "free account"?<br />
: | Log In and Borrow v | Renewable every hour, pending availability | (i)<br />
I suppose it is this widely available free service that you have in mind, for ISFDB users who will make use of the "archive.org" publication webpage to view or even print illustrations. Right?<br />
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Or something else (although the one hour will be adequate for many ISFDB data gathering purposes)?<br />
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For books with protected content I have used only the "Limited preview // Some pages are omitted." In my experience that shows several opening leaves only. Even the back and back inside bookcover or dustjacket is omitted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:07, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, there's a blue "borrow for 1 hour" button after you sign up which lets you view the entire book, and, if nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep clicking that button in case you need more than an hour. In this case, there's a weird black cover when you search for the book, but as soon as you turn to the first page the real cover is revealed, which doesn't look like the one already on ISFDB, even though the publisher is the same. I tend to stay away from these kids' books because they reprinted many of them so often it's hard to tell which edition is which, but you seem to have done some research judging by your notes, so I thought it would help in fixing some of it or adding more. Looking at it, the first thing I notice is that the page count is actually 76, not 75, because the last page of the story is unnumbered, so that's 1 thing to start with. I also see that the NY Times review of the 1942 edition cost $2, while this Archive edition has a $2.75 price, so it's not the original but probably not the 1972 edition on ISFDB because books cost more by that point. It's also an ex-library edition, and the first date stamped on the card at the back is '55, so that should help in narrowing down the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:23, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your notes on ''The Doll'' which I will consider later. I do have good access to historical newspapers and magazines, in my air-conditioned university library station --where I sit today but I have barely visited in 30 months.<br />
::: Back to the technical matter. Last hour I enrolled at Archive.org using email address and password and I borrowed ''The Eerie Book'' 1981 edition P{{p|487344}} for one hour. Today unable to give it much time, after one hour I did learn [a] what happens when/as time expires. <br />
::: [b] What do you make of this, at ''The Eerie Book'' 1981? Upon borrowing I learn there are 224 images, presumably 1 to 224 ... Now I visit what appears to be the back inside jacket flap, as "218 of 219"! Flip the page and see image "224" and last! That one doesn't look as I expect from the back bookcover or dustjacket. How do you interpret these last two images "218" and "224"? <br />
::: Today that's all I had time to view. But, yes, I do have the one-hour privilege now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Answer to your question concerning total no of pages ==<br />
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See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5379858 here for your question] - Answer: no, the same rules apply for all languages - looks like someone counted the three pages of advertisements and stuff. I've corrected the page no's to 157. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:59, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deathbringer ==<br />
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Per your note to moderators in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5376099 this submission]: Search on ISBN came up with the cover for the 2nd edition - see [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30257088918&cm_sp=det-_-bsk-_-bdp]. Very difficult to read, but I'm fairly sure ISFDB cover scan of the first edition says 2246 in the right margin of the cover, whereas the AbeBooks scan says 2562 for the 2nd edition (same price for both editions, it seems) Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:47, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Quintet ==<br />
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Hello. Can you provide source for these two (related) edits: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380430], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380431]? Thanks!<br />
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: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31459; Don Erikson, the long-gone PV of the edition with the wrong cover credit, was one of the most common enterers of wrong info here; I can't count how many of his old edits I've had to correct. In this case, it's clear the Eggleton art is only on the Book Club edition while all the Tor editions use the same art, so I removed the wrong art credit and then imported the right one (Erikson also PV the Tor HC, so I assume he was just confused when he added the wrong info to the PB). There's no source, it's just a mistake I'm correcting, unless I'm missing something. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:57, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Oh, I see. Approved. (I may have to stop reviewing and approving submissions for today... :). Thanks, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:27, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:34, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Please revert edit for Kingsbane ==<br />
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Would you please revert this edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5381259] and remove the LCCN from External IDs? The note specifically says there is no valid LoC record which is why it doesn't belong as an external ID. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:19, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Not online, or not at all? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:39, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::My only LoC validation source is the LoC online lookup but I would think that should be sufficient. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:26, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5382526 this submission]. I don't see any attempt to contact the PV. The notes clearly state that the publication date is from a secondary source (Amazon.com). I have no problem with editing the disambiguation of the 'Author's Note' if you wish to resubmit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MLB, as has been mentioned many times on these boards, has told me to just fix any minor mistakes because he made so many of them in his PV over the years that it's a waste of time contacting him about all of them. Also, most paperbacks wouldn't have the day of publication, Amazon uses the first day of the month when they don't know the exact date (could be the month before or after), and there's a later printing on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/quantumleapindep0000peel, that says August on the copyright page. MLB wrote about both Amazon and the copyright page in his note, so I assume he just forgot to fix the date based on the actual book instead of Amazon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:24, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Of course, the actual publication does not give the day. That is the reason MLB added the note. (OL also agrees). If the date is changed, then the August 1 date should be incorporated into the note. For ex: "Publication date 1996-08-01 per Amazon.com as of 2012-10-15'. I hate to throw away data. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:43, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Amazon has always had a habit, when they don't really know the publication date, to just use -01- for the day; OL's info is often just copied straight from Amazon. The book's date is on the copyright page, August 1996. The only reason to include Amazon's date is if the book wasn't available, but it is, because he PV it, and there's an Archive.org copy. If the book was one of those that listed the day in the date, and there are some (usually small-press) books that do, or a later printing that mentions the exact date of the earlier printing(s) then the day could be justifiably entered, but that's not the case here. You can ask about this on the boards if you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:55, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::Books rarely give the <b>actually day</b> that a book is printed. The date that you see on Amazon is the date that the book arrives, I think, in inventory. Compare dates, page count, and prices, with Barnes & Noble. You can find minute differences. If you want, just make minute changes when you need to. Besides, my brother, who was a fan of the show, absconded with a number of my <i>Quantum Leap</i> books, so I may not even have that book anymore. Typos are my kryptonite, thanks for paying attention. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:MLB MLB], thanks for chiming in. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:18, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Toast ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/toast_stross/mode/2up this archive.org link] is not for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247813 2006 tp edition]. No page numbering, number of pages is incorrect, no cover illustration. This is most likely an e-book, self published by the author. I removed the link from my verified pub. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:46, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it is by the author, as he explains in a note following the copyright page. It's also the only edition of Toast on Archive.org, and it does have the same ISBN as the 2006 TP and is the only expanded edition, and hardly anyone knows it's there judging by the fact that it was uploaded in 2015 but there's still less than 1,000 views, so I figured the best place to put it would be in your edition, but apparently not. So now I'll just put it in the title record; the most important thing is allowing people to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:09, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication Links to scans ==<br />
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Please don't remove links to other scans when adding new scans, unless the original links are no longer active. I know that you prefer Open Library links to links directly to the Internet Archive, but that is no reason to overwrite existing links that have been previously added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The Archive links I replaced were all added by me; if someone else had added them then I would have left them alone. The Luminist PDFs I've been adding lately are all fully readable and printable, unlike the Archive copies, unless you have a 14-day pass or whatever is needed, and then they encrypt them and people complain about them all the time and so on. It's fine with something like Dalby's Ghosts For Christmas, where I noticed that you approved my edit replacing Archive link with Luminist PDF and then added Archive link back immediately afterwards, since there's a slight possibility that the Luminist site might disappear off the web and the only readable copy would be on Archive, but I disagree with putting back those lousy Dark Shadows Archive links with their menu and Jane Austen URL that has nothing to do with the books themselves, but if you and other mods feel like adding all of those dozens of Archive links back, so be it. EDIT: I see you just approved my edit replacing the 2 Google Drive links (that I added some time ago) for The Elemental and the Ace Double containing the infamous how-long-is-it? Falcons of Narabedla, that Luminist used to use for many of their books, with the PDFs that they've converted most of their books into, and then added back the old Google Drive links, anyway. Seems pointless, but whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:00, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Infinity Three ==<br />
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I accepted your submission adding this publication by mistake, so I deleted it. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18237 Here] is the existing record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:34, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Your question on image replacement ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5394627 this submission], you stated "I replaced the wrong cover image, which has the old edition's info on the side, with the correct cover with info on the top, but I had to replace it here because, as has happened several times before, the uploaded cover didn't go to the same page as the old uploaded cover, so if moderator wants to contact somebody and ask them to fix that it would be great" This behaviour you observed is a consequence of copying publication records to create another printing and/or edition. As a consequence, the image URL is also copied, but continues to point to the original cloned record. The only solution to fix this problem is either to go to the cloned record and update the image there, or, if the intent is to replace with a correct image, then you need to do what you've done here, and upload a new cover image and update the corresponding pub record. As far as I can tell, there's not much that can be done about this without significantly changing the software's behaviour. Hope this clarifies. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:42, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: OK, but the last several times this happened one of the long-time mods, maybe JLaTondre or Ahasuerus, said they fixed it so it pointed to the right page. I don't know what they did, but I doubt it was just replacing it in the record, or maybe it was, who knows. I left that message simply because I was tired of leaving a message on the boards every time this happened and wanted either the original uploader or the mod who approved the edit to take care of it. In the future I'll just replace it in the book's record, although that still means, I think, that the old wrong cover still has a page on the Wiki somewhere. Also, why is the word "behaviour" in your message flagged as a wrong spelling, with a red underline? The mods' names have it, too, which is logical because they're not actual words, but shouldn't spellcheck recognize British spelling? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:09, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Indeed, the old cover has still a page on the wiki - however, if no pub record points to it anymore, eg because they have been replaced with another one, it doesn't really matter if it does, right? You can ask a moderator to cleanup these orphan picture uploads, but not sure myself if that's really needed or expected.<br />
::As far as I understand it, if your system is set up to check US spelling, then it does that, and only that. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:52, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Thirteenth Ghost Book ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5402720 this submission]. Since there aren't any pages with Roman numerals, the Pages field should remain unchanged. The page number for the 'Editor's Preface' should be 7. (not bracketed). I see that the table of contents shows vii for the page number. However, from the first bullet point under [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles Regular Titles] Page -"Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." Resubmit and I'll approve. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:25, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A word on the use of <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - if you happen to know that not all spec fic content has been added to a publication (as you mentioned in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5408632 this submission]), then you can use the <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template in the notes field (unless you plan on adding them right after in a subsequent edit, of course ;)). That'll allow cleanup reports to list these pubs. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I've been told that before, but when I used to do that, sometimes, the contents were almost never entered by anyone until I eventually ended up doing it at some point, so it's a waste of time; most of the people here don't really care about helping with anything that doesn't interest them personally, and even if they did many of the editors/moderators are very reluctant to help me with anything because I'm not a sycophant and don't let them bully me, or they're still mad about some sarcastic comment I made a year-and-a-half ago, so they ignore anything with my name on it, as can be seen by the hundreds of messages I've left on the boards since 2021, when I started editing, that have never been answered. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::''I'm'' interested in the incompletes. It would be useful if you would add it. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:37, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Highgate Vampire ==<br />
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It seems to me that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5406724 The Highgate Vampire] is SHORTFICTION, not an ESSAY. I find it strange that Manchester should write an ESSAY on his own story (albeit not impossible). Do you have evidence elsewhere that this should be converted? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Because the edit of mine you approved recently containing Highgate Vampire includes a link to the Coronet copy on R. Dalby's site, and the photo of contents page says 4 new vampire stories or something similar, and that title is not in that section, it's in the essay section. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:11, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: OK, thanks for the explanation. I've approved it. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:46, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Narrator template ==<br />
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Please use the <nowiki>{{Narrator|}}</nowiki> template in audio publications. I'm sure you saw where I have added it to some of your edits. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Exotic Gothic: Forbidden Tales From Our Gothic World ==<br />
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When some of the page numbers are not visible/readable but the order of the stories is (such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here], use piped numbers tied to the story before and after the missing numbers to keep the order of the titles in the publication. I added the two missing numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here]. When you leave some stories without any numbers while others have page numbers, they float to the top of the list, before the preface in this case. This way the order is preserved and visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:39, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: That's a deliberate choice; I'm the one who almost always eventually finds somewhere that shows the missing numbers and then fills them in, with a few very rare cases where some other person finds them and deigns to fill them in themselves, hopefully actually letting me know they did that so I don't think they're still missing, which they usually don't and I just stumble on the completed record some time in the future. So it makes it easier to know which are missing if they're all bunched at the top rather than having to look through sometimes very long contents lists to find them, hoping that I actually catch them all. You added the pipes to this one, however, so whatever, who cares, nothing matters anymore. WorldCat's new site is a mess, Amazon has completely changed their site for the worse, Fantastic Fiction doesn't show Amazon covers anymore because of those changes, and our site's move to a new server has been a total nightmare, with bugs galore and spam messages outnumbering the real ones. Not to mention another world war is in the offing, which will make this whole thing moot because internet service will be gone and nobody will be using ISFDB, anyway. Thanks for adding those pipes, though. :) EDIT: Turns out there's a snippet copy on Google, typed the titles, found the numbers, so now they're complete once edit's approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. The point stands though - if we know the order, we use pipes to make the publication page as presentable as possible. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:05, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== How to Survive a Fire at the Greenmark ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5417773 this submission], as there was another title record involved. A merge produces [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2365084 this title record]. It was easier for me to just do it, rather than have you redo your submission. Thanks for catching this, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tell-Tale Heart ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?915136 This] publication appears on the exception report because it is lacking the content title. You have marked it juvenile. Is that because of the publisher or did you see it stated somewhere? I looked at [https://archive.org/details/william-castle-telltale-heart] and [https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/hanna-barbera-does-the-tell-tale-heart/]. Initially, I imported the regular title, but reversed it pending your input. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:48, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it's part of a cartoon series, cartoons are for kids, especially older cartoons like Hanna-Barbera's; if it was Adult Swim or something that would be different, but pretty much everything H-B did was marketed to kids. EDIT: Also, I imported it myself, but it's currently waiting in a 330-edit list of mine, so you don't have to import anything, it'll be accepted sometime in the near future. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: You submission is approved. <Strike>Please do two more things. First, merge the duplicated CHAPBOOK title records (check for duplicates in the publication Editing Tools: menu)</strike> Please use the narrator template, <nowiki>{{Narrator|William Castle}}</nowiki>, rather than straight text. When(if) we make narrators their own record, it will be easier to implement. Post when you submissions is in the queue and I'll approve them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Approved, Thank you [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:57, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Writings in Horror and the Supernatural, Vol. 2 ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422611 this submission] and resubmitted it without the change to the title record. The three title records (anthology, and two content titles) incorrectly credited to an alternate name were fixed via merges. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23815 Here] is the final result. Thanks for finding this. If anything is not clear, ask. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evocations ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422619 this submission]. What is the source for the contents? Are you planning on submitting the remaining titles? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:33, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Probably Amazon Look Inside or Scribd, I don't remember, it's been so long, that's why mods should unfreeze the notes box so editors can add info like that when importing titles. Maybe this: https://thebookloversboudoir.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/book-review-evocations-by-james-brogden/; and no, I only imported stories already on ISFDB, since I don't know how the other stories are titled in the print book, online info being unreliable at best, and I don't have a copy to check. If a copy ever shows up on Archive or somewhere then I can enter the rest, assuming I'm still doing this by then. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add a note citing Look inside and the <nowiki>{{Incomplete}}</nowiki> template. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:55, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Venus, the Lonely Goddess ==<br />
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Re; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425887 this submission]. The title page shows 'The Lonely Goddess' as the subtitle. Shouldn't the title be 'Venus: The Lonely Goddess' to comply with our standards? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:28, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, I think you're right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: If you resubmit, I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:38, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Just approve it and I'll do another edit adding the colons; there's other info in that edit besides just the change of title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbooks and title level fields ==<br />
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Please be careful when adding chapbooks. In general the flags such as novelization don't apply. Also links should only be added if they apply to the publication. If you're trying to add a link or a novelization flag they belong on the SHORTFICTION that you are adding. After the new chapbook edit is approved, you can add them on the newly created SHORTFICTION title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:32, 3 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing author/artist names in publications. ==<br />
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Please remember that when you change an author's name inside a publication the publication or title records are the only record for that author, it is better to ask the moderators to change the name in the author record as to preserve any other data in the author record. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5437438 this edit] removes the last reference to Arnid Johnston. The existing record includes the author's legal name which will be lost when that record is deleted as a result of the edit. You had one other edit that I approved today that had a similar issue. I'll go ahead and approve and update the new record with the former record's legal name. However, it's best to correct these sorts of errors in the author record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:10, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Heart-Beast'' cover URLs ==<br />
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Would you take a look at {{P|16664|Heart-Beast}}? Your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433424 submission], which I accepted, seems/seemed to have an m.media-amazon.com Amazon cover URL in it that the software didn't like. Accepting the submission further seems to have ignored it, because the pub record has an images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com URL (to a poorer quality image, but it's the same cover). And I know you've been on a bit of a mission to change m-media.amazon.com links to images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com links for stability reasons. So I'm a bit confused about what's up, I sort of doubt you would have changed something from images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com, and I suspect the URL in the record is what we want and not the URL seen in the submission. That is what we have at the moment, anyway. If you think something should be different, let me know and submit whatever is appropriate, and I'll follow up. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:56, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It is not the m-media.amazon.com that is an issue (it is an exact mirror of images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com so every image on one of them exist under the same name on the other - if we decide not to use m-media.amazon.com, these can be swapped behind the scenes although a lot of the new images coming in are using m-media.amazon.com so it may be a losing battle). The problem in this one is that it is an /images/G/ image and those have their ".L" after a dot - which is caught into the check for formatting so you see this error unlike the cases with the /P/ images where it shows the "these are not /I/ images warning -- the current software can only show 1 warning per field. We do not know how stable /G/ are - I think these may be the old user images which may mean that a user can delete them at their whim. The only ones we know to be stable are the images in /images/I/ so that warning is there for anything that is not in the /images/I/ space in Amazon. It can be ignored for spaces we do not know much I suspect (such as /G/) but if a better image is found over in /I/, it will be better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:44, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Hi. Yes, I understood the warning. What I didn't/don't understand is why that submission's URL did not "take" when I accepted the submission. I'm suspecting that submission didn't actually try to do anything with the URL, and the desired image is the one currently linked (and not on m-media.amazon.com). I didn't want to contravene anyone's intentions by trying to "fix" it, so I thought I'd ask. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:38, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Extended Play'' and "A Night in Tunisia" ==<br />
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Hi. Just FYI, I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433436 this submission]. The primary verifier had completed the contents in a submission made the day before, and "A Night in Tunisia" was already in the contents when I went to process this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:41, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Italian books ==<br />
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A few notes:<br />
: When adding Italian books, the NILF number (the digits at the end of fantascienza.com's IDs which follow the "NILF" prefix) goes into the external IDs, not in the links. <br />
: "digest" is not one of the formats we use for books (it is defined only for magazines) - we use either pb or tp for paperbacks. <br />
: The Translator goes into the title note, not the publication note (or in both if so you prefer but it is required on the title level). <br />
All 3 were fixed post approval [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918597 Operazione: Sterminio] and I also created the variant while I was around. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: A few more notes: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5646; 2 novels entered by other editors as "digest"; 2 records which have the translator in the publication note (and without using the translator template), 1 of which also has the translator in the title note and 1 of which doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:49, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: So they need cleaning up and fixes. As you had probably realized by now, there are a lot of things in the DB that need fixing. Some of them are because of changed rules through the years (the older the record, the more likely is that it was added under different rules and practices), some of them are because of incomplete sources or human mistakes and some of them are simply because the editor did not check the rules and applied their own logic. We try to keep to the rules with new entries and current updates; when time permits, older stuff gets also cleaned up. It is the nature of collaborative projects which survive as long a ours. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yeah, I know there's lots of things that need fixing because I've fixed thousands of them. I'll fix these because like so many others if I don't they'll never get fixed, with many of my fixes being for mistakes that have been in the edit history since 2006-2007 when public editing first started; most of the current editors and moderators have abandoned anything except modern e-books, leaving hundreds of thousands of pre-e books and magazines to oblivion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library OL and archive.org ==<br />
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Once again (User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive) I do have an account with password to Borrow rather than merely Preview. <br />
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How do you use OpenLibrary.org and Archive.org in conjunction, for research?<br />
And when hope to add Webpage at archive.org, or External ID "OL....", for others to follow? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:22, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Are there books with a Preview available, which are not available for anyone to Borrow? (maybe equivalent to Not in the Library) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:57, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm no expert, but the relation between OL and Archive seems to be messy; there are books that show up on OL that don't on Archive even though the previewable copy is an Archive book, there are Archive books that don't show up on OL, books on OL but not on Archive often have a blue borrow unavailable tag at the top, trying to borrow something for 14 days using the pull-down menu next to borrow for 1 hour gives you epub or pdf links which only download some ASIM thing that you're supposed to use with some kind of Adobe reader or something and don't let you print anything from them, etc. I gather from messages on the site that Archive used to be much better about letting people borrow material for longer periods until they got complaints about copyrighted material on their site and switched to the 1 hour thing. So I'd say search for whatever you're looking for on both OL and Archive and, as long as nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep renewing the 1 hour thing endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:00, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Doolittle ==<br />
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Would you consider this pub record still be corrupt (as per the notes), after [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5444256 your edit]? If not, I suggest removing that note. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:26, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Going by the edit history it seems Pwendt wrote it, so I left them a message asking to remove it if they think it needs to be now, after my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Mahood ==<br />
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FYI. You've submitted a couple of edits crediting Frank Mahood as artist - however, he's the jacket designer, which does not imply he's the artist. We do not record designers as artists (unless it's very clear he/she is). That info goes into the notes instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:09, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Talisman ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472 The Talisman]; I think we should go ahead and change the publisher to 'Constable'. Also, clarify in the publisher record that it is now an imprint of Hatchet via Little, Brown and Company. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:15, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I think so; best ask a mod first, but remember it's Hachette, not Hatchet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:52, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Pardon my typo in the above post. If you prefer another mod than me, feel free to solicit one. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dude, I don't care at all. I thought it would be best to ask before making a major change like that, as I've been chastised many times for changing stuff. If you're a senior mod go ahead and change it on your own without asking anyone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:16, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Giesbrecht / Geisbrecht ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5449569 submission] fixes the title but also changes Jennifer Giesbrecht to Jennifer Geisbrecht, which would be a new author record. The Look Inside for the paperback edition of ''Thirteen: Stories of Transformation'' show it as the former spelling in the TOC, on the back cover, and in the interior (although it does not show the interior ones). Searching for "Geisbrecht" found one hit in the interior but does not show it. Is that spelling change a typo or intentional? It looks like her name is actually "Giesbrecht" (see her [https://jennifergiesbrecht.carrd.co/ website]). If there is a credit in there spelled "Geisbrecht", since the book also has credit(s) with the correct spelling, I think we'd be best off assuming it's a typo, using the correct spelling for the credit, and recording the discrepancy and in-publication sources of each of the spellings in the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:43, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You're probably right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:45, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Oh, I see from your later submission that you found it on archive.org. I took a look, and in that copy, it's "Giesbrecht" in the TOC, on the copyright page, and on the back cover, while it's Geisbrecht on the story title page and the running titles. I guess it's safest to document it with the misspelling make a variant. At least there's reasonable provenance that they're the same person.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:56, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heat ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5459602 this submission]: is there a particular reason why you want to remove the Reginald-3 reference from the External IDs list? In error perhaps? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:18, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I noticed this edit was on hold, and knew I wouldn't have removed anything (I'm the one who added this edition in the first place), and looking at edit history now, I see RTrace added the Archive.org link, which I tried to add, on 11/02, so I can only assume that my edit, being in the queue for so long, resulted in the LCCN ID I also tried to add conflicting with the Reginald-3 ID he added (he adds a whole lot of those). So the only thing needed now is the LCCN ID, so I'll cancel my old edit and make a new one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! - and yes, the queue is horrendous atm :( [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 13:16, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum 5 ==<br />
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We don't change the title of a PVed book without a verification by the PV when we have an active PV (and we do not change the title without a note when there is a PV at all): they may be holding a slightly different book or they may confirm the change but in all cases, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484232 this] cannot be approved without a check with the verifier. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:59, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: The same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484204 Spectrum 4] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:00, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484207 Spectrum 3]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:01, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Just a suggestion ==<br />
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Rather than 'fixed title' in your moderator notes, consider an explanation of what you are changing. Make it easy for the pv to see what you did. In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5465175 this] example, 'removed series from publication and cover art titles'. Up to you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:00, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Carnage Road ==<br />
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Re: your note to moderator. I agree the date should be April 2012. However, MLB has deemed the 'The Author' as significant by creating a title record so the Pages field must include those in the count. I suggest submitting an edit for the date and notifying MLB. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:13, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Theatre of Timesmiths ==<br />
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You were correct there was a problem with this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50893 publication]. It had the wrong title record. It was originally entered as 'A Theatre of Timesmiths'. When the publication title was changed, the title record was not. The way to fix it was to import the correct title record and remove the incorrect one. Unfortunately, after I fixed the publication, I meant to reject your variant submission, but approved it by mistake (subsequently fixed). Great job finding this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:17, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Drummer Boy ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5466669 this submission], Amazon says HC, can you provide the source for your edit? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:45, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mischief-Makers ==<br />
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Hello, I have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5472517 your submission] on hold as I couldn't find spec fic elements at cursory glance. Can you provide evidence these belong into the database? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:10, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Shirley Jackson, Joan Aiken, Alan Garner, Richard Parker, Joseph Payne Brennan are all on ISFDB, so should be imported, and I suspect if anyone wants to read the other stories some of them would be genre, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:29, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Re. Mr Ho ==<br />
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Re. your minor [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5464886 edit] for the story "Mr Ho" in 'Tales from the Fragrant Harbour', I'm trying to establish via the publisher Keith Brooke if "Mr Ho" has a period in the title or not, as this may affect whether we need to variant. (my own copy is thousands of miles away and currently inaccessible). Will get back to you on this soon when I hear from Mr. Brooke. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:36, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Keith Brooke has advised me the story appears without a period in his Infinity Plus edition, so I've added a variant that does include a period for your PS edition. Your original edit will need to be rejected. I've also put the stories in your ebook edition in the (very likely) same order as the tp edition; if there are any differences you would need to re-order them. All done, thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 06:58, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadow Games and Other... ==<br />
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Hi. I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481414 Shadown Games and Other Sinister Stories of Show Business] that you've submitted should be flagged as non-genre (can't find any spec fic elements, but who knows?). Do you agree?<br />
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Also, I tend to discourage adding non-genre titles, even for well known gene authors, but your mileage may vary. Ed Gorman is a corner case where you could argue he is 'above the threshold', so I leave it to you to decide to keep this non-genre(?) title in or not. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:28, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481798 Farewell, Fond Dreams]. Didn't check thoroughly, but doesn't seem genre to me. Or is it? (this author definitely shouldn't have any non-genre titles in the database). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:39, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: All of the contents in Gorman's book are on ISFDB, the full-length novel and the stories; looking into this led me to discover that the novel has both editions on Archive.org so I've added links to each and created a record for the Leisure edition which for some reason was never entered here. The Gordon collection includes his ISFDB poem, a couple of short stories on ISFDB, and a couple of those many Exhibition stories, so yes, it belongs here; I suspect if anyone were to read the rest of that pretentious nonsense they'd probably find that some of the other contents are genre, too. EDIT: I'm the one who entered The Haunted Gay but it got errored out which led to it being a stray, which has only happened to me once before, so I asked about it and was told what to do, but it took so long to get approved that a few days ago somebody named Zapp must have seen my message and fixed it, although he added ASIN which doesn't make sense for such an old book, but whatever. Now the Edit History only shows Zapp, so my discovering and entering this rare book will go uncredited, which has happened to me several times recently. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, thanks. Both approved (I didn't import contents though. If you could take care of that?) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 03:53, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::I imported into Gorman's book but as I said Giles Gordon's book probably contains other genre SS so someone can read it and then decide what to do, import and add new ones, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Five Jars ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486580 your edit] I noticed that you left the US edition at 1922-00-00. Now, that's a bit awkward because the UK edition clearly states "First published October, 1922", but whether that refers to the UK edition only, or both UK and US editions, I wouldn't know. Any suggestion on how to treat this ? Re-date US edition to 1922-10-00 as well, with note that it possibly could have been published at a later date (but still 1922)? (author is British, so presumably the UK edition is leading(?)). Thanks, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:MagicUnk, the US edition should remain 1922 unless we have a source for the month. If we want to speculate on the date, that can be added to the pub notes, but we shouldn't change the date itself. There is no issue with having the title date be more specific than some of the pub dates if we know the first appearance. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:32, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, will approve. Not sure if username can dig up more details on the pub date of the US edition. ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:54, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Uploading ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5487303 here]: The cover uploading did go to the right page. The issue was the previous link was to an image for a {{P|189937|different edition}}. Someone either forgot to remove the image when they cloned the record or reused the image with the incorrect assumption it was the same. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:29, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== J. J. Ace & Nick Aires are (not) alternate names... ==<br />
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I have your submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485961], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485964] on hold as I doubt that J.J. Ace is an alternate name for Nick Aires. The only link between the two I could find is the reference to Andreychuk (by Bill Longley) here: {{a|J. J. Ace}}. No source given. The 'About the Author' in [https://archive.org/details/judgmentday00acej/page/300/mode/2up Judgment Day] reveals that J.J. Ace may be an alternate name for {{a|James Richey}} (or not). Can you dig up more substantial evidence to link both Ace and Aires? If not, I'll remove the legal name from J.J. Ace's record, and move it to the note and state that it is doubtful that Andreychuk is his legal name. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:55, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Hour of the Cyclops ==<br />
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Hi once more. Concerning these submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485522], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485520], statement in the notes of one of the verified publication says 'Exerpt of shoft story "Hour of the Cyclops" '. Nevertheless, you've added the story without the '(excerpt)' modifier. Do you have source/evidence it's not an excerpt, but the actual short story itself? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Because it's the exact same text, starting and ending with the same lines, as the online-readable story on 3LBE, which was its original publication. Whoever entered the "excerpt" note was unaware of that, it seems, and it also seems most people are unaware that they reprinted the story, which used to only be available in the original limited edition, in these later editions, since the book doesn't include the story on the contents page and so websites that list the contents miss it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. Also, don't forget to check on earlier messages on your talk page (there can be multiple) ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Planetfall ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5490780 this submission]: This seems like a story written in Planetfall setting and not a novelization of the game. The front page says "an authentically new adventure in the bestselling world of Planetfall." The description on the back does not sound like the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetfall video game]. Let me know if I'm missing something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:22, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hard to say; some Infocom-related sites call it a novelization, like https://yois.if-legends.org/salesinfo.php?id=1265, and http://www.locusmag.com/index/t168.htm and https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/planetfall do, too. But https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/Planetfall says, "Arthur Byron Cover wrote a novel for Planetfall and Stationfall though they're set after the games with similar events happening again", so it's hard to say. Technically it's not and neither is the sequel, so uncheck the novelization boxes, I suppose. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:05, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Editing records with primary verifications. ==<br />
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Another moderator contacted me about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5491318 this submission] that you made to change the title of a publication for which I have a primary verification. As has been mentioned before, our etiquette is to contact the active verfiers '''prior''' to submitting an edit unless it falls under one of the exceptions specified on the verifier's talk page. In my case, that is for adding a missing cover image, or adding notes. Changing the title does not fall into those exceptions. Please refrain from making further edits to records with primary verifications until after you have contacted the active primary verifiers first. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:33, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Well, you didn't enter the title as it appears on the copyright page, Year's Best Weird Fiction, Vol. 1, but you also didn't enter it as it appears on the title page (there's no comma) nor did you enter it as is standard on ISFDB for series anthologies with subtitles, adding a colon between the title and the subtitle, so it's hard to figure out what you intended to do. As you told the mod who contacted you, the title now matches the other books in the series, which is how it should have been entered in the first place. It's easy to say contact PV first, but many of them never answer or they answer with anger at daring to question their work or they say they're not really active anymore and they don't care much about any changes made. In the future I'll be sure to contact you about any and every change since you seem to still be semi-active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::A verifier is not necessarily the person who entered the data and things do occasionally get missed. However, that is the point here. Regardless of the merits of the edit, you should have asked me before you entered it and I know that I've asked you to do so before. I'm sorry if other verifiers responded with anger, but that is no reason to ignore the requirement with respect to all verifiers. I'll also point out that the Last User Activity Date is right next to the indication of verification. Given that I make edits most days, I am puzzled as to why you think I'm only semi-active or why you would have thought I was inactive long enough that you were exempt from the requirement to pre-notify. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:15, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Probably because the last edit of mine you approved was 10 days ago, so I just assumed you'd given up like another mod has recently or you were sick and/or in the hospital for the umpteenth time like several of the other mods. Anyway, a few more problems I've noticed since looking at all of this again: 1) The title date of #1 is earlier than the edition you PV but there's no record for an earlier edition here; 2) The foreign edition is the only book in the "Modern Weird" Series with no series #, format or cover artist, and the other 3 books are listed as 2 PB and a TP, so obviously one of those formats is wrong; 3) Volume 3 HC has no page count, cover artist or contents, and while cover images for both editions are the same and the TP does have a cover artist later volumes in the series have a different cover (#4 also has 2 separate cover artists) for each edition so it's possible that whoever entered 3's HC cover just copy-and-pasted the TP cover without checking to see if that was the right cover, as has happened so many times before with other books ; 4) Volume 4 HC has no ISBN or page count, doesn't have the day entered like the TP does, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents; 5) Volume 5 HC has no cover artist, the page counts of each edition are different, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents, plus the viewable e-book on Amazon (never entered on ISFDB) says Five, not 5, in the title, so both editions probably have the wrong title. I may have missed something, but these are the problems I see, in case anyone chances across this message and can fix anything I've mentioned. EDIT: While there don't seem to be any eBay copies of this series with anything other than cover photos, I did find this: https://alligatortreegraphics.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/ybwf5.pdf, so Volume 5 clearly should be Five since this is either the TP or HC judging by the fact that the contents page has page numbers on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Your definition of being active in the project as has approved your submissions recently is odd. In the context of who is required to be notified before editing their verified publications you should determine who is an active editor by the Last User Activity Date shown in the publication record. I don't know why you continue to try to find excuses to circumvent this requirement, but this requirement applies any publication verified by an active editor; not just moderators, and certainly not just moderators that have approved your edits recently. Your suppositions about my health are also odd. I don't know why you would assume that I am sick or hospitalized. I have been consistently active on the site for many years, except when traveling, which I always note in the Moderator Availability list at the head of the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]]. There is a much simpler explanation as to why I have not approved any of your edits in the last 10 days. That is because there are many other edits before yours in the queue. Currently, the earliest edit in the queue which is not held, or has some other question preventing its approval is from October 30. Your earliest unheld edit is from November 18. While some moderators may cherry pick which editors they want to approve, I do not. I work from the earliest edits first. There are simply hundreds if not thousands of edits in the queue before yours. As for your questions regarding the Year's Best Weird Fiction series, it sounds like you have some research to do. I do think it's unlikely that anyone with insight happening upon this thread under this heading are quite small. You'd probably have better luck posting a question in [[ISFDB:Verification requests|Verification requests]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:56, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Picture Mommy Dead ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496327 this submission]. Looking at the Wikipedia article for the film, it does not appear that there are any supernatural elements to the story. Do you have evidence that the novel has speculative elements that would make it eligible for inclusion in the project? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Oh yes, it's like a Gothic novel in film form, with a young lady seeing hallucinations of the fiery ghost of her dead mommy, bleeding paintings, creepy talking dolls, etc., while her wicked stepmother tries to get her inheritance; at the end she and her dad go insane. So I think it would qualify even if some of those things may only be in her mind; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLN90cNNomw. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::That description sounds psychological as opposed to supernatural which doesn't qualify under our [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions of Speculative Fiction|Definitions of Speculative Fiction]]. I'll cross post this on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and see if we can get some additional opinions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cage ==<br />
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Regarding your comment in the moderator note of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5513407 this submission]: Yes, the canonical title is dated with the date of first appearance even if the first appearance was under an alternate name. The only exception is if a translation appeared before it was published in the original language. We use the first canonical language publication date in those cases.<br />
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By the way, http://www.philsp.com/ links to specific entries are pretty much useless as they are not stable. When they add new data or otherwise make updates to their site, the links end up pointing to different data. I removed it from the notes as it no longer pointed to the the Ray Russell entry. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:43, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fast Ships, Black Sails ==<br />
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What is the source of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5515393 this date change]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:00, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:As so often happens, someone, in this case the long-gone/dead Bluesman, submitted and approved the title date in late 2010, but the 2 PV, you and RTrace, had verified the book in 2009 and early 2010 and so nobody ever fixed the book date to match the title date, so I did. If either of you two want to fix all the other cover art/essay/story dates now you can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::The month does not appear in the book. Amazon does give October, but it would be better to have a more reliable source. I changed the title record to be just 2008 and rejected the edit. You can re-add the Internet Archive link based on the desire you expressed to do it yourself in our earlier discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:52, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Movie Fantastic ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5502186 your edit], it seems to me that ISBN ending in 139 is for the tp edition - see [https://www.ebay.com/itm/274089387617] and [https://archive.org/details/moviefantasticbe00anna/]. A price tag of $2.95 would be consistent with that. ISBN ending in 163 is for HC - see [https://www.abebooks.com/9780517518168/Movie-Fantastic-Beyond-Dream-Machine-0517518163/plp]. Would also mean that OL & OCLC IDs would have to be removed from the hc edition & moved to the tp edition (which doesn't exist yet). Am assuming LCCN is for the hc edition. Could you double-check this makes sense? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:47, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's been so long since I did this that I don't remember the details, so I just cancelled it. If you want to take it up yourself maybe you can figure out what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Zelig ==<br />
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You contributed the publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929400 Zelig]. But I wonder if this has speculative contents. Could you explain why this pub should be selected? The content of the film does not appear to have any speculative elements. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 02:59, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It was nominated for a Saturn Award for Best Director and a SF Chronicle Award for Dramatic Presentation, it was reviewed by Colin Greenland in genre magazine Imagine (January 1984), etc. The title character is a chameleon who can physically change in order to fit in and moves through history taking on the characteristics of famous figures. It's a fantasy, certainly, even if it probably wasn't marketed that way because of the usual snobbery against genre films. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. By the way, I read about me in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Shadow_Games_and_Other... here]. I've been working on 'Cleanup Reports' for a while to correct missing data. But I don't check who previously entered data before each edit. Regarding 'The Haunted Gay', the publication was created after 10/24/2016, so the first contributor is not apparent. Sorry for causing annoyance. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:02, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could you please take another look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nog's Vision ==<br />
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These submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548247 submission1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548248 submission2] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548249 Submission3] are not correct. <br />
<ul><li>If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?117165 Brian Hall] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352747 Brian P. Hall] are the same author, then we make Brian P. Hall an alternate name of Brian Hall and variant [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone].<br />
<li>If they are not the same author then we make Brian Hall(I) the author of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1823138 Nog's Vision], an alternate name for Brian P. Hall and variant. </ul><br />
Are you able to make a determination? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:02, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I guess you're right. Cancel them and do whatever you need to; I see you just did some other edits for this title, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: All I did was convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone] to a chapbook. I was hoping you could determine whether any(all) of the Brian Hall titles are by Brian P. Hall. Will research them? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Books by Hall and P. Hall both published by Paulist Press; also, bio in Brian Hall book calls him Brian P. Hall. So yes, they're the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Donald Glut ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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You had submitted an edit to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352637 Donald Glut] into a variant name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2445 Donald F. Glut], which I approved. However, your subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569807 edit] changes the only credit as "Donald Glut" to "Donald F. Glut" effectively deleting the variant author. You have not indicated any source for the change in credit on the title page of the essay. Did you perhaps intend to make the essay into a variant title under the parent name? If so, please delete the edit and reissue as a make variant. If not, please provide your source for the author credit for the essay. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I rejected it and it says TitleUpdate; I did it again and it says MakeVariant. I think that's what it should have been in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors ==<br />
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After accepting your submissions correcting the author attribution for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?632493 Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors], I removed all the Adam Nevill titles and imported or added the Adam L. G. Nevill titles. If you intended to do it yourself, I'm sorry. There was no note to moderator letting me know your intentions. Next time, change the pub and title records before importing the contents. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:20, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What will changing those records first do in terms of the contents? I'm never clear about these kind of details. Would it eliminate some steps afterwards? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Hopefully you would have submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574809 this import] instead of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5132606 this one] saving the removal step. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:42, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Shadows ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574427 This submission], I think you meant to link to the tp edition. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No, because photo of back cover has HC ISBN and price + other photos are clearly of the HC, too. FantLab just jumbles together info from various sources; nothing they write is reliable, only photos are reliable. By the way, you're one of the mods who seem to like following up on some of the edits you approve with your own edits so I'll mention that the last FantLab photo has a date, September 27, which is supposedly when it was scheduled to come out, in case you can find a publisher's slip photo or something to verify. Of course, that would also mean having to change all the story dates, too, so you may not want to bother. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the photos are of the hc edition. If this is common, I'll watch for it. Pondering on whether we should add a pub note whenever this situation arises. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ritual ==<br />
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In edits like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574855 this], what is your preference? Create the variant or leave it for you? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:50, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you notice something needs a variant it would be better for you to do it because you're a mod and your edit will be approved immediately while mine will probably sit there at the top of my long list for days/weeks, which is silly for those kinds of small repetitive edits. If you don't notice or don't have the time I or someone else will notice eventually and do it. It's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Got it, thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:04, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Bitternest Chronicles ==<br />
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Any thoughts on whether we should change the publication date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325516 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I tend to leave post-2007 ISBN-13 dates alone because e-books made such a mess of determining exact publication dates it's usually hard or impossible to tell when something was actually published. That doesn't mean someone else can't change it if they feel like they're sure when it was actually published. The publisher seems very obscure, although I did find that cool Youtube trailer so apparently at one point they thought they were going to be something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Links in notes ==<br />
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Do you still want me to convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?61965 this] to a clickable link? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please do make any link I provide (there must be thousands by now) clickable if you really want to; I'm an amateur who knows nothing about HTML or hot tags or whatever they call them and just let people cut-and-paste if they want to see the linked whatever. Coincidentally, see my 2 sad attempts at linking to that Bloch boxed set Amazon link you approved a little while ago, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582236, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582241. Also, the Bloch Midnight Pleasures edit you just approved didn't see me move my old note to the bullet list, or whatever you call it, in the notes, which I do when I see any these days because I've learned how to do it, and I also noticed that in the moderator notes I said "Archive.org copy" instead of link; I usually use the word copy when I'm writing about where I got info from in the regular note section. I think it was very late and I was very tired when I was doing a bunch of Bloch edits and wasn't up to my usual standard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alex Andreev / Alex Andreyev ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5580997 This submission]. I'm sure you saw the website name. Did you consider going the other way? Just asking. I'm okay either way, can always be changed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:54, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I suppose you're right, but I think then it would make sense to move all the info as Andreyev over to the empty record for Andreev, right? I checked that Metronome book in Google Books and it's Andreyev like ISFDB says. I can't find a photo of the French Tad Williams book with the artist's name on it and that interior art credit as Andreev is also in Google Books but a search couldn't find the art, so what it's really signed is unknown. I was hoping that all credits would really be under one name or the other and somebody just entered them wrong here, but there's definitely at least 1 book as Andreev and 1 as Andreyev so far. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:12, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the data needs to be moved if you switch. Submit everything, ping here and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:26, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Trouble ==<br />
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Should we add a note mentioning the 21 page difference between the L-O-C entry and our publication record? Looks like all our publication data came from Locus. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:46, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Determining canonical name ==<br />
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You have pending submissions which would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?154935 Lucy Finn] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?32990 Savannah Russe] alternate names for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161282 Charlee Ganny]. Assuming they are the same person, shouldn't Savannah Russe be the canonical name? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:35, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:The bio in that stupid Chihuahua Wolf or whatever says Ganny and mentions those other 2 names as pseudonyms, so I think Ganny should be parent, but I don't really care if anyone wants to change that if the rules here, whatever they are, say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:15, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I just came across the same edits and have the same question. Our standards are that the canonical name should be the name by which the author is best know in the genre. Generally, that would be the name they are most frequently published as. In this case, most of the author's works are published as by Savannah Russe, which is why that name should be canonical. If Charlee Ganny is the author's legal name, that can be reflected in the Legal Name field in the canonical record. It would also have been helpful if you had added the source for this in the notes to the moderator. I looked at both the provided archive.org link (borrow unavailable) and the Amazon look inside feature and neither have access to the about the author page. Are you working from a physical copy? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::If I was working from a physical copy I would have PV it. I don't know, I just assume that if a complete amateur like me can find all this stuff that all you expert moderators should be able to find it, too, which is probably why sometimes I don't lay out exact details. As I've explained before, for some reason many books that were uploaded on Archive.org only link directly from OL, identifiable by that blue-and-white Preview button, but you can still search inside them even if you can't borrow them (I like searching for the word "the" which appears on most pages) and find something like this, https://archive.org/details/chihuawolftailof0000gann_y0f7/page/138/mode/2up, which explains what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::If you had added that in the moderator notes in the first place, John and I wouldn't have had to question your source. It's to your own benefit as well. If we aren't spending our time recapitulating research that you've already done, we can spend more time reviewing edits. As to these edits, the canonical name should be Savannah Russe. Please see [[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this template]] which explains how we decide what name should be canonical. Unfortunately, your edits are making a lesser know name canonical and they'll have to be rejected. Please resubmit these making Russe the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Change of One of Multiple Publications with the Same Title ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edit to update the title of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284335 1996 publication] of "Moonchasers and Other Stories" to "Moonchasers & Other Stories". I'm also holding the same change to the various contained title records. The issue with your edit is that there are two publications under the current title. Assuming the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334 2000 publication] has the "and" as opposed to the ampersand, your edits will result in the 2000 publication containing several incorrect title records. I'm guessing that you did not find evidence that the 2000 pub should be titled with an ampersand, or you would have changed it as well. If you can find such evidence, please change that record as well, and I can approve your edits. If not, you'll need to unmerge the title record for the novel and the cover art, then retitle them, and make the old versions variants of the newly created and changed ones. For the other titles, you can remove them from the 1996 publication, add new content with the correct title, and again make variants after that is done. Please let me know what you find about the 2000 publication, and we'll know how to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:30, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Return to Avalon ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator, you are correct in both counts. Submit the change in page count and cover art credit, note whether you want the reviewer to create the alt name and variant, and leave a note for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Ofearna Ofearna]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:12, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Approved the cover art credit. I assume you will link alt name and create the variant title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:04, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Heir ==<br />
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Submit the edit to add the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3150734 here] and I'll approve it. No need to wait for the whole queue to be cleared. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:28, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duel: Terror Stories by Richard Matheson ==<br />
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While reviewing your updates to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?637552 this publication], I looked at the back cover. I think the team of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25696 Shelley Eshkar] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25679 Jan Uretsky] should be credited for the cover art. Even though the earlier pubs don't credit them, it is the same art for all four. I wouldn't have seen it but for your submissions, so you should go ahead and make the changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Cover artists are credited on the back flap of the HC. The 2 artists, Shelley E. and Jan U., are credited separately and together on ISFDB for numerous covers, but none as by Eshkar/Uretsky. Not sure if the e-book with a date of January 4th came before the TP/HC, so if anyone can figure out which was the first true edition then artist can be entered, imported to other editions, and artist name made a variant of the individual names. Looking into this online also opened up this mess, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265, where the cover art is credited to Eshkar/Uretsky but nobody, not even the many PV, actually entered it that way, even though there are many mentions in notes that that's how it appears in the book, plus Larry Stewart interior art was only entered for the original HC but it's mentioned in several notes for other editions, there's an excerpt in the '99 Tor PB, which is the only copy on Archive.org-I just added a link to it in an edit, one of those weird preview-only copies that only show up if you search on Open Library-which has the date of the HC but almost certainly didn't appear in the HC, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:05, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: For Duel, I would enter the names separately and add an appropriate note to each publication treating the hc as the earliest publication.<br />
:: I don't see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265 Factoring Humanity] as a mess.<br />
::* The Tor hc and Orb tp's clearly state the names are shown separately.<br />
::* Both Tor pb's have an appropriate note stating how the credit appears.<br />
::[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Second printing of Witchcraft ==<br />
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You submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597754 this edit] to add a note to the April 2001 Pinnacle printing printing of ''Witchcraft'' that it is the second printing. I don't see a date listed in the scan of the book. Do you have evidence that the second printing was issued in April 2001? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The only copy on eBay that shows a copyright page shows the same number line ending in 2 with the same March 1997 original date; the record here was entered a long time ago by ChrisJ, who had a habit of entering dates from Amazon, I guess, but not leaving any notes. Searching Google shows an Amazon page with an April 1 date and another that says "New Edition (7 June 2001)", but clicking on that link just goes to a page with the same April date. So there seems to be some confusion; possibly this was a reprint of the original, thus the 2 in the number line, and then there was a later edition that actually has a new 2001 date on the copyright page. Who knows? So you may as well cancel it and maybe someone will find out for sure sometime. I noticed that the same author has a phantom publication from 1994 in his record, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Done. Chris is active and has always been responsive to my questions. As it happens, he added a Locus1 verification which is the source for the April 2001 reprint date. I would recommend cloning the record and creating an undated publication record for the second printing with the scan. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:28, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Haunted JARVEE ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602538 this submission]. The variant title always carries the date of it's first occurrence, not the date of the canonical title when author attribution is the same for both.. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:26, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bob/Robert Chronister ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edits to make Bob Chronister a child name of Robert Chronister. I'm curious as to why you chose Robert as the canonical name. The canonical name should be the name by which the person is best known in the genre. In this case, Bob has 4 credits whereas Robert has only 3. I know it's a close call. Are you aware of additional credits as Robert that you are intending to add? If not, I think we should probably make Bob the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:10, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Text Search for "By Bob Chronister" on Archive.org gets 27 hits, "By Robert Chronister" gets 49 hits. So Robert seems a bit more common and it's the longer and likely legal name, so I thought it should be the parent. I wouldn't doubt that there are other genre books out there with cover art by him that await entering here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Neither the legal name nor the longest name matter for purposes of determining the canonical name. See [[Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this help template]]. I'm concerned about your analysis. How many of the titles reference the same artwork? How many of those titles are genre as opposed to non-genre? Is the internet archive a good sampling of all the artists genre publications? Are there any records where the artist is credited without the preceding "By". If I had been the one making these edits, I would have made Bob Chronister the canonical name simply because it's slightly more common of the records that we have documented. Which is why I'm questioning this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm not sure what's best, because I just entered an edit for the 1983 Bantam PB of the 1973 novel Castaways on Long Ago, with art by Bob, but other Bantam books on Archive.org, including the PB of Have a Heart, Cupid Delaney, which only has the HC on ISFDB, say art by Robert. He also did many other Bantam books and went back and forth between first names. So unless someone finds a bibliography or something and counts exactly how many covers were done under each name it's really impossible to say what's the "preferred" name. I'll try to enter that Cupid PB and find another genre book with Robert as the name so it'll be equal, 5-5, and then you won't have to cancel my edits. I'll respond when I'm done if I'm successful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:58, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. I entered Cupid and also Blossom Culp and the Sleep of Death. Bob 5, Robert 5. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've approved the edits. We can revisit this again if the ratio of the names gets too out of wack. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit for Dark Cities Underground ==<br />
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You left a note about in your update to {{P|8781|Dark Cities Underground}} regarding the cover artist credit. A merge would not be appropriate in this instance. The COVERART for the {{P|284003|book club edition}} is the same title. If you have evidence that the book club edition is also credited as "Donato" then we could merge. I realize that it probably is credited thus, but I wouldn't want to change what another editor added unless I had seen evidence. You could have accomplished this merge through the advance search feature. However, what you want to do in this case is to import the title record {{T|743977}} into the trade publication and remove {{T|138845}} from the same publication. You'll also need to update the date of the Donato record. These edits can be done in any order, but I'd add an explanation in the moderator notes, so the approving moderator will know what's going on. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ting Ling ==<br />
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At [[User talk:Zapp#Vernon Bowen]], you mention a Dodd, Mead first edition --a mistake for David McKay(?). I have some notes on all four ''Ting Ling'' T{{t|2474271}} publications (eds/printings/publishers as well as author). Among other things, the Open Library book is wrongly identified (WorldCat and ISFDB) as the 1966 Young Readers Press, but it's the 1969-10 2nd printing.<br />
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I'm not sure whether I should be able to find your submissions in the queue. Its a busy weekend so I'll wait. If you did create a "Dodd, Mead" then as self-approver I should be able to complete a manual merge, in effect.<br />
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I see that Archive.org mis-catalogs the David McKay as 1966 Katonah NY: Young Readers. Do you have any experience with correction of such data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:04, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oh yeah, David McKay, sorry, both start with D. M. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609262 is my first submission followed by 5609270, 5609272, 5609276. I think those are all the ones I did concerning this book. I would assume you probably have to be a member of Open Library or something to fix errors, of which there are countless on that site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:47, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library cover discrepancy ==<br />
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For the 7th printing ''Dragon's Milk'' by Susan Fletcher P{{p|198429}}, we have OL front cover image (covers.openlibrary.org) of a copy from publication series "Aladdin Fantasy". Half of my long publ Note concerns this problem. But the book scanned has otherwise identical cover that shows "Aladdin Fiction". Do we/you have a way to use cover images from OL/archive.org ebooks rather than from coveres.openlibrary.org? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think you mean right-clicking the Archive.org image, https://archive.org/search?query=fletcher+dragon%27s-milk, "save image as", and then upload the image to our Wiki (either there'll already be one uploaded by someone else, in which case yours will replace the old one and then you go to the book's record and hit CTRL-F5 and the new image will appear, or there'll be no image previously uploaded, in which case after you upload yours you click the image link at the bottom and then enter it in the image field of the book's record in an edit and approve it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:52, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. It seems to me that that is what I mean :--)<br />
:: I was not aware that Archive.org generates a gallery of front covers (or first images in sets that make a book), only the Covers.OpenLibrary.org. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:37, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boris Dolgov ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607016 this submission]. According to Darkworlds Quarterly, the man on the right is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21111 Maxfield Parrish] and the photograph was taken by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?609 Hannes Bok]. Look [https://darkworldsquarterly.gwthomas.org/boris-dolgov-weird-tales-artist/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:06, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moderator note ==<br />
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Regarding your question [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608266 here]. This is not how I would have entered it. I would have made the Pages field: xii+[2]+252 and the page number for the title in question [1]. Whether I'm mistaken or standards have changed since January 2012, I can't say. Regardless, discuss it with Ron before submitting any changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]]<br />
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== Still Life ==<br />
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Did you consider changing the cover art credit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33246 here]? The credit on the back cover is hard to read but it appears to be 'Peter Jones'. Not 'Peter Andrew Jones'. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Doll ==<br />
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After looking at the archive.org scan of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?942823 The Doll] you provided, I think we should change the content title length to novelette. I would estimate under 10,000 words, certainly under 17,500. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, I counted 34 text pages and there's wide margins, so you're probably right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:13, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leavings ==<br />
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Re: your publication note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20082 here]. It is not uncommon for author's to date introductions, forewords, acknowledgements, etc. We ignore that date. They are dated as of first publication, no different than how we handle cover art. It's okay to mention the dates in a note, but I recommend removing any indications that this somehow makes the publication date unclear. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:34, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I wrote it because the book says 1998. Essay dates and date entered on ISFDB are all different months in 1997. So the date really is unclear; editor entered it from Locus which is unreliable at best. It's possible that this small-press publisher didn't have a proofreader and just goofed and typed date as 1998 instead of 1997 twice on the copyright page. EDIT: On a related note, the other book by the publisher on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7110, is a retitled reprint of a 1994 book, has a 1995 title date on ISFDB, a June 1997 date for the edition entered by someone, and a 1996 date for the non-preview copy on Google Books. So dates are guesswork at best. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multi Part Edits ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626703 this submission] which is changing the title field of a publication. The problem is that by doing so, the publication title will no longer match the title in the title record {{T|2125736}}. There is no note to the moderator indicating that you intend to do the rest of the work required for this change, i.e. unmerge the newly created title, make the variant relationship, and adjust the dates of the title records, if necessary. This is similar to the issue created by your recent submission that created data inconsistencies that we discussed in [[ISFDB:Community Portal#E. Borgese|this thread]. Perhaps you missed my latest response where I gave you instructions on how to finish that edit since you stated your were having problems understanding what still needed to be done. My fear is that you are ignoring the response and are refusing to complete that edit. If you are refusing to complete multi step edits, please refrain from entering the first step. If you intend to complete the full edit, please indicate that you will do so in the notes to the moderator. I see that you occasionally add something like "contents need to be imported". I've read that as indicating your intent to do that work after that approval, but it's worded as if you want someone else to do the work for you. For these two edits, please let me know whether you intend to complete them so I know how to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Same issue with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626998 this edit] (also holding) --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It's been a few days and you have not responded to this inquiry, aside form cancelling the held edits. I see that you've reissued [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5631240 one] of them, but unfortunately, it makes the record worse than your original edit. Aside from not updating the title of the book, you've added an introduction with the incorrect title in the disambiguator. I know that you know that the title should be "Winter Children & Other Chilling Tales" based on your previous edit. I don't understand why you decided that it would be better to maintain this record with an inaccurate title. I know that you know how to do all of the follow up edits that are required here. You know how to update the title publication (your previous edit). After that's done you need to unmerge this publication from the others with the alternate title. I've seen you submit unmerge edits before. Then you just need to make the other title (Winter Children and Other Chilling Tales) a variant of the newly created title. Again, you have submitted many make variant edits in the past. Lastly, you'll need to update the date on the variant title (again, you've made many such edits previously). If you need further details on any part of this process, I or other editors are always happy to help. I'm going to have to reject the new edit as it introduces new erroneous data. I can unreject the two edits that you cancelled. I just want your assurance that you are going to complete the edits that you had started. We're also still waiting for your response to [[ISFDB:Community Portal#E. Borgese|this thread]] which is a similar issue, and where I gave you step by step instructions on how to complete that edit. Is there something in those instructions that you aren't understanding and that I can explain more clearly? Please let us know how you wish to proceed with these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well, I'll be honest with you, as I explained in a recent message to you my mind is going rapidly, I also have very little interest in doing this anymore, I see only Vasha77 in edit history for Winter Children so I have nothing connected to that one, I see an edit from me where I added price and corrected name in the Borgese book which I don't even have any recollection of doing, somebody named Zapp who likes to variant stuff made it a variant of the parent name, so I'd suggest you or someone else can work further on her book or dive into Winter Children if you wish, as always it will bother me that others will get credit for work that probably never would have been done if I hadn't found the info in the first place but, as I said, I'm really not capable of handling anything complicated anymore; soon I may not be able to handle anything. Sorry; maybe I shouldn't have started on those 2 books in the first place and should just ignore those kinds of changes if I find any in the future. I do have 625 pending edits, though, most of which I'm sure are approvable, so there's that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:53, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Citadel ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5640087 this submission]. I see you informed the verifier that you were adding a cover scan. However, the author on the cover differs from the author in the publication record. Please work with [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] to determine whether that is the correct cover for this edition, or whether the author is in error, or if there is a discrepancy in the author credit between the cover and the title page. If the latter, that should probably be noted. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== If I Were an Evil Overlord ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5560276 this submission] on hold as I don't see any attempt to contact the two PVs, both of who are active on the site. Please let me know once they've been contacted and responded regarding this edit. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:03, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, I did find [[User talk:GlennMcG#Evil Overlord / Human For A Day|your attempt]] to contact one of them. I don't see the other one, though, and I don't see any response. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Human for a Day ==<br />
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Same with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5560285 this submission]: I can see an attempt to contact one of the PVs, but not the other active one. Please contact the other and follow up with Glenn. Let me know when they've checked their copies. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:09, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Anthony Shriek ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5562382 this submission] on hold as you didn't provide a reason for the name change. Please provide one. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:11, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Because that's the full title of the original Dell edition, entered by me, as you can see if you look at the book's edit history. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I can see that you edited it (three times, I believe), but I can't see what was changed because you didn't include any notes and the current ISFDB doesn't show diffs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:32, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::There's a link in the record to the Archive.org scan of the Dell edition which shows the title page with the full title. Only other edition I see is Centipede but PV Chavey seems barely here these days so getting him/her to check title page is tough; certainly the parent title should be the full one, though. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:35, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Neighboring Lives ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5572626 this submission] on hold as I show no attempt to contact the PV, who is active on the site. Please let me know once you've done that and they've responded. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:14, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Playboy Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574734 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PV. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:16, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosmic Cocktails ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575083 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PV. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:17, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Swordplay ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575100 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PVs. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Warning re: the last exchange with Willem H. on the Community Portal ==<br />
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Re: your last response to [[User:Willem H.]] on the Community Portal, please note that "your meds ran out or something" is a personal attack. They are not allowed as per [[ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy]] and are handled as follows:<br />
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Personal attacks that are not obscene:<br />
*1st offense - a canned warning on the user's Talk page<br />
*2nd offense - a 24 hour block<br />
*3rd offense - a week long block<br />
*4th offense - an indefinite block<br />
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Since this is the first offense, please consider this note a warning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:55, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:In the time it took you to write that you could have been figuring out a way to organize the existing mods or recruit some new ones so that there wouldn't be a situation where I have just shy of ONE THOUSAND edits pending plus a few hundred edits from various other editors. Threatening me with a block on a site I haven't really wanted to be on for a long time is amusing. I seem to remember you did that once before long ago when one of the other editors hacked my page and someone, I believe this same Willem guy, thought one of my messages to the hacker was personal and whined to you about it but you apparently never felt the need to block the hacker because they're still editing; I'm pretty sure if this was a real workplace and I got hacked they would have been fired immediately or worse. I've had trouble with Willem from my first message to him a few years ago and a few times since and had let him know more than once that he should stop being angry and just answer me without any problems and just when I thought he had calmed down and was answering my questions/fixing wrong info sort of properly he suddenly got bristly again so I said what I had to say. If you think that's personal that's your perception. I live in New York; wherever you live may be some pleasant place where people discuss their problems over lattes when they're not crying about climate change but here in Hell we don't play around. In the future I think it will be better if I just cancel any edits where there's the slightest disagreement because who knows when the next problem child will come along. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:57, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: As per the linked Policy, personal attacks are not allowed and will result in escalating penalties as listed above. None of the issues raised in your response -- the number of pending submissions, the fact that your User page was vandalized in June 2021, your history of disagreements with Willem H, etc -- change that.<br />
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:: Re: the 2021 instance of vandalism, the offender [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Text_posted_on_Username.27s_User_page was given a warning and promised not to do it again], a promise that she has kept.<br />
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:: Re: the number of your pending submissions, not all moderators are willing to work on your submissions due to your history with them. Back in 2021 [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Surrounded I wrote]:<br />
::* you are a relatively new contributor, so moderators are more likely to make allowances, but eventually they will become less likely to work on your submissions, which will affect the approval time.<br />
:: which is what ended up happening. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:52, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hacking someone's personal page is far more egregious than a sarcastic comment about meds; one is rude, the other can easily get you fired or arrested depending on where and to whom it's done. Because ISFDB is just some online card catalog nothing happened; try doing that at a real business and see what happens to you. Re: the number of pending edits, you can easily search and find numerous complaints on ISFDB pages stretching back many years before I started here about the slowness of edits being approved, but since the recent server move things have gotten much worse. I have a few dozen old edits that have been sitting for a long time because something or other wasn't clear and so they just get approved now and then by random mods, but the vast majority of the nearly ONE THOUSAND pending edits were done within the last month and most of them are perfectly approvable. So the problem isn't my "history" with mods because that comes and goes with some getting mad and going away for a while and then starting to approve again while others have just quit because of their problems with other mods or the site in general. Honestly, in reading old threads on this site, many of the current and former occupants seem to be...unstable, with some of them using the F word and the like because they disagree about the length of some old pulp story and many who quit still holding grudges against people they disagreed with years ago. So I suggest that whoever is running this site come up with a plan to handle the queue because since I started editing a few years ago the number of edits has increased exponentially with my list more often than not being longer than every other editor on ISFDB combined and the mod structure as it stands right now can't handle the volume adequately. As I said above, from now on I'll solve this problem by cancelling any of my edits that mods have a problem with; I do so many every day that losing a few won't make a dent. That's one of the good things about having no desire to be a self-moderator and only doing this to pass the time; I don't have to pretend to be friends with anyone. Or I may just stop doing this entirely; I'm physically and mentally in bad shape, New York is one of the worst places to live in the country right now, and World War III may be coming soon, so I, and possibly you and everyone else editing on ISFDB, may have much bigger problems to worry about than this nonsense. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:01, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: "Hacking" covers a variety of state and federal crimes. It has a complex definition which has changed over time -- see [https://www.justice.gov/criminal/file/442156/download this PDF file created by the Department of Justice] for a discussion. What happened to your User page in June 2021 was vandalism, not hacking. Another user edited your page using her own account; she didn't break into your account.<br />
:::: Re: "I don't have to pretend to be friends with anyone", the current policy doesn't disallow being abrasive. It does disallow personal attacks and imposes escalating penalties for their use as linked above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction for The Ultimate Alien ==<br />
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The software is forcing a rejection of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5632434 this submission]. The problem is it's merging a variant with its parent, and the merged result would have the parent be a variant of itself. That arrangement is not valid, and so the submission cannot be accepted. I can't tell if there was a note on the submission that's not being presented. Did you really mean to merge these two, or did you mean to do something else? Given that someone went to the trouble to make a variant, it seems likely the piece is titled differently in the different pubs. Looks like we have active verifiers who could confirm/deny. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:43, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Extra ==<br />
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Neither one of the covers in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650584 this submission] are correct. The present cover looks like the ebook cover. The cover you are trying to link is the pb. Open library has the hc cover. Resubmit and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:59, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Webs of Discord ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650361 this submission]. There are several steps that will be required to complete the addition of this publication after it is approved. I know that you have been uncomfortable in the past in dealing with multi-step edits, and I wanted to ensure that you intended to complete the additional steps before this is approved. First off, you'll need to add the contents for the stories. You could have done this in the initial edit, at least for those stories that are not already in the database. For the others that already have title records, you either could have added them manually and then merged each after the edit is approved. Alternatively, you can import the existing records after the COLLECTION record is created. Secondly, since this collection is published under an alternate name, you'll need to make the title record a variant of a new title record with the canonical name. You'll also need to do this for each of the newly added titles. For those titles where the parent title already exists (e.g. {{T|3038297|The XX Agent}}, you'll need to make the new title a variant of the existing canonical title. For those where a parent does not yet exist, you'll need to create a new title as the parent under the canonical name. Please let me know if you intend to complete this submission with the additional edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:12, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Rejects ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
Just letting you know that I've had to do hard rejects on a number of submissions. Apparently they are trying to merge a title that was deleted subsequent to your edit. Please check the XML for these ones and check if the titles look OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:11, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I guess JLaTondre did them himself and beat me to it, him being a mod and able to approve his own edits instantly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm encountering more edits of yours today that require hard rejects. Again, you can check the raw XML for these and inspect the titles to see if they look OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:50, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Looks like JLaTondre again; one of the perks of being a mod, no waiting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:01, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Time Bride ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658630 submission] for ''Time Bride''. I just want to make sure that you intend to import the novelette after this is approved. If it isn't imported, this will show up on a cleanup report as a CHAPBOOK without contents. I'll also note that if you manually add the contents on a new chapbook, and then merge the newly created title with the existing one, after the first edit is approved, it's more clear what your intentions are. Either way, it's a two step edit. Additionally, you can always add your intentions to finish the edit in the note to the moderator. Many others do it that way. Let me know whether you intend to submit the second part of this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great. Approved. You can proceed to finish the edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::My edit importing the story has been sitting around for a week and Zapp came along and added the story today as if it were new so I don't know, something needs to be done, merge or something. EDIT: Now I see Zapp added a 1986 audio edition, apparently there was at least one earlier than the one I entered, but he still hasn't seemed to notice the short story is actually already there from 1983. Maybe he will at some point. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Spawn of Hell ==<br />
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The original image linked to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?696408 Spawn of Hell] was the result of cloning a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287310 later printing]. The later printing was from an unknown year so the software appended 0000 [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:SPWNFHLLVX0000.jpg here]. The editor should have removed the image link from the submission. When you uploaded the image for the 1984 publication, it appended 1984 with this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:SPWNFHLLPR1984.jpg result]. Your edit correctly linked the new image. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:06, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruce Campbell Biography ==<br />
I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662375 this submission] that you submitted as I'm not sure it is eligible for inclusion here. I started [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Bruce Campbell Biography|a discussion]] on the community portal. Please chime in there if you have thoughts on its eligibility. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:46, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grey Star the Wizard ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could I get you to double check your verified copy of {{P|16028|Grey Star the Wizard}}? Our records have the author's as Ian Page and Joe Dever. However, the notes indicate copyrights suggesting the text is by Page with Dever as co-responsible for the concept. Does the title page list them both as authors? If not, please remove Dever as an author from both the publication and title records. I'm in the process of adding the first edition by Page alone. Depending on your research, I'll either merge or make your title a variant as appropriate. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:29, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Title page says "Written by Ian Page", "Edited by Joe Dever", "Illustrated by Paul Bonner". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! I've approved your edit and merged the titles. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:53, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::So the cover declaration doesn't matter? [[User:AndonSage|AndonSage]] ([[User talk:AndonSage|talk]]) 02:05, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Hi Gary - First off, I'm sorry I didn't ask you as well. Your verification shows your last activity 2020-04-30, so I assumed you had left the project. I do see that you have wiki edits from last year, but the last activity date doesn't capture those. As to your question, our standards are to go by what is on the title page rather than the cover. In this case, because Dever is listed as the editor, he should not be listed as an author. It would be fine add to the notes that he edited the book and you could even use the <nowiki>{{A|author name}}</nowiki> template which would link to his bibliography. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:56, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Just a note that there's a single copy of this on Archive.org, an 11th printing with a $4.50 price which just says Berkley Books. Copyright page says "Berkley edition / October 1994" so they kept reprinting these books for many years, it seems. EDIT: There's also a 2nd printing of War of the Wizards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:25, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for the explanation :) I haven't left the project, I check in most days. I just haven't entered any new book information in a very long time due to switching over to Kindle e-books. [[User:AndonSage|AndonSage]] ([[User talk:AndonSage|talk]]) 15:00, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monsters: Three Tales ==<br />
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Will you be importing the three titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?953386 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. One story has a later date so possibly original to the cassette? Also, I added catalog ID to another cassette by them using note written by someone long ago but can't find ID for Dark Dixie. A sampler with ST100 is on eBay so it's likely ST101 or 102 or 103; seems to be a K. K. Rusch collection and a Matthew Costello collection, too, which can be entered at some point. That rotten Sutphen HC annoys me, because an editor entered contents after I made an edit but I doubt most of them are genre, just a publisher collecting whatever junk he wrote because he owned the company. Likely crime stories and stuff like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: We'll show it as original until an earlier publication date surfaces. I don't doubt your guess re: sexpunks. If you come across anything definitive, we can remove titles. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:15, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?187809; Several hours after my edit adding ID I looked at this again and I have several questions. Cover artist is very unlikely to be the same guy who wrote a couple of horror stories who in turn is probably not the same guy who wrote a couple of stories 40 years later. Note says stories are numbered in order but WorldCat has a different order. Making run time into the number of pages seems wrong to me but another editor did the same for one of the other cassettes by the publisher on ISFDB. Why are the narrators in the contents as having done interior art? Cover is an unstable "G" image but I can't find a current Amazon image to replace it with. Maybe someone can answer one or all of these questions and they'll fix a few things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow on the Moon publication month ==<br />
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In your publication note addition on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663685 this submission], you indicate "it is the publication month", but you give no reasoning to back this claim. I was able to see the "3" as indicated on the copyright page, but nothing in the book indicates this is referring to the month of publication. Please let me know how you arrived at this conclusion. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:01, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Same thing for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663686 this submission]. As they are both from the same publisher, is there some page somewhere that explains the number is the month of publication? Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663687 This one], too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:04, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Because in every PV Lenox Hill book, most by Dragoondelight with a couple by Don Erikson, there is a note saying that the number on the copyright page is the month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Okay, thank you. Please include details like that in future moderator notes. That will speed up the process. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Wish month of publication ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5664886 this submission], you cite Wikipedia as the source for the month of publication in the expanded note you added. However, the Wikipedia entry doesn't have any citations for that information, so the information is suspect. Do you have any other sources for the month of publication? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:09, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You mean the Wikipedia page that says Blood Wish (October 2007) on it? I see it clearly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:12, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, but that entry on that page (and, in fact, that entire page in this case) has no citation where they got that information. Wikipedia, by itself, is not a good source. If the fact being cited on the Wikipedia page has a citation there, then we can use that citation to back up the information here. Just because something is on Wikipedia doesn't make it fact. We need a solid source for that information. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:18, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've done a search on Google for possible sources, and the sources I've found vary widely on the publication date. Some give only the year, a few give January 2007, one gives a 2012 date, but I can't find any that give an October 2007 date. The only thing most places agree on is 2007 being the year it was published. I'll go ahead and reject this submission and change the date to just 2007 for now. Unless we can find a more specific date from a reliable source, we shouldn't be guessing on the month. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Some editor named Zapp said they got the month from en.wikipedia.org; I specified which Wikipedia page the info is actually on. Go ask Zapp if they're still around or ask RTrace why he approved Zapp's edit; maybe he knows the date. The only hit on Google for "october-2007" "blood-wish" is Wiki and a couple of pages that got their info from Wiki; if you really want another source McBride mentions Blood Wish is "available right now" on a page dated December 10, 2007; http://www.darkscribemagazine.com/feature-interviews/the-science-of-michael-mcbride.html. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:31, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I've added an additional note with a link to the interview. If you find anything more definitive, we can definitely add it. Thanks for digging. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:39, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::OK, but now numbering is out of order (1,2,4,3,5,6) because there's no month. I would have stuck to Wikipedia because for someone to enter exact dates for these hard-to-find limited editions they probably had the info but whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:56, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::If you mean on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?10043 this page], just click on the "Sort by series number" link directly above the table and it will sort them according to series number (as shown [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?10043+2 here]). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Eden Mystery publisher ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5665010 this submission] on hold as you're trying to change the publisher to one not on the title page. The title page states only "Linford", so (if anything) it should be only "Linford". The copyright page states "Linford" again, along with "F. A. Thorpe". Where does the "Ulverscroft" part come from in your submission? I can't see that name anywhere. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I just cancelled it. In looking at it I think I capitalized first word in note, removed unneeded slash from end of Archive.org link, and fixed publisher. 2 were just cosmetic fixes and the publisher change I think is correct but I'm not willing to argue about it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:00, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rising Sun ==<br />
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I'm disappointed you didn't discuss [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672100 this submission] with me. Your sole basis for the cover art credit is my publication note. Obviously I don't feel a simple photograph used by the cover designer should be credited as cover art. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:57, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There's an easy fix for that; the cover credit can be removed in another edit, although your (?) note has a credit for design by a guy and another for Hayden's photograph, photographs being art per ISFDB rules. If you don't believe it should be in this edition then the other credit in the Dutch edition should be removed, too, except for the fact that a note there, likely written by you since you're the only one in edit history, says "cover art"; it should also be removed from Concrete Island since a note in one of the editions with her cover says "design" and likely Crash is design, too, and should also be removed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:12, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: The note I wrote on the foreign edition was a secondhand source (their wording). Notice, I did not add the cover art credit there. I believe photographs are left to the judgement of the verifier. However, I'll leave your edit intact. Please communicate with me in the future, I'm here almost every day. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:26, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm confused. The reason I added cover art to the English-language edition was because I saw the same cover on the Dutch edition and wanted to add where that cover originally came from. The artist is credited for cover art in the Dutch edition and you're the sole editor in the history; didn't you enter it? I'm referring to 1999 Dutch, not 1994. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:32, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: An editor of your experience should be able to look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4989672 this submission] and see that I added the month of publication and a note where it came from, period. The publication was entered and all subsequent changes were made before we had access to edit history. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4989669 the submission] to the first edition preparing it to be Primary Verified. You might notice my note to moderator, "I'm not giving cover art credit". I was curious why the Dutch publication had a cover art credit. As long as I was looking at it, 8 minutes later I submitted the change you see above. Hopefully, that clears up your confusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Sort of. It's all a hopeless mess, anyway, because as can be seen here, https://www.deboekenplank.nl/naslag/aut/c/crichton_m.htm, Hayden's credit translates as "cover illustration". I enter credits for photographs because that is artistic work but I make sure to identify them as photos in the notes (I see I did so for the last book in Hayden's record); there are thousands and thousands of cover credits here that should not have been entered over the years because they say design in the books but there are also thousands and thousands of artists credited with design who signed their names and thus were also responsible for the art. I doubt anyone here is ever going to do the monumental task of identifying and removing cover credits where the person just did the design; it probably is impossible to ascertain for many of those books, anyway, especially the older ones. Very minor issue, anyway, considering there's probably hundreds of Crichton editions that still haven't been entered or have incomplete or wrong info here even though he died nearly 15 years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:32, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earth Abides ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679458 this edit] identifying the existing record as the 16th printing. I can't find anything in the scan to indicate that the 16th printing was issued August 1977. The existing record states that the data is from {{P|266003|Locus #205}} which is verified by [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]. You could try reaching out to him to see if there is enough data in Locus to match the existing record with the scan of the 16th printing. If not, I don't think we can assume that they are the same, and you should clone the record to make one for the 16th printing. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for ''The Face of the Lion'' ==<br />
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Hi. What's the source of the date in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672954 this submission]? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:33, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's the day entered in the title record and there's no earlier edition. I see certain Amazon sites use the day, too, so I assume that's where previous editor got it from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:51, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ah, thanks. Amazon currently says 1976-01-01 (which of course doesn't mean anything). I found pictures of the interior, and the book says just 1976. I think I'm going to change the records to year-only and move the more complete date to the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:55, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK. This, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=cape&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=john+blackburn&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], shows that several have months entered from Amazon UK by one or more editors; the only one I trust is Household Traitors because the month was entered from a proof copy by...me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Journey to Another Star and Other Stories ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5682784 this submission] of yours. The problem is that by changing the credit of "The Good Old Days" from Jack M. Dann to Jack Dan will result in a title that is a variant of an identical title. I can approve this edit if you agree to merge the two titles after it is approved, which will fix the problem that your edit will create. Ideally, that should have been done before your other changes were submitted. Let me know whether you agree to do the second part of this edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:48, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I cancelled the edit and did it over minus the stupid note about the logo because all these Lerner SF books have the same thing, it's not unique to this one. I started another edit merging "The Good Old Days" and making Jack Dann the name but it gave me a message about something that can't be a parent title of itself. I assume when merging that the parent record number chosen should be the blank one, not the one with the number, right? Is that what that message means? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, I believe that's the meaning of that message. The parent ID is for one of the records you're merging. Because you're collapsing them into a single record under the canonical name, there is no need for a parent ID and as you guessed, you should select the blank one. Let me know if you have any further issues with the merge. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:02, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover for De beste sf-verhalen van de King Kong award 1977, deel 2 ==<br />
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I had to do a hard reject of your edit to make {{T|3176596|De beste sf-verhalen van de King Kong award 1977}} into a variant of the cover for the Da Vinci Code. I cleaned up the proposed parent record which made your edit invalid. However, I was intending to reject your edit anyway. The problem is that the cover you were making into a variant has two artists: Leonardo Da Vinci and Tais Teng. The fact that the cover art was either altered enough to be a posthumous collaboration or whether Teng contributed separate elements that were combined for the new cover, makes it effectively a different work than Da Vinci's painting and we can't really make it a variant. If we were to do so, it would show up because Teng is not an alternate name for Da Vinci (which it shouldn't be, of course). You could certainly add a note or even a link to the other title, but we shouldn't do a variant. Also, just to let you know the edit I did was to remove a coverart record for the original painting. There was a recent discussion where the consensus was that we should not have records for paintings. Hope this explains what went on. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:38, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Terminal Man ==<br />
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The archive scan you attached to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?838258 this printing] appears to be from another edition/printing. This note, "The purple endpapers have three different labeled diagrams of the human brain", isn't reflected in the attach scan. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:10, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Removed when approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:13, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Box: Tales from the Darkroom cover image ==<br />
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Whilst clicking through approvals for my latest batch of broken Amazon images, I inadvertently replaced the openlibrary image [you submitted a few days ago from openlibrary.org, only realizing after I'd approved my edit. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5688961 The two images are visibly different] - the Amazon one is lighter, and the openlibrary one has a grey box above the T in "The". <br />
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Google Image Search found [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=8736040284&searchurl=fe%3Don%26ds%3D5%26sortby%3D1%26tn%3Dbox%2Btales%2Bdarkroom%26an%3Dgunter%2Bgrass&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title2#&gid=1&pid=1 this photo of the real book], which looks closer to the Amazon image than the openlibrary one, but I'll revert to the latter if you want.<br />
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The archive.org links you added in the same edit remain as they were. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:49, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You're right, Amazon image is better. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Krilov Continuum ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5691914 this edit] to change the author of ''The Krilov Continuum'' from "James Lovegrove" to "J. M. H. Lovegrove". The edit is good, but will require two additional steps to complete. You'll need to un-merge this publication from the title record for "James Lovegrove". Since there is already a title record for "J. M. H. Lovegrove", you'll then need to merge the newly created title record to that one. Please confirm that you will submit the additional edits and I can approve the first step. I'll also mention that when other editors do this sort of multi-step edit, they will mention in the moderator notes that they intend to do the required next steps. Doing that will allow moderators to approve without checking that you understand the subsequent edits that are required. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:41, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Steel Spring ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5702323 your edit] to change the author credit for ''The Steel Spring''. This edit would created a discrepancy between the publication and title records. This would be fine if you intend to unmerge the publication from the title and then make the new title a variant in subsequent edits, but I see nothing in your notes stating that you intend to make the additional required edits. However, and more importantly, there is an active verifier for this publication and I do not see indication that you conferred with them before submitting this edit and that they agreed that your edit is correct. Please contact the other editor and if they agree, please let me know whether you intend to submit the additional edits after this one is approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I cancelled it and made another one adding just Archive.org link and LCCN. I left Crazy a note that they should change count to 188 and change author's name to Peter but I don't expect a response because they've responded to nothing on their page, starting in 2021, including a previous message by me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Adventures of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang ==<br />
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I approved your edits updating {{P|419847|The Adventures of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang}}. The page count you updated would indicate that this publication is too short to be a novel and this change will cause it show up on a cleanup report. You should convert the publication to a CHAPBOOK. The best way to do this is to first update the {{T|1606813|title record}}, changing it from novel to shortfiction. After that is approved, you would update the publication record, changing the type of the publication record to CHAPBOOK and adding a new content record also of type CHAPBOOK with the same title and author. It has to be done in these two steps because there are some form level edits that prevent changing the novel content record (as I recall). Please ask if you have any problems doing these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:36, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Changed to shortfiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. You can proceed with the next edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think I did it right; done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::You did. It looks good and we caught it before it could show up on the cleanup report. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:18, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robin Bennett ==<br />
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After realizing that you were crediting all the Robin Bennett titles to Robin Bennett (I), there was no need for the erroneous alternate name. I just broke the alternate and merged Robin Bennett & Robin Bennett (I). That's why you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708751 this one] rejected. Intended to reject [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708752 this one] but approved it by accident. Subsequently corrected. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?159608 Here] is the result. Sorry about any confusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art ID ==<br />
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Hey! How did you ever identify [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Screen_Shot_2022-11-10_at_11.05.35_PM.png this] (the signature on the cover of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6612 Changing Places]) as the signature of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?86329 Randy Hamblin]? Great job! It's a relief. I thought no one had noticed that I'd asked. But really, how did you ID it? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 22:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Honestly, when I looked at this just now I thought this was an old edit of mine from last year or longer ago but I see that I entered it barely a month ago. I assume I took the first letter of the first and last names and searched for Scholastic artists with those initials. That's my best guess. I didn't leave a note to moderator for some reason so it's hard to say. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well, thanks. [[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 15:25, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Projections (cover) ==<br />
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Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3208107 this cover] credited to Meltzer, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26331 Davis Meltzer]? If so, go ahead and submit the necessary edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:58, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Rejects for Malcolm for President ==<br />
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I had to hard delete two of your edits for ''Malcolm for President''. As a result of [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Malcolm for President|this discussion]] we determined that the title was not eligible for inclusion in the database. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:49, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Maverick Moon ==<br />
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# Temp hold on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714020 this one] Which [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?207 series] do you want to put it in?<br />
# Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1854167 this one]; Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11 Star Wars] the right series? <br />
Also. Should these be marked juvenile? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:00, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I removed series from title of Maverick Moon because that's SOP; many books in the early days, some even in latter days, had series included in book titles when Fixer or whatever it used to be called just trawled Amazon and entered stuff verbatim. So when I see series in titles I get rid of them. I believe these books are already part of a series/pub. series on ISFDB as most Star Wars books are and if they aren't I wouldn't be the one to decide which of the many subsets they belong to because most are PV and changing anything angers people sometimes. Juvenile is relative, adults read these, too, so unless it says specifically in the book that it's for a certain age group I don't think they should be juvenile. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Greybeards at Play ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714773 this one]. The canonical title always carries the earliest publication date. Even in this situation, where the title was originally published under what we call an alternate name. Think about the author's bibliography page and what it would reflect if I accepted your change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:07, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== I See a Long Journey (cover art) ==<br />
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Since [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_dups.cgi?109678 these] are not the same, we need do not merge warnings in the title notes. Otherwise, someone will merge them for sure. Let me know if you submit edits or prefer I take care of it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:14, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:22, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: That works. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:26, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge and Other Stories ==<br />
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You need title notes in both or someone will merge them for sure. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:28, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author picture (fantlab) ==<br />
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What's up with all these fantlab edits? Are the old links going away.? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:01, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The trailing stuff at the end of the URL is not needed, as I believe Annie told me a long time ago, so when I saw one of them randomly the other day I decided to do a search and get rid of all of them. There were only a very small number of them and some of them got updated by me with other stuff, too, so it's all good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Just curious. I'm sure you saw I already approved them [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:09, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Portrait of Barbara ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5729867 your edit] to modify the title of a publication. This edit would create a discrepancy between the publication title and the title record. If your intention is to make the additional edits to make this change (unmerge and then make variant), I can approve this. In the future, you can include your intent to make the additional edits in the notes to the moderator, and we can just approve the edit without inquiring. Please let me know how you intend to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:22, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yeah, sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, approved. You can proceed with the next edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:44, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ragged Maps ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Mhhutchins Mhhutchins] has subsequently updated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?937214 Ragged Maps] so these three [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733897], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733898], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733899] should be cancelled. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:35, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK, I deleted them, but doesn't the yellow warning that was implemented recently show up to let people know that someone else made edits before them? Because mine have been sitting around since 8/5 waiting for one of you to approve them and then Mhhutchins comes along more than 2 weeks later and just enters everything I did instead of approving my edits, which they could have done considering they're a mod. No offense, but I have to correct other people's edits constantly, including many of the moderators' edits, so I wonder if everything was entered correctly. Maybe someone should check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dungeons & Dragons: The Movie ==<br />
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Cancel and resubmit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737842 this one] with author name Neal Barret, Jr. (comma required) so all I have to do is make the name an alternate and variant the title. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:10, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Other Aliens ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5739567 this submission]. Why change only some of the pipe to page numbers? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:24, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Because they're all essays/interviews, standard for me when I fix stuff in collections/anthologies where the fiction is uncertain (see someone's note); I do the non-fiction stuff and leave the rest alone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:33, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Just to make sure I'm clear. You want to jumble the content titles because there is a note saying some of the title types could be wrong? Why not check the titles, clear the note, and replace all the pipes? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:48, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Never mind. I cancelled it and re-did it with just the archived link; RTrace was the one who entered the contents and the note so maybe now that there's a real copy to look at he'd like to verify all the contents and add the numbers. I'll ask him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Reformation of St. Jules ==<br />
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FWIW, specific references into the the locusmag index constantly change. Your usual method of putting it in the note to moderator is best. I know you were were just updating the existing note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:44, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Circus of Dr. Lao ==<br />
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Take a second look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968542 this one]. Price looks like 1.25. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. Price sticker which is front cover only in images added to other editions here is divided between front and back in this copy, 1 and 25. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:05, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 31 Days ==<br />
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https://editablegifs.com/gifs/gifs/halloween-10/output.gif. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Best Stories of Thomas Burke ==<br />
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Will you be adding the contents to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?969016 this pub]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:20, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Probably not because today will be my last day editing here until October 1st (Halloween season). I usually don't like to enter numbers for older books unless I see an actual copy, usually on Archive.org, because sometimes contents pages are inaccurate. If you feel like entering them you can do that; maybe a copy will turn up someday and numbers can be verified. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Shattered Mask ==<br />
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I agree with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5750006 your submission] that the art credit s/b 'Terese Neilsen'. Do you agree this is a simple misspelling that should be an alternate name for 'Terese Nielsen'? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:15, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree. EDIT: You fixed it but I noticed the following art credit for a Dragon issue says "only as" and uses her canonical name, which seems wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:28, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Good catch. The parent title was corrected 2 years ago but the erroneous variant was never merged. Fixed now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:51, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pines ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756035 submission] to add a disambiguator of "(excerpt)" to {{T|2071435|The Pines}}. Your note to the moderator asserts that it's an excerpt from the author's novel of the same name, but does not cite a source for this assertion. Miller/Contento, which ordinarily does identify excerpts, does not do so in this instance but instead lists it as a short story. Could you please let me know what your source is? Also, if we do proceed with this edit, excerpts are generally entered as SHORTFICTION without a length, so the short story length should be blanked as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:43, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/after-hours-volume-1-number-3-summer-1989; See copyright page (I assume I came across this long ago and it stuck in my head but I never got around to changing it until now; Dunbar's short story writing didn't start until 10 years later). Also, I noticed the art wasn't entered except for the cover but interior artists are mentioned on contents page and I saw a later issue on eBay that also mentions the artists so someone who's interested could probably cobble most or all of the issues from various online sources and add art credits. I checked all 25 issues and none of them have interior art credits and none are PV so it wouldn't need checking with anyone else to add those credits. There's also the issue of having to change starting page numbers by 1 for those stories that begin with an illustration and a lot of the stories don't have lengths because editors likely added contents for most or all of the issues from Locus/Philsp and they call very short stories "vignettes" and those often are not given lengths here. EDIT: I just added, in an edit, "excerpt" to Lisa Cantrell's "The Ridge" which is from her novel with a .jpg link to the contents page of that After Hours issue. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. I'll leave the interior art to you. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I feel like I've said this before but print and/or online sources of information are totally unreliable so what Miller/Contento or anyone else says can't be trusted. Also, aren't you one of the magazine guys? Because whenever I add a story link you run through all the issues of the zine it appeared in and fix whatever needs fixing, sometimes doing almost nothing else for a couple of days. I'd think that many/all of the 25 issues missing any credit for the artwork would be something that needed fixing (seems odd that no one ever noticed before me, apparently, since the magazine ended its run in 1995 just before this site was created). Makes no sense to leave it to me because I haven't been doing any new edits since Labor Day except for a very small amount that I felt needed doing (the few edits you rejected recently which I did over again, a couple of unstable cover replacements for books I PV, a few D. F. Lewis story links, and the excerpt edits mentioned above) and when I start again in October I'll have totally forgotten any of this and, hopefully, after Halloween I won't be doing any of this at all. But that's OK, I'll leave a message on Community Portal copy-and-pasting what I wrote above and I'm sure at least a few editors will be glad to get credit for adding a whole bunch of artists to these magazines, many of which were/are major figures in their field, assuming anyone actually bothers to respond. If nobody does it's no big deal because if anyone really cared they would have been added many years ago. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:20, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Bell of Nendrum ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5761871 submission] to add ''The Bell of Nendrum''. Reading the blurb on the back, it appears to be a historical novel. Do you have evidence that it contains supernatural or other genre elements? With only two novels listed, I wouldn't think that J. S. Andrews is above the threshold which would allow non-genre works. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:51, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The USA edition is on ISFDB and a note from someone says it was originally published in the UK under this title so I entered it. If it doesn't qualify then the other edition should be removed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I see it is listed in Reginald. I'll approve. Please make the US title into a variant of the original. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:05, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bogies conjunction ==<br />
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I realize it's an old submission, but for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719018 this], where did you get "&"? I got a Google Books preview of the second edition to show me both the TOC and title page, and it is "Bogies Ancient and Modern" in both. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:50, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I was very confused about this because I distinctly remembered using an actual copy of the old edition; turns out that edit was rejected, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001, months ago for something minor and I forgot about it. So since RTrace is "away" again maybe you can un-reject it and then add the one-sentence info he was complaining about being lost to the re-named publisher. Re: this story it's spelled with an "and" on contents page and top of story's right-hand pages but with an "&" on story's title page in the old edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Got it, thanks. I think I have it all fixed up now. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Dequer ==<br />
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I accepted your submissions for the two different John [H.] Dequer credits. I made the assumption that each is the same person, and Google suggests "John H. Dequer" was how he was broadly known, so I made [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369598 that] the canonical and made the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369597 H-less one] be the alternate name. If you think that's wrong, please edit as you think appropriate, or let me know and I will do it. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:16, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK. I'm adding a link about the author to his record now if you want to approve it; seems he was a shady character and a lot about him is not clear. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm not sure if the author change review screen tells me about submissions accepted out of order the way the publications review screen does.... Did you mean to change the information I had dug up (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5789909 this view]), or did we cross-post? If it was accidental, I can combine the info. If it was deliberate, that's ok. I'm certainly not up on which of these sort of sites is more (or less) authoritative than another. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:58, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I just rejected mine and did it over, again adding the Blogspot link. Everything else would be yours so check to make sure everything you did is there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:11, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. Sorry about the extra work. Nice little find. Shady character, indeed! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:18, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ransom's / Gorman's "Anruf um Mitternacht" ==<br />
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Hello, Username! Can you please cancel your submissions regarding this publication / title? I just updated the records (and there's a translator credit if one uses the sources most valuable). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:51, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I saw 2 of them with that title in my massive backlog of pending edits so I cancelled both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:55, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, likely one for the title and one for the publication. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:02, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Continuing discussion from Mavmaramis' talk page ==<br />
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While you may doubt whether Mavmaramis cares about long posts arguing about your perceived grievances, I make no such claim as to their state of mind. I wouldn't like it if editors did that on my talk page, so I'm moving my comments here.<br />
*Re: Contacting only one verifier when several are active.<br />
*:You stated that you you didn't ask Mavmaramis about the Eshbach book, because you could not determine whether they were active. I pointed out that the last activity date is visible with the verification. You then argued that that date isn't how you determine whether is someone is active, but rather, it's whether they respond to you in the wiki. <br />
*:Your definition of who is active is not workable. An editor is active if they've made edits whether they post in the Wiki or not. In this case Mavmaramis is the only other verifier for the book you asked me about. Mavmaramis' last edit was on 10/24, and they posted a response to a question from you on their talk page on 10/25. Yet, you stated "it's always confusing trying to remember who's still active". I see no reason to be confused. If a verifier has a recent date in their "Last User Activity Date", they are active and must be consulted before making substantive changes to the record. If you are making the edit, you must contact all of them. If you are asking a question, it's a good idea to ask all of them, especially if you are asking that the publication be changed. Asking only a single verifier, shifts the work of notifying others to the verifier that you asked.<br />
*Re: Whether editors will engage with you<br />
*:I am aware that multiple moderators have publicly stated they will no longer moderate your edits. I'm merely stating that it wouldn't surprise me if there are editors who will not respond to your posts on the Community Portal and other pages. It's not a matter of popularity. It's likely about avoiding interactions that are unpleasant.<br />
*Re: Using the canonical name for artists.<br />
*:I stated that it's "OK" and "acceptable" to use the canonical name for artists. Why you would think that I meant that it is required to do so escapes me. Especially since in the context of the original post to Mavmaramis, I stated that I was happy to change Fabian's credit and sought their agreement to do so.<br />
*Re: How many edits I moderate.<br />
*:You asserted that the velocity of my moderations has decreased. I questioned why you were tracking how many edits I moderate and you replied that your reason for tracking my moderations is because of how much you have to scroll when looking for a particular edit. <br />
*:There are over 20 moderators who have been active in the last month, yet any delay in moderating your edits is because of my velocity? You claim you have no interest in me, yet you make claims about about my rate of moderation. Both things can't be true. As to the edits of yours that I have skipped (and those are moderated insofar as I have to evaluate them find them unable to be approved), I've explained to you many times that they generally fall into two categories. You either neglect to get the assent of active verifiers, or you neglect to document your sources for the change in the moderator notes. While I post a question on your talk page, for each of these and then wait for you to respond (or more likely argue why you don't think you have to fix the problem), I simply don't have time or inclination do so, aside from the extra burden of having to track dozens (hundreds?) of conversations back to pending edits. If you find your edits languishing in the queue, maybe review them yourself and if they fall into these two categories, cancel the edit and reissue, seek approval from the verifiers, or reissue the edit with proper documentation.<br />
Hopefully, this addresses the points you raised. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:32, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::There are, as of 9:15 this morning, 1,872 pending edits of which nearly 1,000 are mine. We need moderators to approve them in a timely manner. Some of you should figure out a way to do that. Also see this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi, where I am #6 on the all-time list of Editors on ISFDB and, of the 5 ahead of me, 3 are inactive, 1 is deceased, and 1 is a robot. I am the most prolific ACTIVE editor in the 17 year history of public editing, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Beta, on this site, and I've only been editing for less than 3 years. So my edits get approved one way or another; all I need is 2 mods, one to approve and another to step in if the first one is not available. I've had mods get angry and stop approving my edits before but they usually come back, sometimes leaving again after they disagree with other people on this site, so it makes no difference to me. You all had problems long before I got here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Christmas Eve ==<br />
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https://images.wondershare.com/filmora/article-images/2021/day-after-xmas-meme1.jpg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:10, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Night in Funland ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805002 submission] to merge two title records for the story "Night in Funland". The issue is that this would change the spelling of the author's name in two verified publications. Please contact the verifiers and have them check the spelling. If it differs, then you would need to make a variant and adjust the date accordingly. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:05, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Vasha asked me about this back in 2017, and I thought it had been updated. I confirmed that Peden was correct. I can fix my pub [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:13, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Auric was the other PV, and he didn't respond back in 2018. I think we should accept the merge. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:20, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I'm not really willing to release this hold until all of the active verifiers have weighed in, or been given a chance to do so. Whether or not [[User:Auric|Auric]] responded to a post 5 years ago isn't really material to this discussion. Please see [[Help:How to change verified publications|this help page]]. Per the note on Auric's talk page, we've been asked to be patient in waiting for a response. However, since Username failed to ask about Auric's publication prior to submitting this edit, nor after the edit was held, they haven't really had a chance to respond yet. They have responded to inquiries as recently as November 14 which is after this edit was submitted. Had the notification been made prior to the edit as should have been done, Auric likely would have responded by now. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:02, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::He'll likely respond like most PV do here, with total disinterest because they stopped caring about being an editor a long time ago, they can't get a hold of their copy because they're moving soon/just finished moving or they're going in hospital/just out of hospital, or "how dare you imply I made a mistake". I assume it'll be one of those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:06, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Auric has responded and we all agree that Peden is correct. Can we release the hold now, [[User:Rtrace|Ron]]? [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:42, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::I wouldn't hold my breath. The pending edits list is about to hit 3,000 (nearly 2,000 of which are mine) for I believe the first time ever since I started 3 years ago. The 9:30 pause this morning for updating also took longer than I can ever remember, nearly 20 minutes. I also notice more fake spam accounts lately that mods have to block which takes time and there was 1 apparently non-fake account the other day by someone whose name was the N-word. So, you know, things aren't going very well and all we can do is wait until they get back on course. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved. Thanks for getting approvals from the verifiers. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:07, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959 this submission]: You state "Artist's signature on lower right of cover.", but there is no cover image. The Internet Archive scan does not have a cover image either. Do you have a source for the cover that we can link to or upload locally? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:48, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Muster_of_Ghosts_II. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:08, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodwars ==<br />
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You gave no reason or any evidence as to why you are changing the publisher on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737123 this submission]. I see you posted a message today on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Unapersson#Bloodwars PV's talk page], but there hasn't been any response yet. I've placed this on hold until you can provide evidence to support the publisher change. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Not to Be Taken at Bed-Time and Other Strange Stories ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5744184 this submission] on hold pending verification by [[User talk:Chavey|the PV]] of what appears on the title page. Covers and title pages don't always agree, and we go with what's on the title page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:21, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page is shown on FantLab; I added their ID in an edit last year. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur, the Bear of Britain ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5810001 this edit] that changes the author of {{P|279590|this publication}}. This is another edit where you are removing all references to an existing author and will consequently delete the author record and all included metadata. You really need to check existing authors and publishers when editing them within publication and title records to ensure that you are not removing the sole references. In this particular case, the author you are changing to already exists. Please copy the metadata from the author record you are deleting to the one you are replacing it with. This needs to be done before this edit can be approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:45, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I do not understand what you're attempting to do by cancelling your first edit and submitting a new one without correcting the author which you know to be incorrect. The only issue with the edit you cancelled was that it would delete {{A|Edward Percy Frankland}} which has metadata which would be lost. If the data was moved to the new author first, the delete wouldn't matter. What was your reason for not correcting the author record so that your original edit could be approved? I know you know how to update an author record with legal name, birthplace, dates, and webpage. You submit such edits all the time. Yet here, you refuse to do so. I'm going reject your new edit and un-reject your original one. Please move the metadata from Edward Percy Frankland to {{A|Edward Frankland}}, so that your original edit can be approved. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:52, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Let me explain something to you. Since Thanksgiving a week ago I've been sick with some kind of bronchial infection that's caused me to sneeze blood and cough up ropes of green phlegm. Yet I've continued to edit here every day at the same high volume I usually do. I feel better than I did a few days ago but am still not well yet. So you can reject, un-reject, or anything else you want to do. You're lucky I'm still doing any edits at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:01, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Sorry to hear that you are ill and hope you recover soon. By all means, wait until you feel better to respond. There is no hurry. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:36, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wired ==<br />
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Take another look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5812025 this submission]. Your cite Amazon as the source of your changes, but the publication date and format agree with our record (OL also says Jan 11 & pb). I agree with regularizing the publisher and correcting the Pages field. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:00, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I checked again and while Amazon India says 1 November Amazon Australia says 11 January; both have dimensions of 10.8 x 2.54 x 17.15 cm which would be just under TP size so I think you're right there. I'll cancel and re-do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Updated submission approved. Don't forget to cancel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5812026 this one]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
== Sifton ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?787111; <br />
Hi. It'll be a while before I find my copy, so I'll change it provisionally. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:40, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ninth Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to correct the prices on the {{P|44729|1st printing}} of ''The Ninth Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories''. The edit is essentially fine. However, this will lose the information about the 4th printing which you mention is the source for the existing pricing. I would recommend cloning the existing record to create a new record for the 4th printing. After that is approved, then this edit can be approved and we'll have records for both printings and no data will be lost. Let me know once you've cloned the record and we can proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:12, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I made a clone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XVIII ==<br />
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I found my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34048 S&S XVIII] and you are correct. The page count <b>is</b> 308. I can change it if you want. I've located my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34041 S&S XIX] and will double your suggested edits when I can get to it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:50, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Science Fictionisms ==<br />
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I would like you to pull your [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5881453 submission]] as I just uploaded a scanned cover image and noticed your pending submission. I will incorporate your archive.org link with it. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:15, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:25, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Cthulhu is misspelled in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:36, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Fixed. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:56, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Fire and Wings: Dragon Tales from East and West ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878747 this submission]. I agree the book is the 2002 printing, but I'm a little suspicious of the jacket. '0912' on the front flap. If the jacket is from a later printing, the price might be incorrect. What am I missing? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:28, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's the ages of who they market the books to. I checked another 2002 book from Cricket on Archive.org and it also says 0912. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:37, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thank you, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:38, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Aztec-Hunters ==<br />
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I agree with everything in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878782 this submission] except the Pages field. The largest Roman numeral I see is 'viii'. If you agree, I'll approve and then make the change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:45, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's always a judgment call with these situations. The second illustrations page should have a Roman numeral because it is continued from the previous page, viii, but older books often left the last number off depending on whether it was facing a blank page or on a left-hand or right-hand page or whatever; other older books just printed the number without a problem. So if you want to you can add the missing number in brackets or something like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:54, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: There is no judgement involved. From the help: "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers for introductory material, followed by Arabic numerals for the main text of the book, enter both sets of numbers. For example, a book with a page count field of "viii+320" has "viii" as the highest numbered page with a Roman numeral..." In the above publication; If the next page was material that warranted a title record, the Pages field would still be 'viii+363' and the content page number would be 'ix'. Roman numeral pages can never have a bracket. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:05, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== 1948 Fantasy Annual ==<br />
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There are several problems with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878597 this submission].<br />
* From the help section [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date Date] - "<b>Dating Periodicals</b> - Except for reprints (see Periodical Reprints), use the issue's "cover date", regardless of when the issue became available." Therefor 1948 is the correct date.<br />
* From the help section [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title Title] - "Magazines. For the title of a magazine, the best source is the information (often below the table of contents) about the publisher, giving the address; this often says something like "IF is published monthly by . . . ." If this is not present, the magazine cover and the heading on the contents page are about equal in priority; again take a good guess." Granted, the cover and T-O-C are equally weighted. However, since the cover title seems better known, per secondary sources, I think we should stay with that. <br />
I suggest cancelling the submission and resubmit the archive.org link. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:16, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ''Driftwood's Crusade'' ==<br />
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Hi. Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5845047 this submission]. I found on [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Driftwood_s_Crusade/oUTQGAAACAAJ?hl=en Google Books] something that agrees with the 2007-08-01 and the 216 page count. I notice it is a hardcover. I suspect the one on [https://archive.org/details/driftwoodscrusad0000davi Archive.org] that you were looking at is for a different, paperback edition. Note the crease on the front cover and the lack of jacket flaps in the scan. The long dimension given in the metadata is 18 cm (7"), which would be typical for a paperback. Also, C$10.95 pb price would be somewhat consistent with an hc price of $14.95 (whether USD or CAD). The format difference could explain the significantly different page count. August 2007 might or might not have an ISBN-13, but later editions would. On [https://www.bayeux.com/products/driftwoods-crusade?_pos=1&_sid=c1cb85c38&_ss=r bayeux.com], they list 2009 and 2011 publication dates for trade paperback + ebook (no mention of hardcover). What do you think? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:39, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I cancelled and made a new one with more exact wording. Seems to be some confusion with this publisher here because the other 2 series books have unknown and TP for format. War is also on Archive.org and there seems to be another that either was overlooked or possibly is not genre so there's more to check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Literature of the Supernatural ==<br />
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Will you be importing the content titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995705 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:12, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Accidental Time Machine ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338 The Accidental Time Machine]. Re: your note to moderator "shouldn't this book be $99.00 like the others in the set?". The PV appears active, ask them. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:07, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I don't see anything from them in almost 2 years so they're not really active and verification was transient, anyway. It was just a thought I had, I didn't really expect anyone to answer. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:51, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I made the change you suggested and posted to their talk page. Their last activity was 2024-02-18. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:15, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Another World: Adventures in Otherness ==<br />
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I think the title of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36129 all three] should be "Another World: A Science Fiction Anthology". What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:50, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best Horror Stories: XIX ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50782<br />
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the pages field for this one should be vii+366 {{Unsigned2| 08:41, February 22, 2024| Faustus}}<br />
:No, because intro starts on 15; only separate non-sequential numbering should be entered. I know some people do it otherwise, like a lot of DAW Books I've seen, but that's wrong, maybe not technically per ISFDB rules but still wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::i'll change it and let the mods decide {{Unsigned2| 09:00, February 22, 2024| Faustus}}<br />
:::I've asked them. Also, sign your messages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Our American King ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?316792 Our American King]. Afterr approving your edit, I removed 'bc' as a page number for the back cover artwork. From the help - "bc - back cover of a magazine which doesn't include the covers in its pagination." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:34, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vann Anson Lister ==<br />
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What's the point of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5886634 this submission]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:54, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There doesn't seem to be bio info for this author online and the Night Cry issue where one of their stories appeared is on Archive.org but there's no info there, either; I found that obit which identifies him as a "son" so I decided to add it. Knowing something is better than nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Frankenstein ==<br />
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Shouldn't [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?470918 this one] be a CHAPBOOK like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1850634 the others]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Best American Fantasy 2 ==<br />
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Re; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5889256 this submission]. If I approve this, the preface will have the identical title as in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256634 Best American Fantasy]. Resubmit adding the appropriate disambiguation. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
: Why not correct this, instead of trolling the new approvals. Give [[User talk:TomLucas|Tom Luscas]] a chance to communicate before you jump into the thread. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:21, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::There's no trolling, in order to do that I'd actually have to care about any of this, I just regularly check the "recent changes" page, saw an unusual title, typed it on the Archive and there it was so, as I've done thousands and thousands of times before, I improved a record by adding info or fixing incorrect info that previous editors added. It's unlikely any of you or Mr. Lucas would ever have done that, especially since he entered his own book with the wrong number of pages and no price even though both would be obvious by actually looking at a copy which he must own since he PV it; he also seemingly didn't know the difference between a PB and a TP or that ISBN-13 have been used for all books since 2007 which is 5 years before his book was published. It's the usual case where a writer just wants to get their book(s) noticed and/or sell some more copies but doesn't care much about actually entering them correctly. One of you could probably improve on my edit after it's approved because contents page has a "i" for the first page but there is none on the page itself and it doesn't even have the same title + there's a credit for photography on the copyright page but it doesn't specify what that means, possibly the author photo on the back or maybe there's some photos inside the book so if anyone thinks any of this should be entered or noted you can do that. Also, I don't have to answer anything right away. There are hundreds and hundreds of messages, mostly on Community Portal, where I asked for help, offered my help, or tried to get a discussion going and nobody ever answered. I looked at this American Fantasy thing recently and they both have the same title, as usual with these Prime Books or whichever shoddy Sean Wallace publishing imprint put them out they're a mess with wrong covers, titles that nobody online can agree on, books announced but never published, etc. I thought of asking about this on the Portal but didn't bother because it's just a waste of time; if you'd like to do something with it feel free, variant or merge or whatever. Once I'm done with an edit I move on and have a hard time remembering what I did before, like the 1,400 edits I have currently pending or whatever the number is now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:04, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Neither a variant nor merge would be correct. A quick glimpse at both texts reveal they are totally different. Thus we disambiguate. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:48, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Terrific. Also, I added pub. series to one of his other books which nobody noticed even though it's on the cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:54, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== H. P. Lovecraft's Book of the Supernatural: 20 Classics of the Macabre, Chosen by the Master of Horror Himself ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5780146 this submission] on hold as you gave no reason for the name change. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:05, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Halloweenland ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801753 this submission] on hold as you are changing the page numbers and haven't contacted the PV to make sure they are okay with that. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:39, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Since the guy hasn't responded to a message on his board for more than 3 years it's probably pointless but I'll do it, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Same with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801754 this one] as you are changing the punctuation of one of the stories in that volume. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Flights ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801924 this submission] on hold as the archive.org version is only available to those with disabilities and what they do show does not verify the change you are submitting. I don't see any attempt to contact the two PVs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Enter xiii in search box next to magnifying glass. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:59, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [The] Bokanalia [Memorial] Foundation ==<br />
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I have come across your submission wanting to change a publisher credit from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?53142 The Bokanalia Foundation] to "The Bokanalia Memorial Foundation". I did find a picture corroborating that [https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/flights-angel-life-legend-hannes-bok-4667422739 here]. I noticed everything under that publisher was entered and verified by one person (Bob). I am thinking that perhaps he was consistently mistaken with regard to the missing "Memorial". E.g., aside from the one you submitted a change for, I found pictures of [https://www.ebay.com/itm/235408653846 A Memorial Portfolio] showing a "Bokanalia Memorial Foundation" 1970 copyright. I also found [http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/2496/1266/1600/986771/Bok2text.jpg this picture] of a bulletin using "Bokanalia Memorial Foundation" and providing its mailing address. So I am considering renaming the publisher to either "The Bokanalia Memorial Foundation" or "Bokanalia Memorial Foundation". Alas, we have lost Bob, so we cannot ask him to review the credits. What do you think? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:15, 7 March 2024 (EST)</div>
MartyD
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:STRTRKNFGP1974.jpg&diff=681363
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<p>MartyD: {{CID1
|Title=Star Trek 10
|Edition=Bantam Books 1974 pb
|Pub=STRTRKNFGP1974
|Publisher=Bantam Books
|Artist=S. Fantoni
|ArtistId=64431
|Source=Downloaded from an EBay listing for the same edition by User:MartyD, cropped and resized}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Star Trek 10<br />
|Edition=Bantam Books 1974 pb<br />
|Pub=STRTRKNFGP1974<br />
|Publisher=Bantam Books<br />
|Artist=S. Fantoni<br />
|ArtistId=64431<br />
|Source=Downloaded from an EBay listing for the same edition by [[User:MartyD]], cropped and resized}}</div>
MartyD
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard&diff=681362
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<p>MartyD: /* Hound Dog */ done</p>
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== SV removal ==<br />
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In the USD edition of {{P|290822|Dilvish, the Damned}} Reginald3 is correctly SV'd and numbered. In the {{P|10142|Canadian printing}} it has also been SV'd - wrongly. Could someone remove that and mark it N/A. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:42, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== adding a publication ==<br />
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Can a publication listing be added before the item is offered for sale? (i.e., I have obtained an ARC with all relevant info, but the book is not scheduled for publication for a couple more weeks) {{unsigned|Fabius}}<br />
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: The short answer is "yes". To quote [[Help:Screen:NewPub]]:<br />
:* '''Future Publication Dates''' - ISFDB captures records for some publications that have been announced for release in the future.<br />
:** New publications announced for the near future (within the next 90 days) should be given that future publication date.<br />
:** Do not create records for newly announced publications scheduled for release more than 90 days into the future, as these plans often change.<br />
: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: One small note to add - if you are working from an ARC, mention it in the notes (when we work from pre-release records, we note the date for example making it obvious that we are adding pre-publication). Things change between ARCs and the actual book occasionally so that will minimize the risk of us ending with two separate records downstream. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Second set of eyes please. ==<br />
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I've submitted a publication [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5709664 deletion]] that I'd rather not self-approve as it involves someone else's entry and PV. Thank you in advance. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:23, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: After reviewing the data I agree that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?483390 record 483390] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556122 record 556122] apparently describe the same pub. I see that one of them has been verified by you and the other one by [[User:Don Erikson]], who has been inactive for the last 3+ years.<br />
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: One way to handle this situation would be for you to delete "your" pub record, then to primary-verify Don's pub, thus keeping both primary verifications. Would that work for you? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:58, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: An obvious approach. I reloaded the cover image as well. Will deleting a publication automatically get rid of the associated image? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:46, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The only effect deleting the publication has on the wiki page is breaking the link back to the publication. I went ahead and deleted it, mod only function, since you reloaded the image and created a new wiki page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:23, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mouser Goes Below ==<br />
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Hello. After a long while, I have released this edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5374496] for other moderators to have a look. While Willem agrees it's a Novel rather than a Novella, I am not entirely comfortable with affecting the change. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Examining the text in my ebook collection, I see that the submitter is correct: it contains over 64.5K words. I would make it a NOVEL and leave a canned message on the primary verifiers' Talk pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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PS. Real-life hasn't been nice to me the last couple of months, hence my absence from the site. Not sure when/if I will be back... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry to hear about the real life issues! Hopefully things will improve sooner rather than later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I've approved the change to NOVEL and fixed all the translations to be NOVEL types as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:37, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hollowing ==<br />
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Hello Mods. I have a question regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289319 this] publication. I made a note that the book has an appendix, which is an in-universe folk tale of Ryhope Wood by Goerg Huxley - i.e. it's fictional. The tale has a title and a note before it making it appear as if it is an out of universe (i.e. a 'real world') tale. Should I add this as content ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 02:07, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think your treatment is fine, unless we discover the same story ended up published elsewhere. You might adjust the note to call out that it's a fictional appendix, and its credited author, "George Huxley" is an in-universe character. If you did want to make a content entry for it, I think you'd need to title it something like: "<whatever> by George Huxley" and make the author credit be Robert Holdstock. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'll leave it as is and amend the note per your suggestion. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:16, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who to credit ? ==<br />
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Hello Mods. The can of worms of cover design vs cover photo opens again with the two Gollancz editions of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102350 Trillion Year Spree]. I made a note for my trade paperback copy that it states "Jacket design by Don Macpherson (over) Jacket photograph by Peter Letts" on backcover. The hardback credits Macpherson wheres the trade paperback credits Letts. So which one of those two get's the cover art credit ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Macpherson does not get a credit under any circumstances - designers never do. If the hardback only credits "cover: Macpherson", then I'd been inclined to add a "Macpherson (in error)" credit and pseudonym to Letts thus allowing a variant cover and credits as per the books. As long as Letts photographs are on the cover and not the author photo of course. Alternatively, no credit for anyone and just notes (photographs are a bit of a gray area sometimes as Cover Artists but if you decide to credit -- it should be Letts). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:46, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks Annie. Maybe you could tell Makwood that as I tried to ask him what his hardback copy said (ghaving quoted him what mine said). See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Trillion_Year_Spree here] where he states "So, you're saying the jacket front is a photograph, and not a graphic design? Doesn't appear that way to me". Gonna change the credit. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:46, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brainchild ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5716829; I added 2 ID and a note about page count but it insists that I did something with the title which I didn't. Why is that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the raw database data, I see that the main ANTHOLOGY title has a page number, "|1", associated with it. It wasn't displayed when you edited the publication record because the "Page" field is grayed out and not editable for ANTHOLOGY (and other "container") titles. My first guess was that at one point this publication was a NOVEL or another non-container and the non-container title had "|1" assigned to it. Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?297598 Edit History], I see that this pub did have its title type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3992773 changed to ANTHOLOGY on 2018-10-14], which suggests that my guess was correct.<br />
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: Once your submission is approved, the "|1" page number will disappear. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:54, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change required for variant name: Ren Qing -> Channing Ren ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366142 任青] is listed on the Hugo finalist list with the western name "Ren Qing". When I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959764 the tp pub that has their story], I noted that various sources reported them as Channing Ren.<br />
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I've now bought [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960977 the ebook pub], and - Sod's Law - it turns out that Channing Ren is how they are listed in the actual antho, see [https://twitter.com/ErsatzCulture/status/1679946416830001154/photo/1 here].<br />
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Could someone update [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366143 the Ren Qing author record] accordingly please? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:37, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Also, as an FYI, changing the author name in the English Title record from "Ren Qing" to "Channing Ren" would have deleted the "Ren Qing" author record and created a new author record for "Channing Ren". The new author record would then need to be turned into an alternate name of "任青", but it could be done by a self-approver. Not a big deal, just something to keep in mind in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:31, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks; I did wonder if something like that was doable, but I thought better to just punt it here.<br />
:: There's another one coming down the line, which I've put off, because I spent a day trying to get my head round it, and trying to write it up to confirm (a) a consensus for that course of action, and (b) how exactly to tackle it, isn't something I'm relishing. I don't think many westerners have realized there are 2 different Hugo finalists called [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?344566 杨枫] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366182 杨枫(I)], and IMHO we probably have the disambiguations the wrong way round, as the former should probably be an alternate name for 天爵, who isn't in the database yet. Something to look forward too... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:32, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolfe - Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus - novel and novella dating ==<br />
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Whilst editing two of my own English language pubs of this title I noticed some dating which someone, hopefully, can clarify for me.<br />
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There are two novella titles by different translators {{T|1582693|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} and {{T|1699730|1982-05-00 by Eva Malsch}}.<br />
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The novel {{T|1347139|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} dating looks ok as does the Eva Malsch translation but I don't see a 1974-11-00 Yoma Cap novella publication - only the {{P|414367|1984-04-00}} one as the first instance.<br />
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The note in the {{T|1957|1972-04-00}} novel title page refers to the German translations but doesn't help me.<br />
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So, do we treat the novel and the novella as having the same first instance date? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sequence of events as I understand it is as follows:<br />
:* The novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41405 "The Fifth Head of Cerberus"] was published in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25103 ''Orbit 10''] on 1972-02-16.<br />
:* The novella version became Part 1 of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1957 novel version which used the same title], ''The Fifth Head of Cerberus'', and was first published on 1972-04-00.<br />
:* Both the novella version and the novel version were subsequently reprinted by various US/UK publishers.<br />
:* The second part of the novel version was later reprinted as a separate novelette [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''] in a 1994-07-00 anthology. We have it dated "1994-07-00".<br />
:* Yoma Cap's first German translation of the novel version was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347139 ''Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus''] in 1974-11-00.<br />
:* The first part of Yoma Cap's German translation (which corresponds to the novella version of "The Fifth Head of Cerberus") was [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 reprinted in 1984 and then again in 2002]. The title date of this title is currently set to "1974-11-00" and matches the date of the first publication of the German ''novel''.<br />
:* The third (and final) part of the ''English'' novel hasn't been reprinted as a separate novella. However, the third part of Yoma Cap's ''German'' translation was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T.", a separate novella] on 1983-04-00. The title date of this title is currently set to "1983-04-00".<br />
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: The problem then is that we have an inconsistency. The separate English appearance of the second part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''], is currently dated "1994-07-00" and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. Similarly, the separate German appearance of the third part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T."], is dated 1983-04-00 and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. However, the separate German appearance of the novella version (which is the same as the first part of the novel), is dated "1974-11-00", when the novel translation appeared, as opposed to "1984-04-00", which is when the separate German version appeared.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would suggest changing the title date of the novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 "Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus"] from 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:17, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for taking such a careful look at this and your elegant answer. It resolves my uncertainty about novella/novel treatment and confirms where I thought the problem lay - your 6th bullet point homes in on that. I've submitted the change 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00 as you've suggested :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The submission has been approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:44, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mod Bob ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Moderator-availability; Bob should be removed from the list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:58, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:04, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Spencer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131734; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elizabeth-Spencer/e/B01MFH59N3; Last 2 stories are by a young lady with the same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like Stonecreek has already changed their author from "Elizabeth Spencer" to "Elizabeth Spencer (I)". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, except he added her image to webpage field by mistake, so I've just moved it to the right field, pending approval. Also, the older Spencer has a photo under "Movies, TV and Bio" on Amazon but as usual with "S" URL photos like those ISFDB won't accept them with or without the trailing stuff before .jpg, giving an unsupported message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Your submission is approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:08, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete x2 ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the older images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGM2014.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGB2014.jpg here]. Uploaded by mistake. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted as requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:36, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1968198; I added link to Hodder and created a new record for Crowell, it's W. J. Dawson in both, author name neeeds changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawsey ? Hayes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001; I am not entering all of that info again just for a minor publisher name change so if someone knows how to preserve the one sentence in the publisher record then my edit can be un-rejected. Seems to me it would have made more sense to accept the edit and then cut-and-paste the sentence into the publisher record afterwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I first went to the publisher record and changed the name there. Then that portion of your submission effectively became a no-up (changing the existing name to the same thing, so no publisher deletion), so I was able to un-reject it and approve it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Johnsgard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5718012; I made another edit adding all info except name change, cover artists entered with alternate name for the man so after it's accepted that can be used as the parent, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Change made and submissions approved. Submit an edit to import the cover art credit into the tp and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SJS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=solomon+j&type=Name; 1 credit each for the last 2 guys, your decision which is parent and which is variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:23, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?360672 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:28, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Islands in the Sky cover art ==<br />
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Entry for cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?652621 this] publication shows two different images, although the spacestation is the same the approaching rocket has been replaced by a boy on the 1984 edition - both images are by Peter Andrew Jones. Should the later edition's image not be seperated out and varianted ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:40, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We variant for author, title, language and title type (artwork & serials only). We do not variant for a difference in the artwork. It's the same and we merge or it isn't. The same meaning "all or part of one appears in the other". [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:47, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Alrighty. I only queried since there is a substantial difference between the one signed 'PAJ 80 Solar Wind' and the one signed 'PAJ 81' --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If you think they are different enough, you can unmerge them and add notes on the reasons for it. I think they fall under our "is contained in" or "is part of" rule so they are ok as they are but the rules in that area can be interpreted differently. As John mentioned, they cannot be variants though so the choice is between what we have now and 2 separate unconnected entries. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. I made a note in regards to the difference on the publication, plus the difference is obvious when viewing the cover art entry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Matheson's Musings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Zapp#Musings; Do mods agree that it should be changed to an essay? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:26, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author name change needed ==<br />
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The spelling for author LJ Cohen is currently "L. J. Cohen" [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?203069 sic]. Would a moderator please change it to her preferred spelling of "LJ Cohen"? That is the spelling she uses on her [https://www.ljcohen.net/ website] and which appears on the titles currently recorded in ISFDB. I think the current spelling is a holdover from old spelling rules. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The rules are still valid especially because these are initials (so not really old spelling rules) - but they also allow for author's preference to take precedence. I've changed it and added a note on the page so someone does not "fix" it. As you are the only PV of any of her book I saw, consider this also a notification for the changed in your PVd book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:54, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== (Slightly) clashing pending edits for author Juleen Brantingham ==<br />
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I just submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5730414 5730414], but I get a yellow warning for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730402 5730402] which makes a similar change. My edit is a superset of the latter - adds a more details place of birth, obit link and expanded note - so could someone reject 5730402, or at least apply it before my edit 5730414 gets applied, so nothing gets lost? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Approved them in the correct sequence. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:17, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Horus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722514; Can someone change the publisher to Horus Publishing? After that's done will that lead to unrejecting my edit? Because I've done hundreds since then and it's kind of hard to remember what I did for a single edit days or weeks ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: All good now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:27, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Architecture of Desire ==<br />
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Entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518517 this] cover art has combined three entirely different pieces of art by Chris Brown. Note that [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0e/BKTG04149.jpg this] is not the same as [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/e5/BKTG04151.jpg this] - there are substanial diferences between the two pieces. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:53, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are definitely different. I've separated them into the three pieces. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:44, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:23, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Printing ==<br />
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http://www.cars101.com/firstid.html; I think this would be helpful; I have a pending edit adding a Random House book which starts with 2 in the number line but it's not a 2nd printing, that's how they started their lines for much of their history. Can this be added to Help or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reeves-Stevens - Phase II: The Lost Series ==<br />
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The coverart credit as it stands {{P|32543|here}} is wrong, can we have help from a moderator to sort it out? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:How is it wrong? Have you contacted [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] to see what it states on the copyright page? Is there separate art on the front and back covers? If it's a mashup up two pieces of art, each by one of the two credited artists, the listing is correct. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jem ==<br />
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There seems to be two entries for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117921 this] publication. The note for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322056 this] version also has a 1980 printing and a £1.50 price and points to (presumably) the true 1980 printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?JMRCPBTPGS1980 here]. Can't determine what the difference between the two entries could possibly be. Thoughts ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:36, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accidental cover upload ==<br />
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Hello Mods I inadvertantly uploaded the hardback cover art for a paperback edition (that'll teah me to look first). Title in question is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27997 Return to Eden]. If someone could revert it back to what it was previously that' be great. I have uploaded it to the correct hardback edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Reverted. I also approved your submission adding the image to the Grafton hc. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:24, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg; My cover doesn't show up but neither does the cover someone else uploaded last year. Can someone get my cover to show up? Also, I made an edit adding editor as cover artist so can you approve that, too. You also may want to check to see if the other person uploaded a cover for the American edition (different title) because there's no cover there, either. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== TCASFW Discussion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#TCASFW; When one of you approves my edit you can discuss with this PV what you'd like to do. I think their final message is that one of their volumes has a dash and one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:46, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding image credit , please ==<br />
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Good day,<br />
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I need help.<br />
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I would like to have an INTERIOR ART CREDIT added for Author record # 269730 ; Carl Lavoie.<br />
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It’s in the recent<br />
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Vastarien: A Literary Journal. Vol. 6, Issue 1<br />
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and it’s the frontispiece illustration, ‘The Evil Eye'.<br />
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Here’s a link to a sample of the issue, the illustration is right after the cover page:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/Vastarien-Literary-Journal-vol-issue/dp/B0CBT4B6D1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28D1CYLFVH4XL&keywords=vastarien+literary&qid=1692175645&sprefix=%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-1&asin=B0CBT4B6D1&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1<br />
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And here’s a link to the publisher, listing the content of the recent issue:<br />
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https://grimscribepress.com/issues/<br />
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Thank you. And have a wonderful day.<br />
-Carl Lavoie<br />
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: Thank you for getting interested in our little project. However, it seems as if the issue you refer to hasn't been added yet; the latest one I can find is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?872536 this] from 2021.<br />
: But before you or someone else becomes active and enters it: this seems to be a general literary journal which then wouldn't be eligible per se to ISFDB (which is devoted to speculative fiction); for such a journal only the speculative fiction items, the artwork illustrating them, and essays referring to speculative fiction would be allowed to be included in the entry (see [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions these definitions]. Please think about it, and then think if you'd like to get help to add the publication in question. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:18, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Frederick, Chambers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5746601; I came across Quick Action by Robert W. Chambers and added links (and a Canadian reprint) and then decided to enter links and stuff for other Chambers books illustrated by Frederick. Ran into trouble immediately because Tracer of Lost Persons is as by "R. W. Chambers" so if someone can approve my edit so it can be made a variant and month added to title record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:54, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MRC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2970668; An Archive.org link was recently upped for his 2014 novel so I added a link then I saw that his recent novel didn't have cover art in both editions so I imported it, then I noticed that the cover artist, who is also the author, didn't have a period added after R so it's a separate record. Since R with a period has bio info that means if I add a period it will erase the info, I think, so if one of you can add it without erasing the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I fixed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK) ==<br />
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I'm editing {{P|178073|Asimov's Extraterrestrials}} and on the title page is stated "Dragon [over] Grafton Books [over] A Division of the Collins Publishing Group". We have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27309 Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK)] but my understanding is that we don't record the owners (Collins) of the publishers (Grafton). If that's correct, the four publications (also 1986) listed in that category should be "Dragon / Grafton" (as imprint / publisher). If moderators agree, that's what I propose using in the Publisher field for my edit (and I could also amend the four other publications to the same). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:40, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Not hearing any objections, I'll wait another few days and then implement the above. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:54, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== With/with ==<br />
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I happened to notice that a mod is correcting "With" to "with" in a lot of records. Is there some way to trawl all the records and automatically correct wrongly capitalized words (or vice versa) with a patch or something? Seems like that would be helpful and save a lot of time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multiple Archive.org Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756500; Can a mod approve my edits for Number 87 from the first one linked above and ending with 5756519? I want to know if adding the second Archive.org link which someone added to the title records instead of the Macmillan edition's record will erase the much more recent link, uploaded this year, which I added in my first edit. On a side note, author's collection Thoughts in Prose and Verse also has been linked, no contents, in case anyone cares to read it and enter genre stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Does everything look as you intended? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:32, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, I don't know, I've completely confused myself. I see one title record still has old link that I removed and I missed another Macmillan link, so I've removed it again and added new link. I don't even think my note above was correct because the new link is for the UK edition so it wouldn't erase the US link. Forget it, I can't do this stuff anymore, 2 more links to approve when you get a chance, someone else will have to take a look and make sure links are where they're supposed to be along with everything else, I'm done. I've got to get out of here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== image delete request ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the old (04:13 hrs) image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DRKBNDCTNF2015.jpg here]. (edit) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:ErsatzCulture#Miller_-_Dark_Benediction this discussion]. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:15, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Kev, You wish to delete the cover with 'jr' correct? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:43, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that's the one. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:20, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine-Thirty O'Clock in the Morning ==<br />
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Curious what happened to the usual 5-minute or so delay at 9:30 every morning. It didn't happen today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The daily backups run between 9:30am and 9:35am. The database is unavailable until they finish.<br />
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: On 2023-08-30 the backup process was modified to exclude a large and fast growing database table which didn't need to be backed up in the first place. An error was introduced while making the change, which caused the backups to fail on 2023-08-31. The error was corrected the same day and the backups have been running smoothly ever since. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:29, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deagol ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Deagol; I added my first-ever message to this PV and noticed all messages are in italics or a weird font or something. Probably not important but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's bizarre. I can't see anything on that page that would cause everything to be in italics. I can't find any other page that are like that, either. I'm guessing it's something that went funky on the backend. We'd have to have Al or Ahasuerus look at it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Nevermind, I found it. While it shouldn't have affected the entire page (it should have only affected the part after it), I removed the italics from the page with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADeagol&type=revision&diff=670207&oldid=670204 this edit]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:29, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Here's another page; https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Clarkmci. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pastel City. ==<br />
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Hello mods. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1868818 This] interior art is the same artwork as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2251327 this] title record. I'd also like to rename the interior art record from "The Great Rebellion [1]" to "CA 440 Minifreighter" (as per art caption in Cowley's Great Space Battles). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:38, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If there is a caption (or a title somewhere) in the book, then yes, rename and use that - captions and titles from inside of the books are always used when known instead of the standard [] notation. If the title was coming from a secondary source, we would just add it into the notes but if it is in the book, go ahead and rename. And variant it to the cover :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:30, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You may want to participate at [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F|this Rules and standards discussions]]. As pointed out in that discussion, the current rules do not include using the caption / title (though that has become a common practice) and so far there has not been agreement to change the rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:00, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Will do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:45, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1))<br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy<br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb<br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original)<br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original)<br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb<br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb<br />
page 155 Futureboro (original)<br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction:<br />
The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page <br />
to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books {{unsigned|RogerSSS}}<br />
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== Protocol for working on recently added/changed publications ==<br />
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There has always been potential for moderators unknowingly working on the same set of submissions. Early on we added the ability to put submissions "on hold" in order to mitigate this problem. Later, we added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent_activity_menu.cgi Recent Activity] page and, even more recently, "Edit History", which helps avoid confusion and cross-approvals.<br />
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At the same time, the recent implementation of the "self-approver" system significantly increased the number of editors who can approve submissions. Earlier today we had a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eccentric_Orbits:_An_Anthology_of_Scienc collision] between a moderator working on new submissions and a self-approver who noticed the new publication and tried to improve it while the moderator was still researching it. The result was a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?970089 mishmash of approvals].<br />
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What should be the standard for moderators and self-approvers working on recently approved records which the original approver may still be researching? Since we now have Edit History, should it be something like:<br />
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* Before correcting/adding data to a publication record, check its Edit History. If the record has been created or modified within the last 24 (12? 48? 72?) hours, check with the last approving moderator to see if the record is still being researched.<br />
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? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider it always a good idea to talk to the editors and moderators that had worked on a record that still need work before changing the work of people -- sometimes they have an edit staying in a browser and never submitted, sometimes they just had not had a chance to get back to the record to fix it (or got distracted) and sometimes it is a misunderstanding of the rules on someone's part - the person trying to improve or the editor who started it or simply a disagreement on how things need to be entered where the rules allow editor's discretion. And especially if the submitter is a new(ish) user and there is no note from the handling moderator on their page yet but I think it is common courtesy in all cases. Asking for 24 hours grace period is a good first step I guess. Adding to that the requirement for communication before the edits are done will be even better - and will also help getting our editors closer to being self-sustaining. I did not think that we need to put that in writing but apparently it is not as self-evident as I always assumed it to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Could we add a flag to each record that gets set when a change is submitted, and then removed 25 hours after the submission is approved (and removed if a submission is declined)? Then the system could display a note on the edit page for any record that has that flag set. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, if the goal is to display a warning when an editor tries to edit a publication record that has been modified within the last 24 hours, then it can be done without adding new flags. We already have Edit History; it would be easy to modify the software to check it and display a warning. We'll just need to decide on what the warning should say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Mountain being made out of a molehill. No need to add bureaucracy and development effort for a problem that rarely happens. This is a collaborative project which means people could occasionally work on the same items, but, in practice, it rarely happens in a short period of time. People should not feel possessive about their edits. An equally valid solution would be for moderators to put edits on hold and do their research prior to accepting the submission. That way they can make the corrections immediately after accepting the submission. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Let me just clarify that adding a note along the lines of "This Publication was last edited by X and approved by Y on 2023-09-12 at 12:34pm" to EditPub forms affecting recently edited publications would be quite simple. We already have all of the requisite data in a readily accessible location within the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Apparently the definition of possessive, as used in the above comment, is the approving moderator making the necessary changes and/or communicating with the submitting user immediately after approval. Isn't that exactly our responsibility? If not please enlighten me. I don't believe a software solution is necessary. It would surprise me if anyone else would decide to edit a publication immediately after its initial approval. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Re: "edit[ing] a publication immediately after its initial approval", I have come close to accidentally colliding with other editors/moderators a few times. I am subscribed to Amazon's automatic notifications for certain authors. When they publish new books, Amazon sends me an email. Sometimes other editors/moderators buy the same books the day they are published and enter them into the database at around the same time. I don't think it has caused any issues yet, especially now that we have additional yellow warnings, but it's been close a few times. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:09, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: It doesn't take a moderator to know we cannot edit submissions, but must approve them and then make corrections. The comment about research before approval is also incorrect. I had identified the changes I wanted to make. However it took me eight minutes to enter the corrections and the notes to moderator , review and post. P.S. I would have promptly replied to a query as to status.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::This proposal is for a 24-hour period. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:46, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then propose a shorter window. The last time an editor (sitting on the recent updates queue and jumping as soon as they thought they saw something they MUST update now), made a merge on a story in an anthology of 20 titles or more, most of which required updates in the titles and authors (capitalization and spaces an so on) and follow-up merges and my edit had to be redone from scratch because the merge deleted the title ID - thus making the edit unworkable. I did not raise the question back then - I just redid the edit, posted for the new editor (first edit by them -- and anthologies tend to be... not fun) and then walked away for the day. It was not the first time that had happened. If common courtesy won't regulate that and it does happen more often than once in a blue moon, then we will need to spell out some rules. It is not about being possessive or not doing research before approval - it is about giving a moderator the needed time to do their post-approval edits before losing their time and forcing them to either redo the edit from scratch or look through multiple edits to see if something conflicted somewhere and a second edit is required. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The above proposal doesn't address your scenario. A title merge is not a publication edit so wouldn't get the proposed warning. Collisions can happen without people sitting on the recent updates queue & without editing the same pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:54, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: It does - when the merge is because someone opened the recently created publication and looked for duplicates and decided to "help", that is exactly the issue at hand. Collisions always happen - and we all learn to live with them. But these are easily avoidable with a bit of common courtesy (or with a rule that says not to do it - if nothing else works). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Standards question has reached an impasse ==<br />
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Three verifiers cannot reach agreement regarding current standards. The question revolves around the publication pages field and content titles page field. Please help resolve the impasse [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#1634:_The_Bavarian_Crisis here] Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Mandelo, Revisited ==<br />
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Although we view the Lee Mandelo name change as closed, this has not been the case in the general public. In particular, the ISFDB Wikipedia article has recently used Jason Sanford's article about the Lee Mandelo situation as factual evidence of an issue, and I would like to post actual counter evidence of what actually happened. As such, I've been working on two documents. The first is a post-mortem of the situation, which provides a detailed timeline of every submission and communication which is related to the name change. It then summarizes the system issues and potential recommendations. Once the post-mortem is finalized I will post an Open Letter to the SF Community, which will reference that post-mortem.<br />
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The intention of this two articles is to provide a reference-quality document that can be added as a reference to Wikipedia, if needed. So I'd like the documents to be clean, and not contain large sections of indented discussions. There definitely should be discussions, but not within those documents. The first document is available now at:<br />
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* [[User:Alvonruff/A_Post-Mortem_on_the_Lee_Mandelo_Name_Change]]<br />
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Discussion about the document can occur here. Feel free to directly correct any grammar/spelling errors. Detailed discussions about the potential implementation of the recommendations should take place in the usual locations. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 10:42, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Is this discussion only open to moderators? I appreciate Community Portal can be noisy, but assuming that this discussion is open to all ISFDB stakeholders, maybe have a link on that page here at least? <br />
: (Super trivial observation: maybe fix the "Revisted" typo in the item title, before there are any links pointing at the wrong title?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:00, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Fine with me to move the discussion so that it is open to all. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 15:08, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Organizing all of the publicly available data -- submissions, Wiki discussions, etc -- as a timeline sounds like a reasonable idea.<br />
::: One thing that we may want to consider is how the ISFDB project communicates with the outside world. Currently, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_other_Web_sites_and_social_media_accounts_does_the_ISFDB_use.3F the ISFDB FAQ says]:<br />
:::* ''What other Web sites and social media accounts does the ISFDB use?''<br />
:::* ISFDB administrators may post announcements on [http://isfdb.blogspot.com/ this Blogspot] Web page in case of extended unscheduled downtime or connectivity problems. There are no other official or ISFDB-endorsed Web sites, Web pages or social media accounts. Non-ISFDB Web sites and social media accounts maintained by individual ISFDB contributors (editors, moderators and administrators) are independent of the ISFDB and are not endorsed by it.<br />
::: This policy was originally formulated in part due to the existence of Web sites/Web pages like [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb this Facebook page] which uses the ISFDB name and images without clarifying that it is not affiliated with the ISFDB project.<br />
::: The policy means that our project is currently a closed system with no Web/social media presence aside from the ISFDB Web site and no official communications with the outside world except by individual ISFDB contributors acting on their own.<br />
::: If we are to change this approach, we will presumably want to formulate an official communications strategy first. Something like an official social media account, perhaps? (I don't use social media outside of Web/Usenet forums which discuss SF, so I may not be the best person to come up with ideas.)<br />
::: Alternatively, Al could post an "open letter" as an individual. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:12, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::One thing we need to do is try to work with Sanford to correct his information in [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/genre-grapevine-for-december-31-2022 his post]. At least based on the timeline Al posted, the first time a concern was posted in one of the public forums here is on Dec 14, 2022 by the author in question, and everything was handled within less than a week. So saying ISFDB "fought against changing Lee Mandelo’s name in the site’s author listing for over a year" is rather a stretch. As noted, we should find a way to make it more clear when we will change a canonical name, but we certainly weren't "fighting" against changing it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: A new section, "How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?", was [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AFAQ&type=revision&diff=651853&oldid=651852 added to the ISFDB FAQ] on 2022-12-26 based on this and previous discussions. Can anyone think of additional ways to increase its visibility? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:13, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Additionally, Sanford describes Username as a moderator, which is not and has never been the case. At the very least, his comment was certainly insensitive, but Sanford should do his homework before trying to smear the moderators. Simply checking the list at the top of the Moderator noticeboard would have clarified that point. The "bad publicity" really had nothing to do with us making the change. It was the author posting here and making a request. Once we were made aware there was an issue, we discussed it and quickly made the updates (as noted, within less than a week from being made aware of the issue). The majority of that less-than-a-week was sorting out exactly what needed to be done to make all the changes as it's not a simple thing to do, and things have to be done in a specific order in order to not make it even more difficult to update. <br />
::::I think having an official Twitter/X and/or Facebook account would be good as those are the two largest social media platforms for publishing-related things. The Blogspot site is fine, but no one is going to think of looking there since it's rather obscure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Excuse me, how did I get roped into this nonsense? Some trans activists try to bully this site into changing someone's "dead" name and it's my fault now? What comment are you referring to? I do more edits and leave more messages here than everyone else combined --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To clarify: as of last morning, of the 234,773 submissions approved in 2023, 17,359 (7.4%) were created by [[User:Username|Username]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:41, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: so mentioning a singular thing I said a long time ago is pointless because I wouldn't remember it, anyway. Quote me what I supposedly said. EDIT: Never mind, Mr. Sanford quoted me on his Substack page where I quite logically inquired as to what would happen if Mandelo decided their transition was a mistake and wanted to transition back; would Mandelo and all the assorted friends bully ISFDB into changing everything back to Brit? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F current policy] is:<br />
::::::* The name chosen to be the canonical name is the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre.<br />
:::::: Lee Mandelo provided evidence that the "most recognized name within the SF genre" was "Lee Mandelo". Once we confirmed it, we changed the canonical name as per the policy, not because the author requested it. Whether the policy should be changed to account for author preferences is a different issue and fodder for the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: There are countless people online who have said their transition was the result of peer pressure or mental/emotional confusion or bad parents/doctors who encouraged them to transition for their own personal/monetary reasons and, tragically, many of them have already had body parts removed that they'll never be able to replace. Pretending otherwise is choosing not to accept reality. If Mandelo feels like their transition will be permanent and they're happy with that, fine. ISFDB is a gigantic site and highly disorganized; expecting it to run smoothly for one person is unreasonable. The delay in changing the name was due to a complete breakdown in communication, not because of transphobia. I reject terms like "bigoted" and "insensitive" to describe my remark; an apology will suffice. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To my shame, I didn't say anything publicly when this kicked off originally - instead choosing to walk away from any association with this site for several months - but quite frankly, I feel that this site would be better off without you. All the edits you do to fix bad data are great in themselves, but I don't think they are worth all the aggravation you cause. If I recall correctly, at least one moderator refuses to work on your edits, and numerous other moderators and editors have had run-ins with you over your edits and general attitude. You've promised on numerous occasions that you intend to leave this site, any chance you can fulfill those promises?<br />
:::::: It's one thing when that stuff is kept internal to this wiki, but when it explodes into the public domain, like it did last December, then all of us get tarred with the same brush, which is why I walked away then. I have numerous issues with what "the other side" did last December - e.g. Sanford's apparent lack of any sort of reaching out to get the ISFDB side of the story; the fact that (as IIRC Scifibones also found) 5 minutes of investigation disproved the claim that the deadname wasn't being still being used for publications (although it looks like some/most of them have finally been updated) - but it's hard to defend the ISFDB position when you had utterly poisoned the discourse. If you don't believe the comments you posted were utterly inflammatory, can I suggest you step out of your FoxNews/Daily Wire/Newsmax/whatever bubble, and understand that you can't talk to people that way?<br />
:::::: Maybe I'll get attacked or censured for this comment, but quite frankly, I'd rather that happen, than have been silent on this. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:03, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: [[User:Username|Username]] has been warned about being abrasive and about personal attacks, e.g. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Warning_re:_the_last_exchange_with_Willem_H._on_the_Community_Portal here]. However, the ideal outcome is not to drive abrasive editors away, it is to help them improve their ability to communicate with other editors to ensure that the project functions smoothly. If it doesn't work, then [[ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy]], which provides for escalating penalties for misconduct up to and including an indefinite block, comes into play. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Re-reading [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]], I have a few suggestions:<br />
* "14 December 2022" where it says "Mandelo posts a request to the Moderator Noticeboard". I suggest linking [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display the Moderator Noticeboard discussion].<br />
* Same day where it says "A 4-day bibliographic discussion follows with numerous open questions, with responses from Mandelo." I suggest adding that the current standard -- "For authors who publish under multiple names, the canonical name is the most recognized name for that author within the genre" -- was explained to Lee Mandelo who then provided evidence supporting the notion that, as of 2022-12, the "most recognized name" was indeed "Lee Mandelo". That's what triggered the canonical name change.<br />
* The "Recommendations" section of [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]] suggests the following change to the canonical name policy:<br />
** The Canonical Name of a living author should only be changed at the request of the author in question.<br />
* This would be a fairly major policy change which would affect a number of scenarios. For example, we have received canonical author change requests based on authors trying to promote new working names. To quote what I wrote during the 2022-12 discussion:<br />
** It's been occasionally proposed that we make exceptions to our canonical name policy for certain types of scenarios. For example, {{A|Debora Geary}} published ''A Modern Witch'', a series of popular urban fantasies, in 2011-2013. Then, after a painful divorce, she removed all of them from Amazon and restarted her career as Audrey Faye. A few years ago she published a non-fiction account of her recovery after divorce ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835287 Sleeping Solo: One Woman's Journey Into Life After Marriage]) in which she explained why she could no longer be associated with the name "Debora Geary". Another example would be a person converting to another religion and changing his or her name to reflect new beliefs. Changing one's gender would be another scenario which has been discussed a few times, including [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Canonical_names_for_transgender_authors an extensive Rules and Standards discussion in September 2018].<br />
** So far these discussions of possible exceptions have failed to lead to a new consensus, in part because of the number of possible scenarios and sub-scenarios. For example, consider {{A|Poppy Z. Brite}}, who has been using the name "Billy Martin" socially since the early 2010s, but whose books continue to be published as by "Poppy Z. Brite".<br />
* We will need to discuss the proposed change on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page.<br />
[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:23, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In my opinion, the best part about the current policy is that it is quantitative/qualitative and not subjective. We did not use "Brit Mandelo" because of someone's whim or someone's views on Mondelo's gender identity or even popular vote. Technically, the switch from Brit to Lee as canonical was made because the underlying measure of primary identification changed over time and "Lee Mandelo" supplanted "Brit Mandelo". I don't think we should have a blanket policy that authors or their agents can request changes. That's another form of whim, and the ISFDB's purpose is not advertising for authors or publishers. Perhaps one thing we could consider, though, is a policy allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change. E.g., if "ABC" came to us and said "I changed my name to 'XYZ', and all of my books are being pulled from the shelves and are being reissued using that name. Could 'XYZ' be configured as my canonical name?" ISFDB could then project the future and perhaps act early. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:19, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Re: "allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change", we ran into an issue in this area back in the late 2010s.<br />
::: In 2015 the author who had published the "Vladimir Tod/Slayer Chronicles" series as {{A|Heather Brewer}} [https://ew.com/article/2015/06/25/heather-brewer-zac-brewer-transgender/ changed the name] to "Zac Brewer". There were plans to republish Brewer's old books under the new name and at least one SF story was indeed published that way. Based on that, an ISFDB editor proposed that we change the canonical name to "Zac Brewer" with the expectation that it would soon become the "most recognized name ... within the genre". At the time we decided to wait and see what would happen in another year or two.<br />
::: As it turned out, the name "Zac Brewer" was used on 2 non-genre novels in 2016-2017, but all new speculative fiction (2 novels and 1 story) appeared as by "Z Brewer". I guess it goes to show that making assumptions about future releases is chancy in the publishing business. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I agree. Keeping the policy as objective as possible is a good thing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:43, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]], thanks for a very nice job on the timeline. I'm not sure anything posted on social media ever changed anyone's opinion, but it accurately documents the facts. Sections 3 and 4 are better served as the kickoff to the Rules and Standards discussion and should not be included in the public release. A subsequent post documenting our reasoning and any changes is a better course. Anyone interested can follow and/or participate in the R & S discussions (I anticipate multiple threads). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], If you are going to link this thread to the letter, I suggest starting the main thread and moving [[User:MartyD|MartyD's]] & [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe's]] posts there. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:54, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I agree that discussions of the current canonical name policy and any proposed changes belong on the Rules and Standards page. I am just waiting for Al to chime in and clarify whether he meant to propose a change. If he did, then we can move the policy part of the discussion there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:00, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: For Al's postmortem, I think it would be helpful to quote the first paragraph of the '''Canonical Name''' definition from [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] and to summarize the "enter-name-as-it-appears-in-the-publication" policy and provide links to [[Template:TitleFields:Author]] and [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] prior to getting into the timeline. That is the working context for the data present in the system and various events that occurred during the timeline. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:32, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: That's a good point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Review of" ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412925; While my editing which ended after Labor Day won't resume full-time until October I did, after a week without any edits, start doing a few handfuls of clean-up edits fixing this or that which lately have been almost entirely related to D. F. Lewis. I just came across an interesting situation which a mod should probably take care of because it's a 2-step process, changing ESSAY to REVIEW and then link review from the menu, which mods can approve instantly instead of me doing one step and then waiting for approval before doing the other step. Nemonymous 3 mentioned in the review in the zine linked above is on ISFDB, titled Gold Coin; the issue of New Genre is also here as is the issue of Gigamesh. The last non-linked review is of a Norwegian novel whose title translates as a ghost story so that book almost certainly is eligible and should be entered here and then the review linked to it. That one may require someone with a knowledge of the language. I tried to figure out how to search for all instances of "review of" in All Hallows issues but I couldn't do it. Maybe someone else knows how or, if not, an issue-by-issue check will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pohl - Gateway ==<br />
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Has anybody any suggestions how [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rudam#Pohl_-_Gateway this situation] might be resolved. No progress has been made as the PV is unresponsive. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image Deletion ==<br />
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Could a moderator please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THBKFSTRND2014.jpg this image]. The licensing tag information is incorrect. After the deletion, I will re-upload with correct tag. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:47, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. You could have edited the tag BTW :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't realise I could do it myself. Thanks for the image deletion and the heads up re editing the licence tag. I have now figured out how to do it for the future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:44, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shutdown ==<br />
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Library of Congress has an ominous red warning about what will happen if the U.S. government shuts down a few days from now. Will anything on this site be affected or will it make no difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:57, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The only effect will be not being able to look up LCCNs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LOTR Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3078415; Another editor added an archived link to the Canadian edition recently but nobody ever added a link to the USA edition which has been there since 2010 so I just added it. The title is in question because it's written in fancy font on title pages; PV Auric seemed to think Film Book should be 2 words but other editions are Filmbook. So which should it really be, and should Part I be removed from USA title since it's not actually part of the title in the book? PV doesn't respond very often so I thought I'd bring it up here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for Voyage of Mael Duin's Curragh ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49434; I just had my edit adding an archived link and fixing cover artist/adding interior artist but after looking at it I realized dates are off because Locus, https://www.locusmag.com/index/b1.htm, has one of those 2-date things and someone entered book as October but title and cover art are September, with my new interior art credit matching the book's October date. What's the rule? Which date should they all be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:What does it state on the copyright page? If it includes a month, that's what we should use. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:04, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::No, there's no month, if there was that would take precedence over Locus. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art credit removal ==<br />
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As we don't credit designers for coverart, would moderators agree to removing Michniewicz's titles from {{P|129031|here}} and {{P|174091|here}}? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:50, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2000/b5.htm#A119.2 Locus1] credits Michniewicz for the first one's cover. Since he is PV for both, you could try reaching out to Michael (use the ISFDB to send him mail) and see if he'll respond and offer an opinion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:34, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Unfortunately I can't use the email system (it won't work with my provider, even though Ahasuerus has tried to fix it for me) so the only possibility there is if some kind soul would email him for me.<br />
::As far as I can ascertain from all the pub notes, Michniewicz is credited as designer for a lot of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?168 the series] for the simple graphics. It is only for later issues where Gollancz have incorporated actual artwork that the artists get credit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:29, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Any other help please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:03, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I would leave a note on [[User talk:Mhhutchins]] re: the proposed changes. If there is no response after a week, we can remove the COVERART titles and document the designers in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've left a message on his talk page. Thank you for the advice! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:10, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Goss ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?239252; 2 different guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:39, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Goat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?882813; Can a mod take a look at those last 2 edits? I see at least a few problems with ID and web links; maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow Edits ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MOHearn#Return_of_the_Shadow; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5782555; I contacted MOHearn but we have some cross-editing going on so if I can ask one of you to approve my edits (assuming there's no problem with any of them) starting with the one linked above and going through 5782728 (there's 4 non-Shadow edits from 5782649 through 5782652; ignore those) so we can put these behind us. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== El Topo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5784269; HC copy uploaded recently, I'm going to add it (I added that paper edition a while ago) but wanted to get this edit approved first assuming mods agree it should be a chapbook since novelization is only 80-something pages with the rest being non-fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning up English translations of RUR ==<br />
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Hi all, I'm in the process of cleaning up the English translations of {{A|Karel Čapek|161}}'s {{T|2218756|RUR}}. This has led to a bunch of related edit submissions ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791148 5791148], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791149 5791149], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791151 5791151], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791157 5791157], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791159 5791159], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791160 5791160], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791188 5791188]), several of which will involve follow-up edits.<br />
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That said, I'm not quite sure how to approach cleaning up one of the existing {{T|1156033|chapbook}} / {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} pairs. There are 3 associated publications: {{P|328124}}, {{P|362654}}, {{P|529466}}.<br />
* '''{{P|328124}}''' is an English translation by David Short that I expect is distinct from the other two publications.<br />
* '''{{P|362654}}''' is an English translation by David Wyllie that is currently mapped to the wrong title(s) based on viewing the publication's title page via a reading sample from Amazon (see edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995]).<br />
* '''{{P|529466}}''' is a seemingly unknown English translation from Amazon's on-demand (self-)publisher. I haven't been able to find much trace of this particular edition online. I'm guessing this is likely a reprint of the out-of-copyright translation by Paul Selver possibly further adapted by Nigel Playfair.<br />
Do the following actions seem appropriate for this situation?<br />
# Unmerge {{P|328124}} and associate with new variant chapbook and shortfiction titles (distinct translation by David Short)<br />
# Unmerge {{P|362654}} and associate with different variant {{T|1114927|chapbook}} and {{T|1314651|shortfiction}} titles (distinct translation by David Wyllie)<br />
# Leave {{P|529466}} as is, but update associated {{T|1156033|chapbook}} and {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} titles to note that this is an unknown translation.<br />
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Thanks! --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 14:03, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep - when we know the translators of a specific book, unmerge the chapbook and the story, make them variants and add the translator to the notes of both titles. We had been slowly chipping at the early messes such as this one, created long before we started recording translators on the title level - so thanks for sorting it out. I also tend to add a "This title may contain multiple distinct translations" note or something to that effect to the one with unknown translators - when there is more than one book anyway. If two unknowns are known to be different, we also unmerge them and add as much as we know on their notes to identify what goes where... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:23, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Jules Verne has lots of examples of multiple translations in various languages. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:29, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks, that makes sense. I mainly wanted to check how to handle this particular instance because I expected the translator could be identified if someone checked this particular edition. Jules Verne is a good (although more complex) example that I'll keep in mind when I clean up future translation records. --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 17:45, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: We are playing catch-up on these -- for a long time, we did not separate or record per translator - so since we started, it had been a never ending game of finding all of them. And the ones translated into English are the most problematic due to the volume - in most other languages, we are mostly done with adding the Translator template which required the messes to be untangled. There are corners of the DB like that - where you will find surprises you would think cannot happen. Jules Verne looks as good as he does because Doug spent months fixing the records. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Old cover image delete ==<br />
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Could someone please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MCKNGBRDPV0000.jpg the old image], Date/Time: - 11:47, 23 February 2014 - to prevent reverting. The new image is identical but larger. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:26, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:20, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Annie! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Invaders by Adelia Saunders ==<br />
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This concerns the cover art shown for Publication Record # 777558, Invaders by Vaughn Heppner<br />
The cover art shows the author to be Adelia Saunders. She did not write a book called Invaders. She did write one called Indelible.<br />
I went over to Brilliance Audio. This is just a generic cover they use. Its the same cover for Invader by C.J. Cherryh, Artemis Invaded by Jane Lindskoid and a number of others including The Spirit of Dorsai, By Gordon R. Dickson [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 19:51, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?777558 Updated], thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derived prices in early Bantam Books ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25 Bantam Books] was founded in 1945 and concentrated on publishing mass market paperbacks. As far as I can tell, early on they didn't display prices on the cover or on the spine. However, some (all?) of them, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''''The Day He Died''], had ad pages in the back with one or more lists of books which you could buy by sending $0.25 plus $0.05 for postage to the publisher's address. I suppose it's likely that the list price was also $0.25, although it's not a guarantee.<br />
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Some online sources explicitly state that the list price was "$0.25", but I don't know where their data comes from. Some of our records also display "$0.25" in the price field, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''], which has the following note:<br />
* No price stated, but ad pages for current releases list $0.25 price.<br />
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Clearly, this situation requires an explanation in the Note field, but what would you enter in the price field? $0.25? Leave it blank? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:11, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems ok to me to use $0.25 and treat the ad as a secondary source. If we had a book with no printed price on it, found a review (or announcement) contemporaneous with its issuance, and that review stated a price, I think we would normally be happy to use that and cite the review as the source. The ad situation strikes me as equivalent. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:03, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree. As long as there is a note explaining the sourcing of the price, this is not different from finding a price on a publisher site, a contemporary review or any other secondary source. If we ever find a better information that contradicts the price as derived via such a method for that specific book, the note can be adjusted and the price changed if needed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:44, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to Ahasuerus for following up my discussion with him and getting this cleared up. Here's a list, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=contains&TERM_2=Latham&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=Bantam&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], of all Bantam books PV by Scott Latham; he entered prices for all of them and there's a note in the third book that he got the price from Tuck. EDIT: In the 4th book there's a note, "Price from ads in the back, listing other Bantam titles all for 25¢", so it seemed random whether there's no price note or where he got it from if he did leave a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:56, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think this is fine. A note should be included stating where the price was from, but I have no problem sourcing prices that way. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Thanks, folks. I have updated the publication record, deleted a duplicate pub and notified the affected verifier. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Can we have some clarification please because I am confused by this discussion.<br />
:Ahasuerus' initial post implied to me that we are looking at a situation where an unpriced book contains a house ad listing other books for sale from the publisher. All these books are listed with an identical price but the list does NOT contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario A.<br />
:However, MartyD and Annie's replies imply to me that they seem to think the list DOES contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario B.<br />
:We need to consider these two scenarios separately.<br />
:Scenario A: I do not consider it appropriate to infer the price of a book from other contemporary books. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11582 Ace 1st pb ed of Dune], published in 1967, is priced 95c. It's a fat book for its era. However, Ace pb's in that year were typically priced around 50c. So if, hypothetically, Ace books published in 1967 did not have a cover price then it would be erroneous to infer that Dune was 50c based on a house ad listing other contemporary books at 50c.<br />
:Scenario B: This is not contentious. Record the price in the Price field and add a mandatory pub note stating the source, ie the house ad. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:52, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry, I may not have been clear. The ads in the back of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''The Day He Died''] do include ''The Day He Died'' (with the correct catalog ID) in the list of books that you can get for $0.25, so it's "Scenario B" above.<br />
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:: Now that I am thinking about, there may be an additional twist. According to Jon Warren's "Official Price Guide: Paperbacks", some early Bantam paperbacks had 2 versions which shared the ''same'' catalog ID: a regular version and a version in a dust jacket. I don't recall seeing dust-jacketed versions, which are apparently highly prized among collectors. I don't know how they were priced and whether you could get them from the publisher for $0.25. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ah, all is good then. Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:53, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name out of date? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79169 G. Arthur Rahman] has about 15 titles under that canonical name, from the 70s and 80s, but he has over 30 under the name Glenn Rahman (and a few under other forms of the name). [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976477 Here] is my entry of some new 2023 stories in addition to those on that author page. I'm holding off on making them variants to ask: Could his canonical name be changed from G. Arthur Rahman to Glenn Rahman to reflect the majority of bylines? -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:29, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Working on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:31, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I'd think so - provided someone sets out to do the transformation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:32, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done! You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15307 here]. Let me know if I missed anything as this one was more complicated due to the number of pseudonyms. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks, Nihonjoe! I'll put the new stories into their series and look over the older ones. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 13:38, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Juliana Pinha --> Juliana Pinho ==<br />
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Hello, would it be possible to correct 'Pinha' to 'Pinho' in this entry for INTERZONE #295? Thank you.<br />
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190 • Notes From the Meeting of the First State Feder World Court: Walker Dairy, Freeville, NY, 198 Year One: Jessica Jane Pearson Vs. The Stranger Mr. Jacob Hampton • interior artwork by Juliana Pinha<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?977484<br />
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--[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 14:29, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: This depends on the way the artist is credited in the issue: we do document the spelling of a name, even if it is mistyped in a given magazine issue (and then do variant it to the canonical name, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3146115 this example]). <br />
: Anyway, since "Interzone" #295 is primary verified, it is etiquette to ask / inform the primary verifier. You can reach him [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk here]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:05, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the info. It is 'Pinho' in the magazine (on the story cover page, and in the contents page). I'll move this to the primary verifier page, thanks.<br />
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:: --[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 16:55, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Bridge by James E. Gunn, Jack Williamson ==<br />
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Publication Record # 31949 states the artist is Ed Valigursky and that there was not any credit in the book. That the credit came from Jack Williamson's Seventy-Five: The Diamond Anniversary of a Science Fiction Pioneer. Heritage Auctions (fineart.ha.com/itm/paintings/gordon-pawelka-american-20th-century-star-bridge-paperback-cover-1963-oil-on-board-20-1-2-x-1/a/8000-71029.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515) has the artist as Gordon Pawelka. Was this a name used by Valigursky or do we have a conflict?? Hey Heritage could be wrong. It sold in 2020 for $3000 {{unsigned|Aardvark7}}<br />
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== RUSSWOTHE ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:RUSSWOTHE; I made a minor edit for a book PV by this person and noticed there's a stray message in the wrong place. Is it possible to move it to their discussion page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:21, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Followup: Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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Hello. I did not receive a response to my [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Crowley_and_Aziraphale.27s_New_Year.27s_resolutions September 2023 question] about how to catalog a weirdly-published Good Omens short story. So I am repeating the question here, please. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 14:25, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not eligible unless it was downloadable as an ebook - we allow only a limited set of online fiction and "a publisher site" is not amongst them. If it was downloadable as an ebook, it will be added as a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wrong tag for L. Sprague de Camp's ''The Hardwood Pile'' ==<br />
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Hello to all. The tag "science fiction" has been wrongly attributed to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57951 this story], which is only a fantastic and humorous ghost story. Could a bureaucrat please remove it ? TIA, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:31, 12 November 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Remove non-SF/fantasy/speculative fiction incorrectly attributed to an SF author ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I recently read and loved the story "In the Days After..." in Asimov's Science Fiction, November-December 2023 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3238197). I was curious about this author who was new to me, with a story I really liked, so I checked ISFDB.<br />
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Most of his work is noted as 1981 and beyond, with a long gap (~28 years) from 1995 to 2023. The Asimov's blurb does note that Frank Ward (William Francis Ward) did take a long time off from writing for "life". https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11458<br />
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There is a 1958 story listed under Frank Ward, "The Dark Corner". I was suspicious of this, as Frank Ward is listed with a 1950 birthdate.<br />
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I checked around. Galactic Central does show a substantial mystery body of work by a different Frank Ward, from the 1930s to the 1960s. http://www.philsp.com/homeville/cfi/n00786.htm#A5<br />
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I confirmed with the current Frank Ward via email that he did not write the mystery story "The Dark Corner", which does show up under the other Frank Ward at Galactic Central.<br />
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Given that "The Dark Corner" here is not by this Frank Ward (William Francis Ward), and that the other Frank Ward who wrote "The Dark Corner" appears to have written mysteries but not SF, fantasy or speculative fiction, I am assuming that I need to delete "The Dark Corner" story from ISFDB. I further assume this is done by the "Delete this title" button.<br />
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Please confirm, or let me know what is needed.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:There's an issue with one of Ward's titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?914168, the Fantasy Book Index, https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+pegasus+suit%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221983%22, says "Pegasus", there's a contents page scan on AbeBooks, https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Fantasy-Book-February-1982-Third-Issue/30051987897/bd, which probably says the same although it's blurry, only way to be sure is looking at the story's title page which would require a copy of the zine, you may want to ask him if he owns it so he can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I'm not quite clear what the issue is. When I looked at any of the 3 copies of the "An Index to Fantasy Book, Volume 1", at Internet Archive, they all note "The Pegasus Suit". Thanks for the clarification.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:57, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for checking with the author! I have disambiguated the author name -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370798 the result here] -- and updated the title record.<br />
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::: As to whether we want to remove [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2550138 "The Dark Corner"] from the database, it depends on a couple of different factors. The story appeared in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569570 anthology ''Bodies and Souls'']. Its dust jacket says "Fourteen Tales of Worldly and Other-Worldly Murder, Mayhem and Mystery", which suggests that it collects both SF and non-SF stories. We currently list one of the stories, "Too Many Coincidences", as "non-genre" while the rest are listed as SF. It's entirely possible that some of them are non-genre; we just don't know one way or the other. Once we know more about these stories, we can decide what to do with the anthology. Since it apparently contains at least some SF stories, we will want to keep the publication record, but if the overwhelming majority of the stories are non-genre, we may end up removing them and documenting them in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::My thanks for handling this. I appreciate and concur with the thinking, and I'll try to retain that for the future. Mr. Ward is pleased this has been revised.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: ISFDB says "Pegusus" which is obviously a misspelling of "Pegasus" but a look at the header on the story's title page is what's needed because it's entirely possible, as so often in zines, that titles differ from what's on the contents page. Searching for "Pegusus Suit" online finds only ISFDB and a couple of booksellers that obviously copied their info directly from ISFDB so it's likely just a simple mistake by whoever entered the contents here. You said you spoke to him via email so maybe you can ask him if he owns that issue of Fantasy Book to check and if it's wrong it will be fixed to "Pegasus". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I have reached out to Frank Ward on this question. I'll circle back when I know, and then correct the title if needed. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I have confirmed with Frank Ward by check of his copy of the 1982 Fantasy Book that "Pegasus" is the correct spelling. He thanks us for making the correction. I will submit that now. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Bodies and Souls is linked at Archive.org in the notes section of its record here so the story can be read to determine if it's genre or not as can the other contents; also, it's much longer than the others in the book and should probably be given novelette length. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::I checked at Galactic Central. They believe this story ("The Dark Corner") is a novella. I will make that change.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts II==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg&wpUploadDescription=%7B%7BCID1%0A%7CTitle%3DA%20Muster%20of%20Ghosts%0A%7CEdition%3DCecil%20Palmer%201924%20hc%0A%7CPub%3DMSTRFGHSTS1924%0A%7CPublisher%3DCecil%20Palmer%0A%7CArtist%3DUnknown%0A%7CSource%3DScanned%20by%20%5B%5BUser%3AUsername%5D%5D%7D%7D]; I was going to upload SFE image but it seemed familiar and it turned out I'd done it already but the image didn't go to the right place; also this old edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959, has been sitting there for months because without an image the signature couldn't be seen. So can someone get the image fixed and approve the cover artist edit? EDIT: After I entered this message it didn't go to the right place because I'd already written about it, with the same message title, long ago but nobody ever answered; it's up above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The image has been added to the pub & your edit approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:06, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MP3 CD price on Amazon note ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that Amazon is now typically showing the as new price for MP3 CDs whose publisher is "Audible Studios on Brilliance Audio" as $10.02. The list price for these CDs as reported on brilliancepublishing.com is almost always $9.99. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:23, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon ==<br />
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I've noticed that Amazon.com is used frequently to verify a publication date. I just wanted to point out that it's an unreliable source, because any time they don't know the exact date, they use the first of the month.<br />
For example, the publication date of this book: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?535016 is listed as 2008-11-01, but the data is from Amazon, so I don't know if that's the accurate date, or they just used the first of the month because they didn't know any better. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Clauditorium|Clauditorium]] ([[User talk:Clauditorium|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Clauditorium|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: The quality of Amazon's records varies a great deal. It's not always clear why the bad data is the way it is, but we can make educated guesses, at least in certain cases. For example, Amazon occasionally -- I would say around 5-10% of the time -- lists unrealistically low (14-32) page counts for English e-book editions of Japanese "light novels". It seems to be related to the fact that some light novels have short (4-20 pages) manga sections at the beginning of the book. We don't know why it affects Amazon's page counts, but it's something that editors have to keep in mind when entering light novel records using Amazon's data.<br />
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: Re: dates, it depends on how old the record is, where the book was originally published and the publisher. For older books, some records have no day/month information, some add arbitrary "-01" or "-01-01" to the end of the month or year, and some have surprisingly accurate dates even for books published in the 1960s/1970s. Our best guess is that "surprisingly accurate dates" come from publishers' catalogs that Amazon has/had access to.<br />
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: Amazon.com's records for books published in other countries frequently list the "US availability" date as the publication date. There can be a big gap between these two types of dates for books originally published in the UK and especially in Australia/New Zealand, which is why Amazon's dates for these types of books are often wrong.<br />
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: Also, a note on the terminology. We use Amazon stores -- Amazon.com, Amazon UK, Amazon DE, etc -- as ''sources'' of our data, but we don's use it for ''verification''. We have a number of recognized "secondary verification" sources which you can see if you display a publication record and click on "Verify This Pub" link under "Editing Tools", then scroll down to "Secondary Verifications". Like everything else in this world, these verification sources are not perfect, but their data is, on average, better than Amazon's.<br />
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: Ultimately, the ISFDB data is only as good as our sources. Even primary verified data can be imperfect due to data entry errors and misunderstandings. That's why it's so important to document exactly where our data comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== US Copyright Office website ==<br />
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Do you guys ever use the US Copyright Office website? I would think that would be the most reliable source. It often has publication dates down to the day, whereas other sources only have them down to the month.<br />
https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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: We use a variety of secondary sources to determine publication dates as discussed in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources this Help section]. The Copyright Catalog can be (and have been) used as a secondary source of information as long as we keep in mind that their "Date of Publication" values and "Registration date" values are often different, so we need to make sure to use their "Date of Publication" values.<br />
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: Another thing to keep in mind is what [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] calls "Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality":<br />
:* Publication date does not always perfectly match the calendar date. For example, a January issue of a magazine is usually available in December of the previous year, and often earlier than that. Books with a January publication date may often be bought in the closing weeks of the prior year; they will show the later year's copyright date, even though that year has not yet started. In these cases, the convention is to use the official publication date rather than to try to identify when a book actually first became available. If there is a large discrepancy -- for example if a book was printed but unexpectedly delayed before release -- then this can be noted in the notes field.<br />
: [https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=26&ti=1,26&SEQ=20231120164838&Search%5FArg=crichton%20michael&Search%5FCode=NALL&CNT=25&PID=hderjMf9JaGhuG3tox2UMY1nLcK_&SID=1 This Copyright Catalog record for the first edition of ''Disclosure'', a non-genre novel] by {{A|Michael Crichton}}, is a good example. The "Date of Publication" value is "1993-12-20", but the publication date stated in the physical book is "January 1994". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:02, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: When it comes to magazines, I'm aware of the disconnect between publication date listed on the copyright site and the date printed on the magazine cover. {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Back when mass market paperbacks took off in the United States, their publishers piggybacked on pre-existing distribution channels and inherited some of the peculiarities of the magazine distribution system. They also had to deal with numerous technical limitations of the printing business as it existed ca. 1950. For example, you could order a paperback with 96 pages or a paperback with 128 pages, but anything in between wasn't viable because of the way mass market paperbacks paperbacks were produced. Sometimes authors and/or editors were able to cut or pad stories to make everything work seamlessly. Other times typesetters had to add empty pages or use other tricks to pad the page count.<br />
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::: We see similar issues surface even in 2023. Amazon's page count values are often off because publishers create pre-publication records based on estimates. When books are produced, the actual page count is usually different. Not all Amazon records are updated post-publication, so we always take what's there with a grain of salt. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:10, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As for novels, I've noticed that in several cases, the date listed by isfdb.org is missing the day, but the copyright site will have this info. For example, Misery by Stephen King is listed here as being published on 1987-06-00; on the copyright site, the publication date is indicated as 1987-06-08 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1513). If I come across such occurrences, should I make a correction, crediting the copyright site? {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Sorry, I didn't quote the most applicable part of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Date]] earlier. Here is the relevant section:<br />
:::* The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See Secondary Sources of Dates.<br />
::: So the answer is yes, editors can make the date more precise as long as it is "otherwise consistent with publication's stated date" and the source is documented in Notes. If there is a discrepancy -- as in the case of {{A|Michael Crichton}}'s ''Disclosure'' (see above) which was offered for sale in late December 1993 but the printed publication date says "January 1994" -- then we use the printed date and optionally document what secondary sources like the Copyright Office or Amazon say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:24, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Captured By the Engines ==<br />
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Can someone approve my submission 5819033? Because I need to add month to merged art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications" on the New Submissions page ==<br />
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A new table, "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications", has been added to the New Submissions page. It will appear at the top of the page if any pending submissions affect the logged-in moderator's primary verifications. If you run into any issues, please report them here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:27, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Can Ellen Be Saved ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291669; I just uploaded new cover but it didn't go to the same Wiki page and replace old cover, it just created a new page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I added the new one to the pub and deleted the old one after verifying it was not used in any other pubs. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One New Message ==<br />
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"The following Contents titles have dates after the proposed publication date"; I got this message after submitting an edit for Tor ed. of G. Masterton's Mirror because month was April, not May, and cover art needed fixing in another edit. Is this new? I don't remember seeing that before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This warning was [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#New_yellow_warning_when_a_changed_Publication_date_is_before_one_of_the_Title_dates implemented on July 31] as per {{FR|1569}}, "Add a warning when a changed pub date is before one of the title dates". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:08, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Server issue? ==<br />
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Is there a server problem? I'm getting a 500 Internal Server Error message when trying to submit a Clone Publication. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:26, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Nevermind. I opened a new Clone the Pub tab and was able to submit the request successfully. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Log In ==<br />
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Why am I not logged in? Is there some new problem now? I see Username when I'm on the Wiki pages but the front page says "You are not logged in". EDIT: I got tired of waiting so I entered "Username" and "password" and that worked but a message popped up saying password was used in a data breach on Google or something like that. I don't know what's going on. Maybe someone can tell me if anyone else got that message or got logged out for no reason. I sincerely hope all of my info and edits and everything else that was there before I re-logged in is still exactly the same and nothing was changed/lost. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Old Edits ==<br />
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I'm trying to get my edits that have been sitting for months approved. I'll start with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747517, which is just a simple change from a dead Google Drive link to one that works. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747546; Just a simple cover image, Rudam said long ago in the thread "Rejected?" on his board that there's no need to ask about covers except for a couple of specific publishers. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749772; Just an archived link and an obvious format fix. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Changing the format is a major change and should not be approved unless the active verifiers have agreed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750346; Just an archived link and an obvious fix of LCCN in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::The active verifier has asked that he be contacted through the email system about changes. No indication in the edit that this was done, or what the response was. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750954; Just a simple LCCN ID and cleanup of several misspellings in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Moderator note only states "cleaned up sloppy note" without specifying what was changed. Best to notify the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757566; Just a simple note about the cover; it's on this page, https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/3786/fred-pickersgill-graves-give. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::This one is more of a judgement call. Personally I think it's too much information that is not germane to the publication. What does the soundtrack artist have to do with the book? I could have lived with something along the lines of "Cover is from the filmed version of 'The Female of the Species'". However, other moderators may differ. At a minimum, if we're going to go into this much detail, it should probably go below a <nowiki>{{BREAK}}</nowiki> tag. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved by JLaTondre. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Science ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5824080; I did add the archived link and the cover image but I didn't touch those reg. title art and story things so does anyone know why it says I did? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: It is a kinda known issue with the software when titles contains special characters, especially older titles added before some of the latest changes in handling these from the last years (in this case it is the <nowiki><</nowiki> that is throwing the fit. Because of that, the comparison for changes detects a change - even if there is none). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:56, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title change with no PVs ==<br />
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I was getting ready to add the audiobook and CD editions to Steven Erikson's novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424072 Rejoice] but noticed that the correct title name should be <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i> instead of just <i>Rejoice</i>. I looked at WorldCat, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, SFE, and Wikipedia, and in all cases except SFE, that is shown as the correct title. Would there be any objection to me changing the title to <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i>? None of the publications have a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:17, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The publisher also refers to it as 'Rejoice, A Knife to the Heart', [https://www.promontorypress.com/books/rejoice-a-knife-to-the-heart/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SF Adventures Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827099; I can never remember which changes to names affect what, so if someone can approve this assuming artist change won't mess anything up with info on his page or whatever. Also, both PV are long-gone so someone may want to check and see if there are any little details that I missed which need correcting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looks good, submission approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:01, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Liam Hogan versus Laim Hogan ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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In working to add the story "Ana" by Liam Hogan in "The Best of British Science Fiction 2016", I need to add it's first publication in Scientific American, as noted in the "Best of British Science Fiction" copyright page and else on the internet at Scientific American.<br />
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I checked the author's name. There is no "Liam Hogan" currently in ISFDB, but there is a "Laim Hogan", the author of the 2019 short fiction "XX". "XX" is listed as published in "Best Indie Speculative Fiction: Volume Two, November 2019". Upon looking at that "Best Indie..." on Amazon, the preview shows "Liam Hogan" on both the cover and table of contents.<br />
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Upon checking further, the website https://happyendingnotguaranteed.blogspot.com/p/2014.html for Liam Hogan notes both "XX" and "Ana" as his stories.<br />
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Therefore, I would appreciate it if a moderator could correct this author's name in ISFDB to "Liam" Hogan. Once that is done, I'll add "Ana" in the Scientific American webzine.<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:46, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: We do have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?180891 Liam Hogan] so I cannot rename [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?336607 Laim Hogan]. Same guy I think? If so, the fastest solution is to just fix the author on the stray story. If not, I will be happy to differentiate them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:52, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for fixing the author entry. Looks correct now. I'll go ahead and add the first publication for "Ana" now. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dave888|contribs]]) .</small> 14:03, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A SHORTFICTION title incorporated into the body of a NONFICTION title ==<br />
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I am holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823707 this submission], which would import {{A|Howard Koch}}'s SHORTFICTION title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982024 The Invasion from Mars: A Radio Adaptation] into the 2009 NONFICTION book [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765971 Waging The War of the Worlds: A History of the 1938 Radio Broadcast and Resulting Panic, Including the Original Script]. As the title of the NONFICTION book states, the text includes Koch's script, so normally it would make sense to approve the submission. However, the Notes field explains that:<br />
* Howard Koch's radio script is incorporated into the body of the book's main text, rather than being a separate essay.<br />
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Would you say that it makes sense to list the SHORTFICTION title as a Contents items in this pub? Or is it better presented as a part of the NONFICTION title? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:44, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My five cents: I'd say it makes sense if the piece is incorporated as a whole and without interruptions (of explaining notes). In the latter case the piece may only serve as a means to comment on Koch's unique handling (or something similar). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:25, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::If it's contained in its entirety and its content appears in proper order (whether or not contiguously), I am inclined to allow it. Technically, the work is published in the book. If it's not contiguous, the situation strikes me as similar to publications of "braided" stories. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:49, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks, folks. I have approved the submission, notified the inactive primary verifier and updated Notes to clarify the situation. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Entries disappeared ==<br />
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At least four of my entries from the last few weeks have disappeared from the database. I looked for the new publication series page, Gruselkabinett, as I was going to add more, and it and the four books I entered in it are gone. They're audio books: <i>Der Bluthund</i> by H.P. Lovecraft, <i>Die Weiden</i> and <i>Das unbewohnte Haus</i> by Algernon Blackwood, and <i>Die Toten sind unersättlich</i> by Leopold Sacher-Masoch. Even a new author entry they generated has vanished, the artist on two of the titles, Johannes Belach. I have no idea if more of my entries have disappeared. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 12:24, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking submission history (a moderator-only menu option), I see the following:<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981382 Publication ID 981382, ''Der Bluthund''], created on 2023-12-02 16:30:43. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:08:08. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981093 Publication ID 981093, ''Die Weiden''], created on 2023-11-30 18:58:05. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:37. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981433 Publication ID 981433, ''Das unbewohnte Haus''], created on 2023-12-02 20:36:31. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:13. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* I can't find an audio book version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3248968 Die Toten sind unersättlich] using moderator tools. I could presumably do it using programmer tools, but it would take time.<br />
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: I assume that Stonecreek deleted the 3 pubs listed above as per [[ISFDB:Policy]], which says:<br />
:* '''Included''': audio books, i.e. readings, but not dramatizations<br />
: I'll ask Stonecreek to join this discussion. We'll need to make sure that we are all on the same page or else we'll be stuck in an endless cycle of some editors adding certain books and other editors deleting them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:01, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, I deleted them on the basis of the rule that dramatizations are not to be included. I stumbled over the entry for "Die Weiden" upon reading a review at 'phantastiknews.de' of the play, and found that the other entries for publications fell into the same category. (A good rule of thumbs for a first check is if there are more than one speakers for a piece, it is most likely that it is a dramatization). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. In the future, when you come across publication records for ineligible works (like dramatizations), please use Edit History to identify the original submitter(s) and discuss the issue with them first. That way they will be made aware of what is and is not eligible for inclusion and won't make the same type of mistake in the future. Without an explanation, they'll be either confused and frustrated when the data that they previously submitted disappears or they will continue adding ineligible records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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I should leave it at that, since Ahasuerus was a lot more measured than I could be right now over the situation. -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In the past, we didn't have Edit History, so it was hard to tell who did what when. Now that it's been available for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development/Archive/2021 almost three years], it should be the default tool used to figure out why something appears to be off and whether a discussion is warranted.<br />
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: That said, old habits die hard. I still occasionally catch myself making a change, then realizing that I should have checked Edit History first. Hopefully, things will improve going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: My name was right there in the WorldCat verification on all four of those entries. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 21:34, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: My apologies: I stiil have to adapt to making a direct notification: as with this case I came upon this while doing research for another author at the news site, and carried on with this other task after that to get it done in that specific setting. <br />
::: And I didn't recall that the note left in the moderator's field wouldn't be easy to find. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::: (I'd love to add some really good audio plays to the database, but they ''are'' excluded, just like the ones you had added). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series Parent Position and Series Num fields ==<br />
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"Series Num" can have numbering that are not integers (e.g., 2.1, 2.2, etc.), but apparently the "Series Parent Position" field when editing series can only be integers. Can we change the field to allow non-integer numbering? This would allow subseries to be placed in the correct location with a larger series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:40, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This functionality was requested in {{FR|1403}}, "Allow decimal numbers as Series Parent Position values". Unfortunately, it is much harder to implement than it looks. The way the "Series Number" field works for title records is rather involved; back when I implemented it, it took me weeks to get everything updated and debugged. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds good. I'm glad it's on the list. Thanks for all your work on the backend of things. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic information for Strange Tales ==<br />
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For the UK magazine Strange Tales edited by Walter Gillings I believe that the noted second printing of the first issue is just a variant cover. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?618191<br />
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In George Locke's Spectrum of Fantasy, volume 1, page 3 he states as such. His examination of the two copies he had was that they were identical with the exception of two different covers. I would find it hard to believe that an attempt of a new publication which was dodging the fact it was a magazine would go into two printings, as there were still paper shortages after the War. The price on both covers is the same, one shilling net on one cover 1/- on the other. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jwkbooks|Jwkbooks]] ([[User talk:Jwkbooks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jwkbooks|contribs]]) .</small> 17:12, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Long time for approval? ==<br />
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Is it unusual if my relatively minor edits take two weeks or more to be approved? Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 22:38, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Typically, it wouldn't take that long, but unfortunately, the "New Submissions" queue has been very long recently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:51, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 00:17, 28 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Missing Clone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5832571; What happened to the clone? It's not there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The submission failed because one of the titles in the cloned publication, 2439970 (Intelligence and Luck), is no longer present. It appears that the title was merged in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816680 this edit] which was submitted on November 21st and approved on December 12. I'm guessing that your clone submission was submitted within that time frame. When the merge was done, the other title record was the one that was kept, and 2439970 was deleted. You should be able to re-clone the container title and pick up the current contents including the merged title of that story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:11, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art weirdness ==<br />
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So browsing (as you do). I came across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1379001 this] cover art entry which seems, to my eye at least, an identical piece to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139158 this one]. Any comments ?--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:40, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:To my eye, these look identical. We would have to research the Maria Carella credit for the French ones. Likely Herve put on one and then carried that over into the other by cloning. The Tim Jacobus credit on the ''Doomsday Book'' covers seems clear (from copyright statement on hardcover's jacket flap). My first guess would be a misinterpretation of some sort of general artist credit on ''Le grand livre'' as referring to the cover instead of to interior artwork. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:42, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) These are definitely based on the same cover art. The question then is whether the cover artist was really credited as "Maria Carella" in this J'ai Lu edition or whether it's a data entry error in our database. Checking Google, I see that J'ai Lu has used at least two other covers -- https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjbJRjGrF4EtBXromnm4E-mn-bwNjmriUiD9y_zEqCWxOsPAdQkITLtQ-6VzOAKbgq3b4&usqp=CAU and m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61mHPaZVmdL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg -- and it's possible that one of them was done by Maria Carella. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:49, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I did more research and found some pictures. In the original Bantam edition, the copyright page has "Book design by Maria Carella" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_37245aad-355d-4ecf-981b-2939ddd31921_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]) and the rear flap says "Cover illustration &copy; 1992 by Tim Jacobus" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_7be69af1-7c70-4430-86da-f306440e8119_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]). So I think the book design credit got conflated with cover artistry, either by J'ai Lu or someone else (if Herve did not have the books, his source might have been NooSFere, which credits the cover to Carella). Unless anyone disagrees, I will change the credit on the French ones and document the discrepancy with French secondary sources and probable source of the confusion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Nice! I also wonder if {{A|Maria Carella}} was the cover artist or the cover designer for the first (1988) edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354512 Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology]. Our source is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t203.htm#A12107 the Locus Index], which simply says "cover by Maria Carella". <del>For what it's worth, the Internet Archive has the [https://archive.org/details/visionsofwonders0000unse/page/n5/mode/2up 1996 edition, which has a different cover, on file] and its copyright page says "Design by Lynn Newark"</del> -- '''never mind, it turns out that "Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1988) and "Visions of Wonder: the Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1996) are completely different'''. Even if we keep Maria Carella as the cover artist, we will want to change her working language from French to English. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:41, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=maria+carella; She's mentioned in 16 notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I made these adjustments: Maria Carella language to English. ''Le grand livre'' cover credit to Jacobus (+ variant to ''Doomsday Book'' cover). Added note to French cover and to the first of the French pubs about secondary sources crediting Carella but her being credited as book designer (and Jacobus as cover illustrator) in original Bantam edition. Added note to Bantam hc about the book design credit. I found some pictures of portions of the interior of that anthology, but they did not include the copyright or credits pages, so I couldn't conclude anything about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:28, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Data entered exactly as on books [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/74/Grand_livre.jpg 1994 on top, 1995 below, "illustration" having the same meaning in both langages, "de" meaning "by"].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] ([[User talk:Hauck|talk]]) 05:26, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Well, that is quite clear, too, then. Then I guess we should have a "Maria Carella (in error)" as an alternate name then, with the above explanation, and the cover art with that credit as the variant. And no direct credit to Jacobus in the J'ai Lu editions. Does that sound correct to everyone? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:28, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::Sounds good to me. I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10617 Bantam 1st ed hc] and have checked it against the above discussion and concur. The book also states "Jacket design by Jamie S. Warren Youll" on rear flap which reinforces the statement that Maria Carella was only involved in the book design, not the cover. I have PVd the pub record and submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847617 this edit] to add extra info and change the source of all the data to the actual book. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:34, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::::Happy New Year, everyone. I have made the further adjustments I proposed above, and I accepted the changes to the Bantam edition. Please correct -- or let me know about -- anything that still is not as it should be. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:08, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New translations of Ursula K. Le Guin's Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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A few days ago I posted 2 records for a 1981 and a 2002 edition of ''Pimeduse ahem käsi''. the Estonian translation of ''The Left Hand of Darkness'', and 2 images for their respective book covers. I realize it's the holiday season and that there's a backlog... I have a Bulgarian translation as well and I'd like to upload that, though I worry that I'm not doing it right. Also if there are any editors or moderators here with a particular interest in Le Guin I'd like to make your acquaintance. Cheers, [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 14:45, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Hello and a happy new year, Evertype! I do think that I do fall into the category, as Le Guin is in the top three of my favourite authors. I have to admit that most of the copies I own contain German translations (and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar Jens]' German collection seems to be even more complete, but nowadays he isn't so often around). I know there are lots of translations of her work missing (with Dutch, French & German seemingly well-covered). If you have any questions that you think I might be able to help in, just ping me on my talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:16, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== External ID: PPN ==<br />
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It seems that the Dutch National Library has changed its www address. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs Here] it is "picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/" but doesn't work any more. The new one seems to be "picarta.oclc.org/psi/xslt/DB=3.9". Please have a look on that. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 13:35, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: The "PPN" template has been updated as well. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:48, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Charles Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873365; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873368; Can I get these 2 edits approved? I was going to add the other book by the author mentioned in the F&SF essay but online photo says Charles Williams on title page; checking further revealed that it's the same for Rolling Pin. There's already a famous novelist of that name and an artist on ISFDB so what do you think this guy should be known as, maybe (I)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pages of deceased users ==<br />
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Would it be helpful or useful to block the user pages and talk pages of deceased users, so no edits or submissions can be made any more? Ahasuerus told me these pages viewed as something like memorials, so they should be left untouched. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:40, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Generally, we put the [[:Template:Deceased user|Deceased user]] template at the top of their pages so people know not to post comments or questions there. So far, I haven't seen a huge problem with simply leaving them as they are. If problems do occur, we can always lock the pages so only admins can edit them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:49, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Locking the Talk pages will cause confusion to newer editors who are directed to post on the PV's pages and if the first few they hit are ones of the ones we had lost - asking them to post there while they cannot will either make them never post anywhere or just get frustrated. Plus the pages that we want to preserve are the User pages, not the Talk pages. I'd argue that User pages should be locked for Admin and the user they belong to at all times but that will make life harder and we do not have too many issues so I never raised that up as a proposal. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I was only suggesting locking the pages if we ran into problems where someone was editing them maliciously and we needed a way to stop it. Pages can be locked from editing for a brief period of time, too, which is generally the only kind of locking that's needed. Only in extreme cases would a page need to be locked for more than a week or so. I do like the idea of locking the user page of deceased editors, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: We are in agreement -- I was just mentioning that locking the Talk pages is going to cause other possible issues downstream (unlike User pages which can be safely locked without side effects). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:07, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Add link at the bottom of "Author Merge Update" ==<br />
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After two or more authors are merged, can we please add a link to the resulting record on the confirmation page (post approval). Now you need to either keep a record open or look for it again once the merge completes. (the script in question is cgi-bin/mod/aa_merge.cgi). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:29, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: {{FR|1591}} has been created and implemented. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Now, that's quick fix - less than an hour between reporting and getting it live on the server ;) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Safari ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?648417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884004; PV used wrong cover so I uploaded right one from recent archived copy but they also added wrong uploaded wraparound image in the notes. Can someone approve my edit and then move the note over to the other edition? The record number doesn't make a difference to where the image points, I assume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: The note has been moved to the correct publication. Is the interior art the same for both publications? If so, merge the two tile records. If not, we need a note on each and a do not merge warning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:33, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shattered Lens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892580; After checking further it turns out the correct title I fixed "Tears" to was used for the story's reprint in a magazine a few years later. After approval will the titles merge on their own or will it need to be done manually? If manual, can someone approve this so I can merge before I forget? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Approved. You need to merge them. Submit and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:13, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::All done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:19, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX; It won't make much difference to my PV because I only have about 50 but I can foresee trouble with others if he starts adding Roman where they don't belong. This is a common problem with other editors, too, where they add Roman even though the numbering goes straight from Roman to non-Roman. A LOT of DAW Books, for example, have unnecessary numbers entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:From the help, bullet point 2 under [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Pages]:<br />
:* "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers for introductory material, followed by Arabic numerals for the main text of the book, enter both sets of numbers. For example, a book with a page count field of "viii+320" has "viii" as the highest numbered page with a Roman numeral. (Note that there are no spaces in the page count.) Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored. Note that you should include the enumeration of the pages in Roman numerals even if there is no material that requires a separate content record (such as an introduction or preface) in those pages. This is in contrast with the situation with unnumbered pages prior to page 1; see the following bullet point for what to do in that case."<br />
:[https://www.ebay.com/itm/296164887458 This ebay.com listing] shows Roman numerals as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897763 this submission] suggests. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::If I understand that correctly then I disagree and you can find many instances on the boards here where mods tell editors to enter Roman only if the book doesn't continue the numbering straight into the Arabic. That's the way I enter Roman (except possibly for my early edits where I wasn't sure what I was doing) and so do many others. This has led to a lot of confusion. For example, this record's notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629077, mention this situation and only Arabic were entered while the notes here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979406, are similar but both Roman and Arabic were entered. I'm sure there are countless other examples. So nobody seems sure what the right way to do it is but if one has really been decided on then that would entail fixing thousands and thousands of records where they were entered the other way. That would be a huge task. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::For my own understanding's sake: The situation being discussed here is a contiguous set of pages, ending on Arabic-numeral'ed '''''366''''', but where the first fourteen pages are Roman-numeral'ed '''''i - xiv''''' and the remaining three hundred fifty-two are Arabic-numeral'ed '''''15 - 366'''''? If that is the case, I don't think the help covers this scenario. While the second bullet does seem to call for entering the highest Roman numeral plus the highest Arabic numeral, the third bullet also talks about counting backwards from the first "numbered page to see which is page 1". That would technically mean page i is also page 1, and there is no introductory material before page 1. The second bullet seems to assume the numbering of the pages for introductory material does not overlap the numbering of the pages for the main text, which is not the case here. Recording xiv+366 would record the numbering accurately but would completely distort the page count, which is that the Pages field is all about. I would record this as Pages = 366 with a note that the main text starts on p. 15 and the pages prior to that are numbered i - xiv, just as I would record it with Pages = 366 and a note that the text starts on numbered p. 15 if there were no numbered pages before it with any relevant content. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:32, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::Ah. Pages. My favourite subject. :-)<br />
::::I agree that the Help Notes do not cover this scenario adequately. I doubt the scenario was considered when the Notes were written. Consequently, past editors have just done what they think best at the time. As Username correctly states, no matter what we decide here, there is a legacy problem of all the existing inconsistent records which will be almost impossible to reconcile. I also agree that an explanatory pub note in this situation should be mandatory.<br />
::::However, that is where my "agreements" end. In this example, Pages should be recorded as xiv+366. Under the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Help for Pages], the bullet point starting "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers" unambiguously states that both Roman and Arabic Numerals should be entered. The following bullet point, starting "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1" is not applicable to this scenario because there are no unnumbered pages before page 1.<br />
::::Although xiv+366 does distort the page count, this argument does not hold water because it is existing ISFDb policy that we do distort the page count. See this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book#Some_examples_about_page_count_accuracy How To] under the bullet point starting "Approximation:"<br />
::::Another feature I like about using xiv+366 occurs in the situation where there is recordable content in the Roman Numeral pages. Suppose there is a map on page vi. Then vi would be entered as the start page of the map in the Contents section. It would look really illogical and inconsistent if the Pages field for the publication merely contained 366. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:08, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pandemic ==<br />
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Since the CDC officially ended its Covid-19 declaration in May of 2023 the note on our front page about forthcoming books possibly being delayed by the pandemic should be removed. Any delays now are due to other reasons. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hound Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5909601; Can someone approve this if they agree all my additions/changes are correct? Whoever entered author info spelled legal first name wrong so it needs fixing and I'm not sure if the info will be there with the name change per book's title page or if a mod has to do it from the author's record or something or other. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:03, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Done. I moved the info from the old author record to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?376213 new record], correcting that spelling error. I also fixed the review to refer to the M.-less name, so the old record went away due to no further references. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:48, 7 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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== Pages - help screens and templates ==<br />
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There are 5 screens of help and guidance for entering page values; [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages NewPub], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages EditPub], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages PublicationFields], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PubContentFields:Page PubContentFields], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book How to determine the value for the "Pages" field in a book].<br />
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In the light of recent discussions I think it would be helpful if, at <i>the top of each screen,</i>, there could be four lines (one for each of the other four screens) which includes a link to same. At present, 3 of the screens have a link to the "How to..." page but it's right at the end. The "How to..." page has references and links to the PublicationFields template (twice) and the NewPub page. Admittedly 3 of the pages contain identical wording, but knowing of the existence of them <i>all</i>, whichever page one first lands on is what I'm addressing. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:21, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It might be good to combine all of the information from each of those pages and create one page that can be transcluded to all of those locations. That way, the information on all of them will be identical, and any changes to the one location for the information will be propagated to all of them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:58, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think that's an excellent idea Joe. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:45, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Does inclusion in the Hugo Award Voter Packet count as a publication? ==<br />
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Apologies if this is an old topic, although I think this particular case might be a new spin on it.<br />
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There are (at least) 2 Chinese stories in the Hugo Voter Packet that have English translations provided. They are in PDF and/or EPUB formats. The original Chinese stories and their publications were added to the database when the Hugo finalists were announced, so these translations would be alternate titles to existing records. (Exception: some of them are stories for the Astounding Award for Best New Writer finalists, which I didn't add anything for at the time, because it seemed too hard/nebulous.)<br />
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At least one of those translations is scheduled to be an anthology due out later this year, and another I'm 99% certain will appear in Galaxy's Edge magazine at some point, so it's not as if (some of) these translations will never get recorded in the database. <br />
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After reading [[ISFDB:Policy#Included]], I'm still unsure as to their eligibility for inclusion here. Maybe they fall under ''"Convention programs, guides, etc. We definitely want any convention-published "real books", but probably not the ephemera."'', but as that note is marked as "Debatable", it's not exactly helpful...<br />
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Thanks. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I had a [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15#A confused record|discussion]] (beginning with the first response) with [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] last year about this. We were both leaning towards adding the Hugo packet as a publication. I had (and continue to have) other priorities that I'd rather work on. However, I would still support the Hugo packet as a single OMNIBUS publication published by the Worldcon for the year. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:03, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: If my understanding is correct, "Hugo Voter Packets" are sent to all World Science Fiction Society (WSFS) members -- see [https://www.thehugoawards.org/category/voter-packet/ https://www.thehugoawards.org/category/voter-packet/] and [https://en.chengduworldcon.com/help/1 en.chengduworldcon.com/help/1]. Anyone can become a WSFS member (and therefore a Hugo/Lodestar/Astounding voter) by paying $50 per year.<br />
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:: For most practical purposes this system is similar to book clubs, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_press_association APAs] and other organizations which limit circulation to their members. Since we include book club editions, fanzines, etc, it seems to make sense to include these "Hugo Voter Packets". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:55, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Just for the record - I still think it should be eligible as an e-book omnibus. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:32, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks all, I'll try to make a start on this year's some time soon.<br />
:::: One follow up question: for stuff like custom submissions that contain multiple stories or essays, I think it's better to group those as new OMNIBUS, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY or NONFICTION titles, which then get pulled into the OMNIBUS, rather than just have all the individual SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, etc imported directly into the OMNIBUS.<br />
:::: e.g. this year's Best Editor (Short Form) for Sheree Renee Thomas comprises 14 PDFs, which are an issue of F&SF, a full anthology, and 12 individual stories and essays extracted from F&SF and a couple of anthologies. Rather than import those directly into the "Hugo Voter Packet" OMNIBUS publication, I propose to have a "Sheree Renee Thomas Hugo Award 2023 Voter Packet Submission" OMNIBUS containing those, which is then imported into the top level OMNIBUS. This (IMHO) keeps things more consistent and tidy with for example, the Neil Clarke submission, which is a single PDF anthology of 13 stories and an essay. Objections/thoughts? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:29, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'll defer to the software experts, but I'm pretty sure that an OMNIBUS cannot contain another OMBNIBUS. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:45, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Not under the current rules, no... And I really would prefer not to change this -- we had a discussion around that when someone was adding the Baen disks - creating artificial containers that had never existed is going to look ordered on the surface but will be a pain for an end user - aka - in order to get the complete list for the packet, they will need to open multiple non-existing publications (as you will need a publication for these internal omnibuses if you want to import in them). So I'd just import all stories/articles/whatever into the single omnibus and use Notes to explain what is what (and use the numbering to keep the separate pieces next to each other). If the concern is where the award/nomination gets assigned - this is not different from when a set of books are nominated - just add it to each of the title records - for the example - she did not get nominated for an omnibus containing these works, she was nominated because of all the separate works... Although technically speaking, as it is a nomination for her and not the works, these should not get the nomination added to them anyway - but if there is something where that applies, the logic is the same. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:51, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Ah, no problem, I'll just chuck everything in the "top-level" omnibus.<br />
::::::: The thought of adding the award nomination to those hypothetical "fake" title records didn't actually occur to me ;-) I agree that awards to people rather than titles should be done as untitled awards. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:01, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: If you look at the thread Ron linked above, I was wondering at the time between an overall omnibus and a series/pub series for the different pieces -- mainly due to the fact that parts of it are distributed separately. But it is a special case and a single omnibus makes more sense I think -- and makes it easier to see what is inside (plus as with all other omnibuses containing other containers (collections/anthologies), you will ultimately want to add ALL contents pieces in the top level anyway for visibility - aka for people who want to see where the story can be found - as we do not have "indirect" lists so having the fake middle ones will be mostly so you can have visual separation more than anything...). Plus if we ever change our mind, we can always create the smaller containers. Does not change the fact that we want all visible in the big omnibus anyway - which means importing all in it as well...<br />
:::::::: As for the awards note - yeah I realized it as soon as I typed it but then there may be other pieces in there for which that applies so I left it and added the last note). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:21, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Interior art - do we use artwork captions in the titling? ==<br />
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That's one of the questions arising from this discussion about the artwork in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Weir_-_Project_Hail_Mary Project Hail Mary]. Clarification of the rules would be much appreciated. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:34, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:My opinion: The spirit of artwork record titling is that, except when published as a "standalone" piece of art, artwork is subordinate to the work or publication with which it is associated. Artwork record titles generally reflect that subordination. Here is what I think is de facto practice:<br />
:*COVERART titles should always be the same as that of the publication. (In fact, I think this is the one place we do not add disambiguation for the case of two different works of art by the same artist for different publications/editions with the same title.)<br />
:*INTERIORART titles in a publication of, or about, artwork should record the "natural" labeling used in the publication. If works are identified by title or caption, that text should be used. If works are identified by use case, then either the canonical title with " (use case)" appended or a descriptive title should be used. For example, if a plate in publication XYZ is publication ABC's cover, title XYZ's INTERIORART record "ABC (cover)". If a COVERART record for ABC's cover is present, XYZ's INTERIORART record should be made a variant of that.<br />
:*All other INTERIORART titles should usually be the same as that of the illustrated work, or of the containing publication if not illustrating a specific work. However, each of a publication's INTERIORART titles should be unique within the publication's contents. Where the use-the-publication-or-work's-title scheme would result in the publication's having multiple INTERIORART content records with the same title text, the titles should be disambiguated. Different disambiguation techniques are employed, depending on use case and information available.<br />
:**If the same artist is responsible for multiple works of art that are being recorded separately, the title text for each must be made unique.<br />
:***If the works have titles or captions, those may be used.<br />
:***If the works have different use cases, append " (use case)" to one or more of the otherwise ambiguous records. E.g. "ABC (map)".<br />
:***If no better differentiator is available, append " [number]" to each of the otherwise ambiguous records. E.g., "ABC [1]", "ABC [2]",...<br />
:**If different artists are responsible for different pieces of art, the normal titling scheme is followed, with each INTERIORART record having the same title text but different Artist credits. Note that "use case" disambiguation may also be employed in this case. E.g., "ABC (maps)" by artist 1 and "ABC (illustrations)" by artist 2. If differing artist credit alone is not sufficient to produce uniquely identifiable records, then one of the disambiguation schemes should be applied first to produce the title text, then the appropriate artist credit should be assigned. E.g., "ABC [1]" by artist 1, "ABC [2]" by artist 2, "ABC [3]" by artist 1.<br />
:As I said, that is my opinion. I would also note that ISFDB's view of artwork has changed over the years. We used to treat artwork as much more of an afterthought/second-class data citizen than we do today. So, for example, you will see disambiguated-by-number records entered long ago where today we would use some more readily identifiable form of disambiguation. Or older single publication-wide records where today we would tend to use multiple records to document each of the individual works. Some of the help text may not be fully in tune with the times. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:20, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::re "I think this is the one place we do not add disambiguation for the case of two different works of art by the same artist for different publications/editions with the same title": Cover art is not a special case. We only disambiguate artwork titles within the same publication, not across publications. I agree with you on the remainder. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:20, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If I read Marty's reply correctly, what it boils down to is that for the art's title, the illustrated work's title is used with all the disambiguation cases etc, as explained above (and except for the bullet point 'If the works have titles or captions, those may be used [to make them unique]' - which I don't read in the current rules btw).<br />
::: My interpretation of the rules is exactly that, ie. the title of INTERIORART is the same as the title of the work it illustrates - even though there are several examples currently in the DB where the actual INTERIORART title or caption are used as title, instead of the title of the work the art illustrates. The issue that I'm having with the current rules is that they are not very clear in explaining what title to use, hence should be rewritten to make them unambiguous - because right now, the rules do not clarify what do to in case there's artwork that has a proper title of its own. - cfr. the discussion [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Weir_-_Project_Hail_Mary here]. I have two proposals to make the rules clearer:<br />
:::: * INTERIORART always get the title of the work it's illustrating. If the work does not illustrate any particular work, use the title of the publication the art appears in, or<br />
:::: * If INTERIORART has its own title or caption, use that title or caption. Else, use the publication's title instead<br />
:::: (+ the disambiguation cases laid out by Marty above, of course). Thoughts? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:03, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As has been noted by others, if the interior art has a caption, use that for the title. Otherwise, it should be using the title of the work plus a disambiguator as noted above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Yes, but that's not what the current rules say. Do we agree to amend the rules to make it clear that the caption should be used if there is one, and the title of the work in all other cases? (we may want to refine for artwork publications). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:46, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::It should be optional, not a requirement. Same as it is optional to enter individual titles or leave it as one record for the entire pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:25, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Works for me. Anyone else who'd like to chime in? I'll try to come up with an update for the rules text to clarify that INTERIORART gets the title of the work it illustrates, and if there's a caption, that caption can be used instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:10, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) If "... INTERIORART gets the title of the work it illustrates" means the publication title, then I object. It would make my favored approach outside standards. The title record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?919662 Winds of the Forelands (maps)] covers all the maps used in a series. It clearly shows how the maps are credited, where they appear and is easily edited if additional volumes are published. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:44, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree with John. It's important to be able to use one record for the same illustrations (maps in particular) used in a series. Sometimes the illustrations don't have a caption or there are several possible captions. A grouping title can provide a container that clarifies the use of the illustrations without unnecessarily duplicating them. The approach being discussed doesn't seem to provide for the flexibility to use a grouping title. It also feels like the proposed approach could inflate the number of works attributed to a given artist. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:20, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The rules currently state that artwork is only supposed to be titled per the title of the work (story or publication). The above is relaxing that rule to match how things generally are done. I'm fine adding an additional relaxation for "series" artwork as I agree combining maps makes sense. But if you are both objecting to any change, then you should realize your way of handling maps is not valid per the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:11, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The current standard for Maps - "Maps. These are considered interior art for ISFDB purposes and are typed as INTERIORART. The format for titling maps is "<b>Title of Work (map)</b>", for example: Brightness Reef (map). Optionally, if a map is titled you can use the stated title of the map without appending the name of the work, for example The Land of Nehwon (map)." (emphasis added) I interpret work as inclusive (publication, series, or story). <br />
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:::Note the wording in [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk's]] proposal - "INTERIORART always get the title of the work it's illustrating. If the work does not illustrate any particular work, use the title of the <b>publication</b> the art appears in..." (emphasis added) The change from work to publication was the source of my objection. <br />
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:::If the original intent was for work to be synonymous with publication and story only, then I am indeed proposing a change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::Concerning illustrations (eg maps) repeated in multiple volumes (of a series), under the current rules there is always the possibility to variant titles. That will effectively tie them together - under the current rules there's no need to 'invent' a common title for use across a series.<br />
::::Mind that I'm not saying that we can't change the rules, but the change John's (and Phil's) proposing requires more discussion before (if) we can accept the change and can update the rules accordingly. What do we do with INTERIORART that has<br />
::::* a caption, artwork identical, and that caption is identical across the volumes of the series --> this is an easy one; use the caption. Will need a rules change, but per the discussion above I'm fairly certain everyone's OK with adding 'if it has a caption, you have the option to use it'<br />
::::* a caption, artwork identical, but captions differ between volumes? --> since we'd make the use of the caption optional, we could decide to either use the series' title instead, or go the variant route, using the different caption titles (this latter would be my preference, as that's common practice for variant work titles anyway)<br />
::::* no caption, artwork identical, --> either use the title of the work it illustrates and variant per the other volumes, or, use the series title instead<br />
::::* combination of the above - might not be common, but can't be excluded either imo<br />
::::and then I've not even touched John's example: how to write down the conditions to cover this case where there's a grouping of different maps involved, which are not identical across volumes?<br />
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::::Note that using the series title has its own challenges: what with series titles that change over the years? Are we going to go back and update all INTERIORART titles that were based on the old, no longer applicable, series title? What with series titles that we've "invented"? Those that are not to be found on or in the publication? Is using these "invented" titles for INTERIORART a good idea?<br />
::::Lastly, we're now having two topics to discuss: "optional usage of caption", "usage of series title". What do you say, split the discussion in two sub-discussions? (splitting would allow us to update the rules to at least allow usage of captions...) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:44, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Splitting it seems reasonable. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:06, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Numbering of pages numbered in the ToC but not numbered themselves ==<br />
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Please go read [[User talk:Nihonjoe#1634: The Bavarian Crisis|this discussion]] for background. Please keep comments here, though, since this discussion will be referred to regarding any outcome. <br />
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Here's the summary: For pages prior to the main content, we generally use the numbering found on the pages themselves (this is the same for all other content, too). In some cases, those pages don't have any numbering on the pages themselves. For those, we generally include the number of those pages in square brackets prior to the main page count. For example: "[12]+374" for a book that has 12 unnumbered pages of recordable content (maps, introductions, etc.) prior to the main content. In the case linked above, the table of contents gives Roman numerals to that content, so I used that in the numbering ("[x]+690+[3]") and included a note to that effect in the notes for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 publication]: "Although no roman numerals are printed on any pages, the Contents page lists Maps beginning on page viii."<br />
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The question is whether using the Roman numerals is what should be done here (and in other such cases). On the [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular Titles|Help:Screen:NewPub]] page, it states "Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." My understanding of this is that it's meant to prevent us from using the table of contents page numbers when they disagree with the actual page numbers (basically, when the publisher forgets to update the table of contents when a change is made that affects the page numbers). <br />
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However, I don't think it should be applied in this case since it's the reverse of what I believe the intention of that rule is. In this case, the pages themselves don't have any page numbers on them. Rather, the only place the page numbers are given is in the table of contents. Because of this, there's no disagreement between the actual page numbers (since there aren't any) and the table of contents.<br />
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So, let's sort this out. Should we completely ignore page numbers in the table of contents in ''all cases''? Are there cases (like the one described above and at that link) where we should use the information found in the table of contents? Is there something else that should be done?<br />
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Thanks for your input on this discussion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:02, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If I am reading this correctly, you are thinking that where [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular Titles|Help:Screen:NewPub]] says:<br />
:* Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents<br />
: it was actually originally meant to say something like:<br />
:* Caution: When a page number in the table of contents contradicts the page number in the body of the publication, use the page number in the body of the publication<br />
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:* Caution: If a Contents item doesn't have a page number within the body of the publication but has a page number in the table of contents, enter the latter in the Page Number field and put square brackets around the value<br />
: ? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:58, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the intent of it was the first one, as that's how I've always seen it applied in the past. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::The thread title misstates the fundamental problem. At question is the proper handling of unnumbered pages before page 1 which contain indexable content. Proper determination of the Pages field in the publication metadata is the source of contention. I maintain that this situation is addressed in bullet point 3, under Pages, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages here]. [[User:Nihonjoe]] argues that Arabic numerals are not required and Roman numerals may be used instead. I see nothing in the help which allows this. The help specifically calls for Arabic numerals. The proper entry for the page field of each content title flows directly from the publication Pages field. <br />
:::If we decide that Roman numerals are appropriate, bullet points 2 and 3 will need to be completely rewritten. Of course I will support any consensus decision. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Sorry if it was confusing for you, but that wasn't my intent. Perhaps the title of this discussion isn't as clear as you would prefer, but the post itself is very clear. I was trying to be concise as really long section titles can be cumbersome. <br />
::::Regarding the rest of your comment, it really depends on the definition of "unnumbered" since I'm arguing that the ToC ''does'' number the pages since it has page numbers and the pages themselves do not. We need to determine if the ToC can ''absolutely never'' be used for any page numbers, or if (as I'm arguing in this case) it can be used for those page numbers when the ToC has them but the pages do not have them and the page numbers cannot be derived from surrounding pages that ''do'' have page numbers. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:51, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I think that using the numbers from the table of contents, with a note stating so, makes more sense in this case than inventing new numbers and discarding information printed in the book. I've always read this part of the help in the same way as you - it is there to define what to use when the actual book and the contents page disagree not to prohibit using the TOC when it is the only source.<br />
: With this being said, I can see the other side of the argument (for consistency sake if nothing else) - but my gut feeling is to go with what is printed in the book itself. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:08, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) I am in Annie's camp. I don't have strong feelings about this, other than I think from a database user's perspective, it would be somewhat strange to have content listed as on "[7]" when the TOC says it is on "v". My inclination is to adjust the "Caution" wording slightly to say that page numbers should be taken from the numbers printed on each content item's page, not from the TOC. Then in the "Pages without a printed page number" section add a bullet stating that if the page is given a number in the TOC, that number should be treated as if printed on the page, as long as not in conflict with numbering printed on other pages or with the number of physical pages in the publication. Something like that. That should be compatible with the other rules, page count determinations, etc. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::My only real problem with using a Roman numeral found only in the ToC is that if a reader were to pick up the book, look at the ToC, and try to go to that page, they couldn't find it using the page reference. No matter what, there definitely needs to be note describing the situation. More than anything, I would just like a well-stated, clear rule to apply. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:34, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I definitely agree. Having a note in these cases is very important. Having a clear and concise guideline is as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:29, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unintend) Let me clarify a couple of things. We are currently discussing ''Unnumbered pages within a range of unnumbered pages'' scenarios. Help currently says:<br />
* If a content starts on an unnumbered page within a range of unnumbered pages, its page number should first be derived and then entered in squared brackets. The page number can be derived by counting forward from the first page of the section of unnumbered pages. For example, if a content appears on the fifth page in a range of unnumbered pages, enter "[5]". <br />
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If I understand it correctly, the proposal under consideration would add a sub-rule after the second sentence, something like:<br />
* If the table of contents specifies the page number where the content starts AND that page number matches the number derived by counting forward, then use the numerals (i.e. Arabic or Roman) found in the table of contents. If the page number in the table of contents doesn't match the number derived by counting forward, then use the number derived and Arabic numerals.<br />
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The caveat after the capitalized "AND" above would be presumably needed to account for situations where the page number in the table of contents doesn't match the number derived by counting forward since we all know how bad tables of contents can be (my "favorite" example is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28666 here].)<br />
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Am I reading this correctly? Also, will this affect ''Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages'' scenarios which are covered by a separate Help paragraph? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:12, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Very close to an edit conflict with Ahasuerus.<br />
:Ahasuerus: Your understanding of the discussion re: ''Unnumbered pages within a range of unnumbered pages'' is correct. The situation of ''Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages'' has not yet been considered.<br />
:What follows below is what I had prepared to say before Ahasuerus jumped in first. :-) [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:58, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::The ISFDb rules already have a method for assigning page numbers to unnumbered pages that are not derivable by counting forwards / backwards, namely, the use of Arabic numerals in square brackets. So we don't need to resort to a secondary source for the page number. The way Pages are denoted in the ISFDb is already horrendously complicated and if we adopt the use of Roman numeral page numbers from the ToC where no number is printed on the actual page then we introduce further complications and also open other cans of worms. Examples:<br />
::1) Should the Roman numeral be enclosed in square brackets? This is currently not supported in the ISFDb rules.<br />
::2) Suppose a map is on an unnumbered page that is derivable by counting backwards (page 4, say) but the ToC lists it on page iv? What do we do? [Ahasuerus' proposed sub-rule addresses this case]<br />
::3) Suppose there is an article on an unnumbered page that is not recordable in the Contents section but the ToC lists it with a Roman numeral page number? What do we do?<br />
::If we use page numbers from the ToC then all the consequences and implications need to be considered and documented.<br />
:: I am in favour of not using page numbers from the ToC where no number is printed on the actual page.<br />
::Whichever way this goes:<br />
::i) the Help notes need updating to clarify what to do<br />
::ii) a pub note definitely needs to be added to explain the discrepancy and the Help notes should state this. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:59, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Here are a few questions using the publication which caused me to raise this issue, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 The Bavarian Crisis]. Pages: '[x]+690+[3]'. L-O-C '690' pages<br />
:::* Is anyone else concerned that the Pages field will differ from all secondary sources? (L-O-C in the above example). When we use bracketed Arabic numerals it's an obvious ISFDB construct. <br />
:::* Looking at my copy, viii is the only Roman numeral in the TOC. I assume [x], brackets addressed by [[User:Teallach|Teallach]], is a count of the total pages before page 1. This differs from how we presently deal with Roman numerals. Should the Pages field be 'viii+690+[3] or would that be another explanation in the help section?<br />
:::* I repeat for emphasis [[User:Teallach|Teallach's]] point 3.<br />
:::* The Pages field will become impossible for a reviewer to confirm unless they own the publication or there is a scan available. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Regarding each point:<br />
::::*Our page counts already often differ from those at many secondary sources. Whether the bracketed numerals are Arabic or Roman doesn't make our way of listing page numbers any less an "obvious ISFDB construct". There are a number of things we do here which can be confusing to people outside of ISFDB (the whole CHAPBOOK thing, for example). In this case, the only reason I put the Roman numerals in brackets was because the pages themselves are not numbered, and we'd do the same thing if they were completely unnumbered (meaning no mention of page numbers in the ToC or on the pages themselves).<br />
::::*The [x] is the total number of unnumbered valid content pages, derived from counting forward and backward from the one page number mentioned in the ToC for the pre-story content. Since the pages themselves didn't have any actual page numbers on them, but the page number for one of the pages was listed in the ToC, I used that. <br />
::::*I don't really understand what Teallach means by "Suppose there is an article on an unnumbered page that is not recordable in the Contents section but the ToC lists it with a Roman numeral page number? What do we do?" If the content is not recordable, then we don't include the content, regardless of whether it appears in the ToC or not, and regardless of whether it has page numbers or not. We do include the page numbers, however (for example, if there's an "Acknowledgements" or an "About the Author", and the pages were numbered, we'd include them in the page count but wouldn't record the content as a separate title. I would also include a note explaining the situation. <br />
::::*Unless a reviewer has a copy of the publication (whether physical or a PDF or scan of the publication in question), they wouldn't be able to confirm anything anyway. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this concern, but it seems like a non-concern from how I'm reading it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:24, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::This pending edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5796089, relates to this discussion. Is the way I entered numbers the way it's been decided they're supposed to be done? Because it does mention "179" on contents page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:49, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Nihonjoe: here is an example to clarify my point 3).<br />
::::::The text of a novel starts on a page with a printed number of 1 and finishes on a page with a printed number of 999. There are ten unnumbered pages in the book before the start of the novel. A one page "About the Author" article appears on the fifth of these pages. The ToC lists the "About the Author" article and assigns it a page number of v.<br />
::::::Now, we don't record the "About the Author" article in the Contents section but what do we put in the publication Pages field? The possibilities seem to be 999 or v+999 or [v]+999 [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:54, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::I'd do either v+999 or [v]+999 (depending on if we want to count the ToC assigning a page number as "numbered" or "unnumbered"), unless the "About the Author" is multiple pages, and then I'd extend the Roman numeral count accordingly. In your example, I'm assuming there is no other content, recordable or otherwise, outside of the "About the Author" section? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:39, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::I was not looking for a solution to the example. I just provided it to clarify my case 3 because you said you did not really understand it. At this stage of the proceedings I do not consider it appropriate to start working solutions to the three cases I raised, firstly because they will not be relevant if the consensus is that we do not use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves and secondly because we risk losing focus on the main issue. The existing rules for Pages are already very complicated. If we do use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves then all those cases I described (plus possibly others that I and other editors / moderators have not thought of or raised yet) will need to be discussed, agreed upon and have additional rules added to the Help Notes on Pages to deal with them. This will make the rules for Pages even more complicated. I am very much against doing this unless it is necessary because the more complicated the rules are, the easier it is for editors and moderators to make mistakes. In this situation, it is not necessary. In my opinion, it's not even desirable. If we decide to not use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves then we just need to add one sentence to this effect to the Help Notes and we are done. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 25 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I don't think it's a major change either way. Printed page numbering directs how we record the page number and the count of pages in the block where the numbered page appears. For pages with no numbers, either we always count and always use Arabic numerals, or we allow pages to be considered numbered by proxy via the TOC first, before defaulting to the counting + Arabic numeral scheme. Use of the TOC, however, would need some kind of caveat to cover the case where a TOC is reprinted from a different format edition without adjustment and does not match the layout (similar to copyright page/printing statement handling). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:14, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Other Missing Values on the Title Page ===<br />
It occurs to me that the "no page number on the title page" is related to other "missing values on the title page" scenarios.<br />
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What do we do if a story or an essay doesn't have a title printed on the title page, but the information appears elsewhere within the publication, e.g. in the table of contents? [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]] says:<br />
* For short stories, essays and poems, when working from a primary source, always take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins. The title shown in/on the table of contents, running page headers, index, front cover of the publication, secondary bibliography, or a promotional website listing is secondary.<br />
However, what does "secondary" mean in this case? Does it mean that we can use "secondary" titles if no title is given on the title page? If so, then we should spell it out and also explain the hierarchy of "fallback scenarios", e.g. whether the version in the "running page header" should be used before the version in the table of contents.<br />
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Similarly, what do we do if a story or an essay has no author credit? In most cases we use "uncredited", but [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]] allows an exception:<br />
* If an individual work doesn't have an author credit, which is common in single-author collections, use the form of the author's name stated on the publication's main title page.<br />
Essays whose authors sign their names at the end -- as opposed to on the title page -- are another de facto exception since we typically enter the signed names in the "Author(s)" field.<br />
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These scenarios are similar to "missing page number" scenarios in that they provide alternative values -- sometimes documented in Help and sometimes undocumented -- that editors use to populate "Title" and "Author(s)" fields. I am thinking that we should start by clarifying the current rules and bringing then up to date before we start changing the rules for page numbers. For authors, it could be something like:<br />
* For Content entries, the order of locations to take author names from is:<br />
*# The title page if author name(s) are present<br />
*# The last page of the content item if signed by the author(s)<br />
*# For single-author collections only, the publication's main title page<br />
*# If none of the locations listed above list author name(s), enter "uncredited"<br />
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For titles, we will also want to clarify where the pub's main title should come from if the pub has no title page, which is increasingly common with independently published books. I have been using what's printed on the cover, but we really need to spell out what the hierarchy should be.<br />
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Once we clearly document the current de facto standard for titles and authors, it should be easier to decide what to do with page numbers. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:00, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Don't forget TOC :). Not to start down a rat hole, but I believe we also don't follow strict order once the preferred location fails to provide a value. E.g., if TOC used one name and last page used another, and one was canonical, we'd likely use that. Anyway, it also sounds like we need to distinguish the "secondary" that is from-the-pub-but-not-in-the-official-place from "secondary" that is from-somewhere-other-than-the-pub. Perhaps "fallback" for the former? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 22:12, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have run [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=untitled&type=Fiction+Titles a few database searches] and it looks like we use the following values for works without a title:<br />
:::* "Untitled" -- note the capitalization -- e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1732839 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1722146 this poem]<br />
:::* "untitled" -- all lowercase -- e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?270431 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1337411 this poem]<br />
:::* "Untitled" or "untitled" followed by the first few words in the body of the work in parentheses, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566996 Untitled ("1.6: These texts are a book about the people and their Gods ...")] (SHORTFICTION) or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2913627 untitled ("A gate in rubble")] (POEM)<br />
:::* "Untitled" or "untitled" followed by a short description of the work, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1851523 "(Untitled Congratulations to Isaac Asimov)"]<br />
:::* The same as immediately above except disambiguated, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1951605 "(untitled editorial) (ERB-dom, June 1973)"]<br />
:::* "[Untitled]" or "[untitled]", e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2846492 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1081917 this poem]<br />
:::* "(Untitled)" or "(untitled"), e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1405437 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1405439 this poem]<br />
:::* The same as immediately above except disambiguated, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2034496 (untitled) (Twisted #4, Summer 1987)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2034510 (untitled) (Twisted #4, Summer 1987) [2\]]<br />
::: So a lot of different scenarios, all of them revolving around the use of "untitled". I don't think we have this de facto standard documented anywhere, do we? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:34, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I believe for poems we also sometimes use the first line, or portion thereof, in quotes (without "untitled"). I believe I have done it, and I don't recall from where I got the practice. Of course, I believe lots of things.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:06, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Relating to the third item in the listing of the order of locations to take author names from: I think it would be meaningful to also add novels to this item (to use the publication's main title page), in case there are forewords, prefaces, notes worthy to add, all of which are unsigned but obviously written by the author(s) of the novel. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:34, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kindle Vella - In or Out? ==<br />
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We have two previous discussions I can find ([[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Kindle_Vella_ASINs|this one]] and [[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive51#New_Amazon_service_-_Kindle_Vella|this one]]), neither of which seemed to come to any conclusion. Do we want to include them as ebooks, or do they not count as ebooks since they can only be viewed within the Kindle app or on an actual Kindle device? Would they be considered serials? They seem to be a bit outside the norm for what we accept here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:19, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Note: I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5764527 this submission] on hold pending the outcome of this discussion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The first [[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Kindle_Vella_ASINs|linked discussion]] petered out when we couldn't find a way to download Vella files. As I wrote at the time:<br />
::* With regular e-books that you purchase on Amazon, you go to "Manage Your Content and Devices", then "Digital Content", then "Books". When the desired book is displayed in the list, click "More Actions" on the right. In the pop-up list select "Download & transfer via USB" and click "Download". This will download the book as an azw3 file.<br />
::* When you follow the same steps for a Vella serial, you get to the last step, but the "Download" button is grayed out. Instead you get a "You do not have any compatible devices registered for this content. Buy a Kindle or get the free Kindle reading app." I haven't been able to find a way around it. Ahasuerus 16:49, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: You then responded with:<br />
::* That's probably due to Vella still being in beta. I haven't been able to figure out how to do it, either. I'll keep trying different ways. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:05, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Any luck since then? I haven't touched Vella, so I am out of the loop. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:28, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I haven't really tried since then. I don't like Vella myself. It's a pain to use and there's not enough there that interests me enough to make a concerted effort to try to figure it out. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small><br />
::::One of the books I recently added to the DB is also published on Kindle Vella. I tried in vain to find the the release dates for each chapter but gave it up as a wasted effort. If we can't get critical data like the publishing date, I'd say Out. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:02, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Yeah, Amazon has not made it easy to figure out anything regarding Vella works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:04, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::And I'd say Out as well, until the releases are collected into something which has identifying information and a release date. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:12, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted" ==<br />
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[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Moondust This Community Portal discussion] got me thinking. [[Template:TitleFields:WebPage]] starts with:<br />
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* '''Web Page''' - A field for the URL of a Web page related to this title. Examples of related Web pages include '''legally posted''' versions of the title's text [emphasis added]<br />
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Our goal when originally crafting this Help template was to make sure that we wouldn't become a hub for links to unauthorized copies of texts still under copyright protection. The Help language seemed self-explanatory at the time, but how can our editors tell whether a "version of the title's text" has been "legally posted"? For example, the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page] justifies the fact that they host copyrighted works without permission as follows:<br />
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: This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.”<br />
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As I pointed out on the Community Portal, that's an odd interpretation of the copyright law:<br />
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: The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.<br />
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: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. <br />
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This stuff can get confusing very quickly, so I think we need a set of unambiguous rules that editors and moderators could use when deciding whether to add/approve a link to a third party-hosted text.<br />
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In addition, the fact that we currently link both to the US-based Project Gutenberg and to [http://gutenberg.net.au/ Project Gutenberg Australia] -- which use different copyright rules and have different sets of texts available for download -- suggests that we interpret "legally posted" to mean "legally posted in the jurisdiction where the third party Web site is hosted". We may want to make it explicit in the template. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:49, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree that making it more clear in our documentation will be a good thing. I think we should generally avoid linking to full scans in cases where the item in question may not be in the public domain. This might mean removing some archive.org links as their track record of making sure things are in the public domain is questionable. On the other hand, they do act more like a library in that (generally) things that are not in the public domain can either be browsed on the site in a limited fashion or checked out for a specific amount of time for more lengthy review. Luminist does not do that. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:44, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Or how about not taking any links down unless a specific individual asks ISFDB to do that? Archive.org links over the last 3 years that I've added, several thousand by now probably, are mostly still working when I happen across them later on to update info but occasionally I'll click a link and there will be that message about the upload being taken down; could be lots of reasons and probably they do get complaints now and then from Harlan Ellison types who think they own everything but most (living) authors don't care with many glad to see their works available to such a wide audience because in many cases publishers have no interest in reprinting their books. Many (most, probably) copies on Archive.org are ex-library and often not in the best condition with people clearly donating them instead of tossing them in the trash because they know how hard many of the books are to find these days and they want people to be able to read them. I recently did some more MZB Sword and Sorceress edits after doing a lot of them long ago and noticed that 3 links to volumes in that series I added back then had been taken down so I removed those links since all 3 had one other copy also linked; they all had the kind of URL where it's obvious that someone uploaded the books themselves, not the typical Archive URL for books they digitized, so maybe somebody asked them to take their copies down. The issues of copyright around Marion Zimmer Bradley's works are notorious and can easily be read about online; one wishes her trustees cared less about protecting/profiting off her works and more about her (and her husband's) history re: children but that's another story. So that's my suggestion - let the Internet Archive handle requests to take certain books down, which they are clearly willing to do if someone asks them, and let ISFDB stay out of it and remain solely a research site. If anyone comes across a record with a link that's no longer working, just remove it. If you allow users of this site to decide what should be taken down you're going to create a huge mess with people taking down links to authors they don't like or links added by editors they don't like and I don't think anyone wants that. I'd still like the Moondust edit to be un-rejected if that's possible but if not at least people now know where to go if they want to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:25, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Let's first try to determine if there are areas that we all agree on. I can think of two scenarios that unambiguously fall under the "legally posted" clause of [[Template:TitleFields:WebPage]]:<br />
:::* Links to texts that have been made available by the copyright holder. ("Copyright holder" is important because in certain cases it may not be the same as the author.)<br />
:::* Links to texts that are out of copyright in the jurisdiction where the linked site is located. (The qualifier is important since copyright laws are different in different countries.) We could also add links either to our Wiki pages or to third party Web page explaining how to determine whether a given text is out of copyright in common jurisdictions.<br />
::: This leaves us with texts that are still under copyright in the jurisdiction where the linked Web site resides, but the site owner claims some kind of exemption, whether it "fair use", "libraries and archives" or something else. The problem here is that it's hard to tell if the claimed exemption is (a) really in compliance with the relevant laws and (b) whether the site owner accurately represents the site's position on copyright.<br />
::: Apparently the legality of ''linking'' to illegally posted copyrighted material has been an area of active litigation both in the US, where "contributory copyright infringement" is illegal (but the details are complicated -- see [https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/linking-copyrighted-materials this article for a high level overview]), and in Europe (see [https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=af0557cd-6f40-4509-bc8f-30538a14bf14 this discussion]).<br />
::: A recent example of how these things can go is Anna's Archive, i.e. annas-archive.org. When it appeared about a year ago, I poked around, found literally millions of copyrighted books and articles and immediately wondered whether it was legal. More digging discovered that they apparently had two lines of defense. First, they stated that:<br />
:::* We do not host any copyrighted materials here. We are a search engine, and as such only index metadata that is already publicly available. When downloading from these external sources, we would suggest to check the laws in your jurisdiction with respect to what is allowed. We are not responsible for content hosted by others.<br />
::: Second, they had a DMCA page which let copyright owners request that links be taken down.<br />
::: I wasn't sure whether it would be enough to make the site legal in most jurisdictions, but I am not an expert.<br />
::: Fast forward to January 2024 and we have [https://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-news/annas-archive-blocked-following-publishers-protest-over-piracy-accusations this 2024-01-08 report]:<br />
:::* On December 4, 2023, the Italian Publishers Association (AIE) filed a copyright complaint against Anna’s Archive. [snip] AIE’s complaint cites over 30 books, emphasizing that this is just a glimpse of the content distributed by Anna’s Archive to which its members hold rights. [snip]<br />
:::* With no counterclaims from the contacted parties and clear evidence of mass infringement, an order was issued to Italian ISPs to disable https://annas-archive.org through a DNS block within 48 hours. Visitors to the site are now met with a blocking page in Italian.<br />
::: Granted, we don't position ourselves as a "search engine for ''shadow libraries''" the way Anna's Archive does, so we are in a somewhat different position. However, if we end up with hundreds or thousands of links to Web pages whose legality we can't easily determine, we may find ourselves in a legally questionable situation. It may be safer to simply stay away from sites of that nature. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:13, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: There is a very big difference between hosting content and linking to someone else's hosted content. It is unreasonable to expect our editors and moderators to be expert enough to evaluate sites' legal claims. I think our policy should be something like: "Only links to content legally posted in the host site's jurisdiction are permitted, but the ISFDB is not qualified to make legality assessments. If ISFDB becomes aware of legal action resulting in the suspension or prohibition of a site's display of certain content, links to that site's posting of the content will be removed until the matter is resolved, or permanently, according to the circumstances." And then provide a mechanism to notify the ISFDB of host site legal issues/legal challenges to a site's posting(s). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:51, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::There are currently a large number of edits in the queue adding links. Should these be held/skipped pending the results of this discussion? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:36, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: It looks like the consensus is that archive.org links are OK to add. By default, archive.org only lets you access copyrighted books' metadata, cover images and the first few pages of the text, which is similar to what Amazon's Look Inside does. You have to join their [https://help.archive.org/help/borrowing-from-the-lending-library/ "Lending Library" program] in order to be able to "check out" books. The legality of the LL program is currently [https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/11/23868870/internet-archive-hachette-open-library-copyright-lawsuit-appeal under review by the courts] and the last brief that I know of was [https://www.eff.org/cases/hachette-v-internet-archive filed on 2023-12-15]. As long as archive.org remains a legitimate organization and complies with relevant court orders, linking to its Web pages shouldn't be an issue for us. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:15, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::One other thing we could do is maintain a list of sites to which ISFDB has chosen to prohibit any content links (sort of a complement to the deep-linking-permitted list) due to concerns with the site's general compliance with applicable copyright laws. That should be clear for everyone, and the software could help enforce it. ISFDB is under no obligation to permit links, so legal precision is not necessary. There could be some transparent process for managing entries on the list (e.g., an R&S discussion with a definitive conclusion required). We could have some general guidelines for what does or does not merit being on the list. For example, we might decide that sites engaged in good-faith copyright protection and infringement dispute resolution -- e.g., such as Google Books, Internet Archive, and Project Gutenberg -- are not candidates despite any specific infringement complaints, while sites subject to multiple complaints and not obviously engaged in protection management and infringement dispute resolution -- e.g., such as the Anna's Archive example above -- are candidates. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:09, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::::I agree. Anna's Archive (and the once-popular site Ocean of PDF and all the others, many probably run by the same people under different names) pretends to be aboveboard but they're really just a dumping ground for pirated e-books and their download page is a list of shady sites, users being encouraged to become members if they want faster downloads, including the infamous LibGen that encourage bulk torrent downloads that are certainly not being used just for some light reading. Any site that has individual pages for each work, Archive.org, Luminist, Galactic Journey, etc. should be acceptable. Any site which mentions bulk or torrent or anything similar is a no-no. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::::Speaking of which, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_webpage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=oceanofpdf&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], I did a search for webpages with oceanofpdf and those 2 links were added by Zapp in 2023. I think they should be removed and, if you do decide to make a blacklist, Ocean of PDF should be on it, not only because of pirating but because it's virus city and you don't want anyone clicking on a link and screwing up their computer. There's no viruses on Archive.org or any of the other legit sites mentioned above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:35, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::::: The topic is expressly the Web Page field, but does all of this apply to recording the site or document in a Note field? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:40, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: I don't think different displayed fields -- Notes, Web Pages, etc -- should be treated differently for the purposes of this discussion if they link to the same third party Web sites. Notes are somewhat harder to control in the software, but that's a technical issue as opposed to a legal/policy one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:16, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== A blacklist/whitelist-based solution ===<br />
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After mulling it over, I think a "blacklist"-based solution would be viable or at least a good first step. It would require three components:<br />
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* A couple of new Bureaucrat menu options to add, edit and delete blacklisted domain names like annas-archive.org, oceanofpdf.com, etc<br />
* A new yellow warning to be displayed when a submission tries to link to one of the blacklisted sites<br />
* A new nightly cleanup report to find links to blacklisted sites, which will automatically flag records once a domain is added to the blacklist<br />
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A similar whitelist of "known legitimate sites" like Project Gutenberg, Google Books, archive.org, etc would also be useful. If we implement it, we should be able to create another yellow warnings for links to domains that are not on the whitelist and may require additional digging.<br />
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Re: viruses, you are much more likely to run into them when accessing well-known illegitimate Web domains, but, unfortunately, there are no guarantees on the internet. When authors (or other people/organizations) stop paying for domain names, they become up for grabs. At that point it's anyone's guess whether they may end up in the hands of spammers, criminals, etc. Swapping this information with SFE and deleting bad links is part of what I do in the background. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:30, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I like the idea of creating a blacklist and a whitelist. I think both should require some sort of documentation supporting the addition to either list, even if that documentation is only visible to bureaucrats or admins (so that they have some sort of reference as to why a specific domain was added to one or the other). It may be good to have a "last reviewed" field, too, so we can somehow indicate when a site's inclusion on one or the other list was last reviewed (since, as you said, domain names can be picked up by someone else if the original/most recent owner chooses to not renew the domain). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I can see how a "Note" field would be a useful addition to the proposed table of blacklisted sites. Its contents could be made available to moderators reviewing the proposed cleanup report. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created {{FR|1590}}, "Create a blacklist of disallowed third party domain names". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:38, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Clarifying editor data entry rules in Help ==<br />
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Earlier today an ISFDB editor pointed out that [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] does not explicitly tell you what to put in the "Author" field for MAGAZINE publications. [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]], which is transcluded in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]], says: <br />
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* If it is an ANTHOLOGY, multi-author OMNIBUS, or multi-author work of NONFICTION, credit the editor as the "author" of the publication.<br />
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but doesn't mention MAGAZINEs or FANZINEs. I am thinking that we should add something like:<br />
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* For MAGAZINEs and FANZINEs, credit the issue editor as the "author" of the publication. Note that for non-genre MAGAZINEs/FANZINEs, "Editors of PERIODICAL NAME" may be used instead of some or all editor names if they are unknown or unclear or not of genre interest -- see [[Help:Entering non-genre periodicals]] for details.<br />
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How does it sound? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:10, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Sounds right to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:39, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:39, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, it does fill out a very minor hole in the rules, but it will actually be helpful in some cases. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:59, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Clarifying editor data entry rules in Help ===<br />
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[[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] has been updated with the proposed language. Thanks, folks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:49, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Currency codes ==<br />
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Recently I uploaded records for an Estonian book from the Soviet Union, which cost SUR 1.40. Soviet rubles SUR were in use from 1961–1991, Russian rubles RUR were in use from 1992-1997, and now the new Russian Ruble RUB is in use since RUR was devalued to RUB at a rate of 1000 to 1.<br />
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Similarly I uploaded a Bulgarian book whose cover price said "2 лв" meaning 2 levs. But there is no single Bulgarian currency. BGJ was used 1881-1952, BGK from 1952–1962, BGL from 1962-1999, and BGN is used now since 1991.<br />
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The thing is, a currency is NOT a currency just because it has the same name. The US, Canadian, and Australian dollars are not all just dollars just because they use the word "dollar" or the dollar sign "$". Estonia na SUR, then EEK, now EUR. In that case, the names changed too (ruble > kroon > euro). In Bulgaria the word "lev" applies to BGJ and BGK and BGL and BGN, but despite the name they ''aren't'' the same currency and if our database doesn't have the correct currency for a publication then the currency field is essentially worthless apart from USD and CAD and so on. <br />
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ISFDB isn't a pricing database, but its information really must be accurate. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217 ISO 4217] for currency codes.<br />
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I cannot find an actual link to an actual list of Rules and Standard, but I entered BGL when I uploaded the book and one of the admins changed it to BGN, which is simply not correct. If Bulgaria were to give up the lev and take up the euro, would we change all the BGNs to EUR? No; so we should not change BGL to BGN. [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 11:19, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Do you have a link to the publication that was changed? Also, you can find a list of currently-supported currencies at [[Help:List of currency symbols]]. Yopu're welcome to propose additions to the list, too, if there are some we should have but which aren't on that list. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:39, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?988614 Here is it]. And the change and explanation about why was shared on the Editor's page together with the links to the help page. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: This topic has come up a number of times. The longest Rules and Standards discussions were in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Currency_information_in_prices.2C_reprise July 2013] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive15#Prices_and_weird_currencies_-_reading_verification_needed... June-July 2017]. Here is what I wrote about the challenges associated with using ISO codes instead of currency symbols in 2017:<br />
:::* ... the ISO standard assigns a new code when a currency is revalued, so the code for the Mexican peso changed from "MXP" to "MXN" when the peso was replaced with the "new peso" ("nuevo peso") in 1993. In 1997 the word "nuevo" was dropped, so it's now back to just "peso". However, the ISO code has remained "MXN". If we were to use ISO codes, what should an editor do when entering an undated Mexican books whose price is listed as "100 peso"? Depending on whether it was published prior to 1993 or after 1996, the correct ISO code should be either MXP or MXN, something that most of us couldn't determine without a fair amount of digging.<br />
:::* To go back to the Russian example, the ISO code for the Soviet ruble was "SUR". When the USSR was dissolved at the end of 1991, the code was retired. It was replaced with "RUR" (later "RUB" as per the discussion above) for the Russian ruble and "BYB" for the Belarusian ruble. The latter was replaced with "BYR" in 2000 and then with "BYN" in 2016.<br />
::: For a bibliographic database like ISFDB to keep track of these changes over many decades and even centuries would be very time-consuming and not the best way to spend editor time.<br />
::: One possible "low-hanging fruit" enhancement would be to update the mouse-over bubbles that we display for prices. They currently say things like "Lev: Bulgarian lev". We could update them to say things like "Lev: Bulgarian lev. ISO codes: BGJ in 1881-1952, BGK in 1952–1962, BGL in 1962-1999, BGN since 1991". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:40, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Appendices ==<br />
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The other day [[User:Elysdir]] added the following paragraph to [[Template:TitleFields:Title]]:<br />
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* ''Appendices''. If the page where the work begins includes a phrase like "Appendix A", then include that phrase in the work's title. For example: "Appendix B: Ashima Slade and the Harbin-Y Lectures: Some Informal Remarks Toward the Modular Calculus, Part Two".<br />
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I am moving the proposed language to the Rules and Standards page to see what other editors think of it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:02, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for moving this here! I should note that before I made that change, I did a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=Appendix&type=All+Titles title search on “Appendix”] and found that a large majority of the appendix titles in ISFDB (in cases where there’s more than one appendix) use the format that I mentioned. (The advanced-search version of that search shows all 900+ titles.) There are only three titles in those search results that use the format “(Appendix A) Title”, and hundreds that use the format “Appendix A: Title” (or “Appendix 1: Title” or “Appendix I: Title” or “Appendix One: Title” or etc). So my writeup was an attempt to document what I was (incorrectly) assuming was an existing policy, rather than an attempt to make new policy. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 14:46, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I prefer the use of a colon as it is better at indicating the wording is part of the title. When I see parentheses, my brain interprets it as something not part of the title but used to clarify or disambiguate. So, I support this proposed wording. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:06, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: Yeah, I prefer using : as well - and we do use that for subtitles elsewhere so it also makes sense. And Appendices with no other title should be followed by the title of the work in brackets (we may as well throw that to complete the rule although it derives from the standard naming of essays). So "Appendix B: The making of a world" if the title is there and "Appendix B (Book title) if it just say "Appendix B". That will also make it easier to determine when there was a printed title. The corner case is when the title is printed in brackets on the page itself (which the Appendix B part is not... not sure if we want a : there or to ignore the brackets or what we want to do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:50, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Just to make sure we are on the same page: when you wrote "brackets", did you mean "[]" (aka "square brackets") or "()" (aka "parentheses")? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:52, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::: Sigh. Parentheses - I meant parentheses :) I usually use square brackets for [] to make sure it is clear which ones I mean and I do not always remember that () have their own word. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:55, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) A couple of questions/clarifications.<br />
* The proposed language is ''a phrase like "Appendix A"''. Would this be limited to the word "Appendix" or would it also cover alternative terms like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=starts_with&TERM_1=Addendum&C=AND&USE_2=title_ttype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=ESSAY&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title "Addendum] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=starts_with&TERM_1=appendices&C=AND&USE_2=title_ttype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=ESSAY&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title Appendices]? Some currently use parentheses, some use colons and some say things like "Addendum to Whirligig World". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Others may well have better answers, but I thought I might as well comment here: although I didn’t say this in my proposed language, I was focused specifically on the case where the appendices have individual subtitles as well as the general title of “Appendix A”. (So my language should be updated to say that; see below.) I was assuming that when a title consists entirely of a standard book-section name, it should follow the disambiguation rule at the end of that page, in the “"Standard" titles” paragraph: “you should parenthetically append the container title (title of the novel, collection, anthology, etc) to the title of the essay, i.e. "<generic essay title> (<container title>)" in order to create a unique title”. So for cases where there’s an addendum that’s just titled “Addendum”, I would use the format “Addendum (<container title>)”, which is also what the majority of those existing cases that you linked to already use. In the rare case where addenda also have their own individual subtitles, I would use the colon format, as demonstrated by the existing item “Addendum 1: Description of Maps”. And I would expect that the title “Appendices” by itself would also be covered by the “"Standard" titles” rule: “Appendices (A Magic of Twilight)”.<br />
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:: So maybe another way to approach this appendix-title guidance would be to reframe it as a sub-guideline of the “"Standard" titles” guidance. At the end of the page, after the “"Standard" titles” paragraph, we could say something like this (phrasing could use some further polishing):<br />
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:: ''Standard titles with specific subtitles''. If the title consists entirely of a standard title, then use the standard titles guidance above. (Examples: “Appendices (A Magic of Twilight)”; “Appendix B (A Galaxy Unknown)”; “Introduction (50 in 50)”.) But if the title starts with a label for a standard section of a book (such as “Appendix” or “Addendum”) and then is followed by an individual subtitle for that specific section, then put a colon between the book-section name and the individual title. (Examples: “Appendix: Chronology of Technic Civilization”; “Appendix B: Closures and Openings”; “Introduction: 37 Divided by 3”.)<br />
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:: …Note that that framing does introduce a difference from how some existing ISFDB titles currently do things: it removes the quotation marks around the individual subtitle. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 20:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Perhaps I am not grasping some subtleties, but wouldn't the proposed approach be the same as what the ''Subtitles'' section of [[Template:TitleFields:Title]] currently says:<br />
:::* If the title has a subtitle, enter it, with a colon and a space used to separate the title from the subtitle. For example, the 1986 edition of George MacDonald's "Lilith" has "Lilith" on the title page, and below that, in a smaller font, "A Romance". This should be entered as "Lilith: A Romance".<br />
::: ? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:47, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I think it’s essentially the same guidance, yes, but applied in a different case. The subtitles guidance reads to me as being about the title and subtitle of a book, as opposed to a section. If instead of adding a new section, you would prefer to clarify the ''Subtitles'' section to say that it also applies to things like an appendix or an addendum, that would be fine with me. …My goal in all of this is to clarify to editors how they should format the titles and subtitles of appendices; I’m fine with any approach y’all want to take. (…And I apologize if I’m overstepping by participating in this discussion at all—if I should step back and just leave it to you folks to decide, let me know.) —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 15:47, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Oh, no, everyone is welcome to contribute to Rules and Standards discussions! Sometimes an outside perspective reveals that Help is unclear or that it doesn't account for a certain category of cases.<br />
::::: The current discussion is a good example. The first three paragraphs of [[Template:TitleFields:Title]], as currently written, are in the following order:<br />
:::::* Novels<br />
:::::* Subtitles<br />
:::::* Short fiction, essays and poems<br />
::::: The way they are ordered, it's possible to assume that the "Subtitles" paragraph only applies to novels, especially since the next 2 paragraphs (SERIALs and excerpts) have special rules for subtitles and disambiguators. However, I believe the intent was to apply the "Subtitles" rule to all other title types (that do not have explicitly stated exceptions) as well.<br />
::::: If my understanding is correct, then we may be able to eliminate this ambiguity by moving the "Subtitles" paragraph below the "Short fiction, essays and poems" paragraph. We should probably also move "Omnibuses, nonfiction, anthologies and collections", which is currently the 6th paragraph in this template, right below the "Novels" paragraph. That way the order would be:<br />
:::::* Novels<br />
:::::* Omnibuses, nonfiction, anthologies and collections<br />
:::::* Short fiction, essays and poems<br />
:::::* Subtitles<br />
:::::* SERIALs<br />
:::::* Excerpts<br />
:::::* Artwork<br />
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::::: The 4 paragraphs preceding the "Subtitles" paragraph would all use the same subtitle rule while the paragraphs following the "Subtitles" paragraphs would have special rules. We could also make it explicit in the language of the "Subtitles" paragraph. Would this work from your perspective? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:07, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I like this idea. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:35, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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* Some languages -- notably French -- use a space between a word and a trailing colon. We generally follow language-specific rules for non-English titles, so is it safe to assume that we would be using " :" as opposed to ":" for French titles? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Huh, interesting, I didn’t know that about French. Given that difference, I would expect that yes, we would use " : " instead of ": " in French titles. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 20:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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Hearing no objection, I have re-ordered the first 4 paragraphs in [[Template:TitleFields:Title]] based on the order proposed above. One sentence was split into two for readability. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:47, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Secondary source artist credit in face of credit change over time ==<br />
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For full background, see [[User_talk:MartyD#Dixie_Ray]]. Different editions of a Ballantine ''Fahrenheit 451'' use the same cover art but credit the artist differently. This is what we know:<br />
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! ISBN !! Printing !! Date !! Artist credit<br />
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| 0-345-25027-3[-150] || 40th || 1975-12-00 || no credit at all<br />
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| 0-345-25027-3[-150] || 43rd || 1976-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 44th || 1977-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 45th || 1977-11-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 46th || 1978-08-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
|}<br />
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The later "Whistl'n" is canonical. The rules do not permit us to assign "uncredited" to the 40th's cover, but they do permit us to assign an identity using the later editions' credits as a secondary source. Which later edition's credit should we use here, the non-canonical "Whistlin'" or the canonical "Whistl'n"? Likely the 41st and 42nd printings will have either no credit or "Whistlin'". I'd really like to use "uncredited" to give a complete picture of the credit's evolution. It would be a little odd to have one or more earlier editions have the canonical credit, then have some later ones with a non-canonical credit, then even later ones "revert" to canonical (when in fact they progressed to canonical). For now I have gone with canonical, but I thought I'd raise the question to see if we should standardize on something else for this scenario.<br />
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Two further hypotheticals to consider: Suppose we only had the 40th (uncredited) and then entered the 43rd ("Whistlin'") and so went back and adjusted the 40th to use that. Now the 45th ("Whistl'n") gets entered, and its credit is determined to be the canonical form. What would we want done with the 40th's (now) non-canonical credit at that point? Likewise, suppose we had the 40th, then entered the 45th ("Whistl'n") and went back and adjusted the 40th to use that. Now the 43rd gets entered. What would we want done with the 40th's credit at that point? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:12, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Re: "I'd really like to use "uncredited" to give a complete picture of the credit's evolution."<br />
: As per [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] here is how I think we currently credit cover artists depending on what is in the publication:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
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! What is stated in the pub || What we enter in the "Artist" field<br />
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| Canonical name || Canonical name<br />
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| Alternate name || Alternate name (VT created)<br />
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| Initials || Canonical name if known<br />
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| Artist-specific symbol (sometimes a stylized version of the artist's initials) || Canonical name if known<br />
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| Signature, often illegible || Canonical name if known<br />
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| No explicit credit, but the artist's style is recognizable || The "Artist" field is left blank; Notes updated with the name of the artist and reason for attribution<br />
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| No explicit credit, but a secondary source credits the artist || Canonical name; Notes updated with the source<br />
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| No explicit credit, but the credit is implied, e.g. a small illustration may be reproduced as a credited INTERIORART work || Can be arguably considered a "secondary bibliographic source" for our purposes and treated as such, i.e. enter the canonical name in the "Artist" field and update Notes with the source<br />
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: This is a tricky decision tree diagram, which, admittedly, makes it hard to "give a complete picture of the credit's evolution". I think the underlying issue here is that it would be difficult to enter artist credits the way we enter author credits, i.e. "as stated in the pub". The main reason is that signatures, symbols and barely legible stylized initials are not something that can be easily captured as text.<br />
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: That being said, I think it would be beneficial to restructure [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] as a series of bullets to make it easier for new editors to parse. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:33, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::I understand the current rules call for canonical when the credit is taken from a secondary source, and that is what I did. It seems wrong to me in this case, however. For argument's sake, let's assume there is also no credit in the 41st printing and the credit in the 42nd is the alternate "Whistlin'". If all printings were recorded at the same time, we would have none/canonical -> none/canonical -> alternate -> alternate -> canonical -> canonical. If instead we entered them over time we would start with none -> none, then on discovering the "Whistlin'" we might change those to: non/canonical(1) -> none/canonical(1) -> canonical(1), with the first two citing the third as secondary source. Two printings later, we would discover "Whistl'n" and realize it should be canonical, so we'd VT the existing TITLE records and end up with: none/alternate -> none/alternate -> alternate -> alternate -> canonical(2). Someone would have to know to review all previous credits to see if they came from the publication or used the source of the now-alternate credit and in the latter case change them to the (new) canonical to match what would happen if we entered them all at the same time. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:05, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: I think we have somewhat of a grandfathered problem here. Our rules had been pretty straightforward for a long time - secondary credits of art use the canonical name. In our digital era, I'd argue that a scan that is proved to be of a certain printing should be considered primary source for this determination (and I think we had been applying it that way). However, as a practice we had often made an exception for this rule for later (and earlier) printings and even different formats altogether (audio/ebooks/paper had gotten credits based on the other formats) - we had often imported straight from the one we do know the credit for even if it is not using the canonical name because it is (usually) a good guess that most of these will match. Thus the conundrum now for the few credits where they do not match. <br />
::: We have two paths: enforce the rule as written OR come up with a language that allows us a bit of creativity: <i>"You can use the credit as found in a later or earlier printing if data for the current printing is not available, with a mandatory note on the exact source of the name used. That includes the usage of uncredited. The same applies for other formats sharing a cover (i.e. audiobooks which have only a cover and the artist may or may not be credited on it). Using the canonical name is always allowed in the cases of unknown credit (due to lack of source information or only secondary sources information) - with an appropriate note."</i>. Feel free to rewrite/change/argue. And if we are changing the rule, can we please make it more forceably requiring a note on the decision if you are not grabbing the name straight from the book - otherwise it is a nightmare to change a canonical name for example - I am sure we had created a lot of mistakes in the DB in the process of changing canonical names of artists simply by not knowing when a credit is a direct one and when a canonical is being used. <br />
::: I am leaning towards the second option - mainly because it is somewhat of a practice anyway (in the multi-formats) and it kinda covers this case here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:10, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Clarifying [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] ===<br />
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Going back to the issue of clarifying (as opposed to changing) what's currently stated in [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]], earlier this week an editor asked me if we could update the template language with what I wrote above to make the instructions more clear. Here is the proposed new language to be used when deciding what to enter in the "Artist" field:<br />
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* If the artist's canonical name is stated in the publication, enter it<br />
* If the artist's alternate name is states in the publication, enter it and make sure to create a Variant Title later<br />
* If the cover has the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has an artist-specific symbol, e.g. a stylized version of the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has a recognizable signature, enter the canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but a secondary source credits the artist, enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the credit is implied, e.g. a small section is reproduced as a credited INTERIORART work, treat it as a "secondary bibliographic source" scenario described above: enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
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Does this look right? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:01, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Looks good to me, though I'd put the two "e.g." parts in parentheses. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:56, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I agree on the parentheses. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Spot-checking [[Help:Screen:NewNovel]], I see that we use "e.g." inconsistently. In roughly one third of all cases we use parentheses while in the other two thirds we do not. Different grammar guides give contradictory advice. [https://apastyle.apa.org/style-grammar-guidelines/abbreviations/latin AP Style] requires the use of parentheses and a trailing comma, but ''Fowler's Modern English Usage'' does not. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:45, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I find it a lot more readable when the parentheses are there. It also simplifies the reading of the sentence for non-native speakers and we have quite a lot of them - the clearer we state things and the easier we make it for someone whose English may be shaky, the better IMO. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I would also move "If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution" to the bottom of the list and change it to " If the publication has no explicit artist credit and no secondary or implied credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution.". Otherwise it contradicts the next 2 rules in case of a recognizable artist and secondary credit for example. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: That's a very good point. Here is the updated proposed order:<br />
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* If the artist's canonical name is stated in the publication, enter it<br />
* If the artist's alternate name is stated in the publication, enter it and make sure to create a Variant Title later<br />
* If the cover has the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has an artist-specific symbol, e.g. a stylized version of the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has a recognizable signature, enter the canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but a secondary source credits the artist, enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the credit is implied, e.g. a small section is reproduced as a credited INTERIORART work, treat it as a "secondary bibliographic source" scenario described above: enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit and no secondary or implied credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution<br />
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::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:51, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::The "secondary sources" bullet does not quite match current practice. If an earlier printing has no credit and a later printing with identical artwork has a credit, we use the later credit's form as the implied/secondary credit on the earlier printings (and, in fact, we merge the records). It would not surprise me if in other secondary-source scenarios our de facto practice is close to what we do for reviews and interviews: If the name provided is something for which we already have a record, that is used, otherwise the canonical is used. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:47, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::: I think that you are right and the current de-facto practice is just to import the cover/art as is from the later/earlier printing/edition, even if a pseudonym is used - despite the clear rule saying to use the canonical in such cases... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:13, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: I see. In that case, how about we insert a new bullet after the "alternate name" bullet and before the "artist's initials" bullet? Something like:<br />
:::::::* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but another printing of the same book credits the artist, import the COVERART title from the printing with the artist credit, adjust the COVERART title's date to reflect its earliest known appearance and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
::::::: We may need to further clarify this rule to account for the following class of scenarios:<br />
:::::::* some printings do not to credit the artist<br />
:::::::* (optionally) some printings credit the canonical name<br />
:::::::* some printings credit one or more alternate names<br />
::::::: I assume it's uncommon, but better safe than sorry. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:59, 3 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: That seems to cover it. As a practical matter, I did run across the case of earlier editions with no credit, intermediate editions with one-form name credit, later editions with other-form name credit (all same artwork and publisher). Our current practice is "choose canonical", so I think if any of the conflicting possibilities includes canonical, we would import that one. I don't know what we do for multiple alternates only; I suppose current-practice recommendation would be to find and import the canonical, rather than any of the alternates. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:50, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't know if this is theoretical or practical, but what is current practice if artwork is only ever published under a pseudonym but that artist has a canonical identity under which other works are published? E.g., imagine "Ima Writer" who is a prolific SF novelist but dabbles in SF artwork as "Ima Painter", and we have Ima Painter as an alternate name for Ima Writer. If we came across uncredited artwork identified via secondary source as by Ima Painter, would we record it that way (and make a variant), rather than recording it as by Ima Writer? I DO NOT MEAN TO DISCUSS HOW THIS SHOULD BE TREATED. :) I am only asking what is current practice for purposes of the wording of the proposed bullet.. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:57, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: I'd go with the canonical in this case usually - but I can remember probably one or two cases I had seen like that (all of them while I was untangling the languages when we added the field all these years ago). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:13, 1 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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In the light of recent discussions I think it would be helpful if, at <i>the top of each screen,</i>, there could be four lines (one for each of the other four screens) which includes a link to same. At present, 3 of the screens have a link to the "How to..." page but it's right at the end. The "How to..." page has references and links to the PublicationFields template (twice) and the NewPub page. Admittedly 3 of the pages contain identical wording, but knowing of the existence of them <i>all</i>, whichever page one first lands on is what I'm addressing. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:21, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It might be good to combine all of the information from each of those pages and create one page that can be transcluded to all of those locations. That way, the information on all of them will be identical, and any changes to the one location for the information will be propagated to all of them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:58, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think that's an excellent idea Joe. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:45, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Does inclusion in the Hugo Award Voter Packet count as a publication? ==<br />
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Apologies if this is an old topic, although I think this particular case might be a new spin on it.<br />
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There are (at least) 2 Chinese stories in the Hugo Voter Packet that have English translations provided. They are in PDF and/or EPUB formats. The original Chinese stories and their publications were added to the database when the Hugo finalists were announced, so these translations would be alternate titles to existing records. (Exception: some of them are stories for the Astounding Award for Best New Writer finalists, which I didn't add anything for at the time, because it seemed too hard/nebulous.)<br />
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At least one of those translations is scheduled to be an anthology due out later this year, and another I'm 99% certain will appear in Galaxy's Edge magazine at some point, so it's not as if (some of) these translations will never get recorded in the database. <br />
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After reading [[ISFDB:Policy#Included]], I'm still unsure as to their eligibility for inclusion here. Maybe they fall under ''"Convention programs, guides, etc. We definitely want any convention-published "real books", but probably not the ephemera."'', but as that note is marked as "Debatable", it's not exactly helpful...<br />
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Thanks. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I had a [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15#A confused record|discussion]] (beginning with the first response) with [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] last year about this. We were both leaning towards adding the Hugo packet as a publication. I had (and continue to have) other priorities that I'd rather work on. However, I would still support the Hugo packet as a single OMNIBUS publication published by the Worldcon for the year. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:03, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: If my understanding is correct, "Hugo Voter Packets" are sent to all World Science Fiction Society (WSFS) members -- see [https://www.thehugoawards.org/category/voter-packet/ https://www.thehugoawards.org/category/voter-packet/] and [https://en.chengduworldcon.com/help/1 en.chengduworldcon.com/help/1]. Anyone can become a WSFS member (and therefore a Hugo/Lodestar/Astounding voter) by paying $50 per year.<br />
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:: For most practical purposes this system is similar to book clubs, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_press_association APAs] and other organizations which limit circulation to their members. Since we include book club editions, fanzines, etc, it seems to make sense to include these "Hugo Voter Packets". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:55, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Just for the record - I still think it should be eligible as an e-book omnibus. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:32, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks all, I'll try to make a start on this year's some time soon.<br />
:::: One follow up question: for stuff like custom submissions that contain multiple stories or essays, I think it's better to group those as new OMNIBUS, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY or NONFICTION titles, which then get pulled into the OMNIBUS, rather than just have all the individual SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, etc imported directly into the OMNIBUS.<br />
:::: e.g. this year's Best Editor (Short Form) for Sheree Renee Thomas comprises 14 PDFs, which are an issue of F&SF, a full anthology, and 12 individual stories and essays extracted from F&SF and a couple of anthologies. Rather than import those directly into the "Hugo Voter Packet" OMNIBUS publication, I propose to have a "Sheree Renee Thomas Hugo Award 2023 Voter Packet Submission" OMNIBUS containing those, which is then imported into the top level OMNIBUS. This (IMHO) keeps things more consistent and tidy with for example, the Neil Clarke submission, which is a single PDF anthology of 13 stories and an essay. Objections/thoughts? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:29, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'll defer to the software experts, but I'm pretty sure that an OMNIBUS cannot contain another OMBNIBUS. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:45, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Not under the current rules, no... And I really would prefer not to change this -- we had a discussion around that when someone was adding the Baen disks - creating artificial containers that had never existed is going to look ordered on the surface but will be a pain for an end user - aka - in order to get the complete list for the packet, they will need to open multiple non-existing publications (as you will need a publication for these internal omnibuses if you want to import in them). So I'd just import all stories/articles/whatever into the single omnibus and use Notes to explain what is what (and use the numbering to keep the separate pieces next to each other). If the concern is where the award/nomination gets assigned - this is not different from when a set of books are nominated - just add it to each of the title records - for the example - she did not get nominated for an omnibus containing these works, she was nominated because of all the separate works... Although technically speaking, as it is a nomination for her and not the works, these should not get the nomination added to them anyway - but if there is something where that applies, the logic is the same. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:51, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Ah, no problem, I'll just chuck everything in the "top-level" omnibus.<br />
::::::: The thought of adding the award nomination to those hypothetical "fake" title records didn't actually occur to me ;-) I agree that awards to people rather than titles should be done as untitled awards. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:01, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: If you look at the thread Ron linked above, I was wondering at the time between an overall omnibus and a series/pub series for the different pieces -- mainly due to the fact that parts of it are distributed separately. But it is a special case and a single omnibus makes more sense I think -- and makes it easier to see what is inside (plus as with all other omnibuses containing other containers (collections/anthologies), you will ultimately want to add ALL contents pieces in the top level anyway for visibility - aka for people who want to see where the story can be found - as we do not have "indirect" lists so having the fake middle ones will be mostly so you can have visual separation more than anything...). Plus if we ever change our mind, we can always create the smaller containers. Does not change the fact that we want all visible in the big omnibus anyway - which means importing all in it as well...<br />
:::::::: As for the awards note - yeah I realized it as soon as I typed it but then there may be other pieces in there for which that applies so I left it and added the last note). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:21, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Interior art - do we use artwork captions in the titling? ==<br />
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That's one of the questions arising from this discussion about the artwork in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Weir_-_Project_Hail_Mary Project Hail Mary]. Clarification of the rules would be much appreciated. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:34, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:My opinion: The spirit of artwork record titling is that, except when published as a "standalone" piece of art, artwork is subordinate to the work or publication with which it is associated. Artwork record titles generally reflect that subordination. Here is what I think is de facto practice:<br />
:*COVERART titles should always be the same as that of the publication. (In fact, I think this is the one place we do not add disambiguation for the case of two different works of art by the same artist for different publications/editions with the same title.)<br />
:*INTERIORART titles in a publication of, or about, artwork should record the "natural" labeling used in the publication. If works are identified by title or caption, that text should be used. If works are identified by use case, then either the canonical title with " (use case)" appended or a descriptive title should be used. For example, if a plate in publication XYZ is publication ABC's cover, title XYZ's INTERIORART record "ABC (cover)". If a COVERART record for ABC's cover is present, XYZ's INTERIORART record should be made a variant of that.<br />
:*All other INTERIORART titles should usually be the same as that of the illustrated work, or of the containing publication if not illustrating a specific work. However, each of a publication's INTERIORART titles should be unique within the publication's contents. Where the use-the-publication-or-work's-title scheme would result in the publication's having multiple INTERIORART content records with the same title text, the titles should be disambiguated. Different disambiguation techniques are employed, depending on use case and information available.<br />
:**If the same artist is responsible for multiple works of art that are being recorded separately, the title text for each must be made unique.<br />
:***If the works have titles or captions, those may be used.<br />
:***If the works have different use cases, append " (use case)" to one or more of the otherwise ambiguous records. E.g. "ABC (map)".<br />
:***If no better differentiator is available, append " [number]" to each of the otherwise ambiguous records. E.g., "ABC [1]", "ABC [2]",...<br />
:**If different artists are responsible for different pieces of art, the normal titling scheme is followed, with each INTERIORART record having the same title text but different Artist credits. Note that "use case" disambiguation may also be employed in this case. E.g., "ABC (maps)" by artist 1 and "ABC (illustrations)" by artist 2. If differing artist credit alone is not sufficient to produce uniquely identifiable records, then one of the disambiguation schemes should be applied first to produce the title text, then the appropriate artist credit should be assigned. E.g., "ABC [1]" by artist 1, "ABC [2]" by artist 2, "ABC [3]" by artist 1.<br />
:As I said, that is my opinion. I would also note that ISFDB's view of artwork has changed over the years. We used to treat artwork as much more of an afterthought/second-class data citizen than we do today. So, for example, you will see disambiguated-by-number records entered long ago where today we would use some more readily identifiable form of disambiguation. Or older single publication-wide records where today we would tend to use multiple records to document each of the individual works. Some of the help text may not be fully in tune with the times. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:20, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::re "I think this is the one place we do not add disambiguation for the case of two different works of art by the same artist for different publications/editions with the same title": Cover art is not a special case. We only disambiguate artwork titles within the same publication, not across publications. I agree with you on the remainder. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:20, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If I read Marty's reply correctly, what it boils down to is that for the art's title, the illustrated work's title is used with all the disambiguation cases etc, as explained above (and except for the bullet point 'If the works have titles or captions, those may be used [to make them unique]' - which I don't read in the current rules btw).<br />
::: My interpretation of the rules is exactly that, ie. the title of INTERIORART is the same as the title of the work it illustrates - even though there are several examples currently in the DB where the actual INTERIORART title or caption are used as title, instead of the title of the work the art illustrates. The issue that I'm having with the current rules is that they are not very clear in explaining what title to use, hence should be rewritten to make them unambiguous - because right now, the rules do not clarify what do to in case there's artwork that has a proper title of its own. - cfr. the discussion [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Weir_-_Project_Hail_Mary here]. I have two proposals to make the rules clearer:<br />
:::: * INTERIORART always get the title of the work it's illustrating. If the work does not illustrate any particular work, use the title of the publication the art appears in, or<br />
:::: * If INTERIORART has its own title or caption, use that title or caption. Else, use the publication's title instead<br />
:::: (+ the disambiguation cases laid out by Marty above, of course). Thoughts? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:03, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As has been noted by others, if the interior art has a caption, use that for the title. Otherwise, it should be using the title of the work plus a disambiguator as noted above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Yes, but that's not what the current rules say. Do we agree to amend the rules to make it clear that the caption should be used if there is one, and the title of the work in all other cases? (we may want to refine for artwork publications). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:46, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::It should be optional, not a requirement. Same as it is optional to enter individual titles or leave it as one record for the entire pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:25, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Works for me. Anyone else who'd like to chime in? I'll try to come up with an update for the rules text to clarify that INTERIORART gets the title of the work it illustrates, and if there's a caption, that caption can be used instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:10, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) If "... INTERIORART gets the title of the work it illustrates" means the publication title, then I object. It would make my favored approach outside standards. The title record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?919662 Winds of the Forelands (maps)] covers all the maps used in a series. It clearly shows how the maps are credited, where they appear and is easily edited if additional volumes are published. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:44, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree with John. It's important to be able to use one record for the same illustrations (maps in particular) used in a series. Sometimes the illustrations don't have a caption or there are several possible captions. A grouping title can provide a container that clarifies the use of the illustrations without unnecessarily duplicating them. The approach being discussed doesn't seem to provide for the flexibility to use a grouping title. It also feels like the proposed approach could inflate the number of works attributed to a given artist. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:20, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The rules currently state that artwork is only supposed to be titled per the title of the work (story or publication). The above is relaxing that rule to match how things generally are done. I'm fine adding an additional relaxation for "series" artwork as I agree combining maps makes sense. But if you are both objecting to any change, then you should realize your way of handling maps is not valid per the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:11, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The current standard for Maps - "Maps. These are considered interior art for ISFDB purposes and are typed as INTERIORART. The format for titling maps is "<b>Title of Work (map)</b>", for example: Brightness Reef (map). Optionally, if a map is titled you can use the stated title of the map without appending the name of the work, for example The Land of Nehwon (map)." (emphasis added) I interpret work as inclusive (publication, series, or story). <br />
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:::Note the wording in [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk's]] proposal - "INTERIORART always get the title of the work it's illustrating. If the work does not illustrate any particular work, use the title of the <b>publication</b> the art appears in..." (emphasis added) The change from work to publication was the source of my objection. <br />
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:::If the original intent was for work to be synonymous with publication and story only, then I am indeed proposing a change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::Concerning illustrations (eg maps) repeated in multiple volumes (of a series), under the current rules there is always the possibility to variant titles. That will effectively tie them together - under the current rules there's no need to 'invent' a common title for use across a series.<br />
::::Mind that I'm not saying that we can't change the rules, but the change John's (and Phil's) proposing requires more discussion before (if) we can accept the change and can update the rules accordingly. What do we do with INTERIORART that has<br />
::::* a caption, artwork identical, and that caption is identical across the volumes of the series --> this is an easy one; use the caption. Will need a rules change, but per the discussion above I'm fairly certain everyone's OK with adding 'if it has a caption, you have the option to use it'<br />
::::* a caption, artwork identical, but captions differ between volumes? --> since we'd make the use of the caption optional, we could decide to either use the series' title instead, or go the variant route, using the different caption titles (this latter would be my preference, as that's common practice for variant work titles anyway)<br />
::::* no caption, artwork identical, --> either use the title of the work it illustrates and variant per the other volumes, or, use the series title instead<br />
::::* combination of the above - might not be common, but can't be excluded either imo<br />
::::and then I've not even touched John's example: how to write down the conditions to cover this case where there's a grouping of different maps involved, which are not identical across volumes?<br />
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::::Note that using the series title has its own challenges: what with series titles that change over the years? Are we going to go back and update all INTERIORART titles that were based on the old, no longer applicable, series title? What with series titles that we've "invented"? Those that are not to be found on or in the publication? Is using these "invented" titles for INTERIORART a good idea?<br />
::::Lastly, we're now having two topics to discuss: "optional usage of caption", "usage of series title". What do you say, split the discussion in two sub-discussions? (splitting would allow us to update the rules to at least allow usage of captions...) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:44, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Splitting it seems reasonable. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:06, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Numbering of pages numbered in the ToC but not numbered themselves ==<br />
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Please go read [[User talk:Nihonjoe#1634: The Bavarian Crisis|this discussion]] for background. Please keep comments here, though, since this discussion will be referred to regarding any outcome. <br />
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Here's the summary: For pages prior to the main content, we generally use the numbering found on the pages themselves (this is the same for all other content, too). In some cases, those pages don't have any numbering on the pages themselves. For those, we generally include the number of those pages in square brackets prior to the main page count. For example: "[12]+374" for a book that has 12 unnumbered pages of recordable content (maps, introductions, etc.) prior to the main content. In the case linked above, the table of contents gives Roman numerals to that content, so I used that in the numbering ("[x]+690+[3]") and included a note to that effect in the notes for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 publication]: "Although no roman numerals are printed on any pages, the Contents page lists Maps beginning on page viii."<br />
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The question is whether using the Roman numerals is what should be done here (and in other such cases). On the [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular Titles|Help:Screen:NewPub]] page, it states "Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." My understanding of this is that it's meant to prevent us from using the table of contents page numbers when they disagree with the actual page numbers (basically, when the publisher forgets to update the table of contents when a change is made that affects the page numbers). <br />
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However, I don't think it should be applied in this case since it's the reverse of what I believe the intention of that rule is. In this case, the pages themselves don't have any page numbers on them. Rather, the only place the page numbers are given is in the table of contents. Because of this, there's no disagreement between the actual page numbers (since there aren't any) and the table of contents.<br />
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So, let's sort this out. Should we completely ignore page numbers in the table of contents in ''all cases''? Are there cases (like the one described above and at that link) where we should use the information found in the table of contents? Is there something else that should be done?<br />
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Thanks for your input on this discussion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:02, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If I am reading this correctly, you are thinking that where [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular Titles|Help:Screen:NewPub]] says:<br />
:* Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents<br />
: it was actually originally meant to say something like:<br />
:* Caution: When a page number in the table of contents contradicts the page number in the body of the publication, use the page number in the body of the publication<br />
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:* Caution: If a Contents item doesn't have a page number within the body of the publication but has a page number in the table of contents, enter the latter in the Page Number field and put square brackets around the value<br />
: ? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:58, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the intent of it was the first one, as that's how I've always seen it applied in the past. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::The thread title misstates the fundamental problem. At question is the proper handling of unnumbered pages before page 1 which contain indexable content. Proper determination of the Pages field in the publication metadata is the source of contention. I maintain that this situation is addressed in bullet point 3, under Pages, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages here]. [[User:Nihonjoe]] argues that Arabic numerals are not required and Roman numerals may be used instead. I see nothing in the help which allows this. The help specifically calls for Arabic numerals. The proper entry for the page field of each content title flows directly from the publication Pages field. <br />
:::If we decide that Roman numerals are appropriate, bullet points 2 and 3 will need to be completely rewritten. Of course I will support any consensus decision. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Sorry if it was confusing for you, but that wasn't my intent. Perhaps the title of this discussion isn't as clear as you would prefer, but the post itself is very clear. I was trying to be concise as really long section titles can be cumbersome. <br />
::::Regarding the rest of your comment, it really depends on the definition of "unnumbered" since I'm arguing that the ToC ''does'' number the pages since it has page numbers and the pages themselves do not. We need to determine if the ToC can ''absolutely never'' be used for any page numbers, or if (as I'm arguing in this case) it can be used for those page numbers when the ToC has them but the pages do not have them and the page numbers cannot be derived from surrounding pages that ''do'' have page numbers. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:51, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I think that using the numbers from the table of contents, with a note stating so, makes more sense in this case than inventing new numbers and discarding information printed in the book. I've always read this part of the help in the same way as you - it is there to define what to use when the actual book and the contents page disagree not to prohibit using the TOC when it is the only source.<br />
: With this being said, I can see the other side of the argument (for consistency sake if nothing else) - but my gut feeling is to go with what is printed in the book itself. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:08, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) I am in Annie's camp. I don't have strong feelings about this, other than I think from a database user's perspective, it would be somewhat strange to have content listed as on "[7]" when the TOC says it is on "v". My inclination is to adjust the "Caution" wording slightly to say that page numbers should be taken from the numbers printed on each content item's page, not from the TOC. Then in the "Pages without a printed page number" section add a bullet stating that if the page is given a number in the TOC, that number should be treated as if printed on the page, as long as not in conflict with numbering printed on other pages or with the number of physical pages in the publication. Something like that. That should be compatible with the other rules, page count determinations, etc. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::My only real problem with using a Roman numeral found only in the ToC is that if a reader were to pick up the book, look at the ToC, and try to go to that page, they couldn't find it using the page reference. No matter what, there definitely needs to be note describing the situation. More than anything, I would just like a well-stated, clear rule to apply. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:34, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I definitely agree. Having a note in these cases is very important. Having a clear and concise guideline is as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:29, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unintend) Let me clarify a couple of things. We are currently discussing ''Unnumbered pages within a range of unnumbered pages'' scenarios. Help currently says:<br />
* If a content starts on an unnumbered page within a range of unnumbered pages, its page number should first be derived and then entered in squared brackets. The page number can be derived by counting forward from the first page of the section of unnumbered pages. For example, if a content appears on the fifth page in a range of unnumbered pages, enter "[5]". <br />
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If I understand it correctly, the proposal under consideration would add a sub-rule after the second sentence, something like:<br />
* If the table of contents specifies the page number where the content starts AND that page number matches the number derived by counting forward, then use the numerals (i.e. Arabic or Roman) found in the table of contents. If the page number in the table of contents doesn't match the number derived by counting forward, then use the number derived and Arabic numerals.<br />
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The caveat after the capitalized "AND" above would be presumably needed to account for situations where the page number in the table of contents doesn't match the number derived by counting forward since we all know how bad tables of contents can be (my "favorite" example is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28666 here].)<br />
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Am I reading this correctly? Also, will this affect ''Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages'' scenarios which are covered by a separate Help paragraph? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:12, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Very close to an edit conflict with Ahasuerus.<br />
:Ahasuerus: Your understanding of the discussion re: ''Unnumbered pages within a range of unnumbered pages'' is correct. The situation of ''Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages'' has not yet been considered.<br />
:What follows below is what I had prepared to say before Ahasuerus jumped in first. :-) [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:58, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::The ISFDb rules already have a method for assigning page numbers to unnumbered pages that are not derivable by counting forwards / backwards, namely, the use of Arabic numerals in square brackets. So we don't need to resort to a secondary source for the page number. The way Pages are denoted in the ISFDb is already horrendously complicated and if we adopt the use of Roman numeral page numbers from the ToC where no number is printed on the actual page then we introduce further complications and also open other cans of worms. Examples:<br />
::1) Should the Roman numeral be enclosed in square brackets? This is currently not supported in the ISFDb rules.<br />
::2) Suppose a map is on an unnumbered page that is derivable by counting backwards (page 4, say) but the ToC lists it on page iv? What do we do? [Ahasuerus' proposed sub-rule addresses this case]<br />
::3) Suppose there is an article on an unnumbered page that is not recordable in the Contents section but the ToC lists it with a Roman numeral page number? What do we do?<br />
::If we use page numbers from the ToC then all the consequences and implications need to be considered and documented.<br />
:: I am in favour of not using page numbers from the ToC where no number is printed on the actual page.<br />
::Whichever way this goes:<br />
::i) the Help notes need updating to clarify what to do<br />
::ii) a pub note definitely needs to be added to explain the discrepancy and the Help notes should state this. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:59, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Here are a few questions using the publication which caused me to raise this issue, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 The Bavarian Crisis]. Pages: '[x]+690+[3]'. L-O-C '690' pages<br />
:::* Is anyone else concerned that the Pages field will differ from all secondary sources? (L-O-C in the above example). When we use bracketed Arabic numerals it's an obvious ISFDB construct. <br />
:::* Looking at my copy, viii is the only Roman numeral in the TOC. I assume [x], brackets addressed by [[User:Teallach|Teallach]], is a count of the total pages before page 1. This differs from how we presently deal with Roman numerals. Should the Pages field be 'viii+690+[3] or would that be another explanation in the help section?<br />
:::* I repeat for emphasis [[User:Teallach|Teallach's]] point 3.<br />
:::* The Pages field will become impossible for a reviewer to confirm unless they own the publication or there is a scan available. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Regarding each point:<br />
::::*Our page counts already often differ from those at many secondary sources. Whether the bracketed numerals are Arabic or Roman doesn't make our way of listing page numbers any less an "obvious ISFDB construct". There are a number of things we do here which can be confusing to people outside of ISFDB (the whole CHAPBOOK thing, for example). In this case, the only reason I put the Roman numerals in brackets was because the pages themselves are not numbered, and we'd do the same thing if they were completely unnumbered (meaning no mention of page numbers in the ToC or on the pages themselves).<br />
::::*The [x] is the total number of unnumbered valid content pages, derived from counting forward and backward from the one page number mentioned in the ToC for the pre-story content. Since the pages themselves didn't have any actual page numbers on them, but the page number for one of the pages was listed in the ToC, I used that. <br />
::::*I don't really understand what Teallach means by "Suppose there is an article on an unnumbered page that is not recordable in the Contents section but the ToC lists it with a Roman numeral page number? What do we do?" If the content is not recordable, then we don't include the content, regardless of whether it appears in the ToC or not, and regardless of whether it has page numbers or not. We do include the page numbers, however (for example, if there's an "Acknowledgements" or an "About the Author", and the pages were numbered, we'd include them in the page count but wouldn't record the content as a separate title. I would also include a note explaining the situation. <br />
::::*Unless a reviewer has a copy of the publication (whether physical or a PDF or scan of the publication in question), they wouldn't be able to confirm anything anyway. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this concern, but it seems like a non-concern from how I'm reading it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:24, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::This pending edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5796089, relates to this discussion. Is the way I entered numbers the way it's been decided they're supposed to be done? Because it does mention "179" on contents page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:49, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Nihonjoe: here is an example to clarify my point 3).<br />
::::::The text of a novel starts on a page with a printed number of 1 and finishes on a page with a printed number of 999. There are ten unnumbered pages in the book before the start of the novel. A one page "About the Author" article appears on the fifth of these pages. The ToC lists the "About the Author" article and assigns it a page number of v.<br />
::::::Now, we don't record the "About the Author" article in the Contents section but what do we put in the publication Pages field? The possibilities seem to be 999 or v+999 or [v]+999 [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:54, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::I'd do either v+999 or [v]+999 (depending on if we want to count the ToC assigning a page number as "numbered" or "unnumbered"), unless the "About the Author" is multiple pages, and then I'd extend the Roman numeral count accordingly. In your example, I'm assuming there is no other content, recordable or otherwise, outside of the "About the Author" section? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:39, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::I was not looking for a solution to the example. I just provided it to clarify my case 3 because you said you did not really understand it. At this stage of the proceedings I do not consider it appropriate to start working solutions to the three cases I raised, firstly because they will not be relevant if the consensus is that we do not use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves and secondly because we risk losing focus on the main issue. The existing rules for Pages are already very complicated. If we do use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves then all those cases I described (plus possibly others that I and other editors / moderators have not thought of or raised yet) will need to be discussed, agreed upon and have additional rules added to the Help Notes on Pages to deal with them. This will make the rules for Pages even more complicated. I am very much against doing this unless it is necessary because the more complicated the rules are, the easier it is for editors and moderators to make mistakes. In this situation, it is not necessary. In my opinion, it's not even desirable. If we decide to not use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves then we just need to add one sentence to this effect to the Help Notes and we are done. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 25 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I don't think it's a major change either way. Printed page numbering directs how we record the page number and the count of pages in the block where the numbered page appears. For pages with no numbers, either we always count and always use Arabic numerals, or we allow pages to be considered numbered by proxy via the TOC first, before defaulting to the counting + Arabic numeral scheme. Use of the TOC, however, would need some kind of caveat to cover the case where a TOC is reprinted from a different format edition without adjustment and does not match the layout (similar to copyright page/printing statement handling). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:14, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Other Missing Values on the Title Page ===<br />
It occurs to me that the "no page number on the title page" is related to other "missing values on the title page" scenarios.<br />
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What do we do if a story or an essay doesn't have a title printed on the title page, but the information appears elsewhere within the publication, e.g. in the table of contents? [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]] says:<br />
* For short stories, essays and poems, when working from a primary source, always take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins. The title shown in/on the table of contents, running page headers, index, front cover of the publication, secondary bibliography, or a promotional website listing is secondary.<br />
However, what does "secondary" mean in this case? Does it mean that we can use "secondary" titles if no title is given on the title page? If so, then we should spell it out and also explain the hierarchy of "fallback scenarios", e.g. whether the version in the "running page header" should be used before the version in the table of contents.<br />
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Similarly, what do we do if a story or an essay has no author credit? In most cases we use "uncredited", but [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]] allows an exception:<br />
* If an individual work doesn't have an author credit, which is common in single-author collections, use the form of the author's name stated on the publication's main title page.<br />
Essays whose authors sign their names at the end -- as opposed to on the title page -- are another de facto exception since we typically enter the signed names in the "Author(s)" field.<br />
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These scenarios are similar to "missing page number" scenarios in that they provide alternative values -- sometimes documented in Help and sometimes undocumented -- that editors use to populate "Title" and "Author(s)" fields. I am thinking that we should start by clarifying the current rules and bringing then up to date before we start changing the rules for page numbers. For authors, it could be something like:<br />
* For Content entries, the order of locations to take author names from is:<br />
*# The title page if author name(s) are present<br />
*# The last page of the content item if signed by the author(s)<br />
*# For single-author collections only, the publication's main title page<br />
*# If none of the locations listed above list author name(s), enter "uncredited"<br />
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For titles, we will also want to clarify where the pub's main title should come from if the pub has no title page, which is increasingly common with independently published books. I have been using what's printed on the cover, but we really need to spell out what the hierarchy should be.<br />
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Once we clearly document the current de facto standard for titles and authors, it should be easier to decide what to do with page numbers. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:00, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Don't forget TOC :). Not to start down a rat hole, but I believe we also don't follow strict order once the preferred location fails to provide a value. E.g., if TOC used one name and last page used another, and one was canonical, we'd likely use that. Anyway, it also sounds like we need to distinguish the "secondary" that is from-the-pub-but-not-in-the-official-place from "secondary" that is from-somewhere-other-than-the-pub. Perhaps "fallback" for the former? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 22:12, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have run [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=untitled&type=Fiction+Titles a few database searches] and it looks like we use the following values for works without a title:<br />
:::* "Untitled" -- note the capitalization -- e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1732839 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1722146 this poem]<br />
:::* "untitled" -- all lowercase -- e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?270431 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1337411 this poem]<br />
:::* "Untitled" or "untitled" followed by the first few words in the body of the work in parentheses, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566996 Untitled ("1.6: These texts are a book about the people and their Gods ...")] (SHORTFICTION) or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2913627 untitled ("A gate in rubble")] (POEM)<br />
:::* "Untitled" or "untitled" followed by a short description of the work, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1851523 "(Untitled Congratulations to Isaac Asimov)"]<br />
:::* The same as immediately above except disambiguated, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1951605 "(untitled editorial) (ERB-dom, June 1973)"]<br />
:::* "[Untitled]" or "[untitled]", e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2846492 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1081917 this poem]<br />
:::* "(Untitled)" or "(untitled"), e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1405437 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1405439 this poem]<br />
:::* The same as immediately above except disambiguated, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2034496 (untitled) (Twisted #4, Summer 1987)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2034510 (untitled) (Twisted #4, Summer 1987) [2\]]<br />
::: So a lot of different scenarios, all of them revolving around the use of "untitled". I don't think we have this de facto standard documented anywhere, do we? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:34, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I believe for poems we also sometimes use the first line, or portion thereof, in quotes (without "untitled"). I believe I have done it, and I don't recall from where I got the practice. Of course, I believe lots of things.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:06, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Relating to the third item in the listing of the order of locations to take author names from: I think it would be meaningful to also add novels to this item (to use the publication's main title page), in case there are forewords, prefaces, notes worthy to add, all of which are unsigned but obviously written by the author(s) of the novel. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:34, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kindle Vella - In or Out? ==<br />
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We have two previous discussions I can find ([[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Kindle_Vella_ASINs|this one]] and [[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive51#New_Amazon_service_-_Kindle_Vella|this one]]), neither of which seemed to come to any conclusion. Do we want to include them as ebooks, or do they not count as ebooks since they can only be viewed within the Kindle app or on an actual Kindle device? Would they be considered serials? They seem to be a bit outside the norm for what we accept here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:19, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Note: I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5764527 this submission] on hold pending the outcome of this discussion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The first [[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Kindle_Vella_ASINs|linked discussion]] petered out when we couldn't find a way to download Vella files. As I wrote at the time:<br />
::* With regular e-books that you purchase on Amazon, you go to "Manage Your Content and Devices", then "Digital Content", then "Books". When the desired book is displayed in the list, click "More Actions" on the right. In the pop-up list select "Download & transfer via USB" and click "Download". This will download the book as an azw3 file.<br />
::* When you follow the same steps for a Vella serial, you get to the last step, but the "Download" button is grayed out. Instead you get a "You do not have any compatible devices registered for this content. Buy a Kindle or get the free Kindle reading app." I haven't been able to find a way around it. Ahasuerus 16:49, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: You then responded with:<br />
::* That's probably due to Vella still being in beta. I haven't been able to figure out how to do it, either. I'll keep trying different ways. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:05, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Any luck since then? I haven't touched Vella, so I am out of the loop. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:28, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I haven't really tried since then. I don't like Vella myself. It's a pain to use and there's not enough there that interests me enough to make a concerted effort to try to figure it out. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small><br />
::::One of the books I recently added to the DB is also published on Kindle Vella. I tried in vain to find the the release dates for each chapter but gave it up as a wasted effort. If we can't get critical data like the publishing date, I'd say Out. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:02, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Yeah, Amazon has not made it easy to figure out anything regarding Vella works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:04, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::And I'd say Out as well, until the releases are collected into something which has identifying information and a release date. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:12, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted" ==<br />
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[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Moondust This Community Portal discussion] got me thinking. [[Template:TitleFields:WebPage]] starts with:<br />
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* '''Web Page''' - A field for the URL of a Web page related to this title. Examples of related Web pages include '''legally posted''' versions of the title's text [emphasis added]<br />
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Our goal when originally crafting this Help template was to make sure that we wouldn't become a hub for links to unauthorized copies of texts still under copyright protection. The Help language seemed self-explanatory at the time, but how can our editors tell whether a "version of the title's text" has been "legally posted"? For example, the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page] justifies the fact that they host copyrighted works without permission as follows:<br />
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: This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.”<br />
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As I pointed out on the Community Portal, that's an odd interpretation of the copyright law:<br />
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: The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.<br />
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: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. <br />
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This stuff can get confusing very quickly, so I think we need a set of unambiguous rules that editors and moderators could use when deciding whether to add/approve a link to a third party-hosted text.<br />
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In addition, the fact that we currently link both to the US-based Project Gutenberg and to [http://gutenberg.net.au/ Project Gutenberg Australia] -- which use different copyright rules and have different sets of texts available for download -- suggests that we interpret "legally posted" to mean "legally posted in the jurisdiction where the third party Web site is hosted". We may want to make it explicit in the template. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:49, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree that making it more clear in our documentation will be a good thing. I think we should generally avoid linking to full scans in cases where the item in question may not be in the public domain. This might mean removing some archive.org links as their track record of making sure things are in the public domain is questionable. On the other hand, they do act more like a library in that (generally) things that are not in the public domain can either be browsed on the site in a limited fashion or checked out for a specific amount of time for more lengthy review. Luminist does not do that. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:44, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Or how about not taking any links down unless a specific individual asks ISFDB to do that? Archive.org links over the last 3 years that I've added, several thousand by now probably, are mostly still working when I happen across them later on to update info but occasionally I'll click a link and there will be that message about the upload being taken down; could be lots of reasons and probably they do get complaints now and then from Harlan Ellison types who think they own everything but most (living) authors don't care with many glad to see their works available to such a wide audience because in many cases publishers have no interest in reprinting their books. Many (most, probably) copies on Archive.org are ex-library and often not in the best condition with people clearly donating them instead of tossing them in the trash because they know how hard many of the books are to find these days and they want people to be able to read them. I recently did some more MZB Sword and Sorceress edits after doing a lot of them long ago and noticed that 3 links to volumes in that series I added back then had been taken down so I removed those links since all 3 had one other copy also linked; they all had the kind of URL where it's obvious that someone uploaded the books themselves, not the typical Archive URL for books they digitized, so maybe somebody asked them to take their copies down. The issues of copyright around Marion Zimmer Bradley's works are notorious and can easily be read about online; one wishes her trustees cared less about protecting/profiting off her works and more about her (and her husband's) history re: children but that's another story. So that's my suggestion - let the Internet Archive handle requests to take certain books down, which they are clearly willing to do if someone asks them, and let ISFDB stay out of it and remain solely a research site. If anyone comes across a record with a link that's no longer working, just remove it. If you allow users of this site to decide what should be taken down you're going to create a huge mess with people taking down links to authors they don't like or links added by editors they don't like and I don't think anyone wants that. I'd still like the Moondust edit to be un-rejected if that's possible but if not at least people now know where to go if they want to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:25, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Let's first try to determine if there are areas that we all agree on. I can think of two scenarios that unambiguously fall under the "legally posted" clause of [[Template:TitleFields:WebPage]]:<br />
:::* Links to texts that have been made available by the copyright holder. ("Copyright holder" is important because in certain cases it may not be the same as the author.)<br />
:::* Links to texts that are out of copyright in the jurisdiction where the linked site is located. (The qualifier is important since copyright laws are different in different countries.) We could also add links either to our Wiki pages or to third party Web page explaining how to determine whether a given text is out of copyright in common jurisdictions.<br />
::: This leaves us with texts that are still under copyright in the jurisdiction where the linked Web site resides, but the site owner claims some kind of exemption, whether it "fair use", "libraries and archives" or something else. The problem here is that it's hard to tell if the claimed exemption is (a) really in compliance with the relevant laws and (b) whether the site owner accurately represents the site's position on copyright.<br />
::: Apparently the legality of ''linking'' to illegally posted copyrighted material has been an area of active litigation both in the US, where "contributory copyright infringement" is illegal (but the details are complicated -- see [https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/linking-copyrighted-materials this article for a high level overview]), and in Europe (see [https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=af0557cd-6f40-4509-bc8f-30538a14bf14 this discussion]).<br />
::: A recent example of how these things can go is Anna's Archive, i.e. annas-archive.org. When it appeared about a year ago, I poked around, found literally millions of copyrighted books and articles and immediately wondered whether it was legal. More digging discovered that they apparently had two lines of defense. First, they stated that:<br />
:::* We do not host any copyrighted materials here. We are a search engine, and as such only index metadata that is already publicly available. When downloading from these external sources, we would suggest to check the laws in your jurisdiction with respect to what is allowed. We are not responsible for content hosted by others.<br />
::: Second, they had a DMCA page which let copyright owners request that links be taken down.<br />
::: I wasn't sure whether it would be enough to make the site legal in most jurisdictions, but I am not an expert.<br />
::: Fast forward to January 2024 and we have [https://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-news/annas-archive-blocked-following-publishers-protest-over-piracy-accusations this 2024-01-08 report]:<br />
:::* On December 4, 2023, the Italian Publishers Association (AIE) filed a copyright complaint against Anna’s Archive. [snip] AIE’s complaint cites over 30 books, emphasizing that this is just a glimpse of the content distributed by Anna’s Archive to which its members hold rights. [snip]<br />
:::* With no counterclaims from the contacted parties and clear evidence of mass infringement, an order was issued to Italian ISPs to disable https://annas-archive.org through a DNS block within 48 hours. Visitors to the site are now met with a blocking page in Italian.<br />
::: Granted, we don't position ourselves as a "search engine for ''shadow libraries''" the way Anna's Archive does, so we are in a somewhat different position. However, if we end up with hundreds or thousands of links to Web pages whose legality we can't easily determine, we may find ourselves in a legally questionable situation. It may be safer to simply stay away from sites of that nature. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:13, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: There is a very big difference between hosting content and linking to someone else's hosted content. It is unreasonable to expect our editors and moderators to be expert enough to evaluate sites' legal claims. I think our policy should be something like: "Only links to content legally posted in the host site's jurisdiction are permitted, but the ISFDB is not qualified to make legality assessments. If ISFDB becomes aware of legal action resulting in the suspension or prohibition of a site's display of certain content, links to that site's posting of the content will be removed until the matter is resolved, or permanently, according to the circumstances." And then provide a mechanism to notify the ISFDB of host site legal issues/legal challenges to a site's posting(s). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:51, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::There are currently a large number of edits in the queue adding links. Should these be held/skipped pending the results of this discussion? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:36, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: It looks like the consensus is that archive.org links are OK to add. By default, archive.org only lets you access copyrighted books' metadata, cover images and the first few pages of the text, which is similar to what Amazon's Look Inside does. You have to join their [https://help.archive.org/help/borrowing-from-the-lending-library/ "Lending Library" program] in order to be able to "check out" books. The legality of the LL program is currently [https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/11/23868870/internet-archive-hachette-open-library-copyright-lawsuit-appeal under review by the courts] and the last brief that I know of was [https://www.eff.org/cases/hachette-v-internet-archive filed on 2023-12-15]. As long as archive.org remains a legitimate organization and complies with relevant court orders, linking to its Web pages shouldn't be an issue for us. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:15, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::One other thing we could do is maintain a list of sites to which ISFDB has chosen to prohibit any content links (sort of a complement to the deep-linking-permitted list) due to concerns with the site's general compliance with applicable copyright laws. That should be clear for everyone, and the software could help enforce it. ISFDB is under no obligation to permit links, so legal precision is not necessary. There could be some transparent process for managing entries on the list (e.g., an R&S discussion with a definitive conclusion required). We could have some general guidelines for what does or does not merit being on the list. For example, we might decide that sites engaged in good-faith copyright protection and infringement dispute resolution -- e.g., such as Google Books, Internet Archive, and Project Gutenberg -- are not candidates despite any specific infringement complaints, while sites subject to multiple complaints and not obviously engaged in protection management and infringement dispute resolution -- e.g., such as the Anna's Archive example above -- are candidates. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:09, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::::I agree. Anna's Archive (and the once-popular site Ocean of PDF and all the others, many probably run by the same people under different names) pretends to be aboveboard but they're really just a dumping ground for pirated e-books and their download page is a list of shady sites, users being encouraged to become members if they want faster downloads, including the infamous LibGen that encourage bulk torrent downloads that are certainly not being used just for some light reading. Any site that has individual pages for each work, Archive.org, Luminist, Galactic Journey, etc. should be acceptable. Any site which mentions bulk or torrent or anything similar is a no-no. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::::Speaking of which, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_webpage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=oceanofpdf&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], I did a search for webpages with oceanofpdf and those 2 links were added by Zapp in 2023. I think they should be removed and, if you do decide to make a blacklist, Ocean of PDF should be on it, not only because of pirating but because it's virus city and you don't want anyone clicking on a link and screwing up their computer. There's no viruses on Archive.org or any of the other legit sites mentioned above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:35, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::::: The topic is expressly the Web Page field, but does all of this apply to recording the site or document in a Note field? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:40, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: I don't think different displayed fields -- Notes, Web Pages, etc -- should be treated differently for the purposes of this discussion if they link to the same third party Web sites. Notes are somewhat harder to control in the software, but that's a technical issue as opposed to a legal/policy one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:16, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== A blacklist/whitelist-based solution ===<br />
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After mulling it over, I think a "blacklist"-based solution would be viable or at least a good first step. It would require three components:<br />
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* A couple of new Bureaucrat menu options to add, edit and delete blacklisted domain names like annas-archive.org, oceanofpdf.com, etc<br />
* A new yellow warning to be displayed when a submission tries to link to one of the blacklisted sites<br />
* A new nightly cleanup report to find links to blacklisted sites, which will automatically flag records once a domain is added to the blacklist<br />
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A similar whitelist of "known legitimate sites" like Project Gutenberg, Google Books, archive.org, etc would also be useful. If we implement it, we should be able to create another yellow warnings for links to domains that are not on the whitelist and may require additional digging.<br />
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Re: viruses, you are much more likely to run into them when accessing well-known illegitimate Web domains, but, unfortunately, there are no guarantees on the internet. When authors (or other people/organizations) stop paying for domain names, they become up for grabs. At that point it's anyone's guess whether they may end up in the hands of spammers, criminals, etc. Swapping this information with SFE and deleting bad links is part of what I do in the background. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:30, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I like the idea of creating a blacklist and a whitelist. I think both should require some sort of documentation supporting the addition to either list, even if that documentation is only visible to bureaucrats or admins (so that they have some sort of reference as to why a specific domain was added to one or the other). It may be good to have a "last reviewed" field, too, so we can somehow indicate when a site's inclusion on one or the other list was last reviewed (since, as you said, domain names can be picked up by someone else if the original/most recent owner chooses to not renew the domain). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I can see how a "Note" field would be a useful addition to the proposed table of blacklisted sites. Its contents could be made available to moderators reviewing the proposed cleanup report. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created {{FR|1590}}, "Create a blacklist of disallowed third party domain names". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:38, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Clarifying editor data entry rules in Help ==<br />
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Earlier today an ISFDB editor pointed out that [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] does not explicitly tell you what to put in the "Author" field for MAGAZINE publications. [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]], which is transcluded in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]], says: <br />
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* If it is an ANTHOLOGY, multi-author OMNIBUS, or multi-author work of NONFICTION, credit the editor as the "author" of the publication.<br />
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but doesn't mention MAGAZINEs or FANZINEs. I am thinking that we should add something like:<br />
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* For MAGAZINEs and FANZINEs, credit the issue editor as the "author" of the publication. Note that for non-genre MAGAZINEs/FANZINEs, "Editors of PERIODICAL NAME" may be used instead of some or all editor names if they are unknown or unclear or not of genre interest -- see [[Help:Entering non-genre periodicals]] for details.<br />
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How does it sound? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:10, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Sounds right to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:39, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:39, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, it does fill out a very minor hole in the rules, but it will actually be helpful in some cases. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:59, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Clarifying editor data entry rules in Help ===<br />
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[[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] has been updated with the proposed language. Thanks, folks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:49, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Currency codes ==<br />
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Recently I uploaded records for an Estonian book from the Soviet Union, which cost SUR 1.40. Soviet rubles SUR were in use from 1961–1991, Russian rubles RUR were in use from 1992-1997, and now the new Russian Ruble RUB is in use since RUR was devalued to RUB at a rate of 1000 to 1.<br />
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Similarly I uploaded a Bulgarian book whose cover price said "2 лв" meaning 2 levs. But there is no single Bulgarian currency. BGJ was used 1881-1952, BGK from 1952–1962, BGL from 1962-1999, and BGN is used now since 1991.<br />
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The thing is, a currency is NOT a currency just because it has the same name. The US, Canadian, and Australian dollars are not all just dollars just because they use the word "dollar" or the dollar sign "$". Estonia na SUR, then EEK, now EUR. In that case, the names changed too (ruble > kroon > euro). In Bulgaria the word "lev" applies to BGJ and BGK and BGL and BGN, but despite the name they ''aren't'' the same currency and if our database doesn't have the correct currency for a publication then the currency field is essentially worthless apart from USD and CAD and so on. <br />
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ISFDB isn't a pricing database, but its information really must be accurate. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217 ISO 4217] for currency codes.<br />
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I cannot find an actual link to an actual list of Rules and Standard, but I entered BGL when I uploaded the book and one of the admins changed it to BGN, which is simply not correct. If Bulgaria were to give up the lev and take up the euro, would we change all the BGNs to EUR? No; so we should not change BGL to BGN. [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 11:19, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Do you have a link to the publication that was changed? Also, you can find a list of currently-supported currencies at [[Help:List of currency symbols]]. Yopu're welcome to propose additions to the list, too, if there are some we should have but which aren't on that list. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:39, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?988614 Here is it]. And the change and explanation about why was shared on the Editor's page together with the links to the help page. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: This topic has come up a number of times. The longest Rules and Standards discussions were in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Currency_information_in_prices.2C_reprise July 2013] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive15#Prices_and_weird_currencies_-_reading_verification_needed... June-July 2017]. Here is what I wrote about the challenges associated with using ISO codes instead of currency symbols in 2017:<br />
:::* ... the ISO standard assigns a new code when a currency is revalued, so the code for the Mexican peso changed from "MXP" to "MXN" when the peso was replaced with the "new peso" ("nuevo peso") in 1993. In 1997 the word "nuevo" was dropped, so it's now back to just "peso". However, the ISO code has remained "MXN". If we were to use ISO codes, what should an editor do when entering an undated Mexican books whose price is listed as "100 peso"? Depending on whether it was published prior to 1993 or after 1996, the correct ISO code should be either MXP or MXN, something that most of us couldn't determine without a fair amount of digging.<br />
:::* To go back to the Russian example, the ISO code for the Soviet ruble was "SUR". When the USSR was dissolved at the end of 1991, the code was retired. It was replaced with "RUR" (later "RUB" as per the discussion above) for the Russian ruble and "BYB" for the Belarusian ruble. The latter was replaced with "BYR" in 2000 and then with "BYN" in 2016.<br />
::: For a bibliographic database like ISFDB to keep track of these changes over many decades and even centuries would be very time-consuming and not the best way to spend editor time.<br />
::: One possible "low-hanging fruit" enhancement would be to update the mouse-over bubbles that we display for prices. They currently say things like "Lev: Bulgarian lev". We could update them to say things like "Lev: Bulgarian lev. ISO codes: BGJ in 1881-1952, BGK in 1952–1962, BGL in 1962-1999, BGN since 1991". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:40, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Appendices ==<br />
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The other day [[User:Elysdir]] added the following paragraph to [[Template:TitleFields:Title]]:<br />
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* ''Appendices''. If the page where the work begins includes a phrase like "Appendix A", then include that phrase in the work's title. For example: "Appendix B: Ashima Slade and the Harbin-Y Lectures: Some Informal Remarks Toward the Modular Calculus, Part Two".<br />
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I am moving the proposed language to the Rules and Standards page to see what other editors think of it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:02, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for moving this here! I should note that before I made that change, I did a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=Appendix&type=All+Titles title search on “Appendix”] and found that a large majority of the appendix titles in ISFDB (in cases where there’s more than one appendix) use the format that I mentioned. (The advanced-search version of that search shows all 900+ titles.) There are only three titles in those search results that use the format “(Appendix A) Title”, and hundreds that use the format “Appendix A: Title” (or “Appendix 1: Title” or “Appendix I: Title” or “Appendix One: Title” or etc). So my writeup was an attempt to document what I was (incorrectly) assuming was an existing policy, rather than an attempt to make new policy. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 14:46, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I prefer the use of a colon as it is better at indicating the wording is part of the title. When I see parentheses, my brain interprets it as something not part of the title but used to clarify or disambiguate. So, I support this proposed wording. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:06, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: Yeah, I prefer using : as well - and we do use that for subtitles elsewhere so it also makes sense. And Appendices with no other title should be followed by the title of the work in brackets (we may as well throw that to complete the rule although it derives from the standard naming of essays). So "Appendix B: The making of a world" if the title is there and "Appendix B (Book title) if it just say "Appendix B". That will also make it easier to determine when there was a printed title. The corner case is when the title is printed in brackets on the page itself (which the Appendix B part is not... not sure if we want a : there or to ignore the brackets or what we want to do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:50, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Just to make sure we are on the same page: when you wrote "brackets", did you mean "[]" (aka "square brackets") or "()" (aka "parentheses")? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:52, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::: Sigh. Parentheses - I meant parentheses :) I usually use square brackets for [] to make sure it is clear which ones I mean and I do not always remember that () have their own word. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:55, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) A couple of questions/clarifications.<br />
* The proposed language is ''a phrase like "Appendix A"''. Would this be limited to the word "Appendix" or would it also cover alternative terms like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=starts_with&TERM_1=Addendum&C=AND&USE_2=title_ttype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=ESSAY&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title "Addendum] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=starts_with&TERM_1=appendices&C=AND&USE_2=title_ttype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=ESSAY&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title Appendices]? Some currently use parentheses, some use colons and some say things like "Addendum to Whirligig World". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Others may well have better answers, but I thought I might as well comment here: although I didn’t say this in my proposed language, I was focused specifically on the case where the appendices have individual subtitles as well as the general title of “Appendix A”. (So my language should be updated to say that; see below.) I was assuming that when a title consists entirely of a standard book-section name, it should follow the disambiguation rule at the end of that page, in the “"Standard" titles” paragraph: “you should parenthetically append the container title (title of the novel, collection, anthology, etc) to the title of the essay, i.e. "<generic essay title> (<container title>)" in order to create a unique title”. So for cases where there’s an addendum that’s just titled “Addendum”, I would use the format “Addendum (<container title>)”, which is also what the majority of those existing cases that you linked to already use. In the rare case where addenda also have their own individual subtitles, I would use the colon format, as demonstrated by the existing item “Addendum 1: Description of Maps”. And I would expect that the title “Appendices” by itself would also be covered by the “"Standard" titles” rule: “Appendices (A Magic of Twilight)”.<br />
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:: So maybe another way to approach this appendix-title guidance would be to reframe it as a sub-guideline of the “"Standard" titles” guidance. At the end of the page, after the “"Standard" titles” paragraph, we could say something like this (phrasing could use some further polishing):<br />
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:: ''Standard titles with specific subtitles''. If the title consists entirely of a standard title, then use the standard titles guidance above. (Examples: “Appendices (A Magic of Twilight)”; “Appendix B (A Galaxy Unknown)”; “Introduction (50 in 50)”.) But if the title starts with a label for a standard section of a book (such as “Appendix” or “Addendum”) and then is followed by an individual subtitle for that specific section, then put a colon between the book-section name and the individual title. (Examples: “Appendix: Chronology of Technic Civilization”; “Appendix B: Closures and Openings”; “Introduction: 37 Divided by 3”.)<br />
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:: …Note that that framing does introduce a difference from how some existing ISFDB titles currently do things: it removes the quotation marks around the individual subtitle. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 20:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Perhaps I am not grasping some subtleties, but wouldn't the proposed approach be the same as what the ''Subtitles'' section of [[Template:TitleFields:Title]] currently says:<br />
:::* If the title has a subtitle, enter it, with a colon and a space used to separate the title from the subtitle. For example, the 1986 edition of George MacDonald's "Lilith" has "Lilith" on the title page, and below that, in a smaller font, "A Romance". This should be entered as "Lilith: A Romance".<br />
::: ? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:47, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I think it’s essentially the same guidance, yes, but applied in a different case. The subtitles guidance reads to me as being about the title and subtitle of a book, as opposed to a section. If instead of adding a new section, you would prefer to clarify the ''Subtitles'' section to say that it also applies to things like an appendix or an addendum, that would be fine with me. …My goal in all of this is to clarify to editors how they should format the titles and subtitles of appendices; I’m fine with any approach y’all want to take. (…And I apologize if I’m overstepping by participating in this discussion at all—if I should step back and just leave it to you folks to decide, let me know.) —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 15:47, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Oh, no, everyone is welcome to contribute to Rules and Standards discussions! Sometimes an outside perspective reveals that Help is unclear or that it doesn't account for a certain category of cases.<br />
::::: The current discussion is a good example. The first three paragraphs of [[Template:TitleFields:Title]], as currently written, are in the following order:<br />
:::::* Novels<br />
:::::* Subtitles<br />
:::::* Short fiction, essays and poems<br />
::::: The way they are ordered, it's possible to assume that the "Subtitles" paragraph only applies to novels, especially since the next 2 paragraphs (SERIALs and excerpts) have special rules for subtitles and disambiguators. However, I believe the intent was to apply the "Subtitles" rule to all other title types (that do not have explicitly stated exceptions) as well.<br />
::::: If my understanding is correct, then we may be able to eliminate this ambiguity by moving the "Subtitles" paragraph below the "Short fiction, essays and poems" paragraph. We should probably also move "Omnibuses, nonfiction, anthologies and collections", which is currently the 6th paragraph in this template, right below the "Novels" paragraph. That way the order would be:<br />
:::::* Novels<br />
:::::* Omnibuses, nonfiction, anthologies and collections<br />
:::::* Short fiction, essays and poems<br />
:::::* Subtitles<br />
:::::* SERIALs<br />
:::::* Excerpts<br />
:::::* Artwork<br />
:::::* Etc<br />
::::: The 4 paragraphs preceding the "Subtitles" paragraph would all use the same subtitle rule while the paragraphs following the "Subtitles" paragraphs would have special rules. We could also make it explicit in the language of the "Subtitles" paragraph. Would this work from your perspective? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:07, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I like this idea. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:35, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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* Some languages -- notably French -- use a space between a word and a trailing colon. We generally follow language-specific rules for non-English titles, so is it safe to assume that we would be using " :" as opposed to ":" for French titles? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Huh, interesting, I didn’t know that about French. Given that difference, I would expect that yes, we would use " : " instead of ": " in French titles. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 20:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Appendices - Outcome ===<br />
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Hearing no objection, I have re-ordered the first 4 paragraphs in [[Template:TitleFields:Title]] based on the order proposed above. One sentence was split into two for readability. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:47, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Secondary source artist credit in face of credit change over time ==<br />
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For full background, see [[User_talk:MartyD#Dixie_Ray]]. Different editions of a Ballantine ''Fahrenheit 451'' use the same cover art but credit the artist differently. This is what we know:<br />
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! ISBN !! Printing !! Date !! Artist credit<br />
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| 0-345-25027-3[-150] || 40th || 1975-12-00 || no credit at all<br />
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| 0-345-25027-3[-150] || 43rd || 1976-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 44th || 1977-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 45th || 1977-11-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 46th || 1978-08-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
|}<br />
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The later "Whistl'n" is canonical. The rules do not permit us to assign "uncredited" to the 40th's cover, but they do permit us to assign an identity using the later editions' credits as a secondary source. Which later edition's credit should we use here, the non-canonical "Whistlin'" or the canonical "Whistl'n"? Likely the 41st and 42nd printings will have either no credit or "Whistlin'". I'd really like to use "uncredited" to give a complete picture of the credit's evolution. It would be a little odd to have one or more earlier editions have the canonical credit, then have some later ones with a non-canonical credit, then even later ones "revert" to canonical (when in fact they progressed to canonical). For now I have gone with canonical, but I thought I'd raise the question to see if we should standardize on something else for this scenario.<br />
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Two further hypotheticals to consider: Suppose we only had the 40th (uncredited) and then entered the 43rd ("Whistlin'") and so went back and adjusted the 40th to use that. Now the 45th ("Whistl'n") gets entered, and its credit is determined to be the canonical form. What would we want done with the 40th's (now) non-canonical credit at that point? Likewise, suppose we had the 40th, then entered the 45th ("Whistl'n") and went back and adjusted the 40th to use that. Now the 43rd gets entered. What would we want done with the 40th's credit at that point? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:12, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Re: "I'd really like to use "uncredited" to give a complete picture of the credit's evolution."<br />
: As per [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] here is how I think we currently credit cover artists depending on what is in the publication:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
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| Canonical name || Canonical name<br />
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| Alternate name || Alternate name (VT created)<br />
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| Initials || Canonical name if known<br />
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| Artist-specific symbol (sometimes a stylized version of the artist's initials) || Canonical name if known<br />
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| Signature, often illegible || Canonical name if known<br />
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| No explicit credit, but the artist's style is recognizable || The "Artist" field is left blank; Notes updated with the name of the artist and reason for attribution<br />
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| No explicit credit, but a secondary source credits the artist || Canonical name; Notes updated with the source<br />
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| No explicit credit, but the credit is implied, e.g. a small illustration may be reproduced as a credited INTERIORART work || Can be arguably considered a "secondary bibliographic source" for our purposes and treated as such, i.e. enter the canonical name in the "Artist" field and update Notes with the source<br />
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: This is a tricky decision tree diagram, which, admittedly, makes it hard to "give a complete picture of the credit's evolution". I think the underlying issue here is that it would be difficult to enter artist credits the way we enter author credits, i.e. "as stated in the pub". The main reason is that signatures, symbols and barely legible stylized initials are not something that can be easily captured as text.<br />
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: That being said, I think it would be beneficial to restructure [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] as a series of bullets to make it easier for new editors to parse. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:33, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::I understand the current rules call for canonical when the credit is taken from a secondary source, and that is what I did. It seems wrong to me in this case, however. For argument's sake, let's assume there is also no credit in the 41st printing and the credit in the 42nd is the alternate "Whistlin'". If all printings were recorded at the same time, we would have none/canonical -> none/canonical -> alternate -> alternate -> canonical -> canonical. If instead we entered them over time we would start with none -> none, then on discovering the "Whistlin'" we might change those to: non/canonical(1) -> none/canonical(1) -> canonical(1), with the first two citing the third as secondary source. Two printings later, we would discover "Whistl'n" and realize it should be canonical, so we'd VT the existing TITLE records and end up with: none/alternate -> none/alternate -> alternate -> alternate -> canonical(2). Someone would have to know to review all previous credits to see if they came from the publication or used the source of the now-alternate credit and in the latter case change them to the (new) canonical to match what would happen if we entered them all at the same time. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:05, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: I think we have somewhat of a grandfathered problem here. Our rules had been pretty straightforward for a long time - secondary credits of art use the canonical name. In our digital era, I'd argue that a scan that is proved to be of a certain printing should be considered primary source for this determination (and I think we had been applying it that way). However, as a practice we had often made an exception for this rule for later (and earlier) printings and even different formats altogether (audio/ebooks/paper had gotten credits based on the other formats) - we had often imported straight from the one we do know the credit for even if it is not using the canonical name because it is (usually) a good guess that most of these will match. Thus the conundrum now for the few credits where they do not match. <br />
::: We have two paths: enforce the rule as written OR come up with a language that allows us a bit of creativity: <i>"You can use the credit as found in a later or earlier printing if data for the current printing is not available, with a mandatory note on the exact source of the name used. That includes the usage of uncredited. The same applies for other formats sharing a cover (i.e. audiobooks which have only a cover and the artist may or may not be credited on it). Using the canonical name is always allowed in the cases of unknown credit (due to lack of source information or only secondary sources information) - with an appropriate note."</i>. Feel free to rewrite/change/argue. And if we are changing the rule, can we please make it more forceably requiring a note on the decision if you are not grabbing the name straight from the book - otherwise it is a nightmare to change a canonical name for example - I am sure we had created a lot of mistakes in the DB in the process of changing canonical names of artists simply by not knowing when a credit is a direct one and when a canonical is being used. <br />
::: I am leaning towards the second option - mainly because it is somewhat of a practice anyway (in the multi-formats) and it kinda covers this case here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:10, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Clarifying [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] ===<br />
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Going back to the issue of clarifying (as opposed to changing) what's currently stated in [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]], earlier this week an editor asked me if we could update the template language with what I wrote above to make the instructions more clear. Here is the proposed new language to be used when deciding what to enter in the "Artist" field:<br />
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* If the artist's canonical name is stated in the publication, enter it<br />
* If the artist's alternate name is states in the publication, enter it and make sure to create a Variant Title later<br />
* If the cover has the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has an artist-specific symbol, e.g. a stylized version of the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has a recognizable signature, enter the canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but a secondary source credits the artist, enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the credit is implied, e.g. a small section is reproduced as a credited INTERIORART work, treat it as a "secondary bibliographic source" scenario described above: enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
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Does this look right? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:01, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Looks good to me, though I'd put the two "e.g." parts in parentheses. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:56, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I agree on the parentheses. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Spot-checking [[Help:Screen:NewNovel]], I see that we use "e.g." inconsistently. In roughly one third of all cases we use parentheses while in the other two thirds we do not. Different grammar guides give contradictory advice. [https://apastyle.apa.org/style-grammar-guidelines/abbreviations/latin AP Style] requires the use of parentheses and a trailing comma, but ''Fowler's Modern English Usage'' does not. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:45, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I find it a lot more readable when the parentheses are there. It also simplifies the reading of the sentence for non-native speakers and we have quite a lot of them - the clearer we state things and the easier we make it for someone whose English may be shaky, the better IMO. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I would also move "If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution" to the bottom of the list and change it to " If the publication has no explicit artist credit and no secondary or implied credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution.". Otherwise it contradicts the next 2 rules in case of a recognizable artist and secondary credit for example. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: That's a very good point. Here is the updated proposed order:<br />
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* If the artist's canonical name is stated in the publication, enter it<br />
* If the artist's alternate name is states in the publication, enter it and make sure to create a Variant Title later<br />
* If the cover has the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has an artist-specific symbol, e.g. a stylized version of the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has a recognizable signature, enter the canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but a secondary source credits the artist, enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the credit is implied, e.g. a small section is reproduced as a credited INTERIORART work, treat it as a "secondary bibliographic source" scenario described above: enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit and no secondary or implied credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution<br />
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::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:51, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::The "secondary sources" bullet does not quite match current practice. If an earlier printing has no credit and a later printing with identical artwork has a credit, we use the later credit's form as the implied/secondary credit on the earlier printings (and, in fact, we merge the records). It would not surprise me if in other secondary-source scenarios our de facto practice is close to what we do for reviews and interviews: If the name provided is something for which we already have a record, that is used, otherwise the canonical is used. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:47, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I don't know if this is theoretical or practical, but what is current practice if artwork is only ever published under a pseudonym but that artist has a canonical identity under which other works are published? E.g., imagine "Ima Writer" who is a prolific SF novelist but dabbles in SF artwork as "Ima Painter", and we have Ima Painter as an alternate name for Ima Writer. If we came across uncredited artwork identified via secondary source as by Ima Painter, would we record it that way (and make a variant), rather than recording it as by Ima Writer? I DO NOT MEAN TO DISCUSS HOW THIS SHOULD BE TREATED. :) I am only asking what is current practice for purposes of the wording of the proposed bullet.. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:57, 1 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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== Pages - help screens and templates ==<br />
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There are 5 screens of help and guidance for entering page values; [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages NewPub], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages EditPub], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages PublicationFields], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PubContentFields:Page PubContentFields], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book How to determine the value for the "Pages" field in a book].<br />
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In the light of recent discussions I think it would be helpful if, at <i>the top of each screen,</i>, there could be four lines (one for each of the other four screens) which includes a link to same. At present, 3 of the screens have a link to the "How to..." page but it's right at the end. The "How to..." page has references and links to the PublicationFields template (twice) and the NewPub page. Admittedly 3 of the pages contain identical wording, but knowing of the existence of them <i>all</i>, whichever page one first lands on is what I'm addressing. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:21, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It might be good to combine all of the information from each of those pages and create one page that can be transcluded to all of those locations. That way, the information on all of them will be identical, and any changes to the one location for the information will be propagated to all of them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:58, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think that's an excellent idea Joe. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:45, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Does inclusion in the Hugo Award Voter Packet count as a publication? ==<br />
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Apologies if this is an old topic, although I think this particular case might be a new spin on it.<br />
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There are (at least) 2 Chinese stories in the Hugo Voter Packet that have English translations provided. They are in PDF and/or EPUB formats. The original Chinese stories and their publications were added to the database when the Hugo finalists were announced, so these translations would be alternate titles to existing records. (Exception: some of them are stories for the Astounding Award for Best New Writer finalists, which I didn't add anything for at the time, because it seemed too hard/nebulous.)<br />
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At least one of those translations is scheduled to be an anthology due out later this year, and another I'm 99% certain will appear in Galaxy's Edge magazine at some point, so it's not as if (some of) these translations will never get recorded in the database. <br />
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After reading [[ISFDB:Policy#Included]], I'm still unsure as to their eligibility for inclusion here. Maybe they fall under ''"Convention programs, guides, etc. We definitely want any convention-published "real books", but probably not the ephemera."'', but as that note is marked as "Debatable", it's not exactly helpful...<br />
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Thanks. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I had a [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15#A confused record|discussion]] (beginning with the first response) with [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] last year about this. We were both leaning towards adding the Hugo packet as a publication. I had (and continue to have) other priorities that I'd rather work on. However, I would still support the Hugo packet as a single OMNIBUS publication published by the Worldcon for the year. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:03, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: If my understanding is correct, "Hugo Voter Packets" are sent to all World Science Fiction Society (WSFS) members -- see [https://www.thehugoawards.org/category/voter-packet/ https://www.thehugoawards.org/category/voter-packet/] and [https://en.chengduworldcon.com/help/1 en.chengduworldcon.com/help/1]. Anyone can become a WSFS member (and therefore a Hugo/Lodestar/Astounding voter) by paying $50 per year.<br />
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:: For most practical purposes this system is similar to book clubs, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_press_association APAs] and other organizations which limit circulation to their members. Since we include book club editions, fanzines, etc, it seems to make sense to include these "Hugo Voter Packets". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:55, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Just for the record - I still think it should be eligible as an e-book omnibus. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:32, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks all, I'll try to make a start on this year's some time soon.<br />
:::: One follow up question: for stuff like custom submissions that contain multiple stories or essays, I think it's better to group those as new OMNIBUS, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY or NONFICTION titles, which then get pulled into the OMNIBUS, rather than just have all the individual SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, etc imported directly into the OMNIBUS.<br />
:::: e.g. this year's Best Editor (Short Form) for Sheree Renee Thomas comprises 14 PDFs, which are an issue of F&SF, a full anthology, and 12 individual stories and essays extracted from F&SF and a couple of anthologies. Rather than import those directly into the "Hugo Voter Packet" OMNIBUS publication, I propose to have a "Sheree Renee Thomas Hugo Award 2023 Voter Packet Submission" OMNIBUS containing those, which is then imported into the top level OMNIBUS. This (IMHO) keeps things more consistent and tidy with for example, the Neil Clarke submission, which is a single PDF anthology of 13 stories and an essay. Objections/thoughts? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:29, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'll defer to the software experts, but I'm pretty sure that an OMNIBUS cannot contain another OMBNIBUS. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:45, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Not under the current rules, no... And I really would prefer not to change this -- we had a discussion around that when someone was adding the Baen disks - creating artificial containers that had never existed is going to look ordered on the surface but will be a pain for an end user - aka - in order to get the complete list for the packet, they will need to open multiple non-existing publications (as you will need a publication for these internal omnibuses if you want to import in them). So I'd just import all stories/articles/whatever into the single omnibus and use Notes to explain what is what (and use the numbering to keep the separate pieces next to each other). If the concern is where the award/nomination gets assigned - this is not different from when a set of books are nominated - just add it to each of the title records - for the example - she did not get nominated for an omnibus containing these works, she was nominated because of all the separate works... Although technically speaking, as it is a nomination for her and not the works, these should not get the nomination added to them anyway - but if there is something where that applies, the logic is the same. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:51, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Ah, no problem, I'll just chuck everything in the "top-level" omnibus.<br />
::::::: The thought of adding the award nomination to those hypothetical "fake" title records didn't actually occur to me ;-) I agree that awards to people rather than titles should be done as untitled awards. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:01, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: If you look at the thread Ron linked above, I was wondering at the time between an overall omnibus and a series/pub series for the different pieces -- mainly due to the fact that parts of it are distributed separately. But it is a special case and a single omnibus makes more sense I think -- and makes it easier to see what is inside (plus as with all other omnibuses containing other containers (collections/anthologies), you will ultimately want to add ALL contents pieces in the top level anyway for visibility - aka for people who want to see where the story can be found - as we do not have "indirect" lists so having the fake middle ones will be mostly so you can have visual separation more than anything...). Plus if we ever change our mind, we can always create the smaller containers. Does not change the fact that we want all visible in the big omnibus anyway - which means importing all in it as well...<br />
:::::::: As for the awards note - yeah I realized it as soon as I typed it but then there may be other pieces in there for which that applies so I left it and added the last note). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:21, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Interior art - do we use artwork captions in the titling? ==<br />
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That's one of the questions arising from this discussion about the artwork in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Weir_-_Project_Hail_Mary Project Hail Mary]. Clarification of the rules would be much appreciated. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:34, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:My opinion: The spirit of artwork record titling is that, except when published as a "standalone" piece of art, artwork is subordinate to the work or publication with which it is associated. Artwork record titles generally reflect that subordination. Here is what I think is de facto practice:<br />
:*COVERART titles should always be the same as that of the publication. (In fact, I think this is the one place we do not add disambiguation for the case of two different works of art by the same artist for different publications/editions with the same title.)<br />
:*INTERIORART titles in a publication of, or about, artwork should record the "natural" labeling used in the publication. If works are identified by title or caption, that text should be used. If works are identified by use case, then either the canonical title with " (use case)" appended or a descriptive title should be used. For example, if a plate in publication XYZ is publication ABC's cover, title XYZ's INTERIORART record "ABC (cover)". If a COVERART record for ABC's cover is present, XYZ's INTERIORART record should be made a variant of that.<br />
:*All other INTERIORART titles should usually be the same as that of the illustrated work, or of the containing publication if not illustrating a specific work. However, each of a publication's INTERIORART titles should be unique within the publication's contents. Where the use-the-publication-or-work's-title scheme would result in the publication's having multiple INTERIORART content records with the same title text, the titles should be disambiguated. Different disambiguation techniques are employed, depending on use case and information available.<br />
:**If the same artist is responsible for multiple works of art that are being recorded separately, the title text for each must be made unique.<br />
:***If the works have titles or captions, those may be used.<br />
:***If the works have different use cases, append " (use case)" to one or more of the otherwise ambiguous records. E.g. "ABC (map)".<br />
:***If no better differentiator is available, append " [number]" to each of the otherwise ambiguous records. E.g., "ABC [1]", "ABC [2]",...<br />
:**If different artists are responsible for different pieces of art, the normal titling scheme is followed, with each INTERIORART record having the same title text but different Artist credits. Note that "use case" disambiguation may also be employed in this case. E.g., "ABC (maps)" by artist 1 and "ABC (illustrations)" by artist 2. If differing artist credit alone is not sufficient to produce uniquely identifiable records, then one of the disambiguation schemes should be applied first to produce the title text, then the appropriate artist credit should be assigned. E.g., "ABC [1]" by artist 1, "ABC [2]" by artist 2, "ABC [3]" by artist 1.<br />
:As I said, that is my opinion. I would also note that ISFDB's view of artwork has changed over the years. We used to treat artwork as much more of an afterthought/second-class data citizen than we do today. So, for example, you will see disambiguated-by-number records entered long ago where today we would use some more readily identifiable form of disambiguation. Or older single publication-wide records where today we would tend to use multiple records to document each of the individual works. Some of the help text may not be fully in tune with the times. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:20, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::re "I think this is the one place we do not add disambiguation for the case of two different works of art by the same artist for different publications/editions with the same title": Cover art is not a special case. We only disambiguate artwork titles within the same publication, not across publications. I agree with you on the remainder. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:20, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If I read Marty's reply correctly, what it boils down to is that for the art's title, the illustrated work's title is used with all the disambiguation cases etc, as explained above (and except for the bullet point 'If the works have titles or captions, those may be used [to make them unique]' - which I don't read in the current rules btw).<br />
::: My interpretation of the rules is exactly that, ie. the title of INTERIORART is the same as the title of the work it illustrates - even though there are several examples currently in the DB where the actual INTERIORART title or caption are used as title, instead of the title of the work the art illustrates. The issue that I'm having with the current rules is that they are not very clear in explaining what title to use, hence should be rewritten to make them unambiguous - because right now, the rules do not clarify what do to in case there's artwork that has a proper title of its own. - cfr. the discussion [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Weir_-_Project_Hail_Mary here]. I have two proposals to make the rules clearer:<br />
:::: * INTERIORART always get the title of the work it's illustrating. If the work does not illustrate any particular work, use the title of the publication the art appears in, or<br />
:::: * If INTERIORART has its own title or caption, use that title or caption. Else, use the publication's title instead<br />
:::: (+ the disambiguation cases laid out by Marty above, of course). Thoughts? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:03, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As has been noted by others, if the interior art has a caption, use that for the title. Otherwise, it should be using the title of the work plus a disambiguator as noted above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Yes, but that's not what the current rules say. Do we agree to amend the rules to make it clear that the caption should be used if there is one, and the title of the work in all other cases? (we may want to refine for artwork publications). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:46, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::It should be optional, not a requirement. Same as it is optional to enter individual titles or leave it as one record for the entire pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:25, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Works for me. Anyone else who'd like to chime in? I'll try to come up with an update for the rules text to clarify that INTERIORART gets the title of the work it illustrates, and if there's a caption, that caption can be used instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:10, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) If "... INTERIORART gets the title of the work it illustrates" means the publication title, then I object. It would make my favored approach outside standards. The title record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?919662 Winds of the Forelands (maps)] covers all the maps used in a series. It clearly shows how the maps are credited, where they appear and is easily edited if additional volumes are published. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:44, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree with John. It's important to be able to use one record for the same illustrations (maps in particular) used in a series. Sometimes the illustrations don't have a caption or there are several possible captions. A grouping title can provide a container that clarifies the use of the illustrations without unnecessarily duplicating them. The approach being discussed doesn't seem to provide for the flexibility to use a grouping title. It also feels like the proposed approach could inflate the number of works attributed to a given artist. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:20, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The rules currently state that artwork is only supposed to be titled per the title of the work (story or publication). The above is relaxing that rule to match how things generally are done. I'm fine adding an additional relaxation for "series" artwork as I agree combining maps makes sense. But if you are both objecting to any change, then you should realize your way of handling maps is not valid per the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:11, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The current standard for Maps - "Maps. These are considered interior art for ISFDB purposes and are typed as INTERIORART. The format for titling maps is "<b>Title of Work (map)</b>", for example: Brightness Reef (map). Optionally, if a map is titled you can use the stated title of the map without appending the name of the work, for example The Land of Nehwon (map)." (emphasis added) I interpret work as inclusive (publication, series, or story). <br />
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:::Note the wording in [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk's]] proposal - "INTERIORART always get the title of the work it's illustrating. If the work does not illustrate any particular work, use the title of the <b>publication</b> the art appears in..." (emphasis added) The change from work to publication was the source of my objection. <br />
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:::If the original intent was for work to be synonymous with publication and story only, then I am indeed proposing a change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::Concerning illustrations (eg maps) repeated in multiple volumes (of a series), under the current rules there is always the possibility to variant titles. That will effectively tie them together - under the current rules there's no need to 'invent' a common title for use across a series.<br />
::::Mind that I'm not saying that we can't change the rules, but the change John's (and Phil's) proposing requires more discussion before (if) we can accept the change and can update the rules accordingly. What do we do with INTERIORART that has<br />
::::* a caption, artwork identical, and that caption is identical across the volumes of the series --> this is an easy one; use the caption. Will need a rules change, but per the discussion above I'm fairly certain everyone's OK with adding 'if it has a caption, you have the option to use it'<br />
::::* a caption, artwork identical, but captions differ between volumes? --> since we'd make the use of the caption optional, we could decide to either use the series' title instead, or go the variant route, using the different caption titles (this latter would be my preference, as that's common practice for variant work titles anyway)<br />
::::* no caption, artwork identical, --> either use the title of the work it illustrates and variant per the other volumes, or, use the series title instead<br />
::::* combination of the above - might not be common, but can't be excluded either imo<br />
::::and then I've not even touched John's example: how to write down the conditions to cover this case where there's a grouping of different maps involved, which are not identical across volumes?<br />
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::::Note that using the series title has its own challenges: what with series titles that change over the years? Are we going to go back and update all INTERIORART titles that were based on the old, no longer applicable, series title? What with series titles that we've "invented"? Those that are not to be found on or in the publication? Is using these "invented" titles for INTERIORART a good idea?<br />
::::Lastly, we're now having two topics to discuss: "optional usage of caption", "usage of series title". What do you say, split the discussion in two sub-discussions? (splitting would allow us to update the rules to at least allow usage of captions...) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:44, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Splitting it seems reasonable. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:06, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Numbering of pages numbered in the ToC but not numbered themselves ==<br />
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Please go read [[User talk:Nihonjoe#1634: The Bavarian Crisis|this discussion]] for background. Please keep comments here, though, since this discussion will be referred to regarding any outcome. <br />
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Here's the summary: For pages prior to the main content, we generally use the numbering found on the pages themselves (this is the same for all other content, too). In some cases, those pages don't have any numbering on the pages themselves. For those, we generally include the number of those pages in square brackets prior to the main page count. For example: "[12]+374" for a book that has 12 unnumbered pages of recordable content (maps, introductions, etc.) prior to the main content. In the case linked above, the table of contents gives Roman numerals to that content, so I used that in the numbering ("[x]+690+[3]") and included a note to that effect in the notes for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 publication]: "Although no roman numerals are printed on any pages, the Contents page lists Maps beginning on page viii."<br />
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The question is whether using the Roman numerals is what should be done here (and in other such cases). On the [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular Titles|Help:Screen:NewPub]] page, it states "Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." My understanding of this is that it's meant to prevent us from using the table of contents page numbers when they disagree with the actual page numbers (basically, when the publisher forgets to update the table of contents when a change is made that affects the page numbers). <br />
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However, I don't think it should be applied in this case since it's the reverse of what I believe the intention of that rule is. In this case, the pages themselves don't have any page numbers on them. Rather, the only place the page numbers are given is in the table of contents. Because of this, there's no disagreement between the actual page numbers (since there aren't any) and the table of contents.<br />
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So, let's sort this out. Should we completely ignore page numbers in the table of contents in ''all cases''? Are there cases (like the one described above and at that link) where we should use the information found in the table of contents? Is there something else that should be done?<br />
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Thanks for your input on this discussion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:02, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If I am reading this correctly, you are thinking that where [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular Titles|Help:Screen:NewPub]] says:<br />
:* Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents<br />
: it was actually originally meant to say something like:<br />
:* Caution: When a page number in the table of contents contradicts the page number in the body of the publication, use the page number in the body of the publication<br />
: Or, perhaps:<br />
:* Caution: If a Contents item doesn't have a page number within the body of the publication but has a page number in the table of contents, enter the latter in the Page Number field and put square brackets around the value<br />
: ? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:58, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the intent of it was the first one, as that's how I've always seen it applied in the past. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::The thread title misstates the fundamental problem. At question is the proper handling of unnumbered pages before page 1 which contain indexable content. Proper determination of the Pages field in the publication metadata is the source of contention. I maintain that this situation is addressed in bullet point 3, under Pages, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages here]. [[User:Nihonjoe]] argues that Arabic numerals are not required and Roman numerals may be used instead. I see nothing in the help which allows this. The help specifically calls for Arabic numerals. The proper entry for the page field of each content title flows directly from the publication Pages field. <br />
:::If we decide that Roman numerals are appropriate, bullet points 2 and 3 will need to be completely rewritten. Of course I will support any consensus decision. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Sorry if it was confusing for you, but that wasn't my intent. Perhaps the title of this discussion isn't as clear as you would prefer, but the post itself is very clear. I was trying to be concise as really long section titles can be cumbersome. <br />
::::Regarding the rest of your comment, it really depends on the definition of "unnumbered" since I'm arguing that the ToC ''does'' number the pages since it has page numbers and the pages themselves do not. We need to determine if the ToC can ''absolutely never'' be used for any page numbers, or if (as I'm arguing in this case) it can be used for those page numbers when the ToC has them but the pages do not have them and the page numbers cannot be derived from surrounding pages that ''do'' have page numbers. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:51, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I think that using the numbers from the table of contents, with a note stating so, makes more sense in this case than inventing new numbers and discarding information printed in the book. I've always read this part of the help in the same way as you - it is there to define what to use when the actual book and the contents page disagree not to prohibit using the TOC when it is the only source.<br />
: With this being said, I can see the other side of the argument (for consistency sake if nothing else) - but my gut feeling is to go with what is printed in the book itself. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:08, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) I am in Annie's camp. I don't have strong feelings about this, other than I think from a database user's perspective, it would be somewhat strange to have content listed as on "[7]" when the TOC says it is on "v". My inclination is to adjust the "Caution" wording slightly to say that page numbers should be taken from the numbers printed on each content item's page, not from the TOC. Then in the "Pages without a printed page number" section add a bullet stating that if the page is given a number in the TOC, that number should be treated as if printed on the page, as long as not in conflict with numbering printed on other pages or with the number of physical pages in the publication. Something like that. That should be compatible with the other rules, page count determinations, etc. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::My only real problem with using a Roman numeral found only in the ToC is that if a reader were to pick up the book, look at the ToC, and try to go to that page, they couldn't find it using the page reference. No matter what, there definitely needs to be note describing the situation. More than anything, I would just like a well-stated, clear rule to apply. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:34, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I definitely agree. Having a note in these cases is very important. Having a clear and concise guideline is as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:29, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unintend) Let me clarify a couple of things. We are currently discussing ''Unnumbered pages within a range of unnumbered pages'' scenarios. Help currently says:<br />
* If a content starts on an unnumbered page within a range of unnumbered pages, its page number should first be derived and then entered in squared brackets. The page number can be derived by counting forward from the first page of the section of unnumbered pages. For example, if a content appears on the fifth page in a range of unnumbered pages, enter "[5]". <br />
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If I understand it correctly, the proposal under consideration would add a sub-rule after the second sentence, something like:<br />
* If the table of contents specifies the page number where the content starts AND that page number matches the number derived by counting forward, then use the numerals (i.e. Arabic or Roman) found in the table of contents. If the page number in the table of contents doesn't match the number derived by counting forward, then use the number derived and Arabic numerals.<br />
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The caveat after the capitalized "AND" above would be presumably needed to account for situations where the page number in the table of contents doesn't match the number derived by counting forward since we all know how bad tables of contents can be (my "favorite" example is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28666 here].)<br />
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Am I reading this correctly? Also, will this affect ''Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages'' scenarios which are covered by a separate Help paragraph? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:12, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Very close to an edit conflict with Ahasuerus.<br />
:Ahasuerus: Your understanding of the discussion re: ''Unnumbered pages within a range of unnumbered pages'' is correct. The situation of ''Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages'' has not yet been considered.<br />
:What follows below is what I had prepared to say before Ahasuerus jumped in first. :-) [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:58, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::The ISFDb rules already have a method for assigning page numbers to unnumbered pages that are not derivable by counting forwards / backwards, namely, the use of Arabic numerals in square brackets. So we don't need to resort to a secondary source for the page number. The way Pages are denoted in the ISFDb is already horrendously complicated and if we adopt the use of Roman numeral page numbers from the ToC where no number is printed on the actual page then we introduce further complications and also open other cans of worms. Examples:<br />
::1) Should the Roman numeral be enclosed in square brackets? This is currently not supported in the ISFDb rules.<br />
::2) Suppose a map is on an unnumbered page that is derivable by counting backwards (page 4, say) but the ToC lists it on page iv? What do we do? [Ahasuerus' proposed sub-rule addresses this case]<br />
::3) Suppose there is an article on an unnumbered page that is not recordable in the Contents section but the ToC lists it with a Roman numeral page number? What do we do?<br />
::If we use page numbers from the ToC then all the consequences and implications need to be considered and documented.<br />
:: I am in favour of not using page numbers from the ToC where no number is printed on the actual page.<br />
::Whichever way this goes:<br />
::i) the Help notes need updating to clarify what to do<br />
::ii) a pub note definitely needs to be added to explain the discrepancy and the Help notes should state this. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:59, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Here are a few questions using the publication which caused me to raise this issue, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 The Bavarian Crisis]. Pages: '[x]+690+[3]'. L-O-C '690' pages<br />
:::* Is anyone else concerned that the Pages field will differ from all secondary sources? (L-O-C in the above example). When we use bracketed Arabic numerals it's an obvious ISFDB construct. <br />
:::* Looking at my copy, viii is the only Roman numeral in the TOC. I assume [x], brackets addressed by [[User:Teallach|Teallach]], is a count of the total pages before page 1. This differs from how we presently deal with Roman numerals. Should the Pages field be 'viii+690+[3] or would that be another explanation in the help section?<br />
:::* I repeat for emphasis [[User:Teallach|Teallach's]] point 3.<br />
:::* The Pages field will become impossible for a reviewer to confirm unless they own the publication or there is a scan available. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Regarding each point:<br />
::::*Our page counts already often differ from those at many secondary sources. Whether the bracketed numerals are Arabic or Roman doesn't make our way of listing page numbers any less an "obvious ISFDB construct". There are a number of things we do here which can be confusing to people outside of ISFDB (the whole CHAPBOOK thing, for example). In this case, the only reason I put the Roman numerals in brackets was because the pages themselves are not numbered, and we'd do the same thing if they were completely unnumbered (meaning no mention of page numbers in the ToC or on the pages themselves).<br />
::::*The [x] is the total number of unnumbered valid content pages, derived from counting forward and backward from the one page number mentioned in the ToC for the pre-story content. Since the pages themselves didn't have any actual page numbers on them, but the page number for one of the pages was listed in the ToC, I used that. <br />
::::*I don't really understand what Teallach means by "Suppose there is an article on an unnumbered page that is not recordable in the Contents section but the ToC lists it with a Roman numeral page number? What do we do?" If the content is not recordable, then we don't include the content, regardless of whether it appears in the ToC or not, and regardless of whether it has page numbers or not. We do include the page numbers, however (for example, if there's an "Acknowledgements" or an "About the Author", and the pages were numbered, we'd include them in the page count but wouldn't record the content as a separate title. I would also include a note explaining the situation. <br />
::::*Unless a reviewer has a copy of the publication (whether physical or a PDF or scan of the publication in question), they wouldn't be able to confirm anything anyway. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this concern, but it seems like a non-concern from how I'm reading it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:24, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::This pending edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5796089, relates to this discussion. Is the way I entered numbers the way it's been decided they're supposed to be done? Because it does mention "179" on contents page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:49, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Nihonjoe: here is an example to clarify my point 3).<br />
::::::The text of a novel starts on a page with a printed number of 1 and finishes on a page with a printed number of 999. There are ten unnumbered pages in the book before the start of the novel. A one page "About the Author" article appears on the fifth of these pages. The ToC lists the "About the Author" article and assigns it a page number of v.<br />
::::::Now, we don't record the "About the Author" article in the Contents section but what do we put in the publication Pages field? The possibilities seem to be 999 or v+999 or [v]+999 [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:54, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::I'd do either v+999 or [v]+999 (depending on if we want to count the ToC assigning a page number as "numbered" or "unnumbered"), unless the "About the Author" is multiple pages, and then I'd extend the Roman numeral count accordingly. In your example, I'm assuming there is no other content, recordable or otherwise, outside of the "About the Author" section? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:39, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::I was not looking for a solution to the example. I just provided it to clarify my case 3 because you said you did not really understand it. At this stage of the proceedings I do not consider it appropriate to start working solutions to the three cases I raised, firstly because they will not be relevant if the consensus is that we do not use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves and secondly because we risk losing focus on the main issue. The existing rules for Pages are already very complicated. If we do use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves then all those cases I described (plus possibly others that I and other editors / moderators have not thought of or raised yet) will need to be discussed, agreed upon and have additional rules added to the Help Notes on Pages to deal with them. This will make the rules for Pages even more complicated. I am very much against doing this unless it is necessary because the more complicated the rules are, the easier it is for editors and moderators to make mistakes. In this situation, it is not necessary. In my opinion, it's not even desirable. If we decide to not use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves then we just need to add one sentence to this effect to the Help Notes and we are done. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 25 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I don't think it's a major change either way. Printed page numbering directs how we record the page number and the count of pages in the block where the numbered page appears. For pages with no numbers, either we always count and always use Arabic numerals, or we allow pages to be considered numbered by proxy via the TOC first, before defaulting to the counting + Arabic numeral scheme. Use of the TOC, however, would need some kind of caveat to cover the case where a TOC is reprinted from a different format edition without adjustment and does not match the layout (similar to copyright page/printing statement handling). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:14, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Other Missing Values on the Title Page ===<br />
It occurs to me that the "no page number on the title page" is related to other "missing values on the title page" scenarios.<br />
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What do we do if a story or an essay doesn't have a title printed on the title page, but the information appears elsewhere within the publication, e.g. in the table of contents? [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]] says:<br />
* For short stories, essays and poems, when working from a primary source, always take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins. The title shown in/on the table of contents, running page headers, index, front cover of the publication, secondary bibliography, or a promotional website listing is secondary.<br />
However, what does "secondary" mean in this case? Does it mean that we can use "secondary" titles if no title is given on the title page? If so, then we should spell it out and also explain the hierarchy of "fallback scenarios", e.g. whether the version in the "running page header" should be used before the version in the table of contents.<br />
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Similarly, what do we do if a story or an essay has no author credit? In most cases we use "uncredited", but [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]] allows an exception:<br />
* If an individual work doesn't have an author credit, which is common in single-author collections, use the form of the author's name stated on the publication's main title page.<br />
Essays whose authors sign their names at the end -- as opposed to on the title page -- are another de facto exception since we typically enter the signed names in the "Author(s)" field.<br />
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These scenarios are similar to "missing page number" scenarios in that they provide alternative values -- sometimes documented in Help and sometimes undocumented -- that editors use to populate "Title" and "Author(s)" fields. I am thinking that we should start by clarifying the current rules and bringing then up to date before we start changing the rules for page numbers. For authors, it could be something like:<br />
* For Content entries, the order of locations to take author names from is:<br />
*# The title page if author name(s) are present<br />
*# The last page of the content item if signed by the author(s)<br />
*# For single-author collections only, the publication's main title page<br />
*# If none of the locations listed above list author name(s), enter "uncredited"<br />
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For titles, we will also want to clarify where the pub's main title should come from if the pub has no title page, which is increasingly common with independently published books. I have been using what's printed on the cover, but we really need to spell out what the hierarchy should be.<br />
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Once we clearly document the current de facto standard for titles and authors, it should be easier to decide what to do with page numbers. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:00, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Don't forget TOC :). Not to start down a rat hole, but I believe we also don't follow strict order once the preferred location fails to provide a value. E.g., if TOC used one name and last page used another, and one was canonical, we'd likely use that. Anyway, it also sounds like we need to distinguish the "secondary" that is from-the-pub-but-not-in-the-official-place from "secondary" that is from-somewhere-other-than-the-pub. Perhaps "fallback" for the former? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 22:12, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have run [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=untitled&type=Fiction+Titles a few database searches] and it looks like we use the following values for works without a title:<br />
:::* "Untitled" -- note the capitalization -- e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1732839 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1722146 this poem]<br />
:::* "untitled" -- all lowercase -- e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?270431 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1337411 this poem]<br />
:::* "Untitled" or "untitled" followed by the first few words in the body of the work in parentheses, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566996 Untitled ("1.6: These texts are a book about the people and their Gods ...")] (SHORTFICTION) or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2913627 untitled ("A gate in rubble")] (POEM)<br />
:::* "Untitled" or "untitled" followed by a short description of the work, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1851523 "(Untitled Congratulations to Isaac Asimov)"]<br />
:::* The same as immediately above except disambiguated, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1951605 "(untitled editorial) (ERB-dom, June 1973)"]<br />
:::* "[Untitled]" or "[untitled]", e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2846492 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1081917 this poem]<br />
:::* "(Untitled)" or "(untitled"), e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1405437 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1405439 this poem]<br />
:::* The same as immediately above except disambiguated, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2034496 (untitled) (Twisted #4, Summer 1987)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2034510 (untitled) (Twisted #4, Summer 1987) [2\]]<br />
::: So a lot of different scenarios, all of them revolving around the use of "untitled". I don't think we have this de facto standard documented anywhere, do we? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:34, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I believe for poems we also sometimes use the first line, or portion thereof, in quotes (without "untitled"). I believe I have done it, and I don't recall from where I got the practice. Of course, I believe lots of things.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:06, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Relating to the third item in the listing of the order of locations to take author names from: I think it would be meaningful to also add novels to this item (to use the publication's main title page), in case there are forewords, prefaces, notes worthy to add, all of which are unsigned but obviously written by the author(s) of the novel. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:34, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kindle Vella - In or Out? ==<br />
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We have two previous discussions I can find ([[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Kindle_Vella_ASINs|this one]] and [[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive51#New_Amazon_service_-_Kindle_Vella|this one]]), neither of which seemed to come to any conclusion. Do we want to include them as ebooks, or do they not count as ebooks since they can only be viewed within the Kindle app or on an actual Kindle device? Would they be considered serials? They seem to be a bit outside the norm for what we accept here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:19, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Note: I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5764527 this submission] on hold pending the outcome of this discussion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The first [[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Kindle_Vella_ASINs|linked discussion]] petered out when we couldn't find a way to download Vella files. As I wrote at the time:<br />
::* With regular e-books that you purchase on Amazon, you go to "Manage Your Content and Devices", then "Digital Content", then "Books". When the desired book is displayed in the list, click "More Actions" on the right. In the pop-up list select "Download & transfer via USB" and click "Download". This will download the book as an azw3 file.<br />
::* When you follow the same steps for a Vella serial, you get to the last step, but the "Download" button is grayed out. Instead you get a "You do not have any compatible devices registered for this content. Buy a Kindle or get the free Kindle reading app." I haven't been able to find a way around it. Ahasuerus 16:49, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: You then responded with:<br />
::* That's probably due to Vella still being in beta. I haven't been able to figure out how to do it, either. I'll keep trying different ways. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:05, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Any luck since then? I haven't touched Vella, so I am out of the loop. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:28, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I haven't really tried since then. I don't like Vella myself. It's a pain to use and there's not enough there that interests me enough to make a concerted effort to try to figure it out. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small><br />
::::One of the books I recently added to the DB is also published on Kindle Vella. I tried in vain to find the the release dates for each chapter but gave it up as a wasted effort. If we can't get critical data like the publishing date, I'd say Out. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:02, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Yeah, Amazon has not made it easy to figure out anything regarding Vella works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:04, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::And I'd say Out as well, until the releases are collected into something which has identifying information and a release date. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:12, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted" ==<br />
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[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Moondust This Community Portal discussion] got me thinking. [[Template:TitleFields:WebPage]] starts with:<br />
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* '''Web Page''' - A field for the URL of a Web page related to this title. Examples of related Web pages include '''legally posted''' versions of the title's text [emphasis added]<br />
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Our goal when originally crafting this Help template was to make sure that we wouldn't become a hub for links to unauthorized copies of texts still under copyright protection. The Help language seemed self-explanatory at the time, but how can our editors tell whether a "version of the title's text" has been "legally posted"? For example, the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page] justifies the fact that they host copyrighted works without permission as follows:<br />
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: This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.”<br />
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As I pointed out on the Community Portal, that's an odd interpretation of the copyright law:<br />
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: The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.<br />
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: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. <br />
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This stuff can get confusing very quickly, so I think we need a set of unambiguous rules that editors and moderators could use when deciding whether to add/approve a link to a third party-hosted text.<br />
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In addition, the fact that we currently link both to the US-based Project Gutenberg and to [http://gutenberg.net.au/ Project Gutenberg Australia] -- which use different copyright rules and have different sets of texts available for download -- suggests that we interpret "legally posted" to mean "legally posted in the jurisdiction where the third party Web site is hosted". We may want to make it explicit in the template. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:49, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree that making it more clear in our documentation will be a good thing. I think we should generally avoid linking to full scans in cases where the item in question may not be in the public domain. This might mean removing some archive.org links as their track record of making sure things are in the public domain is questionable. On the other hand, they do act more like a library in that (generally) things that are not in the public domain can either be browsed on the site in a limited fashion or checked out for a specific amount of time for more lengthy review. Luminist does not do that. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:44, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Or how about not taking any links down unless a specific individual asks ISFDB to do that? Archive.org links over the last 3 years that I've added, several thousand by now probably, are mostly still working when I happen across them later on to update info but occasionally I'll click a link and there will be that message about the upload being taken down; could be lots of reasons and probably they do get complaints now and then from Harlan Ellison types who think they own everything but most (living) authors don't care with many glad to see their works available to such a wide audience because in many cases publishers have no interest in reprinting their books. Many (most, probably) copies on Archive.org are ex-library and often not in the best condition with people clearly donating them instead of tossing them in the trash because they know how hard many of the books are to find these days and they want people to be able to read them. I recently did some more MZB Sword and Sorceress edits after doing a lot of them long ago and noticed that 3 links to volumes in that series I added back then had been taken down so I removed those links since all 3 had one other copy also linked; they all had the kind of URL where it's obvious that someone uploaded the books themselves, not the typical Archive URL for books they digitized, so maybe somebody asked them to take their copies down. The issues of copyright around Marion Zimmer Bradley's works are notorious and can easily be read about online; one wishes her trustees cared less about protecting/profiting off her works and more about her (and her husband's) history re: children but that's another story. So that's my suggestion - let the Internet Archive handle requests to take certain books down, which they are clearly willing to do if someone asks them, and let ISFDB stay out of it and remain solely a research site. If anyone comes across a record with a link that's no longer working, just remove it. If you allow users of this site to decide what should be taken down you're going to create a huge mess with people taking down links to authors they don't like or links added by editors they don't like and I don't think anyone wants that. I'd still like the Moondust edit to be un-rejected if that's possible but if not at least people now know where to go if they want to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:25, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Let's first try to determine if there are areas that we all agree on. I can think of two scenarios that unambiguously fall under the "legally posted" clause of [[Template:TitleFields:WebPage]]:<br />
:::* Links to texts that have been made available by the copyright holder. ("Copyright holder" is important because in certain cases it may not be the same as the author.)<br />
:::* Links to texts that are out of copyright in the jurisdiction where the linked site is located. (The qualifier is important since copyright laws are different in different countries.) We could also add links either to our Wiki pages or to third party Web page explaining how to determine whether a given text is out of copyright in common jurisdictions.<br />
::: This leaves us with texts that are still under copyright in the jurisdiction where the linked Web site resides, but the site owner claims some kind of exemption, whether it "fair use", "libraries and archives" or something else. The problem here is that it's hard to tell if the claimed exemption is (a) really in compliance with the relevant laws and (b) whether the site owner accurately represents the site's position on copyright.<br />
::: Apparently the legality of ''linking'' to illegally posted copyrighted material has been an area of active litigation both in the US, where "contributory copyright infringement" is illegal (but the details are complicated -- see [https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/linking-copyrighted-materials this article for a high level overview]), and in Europe (see [https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=af0557cd-6f40-4509-bc8f-30538a14bf14 this discussion]).<br />
::: A recent example of how these things can go is Anna's Archive, i.e. annas-archive.org. When it appeared about a year ago, I poked around, found literally millions of copyrighted books and articles and immediately wondered whether it was legal. More digging discovered that they apparently had two lines of defense. First, they stated that:<br />
:::* We do not host any copyrighted materials here. We are a search engine, and as such only index metadata that is already publicly available. When downloading from these external sources, we would suggest to check the laws in your jurisdiction with respect to what is allowed. We are not responsible for content hosted by others.<br />
::: Second, they had a DMCA page which let copyright owners request that links be taken down.<br />
::: I wasn't sure whether it would be enough to make the site legal in most jurisdictions, but I am not an expert.<br />
::: Fast forward to January 2024 and we have [https://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-news/annas-archive-blocked-following-publishers-protest-over-piracy-accusations this 2024-01-08 report]:<br />
:::* On December 4, 2023, the Italian Publishers Association (AIE) filed a copyright complaint against Anna’s Archive. [snip] AIE’s complaint cites over 30 books, emphasizing that this is just a glimpse of the content distributed by Anna’s Archive to which its members hold rights. [snip]<br />
:::* With no counterclaims from the contacted parties and clear evidence of mass infringement, an order was issued to Italian ISPs to disable https://annas-archive.org through a DNS block within 48 hours. Visitors to the site are now met with a blocking page in Italian.<br />
::: Granted, we don't position ourselves as a "search engine for ''shadow libraries''" the way Anna's Archive does, so we are in a somewhat different position. However, if we end up with hundreds or thousands of links to Web pages whose legality we can't easily determine, we may find ourselves in a legally questionable situation. It may be safer to simply stay away from sites of that nature. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:13, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: There is a very big difference between hosting content and linking to someone else's hosted content. It is unreasonable to expect our editors and moderators to be expert enough to evaluate sites' legal claims. I think our policy should be something like: "Only links to content legally posted in the host site's jurisdiction are permitted, but the ISFDB is not qualified to make legality assessments. If ISFDB becomes aware of legal action resulting in the suspension or prohibition of a site's display of certain content, links to that site's posting of the content will be removed until the matter is resolved, or permanently, according to the circumstances." And then provide a mechanism to notify the ISFDB of host site legal issues/legal challenges to a site's posting(s). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:51, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::There are currently a large number of edits in the queue adding links. Should these be held/skipped pending the results of this discussion? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:36, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: It looks like the consensus is that archive.org links are OK to add. By default, archive.org only lets you access copyrighted books' metadata, cover images and the first few pages of the text, which is similar to what Amazon's Look Inside does. You have to join their [https://help.archive.org/help/borrowing-from-the-lending-library/ "Lending Library" program] in order to be able to "check out" books. The legality of the LL program is currently [https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/11/23868870/internet-archive-hachette-open-library-copyright-lawsuit-appeal under review by the courts] and the last brief that I know of was [https://www.eff.org/cases/hachette-v-internet-archive filed on 2023-12-15]. As long as archive.org remains a legitimate organization and complies with relevant court orders, linking to its Web pages shouldn't be an issue for us. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:15, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::One other thing we could do is maintain a list of sites to which ISFDB has chosen to prohibit any content links (sort of a complement to the deep-linking-permitted list) due to concerns with the site's general compliance with applicable copyright laws. That should be clear for everyone, and the software could help enforce it. ISFDB is under no obligation to permit links, so legal precision is not necessary. There could be some transparent process for managing entries on the list (e.g., an R&S discussion with a definitive conclusion required). We could have some general guidelines for what does or does not merit being on the list. For example, we might decide that sites engaged in good-faith copyright protection and infringement dispute resolution -- e.g., such as Google Books, Internet Archive, and Project Gutenberg -- are not candidates despite any specific infringement complaints, while sites subject to multiple complaints and not obviously engaged in protection management and infringement dispute resolution -- e.g., such as the Anna's Archive example above -- are candidates. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:09, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::::I agree. Anna's Archive (and the once-popular site Ocean of PDF and all the others, many probably run by the same people under different names) pretends to be aboveboard but they're really just a dumping ground for pirated e-books and their download page is a list of shady sites, users being encouraged to become members if they want faster downloads, including the infamous LibGen that encourage bulk torrent downloads that are certainly not being used just for some light reading. Any site that has individual pages for each work, Archive.org, Luminist, Galactic Journey, etc. should be acceptable. Any site which mentions bulk or torrent or anything similar is a no-no. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::::Speaking of which, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_webpage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=oceanofpdf&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], I did a search for webpages with oceanofpdf and those 2 links were added by Zapp in 2023. I think they should be removed and, if you do decide to make a blacklist, Ocean of PDF should be on it, not only because of pirating but because it's virus city and you don't want anyone clicking on a link and screwing up their computer. There's no viruses on Archive.org or any of the other legit sites mentioned above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:35, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::::: The topic is expressly the Web Page field, but does all of this apply to recording the site or document in a Note field? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:40, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: I don't think different displayed fields -- Notes, Web Pages, etc -- should be treated differently for the purposes of this discussion if they link to the same third party Web sites. Notes are somewhat harder to control in the software, but that's a technical issue as opposed to a legal/policy one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:16, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== A blacklist/whitelist-based solution ===<br />
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After mulling it over, I think a "blacklist"-based solution would be viable or at least a good first step. It would require three components:<br />
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* A couple of new Bureaucrat menu options to add, edit and delete blacklisted domain names like annas-archive.org, oceanofpdf.com, etc<br />
* A new yellow warning to be displayed when a submission tries to link to one of the blacklisted sites<br />
* A new nightly cleanup report to find links to blacklisted sites, which will automatically flag records once a domain is added to the blacklist<br />
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A similar whitelist of "known legitimate sites" like Project Gutenberg, Google Books, archive.org, etc would also be useful. If we implement it, we should be able to create another yellow warnings for links to domains that are not on the whitelist and may require additional digging.<br />
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Re: viruses, you are much more likely to run into them when accessing well-known illegitimate Web domains, but, unfortunately, there are no guarantees on the internet. When authors (or other people/organizations) stop paying for domain names, they become up for grabs. At that point it's anyone's guess whether they may end up in the hands of spammers, criminals, etc. Swapping this information with SFE and deleting bad links is part of what I do in the background. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:30, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I like the idea of creating a blacklist and a whitelist. I think both should require some sort of documentation supporting the addition to either list, even if that documentation is only visible to bureaucrats or admins (so that they have some sort of reference as to why a specific domain was added to one or the other). It may be good to have a "last reviewed" field, too, so we can somehow indicate when a site's inclusion on one or the other list was last reviewed (since, as you said, domain names can be picked up by someone else if the original/most recent owner chooses to not renew the domain). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I can see how a "Note" field would be a useful addition to the proposed table of blacklisted sites. Its contents could be made available to moderators reviewing the proposed cleanup report. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created {{FR|1590}}, "Create a blacklist of disallowed third party domain names". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:38, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Clarifying editor data entry rules in Help ==<br />
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Earlier today an ISFDB editor pointed out that [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] does not explicitly tell you what to put in the "Author" field for MAGAZINE publications. [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]], which is transcluded in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]], says: <br />
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* If it is an ANTHOLOGY, multi-author OMNIBUS, or multi-author work of NONFICTION, credit the editor as the "author" of the publication.<br />
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but doesn't mention MAGAZINEs or FANZINEs. I am thinking that we should add something like:<br />
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* For MAGAZINEs and FANZINEs, credit the issue editor as the "author" of the publication. Note that for non-genre MAGAZINEs/FANZINEs, "Editors of PERIODICAL NAME" may be used instead of some or all editor names if they are unknown or unclear or not of genre interest -- see [[Help:Entering non-genre periodicals]] for details.<br />
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How does it sound? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:10, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Sounds right to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:39, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:39, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, it does fill out a very minor hole in the rules, but it will actually be helpful in some cases. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:59, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Clarifying editor data entry rules in Help ===<br />
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[[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] has been updated with the proposed language. Thanks, folks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:49, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Currency codes ==<br />
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Recently I uploaded records for an Estonian book from the Soviet Union, which cost SUR 1.40. Soviet rubles SUR were in use from 1961–1991, Russian rubles RUR were in use from 1992-1997, and now the new Russian Ruble RUB is in use since RUR was devalued to RUB at a rate of 1000 to 1.<br />
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Similarly I uploaded a Bulgarian book whose cover price said "2 лв" meaning 2 levs. But there is no single Bulgarian currency. BGJ was used 1881-1952, BGK from 1952–1962, BGL from 1962-1999, and BGN is used now since 1991.<br />
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The thing is, a currency is NOT a currency just because it has the same name. The US, Canadian, and Australian dollars are not all just dollars just because they use the word "dollar" or the dollar sign "$". Estonia na SUR, then EEK, now EUR. In that case, the names changed too (ruble > kroon > euro). In Bulgaria the word "lev" applies to BGJ and BGK and BGL and BGN, but despite the name they ''aren't'' the same currency and if our database doesn't have the correct currency for a publication then the currency field is essentially worthless apart from USD and CAD and so on. <br />
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ISFDB isn't a pricing database, but its information really must be accurate. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217 ISO 4217] for currency codes.<br />
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I cannot find an actual link to an actual list of Rules and Standard, but I entered BGL when I uploaded the book and one of the admins changed it to BGN, which is simply not correct. If Bulgaria were to give up the lev and take up the euro, would we change all the BGNs to EUR? No; so we should not change BGL to BGN. [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 11:19, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Do you have a link to the publication that was changed? Also, you can find a list of currently-supported currencies at [[Help:List of currency symbols]]. Yopu're welcome to propose additions to the list, too, if there are some we should have but which aren't on that list. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:39, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?988614 Here is it]. And the change and explanation about why was shared on the Editor's page together with the links to the help page. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: This topic has come up a number of times. The longest Rules and Standards discussions were in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Currency_information_in_prices.2C_reprise July 2013] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive15#Prices_and_weird_currencies_-_reading_verification_needed... June-July 2017]. Here is what I wrote about the challenges associated with using ISO codes instead of currency symbols in 2017:<br />
:::* ... the ISO standard assigns a new code when a currency is revalued, so the code for the Mexican peso changed from "MXP" to "MXN" when the peso was replaced with the "new peso" ("nuevo peso") in 1993. In 1997 the word "nuevo" was dropped, so it's now back to just "peso". However, the ISO code has remained "MXN". If we were to use ISO codes, what should an editor do when entering an undated Mexican books whose price is listed as "100 peso"? Depending on whether it was published prior to 1993 or after 1996, the correct ISO code should be either MXP or MXN, something that most of us couldn't determine without a fair amount of digging.<br />
:::* To go back to the Russian example, the ISO code for the Soviet ruble was "SUR". When the USSR was dissolved at the end of 1991, the code was retired. It was replaced with "RUR" (later "RUB" as per the discussion above) for the Russian ruble and "BYB" for the Belarusian ruble. The latter was replaced with "BYR" in 2000 and then with "BYN" in 2016.<br />
::: For a bibliographic database like ISFDB to keep track of these changes over many decades and even centuries would be very time-consuming and not the best way to spend editor time.<br />
::: One possible "low-hanging fruit" enhancement would be to update the mouse-over bubbles that we display for prices. They currently say things like "Lev: Bulgarian lev". We could update them to say things like "Lev: Bulgarian lev. ISO codes: BGJ in 1881-1952, BGK in 1952–1962, BGL in 1962-1999, BGN since 1991". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:40, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Appendices ==<br />
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The other day [[User:Elysdir]] added the following paragraph to [[Template:TitleFields:Title]]:<br />
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* ''Appendices''. If the page where the work begins includes a phrase like "Appendix A", then include that phrase in the work's title. For example: "Appendix B: Ashima Slade and the Harbin-Y Lectures: Some Informal Remarks Toward the Modular Calculus, Part Two".<br />
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I am moving the proposed language to the Rules and Standards page to see what other editors think of it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:02, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for moving this here! I should note that before I made that change, I did a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=Appendix&type=All+Titles title search on “Appendix”] and found that a large majority of the appendix titles in ISFDB (in cases where there’s more than one appendix) use the format that I mentioned. (The advanced-search version of that search shows all 900+ titles.) There are only three titles in those search results that use the format “(Appendix A) Title”, and hundreds that use the format “Appendix A: Title” (or “Appendix 1: Title” or “Appendix I: Title” or “Appendix One: Title” or etc). So my writeup was an attempt to document what I was (incorrectly) assuming was an existing policy, rather than an attempt to make new policy. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 14:46, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I prefer the use of a colon as it is better at indicating the wording is part of the title. When I see parentheses, my brain interprets it as something not part of the title but used to clarify or disambiguate. So, I support this proposed wording. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:06, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: Yeah, I prefer using : as well - and we do use that for subtitles elsewhere so it also makes sense. And Appendices with no other title should be followed by the title of the work in brackets (we may as well throw that to complete the rule although it derives from the standard naming of essays). So "Appendix B: The making of a world" if the title is there and "Appendix B (Book title) if it just say "Appendix B". That will also make it easier to determine when there was a printed title. The corner case is when the title is printed in brackets on the page itself (which the Appendix B part is not... not sure if we want a : there or to ignore the brackets or what we want to do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:50, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Just to make sure we are on the same page: when you wrote "brackets", did you mean "[]" (aka "square brackets") or "()" (aka "parentheses")? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:52, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::: Sigh. Parentheses - I meant parentheses :) I usually use square brackets for [] to make sure it is clear which ones I mean and I do not always remember that () have their own word. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:55, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) A couple of questions/clarifications.<br />
* The proposed language is ''a phrase like "Appendix A"''. Would this be limited to the word "Appendix" or would it also cover alternative terms like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=starts_with&TERM_1=Addendum&C=AND&USE_2=title_ttype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=ESSAY&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title "Addendum] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=starts_with&TERM_1=appendices&C=AND&USE_2=title_ttype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=ESSAY&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title Appendices]? Some currently use parentheses, some use colons and some say things like "Addendum to Whirligig World". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Others may well have better answers, but I thought I might as well comment here: although I didn’t say this in my proposed language, I was focused specifically on the case where the appendices have individual subtitles as well as the general title of “Appendix A”. (So my language should be updated to say that; see below.) I was assuming that when a title consists entirely of a standard book-section name, it should follow the disambiguation rule at the end of that page, in the “"Standard" titles” paragraph: “you should parenthetically append the container title (title of the novel, collection, anthology, etc) to the title of the essay, i.e. "<generic essay title> (<container title>)" in order to create a unique title”. So for cases where there’s an addendum that’s just titled “Addendum”, I would use the format “Addendum (<container title>)”, which is also what the majority of those existing cases that you linked to already use. In the rare case where addenda also have their own individual subtitles, I would use the colon format, as demonstrated by the existing item “Addendum 1: Description of Maps”. And I would expect that the title “Appendices” by itself would also be covered by the “"Standard" titles” rule: “Appendices (A Magic of Twilight)”.<br />
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:: So maybe another way to approach this appendix-title guidance would be to reframe it as a sub-guideline of the “"Standard" titles” guidance. At the end of the page, after the “"Standard" titles” paragraph, we could say something like this (phrasing could use some further polishing):<br />
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:: ''Standard titles with specific subtitles''. If the title consists entirely of a standard title, then use the standard titles guidance above. (Examples: “Appendices (A Magic of Twilight)”; “Appendix B (A Galaxy Unknown)”; “Introduction (50 in 50)”.) But if the title starts with a label for a standard section of a book (such as “Appendix” or “Addendum”) and then is followed by an individual subtitle for that specific section, then put a colon between the book-section name and the individual title. (Examples: “Appendix: Chronology of Technic Civilization”; “Appendix B: Closures and Openings”; “Introduction: 37 Divided by 3”.)<br />
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:: …Note that that framing does introduce a difference from how some existing ISFDB titles currently do things: it removes the quotation marks around the individual subtitle. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 20:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Perhaps I am not grasping some subtleties, but wouldn't the proposed approach be the same as what the ''Subtitles'' section of [[Template:TitleFields:Title]] currently says:<br />
:::* If the title has a subtitle, enter it, with a colon and a space used to separate the title from the subtitle. For example, the 1986 edition of George MacDonald's "Lilith" has "Lilith" on the title page, and below that, in a smaller font, "A Romance". This should be entered as "Lilith: A Romance".<br />
::: ? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:47, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I think it’s essentially the same guidance, yes, but applied in a different case. The subtitles guidance reads to me as being about the title and subtitle of a book, as opposed to a section. If instead of adding a new section, you would prefer to clarify the ''Subtitles'' section to say that it also applies to things like an appendix or an addendum, that would be fine with me. …My goal in all of this is to clarify to editors how they should format the titles and subtitles of appendices; I’m fine with any approach y’all want to take. (…And I apologize if I’m overstepping by participating in this discussion at all—if I should step back and just leave it to you folks to decide, let me know.) —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 15:47, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Oh, no, everyone is welcome to contribute to Rules and Standards discussions! Sometimes an outside perspective reveals that Help is unclear or that it doesn't account for a certain category of cases.<br />
::::: The current discussion is a good example. The first three paragraphs of [[Template:TitleFields:Title]], as currently written, are in the following order:<br />
:::::* Novels<br />
:::::* Subtitles<br />
:::::* Short fiction, essays and poems<br />
::::: The way they are ordered, it's possible to assume that the "Subtitles" paragraph only applies to novels, especially since the next 2 paragraphs (SERIALs and excerpts) have special rules for subtitles and disambiguators. However, I believe the intent was to apply the "Subtitles" rule to all other title types (that do not have explicitly stated exceptions) as well.<br />
::::: If my understanding is correct, then we may be able to eliminate this ambiguity by moving the "Subtitles" paragraph below the "Short fiction, essays and poems" paragraph. We should probably also move "Omnibuses, nonfiction, anthologies and collections", which is currently the 6th paragraph in this template, right below the "Novels" paragraph. That way the order would be:<br />
:::::* Novels<br />
:::::* Omnibuses, nonfiction, anthologies and collections<br />
:::::* Short fiction, essays and poems<br />
:::::* Subtitles<br />
:::::* SERIALs<br />
:::::* Excerpts<br />
:::::* Artwork<br />
:::::* Etc<br />
::::: The 4 paragraphs preceding the "Subtitles" paragraph would all use the same subtitle rule while the paragraphs following the "Subtitles" paragraphs would have special rules. We could also make it explicit in the language of the "Subtitles" paragraph. Would this work from your perspective? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:07, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I like this idea. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:35, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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* Some languages -- notably French -- use a space between a word and a trailing colon. We generally follow language-specific rules for non-English titles, so is it safe to assume that we would be using " :" as opposed to ":" for French titles? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Huh, interesting, I didn’t know that about French. Given that difference, I would expect that yes, we would use " : " instead of ": " in French titles. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 20:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Appendices - Outcome ===<br />
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Hearing no objection, I have re-ordered the first 4 paragraphs in [[Template:TitleFields:Title]] based on the order proposed above. One sentence was split into two for readability. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:47, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Secondary source artist credit in face of credit change over time ==<br />
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For full background, see [[User_talk:MartyD#Dixie_Ray]]. Different editions of a Ballantine ''Fahrenheit 451'' use the same cover art but credit the artist differently. This is what we know:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
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! ISBN !! Printing !! Date !! Artist credit<br />
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| 0-345-25027-3[-150] || 40th || 1975-12-00 || no credit at all<br />
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| 0-345-25027-3[-150] || 43rd || 1976-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 44th || 1977-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
|-<br />
| 0-345-27431-8 || 45th || 1977-11-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
|-<br />
| 0-345-27431-8 || 46th || 1978-08-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
|}<br />
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The later "Whistl'n" is canonical. The rules do not permit us to assign "uncredited" to the 40th's cover, but they do permit us to assign an identity using the later editions' credits as a secondary source. Which later edition's credit should we use here, the non-canonical "Whistlin'" or the canonical "Whistl'n"? Likely the 41st and 42nd printings will have either no credit or "Whistlin'". I'd really like to use "uncredited" to give a complete picture of the credit's evolution. It would be a little odd to have one or more earlier editions have the canonical credit, then have some later ones with a non-canonical credit, then even later ones "revert" to canonical (when in fact they progressed to canonical). For now I have gone with canonical, but I thought I'd raise the question to see if we should standardize on something else for this scenario.<br />
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Two further hypotheticals to consider: Suppose we only had the 40th (uncredited) and then entered the 43rd ("Whistlin'") and so went back and adjusted the 40th to use that. Now the 45th ("Whistl'n") gets entered, and its credit is determined to be the canonical form. What would we want done with the 40th's (now) non-canonical credit at that point? Likewise, suppose we had the 40th, then entered the 45th ("Whistl'n") and went back and adjusted the 40th to use that. Now the 43rd gets entered. What would we want done with the 40th's credit at that point? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:12, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Re: "I'd really like to use "uncredited" to give a complete picture of the credit's evolution."<br />
: As per [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] here is how I think we currently credit cover artists depending on what is in the publication:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
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! What is stated in the pub || What we enter in the "Artist" field<br />
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| Canonical name || Canonical name<br />
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| Alternate name || Alternate name (VT created)<br />
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| Initials || Canonical name if known<br />
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| Artist-specific symbol (sometimes a stylized version of the artist's initials) || Canonical name if known<br />
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| Signature, often illegible || Canonical name if known<br />
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| No explicit credit, but the artist's style is recognizable || The "Artist" field is left blank; Notes updated with the name of the artist and reason for attribution<br />
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| No explicit credit, but a secondary source credits the artist || Canonical name; Notes updated with the source<br />
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| No explicit credit, but the credit is implied, e.g. a small illustration may be reproduced as a credited INTERIORART work || Can be arguably considered a "secondary bibliographic source" for our purposes and treated as such, i.e. enter the canonical name in the "Artist" field and update Notes with the source<br />
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: This is a tricky decision tree diagram, which, admittedly, makes it hard to "give a complete picture of the credit's evolution". I think the underlying issue here is that it would be difficult to enter artist credits the way we enter author credits, i.e. "as stated in the pub". The main reason is that signatures, symbols and barely legible stylized initials are not something that can be easily captured as text.<br />
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: That being said, I think it would be beneficial to restructure [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] as a series of bullets to make it easier for new editors to parse. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:33, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::I understand the current rules call for canonical when the credit is taken from a secondary source, and that is what I did. It seems wrong to me in this case, however. For argument's sake, let's assume there is also no credit in the 41st printing and the credit in the 42nd is the alternate "Whistlin'". If all printings were recorded at the same time, we would have none/canonical -> none/canonical -> alternate -> alternate -> canonical -> canonical. If instead we entered them over time we would start with none -> none, then on discovering the "Whistlin'" we might change those to: non/canonical(1) -> none/canonical(1) -> canonical(1), with the first two citing the third as secondary source. Two printings later, we would discover "Whistl'n" and realize it should be canonical, so we'd VT the existing TITLE records and end up with: none/alternate -> none/alternate -> alternate -> alternate -> canonical(2). Someone would have to know to review all previous credits to see if they came from the publication or used the source of the now-alternate credit and in the latter case change them to the (new) canonical to match what would happen if we entered them all at the same time. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:05, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: I think we have somewhat of a grandfathered problem here. Our rules had been pretty straightforward for a long time - secondary credits of art use the canonical name. In our digital era, I'd argue that a scan that is proved to be of a certain printing should be considered primary source for this determination (and I think we had been applying it that way). However, as a practice we had often made an exception for this rule for later (and earlier) printings and even different formats altogether (audio/ebooks/paper had gotten credits based on the other formats) - we had often imported straight from the one we do know the credit for even if it is not using the canonical name because it is (usually) a good guess that most of these will match. Thus the conundrum now for the few credits where they do not match. <br />
::: We have two paths: enforce the rule as written OR come up with a language that allows us a bit of creativity: <i>"You can use the credit as found in a later or earlier printing if data for the current printing is not available, with a mandatory note on the exact source of the name used. That includes the usage of uncredited. The same applies for other formats sharing a cover (i.e. audiobooks which have only a cover and the artist may or may not be credited on it). Using the canonical name is always allowed in the cases of unknown credit (due to lack of source information or only secondary sources information) - with an appropriate note."</i>. Feel free to rewrite/change/argue. And if we are changing the rule, can we please make it more forceably requiring a note on the decision if you are not grabbing the name straight from the book - otherwise it is a nightmare to change a canonical name for example - I am sure we had created a lot of mistakes in the DB in the process of changing canonical names of artists simply by not knowing when a credit is a direct one and when a canonical is being used. <br />
::: I am leaning towards the second option - mainly because it is somewhat of a practice anyway (in the multi-formats) and it kinda covers this case here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:10, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Clarifying [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] ===<br />
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Going back to the issue of clarifying (as opposed to changing) what's currently stated in [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]], earlier this week an editor asked me if we could update the template language with what I wrote above to make the instructions more clear. Here is the proposed new language to be used when deciding what to enter in the "Artist" field:<br />
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* If the artist's canonical name is stated in the publication, enter it<br />
* If the artist's alternate name is states in the publication, enter it and make sure to create a Variant Title later<br />
* If the cover has the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has an artist-specific symbol, e.g. a stylized version of the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has a recognizable signature, enter the canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but a secondary source credits the artist, enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the credit is implied, e.g. a small section is reproduced as a credited INTERIORART work, treat it as a "secondary bibliographic source" scenario described above: enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
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Does this look right? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:01, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Looks good to me, though I'd put the two "e.g." parts in parentheses. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:56, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I agree on the parentheses. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Spot-checking [[Help:Screen:NewNovel]], I see that we use "e.g." inconsistently. In roughly one third of all cases we use parentheses while in the other two thirds we do not. Different grammar guides give contradictory advice. [https://apastyle.apa.org/style-grammar-guidelines/abbreviations/latin AP Style] requires the use of parentheses and a trailing comma, but ''Fowler's Modern English Usage'' does not. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:45, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I find it a lot more readable when the parentheses are there. It also simplifies the reading of the sentence for non-native speakers and we have quite a lot of them - the clearer we state things and the easier we make it for someone whose English may be shaky, the better IMO. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I would also move "If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution" to the bottom of the list and change it to " If the publication has no explicit artist credit and no secondary or implied credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution.". Otherwise it contradicts the next 2 rules in case of a recognizable artist and secondary credit for example. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: That's a very good point. Here is the updated proposed order:<br />
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* If the artist's canonical name is stated in the publication, enter it<br />
* If the artist's alternate name is states in the publication, enter it and make sure to create a Variant Title later<br />
* If the cover has the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has an artist-specific symbol, e.g. a stylized version of the artist's initials, enter the artist's canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the cover has a recognizable signature, enter the canonical name if known and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but a secondary source credits the artist, enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit, but the credit is implied, e.g. a small section is reproduced as a credited INTERIORART work, treat it as a "secondary bibliographic source" scenario described above: enter the canonical name and update the Notes field with the source of the attribution<br />
* If the publication has no explicit artist credit and no secondary or implied credit, but the artist's style is recognizable, leave the "Artist" field blank and update the Notes with the name of the artist and reason for attribution<br />
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::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:51, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::The "secondary sources" bullet does not quite match current practice. If an earlier printing has no credit and a later printing with identical artwork has a credit, we use the later credit's form as the implied/secondary credit on the earlier printings (and, in fact, we merge the records). It would not surprise me if in other secondary-source scenarios our de facto practice is close to what we do for reviews and interviews: If the name provided is something for which we already have a record, that is used, otherwise the canonical is used. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:47, 1 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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{{welcome}} [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:55, 19 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Sündenfall'' ==<br />
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Thank you very much for adding this publication. I had to adapt a few fields to the standards of our little database: <br />
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1) I changed the price to €15.00, which is the standard for Euro prices (and analog for dollars & pounds: no space between the sigle and the value, old german prices would be entered with a space: DM X.XX or M X.XX). <br />
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2) I added the note 'First German edition, first printing' to the book, assuming that this is the case (if it should be a higher printing, please correct the note).<br />
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3) I had to remove the German title series: the series of the original English version has the precedence.<br />
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Finally I added a note of the translator to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1836669 title entry], where it is most meaningful. <br />
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Would you like to variant the german title to the original one? Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:04, 19 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I have put your new submission on hold. Instead I varianted the first title to the original English one. I guess you didn't find the title & the publication of your first submission, so I'm inclined to reject your latest one, as it doesn't add a new printing or edition. (But I'll wait one day waiting for an answer). Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 20 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
:I have now rejected your submission, but I do think that your first was meant the same. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Hallo Christian,<br />
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ich spreche leider nicht sehr viel Englisch, daher kann ich jetzt nicht nachvollziehen, warum mein Eintrag "Sündenfall" gelöscht wurde, ebenso sind meine Kenntnisse bez. Wikis eher marginal.<br />
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Ich sehe gerade, dass der Titel nicht gelöscht wurde, sondern als Variante des englischen Titels dargestellt wird. Ist zwar in meinen Augen nicht optimal, aber wenn es nicht anders funktioniert, dann ist das OK.<br />
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MfG.<br />
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W. Winkler<br />
[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 18:27, 22 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Hallo, Wolfram! Nicht optimal mag es scheinen, aber so ist die ISFDB nun einmal organisiert (umgekehrt wird eine englische Übersetzung ebenso als Variante des Originals aus einer anderen Sprache eingesetzt). Es ist auch die einzige Möglichkeit, den Überblick zu behalten, insbesondere bei vielübersetzten Autoren. Die Umgangssprache hier ist aber Englisch, da alle [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Moderator_availability Moderatoren] darüber kommunizieren: nur Mut, es muss wirklich nicht perfekt sein (ich werde deswegen zukünftig auch wieder darauf umsteigen, allein damit die anderen in meiner Abwesenheit beurteilen können, was in konkreten Fällen geschehen ist und reagieren können).<br />
::Aufgrund der Organisation der ISFDB musste ich leider auch deine zweite Eingabe ablehnen: wir sind hier auf zwei Ebenen organisiert: Publikationen (ein konkretes Buch oder Heft) & Titel (sozusagen immateriell). Z. B. sind einzelne Stories oder Essays nur durch ihren Titel vertreten, sie tauchen dann mit ihren Titeln in Publikationen auf. Es können aber nun nur Titel zu Varianten anderer Titel gemacht werden, so dass das, was du versuchst, leider nicht funktioniert, da dann ein Titel mit konkreten Informationen zu einer Publikation versehen wäre. Ich werde versuchen, 'deine' Publikation einzugeben, wobei automatisch der zugehörige Titel erzeugt wird, und dann die Varianten in Beziehung zueinander zu setzen. (But from now on it's English). Danke vielmals trotzdem, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Hallo Christian, jetzt bin ich ganz verwirrt, ich habe doch extra den Punkt "Add a Variant Title" gewählt, weil die deutsche Fassung ja eine Variante des englischen Originals ist, wie soll man denn deutsche Übersetzungen mit neuem Titel, anderem Verlag usw. eingeben?<br />
Zum Thema englische Sprache: Wenn ich englisch schreiben müsste, würde ich eine Menge Zeit damit verbringen, überhaupt etwas Lesbares zu erzeugen. In der Zeit könnte ich sinnvollerweise Daten eingeben. Ich kämpfe schon mit der Übersetzung englisch -> deutsch. Gibt es denn ein deutschsprachiges Wiki mit demselben Thema? Wenn es nichts ausmacht, schreibe ich meine Kommentare weiterhin auf deutsch, ansonsten macht es keinen Sinn soviel Zeit zu investieren, ohne produktiv zu sein.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:36, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Google-Übersetzung: Hi Christian , now I 'm confused , I have specially selected the option "Add a Variant Title", because the German version a variant of the English original is, how are you supposed German translations with new titles , including publishing , etc. enter ? On the subject of English language : If I had to write English, I would spend a lot of time thinking about anything readable produce . At the time I could usefully enter data. I fight already with the translation English -> German. Is there a German-language wiki with the same issue? If you do not mind , I write my comments further on German , otherwise it makes no sense to invest so much time without being productive.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7662 this] is a title with 11 variant titles, and about 70 publications (four examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42973 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?261037 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369377 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?473338 here]). A NOVEL is a title that exists only as (our/ISFDBs) concept, a publication in this case is a printing of a book; a book nowadays has an ISBN, a title can't have that, because it's a concept. We have different concepts/types of titles, for example NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, SHORTFICTION, ESSAY etc. I hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 21:02, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Ich verstehe die Problematik nicht. Das Buch "Die Prophezeiung der Steine" von Pamela Freeman, welches ich eingegeben habe, steht doch genau da, wo er sein sollte, als Variante vom Original "Blood Ties"! So ganz verstehe ich das System nicht, ehrlich gesagt. Die englischen Erklärungen helfen mir leider nicht weiter, Danke trotzdem. <br />
I do not understand the problem . The book "Die Prophezeiung der Steine" by Pamela Freeman , which I have entered, you can read it right where it should be, as a variant from the original " Blood Ties " ! So all I do not understand the system , to be honest . Unfortunately, the English explanations do not help me , Thanks anyway .[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Ich habe das Gefühl, dass die Daten nicht von mir stammen, sondern schon vorhanden waren. Ich habe sie aber vor meiner Eingabe über die Suchfunktion nicht gefunden oder falsch gesucht. Ich werde das noch untersuchen. In dem Zusammenhang sind natürlich meine Neu-Eingaben unnötig gewesen.<br />
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I have a feeling that the data do not come from me, but were already present. I have not found before my entry via the search function or wanted wrong. I'll investigate more . Of course, in the context of my New entries have been unnecessary. [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Ken Scholes ==<br />
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Hello, just in case, I've approved your "update" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?47571 this author] but it didn't change anything as you didn't modify any field in your submission. What were you trying to do? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:00, 7 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Hallo, I don't have changed anything, I don't know, what's happened [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:34, 9 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Perhaps an involuntary click or <enter>, no problem. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:24, 9 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::Suggestion : Such empty entries should be ignored by the system.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:30, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Canticle by Scholes ==<br />
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I rejected your submission to delete [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?485112 this record]. Why do you believe it should not be in the database? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I wanted delete only the Cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1047683 left Picture], because it is twice. It doesn't exist a reference to the associated ebook.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Your submission would have deleted the publication record for the ebook edition. If you wish to remove the cover image, choose the "Edit This Pub" function under the Editing Tools menu. Then remove the URL in the "Image URL" field. Before doing this you should do a primary verification of the record so that the moderator knows that you actually have a copy of this publication and can confirm that there is no cover art associated with it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding cover images to publications ==<br />
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First, an explanation: the publication by Freeman was added by me after I rejected your title varianting.<br />
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When you have uploaded an image for a publication, you need to edit that publication to enter the destination URL to the field 'Image URL' (you find this URL by clicking on the blue enhanced (clickable) field just below the uploaded image. Just try it! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:28, 17 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I hope, now its alright. How can I upload the Back-Side of the Cover without overwriting the existing front cover?[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:54, 18 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
:There is only one cover image per book. In cases of wrap-around art, users will typically scan it all (easier to do if it's a cover jacket) as in {{P|344712|this example}}. You can also scan both sides separately and then combine in an image editing program as in {{P|1998|this example}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:21, 18 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Der Tänzer der Schatten'' ==<br />
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As before with ''Sündenfall'' I had to repeat the first two items (correct standard ISFDB price in Euro, adding the basic information on edition and printing) for the publication, and the third one (dropping the german title series). <br />
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I'm not sure about the german synopsis. Usually, there's only the possibility to add english ones, but as this is only a variant german title, it may stay until another moderator decides to drop it (which may actually occur, so maybe it'd be better to start a discussion at the help desk, before submitting other non-english texts). <br />
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The german title still has to be varianted to the English original. Would you like to try?<br />
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Thanks for contributing! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:41, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but I had to reject your latest submission. It should be varianted to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1336615 original English title]. If you take a look at the URL bar or at the top right corner of this title, you'll find in both cases the title's number at ISFDB, 1336615. This is the number you should enter into the box 'Parent #' when varianting. Would you like to try it again? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:24, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I have clicked the wrong Button, now it must be OK.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:32, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Schattenklinge'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! Thanks for adding that item. It turned out that it was the first book for ISFDB by this author who we had overlooked so far. As there is an original title series, the german one had to be dropped. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 25 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Stonecreek, I know, that it exist an english title series, but I hope everytime that my title will be accept with the german title, another mod accept this way with independently german series! For a german user it is easier to find a german title, if it exist the german title series. I mean, something is missing. In my opinion, there is a need for action.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:47, 25 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
::As soon as there is an original title series, any variant title series will be deleted (overwritten). Only the variant titles of individual novels or other title types can have their individual languages.<br />
::Thanks for adding the further volumes in the title series. As they are American publications I had to replace the Euro price with the original US-$ list prices, which can be found at amazon.com. I also replaced the notes on sources with the standard, which is much more eye-friendly (and the sources wouldn't link to amazon, anyway). Thanks again for adding those! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:23, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Unfortunately, the ISFDB software prevents a variant title from having a different series than its parent title. If you give the German variant a different series name, the system will create a new series. But the moment you variant the German title to the English title, the series data in the German title record is overwritten with the data from the English title record. The German series will remain in the database, but will be titleless, waiting for someone (like me) to find it and delete it. If you strongly feel that the software should be changed to allow different series names for different languages, you should start a discussion on the [[ISFDB:Rules and standards discussions]] page. Keep in mind, that even though non-English publications are eligible for inclusion in the database, all other aspects of the database are required to be in English. <br />
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:::BTW, if another moderator accepted your submission that contained a German titled series, it was because he was unaware that it was to be varianted to an English title, or was aware that it wouldn't make a difference since it would be overwritten anyway. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:03, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Hello stonecreek,<br />
:::: Perhaps the link should refer to amazon.com.<br />
:::: How can I make the links eye-friendly, I don't can see any Difference of the spelling between original display and edited text (http://www.amazon.de/Mindbender-David-A-Wells/dp/1468102494/ref=tmm_pap_title_0), do you understand, what I mean?[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:38, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, as I see it there's no need to establish a special link as they are provided for publications with an ISBN on the left tool bar.<br />
:::::I rejected your change of price since the prices at amazon.com are not fixed, but vary over time. We record the list price that can usually be found there in the top right corner. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hello Christian, thanks for the tip, I've found the list price.<br />
::::::My remarks to the links have done himself, it was a communication error.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Die Elfen'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?498712 this publication]: A 2004 publication wouldn't have an ISBN-13. If your copy has a stated ISBN-13, it is probably a later printing. By "10th Edition" do you mean the 10th printing? If so, you should zero out the publication date to "0000" which will be displayed as "undated". Unless your copy actually has a stated publication date. You should also adjust the Note field to state which information comes from Deutsche Nationalbibliothek, if it doesn't come from the book itself.<br />
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I will create a record for the 2004 first printing giving data from the OCLC record. (I also had to add Sullivan as author in the title record, as only Hennen was credited. If you change the author credit of a publication record, you must also change the author credit of the title record to match it exactly.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:40, 25 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: In principle I use ever the ISBN-13, because every Book can assigned this one, although at the time of publication don't exist an ISBN-13. If that is not ISFDB conform I will take into account.<br />
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:"10th Edition" means in german "10. '''Auflage'''. This informationen I have assumed from the cover of the book. <br />
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:The note field have I corrected.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:11, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::It is ISFDB policy to record the ISBN that's stated in the actual publication. If both are present, you should enter the ISBN-13. If none are present, the field should be blank, even if a later printing added an ISBN. Just because an ISBN-13 can be created from any ISBN-10 doesn't mean someone should arbitrarily give the ISBN-13 for books published before the ISBN-13 even existed. The software takes the data as entered, then displays the alternate ISBN in squared brackets, thus indicating which ISBN is stated and which one is derived. <br />
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::More to original question: Is your copy the 10th printing? (I'm not sure if the the English definition of "edition" is the same as the German one.) If so, it probably wasn't published in November 2004. That's the date of the first edition. What publication date, if any, is given in your copy? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I believe, this publication ist the '''First Edition 10th printing''', the year of printing is 2006. Original text is: "10. Auflage...Originalausgabe 11/2004...Copyright 2004 dieser Ausgabe by Wilhelm Heyne Verlag...Printed in Germany 2006". [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::The date of a publication record should be the printing date, not the date of the first edition. So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?498712 the record] for your copy should be dated 2006, with a Note that it is the 10th printing of the 2004 edition. This is standard ISFDB practice. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:35, 28 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I will modify this, thanks for your patience with a german newbee [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Series data in variant titles ==<br />
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You should remove the series data in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1850009 this record], and the link to a commercial website (Amazon). The webpage field in title records should be linked to webpages dedicated to the work, not a sales website. There are links to such sites on the publication record. Thanks. 19:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]<br />
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== ''Quest'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! I had to reject your submission to delete one publication of this title. First, it is etiquette to ask any active primary verifier(s) before changing any fields or for most if you add something new immediately after adding (for me, it's okay if you add some notes or correct the price without notifying me). In this case the verified publication was the fourth printing of that edition, the other one is not primary verified, but is intended for the first printing. (I had made the same mistake when I began). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Hello Christian, I remember, that I've corrected one evident typing error and delete one space. I am surprised and I don't know that we must ask for this minor edit the <br />
: primary verifier or do you mean another case? In Future I'll be more cautious.<br />
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:Quest: # 411539: I can see Notes: From the fourth printing...<br />
: # 411540: I can see Notes: 4. Auflage...<br />
: It seems the same data? The Year is 2005, the only difference of both publications is the Month of printing. But the same 4th printing and two different dates is imho implausible.<br />
: I believe, I must learn better english to understand your explanation.:-)<br />
: Also thanks for your patience with a german newbee. [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:28, 30 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::As stated in the Welcome section above:<br />
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::''Please be careful in editing publications that have been [[Help:How to verify data|primary verified]] by other editors. See [[Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs]]. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See [[Help:How to verify data]] for detailed information.''<br />
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::Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:21, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I quote:"If you are changing substantive data '''(not changing a blank to a non-blank field)''', it is usually a good idea to ask the verifier in advance."<br />
::: I've corrected one evident typing error and delete one space. These changes are not relevant, in this case is a note to the primary verifier in my opinion not useful, because we are wasting time and resources, in all another cases the rule should be respected. If my interpretation of your rule is wrong, please correct me. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:00, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, basically you're right. Correcting a typo in the Note field doesn't require PV notification. But if you're changing ''anything'' (typo or not) in any of the other fields, you should discuss it with the PV editor before doing it. Once you have taken the time and effort to create several hundred publication records and verify them, you may more fully appreciate the notification etiquette. You wouldn't want later editors to come along and change your records without the courtesy of informing you first. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Short summary: Correcting a typo in the note fields without notification is okay, in any other fields I must inform the verifier, also for example the changing of € 10 in €10 (cancel one space, how it is usual and rule) in the price field? I will do it gladly, but I can't understand the logic.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:49, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Notification of removing a space to conform to the ISFDB standard is not necessary. You're not really changing the data or even correcting a typo, you're conforming to standard. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:10, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: If I look at this discussion, I ask myself, why we discuss generally this? Everything was made almost right. Let us enter some data to the database, it seems to me more productive. Thanks for your information. I wish you a nice day.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Remark: If the discussion refers to my suggestion to delete the publication "Quest", then you're right. This point was not aware to me.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Series data in variant titles, again ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1851314 this record]: please do not add series data to records for titles which will be varianted to another title. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:19, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I'm also uncertain that the synopsis should be in German. Even though we allow non-English language publications into the database, I believe the records themselves must be in English. I'll ask for a clarification of this matter on the Community portal. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:25, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I've removed the synopsis based on a ruling made on the Community portal. Also, when using another source's synopsis, please provide the source as part of the synopsis. (In English, of course.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1851314 this record] I've added the original english series title "Strange Threads", where is the problem, is it a problem of the software?<br />
:: Now, I understand it so: A German translated publication should be added without series data, also without the original english series title?[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:51, 2 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::This has nothing to do with language. The series data of the parent record is automatically displayed in the series data of the variant record, regardless of the language. Adding series data to a new publication record whose title has yet to be varianted to its parent will cause an error until a subsequent submission that creates the variant. Once that submission has been accepted, it doesn't matter because the software discards any series data that was provided in the original submission. That means you're taking the time to add data that will never be used. So if you know that the title record of a new publication will eventually have to be varianted to another title record, don't bother adding series data to the original submission, regardless of the language. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:27, 3 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Das Wispern der Schatten'' ==<br />
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Thanks for adding this item! For the series title: you don't have to enter it, as it will be replaced as soon as the title is varianted (which I have already done here), and '1st' or 'First' is the correct English term. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:26, 2 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Ein dunkler Funke '' ==<br />
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You verified what looks like two identical records for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1853630 this title]. If that was in error, and the editions are identical, please delete one of them. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:23, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Indeed, it is the same, I've deleted one. I don't know, why it appeared twice, perhaps a wrong click?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Sarah Marie Keller ==<br />
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Do you know if she was born after October 1990? If not, her birth country should be entered as West Germany. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I will ask her, but she don't want to say her birthday. BTW for me it was ever Germany and not west or east!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::But both parts were in fact two different legal entities, we do reflect the historical facts, whether they were to ones liking or not (so that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120109 this author] was even born in Germany, somewhat ridiculously to our eyes). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:40, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: It seems historical correct, where he was born. The "DDR" has been recognized as a State not 100 percent from the "BRD". But I don't want to start a political diskussion.<br />
::: I note, that in ISFDB exist two german states for a while, it is ok.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::The ISFDB has nothing to do with the existence of two German states. We only record a person's birthplace as that at the time of their birth. It's not a political matter at all. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:37, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: What I mean is, that in ISFDB it is a difference between East Germany and West Germany (in case of birth), without any political background, but for me in West and in East there had lived and now lives both german people, it is easier for me to say Germany than East Germany or West Germany, without political points.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:09, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Translator ==<br />
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Hi. Just a small language hint for your submissions: the English word for "Übersetzer" is "translator", not "translater". Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 20:32, 16 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: "Translater" will also used, but rarely, I've corrected these submissions or have I forgotten something? If you find more wrong words, then tell me, please. I'm living in Germany and understand the English language only a little bit. I will make further mistakes. The Google-Translator ist not the best way to translate! Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:22, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: No problem, just try as good as you can, and mistakes can always be corrected :). By the way: another good source to look up a translation (not of a whole text, but of a word) is http://www.dict.cc. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 14:48, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Yes, I know this site, but the problem is less the single word but the complete sentences in context. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:18, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Die letzte Rune ==<br />
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Hello, I've regularized the publisher to Droemer Knaur for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?515740 this pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks, I've already seen, that Knaur don't exist in your database.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover image for ''Der Greif'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. Please use the 'Upload new cover scan' button when you want to add a cover image. This way the legal template is automatically added, which we need to avoid legal conflicts for violations of the copyright (I have done it for this book). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Christian, I've used the button "Upload new cover scan", I don't understand, what is wrong?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Well, since I didn't see your submission to add the cover image I am sorry that I can't tell you what went wrong. Anyway, I used your cover image to upload anew, so all seems okay now. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Hello Christian, I don't understand, what is happen, and that is not satisfying for me. The image must already be uploaded, because you have access to the picture! The next step is to edit the pub and there to enter the link to the picture in the field "Image URL", then click on the button "Submit Changed Data". Is this ok? When yes, than I don't know where it has damped.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::Ah, this is a 'special' feature: you should refresh your display, then you should be able to see it also (I still don't understand why this is needed in the case of cover images). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::: I don't understand anything, what is a "special feature", how, where, what? Please, explain it more accurately. I've uploaded more than one picture the same way, without problems, and now...?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::This 'special' feature is a problem that everyone eventually encounters, me too. But the picture is there with the publication, are you still not able to see it (and if so, have you refreshed your browser display)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::I have just found out that there already was another title entry for ''Der Greif'' without a cover image and you may have looked onto the corresponding publication. I have merged the two titles. Maybe that has been the cause of the problem. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::: I've nothing understand from the beginning of this discussion, but if now all is clear than everything is well. Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::::When you enter a new publication the entry for the title is automatically produced by the software. This has happened with ''Der Greif'' before your submission for the first publication from 1989, so that there also were two title entries. Now there's only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1817068 one] which lists the two publications. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: Hello Christian, so it's correct, but I mean, that I've looked for an existing entry before I entered my submission, but couldn't find one, curiously. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:18, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Der Greif'' ==<br />
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In the light of the older publication the statement 'Version: 1st German edition' for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516194 verified book] seems to be false. It may stem from amazon, which is not a reliable source for such statements: in short, they want to sell, not establish a reliable bibliography. Woukd you like to remove that statement? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Christian, the data are from the book I own, but on the page of copyright stated "'''Taschenbuch'''erstausgabe" or similar, I don't know exactly, cause I've only tomorrow access to the book. I will look and then remove or correct the note. The problem is that the book is a tp (trade paperback) and not a pb (paperback), but on copyright page is it a "1st German paperback edition". That does not fit together. I will report tomorrow.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Stated on copyright page: "Taschenbucherstausgabe 10/2000", I've corrected my note in "1st German paperback edition". Is this ok?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, but than you should change the binding to pb. It is confusing: An English paperback is called 'Taschenbuch' in German, and an English trade paperback is often called paperback in Germany. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:10, 22 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: In ISFDB is a book with the width of 115 mm (exact: 114,3 mm = 4,5" * 2,54) a '''tp'''. I cannot change the rules.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:07, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Ovaron ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold for this title. Are you sure that "Die Cappins" is a publication series? IMHO it looks more like a "fiction" series (that is a series that is located at title level). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Hello, it seems not quite right. Perry Rhodan is a German SF series of magazines, at this time exist about 2800 titles (First print). The publisher decided to publish a hardcover version, one book of this version contains the text of 5 - 8 magazine titles. 3 - 13 books are a cycle. The title "Ovaron" is the 4th book of the 7th cycle called "Die Cappins" and is the 48th book of the main series "Perry Rhodan" look [http://www.perrypedia.proc.org/wiki/Silberb%C3%A4nde here]. I don't know where I should place the information about the cycle and cycle#.<br />
:Short: Main series "Perry Rhodan" #48 -> sub series "Die Cappins" 7th cycle #4-> title "Ovaron". Please give me a tipp, what to do, thanks. Perhaps I should use the field "Notes", but this is not perfect.<br />
:In ISFDB similar publications appear below Pub. Series: Perry Rhodan, Pub. Series#: 36 like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514697 here], but there is no information about the cycle.<br />
:There are two different versions, the Blue edition with 2D blue cover and the Silver edition with 3D silver cover with the same text.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
::I'm going to direct your questions [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Question_about_the_ordering_of_the_Perry_Rhodan_Universe here] and approve your submission with the adequate modifications. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've put the title series ''PR Zyklus 7: Die Cappins'' into the title's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1863867 data]. This series is a sub-series of ''Perry Rhodan''. I also changed the title's date to 1994-05-00 as it was published then the first time (according to perrypedia).<br />
:::Two questions remain: 1) As far as I know, this edition wasn't published by Pabel-Moewig, but seems to be a book club edition published by Bertelsmann. Is Pabel-Moewig really the stated publisher? 2) Horst Hoffmann is stated as the editor (and author of the connections between the novellas) at perrypedia. Isn't he mentioned anywhere in your book? Thanks for taking a second look, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:41, 8 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hello Christian, I believe it is my error. Stated on copyright page: Ungekürzte Buchgemeinschafts-Lizenzausgabe der Bertelsmann Club GmbH, Rheda-Wiedenbrück der Bertelsmann Medien (Schweiz) AG...<br />
::::Further at the bottom: Alle Rechte vorbehalten 1994 by Verlagsunion Erich Pabel-Arthur Moewig KG ...Redaktion: Horst Hoffmann. At last: Printed in Germany 1997--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::So, would you like to submit the changes for the publication? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:13, 10 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I will try it, but I must understand the structure of Pub. Series and general structure of ISFDB database, there are still deficits. Z. B. belongs a Pub. Series only to one publisher? It's my opinion that "Ovaron" belongs to the Pub. Series "Perry Rhodan" by Bertelsmann, is this correct or am I wrong? The Pub. Series # 48 belongs to the series "Perry Rhodan". The publication should appear [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1833 here]. I will enter my submission and then we will see...--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Horst Hoffmann is not an author of this publication, "editorial staff" is the correct designation--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yes, usually a pub. series belongs to one publisher. In this case the numbering of publications at some point differs, because Bertelsmann published the last half of the fourth cycle ('Die Blues'), which Pabel-Moewig didn't in the silver edition of 'Perry Rhodan'. For these reasons it would be better to rename the Bertelsmann series into something like 'Bertelsmann Perry Rhodan' or 'Perry Rhodan (Bertelsmann)'. Which seems better? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:11, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: My suggestion is to rename the existing series title Perry Rhodan (by Pabel-Moewig) in "Perry Rhodan Silver Edition" and Perry Rhodan (by Bertelsmann) in "Perry Rhodan Blue Edition". Btw I'm unhappy about the series name "PR Zyklus 7: Die Cappins". This series includes only the magazines of Perry Rhodan, at least must appear the series # 4, But this is a bit confusing. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:28, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::For title series we are a bit more free, but '''A Publication series is a group of publications marked out by the publisher in some way''' (from the help pages). As the only name used by the Publisher is 'Perry Rhodan', we somehow have to stick to that. An example for a difference between two pub. series named identical is ''Perry Rhodan Planetenromane'' published by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34608 Pabel-Moewig].<br />
:::::::For the reason of putting the books into the title series of cycles, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLochhas#Perry_Rhodan_fix-ups this idea behind it]. They really belong to the cycles as they tell the same story, only somewhat shorter. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:39, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Btw the pub. series by Bertelsmann also is called "Perry Rhodan". Why we cannot rename both series? If we must exact use the printed series title, consequently we cannot name the Bertelsmann series "Bertelsmann Perry Rhodan" or similar. Btw what means "fix-up"?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:09, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: We do need to establish a difference. Just consider we wouldn't add the publisher to all pub. series that are just called 'Fantasy' (or 'Science Fiction', 'Horror' etc.), and as the numeration differs between Pabel-Moewig and Bertelsmann, we would really get into a kind of chaos after #69 where the contents of the numbered novels begin to differ.<br />
:::::::::A fix-up novel is a novel that is usually put together from several shortfictions, most often by clipping some material and adding some more text that links the parts. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:38, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: It's clear, my suggestion is still "Perry Rhodan Blue Edition" for the Bertelsmann edition, is this all right?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:52, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but as I explained above this is not within the rules of ISFDB for publication series, since there's no indication that the publisher referred to the series in that way. We already have series like 'Goldmann Science Fiction' or 'Knaur Science Fiction' that are marked only 'Science Fiction' by the publisher, but would be all part of one publication series, if we would drop the publisher. So, we cling to a publication series as close as possible, but we still need to make a differnece. For that reason I'll reject your submission and ask one more time about a possible name. <br />
:It's a similar case for authors. Just search for Ian McDonald and you'll see that we also have to make some adjustments for authors with the same name. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:40, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Then I suggest "Perry Rhodan (Bertelsmann)", look above.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:08, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::Fine, that would have also been my first choice. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:20, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::It was your suggestion.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 07:16, 18 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! It seems there are new developments. I have seen the corresponding book published by Pabel-Moewig in a secondhand book shop and there was no credit for Hoffmann and the other authors. Our standard is to put 'uncredited' in the author field and then variant to the actual author. (This was also the case in all other books I took a look into, also some published by Bertelsmann). So, if in your verified book there's also no credit, would it be okay if I take the necessary steps? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Christian, the infos about the different authors have I seen on perrypedia (please look to the notes). On page 7 and 8 Horst Hoffmann mentioned Ewers, Kneifel, Voltz and Darlton as author from the corresponding booklets. It's ok, if you must change this. Thanks. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:54, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Oh, yes, the introduction. What's its exact title (likely it's 'Vorwort' or 'Einführung')? And on which page does the novel begin, is it p. 9? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:34, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::And would you prefer a note on the credit for Ewers, Kneifel, Voltz and Darlton and let this credit stay with the book or shall it better be uncredited? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:36, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Hello Christian, I don't exactly understand what you mean. I prefer an additional note e.g. "Authors stated on page #7, #8" on the "Title Record" (if it is possible) and on "Publication Record". More information later at home. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:19, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::I must change some data. It has to be called: In the "Vorwort": Authors stated on page #5, #6. Then follows on page #7 the "Zeittafel", then on page #9 "Prolog" and last on page #11 begins part one of the novel.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 20:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::The "Prolog" would be considered as part of the novel, so I have changed the book accordingly. Please take a look if all is now in order. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:17, 27 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::: I must sort my notes (following my own rules of notes), but now it's ok. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:16, 31 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Das blaue Portal ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but it seems to me that both publications [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1972797 here] are for the same book. What is your opinion? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Hello I don't know, what is happened, my last two submissions appeared twice, you are right, it is the same publication. I will delete one of it.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:08, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Printed in Germany 2006 for a May 2007 publication ==<br />
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Yes, it's possible: maybe the publisher waited for a special date of publication (or maybe it's just a misspelling for 2007). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:07, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:OK.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Strasse der Plünderer ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submissions for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1996247 this title] but it seems to me that the result are two strictly similar publications. What are your thoughts on the matter? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, to me it looks like a doublette. Perhaps you submitted it twice by accident? <br />
:You should also consider two additional thoughts: 1) The translator may be added to the publication, but the credit even more belongs to the title. This is extremely helpful for cases where a translation is published again under a different title (see this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428 example]) or different translations are published under the same title, like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1511 here] for 'Unternehmen Schwerkraft'. 2) The publication(s) seem to belong to this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1489 pub. series]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::I don't know what happens, all my new submissions appear twice, e. g. look above.<br><br />
::The publication could belong to "Bastei Lübbe Fantasy", look to the publisher code 20614, I will correct it.<br><br />
::My opinion is, that the Translator belongs only to the publication, but I must think about it.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC).<br />
:::IIRC a recent ruling states that the translator must be given at title level (as said above it's in order to avoid merging two similarly titled translations by different translators). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Les/Lee Gibbons ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, can you confirm the name of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?236297 this artist], it's perhaps a typo for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25999 this one]. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:49, 12 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Hauck, in all Weltbild publications, which I bought recently the name is LES GIBBONS, e.g. in "Die Bücher der Wahrheiten" by Dawn Cook, "Der Orden der edlen Krieger" by William Nicholson and "Die Insel der Stürme" by Heide Solveig Göttner.The original text on copyright page is: "Einbandgestaltung: Nele Schütz Design, München unter Verwendung eines Motivs von Les Gibbons". But Weltbild published several false data, e. g. wrong original title on copyright page, perhaps it is really a typo, but not from me. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:29, 12 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for having a look, I'll let matters stay this way. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:12, 13 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the publication series & no. to ... ==<br />
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... [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521710 In fremderen Gezeiten]. Cheers, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:39, 2 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Christian, thanks, I hope, I will do it myself in future.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 3 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Der Feldzug'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. We alread have two publications of this novel that appear to be the same and I have yet a submission for a third on hold. Is there somethin I am missing? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:29, 21 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Christian, I've suggest only '''one''' submission, no idea what is happened. You can delete the other two.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:42, 21 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Must be a browser problem.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:49, 22 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Double submission ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/myrecent.cgi?0+N here] appears my submission two times, I don't know, why? It's not the first time.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unter Dieben ==<br />
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Hello, I've put one of your submission on hold for this title as it seems to be a duplicate [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?595982 of the one that led to this pub]. I'm also surprised that you set the flags "Nongenre" and "graphic" to yes for a title that is perhaps a translation of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232929 this one]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:20, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Hauck, please look at the post above. I don't know why my submission appears two times, it is not my input. As well I don't have set these flags! You are right, it is the German translation from the title "Among Thieves". It seems to be a Browser problem (Firefox).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, I saw the previous threads. I've changed the flags (there seems to be a bug) and rejected your extra submission. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:59, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:10, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rune der Knechtschaft ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I am trying to figure out if {{P|595851|Rune der Knechtschaft}} is just the first novel or the whole "Les trois lunes de Tanjor" series (collected in French in "Ayesha: La légende du peuple turquoise series". Can you check your book? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 20:06, 7 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Anniemod, stated on copyright page "Ayesha. La Légende du Peuple turquoise", copyright der Originalausgabe 2005. But it is the first part of the German series "Die Legende von Ayesha". Further parts are 2. "Pakt der Könige" and 3. "Volk der Verbannten". It is no omnibus like shown by isfdb?! It seems to belong to "Le peuple turquoise" part one of the original french series.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:45, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Don't you love vague translator notes? :) So the question now becomes if the German publisher split the whole thing into the same 3 parts as the original French edition (in which case your book is a translation of {{T|1982038|Le peuple turquoise}} or if they got creative and did a different split. If you think that it is exact match, I can variant the French and the German title (and then the German series will need to become a publication series). What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 17:23, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::New mod?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 20:20, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: Hm, what? [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 23:35, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::: Are you a new isfdb moderator? I don't have seen you in the list.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:23, 10 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Nope. Just an editor trying to connect orphaned translations. :) [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 19:20, 10 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Gärten des Mondes ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but this makes now three similar titles: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2160001 the one just created] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20728 two there]. Can you have a look to see if there's not some merging to do? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Hauck, I will take a look, but first I must read the rules...--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: Done--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::I've approved your submission, thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:42, 9 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?522503 Die Einhornpirsch] ==<br />
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I added the publication series (and no.) to this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:52, 23 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Der magische Dorn ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you verify which is the original title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?614837 Der magische Dorn]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Community Portal Edit ==<br />
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Hi, <br />
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It seems like your last edit in the Community portal was based on an older version of the page and it wiped out the conversations from the last few days. I've restored those and copied your comment back in the conversation where it belongs.<br />
[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:11, 22 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanvalet and Star Wars ==<br />
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I accepted all but one of your submissions to add Star Wars as the publication series to the Blanvalet publications. I realize other moderators had already accepted some of these, but I must ask if Star Wars is truly a Blanvalet series, and if those numbers are true series numbers. 36470 (for example), does not look like a series number (I doubt they have 36000 different Star Wars books), but rather a catalogue number. I am wondering if these are simply "Star Wars" universe titles (that, is a "Star Wars..." title series) and are not part of any Blanvalet publication series. I notice on the randomhouse.de site, Star Wars is presented with a trademark: "Star Wars&trade;", and I doubt Random House owns that trademark. My German is not good enough for me to understand everything on the website. Let me know what you think. I can also ask a German-speaking moderator for help.<br />
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For the submission that I have on hold, I realize including the "Star Wars" on this one is inconsistent with the way the others have been recorded, but you should notify the primary verifier of your proposed change and give him a chance to agree or disagree.<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:59, 23 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:I'd also say that 'Star Wars' is only the reference to the title series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:07, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:I'm in the process of removing this publication series. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:09, 25 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Hello MartyD, the changes have been undone by moderator, I agree to Christians opinion, there is no more reason to discuss, but the term "Star Wars" should be a part of the title or belongs to the notes as series title (or title series?). Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:58, 29 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:::My goal was to get you to notify the primary verifier. Your change to remove the "Star Wars:" from the title is ok, and it makes the title consistent with how the other titles in that series have been handled. I will approve your change, fix the related title, and notify Stoecker. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:20, 3 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: To notify Stoecker is no problem (but Stoecker don't answer, as far as I know), but I thought with introduce the new button "My Changed Primary Verifications" we don't need to notify? Furthermore when I take a look to my changed pubs I see many submitter, who not notify, too. Equal rights for all:-)? But I've no problem to do this in future.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:08, 4 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:::::You should check with the verifier before changing information that is already present, unless the verifier has talk page instructions telling you otherwise. In practice, minor, presentation-only changes, such as capitalization and punctuation, usually go without notice. In theory, you should also notify verifiers of additions you make, but more people let the "My Changed Primary Verifications" mechanism handle that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:10, 4 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::: It seems, we have a problem with the discipline of users submissions.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:15, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== CreateSpace ==<br />
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I may be telling you something you already know... but according to discussions [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#What_counts_as_a_publication_for_an_e-book.3F here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Defining_.22Publisher.22_in_a_self-publishing_world here], CreateSpace isn't a publisher, but rather a printing and production service (a subsidiary of Amazon, which is probably why they insist on naming it in the "publisher" space on their pages). So we don't list it as a publisher here. Therefore, I'm going to change all of your verified publications that list it -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?582823 Kristallgeboren] and maybe others I haven't found yet. Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:04, 23 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:As there was no positive answer on that item by Wolfram, and the outcome of the discussions was inconclusive, I have restored the publisher and removed the note on data sources (the amazon link seems to be to a slightly different edition). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:06, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Also, could you please take a look at the assigned copyright, Wolfram? As per today, at amazon the author's name is now Jutta Ahrens and the copyright is assigned for the year 2017 to her. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:22, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hello, I couldn't answer, because I don't get a message. As well I've a real life, too, I cannot always answer immediately. Thanks for your understanding.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:14, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Hello Christian, © 2016 J. B. Eyries (asirdahan@icloud.com) stated on the copyright page, perhaps a pseudonym? The cover at Amazon ist another version of my book cover--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:23, 25 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Verlag: Independently published (but this is no publisher). Therefore is CreateSpace not correct, I don't have read the discussions about this theme, I will do it, if I have a lot of time, but not today.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:41, 25 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?625129 Conan] anthology ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. I'd think your latest addition (thanks for it!) should be regarded as pb (not as a tp). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:08, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Hello Christian, pb max. length x width = 184 x 114 mm. This publication is 180 x '''115''' mm -> tp.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:45, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::As most books published in this pub. series it still is regarded as paperback (Heyne speaks of 'Taschenbuch'). Our help page speaks of 11.5cm (= 115 mm). I'll try to work out the month of the first printing and change the publication. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:49, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Hello Christian, on the help page I can read "For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"" or have I misunderstood?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:08, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::Well, that means that this is the limit / border. As the book is smaller in height this fact means that it is to be regarded as a paperback. Aside from that, I think that European paperbacks may vary in definition. For example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34897 this publisher's] books have a quite higher height than other paperbacks. All the books published in the first decades of activity by ''Rowohlt Taschenbuch'' are referred to as pbs nevertheless, as history and the publisher's name do suggest (as are several others by more European / German publishers). <br />
::::I have changed the publication (this way it was also easier to change the dates of the original German appearances for the individual contents). Please do variant the items to their originals. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:00, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::: Hello Christian, and what is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?609898 this], pb, too? We must look at all Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy books, to verify wheather it is pb or tp. But my opinion is, if Height '''or''' width is larger than the limit, then it is tp. Can you tell me, where I can read your definition in the rules, perhaps we must modify the rules? Easier is to change the limit for pb to max. 111 mm (with tolerance max. 116 mm), that is the solution for the most borderline tps/pbs by Heyne. What do you mean with "...do variant the items to their originals"? By the way, 7.25" = 18.415 mm--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:14, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::The problem is that paperback has a slightly different meaning than ''Taschenbuch'' (= pocket book), the latter meaning that it has to fit into a pocket (of trousers or a shirt). Nevertheless it is the German equivalent of the English / American paperback.<br />
::::::Thanks for catching the Kress novel, it does seem to have been assigned a false binding (likely because that part was taken from amazon, which should always be the last possible source for data: the older the publication the more amazon is likely to fail on all or part of the data). <br />
::::::The items (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2227371 this one]) still have to be varianted to their original titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:22, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Another thing: Is the art really by Bruck? It does seem to be identical to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7653 original artwork] by Frazetta. Is there any signing on the cover (as with the original piece)? Thanks for looking, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Hello Christian, I variant automatically after my last input (usually picture upload) and approving by moderator, you wrote '''items''' instead '''this item''', I was confused (blackout?), I've missunderstood it, because I've seen no context with our discussion about tp.<br />
:::::::pb or tp: I think a note about this is necessary in the rules. If it is enough to classify as pb, if one dimension is smaller than limit (and the other one larger...), it should be mentioned! Otherwise I'm not convinced that your opinion is right, but this is a matter of definition.<br />
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:::::::Stated on copyright page: "Umschlagbild: Herbert Bruck", there are no further information. You are right, both illustrations are similarly, but not identically. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:10, 13 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Well, all the things we wrote about have to do with the ''Conan'' anthology. I really meant items, as all the shortfictions of the anthology are not varianted to their original titles.<br />
:::::::: From time to time it happens that an artist copies the original art (as seems to have happened here). Maybe it would be better if you add a note to the publication? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:11, 13 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I didn't know, that I must variant all shortfictions, I will do it soon. A note above the "really" cover artist would be speculative, the only fact I know is stated on the copyright page, black on white. I have to think about it.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:25, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::I've rejected the joint credit to Bruck & Frazetta, let the speculations be speculations (your note is IMHO enough). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:40, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::The note is online. The first think is ever the better think.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:14, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Story lengths (Conan) ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, I've put your submission to change back (it's me that corrected them) the lengths of these texts [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2227369 Im Saal der Toten] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2227373 Die Stadt der Schädel]. Your submission would have the effect to have different lengths for the original text and for the translated one. To the best of my knowledge one of our presently unwritten rule is that the translation inherits its length from the parent, regardless of its "real" length (variations in length beetwen some languages being quite well known, a given text being for example significantly longer in german or french than in english, typically by 20%). There was some quite heated discussion on the subject due to the possible transition of books from the CHAPBOOK category to NOVEL when translated. As usual, it went nowhere and no clear decision was made except that the more vocal option was that (IIRC) novella-length texts that became novel-length in translation should still be treated as novellas. It may be interesting for you to bring the matter on the R&S page. Good luck. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:26, 18 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Hello Hauck, I did not know this unwritten rule, but my opinion and surely the opinion from the most database maker is that we only submit real, correct data. I'm wondering that here on the one hand we discuss every little thing on the other hand we manipulate data. Fact is, I can count e. g. 23 pages (Die Stadt der Schädel) then it is real a novelette and not a short story! All other interpretations have nothing to do with databases.<br />
: I probably don't start a new discussion, because my English is not so good, that I can represent my opinion reasonable. This is too tiring and time consuming.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:45, 19 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Well, I was also thinking along your lines (we're here to transcribe the strict reality) but alas it seems that it's not entirely our way of doing thing (a fact that I deplore). I've released your submission just in case another moderator has a more clear opinion on the subject. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:47, 19 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks, I ask myself, whether we need the distinction between short story, novelette and novella? Less is sometimes better than more.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:28, 20 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::It seems to me that our american users are quite fond of this separation, IMHO it's because of the main award's structure. Here (in France) we usually only distinguish between short fiction and novel.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:39, 20 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::: This is my opinion, too.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:26, 21 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Michael Whelau ==<br />
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Hi, I saw you are the verifier of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629241 Die Königin des Chaos], where Michael Whelau is given as cover artist. As it differs only in one position, could it be a typo for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1804 Michael Whelan]?--~~<br />
: My suspicion got confirmed at [http://www.chpr.at/buecher/m/moorcomb.htm Bibliographie deutschsprachiger Science Fiction-Stories und Bücher (3rd hit 'chaos' on that page)].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:11, 13 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Hello, at this time I'm on vacation, I will check, when I am back.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:17, 16 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
::"Michael Whelau" is stated on copyright page, but it seems to be a typo. I will accept your submission and make a note to this publication. Thanks for your hint.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:27, 18 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! There's another falsely credited cover art (for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629143 Der scharlachrote Prinz]). Thomas Schlück isn't an artist (maybe only early in his life he did some pencil drawings for fanzine--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:39, 16 September 2017 (EDT)s); he only has an agency for art & fiction. This art is also by Whelan. As there are some other issues with your latest additions for Bastei Lübbe Fantasy (thanks for them!), I'll correct & variant this to the original (you may want to add a note as for ''Die Königin des Chaos''). <br />
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You have added the ad pages at the end of the books to the page count, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages the help section] on that theme says otherwise. I'll correct this and change the format to pb for some publications erroneouslsy entered as tp. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:14, 14 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello Christian, Der scharlachrote Prinz: on the copyright page is stated "Titelillustration: Agentur Thomas Schlück", I don't can read another data. If the illustrator is really Michael Whelan please tell me your data source, then I can change my notes. <br />
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::For the data source see the cover title's parent.<br />
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:Die Königin des Chaos: the never ending story, it is no error, that I have entered the format as tp, in your Rules is stated: '''For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp".''' Note the logical connection with "or". This means that one value outside the border is sufficient to declare the book as tp. The width of this pub is indeed 1 mm wider (115 mm) than e. g. "Der scharlachrote Prinz". Although both books belong to the same pub. series, they have a different binding and that is fact. Any other statement is not conform.<br />
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::See earlier comments. Also, the publication series is a paperback series. The only trade paperback series from this publisher at that time (last century) was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?541 this].<br />
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:Additional pages: I've read the helping page several times, but this page is not very helpful, this confusion with numbered and unnumbered pages [] bracket or not is only confusing.<br />
:I've only seperated the story length from another additional pages, which don't belongs to the story (acknowledgement, publisher's list, preview, afterword, extract and so on). So I can see simply 123+[2] That means story=123 pages and any other pages=2 pages. It is my opinion, that this schema is simple, but understandable. But sometimes I've the feeling, that simplifications are not desirable. Perhaps the rules must be revised (recently I've read a discussion with this theme, but there was no result).<br />
::I think the rules are quite clear to not include ad pages at the end of a book. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 15 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
:In the end my motto is: enter data correctly, rather than bend data.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:41, 15 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::pb or tp: Sorry Christian, I can not tolerate false data to be published under my name. The rules are unambiguously: '''For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp".'''<br />
:::I will one more time correct your submission in my verified pubs, if this will not accept, it is the only way to delete all these false pubs, I think, this is my right. Too bad that your rules may not be applied correctly, this is my opinion. If there is another solution, please let me know. I would gladly continue to work here, but not necessarily under such conditions. I hope you understand.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:39, 16 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::Well, another solution would be to unverify the publications. But I'll try to change your mind about the matter.<br />
::::To leave a publication as tp invariably makes a statement of the publication series, i.e. all the other books of that format by a certain publisher in a time period. The best way would be to persuade the other verifiers of a publication series (like 'Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy') that these books are really trade paperbacks. <br />
::::To clarify the confusion, please also read the [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taschenbuch Wikipedia article] on 'Taschenbuch', then click on the left link bar of that essay on the English version and see to which article that leads to. Please note at its end the different characteristics of British and US paperbacks. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:48, 15 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::Hallo Christian, ich versuche es mal in deutsch, ich habe das Gefühl, es versteht mich keiner. Ihr, die Macher dieser Seite, definiert pb und tp über die Maße Länge x Breite. Und ich kann mich nur wiederholen, in den Regeln steht folgender Originalsatz: For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp". Das bedeutet für mich übersetzt: Bücher welche eine Breite von 11,5 cm (eigentlich genauer 11,43 cm) aufweisen werden als tp bezeichnet. Das habe ich mir doch nicht ausgedacht. Wenn allerdings diese Regel nicht gelten sollte, müsste sie korrigiert oder entfernt werden!<br />
:::::Ich bitte doch darum, dass Du auf diesen Punkt in Deiner Antwort eingehst, es hilft nicht auf Links zu verweisen,in denen die Historie der Formate beschrieben wird, das hat doch mit Euren selbstdefinierten Regeln nichts zu tun. Fazit: Auch unter Ausschöpfung aller Toleranzen bleibt es dabei, ein Buch mit der Breite 11,5 cm ist ein tp.<br />
:::::Und hier die Google-Übersetzung: Hello Christian, I try it this time in German, I have the feeling, no one understands me. You, the creator of this page, define pb and tp over the dimensions length x width. And I can only repeat myself, in the rules is the following original sentence: For books as tall as 7.25 "(19 cm) or as wide / deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp". This means for me: books which have a width of 11.5 cm (actually more precisely 11.43 cm) are referred to as tp. I have not figured that out. However, if this rule does not apply, it should be corrected or removed!<br />
:::::I would ask you to point to this point in your reply, it does not help to refer to links, in which the history of the formats is described, but has nothing to do with your self-defined rules. Conclusion: Even with exhausting all tolerances, it remains a book with the width 11.5 cm is a tp.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:11, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::::Yes, maybe the rules have to be corrected, they were established for the US market, where the boundaries are much more clearer. And the European (or German) 'pocket book' '''is''' the equivalent of the English paperback. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:52, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If I may chime in here: the rules have '''definitely''' to be corrected. If I remember correctly this topic has been brought up several times already and it seems to be a constant cause of data inconsistencies (some people stick to the size rules, others use some unwritten rules). [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_and_standards_discussions&oldid=493531#Publication_format_clarification.2C_please_--_moved_from_CP One year ago is has been discussed extensively], but the long discussion petered out without results. This problem should really be solved and settled for good and the results documented in the wiki because right now it's a frustrating situation which consumes time unnecessarily. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 05:51, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:I have made a proposal to change the rules, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Format_pb_vs._tp here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::On a related matter: I have removed the stated German series title from the noted for the Corum publications (''Bastei Fantasy'' #s 20001-20003 & 20005-20007, as they are nowhere stated on the pages containing editorial matter (covers, title & copyright pages); they only do appear as footnotes for the fictional intoductions (so, they could be made into a title series for these, if we would index them as entries on their own). While the novels are considered as fantasy, the notes are not. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:30, 9 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629143 Der scharlachrote Prinz] depth is wrong, maybe you mean thickness, if your notes in this form are ISFDB standard, then I really not belong to here.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:31, 17 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect price for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?614600 Das Komplott] ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. The price in Euro is incorrect since there still was DM as valid currency in 2001 (Euros became the currency on 2002-01-01). Please do enter the correct price. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:25, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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I also corrected (and will do so in the future) some formats (tp --> pb) and notes to the correct English capitalization. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:39, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
:Hello Christian, the price is correct and is stated on the back cover, have a look.<br />
:The format of this publication is correct as pb (114 mm), other formats with 115 mm I will change occasionally to tp, as long as it is in the rules or has that changed in the meantime?<br />
:What do you mean with "...notes to the correct English capitalization"?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:44, 22 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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::Correct capitalization is the art of using the right BIG or small letters.<br />
::I changed the uncorrect / invalid Euro price to the correct / valid DM price as stated on the back of "Das Komplott". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:00, 22 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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:::Both prices appear on the back cover, why is one of them wrong?<br />
:::Now I see your corrections, but the capitalization is intentional like as with headlines. I hope you have seen that the capitalization is only until the colons! This is similar like the links on the left side e. g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?716 here] or is this wrong, too?. In headlines all first letters are uppercase with exceptions. I have my own style to present my notes that cannot be wrong. Please tolerate it and better fix format errors, these errors are more important like this formatting styles.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:43, 25 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hello, Wolfram! The Euro price was not valid upon publication, it became only valid in 2002. And the notes are no headlines, they are comments. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:35, 4 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::::: Hallo Christian, es geht nicht um die "notes", sondern um meine "Struktur" der notes und diese Struktur ist so aufgebaut, dass die Bezeichnungen vor dem Doppelpunkt als Überschriften zu sehen sind.<br />
:::::Sollte das in dieser Form nicht möglich sein, werde ich in Zukunft keine Eintragungen mehr vornehmen und mich vermutlich aus diesem WIKI verabschieden. Es ist ein Unding, dass in einer Datenbank strukturierte Formatierungen nicht toleriert werden, dafür aber Falscheingabe von Daten und nun die Übersetzung in Englisch: <br />
::::: Hello Christian, It's not about the "notes", but about my "structure" of the notes and this structure is structured so that the names before the colon are to be seen as headings.<br />
:::::Should that not be possible in this form, I will make in the future no more entries and probably say goodbye to this WIKI. It is unfortunate that structured formatting is not tolerated in a database, but incorrect input of data.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:38, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::::::Notes are per se not headlines, they are only notes. Headlines are for titles of title types. It's not okay that one editor decides otherwise than all the other editors. Regards, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:27, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:::::::Links are no headlines, too, but the links [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?12044 here] on the left side are capitalized, e. g. "Help Navigating", "My Messages", "My Preferences" and so on , how can you explaine this?<br />
::::::: By the way, I wonder why suddenly my wanted capitalization was so meticulously criticized and corrected by you. I can gladly send you alternative links with real spelling errors, if you're bored. I have no interest in creating tediously structured, time-consuming notes that are then destroyed by you, I do not have that time! In any case, I have no great interest in continuing to work here. Merry Christmas.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:15, 26 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:::::::: Merry Christmas to you, too! I'd like to see you continue your work, but we do need some overall common standards. So, I didn't destroy any notes, I only adapted them to this standard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:27, 26 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Wolfram, I try to explain why the IFSDB uses what you call "headlines" (which are better called "labels"; in German "Beschriftung") in a capitalized form and why written text in notes shouldn't use it:<br />
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''Some'' (not all) design guides say that ''some'' labels (not all labels) which describe ''user interface elements'' (like links, tables, edit fields, buttons) should be capitalized. I don't know which design guide is or was the basis for the ISFDB web site, but an ''example'' for a capitalization guide (using slightly different rules than the ISFDB) is [https://code.vmware.com/web/standards/-/capitalization-of-ui-elements this one]. Other web sites use regular grammar instead, and no capitalization, for example see how [https://en.wikipedia.org Wikipedia] looks like.<br />
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So, why is something like '''Pub. Series''' capitalized if you view a publication like {{P|366508|this one}}? This maybe become clearer if you click the "edit" link in the publication record: the view turns into an edit form, where '''Pub. Series''' is the ''label'' for the edit field, it ''describes'' this user interface element.<br />
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''Notes'', however, contain free ''written text'' which uses regular grammar. So far I've not seen a design rule which recommends to use this kind of capitalization in notes.<br />
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Personally, I don't like this kind of capitalization in web sites very much and prefer regular grammar for the whole user interface the way Wikipedia uses it. But that's maybe because of my German point of view, which is already used to the (different) capitalization in German grammar.<br />
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Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 06:13, 27 December 2017 (EST)<br />
: Hallo Jens, ebenso gibt es keine Regel, die solch einen Stil mit Großschreibung explizit verbietet, oder? Vielleicht sollte man da etwas toleranter sein und sich den echten Fehlern zuwenden.<br />
: Ich habe bewusst diesen Stil gewählt, damit die notes nicht so unstrukturiert geschrieben werden, etliche Punkte (oder Labels, Überschriften), die ich aufführe, könnten auch genau so gut in die Eingabemaske übernommen werden, darüber gab es auch schon eine Diskussion. Leider scheint Ahasuerus damit ein Zeitproblem zu haben, es geht nicht voran. Das ist allerdings ein anderes Thema. Ich bin der Meinung, dass meine Art der notes-Darstellung nicht falsch ist, eher nicht gängig. Leider sitzen ja die Moderatoren am längeren Hebel, falls ich hier noch einmal Daten eingeben werde, wird das generell ohne notes geschehen. Das ist zwar schade, denn es fehlen dann doch einige interessante Daten, aber leider unvermeidlich. Wie ich schon angedeutet habe, ist es eher unwahrscheinlich, dass ich weiter hier tätig sein werde. Es gibt da noch einige Dinge, die mir nicht gefallen und die nicht geklärt werden können.<br />
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:Hello Jens, also there is no rule that prohibits such a style with capitalization explicitly, right? Maybe you should be a bit more tolerant and turn to the real mistakes.<br />
:I have deliberately chosen this style, so that the notes are not written so unstructured, a number of points (or labels, headings) that I perform, could also be just as well in the input mask, there was already a :discussion. Unfortunately, Ahasuerus seems to have a time problem with that, it is not progressing. That's another topic, though. I think my style of notes presentation is not wrong, not common. Unfortunately, the moderators sit on the longer lever, if I will enter here again data, this will generally be done without any notes. That's a pity, because it lacks some interesting data, but unfortunately inevitable. As I have already suggested, it is unlikely that I will continue to work here. There are some things that I do not like and that can not be clarified.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:14, 30 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::Sorry, Wolfram, but there are the English rules of writing that explicitly outrule your idiosyncratic style of notes. There's not only your side, but also the side of other users: the average one would think that we, the editors of ISFDB, can't even write English in a correct way.<br />
::Also, you may enter data with less information, but we'd still need some sources in the notes. <br />
::Have a nice end of 2017, and I hope to see you around here in 2018. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:14, 31 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Change of a publication series ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! Due to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Die_letzte_Siedlerin this discussion] we (the German moderators) came up with the change for post mid-1990s publications of Bastei Lübbe. This will also affect some of your verified ones, so don't be surprised. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 4 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Die Gärten des Mondes, anew ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, just to be sure, do you really want to delete nearly of the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608229 this pub]? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:38, 18 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:It seems so, but I recommended to just withdraw his primary verification (see two items above). I'd think we do need some of the stated information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:42, 18 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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::I have rejected your submission. Instead, there was the need to correct the entry: you stated it as a first printing, but that was priced in DM, not in Euros. Yours turned out to be the second printing: you may want to state the right date of publication. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:02, 21 January 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Hello Hauck, there are a lot of wrong data, which I did not enter, I will delete the complete submission. Other corrections of my primary verifications will follow. Please don't change my notes or other data. Thank you and bye bye.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:35, 24 January 2018 (EST)<br />
::::No problem, I nearly never change the contents of the note field as I think that's the only place where contributors can put what they want in the form they want (except offensive things) even if I do not agree with them. I see that's you're leaving us, it's always a sad thing to loose such a meticulous contributor as you.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:07, 24 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::No, that he does not, he only deletes verified publicatons without telling the primary verifier. <br />
:::::I've rejected some of your submissions but have done the deletion afterwards for you. Some others I've put on hold: it really seems better to do a removal of your primary verifications, if you don't subscribe to the correct English text. I'll also do a primary verification for those volumes I have in my stack. As you do want to delete them anyway, it sure is okay if I change the notes according to our standards (please do a removal of the pv if it still does not fit your copy/copies - but you might want to add your different ones). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:14, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::I have corrected the entry for ''Der Herr der Dunkelheit'', so that it fits our standards. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 19 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::: I've only tried to delete my own submissions, but you change the notes of my verified pubs without my ok and these changes have nothing to do with standards. That is not tolerable for me. By the way, note the order, first came your changes and then my deletion attempt and not vice versa. I only responded to your curious changes! --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:13, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: My changes only deal with our standards. I think the problem is that you neiter studied completely the standards of our database nor what others entered, and you have some of our concepts not right (publication vs. copy). It ''is'' a long process to get things right, and it takes a lot of time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Further bad news ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! On trying to verify some of the data you entered I found that some of them are only copy-specific: these are the measured ones (Length x width x depth & weight). I did measure some of my verified copies, and there were slight differences (likely due to the process of production). As they are valid only for one specific copy and not for the publication as a whole, it really seems better to specify or delete this information. What do you think? <br />
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(We do use copies to verify publications, but we don't verify single copies). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 19 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I don't know how to take your reaction: but it surely seems best to delete this copy-individual statemnets? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:39, 20 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:: I don't understand what you mean?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:17, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Sorry to intrude, but parhaps should you switch to german to try to understand each other. These are the joys of our multinational project. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:26, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Willkür ==<br />
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Hi, you enter a submission stating: Da sowieso die Formatangaben willkürlich korrigiert werden, wähle ich "other". The three options are ’pb’ for paperback; ’tp’ for trade paperback (bigger than 18cm), and ’hc’ for hardcover. You may want to read the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub field-by-field help] in other to see that 'Willkürlicheit' is not the issue.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:02, 20 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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: He was probably referring to border cases where the sizes given in the rules for the pub format don't exactly match what we consider paperback ("Taschenbuch") and trade paperback in Germany. Alas, is not as simple as just "bigger than 18cm" and leads to some paperbacks ("Taschenbücher") being entered as "tp" whereas other editors use "pb". See [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Format_pb_vs._tp]] for the last discussion about it. I will forever cherish the day this time-consuming source of frustration will finally have been resolved. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 11:10, 21 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd prefer a drop-down box -with a clear choice as to what to enter in the format field- myself too.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:47, 22 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::: Your statement ''tp is bigger than 18 cm'' is wrong, the rule say exact: '''For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"''', there is no reason for discussion. By the way 18,415 cm = 7,25" and 11,43 = 4,5".--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:35, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Pub Delete(s) ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, I'm probably a bit dense, but why do you want to delete some publications? Do you mean that the books themselves don't exist? Is it just a question of formalism? Do you want to suppress from the db the data that you entered? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:03, 22 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:More and more I have the impression that you, Wolfram, participated here under false ideas of the purpose and the standards of ISFDB:<br />
: 1) You seem to take this as an extension of your privacy (or at least the publications / copies you verified). This is not the case: primary verified records are bound to be changed for some reasons: most notably the correction of typographical errors, the addition of notes, the correction of false data, and the addition of missing contents. Every editor has the right to submit such changes; the first two types will be approved of by moderators without further discussion in most cases, the latter two usually need to be discussed with the primary verifiers. Since you have multiple cases of the latter two I notified you that I'll make corrections regarding the third without a special notification for each case to save time. For the fourth kind I did some additions that you mistakenly only noted but did not enter as contents.<br />
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: 2) It is '''not''' okay to delete existing publications, so please stop trying to do so; you may delete your primary verification if you can't subscribe to the correct data.<br />
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: 3) It is also not okay to try to implement formats that are regarded by all (or the vast majority) of editors (and publishers and authors) as a different kind: it is not just me who regards the softbound pocket books as equivalents to the paperbacks; in fact, you will have difficulty in finding a second voice speaking for your position. <br />
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: So, it's up to you to decide if you still want to take part in our joint effort or not. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:49, 23 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::I concur with Christian, I suppose that you want to "retake back" data that you entered. Alas, this data is no more yours to dispose of, it's now the "property" of our shared project and you can't delete it because you entered part of it. Even if I may understand and share your feelings of exasperation about the db and its way of working (too much talkers and not a lot of doers) as I sometimes share them and have been tempted to walk away, deleting exact data is simply not correct. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:12, 23 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:::I've put a new batch on hold, on what grounds do you want to delete these publications? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:48, 2 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::Google Übersetzung:<br />
::::@Hauck, I would like to delete my data, because they have been changed in a form that neither my approval nor have been accepted by me.<br />
::::I think that is part of the intellectual property right. In any case, thank you for your support.<br />
::::@Christian, 1. It is true, I see my submissions as my intellectual property, which should not be distorted or changed contrary to my principles.<br />
::::2. See point 1.<br />
::::3. See ISFDB Rules.<br />
::::I will not make any further entries in the future, if necessary correct data. A pity, at first it looked quite good. But over time, it has turned out that my view of correct data and formatting does not agree with your view.<br />
::::It's just useless to support a database where wrong data is entered. I hope you can find many spelling mistakes, maybe with other users.<br />
::::Maybe there will be times when I will be active again, but that is unlikely.<br />
::::Despite everything, I wish you all a lot of fun and success in entering correct data.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:36, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry, but all the data really seems to be correct. I'm sorry if I should have introduced any new faults while correcting your mistakes. Please state where there is incorrect data or wrong notes. Thanks for your upcoming cooperation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:59, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== "pb" vs. "tp" (again) ==<br />
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Hi Wolfram, it's been discussed several times already that the current definition for "pb" and "tp" in the help doesn't match exactly what we call "Taschenbuch" and "Paperpack" in German, and that a solution has to be put into the help. Please remember that sometimes the help simply is not up-to-date (or does not match a specific market yet, like the German one in this case) and that there's something called "current practice" or "best practice" (unwritten rules which are considered by moderators to be correct). As for "Taschenbuch" it's just common sense: in Germany a "Taschenbuch" with a width of 11.5 cm is ''not'' a trade paperback, no matter what the currently written rules say. Example: first there was a "tp" edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576255 Am Ende aller Zeiten] by Fischer Tor, and it was later re-issued by Fischer Tor [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?633155 as "Taschenbuch"]. According to the current help, both should be "tp" because of their size, but this would obviously be wrong because the second one ''is'' a "Taschenbuch". Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 06:36, 24 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Hello Jens, but a book with the width 115 mm isn't a pb, but anything other. If pb means in Germany "Taschenbuch", then all softcover books are pbs? It is difficult to work with data, if the rules are not valid. I think common sense has nothing to do with a database. It seems to be chaos. What is the exactly definition of "Taschenbuch" in German?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:33, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Good question. If every country (via the moderators that live there) is free to add its own idiosyncratic formats, this is the perfect way to have a maximum and splendid chaos. For those not used to moderate other people submissions, just be aware that this will be a nightmare to explain.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:52, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: We're in the process of finalizing new rules especially for German "Taschenbuch" and "Paperback" and it looks like the software will also get special entries to select from for the publication format. See [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Format_pb_vs._tp__-_interim_solution_for_German_publications]]. Hopefully we will have a documented definition for German formats as soon as all is finished. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 14:02, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::I rest my case, the multiplication of "national" formats is really not a good idea (for example, in France we've got the "semi-poche" format, should it be added?). It's complicated enough to make new contributors correctly use the three (just three!) main formats (pb, tp, hc) without adding a new layer of complexity. This choice of complexification over simplicity is alas quite typical of the R&S discussions, that usually are not very perceptive of the difficulties encountered in contributing to the db. This is not directed against you (as a new moderator) or against Christian (that has done his share) but usually the louder advocates of complexification are those that are not frequently on the front lines to explain their brillant rules to the newbies. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:26, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I see you point regarding complexity. Personally, I'd actually prefer to even get rid of the ''current'' complexity with "tp" and "pb" and merge them together to just "sc" (for "softcover"). Librarything does it this way. "hc or sc" - that'd be pretty easy to decide for a book. But since this is not going to happen I really like a solution to get rid of the recurring, time-consuming discussions about "pb or tp" for German softcovers, which only emerge because of rules not matching the German market. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:25, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::::Entirely OK with you for the "sc" idea. As this unlikely to happen, I'd just wish for a precise enough set of criteria that will put any book in '''one and only one''' of the existing three main categories (including our elusive german taschenbuch). Alas, this will never happen, there will be talk and talk and talk, no vote of the community, no decision and we'll be back to square one. You'll understand why I've decided, a few months ago, not to participate in R&S discussions. I feel (perhaps wrongly) that my ISFDB time is better used to help other contributors. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:41, 26 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::::: I completely agree with you Herve. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:05, 26 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Das ist doch relativ einfach: Wenn Regeln erstellt werden, die ein Format nach den Maßen definieren (Länge x Breite) und diese Regeln dann nicht befolgt werden dürfen, weil sie nicht passen, dann müssen diese Regeln geändert/ergänzt werden. Das ist Sache der Administratoren.<br />
::::::::Ich habe gerade gelesen, dass es da gute Ansätze gibt, bis dann irgendeiner wieder daherkommt und sagt, dass alles so bleiben soll wie bisher. Und wieder ist alles vorbei...<br />
::::::::Übrigens, zum Erstellen von Regeln braucht man einen gesunden Menschenverstand, aber nicht zum Befolgen der Regeln!<br />
::::::::Wenn jemand an meiner Meinung interessiert ist, dann bevorzuge ich die Unterteilung in Softcover und Hardcover, das wird ja wohl jeder begreifen. Die Maße, die meiner Meinung nach auch recht wichtig sind, können dann ja, wenn bekannt, in die Eingabemaske eingetragen werden.<br />
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::::::::Google Übersetzung:<br />
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::::::::This is relatively simple: If rules are created that define a format by measure (length x width) and then these rules can not be followed because they do not fit, then these rules must be amended / supplemented. That's the responsibility of the administrators.<br />
::::::::I have just read that there are good approaches, until then someone comes back and says that everything should remain as before. And again everything is over ...<br />
::::::::By the way, to create rules you need common sense, but not to follow the rules!<br />
::::::::If anyone is interested in my opinion, then I prefer the subdivision into softcover and hardcover, that will probably understand everyone. The dimensions, which in my opinion are also quite important, can then, if known, be entered in the input mask.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:42, 8 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: Once again: paperback (as standard for the USA) means here at ISFDB ''mass market paperback'' (that's why the term was changed), and that is exactly the idea for 'Taschenbuch', when Rowohlt, Heyne and others started their lines in the 1950s. The format rules were derived from the givings of the US market, but the formats do differ in other countries. The trade paperback isn't aimed at the mass market and has a somewhat different philosophy of publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:50, 8 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Dann wäre es konsequent alle länderspezifischen gängigen Formate in die Auswahlliste zu übernehmen, für GB: z. B. A Format, B Format, C Format.<br />
For USA: Mass Market Paperback, Trade Paperback, Hardcover. <br />
Germany: Taschenbuch, Broschur, Klappenbroschur, Hardcover (oder Gebundene Ausgabe) und so weiter.<br><br />
Google:<br />
Then it would be consistent to include all country-specific popular formats in the selection list, for GB: e. g. A Format, B Format, C Format.<br />
For USA: Mass Market Paperback, Trade Paperback, Hardcover.<br />
Germany: Taschenbuch, Broschur, Klappenbroschur, Hardcover (or Gebundene Ausgabe) and so on.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 07:27, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Um das Ganze übersichtlicher zu machen, könnte man zwei Dropdown-Listen erstellen. Liste 1 mit der Angabe des Herkunftslandes und Liste 2 mit den dazugehörigen länderspezifischen Formaten. [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropdown-Liste siehe Wikipedia]<br />
:Google: To make the whole thing clearer, you could create two dropdown lists. List 1 with the country of origin and List 2 with the corresponding country-specific formats--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 02:01, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: @Hauck, it should also be expected a newbee to make a choice of format from several possibilities.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:05, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hi, Wolfram! In a way, this would be the best thing, but according to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#The_paperback_formats_again this parallel discussion] there doesn't seem to be a majority in favour of this. To avoid two threads you may want to join in over there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:03, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Notifications for verifiers and sources ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, <br />
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Can you please notify the verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3804454 this change] and indicate (here, in this message) the source for this publisher change? I know that our Goldmann/Blanvalet records are a bit... mixed up but just randomly changing one book (a verified at that) does not make much sense without at least mentioning why. Do you have the book at hand and if so, what is in the book itself? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:49, 2 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, Annie recruited me to help with this while she's away. If you answer her questions, I can help figure out what to do with the information. Thanks, --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:09, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::How many times I must notify the verifier, two times or more?<br />
::Blanvalet is no pub. series, the publisher is Blanvalet, look at the front cover.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:06, 10 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::Sorry, I see you discussed this with the primary verifier last year. I think Annie did not see that. I will accept the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:23, 11 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: Annie ist a little bit hyperactiv, the permanent reminder of notifying is sometimes unnecessary, I think.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:12, 20 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The last post ==<br />
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Do not worry, the only reason why I am still sporadically active here is my promise to Kelly McCullough to publish his German translations of the series "Fallen Blade". After completion I will say goodbye. But that can take longer. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:33, 20 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Personally, I think that you should stay. Even if, as I said above, such a project can be exasperating with a bit too much talk (and too little action) and a certain tendency to avoid taking decisions and organising kangaroo courts for those who do and a general lack of support for those in the front lines (I just only hear a very loud silence when I read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/9/9f/Isfdb_3.JPG this] in spite of very nice speeches about respect and so on...). But such a project is, IMHO and AFAIC, SF-bibliographically-wise important enough to carry on regardless of such inconveniences. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:45, 20 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::That is the lowest level, what was the consequence?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:52, 6 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Schwarze Tränen'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! Welcome back, what did make you change your mind?<br />
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I just added notes to the Thomas Finn novel and changed the publisher (per DNB), as you seem to have missed out on this, and had just "Data from Deutsche Nationalbibliothek", which becomes meaningless upon verifying. Take a look and correct if the publisher is in fact stated otherwise, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:19, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I can reassure you, I'm not back. I've only change the pages, the other data doesn't interest me. If this is not right, delete my submission.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:49, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::For an inactive editor, you've become quite active again. ;-) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:25, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Only rest of work, active looks different.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:51, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Drohende Schatten ==<br />
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Hello, It seems that the German order of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?631 Wheel of time] series of Bechtermünz is different than in English. Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612620 Drohende Schatten] pub is probably the translation of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1245 The Shadow Rising]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 04:45, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:I corrected various errors for this publication (especially the page count: if pages are numbered we don't use the [] for them, as communicated to you before, see also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages the help] on this). There also was content to be added, which you missed out on. Please try to maintain the standards that are common for ISFDB. In addition, as this is not the first edition, it would have been much better to add the first Heyne edition from 1993 before, or at least date the titles to their first appearance in that year: I have done that for you. (The original title seems to be right, according to the Heyne bibliography, though). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
::Google translator: Unfortunately, these changes of my notes are not consistent with my level of quality (wirres Durcheinander/confusion), which is one of the reasons for ending my productive activities, and unfortunately that is closely related to your person.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:09, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::The notes had to be changed due to various errors, mostly connected with the erroneous page count and the omitted contents. In this case you gave 489 as standard page count plus more than [20] unnumbered pages, which were in fact numbered as per your notes. So, the quality of your not-up-to-ISFDB-standard has been improved. Please do a thorough study of how we do enter page counts: if your standard for that and ours do not match, it is in fact the unfortunate task for us moderators to improve entries that don't fit with ISFDB, as different standards would in fact lead to chaos in our database. You should try to understand this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:25, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::I don't mean the change of data, this may be correct, but you change my style, e. g. I wrote "Cover Design (Umschlaggestaltung): Adolf Bachmann, Reischach" you changed this in "The cover design ("Umschlaggestaltung") is credited to Adolf Bachmann, Reischach." This is a manipulation of my original text and a bad style, this is only one example, the most of my notes were changed in this format (from you), you change permanent my primary verified submissions without sense and reason, like you use it for your own submissions and this is one reason to end my activity. These changes I called bad level of quality.<br />
::::I could complain about that or about you, too, but it is better to finish here, as annoying oneself permanently and wasting time pointless, I feel with Hauck (partly Google translator).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:35, 12 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Template talk:TitleFields:Length ==<br />
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Please note that the Wiki page which you edited earlier today, [[Template talk:TitleFields:Length]], is a Help ''Talk'' page, i.e. a page where editors discuss what Help should say. Historical discussions posted there should not be altered by other editors after the fact. If you would like to suggest a change to Help, please post a separate proposal on the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:04, 18 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I don't want to start a discussion about logical errors, there is no doubt that e. g. one and one is two. Feel free to undone my changes. BTW I had started a discussion, but without answer/comments.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:45, 18 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Even if you think that an editor has made logical errors in a Wiki comment, please do not try to correct them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:04, 18 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry, I forgot that such decisions are not welcome. Another reason to end the active phase.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:00, 19 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::: If you believe that another editor's argument is flawed, please feel free to respond and explain the flaw. However, changing other editors' arguments on discussion pages is not allowed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:44, 19 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've understood. Moderators can change data and formulations without justification (look theme my "notes") a normal user is not allowed to do that. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:04, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: There is a difference between:<br />
::::::* moderators editing submitted data for clarity and readability, and<br />
::::::* changing the contents of other users' discussion posts<br />
:::::: The former is allowed and encouraged. The latter is not allowed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:22, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I have invested a lot of time to make my submissions clear, logical, informative, understandable and then they are changed to look like kindergarten, but there is no comment from you. I've tried to clear discrepances between pb/tp without result. No wonder, that I'm frustrated and want to give up to work here. The only help from you is the tip to start a new discussion. Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:04, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== This is the end... ==<br />
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I will no more act as active user, some times I will give a comment or correct wrong data, typos or other mistakes (perhaps fire? moderators). Unfortunately, it did not work out the way I had imagined, although I was thrilled at first, but my motivation dropped rapidly. Guilt is diverging opinions about true and false data and unjustified changed data from my submissions. Add to that the language barrier, because my english is very bad (most of the time I use the Google translator). The permanent discussion without results is another reason to stop working here and some other reasons, but I've no time to explain all this.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:38, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for your contributions and good luck. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:41, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?510654 Der Pfad des schwarzen Lichts] ==<br />
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Sadly, again vital information (edition no., cover artist, map) was missing from this publication. I added those. Please think about adding the other content you mention and also to other publication you added. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:10, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
: This is my original text of notes:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>Other Price[s]: €18.50 (Austria)</li><br />
<li>Cover: <br />
<ul><br />
<li>with front and back flaps</li> <br />
<li>front partly coated high gloss</li><br />
</ul></li><br />
<li>Height x Width: 215 x 135 mm</li><br />
<li>Weight: 705 gram</li><br />
<li>Table of Content: on unnumbered page[s] #7 - #9</li><br />
<li>Additional Page[s]:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>1 unnumbered page[s] #569 with “picture”</li><br />
<li>4 unnumbered page[s] #570 - #573 with “map”</li><br />
<li>1 unnumbered page[s] #574 without content</li><br />
<li>1 unnumbered page[s] #575 with “note of thanks”</li><br />
</ul></li><br />
<li>Data Source: price[s] stated by “Deutsche Nationalbibliothek”</li><br />
</ul><br />
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:What is your reason to change these correct data?<br />
:I can see "map", but where you see the 1st edition and 1st printing, what's the meaning of "aparent"? <br />
:You are welcome to insert data but without changing my existing correct data. I feel that as impudence and it is not in the sense of the existing rules.<br />
:Nor is it in the spirit of a primary verifier to gather all the important information not found in the book. That would be secondary verification.<br />
:Maybe Ahasuerus should intervene here and speak a word of power!<br />
:Since I'm no longer actively involved, I only react to unjustified changes to my data.<br />
:Finally, I will delete the primary verification, since your changes do not match my level. Happy new year. (Google Übersetzer).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:52, 1 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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::A happy new year to you! The reason for changing the entry was the same as for previous ones, which have been communicated to you before quite often: you seem to be content with it and the data may be sufficient for your purposes, but it is insufficient for ISFDB and its users, as the record(s) miss out on listing all the contents, the editions & printings, and the correct pagination as well as the correct English spelling. For all of this reasons the entries and their accompanying notes have to be adapted to ISFBD standards, and since you have chosen to retreat from contributing (not to speak of correcting your verified publications), it is the moderators sorry task to care for the betterment. Please do consider to come back and help. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:03, 4 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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I have also corrected your insufficient entries for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516798 Das Königreich der Lüfte] and the follow-up [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516825 Das Königreich jenseits der Wellen].<br />
For the first you only entered the following (similar to the second volume)<br />
Other Price[s]: €10.30 (Austria)<br />
Publisher Code: 53376<br />
Translator: Kirsten Borchardt<br />
Cover: front partly coated high-gloss<br />
Height x Width: 186 x 118 mm<br />
Weight: 633 gram<br />
Last Unnumbered Page of Text: #781 contains the rest of the novel<br />
Additional Page[s]: 1 unnumbered page with "acknowledgement"<br />
As it's plain to see you missed out on the edition & the printing rank; you also had entered a wrong page count of 781 & the erroneous format of tp. If there are more of those insufficient entries please do correct them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:31, 5 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Wenn ich keine Daten eingetragen habe, dann gibt es auch keine Daten im Buch (kann natürlich sein, dass ich das übersehen habe, kann ich momentan nicht überprüfen), übrigens, Daten mit "apparent" entsprechen nicht unbedingt meinem Qualitätsniveau (mit einer unglücklichen Ausnahme)...<br />
:Bleibt immer noch die Frage, mit welchem Recht Du meine Notizen veränderst? Und damit meine ich nicht die Eintragung von Daten, sondern das Verändern meines Schreibstils. Wo steht geschrieben, dass Deine Art zu schreiben richtiger ist als meine? Bitte zeig mir die entsprechende Hilfeseite.<br />
:Warum ist z. B. "Cover: front partly coated high-gloss" falsch, was ist an "The front cover is partly coated with high-gloss." (Deine Variante) richtiger? Warum darfst Du [ ] benutzen, ich nicht? "#", ":" sind anscheinend auch nicht erlaubt und so weiter...<br />
:Bleibt nur noch der Kindergartenstil.<br />
:Alle meine Eintragungen werden von Dir in dieser Form verfälscht. Das kann ich nicht tolerieren, denn schließlich verändere ich ja auch nicht grund- und sinnlos Deine Notizen nach meinem Geschmack!<br />
:Da ich aber keine Zeit habe, Deine Korrekturen wieder rückgängig zu machen, werde ich nur den PV löschen und hoffe, Ihr werdet glücklich mit meinen Daten.<br />
:Ich würde gerne weiter mitarbeiten, aber Dein Verhalten und auch das des Administrators Ahasuerus verhindern das. Warum sollte ich Zeit für die Eingabe von Daten verschwenden, wenn die Daten doch wieder gelöscht, geändert, verfälscht werden? Was soll man mit einem Administrator anfangen, der nur diskutiert und keine Entscheidungen treffen will oder kann?<br />
:Pech für Euch, Ihr verliert einen engagierten Mitarbeiter.<br />
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:Google Übersetzung:<br />
:If I did not enter any data, then there is no data in the book (of course I can not see that, I can not check right now), by the way, data with "apparent" does not necessarily match my quality level (with one unfortunate exception ) ...<br />
:The question still remains, with which right you change my notes? And I do not mean the entry of data, but the changing of my writing style. Where is it written that your way of writing is more correct than mine? Please show me the corresponding help page.<br />
:Why is e. g. "Cover: front partly coated high-gloss" wrong, what's wrong with "The front cover is partly coated with high-gloss." (Your variant) more correct? Why are you allowed to use [], not me? "#", ":" are apparently not allowed and so on ...<br />
:Only the kindergarten style remains.<br />
:All my entries will be falsified by you in this form. I can not tolerate that, because after all I do not change your notes to my liking!<br />
:But since I have no time to undo your corrections, I will only delete the PV and hope you will be happy with my data.<br />
:I would like to continue to work, but your behavior and that of the administrator Ahasuerus prevent this. Why should I waste time on entering data when the data is deleted, changed, and falsified? What should you do with an administrator who only discusses and can not or will not make decisions?<br />
:Bad luck for you, you lose an involved employee.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:58, 7 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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::It's always sad to lose an editor. But to talk of being engaged is not true, for somebody who shows absolutely no engagement to correct the corrupted data & notes entered in the first place, after being told quite often what is correct and what the standards of ISFDB are. Getting loud only when somebody goes to apply the standards, but putting the sand in the head (or was it vice versa?) for the rest of the time, seems to be miles away from a constructive engagement. So, it was again left to us moderators to correct the erroneous page count and non-standard use of the English language for some of your verified books. I am sorry for that, but your politics of irresponsibility for ISFDB leaves not much choice. <br />
::If there are other publications with erroneous informtion PVed by you, you might still be able to become constructive. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 1 February 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Ich werde hier nur noch aktiv, wenn meine korrekt eingegebenen Daten verändert werden, wie Sie es wieder getan haben.<br />
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:::Meine Notizen sind in Aufzählungsform dargestellt, da kann man eigentlich keine Fehler bemängeln, tatsächlich gibt es auch keine. Warum Sie die Aufzählungstexte verändern ist mir schleierhaft. Eine Vermutung habe ich ja, das habe ich aber schon an anderer Stelle kundgetan.<br />
:::Wenn es Regeln für Notizen geben sollte, dann bitte ich um einen Link, der dahin führt... Ich bezweifle aber, dass es diese Seite gibt, verwechseln Sie vielleicht Ihre Regeln mit denen von ISFDB?<br />
:::Wie schon mehrmals bemerkt, falsche Daten ändern ist in Ordnung, fehlerfreie Texte ändern ist eine Unverschämtheit und hat mit Fehlerkorrektur nichts zu tun!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:10, 4 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::: As explained numerous times above: Faults in your verified publications include: erroneous formats & page counts (every time contrary to the help pages), mistaken use of English spelling, false print rank, missing contents, unsourced data (for edition, printing, cover & interior art), missing accounts of dimension statements. Since you only become active when those faults get corrected, but prefer to don't do anything about it the rest of the time, your complaints seem pretty much without any substance. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:38, 8 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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::::: Das ist ja merkwürdig. Alle angeblichen Fehler wurden nach meiner Eingabe von den Moderatoren geprüft und akzeptiert, auch meine Schreibweise, meine Listendarstellung und alle anderen Formatierungen.<br />
:::::Auf einmal ist das alles falsch? Das nenne ich unerklärlich (armselig). Ich warte immer noch auf eine Antwort auf meine Frage.<br />
:::::Und noch einmal der Hinweis, ich werde hier nicht mehr aktiv agieren. Fast 100 Eingaben und alles umsonst, reine Zeitverschwendung. Wenn denn Ihr Schreibstil die Regel/Standard sein soll, dann habe ich hier nichts verloren. Wenn weitere ungerechtfertigte Änderungen vorgenommen werden, distanziere ich mich von diesen Eingaben, mit diesem Kindergartengeschreibsel (anders kann ich das nicht ausdrücken) möchte ich nicht in Verbindung gebracht werden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:43, 28 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::::And again you did not correct the relevant data for ''Dämonentränen''<br />
:::::You stated<br />
:::::- 1 numbered page #381 with "preview"<br />
:::::- 4 numbered pages #382 - #385 with "afterword and note of thanks"<br />
:::::- 3 numbered pages #386 - #388 with "publisher's list"<br />
:::::but as usual with the data you supply that's not as per our definition of the page count. Please take a look at our rules. I'll correct the page count & the notes for you again (also as per ISFDB nomenclature and a correct use of the English language). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:20, 9 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::While at it I coorected the other novels by the same author accordingly. And let me add a personal note: if the correct use & understanding of the English language is not your highest capability, why don't you take on the help that has been offered to you? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:45, 9 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::::Es geht hier nicht um die englische Sprache sondern um das willkürliche Ändern von Formulierungen und Daten in den Notizen (ähnlich wie bei Rudam), alles Weitere wurde bereits mehrfach gesagt.<br />
::::::Die Definition der Seitenzahl ist so ziemlich das Schlimmste, was ich in den Regeln gefunden habe, so uneffizient und undurchschaubar, dass es weh tut. Allerdings lohnt es nicht darüber eine Diskussion zu beginnen, es wird sowieso kein Ergebnis geben (u. a. siehe Diskussion pb/tp). Übrigens, hinter meinen Angaben zur Seitenzahl steckt schon ein System. Finden Sie es heraus. Bitte achten Sie auf Ihre Rechtschreibung.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:24, 16 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Dunkle Schuld'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram, I have put your submission on hold as it tries to change the format to tp, whereas it seems to be a pb as recorded at DNB and amazon. Do you own any special, different edition? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:31, 19 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Erledigt. Die falsche Seitenzahl kann auch so stehenbleiben, passt schon zu ISFDB.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:19, 24 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Der Herr des Feuers'' ==<br />
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I enhanced the stub record for this publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:08, 9 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
:...und ich habe wie bereits angekündigt meinen primären Überprüfungsstatus geändert/storniert. Ich weiss auch nicht, warum ich mir dieses Theater immer wieder antue...--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:07, 9 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Anna Smith Spark ==<br />
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Can you please share the source for your update of the birthplace of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?252248 Anna Smith Spark] to London? I approved it by mistake but then pulled it out as I can find no reference to her being born there (all references are about her living there). Also can you also please use the proper format: "London, England, UK" and not "London/England/UK" when updating birthplaces. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:53, 24 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Quelle Geburtsort: "Das Reich der zerbrochenen Klingen" Seite 02. Das Format "London/England/UK" gefällt mir persönlich besser, Komma als Trennzeichen ist eher unglücklich.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:49, 25 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for citing the source, I will restore it and add the source in the notes. As for the format of the field - this is a community project and personal preferences in formatted fields are not in the spirit of it - every time you use /, you are requiring a moderator to update after you to fix the record so it is consistent with the other books. While the Notes field is free text, most of the other fields have their rules (most of them so they are parseable for Statistics and so on). So please consider actually using the correct format. Thanks in advance! Are you planning to add the German version of the book or do you want me to? <br />
:: PS: And please, use English :) Even if quite a lot of editors around here understand German. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:53, 25 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Auf meiner Seite wird deutsch bevorzugt, ich empfehle den Google Übersetzer.<br />
::: Was die Notizen angeht, muss ich widersprechen, es gibt nach Aussagen des Nutzers Stonecreek Regeln, nämlich seine eigenen. Wo diese Regeln nachzulesen sind konnte (wollte) er allerdings nicht beantworten.<br />
::: Das ist auch der Grund, warum ich hier keine Daten mehr eingeben will (bis auf seltene Ausnahmen), da diese sowieso wieder geändert, manipuliert, gelöscht oder auch verfälscht werden. Fairerweise möchte ich hinzufügen, dass es bisher nur einen Moderator gibt, der das praktiziert.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:27, 30 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The official language of the DB is English so instead of sending me to Google translate, why don't you take your own advice and use it? I read German just fine but not everyone does. <br />
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:::: We are not discussing the Notes here, we are discussing a structured field (birth place) where you have a preferred format that is at odds with the expected one. So I will just ask you again to use the expected format in this field. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:26, 30 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::Es handelt sich um eine falsche Aussage bezüglich der Notizen, die ich kommentiert habe.<br />
:::::Das Thema "Geburtsort" ist abgeschlossen und muss nicht weiter diskutiert werden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 02:30, 6 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Hüter der Wolken ==<br />
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What is the size of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?743921 this one]? The rest of the series seem to be all pb so making sure we have the correct formats. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:47, 9 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: 186 x 125 mm, gemäß Regeldefinition von ISFDB ist das ein tp. Aber da gibt es ja verschiedene Diskussionen!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:09, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: As the answer is incomprehensible for non-English speakers, I'll correct the entry per ISFDB standard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Ich habe nichts anderes von Ihnen erwartet, aber gerade nicht englisch sprechende Nutzer können meinen Beitrag verstehen! Das Umschlagbild wird hoffentlich noch geändert oder ist das auch nicht regelkonform? Aber was rege ich mich auf, ich bin es ja gewohnt, dass Daten willkürlich geändert werden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:06, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::: Wolfram: As noted above (by AnnieMod): It is necessary to phrase your answers in English, because the majority of moderators, editors and users don't understand German. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::: Why “correct” it, a width/height/smaller dimmension of 125 mm makes that a tp indeed. I will reverse the change. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:39, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Since when does it do that? This are 12.5 cm ! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:46, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::: yes. 1 cm too wide to be pb. The cutoff is at 11 cm, with a grace size till 11.5. 12.5 is 1 cm too wide. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format the rules page]: "For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"." It is annoying that this makes almost all European books tp but until the wording is changed, 12.5 makes a book a tp. If you want to start a R&S discussion for changing that and adding an exception for European books to fit the 12.5s in, I will support it. But under the current rule, it is a tp. 13:52, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Removing first printing ==<br />
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If [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4465970 this] gets approved, we will need to also set the date to 0000-00-00 (unless you have a source for the date in your book). Any source or should I make it 0000-00-00? And is there nothing in the book to show printing order? Usually for most publishers, that would mean first printing...[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:02, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: The first part (first edition) that you are trying to remove is visible on the back cover scan and I cannot imagine a better source than that. So why do you want to remove it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:04, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Alle Daten, die ich als "Primary verifier" eingebe stammen zwingend aus dem Buch anderenfalls wird eine Quelle angegeben, andere Nutzer, die das Buch nicht besitzen, sollten schon dazu schreiben woher die Daten stammen (auch wenn sie in diesem Fall auf dem Cover zu erkennen sein sollen), z. B. source: backcover.<br />
::"Originalausgabe" bedeutet nicht unbedingt "first edition" oder irre ich mich da?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:42, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: From what I had seen in the German pubs, Originalausgabe (aka "original edition") means exactly what first edition means. We can change that to "Original/First edition" if you prefer. <br />
::: And removing the data when it is visible on the cover is not really a good idea. Add to it to mention the source of you must but flat removal is counterproductive. <br />
::: Back to that date: So can you please cite the source for the date? Is it on the copyright page? Somewhere else? Even as a PV, you should say where each piece of information is coming from - which part of the book. If the date is printed as is, then you are very likely to have a first printing. We can add a "non-stated" if you want to but unless you are claiming 2 printings in 1 month (source?) which are unrecognizable from each other, the date is enough to identify it as first printing. So you cannot have it both ways - either the date is correct and it is a first printing or it is not and we change to 0000-00-00 (and we create a separate record for the first edition) or you provide a source that says that there were two printings in that month and we mark this as unknown printing and add a new one for the first. So what is the date of that book? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:50, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::: Siehe oben. Die Daten stammen alle aus dem Buch (Primary verifier) und benötigen keine Extra-Quelle. Ob die Daten auf Seite 10 oder sonst wo im Buch stehen ist völlig irrelevant. Ich kenne keinen Hinweis, dass das Buch die Erstausgabe und/oder 1. Auflage ist, an Vermutungen oder Hypothesen beteilige ich mich nicht. Das ist keine gesunde Grundlage für eine Datenbank. Da es aber anscheinend bei manchen Nutzern üblich ist, Daten zu "verbiegen", wundert mich gar nichts mehr.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:01, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::Das ist auch der Grund, warum ich hier kaum noch Daten eingebe.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:08, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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::::: Except when tries to figure out if they have the same book - when you do not enter where the data is, that is impossible. This is the whole point if the details we record - to find all the possible printings and editions. At this point we know that :<br />
:::::* There is a first printing with that date (which you claim is not your book)<br />
:::::* There s your book (which you refuse to add details about)<br />
::::: The date belongs to the first book for sure. If it belongs to yours as well, we need to know how it was determined so someone can match theirs to yours. Clicking a box that says "I have the book" does not mean "and I do not need to tell you anything about it". It means "I have and and I want to share all the information it contains". We have a rule for undated printings - they do not get a date from their first printings.<br />
::::: So please share where the date is printed exactly and I will be more than happy to accept the change, add this to your notes and create another unverified copy for a first printing (which must exist if there are later ones). If the data is there, it will take you a lot less time to just answer than it took you to argue that you have the right not to answer that questions. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:57, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::: Abgesehen davon, dass ich nur die Hälfte verstanden habe, auch der Google Übersetzer ist nicht sehr hilfreich:<br><br />
:::::: 1. Ich habe alle relevanten Daten aus meinem Buch eingetragen<br><br />
:::::: 2. Ein Klick auf den Button "I own this book" bedeutet nur, dass ich das Buch besitze und alle Daten daraus stammen<br><br />
:::::: 3. Die Notizen stammen nicht von mir<br><br />
:::::: 4. Notizen gebe ich generell keine mehr ein, da sie sowieso durch einen Moderator verfälscht werden (dazu gehören auch Änderungen des Schreibstils und der Formulierungen!)<br><br />
:::::: 5. Ich habe nichts abgestritten<br><br />
:::::: 6. Weitere Hilfe kann ich Ihnen nicht anbieten<br><br />
:::::: 7. Warum wurden meine Daten bezüglich der Autorin geändert? Ist es neuerdings üblich, Daten willkürlich zu löschen?<br />
:::::: 8. Gerne verschwende ich weiterhin meine Zeit, um diese Diskussion weiterzuführen--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:25, 13 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::: I had not changed any of your data here. I asked a single simple question - where is the date coming from. That's all. It would have taken a LOT less from your time to just answer my question so I can act accordingly. It is all about the consistency and accuracy of the data, right? So I am asking you for more details on a certain element of your data. If you have a problem with someone changing data, discuss it with them. As I said:<br />
:::::::* If this is not the first edition, I will add a new book for the first<br />
:::::::* We have a rule for undated printings.<br />
::::::: If you answer that the date is printed on the copyright page (or somewhere else), that would have finished that whole bilingual discussion, I would have approved your edit, added the note on where the date is noted and created another record for the first printing. Unfortunately you decided not to answer the question -- at which point leaving the record with the date and without the notes will end up with someone deciding it is a duplicate for the first printing and again reedit. <br />
::::::: If the date is NOT in your book, then we need to put the date as 0000-00-00. <br />
::::::: So - '''the question is still the same''': is the date printed in the book and where in the book? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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(unindent)One more note - if we have a record that says "first printing" and yours is not, then you should clone and create a separate record and verify that. I am not sure what the timeline of this one is (so if you created and someone added "First edition, first printing" that does not apply but just adding a note in general). If you try to use the date of the first printing, you will get the same question I am asking you here -- but other from that, you verify what you have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:58, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Wenden Sie sich bitte an den Nutzer, der die Notizen eingetragen hat, derjenige wird Ihnen seine Quellen mitteilen können!<br />
:Auf meiner Diskussionsseite wird bevorzugt deutsch geschrieben. Sollte das gegen irgendeine Regel verstoßen, teilen Sie es mir bitte mit.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:22, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: I updated the publication with the missing contents, the correct page count, and helpful notes, since the printing no. was clearly stated on the copyright page (as this publisher uses to state for all of its publications since the end of the 1980s).<br />
:: Wolfram, this site is about sharing bibliographic information, not about hiding it! If we know that you own a particular publication, this is not enough if you don't also supply the printing number if asked to (as we break down to that level). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:13, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Daten eingeben ist kein "muss" sondern ein "kann". Es liegt in meinem Ermessen, welche Daten ich verwende. Meine Eingaben sind beschränkt auf die Eingabefelder. Notizen schreibe ich nicht mehr, da sie sowieso von Ihnen verfälscht/umgeschrieben/umformuliert/gelöscht werden. Wie ich in den aktuellen Diskussionen [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Wrong_Title hier] sehe, ist das ja auch keine Ausnahme. Sie sollten Ihr Verhalten anderen Nutzern gegenüber einmal hinterfragen und die nötigen Konsequenzen ziehen. Ich bin ja nicht der einzige Nutzer, der hier vergrault wird. Übrigens, meine Seiteneingabe 715 ist das Ende der Novelle, nachfolgende unwichtige Daten habe ich ignoriert. Sie selber haben auch vergessen das Autorenportrait, die Karte und den Prolog zu erwähnen (this site is about sharing bibliographic information, not about hiding it!).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:55, 23 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Please do not edit archived discussions ==<br />
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As you did [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive15&diff=prev&oldid=565329 here]. It is unlikely anyone will see your comments (I only saw them because I archived the comments back in 2018). You're welcome to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_and_standards_discussions&action=edit&section=new start a new discussion] if you think the topic still needs to be addressed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:28, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Darauf habe ich leider nicht geachtet.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:39, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::No problem. Please pay closer attention in the future. It's all good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:22, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Es wird keine Zukunft mehr geben.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:01, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Schwarze Saat and Schwarze Frucht ==<br />
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Hello! I hold the submissions of your two entries. You want to change the titles of this pubs. What is your actual source? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:18, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Both edits were rejected before. Trying again with another moderator? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:44, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Auf dem Cover steht der Titel, wie von mir angegeben (allerdings ohne Doppelpunkt). Wo liegt das Problem?<br />
@ Willem: Trying again with <b>a</b> moderator!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:10, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::Hello Wolfram! You ask what is the problem: <br />
::::1. Per ISDB policy is the cover title irrelevant. The title on the title page is valid.<br />
::::2. The name of a series is never part of the title.<br />
::::3. You didn't inform the PV that you want to change the title.<br />
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:::::BTW: The general policy is to communicate in English and it's not kind and very impolite not to answer in English. For many non-English-speaking editors and moderators it is not always easy, but EVERYBODY except you respects it. It's puzzling that you don't want to follow, because you pose as an advocate of explicit rules and insist that they should be followed. Somewhat paradoxical. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 04:34, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::I' ve just discovered that you answer in other threads on English. if you keep that up, that would be nice. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 04:44, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::::Auf meiner Diskussionsseite wird bevorzugt deutsch geschrieben, da das effizienter ist. Sollte das gegen irgendeine schriftliche Regel verstoßen, teilen Sie es mir bitte mit. Wer Interesse an meinen Beiträgen hat, kann den Google Übersetzer benutzen, handhabe ich ja genauso. Ich respektiere, dass auf anderen Seiten englisch geschrieben wird, dann sollte auch respektiert werden, dass hier deutsch erwünscht ist. Das ist eine Frage der Toleranz.<br />
:::::::zu 1. Den Titel auf der Titelseite kenne ich natürlich nicht, ich ging davon aus, dass beides der Gleiche ist.<br />
:::::::zu 2. Der Name der Serie lautet "Perry Rhodan universe" (warum universe und nicht Universum?). Bedeutet das, es darf kein Wort, welches in einem Serientitel verwendet wird, in einem Titel benutzt werden? Das wäre interessant.<br />
:::::::zu 3. Warum sollte ich einen PV, der ebenso meine PV-Daten, speziell Notizen, <b>ungefragt</b> manipuliert/löscht/umformuliert, benachrichtigen? Gleiches Recht für alle. Sie hatten doch auch zu diesem Thema Probleme mit einem wohlbekannten Moderator, wird das verdrängt? Übrigens, wozu ist der Button "My Changed Primary Verifications" vorhanden, der macht eigentlich Benachrichtigungen überflüssig?<br />
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:::::::Wichtiger als diese Diskussionen über Höflichkeit und Nettigkeit ist das korrigieren von falschen Regeln, z. B. Format pb/tp.<br />
:::::::Ihr Problem der verschiedenen Sprachen wird es in Zukunft auch nicht mehr geben, da ich sowieso nur noch sporadisch Daten eingeben/korrigieren und potenzielle Diskussionen darüber meiden werde.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 01:59, 20 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator notes ==<br />
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Please don't use the moderator note field to send rude messages, as you did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4523628 here]. We are all volunteers, and using the note to tell people off is not helpful. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:57, 26 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: Warum löschen Sie von mir eingegebene Daten und verfälschen diese? Das ist schon eine Frechheit, aber das scheint immer mehr zur Gewohnheit zu werden. Woher haben Sie diese Infos? Quellenangaben fehlen.<br />
: Das Moderatorennotizfeld dient dazu, Infos an die Moderatoren zu geben, das ist nicht unhöflich sondern leider notwendig.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:39, 27 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::I didn't delete anything you entered, and I didn't falsify anything. The only thing I did was approve your submission. What I'm talking about is this note: "Please do not ask senseless questions for further details or sources. All data are from the book (called PV)!" If someone has a question about what you entered, it's not a "senseless question". Please don't accuse people of falsifying information or deleting content when you have no proof of it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:34, 27 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Zum Zeitpunkt meiner Beschwerde gab es keine Hinweise auf andere beteiligte Personen, jedenfalls habe ich keine gesehen.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:48, 29 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Book title ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram ! <br />
I hold your submission, because you want to change the title of the book with the explanation that ''Der Totengräbersohn'' is the title series and ''Buch 1'' the book title. I don't own the book, but you can have a look into the book at Amazon and on the title page it is written ''Der Totengräbersohn'' and additionally ''Buch 1''. According to the ISFDB guidelines we use as the title of a book and a possible subtitle what is displayed on the title page. Therefore it should actually be called ''Der Totengräbersohn: Buch 1''. The Deutsche Nationalbibliothek also titles the book in the same way. Is there anything to be said against following these rules? This does not contradict the fact that ''Der Totengräbersohn'' can be both the title and, as you suggest, the series title. Regards Rudolf! [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 16:45, 1 January 2020 (EST)<br />
: Hallo Rudolf, leider ist auf der Homepage von S. Feuerbach auch keine eindeutige Titelgebung vorhanden, dort nennt er seine Bücher Totengräbersohn 1, Totengräber 2 usw.<br />
: Serientitel und Titel dürfen nicht ganz oder teilweise gleich sein, ich verweise auf ein Zitat von Dir: "The name of a series is never part of the title", siehe weiter oben.<br />
: Um regelkonform zu sein, habe ich meine Eingabe in dieser Form gemacht.<br />
: Den Serientitel "Totengräbersohn-Reihe" habe ich von Sams Homepage übernommen, den Titel von der Titelseite der Bücher, wobei ich den Titel "Buch 1" nicht als Untertitel sondern als Haupttitel ansehe. Bestätigt wird das im Blick ins Buch von Buch 4, dort steht eine Übersicht der Serie mit dem Serientitel: "Die Totengräbersohn-Saga" und die Titel "Buch 1", "Buch 2", "Buch 3" und "Buch 4". Und das ist wohl richtig so, bis auf kleine Unterschiede in der Schreibweise des Serientitels habe ich es auch so eingegeben.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:26, 3 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Hello Wofram! You're right about the series title, I didn't explain it properly and expressed myself ambiguously. As there is no specific series title, you can choose any title you wish, like "Totengräbersohn-Reihe".<br />
::You justify your choice of the book title with the fact that it is listed in an index in volume 4. But as I said, we only use the title that is printed on the title page. Therefore the title of the book can only be as I have recommended.<br />
::Your stubbornness not to follow the agreed language of our community is remarkable and disrespectful! I'm not good in English either, but I respect the agreement! Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 03:25, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Also stimmt Deine Aussage: "The name of a series is never part of the title" nicht? Über Respekt brauchen wir nicht zu diskutieren, fangt erst einmal an, den Moderatoren Respekt vor fremden Daten beizubringen!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:00, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: Of course my statement is still correct. I didn't question it. The words ''part of'' are missing in the sentence behind suggest ''This does not contradict the fact that ''Der Totengräbersohn'' can be both the title and, as you suggest, the series title''. My fault. I've approved your new series title. Would you please take position on the original issue.<br />
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::::Because I always need a lot of time to answer you in English, I expect that you will also answer in English in the future. If you do not agree with this, please contact other moderators. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 13:23, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::::: Auf meiner Diskussionsseite (Talk Page) wird bevorzugt deutsch geschrieben, aber englisch wird von mir toleriert und ich suche auch keinesfalls Kontakt zu Moderatoren, eher umgekehrt. Wir sollten uns doch sachlich mit der Problematik der Titelgebung und der quellenlosen Notizen auseinandersetzen oder ist das hier nicht mehr möglich? Jedenfalls stimmen noch immer einige Daten nicht.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:04, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::: As this is firstly an English database (with the possibility of adding publications in other languages) and with English as common language between the volunteers from all over the world, I strongly encourage the use of English throughout the whole database, and that is including this talk page, and the naming of series, if you not offer transliterations of the series name, or mention a translation after a slash. If you do not agree, take it up with Ahasuerus and/or Anniemod.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 06:30, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::::Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?57581 link to the series in question]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:41, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) A few general observations:<br />
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* Titles. When possible, we use what is stated on the title page of the book to determine the book's title. (The reason I say "when possible" is that some publications, notably certain recent e-books, do not have a title page.) A book's author may use a different title on his or her Web page for any number of reasons. For example, he may be using the title of another edition, a "working" (i.e. pre-publication) title or any number of other scenarios. It shouldn't affect the way we record the book's title in the database.<br />
* Series names embedded in titles:<br />
** In the past, we allowed the use of series names and numbers in the title field. To use this book as an example, under the old rules it would have been OK to record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2667596 ''Der Totengräbersohn''] as "Der Totengräbersohn: Die Totengräbersohn-Saga Buch 1" or something similar. If I recall correctly, the reason was, at least in part, that our software didn't display series names and numbers on certain bibliographic pages. Once the software was updated to display the series information everywhere, we decided that series names should no longer be embedded in titles.<br />
** Having said that, there are books which do not have titles that are different from the name of the series that they belong to. For example, consider {{A|Eric Vall}}. With one exception, all of his books have titles like "Dragon Emperor 5", "Succubus Lord 12", "Without Law 7", etc. This is also how most Japanese young adult books (so called "light novels") are published. For example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?51952 ''Lazy Dungeon Master''] or {{A|Funa}}'s Summary page. When this happens, the series name necessarily becomes a part of the title and that's how we enter it in the database.<br />
* The use of English vs. other languages on Talk pages. The reason that we use English as the language of all Wiki pages, including Talk pages, is that we want all editors and moderators to be able to understand all Wiki-based discussions. Using other languages would make it difficult or impossible for others to contribute to discussions. It would make it difficult for moderators who do not know the submitting editor's preferred language to work with his or her submissions because they would have no way to review previous discussions.<br />
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Hope this helps! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:32, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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(unindent)About the series names in other languages, we have a bit of a history there as well<br />
* We did not use to be able to add transliterations. As a result most of the non-English series had either a translation or a transliteration as part of its name - we literally had on other place to note these. We had been adding transliterations lately ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?257 see this report]) but we still have some weird cases<br />
* Now that we can transliterate cleanly, it comes down to practices<br />
** If the series is translated into English, having a format of "original series name / English series name" kinda makes sense. Then we add all other languages in the notes<br />
** If the series is never translated, it gets more complicated. If we make up a name, we run the risk of basically becoming inventors instead of bibliographers. Take for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?57609 this series]. It is in Bulgarian and chances are that it will never be translated - and if it does, it will probably have a name that is not the translation of the Bulgarian title. I can add the English name in there but... what if it is in a language noone here speaks or if another Bulgarian speaker disagrees. So I add the translation in the notes and leave it at that. <br />
We still insist the notes and summaries to be in English but titles and series names are a bit of a special case - they belong to the books so they have the language of the book.<br />
All things considered, I think that the format of the series names may be a good topic for a discussion over at R&S so we are all on the same page. If we decide to always have an English name embedded, I am fine with that but we need to be careful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:18, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::@Ahasuerus, ich bevorzuge die deutsche Sprache, da ich mich da am besten ausdrücken kann und wenigstens die deutschen Moderatoren verstehen können, was ich ausdrücken möchte. Jede Übersetzung mit dem Google Übersetzer verfälscht und verstümmelt meine Aussagen!<br />
:::Daher verzichte ich auch auf die parallele Darstellung deutsch/englisch. Jeder, der Interesse hat, meine Kommentare zu lesen, kann den Google Übersetzer nutzen. Das ist besser, effizienter und speichersparender, als wenn ich generell eine Übersetzung anbieten würde.<br />
:::Ich wundere mich nur, dass einige user sich darüber aufregen, aber zu Sachthemen keine Antwort haben.<br />
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:::Zum Thema: Es wurden Eingaben von mir mit folgender Begründung zurückgewiesen, ich zitiere: "The name of a series is never part of the title" (Rudam). Um nicht in Konflikt damit zu kommen, schlug ich Folgendes vor: Serientitel "Der Totengräbersohn" und Titel: Buch 1, das wurde abgelehnt, obwohl es so in meinem Buch auf der Titelseite steht. Dann habe ich Rudams Vorschlag übernommen: Serientitel: "Der Totengräbersohn" und Titel: Der Totengräbersohn: Buch 1", das wurde ebenfalls abgelehnt (von Stonecreek). Aktuell lauten der Serientitel und der Titel: "Der Totengräbersohn", alle weiteren Bände Nr. 2, 3 und 4 lauten aber ebenfalls "Der Totengräbersohn" (Buch 2, Buch 3, Buch 4), was natürlich für Verwirrung sorgt. Dazu erscheinen noch Notizen mit Daten ohne Quellenangaben, die nicht von mir stammen (meine PV Daten wurden gelöscht!) und somit nicht PV sind. Alle Korrekturversuche scheitern an dem regelwidrigen Handeln von Stonecreek. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:26, 14 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hello, Wolfram! To give the title according 1) to your proposal, 2) to the ISFDB standard as proposed by Ahasuerus & 3) to the other titles in the series, it seems best to change the title to ''Der Totengräbersohn Buch 1'' (it would also be analogous to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507897 this example]). What do you think about it?<br />
:::: There's also the discrepancy that DNB states a page count of 399 (and buchhandel.de even one of 400) for this edition, and your verified pub. only has one of 397. Since 75-90 per cent of your verified publications have shown an erroneous indexing of the pages of the respective publication and DNB is not known for stating too high a page count, would you please take a look and state here what content is on the pages 397-400? Please remember to answer in English (so that other moderators will understand what's going on). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:08, 16 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::::With no reaction I submitted the proposed change, and also added some more information and a cautionary note on the pge count. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:50, 20 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Die Anzahl der Seiten der Novelle beträgt exakt 397, jede weitere Seite ist entweder leer oder enthält unwichtige Daten (Werbung, Vorschau, Dankeschön oder Ähnliches), so wird bei mir die Seitenzahl definiert. Daher kommt wohl auch die falsche Aussage von 90 % Fehlerquote, wobei bemerkt werden muss, dass Ihre Fehlerquote bei der Einstufung pb/tp ca. 100 % beträgt. Da das Nichtbefolgen von Regeln hier üblich ist, nehme ich mir auch die Freiheit heraus eine sinnvolle Definition der Seitenzahl zu benutzen. Diskussion darüber ist überflüssig, da sowieso kein Ergebnis erzielt wird. Im Gegensatz zu anderen Nutzern habe ich noch ein reales Leben und antworte daher nur sporadisch. Sie können gerne in englischer Sprache antworten.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 01:29, 22 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Bertelsmann book club publications ==<br />
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Hi! The handling of Bertelsmann book club publications is resp. was a muddle, the pubs were distributed over 3 publishers: Bertelsmann Lesering, Club Bertelsmann and RM Buch und Medien Vertrieb GmbH. After having a communication with [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Bertelsmann Stonecreek], now there are 2 Bertelsmann publishers: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?44058 Bertelsmann / Book Sales Clubs] for the club editions and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?29555 C. Bertelsmann] for the trade editions (also see publisher notes). You are the primary verifier of this affected book club publications: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?518319 Ovaron]. I am going to change the publisher to <i>Bertelsmann / Book Sales Clubs</i>. If you don't agree please let me know. [[User:Boskar|Boskar]] 10:05, 9 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Submissions deleting valuable information ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! The submissions referred to above that were put into the queue ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4739020 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4739020 here]) are not acceptable, as you've been made aware of before with other examples (that's why they were undone). Additional sourcing & other valuable information can be added by other editors (and is appreciated by the ISFDB community). If you wish to change this you are free to start a discussion, for example at the moderator's board. And the question of Bastei Lübbe's publication series was resolved in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar/Archive1#Als_es_noch_Menschen_gab this discussion] among the German moderators. Again, if you are not content with this, please contact us and start a new discussion. <br />
If you wish to do so, or are willing to answer, please use the English language, so that others can understand your argument: that is the language to use here. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:26, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi! I since it seems possible that you hadn't read the above when submitting [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4739933 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4739942 this]. The first one takes no account of the consensus regarding the Bastei Lübbe pub. series to insert referred to above, the sesond again tries to delete valuable information: there's no change of data (= information) by me, only additional information (and for that - quite lgically - text has to be added). I have put those two on hold and will wait for another day - that you may be able to answer - before bringing this onto the moderator's board. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:30, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Meister der Türme ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram. Unfortunately I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4740058 your submission] because your proposed edits do not add new information (except for publisher code, see below), would decrease the readability of the notes, and would effectively remove valid information. For example:<br />
*Part of the text that you want to change reads ''The final page of the novel (p. 541) is unnumbered; a note of thanks is printed on p. [542].'', which you want to change into ''Last unnumbered page of text: #541 contains the rest of the novel; Additional page[s]: 1 unnumbered page with "Note of thanks"''. Your proposed change is difficult to understand (it is not proper English), and does not clarify that the "Note of thanks" is on unnumbered p.[542]. Also, the use of #541 is not standard (many people will not immediately understand what # means)<br />
*The current notes specify ''The copyright for the cover art is assigned to Drechsler on the copyright page; the map is credited there to Weber.'', which you want to change into ''Maps: Markus Weber''. Here you propose to remove ''copyright for the cover art is assigned to Drechsler on the copyright page'', which is valid information thus should not be removed.<br />
*You also propose to remove '' "1. Auflage: Dezember 2014" is stated on the copyright page.'', which, again, is valid information and therefore should not be removed.<br />
There's basically only one piece of information that you should/could have added, namely '' 'Publisher code: 20777' '', because that is new data.<br />
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: Only that it's not a 'publisher code' (again that'd be difficult to understand), but it is the publisher's catalogue number, and is already reflected in the series number. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:06, 28 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Insisting that no-one is allowed to change your notes (as you state in your Note to moderators, I quote: '' '...it is not allowed to change any correct data from me! This is against all rules of this board and decency.' '') is bad form since you do '''not''' own the text written down in the notes (even if it's written by you). This therefore means that any other editor has the right to '''improve the data''', even if the record is primary verified (observing the etiquette to inform the primary verifiers of course, either on their talk page or through the Note to Moderators field).<br />
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To summarize: <br />
*I rejected your edit because you are proposing to remove valid information (and your notes are difficult to read)<br />
*You do '''not''' own the text in the notes field, so every other editor is allowed to '''improve''' upon existing data, whether it is verified or not<br />
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Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 18:04, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I'll try one more time to explain what was communicated with you some times before: the meaning of ISFDB is to share bibliographic information ''in a way that is understandable for the majority of users''; this also includes showing incongruencies and mistakes as stated by a given publisher (for example a statement for a first edition, when there is at least one simultaneous - possibly ebook - edition, or an erroneous credit for an artist). So, these informations are welcomed by us, and we are thankful to anybody supplying such things. If you don't see your goals reflected in helping us, and just want to catalogue your collection, that's fine, but additions by other hands will still be allowed in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:19, 28 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Mal auf die Schnelle, da ich keine Zeit vergeuden will auf solchen Unsinn näher einzugehen.<br />
::Punkt 1: Meine Texte in den Notizen sind also nicht verständlich? Das ist der Grund, warum ein Moderator (pardon, der Moderator) meine "eingegebenen" Daten manipulieren darf? Ihr beiden habt sicher eine Umfrage aller Mitglieder und Nutzer gestartet, die eure Aussagen bestätigen, oder?<br />
:::: A moderator did not manipulate your data. A moderator improved and completed your data. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Punkt 2: eigentlich nebensächlich, aber typisch für ISFDB: Das Zeichen # wird von vielen nicht verstanden? Warum wird es dann von euch selber benutzt (Pub Series #)? Typisch für ISFDB, die eigenen Regeln müssen nicht von Moderatoren eingehalten werden, nur von den Nutzern.<br />
:::: False argument. # = number, not page number. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Punkt 3: Wenn das Geschreibsel von Stonecreek Standard sein soll, dann habe ich hier wirklich nichts verloren und werde auch endgültig einen Schlussstrich ziehen. Das Niveau ist mir dann doch etwas zu niedrig.<br />
:::: This is a rude statement, on the border of insulting. Stonecreek's texts may not be perfect, but at least is accepted by all but one editors and moderators, and is of superior quality to many other submissions. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Ich lasse mich doch nicht von zwei kleinen Moderatoren verulken, dazu ist mir meine Zeit zu schade. Schade auch, dass die investierte Zeit um Daten einzugeben, sinnlos war, da permanent Daten verändert wurden (unter dem Vorwand der mangelnden Verständlichkeit meiner Eingaben). Aber dafür ist ja Stonecreek bekannt, er ändert ja auch ungefragt Daten seines Moderatorenkollegen und anderen Nutzern, stand schon kurz vor dem Rausschmiss, hat sich aber wieder demütig zu allen Regeln von ISFDB bekannt und durfte weitermachen, als wenn nie etwas geschehen wäre. Das nenne ich Gedächtnisverlust.<br />
:::: Why the insult? We are merely providing factual and well-meaning suggestions to improve data and try to let you understand how ISFDB works. As for Stonecreek, at least he did understand that he was not abiding by the (spirit of the) rules. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Punkt 4: Ich fand ISFDB immer informativ und umfangreich, leider haben hier aber Personen das Sagen von denen Abraham Lincoln sagte: „Willst du den Charakter eines Menschen erkennen, so gib ihm Macht.“ Wohl wahr! Ihr könnt euch beruhigt zurücklehnen, ihr habt es (wieder) geschafft, einen Nutzer zu verjagen. Glückwunsch.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:50, 29 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hi, Wolfram. I gather from your answer that you're not willing to discuss with others on the points that were decided by the majority (not just me). If you have difficulties with rules reached in a democratic way it is your choice not to make any attempt to change the consensus, but please don't blame your decision onto others. We are open to any discussion, but you will have to start one to change things. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:06, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::Ihr habt hier keine Demokratie, sondern Willkür einzelner Moderatoren, es gibt nichts mehr zu diskutieren, was nicht schon diskutiert wurde. Von meiner Seite her ist alles gesagt worden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:08, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Please, go away and never come back. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, decisions & rules reached by voting on proposals do make up democratic decisions, don't they? What would make up a democratic process in your opinion? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:37, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Let me re-emphasize something that we discussed a few months ago. Using languages other than English on Talk pages makes it difficult for other editors and moderators to determine what's going on and possibly help. It's especially hard when tempers are running high. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:50, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I think Wolfram never did (or wanted to) understand why ISFDB does exist and what its purpose is. This may have been caused by his limited understanding of English. I for one would not have taken over the task of translating to and from other languages, trying to translate the exact meaning as well. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:13, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I have added the "Inactive user" template to the top of this page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:08, 3 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Die graue Eminenz im Hintergrund, die immer am Thema vorbeiredet...<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Conversation continued from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Scifibones#Moderator_status Moderator status]<br />
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Greetings Wolfram, I apologize for the confusion regarding 'Die Schwerter von Zinjaban' author attribution. Christian Stonecreek was correct to reverse your edit. I should have put it on hold and asked you to seek agreement from Stoecker. In fact, I was writing a note asking him if he agreed that 'Catherine Crook de Camp' s/b credited as co-author when I received Christian's note. Do not be angry, let's move forward. Please write Stoecker detailing the changes you wish to make. I will monitor the conversation and approve whatever you two agree on. Thanks for your cooperation. John Scifibones 12:52, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Hello John, I wonder why stonecreek still has the right to edit entries, since he's probably no longer a moderator.<br />
:My new submission confirms that "Catherine Crook de Camp" is a co-author (stated on title page and on copyright page).<br />
:Some time ago I talked to stoecker, he confirmed to me that he no longer works at isfdb, so an inquiry would not result in anything, nor would it change the facts.<br />
:In fact, as a PV and owner of this title/publication, I only enter true data.<br />
:I'm not willing to start pointless requests that only waste time and don't produce any results. I hope you understand.<br />
:As long as stonecreek is allowed to do its mischief here, I won't make any further entries anyway.<br />
:Google translator.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:36, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Das Schiff ==<br />
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Just a quick reminder - when adding a translator to the title notes, you must use the Tr template. I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3110286 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:44, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Why? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 17:04, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Because the template was created to assist when and if we ever get the roles properly implemented. If you don’t use the template, you create more work for another editor because someone will need to fix the incorrect format on this title record - so it is appreciated if the editors actually use the format. Thanks. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:54, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Apart from the fact that I still don't understand what the template is for, what does mean e.g. "we ever get the roles properly implemented", why should we only use the template for the title notes and not for the publication notes? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 12:07, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::No answer? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 12:44, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: not everyone is here 24/7. You can use templates in both places if you prefer - we enforce it only in the titles but it is permitted elsewhere as well. The titles is where it is important - as we use a separate title for each translation, even if the language and title matches otherwise. One of the requested improvements for the site is to allow the crediting of the translators to be done in a more visible way (so translators have their own pages and authors who also translate have their translations listed on their pages). When that is added to the site, the usage of the template will allow for automatic and semi-automatic migration of the data. As the translator is tied to the title and not the publication, that’s where the template usage will become critical - the translators mentioned in the publication notes are useful when we untangle a combined collection that should not have been combined but we won’t use them to populate any data elements so they will remain just notes forever. As mentioned before, if you don’t use the template, someone will need to fix the title note later. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:45, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Unblock ==<br />
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Can someone unblock this talk page? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 12:24, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: You are posting so it is not blocked? What errors are you seeing? So you mean the warning at the top that you are inactive? If so - I can do that (or you can) - just edit the whole page and remove the <nowiki>{{Inactive user}}</nowiki> from the top. Let me know if you want me to do it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2002-12 ''Die 13 1/2 Leben des Käpt'n Blaubär'' ==<br />
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Hi. I have held [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5822287 this submission] for 2002-12 ''Die 13 1/2 Leben des Käpt'n Blaubär''. Two questions:<br />
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# What is the ISBN in the book? 13-digit ISBNs (9783442453818) were not assigned until 2007, so a 2002 book should not have an ISBN-13.<br />
# Are you sure 2002-12 is correct? We have that date for the first printing. A 14th printing on the same date is unlikely.<br />
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If the book does have 9783442453818 for the ISBN, then it was published in 2007 or later. If the only date in the book is 2002-12, then we should make the date for this 0000-00-00 ("unknown").<br />
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I will adjust your submission from what you tell me. You do not need to change it. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:33, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: ISBN: 978-3-442-45381-8 stated on the back cover and on the copyright page.<br />
: 14. Auflage Taschenbuchausgabe Dezember 2002 stated on the copyright page.<br />
: Perhaps the data of the first edition are incorrect? But because of the ISBN-13, this is unlikely. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you. I will add those two statements to the notes. Since the ISBN-13 tells us this edition cannot be from 2002, I think we should read ''14. Auflage Taschenbuchausgabe Dezember 2002'' as '''''14. Auflage der Taschenbuchausgabe vom Dezember 2002''''' and not as '''''14. Auflage Dezember 2002 der Taschenbuchausgabe'''''. In other words, it is saying the paperback edition was first published in 2002 and does not tell us when this 14th edition was published. Is that ok? If you agree, I will change the date to 0000-00-00 and also add a note that the ISBN-13 and 2002 date do not agree. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:24, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: That's one way to interpret it, I don't have a better idea, that's okay. Please take my presentation of the notes into consideration. Thanks. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 12:35, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I added what you provided above to the notes and changed the date to 0000-00-00. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?996751 this]. Please change the notes to be as you would like them. Thank you for your help. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:53, 27 February 2024 (EST)</div>
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== Harper Hall of Pern ==<br />
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Question about [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126781 this]] record. I have to assume your copy has one of the two "Q" gutter codes? I have one with a previous code "P05" but the number SFBC # does not have the leading '0', just 3678. I think there should be two records, one for copies with just the four-digit code [which Locus somehow '''adds''' a '0' to the end] and one for the five-digit, which can be dated to Feb or Apr '86 [likely both have the leading '0']. Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 23:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Mine has "03678" in a small white box at the bottom right of the back cover (which is solid green otherwise). The gutter code on p. 499 looks like "O29" to me. There's no mistaking the "29". I suppose it's possible it's Q29 instead of O29 -- the printing is not the crispest in the world -- but I can't tell, even under a magnifying glass. FWIW, there's a faint ring around the gutter code, I presume from the stamping. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: There is a possibility that the jacket was not original to the book, I've found that a couple of times buying SFBC editions second-hand. A seller may have two and just combines the best book with the best jacket ... otherwise it's probably a 'Q' as the SFBC never went back to a four-digit code once they used a five-digit one. Odd, too, my copy's jacket is blue on the back. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 16:45, 1 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm pretty sure I got this copy from the SFBC, not second-hand. But I would not have gotten it before mid-1985, and it's certainly possible I got it in 1986. I know I don't have those records anymore, unfortunately. Anyway, I'm not opposed to two records or to treating what I have as "Q29" and adjusting notes accordingly. I defer data entry/organization decisions to the SFBC organizers. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Yeah, I used to have all my stuff from the club but tossed it when I quit in about 1991. Who'd have known .... Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 18:26, 4 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Requiem for a Ruler of Worlds ==<br />
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I've made a small change to the note.[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27864] DK is visible before the cutoff.--[[User:Auric|Auric]] 16:06, 7 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Daughter of the Blood'' ==<br />
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I've removed the date from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567838 this publication record]. A book with an ISBN-13 can not have been published in 1998. Based on the ISBN range, it probably was published circa 2007-2008. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:54, 25 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|17136|this pub}}, is it really "Hitchiker" as entered or "Hitchhiker"? If that edition used "Hitchiker", then its title record needs to be unmerged from the others and a variant established. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:25, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:No, just a typo I never noticed. Thanks for catching it. Fixed. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:50, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Tom's Midnight Garden variant author name only ==<br />
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Hi. Today I completed verification of HarperTrophy edition 1st printings, after preliminary change from author "Philippa" to "A. Philippa" which you approved. Is there any alternative to the three-stage submission<br />
# import the other Title records (in this case, only the fiction Title as by "A. Philippa")<br />
# remove the other Title records (here the novel by "Philippa")<br />
# edit the publication record otherwise as appropriate<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:There is no way to do it with fewer steps, unless the title is not used by any other publication. If it is not used elsewhere, you can edit the publication directly and change the author credits for both it and the title. Then you only need a second step, to merge the new title record with the existing one (that you otherwise would have imported). Once you have a title that is used by more than one publication, the additional removal step is always required. And you can either add while editing and merge or import and edit, as you did -- each requiring two more steps. I slightly prefer add-and-merge because it avoids leaving a publication that does not match its title, making it a little safer. I'm sorry, I should have done those other steps for you to save you some time. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Variable Star ==<br />
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Can you check the cover image for {{P|220033|Variable Star}}. My copy has a short comment from The New York Times at the bottom right of the Front Cover. In fact it is the same as the Fourth edition {{P|542451|Variable Star}}. It's probably due to the cover coming from Amazon. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 13:43, 26 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:My wife has been reorganizing the books, and I don't immediately find it. I will have to look for it this weekend, when I will have time to dig through the boxes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Have you managed to find time to have a look through your boxes for this book? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 13:05, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Sorry, I hadn't meant for it to be quite such a long weekend.... I did find it. Mine has ''"I'd nominate Spider Robinson as the new Robert Heinlein." -- The New York Times"'' at the bottom right. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:29, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I uploaded the appropriate cover image. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:02, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, that matches my cover. Thanks. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 14:20, 16 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Small Favor" - Jim Butcher ==<br />
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I modified your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273938 pub] by replacing the Amazon image with a scan, and added the Author's Note as an additional title, just as a small favor. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Science Fiction Chronicle - 1993 ==<br />
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You recently okayed a submission from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vornoff Vornoff] of a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3148973 title merge] for Science Fiction Chronicle - 1993. while the merge was fine (I am entering issues for that year), there are multiple variant titles that appear for that year on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1111 author's summary page]. I would like to enlist your help on how I should handle this. Should I merge the variants<br />
together for that year separately, or with the titles already merged, is one question I have, and any other help you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 15:04, 8 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It looks like there are two for 1993 using Andrew Porter, and then a whole bunch for 1993 using Andrew I. Porter, with each Andrew Porter one having some of the Andrew I. Porter ones. The Andrew Porter ones will need to be merged with each other, and the Andrew I. Porter ones will need to be merged with each other. The end result will be one Andrew Porter as the parent and one Andrew I. Porter as the variant (and "only as by", the way it looks). The safest approach is to do one of those merges, then do the other once the first is accepted, although you can do them in parallel, as long as you keep in mind that the lowest ID is always the survivor in a merge (so when merging the variants, you'd need to keep the parent ID that is lowest). It doesn't really matter what order you do them in. If you do Andrew Porter first, all of the variants will then have the same parent. If you do the variants first, one of the Andrew Porter ones will no longer have any publications or variants, but that will be resolved when you merge those. Does that help? Please ask if it's not clear. If you'd rather I did it, let me know. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:49, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks for taking the time to give a great explanation. I've submitted the merges per your instructions. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 03:06, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Sorry if I caused any confusion, but your explanation was quite helpful for the future. Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 05:39, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?239817 Rebel Fey] ==<br />
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Somebody added the cover artist to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?95741 hardcover], and I added Stone's name to the ebook version, I hesitated to touch your verification. I suspect that Stone is responsible for many of these covers, if he really did them, as the same models turn up in them. What do you think? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Locus1 credits the artwork on the hardcover to Stone. A little Google work suggests the credit is given there on one of the dust wrapper's flaps. Since the paperback is the same artwork, there's no reason not to carry the credit along. I will add it and adjust the notes on that and the hardcover. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:36, 24 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Okay, looking at the acknowledgements page in '''''Traitor to the Blood''''' the authors thank both Koveck (who was given credit) and Steve Stone. I guess that settles that question. Now if only somebody would credit the mapmaker. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Corrected page count to '''''Traitor to the Blood''''' and added a note about the map in the note section. Hope this was okay. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:25, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, fine, thank you. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:51, 24 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Subtitles (Bilbo's Last Song) ==<br />
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Hi, MartyD. We exchanged a few months ago regarding the very long subtitles of Robert Nye's Falstaff and Faust books. Recalling that, and because I see you are hard at work as I must depart, I consult you.<br />
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This is one PV record that I will rearrange or reformat. The crucial points transcribed before returning the book to the library today:<br />
: -- Bilbo's Last Song (At the Grey Havens) :: title page of book <br />
: -- Bilbo's Last Song (at the Grey Havens) :: heading of poem p27<br />
Regarding the title of the book, I understand that we insert a colon optionally to designate a line break that we choose to interpret as title and subtitle. But that fashioning is inconsistent with the use of parentheses, so we would never use both, as one WorldCat record does: ''Bilbo's Last Song: (...)''<br />
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For us, too, I think the colon implies uppercase 'A' and the parentheses imply lowercase 'a'<br />
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Do you agree with both interpretations of our standards?<br />
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I chose to retain the parentheses, as LCCN does not, and downcase 'at'. This happens to match the title of the poem as fashioned on p27 of the book and has the big advantage that it matches one PV by Nihonjoe P{{p|402468}}. (Another PV simply Notes the title page subtitle.)<br />
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For the first edition Farmer Giles of Ham P{{p|269840}}, LC reports a very long subtitle that appears on the title page as I understand LCCN 86-155324. I chose to Note it in the same fashion. <br />
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Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I was done for the evening. For punctuation, what matters is what's actually in the publication. If it is presented with punctuation (parentheses, colon, dash, etc.), we preserve that. If it is presented as title over subtitle or title in one location and subtitle in another, we would insert a colon between the two in our record. Other than that, use of parentheses that we add is only for disambiguation. With different poems having the same title, we would use some or all of the first line in parentheses for that purpose. So it sounds like the book is using parentheses, and preserving them is correct.<br />
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:For capitalization, we normalize the capitalization according to our rules, unless we believe the choice of capitalization is deliberate and/or to carry special meaning. Here, that is clearly not the case. The rules are not explicit about subtitles, and practice is inconsistent from editor to editor. I treat the subtitle as if it were a standalone title and capitalize it that way. Others treat it as a continuation of the main title and capitalize it that way. So here, I would use "At", but some others would use "at", and neither is considered wrong. You should not, however, add another title with the opposite capitalization if there's already a record -- in that case, just follow the precedent for that title. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== {{P|282376|Dragonstar}} ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon cover art with a scan of my copy. I've also added a few extra notes. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 21:28, 18 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Star Trek 9 ==<br />
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Was able to add the month to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284324 this]] from a later printing [with note]. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 19:09, 29 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== City Psychonaut==<br />
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Hi, CITY PSYCHONAUT is out on Amazon; I'm not sure how to best grab the cover. <br />
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0997296895<br />
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Best wishes,<br />
Robin<br />
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:If you would like to try it yourself:<br />
:# Visit the above link, right-click on the image, and Copy (or Copy Link or Copy URL--[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:33, 5 November 2016 (UTC) or something like that, depending on your browser).<br />
:# Then go to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588436 the pub] and pick Edit This Pub from the menu at the left.<br />
:# Paste the link into the Image URL field. You should see something like: <pre>https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/519rNcj%2BVbL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg</pre>.<br />
:# Edit that to remove everything between the last two periods, and remove one of the periods as well. You should end up with something like: <pre>https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/519rNcj%2BVbL.jpg</pre><br />
:# Submit!<br />
:That's how to use Amazon links. (All of the stuff you deleted is embedded sizing information that Amazon's server interprets and will lead to white boxes and other undesirable things if left in there).<br />
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:Give it a try if you'd like. If not, I am happy to do it for you. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:33, 5 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Wraiths of Time ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|277310|Wraiths of Time}}: Your note states this is a first printing per the number line. This seems like it is a duplicate of {{P|55510}}. Unless I'm missing something (in which case the notes should be updated), your verification should be moved over to the later pub and 277310 deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:13, 30 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, you are probably right. I will dig up my copy and double-check. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:01, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Apparent 6th printing ==<br />
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Hi. Last hour you approved my entry of the "apparent 6th printing" of ''Dying to Meet You'' (Sandpiper, 2010), which I verified P{{p|596751}}. The crucial third list item transcribes the last three lines of the copyright page: <br />
: C.p. concludes below "Manufactured in the [USA]": <br />
: -- "DOC 10 9 8 7 6" (6th printing?) <br />
: -- "4500302178"<br />
Do you agree that this indicates I have 6th printing of the Sandpiper edition? Do you know the meaning of "DOC" or the last line (not ISBN-10)? <br />
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Mhhutchins urged me to reproduce numberlines, for someday analysis, but I rarely do so. (Without "DOC" I would be confident that its a printing-number line.) <br />
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Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:16, 6 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I like preserving unusual number lines in the notes. But it's up to you. I read "DOC 10 9 8 7 6" as indicating a 6th printing. If you Google that, you'll find examples of a full line "DOC 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1". I don't know what DOC might mean. Perhaps it's something as simple as "document". I believe the other number is some sort of serial/catalogue number. If you look at the numberline search hits that are on Google Books, you'll see those also have a similar number below the number line. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to story titles ==<br />
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I have twice submitted changes to the titles of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1465495 "The Messenger"] (currently spelled "The Messehger") and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1465481 "The Strega's Last Dance"] (currently spelled "Stega"); both times they were not changed. Why is that? Is it because the previous spellings were verified by someone else? Mine are based on a book in my possession. I have left a message for the verifier, Don Erikson, but since Don has not answered any messages in a month, I'm not going to wait for an answer before submitting the correction. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 03:52, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Never mind, Stonecreek took care of it. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 04:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Because it affected a verified copy, and you didn't mention anything about it in the submission's note to the moderator, I needed to go check whether you had notified the verifier of the change. When there are a lot of submissions in the queue, I usually skip ones where I have to do work in the Wiki and go back to them. Last night I ran out of time and did not get to go do that. Sorry. Some moderators may also avoid submissions that cannot obviously be accepted without additional work. Another thing that happens sometimes (did not apply to this submission, but if I recall correctly, you had one or two others I also skipped) is that most moderators will skip submissions that make any sort of significant change to a publication having other moderators among the primary verifiers; there the submission is often left for one of those moderators to look at. You don't need to worry -- anything not processed remains there for everyone to see, and someone will get to it. Does that make sense? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, that's fine, thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:48, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Story of Umetsu Chubei" ==<br />
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You are evidently wondering why I changed the date of this story - that's because it's a variant title, I'm going to variant it to one with the original date. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Ok, thanks. A note to the moderator would have avoided the hold -- I was going to have to go do some research. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Los asesinos del tiempo ==<br />
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I am canceling this one - the language needs to go in the other direction (looks like you are looking at it now - sorry for not catching it earlier - I was reviewing the ones I did and realized I got it wrong) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:49, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it looked backwards to me. I hadn't yet had a chance to research/write you a note. Many submissions! :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Cancelled and submitted in the other way (fixing the text entry instead). I had been careful today on clearing these but one slipped apparently - which is why I was reviewing a second time - you just got it before my review got to it. Sorry :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Not a problem. It's always good to be able to demonstrate that I actually review the submissions.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:01, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Steve Dillon ==<br />
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I would like to undo the edit that I did creating "Steve Dillon (comics)". I don't know who was interviewed in the Irish Science Fiction Association's magazine ''FTL''. I am pretty darn certain that it wasn't the Australian guy who created the Refuge Collection, but otherwise, who...? I will put up a verification request, unlikely as it is to find an answer, but meanwhile, please change that to something neutral like "Steve Dillon (I)". --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 04:03, 28 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I don't know how I missed this. Done now. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Birthstone Gothics ==<br />
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Answered your question about this series [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#The_Amethyst_Tears_publisher here]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:23, 28 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Darkenheight ==<br />
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My copy of {{P|9015|Darkenheight}} has a printing line [10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1] at the bottom of the Copyright page. Maybe it should be mentioned that some copies do have a printing line? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 16:54, 29 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:If yours has a numberline, we likely have different editions. I will see if I can dig up my copy and get more details from it for you so we can compare. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Capitalization ==<br />
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There is simply no way a two-letter preposition should be capitalized... not your fault, you're just following the list, but I'm going to take this to R&S because that list is all wrong. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:27, 30 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Farthest Shore ==<br />
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Updated {{P|282805|The Farthest Shore}} to add cover scan, add note on interior art credit, and update page numbers to reflect the last page is unnumbered. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 2 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== NOVEL to COLLECTION ==<br />
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Happy New Year. At User talk:Cary you remarked aside that there we have one publication of the book ''Doctor Dolittle's Puddleby Adventures'' --true, the other records for that title are for contents in editions of the ''Treasury'' book. In that circumstance is a single "toggle" of the Title{{t|1354275}} Type field from NOVEL to COLLECTION sufficient to amend the database on that point? Is that what you did after reading my Title Note, or my exchange with Cary? <br />
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:Yes, it's pretty much that simple: Change the title type and change the pub type. If the title had not been included in other publications, it could have been done in a single Edit Pub, but when a title appears in more than one publication it must be edited separately. There is only one title record, and all places it appears point to it, so once you've changed the type, that new type appears everywhere. If there were variants, separate edits would be required to change their types to match, though.<br />
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:One thing that should be done with the collection is to add the contents and then import the contents into the other publications that include the collection. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:53, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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At the end of 2016, i hustled to rid the Doctor Dolittle series of "Dr." titles. I was able to complete that by good fortune for all the cover and interior titles, and by hard work for the ''Green Canary'', whose final submission you approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3278563]. I guess you went ahead by analogy, or another editor did so NYEve/Day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:50, 3 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure what you mean. I think I did edit something where I accepted a submission changing the pub or title and there was no submission changing the other. But as long as you're happy, I'm happy. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:53, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Painter Knight ==<br />
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For {{P|45042|The Painter Knight}} I've added the source of the Cover Artist, included the Canadian Price and added the Maps. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 15:03, 10 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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==Missão Impossível==<br />
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Hi, please check the following discussion in my [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Wolland#Miss.C3.A3o_Imposs.C3.ADvel page].<br />
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== Green Knowe series Of/of At/at ==<br />
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Hi, Marty. Having entered much data on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?7311 Green Knowe series] this weekend, today I noticed that some of the titles are spelled with inappropriate capital prepositions 'Of' and 'At'. Evidently there is no automated clean-up, as all were verified from Tuck by Mhhutchins in 2008. Is there any shortcut to fix these? <br />
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As far as I know, those are the only remaining Green Knowe title errors in COVERART and INTERIORART as well as NOVEL and multiple Publication titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:34, 24 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Unfortunately, no. But [[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] has been on mission to fix capitalization inconsistencies lately. You could point him at them. :-) You could see if Ahasuerus would be willing to run a database script to fix them. I don't know how he would feel about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:43, 24 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== You are too quick for me ==<br />
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MartyD, Ten minutes ago you approved four or my TitleUpdate submissions for "My First Aeroplane" --while I submitted with errors, and re-submitted. If it works for you to lag a few minutes, let me recommend that. Lacking any preview, I submit and proofread the display to catch markup errors at least, then go back [Alt <-] and revise, etc; visit My Pending Edits and cancel all but the latest only when the display is correct. I don't often augment submissions, or make substantial revisions this way (instead cancel immediately). Most concern database markup, such as ">, /a>, /i>, and /ul>, and I do complete most of them within a few minutes. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:20, 20 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:It's ok, it wasn't a problem. I saw your additional submissions when I went to fix the HTML from the first one, and I realized you saw what was wrong, so I did not do any extra work. It was just as easy to approve them as to reject or cancel them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:14, 20 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sons of Maeve Trilogy later edition ==<br />
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Marty, thanks for approving my clone submission for {{P|606193|The Sons of Maeve Trilogy}}. Thanks also for letting me make the fixes you suggested. That has helped me learn things I didn't know I could do.[[User:Jolylchu|Jolylchu]] 01:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dragon's Hoard ==<br />
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Hi Marty! Thank you for looking over the Dragon's Hoard entry and approving it. I'd accidentally hit the submit button halfway through entering the data and just used the back button to return the entry screen. I didn't realize two records would be created. (Still learning my way around this place.) <br />
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I've edited the original record and cancelled the second entry this morning. Question, because I did forget Mosaic in the TOC the first time, and entered it at the bottom of the entries when I updated. Is there a problem entering TOC contents out of order? (If so, how do I make it right? You can point me to a help page if that's convenient.) Also: the poem is on an unnumbered page, and it looks as though I've forgotten the page number. Should I make a note of that? Thanks! [[User:Zinnia|Zinnia]] 13:58, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Responded to [[User_talk:Zinnia#The_Dragon.27s_Hoard|here]]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Einstein's Monsters ==<br />
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Hello Marty, in order to avoid an editing war for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?607091 this pub], I'm wondering how a 2003 book can have printed on it an ISBN-13 as it appeared only (in the 4th edition of the standards) in 2005 and was scheduled to be in use for 2007. Note also that, if you used [https://www.amazon.fr/Einsteins-Monsters-Martin-Amis/dp/0099768917/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1488443266&sr=8-1#reader_0099768917 this] as a source the price on bc is £6.99 and not the £8.99 that is stated in the involved record (which so hints to a later and undated printing coherent with an ISBN-13). Either we set the ISBN to ISBN-10 and keep the 2003 or we set the date to "0000" (as I did and that you changed) and suppose that it's a post-2007 printing with an ISBN-13. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:40, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Ha! I didn't even realize we were having an editing war. :-) I thought I had set the date to 0000 while meaning to have set it to 2003, so I "fixed" it. It did not occur to me that someone had changed it. You're right, of course. I wasn't thinking about that. I will fix it and adjust the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:34, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:p.s. ISBN-13s can go back to 2005 (still later than this 2003). See [http://www.isbn-13.info/example this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:39, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, Note that this 5th printing has a £6.99 price (see last page). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:49, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::You said that, didn't you? I can only plead no coffee yet.... Fixed. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
::::It's after lunch here... [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Full titles for Titles and Publications ==<br />
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Marty, I see that you are at your station as I depart. See my last [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3371214 submission 3371214]; no submissions on the publications or contents. We discussed the use of short titles once. So did Mhhutchins and I. Different guidelines, or leeway for editors, concerning Publication titles, or specifically art titles, or chapbook titles, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:59, 21 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Ok. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. If you think they all use that title, then go right ahead and change the pubs, too. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:07, 21 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Are you available to serve as moderator for a project this afternoon? ==<br />
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Hi Marty -- As I [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Proposed_canonical_name_change:_Paul_.28G..29_Tremblay mentioned on the moderator noticeboard], I'm about to start changing Paul Tremblay's canonical name from "Paul G. Tremblay", and it occurs to me that, seeing as it will be a multi-stage process, it would be nice to avoid having that standing about in a half-finished situation for too long by scheduling a time with a moderator. Are you going to be around this afternoon & would be willing to watch for my Tremblay edits and approve them? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:44, 26 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I had some big household chores to do this afternoon. I will be on for the next two hours or so. I'll be working on the queue, so if I see Tremblay submissions, I'll get after them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Management of canonical name change: Bo Balder ==<br />
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Hi, I saw that you accepted my edits changing the name on publess records from Boukje Balder to Bo Balder. Did you then variant them to the existing Bo Balder records? Actually, I was going to merge them. The reason for doing it that way is, when you start out with a new-canonical-name record varianted to a publess old-canonical-name record, there may be a different length or date between the two records, and if you just unvariant the NCN and discard the OCN, you lose that information. So, unvariant, change author on OCN record, merge. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:No, I did not touch them, other than to accept the edits. You've been working your way through them, so I didn't see the need to do anything and did not want to interfere. I usually only do variants when I see pseudonyms in new publication submissions. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:53, 6 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: Huh, I wonder who did that, then. Well, it's all fixed and done now. (There was the same thing with a few of the Robin Hobb books -- when I created the new titles, someone stepped in and varianted them instead of merging.) --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:14, 6 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to The Book of Night With Moon ==<br />
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I have made some changes to {{P|165361|The Book of Night with Moon}}. Imported contents to match verified {{P|36345|trade-paperback}} and {{P|275127|SF Book Club}} versions, added un-numbered pages in front because of those contents, and added more details to Notes. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:47, 8 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sintram ==<br />
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Marty<br />
Limited from my phone ..having departed today. Re title 1144969 sintram and his companions I expected to be able to change from collection to chapbook after removing spurious contents. Title story is only fiction in all 5 publications evidently ..altho back cover blurb is confusing. But COLLECTION is not editable. --Pwendt<br />
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:Ok, I will fix it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:26, 3 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:I think I got everything. Some of the dates on the English variants may not be correct. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:04, 3 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks. I am still working on the grouping and dating of Sintram and other Baron Friedrich dlMF title records, on/off, and E. Nesbit and George Macdonald records where translations are not involved. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:18, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Diacritics as well as caps ==<br />
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Recently you informed me that the database does not recognize names spelled with and without diacritics as distinct, [[User talk:Pwendt#Fouqué versus Fouque]], as it does not for names spelled with upper and lower case letters. So we may fund on title pages and in reliable library records eight fashionings of "de La Motte Fouqué" alone (without hyphen, forename, title) but they must be booked as one. I suppose you are right, which means that the manual is half right. It is clear that we should attend to diacritics.<br />
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[[Help:Screen:NewPub#Author(s)]] <br />
: (quote) The name should be entered ''exactly'' as it is actually given on the publication's title page." ...<br />
: ''Case''. Case should be regularized. ... Author names that vary only in capitalization are not tracked as variants.<br />
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: ''Accented characters''. If you are entering a name such as "Philip José Farmer" that is printed with an accented e, that accented character should be reproduced in your entry of the name. '''Two versions of an author's name that are printed with and without accents are treated as variants'''; you should not convert one form to another. However, if an accented form is given on a story title, but an unaccented form is given on the table of contents, use the accented form as the standard. (end quote)<br />
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Some time ago I failed to enter works, or update them, as by "Willy Pogány" --not even the joint work we have as by "Willy Pogany" and "Elaine Pogány" T{{t|1831219}}. Here I think I can recommend a change of our unique name for him, from Pogany to Pogány. Having 20 variants for Fouque/Fouqué, I am not ready to say that any one should gain or lose the diacritical mark, or a capital 'De' or 'La'.<br />
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Months ago concerning caps, [[#Green Knowe series Of/of At/at]], you suggested that I direct [[User:Vasha77]] to the series, which I did not. (Just now I submitted fixes of remaining Title records with 'Of' or 'At', leaving the publications for that someday script.) Just above I see that Vasha works on names. Do we have a process to propose and reach agreement on such choices? <br />
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(Later I will visit the Help desk re the manual, as the HelpHeader suggests, at least to ask them whether I should really use Help talk pages for that.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:12, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I have asked Ahasuerus to take a look at this and to make sure I did not give you incorrect information. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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A few months ago [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Diacritics_in_author_names the possibility was raised] of changing the software to support having Latin-1 diacritics as variants of non-diacritics, but it met with no enthusiasm. Such a change would certainly greatly increase the number of variant titles. Since then, since that seems to be off the table, what I've been doing (unsystematically, whenever I have a spare moment) with some names whose canonical form lacks diacritics is to check as many of the publications as I can, make notes on each publication record as to how the name is printed there, and then request a moderator to add the diacritics to the canonical name. <br />
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I think it ought to be standard practice to have the canonical form always be WITH diacritics, but I haven't actually proposed that on the boards yet. [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for finding the last discussion of this issue! I was going to go look for it myself, but you beat me to it :-) I seem to be unable to find the follow-up discussion in the Community Portal archives for some reason, but, as you alluded to, there were objections, so the proposal was shelved. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Voyage from Yesteryear ==<br />
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I added an entry for the maps in {{P|127421|Voyage from Yesteryear}}. They are initialed, but I can't make out the scrawl. The one for the Mayflower II seems to be SRH. The map of Chiron may have the same, but they could also be SGDN. I've added them in as uncredited, but perhaps you have a better idea of what they are.--[[User:Auric|Auric]] 18:54, 13 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:The one on Mayflower II looks like "J P. H" to me. Under my big magnifying glass, the initials on the map of Chiron look the same as on the Mayflower II. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:01, 15 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Ghost Brigade ==<br />
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I had entered a duplicate pub to your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270164 this pub]. My [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?544391 entry] includes the acknowledgements as an essay on page 345, and notes on the Canadian price and the author credit. If you and Wjmvanruth are good with these changes, I'll update this pub and delete my entry. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:14, 13 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:It's ok with me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Done. Thanks. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 18:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Held submission ==<br />
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Please approve [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3447789 this submission] so I can correct the date. I accidentally entered the wrong one. Thanks. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 01:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Sorry, I was off researching it to leave you a note. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:58, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. I've submitted the correction. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 02:00, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment ==<br />
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Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.<br />
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Firstly, there's ''Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural'' (verified copies: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517709 (1)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289442 (2)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?415777 (3)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435921 (4)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366609 (5)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?446362 (6)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?577863 (7)]), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:<br />
* "Taboo" by Geoffrey Household - An eastern European community is terrorized by a series of murders. The mystery is solved, but the terror, and other psychological effects, linger on. Non-supernatural - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359537 The Dark of the Soul]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516539 Van Lichtelijk Luguber tot Meedogenloos Macaber]<br />
* "A Rose for Emily" by William Faulkner - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rose_for_Emily#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333722 Classic Tales of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37873 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205381 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191317 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293237 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413748 The Lucifer Society]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196813 The Medusa in the Shield]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359245 The Giant Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?591258 The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43731 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2399 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?403273 Vóór Middernacht: De Beste Griezelverhalen]<br />
* "A Terribly Strange Bed" by Wilkie Collins - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Terribly_Strange_Bed SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369520 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368071 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326642 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326754 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?306036 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517776 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386608 Adventure Stories for Girls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369352 Horror by Lamplight]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346979 The Wordsworth Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189037 Mad Monkton and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413840 Masterpieces of Mystery in Four Volumes]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18059 In the Grip of Terror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514839 Van Edgar Allan Poe tot Roald Dahl]<br />
* "The Three Strangers" by Thomas Hardy - [http://klasikfanda.blogspot.com/2012/07/short-story-three-strangers-by-thomas.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424385 Tellers of Tales]<br />
* "Leiningen Versus the Ants" by Carl Stephenson - A lurid and much exaggerated account of army ants, but not intended to be taken as speculative, I feel sure - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]<br />
* "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell -[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558649 Early September]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?416364 Psychos]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302214 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291549 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?512071 Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbinders in Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394763 Stories and Storytellers]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375279 Verhalen die Hitchcock Koos]<br />
* "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_to_the_Slaughter#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176041 Someone Like You (Dell)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322881 Lamb to the Slaughter and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?480807 Tales of the Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?471509 Someone Like You (Livre de Poche)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537122 Rakkaani, kyyhkyläiseni / Joku kaltaisesi]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533499 Lammkeule und andere Geschichten]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371205 M'n Liefje, M'n Duifje]<br />
* "Contents of the Dead Man's Pockets" by Jack Finney - [http://www.elacommoncorelessonplans.com/contents-of-the-dead-mans-pocket-lesson-plans-summary-analysis.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180273 The Third Level]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258702 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258701 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439201 The Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301712 The First Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]<br />
* "Two Bottles of Relish" by Lord Dunsany - One of Dunsany's few non-speculative crime stories. [https://cgrishikesh.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/lord-dunsany-two-bottles-of-relish/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?64784 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588045 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17298 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17297 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444547 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257830 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 The Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9463 Death]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344994 Masterpieces of Horror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251144 Owls' Watch]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34443 Tall Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "A Note for the Milkman" by Sidney Carroll - [https://tentoinfinity.com/2013/06/05/a-note-for-the-milkman-by-sidney-carroll/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51648 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193021 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193049 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251425 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180161 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251424 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251426 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263437 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444141 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "The Cone" by H. G. Wells - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cone SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304364 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?574053 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439345 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495929 A Harvest of Horrors]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288845 The Time Machine: An Invention and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360304 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426598 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426599 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331258 Selected Short Stories of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?524428 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285926 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352106 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338206 Complete Short Story Omnibus]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37475 The Cone]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575308 Works of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420004 The Country of the Blind and Other Selected Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404370 Der gestohlene Bazillus und andere Geschichten]<br />
* "The Lodger" by Marie Belloc Lowndes - [https://margotkinberg.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/in-the-spotlight-marie-bellocc-lowndes-the-lodger/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18836 Jack the Knife]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27604 Red Jack]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]<br />
* "The Terrapin" by Patricia Highsmith - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrapin SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301711 The Twelfth Pan Book of Horror Stories]<br />
Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Nongenre_stories:_attempt_at_a_roundup Community Portal]. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:00, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry for the delay. I will comment there. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price to your verified ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15134].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 20:46, 11 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Seventh Son ==<br />
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Please check the back cover of {{p|309648|Seventh Son}} to see if there's a cover art credit for James C. Christensen. I have a 13th printing that credits Christensen on the back cover and Nolan on the copyright page. My copy has the Noland artwork. Your copy has a die-cut cover with the Noland artwork partially visible in the cutout. You open the cover to view the entire Nolan painting. If your copy credits Christensen on the back cover then he likely did the artwork that's on the outer cover. I suspect a fix would be to add a second cover title record sort of like a dos-a-dos. --[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 06:44, 30 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry to have taken so long. Finally managed to dig it up.... There are no credits of any kind on the back cover, just a blurb sandwiched between two quotes (''Washington Post Book World'' and ''Chicago Sun Times'') and "A Tom Doherty Associates, Inc. Book". The credits are:<br />
:*Cover art by Dennis Noland<br />
:*Cover design by Carol Russo<br />
:*Maps by Alan McKnight<br />
:and that's the extent of it. I have a very similar vintage -- and style -- book, {{P|27636|Red Prophet}}. On that there is also no additional credit, but the Nolan credit specifically says "'''Inside''' cover art..." (also, what looks like NOLAN is visible in the bottom right corner of the painting). If you want to add a second cover credited to Christensen based on your 13th printing, it's ok with me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:23, 9 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Prophet of Lamath ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon cover art for {{P|265759|The Prophet of Lamath}} with a scan of my copy, also added the Copyright statement. I've indicated that the LCCN is not valid. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 08:12, 6 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wizard in Waiting ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon Cover art for {{P|245277|The Wizard in Waiting}} with a scan of my copy, also added the Copyright statement. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 08:22, 6 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Power and the Prophet ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon Cover art for {{P|45485|The Power and the Prophet}} with a scan of my copy, also added the Copyright statement. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 08:31, 6 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Full Moon Tonight ==<br />
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Hi Marty. You approved my submittal of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629206 Moonbroth #11] and you made the title "Full Moon Tonight" by Amos Salmonson into a variant of "Amos"'s parent author Jessica Amanda Salmonson - all well and good. However that title appears a second time [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1880295 here] with a note saying that this is a "radically altered version" which first appeared in Moonbroth 11. My question is if it is "radically altered" should the title remain in the db twice as it exists now, with perhaps a note added to the one that appears in Moonbroth. Or should the Hag's Tapestry version be varianted to the Moonbroth version? Or something else? Thanks for any help. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 00:17, 9 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:If the texts are not "the same", then we consider them different works. I use "the same" in quotes because in practice we ignore situations where there are small differences. Without reading both pieces, I take the "radically altered" at face value and assume these are substantially different enough that they should not be merged. Also, with the exception of translations, we do not use variants to indicate derivation relationships. So no variant here. Adding a complementary note to the Moonbroth version about the Hag's Tapestry version is a good idea. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:32, 9 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for the clarification - very helpful. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 11:55, 9 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== four past midnight ==<br />
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fairly trivial; page # for introductory note for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14505 is xi,not xii; will fix if no objection. thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 21:55, 14 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:No objection! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:27, 15 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Castle Roogna ==<br />
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{{P|202541|Castle Roogna}}: I've updated the Printing History - the copyright statement does say <I>First Edition</I> not <I>First Printing</I>. The LCCN is as listed on the copyright statement but the web site says it is invalid. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 14:09, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Can you help with canonical name change ==<br />
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Hi, I'm about to change the canonical name of Jaspre Bark to Jasper Bark, as I posted on the moderator notice board yesterday. Would you be able to stand by and approve the first steps in the process so I can go on to the next steps? I will first unvariant all variants, then I will go through the remaining titles on Jaspre Bark's page and either make a new variant for it or change the name on it and merge it. (Please don't delete anything before I've dealt with it.) Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 10:24, 26 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. Go nuts. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:25, 26 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:: All done; thank you very much! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 10:51, 26 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Mathemagics ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon Cover Art of {{P|21696|Mathemagics}} with a scan of my copy. I’ve added the LCCN although the LoC record states that is a hardcopy edition. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 07:56, 5 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Master of Many Treasures ==<br />
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Updated the Printing History and added the source of the cover artist to {{P|21626|Master of Many Treasures}}. Added the LCCN. Replaced the Amazon Cover art with a scan of my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 12:51, 11 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Drgonne's Eg ==<br />
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Updated the Printing History and added the source of the cover artist to {{P|11221| Dragonne’s Eg}}. Added the LCCN. Replaced the Amazon Cover art with a scan of my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 12:57, 11 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Braintree Mission ==<br />
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Hi, In your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282184 The Braintree Mission] you credit the cover art to a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?170629 Jack O'Hara Cosgrave, II]. https://archive.org/details/braintreemission00nich has it as by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?121904 John O'Hara Cosgrave, II]. Could you pleease check?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:04, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:John, not Jack, it is. Corrected. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:04, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282870 Star Wars] ==<br />
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I was looking at verifying [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282870 this pub] and saw that you had already added it. However, it appears that it should have From the the Adventure of Luke Skywalker as a subtitle and be moved in with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25799 these pubs].<br />
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== Pohl's "Essay" or "Story" ==<br />
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If you want, I'll scan the item and send you a copy, just tell me where. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 10:13, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the offer. It's fine. Aside from double-checking that the ESSAY typing was intentional vs. an oversight, I wasn't trying to debate the absolute correctness of how it is typed. I was only trying to figure out if the translation (which I don't have access to) is of the entire piece or a subset. I tried, but I can't tell, so I've defaulted to assuming it is (or it matches other non-Galaxy appearances). The only consequence of my punt is that I changed the variant's type to ESSAY so that it matches the parent. Not much harm there if in the future we decide the type should be different or that there's two forms of it -- one the full "essay" and another just the story with no commentary -- that should have different types assigned. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:19, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== SQL bug in Advanced Search ==<br />
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It turns out that we have a somewhat obscure bug in the Advanced Search logic: {{Bug|690}}. I have experimented with [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/biblio/adv_search_results.py the code], but I can't find a way to fix the bug without redoing the query generator. Since you are much better at SQL, I wonder if you may find some time to take a look and see if a straightforward solution may be possible. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:31, 3 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Sure thing. Sorry about availability lately. My home computer is flaking out. Intermittently goes through bouts of freezing up for minutes at a time. I haven't been able to figure it out, and it makes doing anything involving multiple actions challenging.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:03, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: No worries, take your time! One thing that I have come across is that very low humidity can cause ESD (electrostatic discharge) issues with CPUs. And, of course, low humidity is something that goes hand in hand with cold winters and using heaters. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 08:07, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::Sorry, sorta bad news. You will need to rewrite at least a portion of it. The problem with "not exactly" and "does not contain" in the multi-table context is that with inner joins, those actually mean "has an XXX and XXX.yyy is not exactly/does not contain ZZZ". But the simple presentation leads one to expect the more intuitive: "does not have an XXX, or, if having XXX, XXX.yyy is not exactly/does not contain ZZZ". Notice you don't have the same problem with the complementary "is exactly" or "contains" because for those to work as expected, "has XXX" is quite obviously implicit and required.<br />
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:::So for those two operators, you would need outer join syntax instead, and then your query's test condition would need to treat null as equivalent to not matching/not containing. For example, ''... and (pub_series.pub_series_name is null or pub_series.pub_series_name not like '%ZZZ%')...'' or a MySQL-specific ''... and ifnull(pub_series.pub_series_name,<nowiki>''</nowiki>) not like '%ZZZ%'...''.<br />
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:::It's early in the morning, and I haven't yet had any coffee, but I think you might be able to rewrite the generation to do outer joins in all cases (rather than inner for some operators and outer for other operators) and always use the ifnull trick. If you didn't use ifnull, you'd need to vary the null checking -- ''is not null and...'' for the positive cases and ''is null or...'' for the negative cases. But with ifnull, you could always do ''ifnull(xxx,<nowiki>''</nowiki>) <comparison>...''. I don't know if an empty string in ifnull would work. If not, you could pick some arbitrary string that won't match, like ISFDBWILLNOTMATCH. The danger with going all outer joins all the time is you might get some bad performance and/or high peak memory usage. The optimizer is not going to be able to reduce the main table candidate row set via the smaller tables.<br />
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:::One final warning: In SQLServer, I ran into some issues mixing ANSI outer join syntax with inline inner joins (vs. using explicit ANSI inner join syntax). I have no reason to believe that MySQL would have that problem, but I figured I'd mention it.<br />
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:::I hope that helps. If you're not familiar with outer joins, let me know and I can give you some full examples. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:20, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thanks muchly! I remember reading about outer joins back when I was learning SQL, but I don't think I've ever had to use them. My earlier investigation had determined that the underlying problem was that inner joins assumed "has an XXX and XXX.yyy is not exactly/does not contain ZZZ", but I didn't realize that outer joins were the answer. I'll poke around to see what I can do... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::I sent you some examples in email. Let me know if you didn't get them. Happy to help with reformulation if you decide to go there. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:57, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== At the Earth's Core ==<br />
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I've added a line to the note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3271 this] pub regarding the publisher's address and the ad(s) at the end. My copy is for 1120 Avenue of the Americas and has one ERB ad with 18 titles, but rumor has it there's a version for 23 West 47th Street with only 3 ERB titles, plus other ads. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:10, 8 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, I will double-check my copy when I get a chance. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:37, 10 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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::My copy is the latter. It does not match the current notes. I will clone and make another edition. Mine has the 23 West 47th Street. The ad page has ERB F-157 - F-159, plus Otis Adelbert Kline D-516 and D-531, Leigh Brackett F-123, and Marion Zimmer Bradley F-117 and F-153 . F-titles 40&cent;, D-titles 35&cent;, repeating the 23 W. 47th St. address for purchases. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:00, 14 January 2018 (EST)<br />
::p.s. If your copy has F-204 in the ad, we have {{P|34551|that}} Ace edition as 1963-05-00 from the same source used for the 1962-09-00 date for ''At the Earth's Core''. We have F-159 as 1962-10-00, but I suppose it would be reasonable for a September F-157 to have a future date for something coming out the next month. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:22, 14 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::Mine does include the F-204. I presume the address change gives an approximate date and order for the two versions, much like the ads, but I have nothing to work with besides a number of Burroughs editions. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:27, 14 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Chessmen of Mars ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon image with scan and moved OCLC to External IDs in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283454 this] publication. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:16, 16 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Synthetic Men of Mars ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon image with scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283481 this] pub. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:44, 16 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Academ's Fury ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon image with scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296603 this] pub.[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:34, 22 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== LitRPG Freaks ==<br />
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Thanks for getting me to look this up. ''LitRPG Freaks'' seems to be a real thing, or once was anyway. A google search leads me to [http://litrpgfreaks.com/ this site] but it hasn’t been updated since May of 2017. Witness [http://litrpgfreaks.com/our-books/ this]. I still don’t know if this is an online fan site, a publishing group, an online meeting place, or whatever. However, based on the content of this site, I think I ''will'' list them as a publisher. When somebody has some hard cold facts, like being a member of this collective/group/fan sit and they contact ISFDB then they correct or add to the known data. Let me know what you think. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 13:57, 13 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I think that sounds fine. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:42, 14 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Let me know when you are around ==<br />
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Thanks again for volunteering! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:55, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I will check back in at 7:30 pm Eastern and then at 10 pm Eastern. Let's see if any of those work. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:52, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Sorry, to have been unreliable. I likely won't make 7:30, but I will 10 pm. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:25, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: No worries at all. You around now by any chance? 18:36, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: All yours. Feel free to deal with them in anyway you see fit. Thanks again and have a good weekend. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:02, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::: Thanks again for dealing with all of these! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:51, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Karlo Yeager Rodríguez ==<br />
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Good morning -- could you correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?241475 Karlo Yeager Rodriguez] to Karlo Yeager Rodríguez with an accent? He has one verified publication & the verifier confirms that the diacritic is there. Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 07:28, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:All set. Did you see the alternate, hyphenated name? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:39, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes-- the one publication where it appears didn't print the diacritic, so I guess we should leave it that way unless "Yeager-Rodríguez" turns up someplace. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 08:00, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Held submission ==<br />
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I'm not sure what that's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3812048 this submission] about. <br />
I made a change, but not there and all the changes I recall have been accomplished. <br />
I always leave a note--was there a note? [[User:Lucidobias|Luci]] 15:33, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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At a second glance it appears the same record of that number was previously approved the previous day; so somehow that record was duplicated almost 24 hours later. [[User:Lucidobias|Luci]] 16:32, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Tonight's author correcion ==<br />
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Could you correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?272891 Francisco J. Perez] to Francisco J. Pérez? Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 20:33, 24 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Lots of computer problems since the last batch of M$ updates, but done. It set his language to English. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:39, 24 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== A Fighting Man of Mars - Edgar Rice Burroughs ==<br />
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I recently added a variation [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676060 here] of the publication you had verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560 here]. The two versions differ in the ads in the final pages, which I documented in the notes. I had arbitrarily chosen which ads were associated with each publication, so you may need to move your verification to the other copy, depending on what you have in your copy. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:16, 28 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, thanks. I moderated that submission and checked my copy, which matched your notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:24, 29 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Trek 4 (German Terra Astra 122) and Star Trek 7 (Bantam Books, 1979) ==<br />
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Hi, I've placed a link in the notes at the German Terra Astra publication with a link to [https://www.sfandfantasy.co.uk/php/details2.php?id=1085 this page], where it says "This cover illustration was used for:<br />
Terra Astra #222 (Pabel, 1975) and Star Trek 7 (Bantam Books, 1979)".--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 04:47, 31 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== BB Codes discussion ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#BB_Codes_-_First_pass this discussion]? It's the latest iteration of the security-related issues which we discussed in the past. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== E-mail problems ==<br />
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I am trying to figure out if any of my attempts to e-mail you earlier today made it through since I have received a bunch of delivery failure notifications. Could you please respond here to let me know if the e-mail made it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:43, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi. No, nothing from you since 8/12 3:35pm with the numbered list, to which I replied about #3 with regard to zapping tags not whitelisted. Nothing in spam filter. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:49, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks, I'll try again. Both your main address and the Sourceforge one returned multiple errors: like "multiple delivery attempts failed" and "SMTP error from remote server for TEXT command, host: mx.sourceforge.net ([IP address]) reason: 550 This message scored 23.3 points." I may need to edit my email and remove the iffy bits in case it's a problem with the payload. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:06, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: SourceForge has returned yet another delivery failure message. I then used the ISFDB e-mail server and received a copy of my e-mail from SourceForge. I guess it means that SourceForge is OK, but the final destination is having issues. As I recall, they had problems last week, but I thought they were fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:09, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Updating SERIAL Help ==<br />
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I am leaving this message on the Talk pages of active editors who (AFAIK) are currently active in the magazine/fanzine area. Based on recent feedback from a new editor, I have attempted to streamline our Help templates which govern the use of the SERIAL title type. I have posted a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#SERIAL_in_Help_templates proposal] which shuffles the relevant snippets between 3 different Help templates and clarifies a few things. When you get a chance, could you please review the proposed language to make sure that it's accurate and comprehensive? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:24, 24 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== About the Illustrator (A Wizard of Earthsea) ==<br />
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Hi. We have 5 or 6 title records for About the Illustrator (A Wizard of Earthsea), some of which are in the queue as I depart [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=About+the+Illustrator&type=All+Titles]. Some of the later ones may be about illustrators other than Ruth Robbins, for all I know.<br />
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That listed in the January 1982 Bantam 16th printing, verified by you and Marc Kupper, is distinctive in crediting illustrator Ruth Robbins as the author of the essay T{{t|360461}}. I see that it may be useful to have that work listed on the Robbins summary bibliography page, but I doubt that she is credited for it. Do you know of any discussion, or proposal, to make ESSAY and NONFICTION about a person easier to find, whether by work-around or database augmentation?<br />
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Anyway, if your copy of the book is handy, does the essay provide no useful information about {{a|Ruth Robbins}}? (This weekend I provided what little we have.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:36, 10 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:The essay is uncredited. The credit is on the title page, "Illustrated by Ruth Robbins", and on the copyright page, "Copyright (c) 1968 …, by Ruth Robbins for drawings."<br />
:The entirety of the essay is:<br />
::''Ruth Robbins illustrated'' A Penny and a Perriwinkle'','' Fisherman's Luck'','' Wild Animals of the Far West'','' Stories California Indians Told'' and'' Ishi, Last of His Tribe'' (an ALA Notable Book). She is the author of'' Baboushka and the Three Kings'' (Caldecott Award), ''The Emperor and the Drummer Boy'' (an ALA Notable Book) and ''Harlequin and Mother Goose''. She lives in Berkeley, California, with her husband and son.''<br />
:FWIW, the "About the Author" isn't credited, either. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:20, 11 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the transcript. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:02, 12 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Jupiter ==<br />
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Added notes and a cover scan to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19207 Jupiter].<br />
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== Magazine dates redux ==<br />
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A quick FYI: the issue of magazine dates has [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Magazine_issue_dates|resurfaced]]. I have copy-pasted your August proposal. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:04, 1 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Onthuld duplicate epub submitted? ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4030641 submitted] a kindle edition of {{p|2461317|Onthuld}}. This is (highly likely) a duplicate of the already-existing entry with {{p|691436|ISBN 978-90-00-34317-1}}; this is evidenced by the fact that the publication dates are the same and, when searching with this ISBN on Amazon.nl, the kindle edition is retrieved. The fact that the publisher is different is not sufficient to warrant a separate entry since De Boekerij and Van Goor are part of the same publishers' group, and the entered publisher is likely in error (we won't know for sure unless we can check an electronic copy of the ebook; however, ISBN series 978-90-00 is typically used by Van Goor).<br><br />
I therefore suggest to merge both pub records, and make notes. Are you OK with that? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 04:48, 9 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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PS: A nice graph can be found [https://www.lannoo.be/nl/over-ons here] where you can see that Van Goor and De Boekerij both belong to LannooMeulenhoff bv<br />
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:Sorry, I was out of town for a few days. Yes, merging them seems appropriate. I somehow missed the existing entry. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:01, 11 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::np. I'll take care of the merger. Thanks for the confirmation. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:48, 11 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Weird LCCN ==<br />
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Hello Marty, <br />
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I am trying to clear the remaining non-linked and not-migrated LCCNs in the system and got to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282401 this one]. The number 200304618 does not seem to lead anywhere however the hardcover from the previous year (same publisher), has [https://lccn.loc.gov/2003042618 2003042618]. Is there a typo in the book? Or did a "2" in the middle get missed during the entry creation? <br />
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If it is a book typo, I would like to document that and template the actual number. Or just template the actual number if it is a typo in our DB. I will also direct the other PV here so we have the conversation in one place. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:43, 26 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I couldn't immediately find the book on my shelves. I will dig through the boxes tonight. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:14, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::Hi Annie. I found the book, and it is as documented. The bottom 1/4th of the copyright page:<br />
<pre><br />
ISBN 0-765-34390-8<br />
EAN 978-0765-34390-1<br />
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 200304618<br />
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First Edition: May 2003<br />
First mass market edition: May 2004<br />
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Printed in the United States of America<br />
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0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1<br />
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::Feel free to do what you want with it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:24, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for tracking it down. I edited to add what I found (if we know it, why not document it). Feel free to edit further if you want :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:40, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Imaro ==<br />
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Thank you, I would like to include an essay that Charles R. Saunder wrote for Dragon magazine, but I do not know how to put an issue, he also did one for The Savage Sword of Conan, but that one is not registered. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] 09:16, 30 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
:The issue where he published is # 122 (1987), which is not registered. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] 10:11, 30 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Steel Brother ==<br />
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You primary-verified this item: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?240605 . I added publication information on the story "Out of the Darkness," taken from that edition's acknowledgments. [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] 7:14, 2 June 2019 (CDT)<br />
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== Whispers II ==<br />
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You primary-verified this item: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282910 . I added a OCLC link. [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] 8:29, 10 July 2019 (CDT)<br />
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== Ee Leen Lee update ==<br />
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I was trying to set the primary language to English, but it seems like that's already the case. I'll cancel the edit.<br />
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== Of Time and Space and Other Things == <br />
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You primary-verified this edition: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205749 I added OCLC number to External ID, shifted the LCCN number from pub note to External ID, and lightly edited the pub note for consistent capitalization. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 18:49, 3 October 2019 (CST)<br />
: I have submitted a removal of the LCCN number from the pub note, since the number was for Doubleday's first edition, not this one. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 12:28, 9 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::The only problem I have with these changes is that now the documentation that the book lists an LCCN on its copyright page has been lost. I would rather than had been converted to a note saying what LCCN is listed and pointing out it's for a different edition. I will probably dig up my copy of the book and put that information back into the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:10, 10 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not sure why the removal was approved - when Mike shifted it to the External ID earlier this month, I moved it back to the notes and left it there as it was (and explained why). I tend to do notes instead of deleting - especially because these are on the copyright pages a lot. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 10:25, 10 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I did not investigate. It's ok, I can easily reconstruct it. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:43, 10 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== 二十二分間の予言 ==<br />
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Hi MartyD, <br />
The editor is not the most responsive but he adds works we do miss so... I tend to do some more legwork than usual - usually adding ASINs while I am at that when he adds kindle works. [https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00TNG7VBS This is the book] he is trying to add. Amazon has it as 86 pages which in any other language would be a novella; not entirely sure for Japanese but I rarely see him mixing up the containers lately. You may want to ping Nihonjoe for an opinion but at 86, I am pretty sure it will be too short for a novel. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:14, 5 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Ok, thanks. I am away this week and did not have time to do the research. I will fix it up when I get a chance. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:36, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Story Behind the Foundation - Asimov essay ==<br />
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Hi, could you please confirm whether the essay in your PV {{P|286824|here}} is actually the 1982-12-00 date? I'm asking because I have the same title but dated 1986 in a different Grafton edition and I'm trying to sort out loose ends. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 23:22, 8 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:For technical reasons, could you not change any records at the moment, if you think they might need it: Annie's sorting out some background stuff first. Hope this is ok with you. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 00:46, 9 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: After restoring back to where we were before I merged, this one indeed remained with the 1982 ones (where it was before) so the question still stands - if these essays are indeed different, is this one really the early one and not the revised? (newly written?) 1986 version? :) Thanks for the patience, gentlemen. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:24, 9 December 2019 (EST)<br />
(unindent) MartyD, could you please compare your essay with this 1986 one [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:The_Story_Behind_the_Foundation_1986.jpg] and let me know when yours is dated for. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 19:57, 9 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, I've been a bit busy. The one in my book matches the picture and is dated 1986 (as that one is). Someone probably merged it with something dated 1982. I will put a note in the pub about the essay credit but will otherwise leave everything else alone -- I assume one of you will fix the date. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:46, 10 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks Marty! I will go chase a few more PVs - I think that all the Foundation and Earth books have the newer essay - but we have enough verifier to check. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:36, 10 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Proven Guilty - Jim Butcher ==<br />
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I see you're a PV for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?96631]. Does your copy match the cover illustration exactly? Mine (1st printing, full numline) has different wording, and a 'As seen on SciFi' circle. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:49, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Seeing it's an Amazon-provided cover pic, chances are it's not the actual cover that's shown. I'll let Marty confirm for this case, but it's good practice (imo) to always replace any external cover link with a scan of the actual book at hand. I myself have had several occasions where cover of a book I own differs (considerably) from what Amazon shows. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:32, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry for the delay. I will check on it later today. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:37, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::No, it no longer matches. Mine has the "As seen on SciFi" circle, and the ROC logo is in the bottom left, not the bottom right. I will do a scan for it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:31, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Orc's opal ==<br />
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MartyD. I took your suggestion and tried to add a note regarding the erroneous LCCN on my copy. Was my post unacceptable. I did not include the correct LCCN 90-39230. Should I have? The submission number is 4720764. I don't know which moderator is handling. Thanks for your help. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:53, 12 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, my availability is a little sporadic. I see Annie handled the submission since you posted this. Submissions sometimes sit because no moderator has gotten to them yet. A wait does not necessarily imply that anything is wrong. If a moderator handles a submission and finds a problem with it, they will contact you, rest assured. If something is not the way it should be, the moderator's responsibilities include coaching the submitter to avoid the same problem in the future -- community training! :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:58, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Lord Halifax's Complete Ghost Book ==<br />
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As verifier of {{P|286432|Lord Halifax's Complete Ghost Book}}, please see [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Lord_Halifax.27s_Ghost_Stories|this discussion]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 17 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Industrial Magic ==<br />
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since the covers were "same" I replaced the amazon.com image that was changed -- can you confirm {{P|291045|Industrial Magic}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 15:13, 2 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:Hi Susan. You say "Industrial Magic", but the link is to "Dime Store Magic", and it looks like you did that in 2013. I did not see any of my primary verifications that you changed recently, so I'm not sure what's up. I looked for "Magic" in the pending Moderator queue and don't see anything there, either. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:38, 4 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Marty, I think [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4821054 this] was the change. As it is an ISFDB cover, specifically added to this publication, being replaced with an Amazon one and the moderator note made no sense considering where the cover was, I was very reluctant to approve without a positive note by the PVs. And I did not see this thread because the names did not match... You can unreject if it is a valid change (and the ISFDB cover will need to be deleted). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:52, 4 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:::Ah, got it. Looks like the original cover image addition was a mistake -- it's the wrong cover. The Amazon link in the rejected change is better (correct photo/art) but is still not the right cover (no Bantam logo + price line). I will scan and add the right one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:50, 6 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Wells Omnibus ==<br />
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I've got a question about your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269163 verified publication]. We have the title as "The War of the Worlds and The Time Machine" which certainly matches the cover and also the Worldcat record. However, Reginald1 has the title as "The Time Machine; and, The War of the Worlds" for the 1961 Dolphin edition. He specifically indicates that it is a variant title of the 1956 Globe edition. Could you double check and see if the title page differs from the cover, and our record? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:20, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Hi Ron. Sorry about the delay -- I had this shelved in an unexpected spot.... The immediate 1st interior endpaper-ish page and the title page both have the same<br />
::THE WAR OF THE WORLDS<br />
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::THE TIME MACHINE<br />
:The only difference between those and the cover is the formatting (titles in all-caps, "and" italicized). The back cover and spine omit the "and", simply stacking the two all-caps titles. Definitely Dolphin, 1961. 95c on the cover. Maybe he mixed up which edition has which text? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Storm Front ==<br />
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There appear to be two publication records for the same publication. Both are the 18th printing with one record using the ISBN10 and the other the ISBN13 of the same ISBN. I suspect you and the other editor should work out how to combine them or to add notes that explain why there are two records and how to distinguish the publications.<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?183681 Storm Front] PV by [[User talk:MartyD|MartyD]] on 2009-03-0 and using ISBN 978-0-451-45781-3<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?701326 Storm Front] PV by [[User talk:Taweiss|Taweiss]] on 2019-01-16 and using ISBN 0-451-45781-1<br />
--[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 15:33, 21 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Hmm. Thanks. Looks like that second one is even a clone of the first -- it has exactly my same note about the source of the cover credit. I wonder why it was let through. I'll try to figure out what's going on. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:31, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Nick St(r)aguzzi ==<br />
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Hi, Marty, a good new year to you! The co-author of the story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556749 this magazine] likely is Nick Straguzzi, but if there's a typo in the magazine or one in our database, that's the question. Are you able to take a look? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:56, 3 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes, definitely a typo. Fixed. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 4 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Now & Beyond ==<br />
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Hi<br />
I noticed that we have the editor of ''{{P|268841|Now & Beyond}}'' listed as "Ivan Howard" and I believe that his is the actual editor. However, {{Reginald1}} and Worldcat do not list an editor. Contento1 does list Howard as the editor but notes that the book was published as by "Anonymous" (equivalent to our "uncredited"). Could you double check the title page and if no editor is credited, I think we should changed the record to uncredited and make a variant of the resulting title to Howard. I'm leaving the same note on [[User talk:Stoecker|Stoecker]]'s and [[User talk:Willem H.|Willem H.]]'s pages as they are the other verifiers who have been active in the last 3 months. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:55, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, it was a bit of an archeological excavation to find the book. 12 years ago is a long time! There is absolutely no editor credit anywhere in/on the book, nor is there any sort of preface/introduction or afterword -- it's just the bare 8 stories. I wouldn't have created the credit. Unfortunately, I don't know if the record was there with the credit and I blindly "verified" it, or if someone added it from a secondary source. I'm ok with changing it to uncredited if we don't have any such source. It is copyright 1952, 1955, 1956, 1958 by Columbia Productions, Inc. I suspect that's for four of the stories, but it's not explicit in that regard. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:16, 12 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Mule ==<br />
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Isaac Asimov. I think this is actually a novel, not a novella. I estimate it at 50000 words. [[User:Ommadawndk|Ommadawndk]] 15:59, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I dug up my Doubleday omnibus and see it's about 143 full pages (roughly 138 full pages and 10 half pages). The density is about 350 words per page, so your estimate of 50000 looks right to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:47, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic Kingdom of Landover ==<br />
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As a PV of at least one volume please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== on or On? ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?title; typing "moving on" as an exact title shows maybe a dozen titles, and only the one I made an edit for has "on" in lowercase, so should all the others be lowercase, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:29, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: There is a reference in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Capitalization_in_English_and_special_cases this] discussion. I don't know that anything has changed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:46, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry for the delay, I was visiting my mother yesterday.... Under the current rules, "on" should only be capitalized if it is the first word in the title (or subtitle), regardless of its part of speech. So, yes, the instances where it is capitalized as "Moving On" are the non-conformers. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 10 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Terminal ==<br />
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Hi Marty, I started to verify [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282447 Terminal] and I saw the this note ' "03549" on rear cover '. What does that mean? Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:54, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I have looked high and low and haven't been able to find the book. It's here somewhere, but where exactly is a mystery.... My guess is there was a small white box in a lower corner with that number in it. I was probably somewhat worried that it might be a book club edition. If that were the case, the presence/absence of that number could be a clue for how to distinguish the retail edition from the book club edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:00, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for checking, Marty. My guess was that the book club editon was accidently verified. Should I remove that note, or clone the pub and create a true first edition? If I clone, we should remove the date, price, and printing note from the verified record. Let me know which you prefer [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:17, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::I pointed Gzuckier to this to see if he can contribute any information about his copy. I wish I could find mine. In the absence of that, my inclination is for you to clone it and make a record for your copy, noting the absence of any number on the back, and then add a note to this record that it's a likely book club edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:19, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::I submitted the edit to your pub as suggested. I left the other fields unchanged. If you do find it, and it is indeed a book club edition, the other fields should be changed. I'm curious to see if Gzuckier responds, his verification on 2016-11-09 was transient. I know I wouldn't remember that far back. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:09, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::If we keep this as an SFBC, shouldn't the publisher be changed into 'G. P. Putnam's Sons / SFBC' as well? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:20, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::We would use BCE unless we knew it to be SFBC specifically. I sort of doubt this would have been an SFBC, but we might be able to check catalogues/lists for that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:28, 29 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Hi. I'm afraid my copy's gone free range around the house somewhere, but if it turns up I'll let you guys know. Thanks for the info[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 01:10, 2 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Hi me again. I found my copy, and it doesn't have the number box on the back cover.[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 11:53, 3 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Bite of Monsters / O'Neal ==<br />
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My copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281875] has a copyright in Roman numerals. Does yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:22, 1 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, I have not been able to find it. The book storage area has been subject to some rearrangement, so I suspect it got mis-shelved. I will keep looking. But my copy apparently had no copyright date (from what my comment says), so if yours has a copyright, it is probably a different edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:18, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Ok, I've cloned it and noted the copyright. (My copy has a copyright page with just the single line near the bottom of the page). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:54, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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==Bound to the Dark Prince==<br />
"Bound to the Dark Prince" by Aria Lovely is a new book that I recently added to the data base. Title Record # 2898585 This is her first book in her "The Fae Wars" series. Unfortunately it has been tied to another Fae Wars series, "The Fae Wars: Onslaught" by J. F. Holmes and Lucas Marcum. Title Record # 2851786 "Bound to the Dark Prince" by Aria Lovely is book 1 of her The Fae Wars through Kindle (Goodreads 57399557) "The Fae Wars: Onslaught" by J. F. Holmes and Lucas Marcum is also a Vol One (Goodreads 57399557)(Kindle) Date base shows Cannon Publishing. Amazon shows this as a Kindle & Paperback and is the first of 2 books with the 2nd as "The Fae Wars: The Fall". These are 2 different series by 2 different authors with the same name and should be separated. [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] 17:31, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Ok, I'll take a look and straighten it out. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:28, 15 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Both series call themselves "The Fae Wars". The software links titles to series by name, so in a situation where we have multiple series with the same name, we have to add disambiguation to the those names. Where the titles in a series are all credited to the same author(s), we use their names. I've done that. Now we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62763 The Fae Wars (Lovely)] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?63994 The Fae Wars (Holmes, Marcum)]. If you visit either of those, you'll notice the software also automatically includes a prominent pointer to the other series with a similar name. I hope that makes sense. Please ask if that's not clear or if you have any questions. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:40, 15 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== MediaWiki upgrade ==<br />
<br />
<waves><br />
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We have a new contributor, [https://sourceforge.net/u/erdnagel/ Klaus Elsbernd], who has been looking into upgrading MySQL, MediaWiki and HTTPS. I am currently working with him on the HTTPS migration, but I am a bit out of my depth on the MediaWiki side. When you have a free moment, do you think you could take a look at the proposed authentication upgrade for MedaWiki 1.25+? It's in the Discussion section of {{SR|184}}. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:17, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Well, during my ongoing manual acquisition of my SF collection (using Book Collector) I stumbled on ISFDB and used it a lot for my english SF. So I want to support your effort over all these years. Since I'd like to support OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana too, I created a local copy of ISFDB and upgraded it to the current software: Mariadb 10.3, Phyton 2.7, MediaWiki 1.36.1, Apache 2.4 and converting the database (including MediaWiki) to move to HTTPS (using bash-scripts).<br />
: Mediawiki has changed since version 1.24 the method of storing passwords in its databases, which ISFDB uses. From then on, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBKDF2 PBKDF2] is used. At least, one reference to the password in ISFDB-wiki is the login cgi-script submitlogin.cgi. I changed this script to support the newer MediaWiki, as can be seen in [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/support-requests/184/ sourceforge support-requests 184]. It should be compatible to an old MediaWiki, because the code around the MD5-checksum isn't removed.<br />
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: The move of MD5 to PBKDF2 is referred in the documentation of MediaWiki somewhere. I have to search for it again, if needed. There are notes about changing the password hash in the database during user-login into the wiki automatically (first login).<br />
: MediaWiki 1.36.1 suggests a minimal password length of 10 characters. Can be skipped, but is somewhat annoying.<br />
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: There is another small problem, I described too: The remove of mw_user->user_options, which is referred in some maintenance scripts scripts/create_user.py. This column is removed in MediaWiki 1.19.<br />
: During the upgrade process in MediaWiki, this column is removed smoothly in the database. But the ISFDB script has to remove the reference too.<br />
: With the help of scripts [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/feature-requests/1298/ sourceforge feature-requests 1298] I then changed all references in the MediaWiki-database to use HTTPS. [[User:Elsbernd|elsbernd]] 23:45, 26 August 2021 (EDT) (modified references --[[User:Elsbernd|elsbernd]] 06:42, 28 August 2021 (EDT))<br />
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::Roger. Will look at it. I did an upgrade of a (work) MediaWiki installation from 1.16 to 1.34 and had no problems on the MediaWiki side. A few plug-ins were my only issue, and our use of Semantic MediaWiki made it a little more painful (had to do a few intermediate upgrades). If our code is hashing the password and looking it up in MediaWiki, then we'd necessarily have to change what we're doing if they changed their hash algorithm. That makes sense to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 16:36, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:36, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: From MediaWiki 1.36.1, file HISTORY: Configuration changes in 1.24:<br />
:::: <nowiki>* The default password type for MediaWiki has been changed from MD5 to PBKDF2.<br />
Password hashes will automatically be updated as users log in. If necessary,<br />
the old MD5 hashing can be restored by changing $wgPasswordDefault to 'B'.<br />
In addition, there is a maintenance script wrapOldPassword.php that can wrap<br />
all passwords in PBKDF2 (or the hashing algorithm of your choice) if you don't<br />
want to wait for your users to log in.</nowiki>--[[User:Elsbernd|elsbernd]] 07:15, 28 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Ah, right. One thing we have to consider is that people will log into the main ISFDB instead of into the Wiki, in which case there will be no automatic upgrade benefit. So perhaps forcing it to continue to use the old algorithm would be best. But ideally, it would be good to upgrade to the better algorithm, so maybe just force everyone to log in again after the upgrade. You could post a notice. Shouldn't be too bad. I don't quite understand about how a wrapper would work -- the existing hash can't be used to make a compatible new hash. Seems hack-ish and worth avoiding. May as go one of the two straightforward routes. My vote would be to upgrade to the new hash and force everyone to log in again. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:47, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: MD5 is broken a dozen years ago. Staying with the old algorithm should therefore be avoided. Using the wrapper script I'll have to look at it, but I can't imagine how this can be archived. So I would "vote" (I'm not in that position) too to force everyone to change the password. There could be a hint, if submitlogin.cgi detects the MD5-storage. Additionally this would not only use the modern/better storage-algorithm, but although a longer password :-) <br />
:::::: I always login into www.isfdb.org first, and then have to login into the wiki again. Don't know what arguments would do it the other way round.<br />
:::::: Thanks to [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], who has already included the modification in patch-level [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/feature-requests/1298/ 718] [[Development/Recent_Patches]] He works hard on all those changes. {{unsigned|Elsbernd}}<br />
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== Llana of Gathol / John Carter of Mars ==<br />
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Your PV'd pub of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283482 Llana of Gathol] has a date of April 1979 and states it is the 11 printing of the US edition. April 1979 is also the date of the second Canadian printing, distinguished only by "Printed in Canada". A reference work I have to hand states that no eleventh US printing has been discovered. I was wondering if yours could be one. Could you check the print country? (P.S. if it is the US, I'd like to submit images of the cover/copyright page if possible). Many thanks ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:49, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I see that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283801 John Carter of Mars] presents the same question, albeit as the ninth US vs third Canadian printing. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:40, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:'''Llana of Gathol''' -- I can't speak to the authority of your reference work, but my copy appears to me clearly a U.S. edition. Title page has "Ballantine Books - New York". Copyright page states "Published by Ballantine Books, a division of Random House, Inc., New York, and simultaneously in Canada by Random House of Canada, Limited, Toronto, Canada." Below that, it says: "Manufactured in the United States of America". I can't interpret that as anything but a U.S. printing.<br />
:<br />
: The are four printing dates given:<br />
::First U.S. Printing: August 1963<br />
::Eleventh U.S. Printing: April 1979<br />
::First Canadian Printing: September 1963<br />
::Second Canadian Printing: April 1979<br />
:<br />
:So it seems April 1979 does indeed have both a U.S. and a Canadian printing.<br />
:<br />
:'''John Carter of Mars''' -- This has all of the same details as above, except for the printing dates:<br />
::First U.S. Printing: April 1965<br />
::Ninth U.S. Printing: April 1979<br />
::First Canadian Printing: June 1965<br />
::Third Canadian Printing: April 1979<br />
:<br />
:So here, too, looks like two editions on April 1979 (makes sense -- they probably re-published the entire set), with the book I have the U.S. edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:09, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::p.s. I noticed while uploading cover images that both say "Cover printed in USA" at the bottom right corner on the back. I have uploaded pictures of everything.:<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-FrontCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-BackCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-TitlePage.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-CopyrightPage.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-FrontCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-BackCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-TitlePage.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-CopyrightPage.jpg]]<br />
::Sorry about the flash glare on the cover shots. Let me know if you need anything else. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:55, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: As to the authority, what he claims to have seen, he either has in his possession or has images of (I sent a number of Canadian editions). What he claims doesn't exist - absence of proof is not proof of absence and that's pretty much what he's going on. I've sent the images to him, we'll see what he says. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:28, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: After checking his inventory again, kicking himself and apologizing, he acknowledged that he actually owns the same US editions you have. It's the corresponding Canadian ones he believes exist but has no evidence for. Thanks for helping set things straight. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:32, 13 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Nice. Glad the info was useful. Thanks for the follow-up. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:23, 13 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== La Cuisine Humaine: How to Cook Like a Human Being ==<br />
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Hi Marty, <br />
<br />
I am very confused by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5076045 this update]. Why would a non-fiction book that has no fiction elements be a chapbook when we require fiction (poem, story, serial) for chapbooks? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:28, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I don't remember what was going on at the time. I'm pretty sure I concluded it's not non-fiction, so CHAPBOOK seemed best, despite the ESSAY type. Feel free to change it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:40, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, if it is not non-fiction, a fiction type of a title needs to be added (changing the essay or adding a second one). We cannot have empty chapbooks. :) I will do some digging and see what may be best. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:46, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Changed it back and added a note to the nonfiction container. Looks like a fictional essay... which can be tricky. Maybe that essay needs to become a story actually. :) Will chase a few PVs in a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:01, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bulfinch's Mythology ==<br />
<br />
In digging around the archives for ISFDB's take on mythology, I ran across [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive41#Bulfinch.27s_Mythology this] discussion on Bulfinch's Mythology. You seemed to have agreed with keeping these as collections, but have not entered your 1978 copy, nor responded to Vasha's request to enter the contents. Do yo have any comments before I submit my reprinted 1960's editions of these books? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:05, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Wow, there's a bit of a blast from the past. I don't know that I formed an opinion; I was only trying to provide information. To be honest, it is not clear to me if this material should be "in" under ISFDB policy. Anyway, I have no objection to your adding the information. Maybe that will motivate me to add mine :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:32, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::I've submitted the Collection without contents for now, I figure I can import them easily enough. I did notice - based on the one edition that did include the detailed contents - that there is an extra section in my edition - List of Illustrative Passages. And, based on the preface, think there's an entirely new section in the Age of Chivalry called "The Knights of English History" added by Edward Everett Hale in 1883. I agree the inclusion is debatable, the reason I dug it up was trying to figure out whether to enter any of the Icelandic eddas and sagas. And by the by, 2016 isn't that long ago, I've only been here a year longer than you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:16, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::You want a real (but relevant) blast from the past - see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_03#The_Sword_of_the_Golem_by_Abraham_Rothberg this]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== No The in the Title ==<br />
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https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/dermot-chesson-spence-little-red-shoes-ghost-story-1995-number-1-350; The extra "the" in the title is only in the original. The reprint doesn't have it; see title page at link. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:50, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, thanks. I figured it out and fixed it up. We needed a variant, which I've put in place. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:55, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I made an edit with the cover artist's name, and found this, [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ty-3sObnSZkJ:https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw235461/Dermot-Spence-Muriel-Evelyn-Spence-ne-Crailsham&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0], which gives month and day of birth but also says he died in 1963, not 1966. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:23, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::I noticed the bio on the 1937 dust jacket (facsimile [https://www.dustjackets.com/pictures/31028.jpg?v=1316529675 here]) says he's 33, so that at least corroborates the 1904. [https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/GSF8-BNM/dermot-chesson-1904-1966 This site] says 1966 and age 62, and it looks like [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Supernatural_Index/RPrvLFYwm30C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=dermot+spence+chesson&pg=PA517 Contento] also thinks 1966. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:48, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::Oh, check out [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ this site]. [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=234609076:0785&d=bmd_1644238129 This] confirms 1966. They also have a [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=234609076:0785&d=bmd_1644238129&scan=1 scan] of the original record. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:52, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::::And [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=112394314:6716&d=bmd_1644238129 here] gives us Sep 1904 birth date, although it looks like the registry is July - September, so one can't tell the month precisely. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:54, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lot No. 249 ==<br />
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Regarding {{T|874151}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and artist credit. 1892 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was not knighted until 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:35, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Oops, missed that. The book gave 1892, and I failed to think about it further. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:55, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The High Lord ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41508 The High Lord], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+531 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The High Lord)" on pg 527, and "Glossary (The High Lord)" on pg 529? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:49, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Not at all. Knock yourself out! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:35, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Best of the Bolos: Their Finest Hour cover ==<br />
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Hi, minor question, does the cover for your copy of The Best of the Bolos: Their Finest Hour look like the current Amazon link [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51vMtBHLLoL.jpg]? Mine (same isbn, first printing) has a BAEN logon in the top left corner and a blurb printed over the lower left. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 23:57, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the delay. No, it does not. I'll scan mine. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:01, 20 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Replaced it with [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/71/BLSTHRFNST2010.jpg] --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:17, 20 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 17:58, 24 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Trek 10 ==<br />
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Added link to image to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284821 here]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:28, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== MediaWiki (Again) ==<br />
<br />
So I've been working on a modern LAMP stack, and as of this weekend Ahasuerus and I have the result up and running at isfdb2.org. Current versions are:<br />
<br />
* Linux: 4.18.0-240.15.1.el8_3.x86_64 x86_64<br />
* Apache: Apache/2.4.37 (AlmaLinux)<br />
* MySQL: 8.0.26<br />
* Python: 2.7.18<br />
<br />
There is no MediaWiki installed, but we have the full MySQL backup running there, meaning all the current MediaWiki tables are present. So this is a slightly different situation than upgrading MediaWiki on the isfdb live server, given that (simplistically), we just drop down the latest version of MediaWiki, run some magic upgrade script, and then... do something about the add-ons.<br />
<br />
So what are your suggested steps for upgrading in this case? We can afford to experiment at the staging site, since we can simply re-read in the database dump if things go askew. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] 20:48, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I think all you need to do is put down the latest MediaWiki (or whatever version you want to run) and extensions that are being used, copy the current installation's LocalSettings.php into it, update some of the things in LocalSettings.php to work the new (incompatible) way, and then run update.php to convert the database. I know some of skin-type stuff has changed, and they changed the way you load extensions. There may also be some new variables, but I don't remember off the top of my head. I followed [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Adapt_your_LocalSettings.php this documentation] and had remarkably good results. If you could use some help, let me know. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:05, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: A quick reminder: an earlier review discovered that scripts/wikitrim.py wouldn't work with modern versions of MediaWiki due to a change in the table layout. Granted, we only run wikitrim when we need to reclaim disk space, so it won't be needed if and when we move to a server with more disk space. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:31, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::The current MediaWiki has a deleteOldRevisions.php maintenance script that purges all but the latest revision of a list of pages (or all pages). It could probably be adapted to keep a few more revisions. You then run purgeOldText.php (a wrapper for purgeRedundantText() in Maintenance.php) to get rid of of the orphaned text, which shouldn't need any change. If disk space is an issue, you could also look at turning on compression. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:53, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Oh, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Reduce_size_of_the_database I see]. Yes, $wgCompressRevisions and/or deleteOldRevisions.php would help address the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:40, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wind's Twelve Quarters 3rd printing ==<br />
<br />
Based on the printing history on the 4th printing copyright page [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?587854 here], I'd like to change the date on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298777 3rd printing] to 1977-09-00 and add a source note. Would that be a problem? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:57, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No, not at all. Perfect. Nice find! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:15, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Secret Texts ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?236593 Vengeance of Dragons], would you mind if I add the map on page [xii] to the titles? <br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?162031 Courage of Falcons], would you mind if I change the page count to xxiii+433 and add the map on page [xii] to the titles? <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:30, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No objection. Feel free. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:30, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Houndstooth ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282244; I added OL ID and also replaced the unstable Amazon cover with OL cover, which is a bit sharper. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:22, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adult Fantasy: Volume II ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15933; I replaced Amazon cover with Bookscans. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:36, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bloodsongs ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5049; Current cover is small and unstable; you may want to replace it with OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:26, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Did that. Thanks for the suggestion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:22, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Time Echo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251200; While adding the few Arcadia House SF books on Archive.org in edits (most of them they have are westerns, mysteries and nurse novels) this one came up because it has the publisher's name on the copyright page. I added the Archive link but you may want to replace the now unstable cover with another one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:07, 4 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Barker's In the Flesh ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5511919; I replaced the unstable "G" image with another Amazon image that's stable and looks better; OK? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:55, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Looks good, thanks. I accepted the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:11, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Orbit One ==<br />
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I have added the cover artist to both the Macfadden & Uni Book version (Jack Faragasso) the art can be found here www.liveauctioneers.com/item/66375301_jack-faragasso-american-b1929-orbit-time [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 13:29, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks. I accepted both of the related submissions. When you discover something like this and add the credit, you should record the source in the Pub Notes, not just in notes to the moderator (unless you happen to see it is on the publication itself). The source for any piece of information that is not on/in the publication should be documented in the notes. I took the information you gave and added it to the notes for each pub. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:18, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Baynes Illustrations for Tolkien ==<br />
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Hi MartyD<br />
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I'm holding two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475700 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475701 here]. These would replace the single INTERIORART record for our mutually verified ''Smith of Wooten Major & Farmer Giles of Ham'' withe separate INTERIORART records for the illustrations from the separate publications of the two stories. If I were the sole verifier, I would approve these, but I'm actually ambivalent about the change. Do you have an opinion on whether these edits should be approved or rejected? I'm leaving the same note on all the active verifiers page and will follow up if we have a disagreement on what to do. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 5 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, some family things had me out of town for a few days.... That's funny, I have a like pair of submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475729 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475730 here] for the same change to a different edition (where I am sole verifier) on hold because I wanted to go dig out the book and take a look at what's actually in it. I don't care much one way or the other, but I wanted to double-check that there are indeed separate illustrations for each story and that the two artists were each solely responsible for the respective art. If that is the case, the change is fine with me. If you have already checked, go for it. I will try to dig the books up sometime today. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I took a look, and it seems ok to me. I was thinking it's more one set of illustrations across the entire book, but you can see the styles are different. '''Smith of Wootton Major''' has fewer, large full-page illustrations, while '''Farmer Giles of Ham''' has many small illustrations embedded in the text. So I am good with splitting if that's what consensus wants to do. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:44, 10 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I'm going to go ahead and approve the edits. There is a [https://archive.org/details/smithofwoottonma1975tolk partial scan] of a 1978 standalone edition of SWM where the title page matches ours. There is also a [https://archive.org/details/farmergilesofham0000tolk full scan] of FGH included in a different collection in 1977 and with matching illustrations. While these are later printings, they all bear the same original copyright dates. These aren't definitive proof, but do suggest that the illustrations are the same as the original standalone publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hello Marty, re your {{P|284262|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:54, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Commented there. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Podkayne of Mars ==<br />
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I have an [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420964 earlier edition] than your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263664 Podkayne of Mars] with the same cover. Mine differs from the listed entry in having the author credit on the title page as "Robert Heinlein" rather than "Robert A. Heinlein". None of the PV's are available, but I wondered if your later printing suffered the same problem. How is the author listed on the title page for your copy? P.S. I've asked all three of the active PVs. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:19, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry for the delay. Needed to do a bit of excavation. Mine indeed has "Robert Heinlein" on the title page (as well as front and spine). The only "A." is on the copyright statement. I can only plead brain cramp. I will fix the record for mine. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:29, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I have fixed this up for the third printing. Based on what you said, I made the date on the variant be 1964-04-00. I assume you will be updating the record for the first printing, but if you'd rather I did it, let me know -- it takes a couple of submissions to switch out the title. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:46, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks for checking. I think I got mine done (self-moderated) correctly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:57, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Defining "Published" ==<br />
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A quick heads-up since you participated in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Defining_.22Published.22 this Rules and Standards discussion back in February]: a new version of the proposed Policy update [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#2023-04-30_version has been posted] and is available for review/discussion. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:30, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deathstone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38205; I was doing some Ken Eulo edits and you PV 2 of them back in '09; this one has an unstable "G" image, not a thing back then, so if you'd like to replace it with a modern stable image that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Element of Doubt ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5713109; I added to your entry in case you want to approve it before someone else sees it and decides to do the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:47, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Oh, nice find! Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:49, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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==SciFiwise magazine stories not merged==<br />
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Hello, you recently approved my entry for SciFiwise magazine May 2023. I just reviewed everything, and I found that every story in the magazine (they are all reprints) now has two separate entries, one entry for all its past publications, and one for its publication in SciFiwise magazine. An example of this is Kris Rusch's story "The Observer". Its SciFiwise publication page is here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3203792 and its other publications are all recorded here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916068<br />
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This is just one example, every story contained in the SciFiwise Magazine May 2023 isfdb record is like this.<br />
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My questions are (1) do these kind of things eventually get merged. and (2) Did I do anything wrong when I entered the data that caused this? I naively thought that if I was careful to match title, author, and date of publication then isfdb would figure out the story publication is a reprint that should be listed along with other printings. Was there some field I should have filled out to make this work, but somehow missed?<br />
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I ask because I am planning to start submitting the April, May, and June SciFiwise magazines, and those stories are also reprints. So if I did something wrong, I'd like to correct the error in future submisions.<br />
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Thanks in advance for any help you can provide! [[User:Petersdrang|Petersdrang]] ([[User talk:Petersdrang|talk]]) 12:43, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, poor moderatorship on my part. If a publication is created with all of the contents entered from scratch (which is fine and normal), after the submission is accepted, someone has to run Check for Duplicate Titles (available in the Editing Tools section of the navigation menu when viewing the publication record) and merge any of the newly-created content titles with existing title records for the same work. Since you can't do that until after acceptance, the accepting moderator will normally do it (and I will go do that now), although anyone can do it -- merging is a moderated action, just like most other edits, so you can't hurt anything by proposing a merge. To avoid the merge process, an alternative approach for a publication with not-original contents is to supply just any original contents on the initial submission and, after that is accepted, use Import Content (also in Editing Tools when viewing the publication) to bring in the existing title records. If you want to bring in only a couple of titles, or if you want to bring in a bunch of titles that come from only one or two publications, Import Content works well. But since you have to do one import submission per title or per other-publication, it is rather tedious if you have many titles from many other publications to bring in. Check-for-Duplicates after the fact and submitting the individual merges is easier in that case.<br />
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:Not relevant to your situation, one other option is Clone This Pub. If you have a new publication with a lot of contents similar to another publication's, you can clone it, which makes you a new publication that will include all of the other publication's contents. You can add more at submission time, and after the submission is accepted you can remove any contents that do not belong.<br />
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: So the TL;DR version of all of that: Sorry, I forgot to merge those titles, and I will go do it now. :) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:20, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::It should be all set now. I merged the duplicates and made "10^16 to 1" a variant of "10¹⁶ to 1". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:25, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::p.s. To answer your questions: You did nothing wrong. Unlike author credits, the software does not automatically match-and-merge titles, even if all of the information is the same. You should enter contents exactly as credited in the publication (except normalizing case/punctuation) per the help's instructions. So use the publication's exact title wording and exact author credit. For reprinted works, supply as much of the original publication date as you know, otherwise just leave it blank. The Check For Duplicate Titles operation will match things up whose title wording and author credits are the same. Those can be merged (and during that operation, you can choose which date to keep if they differ). For previously published items where the title wording is different or the author's name is credited differently, we have to make variant titles link titles with differing wording and/or author credit to each other. Depending on what information already exists, that variant process can be anything from easy to mildly complicated. In its simplest form, you find the canonical title, copy its ID or link (as you did above), then go to the newly added title and choose Make This Title a Variant. In there is an option to link it to an existing title, and you paste the ID/link in there and submit. If you run into one of those, just ask and someone will help you. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:41, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for all your help and the detailed explanation! [[User:Petersdrang|Petersdrang]] ([[User talk:Petersdrang|talk]]) 11:12, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saberhagen, Zelazny - The Black Throne ==<br />
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Hello Marty, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|36105|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you want to be notified every time I make those edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:30, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi. Thanks for the warning, but adding secondary IDs and/or verification is not something you normally need to notify PVers about. No harm in doing so, of course. You are welcome to add such IDs, or notes about secondary sources, to any of my PVed pubs without notifying me; just make sure the Note to the Moderator says what you did. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:58, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your considerate answer :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:07, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Castle Keeps ==<br />
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Germane to this edition you PV'd: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244357 I submitted note to moderator: Submitting pub note additions (Berkley Pub. Corp., assumed 1st ed., number on spine), & Goodreads external ID. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 03:38, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Taper ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?701440; I have a question about this. My edit adding the price sat around for more than 2 months for some reason until you approved it today; when I added it the guy who wrote the long note hadn't PV the book yet and didn't do so until nearly 2 weeks later. So why exactly wasn't my edit approved back when I made it? It wasn't the usual "you have to check with PV first before making any changes" thing mods always complain about because it wasn't verified yet. So now my note about where I found the price is gone and it looks like PV is solely responsible for adding the price. I suppose it makes more sense since he has an actual copy of the book with the price in it but still. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi. Sorry, I don't know why it would have been sitting there for so long, as the edits were straightforward and there was no PV at the time. As for the note about the price, the notes are meant to document information whose source is not the book itself, not who contributed the information. Since the PV's edit added the price in that later submission, I assume it is on the book itself. If I had left the note you added, it would have implied (at least, to me) that the price came from somewhere other than that book. So I removed it to avoid potential confusion about its source. I did not mean to minimize your research effort or contributions to the record. If you look at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708441 Edit History], that your submission provided price, a note regarding provenance, and external ID(s) is documented and preserved. If you think your note should still appear in the record's notes, I'd be happy to restore it with a slightly modified label (e.g., "Price corroborated by:" instead of "Price from:"). Let me know. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:31, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It's OK, no need to add anything. He has a copy of the actual book so that's more trustworthy than a price from a newspaper, although he oddly mentioned price info twice in the same note. I'm just trying to get all or at least most of my (currently) 1,150 edits to be approved (or at least rejected with good reason) before 10/1 when I resume editing because I plan to add as many horror-related edits as I can during the month of October before hopefully giving up editing on a regular basis. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:01, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blaedud ==<br />
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I think you've put message to Chavey in the middle instead of at the end of their very long list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:No good deed goes unpunished. Thanks, moved it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:46, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Can I ask if you clicked on my link before you moved it because it was a completely wrong one from another book that I was working on at the same time. Was it Blaedud or was it Stepford when (if) you looked at it? It bothers me that I made such a careless mistake but I'm sure you knew what I was really referring to because I put the right title in the title bar above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, the link was wrong when I looked at it, but I knew what you were talking about. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:48, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow of the Mutant Master ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=shadow-of-the-mutant&sort=-addeddate; That copy has 152 pages. What does your PV copy say? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:The disconnect is that these are recorded as magazine issues, rather than as books. The page count rule for magazines is different (see the first bullet of [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages|Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]]; also the instructions in the next bullet about handling cross-issue numbering). For those, the page count is all of the pages, including the covers. So while the last numbered page is 152, the total page count is 164, which matches the scan (and my copy). I don't know why these are recorded as magazines. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:04, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Empire by Orson Scott Card ==<br />
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Added an image for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219865 your verified pub]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:05, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Harry Harrison / Make Room(!) Make Room(!) ==<br />
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I'm looking at my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283246 Make Room Make Room] and completely agree with the final pub note regarding the punctuation of the title. It seems to me that the title of this pub should be changed to remove the exclamation marks and then varianted. Do you agree? If so, I'm happy to submit the edits. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi. I, along with whoever was the accepting moderator at the time, was happy to avoid making the variant, since the canonical form was also used in many places on the publication. If you want to set up a variant, though, it's ok with me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:52, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I'll proceed with the title change and varianting. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:54, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dixie Ray ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?77301; I stumbled on the fact that a 40-something printing of Fahrenheit 451 has art by Whistlin' Dixie, not Whistl'n, and since the 2 PV printings are by Don Erikson who dropped out of here years ago I changed it. He also PV 1 printing of October Country and someone from the old days named CoachPaul PV another but you are the only active PV. So if you can check and fix OC's artist to Whistlin' if that's what yours says. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hey, I could actually find my copy of OC! It's very clearly "Cover art by Whistl'n Dixie", though. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:58, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Uh oh, that's a problem because now it will need to be decided which fake name should be the parent. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:08, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Whichever has the most entries, unless we know who used it as a pseudonym. Then we can variant each of the pseudonyms to the actual name. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:03, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Another problem because after my fix is approved each name will have 1 entry. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:18, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Then I'd pick the oldest. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:33, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I suspect "Whistl'n" is correct. I found this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/364260669280 . Era corresponds, and the OC cover, at least, does look like the same style. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:38, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::p.s. I also found https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/products/fahrenheit-451-ray-bradbury-1977-del-rey-books-paperback which shows "Whistl'n Dixie" for the 45th printing of the Ballantine ''Farenheit 451''. I've held the title-level change and also added a note to the record for the 45th edition (I will add a note to the record for my OC copy as well). When I get a chance, I will unmerge and do varianting.... If we can find copyright page pictures of Farenheit 451 editions, that would be helpful. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:49, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::::In case anyone cares, I was able to find more copyright page pictures on eBay, so we have this evidence:<br />
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| 0-345-25027-3[-150] || 40th || 1975-12-00 || no credit at all<br />
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| 0-345-25027-3[-150] || 43rd || 1976-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 44th || 1977-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 45th || 1977-11-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
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| 0-345-27431-8 || 46th || 1978-08-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
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::::::::I think I have everything fixed up. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?537601 this]. I made records for additional printings and documented the credit in each. Let me know if anything looks wrong. I also started [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Secondary_source_artist_credit_in_face_of_credit_change_over_time|this discussion]] about how to handle the credit for the 40th printing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:22, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== 291 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5901171; I replaced unstable image with one that's slightly bigger and less ragged at the corners. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Got it, thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:38, 27 February 2024 (EST)</div>
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== PVR ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rageot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brad Steiger Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, titles are dated per first appearance of that form of the title. Updates made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon WEBP Images ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=w%2Fwebp&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; After I replaced one a few days ago and another one today I did a search and it seems most (all?) of the images with the weird URL Amazon switched to for a while are now broken. Is there a batch fix or will they have to be changed one by one (there's several hundred)? Most are not PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I'm sure you've already got something that could be repurposed for this, but if not:<br />
:: https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py<br />
:: You would need to update get_bad_pub_records() to pick up the affected records - plus any additional check to not pick up verified pubs - and the regex to fix them in the first line of generate_pubdate_imagefix()<br />
:: Then 'uncomment' the PUB_COVER_EDITS code in the __main__ section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:01, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: There have been quite a few scripts to mass change URL structures over the years, e.g. [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/scripts/amazon_urls_to_https.py this one from 2022]. I plan to use it as a template later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_image&O_1=contains&TERM_1=m.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FW&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. I added an image to Maxwell Alexander Drake's record and of the 4 images on his Amazon page (I think at least some people must be aware by now that only certain regional Amazon pages display all author images at the moment in the scroll bar or whatever it's called, Amazon.com and many others just show the main photo, and they seem to be getting fewer and fewer as time goes by; I find Amazon Canada and Amazon France are still good) 2 are WEBP and 2 are regular; it figures that the one I had to use wasn't as good as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome -- WEBP images converted ===<br />
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All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== St. Martin's The Light Fantastic ==<br />
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https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Untouched by Human Hands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: There is a price shown here: www.ebay.com/itm/115568098201 [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:07, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Faerie Tale ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added the BOMC edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?978095 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alan Burns ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Connecting books in an unnamed series ==<br />
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I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42997 Baba Yaga Universe]. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: This is only two books {{t|3244057|Domens dag}} and {{t|978127|Råttorna}}. Calling it a universe feels a bit like giving it more credit than it is due =) /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34751 this series]. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: If the two novels do share the same main character, there'd be the additional possibility to name the series after it, like it was done [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19161 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the ''title of the first novel'' suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is {{t|3244058|Råttorna}}. /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pied Pipers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Geta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Letter From A Teddy Bear On ? ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Varianted. Most common version used as parent per standard. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:26, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Who Is Lewis Pinder? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request to add German fantastic literature price: ==<br />
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Hi all, <br />
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after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:<br />
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Translation: The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.<br />
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Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html<br />
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Forgot to sign it: [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I do think it should be perfectly eligible. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I agree that it appears to be eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?115 new Award Type] and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pro Se ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyrano and Jules Verne ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from ''From the Earth to the Moon'' by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bellows ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bizarrocast ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_webpage&O_1=contains&TERM_1=bizarrocast&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_copyright&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book storage and moving boxes ==<br />
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When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodlust and Fangers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark Powers - two different people ==<br />
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Currently for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22424 this author] we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics. I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: [https://www.theshawagency.co.uk/mark-powers here] is the agency page for the former, and [https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Mark-Powers/202304451 here] a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.<br />
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Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. [https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Powers This] is a page showing a pic of the ''Dresden'' comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: The Dresden Files comics should now all be switched over to the new author record. Thanks for confirmation! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:59, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twitter changed to "X/Twitter" ==<br />
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I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Darrell Awards ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Frontier Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The German translation states Boris Vallejo as cover artist on the copyright page. But, i wouldn't take this as given for every other release without another source to verify. At the time the german publishers weren't the reliablest for infos on the copyright pages, they had sometimes wrong infos (copied from previous pubs, but not correct). I've stumbled over a few wrong ones over time. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 12:31, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFWA Bulletin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book of Ballads Dates ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lecrivain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ormazoids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Patterns of the Fantastic II ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page date is on a sticker that has been applied after printing. That sticker also has "Borgo Press". So it could be Borgo was selling copies for Starmont House or they made a photographic reprint and stuck their sticker on it. May 1985 is the date Locus1 has so that might have been the source for the {{P|287993|ISFDB record}}. Rtrace has secondary verified it with Clute/Nicholls and Reginald3. I will ping him to see if either of those might has some info to shed light on the situation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Neither {{Reginald3}} nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo. The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. {{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the 1984 date. {{P|320234|BP 300}} has 1985. This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates. Also from ''BP 300'', Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991. If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV). With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont. Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock. Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I made the following changes:<br />
:::*Updated the Starmont House editions with the stated publication date as per ISFDB standards. I also included a pub note on the secondary source dates and a statement that it was likely not out until after the stated publication date.<br />
:::*Cloned an undated Borgo Press edition with a statement regarding Borgo Press buying Starmont House backstock & the uncertainty of the Roman numeral date's meaning.<br />
:::*Added the contents.<br />
:::--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ASIN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441; Clicking US ASIN leads to a different magazine; I don't know if that happens often or not but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There are two ISFDB records sharing the same ASIN, "B0CDQWPL1Z":<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441 Dark Hall Press Cosmic Horror Anthology]<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966438 Savage Realms Monthly, August 2023]<br />
: Their respective Edit Histories show that the 2 pubs were manually entered by the same editor on the same day. Most likely it was a copy-and-paste error. I have corrected the erroneous ASIN; thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:17, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Salt Is Not For Slaves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=salt+is&type=All+Titles; I can't find a copy of 1931 Ghost Stories issue where it says E. W. supposedly, can confirm it's G. W. in Book of the Living Dead (added link in a PENDING edit from OL-only no-search copy). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rustin Parr ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Khaw & Kadrey's ''The Dead Take the A Train'' ==<br />
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Re. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3070028 this title], I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Would it not be better to make [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date the pub date 8888-00-00], rather than deleting the record? That way the ISBN is still in the database in case anyone else tries adding it in future? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:36, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, that sounds sensible. Done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ayaz daryl nielsen ==<br />
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Are there any objections to using lowercase for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162023 Ayaz Daryl Nielsen]. I have never seen him credited any other way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hearing no objections, the change has been made. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:31, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eichner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=m.+eichner&type=Name; While adding links and other stuff to E. Everett Evans books I noticed Eichner shows up twice as an illustrator and I assume those are the same people which would mean a variant is needed. Also, Eichner's birth date is off by 10 days from Wikipedia and most sites seem to agree it's 9, not 19, so the day may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disabling the Synopsis field for Variant Titles ==<br />
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Back in April 2022 "Make This a Variant Title" [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 was modified] to move VTs' Synopsis data to their parent titles. A new cleanup report, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 Variant Title with Synopsis Data], was created at the same time.<br />
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The original plan was to:<br />
* clean up any titles found by this cleanup report (1,600+ at the time)<br />
* confirm that there were no scenarios where a VT needed to have Synopsis data<br />
* change "Edit Title" to disable the Synopsis field for VTs<br />
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The first step was never completed, so the process stalled. I have now processed/corrected around 50 (out of 1546) affected title record. It is as we suspected. Most just needed their synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles. Some needed two synopsis entries reconciled. A few were in error, e.g. there was Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa. A few Synopsis values were using a language other than English, which is explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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Based on the above, I think it's safe to change the software to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. If there are no objections, I plan to work on it over the next few days. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Will this block adding a synopsis to a serial title? In at least [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 this case], each of the serial titles is a separate novella that could justifiably have its own synopsis. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:57, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right, the proposed change would prevent Synopsis values from being added to SERIAL titles. I don't think it should cause significant issues since semi-standalone SERIALs are rare and could be handled the way we handled {{A|George Lowther}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16699 ''Superman'']:<br />
::* Chapters 1-2 describe Superman's planet of origin, Krypton. Chapters 3-5 deal with Clark Kent's childhood with his adoptive parents. In chapter 6, Clark goes to Metropolis and gets a job with the Daily Planet. The remaining eleven chapters deal with a mystery involving ghost ships and Nazi spies.<br />
:: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::That's what I thought. Hmmm. I don't think that would work in the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 Last Stand] since each of the installments (Episodes) are approx. 20,000 word novellas which have differing focus characters within the pseudo-TV series framework and the summaries should be more than a couple of words each. I'm not convinced it is truly a serial anyway. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod Anniemod] set this up initially and I've been following suit since. I could just as well see this as a series called <i>Last Stand</i> with the individual novellas as normal Chapbooks/Shortfiction titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:52, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: If they have different focus characters and different plots requiring different synopses, then I agree that they sound more like linked stories than a serialization. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I'm the only PV for these. On deeper examination, I believe they are linked stories, not serials. I'm going toss a note to Annie and then convert these from serials to shortfiction, unvarianting the titles, and grouping them under the series <i>Last Stand</i>. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome: Software has been changed ===<br />
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Hearing no further objections, I have changed "Edit Title" to disallow entering Synopsis data for variant titles. [[Template:TitleFields:Synopsis]] has been updated as follows:<br />
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* A synopsis can only be entered for canonical titles. The software won't let you add a Synopsis to a variant title.<br />
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If you come across any issues, please let me know. All that's left is cleaning up the remaining 1400+ VTs which still have Synopsis values. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There was a minor bug in the associated cleanup report. It was causing three valid title records to appear on the report. The bug has been fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nightly cleanup reports fixed ==<br />
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It turns out that the recent addition of a Notes template with an apostrophe in its name -- [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields "Achevé D’Imprimer"] -- broke the automated nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. The software was fixed a few minutes ago and everything should be back to normal tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New superseries for Glynn Stewart's Castle Federation ==<br />
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Would anyone object if I create a new superseries named <i>Castle Federation Universe</i> which would have the existing series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42767 Castle Federation] as subseries #1 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?65374 Dakotan Confederacy] as subseries #2? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:14, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No objection -- book covers and Goodreads reviews confirm it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:09, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Julie Novakova/Nováková ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?195102 The page for this author] has "Novakova" in her name, and states '''uses accentless spelling of her surname for foreign publications.'''. However I just checked [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ship-Whisperer-Julie-Nováková-ebook/dp/B08F3S7J9L/ her collection] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosetta-Archive-Notable-Speculative-Translation/dp/195106402X an anthology she contributed a story to], and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Beyond-Us-Original-Anthology-ebook/dp/B0BNZ7M4F7/ an anthology she co-edited], and all use "Nováková". I assume these should at least be a variant, but I don't have the privileges to see who might have added that author note, in case they can shed any further light?<br />
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(Also, "foreign publications" seems a bit Anglocentric, especially in conjunction with a Czech author?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts of the Chit-Chat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869953; Contents #1, #4-7, #9, and #12 are not original; they're much older stories with at least one (Tatham) being under a different name (H. F. W.) and title ("Phonograph Bewitched"), plus a couple of authors that are not already on ISFDB (although J. K. Stephens may be James Stephens who is). If anyone owns this or knows where to get a look at the full text some fixing/merging is needed after determining what names and titles are actually used in it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best of John W. Campbell ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1212025; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link to '76 US PB and another edit adding month to intro but the afterword has a variant with neither having a month. PB doesn't actually say afterword on that essay's title page so this may be a false variant that needs merging into one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 4 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best New Romantic Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29658; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827168; Re: this series, I don't think #3 was ever published like a lot of announced Juno books. There's almost no info online, nobody ever entered contents, etc. I think it should get an unpublished date here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sanjulian ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914; Should this be changed to Sarjulian and made a variant of his parent name? Because it's supposed to be what's on the page, not what PV thinks it should be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dutch Plot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28987; '79 Plot doesn't belong with the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Very Special People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828417; A copy of the rare 1977 horror novel The Soul of Anna Klane was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year and I just came across it, it's a second impression so I cloned it, uploader messed up because the jacket is from an awesome book about circus people (or freaks as they were called back in the day) that anyone my age probably remembers reading or at least looking at the photos. Would anything by the author, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL529624A/Frederick_Drimmer, qualify to be on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is "Frederick Drimmer" the author of ''The Soul of Anna Klane''? The covers say the author is Terrel Miedaner. The only one from the list of Frederick Drimmer's works that looks like it might be includable is ''The Body Snatchers'', but it depends on what it's about. All his other works seem to be nonfiction about non-genre topics. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Other works by Miedaner that might be includable include [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181242.The_Mind_s_I ''The Mind's I'', in which he has a story or essay (not sure which as the book contains both). It has a work by Stanislaw Lem in it. I couldn't find anything else by Miedaner that could be included. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Miedaner wrote the novel, Drimmer wrote dozens of non-fiction books including some about genre-related topics that I thought might qualify. Maybe someone will find one or two with something in them that can be entered. The novel seems to have had a lot of other editions not on ISFDB including some foreign editions with weird covers so maybe someone fluent could enter those. Also, the Mind's I book you mentioned is on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=terrel+miedaner, in case you think that qualifies to be entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gary Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87741; The author of None Dare... died long before the other works on his page were written so obviously by a different Allen; he has his own Wikipedia. However, I don't think there should be a variant but rather the novel removed because it's not really a novel, it's an anti-Communist diatribe by a member of the John Birch Society that's been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Book has been deleted. Clear nongenre, nonfiction by a different author than the speculative fiction Gary Allen. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL103175W/Twice_twenty-two?edition=key%3A/books/OL26558953M; 2 copies, one searchable and one not, searchable one has a gutter code on p. 405, "03 N", which is not in the book club edition's note about gutter codes on ISFDB. Non-searchable one has no code. So if anyone knows how to identify dates from the code they may want to enter at least the copy that has a code. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Schrecksekunden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404; Does anyone recognize the cover I added? I'm almost sure I've seen it before on an English-language book; if so, artist is likely on ISFDB for that and can be added to this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:https://www.michaelwhelan.com/galleries/emergence/ and that conveniently also has [https://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/fromtheheartofdarkness-cover.jpg From the Heart of Darkness cover]. Looks like we have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1727716 this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:05, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The PV of the affected pub is active and a moderator, so I pointed him at this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:10, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::The cover of [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404 Schrecksekunden]] is correct. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Submission approved. Cover credit added to Schrecksekunden with a publication note specifying the secondary source & new cover art record varianted to the prior one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:19, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aiken's World Well Lost ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915733; I don't think Joan published a book with this title but rather it was her brother, John, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135, so Joan's record for that book should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:24, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pan Mystery Walk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556649; Someone just uploaded a foreign cover for Baal, one of Robert R. McCammon's novels, which led me to do some edits for other of his books (there's a lot left to do even though I've done many previously). There's a $75 Subterranean Press signed limited edition of The Night Boat which has been on Archive.org since April of last year which I somehow never noticed before so I added a link to that but the Pan edition of Mystery Walk only has a 2nd printing uploaded; the question is whether the 1st printing also says Stephen Crisp on back cover instead of Steve Crisp, which is what's on ISFDB. So if anyone owns a 1st printing (I don't see anything online except 1 eBay auction where they took photos of everything EXCEPT the copyright page) and it says Stephen then that needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== International Polygonics Edition of Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20274; I've made a few edits for this before but noticed today a copy was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year so I added a link, replaced postage stamp-sized Amazon cover with their cover, and added LCCN (their site screwed up entering the title). However, the copy has a big thick sticker obscuring the cover art credit on the back; it seems to start with Kev so probably Kevin; no other books on ISFDB from the publisher have that in the artist's name so if anyone has/can find a copy can you let us know what the artist's name is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brennan's Riddle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308567; Been doing some Joseph Payne Brennan edits and this one is odd; there's no content. Is it possible that it contains his 1964 poem "Riddle"? It's likely not a collection but a chapbook or something similar. I added cover image and FantLab ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dedications in Poems ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5817418 this submission] to alter the title of {{T|1337626|this poem}} based on [https://www.sfpoetry.com/sl/edchoice/34.2-2.html this web page] from the magazine's web site. My question is whether "(For Edgar Allen Poe)" should be considered as part of the subtitle, or whether that is a separate dedication that should not be included in the title field. If we go with the latter, it could be added to the notes. My recollection is that poems occasionally have "For XXX" listed in a smaller typeface under the title though usually without the parenthesis. I don't think we usually include these as part of the title field. How do other folks feel about this. If there is disagreement, we can move this to the rules and standards page. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Personally, I wouldn't include this as part of the title. It is somewhat similar to the way some sources treat additional information, for example for series - like in The Death of a Hero (Star Wars), and it ''is'' a dedication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Dedications are a common occurrence, I never include them in the title. If someone wishes to put then in the note section, I would not object. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:25, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Hearing no differing opinions, I will reject the edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:08, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pocket Pulse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269828; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251391; Should these very old entries by the late PV be changed to Pocket Pulse as the publisher so they merge with all the many others on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Martha Wells / All Systems Red - Code P1 ==<br />
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Some copies of the original tp of All Systems Red have a code "P1" underneath "First Edition: May 2017" on the copyright page. Other copies have no code; the corresponding area is blank. Does anyone know the meaning of this code? Some online booksellers says this code denotes the first printing (or first state of first printing) but this seems to be their opinion. Is there any independent, documented, verifiable evidence of its meaning? Secondly, how should this be recorded in the ISFDb? We have two records: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723225 PoD] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608522 non-PoD]. Should I create a new pub record for the P1 code version or should I just add a pub note to an existing record stating that some copies have this code? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rich Grote ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176753; I added, in a PENDING edit, archived site (online now is dead) richgrote.com and Behance page and wickedlocal.com article which revealed he's from New Jersey. There is a Rick Grote credit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112933, but his bio at various sites online says he started in 1976 while this book is from 1975. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?123700, where one actually says Grote in the book while the other was not named but editor entered it from cover signature. So if anyone can say for sure that Grote or Rick Grote are Rich Grote then those can be made variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ash of Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102752; I was doing a bunch of James Sallis edits recently (links to several short stories, archived link to Shores Beneath, adding a massive collection from 2007 titled Potato Tree) and noticed this book about Delany. I don't do many edits for Delany because I can't stand him personally but I'm sure many people here like his work so I'll mention that the copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=sallis+delany, the copy on Amazon.com and the copy on Google Books all have the same ISBN on back cover with the barcode saying 53950 which means price is $39.50 but ISFDB says $42.50. Also, ISBN is for HC supposedly but archived copy looks like TP to me. So if anyone wants to add a link to the copy and fill in anything else or change anything, please feel free. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Scheduled server maintenance - 3pm 2023-12-15 ==<br />
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== Brian Keith Evenson = Brian Evenson? ==<br />
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Any thoughts/objections on making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224599 Brian Keith Evenson] a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?6382 Brian Evenson]? The former has just 2 pieces of short fiction in 1986 and 1989 (both with difficult to Google titles), which slightly predates the earliest work of the latter. Howevever (a) "K." is listed as the middle initial of the legal name of "Brian Evenson" (with [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/evenson_brian SFE] saying this it is "Keith"), and (b) the 1989 story was published by Brigham University, which Wikipedia says is where Brian Evenson got a degree and was later employed. Evenson's site doesn't have any detailed bibliography that might help clarify those two early stories are his. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The source given for {{P|654878|The Leading Edge, September 1989}} is FictionMags Index. Checking them, they have these as the same author. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:50, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks - I've now set up variants/alternates for the author and two title records. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Valiant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982255; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836070; Added a few archived links to some of Roland Green's Conan novels, went backwards so first novel was looked at last, it already had a link added by someone last year, as can be seen in my edit above the cover is not the same as the later editions, any Ken W. Kelly experts who know his style can say if both are his work in which case art needs unmerging or if Tor mistakenly carried over Kelly's credit for the later art by someone else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== F. Piatti ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=co+piatti&type=Name; 2 credits for each, one should be parent assuming credits are correct; maybe they're all really spelled the same and someone just entered one or the other name wrong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:38, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for this find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:36, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Abridged editions? ==<br />
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Do we include abridged editions? I know we don't include dramatizations but the help doesn't seem to say anything about abridged editions. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:02, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure we do! It's possible to add them to the general title (and add a note to the publication), or if the abridgement does alter the story in a major way to add it as a variant, or if another hand is credited for the abridgement to add it as a stand-alone title, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2918952 this title]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:44, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification. I've started to run across a number of audio items that have abridged versions but haven't been sure if I should add them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I have been told that abridgements are certainly accepted, but that they are never added as variants. How to deal properly with them was incorporated when dealing with translations, which are made variants but the difference in language makes it possible to distinguish them from name/author variations. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:39, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: That's certainly true for audio versions/readings: here it is quite a regular case that they are abridged, so they should just be added with a note under the respective title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:33, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Abridged editions are included. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_.22Portions_of_this_story_originally_appeared_in....22.3F FAQ says]:<br />
* If an individual story is rewritten or revised, then we create a Variant Title for it and add the nature of the changes, e.g. "expanded", "abridged" or "restored", in the Notes section. Please note that these conventions are likely to change in the foreseeable future as we beef up our software in this area. <br />
: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Feature:90155_Add_an_optional_%22nature_of_the_relationship%22_field_to_the_Make_Variant_screen original Feature Request to change the software] to display "relationships" between titles was created back in 2008, but it hasn't been implemented yet.<br />
: Of course, when dealing with drastically changed titles, e.g. novels reduced to excerpts or short stories expanded to novel length, we create separate title records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: To the original question - abridgements are in. I am questioning the varianting advice. I also once noted the lack of documentation on abridgements specifically. The original place I was told not to variant abridgements was in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive46#Abridgements this] conversation. The argument was that variants were for title / author variations or translations as a special case due to limitations in the software. Only one moderator said so, but no one contradicted, so have been going by this since. There were [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_25#variant_or_independent_work.3F earlier] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements later] discussions (I doubt I found them all) with varying degrees of agreement but no resolution. <br />
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:: And the FAQ reference above was answering a question about portions of a story appearing earlier in a novel that is expanded or created from a series of shorter stories. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant HELP on variants] says at the beginning that they are only for title and author variations, but later talks about how to deal with translations (with a link to how-to details). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant]] says:<br />
:::* Two title records are variants if they are in fact the same story, but have either a different title, or use alternate names for the author.<br />
::: Translations are effectively "the same story" for our purposes, but I agree that it's not made clear in the statement above. We should probably update it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:16, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It sounds like abridgements should not be varianted. But there's no help on how to document the relationship to the original - be it in the Notes or a linking template. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I'm following this closely since most audio abridgements are significantly shorter than their unabridged brethren (should they exist for comparison). Often 2-3 hours compared to 8+ hours. The source novel is often in the 270 page range. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I would expect a version that contains only 25-33% of the original material to be considered a separate derivative work. Kind of like {{A|E. Nesbit}}'s juvenile adaptations of {{A|William Shakespeare}}'s works are listed as separate works with the word "(abridged)" appended to the end of the title: "A Midsummer Night's Dream (abridged)", "The Tempest (abridged)", etc. Except, of course, there would be no additional co-author. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:52, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::To me, this makes the most sense. If it's significantly abridged, it should be a separate work (for example, I think the abridged audio releases of ''{{T|7577|The Courtship of Princess Leia}}'' should be separate as they are only 3 hours as opposed to the {{P|983542|unabridged version}} of 14 hours (finally being released in January)). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::Based on this guidance, the title above has now been split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7577 The Courtship of Princess Leia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3258106 The Courtship of Princess Leia (abridged)]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:02, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Présence du Futur ==<br />
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Ex-editor Hauck entered some entries in this endless French series but only basic info. I came across a manual which I added as a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837420, although I have no idea if it contains anything useful, then I entered several missing bits of info for Gravité à la manque from Open Library, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837421. I then came across a title with an actual copy, but rather than stumble my way through entering info from books in a language I'm not fluent in I'm just going to list this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22une+collection+d%27inedits+au+format+de+poche%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22inlibrary%22, so if anyone can find anything useful to enter from those they can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:34, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crash Override ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?659223; I added archived link and a few other things in a PENDING edit to the other book by the publisher, the novel The Secret. Publisher actually has no space between the 2 words in its name so I fixed that and then was going to check online to see if it was the same for this much later book but realized this probably shouldn't be here since it's not by a known author and it really has nothing to do with genre. So should it be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I was advised some time ago and it is my understanding that any works shortlisted for a genre award (in this case a Hugo) are considered in. This exception is called out in [[ISFDB:Policy|our policy page]] but only for online publications. Perhaps we should be more specific. Aside from that, my recollection from reading the book in 2018 is that it is chiefly about the Gamergate event which is tightly coupled with the Sad/Rabid Puppies movements. I don't recall how much Quinn went into the latter, but if at all, it would certainly qualify this as a book about speculative fiction. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:51, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK. It's PublicAffairs in Amazon look inside so I'm going to fix that so both books on ISFDB will be by the same publisher. EDIT: There's 1 archived copy which was uploaded in May, 2021 but wasn't added until January, 2023 (?!?) so I also added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Napoleon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?31091; I added archived links to Minstrel Boy and ...Overhead and fixed formats to TP for both; publisher was also changed to Napoleon Publishing for those 2 and ...Yard because Napoleon & Company, as explained on the copyright pages, is a parent company and Publishing is the actual imprint. The problem now is the 2 e-book Gargoyle editions don't actually show a copyright page on Amazon and, more importantly, Time Thief's beautiful Napoleon cover is nowhere online and ISBN defaults to the Dundurn Press edition's less beautiful cover. Looking at Dundurn's Wiki page they bought Napoleon in 2011 which makes sense because Blogspot page linked in Napoleon's record on ISFDB ends in February, 2011, a month before their Time Thief edition was supposedly published. So maybe someone can say whether Time Thief Napoleon edition should get an unpublished date of 8888-88-88 and whether that and the 2 e-books should have their publisher changed to Napoleon Publishing just to keep everything together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== John Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186482; Likely 3 or 4 different authors on the same page in case anyone can find info to separate some or all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I split the entry into three. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stateham Banners ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3575; Archived copy uploaded in 2020 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; note about frontispiece is wrong as it is credited on copyright page (an editor of Canadian edition noted this correctly) so maybe one of the active editors (Willem, GlennMcG, Spacecow) can fix note so it says the same as Canadian edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Speedy In OZ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366452; Oz fans, a request. I saw a lot of Oz edits in the queue recently and discovered many of R.P. Thompson's books were reprinted in PB in the eighties. I added archived links to the 4 I found but Speedy has a missing cover and most online ones are of the weird $19.00 reprint that nobody seems to know much about; the archived cover sucks because it has 3 huge stickers on the bottom obscuring things and a cover on Biblio.com is shot too far away, has a Barbed Wire Books business card in front of it, and has some plastic holder or something at the bottom of it. So if anyone can find a clear and clean cover, can you upload it? Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Dread ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22179; Year and subtitle (Allen, seen on sfpoetry.com) different than other ISFDB record; poem here, https://poetrynz.net/pdf/PNZ48.pdf, says Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:16, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Knock on Wood ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-04070-7+&type=ISBN; Cover says Vornholt; why is Friesner credited for the same book? EDIT: Also Witchopoly, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-02806-5&type=ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted the two Friesner ones. All reliable sources show these two ISBNs as by Vornholt which matches cover. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Yesterday We Saw Mermaids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55736; Cover is the Tor edition but it's on the Wiki so the Pan cover would need uploading to replace it; problem is I can't find it because all eBay copies are Tor. So either it's rare or vaporware. Help, if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:00, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Finding forgotten horror story ==<br />
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Hi, all. I hope you all had merry Christmases (if you celebrate). <br />
Someone on Goodreads is trying to find a horror story he or she read in the '70s about gentle hand-shaped creatures who live in a forest near a town or village. But then several people are found strangled with hand-shaped bruises on their throats. (Spoilers ahead.) <br />
The creatures are rounded up and killed. But the killings continue, and the townspeople realize the creatures were all shaped like left hands, while the bruises on throats are from a right hand (or vice versa).<br />
Does this story sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 01:40, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sidgwick & Jackson Prices ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5843103; I was looking at the Science Fiction Specials (added a couple more links because a few of them were hiding on Archive.org using a title of one of the contents instead of the overall title) and also am adding links and other stuff to books from the publisher by the authors in the Specials. I've noticed their prices on the front flaps are a mess with some being old pre-decimal prices and others being stickered with decimal prices. In this Asimov case you can see a pre-decimal price under the sticker that looks like 35s to me but I can't find any copies online that show the flap. So if anyone knows what the original price was, thinks it should be cloned, etc. let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Silverberg and Neverness ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#The_Time_Travelers; Linking this here in case anyone else might own a copy of the Donald I. Fine edition of Neverness. Also, should we make the Silverberg thing a pub. series? There's got to be more than 2 books in it; Archive.org search isn't the most accurate and there could be books not archived that are part of the series. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have the Donald I. Fine 1st hc edition of Zindell's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23681 Neverness]. It does state "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" on rear flap and also "RS/SF" on spine of dj. I have also discovered that Sturgeon's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15623 Godbody] has the same features. Looks like a pub series to me, even if it didn't last very long and didn't have many books in it. I have Godbody so I will PV both these pubs and edit them to create and add the pub series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:40, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Great, thanks! A search for the exact series title on Google only finds the ISFDB record for Godbody and my message on the SFJuggler board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Where the Southern Cross the Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326635; Does anyone own the August 2002 issue of Locus? I added cover/interior artist and intro by S. R. Tem but I can't find the titles of the stories anywhere, 3 supposedly, and it was reviewed by Edward Bryant in that issue. Maybe he mentioned them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Ah ha, I recently added a link to 40+ years' worth of microfilmed Locus issues on Archive.org and vaguely remembered that I had asked about an issue of Locus recently. I checked that 2002 issue and yes, all 3 stories were mentioned. The one original, "Black Angel Blues", doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere at all online (until now). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:46, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Siergiejew ==<br />
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https://readfrom.net/michael-aronovitz/364512-the_voices_in_our_heads.html; It's Marius Siergiejew in that link, no z in first name but also no "Noistromo", I checked Unlikely Entomology issue and it is Mariusz, so both should be variants assuming all the ones under Marius "Noistromo" actually have the correct name entered; now that the link above shows there's at least one with just Marius maybe that should become the parent after name is fixed and the nickname should be the variant. I added a Blogspot link to the Marius record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:47, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Alternate name created. I would not consider that site reliable enough to change a verified pub. Unfortunately, the verifier is no longer active so we will have to wait for someone else to re-verify it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Webs of Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?54122; Does anyone think the replacement cover I used is better than the old one? Mod didn't agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the overall quality (= colour likeness) seemed better with the amazon source, ''and'' I do assume that this source will be more stable than Fantlab (and presumably that's the line of thought Chris_J also tended towards). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:26, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::I guess; anyway, my replacement cover will still be in edit history so that's something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:53, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fanni S. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fanni+s&type=Name; Probably the same person, maybe entries under the first name really don't have the special "u" or maybe editors didn't enter it that way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The three records with Suto all had Amazon Samples available which showed they should have been Sütő. Only one was verified and that verifier is showing as not active in several years. I made the changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora Effect ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45062; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit, do any of the active PV think an August month should be added to dates as notes say? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Tales of Action and Adventure ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5846199; Cover question about this '67 10th printing I just added. It says Richard Powers on copyright page but Robert Shore on back, Powers credit possibly left over from earlier printings? Should Shore be entered instead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:My copy doesn't have the credit to Shore on the back, but the cover is different than the Powers original. Seems like we should have a Richard Powers (in error) created as an alias to Shore. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 18:43, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Through the Budgerigar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925198; While adding LCCN to Jones novel Transplant I noticed this book was added not long ago and while SFE mentions it and even a cover artist there seems to be no evidence of a cover online; can anyone find one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== To the Sound of Freedom II==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#To_the_Sound_of_Freedom; I came across this record again today; should it get an all-8's date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HG Wells and His Critics ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=wells-and-his-critics; Anyone know a way to tell which of the 3 publishers these copies are from so I can add links? The USA one has no record; maybe it was never actually published by them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:38, 5 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Top Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=pachter-josh+top&sort=-addeddate; Someone added intros to this anthology recently, I added archived link long ago, just noticed a Spanish-language edition, La crema de la ciencia ficción, was upped to Archive.org in 2013 in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. EDIT: From the same publisher is La Crema del crimen, https://archive.org/search?query=crema-del-crimen, which includes a few stories from ISFDB judging by back cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I will add the Spanish one. What the heck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pachter ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1914279; Josh Pachter is credited as "with" on title page of 2015 English edition on Archive.org. Should he be added as co-author? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I didn't check the Archive.org copy, but the Look Inside on Amazon shows that "with" citation, but then on the copyright page it says the English translation is copyright 2015 Dhooge and Pachter. There is also a copyright 2014 for Dhooge and the original publisher. I interpret that to mean Pachter's role was (co-?)translator. I found Pachter's [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bibliography.html bibliography page], and this listed in the "Translations" section. But just to avoid having anything be too clear, he also has [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bib.styx.html this], where he talks about previously translating another Dhooge work and being asked to "collaborate on an American version" of this one. So does that mean this isn't a translation but is actually a major revision? Dunno. Given that Pachter only takes credit for translating it, I think noting him as translator and documenting the "with" citation and the copyright statements (could throw in the Pachter site references as a bonus) should be sufficient. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:30, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Gors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5851689; I was adding links and adding/fixing other stuff in some Gor editions, mostly UK Star PB, when I noticed an artist's signature for Players of Gor, Star edition, is on the cover but ISFDB had no credit. I tried several names I thought it could be and finally got Tony Masero who, as far as I can tell, is credited exactly once on the entire net for doing this cover, an AbeBooks/Biblio seller's description, but AbeBooks show the wrong (Daw Books) cover and Biblio's scan of the right cover is much too small to see the signature clearly. So I think I got a rare one. As can be seen here, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=exact&TERM_2=star&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=of+gor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], there are 5 other Star editions with no cover credit; if anyone can find a signature on any of them, beat me to it and enter them yourselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Night Mayor Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?474; I noticed that the cover art for the original UK HC and the US C&G HC, which is the same, is credited to 2 different artists here. It's easy to find photos of the back flap of US online which does say design by Roy Colmer but of the several eBay sellers who offer the UK none thought to show the back flap. There are many C&G Colmer design credits online so I'm thinking Kemp did the art and US just didn't credit him, only their designer. So should we make C&G artist Jon Kemp with a note about him not being credited? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44644 UK hc of Kim Newman / The Night Mayor]. The rear flap of the dust jacket states: "Jacket Illustration: Jon Kemp" and "Jacket Design: Bostock & Pollitt Ltd." [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:44, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey's Passing ==<br />
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I was saddened to read this morning of [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]'s passing in [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-10-24-tom-swift-and-his-scrolling-pixels/ File 770] (Number 7 in the Pixel Scroll). It was always a pleasure to work with him here and he will be missed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:49, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I replaced link on his page with an updated one; also, while adding a link to the issue of the zine, Aurora, where his Walton essays appeared I discovered that most issues of Aurora and its predecessor Janus are on Archive.org, he PV most (all?) of them, but some have full contents while others have nothing. I imported a few poems from Robert Frazier, Steven M. Tymon, etc. but there's a ton of other book reviews and articles and stuff for anyone who's interested. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Sad news indeed. He had a heart attack a few years ago and has been less active since then, but he was only 69, so it was unexpected. Thanks for updating his User and Talk pages. I have updated user rights on his account. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Rtrace, thanks for letting us all know. I echo your sentiments. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Barn Owl ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296; I made an edit for City of Hermits long ago and today added some more stuff; I think this Barn Owl is not the same as the other that published much later. Ann Jungman who wrote a few of the later ones has a Wiki page where it says she founded Barn Owl in 1999 so I think the 1983 one should get a USA or California or something added to it. Whoever wrote the note about Frances Lincoln here seems to have conflated the 2 publishers; the England location probably belongs with the later publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296 Barn Owl Books (UK)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?83339 Barn Owl Books (USA)] based on the ISBN's. I also updated the notes for Barn Owl Books (UK) based on [https://www.thebookseller.com/news/frances-lincoln-acquires-barn-owl this article]. When untangling publishers, the [https://grp.isbn-international.org/ Global Register of Publishers] can be of help. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pat Frank Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856366; I added cover image long ago; just came across archived copy which was there years before my edit so I'm not sure why I didn't add it back then but I did now and also added dash in title, H-Bomb, but I noticed there's another part of the title that people can't decide on. Mhhutchins entered it with 3 dots but title page has one GIANT dot while facing page has long dash and LOC/WorldCat has comma. So what's the consensus? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sue Robinson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16675; I added archived link and a few other things to the HC of Amendment; author is a respected American newsperson. She should be differed from the Australian author. 1992 story in Weird Tales may be by either of them or another person since there's no bio in that issue. Also, does anyone own Amendment PB? It has nice cover art but there's no back cover photo online where I assume the artist would be credited. I see some weird blocks in the lower right, P and another letter, maybe initials or maybe just part of the art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out ''The Amendment'' to {{A|Sue Robinson (I)|373246}}. The author blurb for ''The Amendment'' does not align with the bio for the more prominent newspaper reporter of the same name, nor does that person list ''The Amendment'' as one of their works on their personal or faculty website. So probably two different reporters with same name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:55, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Goodfellow ==<br />
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http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2; I added a few credits for this artist but the last one has me stumped because the 1992 edition had the same cover as the last image here, http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2, but that was wrong because archived copy has the same Posen cover as the later printing on ISFDB. Goodfellow cover has an M for Mammoth so was it an earlier or later edition and why can't I find the original Methuen cover anywhere? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== French Swastika ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857839; French speakers, I made my usual shaky attempt at entering a foreign-language edition but I felt a book of such fame probably deserved it; after approval if anyone cares to look it over I'm sure it can be improved. I also made a follow-up edit changing date of French variant to a year earlier to match the date of this book. Also, those Feminist Press editions, https://archive.org/search?query=swastika-night&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, are a mess, the one with the white cover matches the UK Lawrence & Wishart edition's cover but has the info of the '85 Feminist edition, while the other 2 with the face on the cover either a) have no price on the back and totally different back cover text but copyright page is the same or b) are a 4th printing from 2003, I think, with cover info on copyright page the '85 edition doesn't have and a missing back cover so no way to tell what was on there. If anyone cares to figure all that out. For some reason the French edition I mentioned above is in English according to Archive.org which is obviously wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== UK Omni ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition356174; I added archived links to the 6 volumes of Best of Omni and noticed FantLab has a photo of #6 with a UK price on it in case anyone knows more about that; maybe all 6 were published there but, if so, none are on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tiret-Bognet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bognet&type=Name; same Verne illustrator, same book in different languages, one should be parent and maybe some of the art needs merging, Holmesd worked on many of these Verne books so he'd probably know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-01-15 at 3pm EST ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-01-15 (today) between 3pm and 3:10pm EST. The database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:09, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:06, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Katerli ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=katerli&type=Name; I found a huge (380+ pages) thread on FantLab's message boards with people who have died, many of which were never entered on ISFDB (not all genre, though, some footballers and other non-genre people are included, too) and while adding many dates and photos I came across Katerli; I added Wiki link, day of death, and photo to Nina's record but is that other spelling the same person? If so, some variant would probably be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's very possible, given how things get romanized from Eastern European languages. Perhaps one of our Eastern European language people can do a little digging? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:30, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Looking into it a bit myself, I'm 100% sure they are the same person. Working on connecting them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:57, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Okay, everything is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373565 here], now. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for working on her stories. I have added dates and updated the author record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Terry Venables ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5861442; Is this the famous footballer (or soccer, as we Yanks call it)? There seem to be a lot of photos of him but some of them look like a different person so just making sure this is the right guy (he wrote some novels including Bornless Keeper which is on ISFDB but online info seems to suggest he didn't actually write any of it, Gordon Williams did). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, things like that do happen: there are several titles in the database for which it is doubtful if the featured prominent author did actually write them; and so, jugig from the photo and the theme of the listed title it is '''the''' Terry Venables. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can confirm that the photo in your submission is indeed of the English footballer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Venables Terry Venables]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Alchemy Magazine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?35135; Luminist.org has a lot of magazines not on Archive.org and while replacing cover and adding link to Alchemy #2 I noticed all 3 issues have a different format, TP/unknown/pulp. Those who know about such things may want to adjust those since I'm assuming they all should be the same format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Dinotopia Digest Novels ==<br />
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I just made about 20 edits for this series (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862661 through https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862859) and as usual with series books it's a nightmare; I think I did as much as I could with what's available (oddly, only 1 book, Survive!, didn't have its original Random House edition entered on ISFDB so I had to scrounge up a copy on Google Books to enter info from). I think only one thing may raise questions and that's this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2230051, where an editor here in 2017 entered James Gurney as cover artist but even though he's mentioned on all copyright pages because he's the creator/owner of Dinotopia it was actually Michael Welply who did all the covers. Problem is after I removed cover credit (I didn't enter Welply because while it does say that in archived 3rd printing copy there are some 1st printings of books in the series that misspelled it as Welpley and then corrected that in later printings) I noticed the nomination for best cover in the art record. So I don't know what to make of that; was Gurney nominated because he's the creator or did someone make a mistake and not nominate the real artist, Welply? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:58, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pratchett's Eric - converting into novella? ==<br />
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I did a word count on a digital version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832 Eric], and it's around 35000 words, i.e. clearly a novella. Comments on the title and various publication records point out how unusually short it is. [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b381.htm Locus] calls the first edition a novella, but later editions a novel. I think the novella classification is correct, but am hesitant in converting such a high-profile title. Any opinions? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 08:01, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: My electronic copy contains 34.2K words, so it's a novella. That said, I wonder about Locus changing its classification after the first edition. Is there any indication that later editions may have been longer? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:43, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I can find no indication of there being different editions of the text. I noticed however that after the original illustrated edition (which was billed "A Discworld Story"), it usually says "A Discworld Novel" on the covers, so Locus might have just gone with that. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: It sounds like it's a novella whose subtitle (but not the word count) was changed in later editions. I suggest we wait for other editors to share their thoughts before we change the type from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to The Illustrated Eric, 2010 Gollancz HC, so that may help with the counting; page count said 144 but it is actually 131. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have approved the submission that corrected the page count and updated the Note field to indicate where the corrected page count comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: (Chime) Not surprised, don't care, go ahead. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Hearing no objection, I have left a message on TerokNor's Talk page asking him to proceed with the proposed changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thank you. I have submitted the first edit to begin the process. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 05:19, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Late Mods ==<br />
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I had a thought while adding FantLab ID to a PV Brian Lumley book today; is there a way to remove the necessity of adding a note to the mod about what changes you made if the mod is deceased? There have been several mod losses recently, most of whom PV countless books, so it would save time to not have to write anything if the only PV's are ones who are not going to read those notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I think there are two sides to this issue.<br />
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: The first one is technical, i.e. whether it would be possible to modify the software to check each primary verifier's Talk page to see if it starts with the "Deceased user" template. The short answer is "Yes, it would be possible, although it would also make our core software more closely intertwined with the Wiki software, which may become a minor nuisance during the next Wiki upgrade".<br />
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: The second one is functional, i.e. whether making this kind of change would be desirable. I am not sure it would. It would save some keystrokes, but there is value to having more detailed Edit History for primary verified publications even if their verifiers are no longer available. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moll/Head Virgin Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864268; I added cover and prices but I think publisher should be changed to Wyndham, either Star or Tandem or Target which are all on ISFDB related to Wyndham, since their logo is on front and back covers, https://www.ebay.com/itm/143869122299. The other issue is the cover is the same Charles Moll art as earlier US paperbacks; Michael Head was a designer with 1 other ISFDB credit that notes say is just a photo and a Mike Head I noted in an edit earlier today as the designer for Piatkus edition of M. Bingley's Waiting Darkness did a cover which is just a photo of a fist. So where Head credit came from for Virgin Planet I don't know but I think Moll credit should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== One Hundred Years of Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864915; I'm guessing this Gollancz edition is rare judging by the fact there's almost no photos of the cover online. As can be seen in my edit, notes about year (probably very old and entered by the long-gone Bluesman) are obsolete now because the year is on the title page. Also, the price was entered by Mellotronman from his copy but for a 1969 UK book the pre-decimal price should be entered so that's what I did; problem is in his note to mod in edit history he says other price is 32s, not 30. So if he's still around he may want to PV and add a note about the alternate price (I'm assuming the archived copy's flap is badly framed which is why the other price is not visible) and delete year notes and add a new one saying the date is on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It doesn't help that two different printings share the same ISBN. Mine says 1970 on the front of the title page and 'second impression 1970' on the back of the same page. The price is most definitely listed on the dust jacket as '32s', an unusual way of writing 'shillings'. The more usual way would be '32/-'. Perhaps the first impression was 30s and the second 32? [[User:Mellotronman|Mellotronman]] ([[User talk:Mellotronman|talk]]) 16:55, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, I think it makes sense now, copy on Archive.org is '69 1st pr. with just s-price while your 1970 2nd pr. has both s-price and pounds. So after my edit is approved you may want to clone it and enter yours with new date and prices and PV it, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tom Palmer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?98449; 2 or 3 different Palmers here; novels are by the guy pictured but the art credits are by the recently deceased (2022) famous comic artist who had a still-online site, tompalmerillustration, and a Wiki page as Tom Palmer (comics); the poem, judging by the bio at the archived Aphelion link, is by another likely American Palmer. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lone Star Law ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80404; Anyone think this should be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The Note field says:<br />
:* Western story anthology. It may have some spec-fic stories, but otherwise, there's no reason for it to be in the database.<br />
: Have we been able to find this anthology's table of contents and determine whether any of the stories are SF? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:23, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I was able to look at the ToC via the Amazon Look Inside feature for the pb edition (ISBN 978-1982153069) and I don't see anything there that looks like SF. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Reading the editor's introductions to each story I noticed that two stories were called "eerie". After reading them, I can confirm that one is an unambiguous ghost story while the other one is an ambiguous "curse" story. I have added them to the publication record and updated Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:13, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Recording plagiarized work ==<br />
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A couple of days ago [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-19-24-all-these-pixels-are-someone-elses-fault/ File 770 reported] (item 5) that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3221864 "After the Flood" by John Kucera] was plagiarised from another author. I've added a note to that title record, but I'm wondering whether anything else should be done, e.g. making it a variant? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Unless the poem uses the same wording I'd think the only thing we can do is to add notes to the title (and likely the publications the plagiat was published in). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:32, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:All three of the works "by" this author that are listed on ISFDB appear to have been plagiarized. I've added notes to the title entries as well as the publication entries. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:59, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks all! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:22, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::At some point, we should probably make them variants since (in all the reports I've read) only the title were changed by the plagiarizer. Similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570478 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've added the variants for the two I could figure out. Still unsure who originally wrote "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3205023 Summer 1993]" and what the original title was. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:15, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::How about this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2951283? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Looks like it's the same guy per a Google search that brought up [https://eunoiareview.wordpress.com/2023/11/16/fanlight-and-ice/ this] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123001032/https://www.silverblade.net/tag/john-siepkes/ archive]), which is the same thing but under his Kucera name. Now to try to figure out who really wrote it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:06, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Some additional archive links to help us figure out all of this: [https://web.archive.org/web/20230604133528/https://thewildword.com/poetry-john-kucera/ Wild Word], [https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html Lothlorien Poetry Journal] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004257/https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html archive]), [https://twitter.com/OneArtPoetry1/status/1747732242581876815 One Art Poetry on X], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230922115703/https://oneartpoetry.com/2023/09/11/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ One Art Poetry], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230530004119/https://www.fictionalcafe.com/spare-parts-poetry-by-john-kucera/ The Fictional Cafe], [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122101438/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2024/01/17/it-was-bound-to-happen-eventually/ Sparks of Calliope] (see also [https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004746/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2023/09/22/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ this page]), [https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 New Reader Magazine] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123005036/https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 archive]), [https://bsky.app/profile/wnwagner.bsky.social/post/3kj5gwyptla2o Wendy N. Wagner loves pie on BlueSky], and I'll add more later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:31, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) I suspect that the issue of plagiarized works is going to become harder to deal with in the near future. In the past we had to deal with two types of scenarios:<br />
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* word-for-word reprints with the title/credits changed, usually by shady publishers or self-publishers<br />
* more elaborate schemes whose perpetrators plagiarized sections of other authors' works<br />
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The first type is fairly straightforward, but the second type is hard to catch. For example, volumes 29 and 33 in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4950 ''Casca'' series] were retroactively removed from the series over allegations of plagiarism in April-June 2013. It happened 3-5 years after their original publication even though the Casca fandom is very active. It's not something that we, bibliographers, can realistically identify on our own.<br />
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Over the last few months I have seen a number of reports of plagiarists using software to scrape Web-published stories, massage them using ChatGPT and put them on Amazon, e.g. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/18v1d5e/attention_authors_of_rr_there_has_been_a_spree_of/ this episode over the Christmas holidays]. I suspect it's going to be a pain to deal with. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bard II ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291859; Wrong cover, it has price and ISBN of earlier printing, I can't find right cover, if anyone else can, can you upload it and replace this one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also, The First Long Ship (or Longship on some sites) which has no cover online I can find so if it exists and someone can find it that needs uploading, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Galactic Central Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5867682; The only other site I can find that has this cover is Camelot Books; I was going to upload it when I thought of checking Philsp and found it hiding there. Is the owner(s) of that site ever going to upgrade to HTTPS? Right-click and "open image in new tab" does show the image but it still would be better if that didn't have to be done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Last I heard, the owner said that he had no plans to upgrade to HTTPS. That said, browser vendors have been making it harder to access HTTP sites, which puts pressure on site owners to upgrade. It remains to be seen how it may affect Galactic Central in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== German Playboy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?757; While replacing sideways Amazon cover with better straight cover for one of these books I noticed there are 8 or 9 that don't have cover credits (last book was unpublished so likely no cover exists); since most covers in the series were originally on English-language books it's likely the missing ones were, too, so if anyone can recognize the art then artists can be entered and variants can be made. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:08, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Brian Ames Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119003; I added a link to a MOTA anthology over a year ago and there's a 2002 story by Brian Ames which editors before me seemed to have trouble deciding how to enter (see extensive title edit history), eventually settling on a symbol; however, in his collection someone entered the title as "grey blob", which is what it actually looks like in the anthology. So the 2 stories are the same and should be merged but what should the title be entered as? This reminds me of that David J. Schow horror story where nobody can ever decide how to enter it and eventually settled on "scribbled graffiti" or this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?76213, but at least Oates can get away with that because most of her work is pretentious "literary" stuff, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Merged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2148942 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:39, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Duplicate finder -- NOVEL/CHAPBOOK? ==<br />
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The "Duplicate Finder" program, which exists in three incarnations -- one for Author pages, one for Title pages and one for Publication pages -- searches for potential duplicate titles and then lets you merge them. Its default mode of operations is "exact", which means that two (or more) titles need to have the exact same spelling as well as the same authors in order to be considered potential duplicates.<br />
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The "exact" mode also ignores unlikely title type mismatches. For example, if one title record is SHORTFICTION and another one is NOVEL, they won't be flagged as potential duplicates. However, the "exact" mode currently flags NOVEL and CHAPBOOK titles with identical titles and authors as potential duplicates. I am thinking that this is likely more harmful than useful and would like to propose that we change the behavior of the "exact" mode to skip identical NOVEL/CHAPBOOK pairs. Ideas? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree. As it is currently, we could accidentally merge titles incorrectly. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:40, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I also agree. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:21, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: I use that one a lot especially when adding juvenile chapbooks to prolific authors (mainly Fixer's) - because of how Amazon has these, they rarely make it to addPubs and not having the duplicate finder highlight the previously entered novel (a lot of these are stored as novels and need conversion) makes it more likely not to see the other version on the page. So I would rather not lose it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: Let me clarify that the Duplicate Finder's "similar" mode would continue to flag NOVEL, SHORTFICTION and CHAPBOOK titles as potential duplicates after the proposed change. Would it be sufficient for Fixer-originated use cases? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:41, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: But we do not have a similar mode in the pubs/titles Duplicate finder. The one I use is the one that triggers when you click on "Check for Duplicate Titles" after a Pub/Title Edit. Which I believe is "exact". If I need to go to the author page every time to run a separate similar mode check, it will add steps. Plus in some of these authors, it will highlight a lot of things which is different from the current case where it is a quick check that finds usually a single match when it does. I can make it work - but it will add to the workflow. One option may be to allow the similar as an option on pub/title duplicate finder - keep the exact as a default but allow a similar to be run with a click how we do it on author page's find duplicates? A separate click which is right there will help. <br />
::::: And this is not just for Fixer usecases - I've needed it when moderating as well often enough in a similar usecase - we have chapbook/novel and a new(ish) member adds the same as the other. <br />
::::: If the proposal is to remove it from the 'Author' exact duplicate finder only with no change for the pub/title duplicate finder, then I am fine with removing it there. But the way the proposal reads, it sounds like we are not going to show it in the default mode in either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:45, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the fact that the versions of the Duplicate Finder software used on Publication and Title pages do not support "similar" and "aggressive" modes. If memory serves, the reason was performance -- there can be thousands of titles with "similar" spellings where "similar" is defined as an 85% overlap, the current threshold value.<br />
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:::::: It sounds like what we may need is a new Duplicate Finder mode. Something that would be the same as the "exact" mode except that it would also flag identical CHAPBOOK/NOVEL title pairs. It would be made available on all three Duplicate Finder pages.<br />
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:::::: If it sounds workable, I can look into what it would take to implement it. I suspect that it should be a fairly straightforward change, but I am not 100% sure. We'll also need to come up with an intuitive name for the new mode. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:11, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: That will work for me. And if you are going to do it, we may think about throwing an anthology/collection/omnibus format mix in the same mode (same usecase essentially - especially around juveniles and novellas previously added as novels). And even poem/shortfiction? Maybe simply pull all the format discrepancy matches out from Exact (requiring a format match in it) and move them to their own type of duplicate finder mode. That will also make it less likely for someone to merge by mistake based on the standard duplicate find.[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:27, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: You could have "type" be an independent modifier applied to any of the three modes. Something like "Match identical types only", on by default. That would also be easy to extend to other criteria (e.g., language) in the future without having a cross product of mode choices. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:26, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Good point! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) After experimenting on the development server and paying closer attention when working on the Clean Authors cleanup, I think I have a better appreciation for Annie's concerns. At this point clicking "Check for Duplicate Titles" post-approval is second nature for moderators and self-approvers. When a submission adds a NOVEL publication, it's very helpful to know that a CHAPBOOK pub with the same title already exists in the database, especially if the submitter is a robot. Requiring the approving moderator to click yet another link/button would mess with the workflow.<br />
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I suppose we could change the Duplicate Finder logic to ignore CHAPBOOK/NOVEL duplicates by default, but display a yellow warning -- and a link to the more relaxed version of the Duplicate Finder -- if they exist. I am not sure it would be ideal, though. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: As long as it is a link and not a need to go elsewhere or to go to the author level, that will work for me. <br />
: I'd also want to ask for the anthology/collection/omnibus and the poem/short fiction checks to be added to the chapbook/novel both for the yellow warning and the more relaxed one - both of these happen often enough to be annoying if we lose the ability to see them on the duplicate finder. Unless the plan is to leave these into the default one - in which case, we are fine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: After thinking some more about this issue, it occurs to me that there may be another way to approach this issue. Currently, most post-approval Web pages display links that let you view/edit the updated/added record or, for some submission types like Make Variant, multiple records. A few post-submission pages also link to the Duplicate Finder or other pages.<br />
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:: However, there is nothing preventing the post-approval software from quietly checking the status of the added/updated record(s) and displaying appropriate warnings. For example, the post-approval page for NewPubs could run the Duplicate Finder behind the scenes and then display a message like:<br />
::* The added publication record includes a title record with the same title and authors as another title record. Use the Duplicate Finder link above to see the details.<br />
:: This warning message would be easy to implement and moderators would no longer have to worry about forgetting to click "Duplicate Finder" after approving NewPub submissions. Does this sound useful?<br />
:: If we choose to add this warning message, we could still decide to tweak the Duplicate Finder logic later, but I think the message should be implemented first since it changes the workflow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:53, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: That will be useful -- I am not sure how many false alerts will show up and how they will be treated (especially from the less experienced moderating users - usually the self-approvers) but other from that, any checks the software can do for me are always welcome. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:08, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: OK, {{FR|1592}}, "Warning after approving NewPub submissions which create potential duplicates", has been created. We'll see how useful it will be. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:48, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Duplicate Finder enhancements -- Outcome ===<br />
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{{FR|1592}} has been implemented. After approving NewPub/AddPub/ClonePub/EditPub submissions, moderators and self-approvers will now see a yellow warning and a link to the Duplicate Finder if the created/affected publication record contains one (or more) title records which have the same title(s) and author(s) as other title records in the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moondust ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22737; I added a whole bunch of edits for Rosemary Harris books and also found a PDF link for her early uncollected story "Hamlin" at Galactic Journey. Looking through their list of PDF's I noticed a Swann link and, thinking it would be a short story, I clicked it and it turned out to be the full original edition of his novel Moondust which has no copies at the usual places like Internet Archive or Luminist. I'm guessing there's more novels hiding in that list but for now I'll just ask if anyone owns the book and wouldn't mind transcribing the text on the last 2 pages and adding it to the record because those are missing in the PDF. I'm not sure what copyright rules are for a 50+-year-old book but I think a page or two would count as an excerpt and wouldn't bother anyone, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That can get complicated. Since this was first published in 1968 in the United States, and if it was published with a copyright notice, the copyright expires at the end of 2063 (meaning it becomes public domain on January 1, 2064). If it was published without a copyright notice, since it was published between 1964 and 1977, it is now in the public domain. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#When_does_copyright_expire? here] for more details. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the PDF copy from the link you submitted, the copyright notice is very clear on the back of the title page. This means the copyright doesn't expire until 2064, so we shouldn't be linking to a pirated PDF copy. I rejected the link addition. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:30, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::So does that mean that all the 330 or so Luminist.org PDF's currently linked on ISFDB are pirated, too? Because I don't think most of those are public domain; I would know because I'm the one who added most of the links. Has any mod in the history of this site ever gotten a request from anyone to remove a Luminist PDF? I'd be curious to know. When someone pirates something and uploads it, they love to add their name, fake as it may be, to the upload, similar to how computer game crackers decades ago loved to add their names to the crack, usually with some animation and music (which were sometimes better than those in the game itself); believe me, I could easily add hundreds of Internet Archive links to rare books right now except for the fact that the uploaders converted them to crap e-editions with removed page numbers. I don't see anything like that in Moondust so it's likely someone's personal copy they converted to a PDF; it's clearly the original paperback with page numbers and a bookstore sticker on the cover and everything. Since Swann died in 1976 and the last reprint as far as ISFDB (and WorldCat) say was in 1977 I doubt anyone would care if a PDF was linked to here; any serious collector would want a physical copy. My suggestion would be to un-reject it. Barring that, I'll just go ahead and make a note with the address of the PDF but not hot-linked so people know where it is but actually have to paste the URL into the address bar themselves in order to get it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:47, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::This guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?286234, runs the site. Looks legit to me; he even published a magazine of the same title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: The question about the status of Luminist-hosted PDF files is an interesting one. I should first note that I became aware of the Luminist Web site back in 2010 when we were given permission to link to Luminist-hosted images. I was under the impression that the files that they host were similar to [https://www.gutenberg.org/help/copyright.html Gutenberg-hosted "copyright-cleared" files], which is why I have been approving their addition for the last few years.<br />
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::::However, reading the copyright statement on the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page]:<br />
::::* This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.” By accessing files linked to this site you are agreeing to abide by these restrictions. If you do not agree, do not download. If any copyright owner objects to our inclusion of their material on this web site, please do not harass our hosting providers; just contact us with the pertinent information. We will remove contested content promptly upon receipt of legitimate requests. Readers who wish to obtain a permanent copy of any item are encouraged to acquire one from a bookseller of their choice. Readers may contact us for assistance in locating copies for purchase. <br />
:::: I see that they expect their users to download PDF files for "private study, scholarship, or research" purposes and, apparently, not for permanent use. This relies on an interpretation of the [https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html "fair use" doctrine] which seems a bit too stretchy to me, but I am not an expert in the field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:09, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::OK, sounds good to me, "private study" clearly can mean reading the book and since they're being linked at ISFDB that covers the scholarship/research part. Also, what I took to be a Galactic Journey magazine is just a few random pages from the webzine with a couple of essay links, 1 of which is movie-related and probably doesn't qualify, but there's some Hugo Award nomination so I guess they count; the first entry is totally blank and was actually entered by user "galacticjourney" himself with mods questioning on his page why he entered it since it's a webzine. The site is still running currently and has hundreds of essays, many of which would be suitable for entry here, I'm sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Let me clarify what I meant by "a bit too stretchy". The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.<br />
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:::::: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. My knowledge of these topics is very limited, but hopefully other editors may have more in-depth knowledge and/or relevant experience in this field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:38, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: I have started a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Linking_to_third_party_Web_pages_--_defining_.22legally_posted.22 Rules and Standards discussion] to see if we can come up with unambiguous rules for linking to third party-hosted texts. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:50, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Reactor?!? ==<br />
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I was at my awful local public library printing out various articles and short stories for free which is the only positive thing about libraries these days and after my hour was up I realized I forgot to check Tor.com to see if they published any new fiction (horror only, please, no SF or fantasy) so I checked when I got home and got a scary-looking page which made me think a computer virus had finally taken hold of my laptop after not having one for many years but it turns out that Tor apparently has re-named themselves Reactor. Is anyone else aware of this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yes, they announced it a few weeks ago. New site, new name (to differentiate them from the Tor.com publisher), same team, same contents. All the old links to their old site should be forwarding cleanly to the new one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: And the [https://reactormag.com/tor-com-to-become-reactor-debut-new-site-on-january-23rd/ announcement] and [https://reactormag.com/answering-your-questions-about-tor-coms-change-to-reactor/ Q&A] about it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I suspect that the part of the FAQ that is most likely to affect us is this:<br />
::* SFF literature is still the heart of what we do, and that’s our priority. We’ll just also be open to related subjects of interest, from nonfic to romantasy, pirates to gardening, and so on.<br />
:: So it looks like they will have more non-genre content going forward, but they expect to remain primarily SF-oriented for the foreseeable future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:23, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Chinese Godzilla? ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%E6%80%AA%E7%8D%A3%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; If anyone knows what this is about and decides it warrants entering, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Magic German Cats ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33710; There was a 1999 German edition under a new title, https://archive.org/details/katmagie13katten0000unse, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ZOLTAR ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Zoltar&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Polish primary verifier seemed to be very active in 2012 and then nothing, they left a lot of their 300+ PV unfinished with missing info, mentioning this in case anyone fluent in Polish wants to follow up on any of them and add or fix anything. I thought of this before but remembered it today after finding a photo for Jerzy Sosnowski on FantLab and an archived copy of the anthology PL +50 which his story on ISFDB appears in. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:45, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== verification email ==<br />
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I have tried several times to elicit a verification email but nothing has arrived. I've checked junk & trash as well. Is this simply not working? {{unsigned|Starman99}}<br />
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: I am afraid this is a common occurrence, which we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_don.27t_receive_the_confirmation_email.3F discuss in the ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* Different email servers have different automated rules which may block email coming from certain Web sites, which makes it hard to tell what's preventing ISFDB confirmation email from being delivered to your mailbox.<br />
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:* Note, however, that confirmation emails are optional as far as ISFDB is concerned. As long as you can log in, you have full access to all ISFDB features including Advanced Search, display preferences, submission creation etc.<br />
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: Since you were able to post the message above, you should be all set :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ace Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872024; Can someone on the long list of editors find out where someone got month from? Whoever entered many of these old PB long ago was very random about noting where they got the month, but I remember it was a checklist or something so that's likely where this one came from, too. I thought it would be obvious why I added the month since it's there throughout the contents but I guess not. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Berthon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=theodore+le&type=Name; Space in first entry separates same essay from its appearances elsewhere; no essay title page I can find but I did see a contents page of Frankenstein File that says, um, Ted Le Berthon, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334647759422. So, if anyone can verify, a merge or variant will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== I'm looking for a book title ==<br />
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Hello everyone,<br />
I'm looking for a book title. I read the book years ago probably in the 80s. A quick summary the world is divided by a massive mountain range. I think that the protagonist must climb the mountain range in order to become the ruler. They climb the mountain only to find a deep valley on the other side with an even higher mountain range behind it. The protagonist ultimately climbs the second mountain range where they find another land on the far side with another intelligent species. This has been driving me batty and I would appreciate it if anyone knows what this books title is and who wrote it. Thank you. {{Unsigned2|19:21, February 1, 2024| Firefighterbgrg }}<br />
:If no one here is able to help you, we have a [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|section in our FAQ]] that gives several places where you can ask for help finding the book. Good luck! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey ==<br />
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I learn via [https://news.ansible.uk/a439.html Ansible] today that Darrah Chavey left this mortal coil on 6 January. He was always a learned and consistent editor to work alongside at the ISFDB... Happy trails Darrah, Rest In Peace. :( [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 10:39, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, indeed. There was a brief [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Darrah_Chavey.27s_Passing Community Portal discussion on 2024-01-11] and Darrah's database record was updated. RIP. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Gardner F. Fox's text story in "Strange Adventures" ==<br />
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Earlier today a Usenet poster pointed out that {{A|Gardner F. Fox}} published "The Magic Maker of Rann", a text story, in the comic ''Strange Adventures'' #226. The story is lavishly illustrated, but the text works just fine even if you were to reprint it without illustrations, which is how we determine whether a story is "graphic".<br />
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The whole thing is available [https://thedorkreview.blogspot.com/2012/01/adam-stranges-magic-maker-of-rann.html online], illustrations included. Should we treat ''Strange Adventures'' as a non-genre periodical and list this story? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I've entered a number of Eando Binder stories from the {{Series|Lieutenant Jon Jarl of the Space Patrol}} series that originally appeared in {{Series|Captain Marvel Adventures}} comic, and I entered them in exactly the manner you suggest. I believe some of these stories have been reprinted as text alone, so I felt I was on pretty safe ground. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:43, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Ark Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5880702; ISBN belongs to Scholastic edition judging by a back cover I saw online. There's a later (3rd) trade printing on Archive.org with trade and library ISBN on the copyright page so either this record should be made Scholastic or a new record created for Random House edition(s). I've been adding dozens of Wikipedia links to novelizations recently and I've come across some other issues like this (only one I can remember is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by Anne Digby which has pub. series as Hippo Books but that actually belongs to the UK edition which I made a new record for) so when these are approved a check and some fixing/adding is probably needed for at least a few of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:50, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Rise of the Silver Surfer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346021; I made an edit fixing typo "udpated" to "updated", surprisingly the only such error on all of ISFDB, and realized that this edition was likely never published with AbeBooks having a weird "cover to be unveiled" photo. So unless someone can find evidence of a copy I think this should get the unpublished date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Parnassus Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/wizardofearthsea00ursu; I added a link to a Parnassus edition based on someone's extensive notes here (no number line or smudge on title page) but there are some editions of this book only linked from Open Library including the one above which has a price much higher than any other book from the publisher on ISFDB but copyright page has same info as 1969 2nd printing so if anyone knows a way to determine the date a new edition can be added. There's an ancient ISFDB bibliography from 2006 by Ahasuerus, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin, which could probably use some updating unless it's been updated somewhere else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pranks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've made edits for all editions before, original 1983 Amazon cover seems to have disappeared leading to a broken image so I replaced it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882029, then I replaced OL/Archive cover which is too dark with an Amazon cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882020, that isn't great but is brighter and still retains the sparkly stuff on the title that Leisure used to attract people to buy their books which then led to disappointment when the buyers realized the novels themselves were usually crap, the latest edition is fine as is, so now I think the 1983 edition with the wrong price and ISBN should be deleted and the image uploaded by Chris J. should be removed from the Wiki since it seems to be the badly creased cover that's still on Amazon with unnecessary back cover included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Felix Kelly ==<br />
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I entered new records for Faber anthologies Best Murder Stories and Best Murder Stories 2 which are mostly genre or by genre authors; I also looked at Best Tales of Terror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4213, and even though I know I've seen that cover many times I never noticed until seeing it full-sized on FantLab that there's a very clear signature lower right, FELIX KELLY. I entered that in an edit but the problem is that the record for him, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?255975, might be the same artist who did the 1956 art but can't be the guy from 1879. So there may be 2 Felix Kellys in case anyone can find out more and separate them into 2 records; it's also possible that the 1956 art was not new but taken from something drawn by the older Kelly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also added Margaret Wolpe as cover artist for Best Tales of Terror 2; no signature I can see but FantLab credits her + there's a copy on Dalby's site whose front flap says she did "jacket design" and the art does look like many of her other Faber covers. Also greatly updated her record with lots of bio info and noted she was married to Berthold, also an artist, and updated his record as well. Dalby's copy has a pounds price sticker covering another pound price so I'm getting the impression Faber reprinted their anthologies many times with no way to tell except the prices kept getting higher; lots of printings are probably missing so if anyone has any not on ISFDB it would be good to enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventure of the Peerless Peer ==<br />
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Are there any objections to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11929 this] to a novella? The recent ebook reprint is marked as 27k words by Kobo USA and looking at the page numbers and some of the other editions, it does feel too small to be a novel. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: It's definitely a novella. The Titan Books edition (2011) is well over 200 pages and looks like a bona fide novel, but its apparent length is due to the addition of a very long promotional excerpt from {{A|Kim Newman}}'s ''Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles''. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:16, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Termush - convert to novella ==<br />
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Another recent reprint shows [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1443797 this one] as 25k words in English (Kobo USA count) which will leave it well short of 40K in its original Danish as well. Any objections to converting this to a novella? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== John Stanley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883789; See my note about artist, that Little Lulu credit in the original Stanley record belongs with I's record because, as my note in the original says, he was born in '39 or '40 so he would only have been 9 or 10 if he did that art which is unlikely; this is the right Stanley, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stanley_(cartoonist). The Melvin Monster credits belong with I, too. I have to assume the Fengriffen Stanley is not the same as I because it's a UK edition and he's American plus it's a photograph, not drawn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:10, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Doolin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431777; Late PV entered James Doolin based on signature but there is none, FantLab photo has initials JPD, it's actually Joseph Doolin, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27894, and he has an entry for the same art, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1590968. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Uncorrected Proofs ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5870146 this submission] to update {{P|29328|this record}}. I noticed that the record states that it was unpublished (8888-00-00), yet there appears to be a cover that was just added. More importantly it also describes this as an "uncorrected proof" and I had thought that proofs were outside of our [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents/Project Scope Policy|scope]]. The policy specifically excludes Advance Reading Copies unless available for sale to the public. Do uncorrected proofs differ from ARCs in terms of determining scope? This seems straightforward to me and I believe the publication should be deleted. If others disagree and this requires a full discussion, we can move this the the Rules and Standards board. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:59, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: I read the rules the same way you do - ARCs and uncorrected proofs are out. However, we do keep records of unpublished but announced books (these are in scope under the <i>announced but never published (entered as "unpublished")</i> part of ROA) so I would not delete this one as it is under that category. So ARC/uncorrected proof of a book that comes out will not be eligible but if the book never makes it out, adding the notes about it into the 8888 book are fine I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Comparing this publication record with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3379 other, published, editions of the book], I note that it has a different ISBN in addition to a different publisher name. I typically enter announced-then-canceled ISBNs as 8888-00-00 publication records under the rule referenced by Annie. Their presence in our database helps answer a common question: "Whatever happened to this apparent first edition? Why can't I find any copies for sale?" We all know how obsessed collectors can get when it comes to first editions and our database is frequently the only readily accessible place that explains what happened to a "disappeared" ISBN. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:51, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've no argument with a publication record for an announced, but unpublished book. However, an unpublished book and an uncorrected proof are two different things. The notes on this record confuse the issue as to what the record represents. The addition of a cover scan and artist further confuses things. How are we able to display a cover of a book that was never published? I would suggest that the notes be reworked to indicate that a proof was done as evidence of the planned publication. We could replace the first two sentences with "The Bluejay Books imprint was dissolved late in 1986 just after an uncorrected proof for this planned edition was printed in September of that year." I would also recommend deleting the cover of the proof and rejecting the addition of an artist. I do worry that if we were to make an exception and allow a record specifically for an uncorrected proof when the book is never published, it would encourage the addition of other proofs and ARCs especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database. If others think this should be a valid exception to allow records for proofs, then we should document it in the scope page as is done with ARCs offered for sale. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: That sounds like a plan and the proposed change in the notes sounds fine to me - that will make it clear that the record is here because the book was announced and not because it had an ARC/uncorrected proofs done. I am at two minds about the cover - if it was announced with the book, recording it makes sense as it may help trace it to an artist later on and as it is part of the record after all. But other from that - I agree that we need to be careful not to confuse ARCs and unpublished books per se - although when a publication fails through often varies so there are ARCs out there for books that do not make it - that one being an example. Maybe all we need is to strengthen the language to specify that the exclusion is for books that end up being published - thus allowing the usecase we have here without a concern. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:06, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::I agree that the pub record should stay because it falls under "announced but never published" and agree with Ron that the problem with it as it stands is that the pub note gives the impression that the record has been created for the proof, not the unpublished book. Ron's tweak to the pub note solves this problem.<br />
:::::Further notes and suggestions:<br />
:::::1) I agree that mentioning the proof in the pub note is a good idea. It is evidence that the book was announced.<br />
:::::2) I definitely think the cover image should be deleted. It should either be omitted or of the final cover. The latter assumes the publisher reached that stage and that we could find the image. All very unlikely. The cover image is more than just the artwork; it's also the colouring, wording, layout and typography and those aspects of the proof cover clearly wouldn't reflect the final version.<br />
:::::3) I would delete the OCLC/WorldCat External ID and just mention it in the pub note because it refers specifically to the uncorrected proof and not the unpublished final work.<br />
:::::4) I'm ambivalent about importing the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?950860 coverart record]. It's clear from the cover of the proof that Ron Walotsky was the intended artist so this falls under "announced but never published" but it would need a pub note explaining the source and why there's no image.<br />
:::::5) I'm broadly against making an exception for including ARC's / proofs when the book was unpublished although I do see Annie's point of view. But I think it's an unnecessary complication and veers back towards Ron's point about "encourage the addition of other proofs and ARC's especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database" which is something I strongly agree we want to avoid. Also, if we do permit this exception, how do we implement it? Does it mean we would have two pub records: one for the unpublished work and one for the proof? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I've gone ahead and change the notes as discussed above. I've also moved the Worldcat number and the cover into the notes so that it's clear the record is for the unpublished work and not for the proof. I'll reject the held edit. Let me know if someone disagrees with these changes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Carroll ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165703; The stories belong with the other Carroll but that ndp thing doesn't look right to me so maybe some other differing addition should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Author attribution on the three stories, initially credited to Noël Carrol, has been corrected. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:57, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I still think it's weird about that (ndp) because there's thousands of nom de plumes on ISFDB but this is the only one that has that added on the end of the name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:28, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Well, we have some with (pseudonym) attached, and I'd think that'd be more meaningful (ndp isn't a colloquial abbreviation), or just a (I) attached. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:52, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't think we should use any parentheticals if we can avoid it. Since we have the (I) thing we already use extensively, I think that would be the best option for any that are currently using "(pseudonym)" as a disambiguator. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:20, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: There are reasons why I chose to set the author up as Noel Carroll (ndp). However, it's not worth our time to debate. I have changed it to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373877 Noel Carroll]. Not sure that the standards imply that Roman numerals are the preferred dismbiguator. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name Here] is the applicable help section. Thanks for your interest, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Karen Simmons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1117998; She's the wife of Dan Simmons, credited for author photograph in the HC which can be seen on eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/04sAAOSw1Mdltkv~/s-l1600.jpg], art is likely by one of the regular Headline cover artists, Chris Moore maybe, but I don't see a signature. So her credit should be removed. I noticed a 2nd printing of the Headline PB on Archive.org which has that same art (and price) but different blurbs on top and bottom so I'm going to enter that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! There's a primary verification by Faustus. It'd be meaningful if you contact him to shed some light on the actual credit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi! There's no credit on the PB because there's no author photo like there is on the back of the HC. 2nd printing PB I just entered has no art credit. I'm sure someone here familiar with UK PB artists will identify it in some artist's book sooner or later but it's certainly not by Dan's wife. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Wesso ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5885644; Wiki says 1893. Anyone here who can find proof it's really 1894? I looked for a headstone but couldn't find one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Story about the Premiere of Rite of Spring ==<br />
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I'm looking for the short story (probably from 1970s) about recreating the experience of the premiere of The Rite of Spring by giving all of the audience members a new drug. I believe this was in one of the better short story annuals of the era.<br />
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Most of my book collection is in storage, alas, so I can't find this by leafing through my old pulp. {{Unsigned2|17:38, February 8, 2024| Martycohen36 }}<br />
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== Black Christmas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?878255; While entering Wikipedia links for tons of novelizations I came across this rare 1976 one for the classic 1974 horror film. The original edition is apparently very rare because I've looked everywhere and can't find a copyright page that doesn't have the word FANGORIA on it because apparently Fangoria Magazine reprinted it in 2008 (although there is very little mention of this online). It does include the original info so I was able to enter the month (February, which is odd because you'd think it would be late in the year to capitalize on the holiday) but if anyone has a 1976 copy can you verify what it says on it? The film was Canadian and book says "Printed in Canada" so possibly it was only published there in which case the price will need a C added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Riddle of the Exodus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?185298; Not fiction, religious history book, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL8166080W/The_Riddle_of_the_Exodus?edition=key%3A/books/OL8566162M, probably should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. I question if the author of the religious book is the same author as of the BattleTech books. I couldn't find anything on the religious author's sites that connect him to the BattleTech books. I will ping the active verifier for the BattleTech book to see if there is an author blurb. If not (or it indicates it is a different author), I will remove the the current author info from {{A|James D. Long}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:31, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Philfreund has confirmed the BattleTech book provides no biographical information on the author. I have removed the author info from {{A|James D. Long}} as it is more than likely a different person. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:28, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mutant Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250352; I replaced the cover; if anyone knows about the old one, whether it was an early one that was rejected or if it belongs to a different edition, a note about early art or a new record for the other edition if it exists would be good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N. ==<br />
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I need to make several changes to the pub records for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126730 Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.]. The tp edition has a sole PV by the late Biomassbob but he somehow missed showing that Paula Goodlett is the co-author of the work. Amazon also shows the pub date for that edition as 2023-12-07, not 2023-12-02 as currently shown in the pub record. The 12-07 date makes more sense since all of the other self-published books by Gorg Hoff and Paula Goodlett have the ebook edition published the day prior to the tp edition. Any objection to my making changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:21, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Mistakes happen :) Go ahead - make sure the notes clarify where the date is coming from. And while you are there, we do not use "Independently published" as a publisher - so can you also fix that (author names are used when there is no publisher). I will sort out the other 2 we have under that publisher later today. Thanks for finding this one! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:44, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Done. I also corrected the title for the Interiorart maps record to match current standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:29, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus1 Secondary Verifications ==<br />
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Occasionally I come across pubs that have been SVd to Locus1 solely on the basis of their mention as the first edition of a later publication. The first one I encountered, as a very rookie editor, was this one: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?197293 David Brin / Sundiver]. I asked the SVer, Rtrace, about it and received [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace/Archive15#David_Brin_.2F_Sundiver this explanation]. For the purposes of this thread I shall refer to these as "indirect listings".<br />
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The most recent one I have encountered is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and it is this pub record that has prompted this thread because there is a clear contradiction between the SV to Locus1 and the pub note "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)."<br />
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So my question is: should these indirect listings be allowed as SVs to Locus1? If I ruled the world I would not permit them because I don't think they conform to a general user's expectation of a Locus1 listing and they can cause confusion and inconsistencies as demonstrated by the Gerrold record. However, I do not feel strongly about this. I accept Ron's point that these indirect listings provide at least as much information as Clute/Nicholls and if the consensus is that they should be allowed then I can live quite happily with this.<br />
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However, if we do allow them then this Help page: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources Reference:Verification_Sources] needs amendment. The matrix currently states that Locus1 provides "All" the information for fields such as Pages, Price and others but this is not true for the indirect listings. So either:<br />
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a) The relevant fields for Locus1 should be changed from "All" to "Some" (or maybe "Most").<br />
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b) A note should be added to the page explaining Locus1 indirect listings and clarifying that the values in the matrix for Locus1 only apply to full listings.<br />
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I prefer solution b).<br />
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Opinions please. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: An interesting point. So basically Locus1 has two types of records. One type covers editions published between 1984 and 2007 and includes publication details. The other type covers first editions (including editions published before 1984) and only lists their year and publisher. In an ideal world, we may want to create a separate Secondary Verification type for the latter and call it something like "Locus1-First Edition". Unfortunately, I am not sure it would be feasible since we have over [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?2 50,000 Locus1 verifications] and separating them would be a very time-consuming project. If we decide not to do it, then I agree that we should update [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data.<br />
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: As far as cases like {{A|David Gerrold}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 Chess with a Dragon] go, I would reword Notes. Instead of saying "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)", I would say something like "Locus1 doesn't have a detailed record for this edition, but multiple records for reprint editions refer to it as the first edition." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Yes, I realised when I started the thread that if we disallow the Locus1 indirect listings there could be a legacy issue of past records SVd to Locus1 that would be difficult to amend. This is often a problem when rules and standards are changed. So although in theory I would vote to disallow these cases, I accept it is not practical to do so. Consequently I am happy with leaving them as they are and updating [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data, which we both agree with.<br />
::I am working on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and so will incorporate the change to the Locus1 pub note as you suggest. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:08, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Necronomicon in Sweden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=d+bergho&type=Name; First name likely misspelled by PV (or magazine it appeared in) and essay is in second name's record with a much earlier date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Garland Library of SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8067; I made a couple of edits adding archived link, LCCN and cover image to Past Master when I noticed that there is 1 book in the series with a UK price and 1 without any price. So if anyone can fill in the missing one and add US one (moving UK to notes) for the other then everything will be uniform. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lou J. Berger ==<br />
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The author has requested we change his canonical name from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186596 Lou J. Berger] to "Lou J Berger" (no period after the "J"). See mod note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878281 here]. Any objections? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:32, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Checking Amazon.com's Look Inside, I see that the name was spelled "Lou J. Berger" in 2013-2014 and changed to "Lou J Berger" in 2015/2016. By now the majority of the stories use the "Lou J Berger" form of the name, so it should be our canonical name. We just need to make sure that we use the right form for the transitional (2015-2016) period. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Author attributions were reviewed and corrected resulting in compliance with the author's request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:16, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus on Microfilm ==<br />
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I recently added links to the handful of random print issues of Locus that are on Archive.org, one a very early issue and the others more recent, but I just stumbled on a huge cache of microfilmed 1973-2015 issues uploaded by MicrofilmIssueGenerator so I added a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5893289. Not sure if this is known about already but if not I'm sure it will come in handy here for research. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-02-18 at 11am EST ==<br />
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== Sword of the Samurai ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5894874; I have owned a copy since the 1980s and PV it here in 2022, copy uploaded to Archive.org last summer but not added until a few days ago, I think I got the right page count but if anyone disagrees feel free to tweak it a bit, you don't have to ask me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I see a note in the UK edition's record here says [236] so I think they counted the illustration between the first 19 pages and the start of the novel itself. Should that count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::I would count it one way or the other, either as part of the introductory material (so, technically on [20]) or as part of the main material. A page number on that first page of main text would have been a useful guide.... I found an eBay listing of the Puffin edition that has some interior photographs. Not of the page in question, but the TOC and other leading material looks identical to what Archive.org shows for the edition you have. Extrapolating that to content that follows it suggests Reginald did count that illustration as part of the main material. Given the [236] there, what I will do is tweak your count to [236] and add a note about the illustration's appearance relative to the text on the surrounding pages. Just trying to save you an edit cycle; feel free to adjust it to be however you prefer -- I do not mean to insist on anything. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:07, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Sounds good, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic impact of the 2023 Hugo Awards ==<br />
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The current pre-release cover of {{A|Samantha Mills}}'s debut novel [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] says "Nebula and Hugo Award Winner". On 2024-02-17 Mills disavowed the award and announced that she would have "Hugo winner" removed from future editions of the book:<br />
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* [https://samtasticbooks.com/2024/02/17/rabbit-test-unwins-the-hugo/ “Rabbit Test” unwins the Hugo]: ... on Tuesday I’ll send a very awkward email to my agent and editor summarizing the situation ... and figure out the logistics of removing “Hugo winner” from the ebook and future printings. The first print run will be a limited edition novelty, I suppose? Jeez.<br />
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This may not be an isolated occurrence since, as Samantha Mills wrote (among other things):<br />
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* On February 14, a report written by Jason Sanford and Chris M. Barkley was simultaneously released on the [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on Genre Grapevine] and [https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/ File770]. ... we also got a look at [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rhCwKLMydCto6HvXvcqjR553DqrhTfBu/view the validation list itself], aka the tables of frontrunner nominees being vetted for the final ballot, and a horrible pattern emerged, especially in the fiction categories: there were a whole lot of Chinese nominees in frontrunner positions who just… vanished, and never made it onto the final ballot. There were so many, in fact, that if I am reading this document correctly: ''not a single fiction winner'' (short story, novelette, novella, novel, or series) would have even been a finalist if those nominees hadn’t been taken off.<br />
* There’s an indicator of why in the apology letter from the admin who leaked the emails and validation tables: “We were told there was collusion in a Chinese publication that had published a nominations list, a slate as it were, and so those ballots were identified and eliminated.”<br />
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From our perspective, this means that we will need to:<br />
* Update the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78890 “Rabbit Test” Award record] to indicate that the author disavowed the award, similar to how [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this award record] explains that {{A|Judy-Lynn del Rey}}'s posthumous "Best Professional Editor" award was refused by her husband {{A|Lester del Rey}}.<br />
* Keep an eye on [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] to make sure that the correct covers are used for the first and any subsequent editions of the novel.<br />
* Be on the lookout for possible other announcements of authors disavowing 2023 Hugo awards.<br />
* Occasionally check "Worldcon Intellectual Property" announcements. On January 30, 2024 they issued [https://www.wsfs.org/2024/01/31/announcements-from-worldcon-intellectual-property/ a statement] censuring multiple people "for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon" and said that "There may be other actions taken or to be taken that are not in this announcement." If and when they make additional statements about the Hugos awarded at the 2023 Worldcon, we may need to update our records.<br />
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Earlier today {{A|Adrian Tchaikovsky}} disavowed his 2023 Hugo award for Best Series on [https://adriantchaikovsky.com/ his Web site]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78915 award record] has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::These notes are exactly the correct action for us, I think. If we had notes for an award year, it would probably be desirable to add something for the 2023 Hugos. Although, getting a properly neutral description of the controversy free of personal biases (and I have many in this instance), would be tricky. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One of the challenges that the 2023 Hugos present is that it's still a developing story. What we knew 10 days ago is very different from what we know today. Perhaps we'll learn more in the future.<br />
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::: For example, back in late January I came across a re-post/translation of a Chinese fan's comments about the Hugos. The post stated that the fan had been involved in the Hugo process (committee member?) and that he or she had a conflict with Chinese members of the Hugo committee with various accusations flying back and forth. At the time I had trouble parsing the post, in part due to lacking context and in part due to the quality of the translation. In retrospect it may have been related to the following email sent by Dave McCarthy on June 7, 2023 at 6:18pm (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_QqmsxQkACoYcxSx2LVqbxD39-DJI_gS/view), which says:<br />
:::* Tomorrow I have a 4 hour meeting with my chinese counterparts to look at ballot detail and determine if any ballots are to be voided<br />
::: Perhaps either this fan or other members of the 2023 Hugo committee may clarify matters at some point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It would especially be useful to note that the nomination totals and the EPH points appear to be completely unreliable, since those are noted in each nomination award record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One thing that comes to mind is that we could change the way opening sentences are phrased. Instead of the current "1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category" we could say something like "According to the [https://www.thehugoawards.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2023-Hugo-Award-Stats-Final.pdf voting statistics] released [https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/2023-nominating-and-final-ballot-statistics-published/?ref=astrolabe.aidanmoher.com on 2024-01-20], there were 1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category". It's not much, but it would at least clarify which version of the stats our records use. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:20, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I recall that award year notes has been suggested before and there may be a feature request, though I suspect that how the award tables are structured may make this difficult. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, indeed. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", says "Create a new record type for award years. We can call it something like "award year" or "award ceremony". Once we have it, we will be able to add notes to award years. Notes can be used to specify when the awards were announced, when and where they were given, eligibility rules changes, etc." Unfortunately, as you said, it would be fairly time-consuming to implement. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: In any case, I do have one suggestion for the del Rey award record. We currently have the explanation of the non-acceptance of the award noted in the title field of what should be an untitled award. Perhaps we didn't have award level notes at the point that award was added. I feel that the verbiage in the title should be moved to notes and replaced with "untitled". --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: I agree. It's exactly as you said -- award records didn't have a Notes field back then. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kater-Bound ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22308; On all of the web there seems to be only 1 mention of Borgo Press and Kater-Bound together, https://www.lawrenceperson.com/?p=22429, although it does get a handful of hits in a text search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22kater-bound%22+%22borgo%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate. This Archive.org page, https://archive.org/search?query=compton+farewell+bliss&sort=-addeddate, shows 2 editions with one being Borgo but with price on front covered and Kater-Bound sticker on back. Could this be the mysterious Borgo HC mentioned in the book's record? Also, the note about artist is wrong because he's credited on copyright page and back cover, the latter of which can be seen in the cover image. TP PV doesn't respond much so I'm asking on this board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Archive.org copy is a library book, and Kater-Craft does library bindings. I believe it is not uncommon to have a retail hardcover edition and a library-binding hardcover edition of the same book. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:44, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Believe it or not, I have library hardcover versions of Ace Doubles. All should be listed in my opinion. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Miriam Allen de Ford ==<br />
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Per the ''Spaces in Names'' subsection of [[:Template:PublicationFields:Author]], Miriam Allen de Ford should be standardized as {{A|Miriam Allen deFord}}. However, we have a {{A|Miriam Allen de Ford}} alternate name which was recently edited so the notes copy the rules saying it should be standardized. Instead, I propose we merge the alternate name to the canonical name in accordance with the rules. As there are a number of verified pubs, I will point the verifiers to the this discussion, If there are any objections, then we should probably have a Rules and standards discussions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:28, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I guess it would be like calling somebody named MacIntosh being called Mac Intosh. Still, I'll go with the majority. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:58, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::No objection to merging, but I think the actual spelling of the name should be made clear in the notes. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:06, 20 February 2024 (EST).<br />
:::No objection, I had three pubs, two in Croatian language I already corrected, but I have also one in Serbian language. In Serbian language names are written as they are pronounced, in this case same as written. Should I change this one as well? This is publication in question: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2277217 {{unsigned|Debolestis}}<br />
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== Ruben De Anda ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476655; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2552505; Can anyone find proof that these are the same artists? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I don't know. But [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107431 The Galaxy Primes] (Ace 1976) appears also to be signed by R. De Anda. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 08:52, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Probably is but since last name is mostly covered it's hard to tell. PV Willem H. noted that it may be Rafael M. De Soto but I doubt it because he has no original cover credits on ISFDB after 1964 and this book is from 1976. There's a copy on Archive.org which I've added a link to in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Steve Miller: RIP ==<br />
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For those who may not have seen an announcement, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?214 Steve Miller], co-author of the Liaden Universe, et al., died on February 20, 2024 at his home in Maine. His wife, author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?418 Sharon Lee], posted [https://korval.com/2024/02/21/steven-richard-miller-1950-2024/ this obituary]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:41, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I added photo from FantLab which is a little bigger and shows his face better than Fantastic Fiction's photo. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:42, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Last User Activity ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338; What does this mean exactly? There was a question of contacting this PV RedDragonBooks about something related to a mod note I made and checking their page the last answer they gave or contribution they made was in spring of 2022 but the activity at the bottom of the record linked above says a few days ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:03, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:There are two databases: The wiki and the bibliographic database. What you see for User Contributions on their user/talk page is just their Wiki edits. What you see for Last User Activity in the verifiers' list is the date of their last activity in the bibliographic side -- the Wiki software does not know about that, only about the Wiki. That user did some verifications on 2024-02-18 but hasn't posted anything to the wiki in the past couple of years. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:56, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a quick note to clarify that the software that displays the Last User Activity date checks both the Wiki side and the database side. It then displays the latest date that it finds. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ermengarde Fisk = Evelyn E. Smith? ==<br />
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One of my friends pointed me at [https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Oopsla/Oopsla10.pdf#view=Fit issue #10 of the 'zine Oopsla], specifically page 13. The "SHORT STORIES" section says:<br />
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Third goes to another brand-new author, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1254 Evelyn E. Smith] ... is better known to fandom as the pseudonymous authoress of the "New York Letter" column in Slant--yeah, that's right, she's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?266764 Ermengarde Fiske].<br />
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As I don't know what the accuracy of fan writing was like nearly two decades before I was born, I don't know how reliable this info might be. Any objections to varianting these author records? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:49, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: We already have a pseudonym there: Evelyn Smythe (intentional corruption of Evelyn Smyth E.?) which I think is based exactly on the note you cited above. I am not sure if we have enough evidence to connect the two Evelyn E. Smith's though - while very very likely, the name is not very uncommon. Maybe add some notes to both accounts until we find a better proof that the two are one and the same? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:50, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Never mind, I looked at the fanzine itself now - you actually missed the smoking gun while quoting - that award over there is for a story that belongs to Evelyn E. Smith (Tea Tray in the Sky) - so yes, they are the same person. Connect them away. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:54, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== J. Watson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224483; What do you suggest is best to add to differ 1966 Thunderbirds artist from Leading Edge writer/artist? He's on Wikipedia so I'll add that link (as Jim Watson). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: See [[Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name]] for ideas. Looks like "James Watson (1960s)" would work here and might be more helpful than "(I)". The situation is quite similar to the Jame Cooper examples given in that bullet. In light of the disparity in volume between their bibliographies, I think you could treat the James Watson from the 1980s as "more prominent/widely known in the Spec-Fic world" and leave it with no embedded disambiguation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:04, 25 February 2024 (EST)</div>
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{{welcome}} [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:55, 19 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Sündenfall'' ==<br />
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Thank you very much for adding this publication. I had to adapt a few fields to the standards of our little database: <br />
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1) I changed the price to €15.00, which is the standard for Euro prices (and analog for dollars & pounds: no space between the sigle and the value, old german prices would be entered with a space: DM X.XX or M X.XX). <br />
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2) I added the note 'First German edition, first printing' to the book, assuming that this is the case (if it should be a higher printing, please correct the note).<br />
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3) I had to remove the German title series: the series of the original English version has the precedence.<br />
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Finally I added a note of the translator to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1836669 title entry], where it is most meaningful. <br />
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Would you like to variant the german title to the original one? Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:04, 19 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I have put your new submission on hold. Instead I varianted the first title to the original English one. I guess you didn't find the title & the publication of your first submission, so I'm inclined to reject your latest one, as it doesn't add a new printing or edition. (But I'll wait one day waiting for an answer). Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 20 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
:I have now rejected your submission, but I do think that your first was meant the same. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Hallo Christian,<br />
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ich spreche leider nicht sehr viel Englisch, daher kann ich jetzt nicht nachvollziehen, warum mein Eintrag "Sündenfall" gelöscht wurde, ebenso sind meine Kenntnisse bez. Wikis eher marginal.<br />
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Ich sehe gerade, dass der Titel nicht gelöscht wurde, sondern als Variante des englischen Titels dargestellt wird. Ist zwar in meinen Augen nicht optimal, aber wenn es nicht anders funktioniert, dann ist das OK.<br />
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::Hallo, Wolfram! Nicht optimal mag es scheinen, aber so ist die ISFDB nun einmal organisiert (umgekehrt wird eine englische Übersetzung ebenso als Variante des Originals aus einer anderen Sprache eingesetzt). Es ist auch die einzige Möglichkeit, den Überblick zu behalten, insbesondere bei vielübersetzten Autoren. Die Umgangssprache hier ist aber Englisch, da alle [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Moderator_availability Moderatoren] darüber kommunizieren: nur Mut, es muss wirklich nicht perfekt sein (ich werde deswegen zukünftig auch wieder darauf umsteigen, allein damit die anderen in meiner Abwesenheit beurteilen können, was in konkreten Fällen geschehen ist und reagieren können).<br />
::Aufgrund der Organisation der ISFDB musste ich leider auch deine zweite Eingabe ablehnen: wir sind hier auf zwei Ebenen organisiert: Publikationen (ein konkretes Buch oder Heft) & Titel (sozusagen immateriell). Z. B. sind einzelne Stories oder Essays nur durch ihren Titel vertreten, sie tauchen dann mit ihren Titeln in Publikationen auf. Es können aber nun nur Titel zu Varianten anderer Titel gemacht werden, so dass das, was du versuchst, leider nicht funktioniert, da dann ein Titel mit konkreten Informationen zu einer Publikation versehen wäre. Ich werde versuchen, 'deine' Publikation einzugeben, wobei automatisch der zugehörige Titel erzeugt wird, und dann die Varianten in Beziehung zueinander zu setzen. (But from now on it's English). Danke vielmals trotzdem, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Hallo Christian, jetzt bin ich ganz verwirrt, ich habe doch extra den Punkt "Add a Variant Title" gewählt, weil die deutsche Fassung ja eine Variante des englischen Originals ist, wie soll man denn deutsche Übersetzungen mit neuem Titel, anderem Verlag usw. eingeben?<br />
Zum Thema englische Sprache: Wenn ich englisch schreiben müsste, würde ich eine Menge Zeit damit verbringen, überhaupt etwas Lesbares zu erzeugen. In der Zeit könnte ich sinnvollerweise Daten eingeben. Ich kämpfe schon mit der Übersetzung englisch -> deutsch. Gibt es denn ein deutschsprachiges Wiki mit demselben Thema? Wenn es nichts ausmacht, schreibe ich meine Kommentare weiterhin auf deutsch, ansonsten macht es keinen Sinn soviel Zeit zu investieren, ohne produktiv zu sein.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:36, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Google-Übersetzung: Hi Christian , now I 'm confused , I have specially selected the option "Add a Variant Title", because the German version a variant of the English original is, how are you supposed German translations with new titles , including publishing , etc. enter ? On the subject of English language : If I had to write English, I would spend a lot of time thinking about anything readable produce . At the time I could usefully enter data. I fight already with the translation English -> German. Is there a German-language wiki with the same issue? If you do not mind , I write my comments further on German , otherwise it makes no sense to invest so much time without being productive.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7662 this] is a title with 11 variant titles, and about 70 publications (four examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42973 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?261037 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369377 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?473338 here]). A NOVEL is a title that exists only as (our/ISFDBs) concept, a publication in this case is a printing of a book; a book nowadays has an ISBN, a title can't have that, because it's a concept. We have different concepts/types of titles, for example NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, SHORTFICTION, ESSAY etc. I hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 21:02, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Ich verstehe die Problematik nicht. Das Buch "Die Prophezeiung der Steine" von Pamela Freeman, welches ich eingegeben habe, steht doch genau da, wo er sein sollte, als Variante vom Original "Blood Ties"! So ganz verstehe ich das System nicht, ehrlich gesagt. Die englischen Erklärungen helfen mir leider nicht weiter, Danke trotzdem. <br />
I do not understand the problem . The book "Die Prophezeiung der Steine" by Pamela Freeman , which I have entered, you can read it right where it should be, as a variant from the original " Blood Ties " ! So all I do not understand the system , to be honest . Unfortunately, the English explanations do not help me , Thanks anyway .[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Ich habe das Gefühl, dass die Daten nicht von mir stammen, sondern schon vorhanden waren. Ich habe sie aber vor meiner Eingabe über die Suchfunktion nicht gefunden oder falsch gesucht. Ich werde das noch untersuchen. In dem Zusammenhang sind natürlich meine Neu-Eingaben unnötig gewesen.<br />
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I have a feeling that the data do not come from me, but were already present. I have not found before my entry via the search function or wanted wrong. I'll investigate more . Of course, in the context of my New entries have been unnecessary. [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Ken Scholes ==<br />
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Hello, just in case, I've approved your "update" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?47571 this author] but it didn't change anything as you didn't modify any field in your submission. What were you trying to do? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:00, 7 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Hallo, I don't have changed anything, I don't know, what's happened [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:34, 9 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Perhaps an involuntary click or <enter>, no problem. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:24, 9 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::Suggestion : Such empty entries should be ignored by the system.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:30, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Canticle by Scholes ==<br />
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I rejected your submission to delete [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?485112 this record]. Why do you believe it should not be in the database? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I wanted delete only the Cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1047683 left Picture], because it is twice. It doesn't exist a reference to the associated ebook.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Your submission would have deleted the publication record for the ebook edition. If you wish to remove the cover image, choose the "Edit This Pub" function under the Editing Tools menu. Then remove the URL in the "Image URL" field. Before doing this you should do a primary verification of the record so that the moderator knows that you actually have a copy of this publication and can confirm that there is no cover art associated with it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding cover images to publications ==<br />
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First, an explanation: the publication by Freeman was added by me after I rejected your title varianting.<br />
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When you have uploaded an image for a publication, you need to edit that publication to enter the destination URL to the field 'Image URL' (you find this URL by clicking on the blue enhanced (clickable) field just below the uploaded image. Just try it! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:28, 17 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I hope, now its alright. How can I upload the Back-Side of the Cover without overwriting the existing front cover?[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:54, 18 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
:There is only one cover image per book. In cases of wrap-around art, users will typically scan it all (easier to do if it's a cover jacket) as in {{P|344712|this example}}. You can also scan both sides separately and then combine in an image editing program as in {{P|1998|this example}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:21, 18 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Der Tänzer der Schatten'' ==<br />
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As before with ''Sündenfall'' I had to repeat the first two items (correct standard ISFDB price in Euro, adding the basic information on edition and printing) for the publication, and the third one (dropping the german title series). <br />
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I'm not sure about the german synopsis. Usually, there's only the possibility to add english ones, but as this is only a variant german title, it may stay until another moderator decides to drop it (which may actually occur, so maybe it'd be better to start a discussion at the help desk, before submitting other non-english texts). <br />
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The german title still has to be varianted to the English original. Would you like to try?<br />
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Thanks for contributing! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:41, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but I had to reject your latest submission. It should be varianted to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1336615 original English title]. If you take a look at the URL bar or at the top right corner of this title, you'll find in both cases the title's number at ISFDB, 1336615. This is the number you should enter into the box 'Parent #' when varianting. Would you like to try it again? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:24, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I have clicked the wrong Button, now it must be OK.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:32, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Schattenklinge'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! Thanks for adding that item. It turned out that it was the first book for ISFDB by this author who we had overlooked so far. As there is an original title series, the german one had to be dropped. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 25 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Stonecreek, I know, that it exist an english title series, but I hope everytime that my title will be accept with the german title, another mod accept this way with independently german series! For a german user it is easier to find a german title, if it exist the german title series. I mean, something is missing. In my opinion, there is a need for action.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:47, 25 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
::As soon as there is an original title series, any variant title series will be deleted (overwritten). Only the variant titles of individual novels or other title types can have their individual languages.<br />
::Thanks for adding the further volumes in the title series. As they are American publications I had to replace the Euro price with the original US-$ list prices, which can be found at amazon.com. I also replaced the notes on sources with the standard, which is much more eye-friendly (and the sources wouldn't link to amazon, anyway). Thanks again for adding those! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:23, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Unfortunately, the ISFDB software prevents a variant title from having a different series than its parent title. If you give the German variant a different series name, the system will create a new series. But the moment you variant the German title to the English title, the series data in the German title record is overwritten with the data from the English title record. The German series will remain in the database, but will be titleless, waiting for someone (like me) to find it and delete it. If you strongly feel that the software should be changed to allow different series names for different languages, you should start a discussion on the [[ISFDB:Rules and standards discussions]] page. Keep in mind, that even though non-English publications are eligible for inclusion in the database, all other aspects of the database are required to be in English. <br />
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:::BTW, if another moderator accepted your submission that contained a German titled series, it was because he was unaware that it was to be varianted to an English title, or was aware that it wouldn't make a difference since it would be overwritten anyway. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:03, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Hello stonecreek,<br />
:::: Perhaps the link should refer to amazon.com.<br />
:::: How can I make the links eye-friendly, I don't can see any Difference of the spelling between original display and edited text (http://www.amazon.de/Mindbender-David-A-Wells/dp/1468102494/ref=tmm_pap_title_0), do you understand, what I mean?[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:38, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, as I see it there's no need to establish a special link as they are provided for publications with an ISBN on the left tool bar.<br />
:::::I rejected your change of price since the prices at amazon.com are not fixed, but vary over time. We record the list price that can usually be found there in the top right corner. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hello Christian, thanks for the tip, I've found the list price.<br />
::::::My remarks to the links have done himself, it was a communication error.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Die Elfen'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?498712 this publication]: A 2004 publication wouldn't have an ISBN-13. If your copy has a stated ISBN-13, it is probably a later printing. By "10th Edition" do you mean the 10th printing? If so, you should zero out the publication date to "0000" which will be displayed as "undated". Unless your copy actually has a stated publication date. You should also adjust the Note field to state which information comes from Deutsche Nationalbibliothek, if it doesn't come from the book itself.<br />
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I will create a record for the 2004 first printing giving data from the OCLC record. (I also had to add Sullivan as author in the title record, as only Hennen was credited. If you change the author credit of a publication record, you must also change the author credit of the title record to match it exactly.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:40, 25 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: In principle I use ever the ISBN-13, because every Book can assigned this one, although at the time of publication don't exist an ISBN-13. If that is not ISFDB conform I will take into account.<br />
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:"10th Edition" means in german "10. '''Auflage'''. This informationen I have assumed from the cover of the book. <br />
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:The note field have I corrected.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:11, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::It is ISFDB policy to record the ISBN that's stated in the actual publication. If both are present, you should enter the ISBN-13. If none are present, the field should be blank, even if a later printing added an ISBN. Just because an ISBN-13 can be created from any ISBN-10 doesn't mean someone should arbitrarily give the ISBN-13 for books published before the ISBN-13 even existed. The software takes the data as entered, then displays the alternate ISBN in squared brackets, thus indicating which ISBN is stated and which one is derived. <br />
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::More to original question: Is your copy the 10th printing? (I'm not sure if the the English definition of "edition" is the same as the German one.) If so, it probably wasn't published in November 2004. That's the date of the first edition. What publication date, if any, is given in your copy? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I believe, this publication ist the '''First Edition 10th printing''', the year of printing is 2006. Original text is: "10. Auflage...Originalausgabe 11/2004...Copyright 2004 dieser Ausgabe by Wilhelm Heyne Verlag...Printed in Germany 2006". [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::The date of a publication record should be the printing date, not the date of the first edition. So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?498712 the record] for your copy should be dated 2006, with a Note that it is the 10th printing of the 2004 edition. This is standard ISFDB practice. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:35, 28 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I will modify this, thanks for your patience with a german newbee [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Series data in variant titles ==<br />
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You should remove the series data in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1850009 this record], and the link to a commercial website (Amazon). The webpage field in title records should be linked to webpages dedicated to the work, not a sales website. There are links to such sites on the publication record. Thanks. 19:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]<br />
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== ''Quest'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! I had to reject your submission to delete one publication of this title. First, it is etiquette to ask any active primary verifier(s) before changing any fields or for most if you add something new immediately after adding (for me, it's okay if you add some notes or correct the price without notifying me). In this case the verified publication was the fourth printing of that edition, the other one is not primary verified, but is intended for the first printing. (I had made the same mistake when I began). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Hello Christian, I remember, that I've corrected one evident typing error and delete one space. I am surprised and I don't know that we must ask for this minor edit the <br />
: primary verifier or do you mean another case? In Future I'll be more cautious.<br />
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:Quest: # 411539: I can see Notes: From the fourth printing...<br />
: # 411540: I can see Notes: 4. Auflage...<br />
: It seems the same data? The Year is 2005, the only difference of both publications is the Month of printing. But the same 4th printing and two different dates is imho implausible.<br />
: I believe, I must learn better english to understand your explanation.:-)<br />
: Also thanks for your patience with a german newbee. [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:28, 30 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::As stated in the Welcome section above:<br />
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::''Please be careful in editing publications that have been [[Help:How to verify data|primary verified]] by other editors. See [[Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs]]. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See [[Help:How to verify data]] for detailed information.''<br />
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::Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:21, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I quote:"If you are changing substantive data '''(not changing a blank to a non-blank field)''', it is usually a good idea to ask the verifier in advance."<br />
::: I've corrected one evident typing error and delete one space. These changes are not relevant, in this case is a note to the primary verifier in my opinion not useful, because we are wasting time and resources, in all another cases the rule should be respected. If my interpretation of your rule is wrong, please correct me. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:00, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, basically you're right. Correcting a typo in the Note field doesn't require PV notification. But if you're changing ''anything'' (typo or not) in any of the other fields, you should discuss it with the PV editor before doing it. Once you have taken the time and effort to create several hundred publication records and verify them, you may more fully appreciate the notification etiquette. You wouldn't want later editors to come along and change your records without the courtesy of informing you first. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Short summary: Correcting a typo in the note fields without notification is okay, in any other fields I must inform the verifier, also for example the changing of € 10 in €10 (cancel one space, how it is usual and rule) in the price field? I will do it gladly, but I can't understand the logic.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:49, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Notification of removing a space to conform to the ISFDB standard is not necessary. You're not really changing the data or even correcting a typo, you're conforming to standard. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:10, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: If I look at this discussion, I ask myself, why we discuss generally this? Everything was made almost right. Let us enter some data to the database, it seems to me more productive. Thanks for your information. I wish you a nice day.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Remark: If the discussion refers to my suggestion to delete the publication "Quest", then you're right. This point was not aware to me.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Series data in variant titles, again ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1851314 this record]: please do not add series data to records for titles which will be varianted to another title. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:19, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I'm also uncertain that the synopsis should be in German. Even though we allow non-English language publications into the database, I believe the records themselves must be in English. I'll ask for a clarification of this matter on the Community portal. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:25, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I've removed the synopsis based on a ruling made on the Community portal. Also, when using another source's synopsis, please provide the source as part of the synopsis. (In English, of course.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1851314 this record] I've added the original english series title "Strange Threads", where is the problem, is it a problem of the software?<br />
:: Now, I understand it so: A German translated publication should be added without series data, also without the original english series title?[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:51, 2 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::This has nothing to do with language. The series data of the parent record is automatically displayed in the series data of the variant record, regardless of the language. Adding series data to a new publication record whose title has yet to be varianted to its parent will cause an error until a subsequent submission that creates the variant. Once that submission has been accepted, it doesn't matter because the software discards any series data that was provided in the original submission. That means you're taking the time to add data that will never be used. So if you know that the title record of a new publication will eventually have to be varianted to another title record, don't bother adding series data to the original submission, regardless of the language. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:27, 3 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Das Wispern der Schatten'' ==<br />
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Thanks for adding this item! For the series title: you don't have to enter it, as it will be replaced as soon as the title is varianted (which I have already done here), and '1st' or 'First' is the correct English term. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:26, 2 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Ein dunkler Funke '' ==<br />
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You verified what looks like two identical records for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1853630 this title]. If that was in error, and the editions are identical, please delete one of them. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:23, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Indeed, it is the same, I've deleted one. I don't know, why it appeared twice, perhaps a wrong click?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Sarah Marie Keller ==<br />
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Do you know if she was born after October 1990? If not, her birth country should be entered as West Germany. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I will ask her, but she don't want to say her birthday. BTW for me it was ever Germany and not west or east!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::But both parts were in fact two different legal entities, we do reflect the historical facts, whether they were to ones liking or not (so that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120109 this author] was even born in Germany, somewhat ridiculously to our eyes). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:40, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: It seems historical correct, where he was born. The "DDR" has been recognized as a State not 100 percent from the "BRD". But I don't want to start a political diskussion.<br />
::: I note, that in ISFDB exist two german states for a while, it is ok.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::The ISFDB has nothing to do with the existence of two German states. We only record a person's birthplace as that at the time of their birth. It's not a political matter at all. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:37, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: What I mean is, that in ISFDB it is a difference between East Germany and West Germany (in case of birth), without any political background, but for me in West and in East there had lived and now lives both german people, it is easier for me to say Germany than East Germany or West Germany, without political points.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:09, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Translator ==<br />
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Hi. Just a small language hint for your submissions: the English word for "Übersetzer" is "translator", not "translater". Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 20:32, 16 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: "Translater" will also used, but rarely, I've corrected these submissions or have I forgotten something? If you find more wrong words, then tell me, please. I'm living in Germany and understand the English language only a little bit. I will make further mistakes. The Google-Translator ist not the best way to translate! Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:22, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: No problem, just try as good as you can, and mistakes can always be corrected :). By the way: another good source to look up a translation (not of a whole text, but of a word) is http://www.dict.cc. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 14:48, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Yes, I know this site, but the problem is less the single word but the complete sentences in context. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:18, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Die letzte Rune ==<br />
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Hello, I've regularized the publisher to Droemer Knaur for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?515740 this pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks, I've already seen, that Knaur don't exist in your database.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover image for ''Der Greif'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. Please use the 'Upload new cover scan' button when you want to add a cover image. This way the legal template is automatically added, which we need to avoid legal conflicts for violations of the copyright (I have done it for this book). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Christian, I've used the button "Upload new cover scan", I don't understand, what is wrong?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Well, since I didn't see your submission to add the cover image I am sorry that I can't tell you what went wrong. Anyway, I used your cover image to upload anew, so all seems okay now. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Hello Christian, I don't understand, what is happen, and that is not satisfying for me. The image must already be uploaded, because you have access to the picture! The next step is to edit the pub and there to enter the link to the picture in the field "Image URL", then click on the button "Submit Changed Data". Is this ok? When yes, than I don't know where it has damped.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::Ah, this is a 'special' feature: you should refresh your display, then you should be able to see it also (I still don't understand why this is needed in the case of cover images). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::: I don't understand anything, what is a "special feature", how, where, what? Please, explain it more accurately. I've uploaded more than one picture the same way, without problems, and now...?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::This 'special' feature is a problem that everyone eventually encounters, me too. But the picture is there with the publication, are you still not able to see it (and if so, have you refreshed your browser display)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::I have just found out that there already was another title entry for ''Der Greif'' without a cover image and you may have looked onto the corresponding publication. I have merged the two titles. Maybe that has been the cause of the problem. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::: I've nothing understand from the beginning of this discussion, but if now all is clear than everything is well. Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::::When you enter a new publication the entry for the title is automatically produced by the software. This has happened with ''Der Greif'' before your submission for the first publication from 1989, so that there also were two title entries. Now there's only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1817068 one] which lists the two publications. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: Hello Christian, so it's correct, but I mean, that I've looked for an existing entry before I entered my submission, but couldn't find one, curiously. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:18, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Der Greif'' ==<br />
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In the light of the older publication the statement 'Version: 1st German edition' for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516194 verified book] seems to be false. It may stem from amazon, which is not a reliable source for such statements: in short, they want to sell, not establish a reliable bibliography. Woukd you like to remove that statement? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Christian, the data are from the book I own, but on the page of copyright stated "'''Taschenbuch'''erstausgabe" or similar, I don't know exactly, cause I've only tomorrow access to the book. I will look and then remove or correct the note. The problem is that the book is a tp (trade paperback) and not a pb (paperback), but on copyright page is it a "1st German paperback edition". That does not fit together. I will report tomorrow.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Stated on copyright page: "Taschenbucherstausgabe 10/2000", I've corrected my note in "1st German paperback edition". Is this ok?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, but than you should change the binding to pb. It is confusing: An English paperback is called 'Taschenbuch' in German, and an English trade paperback is often called paperback in Germany. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:10, 22 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: In ISFDB is a book with the width of 115 mm (exact: 114,3 mm = 4,5" * 2,54) a '''tp'''. I cannot change the rules.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:07, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Ovaron ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold for this title. Are you sure that "Die Cappins" is a publication series? IMHO it looks more like a "fiction" series (that is a series that is located at title level). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Hello, it seems not quite right. Perry Rhodan is a German SF series of magazines, at this time exist about 2800 titles (First print). The publisher decided to publish a hardcover version, one book of this version contains the text of 5 - 8 magazine titles. 3 - 13 books are a cycle. The title "Ovaron" is the 4th book of the 7th cycle called "Die Cappins" and is the 48th book of the main series "Perry Rhodan" look [http://www.perrypedia.proc.org/wiki/Silberb%C3%A4nde here]. I don't know where I should place the information about the cycle and cycle#.<br />
:Short: Main series "Perry Rhodan" #48 -> sub series "Die Cappins" 7th cycle #4-> title "Ovaron". Please give me a tipp, what to do, thanks. Perhaps I should use the field "Notes", but this is not perfect.<br />
:In ISFDB similar publications appear below Pub. Series: Perry Rhodan, Pub. Series#: 36 like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514697 here], but there is no information about the cycle.<br />
:There are two different versions, the Blue edition with 2D blue cover and the Silver edition with 3D silver cover with the same text.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
::I'm going to direct your questions [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Question_about_the_ordering_of_the_Perry_Rhodan_Universe here] and approve your submission with the adequate modifications. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've put the title series ''PR Zyklus 7: Die Cappins'' into the title's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1863867 data]. This series is a sub-series of ''Perry Rhodan''. I also changed the title's date to 1994-05-00 as it was published then the first time (according to perrypedia).<br />
:::Two questions remain: 1) As far as I know, this edition wasn't published by Pabel-Moewig, but seems to be a book club edition published by Bertelsmann. Is Pabel-Moewig really the stated publisher? 2) Horst Hoffmann is stated as the editor (and author of the connections between the novellas) at perrypedia. Isn't he mentioned anywhere in your book? Thanks for taking a second look, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:41, 8 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hello Christian, I believe it is my error. Stated on copyright page: Ungekürzte Buchgemeinschafts-Lizenzausgabe der Bertelsmann Club GmbH, Rheda-Wiedenbrück der Bertelsmann Medien (Schweiz) AG...<br />
::::Further at the bottom: Alle Rechte vorbehalten 1994 by Verlagsunion Erich Pabel-Arthur Moewig KG ...Redaktion: Horst Hoffmann. At last: Printed in Germany 1997--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::So, would you like to submit the changes for the publication? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:13, 10 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I will try it, but I must understand the structure of Pub. Series and general structure of ISFDB database, there are still deficits. Z. B. belongs a Pub. Series only to one publisher? It's my opinion that "Ovaron" belongs to the Pub. Series "Perry Rhodan" by Bertelsmann, is this correct or am I wrong? The Pub. Series # 48 belongs to the series "Perry Rhodan". The publication should appear [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1833 here]. I will enter my submission and then we will see...--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Horst Hoffmann is not an author of this publication, "editorial staff" is the correct designation--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yes, usually a pub. series belongs to one publisher. In this case the numbering of publications at some point differs, because Bertelsmann published the last half of the fourth cycle ('Die Blues'), which Pabel-Moewig didn't in the silver edition of 'Perry Rhodan'. For these reasons it would be better to rename the Bertelsmann series into something like 'Bertelsmann Perry Rhodan' or 'Perry Rhodan (Bertelsmann)'. Which seems better? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:11, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: My suggestion is to rename the existing series title Perry Rhodan (by Pabel-Moewig) in "Perry Rhodan Silver Edition" and Perry Rhodan (by Bertelsmann) in "Perry Rhodan Blue Edition". Btw I'm unhappy about the series name "PR Zyklus 7: Die Cappins". This series includes only the magazines of Perry Rhodan, at least must appear the series # 4, But this is a bit confusing. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:28, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::For title series we are a bit more free, but '''A Publication series is a group of publications marked out by the publisher in some way''' (from the help pages). As the only name used by the Publisher is 'Perry Rhodan', we somehow have to stick to that. An example for a difference between two pub. series named identical is ''Perry Rhodan Planetenromane'' published by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34608 Pabel-Moewig].<br />
:::::::For the reason of putting the books into the title series of cycles, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLochhas#Perry_Rhodan_fix-ups this idea behind it]. They really belong to the cycles as they tell the same story, only somewhat shorter. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:39, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Btw the pub. series by Bertelsmann also is called "Perry Rhodan". Why we cannot rename both series? If we must exact use the printed series title, consequently we cannot name the Bertelsmann series "Bertelsmann Perry Rhodan" or similar. Btw what means "fix-up"?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:09, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: We do need to establish a difference. Just consider we wouldn't add the publisher to all pub. series that are just called 'Fantasy' (or 'Science Fiction', 'Horror' etc.), and as the numeration differs between Pabel-Moewig and Bertelsmann, we would really get into a kind of chaos after #69 where the contents of the numbered novels begin to differ.<br />
:::::::::A fix-up novel is a novel that is usually put together from several shortfictions, most often by clipping some material and adding some more text that links the parts. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:38, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: It's clear, my suggestion is still "Perry Rhodan Blue Edition" for the Bertelsmann edition, is this all right?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:52, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but as I explained above this is not within the rules of ISFDB for publication series, since there's no indication that the publisher referred to the series in that way. We already have series like 'Goldmann Science Fiction' or 'Knaur Science Fiction' that are marked only 'Science Fiction' by the publisher, but would be all part of one publication series, if we would drop the publisher. So, we cling to a publication series as close as possible, but we still need to make a differnece. For that reason I'll reject your submission and ask one more time about a possible name. <br />
:It's a similar case for authors. Just search for Ian McDonald and you'll see that we also have to make some adjustments for authors with the same name. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:40, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Then I suggest "Perry Rhodan (Bertelsmann)", look above.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:08, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::Fine, that would have also been my first choice. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:20, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::It was your suggestion.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 07:16, 18 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! It seems there are new developments. I have seen the corresponding book published by Pabel-Moewig in a secondhand book shop and there was no credit for Hoffmann and the other authors. Our standard is to put 'uncredited' in the author field and then variant to the actual author. (This was also the case in all other books I took a look into, also some published by Bertelsmann). So, if in your verified book there's also no credit, would it be okay if I take the necessary steps? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Christian, the infos about the different authors have I seen on perrypedia (please look to the notes). On page 7 and 8 Horst Hoffmann mentioned Ewers, Kneifel, Voltz and Darlton as author from the corresponding booklets. It's ok, if you must change this. Thanks. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:54, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Oh, yes, the introduction. What's its exact title (likely it's 'Vorwort' or 'Einführung')? And on which page does the novel begin, is it p. 9? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:34, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::And would you prefer a note on the credit for Ewers, Kneifel, Voltz and Darlton and let this credit stay with the book or shall it better be uncredited? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:36, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Hello Christian, I don't exactly understand what you mean. I prefer an additional note e.g. "Authors stated on page #7, #8" on the "Title Record" (if it is possible) and on "Publication Record". More information later at home. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:19, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::I must change some data. It has to be called: In the "Vorwort": Authors stated on page #5, #6. Then follows on page #7 the "Zeittafel", then on page #9 "Prolog" and last on page #11 begins part one of the novel.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 20:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::The "Prolog" would be considered as part of the novel, so I have changed the book accordingly. Please take a look if all is now in order. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:17, 27 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::: I must sort my notes (following my own rules of notes), but now it's ok. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:16, 31 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Das blaue Portal ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but it seems to me that both publications [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1972797 here] are for the same book. What is your opinion? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Hello I don't know, what is happened, my last two submissions appeared twice, you are right, it is the same publication. I will delete one of it.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:08, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Printed in Germany 2006 for a May 2007 publication ==<br />
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Yes, it's possible: maybe the publisher waited for a special date of publication (or maybe it's just a misspelling for 2007). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:07, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:OK.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Strasse der Plünderer ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submissions for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1996247 this title] but it seems to me that the result are two strictly similar publications. What are your thoughts on the matter? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, to me it looks like a doublette. Perhaps you submitted it twice by accident? <br />
:You should also consider two additional thoughts: 1) The translator may be added to the publication, but the credit even more belongs to the title. This is extremely helpful for cases where a translation is published again under a different title (see this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428 example]) or different translations are published under the same title, like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1511 here] for 'Unternehmen Schwerkraft'. 2) The publication(s) seem to belong to this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1489 pub. series]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::I don't know what happens, all my new submissions appear twice, e. g. look above.<br><br />
::The publication could belong to "Bastei Lübbe Fantasy", look to the publisher code 20614, I will correct it.<br><br />
::My opinion is, that the Translator belongs only to the publication, but I must think about it.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC).<br />
:::IIRC a recent ruling states that the translator must be given at title level (as said above it's in order to avoid merging two similarly titled translations by different translators). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Les/Lee Gibbons ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, can you confirm the name of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?236297 this artist], it's perhaps a typo for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25999 this one]. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:49, 12 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Hauck, in all Weltbild publications, which I bought recently the name is LES GIBBONS, e.g. in "Die Bücher der Wahrheiten" by Dawn Cook, "Der Orden der edlen Krieger" by William Nicholson and "Die Insel der Stürme" by Heide Solveig Göttner.The original text on copyright page is: "Einbandgestaltung: Nele Schütz Design, München unter Verwendung eines Motivs von Les Gibbons". But Weltbild published several false data, e. g. wrong original title on copyright page, perhaps it is really a typo, but not from me. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:29, 12 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for having a look, I'll let matters stay this way. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:12, 13 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the publication series & no. to ... ==<br />
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... [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521710 In fremderen Gezeiten]. Cheers, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:39, 2 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Christian, thanks, I hope, I will do it myself in future.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 3 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Der Feldzug'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. We alread have two publications of this novel that appear to be the same and I have yet a submission for a third on hold. Is there somethin I am missing? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:29, 21 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Christian, I've suggest only '''one''' submission, no idea what is happened. You can delete the other two.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:42, 21 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Must be a browser problem.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:49, 22 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Double submission ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/myrecent.cgi?0+N here] appears my submission two times, I don't know, why? It's not the first time.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unter Dieben ==<br />
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Hello, I've put one of your submission on hold for this title as it seems to be a duplicate [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?595982 of the one that led to this pub]. I'm also surprised that you set the flags "Nongenre" and "graphic" to yes for a title that is perhaps a translation of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232929 this one]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:20, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Hauck, please look at the post above. I don't know why my submission appears two times, it is not my input. As well I don't have set these flags! You are right, it is the German translation from the title "Among Thieves". It seems to be a Browser problem (Firefox).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, I saw the previous threads. I've changed the flags (there seems to be a bug) and rejected your extra submission. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:59, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:10, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rune der Knechtschaft ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I am trying to figure out if {{P|595851|Rune der Knechtschaft}} is just the first novel or the whole "Les trois lunes de Tanjor" series (collected in French in "Ayesha: La légende du peuple turquoise series". Can you check your book? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 20:06, 7 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Anniemod, stated on copyright page "Ayesha. La Légende du Peuple turquoise", copyright der Originalausgabe 2005. But it is the first part of the German series "Die Legende von Ayesha". Further parts are 2. "Pakt der Könige" and 3. "Volk der Verbannten". It is no omnibus like shown by isfdb?! It seems to belong to "Le peuple turquoise" part one of the original french series.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:45, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Don't you love vague translator notes? :) So the question now becomes if the German publisher split the whole thing into the same 3 parts as the original French edition (in which case your book is a translation of {{T|1982038|Le peuple turquoise}} or if they got creative and did a different split. If you think that it is exact match, I can variant the French and the German title (and then the German series will need to become a publication series). What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 17:23, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::New mod?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 20:20, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: Hm, what? [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 23:35, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::: Are you a new isfdb moderator? I don't have seen you in the list.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:23, 10 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Nope. Just an editor trying to connect orphaned translations. :) [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 19:20, 10 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Gärten des Mondes ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but this makes now three similar titles: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2160001 the one just created] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20728 two there]. Can you have a look to see if there's not some merging to do? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Hauck, I will take a look, but first I must read the rules...--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: Done--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::I've approved your submission, thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:42, 9 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?522503 Die Einhornpirsch] ==<br />
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I added the publication series (and no.) to this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:52, 23 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Der magische Dorn ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you verify which is the original title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?614837 Der magische Dorn]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Community Portal Edit ==<br />
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Hi, <br />
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It seems like your last edit in the Community portal was based on an older version of the page and it wiped out the conversations from the last few days. I've restored those and copied your comment back in the conversation where it belongs.<br />
[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:11, 22 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanvalet and Star Wars ==<br />
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I accepted all but one of your submissions to add Star Wars as the publication series to the Blanvalet publications. I realize other moderators had already accepted some of these, but I must ask if Star Wars is truly a Blanvalet series, and if those numbers are true series numbers. 36470 (for example), does not look like a series number (I doubt they have 36000 different Star Wars books), but rather a catalogue number. I am wondering if these are simply "Star Wars" universe titles (that, is a "Star Wars..." title series) and are not part of any Blanvalet publication series. I notice on the randomhouse.de site, Star Wars is presented with a trademark: "Star Wars&trade;", and I doubt Random House owns that trademark. My German is not good enough for me to understand everything on the website. Let me know what you think. I can also ask a German-speaking moderator for help.<br />
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For the submission that I have on hold, I realize including the "Star Wars" on this one is inconsistent with the way the others have been recorded, but you should notify the primary verifier of your proposed change and give him a chance to agree or disagree.<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:59, 23 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:I'd also say that 'Star Wars' is only the reference to the title series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:07, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:I'm in the process of removing this publication series. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:09, 25 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Hello MartyD, the changes have been undone by moderator, I agree to Christians opinion, there is no more reason to discuss, but the term "Star Wars" should be a part of the title or belongs to the notes as series title (or title series?). Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:58, 29 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:::My goal was to get you to notify the primary verifier. Your change to remove the "Star Wars:" from the title is ok, and it makes the title consistent with how the other titles in that series have been handled. I will approve your change, fix the related title, and notify Stoecker. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:20, 3 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: To notify Stoecker is no problem (but Stoecker don't answer, as far as I know), but I thought with introduce the new button "My Changed Primary Verifications" we don't need to notify? Furthermore when I take a look to my changed pubs I see many submitter, who not notify, too. Equal rights for all:-)? But I've no problem to do this in future.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:08, 4 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:::::You should check with the verifier before changing information that is already present, unless the verifier has talk page instructions telling you otherwise. In practice, minor, presentation-only changes, such as capitalization and punctuation, usually go without notice. In theory, you should also notify verifiers of additions you make, but more people let the "My Changed Primary Verifications" mechanism handle that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:10, 4 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::: It seems, we have a problem with the discipline of users submissions.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:15, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== CreateSpace ==<br />
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I may be telling you something you already know... but according to discussions [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#What_counts_as_a_publication_for_an_e-book.3F here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Defining_.22Publisher.22_in_a_self-publishing_world here], CreateSpace isn't a publisher, but rather a printing and production service (a subsidiary of Amazon, which is probably why they insist on naming it in the "publisher" space on their pages). So we don't list it as a publisher here. Therefore, I'm going to change all of your verified publications that list it -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?582823 Kristallgeboren] and maybe others I haven't found yet. Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:04, 23 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:As there was no positive answer on that item by Wolfram, and the outcome of the discussions was inconclusive, I have restored the publisher and removed the note on data sources (the amazon link seems to be to a slightly different edition). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:06, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Also, could you please take a look at the assigned copyright, Wolfram? As per today, at amazon the author's name is now Jutta Ahrens and the copyright is assigned for the year 2017 to her. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:22, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hello, I couldn't answer, because I don't get a message. As well I've a real life, too, I cannot always answer immediately. Thanks for your understanding.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:14, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Hello Christian, © 2016 J. B. Eyries (asirdahan@icloud.com) stated on the copyright page, perhaps a pseudonym? The cover at Amazon ist another version of my book cover--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:23, 25 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Verlag: Independently published (but this is no publisher). Therefore is CreateSpace not correct, I don't have read the discussions about this theme, I will do it, if I have a lot of time, but not today.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:41, 25 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?625129 Conan] anthology ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. I'd think your latest addition (thanks for it!) should be regarded as pb (not as a tp). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:08, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Hello Christian, pb max. length x width = 184 x 114 mm. This publication is 180 x '''115''' mm -> tp.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:45, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::As most books published in this pub. series it still is regarded as paperback (Heyne speaks of 'Taschenbuch'). Our help page speaks of 11.5cm (= 115 mm). I'll try to work out the month of the first printing and change the publication. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:49, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Hello Christian, on the help page I can read "For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"" or have I misunderstood?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:08, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::Well, that means that this is the limit / border. As the book is smaller in height this fact means that it is to be regarded as a paperback. Aside from that, I think that European paperbacks may vary in definition. For example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34897 this publisher's] books have a quite higher height than other paperbacks. All the books published in the first decades of activity by ''Rowohlt Taschenbuch'' are referred to as pbs nevertheless, as history and the publisher's name do suggest (as are several others by more European / German publishers). <br />
::::I have changed the publication (this way it was also easier to change the dates of the original German appearances for the individual contents). Please do variant the items to their originals. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:00, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::: Hello Christian, and what is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?609898 this], pb, too? We must look at all Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy books, to verify wheather it is pb or tp. But my opinion is, if Height '''or''' width is larger than the limit, then it is tp. Can you tell me, where I can read your definition in the rules, perhaps we must modify the rules? Easier is to change the limit for pb to max. 111 mm (with tolerance max. 116 mm), that is the solution for the most borderline tps/pbs by Heyne. What do you mean with "...do variant the items to their originals"? By the way, 7.25" = 18.415 mm--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:14, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::The problem is that paperback has a slightly different meaning than ''Taschenbuch'' (= pocket book), the latter meaning that it has to fit into a pocket (of trousers or a shirt). Nevertheless it is the German equivalent of the English / American paperback.<br />
::::::Thanks for catching the Kress novel, it does seem to have been assigned a false binding (likely because that part was taken from amazon, which should always be the last possible source for data: the older the publication the more amazon is likely to fail on all or part of the data). <br />
::::::The items (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2227371 this one]) still have to be varianted to their original titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:22, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Another thing: Is the art really by Bruck? It does seem to be identical to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7653 original artwork] by Frazetta. Is there any signing on the cover (as with the original piece)? Thanks for looking, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Hello Christian, I variant automatically after my last input (usually picture upload) and approving by moderator, you wrote '''items''' instead '''this item''', I was confused (blackout?), I've missunderstood it, because I've seen no context with our discussion about tp.<br />
:::::::pb or tp: I think a note about this is necessary in the rules. If it is enough to classify as pb, if one dimension is smaller than limit (and the other one larger...), it should be mentioned! Otherwise I'm not convinced that your opinion is right, but this is a matter of definition.<br />
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:::::::Stated on copyright page: "Umschlagbild: Herbert Bruck", there are no further information. You are right, both illustrations are similarly, but not identically. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:10, 13 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Well, all the things we wrote about have to do with the ''Conan'' anthology. I really meant items, as all the shortfictions of the anthology are not varianted to their original titles.<br />
:::::::: From time to time it happens that an artist copies the original art (as seems to have happened here). Maybe it would be better if you add a note to the publication? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:11, 13 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I didn't know, that I must variant all shortfictions, I will do it soon. A note above the "really" cover artist would be speculative, the only fact I know is stated on the copyright page, black on white. I have to think about it.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:25, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::I've rejected the joint credit to Bruck & Frazetta, let the speculations be speculations (your note is IMHO enough). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:40, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::The note is online. The first think is ever the better think.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:14, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Story lengths (Conan) ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, I've put your submission to change back (it's me that corrected them) the lengths of these texts [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2227369 Im Saal der Toten] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2227373 Die Stadt der Schädel]. Your submission would have the effect to have different lengths for the original text and for the translated one. To the best of my knowledge one of our presently unwritten rule is that the translation inherits its length from the parent, regardless of its "real" length (variations in length beetwen some languages being quite well known, a given text being for example significantly longer in german or french than in english, typically by 20%). There was some quite heated discussion on the subject due to the possible transition of books from the CHAPBOOK category to NOVEL when translated. As usual, it went nowhere and no clear decision was made except that the more vocal option was that (IIRC) novella-length texts that became novel-length in translation should still be treated as novellas. It may be interesting for you to bring the matter on the R&S page. Good luck. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:26, 18 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Hello Hauck, I did not know this unwritten rule, but my opinion and surely the opinion from the most database maker is that we only submit real, correct data. I'm wondering that here on the one hand we discuss every little thing on the other hand we manipulate data. Fact is, I can count e. g. 23 pages (Die Stadt der Schädel) then it is real a novelette and not a short story! All other interpretations have nothing to do with databases.<br />
: I probably don't start a new discussion, because my English is not so good, that I can represent my opinion reasonable. This is too tiring and time consuming.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:45, 19 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Well, I was also thinking along your lines (we're here to transcribe the strict reality) but alas it seems that it's not entirely our way of doing thing (a fact that I deplore). I've released your submission just in case another moderator has a more clear opinion on the subject. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:47, 19 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks, I ask myself, whether we need the distinction between short story, novelette and novella? Less is sometimes better than more.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:28, 20 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::It seems to me that our american users are quite fond of this separation, IMHO it's because of the main award's structure. Here (in France) we usually only distinguish between short fiction and novel.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:39, 20 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::: This is my opinion, too.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:26, 21 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Michael Whelau ==<br />
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Hi, I saw you are the verifier of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629241 Die Königin des Chaos], where Michael Whelau is given as cover artist. As it differs only in one position, could it be a typo for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1804 Michael Whelan]?--~~<br />
: My suspicion got confirmed at [http://www.chpr.at/buecher/m/moorcomb.htm Bibliographie deutschsprachiger Science Fiction-Stories und Bücher (3rd hit 'chaos' on that page)].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:11, 13 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Hello, at this time I'm on vacation, I will check, when I am back.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:17, 16 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
::"Michael Whelau" is stated on copyright page, but it seems to be a typo. I will accept your submission and make a note to this publication. Thanks for your hint.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:27, 18 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! There's another falsely credited cover art (for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629143 Der scharlachrote Prinz]). Thomas Schlück isn't an artist (maybe only early in his life he did some pencil drawings for fanzine--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:39, 16 September 2017 (EDT)s); he only has an agency for art & fiction. This art is also by Whelan. As there are some other issues with your latest additions for Bastei Lübbe Fantasy (thanks for them!), I'll correct & variant this to the original (you may want to add a note as for ''Die Königin des Chaos''). <br />
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You have added the ad pages at the end of the books to the page count, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages the help section] on that theme says otherwise. I'll correct this and change the format to pb for some publications erroneouslsy entered as tp. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:14, 14 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello Christian, Der scharlachrote Prinz: on the copyright page is stated "Titelillustration: Agentur Thomas Schlück", I don't can read another data. If the illustrator is really Michael Whelan please tell me your data source, then I can change my notes. <br />
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::For the data source see the cover title's parent.<br />
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:Die Königin des Chaos: the never ending story, it is no error, that I have entered the format as tp, in your Rules is stated: '''For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp".''' Note the logical connection with "or". This means that one value outside the border is sufficient to declare the book as tp. The width of this pub is indeed 1 mm wider (115 mm) than e. g. "Der scharlachrote Prinz". Although both books belong to the same pub. series, they have a different binding and that is fact. Any other statement is not conform.<br />
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::See earlier comments. Also, the publication series is a paperback series. The only trade paperback series from this publisher at that time (last century) was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?541 this].<br />
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:Additional pages: I've read the helping page several times, but this page is not very helpful, this confusion with numbered and unnumbered pages [] bracket or not is only confusing.<br />
:I've only seperated the story length from another additional pages, which don't belongs to the story (acknowledgement, publisher's list, preview, afterword, extract and so on). So I can see simply 123+[2] That means story=123 pages and any other pages=2 pages. It is my opinion, that this schema is simple, but understandable. But sometimes I've the feeling, that simplifications are not desirable. Perhaps the rules must be revised (recently I've read a discussion with this theme, but there was no result).<br />
::I think the rules are quite clear to not include ad pages at the end of a book. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 15 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
:In the end my motto is: enter data correctly, rather than bend data.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:41, 15 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::pb or tp: Sorry Christian, I can not tolerate false data to be published under my name. The rules are unambiguously: '''For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp".'''<br />
:::I will one more time correct your submission in my verified pubs, if this will not accept, it is the only way to delete all these false pubs, I think, this is my right. Too bad that your rules may not be applied correctly, this is my opinion. If there is another solution, please let me know. I would gladly continue to work here, but not necessarily under such conditions. I hope you understand.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:39, 16 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::Well, another solution would be to unverify the publications. But I'll try to change your mind about the matter.<br />
::::To leave a publication as tp invariably makes a statement of the publication series, i.e. all the other books of that format by a certain publisher in a time period. The best way would be to persuade the other verifiers of a publication series (like 'Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy') that these books are really trade paperbacks. <br />
::::To clarify the confusion, please also read the [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taschenbuch Wikipedia article] on 'Taschenbuch', then click on the left link bar of that essay on the English version and see to which article that leads to. Please note at its end the different characteristics of British and US paperbacks. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:48, 15 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::Hallo Christian, ich versuche es mal in deutsch, ich habe das Gefühl, es versteht mich keiner. Ihr, die Macher dieser Seite, definiert pb und tp über die Maße Länge x Breite. Und ich kann mich nur wiederholen, in den Regeln steht folgender Originalsatz: For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp". Das bedeutet für mich übersetzt: Bücher welche eine Breite von 11,5 cm (eigentlich genauer 11,43 cm) aufweisen werden als tp bezeichnet. Das habe ich mir doch nicht ausgedacht. Wenn allerdings diese Regel nicht gelten sollte, müsste sie korrigiert oder entfernt werden!<br />
:::::Ich bitte doch darum, dass Du auf diesen Punkt in Deiner Antwort eingehst, es hilft nicht auf Links zu verweisen,in denen die Historie der Formate beschrieben wird, das hat doch mit Euren selbstdefinierten Regeln nichts zu tun. Fazit: Auch unter Ausschöpfung aller Toleranzen bleibt es dabei, ein Buch mit der Breite 11,5 cm ist ein tp.<br />
:::::Und hier die Google-Übersetzung: Hello Christian, I try it this time in German, I have the feeling, no one understands me. You, the creator of this page, define pb and tp over the dimensions length x width. And I can only repeat myself, in the rules is the following original sentence: For books as tall as 7.25 "(19 cm) or as wide / deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp". This means for me: books which have a width of 11.5 cm (actually more precisely 11.43 cm) are referred to as tp. I have not figured that out. However, if this rule does not apply, it should be corrected or removed!<br />
:::::I would ask you to point to this point in your reply, it does not help to refer to links, in which the history of the formats is described, but has nothing to do with your self-defined rules. Conclusion: Even with exhausting all tolerances, it remains a book with the width 11.5 cm is a tp.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:11, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::::Yes, maybe the rules have to be corrected, they were established for the US market, where the boundaries are much more clearer. And the European (or German) 'pocket book' '''is''' the equivalent of the English paperback. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:52, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If I may chime in here: the rules have '''definitely''' to be corrected. If I remember correctly this topic has been brought up several times already and it seems to be a constant cause of data inconsistencies (some people stick to the size rules, others use some unwritten rules). [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_and_standards_discussions&oldid=493531#Publication_format_clarification.2C_please_--_moved_from_CP One year ago is has been discussed extensively], but the long discussion petered out without results. This problem should really be solved and settled for good and the results documented in the wiki because right now it's a frustrating situation which consumes time unnecessarily. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 05:51, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:I have made a proposal to change the rules, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Format_pb_vs._tp here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::On a related matter: I have removed the stated German series title from the noted for the Corum publications (''Bastei Fantasy'' #s 20001-20003 & 20005-20007, as they are nowhere stated on the pages containing editorial matter (covers, title & copyright pages); they only do appear as footnotes for the fictional intoductions (so, they could be made into a title series for these, if we would index them as entries on their own). While the novels are considered as fantasy, the notes are not. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:30, 9 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629143 Der scharlachrote Prinz] depth is wrong, maybe you mean thickness, if your notes in this form are ISFDB standard, then I really not belong to here.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:31, 17 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect price for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?614600 Das Komplott] ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. The price in Euro is incorrect since there still was DM as valid currency in 2001 (Euros became the currency on 2002-01-01). Please do enter the correct price. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:25, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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I also corrected (and will do so in the future) some formats (tp --> pb) and notes to the correct English capitalization. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:39, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
:Hello Christian, the price is correct and is stated on the back cover, have a look.<br />
:The format of this publication is correct as pb (114 mm), other formats with 115 mm I will change occasionally to tp, as long as it is in the rules or has that changed in the meantime?<br />
:What do you mean with "...notes to the correct English capitalization"?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:44, 22 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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::Correct capitalization is the art of using the right BIG or small letters.<br />
::I changed the uncorrect / invalid Euro price to the correct / valid DM price as stated on the back of "Das Komplott". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:00, 22 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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:::Both prices appear on the back cover, why is one of them wrong?<br />
:::Now I see your corrections, but the capitalization is intentional like as with headlines. I hope you have seen that the capitalization is only until the colons! This is similar like the links on the left side e. g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?716 here] or is this wrong, too?. In headlines all first letters are uppercase with exceptions. I have my own style to present my notes that cannot be wrong. Please tolerate it and better fix format errors, these errors are more important like this formatting styles.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:43, 25 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hello, Wolfram! The Euro price was not valid upon publication, it became only valid in 2002. And the notes are no headlines, they are comments. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:35, 4 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::::: Hallo Christian, es geht nicht um die "notes", sondern um meine "Struktur" der notes und diese Struktur ist so aufgebaut, dass die Bezeichnungen vor dem Doppelpunkt als Überschriften zu sehen sind.<br />
:::::Sollte das in dieser Form nicht möglich sein, werde ich in Zukunft keine Eintragungen mehr vornehmen und mich vermutlich aus diesem WIKI verabschieden. Es ist ein Unding, dass in einer Datenbank strukturierte Formatierungen nicht toleriert werden, dafür aber Falscheingabe von Daten und nun die Übersetzung in Englisch: <br />
::::: Hello Christian, It's not about the "notes", but about my "structure" of the notes and this structure is structured so that the names before the colon are to be seen as headings.<br />
:::::Should that not be possible in this form, I will make in the future no more entries and probably say goodbye to this WIKI. It is unfortunate that structured formatting is not tolerated in a database, but incorrect input of data.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:38, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::::::Notes are per se not headlines, they are only notes. Headlines are for titles of title types. It's not okay that one editor decides otherwise than all the other editors. Regards, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:27, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:::::::Links are no headlines, too, but the links [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?12044 here] on the left side are capitalized, e. g. "Help Navigating", "My Messages", "My Preferences" and so on , how can you explaine this?<br />
::::::: By the way, I wonder why suddenly my wanted capitalization was so meticulously criticized and corrected by you. I can gladly send you alternative links with real spelling errors, if you're bored. I have no interest in creating tediously structured, time-consuming notes that are then destroyed by you, I do not have that time! In any case, I have no great interest in continuing to work here. Merry Christmas.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:15, 26 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:::::::: Merry Christmas to you, too! I'd like to see you continue your work, but we do need some overall common standards. So, I didn't destroy any notes, I only adapted them to this standard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:27, 26 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Wolfram, I try to explain why the IFSDB uses what you call "headlines" (which are better called "labels"; in German "Beschriftung") in a capitalized form and why written text in notes shouldn't use it:<br />
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''Some'' (not all) design guides say that ''some'' labels (not all labels) which describe ''user interface elements'' (like links, tables, edit fields, buttons) should be capitalized. I don't know which design guide is or was the basis for the ISFDB web site, but an ''example'' for a capitalization guide (using slightly different rules than the ISFDB) is [https://code.vmware.com/web/standards/-/capitalization-of-ui-elements this one]. Other web sites use regular grammar instead, and no capitalization, for example see how [https://en.wikipedia.org Wikipedia] looks like.<br />
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So, why is something like '''Pub. Series''' capitalized if you view a publication like {{P|366508|this one}}? This maybe become clearer if you click the "edit" link in the publication record: the view turns into an edit form, where '''Pub. Series''' is the ''label'' for the edit field, it ''describes'' this user interface element.<br />
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''Notes'', however, contain free ''written text'' which uses regular grammar. So far I've not seen a design rule which recommends to use this kind of capitalization in notes.<br />
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Personally, I don't like this kind of capitalization in web sites very much and prefer regular grammar for the whole user interface the way Wikipedia uses it. But that's maybe because of my German point of view, which is already used to the (different) capitalization in German grammar.<br />
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Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 06:13, 27 December 2017 (EST)<br />
: Hallo Jens, ebenso gibt es keine Regel, die solch einen Stil mit Großschreibung explizit verbietet, oder? Vielleicht sollte man da etwas toleranter sein und sich den echten Fehlern zuwenden.<br />
: Ich habe bewusst diesen Stil gewählt, damit die notes nicht so unstrukturiert geschrieben werden, etliche Punkte (oder Labels, Überschriften), die ich aufführe, könnten auch genau so gut in die Eingabemaske übernommen werden, darüber gab es auch schon eine Diskussion. Leider scheint Ahasuerus damit ein Zeitproblem zu haben, es geht nicht voran. Das ist allerdings ein anderes Thema. Ich bin der Meinung, dass meine Art der notes-Darstellung nicht falsch ist, eher nicht gängig. Leider sitzen ja die Moderatoren am längeren Hebel, falls ich hier noch einmal Daten eingeben werde, wird das generell ohne notes geschehen. Das ist zwar schade, denn es fehlen dann doch einige interessante Daten, aber leider unvermeidlich. Wie ich schon angedeutet habe, ist es eher unwahrscheinlich, dass ich weiter hier tätig sein werde. Es gibt da noch einige Dinge, die mir nicht gefallen und die nicht geklärt werden können.<br />
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:Hello Jens, also there is no rule that prohibits such a style with capitalization explicitly, right? Maybe you should be a bit more tolerant and turn to the real mistakes.<br />
:I have deliberately chosen this style, so that the notes are not written so unstructured, a number of points (or labels, headings) that I perform, could also be just as well in the input mask, there was already a :discussion. Unfortunately, Ahasuerus seems to have a time problem with that, it is not progressing. That's another topic, though. I think my style of notes presentation is not wrong, not common. Unfortunately, the moderators sit on the longer lever, if I will enter here again data, this will generally be done without any notes. That's a pity, because it lacks some interesting data, but unfortunately inevitable. As I have already suggested, it is unlikely that I will continue to work here. There are some things that I do not like and that can not be clarified.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:14, 30 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::Sorry, Wolfram, but there are the English rules of writing that explicitly outrule your idiosyncratic style of notes. There's not only your side, but also the side of other users: the average one would think that we, the editors of ISFDB, can't even write English in a correct way.<br />
::Also, you may enter data with less information, but we'd still need some sources in the notes. <br />
::Have a nice end of 2017, and I hope to see you around here in 2018. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:14, 31 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Change of a publication series ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! Due to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Die_letzte_Siedlerin this discussion] we (the German moderators) came up with the change for post mid-1990s publications of Bastei Lübbe. This will also affect some of your verified ones, so don't be surprised. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 4 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Die Gärten des Mondes, anew ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, just to be sure, do you really want to delete nearly of the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608229 this pub]? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:38, 18 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:It seems so, but I recommended to just withdraw his primary verification (see two items above). I'd think we do need some of the stated information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:42, 18 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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::I have rejected your submission. Instead, there was the need to correct the entry: you stated it as a first printing, but that was priced in DM, not in Euros. Yours turned out to be the second printing: you may want to state the right date of publication. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:02, 21 January 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Hello Hauck, there are a lot of wrong data, which I did not enter, I will delete the complete submission. Other corrections of my primary verifications will follow. Please don't change my notes or other data. Thank you and bye bye.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:35, 24 January 2018 (EST)<br />
::::No problem, I nearly never change the contents of the note field as I think that's the only place where contributors can put what they want in the form they want (except offensive things) even if I do not agree with them. I see that's you're leaving us, it's always a sad thing to loose such a meticulous contributor as you.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:07, 24 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::No, that he does not, he only deletes verified publicatons without telling the primary verifier. <br />
:::::I've rejected some of your submissions but have done the deletion afterwards for you. Some others I've put on hold: it really seems better to do a removal of your primary verifications, if you don't subscribe to the correct English text. I'll also do a primary verification for those volumes I have in my stack. As you do want to delete them anyway, it sure is okay if I change the notes according to our standards (please do a removal of the pv if it still does not fit your copy/copies - but you might want to add your different ones). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:14, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::I have corrected the entry for ''Der Herr der Dunkelheit'', so that it fits our standards. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 19 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::: I've only tried to delete my own submissions, but you change the notes of my verified pubs without my ok and these changes have nothing to do with standards. That is not tolerable for me. By the way, note the order, first came your changes and then my deletion attempt and not vice versa. I only responded to your curious changes! --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:13, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: My changes only deal with our standards. I think the problem is that you neiter studied completely the standards of our database nor what others entered, and you have some of our concepts not right (publication vs. copy). It ''is'' a long process to get things right, and it takes a lot of time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Further bad news ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! On trying to verify some of the data you entered I found that some of them are only copy-specific: these are the measured ones (Length x width x depth & weight). I did measure some of my verified copies, and there were slight differences (likely due to the process of production). As they are valid only for one specific copy and not for the publication as a whole, it really seems better to specify or delete this information. What do you think? <br />
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(We do use copies to verify publications, but we don't verify single copies). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 19 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I don't know how to take your reaction: but it surely seems best to delete this copy-individual statemnets? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:39, 20 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:: I don't understand what you mean?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:17, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Sorry to intrude, but parhaps should you switch to german to try to understand each other. These are the joys of our multinational project. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:26, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Willkür ==<br />
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Hi, you enter a submission stating: Da sowieso die Formatangaben willkürlich korrigiert werden, wähle ich "other". The three options are ’pb’ for paperback; ’tp’ for trade paperback (bigger than 18cm), and ’hc’ for hardcover. You may want to read the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub field-by-field help] in other to see that 'Willkürlicheit' is not the issue.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:02, 20 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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: He was probably referring to border cases where the sizes given in the rules for the pub format don't exactly match what we consider paperback ("Taschenbuch") and trade paperback in Germany. Alas, is not as simple as just "bigger than 18cm" and leads to some paperbacks ("Taschenbücher") being entered as "tp" whereas other editors use "pb". See [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Format_pb_vs._tp]] for the last discussion about it. I will forever cherish the day this time-consuming source of frustration will finally have been resolved. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 11:10, 21 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd prefer a drop-down box -with a clear choice as to what to enter in the format field- myself too.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:47, 22 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::: Your statement ''tp is bigger than 18 cm'' is wrong, the rule say exact: '''For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"''', there is no reason for discussion. By the way 18,415 cm = 7,25" and 11,43 = 4,5".--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:35, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Pub Delete(s) ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, I'm probably a bit dense, but why do you want to delete some publications? Do you mean that the books themselves don't exist? Is it just a question of formalism? Do you want to suppress from the db the data that you entered? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:03, 22 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:More and more I have the impression that you, Wolfram, participated here under false ideas of the purpose and the standards of ISFDB:<br />
: 1) You seem to take this as an extension of your privacy (or at least the publications / copies you verified). This is not the case: primary verified records are bound to be changed for some reasons: most notably the correction of typographical errors, the addition of notes, the correction of false data, and the addition of missing contents. Every editor has the right to submit such changes; the first two types will be approved of by moderators without further discussion in most cases, the latter two usually need to be discussed with the primary verifiers. Since you have multiple cases of the latter two I notified you that I'll make corrections regarding the third without a special notification for each case to save time. For the fourth kind I did some additions that you mistakenly only noted but did not enter as contents.<br />
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: 2) It is '''not''' okay to delete existing publications, so please stop trying to do so; you may delete your primary verification if you can't subscribe to the correct data.<br />
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: 3) It is also not okay to try to implement formats that are regarded by all (or the vast majority) of editors (and publishers and authors) as a different kind: it is not just me who regards the softbound pocket books as equivalents to the paperbacks; in fact, you will have difficulty in finding a second voice speaking for your position. <br />
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: So, it's up to you to decide if you still want to take part in our joint effort or not. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:49, 23 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::I concur with Christian, I suppose that you want to "retake back" data that you entered. Alas, this data is no more yours to dispose of, it's now the "property" of our shared project and you can't delete it because you entered part of it. Even if I may understand and share your feelings of exasperation about the db and its way of working (too much talkers and not a lot of doers) as I sometimes share them and have been tempted to walk away, deleting exact data is simply not correct. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:12, 23 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:::I've put a new batch on hold, on what grounds do you want to delete these publications? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:48, 2 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::Google Übersetzung:<br />
::::@Hauck, I would like to delete my data, because they have been changed in a form that neither my approval nor have been accepted by me.<br />
::::I think that is part of the intellectual property right. In any case, thank you for your support.<br />
::::@Christian, 1. It is true, I see my submissions as my intellectual property, which should not be distorted or changed contrary to my principles.<br />
::::2. See point 1.<br />
::::3. See ISFDB Rules.<br />
::::I will not make any further entries in the future, if necessary correct data. A pity, at first it looked quite good. But over time, it has turned out that my view of correct data and formatting does not agree with your view.<br />
::::It's just useless to support a database where wrong data is entered. I hope you can find many spelling mistakes, maybe with other users.<br />
::::Maybe there will be times when I will be active again, but that is unlikely.<br />
::::Despite everything, I wish you all a lot of fun and success in entering correct data.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:36, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry, but all the data really seems to be correct. I'm sorry if I should have introduced any new faults while correcting your mistakes. Please state where there is incorrect data or wrong notes. Thanks for your upcoming cooperation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:59, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== "pb" vs. "tp" (again) ==<br />
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Hi Wolfram, it's been discussed several times already that the current definition for "pb" and "tp" in the help doesn't match exactly what we call "Taschenbuch" and "Paperpack" in German, and that a solution has to be put into the help. Please remember that sometimes the help simply is not up-to-date (or does not match a specific market yet, like the German one in this case) and that there's something called "current practice" or "best practice" (unwritten rules which are considered by moderators to be correct). As for "Taschenbuch" it's just common sense: in Germany a "Taschenbuch" with a width of 11.5 cm is ''not'' a trade paperback, no matter what the currently written rules say. Example: first there was a "tp" edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576255 Am Ende aller Zeiten] by Fischer Tor, and it was later re-issued by Fischer Tor [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?633155 as "Taschenbuch"]. According to the current help, both should be "tp" because of their size, but this would obviously be wrong because the second one ''is'' a "Taschenbuch". Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 06:36, 24 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Hello Jens, but a book with the width 115 mm isn't a pb, but anything other. If pb means in Germany "Taschenbuch", then all softcover books are pbs? It is difficult to work with data, if the rules are not valid. I think common sense has nothing to do with a database. It seems to be chaos. What is the exactly definition of "Taschenbuch" in German?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:33, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Good question. If every country (via the moderators that live there) is free to add its own idiosyncratic formats, this is the perfect way to have a maximum and splendid chaos. For those not used to moderate other people submissions, just be aware that this will be a nightmare to explain.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:52, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: We're in the process of finalizing new rules especially for German "Taschenbuch" and "Paperback" and it looks like the software will also get special entries to select from for the publication format. See [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Format_pb_vs._tp__-_interim_solution_for_German_publications]]. Hopefully we will have a documented definition for German formats as soon as all is finished. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 14:02, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::I rest my case, the multiplication of "national" formats is really not a good idea (for example, in France we've got the "semi-poche" format, should it be added?). It's complicated enough to make new contributors correctly use the three (just three!) main formats (pb, tp, hc) without adding a new layer of complexity. This choice of complexification over simplicity is alas quite typical of the R&S discussions, that usually are not very perceptive of the difficulties encountered in contributing to the db. This is not directed against you (as a new moderator) or against Christian (that has done his share) but usually the louder advocates of complexification are those that are not frequently on the front lines to explain their brillant rules to the newbies. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:26, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I see you point regarding complexity. Personally, I'd actually prefer to even get rid of the ''current'' complexity with "tp" and "pb" and merge them together to just "sc" (for "softcover"). Librarything does it this way. "hc or sc" - that'd be pretty easy to decide for a book. But since this is not going to happen I really like a solution to get rid of the recurring, time-consuming discussions about "pb or tp" for German softcovers, which only emerge because of rules not matching the German market. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:25, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::::Entirely OK with you for the "sc" idea. As this unlikely to happen, I'd just wish for a precise enough set of criteria that will put any book in '''one and only one''' of the existing three main categories (including our elusive german taschenbuch). Alas, this will never happen, there will be talk and talk and talk, no vote of the community, no decision and we'll be back to square one. You'll understand why I've decided, a few months ago, not to participate in R&S discussions. I feel (perhaps wrongly) that my ISFDB time is better used to help other contributors. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:41, 26 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::::: I completely agree with you Herve. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:05, 26 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Das ist doch relativ einfach: Wenn Regeln erstellt werden, die ein Format nach den Maßen definieren (Länge x Breite) und diese Regeln dann nicht befolgt werden dürfen, weil sie nicht passen, dann müssen diese Regeln geändert/ergänzt werden. Das ist Sache der Administratoren.<br />
::::::::Ich habe gerade gelesen, dass es da gute Ansätze gibt, bis dann irgendeiner wieder daherkommt und sagt, dass alles so bleiben soll wie bisher. Und wieder ist alles vorbei...<br />
::::::::Übrigens, zum Erstellen von Regeln braucht man einen gesunden Menschenverstand, aber nicht zum Befolgen der Regeln!<br />
::::::::Wenn jemand an meiner Meinung interessiert ist, dann bevorzuge ich die Unterteilung in Softcover und Hardcover, das wird ja wohl jeder begreifen. Die Maße, die meiner Meinung nach auch recht wichtig sind, können dann ja, wenn bekannt, in die Eingabemaske eingetragen werden.<br />
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::::::::Google Übersetzung:<br />
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::::::::This is relatively simple: If rules are created that define a format by measure (length x width) and then these rules can not be followed because they do not fit, then these rules must be amended / supplemented. That's the responsibility of the administrators.<br />
::::::::I have just read that there are good approaches, until then someone comes back and says that everything should remain as before. And again everything is over ...<br />
::::::::By the way, to create rules you need common sense, but not to follow the rules!<br />
::::::::If anyone is interested in my opinion, then I prefer the subdivision into softcover and hardcover, that will probably understand everyone. The dimensions, which in my opinion are also quite important, can then, if known, be entered in the input mask.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:42, 8 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: Once again: paperback (as standard for the USA) means here at ISFDB ''mass market paperback'' (that's why the term was changed), and that is exactly the idea for 'Taschenbuch', when Rowohlt, Heyne and others started their lines in the 1950s. The format rules were derived from the givings of the US market, but the formats do differ in other countries. The trade paperback isn't aimed at the mass market and has a somewhat different philosophy of publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:50, 8 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Dann wäre es konsequent alle länderspezifischen gängigen Formate in die Auswahlliste zu übernehmen, für GB: z. B. A Format, B Format, C Format.<br />
For USA: Mass Market Paperback, Trade Paperback, Hardcover. <br />
Germany: Taschenbuch, Broschur, Klappenbroschur, Hardcover (oder Gebundene Ausgabe) und so weiter.<br><br />
Google:<br />
Then it would be consistent to include all country-specific popular formats in the selection list, for GB: e. g. A Format, B Format, C Format.<br />
For USA: Mass Market Paperback, Trade Paperback, Hardcover.<br />
Germany: Taschenbuch, Broschur, Klappenbroschur, Hardcover (or Gebundene Ausgabe) and so on.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 07:27, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Um das Ganze übersichtlicher zu machen, könnte man zwei Dropdown-Listen erstellen. Liste 1 mit der Angabe des Herkunftslandes und Liste 2 mit den dazugehörigen länderspezifischen Formaten. [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropdown-Liste siehe Wikipedia]<br />
:Google: To make the whole thing clearer, you could create two dropdown lists. List 1 with the country of origin and List 2 with the corresponding country-specific formats--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 02:01, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: @Hauck, it should also be expected a newbee to make a choice of format from several possibilities.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:05, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hi, Wolfram! In a way, this would be the best thing, but according to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#The_paperback_formats_again this parallel discussion] there doesn't seem to be a majority in favour of this. To avoid two threads you may want to join in over there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:03, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Notifications for verifiers and sources ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, <br />
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Can you please notify the verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3804454 this change] and indicate (here, in this message) the source for this publisher change? I know that our Goldmann/Blanvalet records are a bit... mixed up but just randomly changing one book (a verified at that) does not make much sense without at least mentioning why. Do you have the book at hand and if so, what is in the book itself? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:49, 2 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, Annie recruited me to help with this while she's away. If you answer her questions, I can help figure out what to do with the information. Thanks, --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:09, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::How many times I must notify the verifier, two times or more?<br />
::Blanvalet is no pub. series, the publisher is Blanvalet, look at the front cover.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:06, 10 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::Sorry, I see you discussed this with the primary verifier last year. I think Annie did not see that. I will accept the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:23, 11 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: Annie ist a little bit hyperactiv, the permanent reminder of notifying is sometimes unnecessary, I think.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:12, 20 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The last post ==<br />
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Do not worry, the only reason why I am still sporadically active here is my promise to Kelly McCullough to publish his German translations of the series "Fallen Blade". After completion I will say goodbye. But that can take longer. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:33, 20 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Personally, I think that you should stay. Even if, as I said above, such a project can be exasperating with a bit too much talk (and too little action) and a certain tendency to avoid taking decisions and organising kangaroo courts for those who do and a general lack of support for those in the front lines (I just only hear a very loud silence when I read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/9/9f/Isfdb_3.JPG this] in spite of very nice speeches about respect and so on...). But such a project is, IMHO and AFAIC, SF-bibliographically-wise important enough to carry on regardless of such inconveniences. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:45, 20 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::That is the lowest level, what was the consequence?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:52, 6 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Schwarze Tränen'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! Welcome back, what did make you change your mind?<br />
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I just added notes to the Thomas Finn novel and changed the publisher (per DNB), as you seem to have missed out on this, and had just "Data from Deutsche Nationalbibliothek", which becomes meaningless upon verifying. Take a look and correct if the publisher is in fact stated otherwise, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:19, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I can reassure you, I'm not back. I've only change the pages, the other data doesn't interest me. If this is not right, delete my submission.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:49, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::For an inactive editor, you've become quite active again. ;-) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:25, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Only rest of work, active looks different.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:51, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Drohende Schatten ==<br />
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Hello, It seems that the German order of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?631 Wheel of time] series of Bechtermünz is different than in English. Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612620 Drohende Schatten] pub is probably the translation of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1245 The Shadow Rising]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 04:45, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:I corrected various errors for this publication (especially the page count: if pages are numbered we don't use the [] for them, as communicated to you before, see also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages the help] on this). There also was content to be added, which you missed out on. Please try to maintain the standards that are common for ISFDB. In addition, as this is not the first edition, it would have been much better to add the first Heyne edition from 1993 before, or at least date the titles to their first appearance in that year: I have done that for you. (The original title seems to be right, according to the Heyne bibliography, though). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
::Google translator: Unfortunately, these changes of my notes are not consistent with my level of quality (wirres Durcheinander/confusion), which is one of the reasons for ending my productive activities, and unfortunately that is closely related to your person.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:09, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::The notes had to be changed due to various errors, mostly connected with the erroneous page count and the omitted contents. In this case you gave 489 as standard page count plus more than [20] unnumbered pages, which were in fact numbered as per your notes. So, the quality of your not-up-to-ISFDB-standard has been improved. Please do a thorough study of how we do enter page counts: if your standard for that and ours do not match, it is in fact the unfortunate task for us moderators to improve entries that don't fit with ISFDB, as different standards would in fact lead to chaos in our database. You should try to understand this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:25, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::I don't mean the change of data, this may be correct, but you change my style, e. g. I wrote "Cover Design (Umschlaggestaltung): Adolf Bachmann, Reischach" you changed this in "The cover design ("Umschlaggestaltung") is credited to Adolf Bachmann, Reischach." This is a manipulation of my original text and a bad style, this is only one example, the most of my notes were changed in this format (from you), you change permanent my primary verified submissions without sense and reason, like you use it for your own submissions and this is one reason to end my activity. These changes I called bad level of quality.<br />
::::I could complain about that or about you, too, but it is better to finish here, as annoying oneself permanently and wasting time pointless, I feel with Hauck (partly Google translator).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:35, 12 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Template talk:TitleFields:Length ==<br />
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Please note that the Wiki page which you edited earlier today, [[Template talk:TitleFields:Length]], is a Help ''Talk'' page, i.e. a page where editors discuss what Help should say. Historical discussions posted there should not be altered by other editors after the fact. If you would like to suggest a change to Help, please post a separate proposal on the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:04, 18 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I don't want to start a discussion about logical errors, there is no doubt that e. g. one and one is two. Feel free to undone my changes. BTW I had started a discussion, but without answer/comments.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:45, 18 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Even if you think that an editor has made logical errors in a Wiki comment, please do not try to correct them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:04, 18 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry, I forgot that such decisions are not welcome. Another reason to end the active phase.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:00, 19 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::: If you believe that another editor's argument is flawed, please feel free to respond and explain the flaw. However, changing other editors' arguments on discussion pages is not allowed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:44, 19 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've understood. Moderators can change data and formulations without justification (look theme my "notes") a normal user is not allowed to do that. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:04, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: There is a difference between:<br />
::::::* moderators editing submitted data for clarity and readability, and<br />
::::::* changing the contents of other users' discussion posts<br />
:::::: The former is allowed and encouraged. The latter is not allowed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:22, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I have invested a lot of time to make my submissions clear, logical, informative, understandable and then they are changed to look like kindergarten, but there is no comment from you. I've tried to clear discrepances between pb/tp without result. No wonder, that I'm frustrated and want to give up to work here. The only help from you is the tip to start a new discussion. Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:04, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== This is the end... ==<br />
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I will no more act as active user, some times I will give a comment or correct wrong data, typos or other mistakes (perhaps fire? moderators). Unfortunately, it did not work out the way I had imagined, although I was thrilled at first, but my motivation dropped rapidly. Guilt is diverging opinions about true and false data and unjustified changed data from my submissions. Add to that the language barrier, because my english is very bad (most of the time I use the Google translator). The permanent discussion without results is another reason to stop working here and some other reasons, but I've no time to explain all this.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:38, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for your contributions and good luck. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:41, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?510654 Der Pfad des schwarzen Lichts] ==<br />
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Sadly, again vital information (edition no., cover artist, map) was missing from this publication. I added those. Please think about adding the other content you mention and also to other publication you added. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:10, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
: This is my original text of notes:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>Other Price[s]: €18.50 (Austria)</li><br />
<li>Cover: <br />
<ul><br />
<li>with front and back flaps</li> <br />
<li>front partly coated high gloss</li><br />
</ul></li><br />
<li>Height x Width: 215 x 135 mm</li><br />
<li>Weight: 705 gram</li><br />
<li>Table of Content: on unnumbered page[s] #7 - #9</li><br />
<li>Additional Page[s]:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>1 unnumbered page[s] #569 with “picture”</li><br />
<li>4 unnumbered page[s] #570 - #573 with “map”</li><br />
<li>1 unnumbered page[s] #574 without content</li><br />
<li>1 unnumbered page[s] #575 with “note of thanks”</li><br />
</ul></li><br />
<li>Data Source: price[s] stated by “Deutsche Nationalbibliothek”</li><br />
</ul><br />
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:What is your reason to change these correct data?<br />
:I can see "map", but where you see the 1st edition and 1st printing, what's the meaning of "aparent"? <br />
:You are welcome to insert data but without changing my existing correct data. I feel that as impudence and it is not in the sense of the existing rules.<br />
:Nor is it in the spirit of a primary verifier to gather all the important information not found in the book. That would be secondary verification.<br />
:Maybe Ahasuerus should intervene here and speak a word of power!<br />
:Since I'm no longer actively involved, I only react to unjustified changes to my data.<br />
:Finally, I will delete the primary verification, since your changes do not match my level. Happy new year. (Google Übersetzer).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:52, 1 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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::A happy new year to you! The reason for changing the entry was the same as for previous ones, which have been communicated to you before quite often: you seem to be content with it and the data may be sufficient for your purposes, but it is insufficient for ISFDB and its users, as the record(s) miss out on listing all the contents, the editions & printings, and the correct pagination as well as the correct English spelling. For all of this reasons the entries and their accompanying notes have to be adapted to ISFBD standards, and since you have chosen to retreat from contributing (not to speak of correcting your verified publications), it is the moderators sorry task to care for the betterment. Please do consider to come back and help. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:03, 4 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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I have also corrected your insufficient entries for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516798 Das Königreich der Lüfte] and the follow-up [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516825 Das Königreich jenseits der Wellen].<br />
For the first you only entered the following (similar to the second volume)<br />
Other Price[s]: €10.30 (Austria)<br />
Publisher Code: 53376<br />
Translator: Kirsten Borchardt<br />
Cover: front partly coated high-gloss<br />
Height x Width: 186 x 118 mm<br />
Weight: 633 gram<br />
Last Unnumbered Page of Text: #781 contains the rest of the novel<br />
Additional Page[s]: 1 unnumbered page with "acknowledgement"<br />
As it's plain to see you missed out on the edition & the printing rank; you also had entered a wrong page count of 781 & the erroneous format of tp. If there are more of those insufficient entries please do correct them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:31, 5 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Wenn ich keine Daten eingetragen habe, dann gibt es auch keine Daten im Buch (kann natürlich sein, dass ich das übersehen habe, kann ich momentan nicht überprüfen), übrigens, Daten mit "apparent" entsprechen nicht unbedingt meinem Qualitätsniveau (mit einer unglücklichen Ausnahme)...<br />
:Bleibt immer noch die Frage, mit welchem Recht Du meine Notizen veränderst? Und damit meine ich nicht die Eintragung von Daten, sondern das Verändern meines Schreibstils. Wo steht geschrieben, dass Deine Art zu schreiben richtiger ist als meine? Bitte zeig mir die entsprechende Hilfeseite.<br />
:Warum ist z. B. "Cover: front partly coated high-gloss" falsch, was ist an "The front cover is partly coated with high-gloss." (Deine Variante) richtiger? Warum darfst Du [ ] benutzen, ich nicht? "#", ":" sind anscheinend auch nicht erlaubt und so weiter...<br />
:Bleibt nur noch der Kindergartenstil.<br />
:Alle meine Eintragungen werden von Dir in dieser Form verfälscht. Das kann ich nicht tolerieren, denn schließlich verändere ich ja auch nicht grund- und sinnlos Deine Notizen nach meinem Geschmack!<br />
:Da ich aber keine Zeit habe, Deine Korrekturen wieder rückgängig zu machen, werde ich nur den PV löschen und hoffe, Ihr werdet glücklich mit meinen Daten.<br />
:Ich würde gerne weiter mitarbeiten, aber Dein Verhalten und auch das des Administrators Ahasuerus verhindern das. Warum sollte ich Zeit für die Eingabe von Daten verschwenden, wenn die Daten doch wieder gelöscht, geändert, verfälscht werden? Was soll man mit einem Administrator anfangen, der nur diskutiert und keine Entscheidungen treffen will oder kann?<br />
:Pech für Euch, Ihr verliert einen engagierten Mitarbeiter.<br />
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:Google Übersetzung:<br />
:If I did not enter any data, then there is no data in the book (of course I can not see that, I can not check right now), by the way, data with "apparent" does not necessarily match my quality level (with one unfortunate exception ) ...<br />
:The question still remains, with which right you change my notes? And I do not mean the entry of data, but the changing of my writing style. Where is it written that your way of writing is more correct than mine? Please show me the corresponding help page.<br />
:Why is e. g. "Cover: front partly coated high-gloss" wrong, what's wrong with "The front cover is partly coated with high-gloss." (Your variant) more correct? Why are you allowed to use [], not me? "#", ":" are apparently not allowed and so on ...<br />
:Only the kindergarten style remains.<br />
:All my entries will be falsified by you in this form. I can not tolerate that, because after all I do not change your notes to my liking!<br />
:But since I have no time to undo your corrections, I will only delete the PV and hope you will be happy with my data.<br />
:I would like to continue to work, but your behavior and that of the administrator Ahasuerus prevent this. Why should I waste time on entering data when the data is deleted, changed, and falsified? What should you do with an administrator who only discusses and can not or will not make decisions?<br />
:Bad luck for you, you lose an involved employee.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:58, 7 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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::It's always sad to lose an editor. But to talk of being engaged is not true, for somebody who shows absolutely no engagement to correct the corrupted data & notes entered in the first place, after being told quite often what is correct and what the standards of ISFDB are. Getting loud only when somebody goes to apply the standards, but putting the sand in the head (or was it vice versa?) for the rest of the time, seems to be miles away from a constructive engagement. So, it was again left to us moderators to correct the erroneous page count and non-standard use of the English language for some of your verified books. I am sorry for that, but your politics of irresponsibility for ISFDB leaves not much choice. <br />
::If there are other publications with erroneous informtion PVed by you, you might still be able to become constructive. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 1 February 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Ich werde hier nur noch aktiv, wenn meine korrekt eingegebenen Daten verändert werden, wie Sie es wieder getan haben.<br />
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:::Meine Notizen sind in Aufzählungsform dargestellt, da kann man eigentlich keine Fehler bemängeln, tatsächlich gibt es auch keine. Warum Sie die Aufzählungstexte verändern ist mir schleierhaft. Eine Vermutung habe ich ja, das habe ich aber schon an anderer Stelle kundgetan.<br />
:::Wenn es Regeln für Notizen geben sollte, dann bitte ich um einen Link, der dahin führt... Ich bezweifle aber, dass es diese Seite gibt, verwechseln Sie vielleicht Ihre Regeln mit denen von ISFDB?<br />
:::Wie schon mehrmals bemerkt, falsche Daten ändern ist in Ordnung, fehlerfreie Texte ändern ist eine Unverschämtheit und hat mit Fehlerkorrektur nichts zu tun!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:10, 4 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::: As explained numerous times above: Faults in your verified publications include: erroneous formats & page counts (every time contrary to the help pages), mistaken use of English spelling, false print rank, missing contents, unsourced data (for edition, printing, cover & interior art), missing accounts of dimension statements. Since you only become active when those faults get corrected, but prefer to don't do anything about it the rest of the time, your complaints seem pretty much without any substance. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:38, 8 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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::::: Das ist ja merkwürdig. Alle angeblichen Fehler wurden nach meiner Eingabe von den Moderatoren geprüft und akzeptiert, auch meine Schreibweise, meine Listendarstellung und alle anderen Formatierungen.<br />
:::::Auf einmal ist das alles falsch? Das nenne ich unerklärlich (armselig). Ich warte immer noch auf eine Antwort auf meine Frage.<br />
:::::Und noch einmal der Hinweis, ich werde hier nicht mehr aktiv agieren. Fast 100 Eingaben und alles umsonst, reine Zeitverschwendung. Wenn denn Ihr Schreibstil die Regel/Standard sein soll, dann habe ich hier nichts verloren. Wenn weitere ungerechtfertigte Änderungen vorgenommen werden, distanziere ich mich von diesen Eingaben, mit diesem Kindergartengeschreibsel (anders kann ich das nicht ausdrücken) möchte ich nicht in Verbindung gebracht werden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:43, 28 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::::And again you did not correct the relevant data for ''Dämonentränen''<br />
:::::You stated<br />
:::::- 1 numbered page #381 with "preview"<br />
:::::- 4 numbered pages #382 - #385 with "afterword and note of thanks"<br />
:::::- 3 numbered pages #386 - #388 with "publisher's list"<br />
:::::but as usual with the data you supply that's not as per our definition of the page count. Please take a look at our rules. I'll correct the page count & the notes for you again (also as per ISFDB nomenclature and a correct use of the English language). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:20, 9 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::While at it I coorected the other novels by the same author accordingly. And let me add a personal note: if the correct use & understanding of the English language is not your highest capability, why don't you take on the help that has been offered to you? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:45, 9 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::::Es geht hier nicht um die englische Sprache sondern um das willkürliche Ändern von Formulierungen und Daten in den Notizen (ähnlich wie bei Rudam), alles Weitere wurde bereits mehrfach gesagt.<br />
::::::Die Definition der Seitenzahl ist so ziemlich das Schlimmste, was ich in den Regeln gefunden habe, so uneffizient und undurchschaubar, dass es weh tut. Allerdings lohnt es nicht darüber eine Diskussion zu beginnen, es wird sowieso kein Ergebnis geben (u. a. siehe Diskussion pb/tp). Übrigens, hinter meinen Angaben zur Seitenzahl steckt schon ein System. Finden Sie es heraus. Bitte achten Sie auf Ihre Rechtschreibung.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:24, 16 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Dunkle Schuld'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram, I have put your submission on hold as it tries to change the format to tp, whereas it seems to be a pb as recorded at DNB and amazon. Do you own any special, different edition? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:31, 19 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Erledigt. Die falsche Seitenzahl kann auch so stehenbleiben, passt schon zu ISFDB.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:19, 24 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Der Herr des Feuers'' ==<br />
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I enhanced the stub record for this publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:08, 9 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
:...und ich habe wie bereits angekündigt meinen primären Überprüfungsstatus geändert/storniert. Ich weiss auch nicht, warum ich mir dieses Theater immer wieder antue...--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:07, 9 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Anna Smith Spark ==<br />
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Can you please share the source for your update of the birthplace of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?252248 Anna Smith Spark] to London? I approved it by mistake but then pulled it out as I can find no reference to her being born there (all references are about her living there). Also can you also please use the proper format: "London, England, UK" and not "London/England/UK" when updating birthplaces. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:53, 24 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Quelle Geburtsort: "Das Reich der zerbrochenen Klingen" Seite 02. Das Format "London/England/UK" gefällt mir persönlich besser, Komma als Trennzeichen ist eher unglücklich.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:49, 25 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for citing the source, I will restore it and add the source in the notes. As for the format of the field - this is a community project and personal preferences in formatted fields are not in the spirit of it - every time you use /, you are requiring a moderator to update after you to fix the record so it is consistent with the other books. While the Notes field is free text, most of the other fields have their rules (most of them so they are parseable for Statistics and so on). So please consider actually using the correct format. Thanks in advance! Are you planning to add the German version of the book or do you want me to? <br />
:: PS: And please, use English :) Even if quite a lot of editors around here understand German. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:53, 25 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Auf meiner Seite wird deutsch bevorzugt, ich empfehle den Google Übersetzer.<br />
::: Was die Notizen angeht, muss ich widersprechen, es gibt nach Aussagen des Nutzers Stonecreek Regeln, nämlich seine eigenen. Wo diese Regeln nachzulesen sind konnte (wollte) er allerdings nicht beantworten.<br />
::: Das ist auch der Grund, warum ich hier keine Daten mehr eingeben will (bis auf seltene Ausnahmen), da diese sowieso wieder geändert, manipuliert, gelöscht oder auch verfälscht werden. Fairerweise möchte ich hinzufügen, dass es bisher nur einen Moderator gibt, der das praktiziert.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:27, 30 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The official language of the DB is English so instead of sending me to Google translate, why don't you take your own advice and use it? I read German just fine but not everyone does. <br />
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:::: We are not discussing the Notes here, we are discussing a structured field (birth place) where you have a preferred format that is at odds with the expected one. So I will just ask you again to use the expected format in this field. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:26, 30 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::Es handelt sich um eine falsche Aussage bezüglich der Notizen, die ich kommentiert habe.<br />
:::::Das Thema "Geburtsort" ist abgeschlossen und muss nicht weiter diskutiert werden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 02:30, 6 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Hüter der Wolken ==<br />
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What is the size of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?743921 this one]? The rest of the series seem to be all pb so making sure we have the correct formats. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:47, 9 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: 186 x 125 mm, gemäß Regeldefinition von ISFDB ist das ein tp. Aber da gibt es ja verschiedene Diskussionen!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:09, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: As the answer is incomprehensible for non-English speakers, I'll correct the entry per ISFDB standard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Ich habe nichts anderes von Ihnen erwartet, aber gerade nicht englisch sprechende Nutzer können meinen Beitrag verstehen! Das Umschlagbild wird hoffentlich noch geändert oder ist das auch nicht regelkonform? Aber was rege ich mich auf, ich bin es ja gewohnt, dass Daten willkürlich geändert werden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:06, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::: Wolfram: As noted above (by AnnieMod): It is necessary to phrase your answers in English, because the majority of moderators, editors and users don't understand German. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::: Why “correct” it, a width/height/smaller dimmension of 125 mm makes that a tp indeed. I will reverse the change. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:39, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Since when does it do that? This are 12.5 cm ! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:46, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::: yes. 1 cm too wide to be pb. The cutoff is at 11 cm, with a grace size till 11.5. 12.5 is 1 cm too wide. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format the rules page]: "For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"." It is annoying that this makes almost all European books tp but until the wording is changed, 12.5 makes a book a tp. If you want to start a R&S discussion for changing that and adding an exception for European books to fit the 12.5s in, I will support it. But under the current rule, it is a tp. 13:52, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Removing first printing ==<br />
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If [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4465970 this] gets approved, we will need to also set the date to 0000-00-00 (unless you have a source for the date in your book). Any source or should I make it 0000-00-00? And is there nothing in the book to show printing order? Usually for most publishers, that would mean first printing...[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:02, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: The first part (first edition) that you are trying to remove is visible on the back cover scan and I cannot imagine a better source than that. So why do you want to remove it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:04, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Alle Daten, die ich als "Primary verifier" eingebe stammen zwingend aus dem Buch anderenfalls wird eine Quelle angegeben, andere Nutzer, die das Buch nicht besitzen, sollten schon dazu schreiben woher die Daten stammen (auch wenn sie in diesem Fall auf dem Cover zu erkennen sein sollen), z. B. source: backcover.<br />
::"Originalausgabe" bedeutet nicht unbedingt "first edition" oder irre ich mich da?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:42, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: From what I had seen in the German pubs, Originalausgabe (aka "original edition") means exactly what first edition means. We can change that to "Original/First edition" if you prefer. <br />
::: And removing the data when it is visible on the cover is not really a good idea. Add to it to mention the source of you must but flat removal is counterproductive. <br />
::: Back to that date: So can you please cite the source for the date? Is it on the copyright page? Somewhere else? Even as a PV, you should say where each piece of information is coming from - which part of the book. If the date is printed as is, then you are very likely to have a first printing. We can add a "non-stated" if you want to but unless you are claiming 2 printings in 1 month (source?) which are unrecognizable from each other, the date is enough to identify it as first printing. So you cannot have it both ways - either the date is correct and it is a first printing or it is not and we change to 0000-00-00 (and we create a separate record for the first edition) or you provide a source that says that there were two printings in that month and we mark this as unknown printing and add a new one for the first. So what is the date of that book? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:50, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::: Siehe oben. Die Daten stammen alle aus dem Buch (Primary verifier) und benötigen keine Extra-Quelle. Ob die Daten auf Seite 10 oder sonst wo im Buch stehen ist völlig irrelevant. Ich kenne keinen Hinweis, dass das Buch die Erstausgabe und/oder 1. Auflage ist, an Vermutungen oder Hypothesen beteilige ich mich nicht. Das ist keine gesunde Grundlage für eine Datenbank. Da es aber anscheinend bei manchen Nutzern üblich ist, Daten zu "verbiegen", wundert mich gar nichts mehr.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:01, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::Das ist auch der Grund, warum ich hier kaum noch Daten eingebe.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:08, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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::::: Except when tries to figure out if they have the same book - when you do not enter where the data is, that is impossible. This is the whole point if the details we record - to find all the possible printings and editions. At this point we know that :<br />
:::::* There is a first printing with that date (which you claim is not your book)<br />
:::::* There s your book (which you refuse to add details about)<br />
::::: The date belongs to the first book for sure. If it belongs to yours as well, we need to know how it was determined so someone can match theirs to yours. Clicking a box that says "I have the book" does not mean "and I do not need to tell you anything about it". It means "I have and and I want to share all the information it contains". We have a rule for undated printings - they do not get a date from their first printings.<br />
::::: So please share where the date is printed exactly and I will be more than happy to accept the change, add this to your notes and create another unverified copy for a first printing (which must exist if there are later ones). If the data is there, it will take you a lot less time to just answer than it took you to argue that you have the right not to answer that questions. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:57, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::: Abgesehen davon, dass ich nur die Hälfte verstanden habe, auch der Google Übersetzer ist nicht sehr hilfreich:<br><br />
:::::: 1. Ich habe alle relevanten Daten aus meinem Buch eingetragen<br><br />
:::::: 2. Ein Klick auf den Button "I own this book" bedeutet nur, dass ich das Buch besitze und alle Daten daraus stammen<br><br />
:::::: 3. Die Notizen stammen nicht von mir<br><br />
:::::: 4. Notizen gebe ich generell keine mehr ein, da sie sowieso durch einen Moderator verfälscht werden (dazu gehören auch Änderungen des Schreibstils und der Formulierungen!)<br><br />
:::::: 5. Ich habe nichts abgestritten<br><br />
:::::: 6. Weitere Hilfe kann ich Ihnen nicht anbieten<br><br />
:::::: 7. Warum wurden meine Daten bezüglich der Autorin geändert? Ist es neuerdings üblich, Daten willkürlich zu löschen?<br />
:::::: 8. Gerne verschwende ich weiterhin meine Zeit, um diese Diskussion weiterzuführen--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:25, 13 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::: I had not changed any of your data here. I asked a single simple question - where is the date coming from. That's all. It would have taken a LOT less from your time to just answer my question so I can act accordingly. It is all about the consistency and accuracy of the data, right? So I am asking you for more details on a certain element of your data. If you have a problem with someone changing data, discuss it with them. As I said:<br />
:::::::* If this is not the first edition, I will add a new book for the first<br />
:::::::* We have a rule for undated printings.<br />
::::::: If you answer that the date is printed on the copyright page (or somewhere else), that would have finished that whole bilingual discussion, I would have approved your edit, added the note on where the date is noted and created another record for the first printing. Unfortunately you decided not to answer the question -- at which point leaving the record with the date and without the notes will end up with someone deciding it is a duplicate for the first printing and again reedit. <br />
::::::: If the date is NOT in your book, then we need to put the date as 0000-00-00. <br />
::::::: So - '''the question is still the same''': is the date printed in the book and where in the book? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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(unindent)One more note - if we have a record that says "first printing" and yours is not, then you should clone and create a separate record and verify that. I am not sure what the timeline of this one is (so if you created and someone added "First edition, first printing" that does not apply but just adding a note in general). If you try to use the date of the first printing, you will get the same question I am asking you here -- but other from that, you verify what you have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:58, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Wenden Sie sich bitte an den Nutzer, der die Notizen eingetragen hat, derjenige wird Ihnen seine Quellen mitteilen können!<br />
:Auf meiner Diskussionsseite wird bevorzugt deutsch geschrieben. Sollte das gegen irgendeine Regel verstoßen, teilen Sie es mir bitte mit.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:22, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: I updated the publication with the missing contents, the correct page count, and helpful notes, since the printing no. was clearly stated on the copyright page (as this publisher uses to state for all of its publications since the end of the 1980s).<br />
:: Wolfram, this site is about sharing bibliographic information, not about hiding it! If we know that you own a particular publication, this is not enough if you don't also supply the printing number if asked to (as we break down to that level). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:13, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Daten eingeben ist kein "muss" sondern ein "kann". Es liegt in meinem Ermessen, welche Daten ich verwende. Meine Eingaben sind beschränkt auf die Eingabefelder. Notizen schreibe ich nicht mehr, da sie sowieso von Ihnen verfälscht/umgeschrieben/umformuliert/gelöscht werden. Wie ich in den aktuellen Diskussionen [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Wrong_Title hier] sehe, ist das ja auch keine Ausnahme. Sie sollten Ihr Verhalten anderen Nutzern gegenüber einmal hinterfragen und die nötigen Konsequenzen ziehen. Ich bin ja nicht der einzige Nutzer, der hier vergrault wird. Übrigens, meine Seiteneingabe 715 ist das Ende der Novelle, nachfolgende unwichtige Daten habe ich ignoriert. Sie selber haben auch vergessen das Autorenportrait, die Karte und den Prolog zu erwähnen (this site is about sharing bibliographic information, not about hiding it!).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:55, 23 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Please do not edit archived discussions ==<br />
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As you did [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive15&diff=prev&oldid=565329 here]. It is unlikely anyone will see your comments (I only saw them because I archived the comments back in 2018). You're welcome to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_and_standards_discussions&action=edit&section=new start a new discussion] if you think the topic still needs to be addressed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:28, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Darauf habe ich leider nicht geachtet.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:39, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::No problem. Please pay closer attention in the future. It's all good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:22, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Es wird keine Zukunft mehr geben.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:01, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Schwarze Saat and Schwarze Frucht ==<br />
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Hello! I hold the submissions of your two entries. You want to change the titles of this pubs. What is your actual source? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:18, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Both edits were rejected before. Trying again with another moderator? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:44, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Auf dem Cover steht der Titel, wie von mir angegeben (allerdings ohne Doppelpunkt). Wo liegt das Problem?<br />
@ Willem: Trying again with <b>a</b> moderator!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:10, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::Hello Wolfram! You ask what is the problem: <br />
::::1. Per ISDB policy is the cover title irrelevant. The title on the title page is valid.<br />
::::2. The name of a series is never part of the title.<br />
::::3. You didn't inform the PV that you want to change the title.<br />
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:::::BTW: The general policy is to communicate in English and it's not kind and very impolite not to answer in English. For many non-English-speaking editors and moderators it is not always easy, but EVERYBODY except you respects it. It's puzzling that you don't want to follow, because you pose as an advocate of explicit rules and insist that they should be followed. Somewhat paradoxical. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 04:34, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::I' ve just discovered that you answer in other threads on English. if you keep that up, that would be nice. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 04:44, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::::Auf meiner Diskussionsseite wird bevorzugt deutsch geschrieben, da das effizienter ist. Sollte das gegen irgendeine schriftliche Regel verstoßen, teilen Sie es mir bitte mit. Wer Interesse an meinen Beiträgen hat, kann den Google Übersetzer benutzen, handhabe ich ja genauso. Ich respektiere, dass auf anderen Seiten englisch geschrieben wird, dann sollte auch respektiert werden, dass hier deutsch erwünscht ist. Das ist eine Frage der Toleranz.<br />
:::::::zu 1. Den Titel auf der Titelseite kenne ich natürlich nicht, ich ging davon aus, dass beides der Gleiche ist.<br />
:::::::zu 2. Der Name der Serie lautet "Perry Rhodan universe" (warum universe und nicht Universum?). Bedeutet das, es darf kein Wort, welches in einem Serientitel verwendet wird, in einem Titel benutzt werden? Das wäre interessant.<br />
:::::::zu 3. Warum sollte ich einen PV, der ebenso meine PV-Daten, speziell Notizen, <b>ungefragt</b> manipuliert/löscht/umformuliert, benachrichtigen? Gleiches Recht für alle. Sie hatten doch auch zu diesem Thema Probleme mit einem wohlbekannten Moderator, wird das verdrängt? Übrigens, wozu ist der Button "My Changed Primary Verifications" vorhanden, der macht eigentlich Benachrichtigungen überflüssig?<br />
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:::::::Wichtiger als diese Diskussionen über Höflichkeit und Nettigkeit ist das korrigieren von falschen Regeln, z. B. Format pb/tp.<br />
:::::::Ihr Problem der verschiedenen Sprachen wird es in Zukunft auch nicht mehr geben, da ich sowieso nur noch sporadisch Daten eingeben/korrigieren und potenzielle Diskussionen darüber meiden werde.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 01:59, 20 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator notes ==<br />
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Please don't use the moderator note field to send rude messages, as you did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4523628 here]. We are all volunteers, and using the note to tell people off is not helpful. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:57, 26 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: Warum löschen Sie von mir eingegebene Daten und verfälschen diese? Das ist schon eine Frechheit, aber das scheint immer mehr zur Gewohnheit zu werden. Woher haben Sie diese Infos? Quellenangaben fehlen.<br />
: Das Moderatorennotizfeld dient dazu, Infos an die Moderatoren zu geben, das ist nicht unhöflich sondern leider notwendig.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:39, 27 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::I didn't delete anything you entered, and I didn't falsify anything. The only thing I did was approve your submission. What I'm talking about is this note: "Please do not ask senseless questions for further details or sources. All data are from the book (called PV)!" If someone has a question about what you entered, it's not a "senseless question". Please don't accuse people of falsifying information or deleting content when you have no proof of it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:34, 27 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Zum Zeitpunkt meiner Beschwerde gab es keine Hinweise auf andere beteiligte Personen, jedenfalls habe ich keine gesehen.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:48, 29 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Book title ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram ! <br />
I hold your submission, because you want to change the title of the book with the explanation that ''Der Totengräbersohn'' is the title series and ''Buch 1'' the book title. I don't own the book, but you can have a look into the book at Amazon and on the title page it is written ''Der Totengräbersohn'' and additionally ''Buch 1''. According to the ISFDB guidelines we use as the title of a book and a possible subtitle what is displayed on the title page. Therefore it should actually be called ''Der Totengräbersohn: Buch 1''. The Deutsche Nationalbibliothek also titles the book in the same way. Is there anything to be said against following these rules? This does not contradict the fact that ''Der Totengräbersohn'' can be both the title and, as you suggest, the series title. Regards Rudolf! [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 16:45, 1 January 2020 (EST)<br />
: Hallo Rudolf, leider ist auf der Homepage von S. Feuerbach auch keine eindeutige Titelgebung vorhanden, dort nennt er seine Bücher Totengräbersohn 1, Totengräber 2 usw.<br />
: Serientitel und Titel dürfen nicht ganz oder teilweise gleich sein, ich verweise auf ein Zitat von Dir: "The name of a series is never part of the title", siehe weiter oben.<br />
: Um regelkonform zu sein, habe ich meine Eingabe in dieser Form gemacht.<br />
: Den Serientitel "Totengräbersohn-Reihe" habe ich von Sams Homepage übernommen, den Titel von der Titelseite der Bücher, wobei ich den Titel "Buch 1" nicht als Untertitel sondern als Haupttitel ansehe. Bestätigt wird das im Blick ins Buch von Buch 4, dort steht eine Übersicht der Serie mit dem Serientitel: "Die Totengräbersohn-Saga" und die Titel "Buch 1", "Buch 2", "Buch 3" und "Buch 4". Und das ist wohl richtig so, bis auf kleine Unterschiede in der Schreibweise des Serientitels habe ich es auch so eingegeben.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:26, 3 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Hello Wofram! You're right about the series title, I didn't explain it properly and expressed myself ambiguously. As there is no specific series title, you can choose any title you wish, like "Totengräbersohn-Reihe".<br />
::You justify your choice of the book title with the fact that it is listed in an index in volume 4. But as I said, we only use the title that is printed on the title page. Therefore the title of the book can only be as I have recommended.<br />
::Your stubbornness not to follow the agreed language of our community is remarkable and disrespectful! I'm not good in English either, but I respect the agreement! Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 03:25, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Also stimmt Deine Aussage: "The name of a series is never part of the title" nicht? Über Respekt brauchen wir nicht zu diskutieren, fangt erst einmal an, den Moderatoren Respekt vor fremden Daten beizubringen!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:00, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: Of course my statement is still correct. I didn't question it. The words ''part of'' are missing in the sentence behind suggest ''This does not contradict the fact that ''Der Totengräbersohn'' can be both the title and, as you suggest, the series title''. My fault. I've approved your new series title. Would you please take position on the original issue.<br />
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::::Because I always need a lot of time to answer you in English, I expect that you will also answer in English in the future. If you do not agree with this, please contact other moderators. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 13:23, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::::: Auf meiner Diskussionsseite (Talk Page) wird bevorzugt deutsch geschrieben, aber englisch wird von mir toleriert und ich suche auch keinesfalls Kontakt zu Moderatoren, eher umgekehrt. Wir sollten uns doch sachlich mit der Problematik der Titelgebung und der quellenlosen Notizen auseinandersetzen oder ist das hier nicht mehr möglich? Jedenfalls stimmen noch immer einige Daten nicht.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:04, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::: As this is firstly an English database (with the possibility of adding publications in other languages) and with English as common language between the volunteers from all over the world, I strongly encourage the use of English throughout the whole database, and that is including this talk page, and the naming of series, if you not offer transliterations of the series name, or mention a translation after a slash. If you do not agree, take it up with Ahasuerus and/or Anniemod.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 06:30, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::::Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?57581 link to the series in question]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:41, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) A few general observations:<br />
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* Titles. When possible, we use what is stated on the title page of the book to determine the book's title. (The reason I say "when possible" is that some publications, notably certain recent e-books, do not have a title page.) A book's author may use a different title on his or her Web page for any number of reasons. For example, he may be using the title of another edition, a "working" (i.e. pre-publication) title or any number of other scenarios. It shouldn't affect the way we record the book's title in the database.<br />
* Series names embedded in titles:<br />
** In the past, we allowed the use of series names and numbers in the title field. To use this book as an example, under the old rules it would have been OK to record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2667596 ''Der Totengräbersohn''] as "Der Totengräbersohn: Die Totengräbersohn-Saga Buch 1" or something similar. If I recall correctly, the reason was, at least in part, that our software didn't display series names and numbers on certain bibliographic pages. Once the software was updated to display the series information everywhere, we decided that series names should no longer be embedded in titles.<br />
** Having said that, there are books which do not have titles that are different from the name of the series that they belong to. For example, consider {{A|Eric Vall}}. With one exception, all of his books have titles like "Dragon Emperor 5", "Succubus Lord 12", "Without Law 7", etc. This is also how most Japanese young adult books (so called "light novels") are published. For example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?51952 ''Lazy Dungeon Master''] or {{A|Funa}}'s Summary page. When this happens, the series name necessarily becomes a part of the title and that's how we enter it in the database.<br />
* The use of English vs. other languages on Talk pages. The reason that we use English as the language of all Wiki pages, including Talk pages, is that we want all editors and moderators to be able to understand all Wiki-based discussions. Using other languages would make it difficult or impossible for others to contribute to discussions. It would make it difficult for moderators who do not know the submitting editor's preferred language to work with his or her submissions because they would have no way to review previous discussions.<br />
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Hope this helps! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:32, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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(unindent)About the series names in other languages, we have a bit of a history there as well<br />
* We did not use to be able to add transliterations. As a result most of the non-English series had either a translation or a transliteration as part of its name - we literally had on other place to note these. We had been adding transliterations lately ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?257 see this report]) but we still have some weird cases<br />
* Now that we can transliterate cleanly, it comes down to practices<br />
** If the series is translated into English, having a format of "original series name / English series name" kinda makes sense. Then we add all other languages in the notes<br />
** If the series is never translated, it gets more complicated. If we make up a name, we run the risk of basically becoming inventors instead of bibliographers. Take for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?57609 this series]. It is in Bulgarian and chances are that it will never be translated - and if it does, it will probably have a name that is not the translation of the Bulgarian title. I can add the English name in there but... what if it is in a language noone here speaks or if another Bulgarian speaker disagrees. So I add the translation in the notes and leave it at that. <br />
We still insist the notes and summaries to be in English but titles and series names are a bit of a special case - they belong to the books so they have the language of the book.<br />
All things considered, I think that the format of the series names may be a good topic for a discussion over at R&S so we are all on the same page. If we decide to always have an English name embedded, I am fine with that but we need to be careful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:18, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::@Ahasuerus, ich bevorzuge die deutsche Sprache, da ich mich da am besten ausdrücken kann und wenigstens die deutschen Moderatoren verstehen können, was ich ausdrücken möchte. Jede Übersetzung mit dem Google Übersetzer verfälscht und verstümmelt meine Aussagen!<br />
:::Daher verzichte ich auch auf die parallele Darstellung deutsch/englisch. Jeder, der Interesse hat, meine Kommentare zu lesen, kann den Google Übersetzer nutzen. Das ist besser, effizienter und speichersparender, als wenn ich generell eine Übersetzung anbieten würde.<br />
:::Ich wundere mich nur, dass einige user sich darüber aufregen, aber zu Sachthemen keine Antwort haben.<br />
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:::Zum Thema: Es wurden Eingaben von mir mit folgender Begründung zurückgewiesen, ich zitiere: "The name of a series is never part of the title" (Rudam). Um nicht in Konflikt damit zu kommen, schlug ich Folgendes vor: Serientitel "Der Totengräbersohn" und Titel: Buch 1, das wurde abgelehnt, obwohl es so in meinem Buch auf der Titelseite steht. Dann habe ich Rudams Vorschlag übernommen: Serientitel: "Der Totengräbersohn" und Titel: Der Totengräbersohn: Buch 1", das wurde ebenfalls abgelehnt (von Stonecreek). Aktuell lauten der Serientitel und der Titel: "Der Totengräbersohn", alle weiteren Bände Nr. 2, 3 und 4 lauten aber ebenfalls "Der Totengräbersohn" (Buch 2, Buch 3, Buch 4), was natürlich für Verwirrung sorgt. Dazu erscheinen noch Notizen mit Daten ohne Quellenangaben, die nicht von mir stammen (meine PV Daten wurden gelöscht!) und somit nicht PV sind. Alle Korrekturversuche scheitern an dem regelwidrigen Handeln von Stonecreek. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:26, 14 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hello, Wolfram! To give the title according 1) to your proposal, 2) to the ISFDB standard as proposed by Ahasuerus & 3) to the other titles in the series, it seems best to change the title to ''Der Totengräbersohn Buch 1'' (it would also be analogous to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507897 this example]). What do you think about it?<br />
:::: There's also the discrepancy that DNB states a page count of 399 (and buchhandel.de even one of 400) for this edition, and your verified pub. only has one of 397. Since 75-90 per cent of your verified publications have shown an erroneous indexing of the pages of the respective publication and DNB is not known for stating too high a page count, would you please take a look and state here what content is on the pages 397-400? Please remember to answer in English (so that other moderators will understand what's going on). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:08, 16 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::::With no reaction I submitted the proposed change, and also added some more information and a cautionary note on the pge count. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:50, 20 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Die Anzahl der Seiten der Novelle beträgt exakt 397, jede weitere Seite ist entweder leer oder enthält unwichtige Daten (Werbung, Vorschau, Dankeschön oder Ähnliches), so wird bei mir die Seitenzahl definiert. Daher kommt wohl auch die falsche Aussage von 90 % Fehlerquote, wobei bemerkt werden muss, dass Ihre Fehlerquote bei der Einstufung pb/tp ca. 100 % beträgt. Da das Nichtbefolgen von Regeln hier üblich ist, nehme ich mir auch die Freiheit heraus eine sinnvolle Definition der Seitenzahl zu benutzen. Diskussion darüber ist überflüssig, da sowieso kein Ergebnis erzielt wird. Im Gegensatz zu anderen Nutzern habe ich noch ein reales Leben und antworte daher nur sporadisch. Sie können gerne in englischer Sprache antworten.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 01:29, 22 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Bertelsmann book club publications ==<br />
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Hi! The handling of Bertelsmann book club publications is resp. was a muddle, the pubs were distributed over 3 publishers: Bertelsmann Lesering, Club Bertelsmann and RM Buch und Medien Vertrieb GmbH. After having a communication with [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Bertelsmann Stonecreek], now there are 2 Bertelsmann publishers: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?44058 Bertelsmann / Book Sales Clubs] for the club editions and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?29555 C. Bertelsmann] for the trade editions (also see publisher notes). You are the primary verifier of this affected book club publications: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?518319 Ovaron]. I am going to change the publisher to <i>Bertelsmann / Book Sales Clubs</i>. If you don't agree please let me know. [[User:Boskar|Boskar]] 10:05, 9 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Submissions deleting valuable information ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! The submissions referred to above that were put into the queue ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4739020 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4739020 here]) are not acceptable, as you've been made aware of before with other examples (that's why they were undone). Additional sourcing & other valuable information can be added by other editors (and is appreciated by the ISFDB community). If you wish to change this you are free to start a discussion, for example at the moderator's board. And the question of Bastei Lübbe's publication series was resolved in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar/Archive1#Als_es_noch_Menschen_gab this discussion] among the German moderators. Again, if you are not content with this, please contact us and start a new discussion. <br />
If you wish to do so, or are willing to answer, please use the English language, so that others can understand your argument: that is the language to use here. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:26, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi! I since it seems possible that you hadn't read the above when submitting [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4739933 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4739942 this]. The first one takes no account of the consensus regarding the Bastei Lübbe pub. series to insert referred to above, the sesond again tries to delete valuable information: there's no change of data (= information) by me, only additional information (and for that - quite lgically - text has to be added). I have put those two on hold and will wait for another day - that you may be able to answer - before bringing this onto the moderator's board. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:30, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Meister der Türme ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram. Unfortunately I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4740058 your submission] because your proposed edits do not add new information (except for publisher code, see below), would decrease the readability of the notes, and would effectively remove valid information. For example:<br />
*Part of the text that you want to change reads ''The final page of the novel (p. 541) is unnumbered; a note of thanks is printed on p. [542].'', which you want to change into ''Last unnumbered page of text: #541 contains the rest of the novel; Additional page[s]: 1 unnumbered page with "Note of thanks"''. Your proposed change is difficult to understand (it is not proper English), and does not clarify that the "Note of thanks" is on unnumbered p.[542]. Also, the use of #541 is not standard (many people will not immediately understand what # means)<br />
*The current notes specify ''The copyright for the cover art is assigned to Drechsler on the copyright page; the map is credited there to Weber.'', which you want to change into ''Maps: Markus Weber''. Here you propose to remove ''copyright for the cover art is assigned to Drechsler on the copyright page'', which is valid information thus should not be removed.<br />
*You also propose to remove '' "1. Auflage: Dezember 2014" is stated on the copyright page.'', which, again, is valid information and therefore should not be removed.<br />
There's basically only one piece of information that you should/could have added, namely '' 'Publisher code: 20777' '', because that is new data.<br />
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: Only that it's not a 'publisher code' (again that'd be difficult to understand), but it is the publisher's catalogue number, and is already reflected in the series number. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:06, 28 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Insisting that no-one is allowed to change your notes (as you state in your Note to moderators, I quote: '' '...it is not allowed to change any correct data from me! This is against all rules of this board and decency.' '') is bad form since you do '''not''' own the text written down in the notes (even if it's written by you). This therefore means that any other editor has the right to '''improve the data''', even if the record is primary verified (observing the etiquette to inform the primary verifiers of course, either on their talk page or through the Note to Moderators field).<br />
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To summarize: <br />
*I rejected your edit because you are proposing to remove valid information (and your notes are difficult to read)<br />
*You do '''not''' own the text in the notes field, so every other editor is allowed to '''improve''' upon existing data, whether it is verified or not<br />
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Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 18:04, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I'll try one more time to explain what was communicated with you some times before: the meaning of ISFDB is to share bibliographic information ''in a way that is understandable for the majority of users''; this also includes showing incongruencies and mistakes as stated by a given publisher (for example a statement for a first edition, when there is at least one simultaneous - possibly ebook - edition, or an erroneous credit for an artist). So, these informations are welcomed by us, and we are thankful to anybody supplying such things. If you don't see your goals reflected in helping us, and just want to catalogue your collection, that's fine, but additions by other hands will still be allowed in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:19, 28 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Mal auf die Schnelle, da ich keine Zeit vergeuden will auf solchen Unsinn näher einzugehen.<br />
::Punkt 1: Meine Texte in den Notizen sind also nicht verständlich? Das ist der Grund, warum ein Moderator (pardon, der Moderator) meine "eingegebenen" Daten manipulieren darf? Ihr beiden habt sicher eine Umfrage aller Mitglieder und Nutzer gestartet, die eure Aussagen bestätigen, oder?<br />
:::: A moderator did not manipulate your data. A moderator improved and completed your data. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Punkt 2: eigentlich nebensächlich, aber typisch für ISFDB: Das Zeichen # wird von vielen nicht verstanden? Warum wird es dann von euch selber benutzt (Pub Series #)? Typisch für ISFDB, die eigenen Regeln müssen nicht von Moderatoren eingehalten werden, nur von den Nutzern.<br />
:::: False argument. # = number, not page number. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Punkt 3: Wenn das Geschreibsel von Stonecreek Standard sein soll, dann habe ich hier wirklich nichts verloren und werde auch endgültig einen Schlussstrich ziehen. Das Niveau ist mir dann doch etwas zu niedrig.<br />
:::: This is a rude statement, on the border of insulting. Stonecreek's texts may not be perfect, but at least is accepted by all but one editors and moderators, and is of superior quality to many other submissions. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Ich lasse mich doch nicht von zwei kleinen Moderatoren verulken, dazu ist mir meine Zeit zu schade. Schade auch, dass die investierte Zeit um Daten einzugeben, sinnlos war, da permanent Daten verändert wurden (unter dem Vorwand der mangelnden Verständlichkeit meiner Eingaben). Aber dafür ist ja Stonecreek bekannt, er ändert ja auch ungefragt Daten seines Moderatorenkollegen und anderen Nutzern, stand schon kurz vor dem Rausschmiss, hat sich aber wieder demütig zu allen Regeln von ISFDB bekannt und durfte weitermachen, als wenn nie etwas geschehen wäre. Das nenne ich Gedächtnisverlust.<br />
:::: Why the insult? We are merely providing factual and well-meaning suggestions to improve data and try to let you understand how ISFDB works. As for Stonecreek, at least he did understand that he was not abiding by the (spirit of the) rules. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Punkt 4: Ich fand ISFDB immer informativ und umfangreich, leider haben hier aber Personen das Sagen von denen Abraham Lincoln sagte: „Willst du den Charakter eines Menschen erkennen, so gib ihm Macht.“ Wohl wahr! Ihr könnt euch beruhigt zurücklehnen, ihr habt es (wieder) geschafft, einen Nutzer zu verjagen. Glückwunsch.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:50, 29 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hi, Wolfram. I gather from your answer that you're not willing to discuss with others on the points that were decided by the majority (not just me). If you have difficulties with rules reached in a democratic way it is your choice not to make any attempt to change the consensus, but please don't blame your decision onto others. We are open to any discussion, but you will have to start one to change things. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:06, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::Ihr habt hier keine Demokratie, sondern Willkür einzelner Moderatoren, es gibt nichts mehr zu diskutieren, was nicht schon diskutiert wurde. Von meiner Seite her ist alles gesagt worden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:08, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Please, go away and never come back. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, decisions & rules reached by voting on proposals do make up democratic decisions, don't they? What would make up a democratic process in your opinion? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:37, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Let me re-emphasize something that we discussed a few months ago. Using languages other than English on Talk pages makes it difficult for other editors and moderators to determine what's going on and possibly help. It's especially hard when tempers are running high. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:50, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I think Wolfram never did (or wanted to) understand why ISFDB does exist and what its purpose is. This may have been caused by his limited understanding of English. I for one would not have taken over the task of translating to and from other languages, trying to translate the exact meaning as well. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:13, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I have added the "Inactive user" template to the top of this page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:08, 3 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Die graue Eminenz im Hintergrund, die immer am Thema vorbeiredet...<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Conversation continued from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Scifibones#Moderator_status Moderator status]<br />
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Greetings Wolfram, I apologize for the confusion regarding 'Die Schwerter von Zinjaban' author attribution. Christian Stonecreek was correct to reverse your edit. I should have put it on hold and asked you to seek agreement from Stoecker. In fact, I was writing a note asking him if he agreed that 'Catherine Crook de Camp' s/b credited as co-author when I received Christian's note. Do not be angry, let's move forward. Please write Stoecker detailing the changes you wish to make. I will monitor the conversation and approve whatever you two agree on. Thanks for your cooperation. John Scifibones 12:52, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Hello John, I wonder why stonecreek still has the right to edit entries, since he's probably no longer a moderator.<br />
:My new submission confirms that "Catherine Crook de Camp" is a co-author (stated on title page and on copyright page).<br />
:Some time ago I talked to stoecker, he confirmed to me that he no longer works at isfdb, so an inquiry would not result in anything, nor would it change the facts.<br />
:In fact, as a PV and owner of this title/publication, I only enter true data.<br />
:I'm not willing to start pointless requests that only waste time and don't produce any results. I hope you understand.<br />
:As long as stonecreek is allowed to do its mischief here, I won't make any further entries anyway.<br />
:Google translator.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:36, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Das Schiff ==<br />
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Just a quick reminder - when adding a translator to the title notes, you must use the Tr template. I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3110286 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:44, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Why? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 17:04, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Because the template was created to assist when and if we ever get the roles properly implemented. If you don’t use the template, you create more work for another editor because someone will need to fix the incorrect format on this title record - so it is appreciated if the editors actually use the format. Thanks. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:54, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Apart from the fact that I still don't understand what the template is for, what does mean e.g. "we ever get the roles properly implemented", why should we only use the template for the title notes and not for the publication notes? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 12:07, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::No answer? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 12:44, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: not everyone is here 24/7. You can use templates in both places if you prefer - we enforce it only in the titles but it is permitted elsewhere as well. The titles is where it is important - as we use a separate title for each translation, even if the language and title matches otherwise. One of the requested improvements for the site is to allow the crediting of the translators to be done in a more visible way (so translators have their own pages and authors who also translate have their translations listed on their pages). When that is added to the site, the usage of the template will allow for automatic and semi-automatic migration of the data. As the translator is tied to the title and not the publication, that’s where the template usage will become critical - the translators mentioned in the publication notes are useful when we untangle a combined collection that should not have been combined but we won’t use them to populate any data elements so they will remain just notes forever. As mentioned before, if you don’t use the template, someone will need to fix the title note later. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:45, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Unblock ==<br />
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Can someone unblock this talk page? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 12:24, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: You are posting so it is not blocked? What errors are you seeing? So you mean the warning at the top that you are inactive? If so - I can do that (or you can) - just edit the whole page and remove the <nowiki>{{Inactive user}}</nowiki> from the top. Let me know if you want me to do it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2002-12 ''Die 13 1/2 Leben des Käpt'n Blaubär'' ==<br />
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Hi. I have held [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5822287 this submission] for 2002-12 ''Die 13 1/2 Leben des Käpt'n Blaubär''. Two questions:<br />
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# What is the ISBN in the book? 13-digit ISBNs (9783442453818) were not assigned until 2007, so a 2002 book should not have an ISBN-13.<br />
# Are you sure 2002-12 is correct? We have that date for the first printing. A 14th printing on the same date is unlikely.<br />
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If the book does have 9783442453818 for the ISBN, then it was published in 2007 or later. If the only date in the book is 2002-12, then we should make the date for this 0000-00-00 ("unknown").<br />
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I will adjust your submission from what you tell me. You do not need to change it. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:33, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: ISBN: 978-3-442-45381-8 stated on the back cover and on the copyright page.<br />
: 14. Auflage Taschenbuchausgabe Dezember 2002 stated on the copyright page.<br />
: Perhaps the data of the first edition are incorrect? But because of the ISBN-13, this is unlikely. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you. I will add those two statements to the notes. Since the ISBN-13 tells us this edition cannot be from 2002, I think we should read ''14. Auflage Taschenbuchausgabe Dezember 2002'' as '''''14. Auflage der Taschenbuchausgabe vom Dezember 2002''''' and not as '''''14. Auflage Dezember 2002 der Taschenbuchausgabe'''''. In other words, it is saying the paperback edition was first published in 2002 and does not tell us when this 14th edition was published. Is that ok? If you agree, I will change the date to 0000-00-00 and also add a note that the ISBN-13 and 2002 date do not agree. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:24, 23 February 2024 (EST)</div>
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{{welcome}} [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:55, 19 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Sündenfall'' ==<br />
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Thank you very much for adding this publication. I had to adapt a few fields to the standards of our little database: <br />
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1) I changed the price to €15.00, which is the standard for Euro prices (and analog for dollars & pounds: no space between the sigle and the value, old german prices would be entered with a space: DM X.XX or M X.XX). <br />
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2) I added the note 'First German edition, first printing' to the book, assuming that this is the case (if it should be a higher printing, please correct the note).<br />
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3) I had to remove the German title series: the series of the original English version has the precedence.<br />
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Finally I added a note of the translator to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1836669 title entry], where it is most meaningful. <br />
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Would you like to variant the german title to the original one? Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:04, 19 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I have put your new submission on hold. Instead I varianted the first title to the original English one. I guess you didn't find the title & the publication of your first submission, so I'm inclined to reject your latest one, as it doesn't add a new printing or edition. (But I'll wait one day waiting for an answer). Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 20 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
:I have now rejected your submission, but I do think that your first was meant the same. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Hallo Christian,<br />
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ich spreche leider nicht sehr viel Englisch, daher kann ich jetzt nicht nachvollziehen, warum mein Eintrag "Sündenfall" gelöscht wurde, ebenso sind meine Kenntnisse bez. Wikis eher marginal.<br />
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Ich sehe gerade, dass der Titel nicht gelöscht wurde, sondern als Variante des englischen Titels dargestellt wird. Ist zwar in meinen Augen nicht optimal, aber wenn es nicht anders funktioniert, dann ist das OK.<br />
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MfG.<br />
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[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 18:27, 22 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Hallo, Wolfram! Nicht optimal mag es scheinen, aber so ist die ISFDB nun einmal organisiert (umgekehrt wird eine englische Übersetzung ebenso als Variante des Originals aus einer anderen Sprache eingesetzt). Es ist auch die einzige Möglichkeit, den Überblick zu behalten, insbesondere bei vielübersetzten Autoren. Die Umgangssprache hier ist aber Englisch, da alle [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Moderator_availability Moderatoren] darüber kommunizieren: nur Mut, es muss wirklich nicht perfekt sein (ich werde deswegen zukünftig auch wieder darauf umsteigen, allein damit die anderen in meiner Abwesenheit beurteilen können, was in konkreten Fällen geschehen ist und reagieren können).<br />
::Aufgrund der Organisation der ISFDB musste ich leider auch deine zweite Eingabe ablehnen: wir sind hier auf zwei Ebenen organisiert: Publikationen (ein konkretes Buch oder Heft) & Titel (sozusagen immateriell). Z. B. sind einzelne Stories oder Essays nur durch ihren Titel vertreten, sie tauchen dann mit ihren Titeln in Publikationen auf. Es können aber nun nur Titel zu Varianten anderer Titel gemacht werden, so dass das, was du versuchst, leider nicht funktioniert, da dann ein Titel mit konkreten Informationen zu einer Publikation versehen wäre. Ich werde versuchen, 'deine' Publikation einzugeben, wobei automatisch der zugehörige Titel erzeugt wird, und dann die Varianten in Beziehung zueinander zu setzen. (But from now on it's English). Danke vielmals trotzdem, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Hallo Christian, jetzt bin ich ganz verwirrt, ich habe doch extra den Punkt "Add a Variant Title" gewählt, weil die deutsche Fassung ja eine Variante des englischen Originals ist, wie soll man denn deutsche Übersetzungen mit neuem Titel, anderem Verlag usw. eingeben?<br />
Zum Thema englische Sprache: Wenn ich englisch schreiben müsste, würde ich eine Menge Zeit damit verbringen, überhaupt etwas Lesbares zu erzeugen. In der Zeit könnte ich sinnvollerweise Daten eingeben. Ich kämpfe schon mit der Übersetzung englisch -> deutsch. Gibt es denn ein deutschsprachiges Wiki mit demselben Thema? Wenn es nichts ausmacht, schreibe ich meine Kommentare weiterhin auf deutsch, ansonsten macht es keinen Sinn soviel Zeit zu investieren, ohne produktiv zu sein.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:36, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Google-Übersetzung: Hi Christian , now I 'm confused , I have specially selected the option "Add a Variant Title", because the German version a variant of the English original is, how are you supposed German translations with new titles , including publishing , etc. enter ? On the subject of English language : If I had to write English, I would spend a lot of time thinking about anything readable produce . At the time I could usefully enter data. I fight already with the translation English -> German. Is there a German-language wiki with the same issue? If you do not mind , I write my comments further on German , otherwise it makes no sense to invest so much time without being productive.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7662 this] is a title with 11 variant titles, and about 70 publications (four examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42973 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?261037 here], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369377 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?473338 here]). A NOVEL is a title that exists only as (our/ISFDBs) concept, a publication in this case is a printing of a book; a book nowadays has an ISBN, a title can't have that, because it's a concept. We have different concepts/types of titles, for example NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, SHORTFICTION, ESSAY etc. I hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 21:02, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Ich verstehe die Problematik nicht. Das Buch "Die Prophezeiung der Steine" von Pamela Freeman, welches ich eingegeben habe, steht doch genau da, wo er sein sollte, als Variante vom Original "Blood Ties"! So ganz verstehe ich das System nicht, ehrlich gesagt. Die englischen Erklärungen helfen mir leider nicht weiter, Danke trotzdem. <br />
I do not understand the problem . The book "Die Prophezeiung der Steine" by Pamela Freeman , which I have entered, you can read it right where it should be, as a variant from the original " Blood Ties " ! So all I do not understand the system , to be honest . Unfortunately, the English explanations do not help me , Thanks anyway .[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Ich habe das Gefühl, dass die Daten nicht von mir stammen, sondern schon vorhanden waren. Ich habe sie aber vor meiner Eingabe über die Suchfunktion nicht gefunden oder falsch gesucht. Ich werde das noch untersuchen. In dem Zusammenhang sind natürlich meine Neu-Eingaben unnötig gewesen.<br />
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I have a feeling that the data do not come from me, but were already present. I have not found before my entry via the search function or wanted wrong. I'll investigate more . Of course, in the context of my New entries have been unnecessary. [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Ken Scholes ==<br />
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Hello, just in case, I've approved your "update" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?47571 this author] but it didn't change anything as you didn't modify any field in your submission. What were you trying to do? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:00, 7 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Hallo, I don't have changed anything, I don't know, what's happened [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:34, 9 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Perhaps an involuntary click or <enter>, no problem. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:24, 9 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::Suggestion : Such empty entries should be ignored by the system.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:30, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Canticle by Scholes ==<br />
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I rejected your submission to delete [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?485112 this record]. Why do you believe it should not be in the database? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I wanted delete only the Cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1047683 left Picture], because it is twice. It doesn't exist a reference to the associated ebook.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Your submission would have deleted the publication record for the ebook edition. If you wish to remove the cover image, choose the "Edit This Pub" function under the Editing Tools menu. Then remove the URL in the "Image URL" field. Before doing this you should do a primary verification of the record so that the moderator knows that you actually have a copy of this publication and can confirm that there is no cover art associated with it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding cover images to publications ==<br />
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First, an explanation: the publication by Freeman was added by me after I rejected your title varianting.<br />
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When you have uploaded an image for a publication, you need to edit that publication to enter the destination URL to the field 'Image URL' (you find this URL by clicking on the blue enhanced (clickable) field just below the uploaded image. Just try it! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:28, 17 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I hope, now its alright. How can I upload the Back-Side of the Cover without overwriting the existing front cover?[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:54, 18 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
:There is only one cover image per book. In cases of wrap-around art, users will typically scan it all (easier to do if it's a cover jacket) as in {{P|344712|this example}}. You can also scan both sides separately and then combine in an image editing program as in {{P|1998|this example}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:21, 18 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Der Tänzer der Schatten'' ==<br />
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As before with ''Sündenfall'' I had to repeat the first two items (correct standard ISFDB price in Euro, adding the basic information on edition and printing) for the publication, and the third one (dropping the german title series). <br />
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I'm not sure about the german synopsis. Usually, there's only the possibility to add english ones, but as this is only a variant german title, it may stay until another moderator decides to drop it (which may actually occur, so maybe it'd be better to start a discussion at the help desk, before submitting other non-english texts). <br />
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The german title still has to be varianted to the English original. Would you like to try?<br />
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Thanks for contributing! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:41, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but I had to reject your latest submission. It should be varianted to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1336615 original English title]. If you take a look at the URL bar or at the top right corner of this title, you'll find in both cases the title's number at ISFDB, 1336615. This is the number you should enter into the box 'Parent #' when varianting. Would you like to try it again? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:24, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I have clicked the wrong Button, now it must be OK.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:32, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Schattenklinge'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! Thanks for adding that item. It turned out that it was the first book for ISFDB by this author who we had overlooked so far. As there is an original title series, the german one had to be dropped. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 25 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Stonecreek, I know, that it exist an english title series, but I hope everytime that my title will be accept with the german title, another mod accept this way with independently german series! For a german user it is easier to find a german title, if it exist the german title series. I mean, something is missing. In my opinion, there is a need for action.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:47, 25 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
::As soon as there is an original title series, any variant title series will be deleted (overwritten). Only the variant titles of individual novels or other title types can have their individual languages.<br />
::Thanks for adding the further volumes in the title series. As they are American publications I had to replace the Euro price with the original US-$ list prices, which can be found at amazon.com. I also replaced the notes on sources with the standard, which is much more eye-friendly (and the sources wouldn't link to amazon, anyway). Thanks again for adding those! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:23, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Unfortunately, the ISFDB software prevents a variant title from having a different series than its parent title. If you give the German variant a different series name, the system will create a new series. But the moment you variant the German title to the English title, the series data in the German title record is overwritten with the data from the English title record. The German series will remain in the database, but will be titleless, waiting for someone (like me) to find it and delete it. If you strongly feel that the software should be changed to allow different series names for different languages, you should start a discussion on the [[ISFDB:Rules and standards discussions]] page. Keep in mind, that even though non-English publications are eligible for inclusion in the database, all other aspects of the database are required to be in English. <br />
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:::BTW, if another moderator accepted your submission that contained a German titled series, it was because he was unaware that it was to be varianted to an English title, or was aware that it wouldn't make a difference since it would be overwritten anyway. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:03, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Hello stonecreek,<br />
:::: Perhaps the link should refer to amazon.com.<br />
:::: How can I make the links eye-friendly, I don't can see any Difference of the spelling between original display and edited text (http://www.amazon.de/Mindbender-David-A-Wells/dp/1468102494/ref=tmm_pap_title_0), do you understand, what I mean?[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:38, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, as I see it there's no need to establish a special link as they are provided for publications with an ISBN on the left tool bar.<br />
:::::I rejected your change of price since the prices at amazon.com are not fixed, but vary over time. We record the list price that can usually be found there in the top right corner. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hello Christian, thanks for the tip, I've found the list price.<br />
::::::My remarks to the links have done himself, it was a communication error.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Die Elfen'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?498712 this publication]: A 2004 publication wouldn't have an ISBN-13. If your copy has a stated ISBN-13, it is probably a later printing. By "10th Edition" do you mean the 10th printing? If so, you should zero out the publication date to "0000" which will be displayed as "undated". Unless your copy actually has a stated publication date. You should also adjust the Note field to state which information comes from Deutsche Nationalbibliothek, if it doesn't come from the book itself.<br />
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I will create a record for the 2004 first printing giving data from the OCLC record. (I also had to add Sullivan as author in the title record, as only Hennen was credited. If you change the author credit of a publication record, you must also change the author credit of the title record to match it exactly.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:40, 25 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: In principle I use ever the ISBN-13, because every Book can assigned this one, although at the time of publication don't exist an ISBN-13. If that is not ISFDB conform I will take into account.<br />
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:"10th Edition" means in german "10. '''Auflage'''. This informationen I have assumed from the cover of the book. <br />
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:The note field have I corrected.[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:11, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::It is ISFDB policy to record the ISBN that's stated in the actual publication. If both are present, you should enter the ISBN-13. If none are present, the field should be blank, even if a later printing added an ISBN. Just because an ISBN-13 can be created from any ISBN-10 doesn't mean someone should arbitrarily give the ISBN-13 for books published before the ISBN-13 even existed. The software takes the data as entered, then displays the alternate ISBN in squared brackets, thus indicating which ISBN is stated and which one is derived. <br />
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::More to original question: Is your copy the 10th printing? (I'm not sure if the the English definition of "edition" is the same as the German one.) If so, it probably wasn't published in November 2004. That's the date of the first edition. What publication date, if any, is given in your copy? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I believe, this publication ist the '''First Edition 10th printing''', the year of printing is 2006. Original text is: "10. Auflage...Originalausgabe 11/2004...Copyright 2004 dieser Ausgabe by Wilhelm Heyne Verlag...Printed in Germany 2006". [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::The date of a publication record should be the printing date, not the date of the first edition. So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?498712 the record] for your copy should be dated 2006, with a Note that it is the 10th printing of the 2004 edition. This is standard ISFDB practice. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:35, 28 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I will modify this, thanks for your patience with a german newbee [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Series data in variant titles ==<br />
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You should remove the series data in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1850009 this record], and the link to a commercial website (Amazon). The webpage field in title records should be linked to webpages dedicated to the work, not a sales website. There are links to such sites on the publication record. Thanks. 19:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]<br />
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== ''Quest'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! I had to reject your submission to delete one publication of this title. First, it is etiquette to ask any active primary verifier(s) before changing any fields or for most if you add something new immediately after adding (for me, it's okay if you add some notes or correct the price without notifying me). In this case the verified publication was the fourth printing of that edition, the other one is not primary verified, but is intended for the first printing. (I had made the same mistake when I began). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Hello Christian, I remember, that I've corrected one evident typing error and delete one space. I am surprised and I don't know that we must ask for this minor edit the <br />
: primary verifier or do you mean another case? In Future I'll be more cautious.<br />
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:Quest: # 411539: I can see Notes: From the fourth printing...<br />
: # 411540: I can see Notes: 4. Auflage...<br />
: It seems the same data? The Year is 2005, the only difference of both publications is the Month of printing. But the same 4th printing and two different dates is imho implausible.<br />
: I believe, I must learn better english to understand your explanation.:-)<br />
: Also thanks for your patience with a german newbee. [[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:28, 30 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::As stated in the Welcome section above:<br />
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::''Please be careful in editing publications that have been [[Help:How to verify data|primary verified]] by other editors. See [[Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs]]. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See [[Help:How to verify data]] for detailed information.''<br />
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::Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:21, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: I quote:"If you are changing substantive data '''(not changing a blank to a non-blank field)''', it is usually a good idea to ask the verifier in advance."<br />
::: I've corrected one evident typing error and delete one space. These changes are not relevant, in this case is a note to the primary verifier in my opinion not useful, because we are wasting time and resources, in all another cases the rule should be respected. If my interpretation of your rule is wrong, please correct me. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:00, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, basically you're right. Correcting a typo in the Note field doesn't require PV notification. But if you're changing ''anything'' (typo or not) in any of the other fields, you should discuss it with the PV editor before doing it. Once you have taken the time and effort to create several hundred publication records and verify them, you may more fully appreciate the notification etiquette. You wouldn't want later editors to come along and change your records without the courtesy of informing you first. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Short summary: Correcting a typo in the note fields without notification is okay, in any other fields I must inform the verifier, also for example the changing of € 10 in €10 (cancel one space, how it is usual and rule) in the price field? I will do it gladly, but I can't understand the logic.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:49, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Notification of removing a space to conform to the ISFDB standard is not necessary. You're not really changing the data or even correcting a typo, you're conforming to standard. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:10, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: If I look at this discussion, I ask myself, why we discuss generally this? Everything was made almost right. Let us enter some data to the database, it seems to me more productive. Thanks for your information. I wish you a nice day.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Remark: If the discussion refers to my suggestion to delete the publication "Quest", then you're right. This point was not aware to me.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Series data in variant titles, again ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1851314 this record]: please do not add series data to records for titles which will be varianted to another title. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:19, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I'm also uncertain that the synopsis should be in German. Even though we allow non-English language publications into the database, I believe the records themselves must be in English. I'll ask for a clarification of this matter on the Community portal. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:25, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I've removed the synopsis based on a ruling made on the Community portal. Also, when using another source's synopsis, please provide the source as part of the synopsis. (In English, of course.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1851314 this record] I've added the original english series title "Strange Threads", where is the problem, is it a problem of the software?<br />
:: Now, I understand it so: A German translated publication should be added without series data, also without the original english series title?[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:51, 2 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::This has nothing to do with language. The series data of the parent record is automatically displayed in the series data of the variant record, regardless of the language. Adding series data to a new publication record whose title has yet to be varianted to its parent will cause an error until a subsequent submission that creates the variant. Once that submission has been accepted, it doesn't matter because the software discards any series data that was provided in the original submission. That means you're taking the time to add data that will never be used. So if you know that the title record of a new publication will eventually have to be varianted to another title record, don't bother adding series data to the original submission, regardless of the language. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:27, 3 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Das Wispern der Schatten'' ==<br />
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Thanks for adding this item! For the series title: you don't have to enter it, as it will be replaced as soon as the title is varianted (which I have already done here), and '1st' or 'First' is the correct English term. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:26, 2 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Ein dunkler Funke '' ==<br />
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You verified what looks like two identical records for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1853630 this title]. If that was in error, and the editions are identical, please delete one of them. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:23, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Indeed, it is the same, I've deleted one. I don't know, why it appeared twice, perhaps a wrong click?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Sarah Marie Keller ==<br />
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Do you know if she was born after October 1990? If not, her birth country should be entered as West Germany. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: I will ask her, but she don't want to say her birthday. BTW for me it was ever Germany and not west or east!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::But both parts were in fact two different legal entities, we do reflect the historical facts, whether they were to ones liking or not (so that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?120109 this author] was even born in Germany, somewhat ridiculously to our eyes). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:40, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: It seems historical correct, where he was born. The "DDR" has been recognized as a State not 100 percent from the "BRD". But I don't want to start a political diskussion.<br />
::: I note, that in ISFDB exist two german states for a while, it is ok.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::The ISFDB has nothing to do with the existence of two German states. We only record a person's birthplace as that at the time of their birth. It's not a political matter at all. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:37, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::: What I mean is, that in ISFDB it is a difference between East Germany and West Germany (in case of birth), without any political background, but for me in West and in East there had lived and now lives both german people, it is easier for me to say Germany than East Germany or West Germany, without political points.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:09, 9 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Translator ==<br />
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Hi. Just a small language hint for your submissions: the English word for "Übersetzer" is "translator", not "translater". Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 20:32, 16 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: "Translater" will also used, but rarely, I've corrected these submissions or have I forgotten something? If you find more wrong words, then tell me, please. I'm living in Germany and understand the English language only a little bit. I will make further mistakes. The Google-Translator ist not the best way to translate! Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:22, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: No problem, just try as good as you can, and mistakes can always be corrected :). By the way: another good source to look up a translation (not of a whole text, but of a word) is http://www.dict.cc. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 14:48, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Yes, I know this site, but the problem is less the single word but the complete sentences in context. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:18, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Die letzte Rune ==<br />
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Hello, I've regularized the publisher to Droemer Knaur for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?515740 this pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks, I've already seen, that Knaur don't exist in your database.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover image for ''Der Greif'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. Please use the 'Upload new cover scan' button when you want to add a cover image. This way the legal template is automatically added, which we need to avoid legal conflicts for violations of the copyright (I have done it for this book). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Christian, I've used the button "Upload new cover scan", I don't understand, what is wrong?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Well, since I didn't see your submission to add the cover image I am sorry that I can't tell you what went wrong. Anyway, I used your cover image to upload anew, so all seems okay now. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Hello Christian, I don't understand, what is happen, and that is not satisfying for me. The image must already be uploaded, because you have access to the picture! The next step is to edit the pub and there to enter the link to the picture in the field "Image URL", then click on the button "Submit Changed Data". Is this ok? When yes, than I don't know where it has damped.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::Ah, this is a 'special' feature: you should refresh your display, then you should be able to see it also (I still don't understand why this is needed in the case of cover images). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::: I don't understand anything, what is a "special feature", how, where, what? Please, explain it more accurately. I've uploaded more than one picture the same way, without problems, and now...?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::This 'special' feature is a problem that everyone eventually encounters, me too. But the picture is there with the publication, are you still not able to see it (and if so, have you refreshed your browser display)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::I have just found out that there already was another title entry for ''Der Greif'' without a cover image and you may have looked onto the corresponding publication. I have merged the two titles. Maybe that has been the cause of the problem. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::: I've nothing understand from the beginning of this discussion, but if now all is clear than everything is well. Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::::When you enter a new publication the entry for the title is automatically produced by the software. This has happened with ''Der Greif'' before your submission for the first publication from 1989, so that there also were two title entries. Now there's only [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1817068 one] which lists the two publications. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: Hello Christian, so it's correct, but I mean, that I've looked for an existing entry before I entered my submission, but couldn't find one, curiously. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:18, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Der Greif'' ==<br />
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In the light of the older publication the statement 'Version: 1st German edition' for your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516194 verified book] seems to be false. It may stem from amazon, which is not a reliable source for such statements: in short, they want to sell, not establish a reliable bibliography. Woukd you like to remove that statement? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Christian, the data are from the book I own, but on the page of copyright stated "'''Taschenbuch'''erstausgabe" or similar, I don't know exactly, cause I've only tomorrow access to the book. I will look and then remove or correct the note. The problem is that the book is a tp (trade paperback) and not a pb (paperback), but on copyright page is it a "1st German paperback edition". That does not fit together. I will report tomorrow.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Stated on copyright page: "Taschenbucherstausgabe 10/2000", I've corrected my note in "1st German paperback edition". Is this ok?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, but than you should change the binding to pb. It is confusing: An English paperback is called 'Taschenbuch' in German, and an English trade paperback is often called paperback in Germany. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:10, 22 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::: In ISFDB is a book with the width of 115 mm (exact: 114,3 mm = 4,5" * 2,54) a '''tp'''. I cannot change the rules.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:07, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Ovaron ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold for this title. Are you sure that "Die Cappins" is a publication series? IMHO it looks more like a "fiction" series (that is a series that is located at title level). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Hello, it seems not quite right. Perry Rhodan is a German SF series of magazines, at this time exist about 2800 titles (First print). The publisher decided to publish a hardcover version, one book of this version contains the text of 5 - 8 magazine titles. 3 - 13 books are a cycle. The title "Ovaron" is the 4th book of the 7th cycle called "Die Cappins" and is the 48th book of the main series "Perry Rhodan" look [http://www.perrypedia.proc.org/wiki/Silberb%C3%A4nde here]. I don't know where I should place the information about the cycle and cycle#.<br />
:Short: Main series "Perry Rhodan" #48 -> sub series "Die Cappins" 7th cycle #4-> title "Ovaron". Please give me a tipp, what to do, thanks. Perhaps I should use the field "Notes", but this is not perfect.<br />
:In ISFDB similar publications appear below Pub. Series: Perry Rhodan, Pub. Series#: 36 like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514697 here], but there is no information about the cycle.<br />
:There are two different versions, the Blue edition with 2D blue cover and the Silver edition with 3D silver cover with the same text.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
::I'm going to direct your questions [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Question_about_the_ordering_of_the_Perry_Rhodan_Universe here] and approve your submission with the adequate modifications. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've put the title series ''PR Zyklus 7: Die Cappins'' into the title's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1863867 data]. This series is a sub-series of ''Perry Rhodan''. I also changed the title's date to 1994-05-00 as it was published then the first time (according to perrypedia).<br />
:::Two questions remain: 1) As far as I know, this edition wasn't published by Pabel-Moewig, but seems to be a book club edition published by Bertelsmann. Is Pabel-Moewig really the stated publisher? 2) Horst Hoffmann is stated as the editor (and author of the connections between the novellas) at perrypedia. Isn't he mentioned anywhere in your book? Thanks for taking a second look, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:41, 8 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hello Christian, I believe it is my error. Stated on copyright page: Ungekürzte Buchgemeinschafts-Lizenzausgabe der Bertelsmann Club GmbH, Rheda-Wiedenbrück der Bertelsmann Medien (Schweiz) AG...<br />
::::Further at the bottom: Alle Rechte vorbehalten 1994 by Verlagsunion Erich Pabel-Arthur Moewig KG ...Redaktion: Horst Hoffmann. At last: Printed in Germany 1997--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::So, would you like to submit the changes for the publication? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:13, 10 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I will try it, but I must understand the structure of Pub. Series and general structure of ISFDB database, there are still deficits. Z. B. belongs a Pub. Series only to one publisher? It's my opinion that "Ovaron" belongs to the Pub. Series "Perry Rhodan" by Bertelsmann, is this correct or am I wrong? The Pub. Series # 48 belongs to the series "Perry Rhodan". The publication should appear [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1833 here]. I will enter my submission and then we will see...--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Horst Hoffmann is not an author of this publication, "editorial staff" is the correct designation--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 06:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yes, usually a pub. series belongs to one publisher. In this case the numbering of publications at some point differs, because Bertelsmann published the last half of the fourth cycle ('Die Blues'), which Pabel-Moewig didn't in the silver edition of 'Perry Rhodan'. For these reasons it would be better to rename the Bertelsmann series into something like 'Bertelsmann Perry Rhodan' or 'Perry Rhodan (Bertelsmann)'. Which seems better? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:11, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: My suggestion is to rename the existing series title Perry Rhodan (by Pabel-Moewig) in "Perry Rhodan Silver Edition" and Perry Rhodan (by Bertelsmann) in "Perry Rhodan Blue Edition". Btw I'm unhappy about the series name "PR Zyklus 7: Die Cappins". This series includes only the magazines of Perry Rhodan, at least must appear the series # 4, But this is a bit confusing. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:28, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::For title series we are a bit more free, but '''A Publication series is a group of publications marked out by the publisher in some way''' (from the help pages). As the only name used by the Publisher is 'Perry Rhodan', we somehow have to stick to that. An example for a difference between two pub. series named identical is ''Perry Rhodan Planetenromane'' published by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34608 Pabel-Moewig].<br />
:::::::For the reason of putting the books into the title series of cycles, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLochhas#Perry_Rhodan_fix-ups this idea behind it]. They really belong to the cycles as they tell the same story, only somewhat shorter. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:39, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Btw the pub. series by Bertelsmann also is called "Perry Rhodan". Why we cannot rename both series? If we must exact use the printed series title, consequently we cannot name the Bertelsmann series "Bertelsmann Perry Rhodan" or similar. Btw what means "fix-up"?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:09, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: We do need to establish a difference. Just consider we wouldn't add the publisher to all pub. series that are just called 'Fantasy' (or 'Science Fiction', 'Horror' etc.), and as the numeration differs between Pabel-Moewig and Bertelsmann, we would really get into a kind of chaos after #69 where the contents of the numbered novels begin to differ.<br />
:::::::::A fix-up novel is a novel that is usually put together from several shortfictions, most often by clipping some material and adding some more text that links the parts. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:38, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: It's clear, my suggestion is still "Perry Rhodan Blue Edition" for the Bertelsmann edition, is this all right?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:52, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but as I explained above this is not within the rules of ISFDB for publication series, since there's no indication that the publisher referred to the series in that way. We already have series like 'Goldmann Science Fiction' or 'Knaur Science Fiction' that are marked only 'Science Fiction' by the publisher, but would be all part of one publication series, if we would drop the publisher. So, we cling to a publication series as close as possible, but we still need to make a differnece. For that reason I'll reject your submission and ask one more time about a possible name. <br />
:It's a similar case for authors. Just search for Ian McDonald and you'll see that we also have to make some adjustments for authors with the same name. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:40, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
:: Then I suggest "Perry Rhodan (Bertelsmann)", look above.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:08, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::Fine, that would have also been my first choice. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:20, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::It was your suggestion.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 07:16, 18 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! It seems there are new developments. I have seen the corresponding book published by Pabel-Moewig in a secondhand book shop and there was no credit for Hoffmann and the other authors. Our standard is to put 'uncredited' in the author field and then variant to the actual author. (This was also the case in all other books I took a look into, also some published by Bertelsmann). So, if in your verified book there's also no credit, would it be okay if I take the necessary steps? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Christian, the infos about the different authors have I seen on perrypedia (please look to the notes). On page 7 and 8 Horst Hoffmann mentioned Ewers, Kneifel, Voltz and Darlton as author from the corresponding booklets. It's ok, if you must change this. Thanks. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:54, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Oh, yes, the introduction. What's its exact title (likely it's 'Vorwort' or 'Einführung')? And on which page does the novel begin, is it p. 9? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:34, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::And would you prefer a note on the credit for Ewers, Kneifel, Voltz and Darlton and let this credit stay with the book or shall it better be uncredited? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:36, 25 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::: Hello Christian, I don't exactly understand what you mean. I prefer an additional note e.g. "Authors stated on page #7, #8" on the "Title Record" (if it is possible) and on "Publication Record". More information later at home. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:19, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::I must change some data. It has to be called: In the "Vorwort": Authors stated on page #5, #6. Then follows on page #7 the "Zeittafel", then on page #9 "Prolog" and last on page #11 begins part one of the novel.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 20:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::The "Prolog" would be considered as part of the novel, so I have changed the book accordingly. Please take a look if all is now in order. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:17, 27 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::: I must sort my notes (following my own rules of notes), but now it's ok. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:16, 31 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Das blaue Portal ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but it seems to me that both publications [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1972797 here] are for the same book. What is your opinion? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Hello I don't know, what is happened, my last two submissions appeared twice, you are right, it is the same publication. I will delete one of it.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:08, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Printed in Germany 2006 for a May 2007 publication ==<br />
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Yes, it's possible: maybe the publisher waited for a special date of publication (or maybe it's just a misspelling for 2007). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:07, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
:OK.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Strasse der Plünderer ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submissions for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1996247 this title] but it seems to me that the result are two strictly similar publications. What are your thoughts on the matter? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, to me it looks like a doublette. Perhaps you submitted it twice by accident? <br />
:You should also consider two additional thoughts: 1) The translator may be added to the publication, but the credit even more belongs to the title. This is extremely helpful for cases where a translation is published again under a different title (see this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428 example]) or different translations are published under the same title, like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1511 here] for 'Unternehmen Schwerkraft'. 2) The publication(s) seem to belong to this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1489 pub. series]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::I don't know what happens, all my new submissions appear twice, e. g. look above.<br><br />
::The publication could belong to "Bastei Lübbe Fantasy", look to the publisher code 20614, I will correct it.<br><br />
::My opinion is, that the Translator belongs only to the publication, but I must think about it.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC).<br />
:::IIRC a recent ruling states that the translator must be given at title level (as said above it's in order to avoid merging two similarly titled translations by different translators). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Les/Lee Gibbons ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, can you confirm the name of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?236297 this artist], it's perhaps a typo for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25999 this one]. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:49, 12 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Hauck, in all Weltbild publications, which I bought recently the name is LES GIBBONS, e.g. in "Die Bücher der Wahrheiten" by Dawn Cook, "Der Orden der edlen Krieger" by William Nicholson and "Die Insel der Stürme" by Heide Solveig Göttner.The original text on copyright page is: "Einbandgestaltung: Nele Schütz Design, München unter Verwendung eines Motivs von Les Gibbons". But Weltbild published several false data, e. g. wrong original title on copyright page, perhaps it is really a typo, but not from me. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 19:29, 12 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for having a look, I'll let matters stay this way. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:12, 13 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the publication series & no. to ... ==<br />
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... [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521710 In fremderen Gezeiten]. Cheers, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:39, 2 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Christian, thanks, I hope, I will do it myself in future.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 3 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Der Feldzug'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. We alread have two publications of this novel that appear to be the same and I have yet a submission for a third on hold. Is there somethin I am missing? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:29, 21 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Hello Christian, I've suggest only '''one''' submission, no idea what is happened. You can delete the other two.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:42, 21 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Must be a browser problem.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:49, 22 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Double submission ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/myrecent.cgi?0+N here] appears my submission two times, I don't know, why? It's not the first time.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unter Dieben ==<br />
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Hello, I've put one of your submission on hold for this title as it seems to be a duplicate [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?595982 of the one that led to this pub]. I'm also surprised that you set the flags "Nongenre" and "graphic" to yes for a title that is perhaps a translation of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232929 this one]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:20, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Hauck, please look at the post above. I don't know why my submission appears two times, it is not my input. As well I don't have set these flags! You are right, it is the German translation from the title "Among Thieves". It seems to be a Browser problem (Firefox).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, I saw the previous threads. I've changed the flags (there seems to be a bug) and rejected your extra submission. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:59, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:10, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rune der Knechtschaft ==<br />
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I am trying to figure out if {{P|595851|Rune der Knechtschaft}} is just the first novel or the whole "Les trois lunes de Tanjor" series (collected in French in "Ayesha: La légende du peuple turquoise series". Can you check your book? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 20:06, 7 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Anniemod, stated on copyright page "Ayesha. La Légende du Peuple turquoise", copyright der Originalausgabe 2005. But it is the first part of the German series "Die Legende von Ayesha". Further parts are 2. "Pakt der Könige" and 3. "Volk der Verbannten". It is no omnibus like shown by isfdb?! It seems to belong to "Le peuple turquoise" part one of the original french series.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:45, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Don't you love vague translator notes? :) So the question now becomes if the German publisher split the whole thing into the same 3 parts as the original French edition (in which case your book is a translation of {{T|1982038|Le peuple turquoise}} or if they got creative and did a different split. If you think that it is exact match, I can variant the French and the German title (and then the German series will need to become a publication series). What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 17:23, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::New mod?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 20:20, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: Hm, what? [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 23:35, 9 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::: Are you a new isfdb moderator? I don't have seen you in the list.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:23, 10 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Nope. Just an editor trying to connect orphaned translations. :) [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 19:20, 10 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Die Gärten des Mondes ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but this makes now three similar titles: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2160001 the one just created] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20728 two there]. Can you have a look to see if there's not some merging to do? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
: Hello Hauck, I will take a look, but first I must read the rules...--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: Done--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::I've approved your submission, thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:42, 9 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?522503 Die Einhornpirsch] ==<br />
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I added the publication series (and no.) to this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:52, 23 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Der magische Dorn ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you verify which is the original title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?614837 Der magische Dorn]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Community Portal Edit ==<br />
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Hi, <br />
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It seems like your last edit in the Community portal was based on an older version of the page and it wiped out the conversations from the last few days. I've restored those and copied your comment back in the conversation where it belongs.<br />
[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:11, 22 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanvalet and Star Wars ==<br />
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I accepted all but one of your submissions to add Star Wars as the publication series to the Blanvalet publications. I realize other moderators had already accepted some of these, but I must ask if Star Wars is truly a Blanvalet series, and if those numbers are true series numbers. 36470 (for example), does not look like a series number (I doubt they have 36000 different Star Wars books), but rather a catalogue number. I am wondering if these are simply "Star Wars" universe titles (that, is a "Star Wars..." title series) and are not part of any Blanvalet publication series. I notice on the randomhouse.de site, Star Wars is presented with a trademark: "Star Wars&trade;", and I doubt Random House owns that trademark. My German is not good enough for me to understand everything on the website. Let me know what you think. I can also ask a German-speaking moderator for help.<br />
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For the submission that I have on hold, I realize including the "Star Wars" on this one is inconsistent with the way the others have been recorded, but you should notify the primary verifier of your proposed change and give him a chance to agree or disagree.<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:59, 23 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:I'd also say that 'Star Wars' is only the reference to the title series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:07, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:I'm in the process of removing this publication series. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:09, 25 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Hello MartyD, the changes have been undone by moderator, I agree to Christians opinion, there is no more reason to discuss, but the term "Star Wars" should be a part of the title or belongs to the notes as series title (or title series?). Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:58, 29 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:::My goal was to get you to notify the primary verifier. Your change to remove the "Star Wars:" from the title is ok, and it makes the title consistent with how the other titles in that series have been handled. I will approve your change, fix the related title, and notify Stoecker. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:20, 3 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: To notify Stoecker is no problem (but Stoecker don't answer, as far as I know), but I thought with introduce the new button "My Changed Primary Verifications" we don't need to notify? Furthermore when I take a look to my changed pubs I see many submitter, who not notify, too. Equal rights for all:-)? But I've no problem to do this in future.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:08, 4 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:::::You should check with the verifier before changing information that is already present, unless the verifier has talk page instructions telling you otherwise. In practice, minor, presentation-only changes, such as capitalization and punctuation, usually go without notice. In theory, you should also notify verifiers of additions you make, but more people let the "My Changed Primary Verifications" mechanism handle that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:10, 4 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::: It seems, we have a problem with the discipline of users submissions.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:15, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== CreateSpace ==<br />
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I may be telling you something you already know... but according to discussions [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#What_counts_as_a_publication_for_an_e-book.3F here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Defining_.22Publisher.22_in_a_self-publishing_world here], CreateSpace isn't a publisher, but rather a printing and production service (a subsidiary of Amazon, which is probably why they insist on naming it in the "publisher" space on their pages). So we don't list it as a publisher here. Therefore, I'm going to change all of your verified publications that list it -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?582823 Kristallgeboren] and maybe others I haven't found yet. Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:04, 23 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:As there was no positive answer on that item by Wolfram, and the outcome of the discussions was inconclusive, I have restored the publisher and removed the note on data sources (the amazon link seems to be to a slightly different edition). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:06, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Also, could you please take a look at the assigned copyright, Wolfram? As per today, at amazon the author's name is now Jutta Ahrens and the copyright is assigned for the year 2017 to her. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:22, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hello, I couldn't answer, because I don't get a message. As well I've a real life, too, I cannot always answer immediately. Thanks for your understanding.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:14, 24 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Hello Christian, © 2016 J. B. Eyries (asirdahan@icloud.com) stated on the copyright page, perhaps a pseudonym? The cover at Amazon ist another version of my book cover--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:23, 25 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Verlag: Independently published (but this is no publisher). Therefore is CreateSpace not correct, I don't have read the discussions about this theme, I will do it, if I have a lot of time, but not today.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:41, 25 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?625129 Conan] anthology ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. I'd think your latest addition (thanks for it!) should be regarded as pb (not as a tp). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:08, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Hello Christian, pb max. length x width = 184 x 114 mm. This publication is 180 x '''115''' mm -> tp.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:45, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::As most books published in this pub. series it still is regarded as paperback (Heyne speaks of 'Taschenbuch'). Our help page speaks of 11.5cm (= 115 mm). I'll try to work out the month of the first printing and change the publication. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:49, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::: Hello Christian, on the help page I can read "For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"" or have I misunderstood?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:08, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::Well, that means that this is the limit / border. As the book is smaller in height this fact means that it is to be regarded as a paperback. Aside from that, I think that European paperbacks may vary in definition. For example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34897 this publisher's] books have a quite higher height than other paperbacks. All the books published in the first decades of activity by ''Rowohlt Taschenbuch'' are referred to as pbs nevertheless, as history and the publisher's name do suggest (as are several others by more European / German publishers). <br />
::::I have changed the publication (this way it was also easier to change the dates of the original German appearances for the individual contents). Please do variant the items to their originals. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:00, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::: Hello Christian, and what is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?609898 this], pb, too? We must look at all Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy books, to verify wheather it is pb or tp. But my opinion is, if Height '''or''' width is larger than the limit, then it is tp. Can you tell me, where I can read your definition in the rules, perhaps we must modify the rules? Easier is to change the limit for pb to max. 111 mm (with tolerance max. 116 mm), that is the solution for the most borderline tps/pbs by Heyne. What do you mean with "...do variant the items to their originals"? By the way, 7.25" = 18.415 mm--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:14, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::The problem is that paperback has a slightly different meaning than ''Taschenbuch'' (= pocket book), the latter meaning that it has to fit into a pocket (of trousers or a shirt). Nevertheless it is the German equivalent of the English / American paperback.<br />
::::::Thanks for catching the Kress novel, it does seem to have been assigned a false binding (likely because that part was taken from amazon, which should always be the last possible source for data: the older the publication the more amazon is likely to fail on all or part of the data). <br />
::::::The items (like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2227371 this one]) still have to be varianted to their original titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:22, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Another thing: Is the art really by Bruck? It does seem to be identical to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7653 original artwork] by Frazetta. Is there any signing on the cover (as with the original piece)? Thanks for looking, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Hello Christian, I variant automatically after my last input (usually picture upload) and approving by moderator, you wrote '''items''' instead '''this item''', I was confused (blackout?), I've missunderstood it, because I've seen no context with our discussion about tp.<br />
:::::::pb or tp: I think a note about this is necessary in the rules. If it is enough to classify as pb, if one dimension is smaller than limit (and the other one larger...), it should be mentioned! Otherwise I'm not convinced that your opinion is right, but this is a matter of definition.<br />
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:::::::Stated on copyright page: "Umschlagbild: Herbert Bruck", there are no further information. You are right, both illustrations are similarly, but not identically. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:10, 13 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Well, all the things we wrote about have to do with the ''Conan'' anthology. I really meant items, as all the shortfictions of the anthology are not varianted to their original titles.<br />
:::::::: From time to time it happens that an artist copies the original art (as seems to have happened here). Maybe it would be better if you add a note to the publication? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:11, 13 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I didn't know, that I must variant all shortfictions, I will do it soon. A note above the "really" cover artist would be speculative, the only fact I know is stated on the copyright page, black on white. I have to think about it.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:25, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::I've rejected the joint credit to Bruck & Frazetta, let the speculations be speculations (your note is IMHO enough). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:40, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::The note is online. The first think is ever the better think.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:14, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Story lengths (Conan) ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, I've put your submission to change back (it's me that corrected them) the lengths of these texts [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2227369 Im Saal der Toten] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2227373 Die Stadt der Schädel]. Your submission would have the effect to have different lengths for the original text and for the translated one. To the best of my knowledge one of our presently unwritten rule is that the translation inherits its length from the parent, regardless of its "real" length (variations in length beetwen some languages being quite well known, a given text being for example significantly longer in german or french than in english, typically by 20%). There was some quite heated discussion on the subject due to the possible transition of books from the CHAPBOOK category to NOVEL when translated. As usual, it went nowhere and no clear decision was made except that the more vocal option was that (IIRC) novella-length texts that became novel-length in translation should still be treated as novellas. It may be interesting for you to bring the matter on the R&S page. Good luck. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:26, 18 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
: Hello Hauck, I did not know this unwritten rule, but my opinion and surely the opinion from the most database maker is that we only submit real, correct data. I'm wondering that here on the one hand we discuss every little thing on the other hand we manipulate data. Fact is, I can count e. g. 23 pages (Die Stadt der Schädel) then it is real a novelette and not a short story! All other interpretations have nothing to do with databases.<br />
: I probably don't start a new discussion, because my English is not so good, that I can represent my opinion reasonable. This is too tiring and time consuming.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:45, 19 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Well, I was also thinking along your lines (we're here to transcribe the strict reality) but alas it seems that it's not entirely our way of doing thing (a fact that I deplore). I've released your submission just in case another moderator has a more clear opinion on the subject. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:47, 19 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks, I ask myself, whether we need the distinction between short story, novelette and novella? Less is sometimes better than more.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:28, 20 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::It seems to me that our american users are quite fond of this separation, IMHO it's because of the main award's structure. Here (in France) we usually only distinguish between short fiction and novel.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:39, 20 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::: This is my opinion, too.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:26, 21 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Michael Whelau ==<br />
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Hi, I saw you are the verifier of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629241 Die Königin des Chaos], where Michael Whelau is given as cover artist. As it differs only in one position, could it be a typo for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1804 Michael Whelan]?--~~<br />
: My suspicion got confirmed at [http://www.chpr.at/buecher/m/moorcomb.htm Bibliographie deutschsprachiger Science Fiction-Stories und Bücher (3rd hit 'chaos' on that page)].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:11, 13 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Hello, at this time I'm on vacation, I will check, when I am back.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 14:17, 16 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
::"Michael Whelau" is stated on copyright page, but it seems to be a typo. I will accept your submission and make a note to this publication. Thanks for your hint.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:27, 18 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! There's another falsely credited cover art (for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629143 Der scharlachrote Prinz]). Thomas Schlück isn't an artist (maybe only early in his life he did some pencil drawings for fanzine--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:39, 16 September 2017 (EDT)s); he only has an agency for art & fiction. This art is also by Whelan. As there are some other issues with your latest additions for Bastei Lübbe Fantasy (thanks for them!), I'll correct & variant this to the original (you may want to add a note as for ''Die Königin des Chaos''). <br />
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You have added the ad pages at the end of the books to the page count, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages the help section] on that theme says otherwise. I'll correct this and change the format to pb for some publications erroneouslsy entered as tp. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:14, 14 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello Christian, Der scharlachrote Prinz: on the copyright page is stated "Titelillustration: Agentur Thomas Schlück", I don't can read another data. If the illustrator is really Michael Whelan please tell me your data source, then I can change my notes. <br />
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::For the data source see the cover title's parent.<br />
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:Die Königin des Chaos: the never ending story, it is no error, that I have entered the format as tp, in your Rules is stated: '''For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp".''' Note the logical connection with "or". This means that one value outside the border is sufficient to declare the book as tp. The width of this pub is indeed 1 mm wider (115 mm) than e. g. "Der scharlachrote Prinz". Although both books belong to the same pub. series, they have a different binding and that is fact. Any other statement is not conform.<br />
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::See earlier comments. Also, the publication series is a paperback series. The only trade paperback series from this publisher at that time (last century) was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?541 this].<br />
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:Additional pages: I've read the helping page several times, but this page is not very helpful, this confusion with numbered and unnumbered pages [] bracket or not is only confusing.<br />
:I've only seperated the story length from another additional pages, which don't belongs to the story (acknowledgement, publisher's list, preview, afterword, extract and so on). So I can see simply 123+[2] That means story=123 pages and any other pages=2 pages. It is my opinion, that this schema is simple, but understandable. But sometimes I've the feeling, that simplifications are not desirable. Perhaps the rules must be revised (recently I've read a discussion with this theme, but there was no result).<br />
::I think the rules are quite clear to not include ad pages at the end of a book. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 15 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
:In the end my motto is: enter data correctly, rather than bend data.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:41, 15 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::pb or tp: Sorry Christian, I can not tolerate false data to be published under my name. The rules are unambiguously: '''For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp".'''<br />
:::I will one more time correct your submission in my verified pubs, if this will not accept, it is the only way to delete all these false pubs, I think, this is my right. Too bad that your rules may not be applied correctly, this is my opinion. If there is another solution, please let me know. I would gladly continue to work here, but not necessarily under such conditions. I hope you understand.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:39, 16 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::Well, another solution would be to unverify the publications. But I'll try to change your mind about the matter.<br />
::::To leave a publication as tp invariably makes a statement of the publication series, i.e. all the other books of that format by a certain publisher in a time period. The best way would be to persuade the other verifiers of a publication series (like 'Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy') that these books are really trade paperbacks. <br />
::::To clarify the confusion, please also read the [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taschenbuch Wikipedia article] on 'Taschenbuch', then click on the left link bar of that essay on the English version and see to which article that leads to. Please note at its end the different characteristics of British and US paperbacks. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:48, 15 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::::Hallo Christian, ich versuche es mal in deutsch, ich habe das Gefühl, es versteht mich keiner. Ihr, die Macher dieser Seite, definiert pb und tp über die Maße Länge x Breite. Und ich kann mich nur wiederholen, in den Regeln steht folgender Originalsatz: For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp". Das bedeutet für mich übersetzt: Bücher welche eine Breite von 11,5 cm (eigentlich genauer 11,43 cm) aufweisen werden als tp bezeichnet. Das habe ich mir doch nicht ausgedacht. Wenn allerdings diese Regel nicht gelten sollte, müsste sie korrigiert oder entfernt werden!<br />
:::::Ich bitte doch darum, dass Du auf diesen Punkt in Deiner Antwort eingehst, es hilft nicht auf Links zu verweisen,in denen die Historie der Formate beschrieben wird, das hat doch mit Euren selbstdefinierten Regeln nichts zu tun. Fazit: Auch unter Ausschöpfung aller Toleranzen bleibt es dabei, ein Buch mit der Breite 11,5 cm ist ein tp.<br />
:::::Und hier die Google-Übersetzung: Hello Christian, I try it this time in German, I have the feeling, no one understands me. You, the creator of this page, define pb and tp over the dimensions length x width. And I can only repeat myself, in the rules is the following original sentence: For books as tall as 7.25 "(19 cm) or as wide / deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp". This means for me: books which have a width of 11.5 cm (actually more precisely 11.43 cm) are referred to as tp. I have not figured that out. However, if this rule does not apply, it should be corrected or removed!<br />
:::::I would ask you to point to this point in your reply, it does not help to refer to links, in which the history of the formats is described, but has nothing to do with your self-defined rules. Conclusion: Even with exhausting all tolerances, it remains a book with the width 11.5 cm is a tp.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:11, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::::::Yes, maybe the rules have to be corrected, they were established for the US market, where the boundaries are much more clearer. And the European (or German) 'pocket book' '''is''' the equivalent of the English paperback. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:52, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If I may chime in here: the rules have '''definitely''' to be corrected. If I remember correctly this topic has been brought up several times already and it seems to be a constant cause of data inconsistencies (some people stick to the size rules, others use some unwritten rules). [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_and_standards_discussions&oldid=493531#Publication_format_clarification.2C_please_--_moved_from_CP One year ago is has been discussed extensively], but the long discussion petered out without results. This problem should really be solved and settled for good and the results documented in the wiki because right now it's a frustrating situation which consumes time unnecessarily. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 05:51, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:I have made a proposal to change the rules, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Format_pb_vs._tp here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 17 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::On a related matter: I have removed the stated German series title from the noted for the Corum publications (''Bastei Fantasy'' #s 20001-20003 & 20005-20007, as they are nowhere stated on the pages containing editorial matter (covers, title & copyright pages); they only do appear as footnotes for the fictional intoductions (so, they could be made into a title series for these, if we would index them as entries on their own). While the novels are considered as fantasy, the notes are not. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:30, 9 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629143 Der scharlachrote Prinz] depth is wrong, maybe you mean thickness, if your notes in this form are ISFDB standard, then I really not belong to here.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:31, 17 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect price for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?614600 Das Komplott] ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram. The price in Euro is incorrect since there still was DM as valid currency in 2001 (Euros became the currency on 2002-01-01). Please do enter the correct price. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:25, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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I also corrected (and will do so in the future) some formats (tp --> pb) and notes to the correct English capitalization. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:39, 20 November 2017 (EST)<br />
:Hello Christian, the price is correct and is stated on the back cover, have a look.<br />
:The format of this publication is correct as pb (114 mm), other formats with 115 mm I will change occasionally to tp, as long as it is in the rules or has that changed in the meantime?<br />
:What do you mean with "...notes to the correct English capitalization"?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:44, 22 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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::Correct capitalization is the art of using the right BIG or small letters.<br />
::I changed the uncorrect / invalid Euro price to the correct / valid DM price as stated on the back of "Das Komplott". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:00, 22 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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:::Both prices appear on the back cover, why is one of them wrong?<br />
:::Now I see your corrections, but the capitalization is intentional like as with headlines. I hope you have seen that the capitalization is only until the colons! This is similar like the links on the left side e. g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?716 here] or is this wrong, too?. In headlines all first letters are uppercase with exceptions. I have my own style to present my notes that cannot be wrong. Please tolerate it and better fix format errors, these errors are more important like this formatting styles.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:43, 25 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hello, Wolfram! The Euro price was not valid upon publication, it became only valid in 2002. And the notes are no headlines, they are comments. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:35, 4 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::::: Hallo Christian, es geht nicht um die "notes", sondern um meine "Struktur" der notes und diese Struktur ist so aufgebaut, dass die Bezeichnungen vor dem Doppelpunkt als Überschriften zu sehen sind.<br />
:::::Sollte das in dieser Form nicht möglich sein, werde ich in Zukunft keine Eintragungen mehr vornehmen und mich vermutlich aus diesem WIKI verabschieden. Es ist ein Unding, dass in einer Datenbank strukturierte Formatierungen nicht toleriert werden, dafür aber Falscheingabe von Daten und nun die Übersetzung in Englisch: <br />
::::: Hello Christian, It's not about the "notes", but about my "structure" of the notes and this structure is structured so that the names before the colon are to be seen as headings.<br />
:::::Should that not be possible in this form, I will make in the future no more entries and probably say goodbye to this WIKI. It is unfortunate that structured formatting is not tolerated in a database, but incorrect input of data.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:38, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::::::Notes are per se not headlines, they are only notes. Headlines are for titles of title types. It's not okay that one editor decides otherwise than all the other editors. Regards, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:27, 8 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:::::::Links are no headlines, too, but the links [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?12044 here] on the left side are capitalized, e. g. "Help Navigating", "My Messages", "My Preferences" and so on , how can you explaine this?<br />
::::::: By the way, I wonder why suddenly my wanted capitalization was so meticulously criticized and corrected by you. I can gladly send you alternative links with real spelling errors, if you're bored. I have no interest in creating tediously structured, time-consuming notes that are then destroyed by you, I do not have that time! In any case, I have no great interest in continuing to work here. Merry Christmas.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 17:15, 26 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:::::::: Merry Christmas to you, too! I'd like to see you continue your work, but we do need some overall common standards. So, I didn't destroy any notes, I only adapted them to this standard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:27, 26 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Wolfram, I try to explain why the IFSDB uses what you call "headlines" (which are better called "labels"; in German "Beschriftung") in a capitalized form and why written text in notes shouldn't use it:<br />
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''Some'' (not all) design guides say that ''some'' labels (not all labels) which describe ''user interface elements'' (like links, tables, edit fields, buttons) should be capitalized. I don't know which design guide is or was the basis for the ISFDB web site, but an ''example'' for a capitalization guide (using slightly different rules than the ISFDB) is [https://code.vmware.com/web/standards/-/capitalization-of-ui-elements this one]. Other web sites use regular grammar instead, and no capitalization, for example see how [https://en.wikipedia.org Wikipedia] looks like.<br />
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So, why is something like '''Pub. Series''' capitalized if you view a publication like {{P|366508|this one}}? This maybe become clearer if you click the "edit" link in the publication record: the view turns into an edit form, where '''Pub. Series''' is the ''label'' for the edit field, it ''describes'' this user interface element.<br />
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''Notes'', however, contain free ''written text'' which uses regular grammar. So far I've not seen a design rule which recommends to use this kind of capitalization in notes.<br />
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Personally, I don't like this kind of capitalization in web sites very much and prefer regular grammar for the whole user interface the way Wikipedia uses it. But that's maybe because of my German point of view, which is already used to the (different) capitalization in German grammar.<br />
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Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 06:13, 27 December 2017 (EST)<br />
: Hallo Jens, ebenso gibt es keine Regel, die solch einen Stil mit Großschreibung explizit verbietet, oder? Vielleicht sollte man da etwas toleranter sein und sich den echten Fehlern zuwenden.<br />
: Ich habe bewusst diesen Stil gewählt, damit die notes nicht so unstrukturiert geschrieben werden, etliche Punkte (oder Labels, Überschriften), die ich aufführe, könnten auch genau so gut in die Eingabemaske übernommen werden, darüber gab es auch schon eine Diskussion. Leider scheint Ahasuerus damit ein Zeitproblem zu haben, es geht nicht voran. Das ist allerdings ein anderes Thema. Ich bin der Meinung, dass meine Art der notes-Darstellung nicht falsch ist, eher nicht gängig. Leider sitzen ja die Moderatoren am längeren Hebel, falls ich hier noch einmal Daten eingeben werde, wird das generell ohne notes geschehen. Das ist zwar schade, denn es fehlen dann doch einige interessante Daten, aber leider unvermeidlich. Wie ich schon angedeutet habe, ist es eher unwahrscheinlich, dass ich weiter hier tätig sein werde. Es gibt da noch einige Dinge, die mir nicht gefallen und die nicht geklärt werden können.<br />
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:Hello Jens, also there is no rule that prohibits such a style with capitalization explicitly, right? Maybe you should be a bit more tolerant and turn to the real mistakes.<br />
:I have deliberately chosen this style, so that the notes are not written so unstructured, a number of points (or labels, headings) that I perform, could also be just as well in the input mask, there was already a :discussion. Unfortunately, Ahasuerus seems to have a time problem with that, it is not progressing. That's another topic, though. I think my style of notes presentation is not wrong, not common. Unfortunately, the moderators sit on the longer lever, if I will enter here again data, this will generally be done without any notes. That's a pity, because it lacks some interesting data, but unfortunately inevitable. As I have already suggested, it is unlikely that I will continue to work here. There are some things that I do not like and that can not be clarified.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:14, 30 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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::Sorry, Wolfram, but there are the English rules of writing that explicitly outrule your idiosyncratic style of notes. There's not only your side, but also the side of other users: the average one would think that we, the editors of ISFDB, can't even write English in a correct way.<br />
::Also, you may enter data with less information, but we'd still need some sources in the notes. <br />
::Have a nice end of 2017, and I hope to see you around here in 2018. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:14, 31 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Change of a publication series ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! Due to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Die_letzte_Siedlerin this discussion] we (the German moderators) came up with the change for post mid-1990s publications of Bastei Lübbe. This will also affect some of your verified ones, so don't be surprised. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 4 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Die Gärten des Mondes, anew ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, just to be sure, do you really want to delete nearly of the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608229 this pub]? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:38, 18 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:It seems so, but I recommended to just withdraw his primary verification (see two items above). I'd think we do need some of the stated information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:42, 18 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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::I have rejected your submission. Instead, there was the need to correct the entry: you stated it as a first printing, but that was priced in DM, not in Euros. Yours turned out to be the second printing: you may want to state the right date of publication. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:02, 21 January 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Hello Hauck, there are a lot of wrong data, which I did not enter, I will delete the complete submission. Other corrections of my primary verifications will follow. Please don't change my notes or other data. Thank you and bye bye.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:35, 24 January 2018 (EST)<br />
::::No problem, I nearly never change the contents of the note field as I think that's the only place where contributors can put what they want in the form they want (except offensive things) even if I do not agree with them. I see that's you're leaving us, it's always a sad thing to loose such a meticulous contributor as you.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:07, 24 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::No, that he does not, he only deletes verified publicatons without telling the primary verifier. <br />
:::::I've rejected some of your submissions but have done the deletion afterwards for you. Some others I've put on hold: it really seems better to do a removal of your primary verifications, if you don't subscribe to the correct English text. I'll also do a primary verification for those volumes I have in my stack. As you do want to delete them anyway, it sure is okay if I change the notes according to our standards (please do a removal of the pv if it still does not fit your copy/copies - but you might want to add your different ones). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:14, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::I have corrected the entry for ''Der Herr der Dunkelheit'', so that it fits our standards. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 19 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::::::: I've only tried to delete my own submissions, but you change the notes of my verified pubs without my ok and these changes have nothing to do with standards. That is not tolerable for me. By the way, note the order, first came your changes and then my deletion attempt and not vice versa. I only responded to your curious changes! --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:13, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: My changes only deal with our standards. I think the problem is that you neiter studied completely the standards of our database nor what others entered, and you have some of our concepts not right (publication vs. copy). It ''is'' a long process to get things right, and it takes a lot of time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Further bad news ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! On trying to verify some of the data you entered I found that some of them are only copy-specific: these are the measured ones (Length x width x depth & weight). I did measure some of my verified copies, and there were slight differences (likely due to the process of production). As they are valid only for one specific copy and not for the publication as a whole, it really seems better to specify or delete this information. What do you think? <br />
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(We do use copies to verify publications, but we don't verify single copies). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 19 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I don't know how to take your reaction: but it surely seems best to delete this copy-individual statemnets? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:39, 20 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:: I don't understand what you mean?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:17, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Sorry to intrude, but parhaps should you switch to german to try to understand each other. These are the joys of our multinational project. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:26, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Willkür ==<br />
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Hi, you enter a submission stating: Da sowieso die Formatangaben willkürlich korrigiert werden, wähle ich "other". The three options are ’pb’ for paperback; ’tp’ for trade paperback (bigger than 18cm), and ’hc’ for hardcover. You may want to read the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub field-by-field help] in other to see that 'Willkürlicheit' is not the issue.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:02, 20 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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: He was probably referring to border cases where the sizes given in the rules for the pub format don't exactly match what we consider paperback ("Taschenbuch") and trade paperback in Germany. Alas, is not as simple as just "bigger than 18cm" and leads to some paperbacks ("Taschenbücher") being entered as "tp" whereas other editors use "pb". See [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Format_pb_vs._tp]] for the last discussion about it. I will forever cherish the day this time-consuming source of frustration will finally have been resolved. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 11:10, 21 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd prefer a drop-down box -with a clear choice as to what to enter in the format field- myself too.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:47, 22 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::: Your statement ''tp is bigger than 18 cm'' is wrong, the rule say exact: '''For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"''', there is no reason for discussion. By the way 18,415 cm = 7,25" and 11,43 = 4,5".--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:35, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Pub Delete(s) ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, I'm probably a bit dense, but why do you want to delete some publications? Do you mean that the books themselves don't exist? Is it just a question of formalism? Do you want to suppress from the db the data that you entered? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:03, 22 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:More and more I have the impression that you, Wolfram, participated here under false ideas of the purpose and the standards of ISFDB:<br />
: 1) You seem to take this as an extension of your privacy (or at least the publications / copies you verified). This is not the case: primary verified records are bound to be changed for some reasons: most notably the correction of typographical errors, the addition of notes, the correction of false data, and the addition of missing contents. Every editor has the right to submit such changes; the first two types will be approved of by moderators without further discussion in most cases, the latter two usually need to be discussed with the primary verifiers. Since you have multiple cases of the latter two I notified you that I'll make corrections regarding the third without a special notification for each case to save time. For the fourth kind I did some additions that you mistakenly only noted but did not enter as contents.<br />
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: 2) It is '''not''' okay to delete existing publications, so please stop trying to do so; you may delete your primary verification if you can't subscribe to the correct data.<br />
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: 3) It is also not okay to try to implement formats that are regarded by all (or the vast majority) of editors (and publishers and authors) as a different kind: it is not just me who regards the softbound pocket books as equivalents to the paperbacks; in fact, you will have difficulty in finding a second voice speaking for your position. <br />
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: So, it's up to you to decide if you still want to take part in our joint effort or not. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:49, 23 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::I concur with Christian, I suppose that you want to "retake back" data that you entered. Alas, this data is no more yours to dispose of, it's now the "property" of our shared project and you can't delete it because you entered part of it. Even if I may understand and share your feelings of exasperation about the db and its way of working (too much talkers and not a lot of doers) as I sometimes share them and have been tempted to walk away, deleting exact data is simply not correct. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:12, 23 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:::I've put a new batch on hold, on what grounds do you want to delete these publications? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:48, 2 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::Google Übersetzung:<br />
::::@Hauck, I would like to delete my data, because they have been changed in a form that neither my approval nor have been accepted by me.<br />
::::I think that is part of the intellectual property right. In any case, thank you for your support.<br />
::::@Christian, 1. It is true, I see my submissions as my intellectual property, which should not be distorted or changed contrary to my principles.<br />
::::2. See point 1.<br />
::::3. See ISFDB Rules.<br />
::::I will not make any further entries in the future, if necessary correct data. A pity, at first it looked quite good. But over time, it has turned out that my view of correct data and formatting does not agree with your view.<br />
::::It's just useless to support a database where wrong data is entered. I hope you can find many spelling mistakes, maybe with other users.<br />
::::Maybe there will be times when I will be active again, but that is unlikely.<br />
::::Despite everything, I wish you all a lot of fun and success in entering correct data.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:36, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry, but all the data really seems to be correct. I'm sorry if I should have introduced any new faults while correcting your mistakes. Please state where there is incorrect data or wrong notes. Thanks for your upcoming cooperation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:59, 8 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== "pb" vs. "tp" (again) ==<br />
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Hi Wolfram, it's been discussed several times already that the current definition for "pb" and "tp" in the help doesn't match exactly what we call "Taschenbuch" and "Paperpack" in German, and that a solution has to be put into the help. Please remember that sometimes the help simply is not up-to-date (or does not match a specific market yet, like the German one in this case) and that there's something called "current practice" or "best practice" (unwritten rules which are considered by moderators to be correct). As for "Taschenbuch" it's just common sense: in Germany a "Taschenbuch" with a width of 11.5 cm is ''not'' a trade paperback, no matter what the currently written rules say. Example: first there was a "tp" edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576255 Am Ende aller Zeiten] by Fischer Tor, and it was later re-issued by Fischer Tor [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?633155 as "Taschenbuch"]. According to the current help, both should be "tp" because of their size, but this would obviously be wrong because the second one ''is'' a "Taschenbuch". Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 06:36, 24 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Hello Jens, but a book with the width 115 mm isn't a pb, but anything other. If pb means in Germany "Taschenbuch", then all softcover books are pbs? It is difficult to work with data, if the rules are not valid. I think common sense has nothing to do with a database. It seems to be chaos. What is the exactly definition of "Taschenbuch" in German?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:33, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Good question. If every country (via the moderators that live there) is free to add its own idiosyncratic formats, this is the perfect way to have a maximum and splendid chaos. For those not used to moderate other people submissions, just be aware that this will be a nightmare to explain.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:52, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: We're in the process of finalizing new rules especially for German "Taschenbuch" and "Paperback" and it looks like the software will also get special entries to select from for the publication format. See [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Format_pb_vs._tp__-_interim_solution_for_German_publications]]. Hopefully we will have a documented definition for German formats as soon as all is finished. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 14:02, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::I rest my case, the multiplication of "national" formats is really not a good idea (for example, in France we've got the "semi-poche" format, should it be added?). It's complicated enough to make new contributors correctly use the three (just three!) main formats (pb, tp, hc) without adding a new layer of complexity. This choice of complexification over simplicity is alas quite typical of the R&S discussions, that usually are not very perceptive of the difficulties encountered in contributing to the db. This is not directed against you (as a new moderator) or against Christian (that has done his share) but usually the louder advocates of complexification are those that are not frequently on the front lines to explain their brillant rules to the newbies. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:26, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I see you point regarding complexity. Personally, I'd actually prefer to even get rid of the ''current'' complexity with "tp" and "pb" and merge them together to just "sc" (for "softcover"). Librarything does it this way. "hc or sc" - that'd be pretty easy to decide for a book. But since this is not going to happen I really like a solution to get rid of the recurring, time-consuming discussions about "pb or tp" for German softcovers, which only emerge because of rules not matching the German market. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:25, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::::Entirely OK with you for the "sc" idea. As this unlikely to happen, I'd just wish for a precise enough set of criteria that will put any book in '''one and only one''' of the existing three main categories (including our elusive german taschenbuch). Alas, this will never happen, there will be talk and talk and talk, no vote of the community, no decision and we'll be back to square one. You'll understand why I've decided, a few months ago, not to participate in R&S discussions. I feel (perhaps wrongly) that my ISFDB time is better used to help other contributors. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:41, 26 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::::: I completely agree with you Herve. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:05, 26 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Das ist doch relativ einfach: Wenn Regeln erstellt werden, die ein Format nach den Maßen definieren (Länge x Breite) und diese Regeln dann nicht befolgt werden dürfen, weil sie nicht passen, dann müssen diese Regeln geändert/ergänzt werden. Das ist Sache der Administratoren.<br />
::::::::Ich habe gerade gelesen, dass es da gute Ansätze gibt, bis dann irgendeiner wieder daherkommt und sagt, dass alles so bleiben soll wie bisher. Und wieder ist alles vorbei...<br />
::::::::Übrigens, zum Erstellen von Regeln braucht man einen gesunden Menschenverstand, aber nicht zum Befolgen der Regeln!<br />
::::::::Wenn jemand an meiner Meinung interessiert ist, dann bevorzuge ich die Unterteilung in Softcover und Hardcover, das wird ja wohl jeder begreifen. Die Maße, die meiner Meinung nach auch recht wichtig sind, können dann ja, wenn bekannt, in die Eingabemaske eingetragen werden.<br />
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::::::::Google Übersetzung:<br />
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::::::::This is relatively simple: If rules are created that define a format by measure (length x width) and then these rules can not be followed because they do not fit, then these rules must be amended / supplemented. That's the responsibility of the administrators.<br />
::::::::I have just read that there are good approaches, until then someone comes back and says that everything should remain as before. And again everything is over ...<br />
::::::::By the way, to create rules you need common sense, but not to follow the rules!<br />
::::::::If anyone is interested in my opinion, then I prefer the subdivision into softcover and hardcover, that will probably understand everyone. The dimensions, which in my opinion are also quite important, can then, if known, be entered in the input mask.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:42, 8 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: Once again: paperback (as standard for the USA) means here at ISFDB ''mass market paperback'' (that's why the term was changed), and that is exactly the idea for 'Taschenbuch', when Rowohlt, Heyne and others started their lines in the 1950s. The format rules were derived from the givings of the US market, but the formats do differ in other countries. The trade paperback isn't aimed at the mass market and has a somewhat different philosophy of publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:50, 8 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Dann wäre es konsequent alle länderspezifischen gängigen Formate in die Auswahlliste zu übernehmen, für GB: z. B. A Format, B Format, C Format.<br />
For USA: Mass Market Paperback, Trade Paperback, Hardcover. <br />
Germany: Taschenbuch, Broschur, Klappenbroschur, Hardcover (oder Gebundene Ausgabe) und so weiter.<br><br />
Google:<br />
Then it would be consistent to include all country-specific popular formats in the selection list, for GB: e. g. A Format, B Format, C Format.<br />
For USA: Mass Market Paperback, Trade Paperback, Hardcover.<br />
Germany: Taschenbuch, Broschur, Klappenbroschur, Hardcover (or Gebundene Ausgabe) and so on.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 07:27, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Um das Ganze übersichtlicher zu machen, könnte man zwei Dropdown-Listen erstellen. Liste 1 mit der Angabe des Herkunftslandes und Liste 2 mit den dazugehörigen länderspezifischen Formaten. [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropdown-Liste siehe Wikipedia]<br />
:Google: To make the whole thing clearer, you could create two dropdown lists. List 1 with the country of origin and List 2 with the corresponding country-specific formats--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 02:01, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: @Hauck, it should also be expected a newbee to make a choice of format from several possibilities.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:05, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hi, Wolfram! In a way, this would be the best thing, but according to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#The_paperback_formats_again this parallel discussion] there doesn't seem to be a majority in favour of this. To avoid two threads you may want to join in over there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:03, 10 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Notifications for verifiers and sources ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram, <br />
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Can you please notify the verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3804454 this change] and indicate (here, in this message) the source for this publisher change? I know that our Goldmann/Blanvalet records are a bit... mixed up but just randomly changing one book (a verified at that) does not make much sense without at least mentioning why. Do you have the book at hand and if so, what is in the book itself? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:49, 2 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, Annie recruited me to help with this while she's away. If you answer her questions, I can help figure out what to do with the information. Thanks, --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:09, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::How many times I must notify the verifier, two times or more?<br />
::Blanvalet is no pub. series, the publisher is Blanvalet, look at the front cover.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:06, 10 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::Sorry, I see you discussed this with the primary verifier last year. I think Annie did not see that. I will accept the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:23, 11 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: Annie ist a little bit hyperactiv, the permanent reminder of notifying is sometimes unnecessary, I think.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:12, 20 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The last post ==<br />
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Do not worry, the only reason why I am still sporadically active here is my promise to Kelly McCullough to publish his German translations of the series "Fallen Blade". After completion I will say goodbye. But that can take longer. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:33, 20 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Personally, I think that you should stay. Even if, as I said above, such a project can be exasperating with a bit too much talk (and too little action) and a certain tendency to avoid taking decisions and organising kangaroo courts for those who do and a general lack of support for those in the front lines (I just only hear a very loud silence when I read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/9/9f/Isfdb_3.JPG this] in spite of very nice speeches about respect and so on...). But such a project is, IMHO and AFAIC, SF-bibliographically-wise important enough to carry on regardless of such inconveniences. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:45, 20 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::That is the lowest level, what was the consequence?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:52, 6 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Schwarze Tränen'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! Welcome back, what did make you change your mind?<br />
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I just added notes to the Thomas Finn novel and changed the publisher (per DNB), as you seem to have missed out on this, and had just "Data from Deutsche Nationalbibliothek", which becomes meaningless upon verifying. Take a look and correct if the publisher is in fact stated otherwise, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:19, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I can reassure you, I'm not back. I've only change the pages, the other data doesn't interest me. If this is not right, delete my submission.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:49, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::For an inactive editor, you've become quite active again. ;-) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:25, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Only rest of work, active looks different.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:51, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Drohende Schatten ==<br />
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Hello, It seems that the German order of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?631 Wheel of time] series of Bechtermünz is different than in English. Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?612620 Drohende Schatten] pub is probably the translation of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1245 The Shadow Rising]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 04:45, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:I corrected various errors for this publication (especially the page count: if pages are numbered we don't use the [] for them, as communicated to you before, see also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages the help] on this). There also was content to be added, which you missed out on. Please try to maintain the standards that are common for ISFDB. In addition, as this is not the first edition, it would have been much better to add the first Heyne edition from 1993 before, or at least date the titles to their first appearance in that year: I have done that for you. (The original title seems to be right, according to the Heyne bibliography, though). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
::Google translator: Unfortunately, these changes of my notes are not consistent with my level of quality (wirres Durcheinander/confusion), which is one of the reasons for ending my productive activities, and unfortunately that is closely related to your person.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:09, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::The notes had to be changed due to various errors, mostly connected with the erroneous page count and the omitted contents. In this case you gave 489 as standard page count plus more than [20] unnumbered pages, which were in fact numbered as per your notes. So, the quality of your not-up-to-ISFDB-standard has been improved. Please do a thorough study of how we do enter page counts: if your standard for that and ours do not match, it is in fact the unfortunate task for us moderators to improve entries that don't fit with ISFDB, as different standards would in fact lead to chaos in our database. You should try to understand this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:25, 8 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::I don't mean the change of data, this may be correct, but you change my style, e. g. I wrote "Cover Design (Umschlaggestaltung): Adolf Bachmann, Reischach" you changed this in "The cover design ("Umschlaggestaltung") is credited to Adolf Bachmann, Reischach." This is a manipulation of my original text and a bad style, this is only one example, the most of my notes were changed in this format (from you), you change permanent my primary verified submissions without sense and reason, like you use it for your own submissions and this is one reason to end my activity. These changes I called bad level of quality.<br />
::::I could complain about that or about you, too, but it is better to finish here, as annoying oneself permanently and wasting time pointless, I feel with Hauck (partly Google translator).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:35, 12 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Template talk:TitleFields:Length ==<br />
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Please note that the Wiki page which you edited earlier today, [[Template talk:TitleFields:Length]], is a Help ''Talk'' page, i.e. a page where editors discuss what Help should say. Historical discussions posted there should not be altered by other editors after the fact. If you would like to suggest a change to Help, please post a separate proposal on the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:04, 18 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I don't want to start a discussion about logical errors, there is no doubt that e. g. one and one is two. Feel free to undone my changes. BTW I had started a discussion, but without answer/comments.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:45, 18 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Even if you think that an editor has made logical errors in a Wiki comment, please do not try to correct them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:04, 18 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry, I forgot that such decisions are not welcome. Another reason to end the active phase.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:00, 19 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::: If you believe that another editor's argument is flawed, please feel free to respond and explain the flaw. However, changing other editors' arguments on discussion pages is not allowed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:44, 19 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've understood. Moderators can change data and formulations without justification (look theme my "notes") a normal user is not allowed to do that. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:04, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: There is a difference between:<br />
::::::* moderators editing submitted data for clarity and readability, and<br />
::::::* changing the contents of other users' discussion posts<br />
:::::: The former is allowed and encouraged. The latter is not allowed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:22, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I have invested a lot of time to make my submissions clear, logical, informative, understandable and then they are changed to look like kindergarten, but there is no comment from you. I've tried to clear discrepances between pb/tp without result. No wonder, that I'm frustrated and want to give up to work here. The only help from you is the tip to start a new discussion. Thanks.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:04, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== This is the end... ==<br />
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I will no more act as active user, some times I will give a comment or correct wrong data, typos or other mistakes (perhaps fire? moderators). Unfortunately, it did not work out the way I had imagined, although I was thrilled at first, but my motivation dropped rapidly. Guilt is diverging opinions about true and false data and unjustified changed data from my submissions. Add to that the language barrier, because my english is very bad (most of the time I use the Google translator). The permanent discussion without results is another reason to stop working here and some other reasons, but I've no time to explain all this.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:38, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for your contributions and good luck. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:41, 20 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?510654 Der Pfad des schwarzen Lichts] ==<br />
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Sadly, again vital information (edition no., cover artist, map) was missing from this publication. I added those. Please think about adding the other content you mention and also to other publication you added. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:10, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
: This is my original text of notes:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>Other Price[s]: €18.50 (Austria)</li><br />
<li>Cover: <br />
<ul><br />
<li>with front and back flaps</li> <br />
<li>front partly coated high gloss</li><br />
</ul></li><br />
<li>Height x Width: 215 x 135 mm</li><br />
<li>Weight: 705 gram</li><br />
<li>Table of Content: on unnumbered page[s] #7 - #9</li><br />
<li>Additional Page[s]:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>1 unnumbered page[s] #569 with “picture”</li><br />
<li>4 unnumbered page[s] #570 - #573 with “map”</li><br />
<li>1 unnumbered page[s] #574 without content</li><br />
<li>1 unnumbered page[s] #575 with “note of thanks”</li><br />
</ul></li><br />
<li>Data Source: price[s] stated by “Deutsche Nationalbibliothek”</li><br />
</ul><br />
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:What is your reason to change these correct data?<br />
:I can see "map", but where you see the 1st edition and 1st printing, what's the meaning of "aparent"? <br />
:You are welcome to insert data but without changing my existing correct data. I feel that as impudence and it is not in the sense of the existing rules.<br />
:Nor is it in the spirit of a primary verifier to gather all the important information not found in the book. That would be secondary verification.<br />
:Maybe Ahasuerus should intervene here and speak a word of power!<br />
:Since I'm no longer actively involved, I only react to unjustified changes to my data.<br />
:Finally, I will delete the primary verification, since your changes do not match my level. Happy new year. (Google Übersetzer).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:52, 1 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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::A happy new year to you! The reason for changing the entry was the same as for previous ones, which have been communicated to you before quite often: you seem to be content with it and the data may be sufficient for your purposes, but it is insufficient for ISFDB and its users, as the record(s) miss out on listing all the contents, the editions & printings, and the correct pagination as well as the correct English spelling. For all of this reasons the entries and their accompanying notes have to be adapted to ISFBD standards, and since you have chosen to retreat from contributing (not to speak of correcting your verified publications), it is the moderators sorry task to care for the betterment. Please do consider to come back and help. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:03, 4 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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I have also corrected your insufficient entries for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516798 Das Königreich der Lüfte] and the follow-up [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516825 Das Königreich jenseits der Wellen].<br />
For the first you only entered the following (similar to the second volume)<br />
Other Price[s]: €10.30 (Austria)<br />
Publisher Code: 53376<br />
Translator: Kirsten Borchardt<br />
Cover: front partly coated high-gloss<br />
Height x Width: 186 x 118 mm<br />
Weight: 633 gram<br />
Last Unnumbered Page of Text: #781 contains the rest of the novel<br />
Additional Page[s]: 1 unnumbered page with "acknowledgement"<br />
As it's plain to see you missed out on the edition & the printing rank; you also had entered a wrong page count of 781 & the erroneous format of tp. If there are more of those insufficient entries please do correct them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:31, 5 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Wenn ich keine Daten eingetragen habe, dann gibt es auch keine Daten im Buch (kann natürlich sein, dass ich das übersehen habe, kann ich momentan nicht überprüfen), übrigens, Daten mit "apparent" entsprechen nicht unbedingt meinem Qualitätsniveau (mit einer unglücklichen Ausnahme)...<br />
:Bleibt immer noch die Frage, mit welchem Recht Du meine Notizen veränderst? Und damit meine ich nicht die Eintragung von Daten, sondern das Verändern meines Schreibstils. Wo steht geschrieben, dass Deine Art zu schreiben richtiger ist als meine? Bitte zeig mir die entsprechende Hilfeseite.<br />
:Warum ist z. B. "Cover: front partly coated high-gloss" falsch, was ist an "The front cover is partly coated with high-gloss." (Deine Variante) richtiger? Warum darfst Du [ ] benutzen, ich nicht? "#", ":" sind anscheinend auch nicht erlaubt und so weiter...<br />
:Bleibt nur noch der Kindergartenstil.<br />
:Alle meine Eintragungen werden von Dir in dieser Form verfälscht. Das kann ich nicht tolerieren, denn schließlich verändere ich ja auch nicht grund- und sinnlos Deine Notizen nach meinem Geschmack!<br />
:Da ich aber keine Zeit habe, Deine Korrekturen wieder rückgängig zu machen, werde ich nur den PV löschen und hoffe, Ihr werdet glücklich mit meinen Daten.<br />
:Ich würde gerne weiter mitarbeiten, aber Dein Verhalten und auch das des Administrators Ahasuerus verhindern das. Warum sollte ich Zeit für die Eingabe von Daten verschwenden, wenn die Daten doch wieder gelöscht, geändert, verfälscht werden? Was soll man mit einem Administrator anfangen, der nur diskutiert und keine Entscheidungen treffen will oder kann?<br />
:Pech für Euch, Ihr verliert einen engagierten Mitarbeiter.<br />
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:Google Übersetzung:<br />
:If I did not enter any data, then there is no data in the book (of course I can not see that, I can not check right now), by the way, data with "apparent" does not necessarily match my quality level (with one unfortunate exception ) ...<br />
:The question still remains, with which right you change my notes? And I do not mean the entry of data, but the changing of my writing style. Where is it written that your way of writing is more correct than mine? Please show me the corresponding help page.<br />
:Why is e. g. "Cover: front partly coated high-gloss" wrong, what's wrong with "The front cover is partly coated with high-gloss." (Your variant) more correct? Why are you allowed to use [], not me? "#", ":" are apparently not allowed and so on ...<br />
:Only the kindergarten style remains.<br />
:All my entries will be falsified by you in this form. I can not tolerate that, because after all I do not change your notes to my liking!<br />
:But since I have no time to undo your corrections, I will only delete the PV and hope you will be happy with my data.<br />
:I would like to continue to work, but your behavior and that of the administrator Ahasuerus prevent this. Why should I waste time on entering data when the data is deleted, changed, and falsified? What should you do with an administrator who only discusses and can not or will not make decisions?<br />
:Bad luck for you, you lose an involved employee.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:58, 7 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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::It's always sad to lose an editor. But to talk of being engaged is not true, for somebody who shows absolutely no engagement to correct the corrupted data & notes entered in the first place, after being told quite often what is correct and what the standards of ISFDB are. Getting loud only when somebody goes to apply the standards, but putting the sand in the head (or was it vice versa?) for the rest of the time, seems to be miles away from a constructive engagement. So, it was again left to us moderators to correct the erroneous page count and non-standard use of the English language for some of your verified books. I am sorry for that, but your politics of irresponsibility for ISFDB leaves not much choice. <br />
::If there are other publications with erroneous informtion PVed by you, you might still be able to become constructive. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 1 February 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Ich werde hier nur noch aktiv, wenn meine korrekt eingegebenen Daten verändert werden, wie Sie es wieder getan haben.<br />
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:::Meine Notizen sind in Aufzählungsform dargestellt, da kann man eigentlich keine Fehler bemängeln, tatsächlich gibt es auch keine. Warum Sie die Aufzählungstexte verändern ist mir schleierhaft. Eine Vermutung habe ich ja, das habe ich aber schon an anderer Stelle kundgetan.<br />
:::Wenn es Regeln für Notizen geben sollte, dann bitte ich um einen Link, der dahin führt... Ich bezweifle aber, dass es diese Seite gibt, verwechseln Sie vielleicht Ihre Regeln mit denen von ISFDB?<br />
:::Wie schon mehrmals bemerkt, falsche Daten ändern ist in Ordnung, fehlerfreie Texte ändern ist eine Unverschämtheit und hat mit Fehlerkorrektur nichts zu tun!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:10, 4 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::: As explained numerous times above: Faults in your verified publications include: erroneous formats & page counts (every time contrary to the help pages), mistaken use of English spelling, false print rank, missing contents, unsourced data (for edition, printing, cover & interior art), missing accounts of dimension statements. Since you only become active when those faults get corrected, but prefer to don't do anything about it the rest of the time, your complaints seem pretty much without any substance. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:38, 8 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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::::: Das ist ja merkwürdig. Alle angeblichen Fehler wurden nach meiner Eingabe von den Moderatoren geprüft und akzeptiert, auch meine Schreibweise, meine Listendarstellung und alle anderen Formatierungen.<br />
:::::Auf einmal ist das alles falsch? Das nenne ich unerklärlich (armselig). Ich warte immer noch auf eine Antwort auf meine Frage.<br />
:::::Und noch einmal der Hinweis, ich werde hier nicht mehr aktiv agieren. Fast 100 Eingaben und alles umsonst, reine Zeitverschwendung. Wenn denn Ihr Schreibstil die Regel/Standard sein soll, dann habe ich hier nichts verloren. Wenn weitere ungerechtfertigte Änderungen vorgenommen werden, distanziere ich mich von diesen Eingaben, mit diesem Kindergartengeschreibsel (anders kann ich das nicht ausdrücken) möchte ich nicht in Verbindung gebracht werden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:43, 28 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::::And again you did not correct the relevant data for ''Dämonentränen''<br />
:::::You stated<br />
:::::- 1 numbered page #381 with "preview"<br />
:::::- 4 numbered pages #382 - #385 with "afterword and note of thanks"<br />
:::::- 3 numbered pages #386 - #388 with "publisher's list"<br />
:::::but as usual with the data you supply that's not as per our definition of the page count. Please take a look at our rules. I'll correct the page count & the notes for you again (also as per ISFDB nomenclature and a correct use of the English language). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:20, 9 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::While at it I coorected the other novels by the same author accordingly. And let me add a personal note: if the correct use & understanding of the English language is not your highest capability, why don't you take on the help that has been offered to you? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:45, 9 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
::::::Es geht hier nicht um die englische Sprache sondern um das willkürliche Ändern von Formulierungen und Daten in den Notizen (ähnlich wie bei Rudam), alles Weitere wurde bereits mehrfach gesagt.<br />
::::::Die Definition der Seitenzahl ist so ziemlich das Schlimmste, was ich in den Regeln gefunden habe, so uneffizient und undurchschaubar, dass es weh tut. Allerdings lohnt es nicht darüber eine Diskussion zu beginnen, es wird sowieso kein Ergebnis geben (u. a. siehe Diskussion pb/tp). Übrigens, hinter meinen Angaben zur Seitenzahl steckt schon ein System. Finden Sie es heraus. Bitte achten Sie auf Ihre Rechtschreibung.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:24, 16 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Dunkle Schuld'' ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram, I have put your submission on hold as it tries to change the format to tp, whereas it seems to be a pb as recorded at DNB and amazon. Do you own any special, different edition? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:31, 19 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Erledigt. Die falsche Seitenzahl kann auch so stehenbleiben, passt schon zu ISFDB.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:19, 24 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Der Herr des Feuers'' ==<br />
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I enhanced the stub record for this publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:08, 9 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
:...und ich habe wie bereits angekündigt meinen primären Überprüfungsstatus geändert/storniert. Ich weiss auch nicht, warum ich mir dieses Theater immer wieder antue...--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:07, 9 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Anna Smith Spark ==<br />
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Can you please share the source for your update of the birthplace of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?252248 Anna Smith Spark] to London? I approved it by mistake but then pulled it out as I can find no reference to her being born there (all references are about her living there). Also can you also please use the proper format: "London, England, UK" and not "London/England/UK" when updating birthplaces. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:53, 24 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Quelle Geburtsort: "Das Reich der zerbrochenen Klingen" Seite 02. Das Format "London/England/UK" gefällt mir persönlich besser, Komma als Trennzeichen ist eher unglücklich.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:49, 25 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for citing the source, I will restore it and add the source in the notes. As for the format of the field - this is a community project and personal preferences in formatted fields are not in the spirit of it - every time you use /, you are requiring a moderator to update after you to fix the record so it is consistent with the other books. While the Notes field is free text, most of the other fields have their rules (most of them so they are parseable for Statistics and so on). So please consider actually using the correct format. Thanks in advance! Are you planning to add the German version of the book or do you want me to? <br />
:: PS: And please, use English :) Even if quite a lot of editors around here understand German. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:53, 25 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: Auf meiner Seite wird deutsch bevorzugt, ich empfehle den Google Übersetzer.<br />
::: Was die Notizen angeht, muss ich widersprechen, es gibt nach Aussagen des Nutzers Stonecreek Regeln, nämlich seine eigenen. Wo diese Regeln nachzulesen sind konnte (wollte) er allerdings nicht beantworten.<br />
::: Das ist auch der Grund, warum ich hier keine Daten mehr eingeben will (bis auf seltene Ausnahmen), da diese sowieso wieder geändert, manipuliert, gelöscht oder auch verfälscht werden. Fairerweise möchte ich hinzufügen, dass es bisher nur einen Moderator gibt, der das praktiziert.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:27, 30 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The official language of the DB is English so instead of sending me to Google translate, why don't you take your own advice and use it? I read German just fine but not everyone does. <br />
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:::: We are not discussing the Notes here, we are discussing a structured field (birth place) where you have a preferred format that is at odds with the expected one. So I will just ask you again to use the expected format in this field. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:26, 30 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::Es handelt sich um eine falsche Aussage bezüglich der Notizen, die ich kommentiert habe.<br />
:::::Das Thema "Geburtsort" ist abgeschlossen und muss nicht weiter diskutiert werden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 02:30, 6 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Hüter der Wolken ==<br />
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What is the size of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?743921 this one]? The rest of the series seem to be all pb so making sure we have the correct formats. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:47, 9 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: 186 x 125 mm, gemäß Regeldefinition von ISFDB ist das ein tp. Aber da gibt es ja verschiedene Diskussionen!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:09, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: As the answer is incomprehensible for non-English speakers, I'll correct the entry per ISFDB standard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Ich habe nichts anderes von Ihnen erwartet, aber gerade nicht englisch sprechende Nutzer können meinen Beitrag verstehen! Das Umschlagbild wird hoffentlich noch geändert oder ist das auch nicht regelkonform? Aber was rege ich mich auf, ich bin es ja gewohnt, dass Daten willkürlich geändert werden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:06, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::: Wolfram: As noted above (by AnnieMod): It is necessary to phrase your answers in English, because the majority of moderators, editors and users don't understand German. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::: Why “correct” it, a width/height/smaller dimmension of 125 mm makes that a tp indeed. I will reverse the change. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:39, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Since when does it do that? This are 12.5 cm ! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:46, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::: yes. 1 cm too wide to be pb. The cutoff is at 11 cm, with a grace size till 11.5. 12.5 is 1 cm too wide. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format the rules page]: "For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"." It is annoying that this makes almost all European books tp but until the wording is changed, 12.5 makes a book a tp. If you want to start a R&S discussion for changing that and adding an exception for European books to fit the 12.5s in, I will support it. But under the current rule, it is a tp. 13:52, 10 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Removing first printing ==<br />
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If [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4465970 this] gets approved, we will need to also set the date to 0000-00-00 (unless you have a source for the date in your book). Any source or should I make it 0000-00-00? And is there nothing in the book to show printing order? Usually for most publishers, that would mean first printing...[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:02, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: The first part (first edition) that you are trying to remove is visible on the back cover scan and I cannot imagine a better source than that. So why do you want to remove it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:04, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Alle Daten, die ich als "Primary verifier" eingebe stammen zwingend aus dem Buch anderenfalls wird eine Quelle angegeben, andere Nutzer, die das Buch nicht besitzen, sollten schon dazu schreiben woher die Daten stammen (auch wenn sie in diesem Fall auf dem Cover zu erkennen sein sollen), z. B. source: backcover.<br />
::"Originalausgabe" bedeutet nicht unbedingt "first edition" oder irre ich mich da?--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 05:42, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: From what I had seen in the German pubs, Originalausgabe (aka "original edition") means exactly what first edition means. We can change that to "Original/First edition" if you prefer. <br />
::: And removing the data when it is visible on the cover is not really a good idea. Add to it to mention the source of you must but flat removal is counterproductive. <br />
::: Back to that date: So can you please cite the source for the date? Is it on the copyright page? Somewhere else? Even as a PV, you should say where each piece of information is coming from - which part of the book. If the date is printed as is, then you are very likely to have a first printing. We can add a "non-stated" if you want to but unless you are claiming 2 printings in 1 month (source?) which are unrecognizable from each other, the date is enough to identify it as first printing. So you cannot have it both ways - either the date is correct and it is a first printing or it is not and we change to 0000-00-00 (and we create a separate record for the first edition) or you provide a source that says that there were two printings in that month and we mark this as unknown printing and add a new one for the first. So what is the date of that book? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:50, 11 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::: Siehe oben. Die Daten stammen alle aus dem Buch (Primary verifier) und benötigen keine Extra-Quelle. Ob die Daten auf Seite 10 oder sonst wo im Buch stehen ist völlig irrelevant. Ich kenne keinen Hinweis, dass das Buch die Erstausgabe und/oder 1. Auflage ist, an Vermutungen oder Hypothesen beteilige ich mich nicht. Das ist keine gesunde Grundlage für eine Datenbank. Da es aber anscheinend bei manchen Nutzern üblich ist, Daten zu "verbiegen", wundert mich gar nichts mehr.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:01, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::Das ist auch der Grund, warum ich hier kaum noch Daten eingebe.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 08:08, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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::::: Except when tries to figure out if they have the same book - when you do not enter where the data is, that is impossible. This is the whole point if the details we record - to find all the possible printings and editions. At this point we know that :<br />
:::::* There is a first printing with that date (which you claim is not your book)<br />
:::::* There s your book (which you refuse to add details about)<br />
::::: The date belongs to the first book for sure. If it belongs to yours as well, we need to know how it was determined so someone can match theirs to yours. Clicking a box that says "I have the book" does not mean "and I do not need to tell you anything about it". It means "I have and and I want to share all the information it contains". We have a rule for undated printings - they do not get a date from their first printings.<br />
::::: So please share where the date is printed exactly and I will be more than happy to accept the change, add this to your notes and create another unverified copy for a first printing (which must exist if there are later ones). If the data is there, it will take you a lot less time to just answer than it took you to argue that you have the right not to answer that questions. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:57, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::: Abgesehen davon, dass ich nur die Hälfte verstanden habe, auch der Google Übersetzer ist nicht sehr hilfreich:<br><br />
:::::: 1. Ich habe alle relevanten Daten aus meinem Buch eingetragen<br><br />
:::::: 2. Ein Klick auf den Button "I own this book" bedeutet nur, dass ich das Buch besitze und alle Daten daraus stammen<br><br />
:::::: 3. Die Notizen stammen nicht von mir<br><br />
:::::: 4. Notizen gebe ich generell keine mehr ein, da sie sowieso durch einen Moderator verfälscht werden (dazu gehören auch Änderungen des Schreibstils und der Formulierungen!)<br><br />
:::::: 5. Ich habe nichts abgestritten<br><br />
:::::: 6. Weitere Hilfe kann ich Ihnen nicht anbieten<br><br />
:::::: 7. Warum wurden meine Daten bezüglich der Autorin geändert? Ist es neuerdings üblich, Daten willkürlich zu löschen?<br />
:::::: 8. Gerne verschwende ich weiterhin meine Zeit, um diese Diskussion weiterzuführen--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 15:25, 13 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::: I had not changed any of your data here. I asked a single simple question - where is the date coming from. That's all. It would have taken a LOT less from your time to just answer my question so I can act accordingly. It is all about the consistency and accuracy of the data, right? So I am asking you for more details on a certain element of your data. If you have a problem with someone changing data, discuss it with them. As I said:<br />
:::::::* If this is not the first edition, I will add a new book for the first<br />
:::::::* We have a rule for undated printings.<br />
::::::: If you answer that the date is printed on the copyright page (or somewhere else), that would have finished that whole bilingual discussion, I would have approved your edit, added the note on where the date is noted and created another record for the first printing. Unfortunately you decided not to answer the question -- at which point leaving the record with the date and without the notes will end up with someone deciding it is a duplicate for the first printing and again reedit. <br />
::::::: If the date is NOT in your book, then we need to put the date as 0000-00-00. <br />
::::::: So - '''the question is still the same''': is the date printed in the book and where in the book? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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(unindent)One more note - if we have a record that says "first printing" and yours is not, then you should clone and create a separate record and verify that. I am not sure what the timeline of this one is (so if you created and someone added "First edition, first printing" that does not apply but just adding a note in general). If you try to use the date of the first printing, you will get the same question I am asking you here -- but other from that, you verify what you have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:58, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Wenden Sie sich bitte an den Nutzer, der die Notizen eingetragen hat, derjenige wird Ihnen seine Quellen mitteilen können!<br />
:Auf meiner Diskussionsseite wird bevorzugt deutsch geschrieben. Sollte das gegen irgendeine Regel verstoßen, teilen Sie es mir bitte mit.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:22, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: I updated the publication with the missing contents, the correct page count, and helpful notes, since the printing no. was clearly stated on the copyright page (as this publisher uses to state for all of its publications since the end of the 1980s).<br />
:: Wolfram, this site is about sharing bibliographic information, not about hiding it! If we know that you own a particular publication, this is not enough if you don't also supply the printing number if asked to (as we break down to that level). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:13, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Daten eingeben ist kein "muss" sondern ein "kann". Es liegt in meinem Ermessen, welche Daten ich verwende. Meine Eingaben sind beschränkt auf die Eingabefelder. Notizen schreibe ich nicht mehr, da sie sowieso von Ihnen verfälscht/umgeschrieben/umformuliert/gelöscht werden. Wie ich in den aktuellen Diskussionen [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Wrong_Title hier] sehe, ist das ja auch keine Ausnahme. Sie sollten Ihr Verhalten anderen Nutzern gegenüber einmal hinterfragen und die nötigen Konsequenzen ziehen. Ich bin ja nicht der einzige Nutzer, der hier vergrault wird. Übrigens, meine Seiteneingabe 715 ist das Ende der Novelle, nachfolgende unwichtige Daten habe ich ignoriert. Sie selber haben auch vergessen das Autorenportrait, die Karte und den Prolog zu erwähnen (this site is about sharing bibliographic information, not about hiding it!).--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:55, 23 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Please do not edit archived discussions ==<br />
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As you did [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive15&diff=prev&oldid=565329 here]. It is unlikely anyone will see your comments (I only saw them because I archived the comments back in 2018). You're welcome to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_and_standards_discussions&action=edit&section=new start a new discussion] if you think the topic still needs to be addressed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:28, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
: Darauf habe ich leider nicht geachtet.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:39, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::No problem. Please pay closer attention in the future. It's all good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:22, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::: Es wird keine Zukunft mehr geben.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:01, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Schwarze Saat and Schwarze Frucht ==<br />
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Hello! I hold the submissions of your two entries. You want to change the titles of this pubs. What is your actual source? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:18, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Both edits were rejected before. Trying again with another moderator? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:44, 14 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Auf dem Cover steht der Titel, wie von mir angegeben (allerdings ohne Doppelpunkt). Wo liegt das Problem?<br />
@ Willem: Trying again with <b>a</b> moderator!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 03:10, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::Hello Wolfram! You ask what is the problem: <br />
::::1. Per ISDB policy is the cover title irrelevant. The title on the title page is valid.<br />
::::2. The name of a series is never part of the title.<br />
::::3. You didn't inform the PV that you want to change the title.<br />
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:::::BTW: The general policy is to communicate in English and it's not kind and very impolite not to answer in English. For many non-English-speaking editors and moderators it is not always easy, but EVERYBODY except you respects it. It's puzzling that you don't want to follow, because you pose as an advocate of explicit rules and insist that they should be followed. Somewhat paradoxical. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 04:34, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
::::::I' ve just discovered that you answer in other threads on English. if you keep that up, that would be nice. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 04:44, 19 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::::::Auf meiner Diskussionsseite wird bevorzugt deutsch geschrieben, da das effizienter ist. Sollte das gegen irgendeine schriftliche Regel verstoßen, teilen Sie es mir bitte mit. Wer Interesse an meinen Beiträgen hat, kann den Google Übersetzer benutzen, handhabe ich ja genauso. Ich respektiere, dass auf anderen Seiten englisch geschrieben wird, dann sollte auch respektiert werden, dass hier deutsch erwünscht ist. Das ist eine Frage der Toleranz.<br />
:::::::zu 1. Den Titel auf der Titelseite kenne ich natürlich nicht, ich ging davon aus, dass beides der Gleiche ist.<br />
:::::::zu 2. Der Name der Serie lautet "Perry Rhodan universe" (warum universe und nicht Universum?). Bedeutet das, es darf kein Wort, welches in einem Serientitel verwendet wird, in einem Titel benutzt werden? Das wäre interessant.<br />
:::::::zu 3. Warum sollte ich einen PV, der ebenso meine PV-Daten, speziell Notizen, <b>ungefragt</b> manipuliert/löscht/umformuliert, benachrichtigen? Gleiches Recht für alle. Sie hatten doch auch zu diesem Thema Probleme mit einem wohlbekannten Moderator, wird das verdrängt? Übrigens, wozu ist der Button "My Changed Primary Verifications" vorhanden, der macht eigentlich Benachrichtigungen überflüssig?<br />
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:::::::Wichtiger als diese Diskussionen über Höflichkeit und Nettigkeit ist das korrigieren von falschen Regeln, z. B. Format pb/tp.<br />
:::::::Ihr Problem der verschiedenen Sprachen wird es in Zukunft auch nicht mehr geben, da ich sowieso nur noch sporadisch Daten eingeben/korrigieren und potenzielle Diskussionen darüber meiden werde.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 01:59, 20 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator notes ==<br />
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Please don't use the moderator note field to send rude messages, as you did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4523628 here]. We are all volunteers, and using the note to tell people off is not helpful. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:57, 26 December 2019 (EST)<br />
: Warum löschen Sie von mir eingegebene Daten und verfälschen diese? Das ist schon eine Frechheit, aber das scheint immer mehr zur Gewohnheit zu werden. Woher haben Sie diese Infos? Quellenangaben fehlen.<br />
: Das Moderatorennotizfeld dient dazu, Infos an die Moderatoren zu geben, das ist nicht unhöflich sondern leider notwendig.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 09:39, 27 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::I didn't delete anything you entered, and I didn't falsify anything. The only thing I did was approve your submission. What I'm talking about is this note: "Please do not ask senseless questions for further details or sources. All data are from the book (called PV)!" If someone has a question about what you entered, it's not a "senseless question". Please don't accuse people of falsifying information or deleting content when you have no proof of it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:34, 27 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Zum Zeitpunkt meiner Beschwerde gab es keine Hinweise auf andere beteiligte Personen, jedenfalls habe ich keine gesehen.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:48, 29 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Book title ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram ! <br />
I hold your submission, because you want to change the title of the book with the explanation that ''Der Totengräbersohn'' is the title series and ''Buch 1'' the book title. I don't own the book, but you can have a look into the book at Amazon and on the title page it is written ''Der Totengräbersohn'' and additionally ''Buch 1''. According to the ISFDB guidelines we use as the title of a book and a possible subtitle what is displayed on the title page. Therefore it should actually be called ''Der Totengräbersohn: Buch 1''. The Deutsche Nationalbibliothek also titles the book in the same way. Is there anything to be said against following these rules? This does not contradict the fact that ''Der Totengräbersohn'' can be both the title and, as you suggest, the series title. Regards Rudolf! [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 16:45, 1 January 2020 (EST)<br />
: Hallo Rudolf, leider ist auf der Homepage von S. Feuerbach auch keine eindeutige Titelgebung vorhanden, dort nennt er seine Bücher Totengräbersohn 1, Totengräber 2 usw.<br />
: Serientitel und Titel dürfen nicht ganz oder teilweise gleich sein, ich verweise auf ein Zitat von Dir: "The name of a series is never part of the title", siehe weiter oben.<br />
: Um regelkonform zu sein, habe ich meine Eingabe in dieser Form gemacht.<br />
: Den Serientitel "Totengräbersohn-Reihe" habe ich von Sams Homepage übernommen, den Titel von der Titelseite der Bücher, wobei ich den Titel "Buch 1" nicht als Untertitel sondern als Haupttitel ansehe. Bestätigt wird das im Blick ins Buch von Buch 4, dort steht eine Übersicht der Serie mit dem Serientitel: "Die Totengräbersohn-Saga" und die Titel "Buch 1", "Buch 2", "Buch 3" und "Buch 4". Und das ist wohl richtig so, bis auf kleine Unterschiede in der Schreibweise des Serientitels habe ich es auch so eingegeben.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:26, 3 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Hello Wofram! You're right about the series title, I didn't explain it properly and expressed myself ambiguously. As there is no specific series title, you can choose any title you wish, like "Totengräbersohn-Reihe".<br />
::You justify your choice of the book title with the fact that it is listed in an index in volume 4. But as I said, we only use the title that is printed on the title page. Therefore the title of the book can only be as I have recommended.<br />
::Your stubbornness not to follow the agreed language of our community is remarkable and disrespectful! I'm not good in English either, but I respect the agreement! Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 03:25, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Also stimmt Deine Aussage: "The name of a series is never part of the title" nicht? Über Respekt brauchen wir nicht zu diskutieren, fangt erst einmal an, den Moderatoren Respekt vor fremden Daten beizubringen!--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 11:00, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: Of course my statement is still correct. I didn't question it. The words ''part of'' are missing in the sentence behind suggest ''This does not contradict the fact that ''Der Totengräbersohn'' can be both the title and, as you suggest, the series title''. My fault. I've approved your new series title. Would you please take position on the original issue.<br />
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::::Because I always need a lot of time to answer you in English, I expect that you will also answer in English in the future. If you do not agree with this, please contact other moderators. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 13:23, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::::: Auf meiner Diskussionsseite (Talk Page) wird bevorzugt deutsch geschrieben, aber englisch wird von mir toleriert und ich suche auch keinesfalls Kontakt zu Moderatoren, eher umgekehrt. Wir sollten uns doch sachlich mit der Problematik der Titelgebung und der quellenlosen Notizen auseinandersetzen oder ist das hier nicht mehr möglich? Jedenfalls stimmen noch immer einige Daten nicht.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:04, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::: As this is firstly an English database (with the possibility of adding publications in other languages) and with English as common language between the volunteers from all over the world, I strongly encourage the use of English throughout the whole database, and that is including this talk page, and the naming of series, if you not offer transliterations of the series name, or mention a translation after a slash. If you do not agree, take it up with Ahasuerus and/or Anniemod.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 06:30, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::::Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?57581 link to the series in question]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:41, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) A few general observations:<br />
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* Titles. When possible, we use what is stated on the title page of the book to determine the book's title. (The reason I say "when possible" is that some publications, notably certain recent e-books, do not have a title page.) A book's author may use a different title on his or her Web page for any number of reasons. For example, he may be using the title of another edition, a "working" (i.e. pre-publication) title or any number of other scenarios. It shouldn't affect the way we record the book's title in the database.<br />
* Series names embedded in titles:<br />
** In the past, we allowed the use of series names and numbers in the title field. To use this book as an example, under the old rules it would have been OK to record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2667596 ''Der Totengräbersohn''] as "Der Totengräbersohn: Die Totengräbersohn-Saga Buch 1" or something similar. If I recall correctly, the reason was, at least in part, that our software didn't display series names and numbers on certain bibliographic pages. Once the software was updated to display the series information everywhere, we decided that series names should no longer be embedded in titles.<br />
** Having said that, there are books which do not have titles that are different from the name of the series that they belong to. For example, consider {{A|Eric Vall}}. With one exception, all of his books have titles like "Dragon Emperor 5", "Succubus Lord 12", "Without Law 7", etc. This is also how most Japanese young adult books (so called "light novels") are published. For example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?51952 ''Lazy Dungeon Master''] or {{A|Funa}}'s Summary page. When this happens, the series name necessarily becomes a part of the title and that's how we enter it in the database.<br />
* The use of English vs. other languages on Talk pages. The reason that we use English as the language of all Wiki pages, including Talk pages, is that we want all editors and moderators to be able to understand all Wiki-based discussions. Using other languages would make it difficult or impossible for others to contribute to discussions. It would make it difficult for moderators who do not know the submitting editor's preferred language to work with his or her submissions because they would have no way to review previous discussions.<br />
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Hope this helps! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:32, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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(unindent)About the series names in other languages, we have a bit of a history there as well<br />
* We did not use to be able to add transliterations. As a result most of the non-English series had either a translation or a transliteration as part of its name - we literally had on other place to note these. We had been adding transliterations lately ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?257 see this report]) but we still have some weird cases<br />
* Now that we can transliterate cleanly, it comes down to practices<br />
** If the series is translated into English, having a format of "original series name / English series name" kinda makes sense. Then we add all other languages in the notes<br />
** If the series is never translated, it gets more complicated. If we make up a name, we run the risk of basically becoming inventors instead of bibliographers. Take for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?57609 this series]. It is in Bulgarian and chances are that it will never be translated - and if it does, it will probably have a name that is not the translation of the Bulgarian title. I can add the English name in there but... what if it is in a language noone here speaks or if another Bulgarian speaker disagrees. So I add the translation in the notes and leave it at that. <br />
We still insist the notes and summaries to be in English but titles and series names are a bit of a special case - they belong to the books so they have the language of the book.<br />
All things considered, I think that the format of the series names may be a good topic for a discussion over at R&S so we are all on the same page. If we decide to always have an English name embedded, I am fine with that but we need to be careful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:18, 5 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::@Ahasuerus, ich bevorzuge die deutsche Sprache, da ich mich da am besten ausdrücken kann und wenigstens die deutschen Moderatoren verstehen können, was ich ausdrücken möchte. Jede Übersetzung mit dem Google Übersetzer verfälscht und verstümmelt meine Aussagen!<br />
:::Daher verzichte ich auch auf die parallele Darstellung deutsch/englisch. Jeder, der Interesse hat, meine Kommentare zu lesen, kann den Google Übersetzer nutzen. Das ist besser, effizienter und speichersparender, als wenn ich generell eine Übersetzung anbieten würde.<br />
:::Ich wundere mich nur, dass einige user sich darüber aufregen, aber zu Sachthemen keine Antwort haben.<br />
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:::Zum Thema: Es wurden Eingaben von mir mit folgender Begründung zurückgewiesen, ich zitiere: "The name of a series is never part of the title" (Rudam). Um nicht in Konflikt damit zu kommen, schlug ich Folgendes vor: Serientitel "Der Totengräbersohn" und Titel: Buch 1, das wurde abgelehnt, obwohl es so in meinem Buch auf der Titelseite steht. Dann habe ich Rudams Vorschlag übernommen: Serientitel: "Der Totengräbersohn" und Titel: Der Totengräbersohn: Buch 1", das wurde ebenfalls abgelehnt (von Stonecreek). Aktuell lauten der Serientitel und der Titel: "Der Totengräbersohn", alle weiteren Bände Nr. 2, 3 und 4 lauten aber ebenfalls "Der Totengräbersohn" (Buch 2, Buch 3, Buch 4), was natürlich für Verwirrung sorgt. Dazu erscheinen noch Notizen mit Daten ohne Quellenangaben, die nicht von mir stammen (meine PV Daten wurden gelöscht!) und somit nicht PV sind. Alle Korrekturversuche scheitern an dem regelwidrigen Handeln von Stonecreek. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 04:26, 14 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hello, Wolfram! To give the title according 1) to your proposal, 2) to the ISFDB standard as proposed by Ahasuerus & 3) to the other titles in the series, it seems best to change the title to ''Der Totengräbersohn Buch 1'' (it would also be analogous to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507897 this example]). What do you think about it?<br />
:::: There's also the discrepancy that DNB states a page count of 399 (and buchhandel.de even one of 400) for this edition, and your verified pub. only has one of 397. Since 75-90 per cent of your verified publications have shown an erroneous indexing of the pages of the respective publication and DNB is not known for stating too high a page count, would you please take a look and state here what content is on the pages 397-400? Please remember to answer in English (so that other moderators will understand what's going on). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:08, 16 January 2020 (EST)<br />
::::With no reaction I submitted the proposed change, and also added some more information and a cautionary note on the pge count. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:50, 20 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Die Anzahl der Seiten der Novelle beträgt exakt 397, jede weitere Seite ist entweder leer oder enthält unwichtige Daten (Werbung, Vorschau, Dankeschön oder Ähnliches), so wird bei mir die Seitenzahl definiert. Daher kommt wohl auch die falsche Aussage von 90 % Fehlerquote, wobei bemerkt werden muss, dass Ihre Fehlerquote bei der Einstufung pb/tp ca. 100 % beträgt. Da das Nichtbefolgen von Regeln hier üblich ist, nehme ich mir auch die Freiheit heraus eine sinnvolle Definition der Seitenzahl zu benutzen. Diskussion darüber ist überflüssig, da sowieso kein Ergebnis erzielt wird. Im Gegensatz zu anderen Nutzern habe ich noch ein reales Leben und antworte daher nur sporadisch. Sie können gerne in englischer Sprache antworten.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 01:29, 22 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Bertelsmann book club publications ==<br />
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Hi! The handling of Bertelsmann book club publications is resp. was a muddle, the pubs were distributed over 3 publishers: Bertelsmann Lesering, Club Bertelsmann and RM Buch und Medien Vertrieb GmbH. After having a communication with [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Bertelsmann Stonecreek], now there are 2 Bertelsmann publishers: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?44058 Bertelsmann / Book Sales Clubs] for the club editions and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?29555 C. Bertelsmann] for the trade editions (also see publisher notes). You are the primary verifier of this affected book club publications: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?518319 Ovaron]. I am going to change the publisher to <i>Bertelsmann / Book Sales Clubs</i>. If you don't agree please let me know. [[User:Boskar|Boskar]] 10:05, 9 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Submissions deleting valuable information ==<br />
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Hello, Wolfram! The submissions referred to above that were put into the queue ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4739020 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4739020 here]) are not acceptable, as you've been made aware of before with other examples (that's why they were undone). Additional sourcing & other valuable information can be added by other editors (and is appreciated by the ISFDB community). If you wish to change this you are free to start a discussion, for example at the moderator's board. And the question of Bastei Lübbe's publication series was resolved in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar/Archive1#Als_es_noch_Menschen_gab this discussion] among the German moderators. Again, if you are not content with this, please contact us and start a new discussion. <br />
If you wish to do so, or are willing to answer, please use the English language, so that others can understand your argument: that is the language to use here. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:26, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi! I since it seems possible that you hadn't read the above when submitting [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4739933 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4739942 this]. The first one takes no account of the consensus regarding the Bastei Lübbe pub. series to insert referred to above, the sesond again tries to delete valuable information: there's no change of data (= information) by me, only additional information (and for that - quite lgically - text has to be added). I have put those two on hold and will wait for another day - that you may be able to answer - before bringing this onto the moderator's board. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:30, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Meister der Türme ==<br />
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Hello Wolfram. Unfortunately I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4740058 your submission] because your proposed edits do not add new information (except for publisher code, see below), would decrease the readability of the notes, and would effectively remove valid information. For example:<br />
*Part of the text that you want to change reads ''The final page of the novel (p. 541) is unnumbered; a note of thanks is printed on p. [542].'', which you want to change into ''Last unnumbered page of text: #541 contains the rest of the novel; Additional page[s]: 1 unnumbered page with "Note of thanks"''. Your proposed change is difficult to understand (it is not proper English), and does not clarify that the "Note of thanks" is on unnumbered p.[542]. Also, the use of #541 is not standard (many people will not immediately understand what # means)<br />
*The current notes specify ''The copyright for the cover art is assigned to Drechsler on the copyright page; the map is credited there to Weber.'', which you want to change into ''Maps: Markus Weber''. Here you propose to remove ''copyright for the cover art is assigned to Drechsler on the copyright page'', which is valid information thus should not be removed.<br />
*You also propose to remove '' "1. Auflage: Dezember 2014" is stated on the copyright page.'', which, again, is valid information and therefore should not be removed.<br />
There's basically only one piece of information that you should/could have added, namely '' 'Publisher code: 20777' '', because that is new data.<br />
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: Only that it's not a 'publisher code' (again that'd be difficult to understand), but it is the publisher's catalogue number, and is already reflected in the series number. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:06, 28 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Insisting that no-one is allowed to change your notes (as you state in your Note to moderators, I quote: '' '...it is not allowed to change any correct data from me! This is against all rules of this board and decency.' '') is bad form since you do '''not''' own the text written down in the notes (even if it's written by you). This therefore means that any other editor has the right to '''improve the data''', even if the record is primary verified (observing the etiquette to inform the primary verifiers of course, either on their talk page or through the Note to Moderators field).<br />
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To summarize: <br />
*I rejected your edit because you are proposing to remove valid information (and your notes are difficult to read)<br />
*You do '''not''' own the text in the notes field, so every other editor is allowed to '''improve''' upon existing data, whether it is verified or not<br />
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Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 18:04, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I'll try one more time to explain what was communicated with you some times before: the meaning of ISFDB is to share bibliographic information ''in a way that is understandable for the majority of users''; this also includes showing incongruencies and mistakes as stated by a given publisher (for example a statement for a first edition, when there is at least one simultaneous - possibly ebook - edition, or an erroneous credit for an artist). So, these informations are welcomed by us, and we are thankful to anybody supplying such things. If you don't see your goals reflected in helping us, and just want to catalogue your collection, that's fine, but additions by other hands will still be allowed in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:19, 28 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Mal auf die Schnelle, da ich keine Zeit vergeuden will auf solchen Unsinn näher einzugehen.<br />
::Punkt 1: Meine Texte in den Notizen sind also nicht verständlich? Das ist der Grund, warum ein Moderator (pardon, der Moderator) meine "eingegebenen" Daten manipulieren darf? Ihr beiden habt sicher eine Umfrage aller Mitglieder und Nutzer gestartet, die eure Aussagen bestätigen, oder?<br />
:::: A moderator did not manipulate your data. A moderator improved and completed your data. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Punkt 2: eigentlich nebensächlich, aber typisch für ISFDB: Das Zeichen # wird von vielen nicht verstanden? Warum wird es dann von euch selber benutzt (Pub Series #)? Typisch für ISFDB, die eigenen Regeln müssen nicht von Moderatoren eingehalten werden, nur von den Nutzern.<br />
:::: False argument. # = number, not page number. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Punkt 3: Wenn das Geschreibsel von Stonecreek Standard sein soll, dann habe ich hier wirklich nichts verloren und werde auch endgültig einen Schlussstrich ziehen. Das Niveau ist mir dann doch etwas zu niedrig.<br />
:::: This is a rude statement, on the border of insulting. Stonecreek's texts may not be perfect, but at least is accepted by all but one editors and moderators, and is of superior quality to many other submissions. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Ich lasse mich doch nicht von zwei kleinen Moderatoren verulken, dazu ist mir meine Zeit zu schade. Schade auch, dass die investierte Zeit um Daten einzugeben, sinnlos war, da permanent Daten verändert wurden (unter dem Vorwand der mangelnden Verständlichkeit meiner Eingaben). Aber dafür ist ja Stonecreek bekannt, er ändert ja auch ungefragt Daten seines Moderatorenkollegen und anderen Nutzern, stand schon kurz vor dem Rausschmiss, hat sich aber wieder demütig zu allen Regeln von ISFDB bekannt und durfte weitermachen, als wenn nie etwas geschehen wäre. Das nenne ich Gedächtnisverlust.<br />
:::: Why the insult? We are merely providing factual and well-meaning suggestions to improve data and try to let you understand how ISFDB works. As for Stonecreek, at least he did understand that he was not abiding by the (spirit of the) rules. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Punkt 4: Ich fand ISFDB immer informativ und umfangreich, leider haben hier aber Personen das Sagen von denen Abraham Lincoln sagte: „Willst du den Charakter eines Menschen erkennen, so gib ihm Macht.“ Wohl wahr! Ihr könnt euch beruhigt zurücklehnen, ihr habt es (wieder) geschafft, einen Nutzer zu verjagen. Glückwunsch.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 13:50, 29 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hi, Wolfram. I gather from your answer that you're not willing to discuss with others on the points that were decided by the majority (not just me). If you have difficulties with rules reached in a democratic way it is your choice not to make any attempt to change the consensus, but please don't blame your decision onto others. We are open to any discussion, but you will have to start one to change things. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:06, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::Ihr habt hier keine Demokratie, sondern Willkür einzelner Moderatoren, es gibt nichts mehr zu diskutieren, was nicht schon diskutiert wurde. Von meiner Seite her ist alles gesagt worden.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 12:08, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Please, go away and never come back. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:22, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, decisions & rules reached by voting on proposals do make up democratic decisions, don't they? What would make up a democratic process in your opinion? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:37, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Let me re-emphasize something that we discussed a few months ago. Using languages other than English on Talk pages makes it difficult for other editors and moderators to determine what's going on and possibly help. It's especially hard when tempers are running high. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:50, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: I think Wolfram never did (or wanted to) understand why ISFDB does exist and what its purpose is. This may have been caused by his limited understanding of English. I for one would not have taken over the task of translating to and from other languages, trying to translate the exact meaning as well. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:13, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Die graue Eminenz im Hintergrund, die immer am Thema vorbeiredet...<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Conversation continued from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Scifibones#Moderator_status Moderator status]<br />
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Greetings Wolfram, I apologize for the confusion regarding 'Die Schwerter von Zinjaban' author attribution. Christian Stonecreek was correct to reverse your edit. I should have put it on hold and asked you to seek agreement from Stoecker. In fact, I was writing a note asking him if he agreed that 'Catherine Crook de Camp' s/b credited as co-author when I received Christian's note. Do not be angry, let's move forward. Please write Stoecker detailing the changes you wish to make. I will monitor the conversation and approve whatever you two agree on. Thanks for your cooperation. John Scifibones 12:52, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Hello John, I wonder why stonecreek still has the right to edit entries, since he's probably no longer a moderator.<br />
:My new submission confirms that "Catherine Crook de Camp" is a co-author (stated on title page and on copyright page).<br />
:Some time ago I talked to stoecker, he confirmed to me that he no longer works at isfdb, so an inquiry would not result in anything, nor would it change the facts.<br />
:In fact, as a PV and owner of this title/publication, I only enter true data.<br />
:I'm not willing to start pointless requests that only waste time and don't produce any results. I hope you understand.<br />
:As long as stonecreek is allowed to do its mischief here, I won't make any further entries anyway.<br />
:Google translator.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:36, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Das Schiff ==<br />
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Just a quick reminder - when adding a translator to the title notes, you must use the Tr template. I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3110286 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:44, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Why? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 17:04, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Because the template was created to assist when and if we ever get the roles properly implemented. If you don’t use the template, you create more work for another editor because someone will need to fix the incorrect format on this title record - so it is appreciated if the editors actually use the format. Thanks. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:54, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Apart from the fact that I still don't understand what the template is for, what does mean e.g. "we ever get the roles properly implemented", why should we only use the template for the title notes and not for the publication notes? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 12:07, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::No answer? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 12:44, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: not everyone is here 24/7. You can use templates in both places if you prefer - we enforce it only in the titles but it is permitted elsewhere as well. The titles is where it is important - as we use a separate title for each translation, even if the language and title matches otherwise. One of the requested improvements for the site is to allow the crediting of the translators to be done in a more visible way (so translators have their own pages and authors who also translate have their translations listed on their pages). When that is added to the site, the usage of the template will allow for automatic and semi-automatic migration of the data. As the translator is tied to the title and not the publication, that’s where the template usage will become critical - the translators mentioned in the publication notes are useful when we untangle a combined collection that should not have been combined but we won’t use them to populate any data elements so they will remain just notes forever. As mentioned before, if you don’t use the template, someone will need to fix the title note later. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:45, 13 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Unblock ==<br />
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Can someone unblock this talk page? --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 12:24, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: You are posting so it is not blocked? What errors are you seeing? So you mean the warning at the top that you are inactive? If so - I can do that (or you can) - just edit the whole page and remove the <nowiki>{{Inactive user}}</nowiki> from the top. Let me know if you want me to do it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2002-12 ''Die 13 1/2 Leben des Käpt'n Blaubär'' ==<br />
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Hi. I have held [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5822287 this submission] for 2002-12 ''Die 13 1/2 Leben des Käpt'n Blaubär''. Two questions:<br />
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# What is the ISBN in the book? 13-digit ISBNs (9783442453818) were not assigned until 2007, so a 2002 book should not have an ISBN-13.<br />
# Are you sure 2002-12 is correct? We have that date for the first printing. A 14th printing on the same date is unlikely.<br />
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If the book does have 9783442453818 for the ISBN, then it was published in 2007 or later. If the only date in the book is 2002-12, then we should make the date for this 0000-00-00 ("unknown").<br />
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I will adjust your submission from what you tell me. You do not need to change it. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:33, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: ISBN: 978-3-442-45381-8 stated on the back cover and on the copyright page.<br />
: 14. Auflage Taschenbuchausgabe Dezember 2002 stated on the copyright page.<br />
: Perhaps the data of the first edition are incorrect? But because of the ISBN-13, this is unlikely. --[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you. I will add those two statements to the notes. Since the ISBN-13 tells us this edition cannot be from 2002, I think we should read '''14. Auflage Taschenbuchausgabe Dezember 2002''' as '''''14. Auflage der Taschenbuchausgabe vom Dezember 2002''''' and not as '''''14. Auflage Dezember 2002 der Taschenbuchausgabe'''''. In other words, it is saying the paperback edition was first published in 2002 and does not tell us when this 14th edition was published. Is that ok? If you agree, I will change the date to 0000-00-00 and also add a note that the ISBN-13 and 2002 date do not agree. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:24, 23 February 2024 (EST)</div>
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== SV removal ==<br />
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In the USD edition of {{P|290822|Dilvish, the Damned}} Reginald3 is correctly SV'd and numbered. In the {{P|10142|Canadian printing}} it has also been SV'd - wrongly. Could someone remove that and mark it N/A. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:42, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== adding a publication ==<br />
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Can a publication listing be added before the item is offered for sale? (i.e., I have obtained an ARC with all relevant info, but the book is not scheduled for publication for a couple more weeks) {{unsigned|Fabius}}<br />
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: The short answer is "yes". To quote [[Help:Screen:NewPub]]:<br />
:* '''Future Publication Dates''' - ISFDB captures records for some publications that have been announced for release in the future.<br />
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: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: One small note to add - if you are working from an ARC, mention it in the notes (when we work from pre-release records, we note the date for example making it obvious that we are adding pre-publication). Things change between ARCs and the actual book occasionally so that will minimize the risk of us ending with two separate records downstream. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Second set of eyes please. ==<br />
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I've submitted a publication [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5709664 deletion]] that I'd rather not self-approve as it involves someone else's entry and PV. Thank you in advance. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:23, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: After reviewing the data I agree that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?483390 record 483390] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556122 record 556122] apparently describe the same pub. I see that one of them has been verified by you and the other one by [[User:Don Erikson]], who has been inactive for the last 3+ years.<br />
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: One way to handle this situation would be for you to delete "your" pub record, then to primary-verify Don's pub, thus keeping both primary verifications. Would that work for you? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:58, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: An obvious approach. I reloaded the cover image as well. Will deleting a publication automatically get rid of the associated image? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:46, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The only effect deleting the publication has on the wiki page is breaking the link back to the publication. I went ahead and deleted it, mod only function, since you reloaded the image and created a new wiki page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:23, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mouser Goes Below ==<br />
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Hello. After a long while, I have released this edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5374496] for other moderators to have a look. While Willem agrees it's a Novel rather than a Novella, I am not entirely comfortable with affecting the change. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Examining the text in my ebook collection, I see that the submitter is correct: it contains over 64.5K words. I would make it a NOVEL and leave a canned message on the primary verifiers' Talk pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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PS. Real-life hasn't been nice to me the last couple of months, hence my absence from the site. Not sure when/if I will be back... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry to hear about the real life issues! Hopefully things will improve sooner rather than later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I've approved the change to NOVEL and fixed all the translations to be NOVEL types as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:37, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hollowing ==<br />
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Hello Mods. I have a question regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289319 this] publication. I made a note that the book has an appendix, which is an in-universe folk tale of Ryhope Wood by Goerg Huxley - i.e. it's fictional. The tale has a title and a note before it making it appear as if it is an out of universe (i.e. a 'real world') tale. Should I add this as content ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 02:07, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think your treatment is fine, unless we discover the same story ended up published elsewhere. You might adjust the note to call out that it's a fictional appendix, and its credited author, "George Huxley" is an in-universe character. If you did want to make a content entry for it, I think you'd need to title it something like: "<whatever> by George Huxley" and make the author credit be Robert Holdstock. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'll leave it as is and amend the note per your suggestion. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:16, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who to credit ? ==<br />
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Hello Mods. The can of worms of cover design vs cover photo opens again with the two Gollancz editions of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102350 Trillion Year Spree]. I made a note for my trade paperback copy that it states "Jacket design by Don Macpherson (over) Jacket photograph by Peter Letts" on backcover. The hardback credits Macpherson wheres the trade paperback credits Letts. So which one of those two get's the cover art credit ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Macpherson does not get a credit under any circumstances - designers never do. If the hardback only credits "cover: Macpherson", then I'd been inclined to add a "Macpherson (in error)" credit and pseudonym to Letts thus allowing a variant cover and credits as per the books. As long as Letts photographs are on the cover and not the author photo of course. Alternatively, no credit for anyone and just notes (photographs are a bit of a gray area sometimes as Cover Artists but if you decide to credit -- it should be Letts). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:46, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks Annie. Maybe you could tell Makwood that as I tried to ask him what his hardback copy said (ghaving quoted him what mine said). See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Trillion_Year_Spree here] where he states "So, you're saying the jacket front is a photograph, and not a graphic design? Doesn't appear that way to me". Gonna change the credit. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:46, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brainchild ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5716829; I added 2 ID and a note about page count but it insists that I did something with the title which I didn't. Why is that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the raw database data, I see that the main ANTHOLOGY title has a page number, "|1", associated with it. It wasn't displayed when you edited the publication record because the "Page" field is grayed out and not editable for ANTHOLOGY (and other "container") titles. My first guess was that at one point this publication was a NOVEL or another non-container and the non-container title had "|1" assigned to it. Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?297598 Edit History], I see that this pub did have its title type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3992773 changed to ANTHOLOGY on 2018-10-14], which suggests that my guess was correct.<br />
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: Once your submission is approved, the "|1" page number will disappear. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:54, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change required for variant name: Ren Qing -> Channing Ren ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366142 任青] is listed on the Hugo finalist list with the western name "Ren Qing". When I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959764 the tp pub that has their story], I noted that various sources reported them as Channing Ren.<br />
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I've now bought [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960977 the ebook pub], and - Sod's Law - it turns out that Channing Ren is how they are listed in the actual antho, see [https://twitter.com/ErsatzCulture/status/1679946416830001154/photo/1 here].<br />
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Could someone update [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366143 the Ren Qing author record] accordingly please? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:37, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Also, as an FYI, changing the author name in the English Title record from "Ren Qing" to "Channing Ren" would have deleted the "Ren Qing" author record and created a new author record for "Channing Ren". The new author record would then need to be turned into an alternate name of "任青", but it could be done by a self-approver. Not a big deal, just something to keep in mind in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:31, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks; I did wonder if something like that was doable, but I thought better to just punt it here.<br />
:: There's another one coming down the line, which I've put off, because I spent a day trying to get my head round it, and trying to write it up to confirm (a) a consensus for that course of action, and (b) how exactly to tackle it, isn't something I'm relishing. I don't think many westerners have realized there are 2 different Hugo finalists called [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?344566 杨枫] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366182 杨枫(I)], and IMHO we probably have the disambiguations the wrong way round, as the former should probably be an alternate name for 天爵, who isn't in the database yet. Something to look forward too... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:32, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolfe - Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus - novel and novella dating ==<br />
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Whilst editing two of my own English language pubs of this title I noticed some dating which someone, hopefully, can clarify for me.<br />
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There are two novella titles by different translators {{T|1582693|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} and {{T|1699730|1982-05-00 by Eva Malsch}}.<br />
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The novel {{T|1347139|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} dating looks ok as does the Eva Malsch translation but I don't see a 1974-11-00 Yoma Cap novella publication - only the {{P|414367|1984-04-00}} one as the first instance.<br />
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The note in the {{T|1957|1972-04-00}} novel title page refers to the German translations but doesn't help me.<br />
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So, do we treat the novel and the novella as having the same first instance date? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sequence of events as I understand it is as follows:<br />
:* The novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41405 "The Fifth Head of Cerberus"] was published in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25103 ''Orbit 10''] on 1972-02-16.<br />
:* The novella version became Part 1 of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1957 novel version which used the same title], ''The Fifth Head of Cerberus'', and was first published on 1972-04-00.<br />
:* Both the novella version and the novel version were subsequently reprinted by various US/UK publishers.<br />
:* The second part of the novel version was later reprinted as a separate novelette [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''] in a 1994-07-00 anthology. We have it dated "1994-07-00".<br />
:* Yoma Cap's first German translation of the novel version was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347139 ''Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus''] in 1974-11-00.<br />
:* The first part of Yoma Cap's German translation (which corresponds to the novella version of "The Fifth Head of Cerberus") was [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 reprinted in 1984 and then again in 2002]. The title date of this title is currently set to "1974-11-00" and matches the date of the first publication of the German ''novel''.<br />
:* The third (and final) part of the ''English'' novel hasn't been reprinted as a separate novella. However, the third part of Yoma Cap's ''German'' translation was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T.", a separate novella] on 1983-04-00. The title date of this title is currently set to "1983-04-00".<br />
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: The problem then is that we have an inconsistency. The separate English appearance of the second part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''], is currently dated "1994-07-00" and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. Similarly, the separate German appearance of the third part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T."], is dated 1983-04-00 and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. However, the separate German appearance of the novella version (which is the same as the first part of the novel), is dated "1974-11-00", when the novel translation appeared, as opposed to "1984-04-00", which is when the separate German version appeared.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would suggest changing the title date of the novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 "Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus"] from 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:17, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for taking such a careful look at this and your elegant answer. It resolves my uncertainty about novella/novel treatment and confirms where I thought the problem lay - your 6th bullet point homes in on that. I've submitted the change 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00 as you've suggested :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The submission has been approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:44, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mod Bob ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Moderator-availability; Bob should be removed from the list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:58, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:04, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Spencer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131734; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elizabeth-Spencer/e/B01MFH59N3; Last 2 stories are by a young lady with the same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like Stonecreek has already changed their author from "Elizabeth Spencer" to "Elizabeth Spencer (I)". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, except he added her image to webpage field by mistake, so I've just moved it to the right field, pending approval. Also, the older Spencer has a photo under "Movies, TV and Bio" on Amazon but as usual with "S" URL photos like those ISFDB won't accept them with or without the trailing stuff before .jpg, giving an unsupported message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Your submission is approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:08, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete x2 ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the older images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGM2014.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGB2014.jpg here]. Uploaded by mistake. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted as requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:36, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1968198; I added link to Hodder and created a new record for Crowell, it's W. J. Dawson in both, author name neeeds changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawsey ? Hayes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001; I am not entering all of that info again just for a minor publisher name change so if someone knows how to preserve the one sentence in the publisher record then my edit can be un-rejected. Seems to me it would have made more sense to accept the edit and then cut-and-paste the sentence into the publisher record afterwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I first went to the publisher record and changed the name there. Then that portion of your submission effectively became a no-up (changing the existing name to the same thing, so no publisher deletion), so I was able to un-reject it and approve it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Johnsgard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5718012; I made another edit adding all info except name change, cover artists entered with alternate name for the man so after it's accepted that can be used as the parent, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Change made and submissions approved. Submit an edit to import the cover art credit into the tp and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SJS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=solomon+j&type=Name; 1 credit each for the last 2 guys, your decision which is parent and which is variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:23, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?360672 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:28, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Islands in the Sky cover art ==<br />
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Entry for cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?652621 this] publication shows two different images, although the spacestation is the same the approaching rocket has been replaced by a boy on the 1984 edition - both images are by Peter Andrew Jones. Should the later edition's image not be seperated out and varianted ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:40, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We variant for author, title, language and title type (artwork & serials only). We do not variant for a difference in the artwork. It's the same and we merge or it isn't. The same meaning "all or part of one appears in the other". [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:47, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Alrighty. I only queried since there is a substantial difference between the one signed 'PAJ 80 Solar Wind' and the one signed 'PAJ 81' --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If you think they are different enough, you can unmerge them and add notes on the reasons for it. I think they fall under our "is contained in" or "is part of" rule so they are ok as they are but the rules in that area can be interpreted differently. As John mentioned, they cannot be variants though so the choice is between what we have now and 2 separate unconnected entries. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. I made a note in regards to the difference on the publication, plus the difference is obvious when viewing the cover art entry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Matheson's Musings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Zapp#Musings; Do mods agree that it should be changed to an essay? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:26, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author name change needed ==<br />
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The spelling for author LJ Cohen is currently "L. J. Cohen" [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?203069 sic]. Would a moderator please change it to her preferred spelling of "LJ Cohen"? That is the spelling she uses on her [https://www.ljcohen.net/ website] and which appears on the titles currently recorded in ISFDB. I think the current spelling is a holdover from old spelling rules. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The rules are still valid especially because these are initials (so not really old spelling rules) - but they also allow for author's preference to take precedence. I've changed it and added a note on the page so someone does not "fix" it. As you are the only PV of any of her book I saw, consider this also a notification for the changed in your PVd book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:54, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== (Slightly) clashing pending edits for author Juleen Brantingham ==<br />
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I just submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5730414 5730414], but I get a yellow warning for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730402 5730402] which makes a similar change. My edit is a superset of the latter - adds a more details place of birth, obit link and expanded note - so could someone reject 5730402, or at least apply it before my edit 5730414 gets applied, so nothing gets lost? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Approved them in the correct sequence. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:17, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Horus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722514; Can someone change the publisher to Horus Publishing? After that's done will that lead to unrejecting my edit? Because I've done hundreds since then and it's kind of hard to remember what I did for a single edit days or weeks ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: All good now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:27, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Architecture of Desire ==<br />
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Entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518517 this] cover art has combined three entirely different pieces of art by Chris Brown. Note that [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0e/BKTG04149.jpg this] is not the same as [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/e5/BKTG04151.jpg this] - there are substanial diferences between the two pieces. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:53, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are definitely different. I've separated them into the three pieces. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:44, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:23, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Printing ==<br />
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http://www.cars101.com/firstid.html; I think this would be helpful; I have a pending edit adding a Random House book which starts with 2 in the number line but it's not a 2nd printing, that's how they started their lines for much of their history. Can this be added to Help or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reeves-Stevens - Phase II: The Lost Series ==<br />
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The coverart credit as it stands {{P|32543|here}} is wrong, can we have help from a moderator to sort it out? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:How is it wrong? Have you contacted [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] to see what it states on the copyright page? Is there separate art on the front and back covers? If it's a mashup up two pieces of art, each by one of the two credited artists, the listing is correct. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jem ==<br />
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There seems to be two entries for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117921 this] publication. The note for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322056 this] version also has a 1980 printing and a £1.50 price and points to (presumably) the true 1980 printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?JMRCPBTPGS1980 here]. Can't determine what the difference between the two entries could possibly be. Thoughts ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:36, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accidental cover upload ==<br />
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Hello Mods I inadvertantly uploaded the hardback cover art for a paperback edition (that'll teah me to look first). Title in question is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27997 Return to Eden]. If someone could revert it back to what it was previously that' be great. I have uploaded it to the correct hardback edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Reverted. I also approved your submission adding the image to the Grafton hc. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:24, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg; My cover doesn't show up but neither does the cover someone else uploaded last year. Can someone get my cover to show up? Also, I made an edit adding editor as cover artist so can you approve that, too. You also may want to check to see if the other person uploaded a cover for the American edition (different title) because there's no cover there, either. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== TCASFW Discussion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#TCASFW; When one of you approves my edit you can discuss with this PV what you'd like to do. I think their final message is that one of their volumes has a dash and one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:46, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding image credit , please ==<br />
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Good day,<br />
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I need help.<br />
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I would like to have an INTERIOR ART CREDIT added for Author record # 269730 ; Carl Lavoie.<br />
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It’s in the recent<br />
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Vastarien: A Literary Journal. Vol. 6, Issue 1<br />
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and it’s the frontispiece illustration, ‘The Evil Eye'.<br />
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Here’s a link to a sample of the issue, the illustration is right after the cover page:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/Vastarien-Literary-Journal-vol-issue/dp/B0CBT4B6D1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28D1CYLFVH4XL&keywords=vastarien+literary&qid=1692175645&sprefix=%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-1&asin=B0CBT4B6D1&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1<br />
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And here’s a link to the publisher, listing the content of the recent issue:<br />
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https://grimscribepress.com/issues/<br />
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Thank you. And have a wonderful day.<br />
-Carl Lavoie<br />
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: Thank you for getting interested in our little project. However, it seems as if the issue you refer to hasn't been added yet; the latest one I can find is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?872536 this] from 2021.<br />
: But before you or someone else becomes active and enters it: this seems to be a general literary journal which then wouldn't be eligible per se to ISFDB (which is devoted to speculative fiction); for such a journal only the speculative fiction items, the artwork illustrating them, and essays referring to speculative fiction would be allowed to be included in the entry (see [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions these definitions]. Please think about it, and then think if you'd like to get help to add the publication in question. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:18, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Frederick, Chambers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5746601; I came across Quick Action by Robert W. Chambers and added links (and a Canadian reprint) and then decided to enter links and stuff for other Chambers books illustrated by Frederick. Ran into trouble immediately because Tracer of Lost Persons is as by "R. W. Chambers" so if someone can approve my edit so it can be made a variant and month added to title record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:54, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MRC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2970668; An Archive.org link was recently upped for his 2014 novel so I added a link then I saw that his recent novel didn't have cover art in both editions so I imported it, then I noticed that the cover artist, who is also the author, didn't have a period added after R so it's a separate record. Since R with a period has bio info that means if I add a period it will erase the info, I think, so if one of you can add it without erasing the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I fixed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK) ==<br />
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I'm editing {{P|178073|Asimov's Extraterrestrials}} and on the title page is stated "Dragon [over] Grafton Books [over] A Division of the Collins Publishing Group". We have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27309 Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK)] but my understanding is that we don't record the owners (Collins) of the publishers (Grafton). If that's correct, the four publications (also 1986) listed in that category should be "Dragon / Grafton" (as imprint / publisher). If moderators agree, that's what I propose using in the Publisher field for my edit (and I could also amend the four other publications to the same). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:40, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Not hearing any objections, I'll wait another few days and then implement the above. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:54, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== With/with ==<br />
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I happened to notice that a mod is correcting "With" to "with" in a lot of records. Is there some way to trawl all the records and automatically correct wrongly capitalized words (or vice versa) with a patch or something? Seems like that would be helpful and save a lot of time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multiple Archive.org Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756500; Can a mod approve my edits for Number 87 from the first one linked above and ending with 5756519? I want to know if adding the second Archive.org link which someone added to the title records instead of the Macmillan edition's record will erase the much more recent link, uploaded this year, which I added in my first edit. On a side note, author's collection Thoughts in Prose and Verse also has been linked, no contents, in case anyone cares to read it and enter genre stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Does everything look as you intended? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:32, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, I don't know, I've completely confused myself. I see one title record still has old link that I removed and I missed another Macmillan link, so I've removed it again and added new link. I don't even think my note above was correct because the new link is for the UK edition so it wouldn't erase the US link. Forget it, I can't do this stuff anymore, 2 more links to approve when you get a chance, someone else will have to take a look and make sure links are where they're supposed to be along with everything else, I'm done. I've got to get out of here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== image delete request ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the old (04:13 hrs) image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DRKBNDCTNF2015.jpg here]. (edit) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:ErsatzCulture#Miller_-_Dark_Benediction this discussion]. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:15, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Kev, You wish to delete the cover with 'jr' correct? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:43, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that's the one. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:20, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine-Thirty O'Clock in the Morning ==<br />
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Curious what happened to the usual 5-minute or so delay at 9:30 every morning. It didn't happen today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The daily backups run between 9:30am and 9:35am. The database is unavailable until they finish.<br />
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: On 2023-08-30 the backup process was modified to exclude a large and fast growing database table which didn't need to be backed up in the first place. An error was introduced while making the change, which caused the backups to fail on 2023-08-31. The error was corrected the same day and the backups have been running smoothly ever since. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:29, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deagol ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Deagol; I added my first-ever message to this PV and noticed all messages are in italics or a weird font or something. Probably not important but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's bizarre. I can't see anything on that page that would cause everything to be in italics. I can't find any other page that are like that, either. I'm guessing it's something that went funky on the backend. We'd have to have Al or Ahasuerus look at it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Nevermind, I found it. While it shouldn't have affected the entire page (it should have only affected the part after it), I removed the italics from the page with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADeagol&type=revision&diff=670207&oldid=670204 this edit]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:29, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Here's another page; https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Clarkmci. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pastel City. ==<br />
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Hello mods. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1868818 This] interior art is the same artwork as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2251327 this] title record. I'd also like to rename the interior art record from "The Great Rebellion [1]" to "CA 440 Minifreighter" (as per art caption in Cowley's Great Space Battles). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:38, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If there is a caption (or a title somewhere) in the book, then yes, rename and use that - captions and titles from inside of the books are always used when known instead of the standard [] notation. If the title was coming from a secondary source, we would just add it into the notes but if it is in the book, go ahead and rename. And variant it to the cover :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:30, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You may want to participate at [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F|this Rules and standards discussions]]. As pointed out in that discussion, the current rules do not include using the caption / title (though that has become a common practice) and so far there has not been agreement to change the rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:00, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Will do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:45, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1))<br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy<br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb<br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original)<br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original)<br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb<br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb<br />
page 155 Futureboro (original)<br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction:<br />
The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page <br />
to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books {{unsigned|RogerSSS}}<br />
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== Protocol for working on recently added/changed publications ==<br />
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There has always been potential for moderators unknowingly working on the same set of submissions. Early on we added the ability to put submissions "on hold" in order to mitigate this problem. Later, we added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent_activity_menu.cgi Recent Activity] page and, even more recently, "Edit History", which helps avoid confusion and cross-approvals.<br />
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At the same time, the recent implementation of the "self-approver" system significantly increased the number of editors who can approve submissions. Earlier today we had a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eccentric_Orbits:_An_Anthology_of_Scienc collision] between a moderator working on new submissions and a self-approver who noticed the new publication and tried to improve it while the moderator was still researching it. The result was a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?970089 mishmash of approvals].<br />
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What should be the standard for moderators and self-approvers working on recently approved records which the original approver may still be researching? Since we now have Edit History, should it be something like:<br />
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* Before correcting/adding data to a publication record, check its Edit History. If the record has been created or modified within the last 24 (12? 48? 72?) hours, check with the last approving moderator to see if the record is still being researched.<br />
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? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider it always a good idea to talk to the editors and moderators that had worked on a record that still need work before changing the work of people -- sometimes they have an edit staying in a browser and never submitted, sometimes they just had not had a chance to get back to the record to fix it (or got distracted) and sometimes it is a misunderstanding of the rules on someone's part - the person trying to improve or the editor who started it or simply a disagreement on how things need to be entered where the rules allow editor's discretion. And especially if the submitter is a new(ish) user and there is no note from the handling moderator on their page yet but I think it is common courtesy in all cases. Asking for 24 hours grace period is a good first step I guess. Adding to that the requirement for communication before the edits are done will be even better - and will also help getting our editors closer to being self-sustaining. I did not think that we need to put that in writing but apparently it is not as self-evident as I always assumed it to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Could we add a flag to each record that gets set when a change is submitted, and then removed 25 hours after the submission is approved (and removed if a submission is declined)? Then the system could display a note on the edit page for any record that has that flag set. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, if the goal is to display a warning when an editor tries to edit a publication record that has been modified within the last 24 hours, then it can be done without adding new flags. We already have Edit History; it would be easy to modify the software to check it and display a warning. We'll just need to decide on what the warning should say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Mountain being made out of a molehill. No need to add bureaucracy and development effort for a problem that rarely happens. This is a collaborative project which means people could occasionally work on the same items, but, in practice, it rarely happens in a short period of time. People should not feel possessive about their edits. An equally valid solution would be for moderators to put edits on hold and do their research prior to accepting the submission. That way they can make the corrections immediately after accepting the submission. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Let me just clarify that adding a note along the lines of "This Publication was last edited by X and approved by Y on 2023-09-12 at 12:34pm" to EditPub forms affecting recently edited publications would be quite simple. We already have all of the requisite data in a readily accessible location within the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Apparently the definition of possessive, as used in the above comment, is the approving moderator making the necessary changes and/or communicating with the submitting user immediately after approval. Isn't that exactly our responsibility? If not please enlighten me. I don't believe a software solution is necessary. It would surprise me if anyone else would decide to edit a publication immediately after its initial approval. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Re: "edit[ing] a publication immediately after its initial approval", I have come close to accidentally colliding with other editors/moderators a few times. I am subscribed to Amazon's automatic notifications for certain authors. When they publish new books, Amazon sends me an email. Sometimes other editors/moderators buy the same books the day they are published and enter them into the database at around the same time. I don't think it has caused any issues yet, especially now that we have additional yellow warnings, but it's been close a few times. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:09, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: It doesn't take a moderator to know we cannot edit submissions, but must approve them and then make corrections. The comment about research before approval is also incorrect. I had identified the changes I wanted to make. However it took me eight minutes to enter the corrections and the notes to moderator , review and post. P.S. I would have promptly replied to a query as to status.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::This proposal is for a 24-hour period. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:46, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then propose a shorter window. The last time an editor (sitting on the recent updates queue and jumping as soon as they thought they saw something they MUST update now), made a merge on a story in an anthology of 20 titles or more, most of which required updates in the titles and authors (capitalization and spaces an so on) and follow-up merges and my edit had to be redone from scratch because the merge deleted the title ID - thus making the edit unworkable. I did not raise the question back then - I just redid the edit, posted for the new editor (first edit by them -- and anthologies tend to be... not fun) and then walked away for the day. It was not the first time that had happened. If common courtesy won't regulate that and it does happen more often than once in a blue moon, then we will need to spell out some rules. It is not about being possessive or not doing research before approval - it is about giving a moderator the needed time to do their post-approval edits before losing their time and forcing them to either redo the edit from scratch or look through multiple edits to see if something conflicted somewhere and a second edit is required. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The above proposal doesn't address your scenario. A title merge is not a publication edit so wouldn't get the proposed warning. Collisions can happen without people sitting on the recent updates queue & without editing the same pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:54, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: It does - when the merge is because someone opened the recently created publication and looked for duplicates and decided to "help", that is exactly the issue at hand. Collisions always happen - and we all learn to live with them. But these are easily avoidable with a bit of common courtesy (or with a rule that says not to do it - if nothing else works). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Standards question has reached an impasse ==<br />
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Three verifiers cannot reach agreement regarding current standards. The question revolves around the publication pages field and content titles page field. Please help resolve the impasse [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#1634:_The_Bavarian_Crisis here] Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Mandelo, Revisited ==<br />
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Although we view the Lee Mandelo name change as closed, this has not been the case in the general public. In particular, the ISFDB Wikipedia article has recently used Jason Sanford's article about the Lee Mandelo situation as factual evidence of an issue, and I would like to post actual counter evidence of what actually happened. As such, I've been working on two documents. The first is a post-mortem of the situation, which provides a detailed timeline of every submission and communication which is related to the name change. It then summarizes the system issues and potential recommendations. Once the post-mortem is finalized I will post an Open Letter to the SF Community, which will reference that post-mortem.<br />
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The intention of this two articles is to provide a reference-quality document that can be added as a reference to Wikipedia, if needed. So I'd like the documents to be clean, and not contain large sections of indented discussions. There definitely should be discussions, but not within those documents. The first document is available now at:<br />
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* [[User:Alvonruff/A_Post-Mortem_on_the_Lee_Mandelo_Name_Change]]<br />
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Discussion about the document can occur here. Feel free to directly correct any grammar/spelling errors. Detailed discussions about the potential implementation of the recommendations should take place in the usual locations. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 10:42, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Is this discussion only open to moderators? I appreciate Community Portal can be noisy, but assuming that this discussion is open to all ISFDB stakeholders, maybe have a link on that page here at least? <br />
: (Super trivial observation: maybe fix the "Revisted" typo in the item title, before there are any links pointing at the wrong title?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:00, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Fine with me to move the discussion so that it is open to all. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 15:08, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Organizing all of the publicly available data -- submissions, Wiki discussions, etc -- as a timeline sounds like a reasonable idea.<br />
::: One thing that we may want to consider is how the ISFDB project communicates with the outside world. Currently, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_other_Web_sites_and_social_media_accounts_does_the_ISFDB_use.3F the ISFDB FAQ says]:<br />
:::* ''What other Web sites and social media accounts does the ISFDB use?''<br />
:::* ISFDB administrators may post announcements on [http://isfdb.blogspot.com/ this Blogspot] Web page in case of extended unscheduled downtime or connectivity problems. There are no other official or ISFDB-endorsed Web sites, Web pages or social media accounts. Non-ISFDB Web sites and social media accounts maintained by individual ISFDB contributors (editors, moderators and administrators) are independent of the ISFDB and are not endorsed by it.<br />
::: This policy was originally formulated in part due to the existence of Web sites/Web pages like [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb this Facebook page] which uses the ISFDB name and images without clarifying that it is not affiliated with the ISFDB project.<br />
::: The policy means that our project is currently a closed system with no Web/social media presence aside from the ISFDB Web site and no official communications with the outside world except by individual ISFDB contributors acting on their own.<br />
::: If we are to change this approach, we will presumably want to formulate an official communications strategy first. Something like an official social media account, perhaps? (I don't use social media outside of Web/Usenet forums which discuss SF, so I may not be the best person to come up with ideas.)<br />
::: Alternatively, Al could post an "open letter" as an individual. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:12, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::One thing we need to do is try to work with Sanford to correct his information in [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/genre-grapevine-for-december-31-2022 his post]. At least based on the timeline Al posted, the first time a concern was posted in one of the public forums here is on Dec 14, 2022 by the author in question, and everything was handled within less than a week. So saying ISFDB "fought against changing Lee Mandelo’s name in the site’s author listing for over a year" is rather a stretch. As noted, we should find a way to make it more clear when we will change a canonical name, but we certainly weren't "fighting" against changing it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: A new section, "How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?", was [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AFAQ&type=revision&diff=651853&oldid=651852 added to the ISFDB FAQ] on 2022-12-26 based on this and previous discussions. Can anyone think of additional ways to increase its visibility? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:13, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Additionally, Sanford describes Username as a moderator, which is not and has never been the case. At the very least, his comment was certainly insensitive, but Sanford should do his homework before trying to smear the moderators. Simply checking the list at the top of the Moderator noticeboard would have clarified that point. The "bad publicity" really had nothing to do with us making the change. It was the author posting here and making a request. Once we were made aware there was an issue, we discussed it and quickly made the updates (as noted, within less than a week from being made aware of the issue). The majority of that less-than-a-week was sorting out exactly what needed to be done to make all the changes as it's not a simple thing to do, and things have to be done in a specific order in order to not make it even more difficult to update. <br />
::::I think having an official Twitter/X and/or Facebook account would be good as those are the two largest social media platforms for publishing-related things. The Blogspot site is fine, but no one is going to think of looking there since it's rather obscure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Excuse me, how did I get roped into this nonsense? Some trans activists try to bully this site into changing someone's "dead" name and it's my fault now? What comment are you referring to? I do more edits and leave more messages here than everyone else combined --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To clarify: as of last morning, of the 234,773 submissions approved in 2023, 17,359 (7.4%) were created by [[User:Username|Username]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:41, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: so mentioning a singular thing I said a long time ago is pointless because I wouldn't remember it, anyway. Quote me what I supposedly said. EDIT: Never mind, Mr. Sanford quoted me on his Substack page where I quite logically inquired as to what would happen if Mandelo decided their transition was a mistake and wanted to transition back; would Mandelo and all the assorted friends bully ISFDB into changing everything back to Brit? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F current policy] is:<br />
::::::* The name chosen to be the canonical name is the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre.<br />
:::::: Lee Mandelo provided evidence that the "most recognized name within the SF genre" was "Lee Mandelo". Once we confirmed it, we changed the canonical name as per the policy, not because the author requested it. Whether the policy should be changed to account for author preferences is a different issue and fodder for the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: There are countless people online who have said their transition was the result of peer pressure or mental/emotional confusion or bad parents/doctors who encouraged them to transition for their own personal/monetary reasons and, tragically, many of them have already had body parts removed that they'll never be able to replace. Pretending otherwise is choosing not to accept reality. If Mandelo feels like their transition will be permanent and they're happy with that, fine. ISFDB is a gigantic site and highly disorganized; expecting it to run smoothly for one person is unreasonable. The delay in changing the name was due to a complete breakdown in communication, not because of transphobia. I reject terms like "bigoted" and "insensitive" to describe my remark; an apology will suffice. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To my shame, I didn't say anything publicly when this kicked off originally - instead choosing to walk away from any association with this site for several months - but quite frankly, I feel that this site would be better off without you. All the edits you do to fix bad data are great in themselves, but I don't think they are worth all the aggravation you cause. If I recall correctly, at least one moderator refuses to work on your edits, and numerous other moderators and editors have had run-ins with you over your edits and general attitude. You've promised on numerous occasions that you intend to leave this site, any chance you can fulfill those promises?<br />
:::::: It's one thing when that stuff is kept internal to this wiki, but when it explodes into the public domain, like it did last December, then all of us get tarred with the same brush, which is why I walked away then. I have numerous issues with what "the other side" did last December - e.g. Sanford's apparent lack of any sort of reaching out to get the ISFDB side of the story; the fact that (as IIRC Scifibones also found) 5 minutes of investigation disproved the claim that the deadname wasn't being still being used for publications (although it looks like some/most of them have finally been updated) - but it's hard to defend the ISFDB position when you had utterly poisoned the discourse. If you don't believe the comments you posted were utterly inflammatory, can I suggest you step out of your FoxNews/Daily Wire/Newsmax/whatever bubble, and understand that you can't talk to people that way?<br />
:::::: Maybe I'll get attacked or censured for this comment, but quite frankly, I'd rather that happen, than have been silent on this. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:03, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: [[User:Username|Username]] has been warned about being abrasive and about personal attacks, e.g. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Warning_re:_the_last_exchange_with_Willem_H._on_the_Community_Portal here]. However, the ideal outcome is not to drive abrasive editors away, it is to help them improve their ability to communicate with other editors to ensure that the project functions smoothly. If it doesn't work, then [[ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy]], which provides for escalating penalties for misconduct up to and including an indefinite block, comes into play. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Re-reading [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]], I have a few suggestions:<br />
* "14 December 2022" where it says "Mandelo posts a request to the Moderator Noticeboard". I suggest linking [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display the Moderator Noticeboard discussion].<br />
* Same day where it says "A 4-day bibliographic discussion follows with numerous open questions, with responses from Mandelo." I suggest adding that the current standard -- "For authors who publish under multiple names, the canonical name is the most recognized name for that author within the genre" -- was explained to Lee Mandelo who then provided evidence supporting the notion that, as of 2022-12, the "most recognized name" was indeed "Lee Mandelo". That's what triggered the canonical name change.<br />
* The "Recommendations" section of [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]] suggests the following change to the canonical name policy:<br />
** The Canonical Name of a living author should only be changed at the request of the author in question.<br />
* This would be a fairly major policy change which would affect a number of scenarios. For example, we have received canonical author change requests based on authors trying to promote new working names. To quote what I wrote during the 2022-12 discussion:<br />
** It's been occasionally proposed that we make exceptions to our canonical name policy for certain types of scenarios. For example, {{A|Debora Geary}} published ''A Modern Witch'', a series of popular urban fantasies, in 2011-2013. Then, after a painful divorce, she removed all of them from Amazon and restarted her career as Audrey Faye. A few years ago she published a non-fiction account of her recovery after divorce ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835287 Sleeping Solo: One Woman's Journey Into Life After Marriage]) in which she explained why she could no longer be associated with the name "Debora Geary". Another example would be a person converting to another religion and changing his or her name to reflect new beliefs. Changing one's gender would be another scenario which has been discussed a few times, including [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Canonical_names_for_transgender_authors an extensive Rules and Standards discussion in September 2018].<br />
** So far these discussions of possible exceptions have failed to lead to a new consensus, in part because of the number of possible scenarios and sub-scenarios. For example, consider {{A|Poppy Z. Brite}}, who has been using the name "Billy Martin" socially since the early 2010s, but whose books continue to be published as by "Poppy Z. Brite".<br />
* We will need to discuss the proposed change on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page.<br />
[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:23, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In my opinion, the best part about the current policy is that it is quantitative/qualitative and not subjective. We did not use "Brit Mandelo" because of someone's whim or someone's views on Mondelo's gender identity or even popular vote. Technically, the switch from Brit to Lee as canonical was made because the underlying measure of primary identification changed over time and "Lee Mandelo" supplanted "Brit Mandelo". I don't think we should have a blanket policy that authors or their agents can request changes. That's another form of whim, and the ISFDB's purpose is not advertising for authors or publishers. Perhaps one thing we could consider, though, is a policy allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change. E.g., if "ABC" came to us and said "I changed my name to 'XYZ', and all of my books are being pulled from the shelves and are being reissued using that name. Could 'XYZ' be configured as my canonical name?" ISFDB could then project the future and perhaps act early. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:19, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Re: "allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change", we ran into an issue in this area back in the late 2010s.<br />
::: In 2015 the author who had published the "Vladimir Tod/Slayer Chronicles" series as {{A|Heather Brewer}} [https://ew.com/article/2015/06/25/heather-brewer-zac-brewer-transgender/ changed the name] to "Zac Brewer". There were plans to republish Brewer's old books under the new name and at least one SF story was indeed published that way. Based on that, an ISFDB editor proposed that we change the canonical name to "Zac Brewer" with the expectation that it would soon become the "most recognized name ... within the genre". At the time we decided to wait and see what would happen in another year or two.<br />
::: As it turned out, the name "Zac Brewer" was used on 2 non-genre novels in 2016-2017, but all new speculative fiction (2 novels and 1 story) appeared as by "Z Brewer". I guess it goes to show that making assumptions about future releases is chancy in the publishing business. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I agree. Keeping the policy as objective as possible is a good thing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:43, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]], thanks for a very nice job on the timeline. I'm not sure anything posted on social media ever changed anyone's opinion, but it accurately documents the facts. Sections 3 and 4 are better served as the kickoff to the Rules and Standards discussion and should not be included in the public release. A subsequent post documenting our reasoning and any changes is a better course. Anyone interested can follow and/or participate in the R & S discussions (I anticipate multiple threads). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], If you are going to link this thread to the letter, I suggest starting the main thread and moving [[User:MartyD|MartyD's]] & [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe's]] posts there. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:54, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I agree that discussions of the current canonical name policy and any proposed changes belong on the Rules and Standards page. I am just waiting for Al to chime in and clarify whether he meant to propose a change. If he did, then we can move the policy part of the discussion there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:00, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: For Al's postmortem, I think it would be helpful to quote the first paragraph of the '''Canonical Name''' definition from [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] and to summarize the "enter-name-as-it-appears-in-the-publication" policy and provide links to [[Template:TitleFields:Author]] and [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] prior to getting into the timeline. That is the working context for the data present in the system and various events that occurred during the timeline. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:32, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: That's a good point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Review of" ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412925; While my editing which ended after Labor Day won't resume full-time until October I did, after a week without any edits, start doing a few handfuls of clean-up edits fixing this or that which lately have been almost entirely related to D. F. Lewis. I just came across an interesting situation which a mod should probably take care of because it's a 2-step process, changing ESSAY to REVIEW and then link review from the menu, which mods can approve instantly instead of me doing one step and then waiting for approval before doing the other step. Nemonymous 3 mentioned in the review in the zine linked above is on ISFDB, titled Gold Coin; the issue of New Genre is also here as is the issue of Gigamesh. The last non-linked review is of a Norwegian novel whose title translates as a ghost story so that book almost certainly is eligible and should be entered here and then the review linked to it. That one may require someone with a knowledge of the language. I tried to figure out how to search for all instances of "review of" in All Hallows issues but I couldn't do it. Maybe someone else knows how or, if not, an issue-by-issue check will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pohl - Gateway ==<br />
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Has anybody any suggestions how [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rudam#Pohl_-_Gateway this situation] might be resolved. No progress has been made as the PV is unresponsive. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image Deletion ==<br />
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Could a moderator please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THBKFSTRND2014.jpg this image]. The licensing tag information is incorrect. After the deletion, I will re-upload with correct tag. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:47, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. You could have edited the tag BTW :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't realise I could do it myself. Thanks for the image deletion and the heads up re editing the licence tag. I have now figured out how to do it for the future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:44, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shutdown ==<br />
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Library of Congress has an ominous red warning about what will happen if the U.S. government shuts down a few days from now. Will anything on this site be affected or will it make no difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:57, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The only effect will be not being able to look up LCCNs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LOTR Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3078415; Another editor added an archived link to the Canadian edition recently but nobody ever added a link to the USA edition which has been there since 2010 so I just added it. The title is in question because it's written in fancy font on title pages; PV Auric seemed to think Film Book should be 2 words but other editions are Filmbook. So which should it really be, and should Part I be removed from USA title since it's not actually part of the title in the book? PV doesn't respond very often so I thought I'd bring it up here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for Voyage of Mael Duin's Curragh ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49434; I just had my edit adding an archived link and fixing cover artist/adding interior artist but after looking at it I realized dates are off because Locus, https://www.locusmag.com/index/b1.htm, has one of those 2-date things and someone entered book as October but title and cover art are September, with my new interior art credit matching the book's October date. What's the rule? Which date should they all be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:What does it state on the copyright page? If it includes a month, that's what we should use. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:04, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::No, there's no month, if there was that would take precedence over Locus. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art credit removal ==<br />
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As we don't credit designers for coverart, would moderators agree to removing Michniewicz's titles from {{P|129031|here}} and {{P|174091|here}}? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:50, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2000/b5.htm#A119.2 Locus1] credits Michniewicz for the first one's cover. Since he is PV for both, you could try reaching out to Michael (use the ISFDB to send him mail) and see if he'll respond and offer an opinion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:34, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Unfortunately I can't use the email system (it won't work with my provider, even though Ahasuerus has tried to fix it for me) so the only possibility there is if some kind soul would email him for me.<br />
::As far as I can ascertain from all the pub notes, Michniewicz is credited as designer for a lot of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?168 the series] for the simple graphics. It is only for later issues where Gollancz have incorporated actual artwork that the artists get credit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:29, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Any other help please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:03, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I would leave a note on [[User talk:Mhhutchins]] re: the proposed changes. If there is no response after a week, we can remove the COVERART titles and document the designers in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've left a message on his talk page. Thank you for the advice! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:10, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Goss ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?239252; 2 different guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:39, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Goat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?882813; Can a mod take a look at those last 2 edits? I see at least a few problems with ID and web links; maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow Edits ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MOHearn#Return_of_the_Shadow; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5782555; I contacted MOHearn but we have some cross-editing going on so if I can ask one of you to approve my edits (assuming there's no problem with any of them) starting with the one linked above and going through 5782728 (there's 4 non-Shadow edits from 5782649 through 5782652; ignore those) so we can put these behind us. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== El Topo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5784269; HC copy uploaded recently, I'm going to add it (I added that paper edition a while ago) but wanted to get this edit approved first assuming mods agree it should be a chapbook since novelization is only 80-something pages with the rest being non-fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning up English translations of RUR ==<br />
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Hi all, I'm in the process of cleaning up the English translations of {{A|Karel Čapek|161}}'s {{T|2218756|RUR}}. This has led to a bunch of related edit submissions ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791148 5791148], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791149 5791149], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791151 5791151], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791157 5791157], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791159 5791159], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791160 5791160], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791188 5791188]), several of which will involve follow-up edits.<br />
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That said, I'm not quite sure how to approach cleaning up one of the existing {{T|1156033|chapbook}} / {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} pairs. There are 3 associated publications: {{P|328124}}, {{P|362654}}, {{P|529466}}.<br />
* '''{{P|328124}}''' is an English translation by David Short that I expect is distinct from the other two publications.<br />
* '''{{P|362654}}''' is an English translation by David Wyllie that is currently mapped to the wrong title(s) based on viewing the publication's title page via a reading sample from Amazon (see edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995]).<br />
* '''{{P|529466}}''' is a seemingly unknown English translation from Amazon's on-demand (self-)publisher. I haven't been able to find much trace of this particular edition online. I'm guessing this is likely a reprint of the out-of-copyright translation by Paul Selver possibly further adapted by Nigel Playfair.<br />
Do the following actions seem appropriate for this situation?<br />
# Unmerge {{P|328124}} and associate with new variant chapbook and shortfiction titles (distinct translation by David Short)<br />
# Unmerge {{P|362654}} and associate with different variant {{T|1114927|chapbook}} and {{T|1314651|shortfiction}} titles (distinct translation by David Wyllie)<br />
# Leave {{P|529466}} as is, but update associated {{T|1156033|chapbook}} and {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} titles to note that this is an unknown translation.<br />
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Thanks! --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 14:03, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep - when we know the translators of a specific book, unmerge the chapbook and the story, make them variants and add the translator to the notes of both titles. We had been slowly chipping at the early messes such as this one, created long before we started recording translators on the title level - so thanks for sorting it out. I also tend to add a "This title may contain multiple distinct translations" note or something to that effect to the one with unknown translators - when there is more than one book anyway. If two unknowns are known to be different, we also unmerge them and add as much as we know on their notes to identify what goes where... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:23, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Jules Verne has lots of examples of multiple translations in various languages. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:29, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks, that makes sense. I mainly wanted to check how to handle this particular instance because I expected the translator could be identified if someone checked this particular edition. Jules Verne is a good (although more complex) example that I'll keep in mind when I clean up future translation records. --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 17:45, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: We are playing catch-up on these -- for a long time, we did not separate or record per translator - so since we started, it had been a never ending game of finding all of them. And the ones translated into English are the most problematic due to the volume - in most other languages, we are mostly done with adding the Translator template which required the messes to be untangled. There are corners of the DB like that - where you will find surprises you would think cannot happen. Jules Verne looks as good as he does because Doug spent months fixing the records. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Old cover image delete ==<br />
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Could someone please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MCKNGBRDPV0000.jpg the old image], Date/Time: - 11:47, 23 February 2014 - to prevent reverting. The new image is identical but larger. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:26, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:20, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Annie! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Invaders by Adelia Saunders ==<br />
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This concerns the cover art shown for Publication Record # 777558, Invaders by Vaughn Heppner<br />
The cover art shows the author to be Adelia Saunders. She did not write a book called Invaders. She did write one called Indelible.<br />
I went over to Brilliance Audio. This is just a generic cover they use. Its the same cover for Invader by C.J. Cherryh, Artemis Invaded by Jane Lindskoid and a number of others including The Spirit of Dorsai, By Gordon R. Dickson [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 19:51, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?777558 Updated], thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derived prices in early Bantam Books ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25 Bantam Books] was founded in 1945 and concentrated on publishing mass market paperbacks. As far as I can tell, early on they didn't display prices on the cover or on the spine. However, some (all?) of them, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''''The Day He Died''], had ad pages in the back with one or more lists of books which you could buy by sending $0.25 plus $0.05 for postage to the publisher's address. I suppose it's likely that the list price was also $0.25, although it's not a guarantee.<br />
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Some online sources explicitly state that the list price was "$0.25", but I don't know where their data comes from. Some of our records also display "$0.25" in the price field, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''], which has the following note:<br />
* No price stated, but ad pages for current releases list $0.25 price.<br />
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Clearly, this situation requires an explanation in the Note field, but what would you enter in the price field? $0.25? Leave it blank? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:11, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems ok to me to use $0.25 and treat the ad as a secondary source. If we had a book with no printed price on it, found a review (or announcement) contemporaneous with its issuance, and that review stated a price, I think we would normally be happy to use that and cite the review as the source. The ad situation strikes me as equivalent. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:03, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree. As long as there is a note explaining the sourcing of the price, this is not different from finding a price on a publisher site, a contemporary review or any other secondary source. If we ever find a better information that contradicts the price as derived via such a method for that specific book, the note can be adjusted and the price changed if needed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:44, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to Ahasuerus for following up my discussion with him and getting this cleared up. Here's a list, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=contains&TERM_2=Latham&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=Bantam&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], of all Bantam books PV by Scott Latham; he entered prices for all of them and there's a note in the third book that he got the price from Tuck. EDIT: In the 4th book there's a note, "Price from ads in the back, listing other Bantam titles all for 25¢", so it seemed random whether there's no price note or where he got it from if he did leave a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:56, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think this is fine. A note should be included stating where the price was from, but I have no problem sourcing prices that way. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Thanks, folks. I have updated the publication record, deleted a duplicate pub and notified the affected verifier. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Can we have some clarification please because I am confused by this discussion.<br />
:Ahasuerus' initial post implied to me that we are looking at a situation where an unpriced book contains a house ad listing other books for sale from the publisher. All these books are listed with an identical price but the list does NOT contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario A.<br />
:However, MartyD and Annie's replies imply to me that they seem to think the list DOES contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario B.<br />
:We need to consider these two scenarios separately.<br />
:Scenario A: I do not consider it appropriate to infer the price of a book from other contemporary books. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11582 Ace 1st pb ed of Dune], published in 1967, is priced 95c. It's a fat book for its era. However, Ace pb's in that year were typically priced around 50c. So if, hypothetically, Ace books published in 1967 did not have a cover price then it would be erroneous to infer that Dune was 50c based on a house ad listing other contemporary books at 50c.<br />
:Scenario B: This is not contentious. Record the price in the Price field and add a mandatory pub note stating the source, ie the house ad. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:52, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry, I may not have been clear. The ads in the back of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''The Day He Died''] do include ''The Day He Died'' (with the correct catalog ID) in the list of books that you can get for $0.25, so it's "Scenario B" above.<br />
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:: Now that I am thinking about, there may be an additional twist. According to Jon Warren's "Official Price Guide: Paperbacks", some early Bantam paperbacks had 2 versions which shared the ''same'' catalog ID: a regular version and a version in a dust jacket. I don't recall seeing dust-jacketed versions, which are apparently highly prized among collectors. I don't know how they were priced and whether you could get them from the publisher for $0.25. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ah, all is good then. Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:53, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name out of date? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79169 G. Arthur Rahman] has about 15 titles under that canonical name, from the 70s and 80s, but he has over 30 under the name Glenn Rahman (and a few under other forms of the name). [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976477 Here] is my entry of some new 2023 stories in addition to those on that author page. I'm holding off on making them variants to ask: Could his canonical name be changed from G. Arthur Rahman to Glenn Rahman to reflect the majority of bylines? -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:29, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Working on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:31, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I'd think so - provided someone sets out to do the transformation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:32, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done! You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15307 here]. Let me know if I missed anything as this one was more complicated due to the number of pseudonyms. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks, Nihonjoe! I'll put the new stories into their series and look over the older ones. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 13:38, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Juliana Pinha --> Juliana Pinho ==<br />
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Hello, would it be possible to correct 'Pinha' to 'Pinho' in this entry for INTERZONE #295? Thank you.<br />
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190 • Notes From the Meeting of the First State Feder World Court: Walker Dairy, Freeville, NY, 198 Year One: Jessica Jane Pearson Vs. The Stranger Mr. Jacob Hampton • interior artwork by Juliana Pinha<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?977484<br />
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--[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 14:29, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: This depends on the way the artist is credited in the issue: we do document the spelling of a name, even if it is mistyped in a given magazine issue (and then do variant it to the canonical name, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3146115 this example]). <br />
: Anyway, since "Interzone" #295 is primary verified, it is etiquette to ask / inform the primary verifier. You can reach him [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk here]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:05, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the info. It is 'Pinho' in the magazine (on the story cover page, and in the contents page). I'll move this to the primary verifier page, thanks.<br />
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:: --[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 16:55, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Bridge by James E. Gunn, Jack Williamson ==<br />
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Publication Record # 31949 states the artist is Ed Valigursky and that there was not any credit in the book. That the credit came from Jack Williamson's Seventy-Five: The Diamond Anniversary of a Science Fiction Pioneer. Heritage Auctions (fineart.ha.com/itm/paintings/gordon-pawelka-american-20th-century-star-bridge-paperback-cover-1963-oil-on-board-20-1-2-x-1/a/8000-71029.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515) has the artist as Gordon Pawelka. Was this a name used by Valigursky or do we have a conflict?? Hey Heritage could be wrong. It sold in 2020 for $3000 {{unsigned|Aardvark7}}<br />
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== RUSSWOTHE ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:RUSSWOTHE; I made a minor edit for a book PV by this person and noticed there's a stray message in the wrong place. Is it possible to move it to their discussion page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:21, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Followup: Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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Hello. I did not receive a response to my [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Crowley_and_Aziraphale.27s_New_Year.27s_resolutions September 2023 question] about how to catalog a weirdly-published Good Omens short story. So I am repeating the question here, please. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 14:25, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not eligible unless it was downloadable as an ebook - we allow only a limited set of online fiction and "a publisher site" is not amongst them. If it was downloadable as an ebook, it will be added as a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wrong tag for L. Sprague de Camp's ''The Hardwood Pile'' ==<br />
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Hello to all. The tag "science fiction" has been wrongly attributed to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57951 this story], which is only a fantastic and humorous ghost story. Could a bureaucrat please remove it ? TIA, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:31, 12 November 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Remove non-SF/fantasy/speculative fiction incorrectly attributed to an SF author ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I recently read and loved the story "In the Days After..." in Asimov's Science Fiction, November-December 2023 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3238197). I was curious about this author who was new to me, with a story I really liked, so I checked ISFDB.<br />
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Most of his work is noted as 1981 and beyond, with a long gap (~28 years) from 1995 to 2023. The Asimov's blurb does note that Frank Ward (William Francis Ward) did take a long time off from writing for "life". https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11458<br />
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There is a 1958 story listed under Frank Ward, "The Dark Corner". I was suspicious of this, as Frank Ward is listed with a 1950 birthdate.<br />
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I checked around. Galactic Central does show a substantial mystery body of work by a different Frank Ward, from the 1930s to the 1960s. http://www.philsp.com/homeville/cfi/n00786.htm#A5<br />
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I confirmed with the current Frank Ward via email that he did not write the mystery story "The Dark Corner", which does show up under the other Frank Ward at Galactic Central.<br />
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Given that "The Dark Corner" here is not by this Frank Ward (William Francis Ward), and that the other Frank Ward who wrote "The Dark Corner" appears to have written mysteries but not SF, fantasy or speculative fiction, I am assuming that I need to delete "The Dark Corner" story from ISFDB. I further assume this is done by the "Delete this title" button.<br />
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Please confirm, or let me know what is needed.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:There's an issue with one of Ward's titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?914168, the Fantasy Book Index, https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+pegasus+suit%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221983%22, says "Pegasus", there's a contents page scan on AbeBooks, https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Fantasy-Book-February-1982-Third-Issue/30051987897/bd, which probably says the same although it's blurry, only way to be sure is looking at the story's title page which would require a copy of the zine, you may want to ask him if he owns it so he can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I'm not quite clear what the issue is. When I looked at any of the 3 copies of the "An Index to Fantasy Book, Volume 1", at Internet Archive, they all note "The Pegasus Suit". Thanks for the clarification.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:57, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for checking with the author! I have disambiguated the author name -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370798 the result here] -- and updated the title record.<br />
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::: As to whether we want to remove [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2550138 "The Dark Corner"] from the database, it depends on a couple of different factors. The story appeared in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569570 anthology ''Bodies and Souls'']. Its dust jacket says "Fourteen Tales of Worldly and Other-Worldly Murder, Mayhem and Mystery", which suggests that it collects both SF and non-SF stories. We currently list one of the stories, "Too Many Coincidences", as "non-genre" while the rest are listed as SF. It's entirely possible that some of them are non-genre; we just don't know one way or the other. Once we know more about these stories, we can decide what to do with the anthology. Since it apparently contains at least some SF stories, we will want to keep the publication record, but if the overwhelming majority of the stories are non-genre, we may end up removing them and documenting them in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::My thanks for handling this. I appreciate and concur with the thinking, and I'll try to retain that for the future. Mr. Ward is pleased this has been revised.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: ISFDB says "Pegusus" which is obviously a misspelling of "Pegasus" but a look at the header on the story's title page is what's needed because it's entirely possible, as so often in zines, that titles differ from what's on the contents page. Searching for "Pegusus Suit" online finds only ISFDB and a couple of booksellers that obviously copied their info directly from ISFDB so it's likely just a simple mistake by whoever entered the contents here. You said you spoke to him via email so maybe you can ask him if he owns that issue of Fantasy Book to check and if it's wrong it will be fixed to "Pegasus". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I have reached out to Frank Ward on this question. I'll circle back when I know, and then correct the title if needed. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I have confirmed with Frank Ward by check of his copy of the 1982 Fantasy Book that "Pegasus" is the correct spelling. He thanks us for making the correction. I will submit that now. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Bodies and Souls is linked at Archive.org in the notes section of its record here so the story can be read to determine if it's genre or not as can the other contents; also, it's much longer than the others in the book and should probably be given novelette length. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::I checked at Galactic Central. They believe this story ("The Dark Corner") is a novella. I will make that change.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts II==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg&wpUploadDescription=%7B%7BCID1%0A%7CTitle%3DA%20Muster%20of%20Ghosts%0A%7CEdition%3DCecil%20Palmer%201924%20hc%0A%7CPub%3DMSTRFGHSTS1924%0A%7CPublisher%3DCecil%20Palmer%0A%7CArtist%3DUnknown%0A%7CSource%3DScanned%20by%20%5B%5BUser%3AUsername%5D%5D%7D%7D]; I was going to upload SFE image but it seemed familiar and it turned out I'd done it already but the image didn't go to the right place; also this old edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959, has been sitting there for months because without an image the signature couldn't be seen. So can someone get the image fixed and approve the cover artist edit? EDIT: After I entered this message it didn't go to the right place because I'd already written about it, with the same message title, long ago but nobody ever answered; it's up above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The image has been added to the pub & your edit approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:06, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MP3 CD price on Amazon note ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that Amazon is now typically showing the as new price for MP3 CDs whose publisher is "Audible Studios on Brilliance Audio" as $10.02. The list price for these CDs as reported on brilliancepublishing.com is almost always $9.99. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:23, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon ==<br />
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I've noticed that Amazon.com is used frequently to verify a publication date. I just wanted to point out that it's an unreliable source, because any time they don't know the exact date, they use the first of the month.<br />
For example, the publication date of this book: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?535016 is listed as 2008-11-01, but the data is from Amazon, so I don't know if that's the accurate date, or they just used the first of the month because they didn't know any better. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Clauditorium|Clauditorium]] ([[User talk:Clauditorium|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Clauditorium|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: The quality of Amazon's records varies a great deal. It's not always clear why the bad data is the way it is, but we can make educated guesses, at least in certain cases. For example, Amazon occasionally -- I would say around 5-10% of the time -- lists unrealistically low (14-32) page counts for English e-book editions of Japanese "light novels". It seems to be related to the fact that some light novels have short (4-20 pages) manga sections at the beginning of the book. We don't know why it affects Amazon's page counts, but it's something that editors have to keep in mind when entering light novel records using Amazon's data.<br />
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: Re: dates, it depends on how old the record is, where the book was originally published and the publisher. For older books, some records have no day/month information, some add arbitrary "-01" or "-01-01" to the end of the month or year, and some have surprisingly accurate dates even for books published in the 1960s/1970s. Our best guess is that "surprisingly accurate dates" come from publishers' catalogs that Amazon has/had access to.<br />
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: Amazon.com's records for books published in other countries frequently list the "US availability" date as the publication date. There can be a big gap between these two types of dates for books originally published in the UK and especially in Australia/New Zealand, which is why Amazon's dates for these types of books are often wrong.<br />
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: Also, a note on the terminology. We use Amazon stores -- Amazon.com, Amazon UK, Amazon DE, etc -- as ''sources'' of our data, but we don's use it for ''verification''. We have a number of recognized "secondary verification" sources which you can see if you display a publication record and click on "Verify This Pub" link under "Editing Tools", then scroll down to "Secondary Verifications". Like everything else in this world, these verification sources are not perfect, but their data is, on average, better than Amazon's.<br />
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: Ultimately, the ISFDB data is only as good as our sources. Even primary verified data can be imperfect due to data entry errors and misunderstandings. That's why it's so important to document exactly where our data comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== US Copyright Office website ==<br />
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Do you guys ever use the US Copyright Office website? I would think that would be the most reliable source. It often has publication dates down to the day, whereas other sources only have them down to the month.<br />
https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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: We use a variety of secondary sources to determine publication dates as discussed in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources this Help section]. The Copyright Catalog can be (and have been) used as a secondary source of information as long as we keep in mind that their "Date of Publication" values and "Registration date" values are often different, so we need to make sure to use their "Date of Publication" values.<br />
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: Another thing to keep in mind is what [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] calls "Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality":<br />
:* Publication date does not always perfectly match the calendar date. For example, a January issue of a magazine is usually available in December of the previous year, and often earlier than that. Books with a January publication date may often be bought in the closing weeks of the prior year; they will show the later year's copyright date, even though that year has not yet started. In these cases, the convention is to use the official publication date rather than to try to identify when a book actually first became available. If there is a large discrepancy -- for example if a book was printed but unexpectedly delayed before release -- then this can be noted in the notes field.<br />
: [https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=26&ti=1,26&SEQ=20231120164838&Search%5FArg=crichton%20michael&Search%5FCode=NALL&CNT=25&PID=hderjMf9JaGhuG3tox2UMY1nLcK_&SID=1 This Copyright Catalog record for the first edition of ''Disclosure'', a non-genre novel] by {{A|Michael Crichton}}, is a good example. The "Date of Publication" value is "1993-12-20", but the publication date stated in the physical book is "January 1994". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:02, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: When it comes to magazines, I'm aware of the disconnect between publication date listed on the copyright site and the date printed on the magazine cover. {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Back when mass market paperbacks took off in the United States, their publishers piggybacked on pre-existing distribution channels and inherited some of the peculiarities of the magazine distribution system. They also had to deal with numerous technical limitations of the printing business as it existed ca. 1950. For example, you could order a paperback with 96 pages or a paperback with 128 pages, but anything in between wasn't viable because of the way mass market paperbacks paperbacks were produced. Sometimes authors and/or editors were able to cut or pad stories to make everything work seamlessly. Other times typesetters had to add empty pages or use other tricks to pad the page count.<br />
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::: We see similar issues surface even in 2023. Amazon's page count values are often off because publishers create pre-publication records based on estimates. When books are produced, the actual page count is usually different. Not all Amazon records are updated post-publication, so we always take what's there with a grain of salt. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:10, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As for novels, I've noticed that in several cases, the date listed by isfdb.org is missing the day, but the copyright site will have this info. For example, Misery by Stephen King is listed here as being published on 1987-06-00; on the copyright site, the publication date is indicated as 1987-06-08 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1513). If I come across such occurrences, should I make a correction, crediting the copyright site? {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Sorry, I didn't quote the most applicable part of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Date]] earlier. Here is the relevant section:<br />
:::* The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See Secondary Sources of Dates.<br />
::: So the answer is yes, editors can make the date more precise as long as it is "otherwise consistent with publication's stated date" and the source is documented in Notes. If there is a discrepancy -- as in the case of {{A|Michael Crichton}}'s ''Disclosure'' (see above) which was offered for sale in late December 1993 but the printed publication date says "January 1994" -- then we use the printed date and optionally document what secondary sources like the Copyright Office or Amazon say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:24, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Captured By the Engines ==<br />
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Can someone approve my submission 5819033? Because I need to add month to merged art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications" on the New Submissions page ==<br />
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A new table, "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications", has been added to the New Submissions page. It will appear at the top of the page if any pending submissions affect the logged-in moderator's primary verifications. If you run into any issues, please report them here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:27, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Can Ellen Be Saved ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291669; I just uploaded new cover but it didn't go to the same Wiki page and replace old cover, it just created a new page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I added the new one to the pub and deleted the old one after verifying it was not used in any other pubs. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One New Message ==<br />
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"The following Contents titles have dates after the proposed publication date"; I got this message after submitting an edit for Tor ed. of G. Masterton's Mirror because month was April, not May, and cover art needed fixing in another edit. Is this new? I don't remember seeing that before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This warning was [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#New_yellow_warning_when_a_changed_Publication_date_is_before_one_of_the_Title_dates implemented on July 31] as per {{FR|1569}}, "Add a warning when a changed pub date is before one of the title dates". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:08, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Server issue? ==<br />
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Is there a server problem? I'm getting a 500 Internal Server Error message when trying to submit a Clone Publication. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:26, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Nevermind. I opened a new Clone the Pub tab and was able to submit the request successfully. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Log In ==<br />
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Why am I not logged in? Is there some new problem now? I see Username when I'm on the Wiki pages but the front page says "You are not logged in". EDIT: I got tired of waiting so I entered "Username" and "password" and that worked but a message popped up saying password was used in a data breach on Google or something like that. I don't know what's going on. Maybe someone can tell me if anyone else got that message or got logged out for no reason. I sincerely hope all of my info and edits and everything else that was there before I re-logged in is still exactly the same and nothing was changed/lost. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Old Edits ==<br />
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I'm trying to get my edits that have been sitting for months approved. I'll start with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747517, which is just a simple change from a dead Google Drive link to one that works. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747546; Just a simple cover image, Rudam said long ago in the thread "Rejected?" on his board that there's no need to ask about covers except for a couple of specific publishers. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749772; Just an archived link and an obvious format fix. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Changing the format is a major change and should not be approved unless the active verifiers have agreed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750346; Just an archived link and an obvious fix of LCCN in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::The active verifier has asked that he be contacted through the email system about changes. No indication in the edit that this was done, or what the response was. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750954; Just a simple LCCN ID and cleanup of several misspellings in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Moderator note only states "cleaned up sloppy note" without specifying what was changed. Best to notify the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757566; Just a simple note about the cover; it's on this page, https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/3786/fred-pickersgill-graves-give. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::This one is more of a judgement call. Personally I think it's too much information that is not germane to the publication. What does the soundtrack artist have to do with the book? I could have lived with something along the lines of "Cover is from the filmed version of 'The Female of the Species'". However, other moderators may differ. At a minimum, if we're going to go into this much detail, it should probably go below a <nowiki>{{BREAK}}</nowiki> tag. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved by JLaTondre. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Science ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5824080; I did add the archived link and the cover image but I didn't touch those reg. title art and story things so does anyone know why it says I did? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: It is a kinda known issue with the software when titles contains special characters, especially older titles added before some of the latest changes in handling these from the last years (in this case it is the <nowiki><</nowiki> that is throwing the fit. Because of that, the comparison for changes detects a change - even if there is none). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:56, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title change with no PVs ==<br />
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I was getting ready to add the audiobook and CD editions to Steven Erikson's novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424072 Rejoice] but noticed that the correct title name should be <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i> instead of just <i>Rejoice</i>. I looked at WorldCat, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, SFE, and Wikipedia, and in all cases except SFE, that is shown as the correct title. Would there be any objection to me changing the title to <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i>? None of the publications have a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:17, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The publisher also refers to it as 'Rejoice, A Knife to the Heart', [https://www.promontorypress.com/books/rejoice-a-knife-to-the-heart/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SF Adventures Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827099; I can never remember which changes to names affect what, so if someone can approve this assuming artist change won't mess anything up with info on his page or whatever. Also, both PV are long-gone so someone may want to check and see if there are any little details that I missed which need correcting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looks good, submission approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:01, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Liam Hogan versus Laim Hogan ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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In working to add the story "Ana" by Liam Hogan in "The Best of British Science Fiction 2016", I need to add it's first publication in Scientific American, as noted in the "Best of British Science Fiction" copyright page and else on the internet at Scientific American.<br />
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I checked the author's name. There is no "Liam Hogan" currently in ISFDB, but there is a "Laim Hogan", the author of the 2019 short fiction "XX". "XX" is listed as published in "Best Indie Speculative Fiction: Volume Two, November 2019". Upon looking at that "Best Indie..." on Amazon, the preview shows "Liam Hogan" on both the cover and table of contents.<br />
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Upon checking further, the website https://happyendingnotguaranteed.blogspot.com/p/2014.html for Liam Hogan notes both "XX" and "Ana" as his stories.<br />
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Therefore, I would appreciate it if a moderator could correct this author's name in ISFDB to "Liam" Hogan. Once that is done, I'll add "Ana" in the Scientific American webzine.<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:46, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: We do have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?180891 Liam Hogan] so I cannot rename [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?336607 Laim Hogan]. Same guy I think? If so, the fastest solution is to just fix the author on the stray story. If not, I will be happy to differentiate them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:52, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for fixing the author entry. Looks correct now. I'll go ahead and add the first publication for "Ana" now. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dave888|contribs]]) .</small> 14:03, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A SHORTFICTION title incorporated into the body of a NONFICTION title ==<br />
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I am holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823707 this submission], which would import {{A|Howard Koch}}'s SHORTFICTION title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982024 The Invasion from Mars: A Radio Adaptation] into the 2009 NONFICTION book [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765971 Waging The War of the Worlds: A History of the 1938 Radio Broadcast and Resulting Panic, Including the Original Script]. As the title of the NONFICTION book states, the text includes Koch's script, so normally it would make sense to approve the submission. However, the Notes field explains that:<br />
* Howard Koch's radio script is incorporated into the body of the book's main text, rather than being a separate essay.<br />
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Would you say that it makes sense to list the SHORTFICTION title as a Contents items in this pub? Or is it better presented as a part of the NONFICTION title? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:44, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My five cents: I'd say it makes sense if the piece is incorporated as a whole and without interruptions (of explaining notes). In the latter case the piece may only serve as a means to comment on Koch's unique handling (or something similar). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:25, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::If it's contained in its entirety and its content appears in proper order (whether or not contiguously), I am inclined to allow it. Technically, the work is published in the book. If it's not contiguous, the situation strikes me as similar to publications of "braided" stories. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:49, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks, folks. I have approved the submission, notified the inactive primary verifier and updated Notes to clarify the situation. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Entries disappeared ==<br />
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At least four of my entries from the last few weeks have disappeared from the database. I looked for the new publication series page, Gruselkabinett, as I was going to add more, and it and the four books I entered in it are gone. They're audio books: <i>Der Bluthund</i> by H.P. Lovecraft, <i>Die Weiden</i> and <i>Das unbewohnte Haus</i> by Algernon Blackwood, and <i>Die Toten sind unersättlich</i> by Leopold Sacher-Masoch. Even a new author entry they generated has vanished, the artist on two of the titles, Johannes Belach. I have no idea if more of my entries have disappeared. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 12:24, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking submission history (a moderator-only menu option), I see the following:<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981382 Publication ID 981382, ''Der Bluthund''], created on 2023-12-02 16:30:43. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:08:08. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981093 Publication ID 981093, ''Die Weiden''], created on 2023-11-30 18:58:05. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:37. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981433 Publication ID 981433, ''Das unbewohnte Haus''], created on 2023-12-02 20:36:31. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:13. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* I can't find an audio book version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3248968 Die Toten sind unersättlich] using moderator tools. I could presumably do it using programmer tools, but it would take time.<br />
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: I assume that Stonecreek deleted the 3 pubs listed above as per [[ISFDB:Policy]], which says:<br />
:* '''Included''': audio books, i.e. readings, but not dramatizations<br />
: I'll ask Stonecreek to join this discussion. We'll need to make sure that we are all on the same page or else we'll be stuck in an endless cycle of some editors adding certain books and other editors deleting them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:01, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, I deleted them on the basis of the rule that dramatizations are not to be included. I stumbled over the entry for "Die Weiden" upon reading a review at 'phantastiknews.de' of the play, and found that the other entries for publications fell into the same category. (A good rule of thumbs for a first check is if there are more than one speakers for a piece, it is most likely that it is a dramatization). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. In the future, when you come across publication records for ineligible works (like dramatizations), please use Edit History to identify the original submitter(s) and discuss the issue with them first. That way they will be made aware of what is and is not eligible for inclusion and won't make the same type of mistake in the future. Without an explanation, they'll be either confused and frustrated when the data that they previously submitted disappears or they will continue adding ineligible records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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I should leave it at that, since Ahasuerus was a lot more measured than I could be right now over the situation. -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In the past, we didn't have Edit History, so it was hard to tell who did what when. Now that it's been available for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development/Archive/2021 almost three years], it should be the default tool used to figure out why something appears to be off and whether a discussion is warranted.<br />
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: That said, old habits die hard. I still occasionally catch myself making a change, then realizing that I should have checked Edit History first. Hopefully, things will improve going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: My name was right there in the WorldCat verification on all four of those entries. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 21:34, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: My apologies: I stiil have to adapt to making a direct notification: as with this case I came upon this while doing research for another author at the news site, and carried on with this other task after that to get it done in that specific setting. <br />
::: And I didn't recall that the note left in the moderator's field wouldn't be easy to find. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::: (I'd love to add some really good audio plays to the database, but they ''are'' excluded, just like the ones you had added). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series Parent Position and Series Num fields ==<br />
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"Series Num" can have numbering that are not integers (e.g., 2.1, 2.2, etc.), but apparently the "Series Parent Position" field when editing series can only be integers. Can we change the field to allow non-integer numbering? This would allow subseries to be placed in the correct location with a larger series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:40, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This functionality was requested in {{FR|1403}}, "Allow decimal numbers as Series Parent Position values". Unfortunately, it is much harder to implement than it looks. The way the "Series Number" field works for title records is rather involved; back when I implemented it, it took me weeks to get everything updated and debugged. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds good. I'm glad it's on the list. Thanks for all your work on the backend of things. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic information for Strange Tales ==<br />
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For the UK magazine Strange Tales edited by Walter Gillings I believe that the noted second printing of the first issue is just a variant cover. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?618191<br />
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In George Locke's Spectrum of Fantasy, volume 1, page 3 he states as such. His examination of the two copies he had was that they were identical with the exception of two different covers. I would find it hard to believe that an attempt of a new publication which was dodging the fact it was a magazine would go into two printings, as there were still paper shortages after the War. The price on both covers is the same, one shilling net on one cover 1/- on the other. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jwkbooks|Jwkbooks]] ([[User talk:Jwkbooks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jwkbooks|contribs]]) .</small> 17:12, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Long time for approval? ==<br />
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Is it unusual if my relatively minor edits take two weeks or more to be approved? Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 22:38, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Typically, it wouldn't take that long, but unfortunately, the "New Submissions" queue has been very long recently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:51, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 00:17, 28 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Missing Clone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5832571; What happened to the clone? It's not there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The submission failed because one of the titles in the cloned publication, 2439970 (Intelligence and Luck), is no longer present. It appears that the title was merged in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816680 this edit] which was submitted on November 21st and approved on December 12. I'm guessing that your clone submission was submitted within that time frame. When the merge was done, the other title record was the one that was kept, and 2439970 was deleted. You should be able to re-clone the container title and pick up the current contents including the merged title of that story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:11, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art weirdness ==<br />
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So browsing (as you do). I came across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1379001 this] cover art entry which seems, to my eye at least, an identical piece to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139158 this one]. Any comments ?--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:40, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:To my eye, these look identical. We would have to research the Maria Carella credit for the French ones. Likely Herve put on one and then carried that over into the other by cloning. The Tim Jacobus credit on the ''Doomsday Book'' covers seems clear (from copyright statement on hardcover's jacket flap). My first guess would be a misinterpretation of some sort of general artist credit on ''Le grand livre'' as referring to the cover instead of to interior artwork. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:42, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) These are definitely based on the same cover art. The question then is whether the cover artist was really credited as "Maria Carella" in this J'ai Lu edition or whether it's a data entry error in our database. Checking Google, I see that J'ai Lu has used at least two other covers -- https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjbJRjGrF4EtBXromnm4E-mn-bwNjmriUiD9y_zEqCWxOsPAdQkITLtQ-6VzOAKbgq3b4&usqp=CAU and m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61mHPaZVmdL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg -- and it's possible that one of them was done by Maria Carella. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:49, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I did more research and found some pictures. In the original Bantam edition, the copyright page has "Book design by Maria Carella" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_37245aad-355d-4ecf-981b-2939ddd31921_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]) and the rear flap says "Cover illustration &copy; 1992 by Tim Jacobus" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_7be69af1-7c70-4430-86da-f306440e8119_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]). So I think the book design credit got conflated with cover artistry, either by J'ai Lu or someone else (if Herve did not have the books, his source might have been NooSFere, which credits the cover to Carella). Unless anyone disagrees, I will change the credit on the French ones and document the discrepancy with French secondary sources and probable source of the confusion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Nice! I also wonder if {{A|Maria Carella}} was the cover artist or the cover designer for the first (1988) edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354512 Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology]. Our source is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t203.htm#A12107 the Locus Index], which simply says "cover by Maria Carella". <del>For what it's worth, the Internet Archive has the [https://archive.org/details/visionsofwonders0000unse/page/n5/mode/2up 1996 edition, which has a different cover, on file] and its copyright page says "Design by Lynn Newark"</del> -- '''never mind, it turns out that "Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1988) and "Visions of Wonder: the Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1996) are completely different'''. Even if we keep Maria Carella as the cover artist, we will want to change her working language from French to English. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:41, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=maria+carella; She's mentioned in 16 notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I made these adjustments: Maria Carella language to English. ''Le grand livre'' cover credit to Jacobus (+ variant to ''Doomsday Book'' cover). Added note to French cover and to the first of the French pubs about secondary sources crediting Carella but her being credited as book designer (and Jacobus as cover illustrator) in original Bantam edition. Added note to Bantam hc about the book design credit. I found some pictures of portions of the interior of that anthology, but they did not include the copyright or credits pages, so I couldn't conclude anything about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:28, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Data entered exactly as on books [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/74/Grand_livre.jpg 1994 on top, 1995 below, "illustration" having the same meaning in both langages, "de" meaning "by"].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] ([[User talk:Hauck|talk]]) 05:26, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Well, that is quite clear, too, then. Then I guess we should have a "Maria Carella (in error)" as an alternate name then, with the above explanation, and the cover art with that credit as the variant. And no direct credit to Jacobus in the J'ai Lu editions. Does that sound correct to everyone? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:28, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::Sounds good to me. I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10617 Bantam 1st ed hc] and have checked it against the above discussion and concur. The book also states "Jacket design by Jamie S. Warren Youll" on rear flap which reinforces the statement that Maria Carella was only involved in the book design, not the cover. I have PVd the pub record and submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847617 this edit] to add extra info and change the source of all the data to the actual book. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:34, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::::Happy New Year, everyone. I have made the further adjustments I proposed above, and I accepted the changes to the Bantam edition. Please correct -- or let me know about -- anything that still is not as it should be. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:08, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New translations of Ursula K. Le Guin's Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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A few days ago I posted 2 records for a 1981 and a 2002 edition of ''Pimeduse ahem käsi''. the Estonian translation of ''The Left Hand of Darkness'', and 2 images for their respective book covers. I realize it's the holiday season and that there's a backlog... I have a Bulgarian translation as well and I'd like to upload that, though I worry that I'm not doing it right. Also if there are any editors or moderators here with a particular interest in Le Guin I'd like to make your acquaintance. Cheers, [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 14:45, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Hello and a happy new year, Evertype! I do think that I do fall into the category, as Le Guin is in the top three of my favourite authors. I have to admit that most of the copies I own contain German translations (and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar Jens]' German collection seems to be even more complete, but nowadays he isn't so often around). I know there are lots of translations of her work missing (with Dutch, French & German seemingly well-covered). If you have any questions that you think I might be able to help in, just ping me on my talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:16, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== External ID: PPN ==<br />
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It seems that the Dutch National Library has changed its www address. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs Here] it is "picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/" but doesn't work any more. The new one seems to be "picarta.oclc.org/psi/xslt/DB=3.9". Please have a look on that. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 13:35, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: The "PPN" template has been updated as well. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:48, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Charles Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873365; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873368; Can I get these 2 edits approved? I was going to add the other book by the author mentioned in the F&SF essay but online photo says Charles Williams on title page; checking further revealed that it's the same for Rolling Pin. There's already a famous novelist of that name and an artist on ISFDB so what do you think this guy should be known as, maybe (I)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pages of deceased users ==<br />
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Would it be helpful or useful to block the user pages and talk pages of deceased users, so no edits or submissions can be made any more? Ahasuerus told me these pages viewed as something like memorials, so they should be left untouched. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:40, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Generally, we put the [[:Template:Deceased user|Deceased user]] template at the top of their pages so people know not to post comments or questions there. So far, I haven't seen a huge problem with simply leaving them as they are. If problems do occur, we can always lock the pages so only admins can edit them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:49, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Locking the Talk pages will cause confusion to newer editors who are directed to post on the PV's pages and if the first few they hit are ones of the ones we had lost - asking them to post there while they cannot will either make them never post anywhere or just get frustrated. Plus the pages that we want to preserve are the User pages, not the Talk pages. I'd argue that User pages should be locked for Admin and the user they belong to at all times but that will make life harder and we do not have too many issues so I never raised that up as a proposal. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I was only suggesting locking the pages if we ran into problems where someone was editing them maliciously and we needed a way to stop it. Pages can be locked from editing for a brief period of time, too, which is generally the only kind of locking that's needed. Only in extreme cases would a page need to be locked for more than a week or so. I do like the idea of locking the user page of deceased editors, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: We are in agreement -- I was just mentioning that locking the Talk pages is going to cause other possible issues downstream (unlike User pages which can be safely locked without side effects). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:07, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Add link at the bottom of "Author Merge Update" ==<br />
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After two or more authors are merged, can we please add a link to the resulting record on the confirmation page (post approval). Now you need to either keep a record open or look for it again once the merge completes. (the script in question is cgi-bin/mod/aa_merge.cgi). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:29, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: {{FR|1591}} has been created and implemented. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Now, that's quick fix - less than an hour between reporting and getting it live on the server ;) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Safari ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?648417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884004; PV used wrong cover so I uploaded right one from recent archived copy but they also added wrong uploaded wraparound image in the notes. Can someone approve my edit and then move the note over to the other edition? The record number doesn't make a difference to where the image points, I assume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: The note has been moved to the correct publication. Is the interior art the same for both publications? If so, merge the two tile records. If not, we need a note on each and a do not merge warning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:33, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shattered Lens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892580; After checking further it turns out the correct title I fixed "Tears" to was used for the story's reprint in a magazine a few years later. After approval will the titles merge on their own or will it need to be done manually? If manual, can someone approve this so I can merge before I forget? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Approved. You need to merge them. Submit and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:13, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::All done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:19, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX; It won't make much difference to my PV because I only have about 50 but I can foresee trouble with others if he starts adding Roman where they don't belong. This is a common problem with other editors, too, where they add Roman even though the numbering goes straight from Roman to non-Roman. A LOT of DAW Books, for example, have unnecessary numbers entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:From the help, bullet point 2 under [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Pages]:<br />
:* "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers for introductory material, followed by Arabic numerals for the main text of the book, enter both sets of numbers. For example, a book with a page count field of "viii+320" has "viii" as the highest numbered page with a Roman numeral. (Note that there are no spaces in the page count.) Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored. Note that you should include the enumeration of the pages in Roman numerals even if there is no material that requires a separate content record (such as an introduction or preface) in those pages. This is in contrast with the situation with unnumbered pages prior to page 1; see the following bullet point for what to do in that case."<br />
:[https://www.ebay.com/itm/296164887458 This ebay.com listing] shows Roman numerals as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897763 this submission] suggests. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::If I understand that correctly then I disagree and you can find many instances on the boards here where mods tell editors to enter Roman only if the book doesn't continue the numbering straight into the Arabic. That's the way I enter Roman (except possibly for my early edits where I wasn't sure what I was doing) and so do many others. This has led to a lot of confusion. For example, this record's notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629077, mention this situation and only Arabic were entered while the notes here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979406, are similar but both Roman and Arabic were entered. I'm sure there are countless other examples. So nobody seems sure what the right way to do it is but if one has really been decided on then that would entail fixing thousands and thousands of records where they were entered the other way. That would be a huge task. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::For my own understanding's sake: The situation being discussed here is a contiguous set of pages, ending on Arabic-numeral'ed '''''366''''', but where the first fourteen pages are Roman-numeral'ed '''''i - xiv''''' and the remaining three hundred fifty-two are Arabic-numeral'ed '''''15 - 366'''''? If that is the case, I don't think the help covers this scenario. While the second bullet does seem to call for entering the highest Roman numeral plus the highest Arabic numeral, the third bullet also talks about counting backwards from the first "numbered page to see which is page 1". That would technically mean page i is also page 1, and there is no introductory material before page 1. The second bullet seems to assume the numbering of the pages for introductory material does not overlap the numbering of the pages for the main text, which is not the case here. Recording xiv+366 would record the numbering accurately but would completely distort the page count, which is that the Pages field is all about. I would record this as Pages = 366 with a note that the main text starts on p. 15 and the pages prior to that are numbered i - xiv, just as I would record it with Pages = 366 and a note that the text starts on numbered p. 15 if there were no numbered pages before it with any relevant content. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:32, 22 February 2024 (EST)</div>
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